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Speaker 1: Yes, we are going to take a break from the
Continental Philosophy series and talk about something that's in the news.
New York Post is reporting on it. I have their
article pulled up from yesterday the infamous picture from World
War Two entitled the Last jew of Anitsia. It seems
that through AI and facial recognition, they have figured out
the name of the officer from the famous picture. I
will share a screen on the picture for those who
don't who aren't familiar with the picture, well, they're familiar
with it, they just don't know exactly what I'm talking about.
So there is the picture, and it seems that the
shooter has been identified as jacobis Onen, a teacher born
in Germany in nineteen six. And Yeah, I contacted you
about this this morning, and you had made the suggestion
that we might talk about this and should lead into
some wider revelations about the war that most people either
don't know or don't realize. So I'm going to hand
it over to you, Thomas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of people don't Well, first
there was a bunch of people on I wouldn't call
it the revision astside because they're not people who are
serious into historical research. But people are sympathetic the heterotol
viewpoint saying this was a fake photo. It was not fake,
it's real. And other people are saying why would they
take photographs? Well, all kinds of reasons. If you were
an EINDSTS group commander, you filed an after action report,
this was your mandate. You need to produce a body count.
And there was also men in the field who takes
snapshots as souvenirs. Okay, people think this is outlandish. I'm
not passing judgment this one or the other. I've seen
photographs of guys in Vietnam, American soldiers literally holding up
severed hits like for fun. Okay, I mean again, I'm
not feigning moral outrage over that. But this idea that
it's somehow unheard of for photographs to be taken of
of questionable activity or the shooting of non combatants, that's
very naive. But also what's going on in that photo
is very above board. It's not the kind of thing
that was being shown in movie houses in Berlin or Hamburg.
But it was a major component of operational doctrine in theater,
and that's character is stick of modern war. I include
a whole chapter on this in my manuscript that I'm writing.
I'm not gonna try and turn this into a show
piece for my own work product, but I think it's
conceptually relevant. There's this book by Christopher Browning, who I
used to have a lot more respect for, but then
he testified against David Irving, which I thought was really grimy.
But he wrote a good book called Ordinary Men. It
was about this. It was Organum Politz Battalion one zero
one in Yolt's foul Poland I'm sure I'm butchering that pronunciation.
And they were an einsts group battalion, and he talked
to a bunch of veterans and who were pretty candid
about what went on. I made a lot of demanded anonymity,
which is understandable, but you know, I I juxtaposed Brownings
the testimony of these men and his original research with
the Senate Subcommittee hearings, among other things, on the mass
occurred in Meli four. This is something that happens in
modern war and in the twentieth century when war became,
when ideological imperatives became the causes belly of scaled conflict.
You know, the categorical annihilation of human beings became a
military imperative. That's just a fact. This is why the
Holocaust religion is bullshit. It's not because things like in
that picture didn't happen. It's because that's the face of
modern war and this idea that the Germans are the
epitome of evil and they hate Jewish people for no reason,
and this is a case of the martyrdom of an
entire race, and this is something that's never happened before.
Since That's what's a bullshit about it. Not this didn't happen,
it's the emphasis on it in the way that it's characterize,
is the centrality of it and the bigoted chauvinism of it.
That's what's problematic. You know, I'll add too. You know,
people have this idea, I think from the movies or something,
that Meli in Vietnam was the secret and then you know,
the civilian press got wind of it or something, or
some brave witness, you know, like the guys in that
uh huey Chopper who intervened you know, went public about it.
This was published in Stars and Stripes. They said, this
was a great victory. Look at this great body count
at MELI. You know, go America Division. This wasn't a secret.
That was a free fire zone. These people were fair targets.
You know, anybody in a free fire zone in Vietnam,
regardless of age, sex, overall health, they're an enemy. You
can kill them, and you're encouraged to kill them. You know,
that's not any different. I mean I'd argue that it
was a lot more in humane what the Pentagon was doing.
Contra okw no, but no, no regular army guys in
the German Army you got drafted or being ordered to
do this kind of stuff. You know, you you were,
you were asked to volunteer. And if you couldn't handle
it and you refuse to do it, no one was.
You were't getting shot, You're getting locked in prison. Your
career was over. And if you were an enlisted man,
you you you'd probably be looked at as a coward
and a punk. But no, I was getting course marceled
for this, you know. In contrast, and you literally had
some nineteen year old draft d being told you had
to waste the women, kids and oldsters in a free
fire zone. That's that's really really messed up, you know.
And I mean, I'm sure that there's gonna be patriotypes
they say, I'm like some big liberal or something we're
saying that or whatever. But that's a fact, you know.
And it's also people don't they don't really understand what
they don't really understand the third right and structurally, if
you want to understand that Ross and kreeg es. But
I mean, beyond the fact that Ross and Creek was
part of like an overall policy imperative that framed this
mass campaign that was Barbarossa, there was this weird institutional
agonism between between the army the SS. Then there was
as the Gestapo actually was the legacy of organization of
the Prussian Secret Police, and they always resented being under
the per number of the SS. So Himmler's notion was
he established the SD the cigarette fenced, which was technically
the SS's internal security force. But they had trouble establishing
a mandate because they were resented by the police and
by the intelligence apparatus, which was the OBVER, which was
horribly compromised. But that's a whole other subject contitter. So
the SD didn't really get its institutional mandate until Barbarossa.
And then when the race were kicked off in Earnest
and the RSHA was the umbrella organization and the army,
even guys who were pretty dogmatic National Socialists in the
General Officer Corps, they set an uncertain terms you're not
gonna you're not gonna involve my men in this bullshit.
You know, you're you're not gonna have my people doing
this kind of dirty work. And I don't think that's
particularly admirable. Okay, It's like, look, if we're going to war,
you're saying you're gonna wash your hands. But like these
guys got to do it because that's what's coded into
their into their mandate as policemen or whatever or you know,
as uh something less than soldiers. I take exception to that,
you know, and not just playing devil's advocate like I mean,
I actually find that objectionable. And to be clear too,
the man in that photograph he was later KIA because
a lot of Einstein's group officers and enlisted got killed
in hostile action because in addition to ethnic cleansing and
categorically uh annihilating uh Eastern Jewelry, then cleansing other racial enemies.
They they were on anti partisan duty, you know, So
these guys weren't just doing really kind of horrible things,
you know again like war as hell. What they did
is no worse and no better than what the Allies
did or their Japanese coliberance did. But uh, you know,
on top of the stress of of this kind of activity,
they were fighting this really brutal part, you know, anti
partisan war, and a lot of them were dying. You know,
so these guys weren't These guys were every bit as
much soldiers as there as their counterparts. And and they
here and the assess and uh. This also plays under
the fact there's this mythology and people have this idea
again a plant used. You know, they claim, oh, the
Nazis were evil because they, like Hitler wanted to quote
like wipe out all Slavs or something like. There was
as a de jure, there was no category of slav
in the Third Reich. You know, there were another Nuremberg Codes. Obviously,
Jews are stripped of all political and civil rights beyond that,
you know, uh, non Jewish Auslanders were treated like anybody else,
assuming you they weren't derived of a population that was
an enemy of the Reich like you know, and there
was a race war under way between the Germans and
the Poles, and despite you know, I I've we've recorded
Kanya on this, the Poles were ethnically cleansing Germans, Jews,
Ruthenians and anybody else they didn't like, and they were
particularly singling out Germans. They slaughtered something like thirteen thousand
of them. You know, this was the cause of belly
of the nineteen thirty nine war. Okay, So this idea
that one day Adolf Hitler or Rhynodhydrich or you know,
Hans Frank just like randomly decided he hated Slavs, that's asadine.
You know, it's such that such that that was like
a real prejudice. Hitler was a habspurg of Austrian. I mean, granted, yeah,
he in a of ways he thought like a Prussian
in terms of his historical sensibility and things. But you know,
it wasn't it wasn't Austrians and Bavarians who who had
this uh kind of enduring prejudice against the Poles. I
mean that was like a that was a Prussian thing,
you know, So it's uh, but you know, the entire
rays on detra national socialism aside, I mean in power
political terms, you know, the internal situation and trying to
curate cultural palagenesis and all, you know, negotiate the future
shock of modernity. I mean, yeah, obviously that is that
was essential aspects of the constellation of values and conceptual
factors that made a mass socialism. But the grand historical
mission and national socialism was for Europe to survive, it
had to become a superpower, you know, and it had
to consolidate and unite. And Europe's an indefensible peninsula. It's
this tiny little sliver basically on this giant land mass
of Eurasia. And the view of people like Hitler, of
people like Rosenberg, of people like max On shooting the Richter,
you know, the Altconfert who died in you know, a munit.
This was actually pretty conventional geopolitics geopolitical theory, and the
understanding was that the heartland of Indo Europeans or i
mean the Aryan race if you want to be less
delicate about it, you know, was the Cacusus, which is true,
and out from that world island, you know, civilizations spread,
you know, carried by these Bronze Age conquers. Over time,
though the Barbarian East and particularly the Mongols pushed everybody
out to the periphery, including the White Race, and thus
you had Europe. You know, that's basically the Garrison peninsula
where Europe fought off the Orient. You know, but it's
been fighting this desperate kind of rear guard action, position
of vulnerability for a millennia. That's why one of my
very favorite books is The History of the Mongols by
Michael Proudon That was that was required reading at the
ss Junker Su and Yak and Piper. He wrote his UH,
he wrote his thesis to graduate on the doctrine of Yasa.
Yasa was the oral law the Mongols. It was and
it was it was. It was very much completed and
the complexity of it was uh was curated under Genghis Khan.
It's one part military doctrine, it's one part moral law.
It's one part you know, a statement of the rights
between the casts within Mongol society. It's and it's fascinating
because this was all this was all part of an
oral tradition. So any Mongol warrior, like any man who
had full status owing to his capacity to bear arms
and ride as a horseman, he had he had memorized
this the entire body of Mongol law essentially. But Piper
wrote about Yasa because any SS officer candidate, he was
inculcated with a deep understanding of the Mongol Empire and
the Mongols as a people for two reasons. The similar said,
the reason we are here in Europe is because of
the empire created by these people, which was the biggest
empire the world has ever known. And in Himmler's estimation,
the Mongols were the greatest martial race that ever existed.
And essentially, you know the role of an SS officer
is going to be the lead European manhood against the
descendants of the step Mongols to reconquer what was the
Indo European homeland. And to do that, not only does
European manhood and the new warrior yalomen re which is
going to leave the SS that not only do they
need to understand the kind of ancient heritage related to
the soil that is being reconquered, but to fight in
that environment that to fight a total race war, you've
got to understand the what animated warrior races like the
Mongols and the European man has to come to emulate
that and curate that tendency within himself. So the idea
was as when Czechoslovakia fell apart, and make no mistake,
it did fall apart. You know, I was writing some
short from the other day, this idea that Hitler was
some sorcerer who could make Czechoslovakia failed state or through
Legard mean to see everybody into appeasing him. I mean
that that's that's an infantile way of looking at human affairs,
vaguely power political ones. But you know, Bennett Hitler had
a particular acts to grind with Bennie, who was a real,
very perfect and weasel like individual. But you know, when
Slovakia succeeded, that was the nail in the coffin of
the contrivance of Czechoslovakia. And of course Slovakia was a
very close ally of the Reich, you know, and they
they were very much part of the Axis alliance. But
you know, historically there's no love loss between the Czechs
and the Germans, as uh, as a Bohemia and Moravia
were incorporated into the Greater German Reich, and the Czechs
of the rump Czechoslovakia were incorporated into the Greater German Reich.
Himmler UH wanted to implement what he viewed as h
this kind of resettlement program of ethnically cleansing the Czechs
and then settling SS officers there and providing them with,
you know, fiefdoms within the rich agricultural area contained within
the protector. Hitler had talked about deporting at least six
million Czechs to UH the eastern hinterland subsequent you know,
obviously when like war was underway. And but the problem
was that the Skota Arms Works, which was a rival
to Krupp in terms of its quality and its productive
potential and des by what a lot of people think
the German armament's industry, it was very localized and almost
uh and very much you know, the production the fixed
capital was in the form of a like a shop
set up almost that there weren't giant factories. So the
Germans needed the scot To arms Works, and they needed
the checks that were working there, and uh, you know,
fighting a race war with the vestigial chess check population
and then deporting the people who man this facility. I
mean that would have been a non starter.
Speaker 1: But can I can I interrupt you? Okay, Well, a
couple of things. One question I wanted to ask is
when did how early and when was his decision made
the realization that in the in the National Socialist Cadre
that they were in a race war. And can you
when most people think race war, they think people who
look blacks against whites, and they think inter European doesn't
sound like a race war to them. So can you
address both of those?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I, I mean it was coded into Hitler said
as early and I was getting that. Hitler said as
early as nineteen twenty five. And it's one of the
few things that's worthwhile. In mine Kanf he said that
the Germany needs to look eastward because capturing that continental
land mass, the world island, is what is going to
make Europe a superpower. And it's it's a fool's error
to try and play the game of colonies or to
you know, try to expand west. And also, you know, Hitler,
like every other European of the time, you know, he
he viewed the Westphalian consensus as a moral imperative. You know,
you don't. You're not gonna ethnically cleanse France and capture
as Laban's wrong. Obviously, why do the Germans view Slavs
and Jews is a different race? Because they were like
this idea, this idea that race is group anatomy. Nobody
thinks that way about Americans, you know. And if you
look at, uh, the Russians as a people, they they've
got a totally different lineage, they write in a different alphabet.
They they've got a totally different heritage. Russia is an
incredibly rac like ethnically and racially diverse place, you know,
and it always has been, you know, the uh, the
German view of race, and I've written about this, everything
was biologically coded. Then that's the way everybody thought about things.
Is this like materialist, reductionist perspective. You know, America thought
that way, in France and the UK, in Japan, like
everybody thought that way. So that's why the Germans talk
about you know, this biological criteria determining ethnotics or whatever.
I mean that that's why it's because that was the zeitgeist.
But nobody nobody in Europe viewed uh Eastern Orthodox people
from uh the step as white people. And even if
they were, it's like they you know, they wouldn't even
a register. But they're okay, great, they're white people. They're
still a different race, and there are our enemy, you know.
And like I said, the whole it's coded fear of
the East is coded into was coded into Europeans. And
for a good reason, you know, I highly recommend Praudence book.
Like I said, if people want to understand this, they
should read it. It's not an accident. It became essential
reading in the era, you know. And it's I've probably
got a bias for traditional anthropology because that is just
more complete, you know. And uh and aside from that,
I mean, it's not the population genetics is basically validating
these observations and the kind of mapping of these things
based on cultural ephemera and and ethno linguistic patterns and
things of behavior and and cultural production and and things
like that. But I mean that that's that's why, and
it uh, but it's also too I mean, people had
to you know, and uh, you know, the Soviet Union especially,
I mean, adding to the alienage of it. This was
essentially an uprising such that there was a European character
to the Russian Empire, and there was in terms of
its leadership cast. You know. That's that's what Peter the Great,
you know, his whole ambition was to European eyes in Russia,
and uh, in a lot of ways, uh, the uprising
that created the Soviet Union, once the Bolshemk cadres were
able to kick off the megacitl you know, activity of
the body politic, it basically was a way of wiping
out the European element that was viewed, not incorrectly as
kind of an overcast. So there's that too, you know.
And the Soviets are animated by this aggressive military doctrine
of proletarian revolution. And they openly stated they're not bound
by the Geneva Convention. They don't recognize international law as
defined and permissively implemented by the capitalists, you know, they
they they they categorically removed themselves from the European moral Consensus,
even had they been party to it previously, and I
don't think they were. So it's all of those reasons.
But the test case, if you will, for what became
racial policy in the east. It started in Bohemia Moravia,
and then the Polish general government enter Hans Frank because
you know, Poland had to be UH. Poland was slated
for annihilation, not just owing to you know, convenience of
geopolitics and you know, and imperatives they're in, but also
because there was there was genuine ethnic hatred in between
the polls and the Germans, you know, and uh Hitler
wanted to punish the polls. There's a deliberate violence behind
and it went beyond the fact that you know, settlement
to the Danzig Corridor and the fortification of it, you know,
and and made the mistake like when when the Reich
invaded the the people at Danzig rose up, and you know,
they they viewed themselves almost like almost like Woide Zimbabwe did,
as this beleaguered UH population that you know was hated
by this super majority and that was always at risk
of it being ethnically Clinton. So you know, there was
that too. And and these people obviously, you know, they
a lot of them were like very art national socialists,
you know, when they're they're like okay, it's on, you know,
We're we're gonna reclaim We're gonna reclaim this land for
the Reich, and you know, we're gonna punish these people
who in their era against you know, thought that they could,
uh thought that they could ethnically cleanse our people from
their midst you know. So it became what it became,
what the what the foreign ministry, the military, uh, the
right chancery came referred to as a territorial policy, you know,
and that was exclusive to the East. In a nineteen
twenty eight in talking about you know, future racial warfare,
you know, Hitler said, rather, they're gonna have to, you know,
in a war of conquest, We're either going to have
to sterilize foreign elements to ensure that they can't contemn,
you know, continually adulterate the conquering element, which is us,
or quote removing them all together and uh makeover to
its own people the land thereby released, and which is
exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: And so how how uncommon a an attitude was that
towards the enemy at the at the time, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, it was very common. And like I said, the
polls were the Poles were ethnically cleansing the Germans, not
just on the frontier, but you know, the anywhere anywhere.
They were found in appreciable numbers, and you know, thousands
were killed, you know, and really and horrible stuff happened,
you know, on a par with the kind of stuff
that happened on the Eastern Front, you know later between
the Russians and the Germans, you know, the when the
when the Wehrmacht uh across the frontier, you know, and uh,
this is documented. You know they found, uh, they found
people with nails driven into their eyes, guys who'd have
been severely tortured and uh, they had their genitals cut
off and stuffed in their mouth. I mean, like like
horrifying stuff. I don't get me wrong. I mean the
Germans returned to serve like like like massively and killed
a lot of people. But you know, the Poles are
doing barbaric stuff. You know, this isn't and Polands were
all about this crazy military junta. You know, it's like
Ukraine one. Oh, it's like there's this crazy junta. It's
whacking Jews, it's technically cleansing Germans. It's uh, it's technically
cleansing Ruthenians and Hungarians and and anybody. They just don't like,
you know, they then they got then they got this
totally deranged, senile you know, war guarantee from the UK,
so that they didn't bold them even further to do
crazy things. You know, this wasn't people are acting like
Poland was somehow like Sweden and of the of the
of the East or something. It's like this. This was
a totally out of control state that was behaving as
a as a as a rogue government. You know, it's not.
Speaker 1: Uh, Russia and the Russian Czars had a history of
dealing with this percent years.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also I mean people say too, it's you
know the reason why stalin Uh. I mean, it was twofold. Obviously,
the the Reich didn't want to open a general war
up of the Soviet Union. So when when ribent Troup approached,
you know, it's counterpart in Molotov, you know, the Russians.
The Russians their pretexts and I'm gonna it wasn't really pretextual.
It was they were they were looking to defend their
own people in the East because the Poles a doing
the same thing to the Russians, you know, I mean,
it's not this idea that Poland was this great place
full of peace loving progressive people who were marvelous neighbors.
And they had this incredible progressive society with a normal
democratic government. And so that's why the Soviet Union and
the German Reich just invaded them for no reason. You know.
It's and I mean for context too, and I don't
want to I don't want to derail this into a
discussion of the of September nineteen thirty nine. But the
Reich offered the Polish hunta unconditional They say, look, we
make no demands other than we want some kind of
dedicated access route to Danzig, you know, and we we
want some sort of you know, mutual defense agreement you know,
contra the Soviet Union, because we don't coordinate deployment patterns
an event of a threat, you know, we're both at risk,
you know. And and uh, the Polish response to that
was to start ethnically cleansing the German population. Uh. You know,
for all private persons declare that they they it wasn't
incumbent on them to negotiate with anybody, you know, like
I said, it's like Ukraine one point zero, you know,
it's you're met with grunts, threats and obscenities when when
you when you try and talk to talk to people
like like men, you know, And I'm not and I'm
not saying you're saying, I think it was cool or
a good thing that Poland was a pro all bregal
purposes annihilated by the German, right, But I mean that's that,
that's race war and the if the stakes. And to
be clear too, what the this. I mean you could
argue that this is categorically arbitrary, but Aryan elements in
Poland were treated like any other Europeans, you know, or
and obviously you know a lot of people were bilingual
or multi lingual. Clearly people could physically pass as you know,
European and we're willing to speak German. You know, kind
of got along, okay, But you know, the reality is, uh,
I'm not suggesting people need to look positively on this
or something, but you know, in context, that was a
situation where a basic callousness and brutality was characteristic of
decision making. But also too, I mean again the I
think the point of people again and again you know
one of you know, the nbah, you know Croatia. First
of all, I mean the Germans and the Croats are
always thick as thieves. I mean they always have been.
They were in the Thirty Years War, you know, Helmet
Cole immediately recognized Tutmont's independence and ninety one. You know,
the Proocs are very Slovic and who are the only
people who were not just formally assimilated into the Wehrmacht,
but they were the only non German elements constituting the
lead assault group at Stalingrad. It was a bunch of Croatians,
you know. So it's like, so the Germans hated Slavs,
yet you know they they were treating the Croats as
you know, not as fellow national socialists, but you know,
they're racial brothers in arms, you know. It's you know,
the Slovaks too were very uh you know, uh, Hitler
had great respect for Tisso and there was a basic
affinity between the Slovak uh clerical fascist state in Germany.
Oh Dilio Glibach that cool get into in a minute,
because he played an important role in in the territorial
policy of the SD. He was he was a Balkan Slav,
you know, I mean, there ain't no Germans named Adlio
Globatchnik and he was the equivalent of a He was
the equivalent of a of a full kernel in the SS.
You know, I mean I it's examples are legion. You know,
it's there wasn't a you know again. But the main
thing is, like I said, there was there was no
category jujury of slav That that's not really it's a
cultural and linguistic category. But it ended of itself. It's
not it's not it's not a it's not a racial
designation anyway, nor is it viewed that way in those days.
But the big if you want to put a date
and then forgive me, that was very much a digression.
If you want to put a date on when was
Ross and Kree against policy formalized. The over Salzburg meeting
on always twenty second, ninety thirty nine. This is when
it became clear that war with Poland wasn't outible. Hitler
called a meeting. He summoned a bunch of elements from
ok W, as well as Himmler and some of the
higher SS leaders and von Bach theedor von Bach was
a feldmarshal. He said that Hitler openly stated that the
coming war, the things are going to be done of
which German generals would not approve, you know, And he said, therefore,
I'm not going to burden the army with necessary liquidations.
And it's also you know, like I said, the Himmler
was an old fighter and Hitler respected him, and he
wanted to kind of test the apparatus. Hitler was presiding
over in the into in a territorial policy that was
being curated, and Himler was ominous as the task was
was more than happy to abide it because it gave
him this tremendous mandate, you know. And this this is
the birth of the eset scrup And that's when Hitler
literally gave Himler the task of forming the inset scruping.
Not to be clear, because this becomes an issue of controversy,
and this is actually this, this really was at the
core of the Irving trial. Irving's claim and I accept this.
Irving's claim is that there was no fear order that
ordered the final solution. There was no mass conspiracy from
the top down to exterminate European jewry that was being
managed and directed by Hitler. That should be obvious. Like
to claim otherwise, that's like saying that Lyndon Johnson ordered
the Meli massacre, and he was pouring over body count
reports and demanding to know, you know what what the
ratio was in free fire zones and Vietnam. That's just
not how executive power works in the modern state, you know,
incident to a territorial policy, obviously you're going to need
elements that deal in very bloody and grim things like
ethnic cleansing and like antipartisan duty, which honestly, there's this
gray area between what constitutes the antipartisan duty and what
is just ethnic cleansing. Okay, this isn't semantics or word games.
This is a fact and the earliest iteration of what
became the Einsets group. And during the in the anslus
Hydrich deployed with order police and SD elements that have
been design formerly designated Saunder Commandos literally Special Detachment Elements,
and UH they went into Austria to basically protect the
rear echelons and uh handle constabulary duty with an eye
for deep security, you know, communists and uh Jewish agitators
and other people who were you know, axiomatically opposed to
the Reich. And UH, the Sunda Commandos deployed again when
Czechoslovakia fractured, and you know, the protectorate was declared and
and the Wehrmacht moved in to the Czech rump state.
But once once the immediate task at hand was over,
they'd kind of been like reabsorbed into this like subordinate
element accountable to the Gestapo and the the SD generally.
So it was the over Salzburg meeting in August thirty
nine that was the birth of the Eindsets group in
formal terms, and that is we're talking about ethnic cleansing
and ross and Kreeg and the territorial policy. The other important,
the other important event and date is October forty three.
The posts and speeches where Himler openly he doesn't dwell
on it, but he talks about, you know, the conics
of territorial policy. He assembled higher s asent police leaders.
He says, we're talking about the annihilation of the Jewish people.
He openly says that, you know, and people can argue
semantics with me on that. But I like, again, why,
I don't know why people who identify as revisionists try
and take this kind of perspective of none of this happened.
That's silly, and it's also it's not the issue, you know,
it's the issue is this is characteristic of modern war
and it doesn't represent some rarified evil or something. And
foundationally too, it's not an accident, I mean nineteen thirty
nine obviously something we haven't addressed in discreet terms yet.
We've been talking about the territorial policy and the ross
and creed between you know, the Eastern Slavs and the Germans.
We haven't specifically talked about, you know, the ethnic cleansing
of of the Eastern European Jews. The UH I mean
obviously coded international socialists ethics. You know, it is the
understanding that Jews are the enemy in existential ontological terms.
But it was in January nineteen thirty nine, that's when
it Hitler issued the speech before the reichs Thug, so
eight months before your Salzburg meeting. That's when he said,
quote today, I'm going to once again be a prophet.
If the international finance Jewelry, If international finance Jewry inside
and outside of Europe manages once more to precipitate the
world into war, the outcome will not be the bolshivization
of the Earth and the consequent triumph of Jewry, but
the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe. End quote.
Now this was when this was in response to according
to most people who know the lower immediately prior Heim Weisman,
who was an essential figure, a key figure, and what
became the focus. He'd written a letter in Evil Chamberlain
promising that all Jews everywhere stood with the UK and
on the side of anybody who fought the Third Reich.
And the Times public that letter, and that's the source
of that headline. You know, world Jewelry declares war against
the German Reich. So that's the context. And January nineteen
forty two, and Hitler referred to that Weisman's statement on
more than one occasion, and then January thirtieth, nineteen forty two.
I don't accept the vance conference narrative. We can talk
that at some point. Why I I think it. It
was part of the narrative aspect of the case in
chief for specific intent homicide. So it was a and
if you know anything about the way prosecuting author structure cases,
it's based on narrative. So I don't accept that. But
it is clear the Einstins groupmen became active in earnest
In the opening weeks and months of nineteen forty two,
and it was January forty two he said, for the
first time, we're implementing ancient Jewish law, eye for an eye,
tooth for tooth, you know, against the tribe. Obviously, the
you know, the intended sentiment being the Jews started this
war and so now they're reaping the whirlwind, and they
they're waging a racial war on Europe. We are waging
a racial war against them. In kind, I place a
lot of emphasis on direct testimony and declarations of key personages,
I mean, whatever the subject matter is, probably because my
background in part is in the law, but the essential
understanding the perspective of the fear, and particularly because this
is an issue that specifically put in controversy, you know,
about not just executive intent, but the degree to which
policy was being driven by individual decisions, you know, and
obviously no decisions of a political sort in war and
peace especially or rendered in isolation. So this is it
wasn't just an afterthought or you know, Hitler taking the
kind of rhetoric that was common to people like Carl
Luger and just implementing it at scale because he was
crazy your head, some sort of homicidal prejudice. It was
very it was inextricably bound up with I mean, don't
get me wrong, like the fact that there was this
racial war going on in the East. That absolutely is
a brutalizing effect. And once you cross that threshold, you
can't not only can you not go back from it,
but it also changes things, you know. And this is
also someone that became clear. You know that the Allies
intended to destroy Germany, you know, and it's okay, this
is an existential fight, and you know, the Jews have
openly declared war on us. And to be clear too,
whether you accept this or not, I mean not you personally,
I mean whether anybody accept this or not. Not just
Adolf Hitler, but the entirety of the German Reich leadership
class really their military element. They viewed the world Jewish
population as a combatant actor. The fact that there wasn't
a Jewish national state, it didn't matter, you know. They
viewed him as a party combatant to hostilities. You know.
So if you're going to burn our cities to the
ground and set fifty thousand women, kids and old people
on fire when we find you in Belarus, we're going
to kill all of you and kick you into a ditch.
I mean that was the you know that that's pretty
awful stuff, but you know that was the mindset. That's
the reality. You know, this stuff wasn't just spontaneous, and
you know it's also and it's convoluted too because speaking
of uh, like speaking of Globok or Paul Global actually
but uh, you know Global, it was claimed he was
responsible for the Bobby r massacre, like what was claimed
that the casualties claimed at Bobby are That's literally not possible,
you know, So, I mean there's all this you got
to wade through this bullshit too gross, the exaggerator just
crazy claims. So then that further convolutes the issue, and
that also encourages people to doubt the entirety of what happened,
you know, and things like that. So I thin I
wanted to mention uh, the low guy of that photograph
to bring it back the uh, the Lublin district in
the East, Glibashnik, Heidrich and Himmler himself, they had an
idea of creating German settlements in what was formerly Poland
in Ukraine and then ultimately you know, uh, Russia proper
you know, they wanted to create these settlement areas where
s S men would be given a life fiefdom, like
a life estate, and uh, you know they they'd be
this kind of warrior yaloe memory like the opponent, like
the fact m Rhyan, but of the Eastern frontier, you know,
and they'd they'd be this professional warrior element. But you know,
they'd also preside over these big agrarian of states and
that would be the breadbasket of you know, Western Europe
and uh Veninsia. There's this qua quadrilateral sort of territory
bounded by Lublin, Zytomir, Veninsia, and Levov. Each was a
special or a special each was There's a lot of
s S activity in particularly Einst's group and activity in
each of those low Guy and Lublin specifically. That was
the Glibashnik's headquarters. The reichs here s S. Himmler his
command h Q was at Zomir and uh during the
first phase of first phase of Barbarossa. As the Wehrmacht
made rapid advance, there was a settlement center that Hitler
set up for German Ukrainians, you know, to basically corral
the Ukrainian folks Deutsch and give them first choice on
where they wanted to live, and you know, try and
curate a vanguard population of Volkstutsch, you know, as the
hostilities r under way, to beef up security in the
rear areas. But also, you know, the Germans realized they
were racing the clock even if NBCY it get been realized.
In you know, December forty one, Carl Wolf wrote about this.
You know, who was SS atjuctant to Hitler. It was
just an interesting guy and he he is I if
you come across interviews, one of which from around nineteen
eighty one was really fascinating. But he he said some
interesting stuff and he uh he made the point that
you know, everybody in the control element around the fere
and he was in a position to know because I
mean he was literally the SS adjectant to the theory
realized we were racing the clock, you know. And that's
one of the reasons why the the R s h
A and the s D in the Aisis group and
became so active, you know. The uh but yeah, the
they kind of polish up the Polish Ukrainian frontier for
ethnic reasons, for geostrategic reasons, for reasons that arable land,
and because historically that was the heartland of folks Deutsche
in the east. You know that this this all magnified
the significance of this area. So that's that's part of
it too. And Glibosh makes an interesting figure. He was
a bad guy like he uh. I mean I mean
that I'm not being judgemental in some petty stupid way.
I mean, you need you need bad guys to get
things done at war. But he he was very much
a gangster. He murdered some guy, some jeweler in Vienna,
and he was a wanted man. And the fact that
the National Socialists were at war with the Dolphus regime,
I mean, they ended up murdering him, you know Dolphus.
Uh that's one of the things that kind of spared
him from being held to account for it. But you
know he also uh he got he he got in
trouble for graft and he actually he got I think
he actually did time in a concentration camp for for
for graft and theft. And Hydrake intervened to get him
sprung because you know, he was exactly the kind of
man one needed for this kind of duty. But yeah,
it's really interesting and uh thanks, Uh, I don't want
to sell a good ghoul. But this, this stuff's really
in my wheelhouse, and especially because right now I'm it
directly tracks with the manuscript that I'm working on, so
it's the forefront of my mind. I saw that news
a bit, I shouted out some stuff about it on
social media. That's photograph, you know, and it's an upsetting photograph,
you know, And I I realized it's probably not a
topic a lot of people what when I get into
or think about over their lunch breef or something. But
what it's important, and it's it's it's it's important not
just to people who have kind of esoteric interests and revisionism,
but it's important just in general terms the understand, you know,
the the conceptual environment relating to the war and things,
and as it evolves.
Speaker 1: It's also not for I mean, most people aren't even
equipped to study this because they've we the social engineering
regime has made it so that talking about this is
uncouth and you're yeah, and also people just don't because
of what we've been taught for so long, you know.
And the and the reality is of modern war being
basically from the sky and from drones and dropping bombs
on people. This is foreigns everybody. And also you're trying
to you're trying to project American values and you know,
whatever American values are now upon something that happened eighty
years ago, and you know, ninety years ago, that is
a completely different world than Everybody just wants to judge
something from the past through Oh, we're so much better
than that now, and you know I would say, no,
we're not.
Speaker 2: Not at all. Yeah, And that's what you know, like
I said, in this kind of stuff, identical stuff. Albeit
again the the rationale within the parameters of of the
conflict were different, but you know, this kind of categorical
homicide was the norm. Apparently it's okay if Israel does this,
but you know that owing to you know, a special
special dispensation. So no, it's very it's very dishonest, you know.
And this, you know, like I said, I'm not this
stuff's important. That's why I I mean, I basically dedicated
my professional life to researching this now. And I, like
I said, I wasn't trying to be a shill, but
I I believe in this nasty of them writing, I
think it's important. The subject matter is not an important
and I appreciate giving a chance to talk about it.
And like I said, it was timely because that I
was fancy it too. By that facial recognition software identifying
the man in the photograph, that's that's wild.
Speaker 1: Well, it'd be interesting we could use that to identify
some people in some Russian or Ukrainian photographs from the
Bolshevik Times. And oh but I'm sorry you they get
a they get a pass because yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it probably gonna be I'm
not trying to be flippant, but there's a does this
This is gonna make it harder for people to like
run from their past if they've if they've done bad
things that guy captured on video or some girl made
a mistake years back and did like some some squeezy
porn movie or something like. I'm not kidding this this
does have potential. I guess. I guess the rebuttal peoples
claim it's like deep fake or something, but it's I no,
it's it's got for historical research. That's it's tremendously useful
and it's gonna it's gonna resolve something during mysteries. Definitely.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you for this, and I
encourage everybody to go over to Thomas's substack. That's real
Thomas seven seven seven dot substack dot com and to yeah,
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Speaker 2: It's uh, it's Thomas seven seven seven dot com. Miss
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It was briefly down for like twenty four hours, but
it's up again and there's my newest contents like posted
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the website, you should be able to navigate to everywhere
I'm at, you know, like Instagram, social media, you know
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Speaker 1: Oh wife, Thomas, thank you very much. Appreciate you.
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