Speaker 1: Oh, if we get to it, So we'll see if
we have time today or not. But there was an
interesting story in the news. If you haven't seen this,
he should take a moment and google it, because when
it initially happened, we talked about it on the show.
You remember when Jane's Addiction on their reunion tour they
were playing that they they're playing in Boston, I forget what.
Speaker 2: Yea what venue?
Speaker 1: And a fight A fight broke out not in the crowd,
but on stage between Perry Ferrell and Dave Navarro or
Perry was really the one fighting. Navarro was just kind
of trying to defend himself and back up. And now
there is a lawsuit members of Jane's Addiction suing Perry
Ferrell over that, And maybe we'll talk about that later
in the show, if we get to it. But it's
just an interesting, interesting story. People who don't understand this,
or who just don't know who might be outside the
business that And I know a lot of industry people
listen to the show, but people outside the business, I
might not realize this once something like that happens. I mean,
millions of dollars are at stake, right, so much money
is lost if you're so safe for example, and not
to take sides necessarily, but if you're Dave Navarro or
one of the other members of Jane's Addiction, and you're
on this tour or you're involved in the tour in
any way on a business level, and all of a
sudden the tour is canceled for whatever reason, that's a
lot of money that is lost, not only an income,
but it really screws things up for everybody involved, promoters
and management and anybody who has any kind of fiduciary
commitment involved here or connection with what's happening.
Speaker 2: It screws over a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So so now there's a lawsuit against Perry Ferrell because
he's the one who wrecked everything. And again I know
there's he and his wife have explanations and rationalizations for
why he was being behaving the way that he was
and and what what caused his anger and him to
lose his temper on stage. But but you know, a
lot of money gets lost. I remember right after that happened,
right after the fight happened.
Speaker 2: I can't remember his.
Speaker 1: Name now, but there's a guy he's based in Boston.
I think who I don't remember the name of his
podcast either. It's funny too, because at the time I
kind of made a mental note of it. I was like, geez,
I gotta I gotta pay more attention to this guy
because he does really good content. Now I can't even
remember his name, but uh, he was there working as
he was on that tour, I think working as a
sound tech.
Speaker 2: And I don't think he was a sound guy.
Speaker 1: I think he was he was either the guitar tech
or the bass tech, and so he saw the whole
thing happen. He witnessed the whole thing, so he kind
of told his version of events from up close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was I mean, I don't know
if you want to get too far into it, but.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, because we don't have time, but we'll
we'll come back to it. But so we did reference
this at the top of the show and just kind
of touched on it a little bit. But to explore
this further for a couple of minutes. This is from
the ap Jane's Addiction bandmates sue each other over on
stage fight that ended tour, and that's something that I
missed when we were.
Speaker 2: Talking about it earlier.
Speaker 1: I was talking about how the other members suing Perry
Ferrell because of what happened, but Farrell apparently is countersuing
and what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Here's what the AP is saying. The members of alt
rock band Jane's Addiction filed dueling lawsuits Wednesday. So this
just happened a few days ago over singing singer Perry
Ferrell's on stage scuffle with guitarist Dave Navarro at a
Boston concert last year, prompting the cancelation of the rest
of their reunion tour and planned album. I didn't even
know they were planning to make an album.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Navarro, drummer Stephen Perkins, and bassist Eric Avery sued Ferrell
in La Superior Court, alleging that Farrell's behavior on the
tour had ran changed from erratic to out of control,
culminating in the assault where Ferrell punched Navarro both on
stage and backstage. And of course we only got to
see the video of what happened on stage, but if
you haven't seen it, you can find it on YouTube
very easily. The suit says the three bandmates are seeking
at least ten million dollars because, as I said earlier,
when we touched on it. When something like this happens,
and a big tour, even a small tour. You know,
everybody who has any sort of fudiciary monetary involvement on
a business level. Anybody, whether it's bandmates, whether it's the crew,
whether it's management, the promoters, you know, anybody. Everybody takes
a loss when things go wrong. So their lawsuit says,
this is the three band members who are suing Perry Ferrell.
Quote with a series of swift blows, he single handedly
destroyed the name, reputation, trademark, and viability of the band
and those who built it. Unquote Farrell and his wife
Eddie E t t Y, Eddie Lu, Eddie Law, Eddie
Lao Lau, Eddie Lao Ferrel. I don't know how to
suit the three bandmates. I should just say I don't
know how to her name. I'm just going to refer
to her as E by her first initial. Ferrell and
his wife E sued the three bandmates in the same
court later Wednesday, blaming them for the conflict and the violence.
That's all their fault. Really, yeah, apparently the lawsuit. Here's
what the lawsuit says, quote Navarro, Avery and Perkins apparently
decided that Jane's Addictions decades of success should be jettisoned
in pursuit of a year's long bullying campaign against Ferrell,
involving harassing him on stage during performances, including, among other tactics,
trying to undermine him by playing their instruments at a
high volume so that he could not hear himself sing unquote.
Interesting thing about that, and that's the whole Oh no,
actually there's a little more to the article. But interesting
thing about that. So that podcast that I was talking
about earlier, where I can't remember the name of the
podcast or the guy's name, but it's one of the
crew guys who worked for Jane's Addiction, He did say
that that was something that Perry Ferrell had complained about,
and that that seemed to be what was making him
angry on stage, is that the rest of the band
was too loud. But in this era of in ear
monitors and everything, the guy who said who was saying
that that was he didn't agree with Perry Ferrell. He
said there was no reason why anything should have been
too loud for him to be able to hear himself
in his innear monitors and that's not really a problem.
Especially you know again in twenty twenty five, everybody's got
in ear monitors. You don't even need stage volume. And
this is something again people outside the industry don't know.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 1: I mean, those amps can be turned down to almost well, yeah,
whatever's coming out of the PA is what the what
the crowd is hearing and you know you're hearing whatever
is in your your monitors, your monitor mixes't.
Speaker 3: They have their own volume control?
Speaker 2: I would imagine, Oh and they're in your monitors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, you can. You know, the sound guy
can mix. You're can if it's a sophisticated system, which
I assume they have they had on this tour. Yeah,
I mean the the the sound guy, or you've got
multiple sound guys in a case like this, right, and
you might have one guy who's dedicated specifically to the
monitor mix where he can program. This is why if
you go on YouTube sometimes you can find you can
actually find the monitor mixes that people have posted from
different tours. For example, when the whole thing with Motley Crue, well,
lots of things have gone down with Motley Crue over
the years, but when when mc marr's left and uh,
they're replaced him with John five, and that there were
a lot of actors that mcmars was making accusations about, oh,
the band doesn't really play in this and that, and
how he carried them the whole time and whatever.
Speaker 3: The thing about the click track.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And then all these these in ear monitor
recordings started popping up on YouTube, so you could actually
hear what mc mars was hearing in his monitor. There
was a recording of it, and you could hear what
the mix was. Really interesting stuff if if you're someone
like me who finds that stuff, I find that stuff fascinating,
but not everyone does. I'm probably getting way too into
the weeds for some people.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why anybody would poo pooh on anybody
doing something that makes them be able to play better,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and I really I
feel like his lawsuits pretty forrivolous for.
Speaker 2: My Barry Ferrell's lawsuit, Yeah, I mean, I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, the video. Anybody watching the video is like, oh yeah,
and he literally ruined everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that video of what happened on stage is
it's you know, it's hard to watch that and think, oh, uh,
Navarro brought that on himself, you know what I mean, Like,
like Farrell's clearly the aggressor.
Speaker 3: And it is important to remember how many people are
losing money. It's not just the band absolutely, everybody.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, like I said, everybody involved gets.
Speaker 3: Her whole crew how to go home?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, all the.
Speaker 3: Griffs, everybody that sets up, everybody that tears down.
Speaker 1: And they're not rich. You know, the band is rich.
You know, they can afford to cancel a tour.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2: I mean well, Perry.
Speaker 1: Ferrell certainly is, and Dave Navarro certainly is. I don't
know about I don't know about Eric Avery and Stephen Perkins,
but but but.
Speaker 2: They probably have money.
Speaker 3: How much of their own money is that they have
to put up for any of this, like you know
what I mean, Like yeah, are they paying their own hotels?
Are they booking things outside for themselves? But they don't
know how far the rabbit hole is going to go?
Oh money gets long, so.
Speaker 1: Many people get affected. Yeah, absolutely, It says here the
Farrells and the Farrells are claiming that Navarro and Avery
actually assaulted them. Perry Ferrell said he was blinde sided
when the other members canceled the remaining fifteen shows of
the tour and broke up the band without consulting him,
costing all of them a great deal of money. That
is one thing I did wonder about when the tour
was canceled. Is there not? I mean, I'm sure efforts
were made, because again, so much money is on the line.
Was there not an effort made to do some sort
of maybe not, some sort of arbitraartion issues some period?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, maybe it was a situation where like
Navarro or the others were like, forget it, I don't
even want to do this anymore. It's not worth it. Yeah,
I mean, because really it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: It also says here Perry Ferrell says his bandmates to
fame to him by publicly saying after the fight that
he had mental health problems.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, stating the obvious.
Speaker 1: Jane's Addiction was an essential part of the LA music
scene in the late nineteen eighties, with their contribution of
elements of punk, goth and psychedelic sounds and culture. They
became a national phenomenon with hits including Jane's Says, and
been caught stealing and through their founding of the Lollapalooza tour,
whose first incarnation they headlined in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, they were part of the foundation
of that.
Speaker 1: They started Lollapalooza. I did not know that Barry Ferrell
started Lallapalooza really but not. Oh yeah, yeah he still
I think he still owns it. He might have sold it,
I'm not sure. The group broke up soon after, but
returned several times in various incarnations. The twenty twenty four
tour was the first time the original members had played
together since twenty ten. Ferrell missed all seven of the
group's rehearsals in the run up to the tour. His
bandmate's lawsuit alleges and his behavior during the early shows
range from a radicked out of control and by the way,
that part the guy who did the podcast, who was
on the crew, he said all He confirmed all of that.
The lawsuit says, quote he struggled night tonight amid public
concern for his well being and apparent intoxication, Perry forgot lyrics,
lost his place in songs he had sung since the
nineteen eighties, and mumbled rants as he drank from a
wine bottle on stage. Unquote, oh, rock and roll and
on brand, but not necessarily helped. And he's a sixty
five year old man. So it's like, let's chill on
the partying right. The lawsuit says Ferrell was given many
solutions to the volume problem, none of which he followed. Then,
on September fourth, September thirteen, at Leaderbank Pavilion in Boston,
in front of four thousand fans, videos partially captured Farrel
lunging at Navarrow. Okay, so we all know that part.
Farrell alleges that when he was being restrained by a
crew member, Avery punched him in the kidneys, and that
both Avery and Navarro assaulted him and his wife backstage.
Shortly after the fight. Ferrell, in a statement, apologized to
his bandmates, especially Navarrow, for an excusable behavior.
Speaker 2: The bandmates.
Speaker 1: Lawyer Christopher Frost pointed to that apology in response to
the feral lawsuit, along with e E's acknowledgment at the
time and Instagram posts that her husband had clearly been
the aggressor. Frost said in a statement, quote, if there
is a question about what to believe, you can believe
the video that we've all watched. The complaint from Paar,
including his account of events backstage after the September thirteenth show,
is revisionist history. It won't stand unquote. Both lawsuits allege
assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and reach
of contract, among other things. According to the other band
members lawsuit quote now, the band will never have their
revival tour to celebrate the album, the new album and
forty plus years of deep, complex start topping recordings, and
said history will remember the band is suffering a swift
and painful death at the hands of Ferrell's unprovoked anger
and complete lack of self control.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Sad ending that is.
Speaker 1: That is It is a sad ending to you know,
a legendary band. But I don't I doubt there's any
coming back from this. I mean, never say never, never
say never.
Speaker 3: But you know, like he's got drinking issues going on,
Like who wants to work with that?
Speaker 1: Like I said, he's he's a sixty five year old man.
You know, when you're twenty five years old and you're
already and too much and whatnot, people kind of give
you a pass, you know, and if you're a rock
star You might get away with it at thirty five,
but when you're sixty five, it's like chill, dude, God,
just you know you're in You're in an incredible position
today too.
Speaker 3: People aren't into the whole drinking, drug and party and
thing that made up the eighties, right, the late the seventies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the sixties, not as much, certainly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: In fact, today's kids drink less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3: That well, that's why they're increase in the amount of
non alcoholic beverages that are offered, and you see places
that have full on mocktail menus because the generations now don't.
And I don't think that's a bad thing by any
stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2: Nope, nope, I agree. I agree.