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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Jewish History Uncensored with Mark Shapiro. This is

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<v Speaker 1>season sixteen, episode forty three.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, I have lots of stuff to show you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll try to keep it to fifteen minutes so that

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<v Speaker 2>we can move forward. But some of this is really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting and relevant to what we were doing with the class.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing I want to show you, let's see. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not what I meant to show you, but

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<v Speaker 2>it just it popped up. So I'll show you that.

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<v Speaker 2>But someone this has been going around. Now you can

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<v Speaker 2>get your I don't know if it's a caustrous thing

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<v Speaker 2>or just people are too lazy to make saltwater. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's that complicated. He takes some winder and put

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<v Speaker 2>a little sult in. But we saw last week about

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<v Speaker 2>the masks. But this isn't what I wanted to show you,

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<v Speaker 2>so let me get rid of that. Where's the pager?

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<v Speaker 2>I have so many pages I want to show you here,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where to begin. Okay, uh, you know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna begin with this one with Rabbi if you

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<v Speaker 2>remember Rabbi Amslam. For some reason, he's running in for

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<v Speaker 2>the election Cannesse it he's not any seats whatsoever. You see.

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<v Speaker 2>I put this up on YouTube a few minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's I don't know why he's running. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna win any vote for him as a complete ways,

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<v Speaker 2>that's him in the middle. But whatever he's uh, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>has the right to run. So the second person on

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<v Speaker 2>the list is a woman now for some reason. So

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<v Speaker 2>he got the one of the bastins in Jerusalem, Rabbi Abergel,

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<v Speaker 2>who we've also discussed to endorse the party, which it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a Sphardic moderate type of party, which must mean

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<v Speaker 2>there a Barberzelle is not doesn't hold an official government office,

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<v Speaker 2>must be retired or else you can't endorse. But listen

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<v Speaker 2>to what he says for those who know Hebrew, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll translate it for those who don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Madame i am Ashima that she is gon back in

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<v Speaker 3>the said is money good.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is reb Abraz, author of ten volumes of

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<v Speaker 2>chew Vote, in which he declares there's no issue for

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<v Speaker 2>a woman uh to be in the Kinnesset or to

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<v Speaker 2>be a prime minister. That the whole issue of Serrara

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<v Speaker 2>is like permanent sort of appointments, not temporary thing. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's Uh that that's I think uh of interest uh significant.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get rid of this. Uh. We spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>the uh the dinner, the dinner that Rabbi Zevatowsky and

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<v Speaker 2>also uh Rabbi Sliffkin had. So now with those of

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<v Speaker 2>you in Israel, if you want to get your locusts

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<v Speaker 2>uh for Pesach, you can pick them up the kosher locusts. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked in the Gurak's book. I have it here

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<v Speaker 2>Judaism's encounter with American sports, and I see I missed. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, his man of the Maychiater is not

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<v Speaker 2>in the preface. It's on page eighty two to eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was wrong in a different reason as well.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells the story of the may Chater in already

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<v Speaker 2>back in Eastern Europe, I guess in Poland that he

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<v Speaker 2>was once walking with Mayor Berlin and they found some

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<v Speaker 2>youngsters from a gymnasium school in Brisk Actually it was

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<v Speaker 2>in Brisk, Lithuania. And it was then that the Machuature remarked,

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<v Speaker 2>why didn't we have this when we were youngsters. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that's true. I don't think that's the story.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not in Brisk The story as I've always heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was at Yeshivas or Ritziljana. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be playing basketball or anything in brisk or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they were playing, I don't whatever. I just don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the story. I think Gurak has it confused. And

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Gore's not from a person from Yeshiva. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been teaching in many years. But Rakkefed who grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in Yu and he repeats the story the way I

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<v Speaker 2>said it. It's a legend that I mean, a well

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<v Speaker 2>known story. Sorry at Yeshiva, serbitzel Khanan. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>show you some pictures here. I mentioned the Khabad in Delhi.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're sitting down, which is good because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to show you a couple of things here. Oh, before

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<v Speaker 2>I get to that, I want to show you this

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<v Speaker 2>is well lo and behold. We've been speaking so much

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<v Speaker 2>about Rabbi Mazous. We only have like two more letters

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<v Speaker 2>from him. But he wrote a poem about the rumbum

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<v Speaker 2>and wone behold Hanukah two years ago, who wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>song to the poem. I'll play you a minute of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you believe him, he says that he just

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<v Speaker 2>he created this. He hadn't yet seen the poem. He

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<v Speaker 2>did this song for the first time reading it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I can believe that. I don't know anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>even a person as talented as this can just hold

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<v Speaker 2>something in the hand and start singing. But that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he claims. You'll see this person in a minute. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if the s Fardim in the audience know

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<v Speaker 2>what haloma means. Bo and behold look who sang the

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<v Speaker 2>song from rabby Marzus's poem about the Rambam I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know a kiss with his boys? Who young a Smaier.

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<v Speaker 2>This is lipomt Schmeltzer. For those who don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, uh.

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<v Speaker 5>Knows you can.

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<v Speaker 4>Here?

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<v Speaker 6>Should I start some say.

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<v Speaker 4>Pammy, Okay?

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<v Speaker 6>Do you know it's puta I ship by yeah, Hay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>hayrosay I should by yeah, had foot, Pahndam dog dog

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<v Speaker 6>Habrol ship by yeah, Harol, Reality ship by the Hazel.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there's liebu Schmeltzer. Very good. Now I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the last class going to India. I want to show

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<v Speaker 2>you some things because it's really it really speaks to

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<v Speaker 2>the theology I spoke about. We're going to be seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the lebabach Rebby's letters in a few minutes. But I

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<v Speaker 2>want to show I said last week that the people

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<v Speaker 2>in India are are really crazy. So let me show

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<v Speaker 2>you some thing this year. First of all, these are

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<v Speaker 2>if you come to well, here's Dharmshalla, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>if you should recognize what this is. This is Darmshala.

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<v Speaker 2>It's where the dialama is. That's the same that that's

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<v Speaker 2>seven seventy. I'll show you what seven seventy looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>They make it exactly the same. Here's seven seventy. But

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't really what is of concern. What's concern is

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<v Speaker 2>the following. Look at at this well, first, as you

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<v Speaker 2>can't miss the rabbad house because as you're walking down

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<v Speaker 2>the street in India in a bad neighborhood by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, a very run down neighborhood, you have

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<v Speaker 2>it tells you where the bab Kabad is. And then

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<v Speaker 2>if you go into it, uh you find yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show you what it looks like right inside. This

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<v Speaker 2>is in Deli. So of course you see here right

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<v Speaker 2>behind the iron Kodesh, you had a name Mariamed. But

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<v Speaker 2>then you have as follows, now, this is the thing

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<v Speaker 2>we need to explain a bit about inside every one

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<v Speaker 2>of the sari. There you have this writing, well it

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<v Speaker 2>says you had a name Rebi Milbavich melm Kai kayam

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<v Speaker 2>lelo Hinoi de Ganisa. So what does this mean that

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<v Speaker 2>the rebbe is alive without without any she noi of Guinisa. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you can easily look online for instance, if you're interested,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show you one place and you can see this

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<v Speaker 2>all explained for example in this article here. What does

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<v Speaker 2>it mean in they explain that Nasiha, there's no he

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<v Speaker 2>still is around without any change, Nasiador, He doesn't go

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<v Speaker 2>to another place Ella narva ed but Oto makomaam but

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<v Speaker 2>oh Amhagashami. The Rebbi is still with us in the

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<v Speaker 2>physical world. And if you go down in the article

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<v Speaker 2>with this this idea of Sheoi de Gania, because they

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<v Speaker 2>speak about the aron the Gamara talks about. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>dispute over what happened to the iron after the first base.

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<v Speaker 2>I may just some say it was brought to Bobbo.

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<v Speaker 2>Others say it was nignas it was like hidden. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's still had significance even if it was. And what

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying, is that the Rebby. It's not that he's

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<v Speaker 2>not hidden even I'll read you here. So they say

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about how before the Rebby's passing, or they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say that everyone knew where the rebbe was.

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<v Speaker 4>But uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he goes on. They say that this place will

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<v Speaker 2>remain the Rebby's place. Loshinoi nami. So the way I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it is that they're saying that the Rebbe, we

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<v Speaker 2>can't see him, but he still exists in his physical body.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the equivalent of the Shia conception of occultation.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, the final the last of the imams. They

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<v Speaker 2>believe never died, but he was removed bodily. We just

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<v Speaker 2>can't see it. Does that mean that I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think that means that there's no grave, in that there's

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<v Speaker 2>no one in the grave. Although unless they have this

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<v Speaker 2>conception that the Rebbe's physicality continues and the body is

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<v Speaker 2>no longer, the body has nothing to do with the physicality.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know about the theology. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask, you know. There I was their guests and

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<v Speaker 2>it was very strange weekend. I was there with a

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<v Speaker 2>guy from England, and we're sitting around the shops table,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said something to me like, God, do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we're the only normal people here. You're sitting

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<v Speaker 2>with all these Israelis and you're hearing this stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere else you'd think that this is crazy far out

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<v Speaker 2>and here you're the minority. It's like, Uh, you're looking around,

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<v Speaker 2>You're wondering if you're the crazy people because that's the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff you're hearing. And yet the people were so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But to say that that the Rebbe is still in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, no changes except we can't see it, but

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<v Speaker 2>he remains where he was in a physical way. Person

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<v Speaker 2>wrote to me today. I asked him about this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a few people who make the claim that

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<v Speaker 2>they believe in the square circle paradox of the Rebbe's

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<v Speaker 2>continued physical life, which can't be seen, touched, or otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>perceived in the human senses. However, it remains a nonsensical

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<v Speaker 2>statement that can't actually mean anything, so any attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>analyze it will be ludicrous by definition. This is from

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<v Speaker 2>a krabadnik, but that's in all the Sarim, and they

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<v Speaker 2>have a thing on their website you can send in

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<v Speaker 2>an email and you can do. So there's a machine,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing they have online, and it automatically will open

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<v Speaker 2>the pages of the books of ste letters and he's

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<v Speaker 2>and he's giving you the answer that way. So just strange,

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<v Speaker 2>strange stuff going on over in India. There's so I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>wait two more minutes. I want to tell you two

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<v Speaker 2>more things. Remember we spoke last week, but or mainstreamzar

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<v Speaker 2>and I said that if he's summoned by Putin, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no question he would have to go get in the

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<v Speaker 2>car on shabists or jump tiff. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>there's any post taking in the world who would disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>We do things. We have doctors violate molachedl ris on

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<v Speaker 2>shabists because we're afraid what it might lead to with

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<v Speaker 2>non Jews, and so all the more so a case

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<v Speaker 2>like this, there's no doubt. And every Rabbi I've spoken

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<v Speaker 2>happened with Mendelssohn. He reminded me, if you Mendelssohn, you

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<v Speaker 2>can read all about it in Alexander Oltman's book on

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. It's an issad or abundan. And what

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<v Speaker 2>Because Mendelson didn't know what to do. It's jongtove. He

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<v Speaker 2>can't go in a carriage, but he's summoned by the emperor.

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<v Speaker 2>And what this group of experts, convened by the chief

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<v Speaker 2>go in the carriage, but in order that because people

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<v Speaker 2>So the same exact thing happened with Mendelssohn, and he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't sure what he's supposed to do. Okay, the last

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<v Speaker 2>thing I want to do is as follows, and then

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks ago and show you why I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake in what Dolphin said. Listen to this, and

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<v Speaker 2>the when you stress the greatness of Man, Rabbi Rudeman replied,

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<v Speaker 2>he quotes the Yiddish Dufoyl siglernin Gemura Russian tosvos hostu gemah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am Derek, you are lazy, too lazy to

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<v Speaker 2>study the talma with the commentators. So you made a

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<v Speaker 2>new approach. That's the and we spoke about that. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>are you elab Brabari laiboll I guess he didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>that I was reading from Dolphin, Chim Dolphin, who he

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about, who's published all these books. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>say I read another one over Shabis. Unfortunately, with all

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<v Speaker 2>You can't even go two pages without a grammatical problem,

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<v Speaker 2>a spelling mistake. It's it's it's unfortunate. But uh Rabai

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<v Speaker 2>one saying that what he's speaking about is covenatoa the

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<v Speaker 2>new Derrek. But it's I was just reading for Dolphin.

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<v Speaker 2>But Rabari lab says something which is correct. I think

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that I was going who made the mistake? I

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<v Speaker 2>am sure what Rabbi Janowski said is he told him

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<v Speaker 2>Dolphin the story and that Rabbi Hutner asked Rabbi Ruderman,

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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Rudeman reply somewhat giving, you know, giving him a

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about Coverata. What he was asking about was

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<v Speaker 2>this Dolphin's wrong Dolphin makes it seem as if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>certain of this that that's what Janowski said. Now that

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<v Speaker 2>I'll read it again, Janowski just said the new Derek,

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<v Speaker 2>it's dolphin understanding this to mean this Derek of Colorata

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<v Speaker 2>where the people have to walk out backwards and don't

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<v Speaker 2>give you respect and all that stuff. As rebay Alb said,

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<v Speaker 2>Rav Futner was the only one of the Gadoli from

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<v Speaker 2>LTA who insisted on this respect. But that's not what

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<v Speaker 2>it's referring to. It's obvious he's for Raffutner we know

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<v Speaker 2>was into mashava and philosophy. That's what he was asking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So he asked her, by Rudermann, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>about my approach? Rav Rudermann said that your approach where

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<v Speaker 2>you focus on Maharral, etcetera, that's only because you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to, you know, put the time into learning gamarrow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's clearly what it means. So thank you RIVARDI. Late,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I had conversation with a number of

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<v Speaker 2>you over this, and one of you asked me what

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<v Speaker 2>about the damorrow? Says in Krasal if you run away

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<v Speaker 2>from cold, colde comes after you and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>The truth is there is no such statement in Krazal

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<v Speaker 2>and believe it or not. In Revs. Schmol Ashkenazi's new

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<v Speaker 2>book he wrote, Schmuel Volume one, page one ninety two,

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<v Speaker 2>he shows that the earliest citation of this is like

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<v Speaker 2>from a five hundred years ago. There's similar passages like

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<v Speaker 2>someone in sidiment says I ran away from covoed barachtim

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<v Speaker 2>in a vote and Covot came after me, But it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't actually say there's no such a benic expression if

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<v Speaker 2>let me shure you this. This is great. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look in Rebi Rijak of Weinberg, and this is the

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<v Speaker 2>last thing we do in the collected Drushim of Rabbi Weinberg,

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<v Speaker 2>they do shebal Stree Dish, volume three, page twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>It says, this follows, this shows the honesty of rebby Weinberg,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's quoted by his student, and I thank his

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<v Speaker 2>student for quoting it. The problem with all these godolim

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<v Speaker 2>is we have to thank Nelson Kamenetsky is most of

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<v Speaker 2>the people knew them well are afraid to say what

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<v Speaker 2>other things. That's why I like the book masaras Moshe,

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<v Speaker 2>at least the first two volumes. And this is what

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<v Speaker 2>Rebbi Weinberg said. He says, once Rebye Weinberg said to

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<v Speaker 2>me Kuwanda bineodum, we're all people gom oni ohef co vote.

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<v Speaker 2>Rebbie Weinberg says, he's one of the good OLiS show.

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<v Speaker 2>I also like co vote Ela Shann Delaharav, but I

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<v Speaker 2>try not to chase after it. But if they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>give me covode, I'll take it. But I don't try

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<v Speaker 2>to chase after it. That's uh. Who can say they

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<v Speaker 2>don't like a little covode. So Reby Weinberg is being

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<v Speaker 2>honest and saying that, and then he says uh. Then

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<v Speaker 2>he follows with a good story. He says that once

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<v Speaker 2>this important rabbi came to Montreal, Switzerland, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>staying in the Jewish pension. Everybody Weinberg said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's go visit this rabbi. So I said back

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<v Speaker 2>to him, this ster By Weinberg, why should you go

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<v Speaker 2>visit him. He's visiting Montreal, he should come visit you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's suitable, everybody Weinberg saysso, Deck, you are correct. Are

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<v Speaker 2>But if I go visit him, then I decide when

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to leave. If he comes to me, I

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<v Speaker 2>Sol Ednmann used to always go visit Rabbi Zeven. He

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have to visit him because he said, he comes

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<v Speaker 2>can get rid of him. We'll keep talking and talking,

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<v Speaker 2>gave you the introduction last week. How the how I

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<v Speaker 2>got to have youiros with the rebbe? How Rabbi Herson

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<v Speaker 2>who's the uh the the head? Yeah, he's head of

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<v Speaker 2>Remel College, head of the shurim in in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, this word schluchim, Well, why shurim? What

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<v Speaker 2>And if I'm wrong, it's not modern Hebrew, but in

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<v Speaker 2>a Rabbinic Hebrew, the plural of the word Shaliach is Shlukim.

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<v Speaker 2>de Gamaris that I found in the mission and mission

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<v Speaker 2>of Russia Shana schuchin yo sin. So that is the

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<v Speaker 2>poral of Shariah. Why that's the pooral look in Benya Huda.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't really have a good explanation, but that is

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<v Speaker 2>you refer to them as schluchim, it's not. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>And David Eisenezi says that a modern Hebrew it's shrichrim

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<v Speaker 2>not but that's not rabbinic Hebrew. So I gave, we

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<v Speaker 2>gave the whole story about the Rebbe. Now, when he

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<v Speaker 2>went to the rebby, my father's an historian. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Rebby said to him, well, send me some of your writings.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Rebbe was always interested. He always wanted everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>And the Rebbi had correspondence, of course, he a toror correspondence,

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<v Speaker 2>but he also had a correspondence with all sorts of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Here here's a book that came out two years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Dear Rebbi Rabinachamandel Schniersen corresponds with a singer, a writer,

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<v Speaker 2>a sculptor, and a Holocaust survivor who This is just

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<v Speaker 2>collection of his correspondence with Jacques Ripschitz, who's a sculptor.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, sculptors are a problem holockily John Pierce, the singer,

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<v Speaker 2>David Chase, the wealthy Holocaust survivor who funded many combat programs,

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<v Speaker 2>including the Renal College, and him Grada, and he corresponded

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<v Speaker 2>with many many others like that. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>he'd sometimes have these ichridos going into four am or

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<v Speaker 2>even later. He I don't know when he found time

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<v Speaker 2>to learn to prepare. He's meeting people constantly, he's responding,

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<v Speaker 2>but he must have only needed two three hours sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>So he writes, and after my father sent him the materials,

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<v Speaker 2>he writes back, you know, acknowledging you know you sent me,

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<v Speaker 2>and after the visit with your sons and connection with

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<v Speaker 2>Melech's barmits. So that's myself, and he does. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>long letter here. It's nothing groundbreaking anything. It's the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff you've heard again and again. But let me

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<v Speaker 2>just call attention to a few a few things. He

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<v Speaker 2>has the Rebby's handwritten, you know, after I was typed

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<v Speaker 2>in some words there that we're missing. And he writes,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, to my father, anyone, especially historian, reflecting on

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<v Speaker 2>the long history of our Jewish people. So this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just state. This is an actual letter written to my father,

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<v Speaker 2>not one of these letters that they just form letters.

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<v Speaker 2>And he speaks about the things that we all know

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<v Speaker 2>that although the Jews have suffered so much, nevertheless we

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<v Speaker 2>remain and the other people are gone and he says,

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about how the usual factors which are important

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<v Speaker 2>nations are concerned, notably territory, statehood, language, dress, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>is not essential to the Jews. We didn't have this.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have a territory, we didn't have state who,

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<v Speaker 2>So what kept us the people? The Tora this is

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<v Speaker 2>something we all know, but it's very nice to see

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<v Speaker 2>it as the Rebee putting it together. And he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about how the tourist studyed in different languages. It goes

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<v Speaker 2>on and on and on. But then he says at

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<v Speaker 2>which I have had occasion to point out before, our

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<v Speaker 2>on faith to be connected. But for us, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need to rely on faith. It's factual. Look

408
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<v Speaker 2>at the history thousands of years of Jews, all these

409
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>which it was supposed to last forever, they're all gone.

410
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:06.000
<v Speaker 2>We're all here. The Rebby says, that's not that's not

411
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<v Speaker 2>a matter of faith. We actually have something the earlier

412
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<v Speaker 2>generations didn't have. We have as close as you can

413
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<v Speaker 2>get to proof that you know, we are being watched

414
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<v Speaker 2>over and that we have a purpose and we're not

415
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<v Speaker 2>just some nation, and we have something that the earlier

416
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<v Speaker 2>generations didn't have. Usually we think that we're much less

417
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<v Speaker 2>than the early generations, but we have something they didn't have,

418
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<v Speaker 2>something we can actually look at and see if you

419
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<v Speaker 2>want to prove, I always say, if you want to prove,

420
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't like proofs, you know, to prove Judaism or

421
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.839
<v Speaker 2>anything like that. But the closest thing you have to

422
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:37.839
<v Speaker 2>the proof is that his history of the Jews and

423
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>what we've gone through and how we're still here and

424
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 2>it's not normal. So and that's what the Rebby says.

425
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>So our survival is a nation as members of this

426
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<v Speaker 2>holy nation, you know this is a matter of self

427
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:54.039
<v Speaker 2>evident truth, he says, reinforced by the facts and experience

428
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:56.799
<v Speaker 2>of our Jewish history. So, I mean, the Rebby says,

429
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<v Speaker 2>he's pointed this out before, but I think this is significant.

430
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<v Speaker 2>I think it's significant that Rebbe points it out in

431
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<v Speaker 2>speaking to a story, and it shows you that someone

432
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<v Speaker 2>who just met for a few minutes, but in writing

433
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<v Speaker 2>a letter he's cognizant of he could have written just

434
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>a short little letter thank you. He goes into pages

435
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.119
<v Speaker 2>expounding on this, and he had to think about this

436
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.559
<v Speaker 2>when he wrote it. Uh that that's the greatness of

437
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:23.039
<v Speaker 2>the Rebbee. And unfortunately many people don't see this, and uh,

438
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:29.359
<v Speaker 2>they're always looking for negatives. And but the Rebbe, what

439
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>can you say about the Rebbe? He created a revolution

440
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>in Judaism. So every time you have a revolution, you

441
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>have certain dark spots and unfortunate things. But uh, you

442
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:46.039
<v Speaker 2>know what he what he accomplished in terms of the

443
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Jewish world, no one, no one came close and to

444
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.039
<v Speaker 2>the Rebbi's credit. And the Litfish don't like this, but

445
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.880
<v Speaker 2>it's the truth. The Litfish who are so opposed to

446
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:56.960
<v Speaker 2>keyre Of and all these things show Markabach had to

447
00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>leave lake Wood because of that. Now, of course they're

448
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.039
<v Speaker 2>leaders in it. It's all because of the success of Krabad.

449
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Rabbad not gotten into it. They never would have and

450
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 2>they do the exact same thing that Habad did. How

451
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.720
<v Speaker 2>do they they're at all these colleges now the litfish

452
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.759
<v Speaker 2>charadeem and what do they do? They asked people, are

453
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you Jewish? And they're the same thing that you know.

454
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Come we're having a sayor we're having this set. They

455
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<v Speaker 2>do the same thing that Kabad did and Hbad, I

456
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>guess had to break the ice on it. But this

457
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>is the vision of the Rebbe. And there's a lot

458
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 2>that can be said about the Rebbe. And and just

459
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 2>because you have some crazy Shuhim in certain places, that

460
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 2>doesn't take away from all the great things that the

461
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Shuim do and the and what the Rebby did so

462
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>and the Rebbie is a thinker. And Elliott Wolfson cannot

463
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Elliot Wolfson, who's so so area died, has written so much.

464
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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't have written a whole book on the Rebby's

465
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 2>cabalistic ideas if the Rebbe wasn't a great thinker. And

466
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 2>the fact that it's hard to understand one page of

467
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 2>that book because all the jargon it's written in, and

468
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 2>derry du and all this postmodern stuff, that doesn't take

469
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 2>away from the fact that the Rebbie is not just

470
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>a doer, he's also a thinker, and most thinkers are

471
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:07.839
<v Speaker 2>not doers, and most doers are not thinkers. So the

472
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Rebbe is special. Now we're up to number one fifty

473
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:16.599
<v Speaker 2>one and we have two letters here from a rehearsal

474
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:21.039
<v Speaker 2>chapter from Yu. I have to let me say a

475
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 2>few things about Reschechter, because Rechechter creates different feelings among

476
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>different people. I understand if people who are on the

477
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:34.839
<v Speaker 2>left open orthodox they're not very happy with him because

478
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>of his opposition to really a feminist issue. I think

479
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>mostly so that I understand, but I also think that

480
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:51.880
<v Speaker 2>we're dealing with someone who is an authentic not just

481
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>an authentic godd olg an unbelievable totrast scholar. And no

482
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>one's going to be happy with one hundred percent of

483
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>what someone says, as it's never happened that way, but

484
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.519
<v Speaker 2>always people like to look at the glass half empty,

485
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.799
<v Speaker 2>even if you think you said something. You know, these

486
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>people sometimes they speak or something like him is speaking

487
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>every single night, literally giving me share him every night,

488
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 2>and in all different places. I don't know when he

489
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:16.400
<v Speaker 2>finds the time to learn every night. He's in a

490
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>different now he's on zoom, but in a different town,

491
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.759
<v Speaker 2>and all that's all. Occasionally you'll say something which maybe

492
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 2>doesn't come out so good, but uh, I think people,

493
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.319
<v Speaker 2>and I say this only to the people who are

494
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<v Speaker 2>knowing from the distance, I can say that if you

495
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 2>speak to him personally, he's kind and he's at zadig

496
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 2>as we'll see. But believing that a part, we should

497
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 2>be very thankful that we have such an more enormous

498
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>post sake and figure. When I say a leader, if

499
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Lukensin had never gone to Israel, he would be the leader.

500
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>It says something about American Orthodoxy that a leader is

501
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>a post sake. That's very much more on the Haaradi model.

502
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Reschachtor's great, great posts ache. But you're not

503
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna ask him to speak about humanistic concerns of the day.

504
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>And you know how Judy is response to it. Know

505
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>who he is. He's a post sake and an outstanding

506
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>maybe the greatest in America that we have. And that's

507
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 2>the sign of how American Orthodoxy has gone in a

508
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>certain direction. Had rebellence remained in America, he will be

509
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 2>a very different leader. But just remember this, look at

510
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>all the things we have with Reschelter. He stands with

511
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.839
<v Speaker 2>agunas not does he stand with agunas he's the one

512
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 2>behind this. When they're protests in front of people's houses,

513
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 2>and there's been a few in recent days, he actually

514
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.880
<v Speaker 2>marches with the people. He speaks about the importance of

515
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:38.400
<v Speaker 2>honesty in dealing with the government, and that should be

516
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.400
<v Speaker 2>taken for granted. He won't even let some under a

517
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>witness or at a wedding or doesn't believe should give

518
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>him a leaf. He's known to, let's say, be cheating

519
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.599
<v Speaker 2>on his taxes or things like that. The issues is

520
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.319
<v Speaker 2>sexual beause I can go down the list, is religious Zionism,

521
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>so I mean the community should feel very fortunate. It

522
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean they have to agree with every aspect. He says.

523
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 2>He might be more conservative in certain areas, but uh,

524
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 2>here is someone and even the liberal KREATI look to him.

525
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.400
<v Speaker 2>That's someone who wants so many of the issues, and

526
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>he's not afraid. He doesn't look over his shoulder, doesn't

527
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>care what the you know, the right wingers say.

528
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

529
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 2>He tells the truth like he sees it. And it's

530
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 2>very unusual to have someone like that. So I and

531
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't heard a share him, I'm a big

532
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 2>fan in many many ways, and I'll say, I think

533
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 2>when you hear see the next letter to me, you'll

534
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 2>be very impressed as well. Look, I've I've disagreed. Also,

535
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>I've written about some things online and I've told him

536
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 2>that I've told him that I disagreed, and he doesn't care.

537
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 2>So but uh, And when I say I disagree, obviously

538
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm not in augh to disagree. But some of his

539
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 2>other ashuffle things, I don't feel balanced to that. Uh,

540
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.279
<v Speaker 2>and all the kind so leaving that, you know, it's

541
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>almost embarrassing. I need to say that I think he's

542
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the Godolia sarle. But I know because in

543
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the in the Jewish Week and the Western and the

544
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Jewish press, sometimes they like to go after him as

545
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 2>someone who represents a view they don't like. And I

546
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.599
<v Speaker 2>can tell you private things. Maybe I shouldn't tell you that.

547
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 2>You'd be shocked at the liberality. One thing I can say,

548
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.359
<v Speaker 2>because it's public, telling Orthodox rabbi they should go to

549
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.839
<v Speaker 2>reform synagogues and speak to the communities there thereof never

550
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>would agree with that, at least I don't think reshucht.

551
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I think is very important because if you don't go

552
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 2>to give them torah they're never going to get it,

553
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 2>to go to removed, to do all these things view

554
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a view, and I know personally from some things he said,

555
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:28.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I have to say it, but

556
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:34.599
<v Speaker 2>quite liberal may be quite surprising. So he really is

557
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.720
<v Speaker 2>a great leader, great post sake. If we had a

558
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 2>reval scene, that would also be good. Someone who could

559
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>speak about the broader humanistic concerns. But that's that's very important.

560
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<v Speaker 2>I think to set from the beginning now. One of

561
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.319
<v Speaker 2>the things I do in Scranton I work there. Of course,

562
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 2>since i've been there now since nineteen ninety six, I'm

563
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:57.119
<v Speaker 2>quite interested in Jewish history in Scranton. I'll get to

564
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Coma what you say later in Jewish history and

565
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Scranton and Scranton has had a long Jewish history. Everywhere

566
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I go, I meet people from Scranton, or they say

567
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 2>they're not themselves, but they say their parents, their grandparents

568
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.639
<v Speaker 2>from Scranton. Not that much left in Scranton, but a

569
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 2>lot has come out of Scranton. It's a nice Jewish history.

570
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 2>There were three great people who lived in Scranton. Oh,

571
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 2>before you even get to that Life magazine in the

572
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties, they did a thing you can buy. You

573
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>can still buy it online. I'll show you now. They

574
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>did a thing about religion in America, and lo and behold,

575
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 2>they chose to focus on a Scranton family. This is

576
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Missus Fink. Incidentally, the Fink family, They were my landlords

577
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Speaker 2>when I lived in Scranton. She had passed away, but

578
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 2>her husband was still alive, who ended up marrying the

579
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>widow of Rabbi Louis Bernstein. So Lo and behold, it

580
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:55.679
<v Speaker 2>said Scranton mother blesses shaba sites. So when they did

581
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:59.599
<v Speaker 2>a thing on Judaism in America, they focused on Scranton.

582
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Why they focused on Scranton, and of all the places,

583
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 2>you can read the book Vic Geller's book, his memoir.

584
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.320
<v Speaker 2>He was the reason why Life magazine went to Scranton

585
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.559
<v Speaker 2>a number of years ago at the university. We did

586
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 2>a thing about the Jews of Scranton, and we'll be hodo.

587
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>We put on the cover. So I had a little

588
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 2>article in here about three great people who were in Scranton.

589
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 2>And there was a rabbi in Scranton who's a signer

590
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Israel Declaration of Independence. I'll give a minute,

591
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.880
<v Speaker 2>not even a minute ten seconds, anyone type that in

592
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>who knows who was the signer of israel Declaration of Independence,

593
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>who lived in Scranton is Rabbian Scranton. Of course he

594
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 2>did many more things after he left Scranton. Let me

595
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.360
<v Speaker 2>show you. I'm going to show you his picture. Ah

596
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Barr has it, very good, Barr. So here here is

597
00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Zev Gold Wolf Gold, who also is a founder of Taravdas.

598
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.519
<v Speaker 2>And he was a rabbi in Willisburg, one of the

599
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 2>founders of Taravdas. Here, incidentally, you can see him. Let

600
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:13.559
<v Speaker 2>me show you him at the march on Washington. He

601
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.039
<v Speaker 2>was the famous rabbis march. You see he's speaking. I'll

602
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 2>play him for a second. Over his to the right

603
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 2>of him is Rabbi Eliezer Silver. He's not wearing his

604
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 2>top hat, but that's Rabbi Silver. And they gave Rabbi

605
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Silver spoke a little also, but the major talk was

606
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Zev Gold. Remember this for those who don't know,

607
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 2>this is a march of many, many Orthodox rabbis, I

608
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>forget the exact number. To try to raise the conscience

609
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<v Speaker 2>in Washington. They couldn't speak to Fdr. The Vice President

610
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<v Speaker 2>came out to speak to them, and it was trying

611
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<v Speaker 2>to show that they're concerned with what's going on in

612
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Europe and we have to do something to help the

613
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<v Speaker 2>Jews in Europe. Here here is Rabbi's gold.

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<v Speaker 7>To the Lord. Blessed be he, that our most gracious

615
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<v Speaker 7>President Franklin Denan of oswell consider and recognize this momentous

616
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<v Speaker 7>hour of history and the responsibility which did divine presence

617
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<v Speaker 7>has laid upon him, that he may save the remnant

618
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<v Speaker 7>of the people of the book, the people of Israel.

619
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<v Speaker 7>And we pray the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. This was nineteen forty three. Incidentally, that March, So

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<v Speaker 2>that was v. Gold's that's number one. Number two. There

622
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<v Speaker 2>was a great another great builder of Jewish institutions in Scranton,

623
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<v Speaker 2>and I don't remember if I had a Oh, yes,

624
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.679
<v Speaker 2>here it is. I'll show you the picture. And it's

625
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<v Speaker 2>related to Zev Gold. Maybe this even had something to

626
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<v Speaker 2>do with the founding the issue there of It does

627
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<v Speaker 2>like a five on Mendoluits we've spoken about in previous classes.

628
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Really one of the founders of the day school movement.

629
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>He was rabbi in Scranton. It says, teaching in a

630
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<v Speaker 2>local TALMATOA and the last one. Let's see how many

631
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 2>recognize this picture. He taught at the Hebrew school also there.

632
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:20.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a Hebrew school. They met five days a week.

633
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.679
<v Speaker 2>They read, let's say, Hebrew literature. That is none other

634
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.480
<v Speaker 2>than Harry Wolfson, the greatest scholar of Jewish philosophy in

635
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 2>America in the twentieth century. He's an old Yeshiva bacher

636
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 2>who then you know, left that and moving to the

637
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 2>academic ross. I wrote a little piece on each one

638
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:48.760
<v Speaker 2>of them. However, I'm reading the old issues of a

639
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Pardase one day and won behold. I see an article

640
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 2>in their short article Torah article by a rabbi. Elie

641
00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Mehlerschachter is his name, and he's a rabbi in Scranton, Sylvania. Well,

642
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I knew that Refersial Schachter's father is Elie Melach. In fact,

643
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:06.440
<v Speaker 2>they call him Melech Schachter, just like they call me

644
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Melch Schmelach. Even though my Hebrew name is not mel

645
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 2>El Melch, it's just Meloch, but mel Schuchter's. Everyone knows

646
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.079
<v Speaker 2>him as Melch Schuchter, even though his name was actually

647
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Elie Melach Eli Melch Schuchter. What I know about. I

648
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:19.840
<v Speaker 2>knew that he was a rabbi in Pennsylvania. He had

649
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 2>PhD by the way, at Dropsy College, the old Dropsy

650
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 2>college on the Missna as it's quoted I think in

651
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:32.960
<v Speaker 2>missiona text quoted in Shawn or something like that. Uh So,

652
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 2>I wrote to Ref Schachter. So here, oh, here's the

653
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>picture of later he taught at Yu and he was

654
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 2>known as an expert on gayrus See. They don't even

655
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>call him l a Milch. They just call him Melch Schachter.

656
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>And uh so I see this article in a partis

657
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<v Speaker 2>So I write to Ref. Schachter. I write that, you know,

658
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 2>being that I'm in teaching in Scrampton, I've written a

659
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.280
<v Speaker 2>bit about the rabbi's and the Hajamim who lived there.

660
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<v Speaker 2>And I found this article on a pardaise from Elia

661
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Revella Melch Schachter rabbi and Scranton. Apparently this is your father,

662
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<v Speaker 2>I think, But is it? I want to know, and

663
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<v Speaker 2>I want to know if you were born or lived

664
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<v Speaker 2>in Scranton, because here I'm always speaking about the important

665
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.599
<v Speaker 2>people came from Scranton. And I had no idea either,

666
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>for Schafter might have was from Scranton. So I'm asking him,

667
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.559
<v Speaker 2>and he says, that's true. I was born in Scranton

668
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>in Mercy Hospital in July twenty eighth, forty one. So

669
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>now you can answer the lists of the people and

670
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.440
<v Speaker 2>born people from Scranton Orfessional chafter and then he says,

671
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 2>my sister was born there also. This was the first

672
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>rabonus of my father. And then he says, when I

673
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>was a year old, we went to Reading, Pennsylvania. My

674
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>father was there, and then we went to Philadelphia and

675
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the Bronx. And then he tells us about the house

676
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the Epstein family in Scranton, and I know is in

677
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 2>the is in their house. And then he says this follows.

678
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 2>He says, when I in my books, when I want

679
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<v Speaker 2>to cite speak about a small town, like just a

680
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 2>small town as opposed to a big city like Washington, Washington,

681
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I give an example of Scranton. Actually also give Scranton

682
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<v Speaker 2>a paramus, like I said. He sayss like in one

683
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>of his books. He says, I feel, well, asa Scranton

684
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 2>or paramus. Uh so uh, that's what he uses. And

685
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>then he then he says in paramise, I was a

686
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 2>rabbi for a few years or by Gutterman, those who

687
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.920
<v Speaker 2>from Scranton. And remember by Gutterman, he didn't come to

688
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>my brisks for some reason. But he promised he'd come

689
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.760
<v Speaker 2>to my wedding, but uh In and he wasn't able

690
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 2>to come. And but we'll see. He doesn't say it

691
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 2>here that he didn't know about it, but the next

692
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:43.719
<v Speaker 2>letter he actually says that that he did not know

693
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 2>about this letter at all of his father. So that's

694
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 2>just a historical point that her Schachter came from Scranton

695
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.679
<v Speaker 2>as well. Now the next letter is also true. Schachter

696
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 2>and uh I have to tell you the background for

697
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 2>this letter. I asked Schachter if the only rabbis I

698
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>asked to publish that letters around Maszus and Rabbi Schachter,

699
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.960
<v Speaker 2>because some of the letters were maybe on the issues,

700
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.320
<v Speaker 2>not just a lochic issues. There's an assumption when you

701
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 2>get a letter from a rabbi, a lochic letter, he

702
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 2>assumes it's going to be made public. In fact, yeah,

703
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I think the big rabbis assume that every letter is

704
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>going to meet public, even a scuffle letters. But I

705
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 2>asked rab Maszuos and asked Reschecter about publishing letters, and

706
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.800
<v Speaker 2>they both said yes. However, I don't know if Schachter

707
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.880
<v Speaker 2>would agree with publishing this letter the next one. He

708
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:34.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't say anything what he gave him the book, but

709
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I think he might have been upset because of his modesty.

710
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.079
<v Speaker 2>But I felt it was important to publish, and so

711
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>I did. So let me tell you the story because

712
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it says a lot about the man as

713
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 2>an individual and people who know him as a person.

714
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.599
<v Speaker 2>There's many great rabbis who they're great in terms of learning,

715
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 2>but if you see them up close, you know things

716
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.079
<v Speaker 2>are not so good. The great ones when you see

717
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 2>them up close and you come away with the same impression.

718
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>We have many stories of a great tell me to coming,

719
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 2>but when you see them up close, you see the personalities.

720
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>There was difficult people. Everyone who knows herschel Schachter up

721
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 2>close speaks about him a very kind et cetera. But so,

722
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:22.800
<v Speaker 2>what's the Why am I telling you all this? Because

723
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>it's I think it's a very interesting story. I thought

724
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.400
<v Speaker 2>it was important to include the letter. He comes, as

725
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I said, every two months or so, used to come.

726
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Now they do it on zoom to my town to

727
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 2>give these shearms so sometimes I go if I'm around.

728
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 2>So this was in I think like four years ago,

729
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 2>so he came. It was before Paysach. He gave a

730
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.800
<v Speaker 2>sheer on Pasach. I've mentioned this before. I think it's

731
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.519
<v Speaker 2>one thing. When he comes in to give a shear

732
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 2>just to speak about issues, that's fine. I find it's

733
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 2>strange when they invited him in, like as the rabbi,

734
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 2>because there are local rebunny but so fine. But if

735
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 2>the as, I guess the rabbis will say, well, well

736
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>we're morel and you can ask him. But the problem

737
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 2>is U Schachter comes in and he sometimes says things

738
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 2>an opposition to what the rabbi said. And at that

739
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>night I mentioned this before he came in and he

740
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.199
<v Speaker 2>was asked about using the those listine strips on young Kipper.

741
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't pace off but the young for young Kipper because

742
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.199
<v Speaker 2>you could ask any question it was answer because the

743
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:23.559
<v Speaker 2>same thing. I guess it will be pace if it's

744
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.719
<v Speaker 2>mutter on Young Kipper's mutter on pace. Also it's not oha,

745
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 2>and he said it's permitted on Young Kipper. Uh, And

746
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:31.840
<v Speaker 2>that was indifferent than what people in the community had

747
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 2>been told. So you always run into these problems. But

748
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 2>after the class was over, someone asked me the person

749
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.039
<v Speaker 2>who runs it, he organizes it. He asked me out,

750
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 2>would I drive him back to uh New York. So

751
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:49.480
<v Speaker 2>it's not far. It's that time of night. You get

752
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:54.199
<v Speaker 2>to Washington Heights thirty minutes thirty five minutes from West Orange,

753
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.000
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey. So I said fine, Sure, I said fine.

754
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a big list here, especially because you can talk

755
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 2>all this time, and when you talk to Ruschefti hear

756
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.920
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of interesting things. He tells that it tells

757
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.760
<v Speaker 2>it like it is. So the few times I had

758
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.400
<v Speaker 2>spoken to him before that. So I said sure, I'll

759
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:16.440
<v Speaker 2>take him. And and I don't use I'm like the Rev,

760
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't use this third person. The rabbis in town

761
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>they speak to him in third person, like does the

762
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.599
<v Speaker 2>roseshiva say this? It's famous. They once ask the love this.

763
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Someone asked them what does the Russaeshiva think? And the

764
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 2>Rev was like, well, which roseshiva? And they said you,

765
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:31.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, which was shiva?

766
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 1>No you?

767
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.239
<v Speaker 2>So I said, so, why don't you say you in English?

768
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work like in German or Yiddish third person?

769
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 2>And you speak to the president, you speak first person

770
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 2>a second person, so it's a bit I can never

771
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 2>get into the third person unless you're trained in a

772
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.599
<v Speaker 2>certain yeshiva. But whatever, So we I have him in

773
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:54.840
<v Speaker 2>the car. Now, I've been driving for well, talking thirty

774
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 2>by that time, thirty five years or whatever. I've only

775
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.559
<v Speaker 2>had one fat in my entire life. I've had a

776
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 2>number of times that we all had where you come

777
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:06.800
<v Speaker 2>outside and maybe in the morning and you see the

778
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>tires a little low when you go and there's a

779
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:10.559
<v Speaker 2>nail in it. But actually on the road, it was

780
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.199
<v Speaker 2>like when I was nineteen in my town, just a

781
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 2>mile from the house, I've never had a flat. Well,

782
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and behold. I get him in the car and we're going.

783
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:19.639
<v Speaker 2>And right when we get on the highway to eighty

784
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 2>to eighty, if you know West Orange, it's that's the

785
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 2>road you'll take then to get to New York City.

786
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 2>So literally three minutes four minutes from the show, right

787
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:30.800
<v Speaker 2>when you get on too eighty go and behold a

788
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:33.039
<v Speaker 2>big noise. And this is like ten o'clock at night,

789
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>now ten to fifteen at night. And because we don't

790
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>have in my riv after the shear or the sheer

791
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.119
<v Speaker 2>went to like nine thirty and then to have my

792
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>riv and then people asking questions, and we didn't get

793
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 2>out of there till like ten or five after ten,

794
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 2>so maybe ten after ten. It was a big noise

795
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:49.280
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, you hear like the wheel going.

796
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.480
<v Speaker 2>So I pulled to the side and I get out

797
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, we have a flat. So so he says, okay,

798
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 2>so we have a flat. So I called the triple

799
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 2>A and I get into car and we're waiting fifteen

800
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes. We're talking, and then I realized that they

801
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 2>said it'll be like within an hour, but it's already

802
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.119
<v Speaker 2>now like ten thirty, ten forty or something. I'm like thinking,

803
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 2>this is not such a good idea. So I tell

804
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.280
<v Speaker 2>him I'm gonna because I said, with the time they

805
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>get here or might be after eleven. And I said,

806
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call my friend, the guy who asked me

807
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 2>to drive you and say I have a flat to

808
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.599
<v Speaker 2>take you home. And he says, no, I don't want

809
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 2>you to do that. He said, why not? He says,

810
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.079
<v Speaker 2>because I'm not going to leave you here on the

811
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:32.400
<v Speaker 2>side of the road all by yourself.

812
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:33.800
<v Speaker 3>So we sit.

813
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.880
<v Speaker 2>We sit for a little while longer, and and you know,

814
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>he has to be up early in the morning, he

815
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 2>has to give sheer. So I'm like, no, this is crazy.

816
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>So I say to him, I'm calling I'm calling him up.

817
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 2>He has to take you. This makes no sense. So

818
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>we get an argument. He says, no, it's not right,

819
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 2>it's not I can't leave it. I said no. I said, well, well,

820
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go home. Don't bring me. I'm five

821
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 2>minutes from home once they change the tire. But you're

822
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:58.360
<v Speaker 2>not going to get home. It's not going to be

823
00:47:58.400 --> 00:47:59.760
<v Speaker 2>to after a minute. You got to be up Berlin

824
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 2>a more. You have to do a share. So I

825
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 2>convinced him. I convinced him to to So I called

826
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 2>got on the phone and I called this guy and

827
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.400
<v Speaker 2>he comes and he picks him up. He gets there,

828
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:13.039
<v Speaker 2>I coast to eleven or so or a quarter to eleven.

829
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 2>He picks him up and takes them home. And then

830
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.679
<v Speaker 2>then the guy triple A came like eleven fifteen, didn't

831
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I tire. I went home. A couple of weeks after that.

832
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>I told him about the things I'm writing in the

833
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Swaran blog. So I sent him something I wrote and

834
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.280
<v Speaker 2>he writes back to me cavodi kiri, he says. The

835
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.840
<v Speaker 2>first thing he says, am, I am very thankful to

836
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 2>you that you volunteered to bring me to New York.

837
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Who meets the air on the alsha. This is two

838
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 2>weeks later, he says, I I'm sorry he's still feeling

839
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.960
<v Speaker 2>sorry that I left you in the middle of the road.

840
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.599
<v Speaker 2>Lojayaze min animos. That was wrong. I shouldn't have done it.

841
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>In other words, it not wasn't respectful. I think that's

842
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:58.239
<v Speaker 2>an incredible thing. I know, I think re check to

843
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 2>probably wouldn't want that included here because but I think

844
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it's important for the people to see that this is

845
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.159
<v Speaker 2>a goudabe serle who has so much on his mining.

846
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>People are calling him day and night. He's giving me

847
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.840
<v Speaker 2>share him day and night. And two weeks later, the

848
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 2>first thing saying is I had to force him to

849
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.320
<v Speaker 2>get in the car. Basically is that it still is

850
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 2>bothering him and that he's upset that he left me

851
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.119
<v Speaker 2>on the road. And I think that says something about

852
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.079
<v Speaker 2>his citcus that because I know many rabbis one thing

853
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 2>twice and wouldn't bother them. Maybe at the time, not later.

854
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 2>This letter I think is important to show the me

855
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:40.360
<v Speaker 2>do't the ethical characteristics of this great yeshivah rosseshiva That

856
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>weeks later, it still is bothering him, and he's upset

857
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:45.400
<v Speaker 2>that he left me, even though of course he should

858
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:46.800
<v Speaker 2>have left me. What is he gonna do? He has

859
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:48.079
<v Speaker 2>to be up early in the morning, he has to

860
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:49.840
<v Speaker 2>teach all day. What's he how is that gonna I'm

861
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 2>a big boy. I can wait for the UH, for

862
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.159
<v Speaker 2>the uh guy, the triple A to come UH. So

863
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:58.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that this I I didn't ask him about

864
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>when he had I didn't ask him in particular this

865
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:02.719
<v Speaker 2>letter because I thought he probably say, don't include it

866
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 2>because he's a onn of But I think it's important

867
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.159
<v Speaker 2>for our community to see this. And then he says,

868
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.679
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for what you sent me. I

869
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 2>sent him a post dealing with the Davar Avraham the

870
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.159
<v Speaker 2>roof of Coveno, and then thank you again for what

871
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.639
<v Speaker 2>you sent me about my father, which I still haven't studied.

872
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 2>And I'm very thankful because I didn't know it all

873
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 2>from this. So this is just a small letter. I

874
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.840
<v Speaker 2>called it I Gerrit Shallom, but I think it's important

875
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and for our community to know who who he is,

876
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:39.400
<v Speaker 2>especially since so many people like to attack him for

877
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 2>positions that they don't like, which is fine, you can disagree.

878
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 2>But I sent him something where I expressed a different opinion,

879
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:50.679
<v Speaker 2>or I cited someone who expressed a different opinion. This

880
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.159
<v Speaker 2>is a lotic issue having to do with Corona. And

881
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 2>he says, he said, thank you for sendement. I never

882
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.440
<v Speaker 2>said accept my opinion. I give my opinion if people

883
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 2>want to. He wrote this to me, it'll be in

884
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 2>volume two. He said, if people want to accept my opinion,

885
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:07.719
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. But I never said Kibu did accept my opinion.

886
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:10.079
<v Speaker 2>That's like the rev used to be like that. Okay,

887
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 2>we had time for one more. No, actually we don't

888
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>have time because this will take a few minutes. The

889
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 2>next Schouvan it's the last one we're going to have

890
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.239
<v Speaker 2>from the Rabbi Mazous. We've seen so many from the Mazous.

891
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I've introduced you to Robert Mazus, an interesting figure that

892
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.079
<v Speaker 2>many of you hadn't heard of. He was in the

893
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 2>news just yesterday because of the election. He said as follows.

894
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Someone asked me who he supports as Prime ministry. Supports

895
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 2>in the Tan Yahoo, but not in terms of political party.

896
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 2>So so he said in his Saturday Nights here, if

897
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 2>you're a Ben Torah, that is Yeshiva student, I guess

898
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you should vote for one of the Haredi parties. But

899
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.159
<v Speaker 2>if you don't want to vote for the Haradi parties,

900
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 2>then vote for the Religious Zionist party. The problem with

901
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 2>the Religious Sionist Party is they got this. They made

902
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:03.199
<v Speaker 2>this these technical coalitions where you have this u kahanis

903
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:05.719
<v Speaker 2>they're not it's not one party, but they joined together

904
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:09.000
<v Speaker 2>to pass the it's just as a technical thing. So

905
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.719
<v Speaker 2>they join the votes together to pass the level limit

906
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 2>that you can get into Knesset. So that's that. That also,

907
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:20.079
<v Speaker 2>he said, some strange things smoke trich but but so

908
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.199
<v Speaker 2>here you have the Mazu saying, if you don't want

909
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to vote Karadi, vote vote for the Religious Zionists. And

910
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:29.960
<v Speaker 2>it could be the Religious Zionists is going to get

911
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.239
<v Speaker 2>more votes than they think. Apparently many Karadi are disillusioned. Yankee,

912
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.360
<v Speaker 2>the grandson of Rachaem Konevski, says that you have to

913
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:40.199
<v Speaker 2>vote for the Karadi party to show your member of

914
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the community. It doesn't matter what they do, how good

915
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 2>a party they are, just to show your community, so

916
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Speaker 2>we will see what that does. So let me then,

917
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.519
<v Speaker 2>well it's nine twenty five, so you we can take

918
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:56.159
<v Speaker 2>the questions now and the comments. So we're going to

919
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.079
<v Speaker 2>pick up just so you see next time the last

920
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 2>thing from mazu ose getting us into a little bit

921
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 2>of maybe higher criticism of the talmud coming from Rabbi

922
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Musus and how this is relevant to other adders, and

923
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 2>then we'll see Robe and Rappaport Professor Yakov Lewinger. We're

924
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 2>into a new section beginning next week. We only have

925
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.199
<v Speaker 2>about forty pages to go, dealing with books and authors,

926
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna hear about all about the art scroll

927
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:31.760
<v Speaker 2>forgery or it's just say, censorship of Rashomo Yosef, other

928
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 2>interesting stuff. But we're coming to the end. I said,

929
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we'll get to fifty five, but maybe fifty.

930
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.079
<v Speaker 2>But we still have lots of interesting stuff. So let

931
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:45.280
<v Speaker 2>me go back now to the questions. We'll start at

932
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:49.639
<v Speaker 2>the beginning here. David says, since one may not prepare

933
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:54.079
<v Speaker 2>the saltwater prior to yomtov Ah, very nice. Buying it

934
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 2>this year is one last thing to repair before the satyr.

935
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I bet you though it'll be back next year and

936
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 2>every year. Barr says, basketball was invented in the US.

937
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Don't think it was big and your point and he says,

938
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.800
<v Speaker 2>jumping around. The story is told his basketball. Look, it's possible.

939
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 2>It's possible that he saw the people, the irreligious people

940
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 2>of playing and he said it. But the story in

941
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:18.440
<v Speaker 2>the Halls of Yu, the story deals with the Yu guys.

942
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.119
<v Speaker 2>I already showed you the yearbook. They Yu had a

943
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.719
<v Speaker 2>tennis team, they had a basketball team, hit all these things.

944
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.960
<v Speaker 2>It was real sports. Barr says, is this the Rabbad

945
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.639
<v Speaker 2>ideas similar to Christian doctrine of Jesus? At first, no,

946
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.599
<v Speaker 2>because they well maybe well they do say that the

947
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:41.800
<v Speaker 2>tomb is empty, uh, but they do believe he was

948
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:45.239
<v Speaker 2>killed and then he was raised. So that's but this

949
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Rabbad doctrine, this strange Rabbad doctrine, says losh know de Ganisa.

950
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:54.599
<v Speaker 2>It's like Hanoch over Earlyiahu, that sort of thing. And

951
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.320
<v Speaker 2>this is but you have it's called occultation the Shiah.

952
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.800
<v Speaker 2>You wait for the final, the Mahdi, the finally mom

953
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:03.960
<v Speaker 2>who's going to be brought back. And this is an

954
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.840
<v Speaker 2>important for another reason. Bernard Lewis pointed this out that

955
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:13.320
<v Speaker 2>before he died, well, this is when Ahmadenijad was president.

956
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 2>With the Soviets, we always knew that there was a

957
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:21.039
<v Speaker 2>mutual assured destruction. They're Communists, so they don't believe in

958
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.159
<v Speaker 2>afterlife or anything like that, and they don't want to die,

959
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 2>so they knew that if they want a nuclear bomb

960
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.079
<v Speaker 2>on us, we'd want a nuclear bomb with them. So

961
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>at least you can understand where each one was and

962
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you could be assured that they're not interested in committing suicide.

963
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 2>The problem with the Iranians is and Ahmedenijad was a

964
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Speaker 2>member of a group, this religious sort of group that

965
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.840
<v Speaker 2>believes in working for the working to bring Mashiach, that is,

966
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:49.320
<v Speaker 2>working for the return of the losty Mom. And one

967
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 2>of the ways that they think that they could bring

968
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.800
<v Speaker 2>him is if the world becomes in such a difficult circumstances,

969
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.719
<v Speaker 2>if there's a great conflagration, or through martyrdom. There's all

970
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.679
<v Speaker 2>certain ways. So if you have people who really believe

971
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 2>that we can help bring them you know the hidden

972
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:06.880
<v Speaker 2>me mom, and that if we were to let's say,

973
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:10.239
<v Speaker 2>launch a nuclear weapon on Israel and Israel would respond

974
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:12.400
<v Speaker 2>by launching it on us, and that will create we

975
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.480
<v Speaker 2>cleanse the Holy Land of the infidel, and we all

976
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:17.159
<v Speaker 2>this martyr dom. In other words, this is the sort

977
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.920
<v Speaker 2>of thing Lewis said that could help bring the final

978
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's creating this apocalypse. It could bring the

979
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>last d mom. And we know they're willing to commit

980
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.679
<v Speaker 2>suicide and kill themselves. We've seen it again and again,

981
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 2>so you know, just simply like you hear people say, well,

982
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:34.199
<v Speaker 2>who cares if they have nuclear weapon? They know they

983
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 2>can't use it because they know that they'll be destroyed

984
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:41.239
<v Speaker 2>by Israel or America. Who says said, maybe that's exactly

985
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:43.920
<v Speaker 2>what they want. They want, especially Armadenijad, who was a

986
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.079
<v Speaker 2>member of this group that would wanted to help bring

987
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:49.760
<v Speaker 2>through their actions, they thought they could bring the hiddeny mom.

988
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>So when people who believe in suicide as the service

989
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.079
<v Speaker 2>of God, you don't want to give them the opportunity

990
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:02.119
<v Speaker 2>to do that, I would say, yes, thank you Mel

991
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 2>for pointing it out. Bars what I'm told is that

992
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.519
<v Speaker 2>the people in India. You probably have some in Israel

993
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:09.599
<v Speaker 2>as well, but the people in India are known as

994
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the real crazy ones in this respect. I've met RaBaD

995
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 2>rabbis who say that they don't even consider them rabbad.

996
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:18.679
<v Speaker 2>They speak of them as I don't know if the

997
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>people who were with me on a couple of years

998
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:22.320
<v Speaker 2>ago in Centre Europe, I don't know if you're here,

999
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.719
<v Speaker 2>were in the Savor Tarifl. That's how you remember when

1000
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the Savor tterifle. So there was a big habad rabbit

1001
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.559
<v Speaker 2>from California who was there that weekend as well, and

1002
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:33.719
<v Speaker 2>he said to me, they're not even RaBaD so there,

1003
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anything like these people. And but loook,

1004
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:41.639
<v Speaker 2>I hate there and everyone goes there and they try

1005
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:43.480
<v Speaker 2>to avoid that unless you hold idea have burger that

1006
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 2>you can't eat their food. But I didn't go that

1007
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.840
<v Speaker 2>far and show you them a serious Nephish. I had

1008
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 2>extra chocolate which I brought, so I know they keep

1009
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Paul Vistra, which is a huge and serious nephishir. But

1010
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.679
<v Speaker 2>I gave it to them because they have all these

1011
00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Israelis there. The reason Abados is in the bad neighborhood

1012
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.159
<v Speaker 2>that the poor neighborhood is because these Israelis can't afford

1013
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.440
<v Speaker 2>anything to stay at these chief hostels. So I gave

1014
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.519
<v Speaker 2>it to him, thinking, you know, you'd give it to

1015
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>some of these Israelis you have some closher food, hardly

1016
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.280
<v Speaker 2>any of them ashell mashabas or anything. Some of them

1017
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:10.920
<v Speaker 2>you do find some religious ones, but most or not.

1018
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.960
<v Speaker 2>And he said, well, it's not calvitralos, so we can't

1019
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:15.559
<v Speaker 2>use that. I said, but you can give it to people.

1020
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:17.559
<v Speaker 2>He said, no, he'll give it to the non Jewish worker.

1021
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:20.960
<v Speaker 2>And that's what he did when I was there. It's

1022
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.840
<v Speaker 2>really sad. You know, all these Israelis they're there, they're searching,

1023
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.079
<v Speaker 2>they're these there's villages there which are full of Israelis.

1024
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.119
<v Speaker 2>They're looking for something which obviously they don't find in Judaism.

1025
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.800
<v Speaker 2>At the Shabist table, there even was a guy. He

1026
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.119
<v Speaker 2>rode his motorcycle right up to the rabbat house. He's

1027
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:40.679
<v Speaker 2>his father is a is decently well known. He told me.

1028
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I never heard of it, but his father is decently

1029
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 2>well known in the religiou Zionist world. He runs a school.

1030
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:47.760
<v Speaker 2>So you have even from religious people who are not

1031
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 2>religious anymore. But he told me about he had visited

1032
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:55.039
<v Speaker 2>that week. There's an Israeli who was caught smuggling drugs

1033
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.039
<v Speaker 2>and from Nepal and it's been like three years then

1034
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.840
<v Speaker 2>he still hasn't come to trial. Is being held up

1035
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:03.719
<v Speaker 2>in some prison near the border, and he took his

1036
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.320
<v Speaker 2>motorcycle to go visit him. I mean, you have all

1037
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:10.519
<v Speaker 2>sorts of cases like this where people just chews caught

1038
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 2>in terrible situations. Schmol says, how do the gis go

1039
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.480
<v Speaker 2>from the iron being hidden to applying that to human being?

1040
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Is there any source that applies such a concept to

1041
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:24.679
<v Speaker 2>a righteous person? Well, they try to derive it from

1042
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:28.000
<v Speaker 2>something the Rebbe said in his in one of his

1043
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:31.360
<v Speaker 2>seat about the nasihador, But really do they need the

1044
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:34.920
<v Speaker 2>prince of the generation? But do they need to have

1045
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:38.000
<v Speaker 2>a source? They assume already by definition at the Rebbe's

1046
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.960
<v Speaker 2>so he can't die. They assume it's at least they

1047
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:45.320
<v Speaker 2>assume I guess, of course, can die but then be resurrected.

1048
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.639
<v Speaker 2>But they assume because understand their attitude is like he

1049
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:54.880
<v Speaker 2>controls the world and that nothing happens without the Rebbey's approval,

1050
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 2>and that you can turn to the Rebbe and he'll

1051
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 2>do things for you. I mean they view him as

1052
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:01.519
<v Speaker 2>a kin't It's almost like he's part of the Godhead

1053
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:07.280
<v Speaker 2>in their understanding of it, so, David says, here's a

1054
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 2>similar quote from ervin thirteen. D uh, anyone who chases

1055
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>after good goodua runs away from him. So, but that's

1056
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.800
<v Speaker 2>not cove. That's not the exact phrase Covid, although it

1057
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:22.079
<v Speaker 2>means sort of the same thing. Borrow said, how much

1058
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 2>of the letters come from the rebbie how much from

1059
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:28.800
<v Speaker 2>a secretary's I think the rebbe definitely write it over

1060
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:30.920
<v Speaker 2>because it has his handwriting in it. I assume he

1061
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.679
<v Speaker 2>dictated it to him, but I I don't know how

1062
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:39.519
<v Speaker 2>much he didn't. He didn't type it up. He wasn't

1063
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:41.840
<v Speaker 2>doing that himself, typing it up. It's a good question.

1064
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask, in fact, the author of that book.

1065
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I'll get to the report for next week, David Zakokowski,

1066
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 2>who wrote it?

1067
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 4>He?

1068
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, when he's writing to people, when he's writing

1069
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.320
<v Speaker 2>to my father, he's talking about historical thing. He's not

1070
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.559
<v Speaker 2>giving it to someone else. The typical letters, which don't

1071
01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.079
<v Speaker 2>say very much like the letter I got. I'm assumed

1072
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:03.880
<v Speaker 2>that the secretary wrote it. He just signed it. But

1073
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.559
<v Speaker 2>I'll ask. But you can see in many of these

1074
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.159
<v Speaker 2>letters they're personal letters. So he dictated it to him.

1075
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't think he. Maybe he wrote it

1076
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.639
<v Speaker 2>in long hand. I will ask, though it's it's a

1077
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:23.199
<v Speaker 2>good question. I don't know. David says, the legal term

1078
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:26.320
<v Speaker 2>for agent and Israeli agency, well is schuim. Not so

1079
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:30.639
<v Speaker 2>in sixty five it was still schurim. But David says,

1080
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Schlikraim in Hebrew offer first to the apostles of Jesus,

1081
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and not Jesus himself, as per the polemical text in

1082
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:39.639
<v Speaker 2>the Hagadavo a YadA a Shuliach. I didn't know that

1083
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Speaker 2>that was polemical. I never assumed that. But maybe what

1084
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned about Shuhim and Hebrew referring to the apostle

1085
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:48.320
<v Speaker 2>of Jesus. In fact, rab By Mazou says that the

1086
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:52.000
<v Speaker 2>reason in Ribbinic Hebrew they the pooral of Shriach is

1087
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.599
<v Speaker 2>schruach Shurim and not Shlichrim, is precisely because of what

1088
01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:59.159
<v Speaker 2>David says, that Schlichriim refers to the apostle of Jesus.

1089
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.239
<v Speaker 2>But to which I have said, I wrote this in

1090
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:05.000
<v Speaker 2>print that I have found no evidence whatsoever that in

1091
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.639
<v Speaker 2>the days of the Mishnah, that or in the days

1092
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:12.039
<v Speaker 2>even in Earlierbinic literature, that that's what they referred to

1093
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the apostles as in other words, so therefore the mishnah,

1094
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:18.760
<v Speaker 2>would you schuhim ave, I don't believe that that is

1095
01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:24.320
<v Speaker 2>found until at least medieval period. Rabaike Helma said he

1096
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.159
<v Speaker 2>is a supposed to be in vircial Schachter for four

1097
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 2>years before he was famous. Mel says that Rabbi David

1098
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Kat spoke about doctor Montalto yesterday and pointed out that

1099
01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:34.760
<v Speaker 2>when he was summoned to treat French royalty on Shavis,

1100
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:37.239
<v Speaker 2>he was driven there in a carriage by a nanjou.

1101
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:38.960
<v Speaker 2>He was attacked for doing what he did, and wrote

1102
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.719
<v Speaker 2>a shuva defending what he did. The problem is, I

1103
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.519
<v Speaker 2>don't know who doctor Montalto is, so if you can

1104
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:49.239
<v Speaker 2>tell me who uh Rabbi Montalto, who wrote a chuva?

1105
01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who that is, so maybe you can

1106
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 2>tell me Mel him I've never heard of. And Rabi

1107
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Kelman says that he followed of Shachter's view in Toronto

1108
01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that although it's not a popular view in Toronto among

1109
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:03.039
<v Speaker 2>the rabbi is that to speak together with a reform rabbi,

1110
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.519
<v Speaker 2>the reform rabbi gives his position, and then you give

1111
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 2>your position. The tower position. Barral says a doctor treating

1112
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:14.039
<v Speaker 2>royalty is not necessarily the same as fine to Olympics

1113
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:16.280
<v Speaker 2>on Shabas. He didn't fight Olympics of Shabas. He flew

1114
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:19.039
<v Speaker 2>back before Shabas and then he had to walk up.

1115
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 2>But I said, if a car came to him because

1116
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:24.440
<v Speaker 2>he was summoned, I believe that any post Sake, and

1117
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I've asked a few rabbis would say if if Putin

1118
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:30.280
<v Speaker 2>summons you and says he wants you coming here, of

1119
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.239
<v Speaker 2>course you do that. It's a rabbinic prohibition. And the

1120
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:37.320
<v Speaker 2>po nephesh that we allow all sorts of things. I said, we, uh,

1121
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:41.320
<v Speaker 2>we treat patients, not just da rosa. Uh So I

1122
01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:45.599
<v Speaker 2>have no doubt that any posts overlander him. Not and

1123
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Rebbi was himself as Atma, so he doesn't need h

1124
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:53.280
<v Speaker 2>anyone else. But uh, I mean, he can side himself.

1125
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.599
<v Speaker 2>But I have no doubt that any post Sak would

1126
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.000
<v Speaker 2>And I know post Scheme have told people like zach

1127
01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Kim and others. They and these are people who positions

1128
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.719
<v Speaker 2>are not at anywhere near the level of Putin. Remember

1129
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:05.800
<v Speaker 2>of the Lazarre Lazar could pick up the phone and

1130
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:10.559
<v Speaker 2>call Putin and get through to him. It's David says.

1131
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:12.679
<v Speaker 2>The question I have is with the Rove today postulated

1132
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.159
<v Speaker 2>in the fifties, that's preferable to miss Tis the chauffeur.

1133
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Then here it in a conservative show. Perhaps this view

1134
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:19.639
<v Speaker 2>stem during a time of mon Orthodox who was facing

1135
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.559
<v Speaker 2>extinction being swallowed up by conservative movement, whereas no lore

1136
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 2>concern both in the light of the rise of Orthodoxy

1137
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and the Wayne and Conservan movement. I think ref Schechter

1138
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that's his position that I don't think he says he's

1139
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:30.559
<v Speaker 2>disagreeing with the rov I think he says that today

1140
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.400
<v Speaker 2>we're not giving them legitimacy. First of all, they don't

1141
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.320
<v Speaker 2>need our legitimacy. And it's not a battle anymore. They're

1142
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:39.920
<v Speaker 2>the ones who are declining. It's we're not in a struggle.

1143
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:45.159
<v Speaker 2>In the fifties, Orthodoxy was in the minority, and it

1144
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.280
<v Speaker 2>looked like the future was with the Conservative movement, and

1145
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:51.320
<v Speaker 2>you had many of the younger generation, including children of rabbis.

1146
01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:53.199
<v Speaker 2>If you look at the rabbinical school in the seminary

1147
01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:55.239
<v Speaker 2>in the forties and fifties, most of them came from

1148
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox homes, even from most of them came from Yeshiva College.

1149
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:00.599
<v Speaker 2>I think in the nineteen forties, I have the figures

1150
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:06.159
<v Speaker 2>in the Libraman book. So it's very different today. And

1151
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Habad doesn't have that issue either. They have no uh.

1152
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.320
<v Speaker 2>I spoke when I in New London, Connecticut. This is

1153
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.280
<v Speaker 2>taking back to nineteen ninety six when I was teaching

1154
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:16.960
<v Speaker 2>at Yukon. I was invited to e vent There it

1155
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.280
<v Speaker 2>was I think it was a reform snega, not a conservative.

1156
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was conservative and it was me, the Habad

1157
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.320
<v Speaker 2>rabbi and the conservative and we each gave our talk

1158
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:29.559
<v Speaker 2>and no one thought we're giving them legitimacy. That's why

1159
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Lee moved. We moved in England. The Garadi Rabbi is

1160
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:35.280
<v Speaker 2>very opposed to it. But Schachter said, when I was

1161
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:37.320
<v Speaker 2>at the firstly Mood conference because I was inviter, I

1162
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Brander was there and I said, I asked for Schachter

1163
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 2>of Shachter said, oh, it's very important. So that's I

1164
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:44.800
<v Speaker 2>this idea. And today if you go to the Adam

1165
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Furzer has an article. If you go out west, let's

1166
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.800
<v Speaker 2>say you go to places like Denver, texas the Haredi

1167
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:54.039
<v Speaker 2>co os the Lakewood colos are doing classes a conservative

1168
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:58.360
<v Speaker 2>synagogues and reform synagogues. It's everyone is concluded that today

1169
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:02.440
<v Speaker 2>this is not an issue. Borah says, was I named

1170
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:03.639
<v Speaker 2>after someone whose named Melach?

1171
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:03.840
<v Speaker 1>No?

1172
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I was not named after melahor Malcolm. My parents just

1173
01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:10.320
<v Speaker 2>like the name. I mean Malcol. They figure Malca, so

1174
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:15.079
<v Speaker 2>why not Malach. But there's a Meleach, this one off

1175
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:19.800
<v Speaker 2>from the people from Tink. He's a he. His son

1176
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.159
<v Speaker 2>is the one who this one off, so you can see.

1177
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:29.000
<v Speaker 2>He's Garrett Sedeka. But his wife is from a Yiddishist background.

1178
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:33.039
<v Speaker 2>It's their son who translated Harry Potter into Yiddish. They

1179
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:34.679
<v Speaker 2>made such a big deal about it. But Melech, his

1180
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:37.639
<v Speaker 2>name is Mela also, and we're Meyoch together. It won't behold.

1181
01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I run into him in India where he was on sabbatical.

1182
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 2>But anyone who lives in Teeneck knows Meyochem and a

1183
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:48.599
<v Speaker 2>great great Jew, so I'm happy that we share that name.

1184
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Barry says, there Amel Schachtter was my teacher of Ordea.

1185
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:53.800
<v Speaker 2>He taught me how to sign my name properly as

1186
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:56.039
<v Speaker 2>a witness and aid when he was in Sara conditioner,

1187
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and I said he was also an expert in conversion.

1188
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 2>And how many years ago was the flat tire? The

1189
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:04.039
<v Speaker 2>flat tire was about four five years ago. I think

1190
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.800
<v Speaker 2>it was five years ago. He doesn't have the name

1191
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the date on the h the juve i just has

1192
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.920
<v Speaker 2>a date, not the year. David's apropos. Addressing rabbis and

1193
01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:16.400
<v Speaker 2>the third person, a student in Hertzione asked his friend

1194
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.199
<v Speaker 2>named Iron, Hey, Iron, what's the time? Where let's see

1195
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:20.719
<v Speaker 2>it was a near shut of the two students immediately

1196
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:22.599
<v Speaker 2>after soon asked his friend records seeing Immediately chimed in

1197
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and told the students what was the time? Rabbi Wineberg

1198
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:27.920
<v Speaker 2>tells the story, tells a story about they were baking

1199
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:31.559
<v Speaker 2>monsters with it's all a blauser and someone says he

1200
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.119
<v Speaker 2>it's luck to one of his friends, and it answers

1201
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the question, Jay Yellen, our good friend Rubyakov I had

1202
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:44.159
<v Speaker 2>the honor and pleasure of sitting next to Rabbi Schachtra

1203
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:46.719
<v Speaker 2>and ou dinner in la in twenty fourteen. First, he

1204
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:50.760
<v Speaker 2>behaved exactly to describe warm, friendly, and even occasionally funny. Also,

1205
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:52.719
<v Speaker 2>my first wife had died a number of months before

1206
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:54.400
<v Speaker 2>the dinner we used to attend, I know ou West

1207
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Coast together or a Schachter found out that, during of

1208
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.360
<v Speaker 2>course our conversation he was incredibly kind of ready to

1209
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.400
<v Speaker 2>come great. I had a great comfort and rama. I'm

1210
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.440
<v Speaker 2>quite certain he would not remember the conversation at dinner,

1211
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:05.599
<v Speaker 2>but I will never forget it. Thank you for recording that.

1212
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:09.239
<v Speaker 2>And Schwolz says, do I offer the background to the letter? Yeah?

1213
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I do offer the background, otherwise people wouldn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>it's about. Zahav says a few more questions. Israel. Noel

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<v Speaker 2>writes about the idea of resurrection at the start of

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<v Speaker 2>the first millennium in regard to a Jewish general successful

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<v Speaker 2>for about three years then killed, and seems to suggest

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<v Speaker 2>that it is where what became the Christian sect got

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<v Speaker 2>it from there. There there are some things that there's

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<v Speaker 2>another text. I think maybe that's what he's referring to,

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<v Speaker 2>of a of a resurrected Messianic figure. So we do

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<v Speaker 2>have a few passages like that, not mainstream sort of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But Rabbi Sandy Schulna says, at the time of the

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<v Speaker 2>depression JTS and why you almost merged, Yeah, that you

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<v Speaker 2>can look in one of our Kafat's articles. He has

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<v Speaker 2>all the primary documents on this. The sticking point was

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<v Speaker 2>Mortorgai Kaplan. Finkelstein refused to get Rudmorta Kai Kaplin. If

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<v Speaker 2>fink Olstein would have got the rumort Ki Kaplin, they

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<v Speaker 2>could have because in the seminary was still committed to

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<v Speaker 2>Hawaja and the differences were not that much. Probably, and

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday was Sol Liberman's York site. I did not know

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<v Speaker 2>that when we finished with these classes, I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>many classes, not this many, maybe six, five or six

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<v Speaker 2>on Soul Liberman. He died on the plane on the

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<v Speaker 2>way back to Ericisterral he died. If I should now,

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<v Speaker 2>my teacher of Aaron Rothcoffe told us at BMT that

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<v Speaker 2>JTS and why you came co to Merger. Yes, it

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<v Speaker 2>was because of the money situation. I think the attitude

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<v Speaker 2>was that JTS the rabbinic would be absorbed and the

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<v Speaker 2>scholarship that was fine. So you'd have, like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>Bernard Revels that would be seminary. At that time, you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have any real theological issues that were really distinguishing them.

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<v Speaker 2>Bark I didn't give the example of flying to the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, if he was summoned and he had to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, or then I gave a different example. If

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<v Speaker 2>the car pulls up on Shabis and says that Putin

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<v Speaker 2>wants you, Rabbizar, that that that's there's no post tak,

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<v Speaker 2>you would say not to do that. What I said

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<v Speaker 2>was that he food of the Olympics and when he

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<v Speaker 2>came back he had to then walk home and all

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<v Speaker 2>the Missnagdi mocked him and saying, what kind of rabbi

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<v Speaker 2>is this?

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<v Speaker 4>That?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>You know Ari of Schabas, he's at the Olympics and

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<v Speaker 2>not understanding that when Putin asks you to come there

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<v Speaker 2>you go. We have no idea what goes on behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes in Russia. How many people in Wizar has

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<v Speaker 2>been able to help and because of his close relationship

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<v Speaker 2>to to Putin. Doctor Montalto was a famous converser. Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>left Portugal and f flod to.

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<v Speaker 1>Judy is.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now I remember he went to He ended up

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<v Speaker 2>in Istanbul, if I if I recall correctly, he went,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was not able to write at Chuva. Yes

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<v Speaker 2>he he uh if anything, he got some rabbi and

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<v Speaker 2>he ended up in correct men, he ended up in Istanbul.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it was. Yes, oh, yes, okay. And finally

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<v Speaker 2>the last question, can I repeat the source of the

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<v Speaker 2>material you referred to about the respective merger of JTS

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<v Speaker 2>and YU. Well, you can read about it in a

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<v Speaker 2>few different places, but the primary documents, there's this annual

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<v Speaker 2>called Michael Michael. It doesn't appear anymore. It came off

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<v Speaker 2>from Televiv University and Aaron Rakkeeffet. Most of his stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is more of like the rabbinic stuff, quasi bigiography some

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But that's a pure academic article in which

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<v Speaker 2>he publishes the original documents from the YU side about

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<v Speaker 2>the discussions about the merger between jts and and YU.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, Kaplan was a sticking point. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that if it wasn't for Kaplan they would have

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<v Speaker 2>been able to in the end do it because the

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<v Speaker 2>Roushi Yeshiva would have put up a fight. The question

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<v Speaker 2>is how important are the Russia Ashiva in determining things?

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<v Speaker 2>The Russia Ashiva have put up fights about lots of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Put up a fight about changing the charter of YU.

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<v Speaker 2>They put up a fight every year. They'd have this

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<v Speaker 2>like a social where they called the deans something or

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<v Speaker 2>another where the boys and girls were to come together

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<v Speaker 2>the Ashiyashiva. I have done lots of things and they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't had the They didn't control it. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if in the end, but we don't know, but

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<v Speaker 2>what would have happened, But that was always the sticking point.

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<v Speaker 2>Mortora Kaplan by Hertzog came to America during the war years.

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<v Speaker 2>He refused to step foot into I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>during the Warriors. He came one time Warriors was after

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<v Speaker 2>he refused to step foot in the seminary even though

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<v Speaker 2>Saul Ribman was there, because he said he cannot step

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<v Speaker 2>foot in the building. That allows Mortora Kaplan to teach

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<v Speaker 2>implication being a kapain wasn't there. At least he could

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<v Speaker 2>have stepped in to go visit Lieberman. You'll see when

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<v Speaker 2>we finished with these things and we do sel Lieberman.

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<v Speaker 2>It appears at least mortor Haik Kaplan claimed that sel

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<v Speaker 2>Leiberman held to the Haram while they were at the seminary,

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<v Speaker 2>at least for a certain time on him. So okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So finally the last thing now says a cat's quote

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<v Speaker 2>that you've written by Montalto, and so they probably had

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<v Speaker 2>helped writing it. He must have had help. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor like this. But I'll have to investigate this.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sandy says, should know Rabbi Gerson Cohen moved the

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<v Speaker 2>portrait of Caplain so and Cohen spoke, Kaplan's portrait was there.

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<v Speaker 2>All I can tell you about Gerson Cohen is that

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<v Speaker 2>traditionalist rabbis. Just give you an example, David Feldman, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you're saying it that he he he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>see the portrait of Captain. I'm assuming that's what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi David Feldman, the father of Rabbie Feldman of hy

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<v Speaker 2>You in fact refshach. Here's something I think I could

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<v Speaker 2>say this because pub knowledge, everyone went to the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>center of ten Neck would have seen it. He told

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<v Speaker 2>his son. Rabbi Feldman's son is Daniel Filman, a big,

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<v Speaker 2>big Tom mclachelm Bucky. He'll be a russiashiva. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's a rasheva now that he could dovin in his

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<v Speaker 2>father's shoal conservative show as long as he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there weren't because it was it was It wasn't egalitarian,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just conservative. There's no Maritza, but that he

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<v Speaker 2>should find a place where there's no women around, and

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<v Speaker 2>dovinaire out of keybod of for his father, respect for

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<v Speaker 2>his father, he should find a place. And then that's

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<v Speaker 2>sock therev Maybe the Rove would have given it privately, publicly,

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<v Speaker 2>he never would have said something like that this. David

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<v Speaker 2>Felman also was a very fine time of Hoffling wrote

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<v Speaker 2>the standard book on birth control and Jewish Law, which

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<v Speaker 2>you could read like any Orthodox work. But David Felman

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<v Speaker 2>said that gers Son Cohen was a secularist. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying it, that's what That's what David Felman said. So

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<v Speaker 2>Gersn Cohen's approach to Judy is and now Feldman, of

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<v Speaker 2>course was on the right wing group that fought Cohen

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<v Speaker 2>over women, rabbis and all that thing. But they there

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<v Speaker 2>was no love lost between the conservative sides. And you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Gerson Cohen loved Kaplin. A lot of people

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01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:00.960
<v Speaker 2>loved Kaplin. He had a big following. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons that Finkelstein rid of him. Also Finkelstein loved him.

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<v Speaker 2>Finklestein was a student offense. So, okay, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more to say. We will end here. Thank you all.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see you in a few weeks. Rabbi Leman, if I.

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<v Speaker 8>May I just on this last point. I believe you

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<v Speaker 8>mentioned on one of our trips that David Feldman, had

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<v Speaker 8>he been in the Orthodox world, would have been one

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<v Speaker 8>of the plus game of our community.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's no question about it. I asked him why

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<v Speaker 2>he I had a long conversation with him. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>one time one of my own conversations was in Toronto

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<v Speaker 2>where he spoke for Torren motion. Remember many many years

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<v Speaker 2>we had for.

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<v Speaker 8>My mother's yards. Say Danielle rob Danielle came with his

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<v Speaker 8>parents and they spoke, the father and son, and it

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<v Speaker 8>was it was, it was very nice.

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<v Speaker 2>And his father was a rabbi out in Los Angeles,

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01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:50.239
<v Speaker 2>wrote a book on the Turta Mima. This was the

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<v Speaker 2>time in the fifties where they thought that the future

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<v Speaker 2>was in the conservative movement, and he went there. But

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<v Speaker 2>he he had a great, great learning, and uh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's our loss that uh. Although Rabbi Hudart's Lincoln writes

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<v Speaker 2>that his book on birth control, it's a perfect book,

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<v Speaker 2>no problems, anyone could use it. But he uh, he

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<v Speaker 2>at the end he was very disillusioned. I know someone

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<v Speaker 2>who was at the the one of the conventions of

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<v Speaker 2>the Ra towards the end when of his life. What

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<v Speaker 2>he went or the one of the less was he

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<v Speaker 2>went to and Robby Feldman got up and started very

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<v Speaker 2>emotionally saying, all this stuff you're talking about, what about shabas,

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<v Speaker 2>what about kostros? Have we forgot to know about it?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I'm assuming he saw that as a career move

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<v Speaker 2>and as and when you see how he educated his children,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the children came out a wonderful, wonderful children

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<v Speaker 2>in a traditional total environment. Uh. I am certain. I

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<v Speaker 2>needn't ask him this, but I am certain at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of his life he realized he made a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>and it was He's not the only one, uh, but yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he would have been. It's a loss for our community.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a conservative.

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<v Speaker 8>Stop father father.

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<v Speaker 2>He has bublic she flappers showed the pinnacles and his

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<v Speaker 2>system follow was too the old confert of rabbis usually

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<v Speaker 2>usually the other way was there, the money was there,

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<v Speaker 2>the job was there.

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<v Speaker 6>But so you sent to the she.

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<v Speaker 4>Wins.

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<v Speaker 2>She went off to show central.

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<v Speaker 7>No.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think for someone like Selman, he didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>that it would develop the way it did. It just

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<v Speaker 2>became a form of UH. I mean for most of them,

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<v Speaker 2>which quite well failed me. I felt this was the father. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you all, thanks, Okay, everybody like, thank you Barry doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Please go on in three weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>I have.

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<v Speaker 8>Servis math enjoy.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody on the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Market.

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<v Speaker 8>Doctor Benny on on to hill him and uh. On Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 8>I mentioned after on Thursday eleven a m. Eleven am

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<v Speaker 8>per sure that shavu. That's the three more shearing coming

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<v Speaker 8>up this week, so I hope you can join us.

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<v Speaker 2>And there I want just say one more thing. If

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel stillone, I think ye. I can tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>people called him thinky, even not as a negative, just

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<v Speaker 2>as a foreman endearment, thinky. Like when I went to BMT,

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<v Speaker 2>we called it a Rabbi Horwitz call him whitey. So

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<v Speaker 2>I yes, there were he was at odds with Finklestein

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<v Speaker 2>could read the book, and he had issues with fink

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<v Speaker 2>Ostein about certain things. But just be calling him thinky

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't in a private diary doesn't necessarily mean a negative thing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>leave it at that. We'll pick up more later. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>This series was originally recorded in twenty twenty and twenty

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