Speaker 1: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen and this is a podcast all about
Speaker 2: the weird and wonderful world of the dark comedy anthology
Speaker 2: series Inside number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, another week another Inside hum Beernine, How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay, well not the best actually have been
Speaker 1: ill for about a week, but hoping to be over
Speaker 1: it soon. Yeah, just means I'm going to be.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, bless you.
Speaker 1: We're we'll have to edit a lot of those out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: apologies if we do.
Speaker 2: Here Anie, Yeah, I'm off on holiday this week. I've
Speaker 2: been dreading catching something. Yes see, my parents and the
Speaker 2: little nieces were there full of cold, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: why didn't you tell me?
Speaker 1: Dear?
Speaker 2: But so good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're looking forward to going away?
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I can't wait very excited and last day
Speaker 2: at worked for you? Is it? No?
Speaker 1: Yes, I've got one week to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah I thought it thought it was one week. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exciting times, exciting and terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Change, Yeah, that fun. I wonder if you spotted our
Speaker 1: hair from last.
Speaker 2: Week it was twelve days of Christine.
Speaker 1: Wonder if me is going to be grateful? Well, we'll
Speaker 1: find out.
Speaker 2: It's unlike you. We've still got like twelve days of
Speaker 2: Christine and ever yeah, grateful. No, I'm in treated to
Speaker 2: seeing the edit how well that turned out?
Speaker 1: Yes, but yeah, that was that spot. Another one this
Speaker 1: week if you can m m that we want hidden somewhere.
Speaker 2: We are back this week with episode four of series five, Misdirection. Indeed,
Speaker 2: in the Insane Number nine Wiki, we have world famous
Speaker 2: magician Neville Griffin is extremely protective of his secrets, but
Speaker 2: student journalist Gabriel is determined to get his interview. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: Griffin actually believes that stealing a magic trick is possibly
Speaker 2: worse than murder. How could he know that? Exactly? Another
Speaker 2: one that I think is quite a favorite of people's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand that.
Speaker 2: I think it's quite one of the more famous ones.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts.
Speaker 1: It sums up their em doesn't it. The whole title mister,
Speaker 1: I think they said, actually that misdirection could have been
Speaker 1: the title of Pehole show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would work very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do quite like it.
Speaker 2: It does remind me very much of those sort of
Speaker 2: like Jonathan Creaky type, maybe even Hustle. Maybe I don't remember,
Speaker 2: like having like little flashbacks to stuff that happened.
Speaker 1: And yeah I get that. Yeah, I was thinking Sherlock
Speaker 1: was getting very shirlocky vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 1: There was another episode of Inside Umber nine that I
Speaker 1: felt like this was a very close twin too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wondered if we had the same thought at all.
Speaker 2: I was wondering if we had the same one.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking, Sphinx?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all centered around a thing and sort of
Speaker 2: an apprentice to the thing exactly talking you through it
Speaker 2: and learning it.
Speaker 1: Student and the teacher. Yeah, the teacher is an asshole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the student has this sort of ulterior motive
Speaker 1: to get revenge or something. Yes, yeah, it's very similar
Speaker 1: when you look at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at this time, reskets the turner's being the
Speaker 2: asshole exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt like his voice was similar to another character,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't think who.
Speaker 2: I know, I know what you mean. Yeah, I can't
Speaker 2: think who either.
Speaker 1: But it might just be a kind of voice he
Speaker 1: uses quite a lot. I don't know if it just
Speaker 1: run out of voices. Like it's quite a Steve light episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is a shame. Yes, it's fun while he's there.
Speaker 1: I've not seen in a long time, so I was
Speaker 1: quite excited to watch it again. And it started with
Speaker 1: Steve as the magician. I was like, but I remember
Speaker 1: it being race, Like, what's okay? Right, Yeah, we've got
Speaker 1: rid of Steve. That makes more sense Willie Wonder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see that on the cruise ships.
Speaker 1: I mean, when that's the name you're given, you've only
Speaker 1: got quite limited career options, haven't you.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah that's what he was born as.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the people crystal chandeliers that end up working
Speaker 2: as strippers. It's like, what did you expect?
Speaker 1: I love his Irish accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a beau. I was reading up on
Speaker 2: people's opinions and someone had comment and read it very
Speaker 2: specific pet Peeve as an irishman. I hate bad Irish accents,
Speaker 2: and I hate even more the drunken irishman can be
Speaker 2: controlled with a bottle of whiskey stereotype. You couldn't do
Speaker 2: that with any other race. Cheap shot shots. I see
Speaker 2: we are okay. Yeah, it's just a joke. So the
Speaker 2: chair raising experience, it's a really cool intro to the episode, Like,
Speaker 2: you don't know, is this going to be quite a scary,
Speaker 2: horrory type episode, Like it opens quite I don't know.
Speaker 1: Moodily and quite sinister. The soundtrack that's playing on the phone,
Speaker 1: it's kind of reminds me of the Exorcist music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently it was inspired by tubular bells. He's had
Speaker 2: it kicking around and finally found an excuse to use it.
Speaker 1: They said, yeah, it's the perfect thing, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very I know, it's quite a weird, quite a weird trick.
Speaker 2: It is weird, Like, yes, it's impossible to work out
Speaker 2: how it was done, but it isn't all that impressive,
Speaker 2: Like it's impressive, but it's all over and done within
Speaker 2: a few seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just weird. Like you know, him with the
Speaker 1: big sheet over his head. If you went to see
Speaker 1: a magician and you watch that, you'd be a bit like,
Speaker 1: why why's he got sheet over his head? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I've seen the interviews with him where they've said
Speaker 2: that all the tricks in the episode are real and
Speaker 2: can be done blah blah blah, except this one, which
Speaker 2: was totally made up. But I want to know, like,
Speaker 2: in universe, what does the sheet achieve? Why can't we
Speaker 2: see his face while he's doing it?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's meant to be. You couldn't possibly
Speaker 1: work out how it's done, so they just put in
Speaker 1: something to to sort of add to the believability that
Speaker 1: it could be some sort of trick. You just you
Speaker 1: just don't know how it works. But it doesn't really
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 2: But I was reading obviously it was just done with
Speaker 2: the crane, yes, really, and they just painted that out afterwards.
Speaker 2: But because he was technically working at height, the seat
Speaker 2: had to be fitted with a safety belt like a
Speaker 2: seat belt, but he had to fumble and put on
Speaker 2: under the sheet, and that's why he's sort of faffing
Speaker 2: about for a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering if that's why they added in the
Speaker 1: tapping the feet in time to do that. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: could have just cut away, but the director wanted to
Speaker 1: keep it fixed on him in real time, so that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sort of looks like a real trick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a trick for TV where they cut away
Speaker 2: and then something has happened exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously we're setting this lock up, which is
Speaker 1: like Neville's magic store room basically he keeps all his paraphernalia.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course we've not set where we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite a cool, cool set.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Reesa' is saying how he wants to live there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was one of his favorite sets he's ever worked done,
Speaker 2: And a lot of the props are apparently Reese's from
Speaker 2: his own collection of magic stuff, like in the same
Speaker 2: way that Rily the Sphinx with very much Steve's passion
Speaker 2: project for being a crossword lover, this is very much Reese's.
Speaker 2: Like he's a big fan of magic and does a
Speaker 2: lot of magic. Apparently has a room in his attic
Speaker 2: that's behind a bookcase full of magic equipment. But yeah, Neville,
Speaker 2: which is Reese's character, very much enjoys the trick and
Speaker 2: wants to buy it. Yes, Why also is will he
Speaker 2: there because he's not selling this trick or like, no
Speaker 2: is it just showing off.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they must have met and then he's like
Speaker 1: enticed him back to his place with alcohol, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like tried to get in his good books sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I suppose he's just being nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, But yeah, more fool him. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Do we reckon when Neville produces the bottle of whiskey?
Speaker 2: Is his plan at that point just to get him
Speaker 2: drunk or do you reckon he's planning on killing him
Speaker 2: right from that point.
Speaker 1: It does seem like a spur of the moment thing
Speaker 1: when he decides to hit him. Yeah, it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: premeditated to me, So yeah.
Speaker 2: I reckon he's probably just trying to try and get
Speaker 2: him drunk and then read his notebook.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess he sees the sheet over his head and
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, well I could you know? This will
Speaker 2: be quite.
Speaker 1: Easy, Yeah, because I think he has to get rid
Speaker 1: of him, because otherwise then if he starts doing the trick,
Speaker 1: he'll know where he got it from and he'll take
Speaker 1: him to court.
Speaker 2: So yeah, although I guess, well, he's meant to be
Speaker 2: quite a bit older than Steve is, like maybe he's
Speaker 2: hoping that he'll just die at some point and he'll
Speaker 2: be able to take the trick.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see after he dies.
Speaker 2: Because he's only performed it for like little kids and stuff.
Speaker 2: Maybe he can just claim it's his now or something
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 1: But anyhow he does kill him. Hmm, we get a
Speaker 1: great comedy killing scene of trying to kill him with
Speaker 1: all this trick stuff that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: One thing after another, Like you've got the boat that
Speaker 2: doesn't work, you've got the guillotine that starts not to work.
Speaker 2: Apparently they cut out that he was going to attack
Speaker 2: him with a sword that turned into flowers. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: but have to chop it for time not intended. I
Speaker 2: did wonder if, because I couldn't remember exactly how it worked,
Speaker 2: whether the guillotine was how it would end, or whether
Speaker 2: that was yet another one that just wouldn't because it's
Speaker 2: obviously not designed to kill him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you've.
Speaker 2: Made your guillotine very badly. In the magic trade, you
Speaker 2: get through a lot of assistance that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't it one of those things where they show
Speaker 1: you first, like on a watermelon or something, it does work,
Speaker 1: and then they flick a switch or something and it
Speaker 1: goes to the fake version pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Penn and Teala do it very well with a
Speaker 2: big circular sore on a bench and like make a
Speaker 2: big point of being like, you know, this is how
Speaker 2: it works. You get under here, and you like there's
Speaker 2: a little cavity under that people can get in, and
Speaker 2: it all works. It's all safe because of this metal
Speaker 2: bar that stops the fingering and he pulls out and
Speaker 2: waves it around, at which point Teller then drops the
Speaker 2: blade on someone and like they cuts right through them
Speaker 2: and got to go everywhere, and like, right, that's their
Speaker 2: play on it is that it goes wrong and kills
Speaker 2: the person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but any who, we have a time.
Speaker 2: Jump, we do how many years later?
Speaker 1: I wonder what number did they choose? Yeah? Nine years
Speaker 1: later he's now successful. He's a successful stage magician. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's married, still in the same lock up. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: my god, he looks ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The outfit it's horrible, isn't it. Yeah? Real bad,
Speaker 2: but recognizable, I suppose. Yeah that's what you need, isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was thinking how the wife Jenny only really exists
Speaker 1: in this to be murdered.
Speaker 2: Yes, she doesn't really have much of a character. No,
Speaker 2: and they don't really have much of a relationship.
Speaker 1: No, they don't.
Speaker 2: I was gonna be one of my main criticisms of
Speaker 2: it that I don't really feel the characters are as
Speaker 2: strong as a normal week.
Speaker 1: No, I don't really believe their relationship.
Speaker 2: No, this is going to be have a point for later,
Speaker 2: But I didn't really know, Like he doesn't really seem
Speaker 2: to care when she's murdered either.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I literally thought that, as he seems so
Speaker 1: sort of blase, He's just a bit like.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, well that happened, right, what do you know?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: But yeah, do we reckon? Would he actually have been
Speaker 2: any success anyway? Like, is it solely this trick that's
Speaker 2: made him famous? Because I was wondering that we only
Speaker 2: really see him do two tricks, the second one being
Speaker 2: the cards that he says is quite straightforward and he
Speaker 2: makes no bones of that, and this one, the Zigzag
Speaker 2: Lady is such a off the shelf trick.
Speaker 1: Yes it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it doesn't require any any of his own thought.
Speaker 1: No, I think it is. I think it's the chair
Speaker 1: raising experience was the gateway that allowed him to make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which she knows so much of the show bus is
Speaker 1: about luck and being in the right place at the
Speaker 1: right time. So yeah, you know, if all he needed
Speaker 1: was one trick to get him sort of talked about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you kind of ride on that, don't you
Speaker 1: ride on your name and everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rest. He doesn't need to come up with
Speaker 2: something as impressive because he's already big enough name as.
Speaker 1: It is, or we just he might have loads of
Speaker 1: other cool stuff but we don't see it.
Speaker 2: True, true, But yeah, she's just so. I guess she
Speaker 2: used to be as assistant the fella and I've got
Speaker 2: married blah blah blah, and she's got bored of it
Speaker 2: and has retrained and is doing something that involves staying
Speaker 2: in a hotel.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was wondering if I'd just missed it what
Speaker 1: it is. But no, they don't say, do they.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: And something that means she'd be very likely to know
Speaker 1: what a mount weasel is. Yes, like she knows, Like
Speaker 1: she says, that's so obviously, like oh, yeah, of course
Speaker 1: I know what that is.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I've got that written down as a note
Speaker 2: that it just felt a bit forced, that whole explanation.
Speaker 1: It was a bit Yeah, it was like, we need
Speaker 1: to get this in for the plot, A bit convenient.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it would have worked better, but
Speaker 2: not as dramatic, just to have been he googled it.
Speaker 2: It would have got the same information more realistically, but
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been it wouldn't have you worked as
Speaker 2: well on screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you can't. You've just got to read it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Hes a bit boring. But when a person says it,
Speaker 2: like unless it's you've called up you know, some mastermind
Speaker 2: person that has these sort of recall things, it just
Speaker 2: feels a bit weird that she would just know that
Speaker 2: off the top of her head. Yeah, I'd heard the term,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't remember what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's so many of those things that have
Speaker 1: you know, little names.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, unless the fact that her job is something
Speaker 1: that like she's a journalist or a you know, she
Speaker 1: works in publishing or something, which they could have just
Speaker 1: you know, let us know, Yeah, and then it would
Speaker 1: have made a bit more sense. Let's assume she works
Speaker 1: in publishing, and yeah, why not it worked past tense?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so the next bit we've got Gabriel.
Speaker 1: Turns up, Yeah to interview him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love how he gets his awards out. Yeah, puts
Speaker 1: some strategically on the table.
Speaker 2: Dead center, what's wad and then the way Gabrielle just
Speaker 2: swipes them all to the side. Yea, I do not
Speaker 2: care about your awards. Yeah, to get into the debate,
Speaker 2: which I found interesting of stagecraft versus effect.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I went up to the Edinburgh Fringe this year
Speaker 2: for the first time and they saw a magician there.
Speaker 2: He was very Darren Brownie turned out apparently with some
Speaker 2: relation of Debbie McGee and I think he was Paul
Speaker 2: mc Paul McGann, Paul Daniels. Daniels, that's the one I'm
Speaker 2: looking for. Very different person, his nephew, I think. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if I just caught him on a
Speaker 2: bad day, but he was all all the short of
Speaker 2: stagecraft and not really any of the magic. Like it
Speaker 2: was just a great big story that didn't really lead
Speaker 2: to anything at the end, and that okay, it felt
Speaker 2: like it was the worst of both worlds. Interesting that
Speaker 2: you're having to go through this great long story but
Speaker 2: you didn't actually get any big payoff from it really
Speaker 2: because it was sort of like this example where he's
Speaker 2: got the two tricks. You could see the first easy
Speaker 2: trick in the convoluted one, right, it was like, well,
Speaker 2: you've done this, but just talked about it for half
Speaker 2: an hour. But I can totally see his point of
Speaker 2: like the effect isn't always the most important thing, it's
Speaker 2: how you got there and how you sold it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see both sides. Really. It's he's talking
Speaker 1: about the you know, the street magic and the close
Speaker 1: up magic, like it's sort of a more modern, fast
Speaker 1: paced kind of thing, whereas he's very old fashioned and traditional,
Speaker 1: likes the sort of more Victorian kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: get up on a stage and be mystical and all that, you.
Speaker 2: Know in your top pattern tails.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can see both sides. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: seems like he's very much a purist. And obviously this
Speaker 1: is all very meta about the episode itself. Yes, and
Speaker 1: how you know he says about the narrative distracts from
Speaker 1: the trick, yeah, which there's so many layers and layers
Speaker 1: of deception going on in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Although my main thought in that whole scene was
Speaker 2: how many cards magicians must get through? Like it's always
Speaker 2: this is a brand new deck of cards. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: must be buying packs of cards by the truckload. We
Speaker 2: can only use them for one trick, true keeping bicycle
Speaker 2: and all those sorts of card manufacturers in business.
Speaker 1: Although isn't the idea that it's not actually brand new,
Speaker 1: he's pretending it is.
Speaker 2: Well, it was sealed, so I don't know whether I imagine.
Speaker 1: Unless they are a special like magicians kind of deck.
Speaker 2: But well, that's what I was wondering.
Speaker 1: He makes some comment about like a rough and smooth
Speaker 1: something around there, it's a slip force card that it's
Speaker 1: been prepared. Yeah, well I think it has, but I
Speaker 1: don't know whether it's like certain brands will sell trick
Speaker 1: decks that are pre sealed.
Speaker 2: Then like, yeah, because I used to be a bit
Speaker 2: into magic when I was younger, and you could buy
Speaker 2: bicycle of the big or a big maker of cards,
Speaker 2: and you can buy packs of their cards where it's
Speaker 2: you know, all double sided or whatever without writing on
Speaker 2: or you know, they've got rougher sides on one side
Speaker 2: than the other and all sorts of things so you
Speaker 2: can do tricks with them. So I assume they will
Speaker 2: come with you can buy card decks that are in order,
Speaker 2: but they have the you know, six of clubs at
Speaker 2: the top or something. Yeah, for that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Then you'd need to I guess it would have to
Speaker 1: tell you on you'd have to know somewhere which card
Speaker 1: is or if it's always going to be the same
Speaker 1: one then yeah, that's just too obvious.
Speaker 2: This is why I loved learning these things when I
Speaker 2: was little, But it's my memory is terrible. I can
Speaker 2: never remember all this shit that you need to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a great trick that it was really easy,
Speaker 2: but it required you to be able to do some
Speaker 2: really quick maths right, to be like, if you've picked
Speaker 2: this card, then you add X number to it, swap
Speaker 2: it to this suit and do this, and the next
Speaker 2: card will be that, right, and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And it was like it all worked itself out, but
Speaker 2: you have to do the math to be able to
Speaker 2: say and the card will be And I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't do this quickly enough.
Speaker 1: Let me just get out of my magic calculator. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We also then have the tarot cards.
Speaker 2: Which creepy as hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where he's showing how you can
Speaker 1: do basically the same trick but make it much more theatrical. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with a creepy story.
Speaker 2: It's always a creepy old person in the forest, isn't
Speaker 2: there in these stories? Or a witch?
Speaker 1: Apparently? Yes? Do you do you have any experience of
Speaker 1: tarot cards?
Speaker 2: My friend used to My friend that was very intelligent
Speaker 2: person used to claim that he fully believed in them,
Speaker 2: And we had a whole debate for hours or maybe
Speaker 2: not hours, but about and he just kept demanding that it.
Speaker 1: Was real, right, but real in what sense?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think his I think the ultimate
Speaker 2: thing I got to the conclusion was that the card
Speaker 2: drawing be random and make no sense, But it's how
Speaker 2: you how you interpret it, what significance you make to it.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was going to say, because I've done.
Speaker 1: When I was younger, I had a friend who was
Speaker 1: into tara reading. And obviously you know objectively that they
Speaker 1: are going to be coming up randomly. You can't. There's
Speaker 1: no relationship between how they come up and anything in
Speaker 1: the world. But I think they could be a useful
Speaker 1: mental practice just to sort of interpret them, and they're
Speaker 1: a tool to think about your life and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've done that before and found it
Speaker 1: quite interesting.
Speaker 2: I guess it's a bit like the flipping a coin
Speaker 2: and if you're happy, you're sad with the outcome kind
Speaker 2: of thing. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, you think about yeah, so youah, no,
Speaker 2: I think I agree with your friend. Then he didn't
Speaker 2: explain himself very well at the start, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's a while to get to the conclusion that
Speaker 2: I think he saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I suppose it's similar to horoscopes as well,
Speaker 1: and like it doesn't matter when you were born, but
Speaker 1: if you read in a paper that, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: be careful before you make any big decisions this week
Speaker 1: because you were born in July. It doesn't matter when
Speaker 1: you born, it might be worth your while to be
Speaker 1: careful for you making any big decisions anyway.
Speaker 2: True, Yeah, in which case they'll read all the horoscopes exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pick the one you like the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're a really creepy deck though, that they've got in.
Speaker 1: This Yes, everything in German.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then Gabriel wants to show Neville one of
Speaker 2: his tricks. Now obviously playing around with magic a bit.
Speaker 2: When I was younger, I worked out how it was done.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you did before they told you.
Speaker 1: You mean the whole thing with the track a penal
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, Okay, I don't remember, to be honest,
Speaker 1: my first time watching it.
Speaker 2: It was more more so the end bit with the
Speaker 2: blood and the number and stuff, because that's quite a
Speaker 2: common one I think of writing in wax and stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I think i'd seen someone use one of those track
Speaker 2: of pens on something that was maybe one of the
Speaker 2: pen and teala type things. But yeah, I thought you
Speaker 2: did a good job though with it. Like I know,
Speaker 2: obviously it's not really what he's there for, but obstensibly
Speaker 2: at the time, considering he's making out that he's quite
Speaker 2: new at this, and he is telling us, you know,
Speaker 2: making a story out of it a bit like he's
Speaker 2: not just doing the thing, he's sort of doing a
Speaker 2: bit of showmanship with it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. I think this character, as we
Speaker 1: find out at the end, like what his true motivation
Speaker 1: was and everything, he does a very very layered job
Speaker 1: of you know, pretending to be incompetent enough that Neville's
Speaker 1: gonna do certain things and behave in certain ways, Like
Speaker 1: he pictures it so perfectly so that it's you know,
Speaker 1: good enough but not too good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't scream that he's yeah, he's bad exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very clever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does picture at just the right level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the mistakes that he makes in the trick are
Speaker 1: not actually mistakes at all. They're deliberate, No, in order
Speaker 1: to manipulate Neville and Neville just his ego. He just
Speaker 1: falls for it, hook clan and sincer. Yeah, it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: He knows that he's not going to be able to
Speaker 2: resist doing those things. Yeah, as much as a lot
Speaker 2: of this episode does rely on sort of things going
Speaker 2: the way Gabriel wants to too, Yeah, I did think
Speaker 2: that there is still an element of but he knows
Speaker 2: him well, presumably research the hell out of this guy. Oh,
Speaker 2: and he knows you know, how cocky he is, and
Speaker 2: there's no chance he's not going to do this. He's
Speaker 2: going to want to go, oh looking, you know, open
Speaker 2: your pocket and yeah, make a showman point of taking
Speaker 2: out himself.
Speaker 1: And yes, yeah it is. I mean, I know I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. Reminded me of Sherlock, but it is that
Speaker 1: similar thing of like the character of Sherlock Holmes couldn't
Speaker 1: exist in real life because so much of his deductions
Speaker 1: are just very very lucky guesses that, Yes, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be that lucky in real life. No, So this is
Speaker 1: a similar thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess we don't see the Sherlock cases
Speaker 2: where he just got it completely wrong. Your your wedding
Speaker 2: ring isn't polished because you're taking it on and off
Speaker 2: all the time, travel affairs. It's just you're like polishing
Speaker 2: your ring because you're Oh, that sounded wrong, polishing your
Speaker 2: wedding ring because you're just, you know, really ocd and
Speaker 2: like to keep things and clean. I guess I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly. Yeah, there's always so many options, and he
Speaker 2: always happens to be the right one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, Nevill tears apart the trick.
Speaker 2: I like the flashbacks though, and like you see how
Speaker 2: it was done.
Speaker 1: That's nice, Yes, And I like it sort of in
Speaker 1: Neville's imagination because it's the way he thinks it was done, yes,
Speaker 1: with the wax thumb tip. Yeah, and then he says no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a wax thumtip, and then you get the
Speaker 1: sort of corrected flashback.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And even then it's sort of like a joke
Speaker 2: because Gabriel winks, oh, I smiles at the camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that's quite funny there where
Speaker 1: he stops and he says it wasn't a wax thumb tip,
Speaker 1: it was just a candle and he just goes close enough.
Speaker 2: It still cats. I get the points. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: way he calls it early Darren Brown at best, the
Speaker 2: thinking he's going to get the save code out of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, that's another example, isn't it of just that
Speaker 1: perfect He's he's pretending that he's trying to be clever, yeah,
Speaker 1: but not clever enough. But in actual fact he's being
Speaker 1: very clever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so clever that it doesn't register.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, by deliberately making it obvious obvious enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just on another level, very clever.
Speaker 2: How long has he been planning this?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So we kind of find out around this
Speaker 1: point that, well, it's heavily implied that his granddad was
Speaker 1: Willie Wando. Yes, and there's some sort of unfinished business.
Speaker 2: Presumably this was a lot meant to be remotely surprising,
Speaker 2: that you're meant to have worked this out and guess.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah, and then Neville slips up when
Speaker 1: he says he took his secrets with him to the
Speaker 1: grave you is dead. Yeah, but he's in that place
Speaker 1: of like, well, I know you probably suspect me of
Speaker 1: mergering him, but you can't prove it. So let's just
Speaker 1: get you out of here now and get out of
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And like he says, he you know, he has
Speaker 2: to deal with people claiming people stole his tricks all
Speaker 2: the time, which, going by what's happened so far, is
Speaker 2: probably not far off the truth. He probably does because
Speaker 2: it's a bit like that thing of you know, every
Speaker 2: novel is just a reworker Shakespeare or whatever. There's only
Speaker 2: so many tricks you really can do that, are you
Speaker 2: know when you boil them down?
Speaker 1: I suppose. Yeah. And I guess that's where the showman
Speaker 1: ship comes in, isn't it, because you make it different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sell it as a separate thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Gabriel, I've put in quote Marks tries to open
Speaker 1: the safe. Yeah, although of course he knows he can't
Speaker 1: actually do it. He's just trying to freak Neville out.
Speaker 2: Imagine if he had been clever like Neville just hadn't
Speaker 2: worked it out, and that was the safe code and
Speaker 2: it did just open, what would you have done?
Speaker 1: At that Well then yeah, then yeah, everyone's a winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apart from not to murder anyone anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he spent all.
Speaker 2: That money on all the tech and he didn't need it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did enjoy watching this because, you know, I think
Speaker 1: the first time, I think you buy the fact that
Speaker 1: Gabriel is just being a little bit incompetent and that
Speaker 1: Neville is really ahead of him, ahead of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it all gets turned on its head later.
Speaker 2: Obviously Nevill's murdered people so far, but he just becomes
Speaker 2: such a dick at this point. Like even the way
Speaker 2: he says bedwomb like really takes the piss out.
Speaker 1: Of it, is very unlikable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's pretty much admitted at this point that
Speaker 2: he has murdered his granddad in all but saying it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you always know whenever someone says, why don't you
Speaker 1: prove it? You always know that they're basically just admitting it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I did enjoy the bit about how you
Speaker 2: can't patent magic tricks though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: So David Copperfield, a lot of his tricks got figured
Speaker 2: out because people worked out how when he patented them,
Speaker 2: certain bits of them. I guess under fake names and
Speaker 2: like all sorts of stuff. So you can't because the
Speaker 2: amount of patents that exist, actually finding it would be impossible,
Speaker 2: but people have like how he does the flying thing
Speaker 2: and various tricks he has patented, so you can work
Speaker 2: it out from that. But yeah, it's it's interesting that
Speaker 2: you you kind of just have to hope that no
Speaker 2: one works it out because there's nothing then to stop
Speaker 2: anyone from doing themselves if you haven't patented it.
Speaker 1: It's a very serious thing, this whole Magic Circle, the
Speaker 1: Magician's Code and all that isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very seriously. Yeah, you see that you Scott a
Speaker 2: message from the Magic Circle. Oh no, they sent him
Speaker 2: a letter afterwards saying how much they enjoyed it. Oh nice,
Speaker 2: and like thanks for like you know, treating it so
Speaker 2: properly and like, you know, respectfully. Yeah, respectfully, that's and
Speaker 2: not taking the mickey out of it. I'm not more certain,
Speaker 2: not in a mean way anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but that's like you said about it, that
Speaker 1: he did for magic what Steve did for Crosswords in
Speaker 1: the other episode, so you know, it's it's something he
Speaker 1: cares deeply about, so it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Gabriel leaves after having accused him of murder. And
Speaker 1: I think Nevil's a bit shaken because you know, to
Speaker 1: have to have this happen, to have this the grandson
Speaker 1: of this person who murdered come and say I know
Speaker 1: you did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Plus like you'd expect that in the first few months,
Speaker 2: but when it's got to nine years later, you've probably
Speaker 2: thought I've got away with it.
Speaker 1: I think you're safe yea yeah.
Speaker 2: And then someone says this, you know, okay, I'm never
Speaker 2: going to be safe, Like if this can come up
Speaker 2: nine years later, it could happen anytime.
Speaker 1: Yes, the lesson is don't murder someone.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's always a good Yeah. It's much easier
Speaker 2: when you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Yeah. So yeah. He goes over as
Speaker 1: the little pads where he very obviously wrote something down
Speaker 1: earlier in invisible well in wax I guess or was
Speaker 1: it just an impression on the paper?
Speaker 2: I think it was just an impression through go on
Speaker 2: to the next year paper, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he founds out that he's written down this word
Speaker 1: mount weasel, which he doesn't ye know. So he's then
Speaker 1: on skype to Jenny.
Speaker 2: We have an awkward explanation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and apparently her hotel has been receiving dodgy messages Yeah,
Speaker 1: supposedly from Neville, Yes, which he has no memory of doing.
Speaker 2: Nope. On a first watch it, it does come across
Speaker 2: quite creepy, like what's happening here? I guess it's it
Speaker 2: is lucky for the plot. Another coincidence that she didn't
Speaker 2: take the calls.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it would have worked if she'd.
Speaker 1: Answered yeah, that's true, unless.
Speaker 2: Unless he's following her and knows that she's not in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or unless he's just phoning reception and just abusing them,
Speaker 1: you know, in the name of Neville.
Speaker 2: True, you know true? Yeah, Because he's such a he's
Speaker 2: such a dick of a character, Neville, that you could
Speaker 2: just be like, do you know who I am? And
Speaker 2: like make out very easily that you're pretending to be him.
Speaker 1: Yea. So she knows what a mount weasel is yes,
Speaker 1: and explains it's a copyright trap.
Speaker 2: M This made me wonder, like, so if they put
Speaker 2: these things in encyclopedias quite regularly to check if people
Speaker 2: are stealing stuff, how many people are learning fake facts? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 2: going out saying that X means why but it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I suppose it must. They must have to make it
Speaker 1: something so obscure and inconsequential. Yeah, but yeah, it is
Speaker 1: a good point.
Speaker 2: It's the same with the whole trap street thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt.
Speaker 2: If someone ends up wanting to get between two different
Speaker 2: places and that street doesn't exist and they get.
Speaker 1: Lost, yeah, oh well thanks to me them. So once
Speaker 1: again he's rattled by this. He thinks, oh my god,
Speaker 1: does that mean Willi Wando left something in his notebook
Speaker 1: that could incriminate him? But I don't know what. I mean,
Speaker 1: what could that be? How can you apply Mount Weazel
Speaker 1: to a notebook of magic trick ideas? I don't really
Speaker 1: get that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I guess it doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 2: just planting the seed that something could have happened.
Speaker 1: There could be something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so he's obviously killed Willie Wando. He's took
Speaker 2: his book. Has he then just transcribed his book? I thought, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: and given it back because I'm just a bit confused
Speaker 2: as to what happened to the book. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: Willie's body I guess presumerly just disappeared. But if his book,
Speaker 2: if he disappeared and presumably all of his stuff disappeared
Speaker 2: along with him that he had on him. Why did
Speaker 2: he bother copying out the book?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't really get that, because he makes a point
Speaker 2: of as soon as he's killed him, he takes the
Speaker 2: book and he starts copying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he starts copying over. Yeah.
Speaker 2: After this mount Reel thing, he burns those pages.
Speaker 1: So what happened to the original?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because presumably you wouldn't ever want the risk that
Speaker 2: if because that would be the worst thing. If so,
Speaker 2: he's had to dump the body somewhere. He dumped the
Speaker 2: body along with the notebook. Someone finds it, finds the
Speaker 2: notebook signs this guy's performing the tricks that apparently only
Speaker 2: listed in this notebook. That's pretty clear evidence that he's
Speaker 2: somebody should be talking to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't really understand the point of the notebook being copied.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't have an answer for that. I have
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he decides at that point to I guess
Speaker 2: he's wiping the security footage as well, because Gabriel was there,
Speaker 2: and if he does have something on him, he doesn't
Speaker 2: want evidence that he's spoken to him.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I thought it was because the camera
Speaker 1: was pointing at the safe where he was about to
Speaker 1: put the code in, and he didn't want the code
Speaker 1: to be recorded.
Speaker 2: Well, I thought that. I assumed that was the reason
Speaker 2: why he turned the cameras off but deleting the footage.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I assumed it was because he was there
Speaker 2: and he didn't want proof that, you know. Yeah, probably
Speaker 2: that he'd tan't amount to omitted it on video. Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly with my guess. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: takes out the pages, burns them, which I'm surprised he
Speaker 2: hasn't done before really, because it's been nine years. He
Speaker 2: probably knows all of what's in that notebook inside out
Speaker 2: and backwards by now, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a dangerous piece of evidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it just adds to his whole He's
Speaker 2: a cocky asshole. He is the character. Maybe there were
Speaker 2: other tricks in there that he'd not finished, that he'd
Speaker 2: not worked out the rest of yet. Possibly will he
Speaker 2: hadn't finished making them and he hadn't finished working out
Speaker 2: how they worked. Yeah, maybe then he has another go
Speaker 2: at the chair trick for no real reason whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's the next day yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know why. Maybe it's just because Willie Willy's on his mind.
Speaker 1: I know the feeling, that's why he doesn't care, that's
Speaker 1: why he's said yeah, and the police turn up to
Speaker 1: question him.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Do I Houston indeed, who I thought looked like he'd
Speaker 1: stepped out of his own ITV drama.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the new Death in Paradise person. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: programs like the Sugar Babes. I feel we're all going
Speaker 2: to get a call to be the chief inspector person
Speaker 2: in at some point. It's like jury duty. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so do I Houston asked where he's been, and he
Speaker 2: categorically says that he's been there the whole time. M M.
Speaker 2: Someone matching his wife's description has died, and Neville just
Speaker 2: does not seem to routely.
Speaker 1: Cas hasn't seem bothered.
Speaker 2: He's like, right, okay, and this he's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: she matches her description, doesn't mean it's her. Maybe he's
Speaker 2: just the shock of it, isn't registering that it's actually real.
Speaker 1: Maybe possibly it was a very bizarre moment.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to give him some sort of crediting, with
Speaker 2: some sort of reasoning here but.
Speaker 1: I think, to be honest, I think it just goes
Speaker 1: towards him being an even more unlikable character. You just think, well,
Speaker 1: you know, he he doesn't care about anyone but himself,
Speaker 1: even his own wife.
Speaker 2: I guess I struggled to think though, how you could
Speaker 2: not care at all?
Speaker 1: It is weird.
Speaker 2: I guess that's just him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's that. And I think it's also
Speaker 1: the fact that, obviously police turn up and start asking
Speaker 1: the questions, with all that's been going on, he automatically assumes,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I'm about to go down for murder. True,
Speaker 1: that is all that's on his mind. So maybe when
Speaker 1: they start telling him about his wife, it's more relief
Speaker 1: that actually it's not that true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah still, and if he.
Speaker 2: Thought about it for a little bit, he probably would be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and conveniently he can't prove his alibi because
Speaker 1: he's just deleted all the footage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fuck it.
Speaker 1: And I just I just love this when you realize
Speaker 1: what's been going on. Yeah, and that he's been completely played. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he thought he was getting one step ahead of him,
Speaker 1: but this other guy was like ten steps ahead of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every eventuality was worked out. Ye, Heuston gets him
Speaker 2: to admit that he's the only person that knows the code. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no possible way anything that's in the safe could
Speaker 2: have any other explanation than he put it.
Speaker 1: There, which is like a magic trick in itself, isn't it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know when the magician says to you about you
Speaker 1: know you're the only one who knows what's on this
Speaker 1: piece of paper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like magic. Like oh, like a Jonathan Creek
Speaker 2: type like locked room thing.
Speaker 1: So we get the reveal that Gabriel got the safe
Speaker 1: combination by the same tracking chip that's in the pen.
Speaker 1: There's also one in the ring that he, by sleight
Speaker 1: of hand, he stole and then swapped over. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was an example of very convenient stuff. I thought, like
Speaker 1: the fact that he knew he'd be where, I mean,
Speaker 1: does he always wear that exact same ring, and that
Speaker 1: he could get an identical copy.
Speaker 2: I guess so he's probably that arsoly type person that
Speaker 2: would have talked about, oh I bought this ring for
Speaker 2: X number one thousand from such and such and made
Speaker 2: a big deal of what it is. Maybe I guess
Speaker 2: that's how he would have done that bit, but the
Speaker 2: fact that it's loose enough that he could palm it.
Speaker 2: Like if he'd failed to steal it, to pickpocket it properly,
Speaker 2: the whole thing collapses.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And what if he'd not been wearing it that day.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's just been doing the washing up taking
Speaker 2: it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's quite convenient as well that he wears
Speaker 1: it on his right index finger, the very finger that
Speaker 1: he's going to use.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of it's down to chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The more I mean, I know, it's TV and
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, the boring stories don't get made. But
Speaker 2: like we see the permutation where it doesn't work. But
Speaker 2: the other thing for me is that's just tracking his
Speaker 2: finger movement. How is he like narrowed down which part
Speaker 2: of his hand moving for the next you know, several
Speaker 2: hours to being the bit where he put the code in.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point. His finger's moving all over
Speaker 1: the room, all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always moving. How has he narrowed it down
Speaker 2: to those little little gestures? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Convenient but a cool reveal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the best bit is that like he'll know
Speaker 2: Neville knows what's happened, and he knows he's been set up,
Speaker 2: can't say anything because his own alibi is his own
Speaker 2: evidence for a different crime exactly.
Speaker 1: That's why it's so genius. Yeah, and so Gabriel's got
Speaker 1: back at him by obviously doing something just as bad,
Speaker 1: but he gets the satisfaction of knowing that he's going
Speaker 1: to go away for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the problem with these sorts of things that
Speaker 2: whether you have you have some sort of retribution, and
Speaker 2: it's always some innocent person that has to die. And
Speaker 2: like poor Jenny, Like what does she do wrong?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Nothing, like at least at least Willie was like, you know,
Speaker 2: he had a reason for killing him, Like, yeah, she
Speaker 2: just happened to be collateral damage here. Apparently considered putting
Speaker 2: Jenny's head in the safe originally but thought it was
Speaker 2: too like deadline, so decided that or have.
Speaker 1: Done that Okay, yeah the microwave. Yeah, so what do
Speaker 1: we think?
Speaker 2: I right, there are a lot of coincidences, but then
Speaker 2: there always are in these sorts of things. I guess
Speaker 2: I don't know. To me, it didn't quite hit as
Speaker 2: well because I love magic and I've read up on
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, so it didn't. I saw a
Speaker 2: lot of it coming, I think, right, okay, which is unfortunate,
Speaker 2: but I still really enjoyed it. I didn't. I thought
Speaker 2: the characters it was too. It was a little bit
Speaker 2: more plot heavy than character, and therefore the characters end
Speaker 2: up feeling a little bit like cogs.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I understand that they.
Speaker 2: Didn't really have as much agency and as much they
Speaker 2: weren't as well rounded as they are in some other episodes.
Speaker 2: Believable because there's a.
Speaker 1: Lot of money, see of events to sort of to
Speaker 1: get in, so I suppose they've just been more energy
Speaker 1: on that than yeah, characters, but yeah.
Speaker 2: I know we always say there's you know, not the
Speaker 2: line wasted kind of thing, but often there is just
Speaker 2: jokey bits that build a character up, exactly, Yeah, whereas
Speaker 2: here everything seemed to be very important for the plot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, onto rating it, yes, please?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hmmm, I think I go with seven.
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's quite good. Yeah. I think I felt similarly,
Speaker 1: and I've written down the six so yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's enjoyable, very good, very clever, very clever with
Speaker 1: the twist and everything.
Speaker 2: Yep, and as you said, emblematic of the whole series
Speaker 2: and that exactly. Yeah, and that was a big question.
Speaker 2: Did you spot the hair?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 2: Well done.
Speaker 1: You can go quite near the beginning. I saw it
Speaker 1: on the draws, near where Willie puts his phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see it behind them when they're talking whom
Speaker 1: I got one?
Speaker 2: I got one. You might win at the quiz, but
Speaker 2: I'll win at these. And did you spot our hair
Speaker 2: at home? We shall let you know where it was
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 1: We'll have to let you know next week. But yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: fun episode, Yeah, a fun episode.
Speaker 2: Indeed, it's a step up from last week, definitely, or
Speaker 2: several steps in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very different. We got a really nice review on
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts that I just wanted to share. This comes
Speaker 1: from Zach and it says five this is genuinely one
Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts I've listened to and one that
Speaker 1: I look forward to every week. It's quite hard to
Speaker 1: find a great podcast about this incredible show, but I'm
Speaker 1: so happy I found this one. The show is informative, funny,
Speaker 1: and just a great time all throughout its run time.
Speaker 1: So excited for what's to come in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for being amazing and keep up the
Speaker 1: great work.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks sach lovely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very sweet. We always do appreciate, we do
Speaker 1: feedback and just yeah, knowing that people enjoy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that people are listening. To be honest, exactly
Speaker 2: when someone's listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, we're back next week.
Speaker 2: We will for what we got next week, thinking out loud.
Speaker 1: Indeed, we'll see you then. But for now, I think
Speaker 1: it's time to close the door on number nine.
Speaker 2: But you never leave, do you.
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