Speaker 1: This night side with Dan Ray on WBZ Constance new video.
Speaker 2: Just following up on the story that we're dealing with.
Speaker 2: We intended to do a very different show tonight, but
Speaker 2: unfortunately the events in New Orleans have kind of overtaken us,
Speaker 2: and we are talking about the terror attack that took
Speaker 2: place at about three point fifteen local time in New
Speaker 2: Orleans this morning while most of us were asleep. I'm
Speaker 2: sure by this point all of you have begun to
Speaker 2: get onto the story. But now I'm looking at some
Speaker 2: of the New York papers, specifically the New York Post.
Speaker 2: First of all, they show the house where this guy
Speaker 2: lived in Houston, and apparently he was living in a
Speaker 2: trailer park. He was in big trouble financially. He had
Speaker 2: started some sort of a real estate company in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, which had gone belly up, been through a
Speaker 2: couple of divorces. According to the Post, individual who we
Speaker 2: have now it's we have come to know him by
Speaker 2: the name samshud Din Jabbar Us that hasen served in
Speaker 2: the US military. A lot of pictures of him in
Speaker 2: US Military of Army uniforms. He he apparently lived in
Speaker 2: a squalid area of Houston in an area where I
Speaker 2: guess next to his home or sheep and goats. It
Speaker 2: did look very upscale, So this guy was obviously down
Speaker 2: and out. He made some videos, according to the New
Speaker 2: York Post, confessing to a plan. He did have an
Speaker 2: ISIS flag off the back of the truck as it
Speaker 2: plowed down Bourbon Street. Clearly he had been radicalized.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The FBI now, according to the Post, is ruling out
Speaker 2: the involvement of three men in one woman who allegedly
Speaker 2: have been seen perhaps depositing some form of IEDs planting
Speaker 2: IEDs around New Orleans near the terror attack. As I
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, that could be obviously a set of circumstances
Speaker 2: where somebody, again at three point thirty of the morning,
Speaker 2: is a little overtaken by the revelie of the evening
Speaker 2: and they decide to leave a package or something, and
Speaker 2: obviously you always assume the worst. But the FBI now
Speaker 2: is ruling out the involvement of them, although they are
Speaker 2: still saying that maybe others involved. So there is a
Speaker 2: lot to cover. If you'd like to join the conversation.
Speaker 2: We had a really interesting caller last hour with John
Speaker 2: from Acton, who talked about this rental car site, which
Speaker 2: I was unaware of. I'm sure some of you are
Speaker 2: unaware of it. I'm sure many of you are aware
Speaker 2: of it. It's called Toro. And apparently this truck that
Speaker 2: was used as the murder weapon, and apparently, by the way,
Speaker 2: this ISIS flag was flying off the back of his truck.
Speaker 2: And the first video that I saw, the first photograph,
Speaker 2: it was covered by a jacket. So I'm assuming that
Speaker 2: some well meaning civilians saw the ISIS flag after the
Speaker 2: shootout and he was dead in the ground, they probably
Speaker 2: covered up that flag. But yeah, he had the audacity
Speaker 2: to fly the ISIS flag. And then the question is
Speaker 2: how many others are in our midst This is an
Speaker 2: American citizen, he says, an American as you and I.
Speaker 2: Shamshood Din Jabbar served a dozen years in the US military,
Speaker 2: deployed to Afghanistan. Let's get back to the calls. We'll
Speaker 2: continue for this for a little while. We had planned
Speaker 2: a very different program tonight, and for those of you
Speaker 2: who are expecting to talk about New Year's resolutions, we
Speaker 2: may get to that. We may get to thoughts about
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter, the oldest living president, who passed earlier this
Speaker 2: week at the age of one hundred. And also this
Speaker 2: horrific malaise that I've been fighting speaking Jimmy Carter, upper
Speaker 2: respiratory illness, bronchitis. Let's get back to Patrick in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. Patrick, thanks for holding through the news. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead, all right.
Speaker 4: So here's here's something else that's also interesting because we
Speaker 4: have we can think here on your radio program. That's
Speaker 4: one of the great things about myself.
Speaker 2: It is allowed, Patrick, it is allowed to actually encourage
Speaker 2: Go right ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One hundred and eighty miles down south of Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: The FBI on December seventeenth raided a house where they
Speaker 4: had one hundred and fifty bombs and all sorts of ammunitions.
Speaker 4: The FBI is saying this is the largest weapons catch
Speaker 4: in their history that they have won.
Speaker 2: Now, that is a story that I did not see.
Speaker 2: Did it get much national publicity?
Speaker 5: Pat BBC.
Speaker 4: December seventeenth, It was the store, was the arrest, and
Speaker 4: it's a day old.
Speaker 2: It's a day old, right, No, I didn't see this. Look,
Speaker 2: I did not watch every newscast during my time off.
Speaker 2: But did this if it is the largest cash of
Speaker 2: weapons ever discovered by the FBI. Did it get not
Speaker 2: get a little publicity or national publicity? National? I never
Speaker 2: saw that story.
Speaker 4: Here's here's the quote, preliminary assessed as the largest seizure
Speaker 4: by a number of finished explosive devices in FBI history.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got that, But my question is maybe you
Speaker 2: kind of answer it. I don't remember recall seeing that.
Speaker 2: I watched news periodically. I didn't watch it as I
Speaker 2: watch it when I'm working. To be honest with.
Speaker 4: You, Okay, well, there's something that you know, it's big
Speaker 4: and not everybody carries everything with the BBC, you know
Speaker 4: runs so.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying it was on the BBC, right,
Speaker 2: it was on the British broad BBC, But I didn't
Speaker 2: I got to be honest with you. Maybe some others
Speaker 2: have seen that. Did they have any sort of idea
Speaker 2: as to who these people were who were collecting such
Speaker 2: such an arsenal.
Speaker 4: A man and his wife who lived there with his
Speaker 4: two children.
Speaker 2: And here you go, right, a man and his wife
Speaker 2: who just liked to collect weaponry, but did not were
Speaker 2: they associated with any given any.
Speaker 4: He has he has a hashtag that no lives, madam.
Speaker 4: Is that that's any indication? But anyway, we're going a
Speaker 4: little bit too off the we're getting a little well, anyway,
Speaker 4: this was well you brought it.
Speaker 2: You brought it up, which is okay, and I find
Speaker 2: it intriguing brought it up. So but but but that's okay.
Speaker 4: This is my neighbor where you say you see something,
Speaker 4: say something. Well, this is where a neighbor said you
Speaker 4: saw something, and he said something, and so in the
Speaker 4: FBI goes in, it says, oh what are you doing?
Speaker 4: And yeah, they had some really dangerous chemicals there that
Speaker 4: could explode very easy. They had a bunch of fifty
Speaker 4: caliber firearms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at it right here. I'm looking at
Speaker 2: a report out of a local television station, Local twelve,
Speaker 2: which is w k RC, which I believe is in
Speaker 2: Newport News, Virginia. So the guy's name is Brad. Spafford
Speaker 2: was arrested on December seventeenth after the police found him
Speaker 2: with an unregistered weapon. Authorities that obtained a search one
Speaker 2: for his property. They found a stockpilot more than one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty homemade improvised explosive devices IEDs, assessed as
Speaker 2: pipe bombs. Some of these devices were marked lethal. Some
Speaker 2: of the devices were found in a detached garage, where
Speaker 2: the FBI also found tools in manufacturing materials, including homelind
Speaker 2: fuses and pieces of PVC pipe. Several additional apparent UH
Speaker 2: pipe bombs were found in a backpack in the home's bedroom.
Speaker 2: NBC reported the backpack had No Lives Matter written on it, which,
Speaker 2: according to the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security, is
Speaker 2: an extremist group who promotes mass killings and other crimes.
Speaker 2: NBC They're they're quoting NBC here. Uh So, a local
Speaker 2: judge released this guy with electronic monitoring, but he'll remain
Speaker 2: in custody until a hearing with a federal judge takes place. Interesting,
Speaker 2: interesting story, Patrick, that you brought to our attention, which
Speaker 2: was certainly cause cause for concern.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joy, because they're just like just what our friend
Speaker 4: brought up about this this ride, this car share thing
Speaker 4: that is really a scary liability for all of us.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of to ro No, No.
Speaker 4: I have not, but I can imagine that there is
Speaker 4: such a thing, and that's very dangerous. And the insurance
Speaker 4: regulators and the state legislators have to put this down
Speaker 4: because you know, we can stop that if we hold
Speaker 4: one of these owners responsible for a deed that somebody
Speaker 4: uses with their vehicle.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that you can do that unless
Speaker 2: you can prove that the owner of the vehicle was
Speaker 2: told or was complicit in it. I mean, if if
Speaker 2: it's legal, I mean, if I can put an ad
Speaker 2: somewhere and say, gee, I have an extra car in
Speaker 2: my garage that I'm not using because my kid's away
Speaker 2: at college, and if you want to rent the car
Speaker 2: from me, here's my name and number. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know that that's illegal.
Speaker 4: If I use your vehicle go through a red light
Speaker 4: camera or a puto enforcement speed, you're responsible for that ticket,
Speaker 4: not me.
Speaker 2: Uh, I know, but I'm going to pay the ticket
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to try to get the money
Speaker 2: back from you. But at the same time, if you
Speaker 2: take that vehicle and you use it in a manner,
Speaker 2: it'd be very reasonable for me to assume that my
Speaker 2: friend Patrick might occasionally go through a red light or
Speaker 2: not fully stop at a stop sign. But I don't
Speaker 2: think that it's reasonable for me to assume that my
Speaker 2: men Matt Patrick, when to say you're gonna wrint my vehicle?
Speaker 2: Are you going to drive this down Bourbon Street and
Speaker 2: kill fifteen people. I mean, there's a different level of
Speaker 2: responsibility there.
Speaker 4: My friend, something to think about, something that they all right,
Speaker 4: go on to the next and we will see what
Speaker 4: happens in the next few days.
Speaker 2: It's going to be fascinating to see with this story.
Speaker 2: You know, it started off this morning they said classic
Speaker 2: law lone wolf, that was what they were saying. And
Speaker 2: then as the day went on, they said, well, may
Speaker 2: have been other people involved, and his ed Davis told
Speaker 2: us in the last hour they're still looking at other
Speaker 2: potential connections here. Boy, the more I look at this,
Speaker 2: if you look at the New York Post stories about
Speaker 2: where this guy was living in a real rim shackle
Speaker 2: uh trailer park with goats sheep. Now again I realize
Speaker 2: it's Texas, it's not Massachusetts, but that's proof.
Speaker 4: I'd be in hell, Billy Bless Bliss. I wouldn't need
Speaker 4: to go out and kill anybody. I would have all
Speaker 4: my chickens and all my ducks and everybody that.
Speaker 2: Means sheep and goats, you know, have the run of
Speaker 2: this Rundown trailer park where he kept sheeping goats in
Speaker 2: the yard shamps champsu Dingjibar Patrick has always Thank you much,
Speaker 2: my friend. You brought an interesting story to the to
Speaker 2: the conversation tonight. Thank you much.
Speaker 5: All right, thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on that for us, will yeah, okay, thanks,
Speaker 2: talk to you soon. We'll take quick break six one seven,
Speaker 2: two five four to ten thirty six seven, nine thirty.
Speaker 2: I'd like to get your reaction to what went on
Speaker 2: in New Orleans about eighteen hours ago. I mean, as always,
Speaker 2: the sad part about these stories is just to think,
Speaker 2: eighteen hours ago or less, these fifteen people were either
Speaker 2: preparing to go out and celebrate New Year's Eve in
Speaker 2: New Orleans, or or they were already out celebrating New
Speaker 2: Year's Eve in New Orleans, and little did they know
Speaker 2: that a few hours later they would be killed by
Speaker 2: a terrorist lone wolf otherwise, who decided to drive this
Speaker 2: truck that was rented through this interesting website, this interesting
Speaker 2: app Touro t u ro, which I had never heard of.
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Speaker 1: This Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window
Speaker 1: World Nightside Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2: Radio, we're talking about what happened in New Orleans. Let's
Speaker 2: go to Steven Bridgewater. Steve, You're next night Side. Welcome
Speaker 2: and happy New Year, Steve.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, happy to you. I hope you enjoyed your
Speaker 5: time off.
Speaker 2: I did. Happy to be back, nonetheless, and just sorry
Speaker 2: to start off with the year with such a down
Speaker 2: and we had sort of a different show planned. If
Speaker 2: people are not interested in talking about this, we can
Speaker 2: move back to some of the lighter topics. But go
Speaker 2: right ahead, Steve, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Yeah. I turned the news on this morning, like I
Speaker 5: always do on Fox News, and I hear this thing.
Speaker 5: I said, Oh, nice way to stop the year off.
Speaker 5: Huh yeah, yeah, unbelievable, And I just got a question
Speaker 5: about it. They said that he had some remote in
Speaker 5: the truck and they found all these bombs all over
Speaker 5: the place. They start with eyes, the same ones they
Speaker 5: did have blown up our soldiers in Iraq? What do
Speaker 5: they call them? They that with an.
Speaker 2: Ideas, I improvised, exposed the devices, I eds.
Speaker 5: Right, and they found a remote in the truck. Do
Speaker 5: you think the idea was he was going to explode them,
Speaker 5: but he got killed them to shootout first, because.
Speaker 2: I would assume, I would assume. So now again, I
Speaker 2: don't know, will never know, We'll never know. I'm sure
Speaker 2: the authorities can figure that out. What we were told
Speaker 2: earlier today was that the FBI were looking at some
Speaker 2: unknown individuals who were seen putting things in the neighborhood
Speaker 2: of where this all happened. And Davis, who we spoke
Speaker 2: with at eight o five tonight, said that you've got
Speaker 2: to be a little careful on that because sometimes, again,
Speaker 2: it's three o'clock in the morning in New Orleans on
Speaker 2: Bourbon Street and everybody's probably feeling a little happy and loose,
Speaker 2: and there could be people who were, you know, putting things,
Speaker 2: putting a beer can down on the sidewalk, and from
Speaker 2: a you know, I think, if I recall correctly, alcohol
Speaker 2: consumption is allowed on Bourbon Street, I could see people
Speaker 2: walking and then putting a container down on a sidewalk,
Speaker 2: and from some security camp, you know, one hundred feet away,
Speaker 2: might look like a pretty suspicious activity. Uh. But apparently,
Speaker 2: according to the New York Post tonight, the New York
Speaker 2: Post is reporting uh that uh that this, uh that
Speaker 2: that is no longer. They do not they're not looking
Speaker 2: at at at local people, uh, you know, in the
Speaker 2: New Orleans area. So yeah, that's what the post. FBI
Speaker 2: rules out involvement of three men one woman allegedly seen
Speaker 2: planting I e eds around New Orleans near attack. Feds
Speaker 2: have ruled out the ISIS flag flying terrorists who killed
Speaker 2: that the that the ice IS flag flying terrorists who
Speaker 2: killed at least fifteen people and injured dozens of others
Speaker 2: had help from four people spotted on surveillance footage near
Speaker 2: the deadly attack On Wednesday, Video silverivance from the French
Speaker 2: Quarter seemingly showed three men and one woman planting explosives
Speaker 2: at multiple locations, a federal alert to police departments around
Speaker 2: the country said soon after the tragic attack. Federal authorities
Speaker 2: have since ruled out their involvement in the attack, but
Speaker 2: still suggested that terror suspect shamsu Din Jabbar was not
Speaker 2: solely responsible for the carnage.
Speaker 4: Right, they'll never know.
Speaker 5: They might never know.
Speaker 2: Well, they should eventually know, because even though this guy's dead,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he left some sort of an electronic trail.
Speaker 2: I think he had a phone, even if it was
Speaker 2: a burner phone. They can probably get some information off
Speaker 2: of that. Maybe he was a loner who pulled us
Speaker 2: off by himself to some extent. If that were true,
Speaker 2: it would probably come some concerns. But if there are
Speaker 2: other people who are working with him on it, who
Speaker 2: are they? Where did they go? I mean this guy,
Speaker 2: This guy served in the army for over ten years.
Speaker 2: He came out with a rank of staff sergeant. He
Speaker 2: tried to start some sort of a real estate business,
Speaker 2: which apparently didn't work, and his life spiral downward. He's
Speaker 2: now forty two years He was forty two years old,
Speaker 2: divorced twice, in bankruptcy, living in a trailer park in
Speaker 2: a Rundown section of Houston.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he was not, you know, he was not
Speaker 5: an illegally immigrants. He was born in this country.
Speaker 2: That's what I understand. He served in the US military
Speaker 2: for ten years or ten plus years, was deployed to Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: Remember the major Major Nadal Hassan, the guy at Fort
Speaker 2: Hood who gunned down I think it was thirteen US
Speaker 2: service personnel back in two thousand and nine. He's still
Speaker 2: on federal death row. By the way, he did not
Speaker 2: get a pardon from President Biden. So I would suspect
Speaker 2: that shortly after Donald Trump becomes president, if his appeals
Speaker 2: have run out, his life can be probably measured in
Speaker 2: a matter of hours rather than weeks, or days rather
Speaker 2: than weeks.
Speaker 5: I should say, yeah, yeah, all right, Dan, Thanks.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your call. Thank you much, take a break. Six
Speaker 2: one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, triple eight nine
Speaker 2: to nine ten thirty and six one seven, nine three
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. I hope that my audience realizes I'm
Speaker 2: back tonight. Look, if you don't want to talk about
Speaker 2: this topic, which I can understand, we can move on
Speaker 2: to the to the other topics that we had promoted tonight. Uh,
Speaker 2: if you'd like to continue to talk about what happened
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, And again, what happened in New Orleans
Speaker 2: happened just eighteen hours ago. Those fifteen people were as
Speaker 2: a lie as you and I are right now eighteen
Speaker 2: hours ago. Little did they know that they only had
Speaker 2: a brief period of time in which to live. Uh,
Speaker 2: this is a horrible way to start the new year.
Speaker 2: But if you want to talk about it. Six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten
Speaker 2: thirty feel free to call in, and if not, I'm
Speaker 2: going to move on to a different topic back on
Speaker 2: night Side right after this.
Speaker 1: If you're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 6: It's just interesting that people go out to celebrate New
Speaker 6: Year's Eve and little do they know that their their
Speaker 6: time is so limited.
Speaker 2: Just horrific. Lola joins us from San Diego, Lolla, welcome, happy,
Speaker 2: Sorry starting this topic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's not. I don't even know way to
Speaker 3: begin to explain my discussed and disappointment with this country.
Speaker 3: This guy's been amassing all this stuff, and how did
Speaker 3: he get it all together? Nobody, you know, every there's
Speaker 3: a camera on every corner. They're watching what we say
Speaker 3: on Facebook, Instagram, and they can't figure this out.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great point you make. According to
Speaker 2: according to The New York Post, I love that paper.
Speaker 5: I love that paper.
Speaker 2: Made videos where he confessed to planning murder his family.
Speaker 2: He claimed he joined Isis now. I haven't seen the videos,
Speaker 2: but if the New York Post can figure them out
Speaker 2: now Again, I don't know that they figured him out
Speaker 2: ahead of time. They must have gone to his Facebook page,
Speaker 2: but is no one else seeing what people are putting up.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: They are watching. I have friends that are in the
Speaker 3: health industry and they get their their pages get shut
Speaker 3: down because they're talking about you know, natural ways to
Speaker 3: stay healthy instead of getting the jab. Okay, now A
Speaker 3: I A I. Anybody saying the word blue, they search it.
Speaker 3: Boom this guy, that guy, that guy. They could put
Speaker 3: words in the search and do it. They're just not
Speaker 3: doing it. You know what just reminded me of the
Speaker 3: marathon bombers.
Speaker 7: Well, we talked last how that happened.
Speaker 2: We talked, we talked last hour with former police Commissioner
Speaker 2: At Davis, who of course was in charge of the
Speaker 2: marathon bombing investigation. And as you may know, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know because you follow this pretty closely. FBI agents
Speaker 2: interviewed the two brothers before the bombing, before the bombing,
Speaker 2: and I gotta believe that if the FBI wanted to
Speaker 2: go after you or me, they.
Speaker 3: Could find something.
Speaker 2: You know, Harvey Silberbley has written the book Three Felonies
Speaker 2: a Day. I just I mean, did this guy never
Speaker 2: disclose to anyone what he was thinking? Now you could say, Okay,
Speaker 2: this guy's insane. Let's assume you say he's insane, he's
Speaker 2: lost his mind. But I assumed that this guy must
Speaker 2: have told other people. Yeah, you know, I feel like
Speaker 2: doing this. We had a guy up in Maine, the
Speaker 2: guy up in Maine a couple of years ago who
Speaker 2: killed I don't know what was fifteen or sixteen people
Speaker 2: at two locations of Bowling Alley and elsewhere. He had
Speaker 2: been interviewed. He was also a former military guy who
Speaker 2: loved his weapons, and he he was interviewed and and
Speaker 2: and he was allowed to keep his weapons and it
Speaker 2: costs fifteen sixteen whatever then ever people were in main.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that story.
Speaker 1: It's a huge story back here, Lola, Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But they can search anything, That's what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to tell you. On Facebook and Instagram. If you start
Speaker 3: talking like health stuff, oh your page goes down.
Speaker 2: Well put that aside for a second. If that's true,
Speaker 2: and I suspect it is, why are they not searching
Speaker 2: for ISIS and attacked?
Speaker 3: I want and what I want to know.
Speaker 2: There's got to be twenty keywords that these folks could
Speaker 2: go through. And anyone who's watching ISIS videos, Uh, I
Speaker 2: think they deserve it. They deserve at this point, a
Speaker 2: visit from from the.
Speaker 7: FBI, well they deserve someone will.
Speaker 2: Say, well, what's your Probably someone the ACOU is going
Speaker 2: to say to me, what's your probable cause you're just
Speaker 2: looking at it at ISIS videos. Have you ever looked
Speaker 2: at an ISIS video? I have no, No, I have
Speaker 2: no interest in it. Now if look, if I was
Speaker 2: a counter terrorism expert and I had to because of
Speaker 2: my job watch ISIS videos, if the FBI came knocking
Speaker 2: at the door and said, what are you doing looking
Speaker 2: at the ISIS videos? I could easily say, look, that's
Speaker 2: part of my job. I work for you know, the FBI,
Speaker 2: just like you. But if I'm some Joe schmuck who's
Speaker 2: looking at it's like someone who's looking at child pornography.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, they can yeah, and they're not doing
Speaker 3: a good job about that either.
Speaker 2: But right, but I'm saying I'm more concerned about that
Speaker 2: as opposed to somebody who's talking about holistic medicine or
Speaker 2: or you know, different type of medical meda teddy medications
Speaker 2: that might be more effective than.
Speaker 3: My point was. My point about that was if they
Speaker 3: can find people looking about that, why can't they find
Speaker 3: them about looking about any other code words, you know,
Speaker 3: like come on, come on.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would think if they they should have
Speaker 2: been looking like the kid in Wisconsin who took a
Speaker 2: shot at President elect Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Not Wisconsin, Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: This kid, the age of twenty, all of a sudden
Speaker 2: decides to buy a weapon and uh and take a
Speaker 2: shot that nearly kills a presidential candidate who now is
Speaker 2: the president elect. And that was who this kid was
Speaker 2: ahead of time.
Speaker 3: Well, that Luigi kid. There were flags all over the place,
Speaker 3: and his own mother, his own mother said to the
Speaker 3: FBI or whoever went knocking on her door, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that could have been my that could have been my son. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, could have, should have, would have. But here's
Speaker 3: the thing. At the end of the day, there's more
Speaker 3: more dead people, more dead Americans. When are we gonna
Speaker 3: wake up? We're our own worst enemy. Oh, we don't
Speaker 3: want to be filmed. We don't want this, We don't
Speaker 3: want that. As much as I disliked China and I
Speaker 3: don't want to buy any thing from there, I don't
Speaker 3: see the problems there going on over there like they're
Speaker 3: going on over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't want to live in a police
Speaker 2: state either.
Speaker 3: But I don't.
Speaker 2: But with as you said, with Ai and with all
Speaker 2: of the Internet that we have, if people are looking
Speaker 2: at kiddy porn sites, that there needs to be you
Speaker 2: need to go check these people out, okay. And if
Speaker 2: people are looking at terrorist sites, you need to check
Speaker 2: them out. I guess what if people are looking at
Speaker 2: ku Klux Klan sites. I mean, there should be a
Speaker 2: much more, in my opinion, affirmative action taken by investigative
Speaker 2: agencies to find the people, the male contents among us,
Speaker 2: who who have the potential, the Dylan Roofs of the world,
Speaker 2: who killed the the black parishioners in South Carolina, all
Speaker 2: of those people they show signs. Lola, I got a screw.
Speaker 2: Great to hear your voice.
Speaker 7: We talk, happy new midhand.
Speaker 3: We'll talk all right.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Laurie in Idaho. Laurie, welcome, How
Speaker 2: are you tonight? Welcome?
Speaker 7: Welcome back. I am yeah, I was busy in the kitchen.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Not the best way to start the new year is that.
Speaker 7: I believe my first Texas morning was something like five
Speaker 7: thirty my time. But to someone on the East coast,
Speaker 7: it's about it was just a capital WTF. And I
Speaker 7: get back from the other side of New Orleans. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, we were all on the alert here in Boston,
Speaker 2: and maybe because of the marathon bombing. We'll always be
Speaker 2: on alert, but it seemed like the city was fairly
Speaker 2: buttoned up. They had great first night celebrations in Boston.
Speaker 2: I was asleep by eleven thirty, so I missed it all.
Speaker 2: Woke up this morning and I thought, well, it was
Speaker 2: a pretty quiet evening and all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 2: hearing ten people dead in New Orleans. And of course
Speaker 2: as the day went on, I said, I got to
Speaker 2: talk about this tonight.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: Not what I you to talk about. But I think
Speaker 2: Lola raised a great question. With all of the the
Speaker 2: apparatus that we have available, how come that that this
Speaker 2: guy can stay below the radar?
Speaker 7: Well, the only well, I'm obviously our government, I'm sure
Speaker 7: has the ability to scan the dark web too, But
Speaker 7: part of it is in the dark web because there's
Speaker 7: a lot of convolution and being able to hide on it.
Speaker 7: But I can't believe that our government doesn't have the
Speaker 7: ability to also scan it. But yes, and I felt
Speaker 7: the same as she said. I felt the same thing
Speaker 7: about the man who shot the excuse me, the United
Speaker 7: Health Cookers guy in New York. You have known if
Speaker 7: he was talking to somebody, if there's something else going on,
Speaker 7: because you know, they can't help themselves. They get involved
Speaker 7: in all these weird social online group and so there
Speaker 7: has to be a way to track that. She's absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I realized that that we live
Speaker 2: in the freest society in the world, which is great,
Speaker 2: but there comes a point in time. I mean there
Speaker 2: I keep saying, there are fifteen people dead tonight in
Speaker 2: New Orleans who eight eighteen hours ago or well now
Speaker 2: maybe seventeen hours ago, uh no, yeah, whatever the number
Speaker 2: were here. Yeah, you know that at this time last night,
Speaker 2: they were enjoying the world. They're enjoying it. Well, I
Speaker 2: know they probably had tickets to the Sugar Bowl game,
Speaker 2: were they probably had a great dinner. They were out
Speaker 2: with some drinks with some friends, and in an instant, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's over.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's kind of interesting that New Orleans. What
Speaker 7: someone else who called said, you know that the I
Speaker 7: think some a little bit. I don't like the FED
Speaker 7: stepping on everybody's toes. But maybe get all these large
Speaker 7: cities on the same wavelength as far as why weren't
Speaker 7: those barriers in place for this kind of event and
Speaker 7: they just put cruisers there. But see, I just I
Speaker 7: think people think, people think kindly of human being and
Speaker 7: human behavior, and it just doesn't cur to you that
Speaker 7: some idiot is going to come do this. And unfortunately,
Speaker 7: I think that's the world we're in now.
Speaker 2: You look at work all, look at all of the
Speaker 2: events that we've that I can think of in the
Speaker 2: last few, uh in a couple of years where people
Speaker 2: were plowed down, either intentionally or by accident on sidewalks.
Speaker 2: And apparently this this truck didn't slam into the police
Speaker 2: car at that at the head of Bourbon Street. He
Speaker 2: just swung around it and uh and drove down the sidewalk.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Then apparently they had had a place on Bourbon Street.
Speaker 2: They had a place I guess what they call ballards
Speaker 2: b O L L A r d s Those either
Speaker 2: cement or steel structures. Look, we had we had an
Speaker 2: event here in Massachusetts a couple of years ago where
Speaker 2: some guy in a parking lot drove his car into
Speaker 2: a big Yeah, and and they they said, well, why
Speaker 2: weren't there. Look if you look at the Massachusetts State House,
Speaker 2: go look at a picture they have them in front
Speaker 2: of the state House. You know, well, I guess they
Speaker 2: could probably try to smash through them, but they're not coming.
Speaker 7: You know, their insurance company's not gonna pay for their car.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so. I would think so. But I
Speaker 2: just think the idea of why. The question I would
Speaker 2: like to ask people right now is do you want
Speaker 2: the government to be a little more invasive of people
Speaker 2: who are frequenting as you I've never been in the
Speaker 2: dark web. I would know how to get in the
Speaker 2: dark web. But what I'm saying is if if you
Speaker 2: if you're some weirdo who's who's on kiddy porn sites? Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think that. I think that the
Speaker 2: there's probable cause there that that if if all of
Speaker 2: a sudden they realize, Okay, this guy's on kiddy porn sites,
Speaker 2: let's let's go talk to him, let's find out what's
Speaker 2: going on. And that's that's a you know, and I
Speaker 2: know that some people say to me, well, most people
Speaker 2: who are in kidty point sites would never attack a
Speaker 2: child I don't care. I don't care, you know, but
Speaker 2: if you're okay, you know what said, if your frequency
Speaker 2: ices sights, what are you doing that for?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 7: What said? He served in Afghanisa, Afghanistan. Do you suppose
Speaker 7: that something triggered over there that he thought, oh well
Speaker 7: I can go get you know.
Speaker 2: Very possible. Yeah, and he might have. Well, it could
Speaker 2: be that maybe over there there were conversations that he
Speaker 2: overheard our US troops saying that he felt was disrespectful.
Speaker 2: Who knows, We'll never know his mind at this point.
Speaker 2: But I've got to tell you we should. We should
Speaker 2: get deep into every site that he was on. Let's
Speaker 2: figure out who else is on these sites.
Speaker 7: I have to Yeah, no privacy, no, obviously this stuff.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're gonna do anything untoward, then you're
Speaker 7: gonna be exposed. It's like, just like if you do
Speaker 7: anything untoward in public, it should be the same thing
Speaker 7: on the internet as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 8: But oh sure, Yeah, you walk down the street buck
Speaker 8: naked in in the you know, boss the street in Boston,
Speaker 8: that's going to cause that's going to cause some some
Speaker 8: uh some reaction.
Speaker 2: And I just think the same thing. I just think
Speaker 2: that we know that these people get radicalized on ISO sites.
Speaker 2: He's got an icest flag. Okay, sorry, why can't we
Speaker 2: kill those sites? I mean, is it impossible.
Speaker 7: That's a tough one. But yeah, but but at least
Speaker 7: monitor them and you know exactly then to go knock
Speaker 7: on their door someday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know if people are
Speaker 2: on some sort of ku klux claim sites. I want
Speaker 2: to know who those are those people are as well. Yeah, Laurie,
Speaker 2: we're in agreement as always. Hey, Happy New Year.
Speaker 7: Thanks, Happy New Year to you too. I'm sorry. Were
Speaker 7: you sick the whole time?
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Well not, I mean I had a I'll
Speaker 2: talk about it, if not tonight later later this week.
Speaker 2: They sent me for chest X right to make sure
Speaker 2: I didn't have pneumonia. I was sick. I was pretty
Speaker 2: sick for three or four five So I'm coming much better,
Speaker 2: much better. One not one day for sixteen hours, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you that.
Speaker 5: Wow. Night, that was.
Speaker 2: Thanks Laurie.
Speaker 7: Talk to you soon, all right, goodnight, welcome back, Happy
Speaker 7: New York.
Speaker 2: Thanks much. Okay, take very quick break, we will. I'll
Speaker 2: take a couple more calls of this. I will switch
Speaker 2: topics at ten, because I think that no one either
Speaker 2: wants to talk about this or feels that there's much
Speaker 2: they can add to the conversation. Six one seven thirty
Speaker 2: if you want to try, or six one seven nine
Speaker 2: thirty coming back right after the break here at night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Way live from the window World
Speaker 1: to night Sight Studios. I'm WBZ New Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, back to college. We all y's go to ron
Speaker 2: Is in Newton. Ron welcome back, How are you wrong? Welcome,
Speaker 2: Happy New Year?
Speaker 5: Hi again happening You're welcome back. Really glad to have
Speaker 5: you back. Job anyway, have you ever thought about the
Speaker 5: timeline that led up to nine to eleven, nineteen ninety
Speaker 5: three when ronson usef Ye come back to.
Speaker 2: Take down with the bombing there in the in the garage, yep.
Speaker 5: Okay boy, And that was the beginnings. He escaped. He
Speaker 5: later went to They caught him in in the Philippines
Speaker 5: at one point making he and some other individuals making bombs.
Speaker 5: Mohammad the person who flew Flight eleven into Tower one,
Speaker 5: he was an architect. He was he was trained in
Speaker 5: Cairo than Germany.
Speaker 2: Smart guy.
Speaker 5: And they hambered the four in the Hamburg, Germany, so
Speaker 5: for a while, and then they came over to Florida
Speaker 5: and they had extensive flight lessons. In fact, they had
Speaker 5: much more than the forty hours usually necessary for doing
Speaker 5: this alf they had one hundred ninety hours.
Speaker 2: And then but then there were there were reports back
Speaker 2: on those guys. They didn't want to learn how to
Speaker 2: take the take off or land. They just wanted to
Speaker 2: know how to playing with the up of the air
Speaker 2: And there was an FBI agent, a woman out of
Speaker 2: then Minneapolis office, who tried to get the word up
Speaker 2: the chain of command and it never got up there.
Speaker 5: Well there was yeah, that supposedly they were siloed. The
Speaker 5: CIA and FBI worked more siloed than they than they
Speaker 5: are now. I mean, hopefully they advanced I think they have.
Speaker 5: But you know, along that timeline, subsequently the bombings and
Speaker 5: Somalia outside the US and the site and then following
Speaker 5: that the uh that's right. And even before that, Ronja
Speaker 5: Yusuf was involved with a what they call the Badjinka plot,
Speaker 5: where they were going to actually the plan was to
Speaker 5: fly twelve airliners into different points of the viewers, in fact,
Speaker 5: with the hope of hitting some nucleosytes and even all
Speaker 5: the way up till August of two thousand and one.
Speaker 5: These guys were pretty active. And the second so the
Speaker 5: Terran that flew into the tower, he was Uh, he
Speaker 5: was he was trained in engineering. He understood that the
Speaker 5: stress points of the buildings. They took field trips into
Speaker 5: New York City. Uh and uh it was. I don't
Speaker 5: know if she's ever seen or heard some of the
Speaker 5: Yosama bin Laden training manual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know all of that, and so sore,
Speaker 2: where are you taking me? I I'm familiar with everything
Speaker 2: you've said.
Speaker 5: My point is, yeah, My point is that everybody's been
Speaker 5: talking about what the FBI may be watching in this country,
Speaker 5: but a lot of that can easily be orchestrated outside
Speaker 5: of the country. That's my point.
Speaker 2: No, but you know what I'm saying, But right no
Speaker 2: one can be and you and and I think we've
Speaker 2: done a pretty good job protecting the terrorist attacks. Since
Speaker 2: were the Boston bombers, they were they were, they came
Speaker 2: here and we're in the process of becoming American citizens.
Speaker 2: This guy was an American citizen. Nadal Hassan the major
Speaker 2: in the military at Fort Hood. He was an American citizen.
Speaker 2: He was in the US military. Now we have homegrown
Speaker 2: this guy apparently was born here in Texas. There was
Speaker 2: some ONUS reports earlier today about how he got here.
Speaker 2: But this guy apparently was a US citizen born in Texas.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, one of the hijackers too had been in
Speaker 5: the military and in a counter terrorism division, so he
Speaker 5: knew how to make bombs. He knew all of that.
Speaker 2: One of the hijackers, one of the nineteen hijackers.
Speaker 5: Yep, oh I was.
Speaker 2: I'm unfamiliar with that.
Speaker 5: I'll get it to tomorrow. But anyway, my my point,
Speaker 5: I guess in general is that some of this stuff,
Speaker 5: like the stuff that was going on in the Philippines
Speaker 5: for the you know they how closely do they monitor
Speaker 5: it there or can they.
Speaker 2: Well I don't know the cooperation with other countries, the
Speaker 2: Philippines that has had their own problems with you know,
Speaker 2: homegrown terrorists there. Ron So I mean, I I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to put my arms around something we can do,
Speaker 2: and that is we should be able to monitor the
Speaker 2: is of sites and if somebody's going to the ISI sites. Look,
Speaker 2: if there's some college professors doing research, that's fine, But
Speaker 2: if all of a sudden you go into some guys room,
Speaker 2: you're knocking the door, he opens the door, there's three
Speaker 2: iceis flags there. Now you got somebody you at least
Speaker 2: can begin to keep an eye on him. Hey, Ron,
Speaker 2: I am up against my break, so I got to
Speaker 2: let you go. But thanks so much for checking in. Okay,
Speaker 2: we will talk soon many times this year. Thanks thanks Ron.
Speaker 2: All Right, those in the line stay there. If you'd
Speaker 2: like to continue to talk about this, you have the
Speaker 2: number six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
Speaker 2: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Sandra and Carver
Speaker 2: will get to you for sure. Anyone else would like
Speaker 2: to talk on this subject. If not, we're going to
Speaker 2: move to a different topic. I think it's extremely important.
Speaker 2: I hope you would as well. I know it's kind
Speaker 2: of a downer on January first, but I don't think
Speaker 2: we have a choice. We've done two hours. I'm willing
Speaker 2: to talk more, or we can switch. Coming back on
Speaker 2: night side