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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Tony. Welcome to Tony's House Trikes Podcast.

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Today we got Freeze in the house by a Shot

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Ridgey and Chris Pasco. It's a real banger. We got

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it cooking up on a grill right now, coming to

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you straight from west Mannheim Road out there in Elmwood

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Park out there, fiddly fucking around. It's just Tony's House

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Treks podcast. Wouldn't it be nice if that was a

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real thing, if there was actually like a you know,

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you just took like you took like a like a

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fifty five's maybe sixty year old gray west side Chicago

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Italian man. They moved there to the suburbs, you know,

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because they're they're afraid of uh, they're afraid of the banks.

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You know. It's all all the all the old Italians

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are like racists and trumpers. And I'm not I'm not racist,

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uh you know, but anyway, wouldn't that be funny if

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they was it they let's forget about all that, forget

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the social aspect of it. Wouldn't it be funny if

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that was the thing, if that was like, uh, minus

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the quasi racism. If there was like some old Italian

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guy who just had like a he was really into

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Chicago house and he had a like a Chicago House

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podcast where he just played different you know, classic Chicago house.

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I think it'd be funny, right, Like on the side,

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he's got like an Italian deli where they sell like,

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you know, one gallon jars at yard in era. Ah

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God anyway, but uh, you know, my grandma was actually

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she was actually a big supporter at a Black Panthers.

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Remember talking to me about that because she, uh, she

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saw the shit go down in the sixties and seventies

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on the West side of Chicago. Wonderful woman, God rest,

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God rest the saw, I said, God rest the saw,

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I said, Florence. We still think about you every day

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and the way that you painted the side of a

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pillar in your parking garage with the colors of your

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car because you probably should have had your license revoked

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at age seventy, right, no offense to her. She used

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to threat My grandma threatened to call the mob on

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me once, right, she got mad at me. I mean

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she was joking around, of course, but still she got

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really mad at me. She said, I'll make a phone call.

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Have you snuffed? I said, Jesus Christ would you take

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it easy? When I was making fun of her, she

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had was going through her freezer once I was like sixteen,

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and I found a frozen Chinese duck and I was like,

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the fuck is it? She had like six frozen Chinese ducks.

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I was like, what is it? Chinese duck? Is just

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a normal duck? She said, I guess she was. It

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was she was really she was a foodie. I guess

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she was, you know, duck she'd procured in Chinatown, you know,

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on the south side. Said well, that's near south side China.

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Time's on, like Cirmac and what is it Sirmac and

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State and anyway, Welcome to another episode of crime based

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by this podcast. I'm driving through. I just left Joplin,

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which you know, Joplin, Joplin, Missouri. The name Joplin translated

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into kickapoo means Joplin means translated kickapoo, salty cracker or

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these salty crackers. So I guess they had a lot

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of you know, it was a there was a you

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know in terms of dried breaded goods that are you know,

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meant to combat I meant to reply, meant to replenish

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the electrolytes that's what Joplin was known for. Joplin it

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means the salty crackers. It's this kind of a scary

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area of western Missouri. Woo. Anyway, we're going down here,

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We're driving to Saint Louis. We're going I'm doing a

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three hundred and eighty these sick focks that want to

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listen to me. Rant. I'm gonna shit all over modern horticulture.

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I'm gonna make fun of the Craig myrtles. I'm gonna

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make fun of the box woods and the home Destboo

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garden section. I think something's wrong with my car. It's

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making a funny noise, but it's running the transmissions otherwise

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running fine. And you know it was. It was real

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bleak driving up from South Texas. I mean it's it's

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seventy six degrees during the day here in late February

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in western Missouri, but it gets chilly at night. I

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had to wear a hoodie last night. I stayed at

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Gus's house, my buddy Gus in Norman, Oklahoma. You know

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you know what I got it. We went to a

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coffee chef they got you know, they got the kits

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in there with on the tattoos, since they got the

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you know, they doing all kind of stuff. You know

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that real hip These kids down there, real hip jack,

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you know in normany. I mean you they could say

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and I said, it's Oklahoma are kind of behind the times,

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but they're you know, they're really they're really hit. This

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is Tony's house, stretched pod kids. We got another banger

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coming up by start slinger, A real a real bang

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or a real buzzer. Uh fuck yeah. Anyway, we gus

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knows I bring him up because he's you know, he's

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he's one of these young kids, twenty five or so.

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I don't know how old these he's a young kid, right,

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he's not all acrid like me and he but he's

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got you know, you go to his house and he's

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got the fossil's got ammonites on there. He knows the region,

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he knows the local geology, knows all the disjunk populations.

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Did you know there's Mammalaria hidra and homelocephalae. They got

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horse cripplers. They got freaking horse cripplers over there in Oklahoma. Okay,

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they got a bunch of dis junks. They got little

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you know, disjunk populations, this stuff. He was, you know,

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he knows the You know, that's what you want. You

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want friends in different states that know the fucking regions,

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the geology and the plants and the rare dis junks

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o their other lands. He went to school for mechanical

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engineering and minored in botany. Tell me that's not a

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nice setup, right, you learn a good trade. Okay, you're

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not gonna be around all these you know, too many

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farts sniff and academics. Right, you're gonna be around, you know,

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to going to school for some pragmatic then you keep

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your foot in a you know, a good natural sciences

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education on the side, I think the great trade of

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so much of academia, especially if you're talking like social studies, sociology,

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and humanities, where people just kind of stiff each other's

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farts and rant about these obscure, uh, you know, completely

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soft science theories, theorists, you know, uh, you know. The

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tragedy is that, you know, these kids don't know basic

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fucking natural selection, natural sciences, basic biology. A lot of

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them don't because they don't they don't study it. Right.

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The answer lies in the living world. All right. You

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can pontificate all you want about fucking this and that

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and all these buzzwords that you know you hear not

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fucking going off the road again, that you hear in

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these books. You know, these kids they talking soft voices.

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Not these kids, a lot of them are adults, but

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they The point is, they sniff each other's farts and

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they you know, you want to look at people. Study

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the study anthropology study the human behavior is a semi sentient,

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recently born into consciousness, species of ape that's heavily conformist.

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and very few people stray outside of that, right and

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they and I say, semi sent you it because the

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self awareness really isn't there with most most of us.

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It takes it takes thirty plus years to gain at least,

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especially when you grow up into a society that indoctrinates

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you into bullshit. Anyway, Okay, so you know we're getting distracted.

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So I stayed at Gus's house. I was slept on

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a couch. It was nice and Norman, you know, nice

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little town. But driving up from South Texas, yes, today,

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everything was fucking dry, horrible drought there. We did just

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nab a two hundred and twenty pound pig in the

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pig trap. We got a pig trap, So thank you

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to everybody who donated to Thorn Scrub Sanctuary nonprofit to

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get the pig trap. We just shot a big two

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hundred and twenty pound hag. Got Benny out there. He

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shot the thing in the head, one shot. It went down,

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dragged it out. He's gonna cook it up. He loves it.

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He's happy. And you know, because I was out there

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nailing rebar around these big clumps of payoti that the

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picks have been destroying. And they don't even eat it.

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They like they uprooted, because that's what they do. They

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snout around. They come from the side, they don't come

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from the top. You got these big clumps of payoti

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that are maybe a foot across eight inches off the ground.

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It doesn't they paid. It doesn't behave like this in

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West Texas ver very rarely. I guess it does. Actually,

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you know what, there's a couple there's a couple places

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I've seen it, but the pet West Texas population is

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very small, and certainly if you go to San Luis

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poto c you'll see large clumps of peyote like this.

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You see many cac guy that do this. The cactody,

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the cactoid subfamily, not the prickly pairs, not the opuntioids.

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As fucking truck What are you doing? Man? What are

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you doing? Huh? You got your kidneys filled with mountain boo.

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All right, you're about eighty pounds overweight, and you're you're

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getting into the left lane even though you got nowhere

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to go. You're not. You're gonna cause an accident the

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fucking trucks. So but anyway, I was in there and

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Naleen rebar into the ground. Shout out to to H.

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William and you know the people that hooked us up

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with the rebar, and I'm drawn up lay my band

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with this farc steedd I'm sorry. In San Antonio, we

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got hooked us up with three foot sections of rebar

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and we basically nail those into the ground around these

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clumps of paoty. It doesn't look attractive, right, it's not

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photo worthy, But that's not the fucking point. The point

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is to protect these clumps from getting destroyed. And it works.

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I was in there a month ago in the little

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we call it the Elfin forest. It's like this forest

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of blackbrush which is blooming right now or trying to.

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of tree mortality, tree and shrub mortality in South Texas

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because we are in an extreme drought situation, probably exacerbated

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somewhat by fucked up climate condition is due to the

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elevated levels of CO two in the greenhouse, even though

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in an atmosphere, even though the oil companies say it

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doesn't that's that's not what's causing climate change. There is

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no climate change there. CO two does not trap, it

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does not absorb heat. Okay, everything modern physics has taught

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you is a lie. The oil companies have your best

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interest at heart. Trust them. Okay. Some ship bag that's

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living on fucking cavir and Sirloin's steak every night, he's

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got your best interest at heart. Do not trust the scientists.

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They're fucking lying to you, Okay, Jesus Christ. That's that's

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where we're at right now. Anyway. So probably exacerbated due

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to a combination of factors, you know, but certainly climate

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change is one of them, and I certainly I think

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a large part of it, too, would be the excessive

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amounts of land clearance. You know, when you can visibly

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see the amount of green space from a satellite image,

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it's been converted into concrete, shithole, sprawling parking lot hellscape.

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You can imagine, and you keep in mind that all

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those plants quote sweat, they have apple transpire moisture. You

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can imagine how that might. It just might. I don't

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know if it does it. I'm just saying it might.

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of moisture and water vapor in an area, and as

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well as the heat in an area. Doesn't it seem

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like that could happen. Doesn't it seem like that could

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be a possibility. Huh? And it seemed like it could

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be part of the reason why the immediate area is

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twenty degrees hotter than the surrounding area. You know, I

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don't want to go out there. I'm no scientists, but

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it just seems like it, you know. And then you

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scrape all that vegetative cover off and you expose the

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land to the hot sun, where it loses moisture much

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faster than it would otherwise. If it was topped by

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a living skin of scrublands and shrubs that have a

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self regulatory system that governs how slowly they let water

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transpire out other stuff. Doesn't that seem like it? You

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know it? Fuck? I give up? You know in reality

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don't makes sense no more, you know, at least human reality.

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The simulation got all fucked up a few years ago,

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maybe a few decades ago, and and you see people

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just getting dumber. I got a friend, I gotta messare

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from a friend that works for textat today the Department

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of Transportation. He said they were spreading clumps of dead

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Saint Augustine on the sides of a newly built road,

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not realizing that the sod was dead, and also not

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realizing Saint Augustine doesn't you know, it's a native grass,

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but it doesn't it doesn't grow too far away from

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the coast because it needs moisture. It's it's it's certainly

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it needs irrigation in a lawn. If you have, if

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you have a Saint Augustine lawn. Uh, not only are

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you a bastard if you live if you live in Inland, Texas,

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but you're delusional and you're gonna have to. Uh, but

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you're gonna have to water it as well or else

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it's gonna die. So anyway, so South Texas looked to

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dry as a fucking bone, very depressing, lots of extreme

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drought conditions. You can look at a drought map. I

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use the my Radar app. It's a free one. They

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got a bunch of different layers you can put on

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their recent reason accumulator, brainfall, drought conditions, et cetera. The

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Windy app is good too, Windy windy. I don't like

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that word. I just decided I don't like it, you know, windy.

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But the my Radar app you could see that, you know,

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the level of drought stress basically all around the borderlands.

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So yeah, so it's it's fucking rough down there. I

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got a nice message from a gentleman on face crook

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on the Facebook messager. I don't normally check Facebook messenger

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because Facebook's a toilet, but it does get a lot

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of the boomers into the plants, so I'll say it's

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good about it, you know. And uh, this man I

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met with the some natives who visited Thornscrub a while ago,

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and you know, some would call this guy. Other people

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I've heard call him a pretending and you know, the

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old Cherokee princess thing, like my great grandpa was like

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one tenth Cherokee whatever. The other's the thing that people do.

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I don't know if you've noticed, but anyway, you know,

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the guy swear always at least like he's like blonde hair,

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blue eye. And I'm not holding that against him, at

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least I wasn't until he I got this message from

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him yesterday where he was angrily mouthing off to me

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about some political shit like sending me elon Musk tweets,

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and I was like, you know, one of the messages

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from was from like January fifteenth. I was an Ecuador

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or no, what a fuck was I don't know where

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I was. But I didn't get the message then because

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I don't check face crook because it's a toilet. And

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I saw it now and I think he was. I

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had posted something in stories about Ice, you know, about

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the Ice kidnappers, you know, a gestapo, Trump's secret police,

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and you know, I was upset about it because you

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see videos of these thugs with masks on manhandling people.

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You know, these just chubby thugs manhandling people and dragging

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them out of their cars and shit, you know us citizens,

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and it's upset and you don't like to see that

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in a place that you know, you know, and I

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know most of the country because I've been there and

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I've travel all over and I've lived everywhere, and so

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it upset me. So I posted in my stories and

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this guy was responding, and I guess he was upset.

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So I guess he's like a right winger, which whatever,

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you know, that's fine. I worked with a couple of

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right wingers that I was friends with and we didn't

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talk about politics and we still got along, and you

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know what, it worked. You'd say, hey, man, I don't

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want to talk about this shit, right, but this gentleman

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and he's like sixty five, he should fucking know better.

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And I don't know how he rolls with a bunch

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of natives and wraps his head around being a fucking

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right winger. That seems kind of I'm a little bit

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confused by that too. You know, I'm not saying you

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can't do it right. People are really good at mental

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gym now sticks and telling themselves all kinds of stories

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and bullshit, and nobody bullshits you better than yourself. But

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I'm just saying I'm confused by it because knowing what

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I know, that seems like that would be fucking counter counterproductive.

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But there's all kinds of stupid in this country these days.

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So to each their own, right what Thompson hit some quote?

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You know, I don't argue with stupid people or Jesus freaks,

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because if they found a way to be happy in

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this fucked up round world, you know, then they've at

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least found you know, there's no point there or it

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was less the meaning the way he put it, But

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she looked at quote up. So that's kind of my

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policy too. Like I don't care. Like, there's a guy

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in a valley. He's a plant person. He got a

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big mustard, he's like a super we got a super

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Mario mustache. He's a nice guy, but he believes some

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fucking unhinged shit. I mean, the guy's a real monster

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on Facebook. The shit he posts. I don't know if

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he lets someone else get ahold of his social media,

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but he posts really ain't as shit like right, you know,

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just really like nazisque shit, And you know, all interact

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with the dudeicle sometimes guy have to go get plants

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or whatever, right, drive out to where he lives. I've

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only done like once in the last couple of years.

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And he's not a bad guy. He's just maybe he's

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the loud or I don't know. You know, we disagree

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and I'm not gonna I'm not trying to convince him

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because I don't give a shit. Let him believe what

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he believed. I don't give a fuck. Right, still be

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nice totim. I'll treat him with respect. I think he's

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a little weird on at him, but whatever, you know,

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it's none of my fucking business as long as he's

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not coming at me with it. Right, Why couldn't this

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sixty five year old man who wrote me of Cherokee

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princess guy, why couldn't Why couldn't he have just done

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that with me? And that's what I said to him,

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I said, what are you gonna bring? You really gonna imply?

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Because he was like, oh, you don't like guys. I

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thought you were smarter than that, And I think, really,

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you're gonna you're gonna fucking argue that like I'm I'm

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not intelligent because we disagree politically, You're fucking sixteen years old.

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You got the life skills of a sixteen year old.

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U you cunt. I didn't call him a cunt. I

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wouldn't do that, and I was I kept it real.

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I even call him up, pretending it kept it real.

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I was. I was cordial. You know, someone got upside

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did a podcast interview the other day and the guy was,

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you know, he was West Coast, really nice guy, but

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he was asking me I said the word cunt, and

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he got really you know I was. I was like,

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I hope you don't throw n of that out, leave

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it in, and he's like, you know, I was like,

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it's not a gender specific thing. The biggest cunts I've

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ever met in my life are always men, so don't

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you know? And I was like, you ever, And then

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he mentioned he had been to Australia, where of course

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everybody used to word cunt. You know, Hey, you're a

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good cunty. You're a good cunt, you know. But uh

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and so he's like, I know that, but you know,

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my wife she's a feminist. I said, so am I

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everyone's I mean, everybody should be a feminist, don't you know.

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It's it's the kind of nothing to do with that.

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Sometimes people are cunts. The biggest cunts are always men,

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So don't worry about it. But he's gonna think he's

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gonna go back and at anyway anyway, no, you know,

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no offense to the nice guy. But uh, anyway, So

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this guy, uh, the guy that wrote me all angry

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on Facebook. I was like, you know, I said this

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to him. I was like, you haven't figured out a

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way to just agree to disagree with people? Really, Like,

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it's my fucking story, it's my platform I'm gonna talk

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to about. I don't like seeing you know, thugs kidnapping people,

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you know, in my fucking country. I'm sorry, you know,

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you're gonna really argue with me about this, You fucking bonehead.

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I didn't call him a bonehead, but he's a fucking bonehead, right,

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I'm not saying he's a bad person. He's a fucking bonehead. Well,

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he might be a little bit, but I don't know,

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I don't know, I don't know. I don't know too

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much about the guy. He annoyed me when I first

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met him, though, I will say that me and Hovier

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both met this guy at the same time I met

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the fuck. You know, he said see he said something.

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It was like a Larry David moment. We were an actor

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interacting with him. He said something and it's like you

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don't catch it at the first time he says it,

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and you're like what, and then you think about it

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later and you're like, well that was kind of fucked

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up anyway, Okay, So yeah, I was just surprised. I

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was surprised, you know. But that's my that when I

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say that, you know, you got you've got you know,

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someone who U rolls with with the natives. It rolls

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with a native trap who's who's evidently a Trump supporter,

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and that's you know, it's confusing. It doesn't make sense.

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It doesn't have to make sense anymore. You know, there's

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a uh, there was a trans person with an SS

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tattoo who shot up a fucking uh. That doesn't make

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sense either. How are you? How are you trans? And

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you got an SS tattoo? I don't fucking know. Nothing

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makes sense. Everything's everything's just the simulations all fucked up, right,

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whoever's running it, it doesn't make sense anymore. Right, everything's

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probably a syop. Everybody's nuts. That's the way it goes, right,

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Just stop trying fuck the human world is only gonna

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get crazier. Tarres McKennis said that he was he talking

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about it's gonna get so weird. People have to start

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to start talking about how weird it is. It's been

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like that for a while anyway. So we got this pig.

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We finally trapped a pig in this uh trap. I

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was worried it wasn't gonna work. We got the trap.

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Willy brought it down. Thank you to Willy. Really did

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a lot for us, really brought it down a month ago.

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I baited it with some corn. I was in there

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hammering rebar around the payote to protect it. And it

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worked because I went back two weeks later and you

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could see where one of the pigs was rooting around

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in the ground hit the payote bar or the rebars,

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the pieces of rebar, and then stopped and didn't destroy

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this massive clump of payote, of old growth payote, which

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is you know, sacred to myself and many others. I

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don't use it. I'm just saying it's a sacred to

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stand in front of one of these things and realize

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how slow it grows and how long it's taken to

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get that large, and then you know, it's just it's

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fucking mind blowing. It's like standing in front of the

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old growth redwoods, you know, or an old growth monozuma

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Cyprus or something. It's so impressive, and I just I

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want to make sure because there's so little of that

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left in South Texas due to both the payote trade,

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the legal payote trade for natives as well as you know,

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especially land clearance. I want to make sure that that's

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impact for decades and centuries to come, which I realize

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is an uphill battle, especially with drought and habitat destruction.

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But you know, we don't have to worry about habitat destruction,

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but drought and feral animals especially. I mean these pigs,

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you know we have native have alinas. They're like a

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third the size of these fucking pigs, a fourth the size,

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you know, these have Alina's probably thirty forty pounds, like

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the size of my dogs. Right. This pig that we

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shot that Benny got went and got today because I'm

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I'm driving to Saint Louis two hundred and twenty pounds,

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A two hundred and twenty pound pig with nuts the

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size of grapefruits, super aggressive. He sent me a video

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of himself shooting it. You know, these plants have never

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this habitat has never encountered something like that before, right,

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especially when there's no predators to take it out. There

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used to be jaguars in South Texas health supposedly, I mean,

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we know for a fact there used to be jaguars

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in South Texas up until the mid nineteen thirties. But

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they're supposedly used to be jaguars up into Oklahoma, even

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in the seventeen hundreds. All we're hitting traffic here, right, so,

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but they're all gone now, all right, So you got

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maybe mountain lions, you've got bobcats. A podcast's not gonna

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do a fucking thing for a two hundred and twenty

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pound hog. And they get they get bigger than that too.

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And there was another one that we hidn't that we

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weren't able to catch on the video as well. So anyway,

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I was out there hammer and rebar into the ground

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around these payotes to protect it. These old growth payotes

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in the blackbrush forest. Again, such a wonderful smell when

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the black brush blooms, but chillier, rigid doula for BASI,

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I mean's some memozoid. It's the memosoid subfamily of the

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pea family Fabasi. And so I was hammering in and

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then we had this old feeder. I think the pigs

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like the corn when it's rotten, like they like it

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more when it's rotten. And so we had this corn

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and this old feeder and the feeder motor had busted

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and been sitting there for like a year, and the

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corn had been all infected with or infested with weavils,

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some insect which I would have loved to know the

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species of, because I've been really getting a lot more

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at that tomology lately. I said, wow. And and so

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I noticed the corn of this fucky smell. It probably

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molded a little bit too, because it does get very

464
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foggy there in the morning due to all the plant covered.

465
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,720
I had the plants sweat. There's lichen on everything, beautiful

466
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,359
clumps of lichen, which I assume the lichen's probably unaffected

467
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,200
by the drought because it can just go dorman. You know,

468
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,319
we got beard lichen on all the black brush, really

469
00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,720
wild habitat now your typical desert. Okay, A kin with

470
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:06,440
the subtropical dryland and anyway, and so I took that corn.

471
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,160
I said, what the fuck, so I gotta fight, you know,

472
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,000
why not use this and bait the trap with it?

473
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,839
Because something had been going in the trap and not

474
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,559
setting it off. At one point we trapped the buck.

475
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,839
We had to get our neighbor to come let the

476
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,119
buck out of this trap. I don't know how it

477
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,079
got in a pig trap. It barely fit. And so

478
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:25,359
so I baited it with this rotten, false smelling corn

479
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,720
that had holes in it, and apparently that worked. So

480
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:36,640
the more foul it smells, the better. And I'm just

481
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,599
happy we got this thing. You know, we got this thing.

482
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,640
We got it. We got you know this our ninth

483
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,240
pig who only got about nine hundred more to go.

484
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,359
We fenced off another area that only costs six grand.

485
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,119
We got to fence off another air, I mean, defence

486
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,720
the whole property would probably cost like fifty grand or something,

487
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,880
and it's not really feasible, and they would have to

488
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,559
clear a lot of trees that have grown up alongside

489
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:04,319
the fences, which I don't really want to do because

490
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,519
I like that. I like the trees, and they take

491
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:10,119
forever to fucking regrow, right unless you get stable rains.

492
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,920
And we're in the middle of a drought. So yeah,

493
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,599
I mean driving up from South Texas yesterday. How about

494
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,000
I did like ten hours yesterday, fucking brutal, you know,

495
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,039
driving up? Oh these lime these limestone road cuts in

496
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,319
Missouri or gorgeous. Look at that, ah, very old limestone,

497
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,079
not like the younger Cretaceous limestone we get in Texas.

498
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,480
You know, Cretaceous? Do you know how you know? You

499
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:38,319
know when a Cretaceous was from? Huh? If you don't,

500
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,440
I'm disappointed in you, and you should pay attention. You

501
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,119
should learn download one of these fucking geologic timescale apps.

502
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,839
Cretaceous was one hundred and twenty five million years ago,

503
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,440
the roughly uh sixty six million years and now roughly

504
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,079
it was very very distinct point that ended with a

505
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,519
mass extinction, the one that took out the dinosaurs. And

506
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,000
before that was the Jurassic, and before that was the Triassic.

507
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,160
The Triassic, the Jurassic and the Gretaceous compose the Musa

508
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:12,680
sloic Era, and now we're in the Sceneozoic. H God,

509
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,880
damn it. He's having trouble staying on the road. I said,

510
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,519
would you stay on the road. Look, you see the lines.

511
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,720
It's not that hard stand but playing the lines. So yeah,

512
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,559
so we anyway, I was out of thorn scrub, it

513
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:29,119
was I didn't go over to fucking lie is it?

514
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,880
Why is it beeping at me? Are you getting turned up?

515
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,359
Just listening? Am I making you nervous? I can't handle

516
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,359
people that can't handle that. You know, if you meet

517
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,960
someone who's real soft and they can't handle someone who's

518
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:45,400
kind of turned up and straight, you know, they're just real,

519
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,119
they're real sense that if they don't like it when

520
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,759
people raise there, Boy, I can't handle that because then

521
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:51,640
those people met they make me nervous. They make me

522
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,400
feel bad like I'm gonna set them off or upset

523
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,759
them just by being myself. You know what that happens.

524
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,559
I understand that it's an acquired taste, but you know,

525
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:01,920
why don't you go find someone else to hang out? Anyway?

526
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,279
So God, if you know, I was just thinking if

527
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,680
I lived in Western Missouri, I'd probably be on opis too,

528
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,359
or what do they do at here? Opiates are me?

529
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,640
It really is? It's you know, there's some beautiful areas,

530
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,680
but then there's some really ugly areas too. You know,

531
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:21,359
it's uh, there's not a lot of there's some beautiful prairies,

532
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,480
but a lot of it is just you know, destroyed

533
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:28,759
habitat and rolling hills. The amount of mowers that it

534
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:33,440
must take to keep all of this clear. And I

535
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,799
guess you had, you know, twenty two million bison doing

536
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:38,119
it before. God, you know what I you know what

537
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,200
I'd do to used to go back in time like

538
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:44,839
six hundred years and see the setup in North America? Oh,

539
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,720
can you imagine? Fucking a. It must have been incredible,

540
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,119
must have been incredible, you know, before Bucky's and billboards

541
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,839
and walmarts and I mean, you know some of those

542
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,119
modern conveniences, of course are nice, we need them, But

543
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,480
do we need to just every thank you for Okay,

544
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,680
we don't need to get this. How is Vermont the

545
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:11,240
only state that's outlawed billboards? Billboards are fucking idious? I think,

546
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,559
I mean it is allowing them? Really that good for

547
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:16,319
the economy with the billboard company? Then who's who's making

548
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,400
money off this? Right? Like a couple of schmucks that

549
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,440
have what do they do with them money? They do?

550
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,240
Is it good? Does it go towards the people. I

551
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:28,880
doubt it. Yeah, so I'm excited. I'm gonna lurk at mobile.

552
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,319
I'm gonna lurk pretty hard. I'm only gonna be I'm

553
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:34,799
driving seventeen hours one way to go lurk in Saint

554
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,000
Louis for two or three days, you know, in the winter,

555
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,240
and then and then come back. But I'm excited for

556
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,599
her to talk tomorrow. It should be it should be fun.

557
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:46,839
I'm of course getting paid, so this is work, but

558
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,960
I like doing it. And then I got a bunch

559
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000
of specimens to drop off in Missouri Botanical Garden as well,

560
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,400
which again is like the American queue, and uh, you know,

561
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,559
and then uh, I guess I'm just gonna Yeah, there's

562
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:02,720
see normally there's like there's ship to see along the way,

563
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,359
there's a botany to do, but it's you know, it's

564
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,160
still a dormant season, so there's not a lot of

565
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,160
stuff out. You know, there's a lot of there's a

566
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,000
lot of stuff to see. There's not a lot of

567
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,480
stuff right now. There's not a lot of hold, not

568
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,759
a whole lot of stuff to see. Yesterday I was

569
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:18,759
I was where the hell was I was in Flugerville.

570
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,759
I didn't make it that far from out of Texas

571
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:24,359
up only like five hours away. I was in Flugerville, Texas,

572
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,599
and uh I went pulled out behind a hobby lobby

573
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,279
to find a little spot to you know, I got

574
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,319
a little stove. I go go make some tea. Gonna go,

575
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,079
uh do one hundred and fifty you know, just pop

576
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,640
out one hundred and fifty kettle bell swings, you know,

577
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,079
to compensate for all the ass time I'm gonna be spending,

578
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,279
you know, slowly getting heart diseases. I sit in the

579
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:47,839
truck without moving for seventeen hours, so it was nice.

580
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160
The sun was going down. I was in the edge

581
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,799
of oblique shopping center and there's so many in Texas,

582
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,920
and I was just you know, doing sets the thirty

583
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000
wait for the heart to catch up, give yourself a rest,

584
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,680
wait twenty twenty five seconds to pop out thirty more,

585
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,680
make some green tea. Nice time. And then I drove,

586
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,559
you know into the night, and I remember, I forget

587
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,000
where I saw this, but I saw some stupid quote

588
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,559
by someone, and this is something I hear at the

589
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,000
redneckt thing all the time. And no offense to the rednecks.

590
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,759
They could be fun to hang out with. Right, depending

591
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,759
on the nature of the red neck, the particular redneck

592
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,279
doesn't always imply any kind of a political affiliation. And

593
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:27,319
even if it does, you just find a way to

594
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,960
just not talk about that. We're not gonna talk about this.

595
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Doesn't fucking matter. Stop no politics or religion on the railroad.

596
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200
That's what you used to say. But there's this this

597
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,839
piece of redneck lore, and I've heard it many times

598
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,880
that the trees, the native trees, like the junipers, then

599
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,680
the stars, they shuck out out the water. They'll suck

600
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,119
out the water. Shuck out the water, you get bit

601
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,400
bashed heater, or you gotta shuck out the parson suck

602
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,799
it out. They don't suck the first off. And you

603
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,440
hear this in Nevada. You hear it in Texas, right,

604
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,720
you get june a porous monosperma and oxidenttalis, and Nevada

605
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:08,160
get the juniperous ash ei and texts as many different

606
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,240
juniper species. You always hear the trees are gonna suck

607
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,400
out the water, first off, you know. And it's just

608
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,359
a great Rednecks are great for a lot of things.

609
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:19,559
They're not great on fucking uh land land management or

610
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,640
an awareness of plant physiology or even basic ecology all

611
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,079
the time, sometimes but not always, most of the time.

612
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,759
Not trees don't actively suck out water. There's no energy

613
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,400
required to suck the water out. They don't pump it.

614
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,720
They don't suck it, they don't actively move it. Right,

615
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,759
They actively move sugars and sap through their flow them right,

616
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,200
which are the tubes that carry sugars and other nutrients

617
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:51,359
you know, produced in the leaves via photosynthesis. Whereas the

618
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,640
xylum carries the water. But they don't suck anything. They

619
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,279
don't pump anything. It's a passive process. The only thing

620
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:05,000
pulling water into the roots is the transpirational pull right,

621
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:08,880
the negative pressure created by water evaporating out of the

622
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,440
leaf stomata. And it turns out many of the native plants,

623
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:18,039
like the cedars, are really good at regulating how quickly

624
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,839
water transpires out of their leaf stomata. They can close

625
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,839
and open their leaf stomata using the guard cells depending

626
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:30,839
on how hot, dry, or windy it is, okay, And

627
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,240
so that if they're able to slow down the rate

628
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,759
at which water evaporates out of the stomata, they're then

629
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,200
able to slow down the rate at which water's pulled

630
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,680
up from the roots through the soil, or from the

631
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,519
soil through the roots through the xylum up to the leaves.

632
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:51,200
And since they're good at moderating this, at regulating this, right,

633
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,839
it's much more efficient and more efficient use of water

634
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,640
and a slower evaporation of water than it otherwise would be.

635
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,440
If you were to say, I don't know, take a

636
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:06,240
giant you know, anchor chain of a ship and stringing

637
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,159
it between two giant bulldozers, drag it across the landscape

638
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,880
and denude that landscape of all vegetation, leaving it barren

639
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:18,079
and open and exposed to the sun, to the hot sun. Right,

640
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,519
it is what I see happen. I mean, this is

641
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,519
just basic, you know. It just takes a little bit

642
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,760
of thinking about a basic awareness of plant physiology, like

643
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,199
shit they teach you and you know, general botany and

644
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,920
uh and and a little bit of time to think

645
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,159
about it logically, like really, what's gonna be hotter, what's

646
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,559
gonna lose moisture faster? Right? This? This? And I saw

647
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:44,199
I think when I saw it was, you know, one

648
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,199
of these fucking Trump cronies that got put into like

649
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,599
the BLM. It's some position that they don't deserve, but

650
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,199
they're just there for, you know, to act as a

651
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,480
whrror to sell these lands off the private companies who've

652
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,639
probably paid off the Trump administration. You know, you know

653
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:02,280
it works. It's just totally corrupt politics. And so this

654
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,639
guy was saying, you know that, no, I forget what

655
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:06,519
it was. It was some you know, what are these

656
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:09,880
twats that just is living on sirloin's steak. He's got

657
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,440
the three chins, pasty, pink turkey neck and you know,

658
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,159
and a very well fed man. And he was saying that,

659
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:23,079
you know, when you remove the tree cover, it actually

660
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,880
conserves water. It's not the data centers. It's not the

661
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,400
over extraction of the aquifer, which is technically a non

662
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,440
renewable resource. It's not trying to grow crops or graze

663
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:40,559
cattle in a desert that gets ten inches sixteen inches

664
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:44,119
of rain a year. It's the trees. The trees are

665
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:49,440
the enemy. Fucking idiots. Unbelievable again, it just it's only

666
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,239
getting dumber from here on out. Okay, I have hope,

667
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,559
just not with humanity. We're not going to change your

668
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,280
behavior till we're forced to by running into a brick wall,

669
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,760
just like an alcoholic doesn't. The alcoholics don't start going

670
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,880
to meetings and working the steps. And I got a

671
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,320
lot of friends working the steps right now, just just

672
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,480
trying to get sober. We're actually going to meat. They

673
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,639
don't do that until they've hit rock bottom, until they're

674
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:16,599
confronted with the reality that their own behavior is shooting

675
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:21,840
them in the foot right, that they're fucking themselves. So anyway,

676
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,280
but yeah, that was what it was. He was saying,

677
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,079
you know, no, we need to clear the trees because

678
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,519
we're gonna conserve water. He wasn't talking about clearing you know.

679
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,800
He wasn't talking about eliminating fire suppression and reducing woody

680
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,920
encroachment so that you can have grasslands. He was talking

681
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:43,039
about just destroying habit That just bulldozing, right, fucking nuts,

682
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,239
I mean, just crazy, the shit they can get people

683
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,199
to believe. And this is you can do this when

684
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,159
you have an uneducated populace, which we certainly do in America.

685
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,519
We're doing really good at the uneducation thing. You know,

686
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:01,000
is that a thing instead of or education? And I

687
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,639
think that's a new word, this education. The word of

688
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:07,639
the day is this education when you have a greedy,

689
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:14,079
sleazy political class that is well connected to all local

690
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:18,679
business interests and global business interests, and any barriers separating

691
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,320
the two have been removed by you know, personally installed

692
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:29,679
the court appointees. You you have a benefit from defunding education,

693
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,159
making everybody dumber, and telling them that all they need

694
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,519
to do to be good people is get God. They

695
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,639
just got to get God. They don't have to educate themselves.

696
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,360
They don't have to learn about anything around them that.

697
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,840
You know, we all use technology. Nobody knows how it works.

698
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,840
We all exist within this living fabric of ecosystems, whether

699
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,639
we like it or not. But nobody knows how it works.

700
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,440
Most people don't. Ninety nine percent of people don't. Ninety

701
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,960
nine percent of people can't name three native plants around them. Okay,

702
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,400
ninety nine percent of people don't even know. Well, I'd

703
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,119
say it's primate. Ninety percent don't even know what native means.

704
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,480
That something evolved there and was selected for by the

705
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:11,639
specific sort of set of circumstances, the geology, the climate,

706
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,239
the presence of certain herbivores in that place. Okay, ninety

707
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,599
people don't know that. They just think that well, the

708
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,719
grass is always the land has always been mote grass

709
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,320
on the sides of the highway, and the empty lots

710
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,239
and the billboards have always been there. And the water

711
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,199
always comes out of the faucet whenever you turn this spigot.

712
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:35,760
So so it's good, it's good. Good for the economy. Right,

713
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,440
never mind, we're going to burn everything out. It's a

714
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,920
series of decades. But but you know, it's good for

715
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,519
the economy. Keeps the machine moving. It's stupid fucking economy, right,

716
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,280
that doesn't place any value on living things? Is this will?

717
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,199
He was so abrasive, he's said. I tried to listen

718
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,880
to him, but he's just so abrasive. So so yeah,

719
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,119
So anyway, so the tree, The point is the trees.

720
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,440
The trees don't suck the water. Okay, it's actually a

721
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,000
very well regulated and controlled system. If you're using native

722
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,639
plants that evolve, their junipers are very very good at

723
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:17,119
controlling how quickly moisture transpires out of those stomates, those stomata,

724
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,559
those gas pores that look like little coin purses that

725
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:22,719
have two guard cells on either side that can regulate

726
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,519
when they open it when they close. And also, you

727
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:30,119
know the leaves of these plants, junipers especially. I'm looking

728
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:32,199
at a bunch of junipers Virginiana on the side of

729
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,480
the highway right now that probably actually needs to get burned. Right.

730
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,400
They're covered in wax. They're covered in very thick cuticular wax.

731
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,159
The cuticle. You know what plants had to evolve when

732
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:50,199
they moved onto land from from these shallow near shore environments.

733
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,800
When they evolve, that of algae, the cuticle, right, so cuticles,

734
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,239
leaf hairs. Native plants have evolved very very you know,

735
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:05,440
very efficient strategies because they've been there for so long,

736
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:10,199
Like different phenotypes have been selected by the environment inadvertently,

737
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,800
of course, not intentionally. There's not intelligent design. It's just

738
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,800
how natural selection works. The more efficient phenotypes have been selected,

739
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,039
they got leaf hairs, they got thicker wax, they got

740
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,760
drought dormancy strategies. I'm really curious about the drought dormancy

741
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,599
because I see that a lot where I live. You

742
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:31,679
see these plants that look dead, but they're not dead.

743
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,519
They're just in a state of torpor. They're just dormant.

744
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:39,199
They're leafless. They've just dropped their leaves or their leaves

745
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,360
are just in like a wilting state without dropping, you know,

746
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,519
for a number of weeks. They exist in this wilting

747
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,840
state for a while and then once they get water,

748
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,599
they perk back up. How do they do that? That's

749
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,000
what I'm curious about, you know, especially in these dry

750
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:57,000
tropical forests where that's more of a thing when you've

751
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:02,280
evolved the trait of deciduousness, just like the Grand Old

752
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,760
Force of New England the fall color. Do you ever

753
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,440
go to Vermont in New Hampshire to catch the ball color?

754
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,559
Just like that, but instead of a response to cold,

755
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,960
it's a leaf dropping strategy in response to a six

756
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,800
month dry season because the intertropical convergence zone has moved

757
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,159
to the other side of the Equator and you don't

758
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,280
have a low pressure system in your hemisphere anymore at

759
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,360
your latitude that's bringing afternoon thunderstorms like it does every

760
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,920
day during the wet season. Have you ever been to

761
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,840
a dry tropical forest in northwest Costa Rica or the

762
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,519
southwestern Dominican Republic during the summer it's lush, it's green,

763
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:48,159
Or in Minajerias, Minas Jurias, Brazil in this in their summers,

764
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:52,440
which is like January for us, like that's ending summers

765
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,639
in Brazil right now. It's ending the wet season. You

766
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,000
go there in July, it's dry as balls. It's winter,

767
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,199
but our balls dry. I guess, so is that you

768
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,480
know what I mean? I don't know why it's speaking.

769
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:08,039
I mean, I didn't drive over the line. Well, you

770
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,079
better do something, body, All of them goddamn trees. You've done, bastard,

771
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,519
they're gonna suck up all the water. Gotta get some good.

772
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,039
Where's that young man? You head out here and the

773
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:20,239
skids there. Kid ain't too smart, it's not working with

774
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,119
a bull shit, but he knows how to drive skits there.

775
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,199
Get his ass out here, getting all the goddamn trees

776
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,199
out here, give him straight ball his ship off here.

777
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,199
And there's lamb bear because the trees are sucking up

778
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,039
all the water. So why not expose all of this

779
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,679
land to that one hundred and sixteen degree temperatures during

780
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,800
the heat of your life? Seems like a smart idea.

781
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,320
So anyway, that's how we get where we are. It

782
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,679
isn't that lovely? The least you can see it in action.

783
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,840
You got a full picture. It's a fucking a living

784
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:56,480
cartoon anyway, So Uh the fuck was I talking about?

785
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,440
I was, I was just working on some videos old

786
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,559
Ecuador stuff, Potain and Drogony, Cleo Macey. Real weird looking

787
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:08,639
all the Cleomes. They do weird shit. You know, their

788
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,199
order of brass akalls. They're in the mustards. They used

789
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,119
to be in the Caper family capa race, which is

790
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,559
also a mustard, which you can kind of smell in

791
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:18,480
the leaves and you can kind of tell when you

792
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:23,960
look at the uh, the flowers. But you know, there's

793
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,639
some really weird tropical members of that family that are

794
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:29,880
just the flowers are bigger, the leaves are bigger. It's

795
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,199
more humid. They can afford to be bigger without having

796
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,599
to worry about losing too much moisture out of those

797
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:40,239
big those big leaves, those big spreading leaves with all

798
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,239
the stomata. You know, you go to deserts, the leaves

799
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,440
get a lot in narrow or they're reducing service area.

800
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,000
But we saw Poda in Dragony. We saw, oh god,

801
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:55,400
damn it, there was another one, really weird one. I

802
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,079
think it was Cleome Anomala. It might have some different name,

803
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,239
but this thing was a massive shrub. We saw it

804
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,119
like eight thousand feet just below the Paramo on the

805
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:09,199
cloud forest. I still got Paramo videos that'll be nice,

806
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,840
real weird habitat up there, but PoTA androgony, I think

807
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,920
it was uh bractice. I've practiced something if I have

808
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,800
to look again. But you know, trying to get ideas

809
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,320
on some of these plants can be a real It's

810
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,519
fucking hard, you know, especially some of those like cranopigiums,

811
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,880
the weird Panama hat family, the cyclon they see family,

812
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,280
the Panama had they look like palms, but they related

813
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,199
to screw pines and the order pandinals. I might be

814
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,000
going to Speaking of the screw pines, I might be

815
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:44,840
going to the Philippines for two weeks in April. Got

816
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,039
invited there. I guys should actually look into getting airfare

817
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:52,760
soon because that'll be really cool with the team of

818
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:59,519
botan of bot Philippine botanists, Filipino botanists, and and checking

819
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:03,239
out some of the for est there. I really want

820
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,039
to see the oh god, damn it, the dip tarot

821
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:12,000
cars Order mal Vley's. But it's a clade of trees,

822
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:18,519
the Dipterocarpaci that's in the Old World tropics. Should be

823
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:22,440
really fucking wild. There's reflegia out there to the giant

824
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:27,280
parasitic plant with a huge flowers basketball the yoga ball

825
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,599
sized flowers that mimic rotting meat that are probably pollinated

826
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:36,920
by small beetles or small beetles or flies. I'm also

827
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,880
teaching a plant i D class sliding scales like one

828
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,960
to five bucks, right, super cheap donation based. Nobody turned

829
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,159
away for lack of funds at Kinta, Maza Lan and

830
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,400
McAllen in South Texas. This is an entirely selfish act

831
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,920
because the more people that know how to identify plants,

832
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,000
the more people might start paying attention to them, which

833
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,199
means that the world I live in down there is

834
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,719
less bleak. You've got more of a you know, more

835
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,679
of a culture for native plants there, and an awareness

836
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,760
of bodany. It directly benefits the immediate world that I

837
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,360
have to live in, right, because it's it's rough down there.

838
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,239
Car dealerships, so many personal injury attorneys. I've never seen

839
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,840
such a density of personal injury attorneys. I bet there's some.

840
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,880
There's a lot of personal injury attorneys in the Chicago area,

841
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,000
but per capita though, I think it's probably I think

842
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:35,679
it's certainly denser in the in the valley. Okay. Anyway,

843
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,920
we're a little bit further down along the road, watching

844
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,719
the Golden Hour, the sunset, and our out of Saint Louis.

845
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,920
I forgot they got Deli's. They got Italian delis in

846
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,360
Saint Louis. I'm gonna get some nice meats. I'm just kidding.

847
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,480
I'm gonna get some nice Deli sandwiches. I'm gonna get

848
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:54,360
some provo loan and a big gallant jar of jardanira.

849
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,280
And I don't really you out to meet some chicken

850
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,239
here and there, perhaps little bit of popop, perhaps a

851
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,960
little bit of turkey, but by and large I avoid

852
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,159
the red meats because if they make you predisposed to

853
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,840
colon cancer, the as cancer. Anyway, So I'm excited to do.

854
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,840
I'm gonna get a gamus. How much does a gallon

855
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,760
jar of hot jardin near a cost? You know, the oils,

856
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,119
you get some olive oi, you get some carrots and

857
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:24,280
jalapenos and onions and celery and shit. They got that

858
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,320
stuff in in uh, you know, in over there in

859
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,000
Saint Louis. I got some Italian Delis. I'm so close

860
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,519
to Chicago, but I can't go all the way because

861
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,719
I got to head back to Texas. It's so sad,

862
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,679
you know, it's just nice up there. Seventy four degrees

863
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:46,760
in Saint Louis in late February. Fuck anyway, we didn't

864
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:52,000
even talk about intimopathogenic fungi yet, which is are really

865
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,320
big in the tropics. You go down to the lower latitudes,

866
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,440
you're gonna see a lot of antemopathogenic fungi. That's cordis

867
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:03,440
EPs ovo cordiss a, cant of cordyceps is that one.

868
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,039
All these different fungi that eat insects, and they're much

869
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,800
more prevalent at lower latitudes than at higher ones. I

870
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,360
presume just because the insects are larger and there's more bugs.

871
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,519
But it's a common thing, and a lot of people

872
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:19,400
get really amped about them. A lot of people that

873
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,320
I associate with get really amped about them. I guess not.

874
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,480
You know, your fucking plumber. Your plumber probably doesn't know

875
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:29,599
what ntemopathogenic fungi are. But you should tell him or

876
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:33,119
her or they them next time, you know, you want to,

877
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,920
you have an interaction, right the fucking AC guy comes over,

878
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,679
start talking about intimopathogenic fungi and why he or she

879
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,840
or whatever shit should care about him? Right? Do you

880
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,239
fucking know what to ask him? Do you know what

881
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,559
antemopathogenic fungi are? And why not you think it? Does?

882
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:52,840
You think it's not cool? You think it doesn't apply

883
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,440
to you? Are you not a living being tied within

884
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:59,360
this vest interwoven web, this network of life? Do you

885
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,559
think you just then a vacuum? Are you fucking special? Huh?

886
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,360
You just start ranting at him like that, very aggressively

887
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,039
as he's up there, you know, fucking with the ducks

888
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,760
and shit, trying to figure out, you know, what's going

889
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,480
on in your attic and why you know the is it?

890
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,960
Is it like a cooling issue? Is the is the

891
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,960
condenser fan fucked up? Or you know? Do you maybe

892
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,360
you just need more cooland what's going on? You know,

893
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,440
last time I had an AC issue was because the

894
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,840
the you know, the bathroom sink that the you know,

895
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,360
AC drain because the AC's in the attic drained in

896
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,760
due the bathroom sink got clocked because I got hard water.

897
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:35,400
So I said to go in there with a little

898
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,519
pipe cleaner and clean it. What the fuck is this

899
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,159
semi truck trying to do? Eat a fucking cock. You're

900
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:44,000
not getting over. Settle down, all right, mountain dew kidneys,

901
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,119
Let you settle down, chill out. Where are you going?

902
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:51,360
You're not going anywhere, you fucking Jesus Christ these trucks man. Okay,

903
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,440
so we didn't we didn't talk about ntemopathogenic funky. We're

904
00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:00,199
talking about them now, very common and really cool. I

905
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,039
you know, I didn't do any long videos when I

906
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,320
was in Ecuador. I don't think I did, maybe just one,

907
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,800
but I just did shorts. I didn't have the energy.

908
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,400
I'm fucking burnt out. But I did a lot of

909
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,280
short videos. And one of the short videos had a

910
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,119
moth that had been infected, a large moth, the sphinx

911
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,679
moth that had been infected with a species of Cordyceps.

912
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:25,280
And I think that was Acantho Cordyceps. Maybe was there

913
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,960
in a kindo Cordyceps. I don't think so. Anyway, it

914
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:34,920
looked really cool, it looked insane, and the I forget

915
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,159
the species. It's on my iaz somewhere if you type

916
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:41,480
in corticipitacy or whatever. The one of the main clades

917
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:45,280
of Cordyceps fungi are. I've seen quite a few in

918
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,519
Mexico too, And of course I'm not out there looking

919
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,800
for these things. I've probably been around them numerous times,

920
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,719
but I don't I'm always looking at plants, you know.

921
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,639
Unless the thing is right in front of my face,

922
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:56,119
I'm not gonna notice it, or if one of my

923
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,599
my collegist friends points it out. And so. But that said,

924
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,679
I have seen some really cool ones. And my friend

925
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,159
Robert Kelly, he's like, you know, Mexican as hell, he

926
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,719
looks Mexican. His name's Robert Kelly. I don't get it. Whatever,

927
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,960
fuck it's like, oh Leary's tacos whatever. Anyway, he lives

928
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:19,599
in Morellos, the state of Morellos in Mexico, and he

929
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:23,199
and a friend just discovered a new species, what appears

930
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,679
to be a new species of Cordyceps that infects a tarantula.

931
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,559
That's really cool, that's really exciting, looks really cool under

932
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:33,519
UV light, as many fungui normally do. Is it fungy

933
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:35,639
or fun guy? I was doing the audiobook recordings for

934
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,840
Concrete Botany and I kept fucking this up. I would

935
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,440
go back and forth between fungi and fung guy. I

936
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:44,440
think it's a fun guy anyway. So that's really interesting.

937
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,920
And there's probably numerous new species of Cordyceps fungi all

938
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,119
over the world right, probably hundreds, if not thousands of

939
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,440
undescribed species of Cortyceps. This phenomenon is really interesting to me.

940
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,920
It's interesting. I mean, the process, how it works. I

941
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,320
don't know much about it. It's why it's such a phenomenon.

942
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,039
How this serves as it kinds of kind of checks

943
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,760
and balances on insects populations, what the role is in

944
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:19,519
the larger ecosystem, you know, the chemistry of some of

945
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:25,119
these fungi. It's all really interesting. Right. So there's a

946
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,760
new species that they discovered in a cave in Mexico,

947
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:30,119
some friends of mine. And then there's an this is

948
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,519
even more bizarre, there's a species of spider. I think

949
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:41,159
it's an orb weaver that mimics cort Aceps infection, because

950
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,519
many Cordyceps actually infect spiders. Doing spiders aren't insects, they're

951
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:50,079
not insects. Spiders, they're not insects. Neither are mites. And

952
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:57,920
but this mimicry. This batsy and mimicry. I mean, this

953
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,880
is this is the weird is saying, like, what selects

954
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,679
for that? Now, of course the spider is not intentionally

955
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,480
mimicking that. You know, for those of you that are

956
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,599
familiar with natural selection, you already know this, of course,

957
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:11,960
but many people aren't. They think, how does a plant

958
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,079
know how to look like a rock? How does the

959
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,800
spider know how to that? It doesn't, It doesn't. It's

960
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,480
natural selection. But my, you know, myke A better way

961
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:23,559
to say it is, what is what in the environment

962
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,599
is selecting for this trait? What in the environment that

963
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:33,199
the spider is selecting for the trait of us? You know,

964
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,199
the trait of looking like you have infection with cortesps?

965
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,840
Is it because animals that you're praying on and waiting

966
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,400
to ambush, or insects that you're insects or animals? But

967
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,360
you know what I mean, insects that you're that you're

968
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,159
pray insects, pray insects that you're you're waiting to ambush

969
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,880
and eat. Would think that you're a dead You're already dead,

970
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,920
and you have already been infected with this thing, and

971
00:53:55,039 --> 00:53:56,840
so you can kind of protend, you know what I mean.

972
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,440
There's like with zombies, do you know, they pretend to

973
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:01,199
be dead, and the next thing you know, they're chopping

974
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,079
on your ankle right as you walk past them, and

975
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:05,960
they're laying on the ground and pretend to be as stiff,

976
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,079
and they're actually still you know what I mean, they

977
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:11,599
reanimate or whatever. And so I can see how that

978
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:13,920
would be an adaptive benefit. Maybe you start off with

979
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,360
a few of these fungal fungal like projections sticking off

980
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,079
of your body due to some weird mutation, and that slowly,

981
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:27,000
over time gets that trait becomes accentuated, you know, it

982
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,519
becomes embellished, and suddenly and after a certain amount of

983
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,760
generations it becomes fixed in the population or what. But

984
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,960
the benefits also, I would assume, and that birds might

985
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:41,119
pass you over as a prey if you look like

986
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:43,760
you're infected already. Birds want to eat spiders, they don't

987
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,199
They probably don't want to eat spiders that look like

988
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,880
they're already infected and colonized by a fungus, right, I

989
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,039
would assume. I don't know, Can you ask the birds,

990
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,800
you know, if do you guys, do you guys normally

991
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,599
pass over spiders that are have already been you know,

992
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,039
they look like they got you know, fungals poking out

993
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:02,920
of them. You know, if you like that, you passed

994
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,880
over Cordyceps infected spiders because maybe the the heifel strands

995
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,639
the kitan doesn't taste good. I don't know, but obviously

996
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,000
something selecting for it, because if there wasn't something selecting

997
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,760
for it, the bucking spider wouldn't look like like a

998
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,360
like it was infected with Cordyceps. So this is a

999
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,679
newly described species. I think the paper I'm not sure

1000
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:28,639
if it just came out or what. My friend Alex

1001
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:35,360
Uh down in Mara, Ecuador put this out. The species

1002
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,800
if you want to read about it is uh. It's

1003
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:45,199
a it's a Courtyceps mimicking spider. It's called tax Zanowski

1004
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,280
aca t A c z A n O W s

1005
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,440
k i A. It's a polloc name. Can you say polock?

1006
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,840
Pollock's not like a racism thing, right, not racist against Polish.

1007
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,920
She's the polo, you know, it's what you say. In Chicago,

1008
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,519
I had a friend he is to go out of

1009
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,800
mang graffiti writer. He used to write Polac. I think

1010
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,800
he still does write polarch so tony anyway, But uh,

1011
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,960
it's a Polish name. T a c z a n

1012
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:19,800
O w s k i A tajanowskia wasca w a

1013
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,880
s k a I think the well, I think Wasca

1014
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:29,599
means it means river mother or something in an indigenous

1015
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:31,320
language of that quarter. I'm sorry, I can't give you

1016
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,400
more information, and I don't know what what tribe it was.

1017
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:40,440
Either way, it's astoundingly cool. You know, this is like

1018
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,840
this is like on par with that snake and iran

1019
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:45,360
you know what that viper with the funny tale that

1020
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,639
mimics of, you know, a centipede. The bird comes down

1021
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:51,480
and get the centipede and next thing, you know this,

1022
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:56,719
the viper's got the bird. Right, So it's all just selection,

1023
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,599
but it's it's such a high degree of selection, and

1024
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,960
it's probably occurs under such stressful circumstances in a in

1025
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:11,880
a stressful environment where there's high population stress on. Whatever

1026
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:19,960
is slowly evolving this adaptation. It's remarkable. So I wonder

1027
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,880
how many other insects and iraq nids out there do

1028
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:26,719
this mimic? God, that's fucking wild. The thing really does

1029
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,239
look like it's it's infected. If you want to see

1030
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,360
pictures of it, you can go to Instagram and go

1031
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:38,239
to Bentley seven Underscore seven and it's the post from

1032
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,920
well from like right about now, like, what is it February?

1033
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,639
What's the day today? What's the day twenty February twenty seventh.

1034
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,559
You've got nice pictures on there. God, it's wild though,

1035
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:55,920
man the fuck? Oh wait, no, that there's a either Okay,

1036
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,559
there's a picture of spiders that actually are infected, and

1037
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,400
then there's this or weaver that looks like it's affected.

1038
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:09,559
It's bizarre. It's so weird, really cool stuff. You know.

1039
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:13,679
It's like, it's like the the Fritillaria fertilaria the lava

1040
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,000
in China that you know, humans have slowly selected for

1041
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:21,760
ones that it's a it's a you know, Fertilaria. The

1042
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:27,440
lava is a lily essentially that grows in talus piles

1043
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,559
and it's thought to have some herbal Chinese erbal medicinal qualities.

1044
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,280
If you you know, Masha pulled this above it and

1045
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,840
put it on a sore in your answer or something.

1046
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,639
I don't know. So there's high harvesting pressure on it.

1047
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,559
For the bulbs, and so humans have inadvertently selected for

1048
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:49,559
phenotypes that look more like the gravels that they grow

1049
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,480
in the color of the gravels like this kind of

1050
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:54,519
deepish purple hue as opposed to more of like a

1051
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:59,639
green leaf. Cool stuff. Who to thunk, I mean people

1052
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:02,360
that natural selection works, I guess, But you know, again,

1053
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:21,440
there's just varying degrees of of amazingness. All right, we're driving,

1054
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:25,079
We're driving back from Mobot and Saint Louis and all

1055
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,440
that ship went to a nice Italian then deli uh

1056
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,760
eight half of pizza at some fucking pizza place that

1057
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:38,119
was delicious. Uh. Hung out with my friend Ben, my

1058
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:43,960
friend's Ben and Megan, both wonderful plant taxonomists and uh

1059
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:49,760
plant the collegists and field botanists. Uh. Almost got kicked

1060
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,280
out of the Missouri Botanical Garden Herbarium. Again. I didn't

1061
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,199
get kicked out at you, but I did. I did.

1062
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,039
I guess. There were some very upset people. They were

1063
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:01,800
all over the ages and they were upset about one

1064
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,840
of the videos that I did there near burium. Uh. Uh, Well,

1065
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,280
you know there's is there's a lot of people that

1066
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,800
have just clenched it not a lot. A couple, okay, couple.

1067
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,719
My friend Peter Bernard works there. He studies orchipolination biology.

1068
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,719
Wonderful guy. Always hang out with him. He's fun to

1069
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,199
go lurker on the library. But then they get word

1070
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:23,079
that I'm there, and they got to send someone down

1071
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:24,840
to you know, to monitor me, to make sure I

1072
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,960
don't film anything. They're always very nice, they're very nice.

1073
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,079
But there, you know, you could tell they run a

1074
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:33,480
tight ship over there, Missouri Botanical Garden. It's not as free.

1075
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:36,519
It's not as loose as I thought. And I got

1076
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:38,280
a you know, I got a friend there who's working

1077
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,800
in horticulture, who's having a bummer time. I guess this

1078
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:43,559
was this really bummed me out to here. And I

1079
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:47,159
guess it's not surprising because this happens to every good

1080
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:52,719
botanic garden. But they were clear. I guess they were

1081
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,679
clearing out in the living specimens and the h you know,

1082
01:00:55,719 --> 01:01:00,320
they had to change up in leadership, and uh they

1083
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,880
you know, they the new guy is more of like

1084
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,400
a show garden guy. Doesn't know a lot about botany's

1085
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,239
not not doesn't really know anything about bondy. He's a

1086
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,519
horticultures bless his heart, and he came in. He didn't

1087
01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:15,880
like all it's plaid hare one of the stuff that's

1088
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:20,280
a showy. I like the show Garden and basically everything

1089
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,639
I make fun of in my presentations. This guy is

1090
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:29,199
fo and and it turns out he he threw out

1091
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:33,000
a bunch of interesting stuff and uh, and they wanted

1092
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:35,679
to put in these fucking knobs. There's some guy with it.

1093
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,800
This guy's your car sounds like a fucking lawnmower in

1094
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,679
an head up. You know, I was one of a

1095
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,760
uh a valve fucked up? Why people want to have

1096
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,440
cars that sound like that. I just like small men

1097
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:51,559
that just always if not physically small, then figuratively small. Okay, anyway,

1098
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:55,159
so this guy got these beautiful limestone road cuts in

1099
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:57,400
the Ozarks. You know, there's a lot of meth here,

1100
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,440
but there's a lot of uh wonderful geology too. But

1101
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:03,239
so anyway, so I remember the first time I went

1102
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,159
to mobile back in the back greenhouses like five years ago.

1103
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:10,039
They had amazing living specimens, right, things that if you're

1104
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,719
adult are gonna you're gonna find boring. But if you

1105
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,920
have any interest in bodany or ecology or how plants

1106
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,239
evolve really cool strategies to deal with the stresses of

1107
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,039
the bizarre habitats that they evolve in. Uh, if you

1108
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:25,880
have any insight into that, you're gonna know what some

1109
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,199
of this stuff isn't find it interesting, right, If you

1110
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,280
have an inquisitive mind, you can ask questions. But if

1111
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,360
you know, if you like the home deskot garden section

1112
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,760
and you like the showy shit, you know, the bullshit

1113
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,679
that the you know, some rich orthodontist's wife likes and

1114
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,159
wants in her front yard and the north Shore suburbs.

1115
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,920
If you like that stuff, you're gonna see some of

1116
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,760
these specimens and go, that's boring. A bunch of boring stuff.

1117
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,559
The graphic fuck I want you Why can't I just

1118
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,119
get some nice moms? I like it when you have

1119
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:58,159
the cascading month, it's like you girl, mom, and then

1120
01:02:58,199 --> 01:02:59,760
you train it to look like at the fall, like

1121
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,920
all that kind of shit, you know, the stuff that

1122
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,760
made me think that botanic gardens were boring as fuck

1123
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,000
when I was a kid, because that's what they were.

1124
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:10,679
They were the people like that people put that stuff

1125
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:14,000
in right, And so there's two different styles of botanic

1126
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:15,800
gardens and The one that's far more prevalent is this

1127
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,000
kind of show garden bullshit. I've ranted about this plenty

1128
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:22,000
of times before. And the really cool botanic gardens, like

1129
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:25,599
the UC Berkeley style Botanic gardens, where it's literally like

1130
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,480
a living museum and it's all separated geographically, Like you

1131
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:31,440
go to the South Africa section and you see all

1132
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,159
these cool plants that you can't find anywhere else in

1133
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:37,159
the United States because no one's growing them. You find

1134
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,800
those plants, you feel like you're in South Africa. Or

1135
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,639
you go to the Eastern North America section and you

1136
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,599
feel like you're in Eastern North America even though you're

1137
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,559
in the Bay Area of California. Or you go to

1138
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:48,440
the Chile section and they've got all these all the

1139
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,159
bits of the Chilean ecosystem. They're really really cool shit, right,

1140
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,079
Or the College of Biological Sciences. I was surprised to

1141
01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:02,079
see this, the College of Biological Sciences at in St. Paul, Minnesota. Right,

1142
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:04,599
They've got a greenhouse that's full with like every room

1143
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,840
is like that. They've got that new Caledonian section of

1144
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,920
South Africa section. Fascinating shit. Right, you put people who

1145
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,119
are smart and well traveled or at least know about

1146
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:17,920
these different ecosystems in charge, and you give them freedom

1147
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,679
and they can produce amazing things. Right. They've got passion

1148
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:24,599
and they've got intellect, and they're really interested in this stuff.

1149
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:27,079
I mean, fucking Garfield Park Conservatory in Chicago has an

1150
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:31,519
amazing desert house, right because the cause Ray is interested

1151
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:33,840
in playing, you know, he doesn't care about oh the

1152
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,079
showy stuff, but put it has a nice flower at

1153
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:40,760
arregated leaves like this, whack shit. Right, He's not into that.

1154
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:46,000
He's into really cool xerophytes. Right, Zerophytic plants, really interesting

1155
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:49,119
stuff that have cool ecological or evolutionary stories to tell.

1156
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:54,039
It's pollinated by an interesting flower or interesting animal, it's

1157
01:04:54,920 --> 01:05:00,280
its evolved some novel traits that looks totally bizarre because

1158
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,639
it's a way that it enables it to deal with

1159
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,639
a stressful geologic substrate or a stressful habitat or whatever.

1160
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,639
You know, that kind of stuff. But anyway, they're clearing

1161
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:13,519
I guess and miserve attentne garden. They're clearing a lot

1162
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:17,000
of that out and hopefully this goes back. And that's

1163
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,199
another thing I guess they've been saying that the pendulum

1164
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,000
has swung too far. It's swung too.

1165
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: Far towards science and conservation. We're educating the public too much, right,

1166
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,360
the pendulum has swung too far. We need to make

1167
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,599
it more of an appeasing garden for the rich donors,

1168
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,920
because that's who we're trying to please. And of course

1169
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,559
we'll take that money. We'll take all that money, and

1170
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:43,039
we'll fund science and conservation. Yes, yes, of course we will, yes, yes, yes,

1171
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:46,360
But we need to please those rich donors, right, And

1172
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,559
we don't want to make the rich donors feel stupid

1173
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,400
because we're giving them too much information or because we've

1174
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,960
got informational signs that tell.

1175
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: Them about an ecological habit of a plant. We need

1176
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,920
to come at them like they've got a fifth grade education.

1177
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,360
This is the kind of shit that they say that

1178
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:08,000
that people in administration, in positions of authorities say. It's

1179
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:12,239
fucking embarrassing. It's terrible, all right, what they're doing there,

1180
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:16,719
Like they're throwing out specimens like really interesting shit. They've

1181
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:19,280
thrown on a bunch of cool cacti, a bunch of cool,

1182
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,840
dry tropical stuff because it's not showy enough. They've got

1183
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,920
entire fucking greenhouses where they're training mums to look like

1184
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:32,280
they're cascading over the rock wall. Fucking mums. You know

1185
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,440
what I would ship my paint. If I went to

1186
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,760
UC Berkeley and they the botanic gardner and they cleared

1187
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,960
out everything and planted fucking mums, you know what I

1188
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,559
would do. I would probably defecate right there in the middle.

1189
01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:45,800
I would be so upset as a matter of protest.

1190
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:48,079
You know, it'd be like if you went into the

1191
01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:52,079
Smithsonian and you got rid of all the cool artifacts

1192
01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:55,519
and all the cool exhibits and instead used to you

1193
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,000
filled it with like the American girl Doll collection, and

1194
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:01,760
like some fucking glass bunny figurines from the nineteen sixties

1195
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,760
and some you know, metal lunch boxes with cool uh

1196
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,559
you know, cartoon imagery on them from the nineteen fifties.

1197
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,119
You know what, do you understand what I'm saying? You understand?

1198
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,559
And this is what if you go to botanic gardens

1199
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:16,679
like you go to fucking Longwood Gardens. I've heard is like,

1200
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,679
this is anybody listening to this podcast from Longwood Gardens?

1201
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,199
I'm sorry, I'm shitting on your workplace, right, I've never

1202
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,559
been there. I could be totally wrong. I've just heard

1203
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:29,079
it is this. I call it rich cunt. It's a

1204
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,519
non gender specific cunt, rich cunt botanic gardens, right, like

1205
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:36,599
just boring fucking stiffs. People that are just it's all

1206
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:40,320
people sniffing each other's parts out of wineglasses, trying to.

1207
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,679
Speaker 2: Have cotillion dinners to fundraisers. Yes, very rich dollnews.

1208
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,079
Speaker 1: Right. I cannot shit on this stuff enough. I could

1209
01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:50,360
do a whole podcast shitting on these kind of fucking

1210
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,559
knobs because they make everyone dumber. They're spreading stupidity, and

1211
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:59,000
they're all chicken shit anyway, right, And I'm not attacking

1212
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:01,280
any one direct person. I'm just this is a phenomenon

1213
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,519
I've seen. I saw it happen at San Francisco Botanical Garden.

1214
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:08,440
They took everyone when I first started volunteering there, and

1215
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:11,039
by volunteering, I didn't sign anything, I didn't sign a waiver.

1216
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,840
I just started lurking around the greenhouses because I was

1217
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,359
really interested and passionate about plants. And they took me

1218
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,119
another wing, the people that were working there at the time,

1219
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:21,479
it's like twenty ten, and showed me how to grow

1220
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,720
plants and showed me a bunch of cool plants that

1221
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,119
were just you know, have you heard of this thing before?

1222
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:30,960
It's really weird. It's formed this mutualist relationship with this

1223
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:34,439
species of blows so and so, and they had specimens

1224
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,439
of it. I felt it was like going into a museum.

1225
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,600
You learn so much. Right, when I go to Field Museum,

1226
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,560
I learned so much when I'm there, I feel like

1227
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,600
I'm walking into a textbook. Field Museum, Chicago. It's fucking that.

1228
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,119
It is such an asset, right, And what's the benefit

1229
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:54,680
of learning, of teaching the public. Well, it prevents the

1230
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,720
whole American public from further sliding into this Saganesque dystopia

1231
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,720
that we're living in. Right, exactly what Carl Sagan imagined.

1232
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,600
We all have technology, we don't know how the fuck

1233
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,239
it works. We live in the living world. We don't

1234
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:08,279
know how the fuck that works. Right, everyone's just collectively

1235
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,880
getting dumber. That's good for the economy. That's what's happening.

1236
01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:14,840
That's what's happening in America. This shit makes me mad, Right,

1237
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,840
you do this lowest common denominator shit fucking show gardens. Yeah,

1238
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,199
that's got a place, right, I guess like the boring

1239
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:23,800
rich stiffs, they need a spot to go sniff each

1240
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,159
other's farts and bump shoulders and shit and jack each

1241
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:29,560
other off figuratively speaking, of course they need that. Why

1242
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,880
does it need to be, you know, what's supposed to

1243
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,319
be a public institution, like a boot panic garden. It's

1244
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,840
just it's so sickening, and you know, it's I don't

1245
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,520
think it's I think this shit is really condescending to

1246
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,439
the public too, because I think if you show people

1247
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:46,680
what it could be instead of a show garden, it's

1248
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,319
a really cool educational you know, where you're taking pieces

1249
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,279
of a living ecosystem and putting them on display for

1250
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,000
the public and then telling the public what's so cool

1251
01:09:56,039 --> 01:09:59,560
about them? I think people would like that, right. I

1252
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:05,960
think you're vastly underestimating what people would be into by

1253
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:09,000
assuming they would not like that and that it's not

1254
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:10,880
worth doing and that you have to talk to them

1255
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,359
at a fifth grade level. I think that. I think

1256
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:17,800
you're vastly underestimating them and fucking insulting them. It's disgusting.

1257
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,359
And who gets put in these positions of power too?

1258
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:25,319
Like why is someone that you know, for instance, let's

1259
01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:28,119
just say, would be better off managing a TGI Fridays

1260
01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:32,239
or an outback steakhouse. Why are we putting them, you know,

1261
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,880
in charge of in charge of this stuff in charge

1262
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,800
of shouldn't it be field bodanists or people that work

1263
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,560
from the ground up, or people that you know both

1264
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,920
grow plants and also have seen them in habitat and

1265
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,760
are really excited about this. Shouldn't they be the ones?

1266
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,880
Like a friend of mine who was working there used

1267
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,880
to be he used to you know, he was salary,

1268
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,479
so they didn't give him straight hours, and he would

1269
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,439
come in on the weekends. Right, he'd show up at

1270
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,479
like ten am weekdays, nine am the weekdays, but they

1271
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,880
ain't come in in the week weekend because he just

1272
01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:05,039
loved being there. He loved it. Right, new boss comes in,

1273
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,479
I watch you here right at seven am, and I

1274
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,079
want you to be gone by that. You can't hang

1275
01:11:10,119 --> 01:11:14,279
out after three? Right? Why? Why that's fucking stupid? All right,

1276
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:18,079
this isn't a fucking Benegan's restaurant, buddy, Okay, this isn't chips.

1277
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:21,800
Let's give people who are passionate and have intellect, give

1278
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,680
them freedom and watch what they can do. Right. Who

1279
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,680
the fuck else comes into work on a week will

1280
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,920
if I work there, and I never would in a

1281
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,000
million years because it sounds like the people in charge

1282
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,199
are fucking clueless. But if I did work there, I'd

1283
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:35,920
be coming into the weekends. I love it and I

1284
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,000
would want to do everything I could to watch to

1285
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:43,319
make sure that that place thrived. Right, you take pride

1286
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:45,359
in it, But then you start hammering people down. You

1287
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,000
start being stiff and rigid, and that's good for stupid people.

1288
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:52,279
That's not good for people that have passionate or smart. Right,

1289
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,039
you start hammering people down, you make it just feel

1290
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:56,960
like I sick any fucking job. I could just be

1291
01:11:57,039 --> 01:12:00,520
working the desk at a d dentist office and it's

1292
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,800
you know whatever, Yeah, fuck it, I don't care about

1293
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,439
this place anymore. You just drive morale as low as

1294
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,359
you can. And I've seen this happen. This happens not

1295
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,680
just at botanic gardens, but at private companies. Right. You

1296
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,680
need to get people that do shit like this, You

1297
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,720
need to get them out right, you can't. I just

1298
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,920
it's amazing, man. More rules, more rigidity, more trying to

1299
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,680
please rich donors, more dumbing everything down. It's embarrassing. It

1300
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,439
really would be like if you put to the fucking

1301
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,720
Field Museum in the SMITHSONI and you throw it all

1302
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,640
the cool, got rid of all the cool exhibits, and

1303
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:39,359
you filled it with lowest common denominator bullshit. Right, we're

1304
01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:40,920
gonna take you know, we're gonna get rid of the

1305
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,159
Hall of Body. Let's fill it with I don't know,

1306
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:46,159
a collection of plastic Star Wars figurines from the late

1307
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:48,920
nineteen seventies, right, have you seen these action figures. We've

1308
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,760
got every different, you know, because there's a multiple different

1309
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:55,399
you know, during throughout the early eighties they were doing

1310
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,680
different runs of Star Wars figurines, and so we've got

1311
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,359
all of them here. It just it makes let's make

1312
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:05,840
people dumber. That's great. It's it's horrific to see, man.

1313
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,600
So but that's what's going on. And uh, you know

1314
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,319
you can see it in the greenhouses. And so it's

1315
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:14,880
my job to shit on that. It's my job to

1316
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,760
ship on that. We went there. They were having the

1317
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,680
Orchid Show on Sunday, and I went to I went

1318
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,760
to the fucking Orchid Show. I was like, you know,

1319
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,079
because we had to go there anyway. I had to

1320
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:25,560
drop them stuff out of their barrium and we went

1321
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,359
into the orchid show, and I was just, you know,

1322
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,479
it's they're first off, they're playing music that sounds like

1323
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,479
it'd be playing in the dialysis clinic. It's like, you know,

1324
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,079
or a cotillion dinner. It's like, really fancy. I felt

1325
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:40,079
like I was at a fucking symphony where I was

1326
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:43,159
gonna get, you know, thrown out for pocket too loud. Right,

1327
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:45,359
they're playing they should have been playing Cumbia's. Most of

1328
01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:49,399
the fucking orchids they were showing come from neotropical areas.

1329
01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:52,760
Play Cumbia's. Play something that doesn't suck. You're playing this

1330
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,600
music for these rich stiffs night. And then it's all

1331
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,520
just show. It's all cultivars, it's all showy. Or there's

1332
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,760
no mention of or kids have the whole family has

1333
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,079
one of the coolest pollination systems, a diversity of pollination systems,

1334
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:12,800
really cool stories ecologically and evolutionarily to tell there. And

1335
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,239
there was nothing, there was no information about any of

1336
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:17,880
these things. It was just here's a pretty flower. Hmm,

1337
01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:21,079
doesn't it smell nice? You know? And some of them

1338
01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:23,079
didn't smell nice. Some of them smelled like rotting meat

1339
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:25,000
because like the bulb of phylens and shit, there. Some

1340
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:28,960
of those are pollinated by flies that go after carcasses.

1341
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,359
No mention of that, No mention, let's make everyone dumber.

1342
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,479
Let's just put it's just the pretty plant. That's I

1343
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,039
need to know. It's the pretty shower, pretty flower. And

1344
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:40,279
this is more of the mentality again that separates us

1345
01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:43,840
from the living world. Right. Fuck the education, Fuck the

1346
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:48,279
philosophical context. You can glean about your own place in

1347
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:51,640
the world from learning about how these lineages work, how

1348
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,600
taxonomy works, how evolution works, how two different species have

1349
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,720
evolved that are relatively closely related have evolved different you know,

1350
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:05,239
pollination strategies or ecologies. Fuck all that. He was a

1351
01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:08,319
pretty flower. Isn't it pretty? Isn't it It listened to

1352
01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:10,960
the music. Isn't it pretty music? Dude? It's pretty just

1353
01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:17,119
you know, bottom bottom of the fucking brainstem stuff. It

1354
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:21,039
kills me. Man. So anyway, security finally kicked us out

1355
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:22,600
of the orchid show. It's because they had a dog

1356
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,840
in there, you know, the old service animal thing. Louis

1357
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,000
was being really good though, but so they kicked this

1358
01:15:28,039 --> 01:15:30,760
out and then we were just walking around the little

1359
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,640
gardens with all the beds in the green yard. They

1360
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,159
got some interesting stuff in the in the bed they

1361
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:38,640
had lighting area, which is cool. It's a cool member

1362
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,119
of Simarubasi, a pretty rare genus. I've seen it here

1363
01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:44,000
in Missouri. I've seen it in East Texas. It also

1364
01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:47,239
grows in Florida. It's a wetland member of Simarubasi, the

1365
01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:53,399
Atlantis and Castilla family. But uh, but you know, they

1366
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,520
said a lot of garbs. They had English ivy as

1367
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,560
a specimen like it had its own label, and shit

1368
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:03,359
English ivy in the fucking garden beds. You have a

1369
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:08,000
listed invasive noxious weed as a specimen plant. That's like

1370
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:09,880
when I went the four Worth Botanic car And they're

1371
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,079
horrible for this stuff too, or at least they were

1372
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:15,079
five years ago. Maybe they've changed. Probably not right, because again,

1373
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:17,880
anywhere you have, you know, you're dependent on rich twats

1374
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,079
for donations. You have to dumb it down. You have

1375
01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:24,119
to put this puke out there, right. I bet that,

1376
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:25,840
you know. I bet if the rich people don't care,

1377
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,279
they just want to spot to stiff each other's asses,

1378
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,560
you know, and show off their money. They don't care.

1379
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,159
You could put the take a gamble. You could put

1380
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:36,039
some of the educational shit in there to a lot

1381
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:37,920
more of it actually, and get rid of some of

1382
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,640
this dumb show garden fluff. And they wouldn't give a shit, right,

1383
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,199
you just had to explain it to them. Well, we

1384
01:16:43,319 --> 01:16:46,039
put this in there because it's a really cool plant

1385
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:49,479
that's got a cool ecology. It's related to this thing,

1386
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,359
but it took this drastically different turn on the phylogenetic

1387
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,560
tree of life, and it looks rapidly or it looks,

1388
01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:02,239
you know, extremely different from all of its uh, all

1389
01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:05,640
of its relatives. Right, you can explain it. The little

1390
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,920
rich don't care. They just want to sniff each other's butts.

1391
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,399
They just want to be They want to have a spot.

1392
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,239
They have their little banquets and shit, you know the

1393
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,000
rich donors. You don't have to. It's just it's so

1394
01:17:14,199 --> 01:17:17,840
pathetic and chicken shit. But to have to have English

1395
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,920
ivy like forwith Botanic Garden had Nandina domestica in the

1396
01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:25,880
fucking garden beds Atlanta Botanical Garden is another shithole for

1397
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,479
this no offense. They do have some cool stuff, it's

1398
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,880
like stuffed off in the corner. You got like some

1399
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:35,239
New Caledonian stuff. But they have a lot of garbage,

1400
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:37,680
a lot of this garbage. And I think it's because,

1401
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:40,399
you know, no offense to anybody working there, at least

1402
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,960
on the ground. This is administrative decisions. These are administrative

1403
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,880
decisions made to attract oh, beautiful rockout cropping, holy hell

1404
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,279
over here on Highway sixty seven through Missouri. These are

1405
01:17:52,279 --> 01:17:57,000
administrative decisions that are made to attract the wealthy and

1406
01:17:57,119 --> 01:17:59,560
to please the wealthy so that they keep getting money,

1407
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,840
and they don't want it. They're afraid that if they

1408
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:08,600
plant wild plants, wild ecotype plants of shit that's interesting.

1409
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,159
And they if they you know, they don't plant a

1410
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:12,560
hundred of them all in a line or group to

1411
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,359
by color, that that's gonna be a turn off to

1412
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,920
the wealthy donors. And so they want to do more

1413
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:24,399
of this Victorian garden, this Renaissance garden bullshit that kills

1414
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,359
me on the inside every time I have to see it.

1415
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,920
If I never saw this kind of gardening style again

1416
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,960
in my entire life, I wouldn't miss it. I wouldn't cry,

1417
01:18:32,119 --> 01:18:34,720
I wouldn't mourn it. There would never be an afternoon

1418
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,079
where I woke where you know, or a morning where

1419
01:18:38,119 --> 01:18:41,039
I woke up and then thought, oh, Wow, I'd love

1420
01:18:41,119 --> 01:18:44,199
to see a hundred fucking moms cascading over a brick wall.

1421
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:47,079
Wouldn't that be something? Wouldn't that? I do miss being

1422
01:18:47,119 --> 01:18:49,680
able to see that. That will never happen. That will

1423
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,359
never fucking happen. I spend time in a living world.

1424
01:18:52,399 --> 01:18:54,680
I go, I do field botany, I go look at

1425
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,840
wild shit, I go look at cool stuff. Right, I

1426
01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:00,319
have a lot of context for what I like, like

1427
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:02,199
having a lot of context for what I go. Look at.

1428
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,720
My context for this bullshit is that some rich cunt

1429
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,039
just make just bread this stuff to look stupid. It

1430
01:19:09,119 --> 01:19:12,760
looks really goofy. It doesn't look wild, it doesn't look natural,

1431
01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:15,880
and they just found it whimsically attractive, and it's supposed

1432
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,399
to please some you know, double digitiq dolt with a

1433
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,840
lot of money. That's what my context is for those plans, right,

1434
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:25,239
That's what the context is. That's what you've turned it into.

1435
01:19:25,359 --> 01:19:27,880
That's what you're making us all look at. I've spent

1436
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,239
twenty minutes talking about this. I'll spend another twenty east.

1437
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:32,359
I mean I won't put it. I could easily spend

1438
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:36,520
spend another twenty minutes. Really, heterohelis, you get English ivy

1439
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,840
in the garden bed is a specimen tree? Are you

1440
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,960
trying to be an asshole? Is this a joke? We

1441
01:19:43,039 --> 01:19:45,119
should make a joke. I want to make a horticultural

1442
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:47,840
atrocity garden. If I ever have a botanical gun, I'm

1443
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,319
gonna make a horticultural atrocity garden. And there's gonna be

1444
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:53,640
a big fucking toilet in the middle of it, like

1445
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,880
a big surrand. It's gonna be an art installation with

1446
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,600
a toilet and a bunch of garbage, like just a

1447
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,399
giant pile of garbage in the middle of this. And

1448
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,840
I'll laminate it with that plastic you know, some some

1449
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,880
epoxy so it doesn't move or blow around in the wind.

1450
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,720
It'll be a big pilot trash with a toilet in

1451
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,439
the middle, maybe some old rolls, a carpet, a lot

1452
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:17,079
of plastic trash, soda bottles, you know, chip bags, shit

1453
01:20:17,279 --> 01:20:21,119
like that. And then I'm gonna plant crape myrtles and

1454
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:25,319
Andina domestica and daylilies and all this dumb bullshit around it.

1455
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:28,000
And that's gonna be the horticultural atrocity garden. We'll stuff

1456
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,760
it in the corner. It'll be an installation piece so

1457
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,640
people can understand what was still going on in early

1458
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:38,720
twenty first century American horticulture. Tony's Garden of Trash and Pain,

1459
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,800
that's what we'll call it. Oh god, it's forty degrees.

1460
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,560
It's like two in the afternoon. It's forty degrees. I'm

1461
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,680
headed south. I'm going. I'm getting south to Texarcana. Man,

1462
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,720
get south as soon as possible. The other route would

1463
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,680
have taken me west before it went south. I need

1464
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,680
to get south. This is Chili. I liked it for

1465
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,960
a day. It's nice to get like a gray, gloomy day.

1466
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,159
But now it's uh, you know, it's wearing on me.

1467
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,920
But then, like three days ago was seventy degrees here.

1468
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,359
You know, winter doesn't happen anymore. I remember growing up

1469
01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:12,840
as a kid in Chicago. You'd get snowfall on Halloween sometimes.

1470
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:17,279
Now it doesn't come to like late December January. It's

1471
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:22,800
it's so wild. It's just it's like there's no winter anymore.

1472
01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:27,359
Oh my god. So one hundred was one hundred degrees

1473
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:31,920
in South Texas in late February, just nuts it's gonna

1474
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,880
be a hot summer. And we started a war with Iran, well,

1475
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,560
not you and me, but the US, the pigs and change.

1476
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:41,039
You know, this is fucking nuts. It's nuts that just

1477
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:43,399
that it wasn't bleak enough already, we got to add

1478
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,920
a little bit to it. It was the thing. Going

1479
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,960
back to Missouri Botanic Guarden though, and I talk about

1480
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,000
Missouri Botanica Garden of course if you're wondering why Missouri

1481
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,960
Botanical Garden, because it's it's like the American Queue, it's

1482
01:21:56,039 --> 01:21:58,600
one of the best, or supposed to be one of

1483
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,880
the best botanical gardens in the UH in the country.

1484
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,039
They've got a library, they have a press, they're responsible

1485
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:08,359
for printing a ton of floras, a ton of books.

1486
01:22:10,359 --> 01:22:13,560
They're you know, they have pioneered a bunch of research.

1487
01:22:14,319 --> 01:22:17,640
They've got I mean, they wrote the Ecuador Catalog of

1488
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,479
Vascular Plants that I was using when I was in

1489
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,159
Ecuador came from Missouri Botanical Garden. It was funded there.

1490
01:22:24,199 --> 01:22:27,119
So they're they do good work. But the actual garden

1491
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:30,159
itself is kind of going into the shitter. I mean,

1492
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,119
I'm sure it's always been like this because that horticultural

1493
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:37,239
garbage has always been a thing the Shill gardens. But

1494
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,760
you know, normally botanical gardens will have that stuff, and

1495
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,920
then they'll have people like cool people working behind the

1496
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,199
scenes to actually get some educational stuff in there. But

1497
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,199
it seems like now they've got someone behind the scenes

1498
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:53,239
who's working to like liquidate all the educational stuff and

1499
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,279
and put in show guards. You know again. San Francisco

1500
01:22:57,319 --> 01:22:59,079
Potano Garden, same thing used to be a lot of

1501
01:22:59,159 --> 01:23:01,720
interesting stuff. If I went back there five years ago

1502
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,640
and I had heard this was happening, and you know,

1503
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,720
some some guy had taken it over who cleared out

1504
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,720
all the interesting stuff, probably because he didn't understand it.

1505
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,960
He didn't he wasn't a botanist, he wasn't a plant

1506
01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:16,960
a cologist whatever, uh and and filled the ship with petunias.

1507
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,399
They're show garden people, right. I like plants. People tell

1508
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,000
me that I like plants, and what do you like?

1509
01:23:22,039 --> 01:23:24,680
And then it's like it's just a fucking and no offense.

1510
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,960
And then that's great, but it's you know again, it's

1511
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,560
just dumped down. It could you can really get people

1512
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,880
to understand the context of where they fit into the

1513
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,880
world and and to educate them, right, And that's that's

1514
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,920
the kind of society I'd like to live in, right,

1515
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,479
a place where people are smart, and because if they

1516
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,000
have the if they have the context and to understand

1517
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,000
where they fit in and they can, that affects everything else.

1518
01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:55,720
That affects everything else in society. You want scientifically literate people, right,

1519
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,880
even just if it's just some dude working in a

1520
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,399
fucking gas station, why not, you know, and why not

1521
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,039
why should he not have a little bit of an

1522
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:10,039
understanding scientific understanding? Well should he not know the geologic timescale? Right? Right?

1523
01:24:11,279 --> 01:24:15,920
Empower people anyway. But so we were we were in

1524
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,199
the climatron though, and there's I guess there's a hummingbird

1525
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:20,399
that got stuck in the Climatron, which is like their

1526
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:24,119
massive greenhouse that's got to cost an arm and a

1527
01:24:24,199 --> 01:24:26,319
lake to cool man, because even on a chilly day,

1528
01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:28,600
that's got to get fucking hot in there. It's like

1529
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,600
a giant dome shaped the greenhouse. And I guess this

1530
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,479
hummingbird made it in there. He got stuck, and and

1531
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,600
it's you know, it's a it's a it's it's uh,

1532
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,159
it's a win anna lose because and on one end

1533
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:43,960
he's got all these wonderful sources of food because there's

1534
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,800
so many hummingbird pollinated plants in there. It's in this

1535
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,560
tropical greenhouse. But then also he's got to be lonely

1536
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,960
because he doesn't have a mate, you know, but to

1537
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:56,279
make it in there over the he also doesn't have

1538
01:24:56,319 --> 01:24:58,439
to worry about flying south for the winter. You know,

1539
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:06,560
you gotta get them a friend in there. But yeah, anyway,

1540
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,520
so yeah, but if you're in saying, look, if you're

1541
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,399
in a Saint Paul, Minnesota, go to the College of

1542
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:19,720
Botanical College of Biological Sciences greenhouse. It's fucking phenomenal. The

1543
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,079
people that are working there are doing amazing work. They've

1544
01:25:22,119 --> 01:25:24,720
got a lot of cool stuff. You can see living

1545
01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:29,880
specimens of plants that grow on really really cool ecosystems,

1546
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:34,119
and wild type specimens, not some dumbass cultivar someone thought

1547
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:38,039
was attractive. It's more shilly than there is, right. You

1548
01:25:38,079 --> 01:25:41,800
could see wild type specimens of really cool plants, like

1549
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:45,880
plants that you would read about in botany textbooks because

1550
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,920
they exhibit a really cool trait or evolutionary strategy or

1551
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,880
ecological strategy. So that's good. Garfield Park Conservatory is really good.

1552
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:02,520
You see Berkeley Botanic Gardens really good. Boyce Thompson Arboretum

1553
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,640
is really good. In Arizona, They've got some really cool stuff.

1554
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,920
You know that the kind of shit that Doults would

1555
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:16,520
think is weedy, but it's actually really fascinating. They've got

1556
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,199
a bunch of different types of Kreosode of Larrea trident

1557
01:26:19,319 --> 01:26:22,960
data at Boyce Thompson, which is cool like all the

1558
01:26:23,079 --> 01:26:26,079
South American because that's where Kreosa bush came from. South America.

1559
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,840
So anyway, but back to the mobile, So I had

1560
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,359
to go to the arbarium to check on some identifications

1561
01:26:32,399 --> 01:26:35,920
I had made when I was in Hidalgo. Mainly I

1562
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,920
wanted to look at three dry land or at least

1563
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:46,039
dry tropical members of the coffee family. And these plants

1564
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:48,800
grew at higher elevations like five six thousand feet, so

1565
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:53,159
they're not lowland tropics, but they were remarkable. Nonetheless, Searing

1566
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,479
Ganta culture I was one of them. It was growing

1567
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,560
with the Vaccalinia species, which was fucking wild to see

1568
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,239
because Collinea is like a west They grow that in

1569
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:07,920
West Texas horticulturally, so these are xerophytes. They're like dry shrubs.

1570
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,159
Searing get the culture. I had really bizarre shaped yellow

1571
01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:16,279
tube flowers, probably moth pollinated. I think all these coffee

1572
01:27:16,319 --> 01:27:19,319
family members ruby Ac members I was looking at were

1573
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:26,079
moth pollinated. Nernstya mexicana was another one that I saw

1574
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:29,439
growing out of limestone with Hibiscus marchianis and a whole

1575
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,600
and Aerocarpus and a whole bunch of other I mean,

1576
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,439
it was wild to me. It's wild to see shrub

1577
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:41,039
ruby ace xerophytes growing in deserts with cacti and all

1578
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:43,600
this other shit, because it's just I normally just think

1579
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,960
ruby ac is more of like a lowland tropical thing.

1580
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,479
If we're not talking like you know, how Stonia or

1581
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:53,279
something that it's it's gonna be, it's not, you know,

1582
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:54,920
it's if it's gonna be like a shrub or tree,

1583
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,279
it's it's gonna be more of a tropical, more music thing.

1584
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:01,039
But that's not the case. So Nerdstya my Xicana formerly

1585
01:28:01,159 --> 01:28:05,039
Siguria mexicana, really cool one. And these should all be

1586
01:28:05,119 --> 01:28:07,920
in cultivation, by the way, you know, as zero fitic

1587
01:28:08,039 --> 01:28:12,399
plants in Texas, Arizona, southern California, and as far as

1588
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,680
I know, no one is growing any of these. So

1589
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:20,199
Nurdstya Mexicana searing Ganta cultureI and then Coude Portia. I

1590
01:28:20,359 --> 01:28:23,199
think uh co O U t E p O r

1591
01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:29,880
t I A maybe was another Guys Brick Giana ges

1592
01:28:30,359 --> 01:28:34,520
Geys brand g h I E S. That was another one.

1593
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,520
I wanted to confirm, I said, I just want to

1594
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:42,199
make sure. I saw him in in uh Hidalgo and

1595
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,520
in San Luis poto C And I wanted to make sure.

1596
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:46,520
And I took me a while to figure out what

1597
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,039
they were just going through the flora, I I d

1598
01:28:49,279 --> 01:28:50,960
them and then wanted to make sure that's what indeed

1599
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,760
what they all were, and it was. And they're all

1600
01:28:54,079 --> 01:28:58,520
really fucking cool shrubs, you know, shrubs, small trees that

1601
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:03,159
should be in cult innovation, moth pollinated whatever, and that

1602
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,600
you know, a couple of them grow just south of

1603
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,760
the border in south Texas or and in northern Mexico,

1604
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,720
excuse me, right, So they were probably there before the

1605
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,159
place to seem cooling they were probably probably occurred farther north.

1606
01:29:18,279 --> 01:29:20,680
I mean, who's to say, right, but I'm guessing that

1607
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,520
once that place to seem cooling happened, that knocked out

1608
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,760
a lot of northern populations of stuff that still around

1609
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:32,439
or lineages ancestors of shit that's still around in northern Mexico,

1610
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:38,399
so I wanted to go look at that confirm. And

1611
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:42,720
then there was a weird red flowered scutelaria I saw

1612
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:47,359
in Mexico Scutlarium mulang tensius. They didn't have that at thebarium.

1613
01:29:48,039 --> 01:29:53,119
There was a weird rus kondra loma from Wahaca that

1614
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:55,840
I'm still not confident that was the identification of the

1615
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,079
small tree that I saw, but I'm guessing it is,

1616
01:29:59,119 --> 01:30:01,279
who knows. And then I was looking at some of

1617
01:30:01,319 --> 01:30:08,039
those pseudo smodingium as rash plants. Pseudo Smodingium P s

1618
01:30:08,399 --> 01:30:11,640
E U d O S M O d I N

1619
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,600
g I U n which is a fucking dope genus

1620
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:20,479
and a cardiac supposedly contains rushia all the poison IV compound,

1621
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,920
and it was U pernissiosa. What was what was the

1622
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:31,640
one I saw? Pseudo Smodingium pernissiosa priniciosa. I forget P

1623
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,520
E R. I don't know. It was incredible though. The

1624
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,079
leaves look fucking gorgeous, and I guess it's pretty common,

1625
01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:39,840
and there were quite a few specimens of it. You

1626
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,079
could actually see the u rushi all on the leaves,

1627
01:30:43,319 --> 01:30:47,640
oxidizing the black. Not everything that oxidizes to black is

1628
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:52,760
going to be rushi all of course, But you rushy

1629
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,680
all does do that. So I'm gonna sharg you know,

1630
01:30:56,079 --> 01:30:58,560
to get these specimens looking really good if you do

1631
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:02,039
collect them and you're from a wet environment, because I

1632
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:03,720
would fork you up before. I used to just dry

1633
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,359
these things, put them in a notebook, dry them on

1634
01:31:05,399 --> 01:31:07,399
the dash of a car. But if you don't have

1635
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,560
a car around, like I didn't when I was in Ecuador,

1636
01:31:11,159 --> 01:31:16,319
you know, I just brought a fucking food dehydrator, and

1637
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:17,920
you find a way to set them up right on

1638
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,600
the food dehydrate, to use chopsticks or something to hold

1639
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,680
them in place, sticking the chopsticks through the grill on

1640
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,439
the dehydrator and put the book vertical holding, you know,

1641
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,920
wrap it with a rubber band or something, and then

1642
01:31:29,079 --> 01:31:31,319
use that to dry. But you know, you want to

1643
01:31:31,399 --> 01:31:34,039
do it slowly enough so that you preserve the color.

1644
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,439
You don't turn the whole specimen black. Whatever. There's a

1645
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:40,720
whole method to the madness of this. How people do

1646
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,720
this stuff right, That's one way I'm going to do

1647
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,720
it the food dehydrate or the other ways, you know,

1648
01:31:46,199 --> 01:31:50,760
getting milk crates and setting the whole plant press on

1649
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,399
the milk rate, throwing a blanket over it, getting a

1650
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:58,439
small space heater, putting that under and to the you know,

1651
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,840
right of the milk crate that your specimens are on,

1652
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,359
and then you know, dramping a blanket over that. I

1653
01:32:04,399 --> 01:32:06,319
think I mentioned this in the last podcast, that the

1654
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:10,399
channels the warm air up some warm air and movement,

1655
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,359
of course pulls the moisture out of these plants and

1656
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,800
uh and drives them right as opposed to just if

1657
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,479
you heat them up too rapidly and then you just

1658
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,680
cook them and they turned black and look like shit.

1659
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,800
Oh now we just crossed an Arkansas, beautiful Neelyville, Missouri.

1660
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,199
Stopped into the Longhorn restaurant and gas station to go

1661
01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:33,359
use the can, and some some fucking idiot had written

1662
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:42,039
deports some MOLLI parasites parasites. They spelled parasites wrong. I

1663
01:32:42,079 --> 01:32:45,239
don't know fucking how. I guess the education systems fucked

1664
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,720
just like it is. You know, the education system a

1665
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:51,279
Neelyville's probably fucked like it is in much of Texas.

1666
01:32:51,359 --> 01:32:53,600
But I was proud of them whoever wrote that they

1667
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:57,439
did spell so Mali wrong, So I you know, I failed.

1668
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:01,520
They failed to explain in their athroom diatribe right on

1669
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,560
a stall there, how Somali pirates are in any way

1670
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:09,800
relevant to their meager ass life here in Neelyville, Missouri.

1671
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,640
But I have a feeling that I can probably explain

1672
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:14,239
that for him. It has something to do with, you know,

1673
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:18,880
the propaganda they're inhaling on their bullshit, the Facebook page

1674
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,000
or media source whatever, you know, it's all the same.

1675
01:33:21,039 --> 01:33:23,119
There's still critical thought anymore. People are just told what

1676
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:26,119
to think and believe from. You know, they're ponds of

1677
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:29,439
the algorithm that I was. I was proud they spelled

1678
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,720
so Mali wrong, which I wouldn't have thought anyone from

1679
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:37,800
this region could. Am I being mean? Yes, but we

1680
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,600
did see we and bye by we, I mean me

1681
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,359
and Louis the dog. We stopped and saw this wonderful

1682
01:33:43,399 --> 01:33:47,880
one point four billion year old exposure of rhyolite on

1683
01:33:48,039 --> 01:33:52,159
this rockout cropping. Most of southern and eastern Missouri is dolomite,

1684
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:55,560
but we saw this beautiful exposure a ryolite. I saw it.

1685
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,640
You know, we're going by these dolomite rockout crops on

1686
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:04,880
a high way, on beautiful Highway sixty seven, and you know,

1687
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:06,960
and they look just like you would expect any kind

1688
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,520
of carbonate rock to look, you know, horizontal betting planes,

1689
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,119
great texture. Where it's been fractured, you could see more white.

1690
01:34:15,399 --> 01:34:18,439
And then suddenly we get this. We hit this beautiful

1691
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:22,079
forty to fifty foot tall exposure of a much more

1692
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:26,600
darker rock which turned out to be this beautiful skeletor

1693
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,680
purple ryot. Like ah, it was just fucking amazing. And

1694
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:32,640
now where am I coming into? Now? God, what if

1695
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:33,960
you had to grow up one of these times? I

1696
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,600
feel so bad for kids. I got to do that,

1697
01:34:36,359 --> 01:34:38,439
you know, and you don't have cool parents or anyone

1698
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,000
cool to like, you know, open your eyes to the

1699
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:44,640
you know, window to the world. You know, all you

1700
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,520
know is the relax in in the McDonald's and the

1701
01:34:49,079 --> 01:34:51,680
just everything is bleak and shit and the Dollar General

1702
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,920
storets you know, you get the Internet. Of course, you

1703
01:34:56,039 --> 01:35:02,039
have the potential of seeing getting exposed to other facets

1704
01:35:02,079 --> 01:35:06,680
of the world, but it's likely not you know, it's

1705
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,960
likely now what's gonna happen? It's likely, Now, what's gonna happen.

1706
01:35:10,039 --> 01:35:14,000
You're gonna get distracted watching stupid dances on TikTok and

1707
01:35:15,079 --> 01:35:18,279
you know, maybe whatever political shit your parents are inhaling

1708
01:35:18,399 --> 01:35:24,840
and there's not a lot of cultural opportunities, right, I know,

1709
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,840
you never know though. Man, some of these kids, you know,

1710
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:32,279
they surprised it it really there's hope, you know, Oh,

1711
01:35:32,319 --> 01:35:34,880
there's a Johndro that weren't they fucking people? Weren't they

1712
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:38,880
fucking farmers? Recently they built in some software that was

1713
01:35:39,039 --> 01:35:42,520
bound to fail, or that you had to get set

1714
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,119
up on, like a monthly payment plan to after you

1715
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:46,880
and you only find that out there. You have to

1716
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,199
do that after you buy the fifty thousand dollars piece

1717
01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:58,520
of farm equipment. Amica Mayriica, God shit, it's light for

1718
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:05,920
day anyway. I just saw a wonderful fat Vance meme

1719
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,479
of it was like an AI. I approve it. I

1720
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:13,039
use of AI normally for procreating videos and pictures and

1721
01:36:13,079 --> 01:36:16,319
shit it's stupid, but if we're talking fatdvants, it's different.

1722
01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:19,600
It was Fadvance getting into an F sixteen with Pete

1723
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,640
Hegseth and all these other worms. Look at it was

1724
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,000
just a really nice little sequence you know. It was

1725
01:36:25,039 --> 01:36:27,800
like a twenty second sequence fadvance. So you look so

1726
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:33,119
happy and proud, our bravest boy, A perfect symbol of

1727
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:39,159
the dystopia or moving into it's moving forward into anyway. Yeah,

1728
01:36:39,239 --> 01:36:41,079
So I loaded up a bunch of fucking pieces of

1729
01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:44,079
rhyolite into the back of my truck from this this

1730
01:36:44,319 --> 01:36:46,720
one point four billion year old exposure, you know, and

1731
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,279
most of them again surrounding that it's most of this

1732
01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:55,800
uh Devonian dolomite, and then you've just got you can

1733
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,039
even see it on the Rocked app again. Download that

1734
01:36:58,399 --> 01:37:01,560
roc KD. The Rocked app can see what the rock

1735
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:06,640
beneath your feet, and any map is most of the dolomites,

1736
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,239
like four hundred million year old dolomite, and then there's

1737
01:37:09,279 --> 01:37:11,439
just these exposures. I love seeing stuff like that because

1738
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,119
it got like, God, this fucking rock. Is it cooled

1739
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:17,520
from a magma one point two billion years ago? And

1740
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,720
what other like when did it get uplifted and exposed?

1741
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,359
What is it doing here? I just want to know

1742
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:27,920
what's it doing here? Next stop Texar Cana. We're going

1743
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,680
to Texar Cana. We'll stay in Texar Canada night unless

1744
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:34,720
I drink a shit done a cold brew, and we

1745
01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:39,159
decided to drive in the midnight into the outskirts of Houston,

1746
01:37:39,279 --> 01:37:41,640
Texar cana is not that bad. I was there last

1747
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,159
year and I saw some nice I saw some nice stuff.

1748
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:46,199
When was I there? Was it last? I don't know

1749
01:37:46,199 --> 01:37:48,279
what to fuck it? Maybe was the year before that

1750
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,680
I stayed in a really shit bag motel though, I

1751
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,000
mean it was it was bleak. It wasn't you know.

1752
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,680
It ended up being hygienic enough, but it was just

1753
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,800
culturally and spiritually. I lost the bit of myself that

1754
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:06,760
night just by being there. So but I remember seeing

1755
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,720
some really nice habitat there was also there were some

1756
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,439
woods that was you could tell fire suppression that had

1757
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:13,720
been a thing they I wanted to burn them. I didn't.

1758
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,560
I wasn't gonna do it, but you know, someone needs

1759
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:19,560
to go in there and burn the woods. Northeast of Texas, Canada.

1760
01:38:20,199 --> 01:38:21,920
It was you could tell it was a nice It

1761
01:38:22,039 --> 01:38:24,199
was a piece of public land. I forget where exactly

1762
01:38:24,279 --> 01:38:26,000
it was. Could tell it was nice. They had a

1763
01:38:26,039 --> 01:38:28,119
lot of nice mushrooms coming up, but it was very

1764
01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:35,439
fire suppressed and it needed to be burned. Goddamn though, man,

1765
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:38,560
the mojave. I guess is going off right now? I

1766
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:44,640
got friends sending me pictures of Polisma sonore that parasites

1767
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,760
in baranj and Ac. A parasitic plant that hits ambrosia

1768
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:51,560
looks like a little disc. They call it sand food,

1769
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:55,399
really stupid fucking common name, which is not surprising, sand food,

1770
01:38:56,119 --> 01:38:59,720
because you can eat it. It's incredibly rare and really

1771
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:01,680
cool plant. And the fact you can eat it, that's

1772
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,119
like the least interesting thing about it. It's a parasitic

1773
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:08,119
plant that grows in the dests. What disperses the seeds,

1774
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,199
what pollinates? Say? What? Is one of the most common

1775
01:39:11,239 --> 01:39:13,520
host plants. But you can eat it. You can put

1776
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:19,760
it in your mouth without dying, without poisoning yourself. Is

1777
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,800
it somebody hitchhiking out here? No, God, this has got

1778
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:27,439
to be a bleak man Northern Arkansas, southeast of Missouri.

1779
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,520
That's gotta be a bleak fucking place to hitchhike. I

1780
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,680
can imagine all kinds of feeling, all kinds of depravity.

1781
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:35,159
If you were like riding the freight train, you got

1782
01:39:35,239 --> 01:39:38,279
kicked off here, you got a hitchhike into town. Holy hell,

1783
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,199
you're in for your going in buddy, you're going down

1784
01:39:41,239 --> 01:39:44,199
for a deep one, all right. Get ready to feel

1785
01:39:44,279 --> 01:39:49,880
some some spiritual futility for a few days or whatever

1786
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:51,520
long it takes you to get out of there. I

1787
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:55,199
experienced that in Deshler, Ohio. Shut up the beautiful Duschler

1788
01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:02,159
saying that sarcastically, Ohio. There were actually some nice guys.

1789
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,920
They were probably mildly racist, but you know, I passed

1790
01:40:08,399 --> 01:40:11,359
that that were hanging out in the little rail fan

1791
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:13,760
park there to I don't of them, help me get out.

1792
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:18,840
They were nice enough, you know, they they were. It's

1793
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:22,960
kind of working class SMOs. But yeah, Deshla, Ohio man

1794
01:40:23,079 --> 01:40:29,159
rough rough spot. Anyway, there was I was looking at

1795
01:40:29,159 --> 01:40:33,399
when I was at a friend's house in Saint Louis.

1796
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,439
I was looking at that Bursra book. You know, the

1797
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:40,159
genis Bursa, don't you, huh. Bursa racey, the Frankinsense family,

1798
01:40:40,359 --> 01:40:44,600
one of the the one of the main genera that's

1799
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:49,239
known as the elephant trees. And there's a book that

1800
01:40:49,399 --> 01:40:51,920
came out by this lady out of Mexican. I forget

1801
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:56,760
her name, but it's it's it's all about the genus

1802
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,720
burs in their ecology it's really cool. And Bursa, you know,

1803
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,640
most their flowers look alike. The main way that you

1804
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,079
tell the difference. They're one of those families where the

1805
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:06,680
main way you tell the difference are the leaves and

1806
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,640
the habit And there are some fascinating I mean, she

1807
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,199
really covers all the different species. She talks about the

1808
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,680
resin canals that they have in their leaves and stems,

1809
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:21,760
some of which are pressurized and actually squirt resin out,

1810
01:41:23,239 --> 01:41:27,760
mainly to dissuade these beetles that have they've had like

1811
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:36,319
a a evolutionary cold war with you know, co evolutionary

1812
01:41:36,399 --> 01:41:40,039
war with over the last few million years. There's different

1813
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:45,560
different species of beetles that attack different species of Bursara.

1814
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,119
Because these things are Franknanson's family. They've got these volatile

1815
01:41:48,199 --> 01:41:51,359
chemicals in their leaves and stems that smell wonderful to

1816
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,960
us but are meant to you know, their their armaments

1817
01:41:55,079 --> 01:42:01,399
in the the war against the evolutionary war against their

1818
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:06,640
main antagonist beetle species. So, but the pressurized resin canals

1819
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,520
thing is nuts, Like these things actually squirt resin out

1820
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:13,359
if they're punctured or chewed into. So and there's a

1821
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:17,800
photograph of it in the book Real Nice. It's called bursas,

1822
01:42:18,039 --> 01:42:22,399
copals and quiexotes or something like that. The different common

1823
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,640
names for the different kinds of bursra b U, R,

1824
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:31,039
S e r A. Yeah, really fucking cool book. I

1825
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:33,560
had it in PDF form, but I just order the

1826
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:35,960
hard copy tool because I need it for my library.

1827
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:39,199
You know, you need it for your library. There's some

1828
01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:41,600
good stuff in Arkansas. You know, it's just the wrong

1829
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:45,359
time of year, early March. Stuff is still just waking up.

1830
01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:48,880
There's some good habitat left in Arkansas. There's a lot

1831
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of uh, you know, devastation, though you look at a

1832
01:42:51,359 --> 01:42:54,760
satellite map, it's all squares of farmland with little areas

1833
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:59,479
left around the rivers and creeks, little areas of remaining greenery,

1834
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:05,920
much of it probably invaded by invasive species. But there

1835
01:43:06,039 --> 01:43:08,600
is that weird vernonia here that grows in the novaculate

1836
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:15,359
exposures along the river. I think that's more southwestern and

1837
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:17,760
so that. But there's you know, there's there's there's good

1838
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:21,680
ship everywhere. There's some really cool Arkansas that vernonia grows

1839
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:27,720
with and Amsonia as well on these novaculate rockout crops.

1840
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:31,199
Above the river. If I could, I wish I could

1841
01:43:31,319 --> 01:43:33,439
remember where it was. Let me look it up for you.

1842
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,359
There we go. Yeah, it was Vernonia letter Mania, right

1843
01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:41,319
where Tanner Street crushes the watch it Tall river. Your

1844
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:45,000
sick baster wears that. I don't know, Malvern Arkansas, somewhere

1845
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,720
around there. There's some good stuff in Arkansas. There's and

1846
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,800
Amsnia growing down there too. You go under the bridge

1847
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,520
just like you're a bummy going to have a fire

1848
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,359
and spray your shit against the wall under there, you know,

1849
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:00,640
and and it's right there. But it's the the Wachita

1850
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,880
River has created these little microhabitats where this species gets in.

1851
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:06,239
It's a really beautiful species. Team Supris. There's not more

1852
01:44:06,279 --> 01:44:13,560
people growing this thing? Letter Mania? Who's Letterman? What else

1853
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:15,640
is going on in Arkansas? I don't know anyway, I

1854
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,800
guess we can wrap it up there our forty five minutes,

1855
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,119
not bet, Are you still with us? Are you paying attention?

1856
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:28,560
We're going on tour with the Horticultural Atrocity slash book

1857
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:32,239
tour late May early June. We're looking for venues, ls

1858
01:44:32,319 --> 01:44:39,880
cruses Tucson. Maybe I'll Passo San Diego, La et cetera.

1859
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:45,000
Al still working out the shows. We should be the

1860
01:44:45,079 --> 01:44:49,039
book tour that starts in like like May twenty seventh

1861
01:44:49,159 --> 01:44:52,359
or something, I think, And then what am I doing.

1862
01:44:52,359 --> 01:44:54,359
I'm gonna be in North Carolina at the Carnivorus Plant

1863
01:44:54,399 --> 01:44:58,000
Society thing in mid May. Hopefully that goes all right.

1864
01:44:58,279 --> 01:45:03,119
It'll be fun, and working on another book that's gonna

1865
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:04,560
be a pain in the ass. It'll be fine, but

1866
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:06,680
it'll be a pain in the Ass's gonna be just photos.

1867
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:09,840
It's gonna be all all photo book. And then we will,

1868
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,239
Uh what am I doing in April? I know I

1869
01:45:12,279 --> 01:45:14,159
got a bunch of bullshel If I forget half this

1870
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:16,239
stuff I got going on, you know, you just can't.

1871
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,800
We'll check in next time. I'll be posting it on

1872
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,560
the social media is and all that and uh yeah,

1873
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:26,199
that's it. So anyway, enjoy the spring and try not

1874
01:45:26,279 --> 01:45:28,760
to focus too much on the dystopia that we're living through.

1875
01:45:29,159 --> 01:46:01,159
Have a grocery day, Go fuck yourself, bike o head

1876
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:15,079
over road. Now, old h I hit on the wrong problem.

1877
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:26,840
Who am the rose? Her mind? And the dream long

1878
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,920
the kindle bring with now a shallow wol I pay

1879
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:35,079
the fucking tas mother the fish