Speaker 1: Ever look up at the night sky and wonder if
we're really alone out there.
Speaker 2: It's a question that's captivated humanity for centuries.
Speaker 1: And today we're diving into a declassified CIA project that
grapples with that very question. Project eighty two hundred, a.
Speaker 2: Project shrouded in mystery, exploring the world of remote viewing
and its potential to uncover hidden truths, including well maybe
even alien bases right here on Earth.
Speaker 1: Okay, God, admit that definitely piqued my curiosity remote viewing,
seeing things at a distance with just your mind.
Speaker 2: It sounds like science fiction, but that's precisely what drove
Project eighty two hundred.
Speaker 1: So where did this all begin?
Speaker 2: It all started with a remote viewer named Pat Price.
While working for the CIA. He claimed to have stumbled
upon these clandestine bases hidden, you know, deep within mountains around.
Speaker 1: The globe, hidden basis hunts. So we're not talking about
little green men landing in the desert here, No.
Speaker 2: No, nothing that obvious. These are meant to be concealed,
kept out of the public eye.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this Pat Price, were his claims ever corroborated?
Did any anyone else see these hidden bases?
Speaker 2: That's where it gets really interesting. To verify Price's claims,
the CIA brought in another renowned remote viewer, a guy
named Joe mcmonagle, and what he saw, well, it was
even more incredible.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, before we get into what they saw,
can you tell me more about these remote viewers? I mean,
were they credible or just you know, random psychics off
the street.
Speaker 2: Both Price and mcmonagle actually had successful track records. Price
was assisting the CIA with various intelligence operations and mcmonagal
he had helped companies locate resources and even worked with
law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so these weren't just anyone. The CIA clearly
saw something in their abilities exactly.
Speaker 2: And what's really fascinating is that both of them pinpointed
the same four locations, totally independent of each other. Mount
hay Is in Alaska, Mount zeal in Australia, Mount Piro
in Spain, and Mount in Yangani in Zimbabwe.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they both identify these mountain locations, But what
did they actually see at the supposed bases?
Speaker 2: Buckle up, because this is where the descriptions get really wild.
They both described advanced technology far beyond anything we currently possess.
Strange beings working on these mysterious projects, and get this
massive energy emitters on top of these mountains.
Speaker 1: Energy e mitters. What were those for? Where's the energy going?
Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest mysteries. Both Price and mcmonagall
believed this energy was being beamed upwards, potentially to a
space platform in a fixed position high above Earth.
Speaker 1: A space platform receiving energy from Earth. That sounds like
something straight out of a science.
Speaker 2: Fiction movie, right, it does, doesn't it. And this idea
of a connection between these earth based bases and a
space platform, it's a theme that keeps popping up in
mcmonagall's remote viewing sessions.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have these two seemingly credible remote viewers
both describing hidden bases, crazy technology, and a space platform.
But did Project eighty two hundred ever actually find any
concrete evidence of well, you know, aliens.
Speaker 2: While the project didn't dig up any physical proof, it
definitely raised some serious questions about what the government knew
or suspected about UFO phenomena. There were even whispers of
other agents as being involved, the NSA, the Air Force.
Speaker 1: Really other agencies. What were they doing?
Speaker 2: Well, some believe they might have been running disinformation campaigns to.
Speaker 1: Cover up the truth, disinformation campaigns to hide aliens. I mean,
why go to such lengths to keep this under wraps?
Speaker 2: Well, imagine the implications if we confirmed, were not alone,
that these beings have bases right here on Earth. It
would challenge everything we know about the world, our place
in it.
Speaker 1: I see your point, But let's go back to the
remote viewing for a second. Was there any scientific basis
for it? Or was it purely anecdotal, you know, just
based on their personal experiences.
Speaker 2: The science behind remote viewing is definitely still debated, but
during Project eighty two hundred, they actually tried to use
rigorous protocols.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, like what?
Speaker 2: Well? For example, the viewers were only given coordinates, no
other info about the target location.
Speaker 1: Ah okay, so they weren't just making stuff up based
on preconceived notions about what an alien base might look.
Speaker 2: Like exactly, and despite having no prior knowledge of each
other's findings, both Price and mcmonogle provided remarkably similar descriptions.
Speaker 1: So the CIA is taking this seriously enough to bring
in multiple viewers implement protocols. What happens next?
Speaker 2: Well, once mcmonagall corroborated prices findings, the project shifted. They
wanted to try to understand how these alleged bases actually functioned.
And this is where mcmonaga's remote viewing sessions get even
more intriguing.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, let's hear it. What did he find out
about the inner workings of these bases.
Speaker 2: Well, he really struggled to put what he saw into words.
He just kept saying that the technology was so advanced
it defied any earthly comparison. He described things like grid work,
masses of electronics, and coil tubes buried deep within the mountains,
all powered by what he likened to a miniaturized nuclear
power plant.
Speaker 1: A miniaturized nuclear power plant. That's mind blowing what we
are they even doing with all.
Speaker 2: That power, And that's where those energy emitters come back in.
He described them sending this energy upwards towards that space
platform we talked about.
Speaker 1: This is all so bizarre. But did McMonigal ever since
who was operating these bases? Were they aliens, humans, or
something else entirely?
Speaker 2: Initially mcmonagal was really focused on the technology, but as
the project progressed, they definitely wanted to know who was
running the show and what they found, well, it was
both perplexing and a bit unsettling.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm really hook so spillevians who was it well?
Speaker 2: Price had earlier reported seeing human personnel at the Mount
Hayes base. So to confirm this, Skip Outwater, the project
lead brought in some additional remote viewers. They wanted a
clearer picture, so.
Speaker 1: They were trying to figure out if these were purely
alien operations or if there was some human involvement. What
did these other viewers report?
Speaker 2: One viewer, Bill Ray, described encountering these thin, unemotional beings,
almost robotic in their movements, like they were driven by
a very specific purpose. He definitely felt they were unearthly,
but he couldn't definitively say they were aliens.
Speaker 1: That's a creepy description for sure. Did any of the
other viewers corroborate these observations?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Actually.
Speaker 2: Another viewer, Paul Smith, had a similar experience, described seeing
regimented figures surrounded by all this complex electronics and underground cables.
And to minimize bias, make sure the viewers weren't just
imagining things, Skip That Water decided to conduct a blind session.
Speaker 1: A blind session was that basically neither.
Speaker 2: The viewer nor the interviewer knew the target location beforehand.
They just gave the viewer coordinates and said go. In
this case, it was a remote viewer named Mel Riley.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a smart approach. So what did Mel Riley
report seeing?
Speaker 2: Remarkably, even without any prior info, his description echoed the
previous findings. He described this large dome, these dark figures
operating a complex control panel, and others moving around with purpose.
He even compared it to NORAD, like an underground control center.
Speaker 1: So even with this blind approach, the viewers were still
describing very similar things. But did anyone actually see, you know,
beings that were clearly undeniably aliens? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, some viewers, including Riley, reported seeing UFOs, but their
descriptions of the beings themselves were often more ambiguous. They
were often described as thin, large headed, and lacking certain
human features that.
Speaker 1: Definitely sounds suggestive of something non human. But did anyone
directly interact with these beings? Was there any communication?
Speaker 2: There weren't any reports of direct communication during the actual
remote viewing sessions, but there is this one pretty intriguing story.
It involves skip atwater, consulting with a psychic.
Speaker 1: Hold on a psychic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this psychic claimed to be in caelepathic contact with
these beings.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, this is getting even wilder. What did this
psychic say? What did they reveal?
Speaker 2: Well, according to the psychic, when asked their opinion of humanity,
they simply said not much, not much out.
Speaker 1: Not as exactly a glowing review. Did the psychic get
any clarification on what they meant by that?
Speaker 2: Apparently they viewed us kind of like how we might
view a flock of birds, you know, interesting from a
scientific perspective, but not much more than animals in a zoo.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty humbling. So they just saw us as insignificant.
But why were they here? What were they doing?
Speaker 2: That's where that energy transfer and that space platform become
relevant again. The psychic claimed they were harnessing energy from Earth.
They saw those four mountain bases and even suspected some
underwater bases too as part of this network collecting and
transmitting this energy.
Speaker 1: So they were using Earth as some kind of giant
energy farm. But what were they doing with all that energy?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the psychic didn't get any more information about their
ultimate goals, but they did offer one pretty crucial piece
of information. They wouldn't interfere with human affairs unless unless,
what unless we posed a threat to the planet itself.
Speaker 1: So basically, don't mess with our energy source and will
leave you alone.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the message. There was no specific
time frame given, but they'd apparently been here a very
long time, which suggests that Earth holds some value to
them beyond just being a source of energy.
Speaker 1: It's all incredibly intriguing, But you mentioned earlier that Project
eighty two hundred was eventually shut down. Why, especially with
multiple viewers corroborating each other's findings, why would the government
stop investigating?
Speaker 2: Well, Officially, the CIA claimed that Project Stargate, which Project
eighty two hundred was eventually folded into, was shut down
because it didn't produce actionable intelligence, but many believe the
real reasons are far more complex and well shrouded in secrecy.
Speaker 1: That's not surprising given how sensitive this information is. What
are some of the theories surrounding the project's termination.
Speaker 2: Some argue that the data, while intriguing, wasn't concrete enough
to definitively prove alien activity. Others believe it was simply
too controversial that it threatened to expose truths that the
government wasn't ready to share with the public.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Confirming extra trust involvement would have massive implications.
Did anyone involved in the project speak out after it
was shut down?
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the participants were bound by non
disclosure agreements, of course, but some like Joe mcmonagall have
spoken publicly about their experiences about the validity of remote
viewing as a tool for intelligence gathering.
Speaker 1: But those claims are probably met with a lot of
skepticism from the mainstream scientific community.
Speaker 2: Right, of course, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But what's
interesting is that several whistleblowers have actually challenged the official
narrative about the lack of actionable intelligence. They claimed that
the project was actually quite successful.
Speaker 1: Wait really, so they're saying it was shut down to
control information to prevent the public from learning the truth
about aliens. Are these whistleblowers credible?
Speaker 2: That's the challenge, isn't it. One of the most notable
whistleblowers is Richard Dodie. He's a former Air Force OSI
agent and he claims to have documents and personal testimonies
that prove there's been a long standing cover up of
UFO phenomena.
Speaker 1: Richard Doty wasn't he involved in those disinformation campaigns we
talked about earlier?
Speaker 2: Yes, he admits to having participated, but now he claims
that his actions were part of this larger effort to
well mislead the public.
Speaker 1: That's quite a tangled web. How do we even begin
to untangle it all? How do we know what to believe?
Speaker 2: It's tough. Discerning what's genuine and what's part of a
misinformation campaign is incredibly difficult. I think it's a reminder
that we all need to be critical thinkers consider all
sides of the story.
Speaker 1: Speaking of critical thinking, this brings us to another fascinating
piece of the project eighty two hundred puzzle. We've heard
from the remote viewers, the psychics, but there's another group involved,
the Avier Aviary. Yeah. He was comprised of intelligence officials
and they were all deeply involved in UFO research, and
they gave themselves get this bird themed code names. Just
adds another strange layer to an already bizarre story.
Speaker 2: Right, themed code names.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have to hear this.
Speaker 2: What were some of their code names?
Speaker 1: Well, you have Harold help put Off. He was the
renowned parapsychologist and his code name was the Owl. Then
there's Richard Dodie, or OSI agent known as Falcon, and
doctor Kit Green, the CIA analyst. He was blue Jay. Wait,
so the guy in charge of spreading disinformation about UFOs
was part of a group dedicated to UFO research. That's
pretty contradictory.
Speaker 2: It is, isn't It makes you wonder about their true objectives.
Then there's Jamie Shandera who was a film producer and
UFO disclosure advocate. He went by Woodpecker and Bob Collins.
Another former OSI agent was known as Condor.
Speaker 1: So the Owl, Falcon, Blue Jay, Woodpecker and Condor. What
was the purpose of this aviary? Were they actually trying
to uncover the truth about UFOs or were they just
trying to control the narrative keep everything under wraps.
Speaker 2: Their true objectives remain a mystery. Some believe they were
genuinely advocating for disclosure, while others suspect they were more
focused on maintaining secrecy.
Speaker 1: It's a puzzle with a lot of missing pieces. The
fact that this group existed with members holding high security
clearances definitely speaks volumes about the government's interest in UFOs.
What do you think their involvement means for the credibility
of all this.
Speaker 2: That's a great question and one we'll have to explore
further as we delve deeper into the world of Project
eighty two hundred. It really makes you think, you know,
a secretive group like the aviary working behind the scenes
on something like this, what were they really up to?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly. These are people with high security clearances potentially
shaping how the public sees UFOs through disinformation. Though less
it's a bit fascinating and kind of creepy, right for sure.
Speaker 2: And out of all the figures involved, Richard Dody really
stands out Falcon.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the Air Force OSI agent. Yeah, the one
who admitted to spreading disinformation.
Speaker 2: That's him. But now he's saying UFOs are real, that
much of what we hear about them is actually true.
Speaker 1: Hold on, So, which is it disinformation or truth? It's
a pretty wild turn of events.
Speaker 2: It is. How do you reconcile his past actions with
current claims. Is he a legitimate whistleblower or is there
something else going on? It's hard to know what to
believe given his history.
Speaker 1: And then there's his connection to Harold Putthoff, the owl right.
Doty worked for Putoff's company EarthTech for a whole decade,
and that company was focused on some let's say, unconventional research.
Speaker 2: Definitely adds another layer of complexity to an already complicated story.
And put Off himself has been a controversial figure in
parapsychology and UFO research like forever.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got Dody Putoff. It's like a tangled
web of connections. And wait, didn't we mention another former
OSI agent, Bob Collins Condor I think he was involved
in disinformation too, wasn't he?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Collins? He actually co authored a book with
Doty called The Black World of UFOs Exempt from Disclosure.
And that book, while it goes deep into government cover ups,
reverse engineering of alien spacecraft, all kinds of mind blowing stuff.
Speaker 1: Wait, a book about UFOs co authored by two guys
who admitted to spreading disin information about UFOs makes you wonder,
doesn't it? What are their motivations here? Right?
Speaker 2: Are they revealing genuine secrets that they were once sworn
to protect or are they just playing the disinformation game
on a whole new level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. It's hard to tell. Didn't they say
something about national security?
Speaker 2: Both Dodie and Collins claim their whole disinformation thing was
meant to protect national security, to prevent mass panic if
the truth about UFOs ever got out.
Speaker 1: That's the classic justification for government secrecy, isn't it. We're
just protecting you from yourselves. But is it valid in
this case? Does the potential threat of public panic really
outweigh the public's right to know about potential extraterrestrial contact.
Speaker 2: It's a tough question, a complex ethical dilemma for sure.
No easy answers there. What do you think?
Speaker 1: Hmmm? Personally I tend to lean towards transparency. I think
people are capable of handling the truth, even if it's unsettling.
But I understand the argument for caution, especially if the
implications are as huge as those suggested by Project.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a tough call. But you know what, Let's
shift gears for a bit. Let's talk about the remote
viewing aspect itself. Even if we put aside the claims
of alien bases and government cover ups, the idea that
humans can access information remotely with their minds that's pretty incredible,
don't you think.
Speaker 1: Absolutely? It really makes you question what we think we
know about consciousness and reality. If remote viewing is a
real phenomenon, then it has huge implications for so many fields.
Speaker 2: And it's not just theoretical. There's a growing body of
anecdotal evidence and experimental data from projects like Stargate, for example,
suggesting that remote viewing might be a real thing.
Speaker 1: I've always found those studies pretty fascinating, but the scientific
community is still pretty skeptical, right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they are. Definitely more research is needed to
you know, definitively prove or disprove it. But just imagine
what if it's real? What if we could explore the universe,
uncover hidden knowledge, connect with other forms of intelligence using
only our minds. The possibilities are mind blowing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing even just a contemplate. But we do need
to approach these claims with healthy skepticism.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And while the
stories we hear in the data we see are compelling,
they're not conclusive. Ye, not yet anyway.
Speaker 1: But even if we remain skeptical, the stories that come
out of Project eighty two hundred are too captivating to ignore.
They force us to confront the unknown, question everything we
thought we knew, and consider that reality might be far
stranger than we ever imagine.
Speaker 2: I think that's what makes this whole topic so compelling.
It's a journey of discovery, a search for truth, a
quest to understand ourselves and our place in the cosmos.
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful way to put it. We may never
have definitive answers to all the mystery surrounding Project eighty
two hundred in UFOs, but that search for truth, it's
a journey worth taking.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's a journey that demands critical thinking, questioning authority,
and remaining open to the possibilities to what lies beyond
our current understanding. And who knows, maybe someday those secrets
will be revealed.
Speaker 1: We'll have your optimism. But even if they aren't, the
pursuit of knowledge is in itself incredibly enriching the unknown
Beckins and as humans were driven to explore to chart
those uncharted territories.
Speaker 2: That's a great point, and it leads perfectly into the
final part of our deep dive. We'll be examining the
legacy of Project eighty two hundred and how the search
for answers continues today.
Speaker 1: Well, here we are wrapping up our deep dive into
Project eighty two hundred. It feels like we've just scratched
the surface of this whole thing. You know, government secrecy,
remote viewing, possible alien activity. It's a lot to unpack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, and the more we dig, the more
questions seem to pop up. But even without concrete answers,
I think it's been a pretty thought provoking journey, wouldn't
you say? Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, It really makes you step back and re examine
what we think we know about the universe and our
place in it, and the implications of remote viewing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, if it's real, that's just mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Imagine that being able to access information from anywhere in
the galxy just using your mind. It would completely revolutionize
how we understand everything.
Speaker 1: Everything, science, exploration, communication. It would change the world. But
even if we're skeptical about those aspects, the fact that
the government poured so much time and money into exploring
these possibilities that says something, right, it does.
Speaker 2: It shows that they were taking these claims seriously, at
least on some level. And then you have the involvement
of folks with high security clearances like those in the
aviary just adds another layer of mystery to it all,
doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Definitely, speaking of the Aviary, it's so strange how that
group brought together people with such seemingly different roles, different agendas.
You have those who admitted to spreading disinformation, those who
are pushing for disclosure, and then those whose motives are
still totally unclear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real mixed bag, and it kind of
mirrors the whole UFO research field in a way. Truth
and deception all tangled up together. It can be really
hard to separate fact from fiction.
Speaker 1: It really highlights how important critical thinking is. Right. We
can't just blindly accept everything we hear, especially when dealing
with information that's shrouded in secrecy and potentially manipulated by
those in power.
Speaker 2: Right, you got to be cautious, always consider the source
way different perspectives, and except that, we might never have
all the answers.
Speaker 1: It's humbling, for sure. But even with all the uncertainty
and the unanswered questions, one thing remains clear. Humans are
fascinated by UFOs and the idea of extraterrestrial life and
that fascination doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon.
Speaker 2: I think it speaks to a deeper need within us.
I need to connect. We look up at the stars
and wonder are we alone? And the possibility of other
intelligent life out there. It's exhilarating and terrifying at the
same time, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It really is. It makes us question who we are,
where we belong, what it all means. It forces us
to confront the biggest questions humans.
Speaker 2: Have ever asked, and while we may never have definitive answers,
I think the search for truth is a fundamental part
of what makes us human.
Speaker 1: It's a journey that takes courage, curiosity, and a willingness
to embrace the unknown. And who knows, maybe one day
those mysteries that have gripped us for so long will
finally be revealed.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, But until then, we keep exploring, keep searching.
Speaker 1: Exactly to everyone listening, keep an open mind, keep asking
those tough questions, and never stop searching for knowledge for understanding.
Speaker 2: You never know what you might discover. It might broaden
your horizons or even change how you see the world.
Speaker 1: Couldn't have said it better myself. And with that, we're
wrapping up our deep dive into Project eighty two hundred
and the fascinating, mysterious world of UFO research. Thanks for
joining us on this journey.