Speaker 1: John Murray joins us now as we go behind the counter,
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out at wager talk dot com. John, what's going on?
We talked a lot of about the Aces come back
here last night. I know you guys had it on
here at the super Book and the Aces were a
pretty solid favorite run around eight eight and a half. Right,
what kind of action were you guys taking there?
Speaker 2: We needed them last night because we had we were
we were a loser on the other side in the
series price we were, we were dead, we were dead rights.
So we definitely needed the Aces last night. Plus I
think it's just good for business. The further they go
in the playoffs, I think it's good for business. So
very happy with that result.
Speaker 1: All right, that makes three of us then for all
different reasons.
Speaker 3: My results, Marcos reasons. I was I was done in
the third quarter. I had my player props cash two
my two plays in the third quarter.
Speaker 4: So what'd you do for for that?
Speaker 3: Sweated the sweated the ass to get the win because
I didn't want the season then of course I'm having
too much fun.
Speaker 1: Of course only turned his attention over to Buffalo or Miami.
He was sweating them out.
Speaker 2: I earn a rumor at TC that he was watching
the NFL game.
Speaker 4: I can't you believe this guy's shameful? Is that even legal?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's john. It's an elimination game, right, it's
a playoff game. What about the people sitting next to him,
including his wife?
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, it's bad luck that game. The
Thursday night games are on Amazon Prime. Trust me, I've
spent enough money. Well I should say my wife spends
enough money on Amazon with the deliveries every day. I
got to use my my app and get my free
subscription to Prime and yes, the game.
Speaker 4: You're getting your money back and see that. Yeah, I
could see that.
Speaker 2: Your wife probably saved me a lot of money on
Amazon though, versus going to the mall store.
Speaker 4: So really, who's.
Speaker 3: I called bs to her when she tries to say
that too.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I used to try to not order
so much stuf fun Amazon and then like no matter
what it was, especially like the dog food I get
from my dogs, just like, well, it's actually cheaper on
Amazon and it's delivered to me by the time I
get home from work, So I'll stick with that.
Speaker 1: Marco can't buy a you know, country concert tickets on Amazon,
you know, for his wife, so he spends a lot
of money with that. There.
Speaker 3: You need to book some more country acts so I
can hit you up for Compson.
Speaker 4: I'll make sure I share that information marketing too.
Speaker 1: And when you do that to me, don't mention that
he's part of the TC Martin show.
Speaker 4: Just say you know he's I have no idea who.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're you know, Kelly's Fred exactly. Put that
on the.
Speaker 3: Right to the top.
Speaker 2: Kelly in Vegas, she was. She was a bit of
a nervous Nelly last night during that Buffalo game. She
had Bills and Survivor. I had Bills and Circus Survivor.
So I was happy to see the Bills win. But
wasn't an easy win.
Speaker 4: It was not. It wasn't like they won that game
going way. I think that's a misleading final.
Speaker 1: So hold on, now, I remember last year it was
like it was a we you know, a wee ticket
a week a combination of the Survivor. You're saying she had,
you had, she had did you guys get a divorce
from the Survivors Survivor divorce.
Speaker 2: She's taking the same approach. I said it like that,
because she's taking the same approach. Now two weeks in
a row. She's in all these Survivor contests, and one
of them I am with her. But she's in the
one here at the West Gate, the five K, which
obviously I'm not in, and she's in some on Splash Sports,
which is a sponsor.
Speaker 4: Of the show I do with her.
Speaker 2: And she just went across the board bills across, just
like last week. She was across the board on No
No Week one, she was across the board on some
team Denver, Denver against Yeah. And so when I say
when I say, I this entry that I had the
bills on was in the Circus Survivor contest.
Speaker 4: Kelly is not my partner on that.
Speaker 1: Entry, but I was.
Speaker 2: I was rooting for my own interests on the bills,
and I didn't think it was an easy one. I'll
say that, you know, when you play a chip as
big as Buffalo, and I think Buffalo is one of
the three best teams in the league. When you play
a ship as big as Buffalo, you're kind of expecting
it to be a rocking chair winner, like if you
used Baltimore last week against Cleveland.
Speaker 4: You know, that's kind of what you're expecting when you
do that.
Speaker 2: Because Buffalo is going to be a bigger favorite next
Sunday than they were last night, and there'll be a
big favorite the following week as well.
Speaker 4: They're at home against New England, so that's a big
chip to play.
Speaker 1: I could see as bad as Miami is just the
record wise and just from a function standpoint, you know,
from top to bottom, the organization and everything that's going on,
that I could see against a division opponent the way
you know it was last night that you probably got
a lot of Miami money, you know in last night
because that number at eleven and a half, I mean
it is a divisional opponent, it was a Thursday night game.
I think that's kind of high.
Speaker 2: And there were definitely sharp grew taking twelve and a
half and twelve we were at yesterday morning, we were
at plus twelve minus one oh five because remember we
deal the Thursday games minus one oh five, and we
took some money at plus twelve minus one oh five
from price sensitive type players and it made sense. And
if you watch the game, which unfortunately I watched the
entire thing, the Dolphins receivers, you can't guard those guys
one on one, and Buffalo had some key guys out
in the secondary. They just had some key guys out defensively.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 2: No Oliver in that game last night, so Miami certainly
gave a scare until that two interception and then the
big play, though Marco was the was the roughing the
punter that extended Buffalo's drive, which ended up being the
decisive score.
Speaker 4: I would have said that.
Speaker 2: Was running into the kicker, not roughing, but I mean,
obviously it was a penalty, no doubt.
Speaker 4: But I was as a Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Survivor player, I was pleased when they said roughing the kicker.
I thought that was borderline.
Speaker 3: I realized that, you know, the double digits using Buffalo
at home or you know, for Survivor. For me personally,
I I'm not in any of the Survivor contest. I
don't like that. And ironically for me because my whole
life I've been geared to point spreads. I do horribly
when you do something where you're just picking the winners,
I don't. I just can't do it. But I would
not want to have a Thursday night game you're working
with a short week and have it be a division game.
That's just I wouldn't want to be.
Speaker 2: Involved in you that makes sense, I know, I definitely,
I definitely can see that. And I think with the
Survivor contests, especially the Circle one, that should be treated
as entertainment. Yeah, there's eighteen thousand people in that, you're
not gonna win, you know.
Speaker 1: But you're still putting up how much money for an
entry fee?
Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's purely entertainment.
Speaker 3: But the beauty of it is though, yeah, there's only
going to be one person or maybe two people split
whatever at the end. But you can get yourself in
a position if you're still live and there's only you know,
you get to say week fourteen, and you're less than
one hundred people live, there are people that will sell
sell it and take the profit. And in that instance
where you know you're doing game theory, you're doing game
theory all the way to get to keep surviving. But
if you want to try to turn your entry into
money before the end, you also got to have some
decent teams left by the resume so that you know
you can continue to survive, or if you try to
sell it, you know you could have two guys that are,
you know, both in the rentry. One's going to be
worth more. I know what the actual dollar figure is
if you divide it out, but if you still have
two or three big name teams left late in the season,
your entry's worth a lot more money than somebody else
that burned through all the obvious choices.
Speaker 2: If your plan is to try to sell your entry,
you don't use Buffalo last night, Yeah right, you hang
on to Buffalo the one The one thing that does
bring Buffalo's value down a little bit though, is they
don't play on either of the holiday games. They don't
play Thanksgiving week or Christmas week. That does bring their
value down. But like I said, I think they're one
of the three best teams in the league. I think
you've got Baltimore and then I think you've got Buffalo
and Philadelphia just below Baltimore. I know that sounds funny
because Buffalo beat Baltimore, but I do think Baltimore, right, yeah,
I think Baltimore's the best team in the NFL, and
I think Philadelphia, although they are the worst watch in
the NFL. They are a terrible watch. I do think
they're the best team in the NFC, and I would
put them just just a notch below the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Buffalo put in on a scoring display, you know, forty
one points, thirty points, thirty one points always good for
the over. So two of the three games cash over
tickets as well too. And just you know, when you
talk about the survivor thing and to your point, Mark,
how you just broke it down. One of our loyal listeners,
you know, four years ago, got the big money. He
was part of a four way winner. They had four
contestants and he had had that strategy come in to
play there at the end, it's like, okay, you know,
do you do you? You know, buy back? How do
you how do you play this and that? And so yeah,
it's it's tough contest, but yeah, I mean you have
you win one of those that this guy won, you know,
and got a piece of that pie. You're set for
quite a while the rest of my career. And the
follow up story is the very next year, he purchased
thirty entries and was done with all thirty entries by
week three. Fourth True story.
Speaker 3: Wow, Well he went out with the Cincinnati in the
first week exactly.
Speaker 2: Most of what makes it why I say you should
treat it for entertainment purposes, is there are syndicates that
are buying let's say dozens of entries, but probably more
than that, and they're playing all these different scenarios, and
most likely they're doing it with the intentive looking to
sell somewhere along the line one of the ones that
has all the good teams left it just all the
different combinations. So I think it's a fascinating thing to
be a part of. I don't expect to get rich
off at TC, and that's the keep working here at
the West and that's the.
Speaker 1: Great attitude to have. We don't want you to go anywhere,
John so Well, I.
Speaker 4: Probably won't because I gotta pick seventeen more winters. I'd
probably be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you hung, you hung deep last year.
Speaker 2: You did Kelly and I I know everything's about Kelly, but.
Speaker 1: We got the wee tickets back.
Speaker 4: We got to Thanksgiving one year.
Speaker 2: That was one that was me and her was in
my name obviously because I'm out here, but it was
me and her from the start. Five hundred bucks each
and we got the Thanksgiving Day and it was it
was very fun.
Speaker 4: It was fun.
Speaker 3: I asked her on our show that we do this week.
I said, on Fridays around five thirty Eastern time, do
your ears start burning. We're having a lot of fun
at your expense.
Speaker 2: Well, somebody needs to She went on this long rant.
We did our show yesterday and I asked how her
weekend went. Generic question. You know, it's kind of like
when you see somebody, Hey, I don't really care. As
she goes in this long rant about how she went
to her friend's birthday party and they rented a house
on the water Friday, and then they went to Epcot
Center Saturday and how awful it was. And I was like,
that sounds pretty nice. I don't I was at work
Friday and Saturday and Sunday. Kelly, that didn't sound too bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't do weddings and birthday parties in football season.
I'm sorry. You got to schedule around.
Speaker 2: Some people have other interests, not us, obviously, but other people,
strange people.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit about some college
football here, John. We got to some decent games, you know,
coming up on Saturday, We're gonna get into this with
with the best bets coming up, But I want to
get your take here. U NLB is on the road
at Miami of Ohio and how much action is this plane?
Because I've heard several people talk about this game. I'm
gonna be involved in this game myself. Again, kind of
a weird matchup. And when you look at UNLV, I
mean at their schedule. Really, Boise State is the toughest
opponent that they have, but they literally could run the
table here. What are your thoughts on the game, And
then from a betting perspective, because I know that a
lot of people like Miami of Ohio.
Speaker 2: We've seen a little bit of money on Miami of Ohio.
The number's gone down a little bit to plus two.
I do look, I do think I think we talked
about this last Friday, but I think UNLV got a
big break with that fight. That fight moving their game
last week into August and they basically had not basically
they had a bye week last week to get.
Speaker 4: Ready for this game.
Speaker 2: I think that was a big break for UNLV in retrospect,
and it could be a good spot for them.
Speaker 4: Off that week off.
Speaker 2: But here we're seeing money on Miami of Ohio a
little bit of money and knocking the number down just
a little bit. Nothing crazy, not a huge handle game
for us, but some sharper play.
Speaker 4: On the dog.
Speaker 1: Marco. I know you like Miami of Ohio two and
this is a zero to two team here. You're not
believing in the ReBs.
Speaker 3: I'm not and you know I'm gonna go opposite direction
on having the break. I think that's a momentum stopper.
You know when we do. You know NFL and I
handicap the bye weeks. I tell you all the time.
I hate to see a team that's on a roll
go into their bye week because it breaks your momentum.
A team that's struggling, you know, and needs to fix things,
that's a different story UNLV. Right now there is their
stock is as high as it has been all year.
I didn't expect them to be three and zero at
this point in time and for them to be sitting
around for the week and then going to the East
Coast play Miami, you know, a non conference game after
you just played Ucla and we know Ucla is not
good this year, but they they put a beating on them.
I just think you know my saying fat and sassy.
That's my concern with UNLV this week.
Speaker 4: But UCLA is a lot more than not good. UCLA
is awful. So I think you have to downgrade UNOV
a little bit.
Speaker 2: After seeing UCILE lose at home to New Mexico last
Friday night, I mean that that was a terrible performance.
Speaker 1: How many times did we see in a coach fired
after two games, which Foster.
Speaker 3: Was two of them.
Speaker 2: Virginia Tuck And it's very very unusual, very unusual in
college football.
Speaker 4: You don't see that.
Speaker 2: Those are two pretty I mean not like blue blood programs.
There are two good college football programs, college football programs
that have played in big bowl games, introduced NFL players.
For them to be firing their coaches middle of September,
it's extremely unusual.
Speaker 1: Which games are you seeing the most action on any
line movement on the college side? On Saturday?
Speaker 2: Michigan Nebraska, I think it's probably the big afternoon game tomorrow.
Saw a lot of money come in on Nebraska. Michigan's
down to a one point favorite in that game. Interesting
quarterback matchup there to really blue chip high school quarterbacks.
I think it'll be a fun one a lot of money.
We saw this last Saturday. It didn't get there because
the quarterback through the through an interception five times lagway.
But we're seeing it again this week with people betting
floor against Miami.
Speaker 4: So that game, that's probably the big game.
Speaker 2: I'd say it's the big game Tomorrow night, and then
the big early game is definitely Texas Tech Utah.
Speaker 4: That's a great game.
Speaker 2: And I have seen some sharp money on Texas Tech
plus three and a half at.
Speaker 4: Utah, so you got some It's a good Saturday. I think.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a great Saturday, but Texas Tech
Utah is a great game, and I think I think that's.
Speaker 1: The best Saturday that we've seen since Labor Day when
you had kind of a limited schedule.
Speaker 4: I agree with that. Yeah, it's better than last week.
Speaker 3: Utah at noon Eastern time. It just doesn't make.
Speaker 1: Sense eleven am.
Speaker 4: You know Central start time in ten am in Salt Lake,
so it's ten am.
Speaker 1: Two games, Yeah, because it was just like pee wee football. No,
it's the television game. It's the television They have that
nine am Pacific time slot, or you like to say
Marco twelve Eastern, right, and then you only got the
twelve thirty Pacific Eastern.
Speaker 2: You know, I missed one. I missed a game. Auburn
Oklahoma has been an interesting bet game.
Speaker 1: The Jackson Arnold game Jackson Arnold Transfers.
Speaker 2: That's like the that's the quintessential nil era college football
game where you've got the five star quarterback from Oklahoma
transfers to Auburn because Oklahoma brings in their own quarterback, who,
by the way, is now the second favorite and Heisman
betting here at the West Skate Jeometier, And.
Speaker 4: That was a game.
Speaker 2: It was really sharp groups bet it up to seven,
and we've seen sharp money at plus seven. I almost
feel like they were faking that one up to take
the dog in that game. It seems like a big
number for Auburn in that game.
Speaker 3: I've seen six and a half's again six yeah, comes they.
Speaker 2: Were because the sevens were disappearing. So it's what it
feels like to us. We'll see, But I think that's
a really interesting game. I think maybe that might be
the most interesting.
Speaker 1: Game in the Florida Miami game. Which side are you
see action Florida.
Speaker 2: They're taking Florida. Yeah, same as last week. Florida is
getting bet down again. Look the quarterback through five interceptions
and LSU still needed to pick six to cover the spread.
You know, Florida Florida's defense pretty aren't good. So we'll
see what they look like tomorrow night against Miami. And
Miami team that has the Heisman front runner all.
Speaker 3: Correct, car Florida doesn't win this week. They're staring oh
and four start because they got Texas on deck.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think it's already a foregone conclusion.
The billion napier is going to be gone anyway. And
I don't understand why people are buying Florida because it's
not a good football team. I mean, this could and
should be a route. It probably won't be a route.
But when you line up these two sides, and just
from a physical standpoint and a emotional standpoint, I mean,
the Kings blasted them last year. If you remember that game,
they won by seventeen last year. So I don't see
anything changing in Florida's worse this year than they were
last year.
Speaker 3: Do you really think Miami and Florida is a top
five team though.
Speaker 1: Miamiah At this point, I would say yes, because those
Big ten team that we're accustomed to scene and we're
talking about it this time last year or not there.
I mean, Michigan is clearly not as good Indiana, Illinois
is a little bit phony this and that. So you
take the big ten, you know, outside of Ohio State
out of the mix, Penn State and again you know, well,
you know Penn State.
Speaker 4: Oregon's pretty Oregon.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't true, not right off organ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I'm thinking more of the traditional big
and I'm not I'm not doing the influx.
Speaker 4: I got Phil Steele.
Speaker 2: I wanted to I want to remember I got Phil
Steele and I wanted to read about one of those
teams like USC or Oregon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was flipping through it trying to find the.
Speaker 1: Pack twelve right exactly, and I was like, man, I.
Speaker 4: Was on a plane somewhere and I was like, you're idiots.
Speaker 1: And and I'll say this right now, and I'm I'm
gonna use him in some way sham or shape or form,
probably gonna teaser variety is USC. This USC team is good.
They play Michigan State. I don't like the eighteen and
a half, so it scared me off the best bet.
But they're going to win this game, and they probably
cover too. But I like SC we like USC too.
Speaker 2: I think I don't think Miami is a top five team.
I think a team that is probably better than their
ranking right now is Tennessee. Tennessee should have won that
game on Saturday. They've got some great They've got some
great skill players on offense. They've improved their quarterback from
last year. They blew that game, but I would not
forget about them.
Speaker 1: All right, real quick, NFL side, give me a game
or two that you get your eye on that You've
seen some shark back.
Speaker 4: Sharp money on Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Minnesota against Cincinnati, battle of the backup qbs there, sharp
money on Arizona and the forty nine ers have a
backup quarterback as well. And then I think the game.
It's been the most two ways, the big afternoon game.
They bet the Bears early in the week and got
to pick. And then we saw some real sharp money
on Dallas yesterday, so very well bet game there in
the afternoon. I don't have an opinion on that one, Marco.
Speaker 3: I like Chicago that one. I just I can't get
past the Dallas defense. Russell Wilson threw for four hundred
and twenty two yards. That's not good.
Speaker 4: That's not good.
Speaker 3: And they got a big game next week Dallas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got green Bay next week. I mean, I
think the Sunday night game is interesting. Kansas City at
the Giants. Giants have to be demoralized. There's no way
they should have lost that game on Sunday. And Kansas
City's got Baltimore looming next week.
Speaker 4: If they don't win Sunday Night, they could go, they
could start.
Speaker 1: I gotta believe the Kansasity is gonna be a big
public team. They're gonna definitely ei. They're gonna say go
they're the Giants. Oh ye question all right? And then
a big one Monday night Baltimore and Detroit. Looking forward
to that one.
Speaker 2: And they has startin money on Detroit. That number. You've
seen that number come down from six and a half
where we open it to four and a half, right,
so sharp money on the lines. They look really good.
Speaker 1: Lave, it's gonna be a good one. Come out and
join us YouTube. John Murray, Marco D'Angelo whose songs canteena
in Henderson, our money night football home, myself, the quarterback
Jay Schrader there and it will be pick the score contest,
all you can eat tacos. We got the carving station
there for twenty bucks five dollars. Margarita is the inventor
of the Margarita at whose songs canteen of their Saint
Rose Parkway, Maryland Parkway. You're invited, come on out, have
a good time. Prizes galore, giving away UNLV tickets, show tickets.
Who knows, maybe Marco D'Angel will buy a bunch of
concert country concert tickets. We can give those away. You
never know, maybe we'll get one of John's survivor tickets.
Speaker 4: You know, No, no, I can't do it. That's too far.
That's a bridge too far. That's pretty ticket.
Speaker 1: Man. We're root for you, brother, appreciate you as always.
Speaker 4: Man of course.
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