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interesting story in the news. If you haven't seen this,

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he should take a moment and google it, because when

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it initially happened, we talked about it on the show.

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were playing that they they're playing in Boston, I forget what.

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Speaker 1: And a fight A fight broke out not in the crowd,

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but on stage between Perry Ferrell and Dave Navarro or

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Perry was really the one fighting. Navarro was just kind

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of trying to defend himself and back up. And now

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there is a lawsuit members of Jane's Addiction suing Perry

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Ferrell over that, And maybe we'll talk about that later

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in the show, if we get to it. But it's

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just an interesting, interesting story. People who don't understand this,

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or who just don't know who might be outside the

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business that And I know a lot of industry people

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listen to the show, but people outside the business, I

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might not realize this once something like that happens. I mean,

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millions of dollars are at stake, right, so much money

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is lost if you're so safe for example, and not

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to take sides necessarily, but if you're Dave Navarro or

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one of the other members of Jane's Addiction, and you're

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on this tour or you're involved in the tour in

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any way on a business level, and all of a

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sudden the tour is canceled for whatever reason, that's a

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lot of money that is lost, not only an income,

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but it really screws things up for everybody involved, promoters

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Speaker 2: It screws over a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: So so now there's a lawsuit against Perry Ferrell because

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he's the one who wrecked everything. And again I know

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there's he and his wife have explanations and rationalizations for

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why he was being behaving the way that he was

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and and what what caused his anger and him to

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lose his temper on stage. But but you know, a

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lot of money gets lost. I remember right after that happened,

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podcast either. It's funny too, because at the time I

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kind of made a mental note of it. I was like, geez,

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I gotta I gotta pay more attention to this guy

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because he does really good content. Now I can't even

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remember his name, but uh, he was there working as

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thing happen. He witnessed the whole thing, so he kind

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of told his version of events from up close.

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if you want to get too far into it, but.

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we'll come back to it. But so we did reference

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this at the top of the show and just kind

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this further for a couple of minutes. This is from

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the ap Jane's Addiction bandmates sue each other over on

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stage fight that ended tour, and that's something that I

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Speaker 1: I was talking about how the other members suing Perry

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Ferrell because of what happened, but Farrell apparently is countersuing

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Speaker 1: Here's what the AP is saying. The members of alt

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rock band Jane's Addiction filed dueling lawsuits Wednesday. So this

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just happened a few days ago over singing singer Perry

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Ferrell's on stage scuffle with guitarist Dave Navarro at a

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Boston concert last year, prompting the cancelation of the rest

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of their reunion tour and planned album. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: Navarro, drummer Stephen Perkins, and bassist Eric Avery sued Ferrell

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in La Superior Court, alleging that Farrell's behavior on the

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tour had ran changed from erratic to out of control,

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culminating in the assault where Ferrell punched Navarro both on

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stage and backstage. And of course we only got to

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see the video of what happened on stage, but if

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very easily. The suit says the three bandmates are seeking

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at least ten million dollars because, as I said earlier,

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everybody who has any sort of fudiciary monetary involvement on

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whether it's management, the promoters, you know, anybody. Everybody takes

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a loss when things go wrong. So their lawsuit says,

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this is the three band members who are suing Perry Ferrell.

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Quote with a series of swift blows, he single handedly

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destroyed the name, reputation, trademark, and viability of the band

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and those who built it. Unquote Farrell and his wife

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Eddie E t t Y, Eddie Lu, Eddie Law, Eddie

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Lao Lau, Eddie Lao Ferrel. I don't know how to

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suit the three bandmates. I should just say I don't

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his wife E sued the three bandmates in the same

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court later Wednesday, blaming them for the conflict and the violence.

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what the lawsuit says, quote Navarro, Avery and Perkins apparently

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decided that Jane's Addictions decades of success should be jettisoned

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in pursuit of a year's long bullying campaign against Ferrell,

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involving harassing him on stage during performances, including, among other tactics,

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trying to undermine him by playing their instruments at a

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high volume so that he could not hear himself sing unquote.

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thing about that. So that podcast that I was talking

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podcast or the guy's name, but it's one of the

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crew guys who worked for Jane's Addiction, He did say

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was too loud. But in this era of in ear

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monitors and everything, the guy who said who was saying

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that that was he didn't agree with Perry Ferrell. He

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said there was no reason why anything should have been

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too loud for him to be able to hear himself

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in his innear monitors and that's not really a problem.

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the band doesn't really play in this and that, and

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how he carried them the whole time and whatever.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why anybody would poo pooh on anybody

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doing something that makes them be able to play better,

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you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and I really I

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Speaker 2: My Barry Ferrell's lawsuit, Yeah, I mean, I mean.

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Speaker 3: And it is important to remember how many people are

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losing money. It's not just the band absolutely, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Griffs, everybody that sets up, everybody that tears down.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not.

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Speaker 2: I mean well, Perry.

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Farrells and the Farrells are claiming that Navarro and Avery

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when the other members canceled the remaining fifteen shows of

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fame to him by publicly saying after the fight that

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Speaker 1: Jane's Addiction was an essential part of the LA music

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scene in the late nineteen eighties, with their contribution of

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elements of punk, goth and psychedelic sounds and culture. They

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group's rehearsals in the run up to the tour. His

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bandmate's lawsuit alleges and his behavior during the early shows

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concern for his well being and apparent intoxication, Perry forgot lyrics,

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lost his place in songs he had sung since the

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wine bottle on stage. Unquote, oh, rock and roll and

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on brand, but not necessarily helped. And he's a sixty

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five year old man. So it's like, let's chill on

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the partying right. The lawsuit says Ferrell was given many

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solutions to the volume problem, none of which he followed. Then,

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on September fourth, September thirteen, at Leaderbank Pavilion in Boston,

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in front of four thousand fans, videos partially captured Farrel

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lunging at Navarrow. Okay, so we all know that part.

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Farrell alleges that when he was being restrained by a

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crew member, Avery punched him in the kidneys, and that

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both Avery and Navarro assaulted him and his wife backstage.

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Shortly after the fight. Ferrell, in a statement, apologized to

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his bandmates, especially Navarrow, for an excusable behavior.

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Speaker 2: The bandmates.

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Speaker 1: Lawyer Christopher Frost pointed to that apology in response to

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the feral lawsuit, along with e E's acknowledgment at the

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time and Instagram posts that her husband had clearly been

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the aggressor. Frost said in a statement, quote, if there

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is a question about what to believe, you can believe

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the video that we've all watched. The complaint from Paar,

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including his account of events backstage after the September thirteenth show,

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is revisionist history. It won't stand unquote. Both lawsuits allege

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assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and reach

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of contract, among other things. According to the other band

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members lawsuit quote now, the band will never have their

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revival tour to celebrate the album, the new album and

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forty plus years of deep, complex start topping recordings, and

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said history will remember the band is suffering a swift

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and painful death at the hands of Ferrell's unprovoked anger

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and complete lack of self control.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. Sad ending that is.

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Speaker 1: That is It is a sad ending to you know,

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a legendary band. But I don't I doubt there's any

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coming back from this. I mean, never say never, never

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say never.

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Speaker 3: But you know, like he's got drinking issues going on,

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Like who wants to work with that?

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Speaker 1: Like I said, he's he's a sixty five year old man.

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You know, when you're twenty five years old and you're

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already and too much and whatnot, people kind of give

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you a pass, you know, and if you're a rock

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star You might get away with it at thirty five,

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but when you're sixty five, it's like chill, dude, God,

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just you know you're in You're in an incredible position

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today too.

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Speaker 3: People aren't into the whole drinking, drug and party and

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thing that made up the eighties, right, the late the seventies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the sixties, not as much, certainly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: In fact, today's kids drink less.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true.

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Speaker 3: That well, that's why they're increase in the amount of

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non alcoholic beverages that are offered, and you see places

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that have full on mocktail menus because the generations now don't.

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And I don't think that's a bad thing by any

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stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 2: Nope, nope, I agree. I agree.