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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the nonprofits.

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<v Speaker 2>So we actually have some good secular news on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay, So Rob, please.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us what is going on in Congressional Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, did you know there is a Congressional Free Thought

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<v Speaker 3>Caucus within the House of Representatives Because I didn't good

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<v Speaker 3>to learn. Still they the CFC, have added two new

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<v Speaker 3>members this month. They are the representatives Judy Chu and

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<v Speaker 3>Delia Ramirez. They are both Democrats. The CFC is a

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<v Speaker 3>group of representatives that support, as they say, quote, reason

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<v Speaker 3>based policy. They advocate for data driven decisions, and they

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<v Speaker 3>oppose much the much larger Congressional Prayer Caucus, which is

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<v Speaker 3>comprised of both Republicans and Democrats. The Free Thought Caucus

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<v Speaker 3>has twenty eight members and is made of only Democrats. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 3>the membership has only gone up since they were founded

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty eighteen. Also fun side fact, they staunchly opposed

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<v Speaker 3>the new Justice Kevin brannag No, I'll look it back up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's okay, I'll look it back up. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>that's what they're for. They're there for reason based policy.

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<v Speaker 3>They are climate change. They understand that that's happening. They

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<v Speaker 3>or they support separation of church and state.

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<v Speaker 2>So we want to point out that this article is

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<v Speaker 2>from The Friendly Atheist by him and Meta, posted on

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<v Speaker 2>May twelve five.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, hemmt. That contributes a lot to the things

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<v Speaker 1>that we talk about on this show. So so Rob, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>of course.

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<v Speaker 2>So are there any members that are actually like openly atheists?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they kind of like operating under like the like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a freethinker umbrella over here?

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<v Speaker 3>So I actually try so, I did actually try to

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<v Speaker 3>look that up, but I didn't find any. However, most

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<v Speaker 3>of the verbiage that I find whenever I look up

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<v Speaker 3>this caucus is most of them are religious, which seems

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<v Speaker 3>to imply that some of them are the atheists, but

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot specifically find out who. They probably don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be known or at least have that super public,

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<v Speaker 3>but it seems to be that there are least some atheists. However,

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<v Speaker 3>most of them are religious.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's one of those things. They've become out of

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<v Speaker 2>atheists in your government. It's pretty much like political suicide. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the current climate.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you, for example, is a Unitarian universalist, which is

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<v Speaker 3>about as non religious religious as you can get generally,

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<v Speaker 3>as you can get.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love those those places where they're just all

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<v Speaker 4>about like, hey, be nice and why because I don't universals.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been to Interior Universalist service. I was too early

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<v Speaker 1>on a Sunday for me, so and I'm like, say,

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<v Speaker 1>I like sleep. But it was a very positive.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, kind of like groovy message. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Poopoo on it, Tracy, I don't. I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have something cool to say to you. I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>the very so anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So, uh that means that, do you think, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those of us that belong to like circular organizations, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>ship push more openly for candidates to join, even if

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<v Speaker 2>the risks blow back and some I know that I

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<v Speaker 2>said that, you know, uh, being you know, identify yourself

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<v Speaker 2>as an atheist is political suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe would it be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Good thing for people to be more out about their atheism?

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<v Speaker 4>Certain all, most certainly I think we should be pushing

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<v Speaker 4>for more membership to the Free Thought Caucus or to

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<v Speaker 4>the is that what they call is that what it's called? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>freethought Caucus. I think that I think that we should

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<v Speaker 4>push for more membership there, and I don't think necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>that I push. Like, I'm kind of in a difficult

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<v Speaker 4>position here because it's ultimately a personal decision whether or

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<v Speaker 4>not to identify oneself as as an atheist. Same thing

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<v Speaker 4>with identified. Well, if you are a Christian, it is

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<v Speaker 4>not your personal decision. You must identify yourself as a

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<v Speaker 4>Christian if you at least if you're going to be

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<v Speaker 4>in line with your Bible. But so it's one of

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<v Speaker 4>those things. If they want to identify themselves that way,

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<v Speaker 4>that is their personal choice. I'm more interested in this

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<v Speaker 4>freethought caucus. I'm glad that we have theistic members it's

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<v Speaker 4>primarily religious, because that is that that's going to see.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Hemmett Meta mentions in the Friendly Atheist article here

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<v Speaker 4>that it's not an atheist club. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>If it turned into even something reminiscent of an atheist club,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that would be a problem which would discourage

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<v Speaker 4>further membership. Yeah, that's my whole thing there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was I was gonna say that. Well, first

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<v Speaker 3>of all, by the way, I remember I looked it

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<v Speaker 3>up and remembered it was Brett Kavanaugh. They opposed Brett

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<v Speaker 3>Kavanaugh as.

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<v Speaker 4>All reasonable people should.

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<v Speaker 5>So tactically, yes, tactically I agree with you, by the way, Tracy,

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<v Speaker 5>and that if the Free Thought Caucus was comprised entirely

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<v Speaker 5>of atheists, then it would be less effective.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is simply because there are just more religious

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<v Speaker 3>people than atheist people or non religious people or non

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<v Speaker 3>theists a theists, perhaps there are just more of them.

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<v Speaker 3>So what that means is that by having religious people

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<v Speaker 3>within the Free Thought Caucus, it is easier to make

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<v Speaker 3>compromises and still like, like it looks better, right, It's

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<v Speaker 3>an optics thing when you say I am for the

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<v Speaker 3>separation of church and state, also I am religious, Like

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<v Speaker 3>it looks better, It's going to be a much harder

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<v Speaker 3>sell if it is the Atheist Club. As a person

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<v Speaker 3>who was never a theist, which seems to be quite rare,

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<v Speaker 3>I would prefer if it was purely atheists. However, I gotta,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, take my wings or I can and understand

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<v Speaker 3>the tactics.

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<v Speaker 2>Like listen, man, we're we're holding on by the skin

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<v Speaker 2>of red teeth right now, like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just gotta just gotta start a line. And because because.

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<v Speaker 2>The good on my non existent type of thing to

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<v Speaker 2>where someone can say like, oh, I'm you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>flavor of a religion, but internally they are you know, atheists,

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<v Speaker 2>but they attend church, so you know, like tennically you

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<v Speaker 2>can be like an atheist Catholic, you know, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>some deniability. They're just in just in, do I think,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do agree with you that we should have

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<v Speaker 2>more representation because uh Gail Jordan, who is the executive

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<v Speaker 2>director of Republicans uh Recovery now Republicans for Religion Recovering

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<v Speaker 2>from Religion ran for Safe Seed in Tennessee as an

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<v Speaker 2>open atheist in Tennessee, which is so red and she's

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<v Speaker 2>reported on getting positive feedback from the community.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't win, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting a lot of positive feedback as being an open

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<v Speaker 2>I think to a certain degree, because I yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>we have whole numbers that say, like, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you know an atheist running, I will not vote for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you normalize it more and you start listening

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<v Speaker 2>to people talk about actual policy versus believe you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that could shift a gear like Tracy, how was you're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feeling on that.

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<v Speaker 4>I I agree that being open would uh about it,

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<v Speaker 4>and speaking openly about atheism amongst political candidates would help

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<v Speaker 4>to normalize it and and maybe cut down on a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the uh, you know, the knee jerk reactions

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<v Speaker 4>of oh atheists, the people who kick puppies and burn cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so Tuesday, they don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Yuck my yum. But I don't think that necessarily, just

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<v Speaker 4>having previously uh, I think that that would be the

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<v Speaker 4>domain of new candidates, not incumbents, to necessarily start announcing

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<v Speaker 4>their atheism left right and center.

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<v Speaker 1>But but but.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's a we could we could get to

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<v Speaker 4>that point where incumbents could be doing that. However, I

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<v Speaker 4>think it would have to start, like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 4>with a lot of people doing it and losing, and

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<v Speaker 4>then gradually we work our way up. It's just one

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<v Speaker 4>of those things. What's up, Rob, I saw you points

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, I agree, you're playing tactics again. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>thing is that it's politics, it's it's games, and therefore

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<v Speaker 3>it is tactics. You said earlier that it is there.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, the Christians must declare their Christianity, whereas atheists

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<v Speaker 3>aren't necessarily obligated to. I must agree, But man, I

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<v Speaker 3>really wish I could make an argument that being like

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<v Speaker 3>it is, it is dire. There is now is the

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<v Speaker 3>time where more and more people are required to openly

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<v Speaker 3>call themselves an atheist, in this time where more and

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<v Speaker 3>more people are being religiously prosecuted. So if there was

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<v Speaker 3>ever a time, it's now, and tactically I do agree

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<v Speaker 3>with you that we should get it would be really

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<v Speaker 3>nice if there were more people, new people. It would

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<v Speaker 3>incumbents were to do it, then they would probably their

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<v Speaker 3>constituents would feel betrayed. That is not a thing I

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<v Speaker 3>thought about. But that's an interesting point.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just one of those things, man, but something I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to bring attention to.

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<v Speaker 3>The guy.

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<v Speaker 4>The representative who announced the Congressional Free Thought Caucus in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen was Representative Jared Huffman from California and is

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<v Speaker 4>currently the only openly humanist member of Congress. Right here

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<v Speaker 4>by him at META. I think that that is the

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<v Speaker 4>more important factor, because I think it's important that we

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<v Speaker 4>be humanists first and atheists maybe fifth. Because it's irrelevant

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<v Speaker 4>of what relevance is my non acceptance of other people's claims.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not terribly relevant the moral system that we aspired.

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<v Speaker 4>That that at least I think you guys as well

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<v Speaker 4>subscribe to being represented in Congress. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 4>good thing. I think that's a fantastic thing that he's

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<v Speaker 4>been there at least a couple terms now, being openly humanist,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a fantastic uh sign sign maybe I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>indicating Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's hard for me to remember that being an

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<v Speaker 3>atheist does not it does not mutually include a moral system.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, however, right, but like I fail to find

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<v Speaker 5>atheists who are not humanists.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they exist, and they would be a wonder right,

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<v Speaker 3>but like they don't necessarily go hand to hand. So

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, Yeah, definitely human is in the game of

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<v Speaker 3>real life, being a humanist is more important than being

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<v Speaker 3>an atheist. I personally just forget that those are separate

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<v Speaker 3>things different because they just that's what happens people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Gamer gay was a whole thing of eight people.

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<v Speaker 1>That were atheists and missogynist butheads. So that was the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So because I was online during my Deconstruction at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was not a kind place to woman, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because but that's the thing about like people

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<v Speaker 3>So I want to tell you a cool stat if

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<v Speaker 3>I can, sure, Yeah, twenty. So the House of Representative

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<v Speaker 3>is two hundred and fifteen seats, and with twenty eight

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<v Speaker 3>of them being people from the Free Thought Caucus, that

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<v Speaker 3>means that this is thirteen percent. We have thirteen percent

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<v Speaker 3>of people who are openly for separation of church and state.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we behind the games. We're talking a lot

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, yeah, that's a fun.

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<v Speaker 4>While you were saying that, I knew what you were

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<v Speaker 4>just ignore that. You're gonna see this video, and you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna see me as soon as you start talking. Look

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I was doing, is by the way

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<v Speaker 2>that is a nonprofit's way. We are professionals of all time,

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<v Speaker 4>It's something like you said, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I'm actually gonna do my job now. So we have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the saying about like being non religious as

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<v Speaker 2>a dirty word, so on that sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>perspective care candidates kind of talk about, like we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about humanist before, like what kind of wording should

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<v Speaker 2>they use versus like religious, you know, time about the

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<v Speaker 1>What if you were going to run for.

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<v Speaker 2>Office, I'll start with you, Rob, If you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>run for office as a secular person, what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wording would you say to like, you know, people not

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<v Speaker 2>to look you as an atheist, but as a humanist

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<v Speaker 2>and actually care about the moral good and the law.

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<v Speaker 3>I genuinely think that's an interesting question, and the first

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<v Speaker 3>I think a big version A big part of it

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<v Speaker 3>is not appealing to the religious speech, you know, not

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<v Speaker 3>having to end everything with God bless America. Like what

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<v Speaker 3>would happen is not the obviousness or the pushing of

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<v Speaker 3>in crowd because we're all Christian. It would just it

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<v Speaker 3>would not to be a pushing of anything obviously necessarily atheistic.

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<v Speaker 3>It would just be like Hi, I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to run, but like Hi, I'm rob I'm for

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<v Speaker 3>people's rights. We should take care of people and make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that when those people are taken care of that we,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, help victims. And that includes both directions

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<v Speaker 3>like depending if like see this why I'm not a politician.

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<v Speaker 3>But the idea is that I'm not appealing to a

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<v Speaker 3>religious background. I'm not saying I need to be tough

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<v Speaker 3>on crime as a dog whistle or talk about how

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<v Speaker 3>like we need to have traditional family Christian values like

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<v Speaker 3>these are loaded terms as opposed to I could I

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<v Speaker 3>could say something like, we should respect the declaration of

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<v Speaker 3>union of two people who marry because it is not necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>I would not then say this not necessarily a religious thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is the contract that two people enter into

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<v Speaker 3>an excellent and wonderful thing, and we should respect both

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<v Speaker 3>of their wishes to each other. There's nothing religious about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Fair, So could you see the same question I would

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<v Speaker 4>call attention, not necessarily because, as I've said, I think

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in an atheist community right now. But we don't

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<v Speaker 4>sit around backstage and talk about how how we don't

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<v Speaker 4>like gods or whatever like that. We don't talk about

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<v Speaker 4>atheism backstage. We talk about the things that matter to us,

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<v Speaker 4>which are individual autonomy and rights. Which these would be

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<v Speaker 4>the things that I would I would speak to. I

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<v Speaker 4>would speak to guaranteeing the freedoms for Americans I and

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<v Speaker 4>also for those who are not Americans just visiting. I

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<v Speaker 4>would point out that humanism applies to all people, regardless

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<v Speaker 4>of any preconceived notions or creed that they've aligned with.

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<v Speaker 4>Humanism applies to you whether you're a Christian, whether you're

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<v Speaker 4>a Satanist, whether you're a Buddhist. It doesn't matter. I

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<v Speaker 4>care about you to the same extent I care about

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<v Speaker 4>everyone else, and I will always look out for your

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<v Speaker 4>And that would be how I go about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's uh. It is a frighteningly more compassionate line

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<v Speaker 3>of thought when one's respect of others humanity comes from

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<v Speaker 3>oneself rather than one's religiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>When you make that decision for yourself rather than having

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<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you say, Helen, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be like, I'm not going to say listen, motherfuckers,

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, Like I feel like I would try to talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more eloquently than oh, I mean not,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I would try.

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<v Speaker 2>To appeal to people's emotions and moral centers rather than believe.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, as you know, we keep discussing that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really care what you believe, and I care more

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<v Speaker 2>about how you treat one another, because regardless if you're

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<v Speaker 2>an atheist or a Christian, as long as you're not

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<v Speaker 2>a butthead, I'm not going to treat you like you're

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that you know, the basic lose like

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<v Speaker 1>don't be a dick.

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<v Speaker 2>So like if we all kind of in that same

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<v Speaker 2>you know, area of being kind and you know, good

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<v Speaker 2>to one another, that should be first, and then policy

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<v Speaker 2>comes later. You know what matters to us as a whole,

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<v Speaker 2>which is basically like you know, making sure there's food

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<v Speaker 2>on the table. You know, we can enjoy life, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you decide to go to church grade or

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't, that's okay too, Like where this is

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<v Speaker 2>not you know, at the end of the day, are

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<v Speaker 2>you basically needs to be met? You know, are you

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<v Speaker 2>is everybody equal under the law, and are we doing

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<v Speaker 2>the best to push society forward rather than you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going back and saying like this group of people is

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<v Speaker 2>better than another group of people. You know, at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, belief is just you know, your

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<v Speaker 2>perspective of the world. In a philosophy, it says nothing

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<v Speaker 2>about who you are as a human being, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have to you know, that would be more my messaging.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how what what do we owe to each other?

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<v Speaker 2>And how that translates into wider society and government.

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<v Speaker 3>Amen, there's a there's a there's a cool bit uh

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<v Speaker 3>in this article that I actually really wanted to point

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<v Speaker 3>out because I thought how they word it is interesting

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<v Speaker 3>because it says this group is this is just a

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<v Speaker 3>group of lawmakers dedicated to promoting reason based public polo

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<v Speaker 3>policy blah blah blah, blah blah blah. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>author says, there's really no reason anyone should be against this,

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<v Speaker 3>and they I talicize anyone, And I think that's one

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with them, but that's not what I would

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<v Speaker 3>have done, And not that the article is wrong. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's really interesting because again, remember this is a

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<v Speaker 3>group of lawmakers dedicated to promoting reason based policy. There

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<v Speaker 3>is really no reason why anyone should be against this.

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<v Speaker 3>I talicize the reason because when it speaks back to

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<v Speaker 3>the sentence, but we're talking about thoughts, so so when

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<v Speaker 3>people have reasons, they have reasoned. And I want people

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<v Speaker 3>to be more thoughtful of their own belief structures. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's not to me, it's not the the anyone ness

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<v Speaker 3>of this, it's we should all be aware of what's happening,

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<v Speaker 3>and we should all get on board with thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>our own world.

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<v Speaker 4>Amen. Yeah, this is a fantastic palette cleanser, and I

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<v Speaker 4>just hope that the Caucus continues to add members here out.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, after you know, a couple other articles this

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<v Speaker 2>week that we're like, oh, no, Like, it's good to

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<v Speaker 2>see that, you know, wonderful people are singing up for

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<v Speaker 2>humanism and not all the bad things, so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, great, it's awesome. Keep it up. Anyway, if you

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