1 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,560 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,600 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:44,960 But first I do want to encourage you if you're 5 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:50,200 enjoying the podcast software and I want to highlight one 6 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,640 of our other podcasts, the Old Time Radio snack Wagon. 7 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,200 And there. Every week we bring you a short form podcast. 8 00:00:58,359 --> 00:01:02,119 It can be across of why variety of different genres, 9 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:12,760 including music, comedy, drama, and storytelling. Now, from October twenty sixth, 10 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,079 nineteen forty nine, here is the corn Cob Killer. 11 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,439 Speaker 2: Now a big story about a reporter who found the 12 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,719 solution to a murder before the murder was committed. Hell 13 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,120 Mel presents the Big Story. 14 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:39,079 Speaker 3: Say boss, what is it? Drollar, here's that story I've 15 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:43,680 been working on. I don't think you'll like it. 16 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 4: Why not? 17 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,799 Speaker 5: Well, for one thing, I name the murderer in the lead. 18 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,280 You name the what the murderer? 19 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,719 Speaker 6: You haven't got a cook, you haven't got an apparent crime, 20 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,239 you don't even know there's been a murder, And you 21 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,239 name the murderer. 22 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 7: Not in my paper, not in my paper. 23 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:13,159 Speaker 2: The Big story here is America. It's sound and its fury, 24 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:16,439 it's joy and its sorrow, as faithfully reported by the 25 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:17,560 men and women of the great. 26 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:19,039 Speaker 4: American newspapers. 27 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: Huntington, West Virginia from the pages of the Huntington Advertiser. 28 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:30,479 The authentic story of the corn cob Killer for his 29 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:33,960 work in the case to Harold Pallor for his big story, 30 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:47,000 goes the pell Mell Award, Huntington, West Virginia. The story 31 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,039 is it actually happened? Harold Pallor's story as he lived it. 32 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 8: A mountain lion with bunions is a purring pussycat compared 33 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,759 to your city editor as he pinned your ears back 34 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,120 for handing in a certain story. You Harold Palla and 35 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:17,479 the Huntington Advertising and put one and one together to 36 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,120 make two, then two and two together to make a murderer. 37 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:26,280 Deadline is writing page one, and you have X minutes 38 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:28,680 to justify yourself and your story. 39 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:30,599 Speaker 5: And the boss keeps yelling. 40 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,159 Speaker 7: Not in my paper, Peller, not in my paper. Why 41 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:35,319 don't you read it first before I tear it up? 42 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 9: You mean sure, gimme. 43 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 6: Ivy row. River boy is dead. Body lies at the 44 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,599 bottom of the Ohio River. He is believed to have 45 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,919 been murdered by Charlie Grimes. No no, no. 46 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,319 Speaker 5: No, believed to have been by whom by me. You'll 47 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:52,919 let me prove it. 48 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,479 Speaker 9: Lets you valor. 49 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 8: I'm all ears, and into those unfriendly ears you pour 50 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:03,960 out your young. But first, before those unfriendly eyes, you spread. 51 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 5: On the dead a map of West Virginia. 52 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,319 Speaker 3: Boss, I will follow the Ohio River here down to 53 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,719 the little town of Antiquity. 54 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 5: That's where this whole thing is. 55 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,199 Speaker 8: Antiquity, No kidding, Well, the only thing that moves is 56 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,639 the Ohio River. And even that slow and easy going 57 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:37,759 you tell the boss about this down by the. 58 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 10: Gone, it so lazy slow, I saw to do it. 59 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:56,079 Speaker 11: I want to see she go. 60 00:04:57,959 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 9: She's gone, dad, not like the tick. 61 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 12: Yeah, she's the ruler man, putter have it. 62 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:04,079 Speaker 13: He's sure his folk? 63 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 12: How did how did you sure walk? 64 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:09,399 Speaker 14: Quiet? 65 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 9: Mister? 66 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 13: Uh huh? Boat for Savis? 67 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:15,319 Speaker 4: Nope, not even for. 68 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:18,959 Speaker 15: Fifty dollars nope, seventy five? 69 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 12: Well maybe hundred. 70 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 10: Yeah, would a man be a fool play out there 71 00:05:29,319 --> 00:05:29,959 for this year? 72 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 15: I'm a fool one thing though, We'll say. I don't 73 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,480 have the cash money on me. She's in the bank 74 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,079 down the river Point Pleasant. 75 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 5: I got Uncle Berry down there. 76 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:42,399 Speaker 15: All right, Then you ride me down at the ways. 77 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 4: I'll give you the money there. 78 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 12: Let me talk to my boy a minute. 79 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:47,079 Speaker 5: Mistery, you go ahead. 80 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:48,639 Speaker 4: I'll look the boat over. 81 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 12: I don't trust him. I have one hundred dollars. 82 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 5: There's a lot of money. 83 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't like his upper grass legs. No, he's 84 00:05:58,319 --> 00:05:59,920 kept fish miles maybe. 85 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,199 Speaker 5: H a dollar's dad. 86 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 12: It's so needful, all right, but it's still don't trust it. 87 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 11: Oh, don't fret about me, all. 88 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:15,319 Speaker 3: Right, mister, vote myself a boat, got yourself a pilot too. 89 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 8: You'll move your finger on the map down the Ohio 90 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,439 to point Plaster Her uncle Berry lived, and you tell 91 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:25,600 the boss his story. 92 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 9: There's my uncle Berry on top. 93 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 12: Hi, Hi, uncle Berry? 94 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 9: Who it's me Uncle Berry? 95 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 16: Why? 96 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 9: Boy? Then? How you gone? 97 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 16: And grow? 98 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 17: What you doing? 99 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 16: Downton river? 100 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 18: I saw the pilot in this man, Uncle Berry. 101 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 5: He's done both the boat gonna pay me out of 102 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:44,240 the bank. 103 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 19: We'll come on up to the house and bring your friend. 104 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:49,639 Reckon it, Ulsa, you got enough rich and bring you. 105 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:52,439 Speaker 15: Extra mighty candy. Your friend with me and the boy 106 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,040 don't want. 107 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:55,759 Speaker 19: To put you out and won't shoot yourself, stranger, I 108 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,279 have a boy. You come on into the office and telephone. 109 00:06:58,319 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 4: You ain't Julie. 110 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 19: Well she learns you you've been and gone without her 111 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,079 seeing you. Well she'll just naturally pet me to the catfish. 112 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,600 Well come on, boy, I'll. 113 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:11,519 Speaker 20: Give you a hand, eh I did. 114 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:11,839 Speaker 4: Boy? 115 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,199 Speaker 5: Who's that stranger? Just a fella happened along. 116 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: Bought the boat. 117 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 12: I don't like him. 118 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:19,439 Speaker 4: I don't want to see you taking up for the stranger. 119 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,959 Speaker 12: Avey, ivey, ivy, don't go with him. 120 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 5: I got to We need that boat money. Besides, I'm 121 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:29,000 growed up enough to catch for myself. Shucks, the way 122 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,639 you talk, you think he was fixing to kill me, 123 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,839 your son. 124 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 9: We gotta get gassed up. You got more traveling to do. 125 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,439 Speaker 4: Wherefore down the river? 126 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 9: Eat that right? 127 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 12: Ivy? 128 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 21: Huh oh sure, sure we're going on down the Uncle 129 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:45,680 Berry going on down. 130 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:54,319 Speaker 11: Now. 131 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 8: You put your finger on a town seventy miles down, 132 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:02,879 the Ohio Sportsman. But first you tell the boss about this. 133 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:10,439 Speaker 9: Vivery. 134 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,439 Speaker 12: This year is haby dad? 135 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:13,879 Speaker 3: Right? 136 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,439 Speaker 9: How did he let me talk to the boy? 137 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:17,079 Speaker 6: He ain't here? 138 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 5: He ain't you that? 139 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:19,079 Speaker 9: Yeah? 140 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 12: Yeah, I thought you stus you. 141 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 19: Oh no, sure he going on down the river very yeah. 142 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:32,039 Speaker 10: Oh, the Lord ask him to search the river up 143 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,759 and down and search it good. 144 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:48,759 Speaker 12: I want my boy. 145 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,759 Speaker 8: All that you had found out by digging in antiquity 146 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:51,320 and in point Pleasant. But there all traces of the boat, 147 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,600 its fire, and the boy had ended soon. However, the 148 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:03,039 police sent this message boat found in river off Portsmouth, 149 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:08,480 and you sent this one back old man and boy 150 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:16,799 for questioning, and got this reply, what man and boy question? 151 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 13: Mark? 152 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 5: Boat had nobody on board? 153 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 8: After you tell him that you lay just one more 154 00:09:36,159 --> 00:09:37,399 thing in the boss's desk. 155 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 5: It's a clipping from his. 156 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,919 Speaker 11: Own paper, your own paper, your own story, just. 157 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:45,759 Speaker 8: One week ago, and you refresh him on the story 158 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:58,279 of tell the story you yourself coping. That story began 159 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,519 in the powerhouse of West Virginias Prison that mounds Bell 160 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,559 and two convicts, one a trustee, are at their. 161 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:13,279 Speaker 15: Work knocker north time Jerry here in time you was 162 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,919 too words. 163 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 4: Work man knocked don't. 164 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 8: A quick flash at the generator belt and the prisoners 165 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:25,519 plunged into complete darkness and off the two prisoners. The 166 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,559 trustee lies dead and the other over the wall. 167 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 5: Brust not escape. Convict with Charlie Grimes serving life for murder. 168 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:46,360 He took a life to escape. Look at your mouth 169 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:50,200 here here, here's Antiquity, and here's Moundsville. The time lag 170 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:50,799 is perfect. 171 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,159 Speaker 3: A tall, soft spoken stranger turns up at Antiquity one 172 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,360 day after the break. Here's one hundred dollars for a 173 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:58,279 beat up boot, goes off on the boat with Ivy 174 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,600 row and Ivy disappears from sight one and one makes two. 175 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 6: The way you lay it on, Follard, it makes sense 176 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,120 if you only had a little more to go on 177 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:08,600 than to hernt I have, then why didn't you say so? 178 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:09,519 Speaker 4: What is it? 179 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,639 Speaker 3: The last person to see them together, the boy and 180 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,480 the stranger was Uncle Verey. Yeah, I confronted Uncle Verry 181 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:17,840 with a Rogues gallery picture of Charlie Grimes. He identified 182 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:19,759 Grimes as the man with his nephew Ivy. 183 00:11:19,879 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 7: Fine, but do you know the boy is dead? 184 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:25,279 Speaker 11: No? 185 00:11:25,639 --> 00:11:27,919 Speaker 9: Do you know a crime has been committed at all? 186 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:28,399 Speaker 4: Well? 187 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 5: No, Might I ask what you do know? I know 188 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,879 Grimes as a born killer. 189 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: He used to throw corn cobs in the air and 190 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:41,360 plug them and then say, I'd a soon shoot a 191 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,679 man as a corn cob. And I know the life 192 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,440 of a river kid wouldn't mean any more than a 193 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,960 corn cob to Charlie Grimes if he thought for one 194 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,120 second the kid was on to him. And I know 195 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,600 the one way to stop him from killing again is 196 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:54,840 to spread the story of the rest of the state. 197 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,879 Speaker 5: Is on the watch. And what's more, I've got a 198 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:58,399 picture of Grimes to go with the story. 199 00:11:58,399 --> 00:11:59,519 Speaker 3: Will you print the picture? 200 00:11:59,639 --> 00:11:59,799 Speaker 7: No? 201 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:04,159 Speaker 3: And when you print the story, yes, sticking my neck out, 202 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:17,559 but here goes copy. It goes to the best the 203 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,039 line of types that makes page one, And then your 204 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,519 phone begins the ring. 205 00:12:23,039 --> 00:12:25,879 Speaker 9: What are you trying to do? Terrorize the community? You 206 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:31,159 want to be horsewhipped? What are you trying to do? 207 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:33,960 Tip off that killer? We're looking for him. You show 208 00:12:34,039 --> 00:12:36,600 your hair around state policing, you'll get it chopped off. 209 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 5: But that's not all. 210 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 8: The next day, a lean, quiet man appears at your desk. 211 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 12: It's too Yes, you know who I am. 212 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:53,799 Speaker 5: No, No, sir, I don't shame. 213 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 12: Oh I'll be dead. Oh somebody will that for me? 214 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,240 What you wrote up in the paper about my boy, 215 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,320 that he was lying on the river. 216 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,799 Speaker 5: Bottom, mister, I was only trying to see. 217 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 10: I can't read, so I got to have things spelled 218 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:21,440 out for me the Bible, papers, letters and such. See 219 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:25,159 it was read out to me about my boy. I 220 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:30,480 was hiding my fearfulness behind my hope, but you killed 221 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,000 my hope. 222 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 12: Now I'm all feared. That ain't what I come to 223 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:38,080 tell you, though. 224 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 5: What is it, mister Rowan? What can I do for you? 225 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,639 Speaker 12: You've done it already, not for me doing what I've 226 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,919 come to let you know was I've been keeping all 227 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,279 this from Ivory's mall. 228 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:59,399 Speaker 10: I see, and you see, mister newspaper writer, it's Ivy's mall. 229 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:05,080 Read me the papers and search. I wanted you to 230 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:08,840 know what you've done. Maybe it was smart. I don't 231 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:14,200 know about that. All I know is it weren't good. 232 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 11: No kind. 233 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 8: He lives and doghouse is the name for where you are. 234 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,279 And the boss has no help even he does it 235 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,679 the Superway. 236 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,919 Speaker 6: Got your bagpeck fella, No, what you mean? You aren't 237 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,120 looking for another job? 238 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:38,519 Speaker 9: Oh? 239 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 5: Now, look, boss, that's going too far after. 240 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 6: Now he talks about going too far, Feller. If that 241 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,159 boy turns up alive, it's only going to be one 242 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,679 way to spell your name and mind, mud Mutt, there's 243 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,759 only one good thing. That story of combri What Resa 244 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,240 Dragon the river for a corpse, It might not even 245 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,600 be there at all. If there is a corpse, show 246 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,240 the police are dragging the river, but they turn up 247 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,759 nothing but all rubber. 248 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 8: Boots and empty bottles. The next day, however, things look 249 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:09,879 a little better. 250 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,039 Speaker 9: You got a fellow named Feller working on your paper 251 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,559 for the time being. Why, well you better send him 252 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:21,759 on down to my town Alper's ferry, that is. 253 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,879 Speaker 5: Who are you sure? 254 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,559 Speaker 6: Hold it a minute, Feller? Pick up your phone and 255 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:30,799 listen to this. Go ahead, Well you're the man rude. 256 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:33,039 Speaker 9: Up, How Ivy Roll was killed by Charlie Rimes? 257 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:35,639 Speaker 5: I am why you better get on down here? Why? 258 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,159 Speaker 9: Just cause he just checked in the hotel here? 259 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,039 Speaker 5: Who rhymes ivy Roll? 260 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 18: This is Cy Harris returning it to your narrator and 261 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,840 the big story of Harold Pallor as he lived it 262 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:11,480 and rot it you. 263 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 8: Harold Fallow, have the Huntington advertising, have the paper and 264 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,519 yourself out on a nice juicy limb. Well the story 265 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:24,720 that Ivy Row, ribber boy has been murdered by Charlie Grimes, 266 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:28,960 mountain man and escaped convict. The only thing wrong with 267 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,399 the story is that you have nothing to go on 268 00:16:31,559 --> 00:16:35,519 but a hunch and a faith. But now a phone 269 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:38,159 call has just saw that limb right off behind you. 270 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 9: Oh, you better get on down here. You just checking 271 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:40,879 the hotel? 272 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:41,159 Speaker 11: Who? 273 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 5: How do you know? 274 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 9: Did you join the rich? 275 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 11: And I can read you hang up? 276 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 8: The look on the boss of face says sense it? 277 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:54,559 You reach for your hat and where do you think 278 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:55,159 you're going? 279 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 5: Down there? 280 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 9: At least the kid's story of the story go ahead. 281 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:00,559 They're at it. 282 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 7: Say if you can get me a new job too, sure, well, 283 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,079 I'm DAVIDY. 284 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 4: Can help you. 285 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking. Where's the shirt? 286 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 4: Yes? 287 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,839 Speaker 5: To tired to be out to the hospital? 288 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:22,559 Speaker 4: Two three weeks? Maybe what happened? 289 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,039 Speaker 7: Guy held post office shot to Sarah. 290 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 11: Oh was. 291 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:31,519 Speaker 5: Was the fellow named Ivy Row? 292 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 15: How do you know? 293 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 8: You're count up to ten? And then the ten again? Well, 294 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,440 the deputy shows you here. 295 00:17:43,519 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 13: This here is a signature in the register. 296 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 15: This he dropped out in his pocket in the FUS. 297 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:53,839 Speaker 3: Newspaper, clipping her my story. Well, at least I've got 298 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:54,599 one admirer. 299 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,839 Speaker 8: While you're waiting for them to get your office on 300 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,240 the phone, you wonder and Charlie persuaded the kid to 301 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:10,799 take up crime to blackmail them into it. 302 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 5: Maybe I had. 303 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,599 Speaker 3: Charlie bus I have news for you. 304 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 5: Look at, I've got. 305 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 9: News for you. Let me bosses. 306 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 5: They found Ivy Rule where where right where. 307 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 9: You sit at the bottom of the river with a 308 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:26,519 bullet in. 309 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:38,759 Speaker 8: His back, So you are right now it's easy to 310 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:42,720 figure crimes use the kid's name. But from now on 311 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:44,279 you're going to make it harder for him to work 312 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:46,680 in the open and hammer at him in the paper 313 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:47,640 day after day. 314 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 5: It'll somebody spot. 315 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:57,759 Speaker 8: Him, sure, big talk. Every paper in the state carries 316 00:18:57,799 --> 00:19:01,599 his picture, every post office, every cross General's store, from 317 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:04,799 Frish Creek at Drive Fork, from Harper's Ferry to Canover. 318 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,599 Speaker 5: And what happened? He drops out of sight. 319 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,839 Speaker 11: One month, two months. 320 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 8: Now hide a hair of Charlie Grimes. Then you get mad, 321 00:19:17,599 --> 00:19:20,440 You hit the road, and while you're in Charleston lecturing 322 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,319 on law enforcements, somebody holds up a store in Fort 323 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,000 k on the Big Sandy and the word comes back 324 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:32,839 it was Charlie Grimes. You backtracks, digging into his past, 325 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,839 trying to find out where he might hide out. 326 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,559 Speaker 3: But before you can get a lead, somebody hijacked a 327 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:40,279 cruiser where a Sandy meets tug Fork and the word 328 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:44,039 comes back. Well, I know that face, as Charlie rives, 329 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:51,960 it was you, big Sandy, tug Fork boss. He's heading 330 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,960 south along the streams out of the state, sure, and 331 00:19:54,039 --> 00:19:57,079 always sticking around people. He can melt into river Mountain, 332 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,240 a gas station in Marion, in the Middle Park in Virginia, 333 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:11,039 in Mount Holly, I'm on Cataba and North Carolina. 334 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 4: I'll just trouble you for that. 335 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 15: Mayottach Man is here, the real gun too. 336 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: Following the rivers in the Mountain Valley's boss woner or 337 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:23,480 later here. 338 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 20: Hello, it's Don marsh New very South Carolina. I've been 339 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,720 carrying around one of your stories about this Charlie grunt 340 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,759 and if the fellow just got off the tree down here, 341 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:40,079 ain't here, my Marshall, Why don't you come on down 342 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,519 here and we will take him together. 343 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:53,519 Speaker 5: Marshall, I'm there. 344 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,079 Speaker 21: Yes, sir, I know how you've been going up and 345 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,799 down the state on this fellas trail, making speeches and 346 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,400 quiz the suspects, and you kind of got me all 347 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,359 eager to help you out. 348 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I hope would happen. But where is it? 349 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 21: Well, he got off the train and headed straight to 350 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,200 the hotel. 351 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 11: Right across the square there. And he ain't come out. 352 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 21: A yet because I've got a back door or and 353 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:18,519 the back door has got to watch it. 354 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,759 Speaker 5: You're sure its crimes. 355 00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 21: If it ain't, you've been printing a picture of his twins, brother, because. 356 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 11: Thank god, like we're just talking the time away, just come. 357 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:29,599 Speaker 5: Fighting cox, mister. 358 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 21: Why I got a pair of lundy round heads, al gaffi, 359 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,759 gizzards out of your hog topies and your white antles 360 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:36,079 are soon. 361 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 11: It all right, he's going into the grocery. Come on, wait, 362 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:54,920 look through the window. That him. That's Grimes stand behind now. 363 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:57,519 Speaker 7: It's Jentry. 364 00:21:57,559 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 9: In just a minute. Let me take care of this gentleman. 365 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:05,799 Speaker 21: Yeah, man, am all right, buddy, put up your hands. 366 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,240 I ain't pointing this gun at nobody else. 367 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 5: Hey got no gun, mister, maybe so, but keep. 368 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,799 Speaker 21: Your hands up and turn to the wall. Mister Feller, 369 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:17,079 look in his pockets and drop what you find on 370 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:17,519 the floor. 371 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:18,559 Speaker 5: You're making a mistake. 372 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 4: I got no gun. 373 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 5: There's what. 374 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 9: Two? 375 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 16: Three? 376 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 5: No gun? 377 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,039 Speaker 13: Huh five? 378 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 9: Six? 379 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 11: Anything else? 380 00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:39,079 Speaker 3: Job hunting knife, jack knife and a racer, that's all man. 381 00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:43,039 Speaker 11: You're a walking arsenal what's in your back pocket? 382 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 4: Wallet? 383 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,279 Speaker 5: What's the name on that? Marshall rule? 384 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:56,839 Speaker 12: I have a rule. Come on, Grime, Maybe when all 385 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,160 the rewards for you were in, I can buy. 386 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:11,799 Speaker 16: A pair of hands. Right, No, I don't need him. 387 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:16,559 Speaker 8: Five hours later after you've promised him headlines galaw Charlie 388 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,400 Grimes is on a train for points plus there to 389 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,759 face the parents. 390 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 5: Survive a row the boy he's killed? 391 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 13: Why, well it is this way, mister. 392 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 8: What's gonna give me my money? 393 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: Pretty soon? Sunny? 394 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 12: I gotta get home my dad he needs me for 395 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:43,960 the work. 396 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 4: What you're gonna tell him about me? 397 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 8: And nothing wrong? 398 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,319 Speaker 15: It's you gonna say I told you I wasn't naming 399 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,680 to pay you nothing for no vote. 400 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:52,319 Speaker 12: You ain't gonna do that to me. You gotta give 401 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:53,200 me what's coming to me. 402 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 13: I aim too, Sonny. 403 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 12: They know I ain't gonna tell my dad or nothing. 404 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 13: Just look here, sonny, big cats, it's just busted water. 405 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:18,599 Speaker 4: What I just figured sooner or later he knew who I. 406 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: Was, so I killed him. 407 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,519 Speaker 4: They fell it what I quit? 408 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,039 Speaker 11: Or how'd you predict just what I'd done? 409 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 5: I knew the kind of mind you have. 410 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 22: You know he had something you know it's a pity 411 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:36,200 you got me into this yere damn why you plenty 412 00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:39,279 smart with me? Could have made a right good team 413 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,359 when you wrote that that story about. 414 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 5: Me when your card in your pocket, Yeah, that's the one. 415 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,799 Speaker 4: When you wrote that one up, I figured. 416 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 5: On killing you next. 417 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 13: Thanks for the company, Yeah, I sure did. 418 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,799 Speaker 4: I never got the chance. 419 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 13: So never got the chance. 420 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 2: In just a moment, we'll read you a telegram from 421 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,000 Harold Power of the Huntington Advertiser with a final outcome 422 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:21,960 of Tonight's big story. Now we read you that telegram 423 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,160 from Harold Paller of the Huntington Advertisers. 424 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:27,839 Speaker 3: Escaped life Termer and Tonight's Big Story was returned to 425 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:31,359 West Virginia State Prison. He was subsequently tried for both 426 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,000 the murders of young Ivy Row and the trustee he 427 00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:39,559 killed in escaping. In each case, he received another life sentence. Consequently, 428 00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:42,599 he's probably the only prisoner in the United States serving 429 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,559 three life sentences for three separate murders. Thanks a lot 430 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:47,960 for tonight's Pellmell Award. 431 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Foller. The makers of pell Mell famous 432 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,000 cigarettes are proud to present you the Pell Mail five 433 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:56,079 hundred Dollars Award for Notable service in the field of Journalism. 434 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 18: Listen again next week, same time, same station, when Fell 435 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:05,079 Mail will present another Big Story. A big story from 436 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,759 the front pages of the Clovist New Mexico News Journals 437 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,640 byline Jack Hulls, A big story about a reporter who 438 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,519 met a murderer who found that the killing of two 439 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:19,359 men instead of one, involved the freedom of a third. 440 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,079 Speaker 2: The Big Story is produced by Bernard Jeff Proctor, with 441 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,960 music LIVELTI Missilenskus. The night's program was adapted by Alan 442 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,480 Sloan from an actual story from the front pages of 443 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,440 the Huntingdon Advertiser. Your narrator was Bob Sloan. Eryl Firestone 444 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,880 played the part of Harold pallow. In order to protect 445 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,880 the names of people actually involved in Tonight's authentic Big Story, 446 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,920 the names of all characters in the dramanization were changed, 447 00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:01,880 with exception of the reporter, mister Paller. This is Derni 448 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,759 Chapel speaking for the makers of helll Famous Cigarettes. It 449 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:12,519 can happen to you, Yeah True, Welcome back well. 450 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:18,799 Speaker 1: Supporting mister Firestone in the cast were Hazel Logan, Jim Bowles, 451 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,640 Jim Stevens, Scott Tennyson, Bob Dryden, and Sandy Bickhard. An 452 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:29,640 interesting case that does seem to kind of mess with 453 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,480 some of the chronology, as this was about his first 454 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:38,680 attempt to break prison in nineteen twenty and the prison 455 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:43,559 break happened pretty much as told, and he killed another 456 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,200 prisoner in the process of escape because the other prisoner 457 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,279 resisted him taking the boat, while the radio episode treats 458 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,960 the taking of the boat as a separate incident with 459 00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:01,720 a separate victim. Now, of course mister Griffith was up 460 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,960 for a murder, but he'd already been convicted of two 461 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,720 murders at the time of his escape, and this would 462 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,079 be the third, meaning the third life sentence. Now, sometime 463 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,279 after this program there would be a push for his 464 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:23,599 parole since he was said to be totally reformed and 465 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:30,920 a model prisoner, and this failed seventeen different times. He 466 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,559 did get released for medical reasons in nineteen sixty seven, 467 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,359 but he escaped his supervision and so ended up going 468 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,599 back to prison. And that information comes from these stories 469 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,559 Behind the Big Story by doctor Joe Webb and anyone 470 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,559 who helped him work on that. Well, now it's time 471 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,799 to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, and I 472 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,240 want to go ahead and thank Blaine. Patreon support order 473 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,400 since January twenty seventeen, currently supporting the podcast at the 474 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,440 rookie level of two dollars or more per month. Thanks 475 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,559 so much for your support, Blane, and that will do 476 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,880 it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow 477 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,680 us using your favorite podcast software and be sure to 478 00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:20,240 rate and review the podcast wherever you download it from. 479 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,519 We'll be back next Tuesday with another episode of the 480 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,920 Big Story. But join us back here tomorrow for broadways 481 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:31,000 my beatware Behi dang. 482 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,519 Speaker 14: And it's all They're waiting for you. Detective Mugavn and 483 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,440 the Boy and Jan Dunhams a faded wolf shirt scrawled 484 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,279 in final exhaustion across the silk sheet of the hotel 485 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,920 bed the boy dead of a knife for. 486 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 17: Quite a party next door. You're thinking a hotel this class. 487 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:47,400 They're ticking the. 488 00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,839 Speaker 8: Wall all right, mug, what else have you got? 489 00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:54,039 Speaker 17: The kidd stabbed down to the heart, couldn't find the knife. 490 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,880 Danny couldn't even bry a visitor out of the hotel manager. 491 00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:58,519 Speaker 9: They're discreet, they. 492 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 17: Don't notice on once business like this kid must have happened. 493 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 14: That's why they tell me what. 494 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 17: I was going to say to day. It's so discreet 495 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,519 in this hotel, That's why the party keeps going next door, 496 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,279 nobody knows if someone did accept. 497 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:15,599 Speaker 14: The manager and a couple of bell hops what made 498 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,720 them sit up and take all. 499 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,359 Speaker 17: This kid's phone was off the hook kept lighting a 500 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,000 light on the switchboard, but nobody said they wanted anything. 501 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,240 A bellhop came up to find out why. 502 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime, 503 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,720 send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 504 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,759 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 505 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:41,759 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, slash Great Detectives from 506 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,759 Boise Ataho. This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.