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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasikos? I am Dan Favalley. Our twenty

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twenty five twenty twenty six NBA Season look Ahead train

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rolls on. We're onto the San Antonio Spurs, which means

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I have the distinct pleasure of being joined by Noah

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mcgaro George of the Vican Roll Go follow them. The

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links to his socials and the vic and Roll will

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be in the podcast and YouTube description. Noah, how the

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heck are you doing so good?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to imagine this off season from

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the lottery perspective, from some of the like low key

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pickups that they had this summer going better for the

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Spurs than it could have. Like, I know, everybody always

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wants them to add another star, and you know that's

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well within the fans rights, but like winning, they're not

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outright winning. They didn't get Cooper Fly, but they got

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Dylan Harper, Like, how much better could it have gone?

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You just got you know, Stefan Castle, you have dearon Fox,

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You've got Victor Winbin Yama. I'm I'm doing great, Like

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I'm so ready to cover a team that I think

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is ready to make a legitimate push to that next step,

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like we're not gonna be talking rebuild anymore.

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Speaker 1: No, for sure. And it's also but because they won

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the lottery and because the Aaron Box and Victor Remben. Yeah,

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but didn't play a ton together last season. Before he's out.

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There's so much mystery to this team. We're gonna get

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into all of it. I didn't mention this to you

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before we're supposed to start. I'm doing a terrible job

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of this of letting the guests go. I'm not texting

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during the show. I'm time stamping, So if you see

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me on my phone, I'm still listening. That's all I'm doing.

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Supposed to remind you off air, But now listeners get

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a peek behind the curtain. I'd like to start with

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a bunch of the offseason stuff. The Mitch Johnson him

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getting the permanent gig following all the coach pop news,

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not a surprise at all. What did you? I guess

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the question for me is twofold is do you think

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that they should have opened it up at all? More

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beyond him? And then I think the more important question

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is what did we learn about Mitch Johnson the head

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coach during his stint last year?

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Speaker 2: I definitely think you wouldn't be long if you were

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upset that they didn't open it up more than past

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Mitch Johnson, like, cause there were a lot of people

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on the open market, like a lot of coaches lost

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their job and good coaches, like really good coaches. But

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now I'm not really that surprised that they went Mitch Johnson.

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you've seen them lean into consistency to continuity over trying

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something new, trying to like switch it up immediately. Like

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I'm not surprised because it feels like this is a

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guy who's been with the organization for nearly ten years now,

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He's gone through the ranks. He's you know, gone from

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assistant to you know, lead assistant to now head coach,

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and so you know, I'm not surprised by that in

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any way. As far as like, what did we learn

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about Mitch Johnson? That is such a good question, because

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Speaker 3: I don't know what we learned about Mitch Johnson.

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Speaker 2: It felt like a lot last year, Like that was

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a question consistently asked by a lot of the media

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is you and how much of this is Pop? And

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you know, pretty consistently, it felt like his answers were like,

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you know, I'm in constant contact with Pop. Pop has

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a say in all this. We're trying to continue what

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he built. So I feel like a lot of last

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year was just him continuing to preach what Pop has been,

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you know, teaching and implementing over the last couple of years,

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and certainly probably Pop's vision for what the team was

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gonna look like if Pop stayed healthy last season. But

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this season, I think we're gonna learn who Mitch Johnson is,

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what we've seen from Pop? What what are his defensive principles?

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you know, Sean Sweeney, and those are guys who I

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think are very much known for, you know, like their

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their defensive acumen. So what are we gonna learn about

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Mitch Johnson? I think everything everything about Mitch Johnson this season?

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 2: I'm not really sure so, and I hate, I hate

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to use that as a cop out answer, but I really, honestly,

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Speaker 1: The darn Fox extension fada complete when they traded for him,

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at least him signing a deal. Were you surprised that

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it ended up just being the straight max there for

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Speaker 2: A little bit, But you know, in that same breath,

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it's like you have Stefan Castle, you sort of lucked

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into Dylan Harper. You just traded for this guy. I

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think you kind of want to show him that you're

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one hundred percent committed. It is a lot of money,

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especially if he ends up deteriorating physically, if he's not

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playing up to the level that I think you would

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expect him or hope that he plays. But I still

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think he's fairly tradable if if that, you know, comes

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to be the outcome that needs to happen, that they

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need to move him or for whatever reason. But I

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wasn't super shocked, but I was a little bit surprised

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because that is a lot of money for Daron Fox,

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a guy who you know, even with the with the

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hand issue, last year the finger issue on his you know,

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dominant shooting hand, didn't have the most productive season, but again,

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that's I think more than a good excuse for him

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not to have his standard of you know, like a

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twenty five to five and five.

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Speaker 3: Season on good efficiency.

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Speaker 2: So a little surprised, but I think it's kind of

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something they had to do to prove like, hey, we're

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committed to you, like we're fully in on you and

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Wemby being the faces of this next step for us.

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So not not super shocked.

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Speaker 1: I think I was a little surprised, but I think

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the reaction would have been completely different had they just

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never gotten the number two pick. I don't think people

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would have thought that much about the contract. I had

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looked at his because it does feel like we're gonna

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I feel like we're going to reach a breaking point

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where some of these guys are not going to become

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auto max extension guys. And I had the two names

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I had, I had three name circle. Jared Jackson Junior

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came off the board as a renegotiating extent. I had

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Fox and Trey Young circle as like I'm interested to

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see what their teams do with them. The fact that

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Fox got the MAX just basically without drama, like almost

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as soon as he was eligible for it. I mean,

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Trey Young's people have to be looking at that with

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the Hawks like, oh, you don't want to pay me,

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now it's just Andre Young. But clearly we're not even

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the era of aprons whatever you want to call it,

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and seeing how much you could invest in one or

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two of your top guys. I think we're eventually going

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to get to a point where someone like the Aaron

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and so you have that two year cushion before you

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have to think about getting so so expensive, because whether

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it's Devin Vassell or you're thinking about a Jeremy Sohan extension,

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you're not like, there's no one here that's about to

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break the bank for you. And I think that probably

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made it a little easier for the Spurs too.

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Speaker 2: I think so I think you hit the nail on

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the head there, and also just I think the Spurs,

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if you look recently, like the last five, six, seven years,

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they really have done a good job of like taking

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care of their guys. Like I think a lot of

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people would probably look at the contracts that they've doled

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out in recent history and gone like, man's that's a

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little bit pricey for you know, Devin Vassell, Or maybe

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that's a little bit pricey for Pau Gasol, Like that's

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a little bit pricey for Rudy Gay. But I think

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they like to take care of their guys. I think

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when people are settled in the locker room, it makes

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a lot easier to get things done, get people to

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buy into roles, get them to feel secure in the building.

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So like I'm not saying it was all done just

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to show deeron Fox, like, hey, you know you got

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your money now, Like whatever we do from here on out.

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Speaker 3: With you, you got to be okay with But I

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think that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: Like I think part of it is taking care of

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the guys that they feel secure and they're more ready

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to buy into what you're what you're selling.

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Speaker 3: So not again, not super surprised that it happened.

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Speaker 2: But a little bit a little bit certainly, because again,

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that's a lot of money for dearon Fox, especially coming

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off of a season where maybe didn't live up to

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the expectations once he came to San Antonio. Granted, he

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didn't play the max amount of games that he could

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have because they shut him down a little bit early

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I'm excited to see what this

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pairing looks like because I think it could be really

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really good between him and Wimby.

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Speaker 1: The only other offseason question I have is more macro,

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what do you sort of make of their direction? Where Okay,

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the futzing and fiddling you have Louke Cornette, you get

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basing is important when you're looking at the guards they have,

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but you're also tangentially linked to Kevin Durant, who's gonna

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turn thirty seven after you just acquired dearon Fox. And

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while it could have just been oh, if we get

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him for this package, we're being opportunistic. It's just so

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bizarre because we're talking about all these young players, we're

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talking about Daron Fox, We're talking about Kevin Durant, like,

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what do you just what do you view as sort

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of their overarching mission after the offseason heading into this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think they're sort of on that like

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pathway where they want to be competitive right now. They

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certainly want to help when bin Yama get into the

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playoffs get that experience, but I think they're also still

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looking pretty long term, Like I think they're looking at

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two different timelines. I think you're looking at a timeline

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where you can compete immediately.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that doesn't mean win a.

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Speaker 2: Title this year, but with dearon Fox and if something

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you know breaks your way, where there's a superstar level player,

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a Max level player who wants to join San Antonio,

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you've got Amo to go get that player, or you

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you know, if things aren't going your way and you

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need to offload some players, you still got guys in

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the chamber like the Stefan Castle who maybe you don't

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know what you're gonna get out of quite yet, or

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Dylan Harper, who you know, second pick in the draft

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most years, if there's no Cooper flag that that's your

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number one pick.

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Speaker 3: Like this is a and we'll talk.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll talk about Dylan Harper, but uh, fantastic

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prospect in his own right, generational driver, generational touch.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not the best.

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Speaker 2: Vision if we're talking about guys like a Trey Young

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or Luca Dontic. He's certainly not in in like that

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echelon of passer. But he is a good passer, and

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he can't create advantages and the shot.

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Speaker 3: Isn't quite there, especially off the balance.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're looking at these two timelines where

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you have a lot of options, and I think the

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Spurs are definitely happy to keep their options.

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Speaker 1: Open in so far as you think you can take

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away anything from what you saw post Darn Fox trade,

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him and the Victor Wombin Yama dynamic that we saw

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still just lightning fast. I mean, he may not be

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you know, like a decade ago, almost now, but he's

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still one of the fastest players. But I think he's

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able to change pace.

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Speaker 3: Is his handles a lot tighter.

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and so like watching that next to wimban Yama for

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a few games, I thought their dynamic was really good,

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Like it was you know, if they brought two to

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the ball, you know you're screwed, because when Binyama's rolling,

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there's nobody who's going to stop win bin Yama on

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the role, even if you're bringing someone over from weak

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side up, like that's that's not going to stop Wimby

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if you're trying to rotate over to stop Winmby the Spur,

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I think the spurs biggest weakness is that, like if

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you somehow stopped the two man game, they're spacing wasn't

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super great around them, Like there were a lot of

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times where they were playing Chris Paul last season alongside

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darn Fox or Castle alongside Darren Fox, and then Sohannah

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is also out there.

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Speaker 3: But I'm less worried about that this season.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's still an issue, but I'm watching

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them together just in that eight game span, and I

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think maybe it might be a little bit of a hyperbole,

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but I do feel like they could easily be like

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a top five, top six duo in the league, just

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with what they bring to the table individually, but how

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they can play off each other as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the idea of having someone and now

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Dylan Harper in the same vein of being able to

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get when Ben Yama touches that will get him more

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downhill or at the basket, because we saw his rim

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frequency decline year over year, in part because I think

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he's just so important to like their floor spacing in

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ways that he probably not that he shouldn't be, but

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he's too important to their floor spacing. You want to

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have to give him room to operate at different levels.

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And even in the short time he played with Fox,

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like the percentage of shots that came at the rim,

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like those went up, and so I think, yeah, that's

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going to be a big deal for him for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I agree with you. Oh sorry, go ahead

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if you if you had anything.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I thought I just thought, yeah, go ahead,

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it's all you.

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Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say, Yeah, that's definitely a great

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point that you're making, because, like you, I think one

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of the biggest gripes from Spurs fans for a little

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while there was like, you know, Wemby is so big,

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he's so tall, he's only shooting threes, And I think,

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like on a surface level, yes, like yeah, he's shooting

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so many threes, but like I think we kind of

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have to consider that was kind of he kind of

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had to Like it's easy to load up at the

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rim and stop him at the rim if you don't

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have any other options. And I think that optionality now

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that you have with Fox, where Wemby can pop or

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he can roll, or you've got a guy who can

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get all the way downhill and create his own shot

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and get to the basket and get to his spots

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in the mid range. Like having that allows one Binyama

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to operate in other spaces and have more space to

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operate within those spots.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you're one hundred percent right it's

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time to.

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Speaker 1: Have the three guard talk because I think that's going

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to define so much of the Spurs as present in future,

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whether it's you want to approach it from how do

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you envision the Spurs handling this or what you would

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do when looking at how much are we going to

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see these guys together? What is the ideal stackering pagrin

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from your perspective, I'm so interested before getting into all

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these limitations or strengths that people might be concerned or

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excited about. I just want to know, like, well, how

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is this team planning on navigating the three guard dynamic?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough question to answer too.

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Speaker 2: I guess if I had to choose how I would

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navigate it, I'd love to see Dearon Fox sharing the

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court with Castle or Harper sharing the court with Castle

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more than I think I would like to see Harper

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sharing the court with Fox like I think Castle, just

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because in my mind from how I view him, I

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think he's more of like a bigger wing off ball

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guy who can handle some secondary playmaking. He's more versatile

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in that way, like he's a great cutter, He's got

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great off ball instincts, Whereas I think Dylan Harper is

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still at this point in his career he's best with

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the ball in his hands, and I think you want

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to see him with the ball in his hands, and

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I think it's really hard to play him next to

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Dearon Fox and then justify putting the ball in Harper's

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hands over Dearon Fox's hands. And so I think to

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try to eliminate some of the like, well, now this

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guy is, you know, standing in a corner this like

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in a way that they're uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: Let them play with Fox or with Castle.

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Speaker 2: Try to keep them staggered with Castle and them not

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playing together as much. I'm not saying I don't want

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to see them play together. They're definitely that's something that's

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probably going to happen, and I think it should happen.

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But I would love to see Harper have the reins

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of the offense at times as that lead guard, because

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I think that's what's going to be best for his

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long term development.

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Speaker 3: And I think probably not on an identical.

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Speaker 2: Track, but something kind of like we saw with the Thunder,

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where back when they had Harden and Russell Westbrook, where

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like Harden's coming off the bench when Russell Westbrook goes

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to the bench, Harden's got the reins to the offense

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and he's allowed to be the primary ball handle and

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he's allowed to create for himself and others.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's.

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Speaker 2: A at least a rough outprint of what you can

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maybe hope for or aim for with Harper and Castle

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and also Fox together.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Spurs have enough supplementary spacing

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to one make it work when all three of them

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are on the court together, or even just when you're

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gonna have two of them on the court together, because

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a lot of what so many of them do best,

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and especially Fox and Harper's you've already meant, like their

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ability to get downhill and Dylan Harper's like blazing fast.

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I think even Dylan Harper show that he can get

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off the ball quickly in Summer League, and I think

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that I trust him to navigate the floor without the ball,

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but I don't. I don't know how to feel about

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his jump shot just yet. I think he's gonna end

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up being fine, but early on I could just see

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defense is not respecting him. Maybe there's some rickety just

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percentages when you're looking at him, whether he's wide open

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from the corners or pulling up from above the brake

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or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's still a concern for the Spurs.

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Because I'm looking through the roster right now. I made

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notes of people who I consider plus shooters or just

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average shooters, negative shooters like you know when Ben Yama Vicel.

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Those are guys who you know are gonna space the floor,

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the cant space to Florida, good volume, same thing with

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Julian Champennee Harrison Barnes.

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Speaker 3: But start looking at guys who.

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Speaker 2: Are probably gonna play a lot of minutes for them

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this season and really don't offer anything in the way

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of spacing. You've got guys like you know, Stefan Castle.

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You've got guys probably like Luke Cornett, who early in

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his career was shooting a good amount of threes for

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being a like a seven to three guy, but really

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has moved away from that in recent years, doesn't really

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shoot threes anymore. And then you know, obviously a guy

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like Jeremy Sohan, Like you know, Jeremy Sohan maintained his

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three point percentage from last season to the previous season,

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but the volume went down pretty significantly, which is significant

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because the volume was not that significant. So I think

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that's a good question that you ask. And then even

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guys like who are maybe just eh meh shooters like

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Keldon Johnson, Dylan Harper, I would say probably is either

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going to be met to below league average deren Fox.

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I'm not sure what to expect again, Like we can

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talk at nauseum about his hand in shooting hand last season,

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but now that that's been addressed, does it does it

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look better? Like does he get back to being sort

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of close to league average on good volume?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm not I'm not really sure that they

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have the spacing to make it work perfectly. But I

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think they're definitely going to be throwing out that three

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guard lineup at some point where you've got Castle, you've

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got Harper, you've got Fox on the floor. At the

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same time, I'm just not sure that it's gonna look

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that pretty.

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Speaker 3: Do you think?

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Speaker 1: So when you're looking at it defensively, how do you

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feel about Steph Castle being like the de facto defensive

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wing during those minutes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 2: I think that's actually like where he was best last season.

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I think he did a really good job on bigger

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wings like Stefan. Castle's not massive in terms of like height,

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I think he's like six' five or six y, six

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but he's super, strong like he's got Grim man's.

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Speaker 3: Strength he is so so so.

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Speaker 2: Strong he moves really well, laterally AND i think he's

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fairly disciplined for like a young, Guy LIKE i, mean

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you even saw it At, yukon like he he he's

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definitely wise beyond his. Years he's got more discipline than

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most players at his. Age So i'm not really that

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worried about, that BUT i do have questions, about, like you,

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know how does everything else look around?

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Speaker 3: Them but, Yeah i'm fine with.

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Speaker 2: THAT i think he can more than make up for

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it with his, wingspan his lotder mobility is. Strength, Like

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i'm not really that worried about him being the de

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facto wing defender out.

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Speaker 3: There what do you?

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Speaker 1: WANT i think everyone's going to focus on what is

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the three point percentage or the jump shot percentage overall

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with him in year? Two but is there anything else

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that you're going to be tracking most closely, about whether

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it's you, know being able to even just hitting a

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higher clip of his. Floaters BUT i think that's why

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some people are so not so much. HIGHER i don't

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want to compare the, two but Aman thompson is a

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floorest basing. Liability but because of what he was kind

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of able to do from like the short mid range

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area a lot this. Season they feel better about him

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being a more variable offensive weapon than just somebody who

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needs to cut or be in the dunker spot or

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blow by somebody on.

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Speaker 3: Drives, yeah AND i think that's WHERE i like kind of.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of separate my opinion from a lot Of spurs,

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fans and like, Again spurs fans can feel however they

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want to. FEEL i love that they're excited About Stefan,

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castle BUT i think they're very much on the mindset, that,

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like this is a Future All, star this is a future.

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Star AND i don't know THAT i see that BECAUSE

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i just, again like watching all the games last, SEASON

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i watch every, GAME i watch every game. Twice you,

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Know i'm Obviously i'm diving through the numbers and even

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like the stuff THAT i have here in front of.

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Speaker 3: Me, like out of everyone in the league last.

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Speaker 2: Season who had at least one hundred and fifty attempts

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on floaters or in that floater range on non rim

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attempts inside the, paint he was bottom ten in terms of.

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Efficiency he was also one of the worst mid range

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shooters in the. League he graded out as one of

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the worst three point shooters in the. League he was

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not particularly good off the, Dribble he wasn't great off the,

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catch and even just like specifically on, floaters if we

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just isolate the floaters and we're not talking about just

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non rim attempts inside the, paint like.

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Speaker 3: The touch wasn't great.

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Speaker 2: THERE a lot of his separation was predicated on change of,

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pace but also just like brute, strength ability to lower

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his shoulder.

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Speaker 3: Creates just guys out of the.

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Speaker 2: Way, yeah, yeah but like that's that's my concern is

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that like if if he's not able to become a

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floor spacer or create off the dribble a little bit,

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better or be more efficient getting to the, Rim like

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even his rim, attempts like directly at the, rim he

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was just sort of league average in that. Regard SO

476
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i don't, Know i'm not saying that he can't get

477
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,599
to another, level But i'm definitely more skeptical of his

478
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,160
long term outcome being star than Most spurs fans. ARE

479
00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:33,720
i think a lot of what we saw with him

480
00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:36,640
last year was simply, Opportunity like are you going to

481
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,759
have that opportunity now that you have When binyama, healthy

482
00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:41,880
now that you have Deeron fox? Healthy now that you've

483
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,960
Added Dylan, harper now that you, have you still Have Devin,

484
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,440
vessel you still Have Kelden, johnson you still Have Jeremy

485
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,359
so there's a lot of mouths. Defeat so my opinion would,

486
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,359
be rather than seeing like a massive increase in his you,

487
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,519
know like literal production as far as like points per,

488
00:20:58,519 --> 00:21:00,799
game rebounds per, game assists per, game we'll probably see

489
00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:02,240
a drop, off which is not going to be any

490
00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:04,839
fault of. His But i'm more concerned, with like you,

491
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,319
mentioned does the efficiency spike in any area that indicates

492
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,599
that we can, expect you, know any any real signs

493
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,279
of major.

494
00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 3: DEVELOPMENT i.

495
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't, know And i'm not saying it's not gonna,

496
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,720
happen But i'm definitely a little more skeptical just having watched,

497
00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:21,920
him AND i just don't know That i've seen anything

498
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,440
that points towards like this guy is gonna have like

499
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,400
a crazy good season this. Season and that's not to

500
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,960
say he's not gonna have a good. Season But i'm

501
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,000
more skeptical THAN i think.

502
00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 1: MOST i have no rationale behind, this except for like

503
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,200
there was a small stretch of last season where he

504
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,039
looks super comfortable doing. It but because of his strength

505
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,799
and if he's going to be able to SET i

506
00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:43,319
have faith that he. Is he can hit like An

507
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,920
Eric gordon ultra deep spot up three at a semi reasonable.

508
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,480
Clip one day they had him stationed out, there maybe

509
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,640
like not as often as the season more, on especially

510
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,759
if he's gonna be on the, BALL i think that

511
00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:58,039
he can do. IT i don't know. WHY i just

512
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,359
having seen there was like it was like eleven game

513
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,359
stretch or, SOMETHING i think towards the first quarter of the,

514
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,440
year AND i was, watching, LIKE i think he's gonna

515
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,880
be able to do. That but that's counterintuitive. Too if

516
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,599
we're worried about him upping his, floater can't you just

517
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,160
hit a spot up three from like a few feet in.

518
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,240
There BUT i believe, that like he can be a,

519
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,680
threat and maybe he just has to do with his,

520
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,680
strength like that's not going to be like a huge

521
00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:20,160
lift for him to get it. Off BUT i DON'T

522
00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:23,599
i honestly don't know how to feel about him offensively long,

523
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,839
term especially in the environment that they have.

524
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: Him and, now, yeah AND i guess, again LIKE i

525
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,720
Think i'm still pretty skeptical about him being a four

526
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:34,960
spacer in any. MEANINGFUL i, mean like quite, literally if

527
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,079
you go by like there's a metric of total points

528
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,799
added by shooters by combining their long, twos their free,

529
00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:44,440
throws they're catch and shoot three point, attempts and they're

530
00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:46,880
pull up three point. Attempts the worst player in the

531
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,480
league last season by that metric Was, yiannis which obviously

532
00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:52,440
he's Not he got a lot better at that, midrange

533
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,559
but like the free throws really offset. That he took

534
00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:56,519
a ton of free throws and he's still terrible. There,

535
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,319
uh the second worst player in the league was the.

536
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,920
Foncast And i'm not saying that that means he's always

537
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,640
gonna be one of the worst shooters in the.

538
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: League but to, me that's not a great.

539
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,839
Speaker 2: Indicator like there's No you look for the free throw, percentage,

540
00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:12,480
okay not. Great you look at the percentage on the,

541
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:14,720
floaters not. Great you look at the percentage at the

542
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,319
rim pretty, good it's about league. Average three point percentage

543
00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,279
off the bounce not. Good three point percentage catch and

544
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:24,359
shoot below league. Average so there's just really like at this,

545
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,960
point no indicator other than LIKE i feel statements and

546
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,799
like in my, gut like in my, HEART i feel

547
00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:30,319
like you know WHAT i.

548
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 3: Mean so, again Now i'm not A Stefan castle.

549
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,599
Speaker 2: HATER i think he actually could be huge for The

550
00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:38,279
San Antonio, spurs probably in a reduced role as more

551
00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:41,640
of a connector. Wingstopper if he could add, space even

552
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,599
just a respectable catch and shoot, THREE.

553
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,839
Speaker 3: I think he becomes innumerably more.

554
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,559
Speaker 2: Valuable but, YEAH i think that that's that's a that's

555
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:49,920
a tough.

556
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 3: Ask that's a really tough.

557
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: Ask that's WHY i like talking about rookies and sophomores

558
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,240
BECAUSE i feel like you're entitled to go off vibes

559
00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:57,880
for those first two.

560
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: Years that's that's.

561
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: Fair, Fair, So Dylan, harper any early what are your

562
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,119
early impressions of? Him and just also how would you

563
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,079
Expect you talked about this a little bit with when

564
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,240
looking at the staggering, stuff but how do you expect

565
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:11,759
The spurs to bring him along in year, one especially

566
00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:14,519
again because you Have Steph castle And Diaron fox on this.

567
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: Roster, yeah, SO i MEAN i Think Stefan castle And Darren,

568
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,000
fox those are going to be your starter's day one

569
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:22,519
Alongside Devin. Vessel AND i think if you want to

570
00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:25,359
get the most out of out of you Know harper

571
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,720
and his developmental. TRACK i think you're gonna let him

572
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,480
take the reins of the second. UNIT i think you

573
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,240
got to let him have those, reps have those touches

574
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:34,640
be the primary engine of that offense when the bench

575
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,240
unit comes.

576
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,039
Speaker 3: In AND i think that's.

577
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: FINE i would be very happy to see that BECAUSE

578
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,759
i think we saw that at times last season With Stefan,

579
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:44,720
castle before he was an everyday, starter he was allowed

580
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,960
to be a guy who got to run some offense

581
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,759
off the, bench AND i think that's the exact right

582
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,920
thing that you. Want AND i think the other thing

583
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,160
At Summer league that kind of surprised me was one

584
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,440
like you talked about a little bit, earlier his ability

585
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,200
to get off the ball and be effective as a.

586
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,119
Cutter he did spot up and he he wasn't, great

587
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,880
but he definitely wasn't just stationary standing in one. Place

588
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,039
he didn't look uncomfortable without the ball in his, hands

589
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:09,519
AND i thought that was a huge sign that hey like.

590
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: That that's a big.

591
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: Positive that's a big positive as opposed to someone who's

592
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,839
used to having the ball in their hands and they're

593
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,640
kind of just stagnant and they never moved they're never,

594
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,960
cutting they're never relocating around the. Perimeter but, TWO i

595
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,000
thought his defensive effort was like night and day compared

596
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:26,359
to what we saw At. Rutgers like, that to, me

597
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,359
that that's an even bigger like if you can get

598
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,920
him to buy in a little bit and like put

599
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,720
effort nowt maybe that wanes a little bit if his you,

600
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:35,640
know his his offensive load.

601
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:36,279
Speaker 3: Increases over the.

602
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,039
Speaker 2: Years BUT i would love to see that same intensity

603
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:42,480
THAT i saw At Summer league continued throughout the. Season

604
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,279
BECAUSE i don't Think Dylan harper will ever be a plus,

605
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,440
defender BUT i definitely think he can be like a net,

606
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,680
neutral which to me is a. Win that would be

607
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,200
a huge win for The spurs considering his history as a.

608
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: Defender anything else about any of these, guards the three

609
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,839
guard dynamic that's maybe flying under the radar we haven't

610
00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:01,799
talked about, Yet or is this team gonna MISS cp

611
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359
Three and like the ball control there Is Daron fox

612
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,920
good enough at that just anything at?

613
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,039
Speaker 2: All, YEAH i THINK i, LIKE i don't think LIKE

614
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:11,920
i think you might miss a little bit of like.

615
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:16,640
Leadership CERTAINLY cp three wasn't turning the ball over one

616
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,519
of the best as far as like assist a turnover.

617
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:20,480
Ratio But i'm not that worried as far as like

618
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,039
turnovers going up a, Bunch LIKE i Think Stefan castle

619
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,400
is a pretty cautious. PLAYMAKER i Think Daron fox is

620
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,799
a is a is a great. Playmaker he does turn

621
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,160
the ball over a little bit. More BUT i also

622
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,599
think sometimes we falsely equate like low turnovers into great.

623
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:39,000
Playmaking LIKE i think if you're a great, playmaker sometimes

624
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,519
you got to take those. Risks like you look at

625
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,720
the best playmakers in the, league The Luka, doncic's The Trey,

626
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:47,039
young's The Tyre's, Halliburns like they turn the ball over

627
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,480
quite a, bit but that's because they're trying to fit

628
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,359
balls into windows that may just barely be. There you,

629
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,720
know they're taking. Risks they see things that other people aren't.

630
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,519
Seeing and and, again like if the turnovers are up

631
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,039
dramatically across the ball OR i could see how that

632
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,000
would be an, issue BUT i.

633
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't really think that's gonna be a big.

634
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: DEAL i do think they will miss some of, that

635
00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:09,640
like kind of late game floor general like gathering the troops,

636
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,119
together like this is our game, plan like let's stay level.

637
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,920
HEADED i don't, know aside from really Like Harrison, barnes

638
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,440
maybe any guy who really fills that vocal leadership void

639
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,079
that's left behind WITH cp. Three but we'll see that

640
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,240
that could be definitely the difference between winning and losing

641
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,640
a few late, games close.

642
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,519
Speaker 3: Games But i'm Not i'm not that.

643
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,279
Speaker 2: Worried, about you, know LOSING cp, Three and in, FACT

644
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,079
i was actually kind of concerned that they might be

645
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,640
interested in bringing him back BECAUSE i think long, term development,

646
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,839
wise they had to let him go to let other guys.

647
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: Thrive Jeremy, Sohan where DOES i think we have enough

648
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,799
evidence they've tried to fit him into some different roles

649
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:53,960
we had Point Jeremy. Sohn Jeremy. SOHAN i feel like

650
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:56,079
at this point it's safe to say that he feels

651
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,759
best off as like a cutter and a wing. Defender

652
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,920
where does does he fit now, though into the context

653
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,279
of this, team BECAUSE i don't, know we were talking

654
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,440
about the space and we're talking about the three. Guards

655
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:08,640
where does he fit in with this team and how

656
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,039
do they like best optimize?

657
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,319
Speaker 2: Him oh, man that's so. TOUGH i feel Like i'm

658
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,160
gonna catch flak for this. Again BECAUSE i feel like

659
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,799
people Think i'm just a massive, hater BUT i think

660
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,440
it's gonna be really hard to find, minutes like big

661
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,160
minutes for. Him if you also have big minutes for

662
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,240
a guy Like Stefan, castle you just. Can't you can't

663
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:28,960
really play him. Together we saw, that like their net

664
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,839
rating together was terrible last season when two man, lineups

665
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,359
so you can't play them. Together and if you made

666
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,480
me choose Between Stefan castle And Jeremy, Sohan i'm gonna

667
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,160
Go Stefan castle pretty. Easily, LIKE i Think Stefan castle

668
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,079
is a better, PASSER i think he's a better. CONNECTOR

669
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:45,960
i think he's a little more versatile, DEFENSIVELY i think

670
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,799
he's a guy who can ball handle a little bit

671
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,359
better than a guy Like. Sohan So, like even even

672
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,559
as far as shooting, goes we Saw Stefan castle may

673
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,160
not have had a good percentage from, three but he

674
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,160
was a willing spot up, shooter Whereas sohn passed up

675
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,880
on a lot of opportunities and guys just left So

676
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,119
hand alone even when he was out, There, like people

677
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,319
still at least closed out To Stefan, castle even if

678
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:09,960
that might not have been in their best.

679
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: Interest people are willing to Leave sohn alone and live

680
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:14,400
with the.

681
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,039
Speaker 2: Consequences SO i don't know how he fits long. Term

682
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,559
i'd love to see him. Here it's one of those

683
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:24,480
tough things that you kind of grow attached to to certain.

684
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Players he's got a great, personality he's great on and

685
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:31,519
off the. Court he's high, effort high. Motor BUT i

686
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,759
just DON'T i don't know where he fits in long

687
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
term because he's not a he's not a ball. Handler

688
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:40,000
he's not a guy who can space the. Floor he's

689
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,799
not a self creator in any. Way he's mostly a.

690
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,240
Cutter and, like if if that's kind of what you

691
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,559
might envision for Stefan castle in between his secondary ball handling,

692
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,799
opportunities then you, know where's the room for So.

693
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,519
Speaker 3: Hand that's a.

694
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,599
Speaker 2: Question i'll actually ask, You like where where do you

695
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,480
feel like So hand feels fits?

696
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: IN i don't.

697
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,079
Speaker 1: KNOW i think he, does AND i that's Why i've

698
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:03,839
Seen i'm not there. Yet And i've Seen spurs, fans

699
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,839
which again, rightfully so love fans of all, teams why

700
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,480
they get so upset when people think that The spurs

701
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,319
should have capitalized and move Stefan castle, Already because of

702
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,680
the peak of his value and intrigue because you're worried

703
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,680
about that long term. Fit there's a case to be

704
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,279
made that they kind of reached that point With Jeremy

705
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,720
sohan and have now passed, it BECAUSE i even wonder

706
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:24,400
with if you want to Optimize Jeremy, sohan you can't

707
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,640
also do that and then we Want victorioberna how to

708
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640
get more paint. Touches like it's just like it's not

709
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,079
gonna work. Happen, yeah, Yeah SO i don't think his

710
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:35,279
futures on this, team which stinks BECAUSE i was super

711
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,440
high ON i actually was in favor of like the

712
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Point sohan experiment way back when we're talking to you about.

713
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,680
IT i, THOUGHT i think defensively he can be really,

714
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,799
good BUT i don't know where the role. IS i,

715
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,359
mean even had they not Gotten Dylan, harper we would

716
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,279
still be having The sohan conversation.

717
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah AND i think like part of it's easy

718
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,440
to forget if you're A spurs fan and you really

719
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,759
Love sohn and you think it can work with him In.

720
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,559
Castle but Like sohn missed a lot of games last season,

721
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,200
too so there was a lot of opportunities for like

722
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,839
not a lot of opportunities for us to see him

723
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:09,720
And castle, together but like even when we did see

724
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,680
them together, again like it just it didn't work. Great

725
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,720
and again it's tough BECAUSE i really do Like. SOHAN

726
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,720
i think HE'S i don't think he's a. SCRUB i

727
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:20,440
don't think he's. TRASH i don't think he should be

728
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,720
out of the, league nothing like. THAT i think he

729
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,720
does have a bright future in THE. NBA i just

730
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:26,839
don't know that it's In San.

731
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: ANTONIO i don't love getting into player comps all the,

732
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,279
time BUT i don't EVEN i don't watch, him and

733
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:33,920
Like I've i've struggled to think, of, like, well what

734
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,319
could he turn? Into like with what he's doing right,

735
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:39,319
now there's not like an excellent comp for, HIM i, Feel,

736
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,519
NO i don't think there.

737
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: Isn't AND i think a lot Of spurs fans have

738
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,079
likened him To Draymond, green BUT i always tell them

739
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,440
to pump the brakes on, that because One Draymond green

740
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:52,440
is in my, opinion he's one of the best processors

741
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,119
off of Dh o's that we've ever. Seen he he

742
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,319
just has this innate ability to know when he should

743
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,759
keep the, ball when he should hit a. Cutter he's

744
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,640
all so he can run pick and rolls alongside a

745
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160
guy Like, steph which obviously that's a luxury to have

746
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,640
someone Like. Steph that's but that's also a luxury to

747
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,799
have someone Like Wimbin. YAMA i don't BUT i would

748
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,680
never Ask sohn to run pick and rolls With Wimbin.

749
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,839
Yama like he's not a particularly good ball. Handler he's

750
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,440
not someone who's comfortable when guys pressure, him especially when

751
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,680
smaller defenders get under. Him and, like even though you

752
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,319
wouldn't Call Draymond green a floor, spacer he certainly will

753
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,880
shoot a shot if he's, Open Like sohan doesn't really

754
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,880
shoot threes even when he's. Open AND i don't think

755
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,160
when you look At sohn and you look At, draymond

756
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,160
Like draymond is an all. Timer, Defensively, yeah not only

757
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,000
is he great at stopping guys like on, ball but

758
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:44,240
he's also an event, Creator like he comes up with,

759
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,640
steals he comes up with, blocks he's a great weak

760
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,039
side rim. Protector he's a great presence in in the passing.

761
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,559
Lanes Like sohn is good at stopping guys one on,

762
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,359
one certain guys one on, one but he's not an event. Creator,

763
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,880
like he's not coming up with a bunch of st

764
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:02,279
he's not coming up with a bunch of. Blocks he's

765
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:06,359
not impacting the game in that. Way SO i just

766
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,240
have a hard time, going oh, yeah like you, know

767
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,440
this is a guy who should who should be his aspirational, player,

768
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,599
like because to, me that's.

769
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: Unrealistic Draymond green is so to me one of.

770
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,799
Speaker 2: One like, physically maybe they're similar in terms of maybe wingspan,

771
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,880
HEIGHT i don't even know that that's the. Case BUT

772
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,759
i think just because they play a similar, position The

773
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,079
spurs tried to force a you know around you, know

774
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:30,720
peg into a square hole or whatever it's.

775
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,799
Speaker 3: Called i'm SURE i got that saying. Wrong for.

776
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,079
Speaker 2: SURE i think it's the opposite way. Around but just

777
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:36,720
because they tried to make him be a point, guard

778
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:38,039
yeah he's.

779
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: Not he's not.

780
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,079
Speaker 2: That like he's not a point forward, Either he's not.

781
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,680
That so Love, SOHAN i do think he has a

782
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,640
future in THE. NBA i just, again like kind of

783
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,200
like you, Said i'm not sure that it's In San.

784
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,799
Antonio if you still Have harper and you still Have,

785
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,359
castle and if you made me pick those, GUYS i

786
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,119
would pick them Over Sohan, unfortunately.

787
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: What how does this all Impact Devian, vessel who in

788
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,319
theory is supposed to be a guard. Himself and you,

789
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:07,039
know you, KNOW i Love Devin, vessell But Harper, Fox Castle,

790
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,280
visell like that's that's gonna be an interesting dynamic.

791
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,159
Speaker 2: Too, YEAH i kind of Think Devin vessell's impacted pretty.

792
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,239
Negligibly LIKE i maybe his his like touches go, down

793
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,039
his volume goes. Down as far as his like you,

794
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:24,440
know the primary touches where they allow him to kind

795
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,760
of get to his spots and run some pick and

796
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,199
rolls to to get to the mid, range like that

797
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,639
probably goes down a little bit because, again like they've

798
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:32,519
got more mouths to.

799
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: Feed but as far as.

800
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,639
Speaker 2: Like what his shot diet looks like, overall LIKE i

801
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,360
DON'T i don't think it changes all that. Much like he's,

802
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,760
still at least in my, opinion your best floor, spacer

803
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,480
your most reliable floor. Spacer he's still like MAYBE i,

804
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,320
mean now That fox is on the, roster he's definitely

805
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,800
not your best you, know go get a bucket, guy

806
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,440
but he's still probably the second best on the. Roster

807
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,320
if you, said, hey like here's the, ball go get a,

808
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,760
bucket like try to get a mismatch out of the

809
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,320
pick and rolls all the Big like that's not a

810
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,920
lot of other guys on the, roster especially like guards

811
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,679
Slash wings can do. That it's mostly Just Daron, Fox

812
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,880
devin Vessel harper who can do that at this, Point,

813
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,480
LIKE i don't really think you're looking At castle to do.

814
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:21,599
That you're not Asking champagnie to do. That you're not

815
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,880
asking So hand to do. That you're not asking you,

816
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Know jordan McLaughlin if he even gets on the court

817
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,719
to do, That, LIKE i don't think it impacts him that.

818
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,480
Much BUT i also think the addition Of harper definitely

819
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:34,760
Makes vaselle more.

820
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,119
Speaker 3: Expendable like If harper.

821
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,159
Speaker 2: Hits in a way that we don't expect sooner than we, Expect, like, yeah,

822
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,119
Definitely Devin vasselle is. Expendable AND i Love Devin. VESSELL

823
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,079
i know you know That i'm A i'm a a cell,

824
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,719
Truther i'm of a cell. Guy but, YEAH i think

825
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,119
he definitely becomes more. Expendable but in that same, breath

826
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,559
like it's kind of hard to move off of him

827
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,440
because he is so integral to providing that floor spacing

828
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,360
for a team that still largely has a earth of

829
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,760
that they don't they don't have a ton of floor

830
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,360
spacing at the.

831
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: Moment, yeah the.

832
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: MOVIE i know he likes to work on the, ball

833
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,519
and he's like, QUIETLY i mean you mentioned, this he's, like,

834
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,800
quietly you trust him to make tough. Shots you probably

835
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,480
don't want him taking some of the shots he's, taken

836
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,119
but like he can take tough. Shots but there's also

837
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,960
like when he gets moving off the ball that can

838
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,119
put a ton of pressure on. Defenses and SO i

839
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,320
hope he kind of enters, offensively not comparing them, defensively

840
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,960
but like it could be set up depending on how

841
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,559
you just feel About fox And harpburn if they're ever playing,

842
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:29,719
Together like he could be weirdly set up to like

843
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,280
be entering The Derek white phase of his like In,

844
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,559
boston offensive like phase of his. Career and you could

845
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,079
do some stuff on, ball but you're gonna have to

846
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,559
do a lot of your, work you, know, catch go or,

847
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,159
Shoot AND i think he's capable of doing. That so

848
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,880
and we keep bringing everything back to sports like you,

849
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,880
Did BUT i don't think maybe there's a chance he becomes,

850
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,119
Expendable BUT i obviously if you want this three guard

851
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,239
dynamic to. Work as of right, NOW i think he's

852
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,199
arguably become like more important to tying that all.

853
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: Together, sure AND i think that's.

854
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: FAIR i just, think like if if you want to like,

855
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,079
it like, again if If Dylan harper's, better LIKE i,

856
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,000
think AND i do Think Dylan harper's a guy who

857
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,679
does have that all star. Potential but if he hits

858
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:11,760
that sooner than we, EXPECT i don't know that you

859
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,280
can keep him In castle And fox and and and

860
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,000
maybe that does Make fox more expendable in the long run,

861
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:17,800
too you.

862
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: Know but, yeah there's so many possibilities with this.

863
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: Team it kind of just feels like a mystery box

864
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,440
and you open it and you're, Like, okay well whatever

865
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,639
comes out comes, Out LIKE i don't know exactly what

866
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,639
to expect the, season AND i think that's what makes

867
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,480
this season kind of. Fun like there's so many different

868
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:36,239
outcomes and a lot of them are. Positive there's not

869
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,960
a lot of outcomes THAT i see, like oh, man

870
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,079
like this is just such a disappointing season like, This

871
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,079
LIKE i don't expect them to win a.

872
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,639
Speaker 3: Title if they won a playoff, series that would be.

873
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: Fantastic but if they just made the playoffs or the

874
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,119
plan and they give a higher seed a run for their,

875
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,639
money like, that to, me is still a very successful.

876
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,199
Speaker 3: Season, yeah they have.

877
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: To have one of that have not gone through. This

878
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:57,920
they have to have one of the like highest floor

879
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,679
of ceiling ranges in the entire.

880
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,079
Speaker 2: League, YEAH i, MEAN i don't think for, ME i

881
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,199
don't think there's a scenario in which they are a

882
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,119
team with a losing. Record BUT i definitely think they

883
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,119
could be a team that could either be like kind

884
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,960
of middle of the table, finish like you, know in

885
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,960
that playing spot where they're just barely above five. Hundred

886
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,119
BUT i also think if things hit the right way

887
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,000
and people gel in a way that maybe we don't

888
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,880
expect them, to and maybe some people take some developmental

889
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,000
leaps that we don't, expect like, that this could be

890
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,639
a team that's like a top Four and that sounds

891
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,039
kind of, Ridiculous i'm sure to. People but like If

892
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,960
Wimbin yama shows up and is a completely at some

893
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:38,880
and we'll talk About wimby in a, bit but If

894
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,639
wimby hits in a different way, again And Darren fox

895
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,280
is healthy and that dynamic is, working And Devin vesell is,

896
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,639
working and you've Got Dylan harper off the bench playing

897
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,880
better than you, expect And castle's hitting And champagne is.

898
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,559
Speaker 3: Playing LIKE i think they're they've got a really deep.

899
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,519
Speaker 2: Team LIKE i think that's also like one of the

900
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:56,719
more underrated aspects of the. Team i'm just looking at

901
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,239
the depth chart as of right, now and it's Like, Fox,

902
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,280
Vacelle Cast, barnes those are all guys who would start

903
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:02,719
on a lot of.

904
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 3: Teams, harper that's.

905
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: Fantastic, again he's a, rookie so maybe we Don't i'm

906
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,119
not sure exactly what we can expect, There But champange's

907
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:13,320
AN nba, Player Keldon johnson is AN nba, player so

908
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,280
hand can you know play good minutes for? You cornette

909
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,119
definitely somebody who can play good minutes for. You and

910
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,920
then you've Got Kelly, olenick WHO i think he'll be

911
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,719
one of the guys Who i'd love to see play

912
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,760
in some weird lineups that we'll get to. Later but,

913
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,199
YEAH i, mean, like this is a team THAT i

914
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,239
think has more depth than maybe people are giving them credit.

915
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: For let's talk About. Wemby it only took us forty

916
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,920
minutes to get. Here aside from we'd like to see

917
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,840
him play in more, games be eligible for the. Awards

918
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,800
what are you watching for most closely from him in year?

919
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: Three, yeah, WELL i think he took a massive leap

920
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,880
from year one to year, two like even even just

921
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,119
in terms of like kind of diversifying his portfolio on,

922
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,480
offense like we saw, him saw him kind of work

923
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,480
more spots around the. Court but What i'm really looking

924
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,719
forward to seeing him do is gets a line more.

925
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,199
Often and maybe that kind of isn't what everybody might

926
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,920
be expecting for me to be looking for, Him but

927
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,320
just last, YEAR i felt like he didn't get to

928
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,320
the line that, often AND i was, like, well is

929
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,440
that just A i feel statement or is that like?

930
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:16,400
Real was that something that actually? Happened AND i went,

931
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,440
BACK i look through the, numbers and there's not that

932
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,639
many numbers to look. Through he's only played two, seasons

933
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,960
but he had less free throw attempts his second season

934
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:26,960
than his rookie, season but he averaged more.

935
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: Points And i'd.

936
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:30,559
Speaker 2: Love to see him get to the line more because

937
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:32,039
you look at all the players in the league who

938
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,480
averaged at least twenty four points per, game last season

939
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,000
and he had the second fewest free throw. Attempts and,

940
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,519
like for, me a guy who to me is one

941
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,079
of those guys Like aiannis or A Lebron james that like.

942
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: Are so tough to.

943
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: OFFICIATE i feel like he could be getting to the

944
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,639
line more. Often definitely more than four times a, game you,

945
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,400
Know like that is getting to the line even two

946
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,800
more times a game and shooting you, know eighty five

947
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,840
percent from the free throw, Line like that's his career.

948
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,079
Mark like that's takes you from you, know averaging twenty

949
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,679
four points per game or twenty four point whatever to

950
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,719
twenty six points per game something like. That so, YEAH

951
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,960
i want him to get to the line more. OFTEN

952
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,400
i want to see him be more aggressive in that.

953
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,519
Speaker 1: WAY i think that's a realistic goal to have. Too

954
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,000
when you now have in theory Between Dylan harper and

955
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,599
De Aaron, fox like two guys who are gonna get

956
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,280
into the teeth of the, defense get so deep into

957
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,119
the paint that now he's gonna get these paint or

958
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,639
should get these paint touches that are not self, created

959
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,119
and so like when defenses are, scrambling they might be

960
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:28,719
more likely to foul, him And i'm also kind of

961
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,840
interested to SEE i think that he can be a

962
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,440
really good passer and the handle might always be agree

963
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,559
just a little if he had, to because he's so fucking,

964
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,960
Tall like the distance that boss that travels. Insane but

965
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:40,960
Like i'm wondering if he can get like like if

966
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,519
his assist totals can go up a little, bit because

967
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:45,760
if he's gonna be able to maybe operate out of

968
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,960
like a short roll more when he's like going downhill

969
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,360
and able to find cutters or that this is where

970
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,880
the shooting is a big one, though like if you

971
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,920
have more proven shooters in the corners or, WHATEVER i

972
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,360
could see him getting easier assists WHERE i feel like

973
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,320
he didn't have a lot of easy assists last year

974
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,880
because they weren't set up for.

975
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,079
Speaker 3: It, yeah, NO i, AGREE i agree with you. THERE

976
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:04,960
i did want.

977
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,639
Speaker 2: To just touch on the free thing two for a

978
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,480
second BECAUSE i feel like again with being like aggressive

979
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,639
and WHEN i say, AGGRESSIVE i mean like being physical

980
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,679
and like leaning into contact as opposed To and you've

981
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:18,639
Watched i'm sure you've watched a ton Of Wimby like

982
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:21,320
he's he's box off as everybody's Watching. Wimby but one

983
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,039
of the things With wimby that kind of drives me

984
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:26,320
crazy sometimes is he will opt for like the toughest

985
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,559
shot on the court instead of just leaning into contact

986
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:33,360
like guys play him, physically AND i think a lot

987
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,960
of times instead of like leaning into that trying to draw,

988
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,239
fouls he kind of fades. Away he hits those, leaners

989
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,239
he's hitting face like he's he's not leaning into the

990
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,239
contact that is there that could get him to the.

991
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,599
Line but as far as the passing goes TO i

992
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:49,000
think we have seen a lot from him as a,

993
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,880
passer AND i agree like the easy. Assists if people

994
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,519
can just knock down the open opportunities that will probably

995
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:57,519
be there now that you have you, Know.

996
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: Fox, Healthy wimby, healthy that's.

997
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: HUGE i do think we could see a big spike

998
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,519
across the board for, him even with more mouths. DEFEAT

999
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,320
i think When Ben yama is still the guy who

1000
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,920
you're you're getting the ball to him as often as you.

1001
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: Can you have any early impressions Of Carter bryant defensive

1002
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,840
monster in Summer league and how maybe he does just

1003
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,320
like how are they going to bring him? Along and

1004
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,840
then how would that impact what it's about all these

1005
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,199
trickle down. Effects but when you're looking at A Harrison,

1006
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,360
Barnes Keldon, Johnson JULIAN champenni how he might impact those

1007
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,679
guys is a minutes. MORE i Think barnes is kind

1008
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:32,760
of just because of the floor like reliable force basing

1009
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,559
element might be the most lock of the, three but

1010
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:38,199
he's also kind of the most when you're looking at

1011
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:40,679
his contract might be the most. Expendable So, god this

1012
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,239
team is so damn. Fascinating, Sorry, Karen.

1013
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:47,079
Speaker 3: No, yeah, NO i THINK i Like Carter. BRYANT i

1014
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,079
do think he's a. PROJECT i don't think he's a

1015
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:49,880
guy who plug and.

1016
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: Play like even At Summer league he was super, inefficient

1017
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,199
super inefficient and loved the defense, Though and like that's

1018
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,000
something That i'm working on for my site right now

1019
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,280
is a video On carter bryan and just his versatility,

1020
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,599
defensively his engine. Defensively BUT i do think it's he's

1021
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:08,239
gonna be hard pressed to get on the court Right

1022
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:14,400
like he's got a User Keldon, Johnson Julian Champenny Castle

1023
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,119
barnes for minutes on the, wing AND i just don't

1024
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,280
unless there's like some surprise trade or injury knock On, Wood,

1025
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,000
LIKE i just don't see that, happening AND i would

1026
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480
anticipate they bring them along in very much the same

1027
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:28,679
way that they have a lot of the other younger

1028
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,480
guys on this, roster where it's all, right one way

1029
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,840
ticket to THE G league and you're playing with The Austin.

1030
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,039
Spurs And i've always kind of liked that they've done.

1031
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,400
That in some, WAYS i can see how it's. Frustrating

1032
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,119
you've got young guys during a rebuild in THE G,

1033
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,599
league but they're not in that rebuilding phase, anymore like

1034
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:48,239
they're ready to start trying to. Win and if you're

1035
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,239
trying to, WIN i just don't know That Carter bryan

1036
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,679
is built to win right. Now BUT i love THE

1037
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,960
G league for The spurs and the way they utilize,

1038
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,880
it where guys who even though when they get to

1039
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,920
THE nba their role will never be primary ball handler and,

1040
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
playmaker they kind of forced them into that role in

1041
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
THE G. League we've seen it with guys Like Keldon,

1042
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:07,960
johnson we saw it with a even a guy Like

1043
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,559
Lukas shamanich a little bit like force them to operate

1044
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,440
outside of their comfort zone and round out their skill,

1045
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:18,280
set AND i think in the long term that'll be

1046
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,440
helpful For Carter. Bryant and then again, also you know

1047
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,719
with The Austin SPURS G, league like nobody really cares

1048
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,480
about the. Record there's no pressure to, win there's no

1049
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:30,719
pressure to perform right. AWAY i think that's that's probably

1050
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,079
the most likely path For Carter bryant is we're gonna

1051
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,079
see him play every game possible with The Austin, spurs

1052
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,320
and then when they have lulls in their, schedule they

1053
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,079
will call him back up to the team so we

1054
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,639
can watch from the bench and learn something on the.

1055
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Sideline, yeah his offense was rough In Summer. LEAGUE i

1056
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,000
really hope we get TO i just want to see

1057
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:51,719
Him castle And wemby on the floor together BECAUSE i

1058
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,920
feel like that's just like a defensive terror between.

1059
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: Those, yeah that would be a.

1060
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,679
Speaker 2: Nightmare that would that you would be giving people an

1061
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,960
absolute like one way trip To that would just be

1062
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,880
terrible for if you if you're out there and you

1063
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,000
have to face, that that would be.

1064
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: Terrible those guys are flying all over the.

1065
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,199
Speaker 2: Place but, YEAH i, MEAN i the likelihood that they

1066
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,880
that that he's gonna get on the court too many

1067
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,360
times this, SEASON i WOULD i would set the over

1068
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,880
under it like ten. GAMES i don't think he plays

1069
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,320
more wow for The spurs unless something. Happened, WELL i,

1070
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,679
Mean i'm just looking at like guys like who a

1071
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,079
lot Of spurs fans really loved and Like City, Susoko

1072
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,440
LIKE i. Don't maybe he maybe played like ten to

1073
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,000
fifteen games last season and it's like at the very

1074
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:37,199
end of games where the result is already, settled you're

1075
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,000
just out there as a formality to close out the

1076
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:41,119
game and make sure no one else has to has

1077
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:42,239
to spend another minute on the.

1078
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 3: Court SO i just would be really surprised if he

1079
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,039
plays in any real games in any meaningful.

1080
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: Way the Other spurs kid that had people, Buzzing David Jones,

1081
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,440
garcia what are you earlier impressions to?

1082
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,559
Speaker 3: HIM i like.

1083
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: HIM i do think he's kind of just like on

1084
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,599
a you earned it two way. CONTRACT i don't anticipate

1085
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:03,320
he'll play a lot like he is a little.

1086
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: Undersized but what a show. Man he put on a.

1087
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,199
Speaker 2: Show he was awesome in THE G league last season,

1088
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,800
Too LIKE i think at some point last season in

1089
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,800
THE G, league towards the end of the, season with

1090
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:15,800
The Mexico City.

1091
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 3: Capitanas he was.

1092
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: On a roll where he had like fifty, one forty,

1093
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,480
five thirty, six thirty, four forty. Eight like the guy

1094
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:25,960
can score the, ball and he can score from multiple,

1095
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,840
Levels like he is a legit self. Creator that being, said,

1096
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,360
undersized not much of a, playmaker like he's not really

1097
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,519
doing much for other, guys and defensively he's kind of a.

1098
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,480
WASH i don't expect him to play a lot for The.

1099
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:42,519
Spurs but, man he's like a feel good. Story would

1100
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:44,000
love to see him get on the court at some

1101
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,800
point because he really, is like he's he's so much.

1102
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,039
Fun like he's, strong he's got a little bit of,

1103
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,719
burst his handles pretty. Refined he understands how to play

1104
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,280
with pace and change the pace and use angles like

1105
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,599
such a smart. Score but, again he's one of those

1106
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,119
guys THAT i JUST i don't know where you fit

1107
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:04,719
him into the, Rotation like there's just too there's too many.

1108
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,400
Guys there's there's just too many guys THAT i just

1109
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,079
don't see. HIM i don't see him playing and in

1110
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,519
like as far as the other two way Guys Riley

1111
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,000
minnix And Harrison ingram, too just to kind of get

1112
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:16,880
them off the out of the. WAY I i don't

1113
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,519
really see them playing that much THOUGH i do really

1114
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,199
Like Riley. MINNIX i will say THAT i Am i'm

1115
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,519
A i'm A Riley minnis. BELIEVER i don't know that

1116
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:27,719
he plays for The spurs much this, season but uh

1117
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:28,519
love his.

1118
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:31,079
Speaker 3: Game Love Riley, minnix so shout out to. Him but,

1119
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:31,840
yeah those.

1120
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: Guys stands out stands out About minnix to.

1121
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,639
Speaker 2: YOU i think he's another one of those guys who

1122
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,920
just super high, feel has LEGITIMATE nba, range great catch and.

1123
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: Shoot, guy can shoot off movement in THE.

1124
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: Nba will he ever have the ball in his, Hands probably,

1125
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Not but he's got a really sweet low post game

1126
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,079
where he can turn over either. Shoulder he works that pivot,

1127
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:58,000
foot he's hitting that bump secondary, bump you, know creates

1128
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,239
space through his, physicality gets to the, line and then

1129
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,119
he also just keeps the ball moving as a.

1130
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:07,199
Speaker 3: Passer. Like he's just a really cerebral player WHO i

1131
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:08,119
think could play in THE.

1132
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: Nba but, defensively like he's a little bit, slower like

1133
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,719
his feet are a little, heavy not the best lateral,

1134
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,920
mover but just a fun player LIKE i JUST i

1135
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,079
believe in him as like a guy who probably could

1136
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,000
break into the end of the rotation for. Someone but

1137
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:26,199
as far as The spurs, GO i, mean they just

1138
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,239
have too many. Guys they just got too many guys

1139
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,760
WHO i just don't think he's going to see the

1140
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,079
floor very much this season.

1141
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: Either are you ready to.

1142
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,639
Speaker 1: Enter the Cookie cutter Slash Lightning round portion of the?

1143
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,199
Speaker 3: Podcast, Absolutely i'm ready to. Go i'm ready to.

1144
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: Go so we've talked about probably a bunch of their

1145
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,079
biggest needs or. Concerns but to wrap it sort of,

1146
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,199
up what do you view as like this roster's biggest

1147
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:47,119
potential hole right?

1148
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:50,159
Speaker 3: Now, yeah biggest potential?

1149
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: HOLE i think maybe like the front court depth honestly

1150
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,760
is kind of like they if they run into and

1151
00:49:57,039 --> 00:49:59,519
this is a very hyper specific, scenario but if you

1152
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:02,440
run into somebody like the thunder who they you, know

1153
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,280
they've Got, Hardenstein they've also got chet holmgrin. That, LIKE

1154
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,320
i just DON'T i don't know that they have a

1155
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,519
ton of front cord. Depth you're looking At Wimbin, Yama, Cornett.

1156
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,599
OLENICK i guess you can Throw barns And sohan in.

1157
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,440
THERE i don't really view them as. Bigs but, YEAH

1158
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,480
i mean like they're not a particularly big. Team they're

1159
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,360
not a PARTICULARLY i, mean they don't have a ton

1160
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,800
of depth up.

1161
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: There but THAT'S i, mean that's hyper.

1162
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: SPECIFIC i think really the main concern for me is,

1163
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,199
that like they're not gonna have a ton of space

1164
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,760
to operate even with Like fox And wimby and like.

1165
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: That those things more bother me than.

1166
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: Anything SO i, again that may be a little bit

1167
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,280
of a cop out, answer but it's mostly the.

1168
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: Spacing LIKE i just don't want TO i want.

1169
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,079
Speaker 2: To believe in these guys knocking down their open, shots

1170
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,400
but there's only a handful of GUYS i really, trust

1171
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,199
AND i think we went through some of those, names

1172
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,559
like guys who will be off the, ball Like, Vicel, Champagne.

1173
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,159
Barnes other than, That waters can do. That but he's

1174
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:01,960
another guy WHO i don't really see playing that.

1175
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Much, NO i was building WHEN i was trying to

1176
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,760
map out their ten man, ROTATION i was, Like i'm

1177
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,000
going to figure out a way to put. HIM i

1178
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,480
couldn't do.

1179
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:11,119
Speaker 3: IT i Like Lendy waters, though but, YEAH i don't

1180
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:11,480
think he'll.

1181
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: PLAY i actually really like him, too probably way too,

1182
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,840
much But so what do you view anything about this,

1183
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,360
team whether it's a, strength it's a, concern a storyline,

1184
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,559
theme whatever that's flying under the radar that we haven't discussed.

1185
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: Yet flying under the radar for The, SEA i think,

1186
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,519
again like the, Depth LIKE i do think they have

1187
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,519
a good amount of depth over all on the, Roster

1188
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,079
AND i do think they have a lot of players

1189
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,800
who can fit a lot of different. Roles LIKE i,

1190
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,639
think if you wanted to label them, traditionally you probably

1191
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:42,159
could Call Stefan castle a point. Guard he played a

1192
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:44,320
lot of point guard last. Season Dylan harper is a point,

1193
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,719
guard he played point. Guard Dearon fox is a point.

1194
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,760
Guard you, know he's your starting point. Guard but a

1195
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,320
lot of these guys can play a lot of different,

1196
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,480
roles LIKE i can easily, see you, Know Stefan castle

1197
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:56,639
can play off the. Ball Dylan HARPER i have a

1198
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:58,320
little bit more belief in him playing off the ball

1199
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,360
after watching him In Summer.

1200
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,199
Speaker 3: League daron f definitely can play off the.

1201
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,159
Speaker 2: Ball there are a lot of moments where when he's With,

1202
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,280
sacramento you know he played off the ball or was

1203
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,960
the roller When sobonis was like. That you, know in

1204
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
those inverted pick and, Roles so LIKE i believe in

1205
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,960
those guys to play off the, ball play.

1206
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: A lot of different.

1207
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,639
Speaker 2: Roles Julian champennie is a guy, who you, know he

1208
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,760
may not be super versatile in terms of like what

1209
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,800
he brings, offensively like you know what he's gonna.

1210
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: Do he's gonna spot, up he's gonna, Cut that's about.

1211
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: It but, DEFENSIVELY i think they have a lot of

1212
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,159
guys who can switch and cover a lot of different,

1213
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,280
players AND i think that's probably their biggest strength is

1214
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,440
just looking across the. Roster you have a lot of

1215
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,000
guys who on their OWN i think are impressive, defensively

1216
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,440
but now next to Winm binyama allows them the freedom

1217
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:45,880
to gamble a little bit, more to be a little

1218
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,719
bit more, aggressive AND i think that's something that by

1219
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,840
the end of the, SEASON i think that'll be one

1220
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,119
of the areas that The spurs lead in the. League

1221
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,199
probably will be like turnovers, forced BECAUSE i think guys

1222
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,199
will be able to just be more aggressive in the passing,

1223
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,159
lanes take a few more stabs at the ball on

1224
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,239
ball and not worry about their guy getting by, them

1225
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,639
because guess what When benyama, healthy he can cover a

1226
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:11,039
lot of those. Mistakes i'm not saying he should have,

1227
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:14,039
to but, LIKE i would be fine if guys take

1228
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,039
some more gambles and try to, force you, know turnovers

1229
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,760
in that way and not be as, disciplined BECAUSE i

1230
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,039
think they have the luxury of being able to do

1231
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,559
that with wm Bin yama, there and that would be.

1232
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:26,559
Speaker 1: Good for their offense. Too just to create as many

1233
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:29,519
easy opportunities in transition as possible off of those, turnovers

1234
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:30,679
that would find up being huge for.

1235
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: THEM i, think, yeah, no, ABSOLUTELY i, mean if you

1236
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,559
can get these guys out and, running this is still

1237
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,280
a pretty young team while golfings, considered they're a young.

1238
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 3: Team they like to.

1239
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: Run they have a lot of good, Athletes LIKE i

1240
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,599
think that's one of their greatest strengths is their, athleticism

1241
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,039
their their, length their. Versatility SO i think if there's

1242
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:51,119
anything that people are, UNDERLOOKING i guess they're overlooking rather

1243
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:53,079
as just depth and their.

1244
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: Versatility, defensively.

1245
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,519
Speaker 1: What do you view when you're looking at who are

1246
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:58,960
going to be the ten most played players on this?

1247
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:04,039
Team let's worry's that, way, Yeah, Fox, Vicelle, Castle, Barnes When,

1248
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:06,920
Benyama Harper Champagnee, Johnson sohan And.

1249
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: CORNETTE i would love to see Sneak Kelly olinik in there,

1250
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,000
somewhere but we can talk about him and and maybe

1251
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,159
some funky lineups later.

1252
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,119
Speaker 1: On they're they're just like so. Much their floor spacing

1253
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,199
is like now rooted in like that center. Spot basically

1254
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,280
you consider Like Victor remgna And Kelly olinic are in

1255
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,280
theory two of their best floor, spacers With Devin vassell

1256
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,079
and Like, champagne like it's it's all in the. Front

1257
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,199
like if you Consider, Harrison barnes And champagne playing a

1258
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:33,559
lot of minutes at the, four it's, like, yeah the

1259
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,239
most their four s basing is just coming from the

1260
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,519
four and the, five which is that's just a weird

1261
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:43,280
balance to strike it, is so are We this is

1262
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,280
to some extent matchup, Dependent but what do you think

1263
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,199
is gonna end up being their go to closing. Unit

1264
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,239
do you think it's just gonna default to the starting

1265
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,280
five or do you think that there's the potential For

1266
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,000
Mitch johnson to futz and fiddle.

1267
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 2: THERE i kind of think it is going to default

1268
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,119
to the starting five because those are the five players

1269
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,599
WHO i THINK i would trust the most in crunch,

1270
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:03,039
time Like fox The, Cell Castle, barns When binyama you've

1271
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,039
got a good blend of defensive, acumen you've got a

1272
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:09,280
good blend of floor, spacing ball, handling advantage. CREATION i think,

1273
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,320
that BUT i also agree like it probably, yeah as

1274
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,719
is the case with any, team it probably will be matchup.

1275
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,639
Dependent LIKE i think there's definitely scenarios in, Which, okay

1276
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:21,239
if we're if we're up by a good like let's

1277
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,280
say you're up by, four that's still considered a crunch

1278
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,679
time in at you, know five or more points, whatever

1279
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:28,440
you're up by a couple of baskets and you're just

1280
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,360
trying to get, Stops LIKE i would probably be Taking

1281
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,400
barnes out of the game and Throwing sohn in. There

1282
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,159
LIKE i trust So hand more defensively THAN i Do

1283
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:39,000
barns at this. Point Like barnes is a great floor,

1284
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:43,400
SPACER i think he can be serviceable defensively when he's

1285
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,920
put on probably the worst wing scorer on the team out,

1286
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,239
There but LIKE i would just trust So hand. More

1287
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,480
but like if you're behind and you need more, scoring

1288
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:54,360
maybe they throw in A Dylan harper instead of A

1289
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,280
barns and maybe they do roll with a three guard

1290
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,239
lineup something like, That but LARGELY i think it's probably

1291
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,079
gonna look like That, Fox, castle The, cell Wiinbin, yama

1292
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,599
Uh In. Barnes, LIKE i think that's probably what it's gonna.

1293
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: Be you teased it. Before what's the what's a weird

1294
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,360
o lineup you would like to See Mitch johnson try this?

1295
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,119
Speaker 2: Year, YEAH i want to See, Fox, Harper, Castle olinic

1296
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:18,719
And Wimbin, Yama, LIKE i think that would BE i

1297
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,079
think that would be a lot of. Fun LIKE i

1298
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:22,000
think you, one you've got the three guards out, There

1299
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,199
so you've Got, Fox harper And, Castle you've Got, olinik

1300
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,119
WHO i think you could slide down to the four

1301
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,000
for some more floor spacing to kind of supplement what

1302
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:32,480
you might be losing With fox And castle and Even

1303
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:33,480
harper do would agree.

1304
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: To and then you got Wim Bin yama at the five.

1305
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,039
There that's one THAT i think could be a lot of.

1306
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 2: FUN i don't know that that's one that's we're gonna

1307
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,639
see very, often but that's one THAT i think would

1308
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:43,639
be a lot of fun to see out.

1309
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: There for.

1310
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: SURE i want to see them go four, guards so

1311
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,519
You're Harper Castle, fox then we're gonna throw Over cell out,

1312
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:53,280
there AND i Think web has to be the five

1313
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,519
in that. SITUATION i, ALSO i think my eyes might

1314
00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:59,199
bleed watching their offense with. This but, like let's go

1315
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,039
the all defense route With Weben, Yama, Castle, sohan Throw

1316
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:06,920
Carter brian out, there and, OKAY i Guess champagne after, That.

1317
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:08,559
Speaker 3: Champinne, YEAH i would throw him out.

1318
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: THERE i don't know what the offense looks, like but

1319
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,480
Like champagne And Weben yama can hit, threes maybe hart uh,

1320
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,239
like but, yeah the offense would be, ugly BUT i

1321
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,719
think that defensive unit would just be. INSECUSE i think

1322
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,519
those are their five best. DEFENDERS i don't really know

1323
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:21,840
what to Rank champagnee in.

1324
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,079
Speaker 3: That YEAH i, WOULD i would put him.

1325
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: THERE i would put him in there as your as

1326
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,239
one of your five best defenders for, SURE i.

1327
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:27,599
Speaker 3: Think.

1328
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,119
Speaker 2: YEAH i, mean if we're if we're talking like defensive,

1329
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:33,000
rating they're they're holding teams to like seventy five points per,

1330
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:36,199
possession but they're also scoring like sixty two points like

1331
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:38,519
per one hundred. Possessions LIKE i don't know how that

1332
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,519
would work offensively at, all BUT i love the idea

1333
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:45,239
of like it being like a two thousand and four basketball,

1334
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:47,599
game where like the final scores like seventy seven to seventy,

1335
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:49,760
six like, that those kind of vibes that would Be

1336
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:51,559
that would certainly be an interesting.

1337
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: LINEUP i have one more for.

1338
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: YOU i don't know if it's that, weird BUT i

1339
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,280
do like the idea of Like Fox Vicell Champagnee Wimbin

1340
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,760
yama and Then cornette at the.

1341
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:01,719
Speaker 3: Five that's.

1342
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: WEIRD i, specifically and this is one THAT i had

1343
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,119
a specific team in. MIND i would love to see

1344
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,239
that against the Thunder. LIKE i think that would be

1345
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,559
one of those lineups that you could trot out there

1346
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,400
and combat the two big lineups that you get, with you,

1347
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,159
Know hardenstein In.

1348
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: HOLNGREN i think that would be a really good lineup

1349
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,360
to try against The Rockets Steven, Adams, Alpern shane Gun minutes.

1350
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,599
Speaker 2: Too, yeah, yeah. Try but those are those are my

1351
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:29,719
weird line. UP i don't know if they will, happen

1352
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:33,239
BUT i would like going through out there your first.

1353
00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:35,639
Speaker 1: ONE i think Better like THEY'RE i feel like they're

1354
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,960
obligated if you're ever gonna play three guards and at

1355
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,559
like the three guard lineup at any. POINT i think

1356
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,480
your first one is, like that's an, Obligation Miss johnson

1357
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,159
needs to try that.

1358
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:47,159
Speaker 2: One, yeah and and like like you Mentioned olennik and

1359
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:48,159
Women yama would be.

1360
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: The floor spaces. There so again the theme of the

1361
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,039
floor spacing coming from the four and the.

1362
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: FIVE i think it would be. INTERESTING i think it

1363
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,519
probably will happen at some. POINT i don't know that

1364
00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,760
it will happen a, lot BUT i would bet money

1365
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,320
on it probably happening at least once or. Twice there's

1366
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,760
just so many possibilities with this roster this season THAT

1367
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,239
i feel Like Mitch johnson as a first year head.

1368
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:09,400
Coach and AGAIN i, Said i'm not really sure what

1369
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,519
to think of him and what we know about, him

1370
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,079
BUT i feel like he has a lot of liberty

1371
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:18,280
to just try things and see what, sticks especially early.

1372
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,519
Speaker 1: ON i am team hashtag try. Shit so, YEAH i

1373
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,800
hope they do anything else about this team we haven't.

1374
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,719
DISCUSSED i haven't asked you that you think needs to

1375
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,000
be touched upon BEFORE i force you to make some.

1376
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: Predictions, NO i, HONESTLY i think we've covered pretty much

1377
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,920
all of the. BASES i think when we look at this,

1378
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:41,559
team they to, me are going to be better THAN

1379
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:43,639
i think a lot of people. EXPECT i would not

1380
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,559
be surprised again if they end up being like a

1381
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:49,079
top six seed and they just outright make the, PLAYOFFS

1382
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,000
i wouldn't be that. Shocked but we also talked about

1383
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:53,920
having like kind of a lower end outcome from, them

1384
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,960
where they have a big range of. OUTCOMES i also

1385
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,559
wouldn't be surprised if they're like near the bottom of

1386
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:00,960
the plan and like fighting for their lives to get

1387
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,599
in that last like eighth or seventh. Seed by winning

1388
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:05,519
in the play in like that also would not shock

1389
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,719
me a, ton just based on like their personnel and

1390
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,719
it possibly not gelling super.

1391
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: Well so where do you how many games do you

1392
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,039
ultimately see them? Winning and if you had to, pick

1393
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,119
where do you see them falling in The west as

1394
01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:19,519
their most you, know realistic.

1395
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 3: Spot, YEAH i think realistically like forty five to forty six.

1396
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,719
Speaker 2: GAMES i think that that's realistic for, Them AND i

1397
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:27,199
think that could probably just given how deep The Western

1398
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:29,960
conferences unfortunately probably.

1399
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:32,119
Speaker 3: Puts you like that could be, eight, nine, eight and.

1400
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:34,679
Ninth SO i think that's probably what we're looking.

1401
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: At but, Yeah i'm Like i'm excited for this, team

1402
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,360
But i'm not ready to say, like oh, yeah they're

1403
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,239
first to book, it they're definitely, top you know they're they're.

1404
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 3: Not they probably.

1405
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:46,079
Speaker 1: AREN'T i struggle with their. FLOOR i THINK i might

1406
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:48,719
think it's a little lower than you, do just because

1407
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:50,960
when you're trying to go THROUGH i look at, It,

1408
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,480
okay like who are the teams they're guaranteed to be better?

1409
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:55,599
Then and so it's Like utah And New orleans or

1410
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:57,159
JUST i Mean New orleans thinks it's gonna be, Good

1411
01:00:57,159 --> 01:00:59,119
they're going to be. Terrible it's like those two teams

1412
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,000
are going to be bad right off the. BAT i

1413
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,559
think it's a little early for The. Blazers The, SUNS

1414
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:06,840
i think are gonna be a dumpster. Fire like they'll

1415
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,639
probably win right around thirty six. Games, again so there's

1416
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:12,920
four right. There and then WHEN i get after, that,

1417
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:16,360
like WOULD i probably give them the edge over The, Kings,

1418
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:20,400
yeah BUT i. Would BUT i think it's like when

1419
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,000
you're looking to, Guarantee, okay how many teams will you

1420
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:26,079
guarantee that they'll be? Better Then i'm probably prepared to

1421
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:29,239
go to like, four and like that's and that's not

1422
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,079
to SAY i would, NOW i expect them to finish

1423
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:33,119
higher than. ELEVENTH i want to make that. Clear but

1424
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:35,000
it's just when you start to go through The. West

1425
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,519
we say this every, year AND i know this offseason

1426
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:39,639
there wasn't like a ton of fireworks aside FROM kd

1427
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,920
going To houston and Then memphis loses Desm, bane so

1428
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,400
they could be.

1429
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:43,679
Speaker 3: Worse.

1430
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: Two it's just brutal in The. West there are so

1431
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,039
we talk About florida's ceiling for The spurs, specifically BUT

1432
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,360
i think you can talk yourself into, like, yeah a

1433
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,239
team like The, warriors if they're healthy, enough they could

1434
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,800
just be the third best team in The. West or

1435
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,840
if The grizzlies get good health From John, moran they

1436
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,639
could be up. There it's just it's going to require

1437
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:04,280
a level of consistency from The spurs that we just

1438
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,800
haven't seen during The wemby. Era And i'm just curious

1439
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,599
how they juggle that with the player, development specifically Of

1440
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:12,719
Dylan harper And Steph castle above everybody.

1441
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: Else, YEAH i think that's A i think those are

1442
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:15,719
all fair.

1443
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: POINTS i, again at the end of the, day, THOUGH

1444
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,199
i do feel and maybe this is a little bit

1445
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,280
of me being like hopelessly. Optimistic but last, season and

1446
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,119
again this is last. Season early in the, season they

1447
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:31,760
were something like fourteen and eleven before Like popovich went

1448
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,000
down and a lot of the players starting getting, injured and,

1449
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:37,320
LIKE i don't, KNOW i feel like they were on

1450
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,760
a pretty good pace to at least be somewhere near five.

1451
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,719
Hundred AND i look at this roster this season and

1452
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:47,480
just hoping for some development from some guys and then

1453
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:50,400
guys to kind of either who have come in kind

1454
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,599
of meet, expectations if not exceed. THEM i feel like

1455
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:55,480
you're set up to be better than last season when

1456
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:58,440
you were healthy and like. That The spurs were not

1457
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,039
good last, season but they also were not healthy for

1458
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:04,400
most of the, year and that's a big question. Mark

1459
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,559
Two like Can wimby stay, Healthy candy Arn fox stay,

1460
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:09,360
healthy will So hands stay?

1461
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,639
Speaker 3: Healthy will thesell stay?

1462
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:13,079
Speaker 2: Healthy like all four of those, GUYS i wouldn't necessarily

1463
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,760
say they're injury, prone but they definitely haven't, played you,

1464
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,199
know full seasons For San antonio in a, While so,

1465
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,599
YEAH i mean it's fair to question. It BUT i

1466
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:25,440
think if they're, healthy and that's a big, IF i

1467
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,960
think they could be a lot better than most people.

1468
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,119
Speaker 1: ANTICIPATE i think the biggest argument in their favor is

1469
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:32,679
the most reductive, one which is they were a plus

1470
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:34,719
like two point three points per one hundred When wemby

1471
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,119
played last, year and this team objectively just has now

1472
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:41,800
better talent because you Have fox And harper and Then

1473
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,480
Steph castle's a year more into his, career and like the,

1474
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:47,880
center the backup center, stuff like you feel better about

1475
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,880
it having A Luke cornette there than you would have

1476
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,719
at any point last year. Too it's like that's just,

1477
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,079
yeah it's, reductive but it's, well look at what they

1478
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:55,639
did with one beyond the court last. Year if he's,

1479
01:03:55,679 --> 01:04:00,360
healthy like now they're. Better is there a team looking

1480
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,800
at it through a playoff lens that you find is

1481
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:07,920
a particularly intriguing or even concerning matchup For San antonio.

1482
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: Concerning only The, thunder BECAUSE i think The thunder scare

1483
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,360
the shit out of, Me, like If i'm, ANYBODY i

1484
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,199
think The thunder scare the shit out of. Me they're so,

1485
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,159
deep they're still super, young they're still super, talented like

1486
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:24,320
probably their second and third best players have not reached

1487
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,599
their peak and will continue to get.

1488
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,679
Speaker 3: Better so that would scare, Me like if The spurs somehow.

1489
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,199
Speaker 2: Made the plan and they end up being the eighth

1490
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,880
seed and they have to face The thunder in the first, Round, okay,

1491
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,639
well like all, Right i'll be ready for a four

1492
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:39,960
game series, Probably but as far as like a matchup

1493
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,239
THAT i think would play in their, FAVOR i actually

1494
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:44,239
would really love to see them play The nuggets BECAUSE

1495
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:45,960
i think they match up really well with The. Nuggets

1496
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:50,239
The spurs over the last two, SEASONS i think they've

1497
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:53,079
played The nuggets five times and they're four and one

1498
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,559
against The. Nuggets When Ben yama has Played Nikola jokic,

1499
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,679
Phenomenally Nikola jokic has been pretty inefficient against Wimbn yama

1500
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:04,079
because even though he can kind of bully him out

1501
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,840
of the way with his, body those insanely long gumby,

1502
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,320
arms just like swallow up those hook shots and those

1503
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,960
little baby hooks and turnarounds like he has done a

1504
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,880
really good job. There and THEN i think The spurs

1505
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,960
also have the depth to kind of give The nuggets

1506
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,599
fits a little. Bit SO i really liked that. Matchup

1507
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:24,280
and last season The spurs were two and three against The,

1508
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,000
nuggets and the one game they lost they lost in,

1509
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,719
overtime and this is a team that was every time

1510
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,880
they played, them they weren't, healthy like The spurs were

1511
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,880
not healthy when Ben yama was not available in that

1512
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:37,639
overtime game.

1513
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: Either SO i like their chances against The.

1514
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,639
Speaker 2: Nuggets i'm not saying they would upset The nuggets or

1515
01:05:42,639 --> 01:05:44,800
beat The, nuggets BUT i don't think it would be

1516
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,599
a four game series or a gentleman. SWEEP i think

1517
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,960
you're looking at something that goes six or seven games

1518
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:50,719
if everybody's.

1519
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,239
Speaker 1: HEALTHY i WON'T i probably would have picked The, nuggets

1520
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:56,239
but for variety's, Sake i'm curious how they would match

1521
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,360
up in a playoff series against The timberwolves because it

1522
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,239
feels like, Dah, yeah The timberwolves are huge at every

1523
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,480
position at separate point, guard But wemby is the exact

1524
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,760
type of big that can Play Rudy gobert off the.

1525
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,880
Floor BECAUSE i talk About Rudy gobert's the, defense he

1526
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,480
has not the best matchup for, him But Rudy gobert's

1527
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:16,480
offense against what might be The spurs', defense that could

1528
01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:18,920
become a problem For. Minnesota and, Then, okay what's this?

1529
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:20,880
Like are they just going to default to Nas reed

1530
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,440
And Julius randalls like their FRONT i just that would

1531
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,480
be an interesting chess matchup if we got a best

1532
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:26,840
of seven series between those two.

1533
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: TEAMS i like that one. TOO i like that one a.

1534
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,559
LOT i will definitely stick with My nuggets. One but,

1535
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:36,000
YEAH i like that one. Too but, overall, YEAH i

1536
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:39,039
think IF i had, to IF i had to bet

1537
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:42,519
on them winning a series next, season maybe.

1538
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 3: Not BUT i think there's always a.

1539
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:47,599
Speaker 2: Chance LIKE i wouldn't say that they that they would

1540
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:49,880
automatically be a first round. OUT i think that they

1541
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,880
have enough talent around them that they could surprise.

1542
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: Somebody they definitely could surprise.

1543
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: Someone So, noah, finally COULD i get one Other spurs

1544
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,119
prediction from you for this coming? Season it could be

1545
01:07:01,159 --> 01:07:02,119
whatever you want it to.

1546
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:05,079
Speaker 2: Be, yeah, WELL i look at the roster and there

1547
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:08,039
just seem to be like a lot of expendable contracts

1548
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,760
and maybe they're saving up for a big free agency.

1549
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,199
Move San antonio has never been a free agency, destination.

1550
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: Perhaps agency destination, anymore because free agency doesn't even doesn't.

1551
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,719
Happen it feels like, yeah.

1552
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah LIKE i and AND i kind of feel like

1553
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,039
maybe this is and this is this can be my bold.

1554
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:27,760
PREDICTION i don't even know that this is going to,

1555
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,679
happen but, uh With Jake fisher kind of reporting that

1556
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:35,199
they were inquiring About Trey murphy the, third, LIKE i

1557
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,880
feel like they have the ammo to go get a.

1558
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: Player who is that?

1559
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,719
Speaker 2: PLAYER i don't, know but if someone is up on

1560
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,760
the market and someone who they think can legitimately push

1561
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:51,000
their their playoff hopes and their playoff may even title aspirations.

1562
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,800
WHATEVER a little bit, FURTHER i would not be surprised

1563
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,000
if The spurs just kind of like unloaded the chamber

1564
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:58,440
and or like, here here are some assets because they

1565
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,719
can't hold onto all their picks. Forever and, look this

1566
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,519
is kind of treading old old, territory old ground with The.

1567
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:08,800
Spurs but like so many players with The spurs have

1568
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,599
come through here and they're.

1569
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,159
Speaker 3: Like, oh they might get.

1570
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: Traded they might get, traded like they don't have a

1571
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,519
future In San, antonio and then it's like, nope they

1572
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:19,840
just waste away until they're no longer useful and now

1573
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,359
they have no trade value and all, right see you.

1574
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,239
Later SO i think The spurs would be wise to

1575
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,079
capitalize on trade values of. Guys and again there's a

1576
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:31,399
lot of overlaps skill, wise positional, Wise LIKE i think

1577
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,239
it would make sense for them to go trade for.

1578
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,479
Someone and THAT'S i, mean every every fan feels that.

1579
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,760
Way every you, know it's like they gotta go trade

1580
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,479
for a. Superstar BUT i think The spurs are particularly

1581
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,920
suited to go make a trade if something like that

1582
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,199
was to fall in their.

1583
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,239
Speaker 1: Laps i'd agree with. You and look at the same

1584
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,720
thing you're saying about players apply applies to. Picks like

1585
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,239
Those Atlanta hawks selections eighteen months ago or twelve months

1586
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,199
ago looked like crown. Jewels now it's what they did this.

1587
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:58,880
Offseason they don't look as, hot is there? Us so

1588
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,960
if you're looking from The, SPUR i Think Trey murphy

1589
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,880
would be a great. Fit but is there an archetypal

1590
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,199
player or even a position, That, okay you have your

1591
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:08,960
one in your five lockdown In fox And, Wenby, like

1592
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,079
where are you if you want them or not want?

1593
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:13,960
Them if they're making a big, trade what type of

1594
01:09:14,079 --> 01:09:15,439
player is the priority to.

1595
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,119
Speaker 2: Acquire, yeah that's a tough. One that is a tough.

1596
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:22,960
QUESTION i, REALLY i, MEAN i really Like Trey. MURPHY

1597
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:25,439
i think he's kind of the archetype that you should

1598
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:25,920
be looking.

1599
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 3: For a guy who's a bigger, wing not.

1600
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,319
Speaker 2: Necessarily the best self, creator but like can take advantage of.

1601
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:36,079
Mismatches is an elite spot up, shooter is an elite

1602
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:40,960
movement shooter plus, defender and a guy who is not

1603
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:43,600
just a, shooter LIKE i think we think of him

1604
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,880
mostly as a, shooter but he's a great athlete.

1605
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,119
Speaker 3: Too like he's he, can he's, Pop, yeah he, can

1606
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,720
he can get off the. Floor good cutter as.

1607
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: Well like a guy who doesn't necessarily need the ball

1608
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,439
in his. Hands like one of the guys WHO i

1609
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,159
really liked for The spurs before the you know the

1610
01:09:58,199 --> 01:09:59,960
trade happened with The, nuggets Was Can't?

1611
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:01,159
Speaker 3: JOHNSON i really Like Cam.

1612
01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:04,239
Speaker 2: JOHNSON i think a guy like, that like A Michael porter,

1613
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:07,359
junior even like those kind of guys like those are

1614
01:10:07,399 --> 01:10:09,039
the kind of guys THAT i would be looking, For

1615
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:10,840
not someone who needs the ball in their, hands not

1616
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,479
someone who you're asking to go get a, shot because

1617
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,680
The spurs have quite a few of those guys right

1618
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,239
now at at that guard position at.

1619
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: Least i'm looking for a bigger wing like.

1620
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,039
Speaker 1: That what IF i have to ask, him what if

1621
01:10:24,079 --> 01:10:27,079
one Of yannis Or Anthony davis becomes, available these players

1622
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:28,279
that intrigue you as A spurs.

1623
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:31,239
Speaker 3: Fan, YEAH i Mean yannis would definitely intrigue.

1624
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:35,399
Speaker 2: Me Anthony davis not as, much just given the injury,

1625
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,399
history given the. Age AND i Know jannis is no

1626
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longer like super young, anymore LIKE i think he's thirty,

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Now But jannis is still you, know for the most,

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01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,079
part you can count on him to be healthy pretty

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01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:50,399
much all. Season he doesn't miss a ton of. Games

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01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,640
and even though it might be you'd have to figure

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01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,920
out how to make it work with spacing, wise for,

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,199
SURE i don't know that you could pass up on

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,199
a generational talent who is still very much in the

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01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:02,000
in the center of his.

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01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 3: Prime SO i MEAN i would be very much interested In.

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Speaker 1: YANNIS i figured you would. BE i was just curious

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,439
because we harped on the. Spacing BUT i think that's

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the one of the values Of wemby where you might

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,760
get if some people want him to take few or.

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,199
Threes the fact that he can play offense the way

1641
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:17,880
that he has so, far you can slot literally anybody

1642
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,119
next to him in the front, court and that's just hugely.

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01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:25,159
Speaker 2: Valuable, also could you imagine like A Wemby yannis pick

1644
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,359
and roll or A Yannis wimby pick and roll like

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01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:31,000
that would be, Insane like that would be like just bat.

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Speaker 3: Shit that would be, crazy and that'd be Something i'd

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01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:33,520
be there.

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Speaker 1: For, YEAH i, mean aside From bucks fans who. Wouldn't, Right,

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01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,560
noah this was. Great as, always thank you for giving

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,199
me so much of your. Time are you able just

1651
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:46,079
to tell our audience where they can find you and

1652
01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:49,159
all the fantastic work that you have planned for the upcoming.

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01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: Season, Yeah so we've been on a little bit of a,

1654
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,279
hiatus but you can find me over at the vic

1655
01:11:54,319 --> 01:11:57,279
And role on, substack the vic And roll on, TikTok

1656
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:01,479
the vic And roll over on YouTube as. Well so

1657
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,479
like anywhere you want to find my, work it'll be

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01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,600
there under The Vican.

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,079
Speaker 3: Roll we're doing, videos we're doing, podcasts we're doing.

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01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 2: Articles but, yeah super excited for this first, season super

1661
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,079
excited for the basketball season to be back for THE

1662
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:16,640
nba in, general and as, always thank you so much

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01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,000
for having.

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,520
Speaker 3: ME i always enjoy talking hoops with.

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01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 2: You, LOOK i always look forward to this every year

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01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:22,239
at this time of the.

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01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: Year, well thank you so. Much the links to all

1668
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,520
Of noa's. Stuff where you can find him will be

1669
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,720
in the podcast and YouTube. Descriptions once, again thank. You

1670
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,960
this was. Fantastic as, always always have a blast picking your.

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01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,359
Brain until next, time we leave everybody with the shout

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01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:37,920
out to the, one The, only Mister Frank Hila keina