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Speaker 2: How are you doing, Thomas, I do it well. Thanks

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are going to take a break from the

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Continental Philosophy series and talk about something that's in the news.

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New York Post is reporting on it. I have their

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article pulled up from yesterday the infamous picture from World

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War Two entitled the Last jew of Anitsia. It seems

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that through AI and facial recognition, they have figured out

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the name of the officer from the famous picture. I

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will share a screen on the picture for those who

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don't who aren't familiar with the picture, well, they're familiar

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with it, they just don't know exactly what I'm talking about.

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So there is the picture, and it seems that the

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shooter has been identified as jacobis Onen, a teacher born

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in Germany in nineteen six. And Yeah, I contacted you

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about this this morning, and you had made the suggestion

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that we might talk about this and should lead into

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some wider revelations about the war that most people either

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don't know or don't realize. So I'm going to hand

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it over to you, Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of people don't Well, first

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there was a bunch of people on I wouldn't call

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it the revision astside because they're not people who are

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serious into historical research. But people are sympathetic the heterotol

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viewpoint saying this was a fake photo. It was not fake,

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it's real. And other people are saying why would they

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take photographs? Well, all kinds of reasons. If you were

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an EINDSTS group commander, you filed an after action report,

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this was your mandate. You need to produce a body count.

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snapshots as souvenirs. Okay, people think this is outlandish. I'm

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not passing judgment this one or the other. I've seen

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photographs of guys in Vietnam, American soldiers literally holding up

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severed hits like for fun. Okay, I mean again, I'm

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not feigning moral outrage over that. But this idea that

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it's somehow unheard of for photographs to be taken of

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of questionable activity or the shooting of non combatants, that's

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very naive. But also what's going on in that photo

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is very above board. It's not the kind of thing

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that was being shown in movie houses in Berlin or Hamburg.

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and that's character is stick of modern war. I include

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a whole chapter on this in my manuscript that I'm writing.

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I'm not gonna try and turn this into a show

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piece for my own work product, but I think it's

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conceptually relevant. There's this book by Christopher Browning, who I

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he testified against David Irving, which I thought was really grimy.

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was about this. It was Organum Politz Battalion one zero

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one in Yolt's foul Poland I'm sure I'm butchering that pronunciation.

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occurred in Meli four. This is something that happens in

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modern war and in the twentieth century when war became,

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military imperative. That's just a fact. This is why the

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Holocaust religion is bullshit. It's not because things like in

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modern war and this idea that the Germans are the

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epitome of evil and they hate Jewish people for no reason,

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it's the emphasis on it in the way that it's characterize,

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is the centrality of it and the bigoted chauvinism of it.

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that Meli in Vietnam was the secret and then you know,

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the civilian press got wind of it or something, or

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some brave witness, you know, like the guys in that

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uh huey Chopper who intervened you know, went public about it.

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was a great victory. Look at this great body count

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regardless of age, sex, overall health, they're an enemy. You

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can kill them, and you're encouraged to kill them. You know,

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the German Army you got drafted or being ordered to

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do this kind of stuff. You know, you you were,

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you were asked to volunteer. And if you couldn't handle

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career was over. And if you were an enlisted man,

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and a punk. But no, I was getting course marceled

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for this, you know. In contrast, and you literally had

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some nineteen year old draft d being told you had

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to waste the women, kids and oldsters in a free

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fire zone. That's that's really really messed up, you know.

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they say, I'm like some big liberal or something we're

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saying that or whatever. But that's a fact, you know.

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part of like an overall policy imperative that framed this

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mass campaign that was Barbarossa, there was this weird institutional

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agonism between between the army the SS. Then there was

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as the Gestapo actually was the legacy of organization of

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the Prussian Secret Police, and they always resented being under

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the per number of the SS. So Himmler's notion was

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he established the SD the cigarette fenced, which was technically

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the SS's internal security force. But they had trouble establishing

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a mandate because they were resented by the police and

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by the intelligence apparatus, which was the OBVER, which was

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horribly compromised. But that's a whole other subject contitter. So

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the SD didn't really get its institutional mandate until Barbarossa.

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and the RSHA was the umbrella organization and the army,

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even guys who were pretty dogmatic National Socialists in the

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General Officer Corps, they set an uncertain terms you're not

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gonna you're not gonna involve my men in this bullshit.

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this kind of dirty work. And I don't think that's

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particularly admirable. Okay, It's like, look, if we're going to war,

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you're saying you're gonna wash your hands. But like these

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guys got to do it because that's what's coded into

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their into their mandate as policemen or whatever or you know,

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as uh something less than soldiers. I take exception to that,

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you know, and not just playing devil's advocate like I mean,

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I actually find that objectionable. And to be clear too,

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the man in that photograph he was later KIA because

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a lot of Einstein's group officers and enlisted got killed

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in hostile action because in addition to ethnic cleansing and

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categorically uh annihilating uh Eastern Jewelry, then cleansing other racial enemies.

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these guys weren't just doing really kind of horrible things,

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you know again like war as hell. What they did

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is no worse and no better than what the Allies

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did or their Japanese coliberance did. But uh, you know,

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on top of the stress of of this kind of activity,

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they were fighting this really brutal part, you know, anti

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partisan war, and a lot of them were dying. You know,

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so these guys weren't These guys were every bit as

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much soldiers as there as their counterparts. And and they

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here and the assess and uh. This also plays under

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the fact there's this mythology and people have this idea

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again a plant used. You know, they claim, oh, the

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Nazis were evil because they, like Hitler wanted to quote

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like wipe out all Slavs or something like. There was

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as a de jure, there was no category of slav

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in the Third Reich. You know, there were another Nuremberg Codes. Obviously,

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Jews are stripped of all political and civil rights beyond that,

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assuming you they weren't derived of a population that was

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an enemy of the Reich like you know, and there

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the Poles, and despite you know, I I've we've recorded

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Kanya on this, the Poles were ethnically cleansing Germans, Jews,

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Ruthenians and anybody else they didn't like, and they were

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particularly singling out Germans. They slaughtered something like thirteen thousand

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of the nineteen thirty nine war. Okay, So this idea

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that one day Adolf Hitler or Rhynodhydrich or you know,

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a real prejudice. Hitler was a habspurg of Austrian. I mean, granted, yeah,

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this uh kind of enduring prejudice against the Poles. I

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political terms, you know, the internal situation and trying to

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curate cultural palagenesis and all, you know, negotiate the future

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shock of modernity. I mean, yeah, obviously that is that

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was essential aspects of the constellation of values and conceptual

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factors that made a mass socialism. But the grand historical

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mission and national socialism was for Europe to survive, it

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had to become a superpower, you know, and it had

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to consolidate and unite. And Europe's an indefensible peninsula. It's

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this tiny little sliver basically on this giant land mass

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of Eurasia. And the view of people like Hitler, of

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people like Rosenberg, of people like max On shooting the Richter,

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delicate about it, you know, was the Cacusus, which is true,

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and out from that world island, you know, civilizations spread,

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though the Barbarian East and particularly the Mongols pushed everybody

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where Europe fought off the Orient. You know, but it's

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been fighting this desperate kind of rear guard action, position

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of vulnerability for a millennia. That's why one of my

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Michael Proudon That was that was required reading at the

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ss Junker Su and Yak and Piper. He wrote his UH,

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he wrote his thesis to graduate on the doctrine of Yasa.

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oral tradition. So any Mongol warrior, like any man who

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had full status owing to his capacity to bear arms

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and ride as a horseman, he had he had memorized

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this the entire body of Mongol law essentially. But Piper

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wrote about Yasa because any SS officer candidate, he was

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inculcated with a deep understanding of the Mongol Empire and

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the Mongols as a people for two reasons. The similar said,

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the reason we are here in Europe is because of

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the empire created by these people, which was the biggest

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empire the world has ever known. And in Himmler's estimation,

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the Mongols were the greatest martial race that ever existed.

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is going to be the lead European manhood against the

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descendants of the step Mongols to reconquer what was the

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Indo European homeland. And to do that, not only does

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European manhood and the new warrior yalomen re which is

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going to leave the SS that not only do they

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need to understand the kind of ancient heritage related to

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the soil that is being reconquered, but to fight in

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that environment that to fight a total race war, you've

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got to understand the what animated warrior races like the

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Mongols and the European man has to come to emulate

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that and curate that tendency within himself. So the idea

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was as when Czechoslovakia fell apart, and make no mistake,

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it did fall apart. You know, I was writing some

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short from the other day, this idea that Hitler was

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some sorcerer who could make Czechoslovakia failed state or through

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Legard mean to see everybody into appeasing him. I mean

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that that's that's an infantile way of looking at human affairs,

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vaguely power political ones. But you know, Bennett Hitler had

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a particular acts to grind with Bennie, who was a real,

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very perfect and weasel like individual. But you know, when

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Slovakia succeeded, that was the nail in the coffin of

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the contrivance of Czechoslovakia. And of course Slovakia was a

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very close ally of the Reich, you know, and they

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they were very much part of the Axis alliance. But

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you know, historically there's no love loss between the Czechs

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and the Germans, as uh, as a Bohemia and Moravia

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were incorporated into the Greater German Reich, and the Czechs

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of the rump Czechoslovakia were incorporated into the Greater German Reich.

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this kind of resettlement program of ethnically cleansing the Czechs

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and then settling SS officers there and providing them with,

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you know, fiefdoms within the rich agricultural area contained within

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the protector. Hitler had talked about deporting at least six

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million Czechs to UH the eastern hinterland subsequent you know,

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obviously when like war was underway. And but the problem

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was that the Skota Arms Works, which was a rival

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to Krupp in terms of its quality and its productive

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potential and des by what a lot of people think

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the German armament's industry, it was very localized and almost

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uh and very much you know, the production the fixed

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set up almost that there weren't giant factories. So the

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Germans needed the scot To arms Works, and they needed

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the checks that were working there, and uh, you know,

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fighting a race war with the vestigial chess check population

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and then deporting the people who man this facility. I

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mean that would have been a non starter.

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Speaker 1: But can I can I interrupt you? Okay, Well, a

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couple of things. One question I wanted to ask is

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when did how early and when was his decision made

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the realization that in the in the National Socialist Cadre

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that they were in a race war. And can you

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when most people think race war, they think people who

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look blacks against whites, and they think inter European doesn't

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sound like a race war to them. So can you

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address both of those?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I, I mean it was coded into Hitler said

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as early and I was getting that. Hitler said as

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early as nineteen twenty five. And it's one of the

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few things that's worthwhile. In mine Kanf he said that

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the Germany needs to look eastward because capturing that continental

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land mass, the world island, is what is going to

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make Europe a superpower. And it's it's a fool's error

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to try and play the game of colonies or to

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you know, try to expand west. And also, you know, Hitler,

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like every other European of the time, you know, he

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he viewed the Westphalian consensus as a moral imperative. You know,

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you don't. You're not gonna ethnically cleanse France and capture

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as Laban's wrong. Obviously, why do the Germans view Slavs

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and Jews is a different race? Because they were like

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this idea, this idea that race is group anatomy. Nobody

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thinks that way about Americans, you know. And if you

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look at, uh, the Russians as a people, they they've

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got a totally different lineage, they write in a different alphabet.

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They they've got a totally different heritage. Russia is an

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incredibly rac like ethnically and racially diverse place, you know,

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and it always has been, you know, the uh, the

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German view of race, and I've written about this, everything

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was biologically coded. Then that's the way everybody thought about things.

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Is this like materialist, reductionist perspective. You know, America thought

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that way, in France and the UK, in Japan, like

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everybody thought that way. So that's why the Germans talk

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about you know, this biological criteria determining ethnotics or whatever.

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I mean that that's why it's because that was the zeitgeist.

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But nobody nobody in Europe viewed uh Eastern Orthodox people

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from uh the step as white people. And even if

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they were, it's like they you know, they wouldn't even

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a register. But they're okay, great, they're white people. They're

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still a different race, and there are our enemy, you know.

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And like I said, the whole it's coded fear of

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the East is coded into was coded into Europeans. And

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for a good reason, you know, I highly recommend Praudence book.

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Like I said, if people want to understand this, they

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should read it. It's not an accident. It became essential

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reading in the era, you know. And it's I've probably

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got a bias for traditional anthropology because that is just

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more complete, you know. And uh and aside from that,

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I mean, it's not the population genetics is basically validating

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these observations and the kind of mapping of these things

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based on cultural ephemera and and ethno linguistic patterns and

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things of behavior and and cultural production and and things

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like that. But I mean that that's that's why, and

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it uh, but it's also too I mean, people had

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to you know, and uh, you know, the Soviet Union especially,

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I mean, adding to the alienage of it. This was

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essentially an uprising such that there was a European character

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to the Russian Empire, and there was in terms of

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its leadership cast. You know. That's that's what Peter the Great,

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you know, his whole ambition was to European eyes in Russia,

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and uh, in a lot of ways, uh, the uprising

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that created the Soviet Union, once the Bolshemk cadres were

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able to kick off the megacitl you know, activity of

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the body politic, it basically was a way of wiping

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out the European element that was viewed, not incorrectly as

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kind of an overcast. So there's that too, you know.

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And the Soviets are animated by this aggressive military doctrine

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of proletarian revolution. And they openly stated they're not bound

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by the Geneva Convention. They don't recognize international law as

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defined and permissively implemented by the capitalists, you know, they

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they they they categorically removed themselves from the European moral Consensus,

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even had they been party to it previously, and I

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don't think they were. So it's all of those reasons.

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But the test case, if you will, for what became

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racial policy in the east. It started in Bohemia Moravia,

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and then the Polish general government enter Hans Frank because

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you know, Poland had to be UH. Poland was slated

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for annihilation, not just owing to you know, convenience of

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geopolitics and you know, and imperatives they're in, but also

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because there was there was genuine ethnic hatred in between

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the polls and the Germans, you know, and uh Hitler

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wanted to punish the polls. There's a deliberate violence behind

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and it went beyond the fact that you know, settlement

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to the Danzig Corridor and the fortification of it, you know,

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and and made the mistake like when when the Reich

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invaded the the people at Danzig rose up, and you know,

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they they viewed themselves almost like almost like Woide Zimbabwe did,

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as this beleaguered UH population that you know was hated

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by this super majority and that was always at risk

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of it being ethnically Clinton. So you know, there was

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that too. And and these people obviously, you know, they

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a lot of them were like very art national socialists,

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you know, when they're they're like okay, it's on, you know,

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We're we're gonna reclaim We're gonna reclaim this land for

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the Reich, and you know, we're gonna punish these people

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who in their era against you know, thought that they could,

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uh thought that they could ethnically cleanse our people from

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their midst you know. So it became what it became,

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what the what the foreign ministry, the military, uh, the

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right chancery came referred to as a territorial policy, you know,

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and that was exclusive to the East. In a nineteen

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twenty eight in talking about you know, future racial warfare,

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you know, Hitler said, rather, they're gonna have to, you know,

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in a war of conquest, We're either going to have

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to sterilize foreign elements to ensure that they can't contemn,

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you know, continually adulterate the conquering element, which is us,

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or quote removing them all together and uh makeover to

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its own people the land thereby released, and which is

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exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: And so how how uncommon a an attitude was that

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towards the enemy at the at the time, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it was very common. And like I said, the

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polls were the Poles were ethnically cleansing the Germans, not

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just on the frontier, but you know, the anywhere anywhere.

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They were found in appreciable numbers, and you know, thousands

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were killed, you know, and really and horrible stuff happened,

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you know, on a par with the kind of stuff

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that happened on the Eastern Front, you know later between

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the Russians and the Germans, you know, the when the

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when the Wehrmacht uh across the frontier, you know, and uh,

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this is documented. You know they found, uh, they found

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people with nails driven into their eyes, guys who'd have

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been severely tortured and uh, they had their genitals cut

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off and stuffed in their mouth. I mean, like like

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horrifying stuff. I don't get me wrong. I mean the

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Germans returned to serve like like like massively and killed

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a lot of people. But you know, the Poles are

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doing barbaric stuff. You know, this isn't and Polands were

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all about this crazy military junta. You know, it's like

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Ukraine one. Oh, it's like there's this crazy junta. It's

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whacking Jews, it's technically cleansing Germans. It's uh, it's technically

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cleansing Ruthenians and Hungarians and and anybody. They just don't like,

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you know, they then they got then they got this

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totally deranged, senile you know, war guarantee from the UK,

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so that they didn't bold them even further to do

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crazy things. You know, this wasn't people are acting like

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Poland was somehow like Sweden and of the of the

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of the East or something. It's like this. This was

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a totally out of control state that was behaving as

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a as a as a rogue government. You know, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Russia and the Russian Czars had a history of

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dealing with this percent years.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's also I mean people say too, it's you

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know the reason why stalin Uh. I mean, it was twofold. Obviously,

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the the Reich didn't want to open a general war

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up of the Soviet Union. So when when ribent Troup approached,

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you know, it's counterpart in Molotov, you know, the Russians.

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The Russians their pretexts and I'm gonna it wasn't really pretextual.

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It was they were they were looking to defend their

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own people in the East because the Poles a doing

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the same thing to the Russians, you know, I mean,

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it's not this idea that Poland was this great place

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full of peace loving progressive people who were marvelous neighbors.

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And they had this incredible progressive society with a normal

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democratic government. And so that's why the Soviet Union and

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the German Reich just invaded them for no reason. You know.

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It's and I mean for context too, and I don't

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want to I don't want to derail this into a

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discussion of the of September nineteen thirty nine. But the

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Reich offered the Polish hunta unconditional They say, look, we

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make no demands other than we want some kind of

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dedicated access route to Danzig, you know, and we we

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want some sort of you know, mutual defense agreement you know,

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contra the Soviet Union, because we don't coordinate deployment patterns

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an event of a threat, you know, we're both at risk,

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you know. And and uh, the Polish response to that

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was to start ethnically cleansing the German population. Uh. You know,

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for all private persons declare that they they it wasn't

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incumbent on them to negotiate with anybody, you know, like

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I said, it's like Ukraine one point zero, you know,

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it's you're met with grunts, threats and obscenities when when

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you when you try and talk to talk to people

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like like men, you know, And I'm not and I'm

468
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,320
not saying you're saying, I think it was cool or

469
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,119
a good thing that Poland was a pro all bregal

470
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,960
purposes annihilated by the German, right, But I mean that's that,

471
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:22,400
that's race war and the if the stakes. And to

472
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,880
be clear too, what the this. I mean you could

473
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,199
argue that this is categorically arbitrary, but Aryan elements in

474
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:40,239
Poland were treated like any other Europeans, you know, or

475
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,280
and obviously you know a lot of people were bilingual

476
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,199
or multi lingual. Clearly people could physically pass as you know,

477
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,119
European and we're willing to speak German. You know, kind

478
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:56,719
of got along, okay, But you know, the reality is, uh,

479
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:02,400
I'm not suggesting people need to look positively on this

480
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:06,880
or something, but you know, in context, that was a

481
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:13,079
situation where a basic callousness and brutality was characteristic of

482
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,840
decision making. But also too, I mean again the I

483
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,440
think the point of people again and again you know

484
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:30,280
one of you know, the nbah, you know Croatia. First

485
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,880
of all, I mean the Germans and the Croats are

486
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,320
always thick as thieves. I mean they always have been.

487
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,840
They were in the Thirty Years War, you know, Helmet

488
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,559
Cole immediately recognized Tutmont's independence and ninety one. You know,

489
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,760
the Proocs are very Slovic and who are the only

490
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:54,800
people who were not just formally assimilated into the Wehrmacht,

491
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,719
but they were the only non German elements constituting the

492
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,280
lead assault group at Stalingrad. It was a bunch of Croatians,

493
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,119
you know. So it's like, so the Germans hated Slavs,

494
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:10,400
yet you know they they were treating the Croats as

495
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,920
you know, not as fellow national socialists, but you know,

496
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,800
they're racial brothers in arms, you know. It's you know,

497
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,840
the Slovaks too were very uh you know, uh, Hitler

498
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,440
had great respect for Tisso and there was a basic

499
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:37,760
affinity between the Slovak uh clerical fascist state in Germany.

500
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,880
Oh Dilio Glibach that cool get into in a minute,

501
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,639
because he played an important role in in the territorial

502
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:49,199
policy of the SD. He was he was a Balkan Slav,

503
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:55,800
you know, I mean, there ain't no Germans named Adlio

504
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,320
Globatchnik and he was the equivalent of a He was

505
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,719
the equivalent of a of a full kernel in the SS.

506
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,119
You know, I mean I it's examples are legion. You know,

507
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:12,119
it's there wasn't a you know again. But the main

508
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,960
thing is, like I said, there was there was no

509
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:20,360
category jujury of slav That that's not really it's a

510
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,119
cultural and linguistic category. But it ended of itself. It's

511
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:27,000
not it's not it's not a it's not a racial

512
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:31,519
designation anyway, nor is it viewed that way in those days.

513
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:37,239
But the big if you want to put a date

514
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,239
and then forgive me, that was very much a digression.

515
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,199
If you want to put a date on when was

516
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:47,480
Ross and Kree against policy formalized. The over Salzburg meeting

517
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,079
on always twenty second, ninety thirty nine. This is when

518
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:57,639
it became clear that war with Poland wasn't outible. Hitler

519
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:04,920
called a meeting. He summoned a bunch of elements from

520
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,079
ok W, as well as Himmler and some of the

521
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:19,360
higher SS leaders and von Bach theedor von Bach was

522
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,880
a feldmarshal. He said that Hitler openly stated that the

523
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,800
coming war, the things are going to be done of

524
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,320
which German generals would not approve, you know, And he said, therefore,

525
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,079
I'm not going to burden the army with necessary liquidations.

526
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,840
And it's also you know, like I said, the Himmler

527
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:53,039
was an old fighter and Hitler respected him, and he

528
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:59,039
wanted to kind of test the apparatus. Hitler was presiding

529
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,400
over in the into in a territorial policy that was

530
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:09,119
being curated, and Himler was ominous as the task was

531
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,760
was more than happy to abide it because it gave

532
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,079
him this tremendous mandate, you know. And this this is

533
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:18,840
the birth of the eset scrup And that's when Hitler

534
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,760
literally gave Himler the task of forming the inset scruping.

535
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,599
Not to be clear, because this becomes an issue of controversy,

536
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,960
and this is actually this, this really was at the

537
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:38,599
core of the Irving trial. Irving's claim and I accept this.

538
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,960
Irving's claim is that there was no fear order that

539
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,559
ordered the final solution. There was no mass conspiracy from

540
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:52,880
the top down to exterminate European jewry that was being

541
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:59,199
managed and directed by Hitler. That should be obvious. Like

542
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,920
to claim otherwise, that's like saying that Lyndon Johnson ordered

543
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,199
the Meli massacre, and he was pouring over body count

544
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,840
reports and demanding to know, you know what what the

545
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,280
ratio was in free fire zones and Vietnam. That's just

546
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,280
not how executive power works in the modern state, you know,

547
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:25,760
incident to a territorial policy, obviously you're going to need

548
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:32,800
elements that deal in very bloody and grim things like

549
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:39,159
ethnic cleansing and like antipartisan duty, which honestly, there's this

550
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,480
gray area between what constitutes the antipartisan duty and what

551
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:48,519
is just ethnic cleansing. Okay, this isn't semantics or word games.

552
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:56,079
This is a fact and the earliest iteration of what

553
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,960
became the Einsets group. And during the in the anslus

554
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:09,119
Hydrich deployed with order police and SD elements that have

555
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:16,960
been design formerly designated Saunder Commandos literally Special Detachment Elements,

556
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:25,599
and UH they went into Austria to basically protect the

557
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:32,039
rear echelons and uh handle constabulary duty with an eye

558
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,280
for deep security, you know, communists and uh Jewish agitators

559
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,679
and other people who were you know, axiomatically opposed to

560
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:49,400
the Reich. And UH, the Sunda Commandos deployed again when

561
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:58,079
Czechoslovakia fractured, and you know, the protectorate was declared and

562
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:02,519
and the Wehrmacht moved in to the Czech rump state.

563
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,719
But once once the immediate task at hand was over,

564
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,679
they'd kind of been like reabsorbed into this like subordinate

565
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:20,559
element accountable to the Gestapo and the the SD generally.

566
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,760
So it was the over Salzburg meeting in August thirty

567
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,519
nine that was the birth of the Eindsets group in

568
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:37,519
formal terms, and that is we're talking about ethnic cleansing

569
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:44,719
and ross and Kreeg and the territorial policy. The other important,

570
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,199
the other important event and date is October forty three.

571
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,800
The posts and speeches where Himler openly he doesn't dwell

572
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,480
on it, but he talks about, you know, the conics

573
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,559
of territorial policy. He assembled higher s asent police leaders.

574
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,480
He says, we're talking about the annihilation of the Jewish people.

575
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:11,599
He openly says that, you know, and people can argue

576
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,840
semantics with me on that. But I like, again, why,

577
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:21,719
I don't know why people who identify as revisionists try

578
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,519
and take this kind of perspective of none of this happened.

579
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:31,360
That's silly, and it's also it's not the issue, you know,

580
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,400
it's the issue is this is characteristic of modern war

581
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:43,360
and it doesn't represent some rarified evil or something. And

582
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,000
foundationally too, it's not an accident, I mean nineteen thirty

583
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:53,800
nine obviously something we haven't addressed in discreet terms yet.

584
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,599
We've been talking about the territorial policy and the ross

585
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:05,639
and creed between you know, the Eastern Slavs and the Germans.

586
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,840
We haven't specifically talked about, you know, the ethnic cleansing

587
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:19,079
of of the Eastern European Jews. The UH I mean

588
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:28,159
obviously coded international socialists ethics. You know, it is the

589
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:33,760
understanding that Jews are the enemy in existential ontological terms.

590
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:41,119
But it was in January nineteen thirty nine, that's when

591
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,280
it Hitler issued the speech before the reichs Thug, so

592
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:51,320
eight months before your Salzburg meeting. That's when he said,

593
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,239
quote today, I'm going to once again be a prophet.

594
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:01,159
If the international finance Jewelry, If international finance Jewry inside

595
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:04,880
and outside of Europe manages once more to precipitate the

596
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,840
world into war, the outcome will not be the bolshivization

597
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,519
of the Earth and the consequent triumph of Jewry, but

598
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:16,360
the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe. End quote.

599
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:30,199
Now this was when this was in response to according

600
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:38,679
to most people who know the lower immediately prior Heim Weisman,

601
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:43,199
who was an essential figure, a key figure, and what

602
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,360
became the focus. He'd written a letter in Evil Chamberlain

603
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:52,960
promising that all Jews everywhere stood with the UK and

604
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,920
on the side of anybody who fought the Third Reich.

605
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:06,039
And the Times public that letter, and that's the source

606
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:10,320
of that headline. You know, world Jewelry declares war against

607
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:17,960
the German Reich. So that's the context. And January nineteen

608
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:24,559
forty two, and Hitler referred to that Weisman's statement on

609
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:31,000
more than one occasion, and then January thirtieth, nineteen forty two.

610
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:38,679
I don't accept the vance conference narrative. We can talk

611
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:45,199
that at some point. Why I I think it. It

612
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,880
was part of the narrative aspect of the case in

613
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:57,159
chief for specific intent homicide. So it was a and

614
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:01,480
if you know anything about the way prosecuting author structure cases,

615
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:04,559
it's based on narrative. So I don't accept that. But

616
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:10,800
it is clear the Einstins groupmen became active in earnest

617
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:15,199
In the opening weeks and months of nineteen forty two,

618
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:22,159
and it was January forty two he said, for the

619
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:27,519
first time, we're implementing ancient Jewish law, eye for an eye,

620
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:32,920
tooth for tooth, you know, against the tribe. Obviously, the

621
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:41,119
you know, the intended sentiment being the Jews started this

622
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:48,079
war and so now they're reaping the whirlwind, and they

623
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,000
they're waging a racial war on Europe. We are waging

624
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,360
a racial war against them. In kind, I place a

625
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:02,360
lot of emphasis on direct testimony and declarations of key personages,

626
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:08,280
I mean, whatever the subject matter is, probably because my

627
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,559
background in part is in the law, but the essential

628
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:19,280
understanding the perspective of the fear, and particularly because this

629
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,639
is an issue that specifically put in controversy, you know,

630
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:28,880
about not just executive intent, but the degree to which

631
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:36,480
policy was being driven by individual decisions, you know, and

632
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:42,639
obviously no decisions of a political sort in war and

633
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:48,599
peace especially or rendered in isolation. So this is it

634
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:54,199
wasn't just an afterthought or you know, Hitler taking the

635
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:59,440
kind of rhetoric that was common to people like Carl

636
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:04,639
Luger and just implementing it at scale because he was

637
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:09,239
crazy your head, some sort of homicidal prejudice. It was

638
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,760
very it was inextricably bound up with I mean, don't

639
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,599
get me wrong, like the fact that there was this

640
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,400
racial war going on in the East. That absolutely is

641
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,920
a brutalizing effect. And once you cross that threshold, you

642
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,360
can't not only can you not go back from it,

643
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,400
but it also changes things, you know. And this is

644
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:40,039
also someone that became clear. You know that the Allies

645
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:44,519
intended to destroy Germany, you know, and it's okay, this

646
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:49,000
is an existential fight, and you know, the Jews have

647
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:51,639
openly declared war on us. And to be clear too,

648
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:53,800
whether you accept this or not, I mean not you personally,

649
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,440
I mean whether anybody accept this or not. Not just

650
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,800
Adolf Hitler, but the entirety of the German Reich leadership

651
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:11,400
class really their military element. They viewed the world Jewish

652
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,679
population as a combatant actor. The fact that there wasn't

653
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:22,079
a Jewish national state, it didn't matter, you know. They

654
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,960
viewed him as a party combatant to hostilities. You know.

655
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,880
So if you're going to burn our cities to the

656
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,719
ground and set fifty thousand women, kids and old people

657
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,159
on fire when we find you in Belarus, we're going

658
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,119
to kill all of you and kick you into a ditch.

659
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:46,679
I mean that was the you know that that's pretty

660
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:54,760
awful stuff, but you know that was the mindset. That's

661
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,280
the reality. You know, this stuff wasn't just spontaneous, and

662
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,320
you know it's also and it's convoluted too because speaking

663
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:11,440
of uh, like speaking of Globok or Paul Global actually

664
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,280
but uh, you know Global, it was claimed he was

665
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,280
responsible for the Bobby r massacre, like what was claimed

666
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,159
that the casualties claimed at Bobby are That's literally not possible,

667
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:27,719
you know, So, I mean there's all this you got

668
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,400
to wade through this bullshit too gross, the exaggerator just

669
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,199
crazy claims. So then that further convolutes the issue, and

670
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,559
that also encourages people to doubt the entirety of what happened,

671
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,840
you know, and things like that. So I thin I

672
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:51,800
wanted to mention uh, the low guy of that photograph

673
00:55:52,199 --> 00:56:07,360
to bring it back the uh, the Lublin district in

674
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:19,880
the East, Glibashnik, Heidrich and Himmler himself, they had an

675
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:27,320
idea of creating German settlements in what was formerly Poland

676
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:35,519
in Ukraine and then ultimately you know, uh, Russia proper

677
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,519
you know, they wanted to create these settlement areas where

678
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,280
s S men would be given a life fiefdom, like

679
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:51,039
a life estate, and uh, you know they they'd be

680
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:54,199
this kind of warrior yaloe memory like the opponent, like

681
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:59,079
the fact m Rhyan, but of the Eastern frontier, you know,

682
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:05,159
and they'd they'd be this professional warrior element. But you know,

683
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:08,880
they'd also preside over these big agrarian of states and

684
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,719
that would be the breadbasket of you know, Western Europe

685
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:21,159
and uh Veninsia. There's this qua quadrilateral sort of territory

686
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:29,280
bounded by Lublin, Zytomir, Veninsia, and Levov. Each was a

687
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,360
special or a special each was There's a lot of

688
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:36,440
s S activity in particularly Einst's group and activity in

689
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:41,880
each of those low Guy and Lublin specifically. That was

690
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:48,840
the Glibashnik's headquarters. The reichs here s S. Himmler his

691
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:58,599
command h Q was at Zomir and uh during the

692
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:03,880
first phase of first phase of Barbarossa. As the Wehrmacht

693
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:10,480
made rapid advance, there was a settlement center that Hitler

694
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:14,960
set up for German Ukrainians, you know, to basically corral

695
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:20,119
the Ukrainian folks Deutsch and give them first choice on

696
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:23,679
where they wanted to live, and you know, try and

697
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:32,679
curate a vanguard population of Volkstutsch, you know, as the

698
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:41,480
hostilities r under way, to beef up security in the

699
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:46,519
rear areas. But also, you know, the Germans realized they

700
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:49,880
were racing the clock even if NBCY it get been realized.

701
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In you know, December forty one, Carl Wolf wrote about this.

702
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You know, who was SS atjuctant to Hitler. It was

703
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:03,000
just an interesting guy and he he is I if

704
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,119
you come across interviews, one of which from around nineteen

705
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:13,920
eighty one was really fascinating. But he he said some

706
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,400
interesting stuff and he uh he made the point that

707
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:26,400
you know, everybody in the control element around the fere

708
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,400
and he was in a position to know because I

709
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,400
mean he was literally the SS adjectant to the theory

710
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,599
realized we were racing the clock, you know. And that's

711
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,679
one of the reasons why the the R s h

712
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,760
A and the s D in the Aisis group and

713
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:50,000
became so active, you know. The uh but yeah, the

714
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,039
they kind of polish up the Polish Ukrainian frontier for

715
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:59,800
ethnic reasons, for geostrategic reasons, for reasons that arable land,

716
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:09,400
and because historically that was the heartland of folks Deutsche

717
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:16,559
in the east. You know that this this all magnified

718
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:19,159
the significance of this area. So that's that's part of

719
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:25,400
it too. And Glibosh makes an interesting figure. He was

720
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,400
a bad guy like he uh. I mean I mean

721
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,199
that I'm not being judgemental in some petty stupid way.

722
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:33,920
I mean, you need you need bad guys to get

723
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:39,320
things done at war. But he he was very much

724
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,719
a gangster. He murdered some guy, some jeweler in Vienna,

725
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,440
and he was a wanted man. And the fact that

726
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,960
the National Socialists were at war with the Dolphus regime,

727
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:56,159
I mean, they ended up murdering him, you know Dolphus.

728
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,360
Uh that's one of the things that kind of spared

729
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:05,880
him from being held to account for it. But you

730
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,880
know he also uh he got he he got in

731
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,760
trouble for graft and he actually he got I think

732
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:18,880
he actually did time in a concentration camp for for

733
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,840
for graft and theft. And Hydrake intervened to get him

734
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:28,360
sprung because you know, he was exactly the kind of

735
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,840
man one needed for this kind of duty. But yeah,

736
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:37,000
it's really interesting and uh thanks, Uh, I don't want

737
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,760
to sell a good ghoul. But this, this stuff's really

738
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,639
in my wheelhouse, and especially because right now I'm it

739
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,320
directly tracks with the manuscript that I'm working on, so

740
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,280
it's the forefront of my mind. I saw that news

741
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,079
a bit, I shouted out some stuff about it on

742
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:55,119
social media. That's photograph, you know, and it's an upsetting photograph,

743
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:58,320
you know, And I I realized it's probably not a

744
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,719
topic a lot of people what when I get into

745
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,920
or think about over their lunch breef or something. But

746
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:08,199
what it's important, and it's it's it's it's important not

747
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:13,280
just to people who have kind of esoteric interests and revisionism,

748
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:19,480
but it's important just in general terms the understand, you know,

749
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:23,880
the the conceptual environment relating to the war and things,

750
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,119
and as it evolves.

751
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: It's also not for I mean, most people aren't even

752
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:38,039
equipped to study this because they've we the social engineering

753
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:43,719
regime has made it so that talking about this is

754
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:53,239
uncouth and you're yeah, and also people just don't because

755
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,760
of what we've been taught for so long, you know.

756
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,639
And the and the reality is of modern war being

757
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,800
basically from the sky and from drones and dropping bombs

758
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:10,400
on people. This is foreigns everybody. And also you're trying

759
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:18,440
to you're trying to project American values and you know,

760
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:23,599
whatever American values are now upon something that happened eighty

761
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:29,639
years ago, and you know, ninety years ago, that is

762
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:34,639
a completely different world than Everybody just wants to judge

763
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:39,519
something from the past through Oh, we're so much better

764
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:42,320
than that now, and you know I would say, no,

765
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,199
we're not.

766
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,679
Speaker 2: Not at all. Yeah, And that's what you know, like

767
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,440
I said, in this kind of stuff, identical stuff. Albeit

768
01:03:52,519 --> 01:04:00,199
again the the rationale within the parameters of of the

769
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,960
conflict were different, but you know, this kind of categorical

770
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:12,119
homicide was the norm. Apparently it's okay if Israel does this,

771
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,000
but you know that owing to you know, a special

772
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:22,159
special dispensation. So no, it's very it's very dishonest, you know.

773
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:25,360
And this, you know, like I said, I'm not this

774
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,760
stuff's important. That's why I I mean, I basically dedicated

775
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,519
my professional life to researching this now. And I, like

776
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,000
I said, I wasn't trying to be a shill, but

777
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:41,159
I I believe in this nasty of them writing, I

778
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:44,239
think it's important. The subject matter is not an important

779
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,440
and I appreciate giving a chance to talk about it.

780
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,559
And like I said, it was timely because that I

781
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:55,599
was fancy it too. By that facial recognition software identifying

782
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:58,599
the man in the photograph, that's that's wild.

783
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,239
Speaker 1: Well, it'd be interesting we could use that to identify

784
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,639
some people in some Russian or Ukrainian photographs from the

785
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:10,119
Bolshevik Times. And oh but I'm sorry you they get

786
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,679
a they get a pass because yeah, you know.

787
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it probably gonna be I'm

788
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:27,480
not trying to be flippant, but there's a does this

789
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,199
This is gonna make it harder for people to like

790
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,000
run from their past if they've if they've done bad

791
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:36,760
things that guy captured on video or some girl made

792
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,639
a mistake years back and did like some some squeezy

793
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:43,800
porn movie or something like. I'm not kidding this this

794
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,960
does have potential. I guess. I guess the rebuttal peoples

795
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:52,639
claim it's like deep fake or something, but it's I no,

796
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:58,400
it's it's got for historical research. That's it's tremendously useful

797
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:05,360
and it's gonna it's gonna resolve something during mysteries. Definitely.

798
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,559
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you for this, and I

799
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:12,559
encourage everybody to go over to Thomas's substack. That's real

800
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:20,400
Thomas seven seven seven dot substack dot com and to yeah,

801
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,519
what's your the website again? What's the address on the website.

802
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's Thomas seven seven seven dot com. Miss

803
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,400
number seven each on mes seven seven seven dot com.

804
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,639
It was briefly down for like twenty four hours, but

805
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:37,280
it's up again and there's my newest contents like posted

806
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,440
up there. So yeah, check out the website. And from

807
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,679
the website, you should be able to navigate to everywhere

808
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:49,480
I'm at, you know, like Instagram, social media, you know

809
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:55,719
all that stuff. And yeah, I I appreciate you hosting

810
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,079
me meam.

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Speaker 1: Oh wife, Thomas, thank you very much. Appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: S