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dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect

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Speaker 2: Can you talk about extreme?

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Speaker 3: What is happening and what is up? Hold out your

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Speaker 1: Up torches high, you know, look at it from a

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different perspective, different perspective, different perspective.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you guys, what is happening and what is up?

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Hold out your glass because we are about to feel it.

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Welcome to the Prometheus Lens podcast, place where the conversations

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are always enlightening. I'm your host, Doc Brown, and here

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to take a second look at everything. Hey, and if

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ads and enjoy an ad free listening experience. Well, guys,

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I got another banger lined up for you. Buddy Brian

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had him on the show a few weeks back at

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the time of this recording, and he threw up another

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guest friend of his that's in the same vein and

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said that he thought that this would be a good

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conversation to have, and I was extremely grateful that Brian

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set this up for So, guys, put your seat belts on,

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sit back, relax, and get ready to enjoy this journey.

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But like to welcome back to the show Brian from

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Demon Erasers. Brian, how are you doing, buddy dude?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, Bro. I appreciate it so much.

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And you know, it was a good fun conversation last time.

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And my friend that I got to going on as

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Jerry Marzinski. And for those who don't know what I am,

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I'm I'm like an exorcist. I basically cast out demons

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and pray for people and deal with a lot of

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people from a lot of different conditions. But schizophrenia seems

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to be one that continuously pops up when you come

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into the world of a deliverance and praying and casting

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out demons and that lo and behold. That's how I've

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met my friend Jerry Marzinski, who is a clinical psychiatrist,

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did I say that right, and he is a.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a psychiatrist, some of them psychotherapist.

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Speaker 2: Psychotherapist, that's it. Dang it, I got it wrong.

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Speaker 3: I got it wrong.

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Speaker 2: I tried. I tried. But he's worked with the clinically

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insane for many, many years and at a at a

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prison as well as a very large mental ward, helping people,

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trying to help people the traditional way and then realizing

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that doesn't work, and so he has been now helping

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people cure, actually cure people from schizophrenia, not by medicine,

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because medicine is shrinks your brain, and he's got a

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lot of evidence and things to talk about about that,

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but he's curing people through a therapy that he uses

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that is called the Mas Energy method, which is pretty

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interesting and you know it's it goes right along with

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you know what I'm doing. And we've kind of come

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in unison in a lot of ways with our understanding

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and sharing this battle against these entities. Because he also,

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Jerry was able to prove that the things, the voices

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that a lot of these schizophrenic people were hearing, were

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not indeed just invisible voices in their head of hallucinations

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like the clinical textbook said he was able to kind

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of identify characteristics, and he's got a list of, you know,

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over twenty characteristics that that these entities go by. And

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those entities, you know, are indeed I say they're demons.

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a so much overlap between us that it's really cool

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Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I did.

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the front lines of mental health, and it's a joke.

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brains of these people. They're not getting at the cause.

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know the cause of schizophrenia, but they they have to

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act like they do, right, so they keep coming up

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an interaction of hundreds of genes. You know, like you

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looking looking, They go, we don't see anything. We don't

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see any genetic reason for schizophrenia. There, there's no follow

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conditions for these demons to foster in her offspring.

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computer nerd working a good job at the university. His

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Speaker 4: For real, So he had to move away from her

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he moved away, he was okay.

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folly of two, where two you put two people that

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Speaker 4: Hear following yeah it follya do follia do yeah, folly

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of two, folly of two. Yep. So there's still they're

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still going it's a folly, it's a hallucination. There's some

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you know, but they've done no research whatsoever. The psychiatric

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mafia just got up and went, well, it looks like

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a hallucination. That's what it seems like to us. So

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we hereby declared the voices that schizophrenics are hearing a

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hallucination have to no research, you know, just like the

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ancient Egyptian priests. We hereby declare that they're hallucinations because

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we said so, they haven't done any research on it whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think anybody in our circles can agree. There's

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no profit in cures. There's only profits in management, maintenance

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly how they make their money. They treat

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the symptoms, they don't get at the cause. They don't

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know the cause, for one, but they have to appear

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like they do okay in order to gather the trust

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that they can do something. Those drugs that they're using

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for schizophrenia and don't cure anybody. They just tamp down

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the symptoms. Nobody's getting better. A matter of fact, they're

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also neurotoxins, so they're actually poisoned, slowly poisoning the brain.

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psychiatric mafia and Big Farmer went nuts. They went, you know, no,

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it's not our drugs. It's it's the schizophrenia that's doing this.

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found this out, they were they were doing autopsies on

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long term patients who were taking those anti psychotic drugs

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for long periods of time, and they found that when

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they did those autopsies, their brains were shrunk like walnuts.

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the psychiatrist called something irony.

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Speaker 3: I used to work in the medily handicapped field and

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watch people in their houses when I was in my

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late teens early twenties, and we had to take all

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it was very common, was they called it tardev dyscognesia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's one of the symptoms. That's one that's

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one of the symptoms, the orthological damage.

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those meds. So they're they're actually doing damage. They're doing

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physiological damage, neurological damage that is irreversible past a certain point.

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Speaker 2: So it causes a certain condition where their mouth does

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what exactly like.

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Speaker 4: Well, there they have tongue darting or their tongue like

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that they shake. That they call at the hospital, they

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hospital where they they didn't have a normal gait. They

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kind of drugged their feet, all due to neurological damage

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due to those phenothigasine drugs that they and they're they're

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Speaker 2: This is so sid I'm just saying, this is so

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fascinating about the tongue thing, because like you know, when

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like a snake because they do it by default. Like

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it was like we'll start praying and the person will

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be and you're like, what was that? Like, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Bro?

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Speaker 2: So it's not right, bro. And so I just kind

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of attributed it to some type of like demonic snake

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behavior because you see demons on old drawings of them,

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they always have their tongue out. They're always like like

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they stick their tongue out all the time. So all

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old drawings, there's a there's like a connection with demons

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sticking their tongue out. There's like some kind of like association.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, you know it might be this. This happens

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with long term psychiatric drug use ESPEC should the any psychotics.

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asked them how long they've been on those mids. You know,

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if it's been many years, it's probably due to the drugs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy manifest in many ways, Like it can be

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like a mouth jerk like a ye, you know, or

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a insure the face in your nose, or just a cheat.

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Speaker 4: It's uncontrollable. They don't they don't have any control over it.

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Neurological damage. So, you know, I don't know how these

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guys get away with it, because what they were doing

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at the state hospital when I was there, and what

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they're doing in the private hospitals too, is when those

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symptoms start showing up, they prescribe drugs like chokekogentin that

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mask those symptoms. So those symptoms are suppressed. Yeah, they're

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suppressed by the kogent, but the nervous system is still

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being rotted out by the drugs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now, back in the seventies, they didn't have any other

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treatment than those drugs, you know. And and today what

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the psychiatrists are telling patients is this is a life sentence.

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I've heard that over and over again. This is a

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life sentence. You've got to take these toxic drugs for

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the rest of your life. There's there's nothing else you

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can do, which is bunk. I mean, Brian knows that.

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I know. I know that I've seen a number of people,

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you know, with with some of the stuff I do,

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completely recover from schizophrenia, you know, and Brian, Brian seeing

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the same thing. So there's other ways to go about it,

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anything about it. And it's a spiritual battle, and they

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that drug the brain. Now there is a place for

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were so violent and so nasty that there wasn't anything

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else you could do to them. You know, you couldn't

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do anything else for them. A lot of them were

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locked up in prison and on these drugs in prison,

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and we're still violent. So there is a place for

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those drugs. But for the average guy, you know, they're

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they're doing permanent neurological damage with long term use of

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those drugs. But see, they don't believe in anything else

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except drugs. You know, they're making like I said, I

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think they're making fourteen point seven billion, not million billion

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dollars a year worldwide selling any psychotic drugs through a

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brainwashed world, you know, telling them there's nothing else they

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can do except take these.

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Speaker 2: Drugs brainwashing and brain shrunk. And you know, another interesting

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thing is that the word pharmachia in Greek is their

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root word for witchcraft, and pharmacoy is actually the root

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word for sacrifice. So both pharmacy comes from both the

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word witchcraft and sacrifice, like it's from So it's literally

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like telling you you are a sacrifice like and you're

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and you're practicing witchcraft is some degree, Like that's literally

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what a lot of this stuff is.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it kind of seems like it. So

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their drugs dumbed down the symptoms, okay, but the side

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effects are terrible. I mean they're they're awful. And you

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know what, I'd noticed.

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Speaker 3: That it's chemical of botomies.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, kind of, but you know, there's andy. They

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were doing lobotomi as a matter of fact, in the

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United States, I think what was it in the thirties

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or forties, they had some psychiatrists driving around in a

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I don't know if he was a psychiatrist. He was

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driving around in a lobotomy mobile. So he would go

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to all these different towns and he would get an

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ice pick and stick it through the eye socket and

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scramble the prefrontal low tex cortex of these people and

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that would calm him right down. I mean they but

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they were vegetables. I met one when I was working

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at the State Hospital. My first impression was he wasn't

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quite human.

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Speaker 2: You a lobottomized person. Yes, they had been like they

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had been in like they had.

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Speaker 4: They had had their yep, yep. There was one I

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met at the State hospital. Was just working there in

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the seventies. He looked like he was. He was, you know,

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kind of late fifties maybe and he was working maybe

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be longer. No, he wasn't working. He was a patient.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, they could.

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Speaker 4: They are not capable of working. Yeah, you have your

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prefrontal cortex scrambled like like they they just to take

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that rod and they just gramble it around in there

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and just destroy the prefrontal cortex.

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Speaker 2: And it's like there there was he was just like

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a soulless body at that point.

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Speaker 4: Well he was like a mindless body. I mean he was.

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He was very odd. I can't put my finger on it,

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but it was like he wasn't quite human, dude. That's

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that's the feeling I got in talking to him. And

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they were doing this to thousands of people back then, Marveled.

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The Marvels psychiatry so famous.

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Speaker 3: One one flew over the cuckoo's nest.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I have a guy who actually lived

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that out. Oh wow, I could bring I could bring

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him on at a later time. He he he was acon.

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Matthew went psychotic. He went into a McDonald's with a knife.

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He ordered everybody out. He he ate a hamburger and

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waited for the police to come and get him. So

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they sent him to a mental hospital. He got the

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meth out of his system in the metal hospital. He

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was pretty sharp, and then it turned into a one

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flew over the cuckoos Nest thing. He was stuck in

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San Antonio State Hospital. He could not get out, and

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he ended up bringing that hospital to their knees. You know,

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he's got a very interesting story about what it's like

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to be in one of those hospitals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they trapped you in there.

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Speaker 4: Huh oh, Yeah, he couldn't get out.

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Speaker 2: Dude, that's so evil.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jerry, you said that you just kind of come

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to this realization. You said that you, you know, went

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with the scientific method for a while and believed what

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they were telling you. How long did it take for

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you to be in the field to see that they

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were wrong?

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Speaker 4: Twenty five years and.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember case how you kind of started, you know,

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gathering your thoughts and changing your mind. Could you kind

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of walk us through that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, first was the you know, I have a

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problem with authority. I just don't trust authority. That the

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way I was raised, I just don't trust authority. So

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that's and I'm an adrenaline junkie on top of that.

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So with those two, those two factors got me through this.

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Speaker 3: You are a good company, sir.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't for those things, I think I would

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about hit the ejection seat long ago. But yeah, I

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come out of graduate school and I go to work

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at one of the biggest psychiatric hospitals on the planet.

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There were like ten thousand patients there when I got there.

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And you know, I remember in undergraduate school when I

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was studying abnormal psychology. One thing that's struck me odd

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is here they were describing all these very interesting mental illnesses,

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but they didn't have any treatment for them. You know,

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they didn't have any you know. They said, well, this

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is what this is and this is what it looks like,

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you know, and I'm like, wow, that's interesting. So I was.

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I was fascinated with that. But there wasn't any treatment

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there for it, and I thought that was kind of odd.

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And then while I was in that course, the professor

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assigned this article written by a clinical psychologist saying that

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if two crazy people met one another and both of

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them thought they were Joe Biden, one of them would

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have to switch to Familia Harris or something else. They

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couldn't have the same delusion. And I'm thinking, why would

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that be, They're both nuts? Why, you know? I said,

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that's very odd. So I stuck that in the back

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of my head and it was like, I don't know

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how many years later, it's probably two, three, four, five,

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maybe six years later, I was hired at that huge

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state hospital and I was on the second floor in

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the psychiatric ward, and I saw this guy talking to himself.

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He looked like he was talking to himself or talking

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to somebody else. So what they taught us in graduate

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school was that an undergraduate too, was that the voices

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were hallucinations.

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Speaker 4: So? When you think about hallucinations, you think about, you know,

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word cabbage, you know, word salad. It doesn't make any sense.

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You know. It's like hallucinations are random. They're all over

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the place. They're positive, they're negative, they're everywhere in between.

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I've seen hallucinations that they don't run any patterns. So

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here I started seeing patients that were talking to somebody

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I couldn't see, or carrying on conversations with themselves, which

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is what most staff believed. So I'm on the second

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floor doing my rounds on this big psychiatric unit, and

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I see this guy looking either talking to himself or

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talking to somebody else, and I went to kind of

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creep up behind him to see if I could learn

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to hear what he was saying. And his conversation was coherent.

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It wasn't word salad. It made sense. It was like

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he was talking to somebody on the telephone, and all

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I could hear was one side of the conversation, him speaking,

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and then he was answering somebody and responding to whatever

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they were saying. And I'm like, you know, that's odd.

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And you know, they didn't say anything about that in

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graduate school. They didn't say anything about the hallucinations, except

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they were auditory hallucinations. There wasn't any description of them.

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Nobody looked into them, nobody studied them, nobody wrote anything

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about them. So when you think of hallucinations, you think

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of just this random garbage that doesn't make any sense.

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He made perfect sense with whatever he was talking to.

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So I crept up behind him and he caught me

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when he looked at me, and I said, well, I'm Jerry,

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I'm the psite for this unit. I haven't seen you

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before or you knew, And he said, yeah, I just

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got here a few days ago. And I said what's

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your name? And he looked me in the eye and

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he goes, I'm Jesus Christ, and I go oh, and

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then I go, uh, okay, here's my chance. I looked

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him in the eye and I said, no, you're not

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Jesus Christ, because I am. And I'm like, okay, what's

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he going to do? Is he going to back away?

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Is he going to change to somebody else like they said,

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like this clinical psychiatrist said he would. You know, I'm

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watching him really intensely. I'm like, okay, what's he going

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to do? You know, I'm watching me? Eyes cock up

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and he's thinking and then he looks at me and

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he goes, okay, we can both see Jesus Christ, and

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then strolls off, and I'm like, okay, what else did

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they lie to me about? You know? What else did

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they lie?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 4: Right then, and what I hated about psychology is you

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couldn't check out except for experimental psychology, right, you could

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not check out what they were telling you, you know,

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you there were these different experiments and I found out

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later than eighty percent of the experiment that psychologists write

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up are non replicable. I mean eighty percent of them

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is our garbage. Yeah, they can't replicate them. Okay, so

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that's a huge percentage.

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Speaker 3: They're supposed to be able to repeat it two or

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three times before they can claim it.

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Speaker 4: They're not. They're not replicable. But one of the tenants

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of and it was even worse than graduate school. The

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higher you get, the more this gets is either publish

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or perish. So they they have to publish to work

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their way up the academic line. And when when I

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got into the PhD program, that was intense. They had

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the publish to survive. So here's these professors that are

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roping in us all US graduate students to help them

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do these articles to publish them so they can get ahead,

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and then they get to put their name on it,

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you know as having a publication. So it was a

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big game, you know, publisher parish thing, and it didn't

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matter what they published. As long as it got published,

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it didn't matter, you know. So it's like to get

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the university known as you know something or other, you know,

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kind of stroke their egos. So you know, you had

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that crap going on, and then here they come along.

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They taught us in graduate school also that schizophrenia is

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due to a biochemical imbalance of the brain. That's what

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they were teaching. And then when I got onto the

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front lines working with psychiatrists, being in the office with

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the patient and the psychiatrist, I was watching how they

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worked and they would pull the patient in. They'd spend

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maybe especially in the state hospital, made twenty minutes twenty

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five at the most, and they'd ask them, well, what's

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going on with you? Well, I'm hearing voices, Okay, you're schizophrenic,

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you know, and then they'd prescribe them some drug. After

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I saw that a few times, I'm like, okay, if

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it's biological chemical imbalance, what's the baseline. You know what

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what what? What's chemicals in the brain are out of

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balance by how much? Why aren't they testing for that?

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So I'm like, what's going on here? That's not making

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00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:23,480
any sense. I mean, if they're treating a chemical imbalance,

472
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400
then they should know what that chemical imbalance is. Just

473
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,319
makes sense, and they didn't. I found out that they

474
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,880
have no test for a chemical imbalance. They have no

475
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:38,319
objective tests for a chemical imbalance. This was a lie.

476
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,079
This chemical imbalance thing was made up by Eli Lily,

477
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:48,599
and Brian has a little caveat as to where Lily

478
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,200
came from.

479
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: I think he said Lilith Lilith, And I think it's

480
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,200
funny because you'll see a lot of these individuals that

481
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,799
are involved in the occult and stuff, like their names

482
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,680
will literally be aligned with demonic entities. But the fact

483
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,000
that her name is Lily is like a Lilith descendant.

484
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,519
More thought that was tied to the occult, Like, more

485
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,279
than likely she is involved in witchcraft and tied to

486
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,519
a demonic agenda, because Lilith is the for the mother

487
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,200
of all demons. That's Lily. Lilith is the mother of

488
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,039
all demons.

489
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 4: So here's Eli Lilly comes out with prozac, you know,

490
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,519
major any depressant in the seventies, I believe, and they

491
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,400
are the first ones that come up with this biochemical

492
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,359
and balanced stuff. They had no proof for it at

493
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,000
the time. They just published it went well, this is

494
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,359
a chemical and it affects their you know, it's a

495
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,440
neuro It blocks serotonin, so you know, it increases the

496
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,319
ballance of serotonin. But that's just one. There's like, I

497
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:54,559
don't know, twenty three different there were transmitters in the brain.

498
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,359
I don't know how many, but there's there's many, okay,

499
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,000
And uh, you know, it's like they had no validity

500
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,519
for it. They just made it up just to have

501
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:15,119
some explanation as to why it worked. So it was

502
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,880
a lie and they perpetuated it on the entire planet.

503
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,720
And then they started teaching that in the universities to

504
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,960
have some explanation. And then it spread to all mental illness,

505
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,519
not just depression. You know, it spread the schizophrenica, it

506
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,799
spread the depression, It sped to OCDA, sped to all

507
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,759
mental illnesses. They're due to some chemical imbalance of the brain.

508
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,599
What chemical imbalance of the brain. They don't even know

509
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,599
what the chemical balance of the brain should be let alone,

510
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,920
what's out of balance? You know, how are they going

511
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,680
to separate these things? They're going to get people's brains

512
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,799
and then squash them up and find out how much

513
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:51,720
of these neurotransmitters are in each brain. I mean, they

514
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,000
haven't done it. They haven't done the research. It's a

515
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:58,519
lie that they perpetuated on the entire planet, along with

516
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,920
the genetic lie that they started out with. So they

517
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,880
the genetic f lie came before before the chemical and

518
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000
balanced lie. So they got away with that for what

519
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,559
forty years, saying oh, it's a genetic thing. And then

520
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,400
the geneticist I mean, there's what they did is kicked

521
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,359
it up to where the average guy couldn't see what's

522
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,480
going on, couldn't understand what's going on. They're going, oh, well,

523
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:24,440
it takes geneticists, you know that are training in PhDs

524
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,559
and doctors and and all these high falutin people to

525
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,279
find out what's going on genetically. So they got I

526
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,599
don't know, forty years. It took the geneticists to get

527
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,519
around to it. And then they started doing research on

528
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,279
schizophrenics and they go, we don't find a genetic uh,

529
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,680
gene for schizophrenia. It's just it's just not there. So

530
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,759
then they they these people start, well, well, it's not

531
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,279
just one gene. It's a big mixture of genes. It's

532
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:55,000
hundreds of genes that are you know, the you know,

533
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,839
we'll find it eventually, you know, we're sure it's we'll

534
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,799
it eventually. But they have nothing for it. So they

535
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,799
never found a schizophrenic gene, you know. So then they

536
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,400
kicked it up to biochemical imbalance, okay, which is another lie.

537
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:14,559
Speaker 2: And they tried to do they try to do that

538
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,279
same thing with the homosexuality stuff. They try to say, oh,

539
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,920
there's a gene associated with them sexuality. It's the same

540
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,200
kind of thing. It's like they want to bring in

541
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,720
something that's unmeasurable that you know, most people can't even

542
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,240
identify or pick out.

543
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:33,119
Speaker 4: Right right, They keep it out of the so other

544
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,160
people can't can't see. So once I found that out

545
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,279
that that was a lie, and I'm like, okay, if

546
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,440
it's not a chemical brain im balance, and what is

547
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:51,240
it right and what are these voices telling these patients.

548
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,680
Now that struck me. It's very odd because you know

549
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:58,880
that that huge hospital, it was Central State Hospital, Militrille,

550
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000
Georgia was one of the biggest on the planet, if

551
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,000
not the biggest. It had close to ten thousand patients

552
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,960
there when I got there in the seventies, and that

553
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:09,640
was down from like twenty thousand or something like that.

554
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:17,279
They were dumping everybody in there, and you know, I

555
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,119
was like, okay, what are these voices? So when I

556
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,519
saw that one patient that said he was Jesus Christ

557
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:29,839
speaking to these things, I'm like okay, And I started

558
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,000
talking to asking other patients like what are these saying?

559
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,559
What are they telling you? What are they saying? And

560
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,640
they didn't want to talk about it, you know, and

561
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,519
the voices didn't want them to. I didn't know that

562
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:43,759
at the time, but they didn't. The voices didn't want

563
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,319
them telling anybody about what they were saying or what

564
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:50,119
they were doing. So it took me, probably took me

565
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,839
the better part of a year and a half or

566
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,240
so to figure out how to talk to these people

567
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,720
about the voices because they were threatened by psych Because

568
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:03,000
psych's at that hospital, and in most hospitals, are spies

569
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:07,680
for psychiatry, so they watch to see if the patient's

570
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,079
going out of control, and if they are, they turn

571
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:16,519
them into psychiatry. Psychiatry drugs, So traditional psychotherapy would bounce

572
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:21,599
off psychia schizophrenics like BB's off the butt of a

573
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,160
rhino just didn't have any effect. You know, you could

574
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,599
talk until you were blue in the face with these people.

575
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,559
They would still go off their medications, they would still

576
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:36,319
go psychotic, and whatever you said didn't change anything. So

577
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:40,640
there was no traditional counseling them to work. So the

578
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,079
only thing that we'd had back in the seventies that

579
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:48,079
did work were these drugs. Right, So the patients didn't

580
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:52,119
trust psych they didn't trust the psychiatric nurses. And the

581
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:59,079
side effects were awful. They were just awful. So I

582
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:02,599
started asking these patients and and nobody else was interested.

583
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,559
Nobody else was curious about what these voices were saying.

584
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 3: No, they were clicked on the paycheck and going home.

585
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,400
That's all I cared about.

586
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: Well, they believed what they were taught in school, you know,

587
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,840
nursing school, in medical school and psychology and graduate school.

588
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:22,960
These voices are hallucinations, so they go, why would why

589
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,119
would they lie to us? They weren't like, well, there's

590
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,280
there's a good chance they're probably lying. I'm going to

591
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,679
find out for myself, you know. So what I started

592
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,519
doing was asking the patients on my caseload, what are

593
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,360
these things telling? Me? So after I figured out, you know,

594
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,360
if once I knew a couple of nuggets I would

595
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,039
I could tell them. I go, well, I know this

596
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,079
about them, I know this about them, I know this

597
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,039
about them. What else can you tell me? So it

598
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,559
was like priming the pump. The more I knew about

599
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,480
the voices, the more they were willing to tell me.

600
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,599
If I didn't once, I didn't when I when I

601
00:34:57,639 --> 00:34:59,679
started and I didn't know anything about the voices, they

602
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,320
didn't trust me. You know, It's like, oh, he's just

603
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,599
one of them. He's just going to turn me into

604
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:06,199
psyche and they're going to drug me some more.

605
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that would be kind of scary. I

606
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,519
mean from from your point of view, if they're cognitive

607
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,639
enough to know how if I talk about what I'm seeing,

608
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,760
what I'm here, and they're going to dope me and

609
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,079
I'm going to be slobbering on myself all day. Hell,

610
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,000
ex talking to nobody.

611
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: That's a bullsage. That's exactly right. They don't and the

612
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,679
voices are telling them at the same time, don't tell

613
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,000
them anything. I remember one guy told me that the

614
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,760
voice has told him don't tell him anything. He already

615
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:32,440
knows too much.

616
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,599
Speaker 2: You know, I've had it. I've had a similar experience

617
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,519
because I've like literally prayed for a lot of people

618
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,400
that are schizophrenic, and I've had beamon possess people that

619
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,239
can hear the voices come around me and go just

620
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,480
stop talking, stop talking, don't don't don't, don't talk. Don't

621
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,480
talk to this guy because they know that I know

622
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:54,199
what they are or how to get about. They're like, yeah,

623
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,920
the voice is just like shut up. When I saw you,

624
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,159
and they said that, they told the other one to

625
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,440
stop talking, like they're like, what the heck Like, They're like,

626
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,760
they don't want me to tell you anything.

627
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:10,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's oddbody. Actually, I remembered I walked into

628
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,280
one one's uh. It was a big hospital here in Tucson.

629
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,199
I was working in the emergency room doing psych crisis

630
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,000
and walked in and went into my computer and there

631
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,719
was a girl laying in one of the beds and

632
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,719
I got a signed to her to evaluate and she

633
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,920
was telling me, she said, when you walked in through

634
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,639
that door, the voices said stay away from him. He's dangerous. Yeah.

635
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,760
And I never saw that girl in my life, never

636
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,920
talked to her before. But she said that's what the

637
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,679
voice has told her as soon as I walked in

638
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,280
the door. And they you know, how did they know?

639
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: Did you change that now meeting or did it take

640
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,480
some time to build a you know what do you

641
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,159
call it a relationship with her before she shared that

642
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,280
with her? Did she share it with you as you want?

643
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,119
Speaker 4: No? While I was evaluating her when you psych evaluation

644
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,559
order demon.

645
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: And like, the root word for demon is domon, and

646
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,119
it means like, uh, it's like it means the ones

647
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:12,559
that know, and so like literally this is where we

648
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,599
get the word genius from. So like the word genie

649
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,000
actually is gin. It's from the root word gin, which

650
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:23,119
is demon. Okay, demons, no stuff again, dalemon And so

651
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,880
like people that are geniuses a lot of times they

652
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,320
had a gin, a genie or a demon following them

653
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,559
around telling them things. And that's what we deemed a genius.

654
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,159
That's why it's like when you say somebody is good,

655
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:36,760
you'll call him like, oh, well, they are a real

656
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,679
demon at that that used to be in more figures

657
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,480
now we still use the phrase like speed demon, Oh

658
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:43,840
he's a speed demon? Or whoa yet like that was

659
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,000
a figure of speech back then, but it stemmed from

660
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:49,360
the understanding that demons no stuff, and they give you

661
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,719
like supernatural abilities or knowledge or understanding. That's why we

662
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,360
call the words. That's where we get the word genius from.

663
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,159
Speaker 4: I can back that up with hospital stories that you

664
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:08,679
know firsthand things. One of the first times I saw

665
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,360
that was when a guy I was working with his

666
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,840
voices told him to watch out for a certain fellop

667
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:15,840
and was telling him that that guy was going to

668
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,199
assault him. So a few days later that guy's he

669
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,480
took a shower, his hairs full of water, and he

670
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:25,480
had a comb and he was slinging the water off

671
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,639
of his hair backward. That same guy that the demons

672
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,920
told him were going to assault him walk through the

673
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,639
door just as he flicked the water out of his hair,

674
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,360
and he hit the guy in the face with it,

675
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:40,199
and that guy jumped him just like he said. Then

676
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,400
there were the methaddicts that the demons would would the

677
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,239
voices would tell them when they ran out of myth.

678
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,559
They'd tell him where to be and when to be there.

679
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,559
And some stranger would show up with myth say hey,

680
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,320
looking for something that happened over and over and over again.

681
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: I've had the same situation praying for people that are

682
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,599
doing possessed seeing like being told where to go to

683
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,960
show up and then get drugs from random a random person,

684
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,239
like randomly in meeting them somewhere like in an alleyway

685
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,079
or like a course short corner store, and they just

686
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:13,280
like the voices guided them and said, hey, go talk

687
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,480
to that guy, and they just go to the person

688
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:18,440
and they go, hey, what's up, and the person like

689
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:22,039
handing them the drugs without them even like asking for it.

690
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,719
Like it was just like they the person knew, and

691
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,599
they knew. Really weird, really weird.

692
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:32,159
Speaker 4: But there was a similar they didn't know these guys

693
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,679
from Adam that showed up, Yeah, and it was just

694
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,280
like that. But the wildest story I've heard now, this

695
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,719
was from a guy who had fully recovered. Okay, we'd

696
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,679
got rid of his demons, and he told me the

697
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,000
story when he was the voices were gone all right,

698
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,239
So he was straight up when he told me this.

699
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,719
He wasn't psychotic. He was in San Diego and he

700
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,320
was he had a long criminal history, you know, he'd

701
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:05,280
been arrested scores of times, and he was using cocaine,

702
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,800
all right, and he was hearing voices, and the voices

703
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,039
told him, hey, listen, we know where there's a sesamelia

704
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:18,000
potfield in Oregon. You take take all your money, get

705
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,719
two burlap sacks and a machete, and we'll show you

706
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,599
where it is. So he trusted the voices enough to

707
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:27,199
listen to what they said. So he got two burlap

708
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,679
sacks and a machete. He took off for Oregon, and

709
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,360
they were telling him where to go, turn by turn,

710
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,960
and he gets up there, and then he gets off

711
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,679
into the wilderness and he's going up this dirt road

712
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,559
and he finally runs out of road up against the

713
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,559
mountain and stops the car and he goes, Okay, you

714
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,320
know I can't go any further on this road. What

715
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,199
do I do now? Voices said, there's a hiking trail

716
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,239
off to your left. Get your sacks and bring your

717
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,639
machete and take that hiking trail and just keep going,

718
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:01,000
you know, keep it's a few hours there, just keep going.

719
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:04,800
So he does that. A few hours later, he comes

720
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,719
up to this big clearing and here's this huge sess

721
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:13,039
amelia pot field. So he gets his machete, he cuts

722
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:17,960
down two big prolapse sacks of marijuana, gets in his

723
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,880
car and he says, well, what do I do with

724
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,320
it now? The voice just said, well, there's a federal

725
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,199
park just down the road. Go there. You can sell

726
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,840
it there. So he goes there and he starts selling

727
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,079
all this cessamelia pot and he gets a ton of money,

728
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:36,159
and he buys himself all the prostitutes he can handle,

729
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:39,719
buys himself all the cocaine he wants, and buys himself

730
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,960
all the alcohol he wants. And then the voices wanted

731
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,679
to go fishing. So when he told me that, I said, oh,

732
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,480
get out of here, man, you're pulling my leg now.

733
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,519
And he goes, no, no, honest to God, I'm not

734
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,119
telling you if they wanted to go fishing, he said,

735
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,519
they're fishermen. They want to go fishing. So he said

736
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,679
he went and bought a fishing pole and some bait,

737
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,960
and he went out to I think was the Columbia River,

738
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:05,199
he said, and started fishing. He said the voices told

739
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,440
him where to throw his hook, how long to stay there,

740
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,840
and when to move on. He said he was the

741
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,880
only person out there fishing. That was catching fish that day.

742
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,400
And he said, this went on for two weeks. So

743
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,360
he went up there. He made another run. He made

744
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,840
a life thinking. I think he made like three runs

745
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,239
up there. And then on the third week, at the

746
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,320
end of the third week, he said, well, I'm out

747
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,880
of drugs, amount of money. I got to go up

748
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,840
there again. And the voices told him, no, they're waiting

749
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,000
for you. They know you've been robbing their field. They're

750
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,599
waiting for you. Go up there again. They're going to

751
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,519
kill you. They said, get in your car and go

752
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:45,760
back to San Diego. And so he was a very

753
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,880
interesting case because his mother would show up. Now his

754
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,039
mother was deceased, and when he started telling me about

755
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:57,079
his mother, I right away suspected demons because they can

756
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,920
take the form of anybody that I knew anyway, So

757
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,039
I started grilling him about what's mother say, you know,

758
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,280
did she ever say anything bad? And I said, well,

759
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,679
what does she tell you? And he said, well, you know,

760
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,800
wash my underwear and wear clean clothes, and stay away

761
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,400
from the drugies and don't use drugs, and you know,

762
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,920
eat good food and don't be scamming for store. You know,

763
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,760
the kind of stuff the mother would say. And every

764
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,039
time he said he spoke to his mother, I would

765
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,360
ask him what she said, and it was always that

766
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:33,679
same kind of stuff, never anything bad. If he would

767
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:36,320
have said they told him told him anything bad at all,

768
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,039
I would have suspected, you know, that's that's demon's full

769
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,199
faking like they were. His mother. Never happened. So when

770
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:48,480
he fully recovered, it was one of the last times

771
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:51,840
I saw him. He said, my mother wants to talk

772
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:59,360
to you. And I'm like, well, that's odd, and I said,

773
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,440
what does she have to say? And he said, she

774
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,679
thanks you for helping me, you know. And I said,

775
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:11,440
well you're welcome. What are you doing over there? Asking mother,

776
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,480
what are you doing over there? She said, I'm checking

777
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:16,440
people in, So apparently she was like some kind of

778
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,159
secretary checking people into somewhere. I went to ask her

779
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,840
another question and she said, I'm not supposed to be

780
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,639
talking to you. Everything you need to know is in

781
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,039
the Bible. And that was it, and a few weeks

782
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,639
later she disappeared from the patient and never spoke to

783
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,280
him again. It was like, now that I know my

784
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,159
son's okay, now I can move on.

785
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: That's supersascinating.

786
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,519
Speaker 3: True true story that's very which Brian wn't bring this up. Brian.

787
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,079
Me and Brian was talking about this pre role and

788
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,159
he just he nicely shushed me, and it's like, we'll

789
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:53,480
talk about that later. So I want to pull the

790
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,920
pan out of that one for right now. I just

791
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,360
tell him, I said, I was listening to one of

792
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,639
your discussions on this, and I was in the shower

793
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,679
just listening to it on my phone, and you were

794
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:14,079
talking about the voices and uh uh how it affects

795
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:15,840
them and all these other type of things, and the

796
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,679
thought just kind of hit me, and I was like, well,

797
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,039
could this be you know, like a scientific way of

798
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,119
explaining I'm not saying it's not real, but like a

799
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,280
scientific way of explaining a spiritual thing like what we

800
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:35,039
see in the Old Testament, Elijah, Elijah, David, Moses, all

801
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:39,119
these people that had these supernatural encounters and experiences with

802
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,280
angelic host So I thought of that, and I was like, well,

803
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,719
could it be that maybe there's some you know, the

804
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,000
street term people say, uh in these circles is some

805
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:54,239
people are just more spiritually sensitive than others, and they

806
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,239
could tap into these lower frequencies and these spirit realms

807
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,880
and stuff like that. Do you think that what we're

808
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:05,079
talking about here today can apply for demons but also angels.

809
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:07,920
It's basically like it's i don't know, like a genetic thing,

810
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,440
a gift from God that the enemy can hijack if

811
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,599
you're too weak to wield the weapon properly, or if

812
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:16,599
I'm making any sinse i m I explained myself.

813
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,119
Speaker 4: Well, Ian was talking to me about that earlier. It's

814
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,760
like in Africa, there's some tribes to kind of treat

815
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,159
schizophrenics as special, like they have a connection with the

816
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,719
spiritual world, and then they work with them. They don't

817
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,039
treat them as you're crazy, you know, they treat them,

818
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:38,280
they bring them up because they're they're already in touch

819
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,079
with the negative part of the spiritual world, and then

820
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:45,239
they kind of work them along until they're like shamans

821
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,199
or rus. That way. They don't treat them as insane

822
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,039
or you know, lowly creatures that are possessed that kind

823
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:53,400
of thing.

824
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,519
Speaker 2: It's very very interesting subject. That question, to me is

825
00:46:56,559 --> 00:46:58,840
something that I deal with quite often because like I think,

826
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:04,000
you know, I believe it's a you know, there's two

827
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,000
parts to this. Actually, First I wanted to say one

828
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:10,360
part actually that you know, Jerry mentioned that the demons

829
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,280
of the dude that he listened to like wanted to

830
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,480
go fishing. They just wanted to do normal stuff, right,

831
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:18,920
like you know, like let's see if you know, the

832
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,000
question I think when you when you tell me that

833
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,119
story is I wonder did the demons possess the fishes

834
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,719
to be led to his lure to bite it? Or

835
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,920
did the demons know that there was fish in that

836
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,559
area and they influenced him to cast in that direction?

837
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,280
Like you know, did the demons were they practicing their

838
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,639
ability to possess fish to bite onto something and see

839
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,679
if they could control of animals? Like were they what

840
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,280
was their demons like goal in that regard or what

841
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,480
was their concern? And so I think of it kind

842
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,920
of in that sense. Or were they premonitions? Were they

843
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,159
like getting premonitions? And now now there's another understanding because

844
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:59,639
like the premonition perspective, because that guy didn't die. They

845
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:01,239
told him he would kill him, right, and I'm guessing

846
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,159
he went up there and got caught, right, But he didn't.

847
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,519
Speaker 4: Die, right, No, he didn't die.

848
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: He didn't die, So they said they would die. So

849
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,679
they were wrong in some aspect right, and so it

850
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,159
wasn't like they knew everything, but they knew enough that

851
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,320
it wasn't going to work out. So but but you know,

852
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,639
demons trained people, and there's a lot of people that

853
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:22,440
I would say are schizophrenic that you wouldn't even know,

854
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,199
you wouldn't even have a there. And there's people like

855
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,039
that man who if he did not go against the

856
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:32,960
voices and he kept listening to them, Like who knows

857
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,199
what let benefits those voices would have brought him? Who

858
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:38,360
knows what benefits that would have led him in life?

859
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:42,039
Who knows what other terrible atrocities he would have committed

860
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:43,599
as well at the same time, you know what I mean?

861
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,880
But like, who knows what other things these voices that

862
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,800
he would be listening to, Like, I think a lot

863
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,159
of the elites that control our world today would classify

864
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:57,760
them with schizophrenic. They're just the difference between them and

865
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,599
the person you see in the hospital is the persons

866
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:02,960
that we see in the in the wards fight the

867
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,679
voices because they innately know that they're not good. Whereas

868
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,880
the people that are the elites that are controlling the world,

869
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:10,920
they've given in to them and they're not fighting him

870
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:15,440
like they're probably, yeah, they're probably doing terrible things that

871
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:17,960
you don't know about, terrible, terrible things that you wouldn't

872
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,280
even imagine that they were even capable of behind the scenes,

873
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,679
feeding these ways because the voices almost always want terribleness.

874
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,360
I've never like, it's like their ultimate goal is something bad.

875
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,239
Even if it appears as something good, their ultimate goal

876
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,159
almost always lead. It always leads to something bad. So yeah,

877
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,559
and so it's like, you know, the people in control

878
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,880
are of our world, I would argue are schizophrenic. Okay.

879
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,719
And there's even the dude that gave Jeffrey Epstein his house,

880
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,400
that Larry I forget his name anyways, but he's a

881
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:54,079
very prominent, very rich, very powerful individual. He's admitted to

882
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,880
listening to his demon, his goalm that gives him advice

883
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,360
on what stocks to buy. He said, he literally listens

884
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,519
to a demon that speaks to him in his head,

885
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,519
that tells him what stocks he should buy or shouldn't buy.

886
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,559
And that's what's made him all the money and made

887
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:13,199
him super successful at what he's doing. He's channeling demons, entities,

888
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,719
you know, and even magicians. If you look up old

889
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,599
magician magazines like, right now, if you typed in old

890
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:23,920
magician posters, you would see magician posters. Almost all of them.

891
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,719
My friend just told me this, Almost all of them

892
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:30,320
have red little devils whispering in the ears of the magicians.

893
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,960
Because the original magician mentalists people that you're like, we

894
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,559
see mentalists and we're like, oh, how are they doing it?

895
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,320
They're psychologically vesting with your head. No they're not. They're

896
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,280
freaking listening to demons. It's very obvious. But these demons

897
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,760
are helping these individuals and they're telling them those things

898
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,079
they're and like, the demons are influencing these people, Okay,

899
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,920
so like they they are whispering and working with demons.

900
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,519
That's why if you type in old magician posters, you

901
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,119
see demons and devils on the shoulders of all the

902
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:03,559
magicians talking to them. They're telling you what they're doing.

903
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,039
And so there's people that have mastered the use of demons,

904
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,159
and there's people that have worked with the demons. And

905
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,639
if you give the demon what it wants, it's going

906
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:12,199
to give you back something in return. So there's people

907
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,880
that have benefited immensely in their life from working with it.

908
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,840
But ultimately it's corrupting your soul, and ultimately they're going

909
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,800
to have you be doing something nefarious. You just don't

910
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,079
know what it is yet. Even if it seems benign

911
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:26,400
like fishing, ultimately he's still buying prostitutes and doing other stuff.

912
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,840
They're going to lead you into something wicked no matter what.

913
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,480
Like that's what they always do. And so when you

914
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:35,400
say people that are being led by a voice similar

915
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,320
that leads them in a good way, we might call

916
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,360
this like the voice of God, right, So like that's

917
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,920
something like Moses heard the voice of God speaking to him, right,

918
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,320
And you're kind of like saying, so this is called

919
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,119
a spiritual gift that a lot of these people have. Okay.

920
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:56,159
The spiritual gift, from my perspective is called discernment of spirits, okay.

921
00:51:56,639 --> 00:52:00,000
And and there's people that can discern the spiritual realm.

922
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 4: Okay.

923
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,079
Speaker 2: You can either hear in the spiritual realm, you can see,

924
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,599
you can feel, you get knowings, you get dreams, you

925
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:09,960
get visions. These are all what are called spiritual gifts,

926
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,000
and everybody kind of has them to some degree. But

927
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,440
the people that can hear voices usually have the gift

928
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:18,519
of hearing in the spirit okay, And I have a

929
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:20,400
gift as well. I have a similar gift of hearing

930
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,039
in the spirit, and I can sometimes hear these spiritual

931
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,000
things in other people. And Jerry operates in a similar

932
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,079
sort of kind of thing. I believe he can feel

933
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:31,719
them to some degree as well. And so so there

934
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,400
is a gift of discerning of spirits, right, So we

935
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,960
operate in the discernment of spirits, and you know, and

936
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,079
you kind of know. But these people have that gift,

937
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:42,559
they have the gift of hearing in the spirit. That

938
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:45,719
the problem is they're not walking in accordance to the

939
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,519
way the Lord has called them, and so they're not

940
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,199
They're they're essentially in rebellion of some capacity, and the

941
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,119
demons have a legal right to attack and torment them.

942
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,440
So really their gift of hearing in the spirit is

943
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:03,599
becomes like babotage, becomes sabotage. Really, they should be hearing

944
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:06,320
from the Lord, they should be having angel encountered, but

945
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,039
they can't. They they're so demonically attacked that it's like

946
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:13,039
nothing to them even sounds good. So that's that's my

947
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,599
perspective of how I perceive it.

948
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 4: At least, well, that's probably why how the Africans. You know,

949
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:21,159
they see, Okay, these guys are in the spirit, but

950
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,920
they're in the wrong side of the spirit, and then

951
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,599
they move them from there, you know. And that's kind

952
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,360
of how I started. I mean, I wasn't any religious fanatic,

953
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,280
you know, I always believed in God, but I've dog,

954
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,960
you know, one of the big church goer kind of thing.

955
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:40,400
And then when I saw these things, it's like, okay, well,

956
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,519
if if they're these things are there, then the good

957
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:49,039
sides they're all, yeah, there's there's this puzzle.

958
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: You know, talks about stuff and he says, yeah, when

959
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,320
you find out the Bible is real, he said, you

960
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,360
sit back and you say, oh, man, the Bible's real,

961
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,960
he said, then you piles for a sake and you're like, oh,

962
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:04,360
the Bible's real's accountable for all my crap.

963
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 4: Especially stuff they're finding now about the you know, Moses

964
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,920
and the crossing out of Egypt. Oh yeah, you know,

965
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:19,559
they're finding chariot wheels down there. They're finding skeletons down there, brother, right,

966
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,119
and a path where the rocks are moved out of

967
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:24,880
the way. Yeah, it's all all they're finding all that

968
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:25,719
right now.

969
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,159
Speaker 2: Dude, it's it's so cool.

970
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:29,639
Speaker 3: And all that stuff.

971
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you know it. And like the other thing

972
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,000
is like knowing that this stuff, like when you're dealing

973
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,719
with these kind of supernatural things, realizing the spiritual realm

974
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,719
is real. It really changes your perspective everything, Like it

975
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,239
really does, Like it opens your mind to the reality

976
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,280
of what we're actually we're like in a video game.

977
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,800
I feel like in some degree it.

978
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: Makes sense, don't it. Brian? Yeah, yeah, I mean it

979
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,599
makes it a lot more sense than this you know,

980
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,280
high falutin big word salad, scientific lingo and stuff they

981
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:00,599
throw that.

982
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: That's crazy. What they're doing is crazy. I mean, there's

983
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,440
fifty thousand people a year are killing themselves in the

984
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:12,480
United States, year after year after year after year, and

985
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,880
a good many of them are on anti psychotic and

986
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:24,239
antidepressant drugs, so they kills certainly, Yeah, it's certainly not helping,

987
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,039
you know. So where where are those thoughts coming from

988
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,320
for these people to kill themselves? They don't. They never

989
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,280
ask that, you know, And and it's.

990
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 2: Such an absurd idea to think about it in the

991
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,559
first place, the fact that any like, it's absurd that

992
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:41,280
people would have those thoughts because it's not it's obviously

993
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,159
not them, and like, well.

994
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:47,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but survival is the prime directive exactly to

995
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,519
the human being. You must survive. I mean, at all costs,

996
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:54,159
you must survive. And and here these guys are turning

997
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,920
on themselves, you know, and here's the psychiatric mafia going,

998
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:03,199
oh yeah, it's a chemical brain imbalance and they have

999
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,599
no control over it. You know, pull crap. You look

1000
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:12,199
at what's happening in the mental health system worldwide. It's garbage.

1001
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,880
I mean, people are killing themselves at horrendous rates. The

1002
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,719
mental health centers are overflowing with mentally ill people. The

1003
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,480
psych hospitals are overflowing. It's getting people, the prisons are overflowing,

1004
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,519
and it's getting worse year after year after year. These

1005
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:30,760
drugs are not curing anything. They don't want They don't

1006
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,119
want this stuff cured. They make their money by treating

1007
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:36,159
symptoms over and over and over again, you know, and

1008
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,440
then they're looked. On top of that, they're ripping these

1009
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,119
people off that can ill afford it. I mean, you

1010
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:45,079
pay here in the United States eight hundred and two

1011
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:49,039
thousand dollars for these antipsychotic drugs a month. Wow, you know,

1012
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:51,199
you go across the border to Mexico, you can get

1013
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:54,119
the same drugs manufactured by the same company for seventy

1014
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:58,280
five dollars. That's how bad these god during drug companies

1015
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,440
are ripping off the United State. It's population and it's

1016
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,440
not just any psychology stabbing.

1017
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:10,559
Speaker 3: You know, is that it cost you twenty thousand dollars

1018
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:13,360
for a procedure, but if you go in with cash,

1019
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,559
it cost you eight yeah.

1020
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like and then they're asking, well, why

1021
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,000
are the medical costs out of control? You know, it's

1022
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:25,119
it's not's what they're doing it.

1023
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:27,159
Speaker 2: You know, I would say this and this is a

1024
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:30,039
cool subject, Jerry Efford, you mentioned this about war like

1025
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:33,679
these entities. It's my belief the reason why they're doing

1026
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:36,519
this stuff with the drugs is because they are They

1027
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,960
are killing you, they're sacrificing you. You are a human

1028
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:44,119
sacrifice and they're intentionally murdering people with these drugs because

1029
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:47,920
it is another it's another sacrifice. Because death and killing

1030
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,119
and murder and pain only suffering and torture, it creates

1031
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:56,440
a negative environment. Yea, yeah, yep, and that negative environment

1032
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,480
allows them to thrive. And so like the wars, every

1033
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,679
I would say this right now. Every single war has

1034
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:08,639
ever existed since you know, the beginning, has been basically

1035
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,000
a human sacrifice ritual. Like every at least for the

1036
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,960
last since Jesus came back. Every single war since Jesus

1037
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,199
return or since Jesus was here has been a human

1038
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:22,159
sacrifice ritual. They like because you and me people, we

1039
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:25,239
don't want war. Who wants war? The elites? And why

1040
00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:27,199
do they want war? They you know, they may say, oh,

1041
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,599
our crops or or our fields, or oh are they

1042
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:30,840
bro They have all the money in the world. They

1043
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,599
don't give a crap. They want war because they want death,

1044
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,239
and the demons want that. Because the demons want they

1045
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,559
want death, they want chaos. They want they want to

1046
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,400
be able to traffic children, They want to be able

1047
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,639
to freely do terrible, obscene atrocities. Do you know the

1048
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,360
amount of atrocities that go on in places of wars?

1049
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,079
So it is so terrible. I don't know if you

1050
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:53,079
know this, but like the Vietnam War, they a bunch

1051
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:58,599
of children were taken from their parents that were killed somehow,

1052
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,639
and the children just were taken away. And did you

1053
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:05,920
know that the Playboy bunnies, the bunny girls went over

1054
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:12,960
to Vietnam and adopted all of these parentless children from

1055
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,519
the Vietnam. But I think it was the Vietnam War

1056
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,400
and brought them over here. Bro, a bunch of children

1057
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:23,239
came home with Playboy bunny moms. What do you think

1058
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:26,159
happened to those children. I'm very curious to know if

1059
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:29,239
any of them, you know, how their life is.

1060
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 4: Well, you look at what's happening now with the child trafficking.

1061
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,800
The US government is the biggest purveyor of child trafficking

1062
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:36,519
on the planet.

1063
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:38,679
Speaker 2: Yes, here's these All these.

1064
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:42,599
Speaker 4: Kids from from Ukraine are missing. Yeah, you know, the

1065
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,159
parts are being sold all over the place. And you

1066
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,000
got what is it like, three hundred thousand kids have

1067
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,760
gone missing. They have no idea where they are. All

1068
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,280
they need is an address to send them to. That's

1069
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,840
the biggest child trafficking gortel on the planet.

1070
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,159
Speaker 2: The demons love the war. They I mean, the same

1071
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:03,840
thing with our border. They said, they literally, Biden said,

1072
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:06,199
if you leave your child, if we found a child

1073
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,119
unattained at the border, guess what they might be given asylum.

1074
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,320
And they promoted this all over the world. So all

1075
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,559
these people just started leaving their children unattended and just

1076
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,519
abandoning them. What do you think happened those children? Like

1077
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:22,679
half of them are missing so far, Bro, They're just

1078
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:25,159
being dropped off and they're being trafficked, they're being sold,

1079
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:28,519
they're being murdered, they're being eaten, they're being raped. Who

1080
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:31,360
knows what terrible things are being done to these children.

1081
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:34,320
It is terrible. It's all evil. It's so. And enemy

1082
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,880
demons love environments where the lucies they love these thriving

1083
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,920
environments of death they love.

1084
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:48,119
Speaker 4: They feed off of that. That's their food, that negative

1085
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,639
emotional energy. Yeah, you dry that up and they start starving.

1086
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,400
And that's kind of what the Mas energy method does.

1087
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,559
It goes in there and it gets rid of the

1088
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:03,599
trauma so and permanently gets rid of it. So it's

1089
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:05,440
and it does that very quickly.

1090
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 3: So this thing you mentioned, this is a cure that

1091
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,840
you have found that that's helped a lot of people.

1092
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't work real well. Yeah, it's an energetic psychotherapy.

1093
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,880
It works for most mental illnesses, but it doesn't do

1094
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,119
real well with schizophrenics who are in the in the

1095
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:31,400
deep stages, in the extreme stages. Because I've seen the

1096
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,760
voices actually show up and block them from doing the

1097
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,440
things they need to do for that therapy to work.

1098
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,880
They can't concentrate, they can't think, they can't keep their

1099
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,079
attention on what they're supposed to be doing. But for

1100
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,119
a lot of the other stuff, it'll get rid of.

1101
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,320
I mean I see it all the time, people who

1102
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,760
are seventy five eighty years old. Something happened to them

1103
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,920
when they were four years old, and they decided that

1104
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,360
they were worthless, and they went through their entire life

1105
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:05,320
feeling they were worthless. In one hour, that was gone

1106
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:09,679
and it won't come back. So this stuff will actually

1107
01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:10,800
go into their subconds.

1108
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,559
Speaker 3: Stuff work with like addiction and stuff like that too,

1109
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:14,079
because that's a.

1110
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 4: I didn't believe that. They said it worked with alcoholism,

1111
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:19,800
and I didn't believe it, you know, until I ran

1112
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,320
into a girl that was alcoholic and she said, well,

1113
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,039
I went back to drinking normally again.

1114
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,119
Speaker 3: You've seen big Foot hats, the ones that play it safe,

1115
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:32,679
hanging next to the fridge, magnets and park gift shop.

1116
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,159
But the sole Squatch their gear is built different. This

1117
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,840
is Squatch approved gear for people who believe the legend

1118
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,719
deserves more. It's rugged, meaningful, and created by two outdoor

1119
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,360
obsessed believers who wanted to honor the myth without watering

1120
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:55,119
it down their pathfinder hat. It's not just headwear. It's

1121
01:02:55,159 --> 01:03:00,559
a quiet signal, something that says, yeah, I believe. Check

1122
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:04,079
out the soul squats dot Com. Step into the story

1123
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,239
and join the ones who never stop believing.

1124
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,679
Speaker 4: Brian, you experienced that. What do you have to say

1125
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:19,119
about it?

1126
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, I you know, I I think

1127
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,719
it's I think it could be very powerful, I think honestly,

1128
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,840
and like you know, I mean, I I do a

1129
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,559
different method of forgiveness thing that I do and a

1130
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,800
lot of different stuff as well. That is just like

1131
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,599
kind of I just like let the Lord lead. So

1132
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,800
the stuff that I do when I do deliverance is

1133
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,320
always different. Sometimes I have to have people wash their

1134
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,880
face like five times or something weird like, but it's

1135
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,679
just like whatever the Lord tells me. But it, you know,

1136
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,599
it kind of works. But as a method of forgiveness,

1137
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:50,920
it works really good. And as a method of releasing trauma,

1138
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,519
I'd say what Jerry's doing is is pretty good. I

1139
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:57,639
think for anybody that's got any kind of trauma traumatic thing,

1140
01:03:57,679 --> 01:04:02,159
I think it could definitely help in there, you know,

1141
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,079
in that department, because you know, having a demon doesn't

1142
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:10,280
necessarily mean like that you it doesn't necessarily mean the

1143
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,639
trauma is the demon. Sometimes you need to heal the

1144
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:16,039
trauma for the demon to leave, and so sometimes you

1145
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:19,440
need to you have to heal the damage for the

1146
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:22,360
demon to break its hold because it's got this lie

1147
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,000
running cycles in your mind. And so Jerry's method that

1148
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:29,840
he's working, I think seems to be pretty pretty i'd

1149
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:35,320
say Christian safe and psychologically, like, I think it's good.

1150
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,079
I think it's a good psychological kind of clears your

1151
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:40,400
mind from whatever thing you're dealing with.

1152
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:43,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even if you get rid of the voices,

1153
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,000
then that you still have the traumatic damage done by them, Yeah,

1154
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,079
and a lot of that is buried subconsciously. So this system,

1155
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,000
it's an energetic psychotherapy. You know, your spirit is energy,

1156
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,760
your mind is energy, your thoughts are energy, your memory

1157
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,639
is energy. You know these things or does the demons

1158
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:06,159
are energy? They're energetic. They can go into the victim's mind,

1159
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,639
they can pull up every rotten thing they've ever done

1160
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:11,719
and rub it in their face until they get them upset,

1161
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:15,519
and then they feed off of that negative emotional energy

1162
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:19,079
that they generate from that mm. Once you get that

1163
01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:21,440
stuff out of there, they can't they can't go in

1164
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,800
there and stir it up anymore. It's gone.

1165
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 3: It does leave you ain't got no food in your

1166
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,440
cupvered right, But.

1167
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,719
Speaker 4: It does have trouble with you know, some of them,

1168
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,519
the moderate to severe schizophrenics. I mean, it doesn't work

1169
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:41,079
real well with them. But with with people who are

1170
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:44,760
hearing voices and have a good bit of control, I've

1171
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,000
seen the voices disappear.

1172
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: Now have you seen somebody like Brian that you know

1173
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,880
that does exorcism and stuff like that work with somebody

1174
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:59,079
with these I've.

1175
01:05:57,199 --> 01:06:01,519
Speaker 4: Seen Brian do that on videos that those are the

1176
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:04,400
kind of guys I don't want to mess with Brian.

1177
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,440
Brian's like the heavyweight.

1178
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:11,159
Speaker 3: You know, get actually down at yourself or or being

1179
01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:12,760
in the room with it, or.

1180
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 4: I have gotten rid of voices by interfering with the

1181
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,559
patterns that they run. Okay, So that's one of the

1182
01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:24,599
things I've discovered working at the State hospital. One of

1183
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:27,960
the first patterns I saw was that they were consistently negative,

1184
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:33,280
all right. They were they were derogatory, they were insulting,

1185
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:38,559
they were abusive, they were destructive, you know, consistently so,

1186
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:43,199
so here's the psychiatric mafia saying, Uh, these things are

1187
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:49,400
hallucinations are all over the place, these things are consistently negative.

1188
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:54,039
That's a pattern. You know what holds them to that pattern?

1189
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,840
Why aren't they random? Why aren't they all over the place?

1190
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,639
That was one of the big questions they should be

1191
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:03,039
or hallucinations they should be. So that's one of the

1192
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:07,440
first things I saw. And while I was questioning these

1193
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,639
guys at the State hospital, the voices in one of

1194
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:14,039
them got upset and he went and he told one

1195
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,719
of the psychiatrists that I was asking him questions about

1196
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:21,599
his voices and he didn't like that. Next morning, I

1197
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:26,559
found myself in the psychiatric Psychiaochiastri's office and he was like,

1198
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:30,480
you will not ask patients about what the voices are

1199
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:34,440
telling them. What you're doing is you're reinforcing their hallucinations

1200
01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:38,159
and you're making them worse. And I knew that was

1201
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:39,960
a bunch of crap to start with, but you can't

1202
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:41,039
argue with these guys.

1203
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:41,559
Speaker 2: No.

1204
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 3: And at the same time they would tell me and

1205
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,920
like when I worked with these people, they would train

1206
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:51,519
us to go along with the fantasies, they would tell us.

1207
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:54,159
So this was years ago. It might changed, but like

1208
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,000
you know, back then, they told us. If they're talking

1209
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,920
to themselves and they say, hey, do you hear that

1210
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,639
or something your space? Oh yeah, but I wouldn't worry

1211
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:05,519
about it, you know, you just that's just with their

1212
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:08,159
fantasy and the opposite of.

1213
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:09,079
Speaker 4: What should be doing.

1214
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:12,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that affirms their their delusion, and then it

1215
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,800
makes them even more confused as individuals. Like long term,

1216
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,119
if you go along with half of what they're they

1217
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,239
they won't be able to tell the difference between what's

1218
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:21,800
real and fake. If you do that to them, it

1219
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:22,720
will literally.

1220
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah people, Yes, Well, like you guys were saying though,

1221
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,279
the psychiatric mafia, they want to just conceal and mask

1222
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,439
and keep everything just moving along. So that's what they

1223
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,840
told us to do. Just go along with their fantasies.

1224
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,239
Don't excite them, get them mad, Just go to some point.

1225
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,119
Speaker 4: They have to realize that what they're hearing is not them.

1226
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,000
It does not belong to them, that this is something

1227
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:46,279
coming in from the outside. It's not it's not who

1228
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,560
they are, and the voices want them to believe that

1229
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:53,760
what they're hearing is them, it's their mind. And I've

1230
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,680
had prisoners that would ask them, they who are you?

1231
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,399
What are you? You know? And they would say, we

1232
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,840
are you. They wanted the client to believe that the

1233
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,960
voices they were hearing were who they were, because you know,

1234
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,520
we all think from you know, just assume that if

1235
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,159
you hear it in your head it belongs to you.

1236
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,479
That's bad wrong.

1237
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:19,199
Speaker 2: Yep.

1238
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Speaker 4: Manuel Swedenborg, Christian mystic, lived three hundred years ago. He says,

1239
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,479
none of your thoughts are yours. They either come in

1240
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,199
from heaven or they come in from hell.

1241
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,039
Speaker 2: And I would agree with that to some degree, like

1242
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:34,439
because the reality is it's like it says every good

1243
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,119
and perfect gift comes from the Lord in the Bible,

1244
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,760
and so it literally means like if you do a

1245
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,479
good thing, that means like the Lord's the one that

1246
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,359
put that good idea in your head to do that

1247
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,000
good thing. Let's say you gave somebody twenty dollars. That

1248
01:09:47,039 --> 01:09:49,359
wasn't you, That was the Lord influencing you to do

1249
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,199
that thing. You're just the agreer. You're the one that

1250
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:55,720
accepts the idea that pops into your mind. So even

1251
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:58,840
and all the bad ideas in the same vein are

1252
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,800
not you either. Those are just demons talking to you,

1253
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,359
giving you these influence and you don't and if you

1254
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:08,319
listen to them. And that's the sad part. A lot

1255
01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:11,479
of people think that their thoughts are themselves right. And

1256
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,199
when you think that, when you think that your negative

1257
01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:16,520
thoughts are you, it makes you feel like a terrible person.

1258
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,399
It makes you feel like a bad person, makes you

1259
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,119
feel like you're dirty or worthless, and it's literally demons

1260
01:10:21,159 --> 01:10:23,640
talking to you. And that's the biggest problem.

1261
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:27,359
Speaker 3: Well, Jesus even told Peter, you know, when Jesus was

1262
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,000
coming down off of the mount was headed to Jerusalem

1263
01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:33,039
to the cross. You know, if Peter tried to talk

1264
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:35,399
him out of it, and what did he say, you

1265
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,199
behind you.

1266
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:40,399
Speaker 2: Know, not what you are speaking of, and it says

1267
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:42,359
that's out in his head, you know, yep. And he

1268
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:44,359
said get the behind me, saying for you do not

1269
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,840
have the concerns of God in mind, but merely human concerns.

1270
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,960
And that even tells you more that even the human

1271
01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:55,439
concerns can seem like human concerns can also be demonic.

1272
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,560
That's another another level to that.

1273
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 4: So you look at the background of schizophrenics and and

1274
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:07,640
virtually all of them have been massively physically, sexually, or

1275
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:13,279
emotionally abused. So it's already there. The lucia is already there.

1276
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,720
They can smell that like a shark smells blood. And

1277
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,479
they move in on these people. It's like wolves going

1278
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,840
after the weakest of the pack. They go in there

1279
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,640
and they pour gasoline on the fire and then they

1280
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,159
move in on them. And if they're using meth, meth

1281
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:32,840
just opens you up, like it's the worst.

1282
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,520
Speaker 3: I've seen the shadow people and heard the voices after

1283
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,720
being up for six seven days I've experienced at first,

1284
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,520
and yeah, it's a demonic.

1285
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 4: Did you ever see that. You ever see their eyes? No?

1286
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:53,359
Speaker 3: I always just seen shadow figures. They'd be the trees

1287
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,399
or walking across the highway, But I just see apparitions.

1288
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 4: Yeah. The prisoners call them that the tree people because

1289
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,279
they would see him in the trees all the time,

1290
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:06,439
you know. Clinically, if they saw their eyes, I would

1291
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,039
note that they were they were much more severe than

1292
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:14,399
the average Matthews or who didn't see their eyes. And

1293
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,560
if they saw their eyes, their eyes were either lime

1294
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:17,399
green or red.

1295
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,279
Speaker 2: You know. I noticed something else as well, Jerry, I

1296
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:22,720
don't know if you'd notice this one. But not only

1297
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,760
if they don't, if they don't perceive them as shadow people,

1298
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:30,079
because I've noticed it for me, from what I can tell,

1299
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:33,359
is that they go from shadow person to recognizing their

1300
01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:39,279
eyes to seeing like like goat men or like actually,

1301
01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:43,960
it's like those are the phases that I've noticed that

1302
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,000
I've personally been able to identify. I haven't. I haven't

1303
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:51,079
fully depicted that. It was like, you know, if there

1304
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:53,720
was a progression, but there are people that literally I

1305
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,800
dealt with a guy who saw he said, it looks

1306
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,000
like a man but has a goat head, and he

1307
01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:02,760
like would see that, And so it was beyond the

1308
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,800
shadow people recognition. It was beyond just recognizing that.

1309
01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:08,039
Speaker 4: I've never heard that. I mean, it was like.

1310
01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:11,399
Speaker 2: I've only had I've dealt with I've only dealt with

1311
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,000
like maybe about three people that start to see them

1312
01:13:14,079 --> 01:13:18,039
as entities. And they they say they've got like like

1313
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:20,239
animal human things.

1314
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,159
Speaker 4: I've never I've never heard that, but I've heard them

1315
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,479
take different forms. But they were still shadows. So they're

1316
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,439
like shadows that are darker than the rest of the room. Yeah,

1317
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,239
you turn the light on, they're gone. They can go

1318
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:35,640
through the walls. I've never I've never heard them speak

1319
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,960
to anybody. I've never heard of them harming anybody physically

1320
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:43,840
except scaring them half to death. The Native Americans called

1321
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,560
them the watchers, and I'm not I don't know what

1322
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,640
they are exactly done, Brian, do you have any idea

1323
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,680
what those shadow people are? What are they? Yes?

1324
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: So, the Watchers I believe are different than the voices

1325
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:56,319
that people hear.

1326
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are. I can tell you that they're different.

1327
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:00,920
They're not the same.

1328
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 2: No, I don't think they I don't think they work

1329
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,760
the same because the the shadow people never talk to

1330
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,439
the people that I've noticed, they don't talk to them.

1331
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:15,600
They may sometimes coincide, but usually they're like one will

1332
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,960
appear and it will be different than the other ones.

1333
01:14:18,359 --> 01:14:21,359
So like when people see the shadow people, it's funny

1334
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:23,960
that you mentioned the Native people calling them the watchers.

1335
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,880
So like, from my perspective of what they are is

1336
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:30,439
actually the descendants of what are called the watchers. They're

1337
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,279
actually they're actually disembodied Nephelem spirits. So they're the half

1338
01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:38,760
angel human spirits. Yeah, so they're basically Biblically, there was

1339
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,960
the angels came down and they slept with women, and

1340
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:46,399
when they had children, their spirits were half angel human giants,

1341
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,640
and these beings existed in the world. Then they physically

1342
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,800
had physical bodies, and in the Book of Enoxys, when

1343
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,359
their bodies die, their spirits will forever remain on the

1344
01:14:55,399 --> 01:15:00,279
earth and be referred to as evil spirits. So these things. Yeah, yeah,

1345
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:03,680
So the the shadow people, I don't believe because the

1346
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,640
shadow people, I've you know, I've heard maybe like one

1347
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,319
or two stories where the shadow person actually tried to

1348
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:11,880
reach out to the person, but for the most part,

1349
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,039
they just watch. They just kind of like sit back

1350
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:16,920
and look at the person and so like and there,

1351
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:21,199
and it's utterly terrified. I've seen you, I've seen yeah,

1352
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:23,840
and they're just observing you. And it's not like they're

1353
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,119
it's not like you do feel malevolent. They do feel evil,

1354
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:31,279
they feel terrifyingly evil, but it's not like they are

1355
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,960
doing anything per se that's there.

1356
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,399
Speaker 3: It's just for their friends, you know what I'm saying.

1357
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so so I've noticed though, like because when

1358
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,319
when I was a child, I would hear voices actually

1359
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:47,479
talk to me, and I also saw a shadow person

1360
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,359
when I was a child, and then and then I

1361
01:15:49,359 --> 01:15:51,079
got prayed for it, and then it never came back.

1362
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,159
And I talk about this in my movie, My Ancient

1363
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,720
Angels documentary. I talk about this experience that I had,

1364
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,359
but the but like I would also hear voices, and

1365
01:15:58,399 --> 01:16:00,000
then I saw the shadow person. But there was no

1366
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:04,399
correlation between the two for me, and but the shadow

1367
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:08,560
person was utterly terrifying, and so I had a study.

1368
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,039
I studied every text to figure out what the shadow

1369
01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:13,479
person was, because somebody originally told me it was a demon.

1370
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,479
And I was like, well, what's a demon? And they're like, well,

1371
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,880
demons are these evil entities. And I'm like I'm like,

1372
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,600
and they're against God. And I'm like, well, I would

1373
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,199
have never gone to church had I not seen this thing.

1374
01:16:22,279 --> 01:16:24,239
So I was like, that's kind of a counterproductive demon.

1375
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,840
I was like, pretty dumb, because like, if he never appeared,

1376
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,880
I would have never like gone searching for God. I

1377
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,079
would have just stayed like ignorant of it all. So

1378
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:34,079
I was like, that's stupid explanation, Like it's not a demon,

1379
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:37,000
that's dumb. That's literally what I thought. And so when

1380
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,000
I started reading into the Book of Enoch and found

1381
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,600
this explanation for these entities that once had a physical

1382
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,720
body but lost their physical body and were stuck in

1383
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,760
this reality. They became the shadow people. So the shadow

1384
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,560
people are the leftover of half angel humans that are

1385
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,960
that are stuck in this realm of existence. They're forever

1386
01:16:56,039 --> 01:16:58,439
hungry and they can't eat. They're for every thirsty, and

1387
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,840
they can't drink. They are in visible, but they can see,

1388
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:06,079
and they are permanently stuck here in this reality, walking

1389
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:09,079
amongst us, and they don't know, they can't do anything.

1390
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,880
And so some of them they work with demons. I've

1391
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,600
learned that they've Those shadow people tend to communicate or

1392
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,119
work with the demons that people hear in their voices

1393
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:20,960
in their head. But they're not they're not the same thing.

1394
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:24,199
There's some kind of other entity that I that. This

1395
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:26,520
is just my perspective of this anyways.

1396
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 4: So, yeah, how'd you how did you find out that

1397
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,479
they work with demons?

1398
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,119
Speaker 2: Well, I assume that they worked with demons because most

1399
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:38,560
people that can hear voices will also experience seeing them.

1400
01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 4: And yeah, and that doesn't mean they're in kuhots.

1401
01:17:44,079 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 2: You're right, I could be totally wrong. That's me making

1402
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,159
an assumption, but I don't.

1403
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 4: Know, but I had one one intiment that this was.

1404
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:57,199
So I've spoken to scores of mathematics, you know, in

1405
01:17:57,239 --> 01:18:01,359
the prison, in the in the hospitals and the emergency rooms,

1406
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,640
and then there was one one night, it was Christmas

1407
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:11,239
Eve that I drew the shift and in the emergency

1408
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:15,159
room for psyche crisis that night, and uh, you know,

1409
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:21,399
by then, I'd seen scores of meth users and the

1410
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,319
worst ones would see their eyes and the eyes would

1411
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:26,359
either be red or lime green. They were never any

1412
01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:30,319
other color. They were red or lime green. So it

1413
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:33,600
was pretty quiet night, it was Christmas Eve, and I

1414
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,560
didn't want to be there. And incomes that there were,

1415
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,119
there were nobody coming in incomes. This one guy shaking

1416
01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:42,680
like a leaf. He just could not stop shaking. He's

1417
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,479
just shaking the whole time. And you know, I was

1418
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,159
the only sight there, so I had to evaluate him

1419
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:54,119
and brought him in. And he had been using injecting

1420
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:59,760
meth injecting, not just snorting, injecting for ten years, and

1421
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,800
that caught my attention right away. He should have been

1422
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,399
dead five years ago, and I'm like, what's this guy

1423
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,960
still doing alive? You know? So this is probably the

1424
01:19:10,119 --> 01:19:14,039
longest lived methadic that I had ever run into. And

1425
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:18,319
I'm like curious right away, why is he still alive?

1426
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,920
And I started asking him questions. I said, uh, you know,

1427
01:19:22,079 --> 01:19:25,319
do you ever see the shadow people? And he goes, yeah,

1428
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,840
I see them all the time. I said, do you

1429
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,119
ever see their eyes? He said yeah. I said what color?

1430
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:36,359
And he said lime green, I think he said. And

1431
01:19:36,399 --> 01:19:39,800
then I said, uh, just just out of you know,

1432
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,640
because I knew and like you said, Doc, they never talk.

1433
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,920
They never talk. I've never spoken to I've spoken to

1434
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:50,880
scores of people who've seen them. None of them ever

1435
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:55,159
said they speak or said anything. So just out of curiosity,

1436
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:57,640
I asked this guy, I said, did you did you

1437
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,359
ever hear him speak? And he said, oh, yeah, I

1438
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:01,760
hear him speak. And I'm like, well, what do they

1439
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,680
sound like? And he said he mimicked this really high

1440
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,159
pitched squeal that just gave me shivers just with him

1441
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:11,720
trying to mimic it.

1442
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 2: It's like the thing this reapers from the Lord of

1443
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,960
the Rings the Ring Rates.

1444
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty much. It was ghosts. You remember

1445
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,199
at the end they come up and grab that bad

1446
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:29,359
man back. Remember that the ghosts Patrick Swayzey. But these

1447
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:32,279
big shadow creatures come out, but they're growling. They're like,

1448
01:20:34,119 --> 01:20:36,199
grab that guy and pull him down into hail for

1449
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:38,159
all of his dirty deeds at the end of the movie.

1450
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,279
Speaker 4: You know, the closest thing I could put it through

1451
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:42,600
is like when you screech your fingers on the blackboard,

1452
01:20:43,159 --> 01:20:45,399
you know. That's the kind of that's the kind of

1453
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,800
feel I got from it. And then I went to

1454
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,199
ask him another question, and as I did, his eyes

1455
01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:55,880
turned black, you know, and I could feel this, this

1456
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,920
this deep dark It was hatred. I mean it was

1457
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:04,239
it was such intense hatred. I've never felt such hatred

1458
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:07,199
in my life, you know. And I'm looking into those

1459
01:21:07,239 --> 01:21:11,439
eyes and they were like black pools that just went forever,

1460
01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:14,800
and it was no longer this guy. I mean, that

1461
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,800
was something else looking back at me. And it really

1462
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,720
gave me the willies. One thing I learned working with

1463
01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:24,279
psychotics is you can't show fear. So I had to

1464
01:21:24,319 --> 01:21:29,479
sit there and steer at those eyes with that hatred.

1465
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,359
I mean, it was just this cold, burning hatred like

1466
01:21:33,399 --> 01:21:36,279
I've never experienced in my life. And it stayed there

1467
01:21:36,319 --> 01:21:39,520
for like twenty seconds, you know, twenty five seconds and

1468
01:21:40,079 --> 01:21:43,720
just staring at that and the feeling it gave me

1469
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:49,359
is like, I've never experienced such intense hatred. So apparently

1470
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:53,279
whatever that was in there didn't like me asking questions,

1471
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,159
but I had to, you know, if he heard them speak,

1472
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,239
I wanted to hear what they had to say. Asked

1473
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:03,079
him that and he said, well, they told me to

1474
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:05,399
go out to the highway and jump in front of

1475
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,800
cars and that I wouldn't be hurt. And I said, well,

1476
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,680
what'd you do? He said, I went out to the

1477
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,239
road and I jumped in front of a car. I

1478
01:22:13,239 --> 01:22:15,119
got hit. I got knocked off to the side of

1479
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:17,720
the road. He said. When he came to there was

1480
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,840
a ring of these shadow people standing around him and

1481
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,680
they said, get up, you're okay, and he said, I

1482
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,159
got up and I was okay, and then he said

1483
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:28,920
they told me to go do it again. He said,

1484
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:32,159
I did it again. I was hit, same thing happened,

1485
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:34,600
you know. I got up and I was okay, And

1486
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,279
I'm like, wow, that's a wild story. So I went

1487
01:22:37,359 --> 01:22:40,720
to ask him another question, and then that thing came

1488
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,840
back again, and I'm like, oh my, haven't you know

1489
01:22:44,079 --> 01:22:46,319
I hate this. I can't hate dealing with this. I

1490
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:48,399
don't want to, but I couldn't go anywhere. I had

1491
01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:50,199
to steer this thing in the eye, and this time

1492
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,600
it was more furious and more there was more hatred

1493
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,439
than before. But I had to sit there and steer

1494
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:00,319
this thing in the face until it disappeared again. Once

1495
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:03,319
it disappeared, he went right back to shaking again. But

1496
01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:06,119
while he was, while he those eyes were looking at me,

1497
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:10,439
he was calm, no shaking whatsoever. He was just stark still.

1498
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,840
If that freaked me out, So after have you After

1499
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,039
the second question, I went, I can't deal with this anymore.

1500
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:20,439
I let him. I let him go, and I wrote

1501
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,520
up what I needed to write up to admit him,

1502
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,520
and in about five minutes the nurse, the psyche nurse,

1503
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,359
came in and she goes, I can't deal with this guy.

1504
01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:30,520
What you get. I'm going to write my report from

1505
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,760
what you've got, and we admitted him to the hospital.

1506
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,680
But that was the spookiest thing I've seen with with

1507
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,439
regard to the shadow people. And I don't know whether

1508
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,279
that was them or not. I don't know what that

1509
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,800
was looking through his eyes, but boy, it was as

1510
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:52,159
evil as I've ever experienced. It was spooky. It was

1511
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:53,039
really spooky.

1512
01:23:53,239 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 2: I've seen the eyes of a person. It's like their

1513
01:23:56,039 --> 01:24:00,600
pupil goes so black white and out over their their

1514
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,159
iris the outside it's at the center of their itis

1515
01:24:03,239 --> 01:24:05,960
goes and then it's like all that's left is the

1516
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:06,960
black of their eyeballs.

1517
01:24:07,039 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 3: Yes, And that's what happens. The higher you get that,

1518
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,279
the more dilated pupils get, and you can you'll go

1519
01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:14,399
to the bathroom you might have just a sliver of

1520
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,479
color on the outside used to be all pupiled out.

1521
01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 2: Really that yeah, bro, Yeah, I didn't know that, but

1522
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:24,439
I've seen it.

1523
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: When you can watch somebody hit a pipe or take

1524
01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:29,279
a line and and just look straight in the mirror

1525
01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:32,840
and you can watch it really dilate and open.

1526
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 2: Whoa. Yeah, you see it though, when you're talking to

1527
01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:37,560
somebody like and they've got.

1528
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,279
Speaker 3: To tell you. I tell you can catch a functional

1529
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:39,960
meth addict.

1530
01:24:40,079 --> 01:24:40,239
Speaker 4: You know.

1531
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 3: There's some people that are high functioning meth addicts, you know,

1532
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,439
I mean they do just enough to get them going

1533
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,880
and not get you know, over the cuckoo nesk. But

1534
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,520
if you sit there and talk with them, they're really hyper,

1535
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,439
really energetic at their pupils will tell on them every time.

1536
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,239
They like like they're normal, like like we are now,

1537
01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:01,159
but when you look in their eyes, man, it's fifty

1538
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:05,000
to seventy five percent pupil because they're on that's dope,

1539
01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:06,720
and that dope dilates their eyes.

1540
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 2: That's fascinating. I just know that when we when I'm

1541
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,359
dealing with stuff, I've dealt with praying for people and

1542
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,600
all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it's like and

1543
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:16,760
the person may not be on drugs, like out of nowhere.

1544
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,119
It was like I remember praying for one guy and

1545
01:25:19,119 --> 01:25:21,079
he was just like totally like fine, and all of

1546
01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:23,239
a sudden, his face was just like, yeah, I'm really good.

1547
01:25:23,279 --> 01:25:26,319
I'm really good. And also in his face is and

1548
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:29,239
then the eye just and you're like and then it's

1549
01:25:29,279 --> 01:25:33,600
like mad and you're like, oh hello, like and bro,

1550
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:34,279
you feel it.

1551
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 4: You feel it, Bro, you feel it.

1552
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,279
Speaker 2: It's pretty terrifying, to be completely honest, it's scary.

1553
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1554
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,239
Speaker 2: And the other thing is like, uh, you know, demons

1555
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:46,399
smell fear. They smell it. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah

1556
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,920
you mentioned that. And they also smell a few other things.

1557
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,720
I've noticed. They smell blood. They can literally smell blood,

1558
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,319
and so this is this is really interesting. Like a

1559
01:25:55,319 --> 01:25:57,520
lot of people kids will like cut themselves, you know

1560
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:01,479
that cutters, Yeah, the cutter bro it's attracting them. They

1561
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,079
will literally be cutting themselves and that's the scent of

1562
01:26:05,159 --> 01:26:08,960
blood literally attracts demons and they go in through the wound,

1563
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,600
through the trauma, through the cut, and they will inhabit

1564
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,199
the individual like they'll get into the person, like through

1565
01:26:14,279 --> 01:26:16,560
the blood, and they can smell rot and they get

1566
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,840
smell decay. Okay, so they smell death, rot, decay blood

1567
01:26:21,239 --> 01:26:24,239
and like they can they can. It's like the best

1568
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:26,720
way to describe it. And fear. These are the things

1569
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,600
that I've noticed the demons smell and they will almost

1570
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,000
always like people think like, oh, my house has got

1571
01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:35,880
black mold in it and I got some sickness. No, dude,

1572
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,840
your house has got black mold in it, and you

1573
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,199
attracted demons and they smell the black mold. They can

1574
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:43,880
smell it, and they show up and then they start

1575
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,279
affecting the person, and the demon will start affecting the person.

1576
01:26:47,319 --> 01:26:49,600
That's why when you clear out the black mold, the

1577
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,039
sickness goes away. But sometimes the sickness won't go away.

1578
01:26:53,239 --> 01:26:56,119
But another thing about the thing about black mold is

1579
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,960
like the sicknesses and the responses from people that have

1580
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,000
black mold are so across the board it doesn't make

1581
01:27:02,039 --> 01:27:05,119
any sense. Like they'll have like like joint pain, but

1582
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:07,399
then they'll have like bad dreams and headaches, and you'll

1583
01:27:07,399 --> 01:27:10,680
have like all these different things from black mold. It's

1584
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,640
literally just rotten decay, and demons are attracted to it,

1585
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,000
and they smell it and they will show up. They

1586
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,960
will show up at a certain situations, certain environments. That's

1587
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,119
why it's like you think of a trap house. It's

1588
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:26,159
always like disgusting rotted old, like these kind of things.

1589
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:29,479
Like demons love that stuff. They love hoarding, they love

1590
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,119
hoarders homes. Okay, bro, if you have a house and

1591
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:37,479
there's like hoarding going on, demons love that stuff. They

1592
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,640
love it. It's like it creates rotten spaces for rotten

1593
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,239
decay to exist. So anyway, it's another thing I've noticed.

1594
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:52,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that all of that subject so here here here,

1595
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:55,920
I am at the State hospital looking. I saw that

1596
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:59,439
one pattern, the negativity. The second one that shows up.

1597
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,119
I had a pace come in one day, he says,

1598
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:04,560
he was hearing voices. He said, I prayed the twenty

1599
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:09,159
third Psalm, and he said the voices reacted like worms

1600
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:12,119
thrown on a high hot frying pan when he prayed

1601
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:15,760
the twenty third song. And I said, well, that's interesting,

1602
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:19,520
you know. So I didn't never took the word of

1603
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,880
just one or two schizophrenics. I check it out, you know.

1604
01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:25,880
And so I started handing out the twenty third Psalm

1605
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:30,000
to schizophrenics on my caseload, and every single one of

1606
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:34,600
them said the voices reacted negatively to them repeating the

1607
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,680
twenty third Psalm. So I started questioning them about what

1608
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,800
happened when they went to church, and it turned out

1609
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,000
there were like three levels. If if they were the

1610
01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:48,159
voices were weak when they went to church, they shut

1611
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:51,279
up when they got in there. If they were moderate strength,

1612
01:28:51,319 --> 01:28:54,560
they would kick up and they'd start screaming and blocking

1613
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,600
out what the preacher was saying, so the person there

1614
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,800
couldn't hear what they were saying. They'd say stuff like

1615
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,560
Jesus couldn't even save himself, what makes you think he's

1616
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,600
going to save you? And if they were really infested

1617
01:29:08,399 --> 01:29:10,800
with real strong demons, they would get it. They would

1618
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:12,560
run them right out of the church. They'd get up

1619
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:16,279
and run out of the church. And this was after

1620
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:21,079
questioning scores of schizophrenics. It seemed like there were those

1621
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:26,600
three categories, you know there so they were anti religious.

1622
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,880
I mean, they didn't like them reading the Bible. They

1623
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,520
didn't like them praying, They didn't like the Lord's Prayer.

1624
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,079
They didn't like you know, Psalm ninety one. They didn't

1625
01:29:35,159 --> 01:29:40,000
like them going to the preachers of ice cream socials

1626
01:29:40,079 --> 01:29:43,079
at the psych hospital. And then that's where I first

1627
01:29:43,119 --> 01:29:45,600
noticed it, is that when the preacher was giving these

1628
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,359
ice cream socials and the auditorium at the state hospital,

1629
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,039
the only people left on the word were the schizophrenics.

1630
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,520
They were laying in bed reading monster magazines or war

1631
01:29:55,600 --> 01:30:00,399
stories or murder mysteries, stuff like that negative stuff. I

1632
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,159
noticed that first, and then the second time it happened,

1633
01:30:03,159 --> 01:30:05,760
there they were again. And the third time I said, well,

1634
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,279
why aren't you down with the rest of them. Why

1635
01:30:07,279 --> 01:30:09,880
the free ice cream cake that's hard to come by here.

1636
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:12,800
You know, they go, well, I don't like preachers, or

1637
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:14,680
there is no God. I've prayed to him a lot

1638
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,479
of times and he never helped me. You know, they

1639
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,439
didn't want anything to do with religion or people. So

1640
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,560
the voices were anti religious. So why would a hallucination

1641
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:30,239
be anti religious? You know, hallucinations are supposed to be random,

1642
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:32,920
they're all over the place. Why would they be negative?

1643
01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:37,279
Why would they be anti religious? The next stuff pattern

1644
01:30:37,359 --> 01:30:39,960
I saw. Now, all these patterns are on my website

1645
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:44,119
at Jerrymarzinski dot com. So if you're working with schizophrenics

1646
01:30:44,279 --> 01:30:46,640
or you have one in your family, go there. You

1647
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,399
can see these for yourself. This is the operational definition

1648
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,640
of what these demons are and how they behave and

1649
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,760
how they react and what they do. It's kind of

1650
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:04,520
like operational definition of electricity. You know, you can't see

1651
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,920
the electricity, but you can see what it does. Or

1652
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,239
you can't see gravity, but you can see what it does. Right,

1653
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:15,560
So this is like the gravity of the schizophrenic world.

1654
01:31:17,159 --> 01:31:19,039
You know. The third thing they do is they foster

1655
01:31:19,119 --> 01:31:21,720
and they create negative emotion. We've been talking about that.

1656
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:25,479
Like Brian said, they can smell negative emotion. They can

1657
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,359
smell people who've been badly psychologically injured, and they come

1658
01:31:29,399 --> 01:31:34,960
there and they actually start pouring gasoline on the on

1659
01:31:35,079 --> 01:31:39,359
the fire. So they remind me of sharks in the ocean,

1660
01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:43,039
that they can smell blood, they can smell people who

1661
01:31:43,079 --> 01:31:46,359
are wounded, and they come and they attack them, and

1662
01:31:46,399 --> 01:31:49,239
then they get them to generate that negative emotional energy.

1663
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,680
They try to get them thrown into prison, because prison

1664
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,960
is a very negative environment. It's full of paranoia, it's

1665
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:00,600
full of fear, it's full of hatred, it's full of buffet.

1666
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,319
They run the place. So Sherry Sweeney, my co author

1667
01:32:04,359 --> 01:32:14,319
of this book, here she was hearing voices and she said, uh,

1668
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,479
one day she was sending reiki positive energy into the

1669
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,279
prison and this black cloud appeared in front of her

1670
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:27,399
like a tornado, and it said, these these prisoners are mine.

1671
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,439
You have no business doing this. Yeah, and that's the

1672
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,760
second one I heard that was like that, you know

1673
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,680
where this black cloud appeared and basically told them to

1674
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:39,239
back off.

1675
01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:44,199
Speaker 3: M So did she?

1676
01:32:44,199 --> 01:32:46,319
Speaker 4: She didn't. She didn't back off. She kept going. She

1677
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:52,079
kept going. I didn't back off either. They energetically drained

1678
01:32:52,079 --> 01:32:57,520
their victims. Also, so the schizophrenics are so messed up

1679
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,800
they don't feel that happening to them. But when you

1680
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,199
bring it up to them and say listen, every time

1681
01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:06,359
the voices come, your energy drops down to nothing, doesn't it.

1682
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,199
You know, then they have to think about it because

1683
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,079
they feel so bad and they go, well, yeah, it

1684
01:33:12,119 --> 01:33:17,520
does that happens consistently, they will the voices show up

1685
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:22,199
their energy leaves. So these things are energetic vampires. They

1686
01:33:22,199 --> 01:33:24,960
are kind of like the Draculas of the spiritual world.

1687
01:33:25,079 --> 01:33:28,199
I think that's why Dracula movies are so scary, because

1688
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,279
these things exist at a spiritual.

1689
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 3: Level, physical level, not that long ago ortal.

1690
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 4: Are so I don't know if they're just.

1691
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 3: Theol vampire, yeah, but you.

1692
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 4: Know it has its spiritual counterpart, right, you know, which

1693
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:51,000
which does exist. So I have like twenty three of

1694
01:33:51,039 --> 01:33:53,840
these patterns that that they run over and over and

1695
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:58,079
over consistently. And what I was doing back then I

1696
01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:00,239
could I couldn't really do a lot of recent search

1697
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,760
in the state hospital because the psychiatrists ran the place,

1698
01:34:05,239 --> 01:34:07,520
and if I got caught again, I'd be in bad trouble.

1699
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,479
They'd already warned me not to do this, So I

1700
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,359
had to really put it in first gear and drop

1701
01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:14,520
down to low gear and just kind of keep it

1702
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:19,399
very safe, very quiet, not push anything. But one thing

1703
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:23,239
I did learn is, and this was important, is that

1704
01:34:23,279 --> 01:34:26,479
the psychiatrists at that hospital were getting beat up by

1705
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,439
schizophrenics at a rate that was higher than any other

1706
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,479
staff members, and it was equal to that of the

1707
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,800
attendant staff who were on the wards with these schizophrenics

1708
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,439
twenty four hours a day, and they were only seeing

1709
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,600
people for twenty minutes a month. So I'm like, what

1710
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,279
are they doing? What are they saying in twenty minutes

1711
01:34:45,319 --> 01:34:49,520
a month? That's causing these people, the schizophrenics to attack them.

1712
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,359
And it was like, you know, like every other month

1713
01:34:53,399 --> 01:34:56,359
you were hearing about a psychiatrist who was attacked by

1714
01:34:56,399 --> 01:34:59,319
a schizophrenic and got beat up. You know. It's like,

1715
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,439
what's called on here? I had no idea. I didn't know.

1716
01:35:04,079 --> 01:35:07,159
So what I was working for was the Department of

1717
01:35:07,239 --> 01:35:10,479
Vocation Rehabilitation then, and we were trying to find the

1718
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,199
highest functioning schizophrenics in the hospital, train them into a trade,

1719
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,199
and get them out of the hospital so they had work.

1720
01:35:19,159 --> 01:35:23,239
But they would eventually go off of their medications, you know,

1721
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,680
and and it's like that was weird. So I started

1722
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,319
asking them question why are you why are you doing that?

1723
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,760
And they'd say, well, the side effects were awful, you know,

1724
01:35:35,039 --> 01:35:38,960
which was true. So I went, well, that that doesn't

1725
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,239
explain at all, because the psychosis is worse than the

1726
01:35:42,279 --> 01:35:45,479
side effects. You know, you're seeing monsters, you're hearing things,

1727
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:49,520
you're having a ghost talk in your ear, you're feeling rotten,

1728
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,600
you can if you have scratches on your back. You know,

1729
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,399
all this all of a sudden, you look at the DSM,

1730
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:59,079
the psychiatric Bible, and you'll see all these nasty traits

1731
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,039
of what it's like to be psychotic. It's awful. It's

1732
01:36:02,039 --> 01:36:05,760
a living nightmare. It's much worse than the side effects

1733
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:10,880
of these drugs. So I started asking everybody who went

1734
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,359
off their meds once they were back on their meds,

1735
01:36:13,399 --> 01:36:15,720
and they were saying, again, why'd you go off their meds?

1736
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,640
The first answer was the side effects are awful, you know,

1737
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,199
so okay, granted, what side effects did you experience? Because

1738
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:27,199
they didn't all experience the same side effects, They've experienced

1739
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:29,479
different ones, and they'd come up with four or five.

1740
01:36:30,319 --> 01:36:33,319
And then I had a check sheet of all these

1741
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:37,760
nasty psychological symptoms of being psychotic. You know, the voices,

1742
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:46,279
the you know, the nightmares, being attacked, having you being scratched,

1743
01:36:47,399 --> 01:36:50,159
the paranoia, I mean, just the whole page of these things,

1744
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:53,359
and I'd hand them that. I said, check all these

1745
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:58,199
factors of being psychotic that you've experienced, and they did.

1746
01:36:58,279 --> 01:37:00,560
And then I'd hand them both sheets and I said,

1747
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:04,359
which one's worst. One hundred percent of them said being

1748
01:37:04,399 --> 01:37:08,920
psychotic in a psychotic state was worse than taking the meds.

1749
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,640
And then I'd ask them, well, then, why don't you

1750
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:17,159
stop taking the meds? Their answer was consistently, I don't know.

1751
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:22,199
Three years of I don't know, and I kept asking them.

1752
01:37:22,319 --> 01:37:25,720
I felt like a crazy guy myself, asking the same question,

1753
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,399
getting the same answer over and over again, hoping that

1754
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:31,640
I would get a different answer one day. So what

1755
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,159
happened back then? The only thing we had back then

1756
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:38,279
was these drugs, and that's what they were using for

1757
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:43,720
every mental illness. I mean these drugs. So there was

1758
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,960
one gal who was taking cosmetology classes and she was

1759
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,560
making good grades, she was doing well. She was taking

1760
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,960
her meds, but she had already gone off her meds twice.

1761
01:37:52,399 --> 01:37:55,439
If she went off from again, she would be discharged.

1762
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,079
So here she is, coming up on graduation. The voices

1763
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:01,800
got her to go off the meds. She went psychotic

1764
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,720
in the cosmetology school. Had to go out there and

1765
01:38:06,079 --> 01:38:08,600
drag her out of there because she was cursing everybody

1766
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,800
and raining and raving and just all over the place.

1767
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,399
She was completely psychotic, so I had to bring her

1768
01:38:14,399 --> 01:38:19,079
to the psychiatrist, got her drugged again. Once she reconstituted

1769
01:38:19,159 --> 01:38:23,680
and was back to normal, i'd ask her. She was

1770
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,520
told we were going to discharge her because she went

1771
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,600
off to meds the third time. So I called her

1772
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,920
mother and I said, we're discharging her. She had three chances.

1773
01:38:33,239 --> 01:38:35,560
She went off her med the third time. She's not

1774
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,479
going to stay on her meds when we release her,

1775
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,079
so we're going to have to discharge her. And her

1776
01:38:41,079 --> 01:38:43,760
mother just virtually begged me, don't do that. I can't

1777
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,359
handle her. I can't I don't know what to do

1778
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:48,279
with her here. Please don't discharge. I'll come up there

1779
01:38:48,279 --> 01:38:50,920
and we'll find out why she went off for meds.

1780
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,840
And I said, I felt bad for her, so I said, okay,

1781
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,439
all right, come on up next Friday. So she comes

1782
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,399
up next Friday. We bring the girl in and both

1783
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,760
of us are or honor close the door. Why did

1784
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,399
you go off your meds? You knew you were going

1785
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,239
to be discharged, You knew you weren't going to get

1786
01:39:07,279 --> 01:39:11,359
your cosmetology certificate, then your license. You knew you were

1787
01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:12,880
going to lose at all. Why did you go off

1788
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,880
your meds? A third time, she goes, you won't believe me,

1789
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,439
and I said, well, try me. I've heard some really

1790
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:20,680
strange stuff since i've been here. I don't think you're

1791
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,520
going to tell me anything that's going to throw me

1792
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:28,039
out of killed her and she says, because the voices

1793
01:39:28,319 --> 01:39:31,760
told me that the psychiatrists were poisoning me. And they

1794
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:35,279
pointed to the side effects of the drugs as the

1795
01:39:35,359 --> 01:39:40,159
side effects of being poisoned. And that was true. She

1796
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:44,439
was in a way being poisoned, and the voices said,

1797
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:47,680
these are the side effects of being poisoned. The psychiatrist

1798
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:53,199
is trying to poison you. That explained why psychiatrists were

1799
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:56,479
getting beat up at the rate they were, because here's

1800
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:58,840
the voices telling these guys, he's poisoning it.

1801
01:40:00,279 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 3: You are trying to kill you.

1802
01:40:02,319 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 4: Yes, yep, that explained it right there. That was the

1803
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,279
best explanation I've ever seen it. I've ever seen you know.

1804
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,760
So that's that's one of the big things I learned

1805
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,880
about in the in the psych hospital. After seven years.

1806
01:40:16,119 --> 01:40:20,359
But when I when I left there after the PhD program,

1807
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,319
ended up working in the psychology department of a large

1808
01:40:24,319 --> 01:40:28,680
state prison here in Arizona. Now it was full of

1809
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:32,479
schizophrenics because they had closed down all the all the

1810
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,720
state hospitals, so these people had nowhere to go. They

1811
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,000
couldn't hold a job. They weren't going to go to

1812
01:40:38,039 --> 01:40:39,880
a mental health center and go through all the trouble.

1813
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,800
They needed to to go take these toxic drugs, so

1814
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:44,520
they were out on the streets and the only thing

1815
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,520
they could do is use drugs and sell drugs and

1816
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:50,479
rob people. That's how they survived, you know. So the

1817
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:53,760
prison was full of these guys, and I was like,

1818
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,600
oh my god, here I am back back there again.

1819
01:40:57,279 --> 01:41:00,239
It was like the Lord grabbed me and said, hey,

1820
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:02,720
you've had your break, you've had your little stint in

1821
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,880
graduate school. Now get back in there. And it threw

1822
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,760
me back in there with them again. All right. So

1823
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,439
I already knew what I learned from the state hospital

1824
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,800
in there and picked up from there, but I didn't

1825
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:18,439
have any interference in the prison with asking them whatever

1826
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:21,680
I wanted to ask them. So if one of those

1827
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,359
one of the prisoners went up to the warden and said, Oh,

1828
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,359
the psych is asking me questions about the voices, and

1829
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,439
I don't like it. You know that the warden is

1830
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,520
going to get out of here, go play into traffic, man,

1831
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:34,800
go run around, go out, get out of here. You know,

1832
01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:39,960
that wouldn't even break the level of concern for anything.

1833
01:41:40,399 --> 01:41:43,239
I mean, it just it wouldn't. It would be like

1834
01:41:44,199 --> 01:41:48,000
background noise. It wouldn't be like in the state hospital

1835
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,159
where that was a big thing. You don't do that,

1836
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,439
you know. So what I did is form these groups

1837
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:56,159
of schizophrenics who would tell me in real time what

1838
01:41:56,279 --> 01:41:59,920
the voices were telling them. Right, So I had I

1839
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:04,600
had like a window into their psychosis. And for a

1840
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:07,399
period of time I was actually carrying on conversations with

1841
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:10,960
these things, talking to them, walking them into the light,

1842
01:42:11,079 --> 01:42:14,640
and they were disappearing. And then I got this real

1843
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,680
strong feeling that I shouldn't be doing that, you know,

1844
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:21,439
So I backed off that and kept studying these patterns.

1845
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:23,800
So I'm like, Okay, what can I do? What would

1846
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:27,279
happen if I started interfering with these patterns, you know,

1847
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:32,439
throwing roadblocks and throwing monkey wrenches into these patterns? What

1848
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,680
would happen? And I started doing that I gave these

1849
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,079
guys assignments and I would see them once a week

1850
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,239
and I said, come back next week and tell me

1851
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:42,760
how the voice has reacted to what you were doing.

1852
01:42:43,159 --> 01:42:46,199
Twenty third psalm was one of those things. The ninety

1853
01:42:46,199 --> 01:42:50,960
first psalm was another one. Calling them liars was another one.

1854
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:54,720
You know, So all these different things to counter what

1855
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:57,880
they were saying, and one after another they would show

1856
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:59,680
up back and they go, the voices don't want me

1857
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,439
coming here. They don't like you, they don't like what

1858
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:05,159
you're doing. They don't want me to participate with this.

1859
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:07,520
They say you're a crazy man, and not they have

1860
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,720
anything to do with you. One after another, you know.

1861
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:13,479
And that happened for years because I always had a

1862
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,159
group in the prison. They would change, but I always

1863
01:43:16,199 --> 01:43:19,359
had a group of twelve to sixteen prisoners who were

1864
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,359
willing to tell me in real time what the voices

1865
01:43:22,399 --> 01:43:26,119
were telling them. And the patterns were the same. They

1866
01:43:26,119 --> 01:43:29,279
were negative, they were anti religious. They foster and create

1867
01:43:29,359 --> 01:43:32,800
negative emotion. They energetically drained their victim. They got louder

1868
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:37,399
after sunset, they got louder when ignored. So the psychiatrists

1869
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:41,319
were telling them, oh, they're just hallucinations. Just ignore them. No,

1870
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:43,720
and I bring them in. I said, how'd that work

1871
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,640
for you? Is it not? Well, they got louder. So

1872
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,199
if they tried to ignore them, they got louder, they

1873
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:52,439
got more persistent, you know. So that was funk. And

1874
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:55,439
it just went on and on. They foster self destructive behavior,

1875
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,760
they foster isolation, they demand the attention. It just goes

1876
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,880
on and on. For twenty three of them. Go to

1877
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:04,279
my website at Jerry Marzinski dot com, go to articles.

1878
01:44:04,279 --> 01:44:12,439
They're all there. Okay, So some of them started recovering. Okay,

1879
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,880
and then one of them came in one day after

1880
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,079
I had got them working with him. He was getting

1881
01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:21,840
slowly getting better, and he turns around in the doorway

1882
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,039
and he says, you know what you're doing is dangerous,

1883
01:44:24,039 --> 01:44:28,000
don't you? And that never crossed my mind. I'm thinking, well,

1884
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:31,119
they're stuck in their heads. They're not stuck in my head.

1885
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,399
You know, I can't feel them, I can't see them.

1886
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:36,880
You know, I'm not worried about it. But that was

1887
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,159
like a shot across the bow. I kind of took

1888
01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:41,760
that and just filed it in the back of my mind,

1889
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,840
going that was interesting. I didn't say anything. He didn't

1890
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,159
say anything more, and I just I just went, Okay,

1891
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:52,319
that's something to be noted. And the next thing that

1892
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:55,800
happened is one of these guys, let me see. He

1893
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:01,279
came in and he knocked on my door and he

1894
01:45:01,319 --> 01:45:03,119
didn't have a pass, so I don't know how he

1895
01:45:03,159 --> 01:45:06,000
got into the medical unit. So he made his way

1896
01:45:06,039 --> 01:45:08,640
into my office, knocked on the door and I was

1897
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:10,760
surprised to see him without a pass. And he says,

1898
01:45:11,399 --> 01:45:14,760
the voices want to talk to you. They want to

1899
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,039
talk to me personally. He said, yeah, they want to

1900
01:45:17,039 --> 01:45:19,960
talk to you personally. That had never happened before in

1901
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,640
twenty five years of working with these people. That had

1902
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:26,680
never happened. It was always, you know, I would tell

1903
01:45:27,239 --> 01:45:31,439
the patient what to tell the voices. The patient would

1904
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:33,840
tell me what the voices were saying. So it always

1905
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:38,720
go through the patient. This was a direct communication and

1906
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,039
I closed the door, got him and sit down, Well

1907
01:45:41,079 --> 01:45:43,960
what do they have to say? And even up to

1908
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,720
that point, I didn't believe they were demons. I didn't

1909
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:48,840
want to believe they were demons. I was in denial.

1910
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:52,079
My denial system was in shatters. I mean it was tattered.

1911
01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:55,479
It was just hanging together with duct tape and frigging

1912
01:45:56,239 --> 01:45:59,960
you know, glue. I mean, it was just it was,

1913
01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:01,520
and it was about to collapse.

1914
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 3: I already had a blouse. It's hanging on by three.

1915
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,159
Speaker 4: Hanging on by a thread, you know. And so I

1916
01:46:10,199 --> 01:46:12,880
asked the guy said, well, what do they have to say?

1917
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:17,039
These words came out of his mouth. You have no

1918
01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:23,119
right to interfere with our way of life. Boom. Right away.

1919
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:27,039
I knew that was them, you know, our way of life.

1920
01:46:27,359 --> 01:46:30,279
And here's the prisoner saying, that's not me, that's them.

1921
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,359
Those those words didn't come from me. They came from them,

1922
01:46:34,199 --> 01:46:36,479
you know. And and he was serious. I could tell

1923
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:38,760
he wasn't lying, you know, working in the prison, you

1924
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:41,119
can tell when somebody's lying to you pretty quick after

1925
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:45,880
a while. And he goes, I didn't say that they

1926
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:50,079
said it. And I said, well, tell them this, and

1927
01:46:50,359 --> 01:46:52,760
he said, I don't have to tell him anything. They

1928
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,800
can hear what you say. They can they can see you.

1929
01:46:56,199 --> 01:46:59,039
I don't have to tell them anything. And that struck me.

1930
01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:01,119
It's like I didn't know that, you know, I didn't

1931
01:47:01,159 --> 01:47:02,880
know they could see and hear me. I thought they

1932
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,000
could only see and hear what the guy was telling them.

1933
01:47:05,359 --> 01:47:08,079
So that blew me away. So my head just like

1934
01:47:08,119 --> 01:47:10,439
it was outer the limits time. Do do do do? Do?

1935
01:47:10,279 --> 01:47:14,039
Do do doo. It was at that point after probably

1936
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,680
it's probably around twenty five years or more, that I

1937
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:22,119
finally came to the realization that these things were not

1938
01:47:22,359 --> 01:47:26,159
some sigment of their subconscious mind. They were not a

1939
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:31,239
biochemical imbalance, they were not a genetic anything. This was

1940
01:47:31,279 --> 01:47:35,119
a spiritual entity who could think and speak and was

1941
01:47:35,159 --> 01:47:39,119
coherent and could be logical, you know, and was speaking

1942
01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:43,399
directly to me and warning me away, you know. So

1943
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,720
that blew my mind. It was just h do do

1944
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:49,560
do do? Do? Do? Do? Do? Like, so I closed

1945
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:51,560
my office after I didn't see anybody the rest of

1946
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:53,920
the day. I was just staring out the window, just

1947
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,239
with that realization. It's like, where is this going? You know?

1948
01:47:57,319 --> 01:48:00,840
I didn't have any uh uh cognitive map about how

1949
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:04,520
to deal with demons or these spirits. I didn't you know.

1950
01:48:05,239 --> 01:48:08,159
It's like I knew they existed, but I never thought

1951
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:11,920
that I would be interacting with them or dealing with them. Yeah,

1952
01:48:12,359 --> 01:48:16,159
it was like, you know, all those years that they

1953
01:48:16,279 --> 01:48:18,760
I went through all this, you know, what is it?

1954
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:22,279
Four five, six, seven, eight years of higher education undergraduate

1955
01:48:22,279 --> 01:48:28,000
and graduate school never mentioned anything about the voices other

1956
01:48:28,079 --> 01:48:32,800
than they were auditory hallucinations. M h, this is a

1957
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:36,359
whole different level. They're not even they're not even cognizant

1958
01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:38,680
in this. They're not even on the same page. They're

1959
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:42,279
not in the same universe. You know. They're just blowing

1960
01:48:42,279 --> 01:48:47,399
these things off and they're not in Yeah, because because

1961
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,119
they say so, you know. So it didn't end there.

1962
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,239
I was reading a book by Miguel Rouiz calls The

1963
01:48:55,079 --> 01:48:58,880
Voice of Knowledge, and he was talking about something similar

1964
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:01,439
to these. He was a shaman and he was also

1965
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:06,359
speaking and saying they are energy vampires also. So I

1966
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:10,920
brought that book in. I outlined that that that paragraph,

1967
01:49:11,239 --> 01:49:13,760
and I brought one of these guys in and I said,

1968
01:49:15,359 --> 01:49:17,840
I was always asking him questions. I said, I brought

1969
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:19,399
something in. I want to read you, and I'd like

1970
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:25,359
your opinion on it, okay, And I started reading, and

1971
01:49:26,199 --> 01:49:27,960
I think this might have been the same guy that

1972
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,439
gave me the warning. I started reading and I got

1973
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:34,560
to the poor part where they were he said they

1974
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:39,239
were energetic vampires. And then I'm looking at this guy

1975
01:49:39,279 --> 01:49:42,039
for an answer, and he just turned into a zombie.

1976
01:49:42,079 --> 01:49:45,680
He's just staring at me, and I'm like, what's going

1977
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:49,840
on with him? And so he's going to attack, So

1978
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:51,960
I pushed my chair against the wall just in case

1979
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:56,560
he did. And then this loud electrical crackling exploded from

1980
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,920
behind my head and it started moving on the wall

1981
01:50:00,039 --> 01:50:02,800
toward the right hand wall, and I'm like, what the

1982
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,319
blazes is that? And then it just started crackling up

1983
01:50:06,399 --> 01:50:09,560
the right wall at a forty five degree angle for

1984
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,640
the ceiling, and I'm like, what is that. I couldn't

1985
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:15,399
see anything, I didn't smell anything, but I could hear

1986
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:17,840
it and it was moving. So I look at him

1987
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,399
and I said, do you hear that? And he doesn't answer.

1988
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:25,039
He's just staring at me with this you know, like look,

1989
01:50:25,159 --> 01:50:28,479
you know, it's like this zombie like look. He's just

1990
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:31,600
staring at me. And that thing continues all the way

1991
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,640
up to the ceiling and then it crosses the office

1992
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:38,319
up in the back of the room at the ceiling

1993
01:50:38,399 --> 01:50:41,039
where the crease came together, and I could see him

1994
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:43,640
and I could I could kind of frack where that

1995
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,239
sound is. At the same time, because I was halfway

1996
01:50:46,279 --> 01:50:50,000
expecting him to get up an attack. So it's here.

1997
01:50:50,039 --> 01:50:52,239
It comes down the left hand wall and it jumps

1998
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,800
into this rubber made trash cane right next to my

1999
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,039
left leg, and I bend over and I look in

2000
01:50:57,079 --> 01:50:59,319
there and there's nothing there. There's not even a sheet

2001
01:50:59,319 --> 01:51:01,920
of paper in there, due made porter had cleaned it

2002
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:06,600
the night before. There's nothing there except the crackling. And

2003
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:09,039
then when I look down there, this is just boom,

2004
01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:12,960
just like that, it disappears, that's gone, and I'm in shock,

2005
01:51:13,079 --> 01:51:15,520
and I'm like, what is going on here? And he

2006
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:20,439
slowly gets up and he goes, I gotta leave, and

2007
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:22,840
he shuffles out of the office, and I'm like, he says,

2008
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,439
get out of here, go.

2009
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 2: Go, I gotta leave a little closer to your mouth, Jerry.

2010
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:36,520
Speaker 4: Okay, all right? So he says I gotta leave. And

2011
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:40,920
I was immensely really that he was leaving you. And

2012
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:42,680
I get I get up. After he left, I get

2013
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,560
up and I I searched the walls. I'm looking at

2014
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,439
the walls, I look at the ceiling. I look at

2015
01:51:48,039 --> 01:51:51,079
there were no burn marks, you know, there was no smell,

2016
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:53,520
there was no smoke, there was no you know. It's

2017
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:58,079
like I'm thinking, I'm going psychotic. You know, I'm I'm

2018
01:51:58,119 --> 01:52:00,760
getting battye I. I can't explain any of this, you know,

2019
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:04,760
it made no sense. It was like what just happened?

2020
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:07,600
And where is this all going? I didn't call him

2021
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:10,680
back for two to three months, you know, I was.

2022
01:52:11,159 --> 01:52:13,119
I was like, I don't want to see him again.

2023
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:15,840
So I think it was like three months. I finally

2024
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:17,640
put out a pass for him to come back to

2025
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:21,439
the office and he comes back and he's looking good.

2026
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:24,359
I mean, he looks good. He's got good energy, he

2027
01:52:24,399 --> 01:52:27,920
doesn't look depressed. You know. I said, what, you're looking good,

2028
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,399
I'm surprised. He goes, why are you surprised? He said,

2029
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:34,760
I'm doing what you told me. They're not getting any worse,

2030
01:52:35,239 --> 01:52:37,079
but I'm not getting any better. So it's like a

2031
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:40,760
Mexican standoff, you know. And I said, come on and

2032
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,000
sit down, and we did some small talk, and I said,

2033
01:52:44,039 --> 01:52:45,880
do you remember the last time you were in here?

2034
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:50,039
Said did you hear that crackling? And he said, yeah,

2035
01:52:50,079 --> 01:52:52,640
I heard it, but I'm surprised you did. So I was.

2036
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:55,319
I was immensely relieved that he heard it, that somebody

2037
01:52:55,319 --> 01:53:00,880
else beside me he did, yeah, and he us you know,

2038
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,920
he told me that. He said he he hears it periodically,

2039
01:53:04,279 --> 01:53:08,119
it doesn't last as long, but when it does happen

2040
01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:11,159
and he's with somebody, he just ignores it. And and

2041
01:53:11,159 --> 01:53:15,439
and just like it didn't happen, and and uh, you know,

2042
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:17,359
if anybody asked him about it, he said, I didn't

2043
01:53:17,359 --> 01:53:20,199
hear anything, you know, but this went on for minutes.

2044
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:22,520
I mean, it wasn't like it just a little blurb

2045
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,159
that you could explain away. This went on for a

2046
01:53:25,279 --> 01:53:29,199
long time, you know. And uh, you know, I asked

2047
01:53:29,279 --> 01:53:32,960
him about it. I said, uh, what was that? He said,

2048
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:36,600
that was them? I said them who? He said, the voices?

2049
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:40,479
I said, what in the blazes were they doing? He

2050
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:43,600
said they were trying to scare you away. And I said, well,

2051
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:49,159
they did a damn good job of it. And uh h,

2052
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:53,039
I said, I asked him. What did I ask him next? Oh?

2053
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:56,640
It was uh? I said, you've really looked weird when

2054
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,760
this was happening. And when you got up, I mean

2055
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:04,039
you you you you look. What were the voices telling

2056
01:54:04,079 --> 01:54:06,920
you when you got up and left my office? You

2057
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:08,800
said they were telling me to go get a shank

2058
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:12,039
and stick it in your gut. And I was thinking well,

2059
01:54:12,079 --> 01:54:13,880
he wouldn't do that. I've been working with him for

2060
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:16,720
six months. You know, he's he's in better shape than

2061
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:18,920
he'd been when he was on the outside. He was

2062
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:23,680
getting better. And I'm like, he wouldn't do that. And

2063
01:54:24,039 --> 01:54:27,039
I asked him, well, why didn't you do it? His

2064
01:54:27,239 --> 01:54:31,239
response was, I couldn't find one and nobody would give

2065
01:54:31,279 --> 01:54:35,279
me one. So I'm like, do do do do?

2066
01:54:37,399 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 2: That's just right there. I think that that just goes

2067
01:54:40,039 --> 01:54:41,920
to show that the Lord's hand is on you.

2068
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2069
01:54:45,439 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 4: Well, I felt that I was being protected, but i

2070
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:51,760
i you know, it's kind of like it's getting to

2071
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:53,600
the point where it's going to have to be some

2072
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:56,680
pretty strong protection. You know. It's like when my office

2073
01:54:56,760 --> 01:55:01,039
walls start crackling due to these entities, It's like, where

2074
01:55:01,119 --> 01:55:03,640
is this going? You know. I didn't have any cognitive

2075
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:06,560
map of how to deal with entities, and it wasn't like,

2076
01:55:07,479 --> 01:55:09,439
you know, I knew they were there. I knew, you know,

2077
01:55:10,399 --> 01:55:13,039
Jesus cast them out twenty three times out of in

2078
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:15,880
the Bible, so I was aware that they existed, but

2079
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,920
I never thought I would be face to face with them,

2080
01:55:19,359 --> 01:55:21,800
you know, and and dealing with them, and that they

2081
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:25,640
didn't like me. They didn't like me a lot. It

2082
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:27,520
wasn't just a little bit there. They didn't like me

2083
01:55:28,039 --> 01:55:31,640
a lot because I was operating in the prison. Yeah,

2084
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:35,479
that was their the prison was there, that was their territory,

2085
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,560
and I was an interloper, you know. So I was

2086
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:44,880
being attacked by demonic staff, mainly my supervisor, you know,

2087
01:55:45,159 --> 01:55:50,319
and uh, the head of the psyche department. So when

2088
01:55:50,359 --> 01:55:54,199
they found out that these guys were recovering, they would

2089
01:55:54,199 --> 01:55:57,039
go and they would start asking them questions about what

2090
01:55:57,159 --> 01:56:00,239
I was doing with them in the office, right, And

2091
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they were smart enough for the most part to know

2092
01:56:02,279 --> 01:56:05,439
what these guys were doing, and they didn't tell them anything.

2093
01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:09,239
So here's these guys trying to run an investigation and

2094
01:56:09,279 --> 01:56:11,840
they didn't have anything. They had no button. None of

2095
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:16,199
the schizophrenics would give them any information at all. And

2096
01:56:16,199 --> 01:56:19,279
so I was being protected by a function of so

2097
01:56:19,399 --> 01:56:24,680
called lunatics and they couldn't break through them. You So,

2098
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:27,720
for months and months they were trying to get one

2099
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:31,079
after another after another. Then finally they got one who

2100
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:37,119
he had fully recovered. They had a valid MMPI on him.

2101
01:56:37,159 --> 01:56:40,800
It's their gold standard psych test that showed that when

2102
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:45,439
he entered the prison. He was psychotic, so he wouldn't

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01:56:45,439 --> 01:56:48,880
tell them anything. Matter of fact. When when the psychologist

2104
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:53,560
asked him, like, what's he doing with you? He responded

2105
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:55,359
helping it, not like.

2106
01:56:55,439 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 3: U, asshole.

2107
01:56:58,279 --> 01:57:01,319
Speaker 4: That didn't go over well. They could have gone all

2108
01:57:01,399 --> 01:57:03,960
day without saying that, so that just kind of pissed

2109
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,000
them off royally. So he said, would you be willing

2110
01:57:07,039 --> 01:57:09,119
to take another test? Would you be willing to take

2111
01:57:09,159 --> 01:57:12,119
another MMPI? He said, sure, I'll take another test. I'll

2112
01:57:12,119 --> 01:57:15,000
take your test. He took it. It turned out to

2113
01:57:15,039 --> 01:57:18,640
be a valid profile and the guy was no longer

2114
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:23,560
psychotic according to their golden standard psych tests. So that

2115
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:27,199
really warped their mind. So instead of being happy that

2116
01:57:27,279 --> 01:57:30,560
this guy recovered, they started pacing around like a couple

2117
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,840
of demons, back and forth, back and forth. They were

2118
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:38,359
actually afraid, you know. And I'm like, what's that reaction?

2119
01:57:38,439 --> 01:57:41,439
Why are they behaving that way? Why aren't they happy

2120
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,760
that these guys are recovering. They don't need to be

2121
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,479
on the psyche drugs anymore. They've gone off their psyche

2122
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:50,520
drugs and they're still stable. That bothered them no end,

2123
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:54,479
And I'm like, why why they should be happy they're

2124
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,399
not paying for these expensive psyche drugs. This guy's back

2125
01:57:57,399 --> 01:58:00,359
to normal again, he's going to be able to function again,

2126
01:58:00,479 --> 01:58:04,159
and these guys are pacing around like freaking psycho you

2127
01:58:04,199 --> 01:58:09,720
know both. I couldn't figure it. It just it just

2128
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:14,960
warped my mind. Why would anybody be objecting to these

2129
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:24,520
guys recovering? Yeah, bro, it was Yeah. So so they

2130
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:26,880
went they went after me, and it was time after

2131
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:31,520
time after time, and finally one guy snitched me off. Yeah,

2132
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:34,640
he told he told me, and it was like I

2133
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,560
was I was being attacked from all directions, you know.

2134
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:41,600
So it was like I was within I was within

2135
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:45,239
striking range of retirement. Back then, you could buy back

2136
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:49,760
some of your retirement. So I bought back all the

2137
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:52,680
retirement that I could get, and then I just told him,

2138
01:58:52,840 --> 01:59:00,880
you know, I'm out of here. I hit the ejection seat.

2139
01:58:58,439 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 3: While you're there, man though.

2140
01:59:03,239 --> 01:59:06,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I eventually dropped my license when I started

2141
01:59:06,079 --> 01:59:08,680
talking about this in public, because I know they would

2142
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:11,520
have went after that license practice, No doubt they would

2143
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,920
have went after it. They would have drumm yep, they

2144
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,359
would yep. They would have drummed something up and they

2145
01:59:16,359 --> 01:59:19,199
would have said, you know, we took this guy's license

2146
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:21,399
away because he did this or did that. They would

2147
01:59:21,399 --> 01:59:23,760
have made up something, so I just let it expire

2148
01:59:24,279 --> 01:59:27,159
on good terms. They had nothing but a positive record,

2149
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:30,840
you know, and now working with the ACE, the Mace

2150
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:34,399
energy method, it's not even in there. I mean, it's

2151
01:59:34,399 --> 01:59:37,000
so far out from anything.

2152
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:42,279
Speaker 3: They understand the spiritual They think that's all nonsense.

2153
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:47,039
Speaker 4: Well, it does have a spiritual component, and that's the

2154
01:59:47,079 --> 01:59:50,000
only reason it works, you know, because the person's spirit

2155
01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:54,680
actually dissolves that negative energy once you set up the

2156
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:56,720
the format for it to do.

2157
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 2: So.

2158
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it works better than anything I've ever seen,

2159
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:05,399
you know, I've never seen a therapy work like that,

2160
02:00:06,039 --> 02:00:08,640
you know, and it's quick and it's prom.

2161
02:00:09,319 --> 02:00:12,199
Speaker 3: Well, got you're looking up on two hours now, so

2162
02:00:12,279 --> 02:00:15,239
I have dropped a bow on this. There's anything else

2163
02:00:15,239 --> 02:00:18,359
you guys want to address before while we wrap up?

2164
02:00:18,439 --> 02:00:20,399
Time flies when you're having fun. I just hadn't looked

2165
02:00:20,439 --> 02:00:22,239
up and see I was like, we're on two hours, bro.

2166
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:29,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well there's a I think I've got some videos

2167
02:00:29,359 --> 02:00:32,560
on it on my website at Jerrymarsinky dot com. Any

2168
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:34,640
of you that are hearing voices out there, you can

2169
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:37,520
go to my website, go to the articles and pull

2170
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:41,079
up that that's a live program. That program was written

2171
02:00:41,079 --> 02:00:46,239
by Sherry, my co author, and it works because it

2172
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:50,760
tells you that the demons are separate, that they're consummate liars.

2173
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,319
They lie about everything. They have to get you to

2174
02:00:53,439 --> 02:00:56,119
believe what they're saying for them to have the control

2175
02:00:56,119 --> 02:00:58,600
over you. If you realize they're not you, they're not

2176
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:01,119
coming from you, they don't belong to you, they never did,

2177
02:01:01,439 --> 02:01:04,560
and that they're consummate liars, it makes a lot harder

2178
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:06,840
for them to control you if you don't believe anything

2179
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:10,159
they're saying because you know they're liars.

2180
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:15,479
Speaker 2: Well yep. And then also Jerry works with people with

2181
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,680
his mace energy method, and I think they can sign

2182
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:18,880
them to your website, right.

2183
02:01:22,279 --> 02:01:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's there's a whole bunch of testimonials on

2184
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:31,039
the website also to how well this stuff works, so

2185
02:01:31,079 --> 02:01:34,119
that you can go also go to causesminstitute dot com

2186
02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:36,439
and look at what they have to say too. They

2187
02:01:36,479 --> 02:01:38,720
call it causes them because it gets to the cause

2188
02:01:39,079 --> 02:01:42,520
of the psychological problem. It doesn't just mess with the symptoms.

2189
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:45,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem in Big Farm of today and

2190
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:49,319
the whole outfit. Man, it's it's it's masking and treating

2191
02:01:49,399 --> 02:01:53,479
because that's more profitable than cures. I've said that many times.

2192
02:01:54,039 --> 02:01:59,840
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, they don't cure anything. Nothing's being cured pro psychiatry.

2193
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:06,720
Speaker 3: No, well, roserything you want to plug for, we head out.

2194
02:02:05,399 --> 02:02:08,039
Speaker 2: You know, you guys can I mean I pray for

2195
02:02:08,119 --> 02:02:10,840
people as well. It's just on my website, demon erasers

2196
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:13,319
dot com. I've reduced the amount of people that are

2197
02:02:13,359 --> 02:02:15,720
allowed to sign up, so I've had to shorten it.

2198
02:02:16,119 --> 02:02:19,840
So if there's no available spots, it's just wait. Every

2199
02:02:20,479 --> 02:02:24,199
every Saturday, new new spots should open up for the

2200
02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:27,800
next session. And uh, you know that I just pray

2201
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,439
with people and dealing with all kinds of demonic stuff,

2202
02:02:30,479 --> 02:02:33,680
you know, doing you know, we're just helping people as

2203
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:36,159
best as we can and sharing the knowledge and understanding

2204
02:02:36,159 --> 02:02:39,479
that we got. And uh yeah, that's all I got.

2205
02:02:42,399 --> 02:02:44,840
Speaker 4: And I've watched Brian work. He works with the big guys,

2206
02:02:45,319 --> 02:02:46,199
he works with the guys.

2207
02:02:46,359 --> 02:02:50,079
Speaker 2: Sur It's very uh you know, it's rewarding though, when

2208
02:02:50,119 --> 02:02:52,680
you really see people come yield from stuff like that,

2209
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:55,199
you know what I mean, Like, there's nothing like it

2210
02:02:55,239 --> 02:02:58,840
when you realize you can actually help people and you

2211
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:06,199
see the out afterwards and it's just like, yeah.

2212
02:03:05,800 --> 02:03:08,560
Speaker 4: Same thing with the mace. You see the outcome afterward

2213
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:11,199
and it's instantaneous. They feel totally different.

2214
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:14,319
Speaker 2: Than it's worth it. It makes it worth it.

2215
02:03:14,319 --> 02:03:17,399
Speaker 4: It's so cool man. Yeah, yeah, amen, yes it does.

2216
02:03:17,479 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know this podcast. I love, uh research and stuff,

2217
02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:27,720
learning stuff and uh looking into these various subjects that

2218
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:30,520
I find fascinating, and I just happened to start recording

2219
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:34,039
them for other people. Found I was like, maybe a

2220
02:03:34,079 --> 02:03:36,279
few other people might find it interesting and they listen

2221
02:03:36,319 --> 02:03:38,239
to But I'm doing it for selfish reasons because I

2222
02:03:38,319 --> 02:03:41,520
enjoy it. But yeah, I'll get emails from time to

2223
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:44,159
time or see messages on the YouTube channel and be like, man,

2224
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:47,439
since I discovered your channel and some of the stuff

2225
02:03:47,479 --> 02:03:49,720
you talk about, I've started reading my Bible again or

2226
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:52,720
I've started going back to church, and uh it's really

2227
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:55,399
helped me and men stuff like that. That that's that's

2228
02:03:56,159 --> 02:03:59,439
that's gassing the tank man so well kept you keep

2229
02:03:59,439 --> 02:03:59,960
going full.

2230
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:02,439
Speaker 2: Very awesome.

2231
02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:04,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, able, gentlemen.

2232
02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:08,680
Speaker 4: Well stay on for a second after you signed off, ye.

2233
02:04:09,079 --> 02:04:11,319
Speaker 3: Stop that We're have to hang out for a minute.

2234
02:04:11,439 --> 02:04:13,960
Because uh, it's got to upload the video, but it's

2235
02:04:14,039 --> 02:04:17,960
usually pretty quick. Well, guys, man, thank you so much

2236
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,319
for coming and hanging out. I appreciate you time, I

2237
02:04:20,319 --> 02:04:23,520
appreciate the conversation, and I uh I would love to

2238
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:31,239
have yours back and do this again. Yeah, absolutely awesome. Sure, well, guys,

2239
02:04:31,279 --> 02:04:32,880
be sure to check out their stuff. I might have

2240
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:35,800
links to their websites and stuff that they referenced earlier

2241
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:38,720
down in the description, and that way you can find

2242
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:41,760
all their stuff a lot more easily. Well, guys, hope

2243
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:53,319
you enjoyed that, and uh, until next time, Torch is high.