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<v Speaker 1>Welcome this Friday afternoon of the Tri State. Big news

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<v Speaker 1>came out last night about Terry Francona, former manager of

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<v Speaker 1>the Indians and also the Red Sox was World Series titles.

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<v Speaker 1>Also the former manager of Michael Jordan and they played

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<v Speaker 1>with the Reds in nineteen eighty seven. Now joining you

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<v Speaker 1>and I as the Hall of Famer Marty Brenneman and Marty,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Marty, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, your reaction to the hiring of Terry Francona,

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<v Speaker 1>and you may have had a part in it because

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned his name first, But what is your feeling

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<v Speaker 1>about Francona.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know about I don't know about having

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<v Speaker 2>a hand in it. Bill. I felt like when I

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<v Speaker 2>was asked, you know, when there was all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>names being bandied about, that if you looked at the list,

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<v Speaker 2>there was only one name that stood out, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was his. With all due respect to the other guys

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<v Speaker 2>that possibly had been considered a were to be considered

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<v Speaker 2>before the announcement this morning, he was far away the best.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean two World championships and postseasons virtually every year

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<v Speaker 2>of clubs that he managed. And so I was thrilled

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<v Speaker 2>to death at the club felt the same way I did,

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, it happened. And I give him

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of credit for being aggressive in targeting him

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<v Speaker 2>and then being able to come up with a deal

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<v Speaker 2>that was good enough to get him signed to a contract.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you vaguely remember Terry Francona here is a player

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty seven? Does your memory go back that

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<v Speaker 1>far with positive things about Terry Francona and the Reds?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Absolutely, I mean that's where he and I first met,

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<v Speaker 2>and then even though he was here for a year,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a great relationship. At that time, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a business relationship. He's a player, I was a broadcaster.

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<v Speaker 2>And as years went by we stayed in touch and

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<v Speaker 2>we became good friends. And in fact, amand and I

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<v Speaker 2>went out saved his home in Tucson last late end

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<v Speaker 2>of February before we drove down a good year for

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<v Speaker 2>the for spring training. We played golf three days in

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<v Speaker 2>a row. And so he's a dear friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm proud to say that because he's a quality guy.

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<v Speaker 2>The people in this town are going to love him.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's the greatest single hire that the

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Castellini owned Reds have ever pulled off.

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<v Speaker 1>I did an interview last night and I referenced the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety pot Rose

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<v Speaker 1>Lou Panella came in with a fresh look on things.

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<v Speaker 1>He came from the outside. In a sense, Terry Francone

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<v Speaker 1>was coming from the outside because he's not been around

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<v Speaker 1>here for about thirty seven years. So yes, But would

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<v Speaker 1>you compare this in a sense to the arrival of

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<v Speaker 1>Lou Panello in the greatness he brought to the club.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're different personalities. You know, Lou was bombastic and

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<v Speaker 2>Terry's not like that. But Terry has a way about

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<v Speaker 2>him that that has an instant connect with the players

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<v Speaker 2>that he's managed over the years. And you know, Terry,

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<v Speaker 2>Terry is reintroduced to the National League after having not

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<v Speaker 2>been around since his first managerial endeavor and that was

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<v Speaker 2>with the Philadelphia Phillies way back. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>with interleague play, he knows how the game is played

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<v Speaker 2>in this league and he's not going to have any

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<v Speaker 2>problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure how's his health because, as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>with the Indians, I can recall the last game he

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<v Speaker 1>coached and managed for the Indians. I'm sorry and the Guardians.

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<v Speaker 1>They had signs all over Cleveland Stadium talking about God,

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<v Speaker 1>bless you Terry and thank you Terry Francona. How's his

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<v Speaker 1>health these days?

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<v Speaker 2>His health is fine. In fact, when we were out

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<v Speaker 2>there in February, and having kept in touch with him

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<v Speaker 2>since then, all the problems that he had that led

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<v Speaker 2>up to, you know, walking away from the job in Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 2>He's healthy as a horse now. I mean, he might

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that the only problem he has is problem

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<v Speaker 2>keeping his weight down to where it should be. But

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<v Speaker 2>even having said that he's lost a lot of weight,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in great health. They don't have any concern whatsoever

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<v Speaker 2>about his health. And quite honestly, Bill, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>he had some things that I think sobered him up

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where he knew that he had to

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<v Speaker 2>get his act together otherwise he's going to die. And

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<v Speaker 2>that got his attention, and I think that in and

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<v Speaker 2>of itself, is going a long way toward putting him

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<v Speaker 2>in the position that he's in now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when you were out with your lovely wife in

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<v Speaker 1>the Goodyear area of Arizona, did you have a sense

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<v Speaker 1>in February that he was wanting to get back into baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he relate to you, you know, I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>miss it. I got my health, got things back to

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get back into the game. Did he

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that in February?

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<v Speaker 2>No, we didn't. In fact, when we left his home

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<v Speaker 2>in Tucson, I told him, Man, I said, he's never

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<v Speaker 2>going to manage again. He's done, He's done with this.

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<v Speaker 2>He was so assertive in his feeling that he would

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<v Speaker 2>never go back and put a uniform on again. And now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think being away for a year, getting healthy, watching

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of baseball, which he did, I think he

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<v Speaker 2>watched our club a lot, it made him realize that

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<v Speaker 2>he was not ready to hang it up yet. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was healthy enough now and invigorated enough that he

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<v Speaker 2>felt like it was time to come back. And thank God,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a situation that seemed to be the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing that I think any manager would want to

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<v Speaker 2>take a look at this club because it's the core

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<v Speaker 2>is a bunch of young, very talented players, a team that,

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<v Speaker 2>if healthy, is deep in pitching. And I think all

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<v Speaker 2>of that has made a major difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Marty, it's kind of odd in baseball. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>big industry, but it's so small in a sense. Buddy

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<v Speaker 1>Bell brought in Terry Francona. When Buddy Bell was I

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<v Speaker 1>believe with then the Indians, now the Guardians, and so

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<v Speaker 1>here we are. Buddy Bell brings in Terry Francona, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Bell's son, David Bell, is left and Terry francone

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<v Speaker 1>and takes his place.

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<v Speaker 2>Somewhat peculiar, Yeah, it is, you know, I mean, Terry

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<v Speaker 2>and and Buddy were dear friends forever, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Francona knew David, he knew every member in the family.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it is kind of ironic that they have

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<v Speaker 2>now come to the point in which they are all

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<v Speaker 2>individually and collectively are part of And it's just an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting situation, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're busy, but a couple one more question,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is there was a perception, you know, after

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<v Speaker 1>last year, not this year, but last year the team

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<v Speaker 1>won eighty two games. In the last ten seasons, the

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<v Speaker 1>Reds have had one winning record in a full season,

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<v Speaker 1>which was last year, and there was a sense in

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<v Speaker 1>March April of last year, this club's ready to take off.

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't it well, you know, I said, I said

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<v Speaker 2>last spring, and people got all pissed off and jump

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<v Speaker 2>me because I was being a negative, But I made

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<v Speaker 2>the point. Then I said, you know, God bless what

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<v Speaker 2>this team did last year, because it was a team

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<v Speaker 2>that'll always be remembered as a team that made baseball

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<v Speaker 2>relevant again. I said, but to automatically assume that a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of young kids with one year of big league

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<v Speaker 2>baseball under their belts is going to come back this

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<v Speaker 2>year and collectively produce more than they did in their

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<v Speaker 2>rookie year, I said, there's a saying in baseball it's

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<v Speaker 2>if applicable to only this sport, and that is to

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<v Speaker 2>stophomore jinks. And I said, just get ready, because you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have some guys here that are not going

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<v Speaker 2>to have the kind of years in twenty four that

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<v Speaker 2>they did in twenty three, never dreaming it would be

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<v Speaker 2>as bad as it was. So you can't take anything

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<v Speaker 2>for granted. And I would like to think that with

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<v Speaker 2>Bell and probably some new coaches on the staff that

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<v Speaker 2>they are, I mean, with Terry and new coaches on

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<v Speaker 2>the staff, they're going to do some things that obviously

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<v Speaker 2>were addressed or we're not addressed enough this past year

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<v Speaker 2>that will bring this club back to its full potential

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<v Speaker 2>and perform the way it should. That one thing they

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<v Speaker 2>got going for him, and I think is a real plus.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in a division where there is no dominant team.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's never easy to win a division, but

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<v Speaker 2>God knows, I'd hate to be in the American League

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<v Speaker 2>East for the National League West. But that they are

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<v Speaker 2>in the division that's very winnable. And they have to

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<v Speaker 2>tweak some things with this club to bring Francona in.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one thing, but he's not America worker, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>got to have some players. And I think there are

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<v Speaker 2>some needs at this club needs to fulfill to allow

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<v Speaker 2>them to bring out their complete potential towards trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the postseason in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>And is every expectation, and we have a news conference

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<v Speaker 1>coming up a little bit here, but there's every expectation

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<v Speaker 1>that Terry Francona is going to clean house. And Freddie

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<v Speaker 1>benavinis Et said, a great guy. But isn't there a

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<v Speaker 1>belief that Terry he's going to bring in his own

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<v Speaker 1>guys because he's mana always come well, he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>wealth of experience. Everyone that worked with him in Boston

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<v Speaker 1>or in Cleveland, they love working with Terry Francona. Can

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<v Speaker 1>we assume the entire coaching staff is gone.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so. I think there will be

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<v Speaker 2>some coaches on the staff that'll be back. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there will be some that are gone, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be some that'll be back. And you do have

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<v Speaker 2>to give a new manager some latitude. That doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>did you go from one extreme to the other. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is to say to him, well, we won't choose manager,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're going to have to take the coaching staff intact.

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<v Speaker 2>No manager would do that. At the same time, a

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<v Speaker 2>club will have a one or two or three coaches

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, they go to the new manager and say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>well you really like to have these guys back. You

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<v Speaker 2>will find there'll be an asset to you. But you

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<v Speaker 2>do have the freedom to bring in whatever number it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'll be a collection of old and new.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I would assume Frank Cone has talked to

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<v Speaker 1>the key players on the team already. What is your perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get together, let's talk. Tell me what went right,

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<v Speaker 1>what went wrong? This year, and he's got the general

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<v Speaker 1>manager who got the Casteline. He's so you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>thing Terry Francone is going to have. He's gonna have presence.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, he's gonna have credibility. He's done it

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<v Speaker 1>before he can bring in his World Series rings. I

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do. I've done it before, I can

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<v Speaker 1>do it here. And Terry Francone is not looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to a rebuild. He's not going to come in here

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of sixty five years old saying let's

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<v Speaker 1>take two or three years. He wants to win this year, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think is any question about that that

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to win this year. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, let me put it this way to you.

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<v Speaker 2>If they don't, if they don't win the division, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you'll see a vast improvement in this club as

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<v Speaker 2>long as it can stay healthy. That's the key, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think he and his people will bring out every

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<v Speaker 2>bit of good that they can with his club. They

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<v Speaker 2>will make players be accountable, which I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>were this this past year. Despite what David Bell might say,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think Jonathan in India summed it up better

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<v Speaker 2>than anybody when he admitted that we have to have

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<v Speaker 2>a manager who will uh put accountability at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the list. Yeah, you know, I remember when Lou

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<v Speaker 2>I told somebody the other day when Pinela was here,

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<v Speaker 2>if he had gone through a season like this team,

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<v Speaker 2>the clubhouse would not be a comfortable place to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Terry, I'd be great.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I think he very subtly and and and

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<v Speaker 2>in a in a much calmer way. I think lou

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<v Speaker 2>will make these guys understand that I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>accept anything but the best you got all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Marty, I'm glad, I know you're busy. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>calling in and this afternoon. We'll see what happens later on.

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<v Speaker 1>But hit him straight and make a few.

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<v Speaker 2>Putts, all right, Pal, I appreciate it, Billy, thank you, Mario.

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<v Speaker 1>I was continued more and you know Marty brings it up.

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<v Speaker 1>But this year, the first baseman didn't play, the second

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<v Speaker 1>baseman didn't play, the third baseman didn't play. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the season, the entire Reds pitching staff was on the

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<v Speaker 1>d l at some point or another, and uh, David

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<v Speaker 1>all went from red hot to ice cold. And as

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<v Speaker 1>he said, Lou Panella would have been rolling around on

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<v Speaker 1>the carpet with some of the players in the dressing room.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not Terry Francono, but the eyeball to eyeball,

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<v Speaker 1>he will hold the players accountable. And so we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. Bill Cunningham with you every day in your

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<v Speaker 1>home of the Reds, Pete Rose and the Bengals. News

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