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But like to welcome back to the show Brian from
Demon Erasers. Brian, how are you doing, buddy dude?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, Bro. I appreciate it so much.
And you know, it was a good fun conversation last time.
And my friend that I got to going on as
Jerry Marzinski. And for those who don't know what I am,
I'm I'm like an exorcist. I basically cast out demons
and pray for people and deal with a lot of
people from a lot of different conditions. But schizophrenia seems
to be one that continuously pops up when you come
into the world of a deliverance and praying and casting
out demons and that lo and behold. That's how I've
met my friend Jerry Marzinski, who is a clinical psychiatrist,
did I say that right, and he is a.
Speaker 4: I'm not a psychiatrist, some of them psychotherapist.
Speaker 2: Psychotherapist, that's it. Dang it, I got it wrong.
Speaker 3: I got it wrong.
Speaker 2: I tried. I tried. But he's worked with the clinically
insane for many, many years and at a at a
prison as well as a very large mental ward, helping people,
trying to help people the traditional way and then realizing
that doesn't work, and so he has been now helping
people cure, actually cure people from schizophrenia, not by medicine,
because medicine is shrinks your brain, and he's got a
lot of evidence and things to talk about about that,
but he's curing people through a therapy that he uses
that is called the Mas Energy method, which is pretty
interesting and you know it's it goes right along with
you know what I'm doing. And we've kind of come
in unison in a lot of ways with our understanding
and sharing this battle against these entities. Because he also,
Jerry was able to prove that the things, the voices
that a lot of these schizophrenic people were hearing, were
not indeed just invisible voices in their head of hallucinations
like the clinical textbook said he was able to kind
of identify characteristics, and he's got a list of, you know,
over twenty characteristics that that these entities go by. And
those entities, you know, are indeed I say they're demons.
He calls them entities, but they're definitely they're definitely evil.
They're a diaical and they're not good. And we have
a so much overlap between us that it's really cool
to talk with and share some of those kind of things.
Speaker 4: And I do it.
Speaker 2: Okay at the introduction, bro.
Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I did.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So my name is Jerry Marzinski. I've been working
on the front line of mental health for close to
forty years now. I've worked in virtually every kind of
psychiatric institution in the United States. I mean mental health centers,
private psychiatric hospital, state psychiatric hospitals, the psychology department of
a big prison. In the last ten years, i've worked
doing psych crisis in big hospital emergency rooms. So you know,
I've worked them all. I've seen what goes on on
the front lines of mental health, and it's a joke.
It's a freaking joke. What they're doing is drugging the
brains of these people. They're not getting at the cause.
They don't know the cause of mental illness. They don't
know the cause of schizophrenia, but they they have to
act like they do, right, so they keep coming up
with these fake reasons that are causes. They started out
with mothers. They started blaming the mothers. I think it
was in the fifties or the mothers did something wrong.
And then you know, that was observable, and the mothers
would going, well, well, what did we do wrong? I mean,
you know, there were some bad mothers, but there's a
lot better, there's a lot more good mothers, and they're going, well,
what do we do? You know, so that was observable.
So they had to move their excuse or their reason,
or their their fake cause up into an area that
people couldn't see, right, So they've they moved it into genetics,
and they started well, it's a genetic abnormality. It's something
wrong with the genes. And then the geneticists would say, well,
we don't see it. And then they'd say, oh, well,
it's a complex thing. It's not just one gene. It's
an interaction of hundreds of genes. You know, like you
were going to find it, and the geneticists just kept
looking looking, They go, we don't see anything. We don't
see any genetic reason for schizophrenia. There, there's no follow
through on it, although there was it was noted that
there is a tendency for it to spread through generations.
But to me, it looks like that depends on how
the how the kids are treated. So if you're raised
with a schizophrenic mom, she's going to generate the negative
conditions for these demons to foster in her offspring.
Speaker 2: And also in what I do, we call that generational curses.
And and that's also a similar thing where it actually
says the sins of the father go to the third
and fourth generation biblically wise, and so that's also kind
of something connected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I even talk to one guy. He was a
computer nerd working a good job at the university. His
mother was schizophrenic, and he had to move away from
her because he started hearing her voices.
Speaker 3: Also whoa oh wow for real.
Speaker 4: For real, So he had to move away from her
because he started hearing those things too. As soon as
he moved away, he was okay.
Speaker 2: It's almost like the condition fully do FA or whatever,
folly of two, where two you put two people that
have schizophrenic in similar proximity, they can.
Speaker 4: Hear following yeah it follya do follia do yeah, folly
of two, folly of two. Yep. So there's still they're
still going it's a folly, it's a hallucination. There's some
you know, but they've done no research whatsoever. The psychiatric
mafia just got up and went, well, it looks like
a hallucination. That's what it seems like to us. So
we hereby declared the voices that schizophrenics are hearing a
hallucination have to no research, you know, just like the
ancient Egyptian priests. We hereby declare that they're hallucinations because
we said so, they haven't done any research on it whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Well, I think anybody in our circles can agree. There's
no profit in cures. There's only profits in management, maintenance
and management.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly how they make their money. They treat
the symptoms, they don't get at the cause. They don't
know the cause, for one, but they have to appear
like they do okay in order to gather the trust
that they can do something. Those drugs that they're using
for schizophrenia and don't cure anybody. They just tamp down
the symptoms. Nobody's getting better. A matter of fact, they're
also neurotoxins, so they're actually poisoned, slowly poisoning the brain.
They're killing brain cells. And when that was discovered, the
psychiatric mafia and Big Farmer went nuts. They went, you know, no,
it's not our drugs. It's it's the schizophrenia that's doing this.
You know, it's not our drugs. So the researchers who
found this out, they were they were doing autopsies on
long term patients who were taking those anti psychotic drugs
for long periods of time, and they found that when
they did those autopsies, their brains were shrunk like walnuts.
Speaker 2: And the irony is they called them a shrink like
the psychiatrist called something irony.
Speaker 3: I used to work in the medily handicapped field and
watch people in their houses when I was in my
late teens early twenties, and we had to take all
kinds of classes on given medication and different things like that.
But I remember one of the things that I seen,
it was very common, was they called it tardev dyscognesia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's one of the symptoms. That's one that's
one of the symptoms, the orthological damage.
Speaker 3: And they just shake or they'll open their mouth real fast.
They got some kind of neurotoxicity. Yeah, it's neurotoxicity from
those meds. So they're they're actually doing damage. They're doing
physiological damage, neurological damage that is irreversible past a certain point.
Speaker 2: So it causes a certain condition where their mouth does
what exactly like.
Speaker 4: Well, there they have tongue darting or their tongue like
that they shake. That they call at the hospital, they
called it the thorizine shuffle at the at the State
hospital where they they didn't have a normal gait. They
kind of drugged their feet, all due to neurological damage
due to those phenothigasine drugs that they and they're they're
dangerous even today.
Speaker 2: This is so sid I'm just saying, this is so
fascinating about the tongue thing, because like you know, when
I deal with demonic oppression, when we're praying with people,
they will start doing the tongue flicking thing like a snake,
like a snake because they do it by default. Like
it was like we'll start praying and the person will
be and you're like, what was that? Like, what's going on?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 2: So it's not right, bro. And so I just kind
of attributed it to some type of like demonic snake
behavior because you see demons on old drawings of them,
they always have their tongue out. They're always like like
they stick their tongue out all the time. So all
old drawings, there's a there's like a connection with demons
sticking their tongue out. There's like some kind of like association.
And I just kind of figured it was like snake
tongue thing they were mimicking or something.
Speaker 4: Well, well, you know it might be this. This happens
with long term psychiatric drug use ESPEC should the any psychotics.
So you can you can tell the difference Why I
asked them how long they've been on those mids. You know,
if it's been many years, it's probably due to the drugs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell.
Speaker 3: It's crazy manifest in many ways, Like it can be
like a mouth jerk like a ye, you know, or
a insure the face in your nose, or just a cheat.
Speaker 4: It's uncontrollable. They don't they don't have any control over it.
Neurological damage. So, you know, I don't know how these
guys get away with it, because what they were doing
at the state hospital when I was there, and what
they're doing in the private hospitals too, is when those
symptoms start showing up, they prescribe drugs like chokekogentin that
mask those symptoms. So those symptoms are suppressed. Yeah, they're
suppressed by the kogent, but the nervous system is still
being rotted out by the drugs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, back in the seventies, they didn't have any other
treatment than those drugs, you know. And and today what
the psychiatrists are telling patients is this is a life sentence.
I've heard that over and over again. This is a
life sentence. You've got to take these toxic drugs for
the rest of your life. There's there's nothing else you
can do, which is bunk. I mean, Brian knows that.
I know. I know that I've seen a number of people,
you know, with with some of the stuff I do,
completely recover from schizophrenia, you know, and Brian, Brian seeing
the same thing. So there's other ways to go about it,
But you have to know what the cause of it is.
And they won't admit the cost because they don't know
anything about it. And it's a spiritual battle, and they
don't believe in spiritual battles. They believe in physical drugs
that drug the brain. Now there is a place for
those things because I've seen, you know, psych patients that
were so violent and so nasty that there wasn't anything
else you could do to them. You know, you couldn't
do anything else for them. A lot of them were
locked up in prison and on these drugs in prison,
and we're still violent. So there is a place for
those drugs. But for the average guy, you know, they're
they're doing permanent neurological damage with long term use of
those drugs. But see, they don't believe in anything else
except drugs. You know, they're making like I said, I
think they're making fourteen point seven billion, not million billion
dollars a year worldwide selling any psychotic drugs through a
brainwashed world, you know, telling them there's nothing else they
can do except take these.
Speaker 2: Drugs brainwashing and brain shrunk. And you know, another interesting
thing is that the word pharmachia in Greek is their
root word for witchcraft, and pharmacoy is actually the root
word for sacrifice. So both pharmacy comes from both the
word witchcraft and sacrifice, like it's from So it's literally
like telling you you are a sacrifice like and you're
and you're practicing witchcraft is some degree, Like that's literally
what a lot of this stuff is.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it kind of seems like it. So
their drugs dumbed down the symptoms, okay, but the side
effects are terrible. I mean they're they're awful. And you
know what, I'd noticed.
Speaker 3: That it's chemical of botomies.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, kind of, but you know, there's andy. They
were doing lobotomi as a matter of fact, in the
United States, I think what was it in the thirties
or forties, they had some psychiatrists driving around in a
I don't know if he was a psychiatrist. He was
driving around in a lobotomy mobile. So he would go
to all these different towns and he would get an
ice pick and stick it through the eye socket and
scramble the prefrontal low tex cortex of these people and
that would calm him right down. I mean they but
they were vegetables. I met one when I was working
at the State Hospital. My first impression was he wasn't
quite human.
Speaker 2: You a lobottomized person. Yes, they had been like they
had been in like they had.
Speaker 4: They had had their yep, yep. There was one I
met at the State hospital. Was just working there in
the seventies. He looked like he was. He was, you know,
kind of late fifties maybe and he was working maybe
be longer. No, he wasn't working. He was a patient.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, they could.
Speaker 4: They are not capable of working. Yeah, you have your
prefrontal cortex scrambled like like they they just to take
that rod and they just gramble it around in there
and just destroy the prefrontal cortex.
Speaker 2: And it's like there there was he was just like
a soulless body at that point.
Speaker 4: Well he was like a mindless body. I mean he was.
He was very odd. I can't put my finger on it,
but it was like he wasn't quite human, dude. That's
that's the feeling I got in talking to him. And
they were doing this to thousands of people back then, Marveled.
The Marvels psychiatry so famous.
Speaker 3: One one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Speaker 4: You know what, I have a guy who actually lived
that out. Oh wow, I could bring I could bring
him on at a later time. He he he was acon.
Matthew went psychotic. He went into a McDonald's with a knife.
He ordered everybody out. He he ate a hamburger and
waited for the police to come and get him. So
they sent him to a mental hospital. He got the
meth out of his system in the metal hospital. He
was pretty sharp, and then it turned into a one
flew over the cuckoos Nest thing. He was stuck in
San Antonio State Hospital. He could not get out, and
he ended up bringing that hospital to their knees. You know,
he's got a very interesting story about what it's like
to be in one of those hospitals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they trapped you in there.
Speaker 4: Huh oh, Yeah, he couldn't get out.
Speaker 2: Dude, that's so evil.
Speaker 3: Well, Jerry, you said that you just kind of come
to this realization. You said that you, you know, went
with the scientific method for a while and believed what
they were telling you. How long did it take for
you to be in the field to see that they
were wrong?
Speaker 4: Twenty five years and.
Speaker 3: Do you remember case how you kind of started, you know,
gathering your thoughts and changing your mind. Could you kind
of walk us through that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, first was the you know, I have a
problem with authority. I just don't trust authority. That the
way I was raised, I just don't trust authority. So
that's and I'm an adrenaline junkie on top of that.
So with those two, those two factors got me through this.
Speaker 3: You are a good company, sir.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't for those things, I think I would
about hit the ejection seat long ago. But yeah, I
come out of graduate school and I go to work
at one of the biggest psychiatric hospitals on the planet.
There were like ten thousand patients there when I got there.
And you know, I remember in undergraduate school when I
was studying abnormal psychology. One thing that's struck me odd
is here they were describing all these very interesting mental illnesses,
but they didn't have any treatment for them. You know,
they didn't have any you know. They said, well, this
is what this is and this is what it looks like,
you know, and I'm like, wow, that's interesting. So I was.
I was fascinated with that. But there wasn't any treatment
there for it, and I thought that was kind of odd.
And then while I was in that course, the professor
assigned this article written by a clinical psychologist saying that
if two crazy people met one another and both of
them thought they were Joe Biden, one of them would
have to switch to Familia Harris or something else. They
couldn't have the same delusion. And I'm thinking, why would
that be, They're both nuts? Why, you know? I said,
that's very odd. So I stuck that in the back
of my head and it was like, I don't know
how many years later, it's probably two, three, four, five,
maybe six years later, I was hired at that huge
state hospital and I was on the second floor in
the psychiatric ward, and I saw this guy talking to himself.
He looked like he was talking to himself or talking
to somebody else. So what they taught us in graduate
school was that an undergraduate too, was that the voices
were hallucinations.
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Speaker 4: So? When you think about hallucinations, you think about, you know,
word cabbage, you know, word salad. It doesn't make any sense.
You know. It's like hallucinations are random. They're all over
the place. They're positive, they're negative, they're everywhere in between.
I've seen hallucinations that they don't run any patterns. So
here I started seeing patients that were talking to somebody
I couldn't see, or carrying on conversations with themselves, which
is what most staff believed. So I'm on the second
floor doing my rounds on this big psychiatric unit, and
I see this guy looking either talking to himself or
talking to somebody else, and I went to kind of
creep up behind him to see if I could learn
to hear what he was saying. And his conversation was coherent.
It wasn't word salad. It made sense. It was like
he was talking to somebody on the telephone, and all
I could hear was one side of the conversation, him speaking,
and then he was answering somebody and responding to whatever
they were saying. And I'm like, you know, that's odd.
And you know, they didn't say anything about that in
graduate school. They didn't say anything about the hallucinations, except
they were auditory hallucinations. There wasn't any description of them.
Nobody looked into them, nobody studied them, nobody wrote anything
about them. So when you think of hallucinations, you think
of just this random garbage that doesn't make any sense.
He made perfect sense with whatever he was talking to.
So I crept up behind him and he caught me
when he looked at me, and I said, well, I'm Jerry,
I'm the psite for this unit. I haven't seen you
before or you knew, And he said, yeah, I just
got here a few days ago. And I said what's
your name? And he looked me in the eye and
he goes, I'm Jesus Christ, and I go oh, and
then I go, uh, okay, here's my chance. I looked
him in the eye and I said, no, you're not
Jesus Christ, because I am. And I'm like, okay, what's
he going to do? Is he going to back away?
Is he going to change to somebody else like they said,
like this clinical psychiatrist said he would. You know, I'm
watching him really intensely. I'm like, okay, what's he going
to do? You know, I'm watching me? Eyes cock up
and he's thinking and then he looks at me and
he goes, okay, we can both see Jesus Christ, and
then strolls off, and I'm like, okay, what else did
they lie to me about? You know? What else did
they lie?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 4: Right then, and what I hated about psychology is you
couldn't check out except for experimental psychology, right, you could
not check out what they were telling you, you know,
you there were these different experiments and I found out
later than eighty percent of the experiment that psychologists write
up are non replicable. I mean eighty percent of them
is our garbage. Yeah, they can't replicate them. Okay, so
that's a huge percentage.
Speaker 3: They're supposed to be able to repeat it two or
three times before they can claim it.
Speaker 4: They're not. They're not replicable. But one of the tenants
of and it was even worse than graduate school. The
higher you get, the more this gets is either publish
or perish. So they they have to publish to work
their way up the academic line. And when when I
got into the PhD program, that was intense. They had
the publish to survive. So here's these professors that are
roping in us all US graduate students to help them
do these articles to publish them so they can get ahead,
and then they get to put their name on it,
you know as having a publication. So it was a
big game, you know, publisher parish thing, and it didn't
matter what they published. As long as it got published,
it didn't matter, you know. So it's like to get
the university known as you know something or other, you know,
kind of stroke their egos. So you know, you had
that crap going on, and then here they come along.
They taught us in graduate school also that schizophrenia is
due to a biochemical imbalance of the brain. That's what
they were teaching. And then when I got onto the
front lines working with psychiatrists, being in the office with
the patient and the psychiatrist, I was watching how they
worked and they would pull the patient in. They'd spend
maybe especially in the state hospital, made twenty minutes twenty
five at the most, and they'd ask them, well, what's
going on with you? Well, I'm hearing voices, Okay, you're schizophrenic,
you know, and then they'd prescribe them some drug. After
I saw that a few times, I'm like, okay, if
it's biological chemical imbalance, what's the baseline. You know what
what what? What's chemicals in the brain are out of
balance by how much? Why aren't they testing for that?
So I'm like, what's going on here? That's not making
any sense. I mean, if they're treating a chemical imbalance,
then they should know what that chemical imbalance is. Just
makes sense, and they didn't. I found out that they
have no test for a chemical imbalance. They have no
objective tests for a chemical imbalance. This was a lie.
This chemical imbalance thing was made up by Eli Lily,
and Brian has a little caveat as to where Lily
came from.
Speaker 2: I think he said Lilith Lilith, And I think it's
funny because you'll see a lot of these individuals that
are involved in the occult and stuff, like their names
will literally be aligned with demonic entities. But the fact
that her name is Lily is like a Lilith descendant.
More thought that was tied to the occult, Like, more
than likely she is involved in witchcraft and tied to
a demonic agenda, because Lilith is the for the mother
of all demons. That's Lily. Lilith is the mother of
all demons.
Speaker 4: So here's Eli Lilly comes out with prozac, you know,
major any depressant in the seventies, I believe, and they
are the first ones that come up with this biochemical
and balanced stuff. They had no proof for it at
the time. They just published it went well, this is
a chemical and it affects their you know, it's a
neuro It blocks serotonin, so you know, it increases the
ballance of serotonin. But that's just one. There's like, I
don't know, twenty three different there were transmitters in the brain.
I don't know how many, but there's there's many, okay,
And uh, you know, it's like they had no validity
for it. They just made it up just to have
some explanation as to why it worked. So it was
a lie and they perpetuated it on the entire planet.
And then they started teaching that in the universities to
have some explanation. And then it spread to all mental illness,
not just depression. You know, it spread the schizophrenica, it
spread the depression, It sped to OCDA, sped to all
mental illnesses. They're due to some chemical imbalance of the brain.
What chemical imbalance of the brain. They don't even know
what the chemical balance of the brain should be let alone,
what's out of balance? You know, how are they going
to separate these things? They're going to get people's brains
and then squash them up and find out how much
of these neurotransmitters are in each brain. I mean, they
haven't done it. They haven't done the research. It's a
lie that they perpetuated on the entire planet, along with
the genetic lie that they started out with. So they
the genetic f lie came before before the chemical and
balanced lie. So they got away with that for what
forty years, saying oh, it's a genetic thing. And then
the geneticist I mean, there's what they did is kicked
it up to where the average guy couldn't see what's
going on, couldn't understand what's going on. They're going, oh, well,
it takes geneticists, you know that are training in PhDs
and doctors and and all these high falutin people to
find out what's going on genetically. So they got I
don't know, forty years. It took the geneticists to get
around to it. And then they started doing research on
schizophrenics and they go, we don't find a genetic uh,
gene for schizophrenia. It's just it's just not there. So
then they they these people start, well, well, it's not
just one gene. It's a big mixture of genes. It's
hundreds of genes that are you know, the you know,
we'll find it eventually, you know, we're sure it's we'll
it eventually. But they have nothing for it. So they
never found a schizophrenic gene, you know. So then they
kicked it up to biochemical imbalance, okay, which is another lie.
Speaker 2: And they tried to do they try to do that
same thing with the homosexuality stuff. They try to say, oh,
there's a gene associated with them sexuality. It's the same
kind of thing. It's like they want to bring in
something that's unmeasurable that you know, most people can't even
identify or pick out.
Speaker 4: Right right, They keep it out of the so other
people can't can't see. So once I found that out
that that was a lie, and I'm like, okay, if
it's not a chemical brain im balance, and what is
it right and what are these voices telling these patients.
Now that struck me. It's very odd because you know
that that huge hospital, it was Central State Hospital, Militrille,
Georgia was one of the biggest on the planet, if
not the biggest. It had close to ten thousand patients
there when I got there in the seventies, and that
was down from like twenty thousand or something like that.
They were dumping everybody in there, and you know, I
was like, okay, what are these voices? So when I
saw that one patient that said he was Jesus Christ
speaking to these things, I'm like okay, And I started
talking to asking other patients like what are these saying?
What are they telling you? What are they saying? And
they didn't want to talk about it, you know, and
the voices didn't want them to. I didn't know that
at the time, but they didn't. The voices didn't want
them telling anybody about what they were saying or what
they were doing. So it took me, probably took me
the better part of a year and a half or
so to figure out how to talk to these people
about the voices because they were threatened by psych Because
psych's at that hospital, and in most hospitals, are spies
for psychiatry, so they watch to see if the patient's
going out of control, and if they are, they turn
them into psychiatry. Psychiatry drugs, So traditional psychotherapy would bounce
off psychia schizophrenics like BB's off the butt of a
rhino just didn't have any effect. You know, you could
talk until you were blue in the face with these people.
They would still go off their medications, they would still
go psychotic, and whatever you said didn't change anything. So
there was no traditional counseling them to work. So the
only thing that we'd had back in the seventies that
did work were these drugs. Right, So the patients didn't
trust psych they didn't trust the psychiatric nurses. And the
side effects were awful. They were just awful. So I
started asking these patients and and nobody else was interested.
Nobody else was curious about what these voices were saying.
Speaker 3: No, they were clicked on the paycheck and going home.
That's all I cared about.
Speaker 4: Well, they believed what they were taught in school, you know,
nursing school, in medical school and psychology and graduate school.
These voices are hallucinations, so they go, why would why
would they lie to us? They weren't like, well, there's
there's a good chance they're probably lying. I'm going to
find out for myself, you know. So what I started
doing was asking the patients on my caseload, what are
these things telling? Me? So after I figured out, you know,
if once I knew a couple of nuggets I would
I could tell them. I go, well, I know this
about them, I know this about them, I know this
about them. What else can you tell me? So it
was like priming the pump. The more I knew about
the voices, the more they were willing to tell me.
If I didn't once, I didn't when I when I
started and I didn't know anything about the voices, they
didn't trust me. You know, It's like, oh, he's just
one of them. He's just going to turn me into
psyche and they're going to drug me some more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that would be kind of scary. I
mean from from your point of view, if they're cognitive
enough to know how if I talk about what I'm seeing,
what I'm here, and they're going to dope me and
I'm going to be slobbering on myself all day. Hell,
ex talking to nobody.
Speaker 4: That's a bullsage. That's exactly right. They don't and the
voices are telling them at the same time, don't tell
them anything. I remember one guy told me that the
voice has told him don't tell him anything. He already
knows too much.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had it. I've had a similar experience
because I've like literally prayed for a lot of people
that are schizophrenic, and I've had beamon possess people that
can hear the voices come around me and go just
stop talking, stop talking, don't don't don't, don't talk. Don't
talk to this guy because they know that I know
what they are or how to get about. They're like, yeah,
the voice is just like shut up. When I saw you,
and they said that, they told the other one to
stop talking, like they're like, what the heck Like, They're like,
they don't want me to tell you anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's oddbody. Actually, I remembered I walked into
one one's uh. It was a big hospital here in Tucson.
I was working in the emergency room doing psych crisis
and walked in and went into my computer and there
was a girl laying in one of the beds and
I got a signed to her to evaluate and she
was telling me, she said, when you walked in through
that door, the voices said stay away from him. He's dangerous. Yeah.
And I never saw that girl in my life, never
talked to her before. But she said that's what the
voice has told her as soon as I walked in
the door. And they you know, how did they know?
Speaker 3: Did you change that now meeting or did it take
some time to build a you know what do you
call it a relationship with her before she shared that
with her? Did she share it with you as you want?
Speaker 4: No? While I was evaluating her when you psych evaluation
order demon.
Speaker 2: And like, the root word for demon is domon, and
it means like, uh, it's like it means the ones
that know, and so like literally this is where we
get the word genius from. So like the word genie
actually is gin. It's from the root word gin, which
is demon. Okay, demons, no stuff again, dalemon And so
like people that are geniuses a lot of times they
had a gin, a genie or a demon following them
around telling them things. And that's what we deemed a genius.
That's why it's like when you say somebody is good,
you'll call him like, oh, well, they are a real
demon at that that used to be in more figures
now we still use the phrase like speed demon, Oh
he's a speed demon? Or whoa yet like that was
a figure of speech back then, but it stemmed from
the understanding that demons no stuff, and they give you
like supernatural abilities or knowledge or understanding. That's why we
call the words. That's where we get the word genius from.
Speaker 4: I can back that up with hospital stories that you
know firsthand things. One of the first times I saw
that was when a guy I was working with his
voices told him to watch out for a certain fellop
and was telling him that that guy was going to
assault him. So a few days later that guy's he
took a shower, his hairs full of water, and he
had a comb and he was slinging the water off
of his hair backward. That same guy that the demons
told him were going to assault him walk through the
door just as he flicked the water out of his hair,
and he hit the guy in the face with it,
and that guy jumped him just like he said. Then
there were the methaddicts that the demons would would the
voices would tell them when they ran out of myth.
They'd tell him where to be and when to be there.
And some stranger would show up with myth say hey,
looking for something that happened over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: I've had the same situation praying for people that are
doing possessed seeing like being told where to go to
show up and then get drugs from random a random person,
like randomly in meeting them somewhere like in an alleyway
or like a course short corner store, and they just
like the voices guided them and said, hey, go talk
to that guy, and they just go to the person
and they go, hey, what's up, and the person like
handing them the drugs without them even like asking for it.
Like it was just like they the person knew, and
they knew. Really weird, really weird.
Speaker 4: But there was a similar they didn't know these guys
from Adam that showed up, Yeah, and it was just
like that. But the wildest story I've heard now, this
was from a guy who had fully recovered. Okay, we'd
got rid of his demons, and he told me the
story when he was the voices were gone all right,
So he was straight up when he told me this.
He wasn't psychotic. He was in San Diego and he
was he had a long criminal history, you know, he'd
been arrested scores of times, and he was using cocaine,
all right, and he was hearing voices, and the voices
told him, hey, listen, we know where there's a sesamelia
potfield in Oregon. You take take all your money, get
two burlap sacks and a machete, and we'll show you
where it is. So he trusted the voices enough to
listen to what they said. So he got two burlap
sacks and a machete. He took off for Oregon, and
they were telling him where to go, turn by turn,
and he gets up there, and then he gets off
into the wilderness and he's going up this dirt road
and he finally runs out of road up against the
mountain and stops the car and he goes, Okay, you
know I can't go any further on this road. What
do I do now? Voices said, there's a hiking trail
off to your left. Get your sacks and bring your
machete and take that hiking trail and just keep going,
you know, keep it's a few hours there, just keep going.
So he does that. A few hours later, he comes
up to this big clearing and here's this huge sess
amelia pot field. So he gets his machete, he cuts
down two big prolapse sacks of marijuana, gets in his
car and he says, well, what do I do with
it now? The voice just said, well, there's a federal
park just down the road. Go there. You can sell
it there. So he goes there and he starts selling
all this cessamelia pot and he gets a ton of money,
and he buys himself all the prostitutes he can handle,
buys himself all the cocaine he wants, and buys himself
all the alcohol he wants. And then the voices wanted
to go fishing. So when he told me that, I said, oh,
get out of here, man, you're pulling my leg now.
And he goes, no, no, honest to God, I'm not
telling you if they wanted to go fishing, he said,
they're fishermen. They want to go fishing. So he said
he went and bought a fishing pole and some bait,
and he went out to I think was the Columbia River,
he said, and started fishing. He said the voices told
him where to throw his hook, how long to stay there,
and when to move on. He said he was the
only person out there fishing. That was catching fish that day.
And he said, this went on for two weeks. So
he went up there. He made another run. He made
a life thinking. I think he made like three runs
up there. And then on the third week, at the
end of the third week, he said, well, I'm out
of drugs, amount of money. I got to go up
there again. And the voices told him, no, they're waiting
for you. They know you've been robbing their field. They're
waiting for you. Go up there again. They're going to
kill you. They said, get in your car and go
back to San Diego. And so he was a very
interesting case because his mother would show up. Now his
mother was deceased, and when he started telling me about
his mother, I right away suspected demons because they can
take the form of anybody that I knew anyway, So
I started grilling him about what's mother say, you know,
did she ever say anything bad? And I said, well,
what does she tell you? And he said, well, you know,
wash my underwear and wear clean clothes, and stay away
from the drugies and don't use drugs, and you know,
eat good food and don't be scamming for store. You know,
the kind of stuff the mother would say. And every
time he said he spoke to his mother, I would
ask him what she said, and it was always that
same kind of stuff, never anything bad. If he would
have said they told him told him anything bad at all,
I would have suspected, you know, that's that's demon's full
faking like they were. His mother. Never happened. So when
he fully recovered, it was one of the last times
I saw him. He said, my mother wants to talk
to you. And I'm like, well, that's odd, and I said,
what does she have to say? And he said, she
thanks you for helping me, you know. And I said,
well you're welcome. What are you doing over there? Asking mother,
what are you doing over there? She said, I'm checking
people in, So apparently she was like some kind of
secretary checking people into somewhere. I went to ask her
another question and she said, I'm not supposed to be
talking to you. Everything you need to know is in
the Bible. And that was it, and a few weeks
later she disappeared from the patient and never spoke to
him again. It was like, now that I know my
son's okay, now I can move on.
Speaker 2: That's supersascinating.
Speaker 3: True true story that's very which Brian wn't bring this up. Brian.
Me and Brian was talking about this pre role and
he just he nicely shushed me, and it's like, we'll
talk about that later. So I want to pull the
pan out of that one for right now. I just
tell him, I said, I was listening to one of
your discussions on this, and I was in the shower
just listening to it on my phone, and you were
talking about the voices and uh uh how it affects
them and all these other type of things, and the
thought just kind of hit me, and I was like, well,
could this be you know, like a scientific way of
explaining I'm not saying it's not real, but like a
scientific way of explaining a spiritual thing like what we
see in the Old Testament, Elijah, Elijah, David, Moses, all
these people that had these supernatural encounters and experiences with
angelic host So I thought of that, and I was like, well,
could it be that maybe there's some you know, the
street term people say, uh in these circles is some
people are just more spiritually sensitive than others, and they
could tap into these lower frequencies and these spirit realms
and stuff like that. Do you think that what we're
talking about here today can apply for demons but also angels.
It's basically like it's i don't know, like a genetic thing,
a gift from God that the enemy can hijack if
you're too weak to wield the weapon properly, or if
I'm making any sinse i m I explained myself.
Speaker 4: Well, Ian was talking to me about that earlier. It's
like in Africa, there's some tribes to kind of treat
schizophrenics as special, like they have a connection with the
spiritual world, and then they work with them. They don't
treat them as you're crazy, you know, they treat them,
they bring them up because they're they're already in touch
with the negative part of the spiritual world, and then
they kind of work them along until they're like shamans
or rus. That way. They don't treat them as insane
or you know, lowly creatures that are possessed that kind
of thing.
Speaker 2: It's very very interesting subject. That question, to me is
something that I deal with quite often because like I think,
you know, I believe it's a you know, there's two
parts to this. Actually, First I wanted to say one
part actually that you know, Jerry mentioned that the demons
of the dude that he listened to like wanted to
go fishing. They just wanted to do normal stuff, right,
like you know, like let's see if you know, the
question I think when you when you tell me that
story is I wonder did the demons possess the fishes
to be led to his lure to bite it? Or
did the demons know that there was fish in that
area and they influenced him to cast in that direction?
Like you know, did the demons were they practicing their
ability to possess fish to bite onto something and see
if they could control of animals? Like were they what
was their demons like goal in that regard or what
was their concern? And so I think of it kind
of in that sense. Or were they premonitions? Were they
like getting premonitions? And now now there's another understanding because
like the premonition perspective, because that guy didn't die. They
told him he would kill him, right, and I'm guessing
he went up there and got caught, right, But he didn't.
Speaker 4: Die, right, No, he didn't die.
Speaker 2: He didn't die, So they said they would die. So
they were wrong in some aspect right, and so it
wasn't like they knew everything, but they knew enough that
it wasn't going to work out. So but but you know,
demons trained people, and there's a lot of people that
I would say are schizophrenic that you wouldn't even know,
you wouldn't even have a there. And there's people like
that man who if he did not go against the
voices and he kept listening to them, Like who knows
what let benefits those voices would have brought him? Who
knows what benefits that would have led him in life?
Who knows what other terrible atrocities he would have committed
as well at the same time, you know what I mean?
But like, who knows what other things these voices that
he would be listening to, Like, I think a lot
of the elites that control our world today would classify
them with schizophrenic. They're just the difference between them and
the person you see in the hospital is the persons
that we see in the in the wards fight the
voices because they innately know that they're not good. Whereas
the people that are the elites that are controlling the world,
they've given in to them and they're not fighting him
like they're probably, yeah, they're probably doing terrible things that
you don't know about, terrible, terrible things that you wouldn't
even imagine that they were even capable of behind the scenes,
feeding these ways because the voices almost always want terribleness.
I've never like, it's like their ultimate goal is something bad.
Even if it appears as something good, their ultimate goal
almost always lead. It always leads to something bad. So yeah,
and so it's like, you know, the people in control
are of our world, I would argue are schizophrenic. Okay.
And there's even the dude that gave Jeffrey Epstein his house,
that Larry I forget his name anyways, but he's a
very prominent, very rich, very powerful individual. He's admitted to
listening to his demon, his goalm that gives him advice
on what stocks to buy. He said, he literally listens
to a demon that speaks to him in his head,
that tells him what stocks he should buy or shouldn't buy.
And that's what's made him all the money and made
him super successful at what he's doing. He's channeling demons, entities,
you know, and even magicians. If you look up old
magician magazines like, right now, if you typed in old
magician posters, you would see magician posters. Almost all of them.
My friend just told me this, Almost all of them
have red little devils whispering in the ears of the magicians.
Because the original magician mentalists people that you're like, we
see mentalists and we're like, oh, how are they doing it?
They're psychologically vesting with your head. No they're not. They're
freaking listening to demons. It's very obvious. But these demons
are helping these individuals and they're telling them those things
they're and like, the demons are influencing these people, Okay,
so like they they are whispering and working with demons.
That's why if you type in old magician posters, you
see demons and devils on the shoulders of all the
magicians talking to them. They're telling you what they're doing.
And so there's people that have mastered the use of demons,
and there's people that have worked with the demons. And
if you give the demon what it wants, it's going
to give you back something in return. So there's people
that have benefited immensely in their life from working with it.
But ultimately it's corrupting your soul, and ultimately they're going
to have you be doing something nefarious. You just don't
know what it is yet. Even if it seems benign
like fishing, ultimately he's still buying prostitutes and doing other stuff.
They're going to lead you into something wicked no matter what.
Like that's what they always do. And so when you
say people that are being led by a voice similar
that leads them in a good way, we might call
this like the voice of God, right, So like that's
something like Moses heard the voice of God speaking to him, right,
And you're kind of like saying, so this is called
a spiritual gift that a lot of these people have. Okay.
The spiritual gift, from my perspective is called discernment of spirits, okay.
And and there's people that can discern the spiritual realm.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: You can either hear in the spiritual realm, you can see,
you can feel, you get knowings, you get dreams, you
get visions. These are all what are called spiritual gifts,
and everybody kind of has them to some degree. But
the people that can hear voices usually have the gift
of hearing in the spirit okay, And I have a
gift as well. I have a similar gift of hearing
in the spirit, and I can sometimes hear these spiritual
things in other people. And Jerry operates in a similar
sort of kind of thing. I believe he can feel
them to some degree as well. And so so there
is a gift of discerning of spirits, right, So we
operate in the discernment of spirits, and you know, and
you kind of know. But these people have that gift,
they have the gift of hearing in the spirit. That
the problem is they're not walking in accordance to the
way the Lord has called them, and so they're not
They're they're essentially in rebellion of some capacity, and the
demons have a legal right to attack and torment them.
So really their gift of hearing in the spirit is
becomes like babotage, becomes sabotage. Really, they should be hearing
from the Lord, they should be having angel encountered, but
they can't. They they're so demonically attacked that it's like
nothing to them even sounds good. So that's that's my
perspective of how I perceive it.
Speaker 4: At least, well, that's probably why how the Africans. You know,
they see, Okay, these guys are in the spirit, but
they're in the wrong side of the spirit, and then
they move them from there, you know. And that's kind
of how I started. I mean, I wasn't any religious fanatic,
you know, I always believed in God, but I've dog,
you know, one of the big church goer kind of thing.
And then when I saw these things, it's like, okay, well,
if if they're these things are there, then the good
sides they're all, yeah, there's there's this puzzle.
Speaker 3: You know, talks about stuff and he says, yeah, when
you find out the Bible is real, he said, you
sit back and you say, oh, man, the Bible's real,
he said, then you piles for a sake and you're like, oh,
the Bible's real's accountable for all my crap.
Speaker 4: Especially stuff they're finding now about the you know, Moses
and the crossing out of Egypt. Oh yeah, you know,
they're finding chariot wheels down there. They're finding skeletons down there, brother, right,
and a path where the rocks are moved out of
the way. Yeah, it's all all they're finding all that
right now.
Speaker 2: Dude, it's it's so cool.
Speaker 3: And all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you know it. And like the other thing
is like knowing that this stuff, like when you're dealing
with these kind of supernatural things, realizing the spiritual realm
is real. It really changes your perspective everything, Like it
really does, Like it opens your mind to the reality
of what we're actually we're like in a video game.
I feel like in some degree it.
Speaker 3: Makes sense, don't it. Brian? Yeah, yeah, I mean it
makes it a lot more sense than this you know,
high falutin big word salad, scientific lingo and stuff they
throw that.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. What they're doing is crazy. I mean, there's
fifty thousand people a year are killing themselves in the
United States, year after year after year after year, and
a good many of them are on anti psychotic and
antidepressant drugs, so they kills certainly, Yeah, it's certainly not helping,
you know. So where where are those thoughts coming from
for these people to kill themselves? They don't. They never
ask that, you know, And and it's.
Speaker 2: Such an absurd idea to think about it in the
first place, the fact that any like, it's absurd that
people would have those thoughts because it's not it's obviously
not them, and like, well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but survival is the prime directive exactly to
the human being. You must survive. I mean, at all costs,
you must survive. And and here these guys are turning
on themselves, you know, and here's the psychiatric mafia going,
oh yeah, it's a chemical brain imbalance and they have
no control over it. You know, pull crap. You look
at what's happening in the mental health system worldwide. It's garbage.
I mean, people are killing themselves at horrendous rates. The
mental health centers are overflowing with mentally ill people. The
psych hospitals are overflowing. It's getting people, the prisons are overflowing,
and it's getting worse year after year after year. These
drugs are not curing anything. They don't want They don't
want this stuff cured. They make their money by treating
symptoms over and over and over again, you know, and
then they're looked. On top of that, they're ripping these
people off that can ill afford it. I mean, you
pay here in the United States eight hundred and two
thousand dollars for these antipsychotic drugs a month. Wow, you know,
you go across the border to Mexico, you can get
the same drugs manufactured by the same company for seventy
five dollars. That's how bad these god during drug companies
are ripping off the United State. It's population and it's
not just any psychology stabbing.
Speaker 3: You know, is that it cost you twenty thousand dollars
for a procedure, but if you go in with cash,
it cost you eight yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like and then they're asking, well, why
are the medical costs out of control? You know, it's
it's not's what they're doing it.
Speaker 2: You know, I would say this and this is a
cool subject, Jerry Efford, you mentioned this about war like
these entities. It's my belief the reason why they're doing
this stuff with the drugs is because they are They
are killing you, they're sacrificing you. You are a human
sacrifice and they're intentionally murdering people with these drugs because
it is another it's another sacrifice. Because death and killing
and murder and pain only suffering and torture, it creates
a negative environment. Yea, yeah, yep, and that negative environment
allows them to thrive. And so like the wars, every
I would say this right now. Every single war has
ever existed since you know, the beginning, has been basically
a human sacrifice ritual. Like every at least for the
last since Jesus came back. Every single war since Jesus
return or since Jesus was here has been a human
sacrifice ritual. They like because you and me people, we
don't want war. Who wants war? The elites? And why
do they want war? They you know, they may say, oh,
our crops or or our fields, or oh are they
bro They have all the money in the world. They
don't give a crap. They want war because they want death,
and the demons want that. Because the demons want they
want death, they want chaos. They want they want to
be able to traffic children, They want to be able
to freely do terrible, obscene atrocities. Do you know the
amount of atrocities that go on in places of wars?
So it is so terrible. I don't know if you
know this, but like the Vietnam War, they a bunch
of children were taken from their parents that were killed somehow,
and the children just were taken away. And did you
know that the Playboy bunnies, the bunny girls went over
to Vietnam and adopted all of these parentless children from
the Vietnam. But I think it was the Vietnam War
and brought them over here. Bro, a bunch of children
came home with Playboy bunny moms. What do you think
happened to those children. I'm very curious to know if
any of them, you know, how their life is.
Speaker 4: Well, you look at what's happening now with the child trafficking.
The US government is the biggest purveyor of child trafficking
on the planet.
Speaker 2: Yes, here's these All these.
Speaker 4: Kids from from Ukraine are missing. Yeah, you know, the
parts are being sold all over the place. And you
got what is it like, three hundred thousand kids have
gone missing. They have no idea where they are. All
they need is an address to send them to. That's
the biggest child trafficking gortel on the planet.
Speaker 2: The demons love the war. They I mean, the same
thing with our border. They said, they literally, Biden said,
if you leave your child, if we found a child
unattained at the border, guess what they might be given asylum.
And they promoted this all over the world. So all
these people just started leaving their children unattended and just
abandoning them. What do you think happened those children? Like
half of them are missing so far, Bro, They're just
being dropped off and they're being trafficked, they're being sold,
they're being murdered, they're being eaten, they're being raped. Who
knows what terrible things are being done to these children.
It is terrible. It's all evil. It's so. And enemy
demons love environments where the lucies they love these thriving
environments of death they love.
Speaker 4: They feed off of that. That's their food, that negative
emotional energy. Yeah, you dry that up and they start starving.
And that's kind of what the Mas energy method does.
It goes in there and it gets rid of the
trauma so and permanently gets rid of it. So it's
and it does that very quickly.
Speaker 3: So this thing you mentioned, this is a cure that
you have found that that's helped a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't work real well. Yeah, it's an energetic psychotherapy.
It works for most mental illnesses, but it doesn't do
real well with schizophrenics who are in the in the
deep stages, in the extreme stages. Because I've seen the
voices actually show up and block them from doing the
things they need to do for that therapy to work.
They can't concentrate, they can't think, they can't keep their
attention on what they're supposed to be doing. But for
a lot of the other stuff, it'll get rid of.
I mean I see it all the time, people who
are seventy five eighty years old. Something happened to them
when they were four years old, and they decided that
they were worthless, and they went through their entire life
feeling they were worthless. In one hour, that was gone
and it won't come back. So this stuff will actually
go into their subconds.
Speaker 3: Stuff work with like addiction and stuff like that too,
because that's a.
Speaker 4: I didn't believe that. They said it worked with alcoholism,
and I didn't believe it, you know, until I ran
into a girl that was alcoholic and she said, well,
I went back to drinking normally again.
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Speaker 4: Brian, you experienced that. What do you have to say
about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, I you know, I I think
it's I think it could be very powerful, I think honestly,
and like you know, I mean, I I do a
different method of forgiveness thing that I do and a
lot of different stuff as well. That is just like
kind of I just like let the Lord lead. So
the stuff that I do when I do deliverance is
always different. Sometimes I have to have people wash their
face like five times or something weird like, but it's
just like whatever the Lord tells me. But it, you know,
it kind of works. But as a method of forgiveness,
it works really good. And as a method of releasing trauma,
I'd say what Jerry's doing is is pretty good. I
think for anybody that's got any kind of trauma traumatic thing,
I think it could definitely help in there, you know,
in that department, because you know, having a demon doesn't
necessarily mean like that you it doesn't necessarily mean the
trauma is the demon. Sometimes you need to heal the
trauma for the demon to leave, and so sometimes you
need to you have to heal the damage for the
demon to break its hold because it's got this lie
running cycles in your mind. And so Jerry's method that
he's working, I think seems to be pretty pretty i'd
say Christian safe and psychologically, like, I think it's good.
I think it's a good psychological kind of clears your
mind from whatever thing you're dealing with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even if you get rid of the voices,
then that you still have the traumatic damage done by them, Yeah,
and a lot of that is buried subconsciously. So this system,
it's an energetic psychotherapy. You know, your spirit is energy,
your mind is energy, your thoughts are energy, your memory
is energy. You know these things or does the demons
are energy? They're energetic. They can go into the victim's mind,
they can pull up every rotten thing they've ever done
and rub it in their face until they get them upset,
and then they feed off of that negative emotional energy
that they generate from that mm. Once you get that
stuff out of there, they can't they can't go in
there and stir it up anymore. It's gone.
Speaker 3: It does leave you ain't got no food in your
cupvered right, But.
Speaker 4: It does have trouble with you know, some of them,
the moderate to severe schizophrenics. I mean, it doesn't work
real well with them. But with with people who are
hearing voices and have a good bit of control, I've
seen the voices disappear.
Speaker 3: Now have you seen somebody like Brian that you know
that does exorcism and stuff like that work with somebody
with these I've.
Speaker 4: Seen Brian do that on videos that those are the
kind of guys I don't want to mess with Brian.
Brian's like the heavyweight.
Speaker 3: You know, get actually down at yourself or or being
in the room with it, or.
Speaker 4: I have gotten rid of voices by interfering with the
patterns that they run. Okay, So that's one of the
things I've discovered working at the State hospital. One of
the first patterns I saw was that they were consistently negative,
all right. They were they were derogatory, they were insulting,
they were abusive, they were destructive, you know, consistently so,
so here's the psychiatric mafia saying, Uh, these things are
hallucinations are all over the place, these things are consistently negative.
That's a pattern. You know what holds them to that pattern?
Why aren't they random? Why aren't they all over the place?
That was one of the big questions they should be
or hallucinations they should be. So that's one of the
first things I saw. And while I was questioning these
guys at the State hospital, the voices in one of
them got upset and he went and he told one
of the psychiatrists that I was asking him questions about
his voices and he didn't like that. Next morning, I
found myself in the psychiatric Psychiaochiastri's office and he was like,
you will not ask patients about what the voices are
telling them. What you're doing is you're reinforcing their hallucinations
and you're making them worse. And I knew that was
a bunch of crap to start with, but you can't
argue with these guys.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: And at the same time they would tell me and
like when I worked with these people, they would train
us to go along with the fantasies, they would tell us.
So this was years ago. It might changed, but like
you know, back then, they told us. If they're talking
to themselves and they say, hey, do you hear that
or something your space? Oh yeah, but I wouldn't worry
about it, you know, you just that's just with their
fantasy and the opposite of.
Speaker 4: What should be doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that affirms their their delusion, and then it
makes them even more confused as individuals. Like long term,
if you go along with half of what they're they
they won't be able to tell the difference between what's
real and fake. If you do that to them, it
will literally.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah people, Yes, Well, like you guys were saying though,
the psychiatric mafia, they want to just conceal and mask
and keep everything just moving along. So that's what they
told us to do. Just go along with their fantasies.
Don't excite them, get them mad, Just go to some point.
Speaker 4: They have to realize that what they're hearing is not them.
It does not belong to them, that this is something
coming in from the outside. It's not it's not who
they are, and the voices want them to believe that
what they're hearing is them, it's their mind. And I've
had prisoners that would ask them, they who are you?
What are you? You know? And they would say, we
are you. They wanted the client to believe that the
voices they were hearing were who they were, because you know,
we all think from you know, just assume that if
you hear it in your head it belongs to you.
That's bad wrong.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Manuel Swedenborg, Christian mystic, lived three hundred years ago. He says,
none of your thoughts are yours. They either come in
from heaven or they come in from hell.
Speaker 2: And I would agree with that to some degree, like
because the reality is it's like it says every good
and perfect gift comes from the Lord in the Bible,
and so it literally means like if you do a
good thing, that means like the Lord's the one that
put that good idea in your head to do that
good thing. Let's say you gave somebody twenty dollars. That
wasn't you, That was the Lord influencing you to do
that thing. You're just the agreer. You're the one that
accepts the idea that pops into your mind. So even
and all the bad ideas in the same vein are
not you either. Those are just demons talking to you,
giving you these influence and you don't and if you
listen to them. And that's the sad part. A lot
of people think that their thoughts are themselves right. And
when you think that, when you think that your negative
thoughts are you, it makes you feel like a terrible person.
It makes you feel like a bad person, makes you
feel like you're dirty or worthless, and it's literally demons
talking to you. And that's the biggest problem.
Speaker 3: Well, Jesus even told Peter, you know, when Jesus was
coming down off of the mount was headed to Jerusalem
to the cross. You know, if Peter tried to talk
him out of it, and what did he say, you
behind you.
Speaker 2: Know, not what you are speaking of, and it says
that's out in his head, you know, yep. And he
said get the behind me, saying for you do not
have the concerns of God in mind, but merely human concerns.
And that even tells you more that even the human
concerns can seem like human concerns can also be demonic.
That's another another level to that.
Speaker 4: So you look at the background of schizophrenics and and
virtually all of them have been massively physically, sexually, or
emotionally abused. So it's already there. The lucia is already there.
They can smell that like a shark smells blood. And
they move in on these people. It's like wolves going
after the weakest of the pack. They go in there
and they pour gasoline on the fire and then they
move in on them. And if they're using meth, meth
just opens you up, like it's the worst.
Speaker 3: I've seen the shadow people and heard the voices after
being up for six seven days I've experienced at first,
and yeah, it's a demonic.
Speaker 4: Did you ever see that. You ever see their eyes? No?
Speaker 3: I always just seen shadow figures. They'd be the trees
or walking across the highway, But I just see apparitions.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The prisoners call them that the tree people because
they would see him in the trees all the time,
you know. Clinically, if they saw their eyes, I would
note that they were they were much more severe than
the average Matthews or who didn't see their eyes. And
if they saw their eyes, their eyes were either lime
green or red.
Speaker 2: You know. I noticed something else as well, Jerry, I
don't know if you'd notice this one. But not only
if they don't, if they don't perceive them as shadow people,
because I've noticed it for me, from what I can tell,
is that they go from shadow person to recognizing their
eyes to seeing like like goat men or like actually,
it's like those are the phases that I've noticed that
I've personally been able to identify. I haven't. I haven't
fully depicted that. It was like, you know, if there
was a progression, but there are people that literally I
dealt with a guy who saw he said, it looks
like a man but has a goat head, and he
like would see that, And so it was beyond the
shadow people recognition. It was beyond just recognizing that.
Speaker 4: I've never heard that. I mean, it was like.
Speaker 2: I've only had I've dealt with I've only dealt with
like maybe about three people that start to see them
as entities. And they they say they've got like like
animal human things.
Speaker 4: I've never I've never heard that, but I've heard them
take different forms. But they were still shadows. So they're
like shadows that are darker than the rest of the room. Yeah,
you turn the light on, they're gone. They can go
through the walls. I've never I've never heard them speak
to anybody. I've never heard of them harming anybody physically
except scaring them half to death. The Native Americans called
them the watchers, and I'm not I don't know what
they are exactly done, Brian, do you have any idea
what those shadow people are? What are they? Yes?
Speaker 2: So, the Watchers I believe are different than the voices
that people hear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are. I can tell you that they're different.
They're not the same.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think they I don't think they work
the same because the the shadow people never talk to
the people that I've noticed, they don't talk to them.
They may sometimes coincide, but usually they're like one will
appear and it will be different than the other ones.
So like when people see the shadow people, it's funny
that you mentioned the Native people calling them the watchers.
So like, from my perspective of what they are is
actually the descendants of what are called the watchers. They're
actually they're actually disembodied Nephelem spirits. So they're the half
angel human spirits. Yeah, so they're basically Biblically, there was
the angels came down and they slept with women, and
when they had children, their spirits were half angel human giants,
and these beings existed in the world. Then they physically
had physical bodies, and in the Book of Enoxys, when
their bodies die, their spirits will forever remain on the
earth and be referred to as evil spirits. So these things. Yeah, yeah,
So the the shadow people, I don't believe because the
shadow people, I've you know, I've heard maybe like one
or two stories where the shadow person actually tried to
reach out to the person, but for the most part,
they just watch. They just kind of like sit back
and look at the person and so like and there,
and it's utterly terrified. I've seen you, I've seen yeah,
and they're just observing you. And it's not like they're
it's not like you do feel malevolent. They do feel evil,
they feel terrifyingly evil, but it's not like they are
doing anything per se that's there.
Speaker 3: It's just for their friends, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so so I've noticed though, like because when
when I was a child, I would hear voices actually
talk to me, and I also saw a shadow person
when I was a child, and then and then I
got prayed for it, and then it never came back.
And I talk about this in my movie, My Ancient
Angels documentary. I talk about this experience that I had,
but the but like I would also hear voices, and
then I saw the shadow person. But there was no
correlation between the two for me, and but the shadow
person was utterly terrifying, and so I had a study.
I studied every text to figure out what the shadow
person was, because somebody originally told me it was a demon.
And I was like, well, what's a demon? And they're like, well,
demons are these evil entities. And I'm like I'm like,
and they're against God. And I'm like, well, I would
have never gone to church had I not seen this thing.
So I was like, that's kind of a counterproductive demon.
I was like, pretty dumb, because like, if he never appeared,
I would have never like gone searching for God. I
would have just stayed like ignorant of it all. So
I was like, that's stupid explanation, Like it's not a demon,
that's dumb. That's literally what I thought. And so when
I started reading into the Book of Enoch and found
this explanation for these entities that once had a physical
body but lost their physical body and were stuck in
this reality. They became the shadow people. So the shadow
people are the leftover of half angel humans that are
that are stuck in this realm of existence. They're forever
hungry and they can't eat. They're for every thirsty, and
they can't drink. They are in visible, but they can see,
and they are permanently stuck here in this reality, walking
amongst us, and they don't know, they can't do anything.
And so some of them they work with demons. I've
learned that they've Those shadow people tend to communicate or
work with the demons that people hear in their voices
in their head. But they're not they're not the same thing.
There's some kind of other entity that I that. This
is just my perspective of this anyways.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, how'd you how did you find out that
they work with demons?
Speaker 2: Well, I assume that they worked with demons because most
people that can hear voices will also experience seeing them.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and that doesn't mean they're in kuhots.
Speaker 2: You're right, I could be totally wrong. That's me making
an assumption, but I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, but I had one one intiment that this was.
So I've spoken to scores of mathematics, you know, in
the prison, in the in the hospitals and the emergency rooms,
and then there was one one night, it was Christmas
Eve that I drew the shift and in the emergency
room for psyche crisis that night, and uh, you know,
by then, I'd seen scores of meth users and the
worst ones would see their eyes and the eyes would
either be red or lime green. They were never any
other color. They were red or lime green. So it
was pretty quiet night, it was Christmas Eve, and I
didn't want to be there. And incomes that there were,
there were nobody coming in incomes. This one guy shaking
like a leaf. He just could not stop shaking. He's
just shaking the whole time. And you know, I was
the only sight there, so I had to evaluate him
and brought him in. And he had been using injecting
meth injecting, not just snorting, injecting for ten years, and
that caught my attention right away. He should have been
dead five years ago, and I'm like, what's this guy
still doing alive? You know? So this is probably the
longest lived methadic that I had ever run into. And
I'm like curious right away, why is he still alive?
And I started asking him questions. I said, uh, you know,
do you ever see the shadow people? And he goes, yeah,
I see them all the time. I said, do you
ever see their eyes? He said yeah. I said what color?
And he said lime green, I think he said. And
then I said, uh, just just out of you know,
because I knew and like you said, Doc, they never talk.
They never talk. I've never spoken to I've spoken to
scores of people who've seen them. None of them ever
said they speak or said anything. So just out of curiosity,
I asked this guy, I said, did you did you
ever hear him speak? And he said, oh, yeah, I
hear him speak. And I'm like, well, what do they
sound like? And he said he mimicked this really high
pitched squeal that just gave me shivers just with him
trying to mimic it.
Speaker 2: It's like the thing this reapers from the Lord of
the Rings the Ring Rates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty much. It was ghosts. You remember
at the end they come up and grab that bad
man back. Remember that the ghosts Patrick Swayzey. But these
big shadow creatures come out, but they're growling. They're like,
grab that guy and pull him down into hail for
all of his dirty deeds at the end of the movie.
Speaker 4: You know, the closest thing I could put it through
is like when you screech your fingers on the blackboard,
you know. That's the kind of that's the kind of
feel I got from it. And then I went to
ask him another question, and as I did, his eyes
turned black, you know, and I could feel this, this
this deep dark It was hatred. I mean it was
it was such intense hatred. I've never felt such hatred
in my life, you know. And I'm looking into those
eyes and they were like black pools that just went forever,
and it was no longer this guy. I mean, that
was something else looking back at me. And it really
gave me the willies. One thing I learned working with
psychotics is you can't show fear. So I had to
sit there and steer at those eyes with that hatred.
I mean, it was just this cold, burning hatred like
I've never experienced in my life. And it stayed there
for like twenty seconds, you know, twenty five seconds and
just staring at that and the feeling it gave me
is like, I've never experienced such intense hatred. So apparently
whatever that was in there didn't like me asking questions,
but I had to, you know, if he heard them speak,
I wanted to hear what they had to say. Asked
him that and he said, well, they told me to
go out to the highway and jump in front of
cars and that I wouldn't be hurt. And I said, well,
what'd you do? He said, I went out to the
road and I jumped in front of a car. I
got hit. I got knocked off to the side of
the road. He said. When he came to there was
a ring of these shadow people standing around him and
they said, get up, you're okay, and he said, I
got up and I was okay, and then he said
they told me to go do it again. He said,
I did it again. I was hit, same thing happened,
you know. I got up and I was okay, And
I'm like, wow, that's a wild story. So I went
to ask him another question, and then that thing came
back again, and I'm like, oh my, haven't you know
I hate this. I can't hate dealing with this. I
don't want to, but I couldn't go anywhere. I had
to steer this thing in the eye, and this time
it was more furious and more there was more hatred
than before. But I had to sit there and steer
this thing in the face until it disappeared again. Once
it disappeared, he went right back to shaking again. But
while he was, while he those eyes were looking at me,
he was calm, no shaking whatsoever. He was just stark still.
If that freaked me out, So after have you After
the second question, I went, I can't deal with this anymore.
I let him. I let him go, and I wrote
up what I needed to write up to admit him,
and in about five minutes the nurse, the psyche nurse,
came in and she goes, I can't deal with this guy.
What you get. I'm going to write my report from
what you've got, and we admitted him to the hospital.
But that was the spookiest thing I've seen with with
regard to the shadow people. And I don't know whether
that was them or not. I don't know what that
was looking through his eyes, but boy, it was as
evil as I've ever experienced. It was spooky. It was
really spooky.
Speaker 2: I've seen the eyes of a person. It's like their
pupil goes so black white and out over their their
iris the outside it's at the center of their itis
goes and then it's like all that's left is the
black of their eyeballs.
Speaker 3: Yes, And that's what happens. The higher you get that,
the more dilated pupils get, and you can you'll go
to the bathroom you might have just a sliver of
color on the outside used to be all pupiled out.
Speaker 2: Really that yeah, bro, Yeah, I didn't know that, but
I've seen it.
Speaker 3: When you can watch somebody hit a pipe or take
a line and and just look straight in the mirror
and you can watch it really dilate and open.
Speaker 2: Whoa. Yeah, you see it though, when you're talking to
somebody like and they've got.
Speaker 3: To tell you. I tell you can catch a functional
meth addict.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: There's some people that are high functioning meth addicts, you know,
I mean they do just enough to get them going
and not get you know, over the cuckoo nesk. But
if you sit there and talk with them, they're really hyper,
really energetic at their pupils will tell on them every time.
They like like they're normal, like like we are now,
but when you look in their eyes, man, it's fifty
to seventy five percent pupil because they're on that's dope,
and that dope dilates their eyes.
Speaker 2: That's fascinating. I just know that when we when I'm
dealing with stuff, I've dealt with praying for people and
all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it's like and
the person may not be on drugs, like out of nowhere.
It was like I remember praying for one guy and
he was just like totally like fine, and all of
a sudden, his face was just like, yeah, I'm really good.
I'm really good. And also in his face is and
then the eye just and you're like and then it's
like mad and you're like, oh hello, like and bro,
you feel it.
Speaker 4: You feel it, Bro, you feel it.
Speaker 2: It's pretty terrifying, to be completely honest, it's scary.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is like, uh, you know, demons
smell fear. They smell it. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah
you mentioned that. And they also smell a few other things.
I've noticed. They smell blood. They can literally smell blood,
and so this is this is really interesting. Like a
lot of people kids will like cut themselves, you know
that cutters, Yeah, the cutter bro it's attracting them. They
will literally be cutting themselves and that's the scent of
blood literally attracts demons and they go in through the wound,
through the trauma, through the cut, and they will inhabit
the individual like they'll get into the person, like through
the blood, and they can smell rot and they get
smell decay. Okay, so they smell death, rot, decay blood
and like they can they can. It's like the best
way to describe it. And fear. These are the things
that I've noticed the demons smell and they will almost
always like people think like, oh, my house has got
black mold in it and I got some sickness. No, dude,
your house has got black mold in it, and you
attracted demons and they smell the black mold. They can
smell it, and they show up and then they start
affecting the person, and the demon will start affecting the person.
That's why when you clear out the black mold, the
sickness goes away. But sometimes the sickness won't go away.
But another thing about the thing about black mold is
like the sicknesses and the responses from people that have
black mold are so across the board it doesn't make
any sense. Like they'll have like like joint pain, but
then they'll have like bad dreams and headaches, and you'll
have like all these different things from black mold. It's
literally just rotten decay, and demons are attracted to it,
and they smell it and they will show up. They
will show up at a certain situations, certain environments. That's
why it's like you think of a trap house. It's
always like disgusting rotted old, like these kind of things.
Like demons love that stuff. They love hoarding, they love
hoarders homes. Okay, bro, if you have a house and
there's like hoarding going on, demons love that stuff. They
love it. It's like it creates rotten spaces for rotten
decay to exist. So anyway, it's another thing I've noticed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that all of that subject so here here here,
I am at the State hospital looking. I saw that
one pattern, the negativity. The second one that shows up.
I had a pace come in one day, he says,
he was hearing voices. He said, I prayed the twenty
third Psalm, and he said the voices reacted like worms
thrown on a high hot frying pan when he prayed
the twenty third song. And I said, well, that's interesting,
you know. So I didn't never took the word of
just one or two schizophrenics. I check it out, you know.
And so I started handing out the twenty third Psalm
to schizophrenics on my caseload, and every single one of
them said the voices reacted negatively to them repeating the
twenty third Psalm. So I started questioning them about what
happened when they went to church, and it turned out
there were like three levels. If if they were the
voices were weak when they went to church, they shut
up when they got in there. If they were moderate strength,
they would kick up and they'd start screaming and blocking
out what the preacher was saying, so the person there
couldn't hear what they were saying. They'd say stuff like
Jesus couldn't even save himself, what makes you think he's
going to save you? And if they were really infested
with real strong demons, they would get it. They would
run them right out of the church. They'd get up
and run out of the church. And this was after
questioning scores of schizophrenics. It seemed like there were those
three categories, you know there so they were anti religious.
I mean, they didn't like them reading the Bible. They
didn't like them praying, They didn't like the Lord's Prayer.
They didn't like you know, Psalm ninety one. They didn't
like them going to the preachers of ice cream socials
at the psych hospital. And then that's where I first
noticed it, is that when the preacher was giving these
ice cream socials and the auditorium at the state hospital,
the only people left on the word were the schizophrenics.
They were laying in bed reading monster magazines or war
stories or murder mysteries, stuff like that negative stuff. I
noticed that first, and then the second time it happened,
there they were again. And the third time I said, well,
why aren't you down with the rest of them. Why
the free ice cream cake that's hard to come by here.
You know, they go, well, I don't like preachers, or
there is no God. I've prayed to him a lot
of times and he never helped me. You know, they
didn't want anything to do with religion or people. So
the voices were anti religious. So why would a hallucination
be anti religious? You know, hallucinations are supposed to be random,
they're all over the place. Why would they be negative?
Why would they be anti religious? The next stuff pattern
I saw. Now, all these patterns are on my website
at Jerrymarzinski dot com. So if you're working with schizophrenics
or you have one in your family, go there. You
can see these for yourself. This is the operational definition
of what these demons are and how they behave and
how they react and what they do. It's kind of
like operational definition of electricity. You know, you can't see
the electricity, but you can see what it does. Or
you can't see gravity, but you can see what it does. Right,
So this is like the gravity of the schizophrenic world.
You know. The third thing they do is they foster
and they create negative emotion. We've been talking about that.
Like Brian said, they can smell negative emotion. They can
smell people who've been badly psychologically injured, and they come
there and they actually start pouring gasoline on the on
the fire. So they remind me of sharks in the ocean,
that they can smell blood, they can smell people who
are wounded, and they come and they attack them, and
then they get them to generate that negative emotional energy.
They try to get them thrown into prison, because prison
is a very negative environment. It's full of paranoia, it's
full of fear, it's full of hatred, it's full of buffet.
They run the place. So Sherry Sweeney, my co author
of this book, here she was hearing voices and she said, uh,
one day she was sending reiki positive energy into the
prison and this black cloud appeared in front of her
like a tornado, and it said, these these prisoners are mine.
You have no business doing this. Yeah, and that's the
second one I heard that was like that, you know
where this black cloud appeared and basically told them to
back off.
Speaker 3: M So did she?
Speaker 4: She didn't. She didn't back off. She kept going. She
kept going. I didn't back off either. They energetically drained
their victims. Also, so the schizophrenics are so messed up
they don't feel that happening to them. But when you
bring it up to them and say listen, every time
the voices come, your energy drops down to nothing, doesn't it.
You know, then they have to think about it because
they feel so bad and they go, well, yeah, it
does that happens consistently, they will the voices show up
their energy leaves. So these things are energetic vampires. They
are kind of like the Draculas of the spiritual world.
I think that's why Dracula movies are so scary, because
these things exist at a spiritual.
Speaker 3: Level, physical level, not that long ago ortal.
Speaker 4: Are so I don't know if they're just.
Speaker 3: Theol vampire, yeah, but you.
Speaker 4: Know it has its spiritual counterpart, right, you know, which
which does exist. So I have like twenty three of
these patterns that that they run over and over and
over consistently. And what I was doing back then I
could I couldn't really do a lot of recent search
in the state hospital because the psychiatrists ran the place,
and if I got caught again, I'd be in bad trouble.
They'd already warned me not to do this, So I
had to really put it in first gear and drop
down to low gear and just kind of keep it
very safe, very quiet, not push anything. But one thing
I did learn is, and this was important, is that
the psychiatrists at that hospital were getting beat up by
schizophrenics at a rate that was higher than any other
staff members, and it was equal to that of the
attendant staff who were on the wards with these schizophrenics
twenty four hours a day, and they were only seeing
people for twenty minutes a month. So I'm like, what
are they doing? What are they saying in twenty minutes
a month? That's causing these people, the schizophrenics to attack them.
And it was like, you know, like every other month
you were hearing about a psychiatrist who was attacked by
a schizophrenic and got beat up. You know. It's like,
what's called on here? I had no idea. I didn't know.
So what I was working for was the Department of
Vocation Rehabilitation then, and we were trying to find the
highest functioning schizophrenics in the hospital, train them into a trade,
and get them out of the hospital so they had work.
But they would eventually go off of their medications, you know,
and and it's like that was weird. So I started
asking them question why are you why are you doing that?
And they'd say, well, the side effects were awful, you know,
which was true. So I went, well, that that doesn't
explain at all, because the psychosis is worse than the
side effects. You know, you're seeing monsters, you're hearing things,
you're having a ghost talk in your ear, you're feeling rotten,
you can if you have scratches on your back. You know,
all this all of a sudden, you look at the DSM,
the psychiatric Bible, and you'll see all these nasty traits
of what it's like to be psychotic. It's awful. It's
a living nightmare. It's much worse than the side effects
of these drugs. So I started asking everybody who went
off their meds once they were back on their meds,
and they were saying, again, why'd you go off their meds?
The first answer was the side effects are awful, you know,
so okay, granted, what side effects did you experience? Because
they didn't all experience the same side effects, They've experienced
different ones, and they'd come up with four or five.
And then I had a check sheet of all these
nasty psychological symptoms of being psychotic. You know, the voices,
the you know, the nightmares, being attacked, having you being scratched,
the paranoia, I mean, just the whole page of these things,
and I'd hand them that. I said, check all these
factors of being psychotic that you've experienced, and they did.
And then I'd hand them both sheets and I said,
which one's worst. One hundred percent of them said being
psychotic in a psychotic state was worse than taking the meds.
And then I'd ask them, well, then, why don't you
stop taking the meds? Their answer was consistently, I don't know.
Three years of I don't know, and I kept asking them.
I felt like a crazy guy myself, asking the same question,
getting the same answer over and over again, hoping that
I would get a different answer one day. So what
happened back then? The only thing we had back then
was these drugs, and that's what they were using for
every mental illness. I mean these drugs. So there was
one gal who was taking cosmetology classes and she was
making good grades, she was doing well. She was taking
her meds, but she had already gone off her meds twice.
If she went off from again, she would be discharged.
So here she is, coming up on graduation. The voices
got her to go off the meds. She went psychotic
in the cosmetology school. Had to go out there and
drag her out of there because she was cursing everybody
and raining and raving and just all over the place.
She was completely psychotic, so I had to bring her
to the psychiatrist, got her drugged again. Once she reconstituted
and was back to normal, i'd ask her. She was
told we were going to discharge her because she went
off to meds the third time. So I called her
mother and I said, we're discharging her. She had three chances.
She went off her med the third time. She's not
going to stay on her meds when we release her,
so we're going to have to discharge her. And her
mother just virtually begged me, don't do that. I can't
handle her. I can't I don't know what to do
with her here. Please don't discharge. I'll come up there
and we'll find out why she went off for meds.
And I said, I felt bad for her, so I said, okay,
all right, come on up next Friday. So she comes
up next Friday. We bring the girl in and both
of us are or honor close the door. Why did
you go off your meds? You knew you were going
to be discharged, You knew you weren't going to get
your cosmetology certificate, then your license. You knew you were
going to lose at all. Why did you go off
your meds? A third time, she goes, you won't believe me,
and I said, well, try me. I've heard some really
strange stuff since i've been here. I don't think you're
going to tell me anything that's going to throw me
out of killed her and she says, because the voices
told me that the psychiatrists were poisoning me. And they
pointed to the side effects of the drugs as the
side effects of being poisoned. And that was true. She
was in a way being poisoned, and the voices said,
these are the side effects of being poisoned. The psychiatrist
is trying to poison you. That explained why psychiatrists were
getting beat up at the rate they were, because here's
the voices telling these guys, he's poisoning it.
Speaker 3: You are trying to kill you.
Speaker 4: Yes, yep, that explained it right there. That was the
best explanation I've ever seen it. I've ever seen you know.
So that's that's one of the big things I learned
about in the in the psych hospital. After seven years.
But when I when I left there after the PhD program,
ended up working in the psychology department of a large
state prison here in Arizona. Now it was full of
schizophrenics because they had closed down all the all the
state hospitals, so these people had nowhere to go. They
couldn't hold a job. They weren't going to go to
a mental health center and go through all the trouble.
They needed to to go take these toxic drugs, so
they were out on the streets and the only thing
they could do is use drugs and sell drugs and
rob people. That's how they survived, you know. So the
prison was full of these guys, and I was like,
oh my god, here I am back back there again.
It was like the Lord grabbed me and said, hey,
you've had your break, you've had your little stint in
graduate school. Now get back in there. And it threw
me back in there with them again. All right. So
I already knew what I learned from the state hospital
in there and picked up from there, but I didn't
have any interference in the prison with asking them whatever
I wanted to ask them. So if one of those
one of the prisoners went up to the warden and said, Oh,
the psych is asking me questions about the voices, and
I don't like it. You know that the warden is
going to get out of here, go play into traffic, man,
go run around, go out, get out of here. You know,
that wouldn't even break the level of concern for anything.
I mean, it just it wouldn't. It would be like
background noise. It wouldn't be like in the state hospital
where that was a big thing. You don't do that,
you know. So what I did is form these groups
of schizophrenics who would tell me in real time what
the voices were telling them. Right, So I had I
had like a window into their psychosis. And for a
period of time I was actually carrying on conversations with
these things, talking to them, walking them into the light,
and they were disappearing. And then I got this real
strong feeling that I shouldn't be doing that, you know,
So I backed off that and kept studying these patterns.
So I'm like, Okay, what can I do? What would
happen if I started interfering with these patterns, you know,
throwing roadblocks and throwing monkey wrenches into these patterns? What
would happen? And I started doing that I gave these
guys assignments and I would see them once a week
and I said, come back next week and tell me
how the voice has reacted to what you were doing.
Twenty third psalm was one of those things. The ninety
first psalm was another one. Calling them liars was another one.
You know, So all these different things to counter what
they were saying, and one after another they would show
up back and they go, the voices don't want me
coming here. They don't like you, they don't like what
you're doing. They don't want me to participate with this.
They say you're a crazy man, and not they have
anything to do with you. One after another, you know.
And that happened for years because I always had a
group in the prison. They would change, but I always
had a group of twelve to sixteen prisoners who were
willing to tell me in real time what the voices
were telling them. And the patterns were the same. They
were negative, they were anti religious. They foster and create
negative emotion. They energetically drained their victim. They got louder
after sunset, they got louder when ignored. So the psychiatrists
were telling them, oh, they're just hallucinations. Just ignore them. No,
and I bring them in. I said, how'd that work
for you? Is it not? Well, they got louder. So
if they tried to ignore them, they got louder, they
got more persistent, you know. So that was funk. And
it just went on and on. They foster self destructive behavior,
they foster isolation, they demand the attention. It just goes
on and on. For twenty three of them. Go to
my website at Jerry Marzinski dot com, go to articles.
They're all there. Okay, So some of them started recovering. Okay,
and then one of them came in one day after
I had got them working with him. He was getting
slowly getting better, and he turns around in the doorway
and he says, you know what you're doing is dangerous,
don't you? And that never crossed my mind. I'm thinking, well,
they're stuck in their heads. They're not stuck in my head.
You know, I can't feel them, I can't see them.
You know, I'm not worried about it. But that was
like a shot across the bow. I kind of took
that and just filed it in the back of my mind,
going that was interesting. I didn't say anything. He didn't
say anything more, and I just I just went, Okay,
that's something to be noted. And the next thing that
happened is one of these guys, let me see. He
came in and he knocked on my door and he
didn't have a pass, so I don't know how he
got into the medical unit. So he made his way
into my office, knocked on the door and I was
surprised to see him without a pass. And he says,
the voices want to talk to you. They want to
talk to me personally. He said, yeah, they want to
talk to you personally. That had never happened before in
twenty five years of working with these people. That had
never happened. It was always, you know, I would tell
the patient what to tell the voices. The patient would
tell me what the voices were saying. So it always
go through the patient. This was a direct communication and
I closed the door, got him and sit down, Well
what do they have to say? And even up to
that point, I didn't believe they were demons. I didn't
want to believe they were demons. I was in denial.
My denial system was in shatters. I mean it was tattered.
It was just hanging together with duct tape and frigging
you know, glue. I mean, it was just it was,
and it was about to collapse.
Speaker 3: I already had a blouse. It's hanging on by three.
Speaker 4: Hanging on by a thread, you know. And so I
asked the guy said, well, what do they have to say?
These words came out of his mouth. You have no
right to interfere with our way of life. Boom. Right away.
I knew that was them, you know, our way of life.
And here's the prisoner saying, that's not me, that's them.
Those those words didn't come from me. They came from them,
you know. And and he was serious. I could tell
he wasn't lying, you know, working in the prison, you
can tell when somebody's lying to you pretty quick after
a while. And he goes, I didn't say that they
said it. And I said, well, tell them this, and
he said, I don't have to tell him anything. They
can hear what you say. They can they can see you.
I don't have to tell them anything. And that struck me.
It's like I didn't know that, you know, I didn't
know they could see and hear me. I thought they
could only see and hear what the guy was telling them.
So that blew me away. So my head just like
it was outer the limits time. Do do do do? Do?
Do do doo. It was at that point after probably
it's probably around twenty five years or more, that I
finally came to the realization that these things were not
some sigment of their subconscious mind. They were not a
biochemical imbalance, they were not a genetic anything. This was
a spiritual entity who could think and speak and was
coherent and could be logical, you know, and was speaking
directly to me and warning me away, you know. So
that blew my mind. It was just h do do
do do? Do? Do? Do? Do? Like, so I closed
my office after I didn't see anybody the rest of
the day. I was just staring out the window, just
with that realization. It's like, where is this going? You know?
I didn't have any uh uh cognitive map about how
to deal with demons or these spirits. I didn't you know.
It's like I knew they existed, but I never thought
that I would be interacting with them or dealing with them. Yeah,
it was like, you know, all those years that they
I went through all this, you know, what is it?
Four five, six, seven, eight years of higher education undergraduate
and graduate school never mentioned anything about the voices other
than they were auditory hallucinations. M h, this is a
whole different level. They're not even they're not even cognizant
in this. They're not even on the same page. They're
not in the same universe. You know. They're just blowing
these things off and they're not in Yeah, because because
they say so, you know. So it didn't end there.
I was reading a book by Miguel Rouiz calls The
Voice of Knowledge, and he was talking about something similar
to these. He was a shaman and he was also
speaking and saying they are energy vampires also. So I
brought that book in. I outlined that that that paragraph,
and I brought one of these guys in and I said,
I was always asking him questions. I said, I brought
something in. I want to read you, and I'd like
your opinion on it, okay, And I started reading, and
I think this might have been the same guy that
gave me the warning. I started reading and I got
to the poor part where they were he said they
were energetic vampires. And then I'm looking at this guy
for an answer, and he just turned into a zombie.
He's just staring at me, and I'm like, what's going
on with him? And so he's going to attack, So
I pushed my chair against the wall just in case
he did. And then this loud electrical crackling exploded from
behind my head and it started moving on the wall
toward the right hand wall, and I'm like, what the
blazes is that? And then it just started crackling up
the right wall at a forty five degree angle for
the ceiling, and I'm like, what is that. I couldn't
see anything, I didn't smell anything, but I could hear
it and it was moving. So I look at him
and I said, do you hear that? And he doesn't answer.
He's just staring at me with this you know, like look,
you know, it's like this zombie like look. He's just
staring at me. And that thing continues all the way
up to the ceiling and then it crosses the office
up in the back of the room at the ceiling
where the crease came together, and I could see him
and I could I could kind of frack where that
sound is. At the same time, because I was halfway
expecting him to get up an attack. So it's here.
It comes down the left hand wall and it jumps
into this rubber made trash cane right next to my
left leg, and I bend over and I look in
there and there's nothing there. There's not even a sheet
of paper in there, due made porter had cleaned it
the night before. There's nothing there except the crackling. And
then when I look down there, this is just boom,
just like that, it disappears, that's gone, and I'm in shock,
and I'm like, what is going on here? And he
slowly gets up and he goes, I gotta leave, and
he shuffles out of the office, and I'm like, he says,
get out of here, go.
Speaker 2: Go, I gotta leave a little closer to your mouth, Jerry.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right? So he says I gotta leave. And
I was immensely really that he was leaving you. And
I get I get up. After he left, I get
up and I I searched the walls. I'm looking at
the walls, I look at the ceiling. I look at
there were no burn marks, you know, there was no smell,
there was no smoke, there was no you know. It's
like I'm thinking, I'm going psychotic. You know, I'm I'm
getting battye I. I can't explain any of this, you know,
it made no sense. It was like what just happened?
And where is this all going? I didn't call him
back for two to three months, you know, I was.
I was like, I don't want to see him again.
So I think it was like three months. I finally
put out a pass for him to come back to
the office and he comes back and he's looking good.
I mean, he looks good. He's got good energy, he
doesn't look depressed. You know. I said, what, you're looking good,
I'm surprised. He goes, why are you surprised? He said,
I'm doing what you told me. They're not getting any worse,
but I'm not getting any better. So it's like a
Mexican standoff, you know. And I said, come on and
sit down, and we did some small talk, and I said,
do you remember the last time you were in here?
Said did you hear that crackling? And he said, yeah,
I heard it, but I'm surprised you did. So I was.
I was immensely relieved that he heard it, that somebody
else beside me he did, yeah, and he us you know,
he told me that. He said he he hears it periodically,
it doesn't last as long, but when it does happen
and he's with somebody, he just ignores it. And and
and just like it didn't happen, and and uh, you know,
if anybody asked him about it, he said, I didn't
hear anything, you know, but this went on for minutes.
I mean, it wasn't like it just a little blurb
that you could explain away. This went on for a
long time, you know. And uh, you know, I asked
him about it. I said, uh, what was that? He said,
that was them? I said them who? He said, the voices?
I said, what in the blazes were they doing? He
said they were trying to scare you away. And I said, well,
they did a damn good job of it. And uh h,
I said, I asked him. What did I ask him next? Oh?
It was uh? I said, you've really looked weird when
this was happening. And when you got up, I mean
you you you you look. What were the voices telling
you when you got up and left my office? You
said they were telling me to go get a shank
and stick it in your gut. And I was thinking well,
he wouldn't do that. I've been working with him for
six months. You know, he's he's in better shape than
he'd been when he was on the outside. He was
getting better. And I'm like, he wouldn't do that. And
I asked him, well, why didn't you do it? His
response was, I couldn't find one and nobody would give
me one. So I'm like, do do do do?
Speaker 2: That's just right there. I think that that just goes
to show that the Lord's hand is on you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I felt that I was being protected, but i
i you know, it's kind of like it's getting to
the point where it's going to have to be some
pretty strong protection. You know. It's like when my office
walls start crackling due to these entities, It's like, where
is this going? You know. I didn't have any cognitive
map of how to deal with entities, and it wasn't like,
you know, I knew they were there. I knew, you know,
Jesus cast them out twenty three times out of in
the Bible, so I was aware that they existed, but
I never thought I would be face to face with them,
you know, and and dealing with them, and that they
didn't like me. They didn't like me a lot. It
wasn't just a little bit there. They didn't like me
a lot because I was operating in the prison. Yeah,
that was their the prison was there, that was their territory,
and I was an interloper, you know. So I was
being attacked by demonic staff, mainly my supervisor, you know,
and uh, the head of the psyche department. So when
they found out that these guys were recovering, they would
go and they would start asking them questions about what
I was doing with them in the office, right, And
they were smart enough for the most part to know
what these guys were doing, and they didn't tell them anything.
So here's these guys trying to run an investigation and
they didn't have anything. They had no button. None of
the schizophrenics would give them any information at all. And
so I was being protected by a function of so
called lunatics and they couldn't break through them. You So,
for months and months they were trying to get one
after another after another. Then finally they got one who
he had fully recovered. They had a valid MMPI on him.
It's their gold standard psych test that showed that when
he entered the prison. He was psychotic, so he wouldn't
tell them anything. Matter of fact. When when the psychologist
asked him, like, what's he doing with you? He responded
helping it, not like.
Speaker 3: U, asshole.
Speaker 4: That didn't go over well. They could have gone all
day without saying that, so that just kind of pissed
them off royally. So he said, would you be willing
to take another test? Would you be willing to take
another MMPI? He said, sure, I'll take another test. I'll
take your test. He took it. It turned out to
be a valid profile and the guy was no longer
psychotic according to their golden standard psych tests. So that
really warped their mind. So instead of being happy that
this guy recovered, they started pacing around like a couple
of demons, back and forth, back and forth. They were
actually afraid, you know. And I'm like, what's that reaction?
Why are they behaving that way? Why aren't they happy
that these guys are recovering. They don't need to be
on the psyche drugs anymore. They've gone off their psyche
drugs and they're still stable. That bothered them no end,
And I'm like, why why they should be happy they're
not paying for these expensive psyche drugs. This guy's back
to normal again, he's going to be able to function again,
and these guys are pacing around like freaking psycho you
know both. I couldn't figure it. It just it just
warped my mind. Why would anybody be objecting to these
guys recovering? Yeah, bro, it was Yeah. So so they
went they went after me, and it was time after
time after time, and finally one guy snitched me off. Yeah,
he told he told me, and it was like I
was I was being attacked from all directions, you know.
So it was like I was within I was within
striking range of retirement. Back then, you could buy back
some of your retirement. So I bought back all the
retirement that I could get, and then I just told him,
you know, I'm out of here. I hit the ejection seat.
Speaker 3: While you're there, man though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I eventually dropped my license when I started
talking about this in public, because I know they would
have went after that license practice, No doubt they would
have went after it. They would have drumm yep, they
would yep. They would have drummed something up and they
would have said, you know, we took this guy's license
away because he did this or did that. They would
have made up something, so I just let it expire
on good terms. They had nothing but a positive record,
you know, and now working with the ACE, the Mace
energy method, it's not even in there. I mean, it's
so far out from anything.
Speaker 3: They understand the spiritual They think that's all nonsense.
Speaker 4: Well, it does have a spiritual component, and that's the
only reason it works, you know, because the person's spirit
actually dissolves that negative energy once you set up the
the format for it to do.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it works better than anything I've ever seen,
you know, I've never seen a therapy work like that,
you know, and it's quick and it's prom.
Speaker 3: Well, got you're looking up on two hours now, so
I have dropped a bow on this. There's anything else
you guys want to address before while we wrap up?
Time flies when you're having fun. I just hadn't looked
up and see I was like, we're on two hours, bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well there's a I think I've got some videos
on it on my website at Jerrymarsinky dot com. Any
of you that are hearing voices out there, you can
go to my website, go to the articles and pull
up that that's a live program. That program was written
by Sherry, my co author, and it works because it
tells you that the demons are separate, that they're consummate liars.
They lie about everything. They have to get you to
believe what they're saying for them to have the control
over you. If you realize they're not you, they're not
coming from you, they don't belong to you, they never did,
and that they're consummate liars, it makes a lot harder
for them to control you if you don't believe anything
they're saying because you know they're liars.
Speaker 2: Well yep. And then also Jerry works with people with
his mace energy method, and I think they can sign
them to your website, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's there's a whole bunch of testimonials on
the website also to how well this stuff works, so
that you can go also go to causesminstitute dot com
and look at what they have to say too. They
call it causes them because it gets to the cause
of the psychological problem. It doesn't just mess with the symptoms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem in Big Farm of today and
the whole outfit. Man, it's it's it's masking and treating
because that's more profitable than cures. I've said that many times.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, they don't cure anything. Nothing's being cured pro psychiatry.
Speaker 3: No, well, roserything you want to plug for, we head out.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys can I mean I pray for
people as well. It's just on my website, demon erasers
dot com. I've reduced the amount of people that are
allowed to sign up, so I've had to shorten it.
So if there's no available spots, it's just wait. Every
every Saturday, new new spots should open up for the
next session. And uh, you know that I just pray
with people and dealing with all kinds of demonic stuff,
you know, doing you know, we're just helping people as
best as we can and sharing the knowledge and understanding
that we got. And uh yeah, that's all I got.
Speaker 4: And I've watched Brian work. He works with the big guys,
he works with the guys.
Speaker 2: Sur It's very uh you know, it's rewarding though, when
you really see people come yield from stuff like that,
you know what I mean, Like, there's nothing like it
when you realize you can actually help people and you
see the out afterwards and it's just like, yeah.
Speaker 4: Same thing with the mace. You see the outcome afterward
and it's instantaneous. They feel totally different.
Speaker 2: Than it's worth it. It makes it worth it.
Speaker 4: It's so cool man. Yeah, yeah, amen, yes it does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know this podcast. I love, uh research and stuff,
learning stuff and uh looking into these various subjects that
I find fascinating, and I just happened to start recording
them for other people. Found I was like, maybe a
few other people might find it interesting and they listen
to But I'm doing it for selfish reasons because I
enjoy it. But yeah, I'll get emails from time to
time or see messages on the YouTube channel and be like, man,
since I discovered your channel and some of the stuff
you talk about, I've started reading my Bible again or
I've started going back to church, and uh it's really
helped me and men stuff like that. That that's that's
that's gassing the tank man so well kept you keep
going full.
Speaker 2: Very awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, able, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: Well stay on for a second after you signed off, ye.
Speaker 3: Stop that We're have to hang out for a minute.
Because uh, it's got to upload the video, but it's
usually pretty quick. Well, guys, man, thank you so much
for coming and hanging out. I appreciate you time, I
appreciate the conversation, and I uh I would love to
have yours back and do this again. Yeah, absolutely awesome. Sure, well, guys,
be sure to check out their stuff. I might have
links to their websites and stuff that they referenced earlier
down in the description, and that way you can find
all their stuff a lot more easily. Well, guys, hope
you enjoyed that, and uh, until next time, Torch is high.