WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:07.160 Special Operations, Cobert. 2 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:09.160 SPI and I. 3 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:17.480 The Team House with your hopes, Jack Murphy and David Park. 4 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:24.519 Hey everyone, welcome to episode three hundred and forty nine 5 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:27.359 of The Team House. I'm Jack Murphy on tonight with 6 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:31.839 our guest Trey Lindsay. Trey served in the Navy, first 7 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:34.679 in law enforcement before he went over to Seal Team 8 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:38.600 four and then Seal Team six. Served on deployments around 9 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:42.399 the world, and now works as a training organization and 10 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:46.880 knife company involved in law enforcement. And also he's the 11 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:48.840 guy that I end up working for once or twice 12 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:53.000 a year, So that's how we know each other and 13 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:55.560 just know him that being all around great guy. And 14 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:57.439 we're really happy to have you here on the show today. 15 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:00.880 I appreciate it. Brother. Thanks thanks again for having me on. 16 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:03.600 Yeah, man, So start at the beginning. 17 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:05.120 Tell us a little bit about how you grew up 18 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:06.799 and how that took you towards the Navy. 19 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:08.519 No, absolutely so. 20 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.879 I grew up in a small town in rural northeast 21 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.439 Missouri called Cannon's about two hours north of Saint Louis, 22 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.120 and I joined the Navy nine days out of high 23 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.599 school and people often asked me like, Hey, why did 24 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:21.439 you you know, how long did you you know before 25 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.079 you wanted to become a seal or this and that 26 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:24.920 where he actually did it. And for me, I was 27 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:27.040 twelve years old. I read the book Rogue Warrior by 28 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.640 Richard Marsenko. The first commanding officer is Steal Team six, 29 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:31.599 and I was hooked after that. So I read it 30 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:34.040 in between the summer of my six and seventh grade 31 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.640 years and so yeah, after that, that's all I wanted 32 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:38.959 to do in my adult life growing up. So I 33 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:41.120 joined the Navy nine days out of high school and 34 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:42.799 then the rest is history at that point. 35 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:47.760 And so you went in first, you know, before special operations. 36 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:50.359 Who went as a Navy police officer? I mean, tell 37 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:50.959 us about that. 38 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:54.480 Yeah, so again I wanted to be a seal, but 39 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:56.159 I guess I always like kind of joke now that 40 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.560 my recruiter got me pretty good. So after nine to eleven, 41 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.319 mastered arm rate the Navy cops. They were like a 42 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:03.920 critical source rating. So I had to go to my 43 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.560 first duty station for a year before I was able 44 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:09.039 to screen for special programs. So, I mean it all 45 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:11.000 worked out in the end, and kind of like I'll 46 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:13.199 cover later on in the podcast, you know, I guess 47 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.560 really how being at Navy cop Mastered Arms has helped 48 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.639 me a lot with what I'm doing post military life. 49 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.479 I never dreamt it would actually come come full circle 50 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:22.199 the way it has. But it's it's funny how things 51 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:23.479 has worked themselves out like that. 52 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.639 Well, tell us about what that you know profession actually 53 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:28.319 entailed that you did for a year before I go 54 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:29.159 into the teams. 55 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.360 Yeah, so it was a very heavy and physical security. 56 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:34.240 So obviously, you know nine to eleven had already happened. 57 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:36.199 I joined in you know, two thousand and two, you know, 58 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.520 right out of high school. So Afghanistan was already underway, 59 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:41.479 but it was racked and not you know, the invasion 60 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:43.680 I racked and happened till March of two thousand and three. 61 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.639 So little known fact. 62 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.919 I think the majority of the initial Shakhanah ordinance that 63 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.520 was that was dropped during the initial initial push initial 64 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.000 invasion actually came from one of the one of the 65 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.680 duty stations I was in physical security of, you know, 66 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:01.960 at the time, in the in the southwestern Pacific. 67 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:03.360 So again it was. 68 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.439 Just kind of multiple, uh, you know, multiple of shifts. 69 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.280 You know, we were pulling you know, constantly when they 70 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.039 were bringing ordinance to the aircraft, you know, to the 71 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.360 some of the aircraft of the Air Force base, but 72 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.560 also on some of the carrier battle groups that were 73 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:17.840 pulling into port. They would pretty much you know, have 74 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.919 all these weapons systems stockpiled and they would uh they 75 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:24.319 would you know, take off take off from there. Then 76 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:26.360 once the initial invasion happened, it was just a steady 77 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:26.800 flow of that. 78 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:28.919 So very heavy and physical security. 79 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:33.080 Uh, some you know law enforcement act aspect of things 80 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:35.120 you still have, you know, you know, things you're dealing 81 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.400 with on base. But really was you know a little 82 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.879 different than your typical law enforcement job you know in 83 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:41.719 the in the civilian world that you know, the men 84 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:43.039 and women you know, who are. 85 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.479 Serving the communities are sworn to protect, have to deal with. 86 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:48.360 Yeah, I mean it's super important stuff when you're talking 87 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.719 about these huge ordnance facilities and we're all aware now 88 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.319 of some of these like sabotage campaigns that are across 89 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:57.520 Europe and you get one bad actor in there and 90 00:03:57.719 --> 00:03:58.719 the whole thing goes up. 91 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.319 Yeah, no, exactly exactly, So yeah, very very strategic you 92 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:03.360 know location. 93 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.080 And so you get a taste for Navy life here. 94 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:10.919 But your dream since reading Rogue Warrior is still the 95 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:15.719 seal teams absolutely tell us about you know, getting into 96 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:17.800 Buds and kind of that experience. 97 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.319 Yeah, so I was fortunate enough where I was at 98 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:24.040 there was actually a Naval Special Warfare unit located over there, 99 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:25.759 so I was able to do all my screen you 100 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.279 know testing and like a a little bit of an interview. 101 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.279 It really wasn't too terribly much of one to go 102 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:31.959 to BUDS initially, but was able to get on my 103 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.160 paperwork squat away passive PT test initially to get my package, 104 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:37.279 and then when I got orders, I did one more 105 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:41.360 PT test thirty days prior to me transferring. So from there, yeah, 106 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.560 that pretty much takes me to Cornado, California, you know, 107 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.360 in uh spring time of two thousand and four. 108 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:49.199 How'd that treat you? 109 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:51.759 I mean, the. 110 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.000 Buds has definitely experience where no one wants everyonets to 111 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:54.600 relive it again. 112 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:56.360 So I mean, looking at it, you know as a whole, 113 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:57.680 was just completely overwhelming. 114 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:59.240 But when I teach a lot of like the leadership 115 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.199 and team building versus now I talk about you know, 116 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:03.279 just had to like, you know, how to eat an 117 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:04.800 elephant one bite at a time. And I always like 118 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:06.519 to use the buds analogy, you pretty much take it 119 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:08.639 one evolution at a time, make it to your next meal, 120 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.560 and then just you know, keep you know, always put out, 121 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:13.800 be a good teammate, and then just you know, never 122 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:16.480 uh you know, never never forget what the end state is, 123 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.519 the end goal is. So I started with Class two 124 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:22.879 five to two, like I said, checked in May of 125 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:24.800 two thousand and four. Was fortunate enough to make it 126 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.639 straight through with that same class. So I got to 127 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.360 me through like Airborne school, and we still went to 128 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.240 the Army Airborne School and then SQT and I checked 129 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:34.959 in the Seal Team four in the fall of two 130 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:35.639 thousand and five. 131 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:43.439 So okay, before we move on, favorite Bud story. 132 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:42.800 Oh gosh. 133 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.439 So yeah, one of the uh one of the with 134 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.360 the leadership and team building stuff I'm doing now. So 135 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:50.920 I had this acronym, uh you know, I kind of 136 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:52.720 you know, I heard one evening when I was on 137 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.279 third phase. It's called fitfo It's saying spans for figure 138 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.399 it you know you know what out you know, fit 139 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.399 foam mentality. So and the backstory of that is, so 140 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.079 I was on Watch, you know, twenty years old, you know, 141 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.199 in third phase out of San Clemente Island, and uh, 142 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:07.839 I mean, looking back, I was just I was just 143 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:09.720 such a dumb ass at the time, such an immature 144 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.040 kid still, you know, even though it's you know, get 145 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.000 ready to graduate buds. But anyway, so I'm on watch 146 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:16.920 one eating on the quarterdeck when the classes, you know, 147 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:18.759 the rest of the classes asleep, and we're only getting 148 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:20.720 maybe four or five six hours at the you know, 149 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.240 very very most most of the time, it's about three 150 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:25.759 to four hours of sleep per night. And so anyways, 151 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.079 I'm on watch and I get a call from the 152 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.079 from the instructor lounge, the quarterdeck area. The instructors had 153 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.839 their own you know barracks, you know, birthing areas, you know, 154 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:35.160 where they're kind of a lounge are or they can 155 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:37.160 kind of take a little break from students when the 156 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:39.279 work was over. And so maybe I get a call 157 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:43.879 and it's the senior senior instructor. So uh again, he starts, 158 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:45.759 you know, kind of proceeding to give me like an 159 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.160 order of like, hey, bring so many glasses of orange juice, 160 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:49.399 you know, some of the glass. 161 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:51.160 And cranberry juice, you know, like ice. 162 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:53.519 He starts having as a whole grocery list of items 163 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:55.480 he sees want me to bring down there. I think 164 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.000 they're making cocktails, of course, you know, so you know 165 00:06:58.079 --> 00:06:58.839 exact what they're doing. 166 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.279 So having it's having some adult ever did so again 167 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.040 just me being the dumb ass kid, you know, at. 168 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:04.879 Twenty years old at the time, I started just coming 169 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.040 up with the dumbest questions you could possibly possibly think 170 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.199 of at the time. And it was as one of 171 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:12.839 the senior chiefs, the same rank I retired as, and 172 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:14.920 so he was a senior instructor on the on the 173 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:18.240 island at the time. And again I started asking him like, well, well, senior, 174 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:20.360 like where where where am I going to find those things? At? 175 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.480 You know, I'm on watch and I have someone relieve me. 176 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:27.040 And he stops me mid sentence and he says, hey, look, motherfucker, 177 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:28.439 you better figure it. 178 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.120 The fuck out or else. 179 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.720 And you best to stop that mindset if you want 180 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.120 to have any success in this community whatsoever. 181 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:37.560 Click so again in that. 182 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:39.600 Moment, not want to be the reason the class was 183 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.519 woken up and putting the surf zone for surf tords here. 184 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:44.199 We can talk about surf torture a little bit later. 185 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.160 But what did I do in that moment I figured 186 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:47.839 it the fuck out real quick. Let me tell you 187 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.600 so again, I was running around, scrambling, trying to find 188 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:52.600 stuff as fast as I could and get it over there. 189 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.000 And so I finally got it all put together, not 190 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:56.920 you know, ran it down with the instructor. Lounges, knocked 191 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:58.879 on the door, you know, stated my name and rank 192 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:00.720 and what I was there for, dropped it off, and 193 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.199 he's like, get the fuck out of here, go back 194 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:02.839 to the quarter deck. 195 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.279 So I ran back and then enough enough said. 196 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.839 But again, as funny as that story was at the time, 197 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.519 looking back still to this day, is probably one of 198 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.199 the biggest life lessons learned I have. It's basically the 199 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.920 problem solving mindset, like you know, figuring things out. So 200 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.000 and that was one hundred percent true as far as 201 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:19.680 you have to have the fitfo to figure out the 202 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.839 fuck out mentality to you know, have any success on 203 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:23.879 the seal teams, little alone is in life in general. 204 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.480 I'm still using the fitful mentality to this day as 205 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:28.399 far as getting you know, you know, getting like keeping 206 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.160 my training company up and running, getting our knife design company, 207 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.039 you know, uh up over our initial release done, and 208 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:35.960 also the some of the collateral duties I have in 209 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.639 the law enforcement world, get getting my Texas Commission on 210 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.600 Law Enforcement license as well. So again you we we 211 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:43.799 could we could spend you know, hours upon hours talking 212 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.639 about bud stories. That's probably one of my one of 213 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:47.759 my favorite ones. Just as far as what still sticks 214 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:49.120 to me to this day, one of the one of 215 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:50.200 the life lessons learned. 216 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:52.919 I got to ask you, you know, follow up, where 217 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:55.519 the hell did you find cranberry juice and orange juice 218 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:55.919 and all of this? 219 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.440 A good place for it, probably of the galley, the 220 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.080 chow hauling Okay, so okay, a couple are things that 221 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:02.799 had to go elsewhere to find it. But it was, 222 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.000 uh yeah, it was pretty It was more streamlined than 223 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:06.480 I originally was worried it was gonna be. 224 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:11.279 So uh and then you mentioned surf torture. 225 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.840 Mm hmmm, yeah, So surf torture all that is it's 226 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.080 just you know, it's it's a means where the instructors 227 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:18.799 can take a little break and they just let the 228 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.919 elements do the work, you know, for the class as 229 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.240 far as trying to get uh get get guys to quit. 230 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.200 But it's an evolution where you just lay in the 231 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.240 uh lay in the uh you know, Pacific Ocean off 232 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.279 you know, the the Buds Beach or wherever you're at 233 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:31.919 if you're out in San Clemente Island. 234 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:33.879 And again, like the water is never warm out there. 235 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:36.399 For folks who have been in southern California, it was 236 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:38.000 a summer hell week, So, I mean it was a 237 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:39.840 little bit warmer, but I think mid sixties was the 238 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.879 warmest the water ever did get on us. So yeah, 239 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:45.720 just again, it's just uh, just a timeframe where the 240 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:47.559 instructors can take a little break and just let the 241 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.639 elements do the work and get guys to quit if they. 242 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:54.480 Want to get that attrition rate down exactly, exactly, all right, 243 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:56.960 So I won't make you tell bud stories all night here. 244 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.519 Try that's the We'll both to do a separate one 245 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:00.240 just for buds story. 246 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:02.840 I got plenty of them, I know. I feel I 247 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.919 feel like we all have more stories about selection than like, 248 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:09.519 you know, Oliver Stone has about Vietnam, you know, yeah, exactly, 249 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:14.799 so you check into Seal Team four, uh, tell us 250 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:15.759 about that experience. 251 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.159 Yeah, so it was a little bit different than what 252 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.600 other guys, other brand new guys had experienced, just because 253 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.440 Team four, Uh, Seal Team four was deployed at the time, 254 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:27.639 so as me and the rest of my you know, 255 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:30.360 classmates from BUDS and SQT, I mean we there was 256 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.480 literally like I think two seals. There was like a chief, 257 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.320 you know, it was like the mastered Orange Shock kind 258 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:37.799 of doing an administrative work and there was maybe one 259 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:38.240 of the guys. 260 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:39.399 So we got formed out. 261 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.200 To uh to trade at the training attachment on the 262 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.679 East Coast with the different cells. So I ended up 263 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:45.879 going to the H one of the Assault sales you 264 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.240 know on CQB and like the in the also mount 265 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.159 the Military Operations and Urban Trains South Special Operations in 266 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.480 Urban Combat. So I got to do several trips with 267 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.639 them there seeing other Seal platoons from other East Coast 268 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:58.480 teams go through. 269 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:00.480 So again we always when we. 270 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:02.440 Got back to UH, you know, we checked back in, 271 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:04.200 you know, to Team four after the you know, the 272 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:06.000 guys got back from deployment, it was you know, the 273 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:07.879 new guy games all over again at that point, like 274 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:09.080 we figured it was gonna be. 275 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.679 But uh, it was really it was really interesting. 276 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:13.759 I think overall, looking back, it was a good experience 277 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.440 just getting to know different guys from your team and 278 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:18.879 it's you know, being a kind of role players out 279 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:20.600 for for them and just kind of actually doing some 280 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.120 of the runs with them as well. So it really, 281 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.480 at least for me, that definitely helped out just kind 282 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:27.440 of get a jump start on at least the assault 283 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:28.519 seek be portion. 284 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.399 A little bit of uh O j T before you 285 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:32.519 really started. 286 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.519 No exactly exactly, so it was good. It was really 287 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:37.039 good overall. 288 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.720 So the guys come back, and at what point do 289 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:41.840 you get put on a platoon? 290 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.639 So almost immediately we were we were pretty much we're 291 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:46.240 gonna be slated. 292 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.799 I knew I was going to three troop and uh 293 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:53.480 in a fox drop platoon, so uh sorry echo platoon echotune. 294 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:55.159 I ended up switching on my second go round. 295 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.360 But yeah, so we knew what platoon what you know, 296 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:00.559 troop you're going to is called tasking at the time, 297 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.240 we uh it transferred over to troops right after that. 298 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:06.399 But uh again, you know, looking back, it was, you know, 299 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:08.679 like the guys came back in for like flate fall 300 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.639 time frames. We had a couple of months of of 301 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:13.720 kind of like you know, the pro dead professional development. 302 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:15.559 We didn't have a whole lot going on, and after 303 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.919 the first of the year we start our UoT our 304 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:20.320 unit level training. So we were hitting the road early, 305 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.879 you know, you know of two thousand and six, you know, 306 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.559 we were, uh, we were you know, going to Fort Chaffee, 307 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:28.480 you know, in other places. You know, it's UNDO our 308 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.279 ground Mobility out in the out in the Nevada area, 309 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.440 one of our training sites. So it was just a 310 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:35.759 NonStop and it's I mean still to this day, I 311 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:37.679 still have a crazy work schedule and you know, with 312 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:39.799 what I'm doing and kind of people tell me. I 313 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:41.559 asked me like, how do you how do you like, 314 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.919 you know, travel so much. It's like it's all I've 315 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:45.840 known since two thousand and five. I've never been in 316 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:49.039 one location more than like six months out of the year. So, uh, 317 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.519 it's just a constant, a constant flow. It's I guess 318 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:53.159 I'm just you know, used to it. So that's all 319 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:54.879 I know now. So I don't know what I would 320 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:56.159 do if I was, you know, in some place for 321 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:57.720 several months. Trade I know, if I was home here, 322 00:12:57.759 --> 00:12:59.639 I would absolutely drive my wife and saying, you know. 323 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.360 I want to ask you, you know, like what type 324 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.120 of dudes land on a seal platoon? Like who are 325 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:08.639 some of these guys. You know, you don't have to 326 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.639 mention anyone by name if you don't want to, But like, 327 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:12.039 what are these personalities? 328 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:13.720 Like, I mean, it's. 329 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.600 Definitely type A personalities across the board. You know, that's 330 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:18.120 kind of be expected. You know, you have to be, 331 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.919 you know, a type A to have any success in 332 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.159 the seal teams. 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They rock check them out. 392 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:23.960 I love ghost sped. Thanks guys, And. 393 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:26.159 I mean, at what point did you find out where 394 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:27.320 you guys were deploying to. 395 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:32.000 It wasn't until I want to say, probably springtime. 396 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.440 We deployed the fall of two thousand and six. So yeah, 397 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.559 my first one was to Felujah, Iraq. 398 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:37.399 So oh wow. 399 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.320 It was a you know a little a little bit 400 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.840 like your average you know, a little over six months deployment. 401 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.240 We had a condensed you know, UoT and. 402 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.519 PRODEV and also said, you know, let's throat into integrations 403 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.919 training just because of like kind of the deployment cycle. 404 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.879 I After that we went back to like the East 405 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.279 and West Coast teams went back to two year like 406 00:16:57.320 --> 00:16:58.360 you know, all every six months. 407 00:16:58.480 --> 00:16:59.799 It was pretty got back from deployments. 408 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.600 It was pro DEEV, then u l T Unit level training, 409 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:04.759 the you know kind of squatter integration training but still 410 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:07.319 called that, and then deployment. So but we only we 411 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.519 were on eighteen month cycles. It was just that much 412 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:10.319 that much faster. 413 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.160 So you guys got to Fallujah, if my uh chronology 414 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.960 is right, a little bit after the Marines went in there, 415 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:22.000 and kind of like cleaned the place out absolutely. So 416 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:24.440 what was it like when you arrived in Fallujah sort of? 417 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:25.960 What was the atmospherics? 418 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.240 Well, I mean, the guys that were already in country 419 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:31.400 coming to convoy to pick us up, you know, on 420 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:35.200 the humbies and other other armory equipment got hit by 421 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:37.920 I D and our our lead Turt Gunner got you know, 422 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.000 fragged pretty good from it. So that was kind of 423 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:41.680 a it was kind of like, hey, you know, all 424 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:43.920 the new guys, welcome, Welcome to Iraq. You know you're 425 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.119 in the war zone now this we're playing for keep. 426 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:48.680 So that was definitely you know, not that I didn't 427 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:50.920 I wasn't already thinking that to begin with, but yeah, 428 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.960 it definitely kind of was a realization immediately right when 429 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:55.559 we uh, right when we permitted at the deck saying 430 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:57.359 like hey, you're you know, the guy in the airfield 431 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:58.920 had already you know, gotten word you know, some of 432 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:01.640 it from our our Joint Operations Center had like let 433 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.440 them know that, Hey, like a convoy's gonna be late 434 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:05.000 because they got hit with an I D and they 435 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.160 had to do a you know, a cast a back bird, 436 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.920 you know, casualty evacuation bird for our lead turt. 437 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:13.759 Gunner and what was the mission like when you guys 438 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:14.240 got there. 439 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:17.799 So we were we had a Iraqi partner for us. 440 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.000 We were training, but it was mostly direct action raids 441 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:21.640 we were doing. So they wanted us to have, you know, 442 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.720 so many Iraqis they would take, we would take out 443 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:26.519 with them, or they could take out with us. And 444 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.160 so they had like a couple of guys doing the 445 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.279 training of them and another guy. The rest of the 446 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.480 guys were doing operations, you know, some some like kind 447 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:35.319 of sniper over on stuff. It was mostly like it 448 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:39.039 was the direct raid, the kill capture operations. 449 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:39.000 We were doing. 450 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:41.400 Any that kind of stand out in your mind. 451 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.000 I mean, there were several of them that definitely, uh 452 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:48.440 definitely you know, could have got a little little little sporty, 453 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:53.000 little spicy, But it wasn't until after I left because 454 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:54.319 I was on the first rit bird out and the 455 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:56.720 read from Place bird and then so I was like 456 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.519 probably about half of our platoon or half of our troop, 457 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:02.400 other guys from Team ten and contingent. 458 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:03.880 That we're gonna be ripping ripping out with us. 459 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:04.680 Uh. 460 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.000 So they uh, they went out on target with the 461 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:08.640 rest of our guys, and then a good buddy of 462 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:11.400 mine was killed that you know, evening literally like a day. 463 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:12.039 After we left. 464 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.160 So that one, I, you know, I talk about that 465 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:16.279 every so often a little bit at that one still 466 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:18.559 kind of stings this day as far as you know, 467 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:21.519 cause we hit just so many compounds over the UH 468 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.880 over the course that six months, and then sure enough, 469 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:25.400 you know, we lose we lose a guy in one 470 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.319 of the last ops you know of the UH of 471 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:30.240 the deployment, let alone with not even like almost you know, 472 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:30.920 almost half the. 473 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:32.920 Guys being gone not there for either. 474 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.880 So uh, you know, kind of looking back, I say, 475 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.079 if I could have I told this story before as well, 476 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:40.880 if I could have one redo in my entire career, 477 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.039 I would go back and ask not to be on 478 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.039 you know, the first rip bird flight out because again 479 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:47.799 I totally understand like my leadership point of view, because 480 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:49.920 I would I would definitely would wanted to. I wanted 481 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.599 to stay, but I was gonna be going to sniper school, 482 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:55.440 you know, within like you know, less than a month 483 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.920 of getting back, and then straight into lead preacher explosive 484 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.279 breaching school. So my professional development I was and be 485 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.079 gone for a good portion of it, so ended up 486 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.000 ended up you know, taking you being my first deployment 487 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.200 with a busy prod of being one of the first 488 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.039 guys that had rip out you know, which again it. 489 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:10.759 Was about half of us. 490 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:12.440 But if I could have you know, I said, I 491 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:15.079 could have one redo over again, I would turn back 492 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.279 time and make sure I was on that off for 493 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:18.279 when everything went down. 494 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:19.759 Yeah. That sucks, man. 495 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:21.759 It always seems like it's the last damn mission on 496 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:22.359 the deployment. 497 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:24.480 Yeah, exactly. 498 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:26.359 So, yeah, we had a guy you know, you know, 499 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.200 you get fragged pretty good, you know, from the I 500 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.319 D first, uh, you know first, you know, and one 501 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.720 of the I think maybe the first night we were 502 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:34.240 in country. 503 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.759 I think it was the second convoy they did overall. 504 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.400 And then yeah, like in the direct action right, they 505 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.440 were going after a group of all kind of militants 506 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:43.839 that shut down an American helicopter the previous day. 507 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.160 So it was just just bad. But hey, you know, 508 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.480 I'm bringing lessons learned, life lessons learn at that point. 509 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:51.279 Yeah, man. And so you get back and go to 510 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:54.079 the Sniper Corps. Is that the one in Indiana? 511 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:54.920 Yes? 512 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:56.440 Great, Yeah, so some of it's you know, they do 513 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:58.160 like the East and West coast will do like they're 514 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.359 again it's different now. I think it's all like one 515 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:02.920 big school, but like you know picked like photo image capture, 516 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.200 and they had like the scout it's almost like a SNYP, 517 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.880 you know, scout sniper like sniper light and then if 518 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:09.880 you pass both those then you would go on to 519 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:15.519 the full you know, sniper training pipeline in UH in Indiana. 520 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.559 And what was the sniper course like. 521 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:20.119 It was definitely challenging. 522 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:24.200 I mean, honestly, the shooting itself was was was you 523 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.160 know hard at times, but it was the easiest. It 524 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:27.960 was like some of the stocking. Just the overall like 525 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:28.680 field craft. 526 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:28.880 You know. 527 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:30.400 I was you know, born and raised, like I said, 528 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:32.400 in rural northeast Missouri, so I spent plenty of time 529 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:34.559 out in the field, you know, hunting and into it 530 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.880 just like my grandparents, you know farm they had UH 531 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.200 in rural northeast Missouri close to where I grew up. 532 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.000 But it just the overall like field craft and like 533 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:47.559 being you know, you know, covert clandestine about things too, 534 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:49.279 is probably one of the biggest things. 535 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:50.680 Again, the shooting. 536 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:53.960 Stuff was was challenging by all means, but I'd say 537 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.519 like the actual field craft for me, especially some of 538 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:58.599 the stocking was what I uh, you. 539 00:21:58.480 --> 00:21:59.759 Know, it was the most challenging. 540 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.160 And at that time where you guys still like building 541 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.519 out the big bear suits, the Gilly suits and oh 542 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:07.200 yeah yeah you. 543 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.640 Had your Gilly Gilly shawl, your Gilly Gilly suit. You know, 544 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:12.079 had had several different options depending on what you wanted 545 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:16.400 to wear. So again, like we were fortunate enough, I 546 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:18.240 was going through in the summertime frame, so we had 547 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:19.319 know thick vegetation. 548 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:20.880 It was a whole lot easier than guys. 549 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.599 That have to go through in the the winter time 550 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:24.920 with no folage everything else. Of course, we got to 551 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:27.240 worry about poison ivy at that point in time. I think, 552 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:29.079 you know, probably two thirds of the class ended up 553 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:31.799 getting poison ivy really bad. But again just the price 554 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:33.359 of doing business. It's the nature of the beast. 555 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.920 So biggest takeaway from sniper school, aside from stalking, I 556 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:40.559 guess tactical patients. 557 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:45.200 Definitely learned tactical patients there, you know, in an extreme way. 558 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:47.279 So in your you know, doing your stock, you're in 559 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.839 your high sight. You're just waiting for that right moment 560 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.000 to h when you need to uh we need to 561 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:54.799 execute when you need to do it, do an engagement, 562 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.480 I'd tell yeah, definitely, Tactical patients was the overall biggest 563 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.319 lessons learned in theme from going to snipers. 564 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.279 School, and then I think you mentioned was there a 565 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:05.440 master Breacher course. 566 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:07.920 Yeah, so I went to like lead breacher course after that, 567 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.680 and again, like guys were saying, like, hey, that makes 568 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:11.359 some of the older guys that make no sense, you know, 569 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.119 because usually like the snipers were doing their own thing, breachers. 570 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:14.680 Would do their own thing. 571 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:16.880 But again I was just kind of dual trained where 572 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:18.799 I could be the lead breacher on an op or 573 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.079 I could you know, be the sniper role doing the 574 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:23.680 sniper Overwatch or some of the you know kind of 575 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.200 like longer containment you know, operations. 576 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:26.039 We would do. 577 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:28.839 How do you like the breacher course? 578 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:31.920 It was fun? I mean, explosives are always fun, you know, 579 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:32.759 no matter what. 580 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:35.400 So again, really I like the breaching aspect is the 581 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.519 problem solving because they go, you know, just you you 582 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:39.559 truly learned to kind of really like be able to 583 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:41.799 like read the door when you like to, you know, 584 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.799 you do like you you know, calculation of what's charge 585 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:45.680 you know, our charges you need ahead of time. 586 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:47.400 You know, I have it, you know, through your specific 587 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:48.839 you know sps for one and something. 588 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:50.160 There's a little bit of a you know, a little 589 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:52.960 bit of leeway on what exactly you could use. So 590 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.599 it was definitely kind of the ultimate you know, problem 591 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:58.440 solving in the moment, figuring out which charge you use, 592 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.119 how much explosive net weight you have, and then even 593 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:04.599 what type of explosives and kind of going from UH 594 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.400 from there, just you know, using your uh, using your 595 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.079 trade craft, you know, when you're out out on operations. 596 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.640 At this point in time, I guess we're still in 597 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:15.160 like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven. Around then, 598 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:21.000 was the training starting to move more towards like urban 599 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:23.680 environment to sort of simulate the environment you guys were 600 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:25.960 going into or were still like trying to blow down 601 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.079 trees to build an apty and that kind of thing. 602 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.480 It was definitely heavy in the h the urban aspect 603 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.559 of things, but we still never went away from the 604 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:36.960 field craft you know aspect as well though, especially what 605 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.079 happened in the you know, a summer of two thousand 606 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.920 and five in Afghanistan with the UH you know, the 607 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.680 the loan survivor incident with the you know, the you know, 608 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.599 upper Red Wings on that one. So yeah, again, always 609 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:50.559 lessons learned on that one, because yeah, we were doing 610 00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:52.839 a lot of direct action rates and more built up areas, 611 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:54.839 but we still could find ourselves out in a rural 612 00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:58.039 environment or even a rule into an urban environment, uh 613 00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.319 and getting an engagement there. 614 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.480 So definitely definitely. 615 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.480 Had to be proficient in all aspects of the operation 616 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:05.480 you could come across. 617 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.720 So you're you're moving along at a pretty steady clip 618 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:12.119 here as a young seal going from being doing your 619 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:16.400 first platoon sniper breacher and then going back to your 620 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:19.359 platoon and going through the whole train up cycle again. 621 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.200 Yeah, correct, And the actually I did an augment with 622 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.039 Seal Team eight as well to Iraq for a little 623 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.680 bit when we were doing some of the counter on 624 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.319 rating insurgency stuff you know, back during that time frame. 625 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:32.640 So yeah, I ended up doing a little bit of 626 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:33.319 an augment with them. 627 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.240 It was a good experience, and then deployed again the 628 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:39.359 fall of two thousand and eight to back to Iraq, 629 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:43.400 and you know, it was different, different troop than a 630 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.519 while I was assigned to initially, but there was like 631 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.759 a contingent of guys from our troop that we're gonna 632 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.079 go augment the guys of our troop, and then our 633 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.319 troop was in kind of doing the Yukom deployment. So 634 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.119 that was that was actually again it all worked out. 635 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:57.720 It would have been nice to stay longer in the 636 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.480 in the war zone and get more experience, but you know, 637 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.680 being able to do some of the stuff throughout throughout 638 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:04.720 Europe and really kind of get get ready for our 639 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.960 selection course for for the command coming up. 640 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:08.480 You know, I started in two thousand and nine. 641 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.079 So tell us a little bit about the counter Iran 642 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:13.160 mission because that's a that's an interesting one. 643 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:13.960 Yeah. 644 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.480 So it's I mean, obviously Al Qaida, Iraq, you know, 645 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:18.279 they were the they were the big, you know, big 646 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.559 ones there going after. But this had such a negative 647 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.839 Iranian influence, especially some of the areas where we were 648 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.480 working around, like the you know, the eastern eastern side 649 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.039 of Iraq and also even Bagdad itself. So I know 650 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.200 a lot of guys who did uh you know operations 651 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.359 in Solder City. You know, it was pretty much you know, 652 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.240 the slums of Baghdad. I mean, most a lot of 653 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.160 guys that did any work around Bagdat are familiar with 654 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.720 Solder City, UH and it really it was some of 655 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:45.000 the some of the like the explosives that like they're 656 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.400 you know, they were coming up with. The Iranians were 657 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.799 coming up with specifically designed to defeat some of our 658 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.720 armor systems. So we were we were on hot and heavy, 659 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:55.799 you know, doing the Accounter Iran Iranian you know, insertaincy mission. 660 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:57.839 So you guys were trying to like disrupt the i e. 661 00:26:57.960 --> 00:26:58.680 D networks. 662 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:00.880 Yes, that was a biggest thing. You know, we got 663 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.599 up a lot of like the financiers and like the 664 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.000 senior leaders. But again it's just you know, the more 665 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:07.920 the more you know, operations we would do. It was 666 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.680 pretty It's pretty crazy to see just how how some 667 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:13.440 of these senior leaders you know that the counter Iranian 668 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.720 are they the Iranian surgency were tied in with the 669 00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:20.000 UH current government in Iraq. It was probably a sticky 670 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.279 situation all around, depending on depending on what you know, 671 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:24.359 part of the country you're in. 672 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.119 Yeah, how did the politics interfere with your operation? I 673 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.519 mean sort of the local politics, like did they try 674 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.720 to like shut down some of these missions or did 675 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:33.519 you run into. 676 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.039 That they tried to a little bit, but it seemed 677 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.599 like we were definitely were we were insulated from from 678 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.960 a lot of that aspect of things, just because it 679 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.400 was it was so important the time, and like I, 680 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.519 RACK had already been kind of spiraling out of control 681 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.559 for for a while from probably you know, two thousand 682 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.599 and five on, and didn't you know, even if you 683 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.359 wantn't call it stabilized, it didn't really didn't stabilize till like, 684 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.480 you know, twenty ten, twenty eleven. And then obviously during 685 00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:57.640 the troop wud draw, the whole world saw that under 686 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.279 the UH, under the current administration at the time, when 687 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:01.799 they are going to pull everyone out, and then like 688 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.079 little Isis just came in there and started wrecking shop. 689 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:07.880 And then sure enough, contingent of UH Special Operations were 690 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.880 right back in there saving you know, you know, saving 691 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:13.720 what was left of Iraq at the time. 692 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:20.400 And then you mentioned going over to European Command. Mm hmm, 693 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.319 what what were you guys up to over there? 694 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.599 So we were doing a lot of like just training 695 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:26.720 operations more than anything. 696 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.720 It's like bi lads, like bilateral exchanges other UH I 697 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.200 can't I can't remember some of the acronyms, but it 698 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.960 was basically like working with our. 699 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.119 Our NATO allies over there. 700 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.480 So I went to Poland for for a solid month, 701 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:40.880 you know, work with the Polish DROM awesome, awesome dudes. 702 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.920 And it went to Estonia for three weeks after that, 703 00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:44.799 you know, within a matter of a couple of days. 704 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:46.960 So again, really good experience. 705 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.200 And uh you always have like your you know, your 706 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.000 embassy evacuation that could could come up, you know, you 707 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.960 could you out of there among other operations, but really 708 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.400 you more than anything focusing on training and then for 709 00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.000 me just getting you know, making sure I was in 710 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.759 good shape and right, you know, mindset, getting ready to 711 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.279 start the selection process for the command coming up. 712 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:05.519 Oh yeah, what was it? 713 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.079 What was it like working with some of the NATO partners, Like, 714 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.440 I mean, Groham is known to be very professional. The 715 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.920 the Baltic States also are known to be pretty hardcore. 716 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.880 Yeah, no, like I would, I would deploy with the 717 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.519 Graham guys in a heartbeat. 718 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.000 You know, And I was, uh, you know, kind of 719 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.640 fast forward years later, I did a little exchange with 720 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.160 the SBS guys and I was gonna be deployed with 721 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.240 them when I was a team leader at the at 722 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:28.960 the command and one of the squadrons, and I was 723 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.039 having to have one of my of my junior guys 724 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.880 go with me as well, but that didn't getting shut down. 725 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.000 Let our shut off last minute, which is a which 726 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.200 was a bummer. Like I told guys before, there's again 727 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.519 there's two units I really would like to have deployed with. 728 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.480 Number one is our Delta Forest you know brothers, you know, 729 00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.200 our counterparts from the army, and then and then also 730 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:49.920 our our SBS, you know, our UK brothers as well. 731 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.400 So I had like we we had it all lined up, 732 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.680 but at the same timeframe we were gonna be uh 733 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.839 you know, having it having a contingent of our of 734 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.319 our troop deployed with some of the de boys down 735 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.759 you know, south from where we were at. But again 736 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.880 it got with the some of the manning issues and 737 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.759 kind of like the withdrawing of forces. You know, they 738 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.559 didn't even deploy all their guys, so we were the 739 00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:12.079 first ones to get cut. But like my number two, 740 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.279 my assistant team leader, he just deployed with the strike 741 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.039 for us too, you know, doing like the Iraq you 742 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.319 know in Syria, you know, kind of direct actual age. 743 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:20.799 And now he said that was one of his best 744 00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.039 deployments he ever had. So the guys were great, super talented. 745 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:26.599 You know, it's just very again looking back, if I could, 746 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.279 I would really like to have, you know, one ended 747 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.519 up deployment with them, and then also deployment with our 748 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.960 our SBS brothers which came close both times, were with 749 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.880 both units, but just didn't didn't know. It wasn't quite 750 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.559 how the cards were gonna fall for us unfortunately. 751 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:44.319 So it sounds like in this time you're already thinking 752 00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.960 about screening for the command. You had this you had 753 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.480 this idea in mind really since the moment you joined 754 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.559 the Navy. It sounds like exactly. 755 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:54.480 Like I said, like when I from I was twelve 756 00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.680 years old when I read read the book Rogue Warrior Senko. 757 00:30:58.039 --> 00:30:59.759 So yeah, I screened in the summer of two thousand 758 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.559 and eight, you know, screen positive. It was made uh 759 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.519 still a team for the rest of my deployment cycle there. 760 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.440 Like I mentioned before, I deployed Iraq and then you 761 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:09.920 come for a little bit and then checked in to 762 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.960 start a start the selection course in the springtime of 763 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.039 two thousand and nine. 764 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.200 Uh so what was the screening process like. 765 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.880 Again, it's you know, you know, PT is obviously a 766 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.759 big factor on there. But like when when guys you know, 767 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.039 ask me what what was harder? You know, like you know, 768 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.039 a green team, the selection course for development group or 769 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.720 or BUDS uh met personally for me, I would rather 770 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.920 do at a minimum, I would do first phase of 771 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.720 BUDS including helliwek again before I did the six weeks 772 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.839 of the basic you know, close quarter battles. Fa. Yeah, 773 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.279 just again, it's looking back, it's all the stress you 774 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.680 put on yourself, you know again, like it's you're you're 775 00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:50.319 not learning anything that it's technically some stuff, it's new, yes, 776 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.240 but the instructors are demonstrating and telling you only once, 777 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.680 but they're telling you exactly how you want they want 778 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.039 you to do it, and then this perfection is demanded 779 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.279 and then so again you're doing you know, hell, just 780 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.240 pets of a morning for you know, a couple several 781 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.559 hours and you're just getting right into doing the house 782 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.440 run after a house wrong and a run, and then 783 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:08.759 classes divide in the half half guys in the house, 784 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.039 half the guys in the range doing drills, and we 785 00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:12.559 would flip flop in the afternoon. 786 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.359 So yeah, I've heard guys say even even dudes that 787 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.720 are not super fond of the Seals, say at Development 788 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.759 Group they have a very robust, you know, counter terrorism 789 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.960 CQB program. 790 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.400 Yeah, So again it's it's that's one of the biggest 791 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:28.279 things we are judged on. 792 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:29.720 I mean, yes, you have to have other you have 793 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:30.720 to be confident in other you. 794 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:35.359 Know, core seal skills skill sets, but the CQB aspect, 795 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.000 you know, again like kind of people ask me all 796 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:39.599 the time in the civilian world, what's CK be mean? 797 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.240 Like at this like room clearing, you know, like structure clearing, 798 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.519 you know, how to do it safely with potentially you know, 799 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.559 you know, heavily armed packs inside there too. 800 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.759 And again this you know kind of you know, coming 801 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:49.440 full circle. 802 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.720 Never when I was going through the selection and then 803 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.480 you know, you know, just doing you all, you know, 804 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.960 staying on the on the deployment grind at the command. 805 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.359 I never thought, you know, it would it would off 806 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.880 the way it has post military life, being able to 807 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.079 do something I'm doing with the civilian law enforcement training. 808 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.559 So again, yeah, it's just kind of funny looking back, 809 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.319 you know, the you know, twenty plus years, all the 810 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:12.279 lessons learned, just kind of how I where I got 811 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.440 to where I'm at today, and it's all just kind 812 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:15.519 of the cards is fill in. 813 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.319 Place, you know, one one by one over over the years. 814 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.039 So other than the CQB, what other kinds of training 815 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.160 do you go through in Green platoon as you're kind 816 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.960 of getting spun up for you know the top level. 817 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.200 Yeah, so you're doing you're doing you know, integration stuff 818 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.880 with the the one sixtieth you know, the helicopter you know, 819 00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:37.039 squad of the one sixtieth Special Operations Aviation Regiment. So 820 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.519 again you talk about guys that are the top of 821 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.079 their their tradecraft right there. 822 00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.039 The guys are absolutely phenomenal, from. 823 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.200 Forty seven pilots to the you know the Hawks, the 824 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.039 little birds, you know, to mention all the adapts, the 825 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.079 direct action penetrators, you know crew for the Blackhawks rigged 826 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.960 as gunships and also the a's the AH six is. 827 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.640 So doing a lot a lot of integration stuff with 828 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.119 them on certain aspects, and then you're doing quite a 829 00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.960 bit of a jumping skydiving with certain like military freefall profiles. 830 00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:08.559 So against I say probably besides the CV portion jumping, 831 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.599 we usually get a couple of guys per class as 832 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.800 well that cannot meet the standards and have to either 833 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.360 get recycled through or they they go back to their 834 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.519 you know, their original command, you know, within the sealed 835 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:19.480 teams they came from. 836 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:21.840 What do you think it is that gets them on 837 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:22.840 the free fall course? 838 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.039 Usually it's zing out the exits. And I mean I've 839 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:28.280 told this guys before too. I had a fairly healthy 840 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.559 fear of jumping, like one of the biggest I guess 841 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.360 failures if you want to talk about, you know, I 842 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:35.079 wouldmit during my career, I went to O Tai Lake's 843 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.199 military free fall school that the Navy put on and 844 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:39.079 I failed out of it. 845 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:40.559 So I was ze in the exit. 846 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.639 So and that was definitely in the back of my mind, 847 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.760 you know, going through our green team the selection course 848 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.239 when we were doing our uh are jumping there. 849 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.000 But again it is just and I. 850 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.519 Think I hopefully I was able to help a few 851 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.360 guys that were struggling potentially as well. 852 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:54.280 Throughout the years. 853 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.639 It wasn't until I truly understood the relative wind and 854 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.000 how you're exiting the aircraft, whether it's a side door 855 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.039 or a ramp, and either you're symmetrical or you not, 856 00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:04.519 and how you like an arch you know, I can 857 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.360 hit the relative wind is what really kind of like 858 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:08.880 it just it just all clicked for me at one 859 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:10.800 point in time. So again I was still you know, 860 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.960 struggled a little bit, do you know, during a selection 861 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:14.960 course for the command not doing the jumping stuff. But 862 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:16.840 I was able to end up going making it through. 863 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:18.519 But it wasn't until I got to the squadron and 864 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.079 start doing a lot of jumping to where I was like, okay, 865 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.760 it all it's all starting to make sense now as well, 866 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.480 and even more so when I went to like freefall 867 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.039 jump Master school and definitely kind of like tied everything 868 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:29.679 in together at me. 869 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.440 And so when I was getting ready to turn. 870 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:33.960 Over my team with the incoming team leader actually one 871 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.880 of my guys, you know, it was really awesome dude 872 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:36.760 I had a lot of respect for. 873 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:37.960 But I kind of. 874 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.039 Recommended that to him because he was he was you know, 875 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.440 he was proficient at jumping, but you can just tell 876 00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.320 he just was not as confident as I would like 877 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.159 to see him, you know and be. And then so 878 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:48.840 I kind of suggested that to him and say, hey, man, 879 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.400 I would really I would really go, you know, recommend 880 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.039 you go through military you know, the freefall GM at 881 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:55.920 some point in time jump master school. 882 00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.039 The Command puts on just because I think it will 883 00:35:59.039 --> 00:35:59.960 help tie things. 884 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:01.599 In to do a lot a lot, but you know, 885 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.679 better better for you, and you'll just be more confident jumping. 886 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.800 And He's like, and the only reason why I notice, 887 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.199 you know, I don't think you have, you know, as 888 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.000 much confidence as you could have because I was you about, 889 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:12.639 you know, six seven years prior to that. 890 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.199 So uh, hopefully, hopefully I was a semi positive. 891 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.719 Influence on him as far as that that aspect. 892 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.199 And after getting through all this training, you signed into 893 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.920 the command. Uh, now you're now you're in the big leagues. 894 00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:27.079 Man. 895 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.119 What's it like making that jump from a seal team 896 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.480 to development group? 897 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.800 And so people ask me that a lot, like what's 898 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:34.480 the difference? You know? 899 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.280 So you know, I mean Steal Team four versus you know, 900 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.320 like Team five or even you know obviously the command 901 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:39.559 you know de gu Steal Team six. 902 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:40.920 So I would. 903 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:42.880 Say this, So if you have you know, two or 904 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.800 three platoons deployment cycles underneath your belt and the you know, 905 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.280 the East and West Coast Seal teams or STV Team 906 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.880 one still Delivery Vehicle Team one, you're considered like a 907 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.119 very experienced guy, Whereas again I did my two platoons, 908 00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.519 you know, started the selection process going through a through 909 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.559 Green Team, and then I get to my you know, squadron, 910 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.559 and I spent the majority of my career out over there, 911 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:06.159 and I was a brand new guy again. 912 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.719 You know. It's just like literally I was like the 913 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:08.599 least experience. 914 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:11.159 So I just I think it's over all the experience level, 915 00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.800 just the mission set itself, and just really like the 916 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.920 for the selection process, you know, on Green Team, it's 917 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.840 just perfection is demanded, you know, and it's they have 918 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.440 so many, so many you know, just you know sets 919 00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.719 of eyes watching you, like you really can't get away 920 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:27.960 with with a whole lot, especially early on doing some 921 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.159 of the the initial readout phase of things. 922 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:31.559 So I'd say just over. 923 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:33.719 Again, it's it's it's like when I was having my 924 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.239 interview board, you know, when I was doing like my 925 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.119 screener initially to try to get orders to go, uh 926 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.719 to go to Green Team, go through the Command selection process. 927 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:44.519 I kind of like on my interview paper work, like 928 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.119 I said like, hey, like why do you want to 929 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.480 come to Command. I'm like, it's it's the natural progression 930 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.199 for strong operators to to kind of just keep keep 931 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.119 going up in that that trajectory. So again, like the 932 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:56.800 quite a few guys I know on the East and 933 00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:57.519 West Coast team is. 934 00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.119 Definitely kind of plateaued out a little bit. 935 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.519 They had the talent level, they definitely could have went 936 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.280 to the command and been very successful over there. So 937 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.519 again it's just, you know, it's it's just when one 938 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.840 big competition as far as you know, the trajectory up 939 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.840 as far as experienced level goes. And again it's just 940 00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:13.519 you know, you're you're you know, you're one of the 941 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.639 tier one units. You know you're gonna be, you know, 942 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.480 to be getting the call when things really you know, 943 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.000 when shit really hits the fan or some of the 944 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:20.679 higher profile operations happened. 945 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:23.000 And so. 946 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.000 What's it like, I mean, you've partially answered this, I think, 947 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.719 but already like, like, what's it like getting to a squadron? 948 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.039 And again, I imagine all of these guys are A 949 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.320 type personalities, like they're super dialed in, super intense all 950 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:36.719 the time. 951 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.000 What's it like hitting the ground running on a squadron? 952 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.440 So even to your point, Jack, even more as far 953 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.559 as hitting the ground running, So like I was just 954 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.639 our squadron was deployed when we when we got through 955 00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:51.679 our our selection process. So yeah, like the command master chief, 956 00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.320 he wanted us to take the holidays off, so ra 957 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.360 after the first year, we deployed overseas with a squadron. 958 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.960 So uh, again you talk about just being thrown right 959 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.760 to the fire and being like you are a Tier 960 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.960 one operator like you are, you are expected to know, 961 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:03.400 you know. 962 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:04.039 What's going on. 963 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:09.079 So it's definitely definitely you know a lot of things 964 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.880 we've you know, covered some and Green Team, but but 965 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:14.079 not to the extent with. 966 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.039 The high level of training. 967 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.119 And again just talk about the experience level you know, 968 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.480 from like you know, the troop chief, you know, the 969 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.280 team leaders on down. It's just like I've told so 970 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.639 many people this before too, Like looking back, it took 971 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.719 me a couple of years to get removed, you know, 972 00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:28.360 kind of in the in the civilian world and kind 973 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.679 of looking back and like that, the talent level that 974 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.199 that place possesses is unreal. Everything from like the operators 975 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.280 you know, like you know, the leadership, the you know, 976 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.559 even like the supporting assets you know, all the different 977 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.880 different various departments like everyone at that at that place, 978 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.119 at that command is truly at the the tip of 979 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:48.119 the spear, at the top of their game and in 980 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.400 all facets. So if you're not, you can't pull your weight. 981 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:52.159 You have to move on. 982 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.760 So all right, So tell us about gearing up for 983 00:39:58.800 --> 00:39:59.599 that first deployment. 984 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.320 Oh gosh, again, it was we went through the selection 985 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.679 process and any through and the little time you know, 986 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.119 for the holidays, and then it was it was, you know, 987 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.239 I think the second no, it was, it was, you know, 988 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.440 I guess it was a couple of days after the first. Yeah, 989 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.960 we we caught a rotator bird and and I'm over 990 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.679 there and flew over and joined our joined our squadron. 991 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.679 So it was you know, kind of what I what 992 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:25.960 I we were kind of talked about, you know, where 993 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.000 we were told, you know, what was gonna be expected 994 00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.239 of us and everything everything else. 995 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.800 So it was it was quite the experience, you know, 996 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:33.239 I mean. 997 00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.079 Definitely, you know, just you talk about just you know, 998 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.159 walking in some place where you are just you know, 999 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:40.519 you feel so small, even though you just went through 1000 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:42.159 one of you know, considered one of the hardest selection 1001 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.360 you know courses in the US military, you still feel 1002 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.440 like you don't know anything, you know, when you're there 1003 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:48.119 just because of the. 1004 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.960 Talent level of guys that are that that you're working 1005 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.320 with U. 1006 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.679 And I mean is again the big jump from the 1007 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.280 sealed teams to development group is that now you guys 1008 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.760 are charged with going after like nation level hvts as 1009 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.159 opposed to like these are the bad guys in town. 1010 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:08.840 Yeah, I say, like a lot of like the national 1011 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.840 being like one of the national mission forces. It's it 1012 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.320 just gets ups the game that much. And also the scrutiny, 1013 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.039 the scrutiny that comes with it as well. So yeah, 1014 00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:18.719 like I said, like when we were going through Green Team, 1015 00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.320 perfection was demanded, and yeah I was, you know, perfection 1016 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.360 was demanded in the squadrons, you know, to the to 1017 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.039 the highest extent for ever, from your team leader, from 1018 00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:29.079 you know, your your other senior leaders, all the way 1019 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.320 down to you know the guys that were just you 1020 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.239 know a year or two you know ahead of you 1021 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.840 as far as as you know time in the command. 1022 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:37.480 You know, you just you don't you don't let your 1023 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.760 teammates down. Like when I talk about some of the 1024 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.519 leadership and team building aspects, you know, I covered in 1025 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.840 the civilian world and some of the domestic law enforcement 1026 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.719 world too. But I talk about peer pressure, peer pressure 1027 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.039 being the ultimate double edged sword, you know, like where 1028 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.719 you had guys that were you know, like we're negative 1029 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.639 peer pressure completely I saw like just ruined, derailed, you know, 1030 00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.840 completely derailed careers you know before that matter. But then 1031 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.239 positive peer pressure like okay, you can accomplish extraordinary feats 1032 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.639 just because you don't want to let your teammates down. 1033 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.159 So again, like Doug about the ultimate ultimate double edged sword. Yeah, 1034 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:11.559 or peer pressure, it could. 1035 00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.199 Be a be a hell of a hell of a 1036 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:14.920 positive or an extreme negative. 1037 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.239 Yeah, there's the pressure, but there's also the aspect of 1038 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.599 like you're my boy, Blue, you got this, you. 1039 00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.519 Know exactly you don't you don't want to let your 1040 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:24.280 teammates down. 1041 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.920 Yeah. 1042 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.719 Can you say where you went on that first trip? 1043 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:31.760 It was an East East East Afghanistan. It was one 1044 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:34.000 of the one of the strike forces over there. So 1045 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.559 with the with with the squadron, I was. 1046 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:41.480 In cool and from that timeframe, like now that you're 1047 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.360 in the big leagues, any missions that kind of like 1048 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.519 jump out at you that were interesting or noteworthy. 1049 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.000 Yeah, So we did several diployments to Afghanistan. The roys 1050 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.000 could be spicy at a moment's notice. But for me, 1051 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.719 I was I was very fortunate if I was in 1052 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.880 the troop that conducted the Justin Bichannan hostage rescue raid 1053 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.320 in Somalia in January of twenty two Will though, again 1054 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.280 it was just just how it worked out with the rotation. Again, 1055 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.079 very very fortunate. Everything went very well that night. It 1056 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.880 could not have gone near nearly as well as it did. 1057 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.039 And uh, I'm just out of respect for the for 1058 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.039 the guys you know, still going in harm's way doing 1059 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:14.400 the job. 1060 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.079 I really don't like to cover very you know, you. 1061 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.599 Know, the specifics of the operation, but I do like 1062 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:21.280 to talk about a lot of the lessons learned. I'll 1063 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.440 do that a lot when I'm teaching in the Law Enforcements, 1064 00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:25.360 but I'll just close a little more in a closed, 1065 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.760 closed environment to really kind of hit home some of 1066 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.800 the points. But I always like to talk about you know, 1067 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.199 I'm doing my initial PowerPoint slide for some of the 1068 00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.719 c CB courses I teach, is you know the definition 1069 00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:36.559 of advanced tactics. 1070 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:37.840 We heard that in Green Team all the time. 1071 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.679 All advanced tactics are is knowing the basics, knowing when 1072 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.199 it makes sense to break the rules and then be 1073 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.559 able to articulate why you broke those rules. 1074 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:48.119 So it was definitely like. 1075 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.000 That operation really highlighted because I'll cover again without without 1076 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.199 saying too much. You know, even though we had you know, 1077 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.440 the most state of the art military aircraft, you know, 1078 00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.159 Werconstance aircraft overhead, we have the latest and greatest of 1079 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.440 weapons systems optics mbgs. 1080 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:03.880 The wrecked guys had thermals. 1081 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:05.960 But even though we had all that, the tactic we 1082 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.760 used to clear that objective and save those two hostages 1083 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:11.079 was one of the most basic tactics at every infantry 1084 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:13.800 soldier is taught at a young age and every small 1085 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.440 unit you know, special operations tactician is taught at a 1086 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.480 young age with some of the kind of the small 1087 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:22.599 unit tactics we work on. So that always mentioned when 1088 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.679 I'm teaching the courses. As far as I hate, never 1089 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.400 interestimate the importance that tactical team leader position. Like when 1090 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.320 when things went very kinetic, you know, very dynamic, very quick, 1091 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.119 I still remember hearing our my true chief's voice in 1092 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:37.000 my ear, like cool, calm collected saying like hey target 1093 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.199 ID damn it, guys, target I d just because your buddy, 1094 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.199 shooting doesn't mean needed to be shooting. So again we 1095 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:42.679 got to count, you know, we got to own every 1096 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.840 round we send down range because we had two innocents, 1097 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.440 two hostages we were saving. And then also kind of 1098 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.320 talk about the the personal SOPs always talk about, you know, 1099 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:56.599 with the courses you know, personal standard operating procedures, they 1100 00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.280 never miss an opportunity to learn from either your mistake 1101 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:00.960 or somebody else's mistake, whether it's. 1102 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.760 A real world operation, training, you name it. 1103 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.000 So, uh, my biggest personal lesson learned personal standard operating 1104 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.119 procedure lessons learned from that one is I never left 1105 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.039 the wire from that point forward without some sort of 1106 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.400 a handheld thermal because we had zero loom. We had 1107 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.760 a thick cloud cover rolled in right the last you know, 1108 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:17.480 you know, like from our from a r p our 1109 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.800 operational rally point, and so we we pretty much you know, 1110 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.400 I had to uh you know, we're you know, kind 1111 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.159 of fanned out in a certain you know formation where 1112 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.719 we knew the pilots were sorry pirates holding the two 1113 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.199 hostages were roughly in the same type of a formation. 1114 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.119 So yeah, the REKI guys were with either their. 1115 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.159 Handheld thermals or their fusion goggles or night vision and 1116 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.119 you know thermal combined you know goggles, you know capable. Uh, 1117 00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.280 they were kind of calling out heat sources, you know, 1118 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.719 with the rough direction of travel and rough distance. But 1119 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.199 it was it was fairly helpless feeling not really being 1120 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:51.480 able to see even like we're we're we're heat segnisures 1121 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.599 right out there. So that was my biggest lesson learned 1122 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.760 on that one is I definitely wanted to from that 1123 00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.320 point forward, I v left the wire without a handheld thermal. 1124 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.559 And if they dividing because it was because it was 1125 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.880 so foggy you couldn't see anything under night did the again. 1126 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.199 It was zero loom cloud covered rolled in and there's 1127 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.559 a ampient light in the country of Smali, in the 1128 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.039 in the in the in the bush, you know, in 1129 00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:13.400 the middle of nowhere, and just like the vegetation was 1130 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.599 super thick. So again even like looking just underneath your mvgs, 1131 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:18.760 looking at your buddy to your left and to your right, 1132 00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.559 you know, or even in the formation, uh, you couldn't. 1133 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.199 You could see like the glow from them and maybe 1134 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:24.719 a little bit of an outline, but you'd have to 1135 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.800 shine your laser illuminator to really be able to see them. 1136 00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:29.199 So really I couldn't, you know, most of us could not. 1137 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.119 Tell at all, and you know where roughly even the 1138 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.519 you know, heat signatures were coming, you know from distance 1139 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.599 wise and rough location unless you had a thermal capability 1140 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.599 either built in your mvgs or like a little handheld thermal. 1141 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.199 And so you guys pulled Jessica Buchanan and there was 1142 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:45.960 a European national. 1143 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.679 He has a Danish guy out, Paul fisted. Yeah, they 1144 00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.000 were working for a danishd mining company. When uh, when 1145 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.000 when they were taking hostage. 1146 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.360 And I got to ask, like, what's that moment like 1147 00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:01.679 when you repatriate an American and a friendly national hostage. 1148 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.000 I always think of like you know, the Kurt Muse 1149 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.440 rescue in Panama, where like all of a sudden, there's 1150 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.840 these soldiers there pulling you out and saying we're American soldiers, 1151 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:10.880 We're here to bring you home. 1152 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.639 Like that's got to be a good feeling. 1153 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.360 Oh no, absolutely. It was definitely the highlight of all 1154 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.119 our careers, hands down. And we were again we just 1155 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:20.000 you know, she ex filled her and the other the 1156 00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.760 Danish citizen Paul, They you know took one of the 1157 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.320 first heilos out and we didn't you know, didn't hear 1158 00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.360 anything else from her for you know, several years. But 1159 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.599 then after the fact, she end up coming back to 1160 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.440 the command and we were able to host her and 1161 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.519 kind of like have a big, big debrief. 1162 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.519 It tied in a lot of like our questions we have. 1163 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.679 Also kind of her you know, her question she had 1164 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.599 once we were able to tie the stories together. So 1165 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:44.920 I thought that was very beneficial and like just such 1166 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.920 a sweet girl, such a sweet gal. So that's really cool. Yeah, 1167 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.199 just you know, just a wonderful, wonderful human being. 1168 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.440 And I bet it also offered some closure to that 1169 00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:54.920 event for everyone involved. 1170 00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.519 Yes, absolutely, Like again, initially we did have like little 1171 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.639 meat and greet in one of our commander's conference rooms, 1172 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.280 and uh, I mean she immediately like she was gonna 1173 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.639 like start talking to begin with, and she completely just 1174 00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:08.639 broke down and started crying and like the thing that 1175 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:10.760 she was able to get, you know, word, she was 1176 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.639 able to get out, you know, because we like took 1177 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.760 her to the memorial wall that she saw the pictures 1178 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.079 of guys that have been been killed throughout the years 1179 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.320 you know, at the Command and so yeah, she kind 1180 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:20.960 of like we were barely able to hear her get 1181 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.519 it out, the words out. She's like, I couldn't live 1182 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.159 with myself if I would have seen one of you, 1183 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.239 one of your photos up there on that memorial wall. 1184 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.400 So again we totally hey, it didn't did not work 1185 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.239 out that way, you know. 1186 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.880 So you know, yeah, so hey, everything worked out fine. 1187 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:34.719 We're all here and let's you know it was. 1188 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.880 We also reiterated to her the day it was all 1189 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.360 the highlight of all of our careers. So we were 1190 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.239 more than happy and more than willing to go, you know, 1191 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.679 put ourselves in harm's way to bring you back home, Jessica. 1192 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.159 So I think I definitely made her feel feel pretty 1193 00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:49.920 good about about things. 1194 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.920 So I think she wrote a book about her experience, 1195 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:55.840 and I have not read it, to tell you the truth. 1196 00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:59.920 Yeah, I needed to read it as well. Uh still too. Yeah, 1197 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.679 it's called impossible odds. So I watched the sixty minute 1198 00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:07.400 interview she she's done several times, or she did several times. 1199 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:11.079 It was a pretty pretty good interview. Folks have not 1200 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:12.719 seen that yet. So just if you just. 1201 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.840 Googled Jessica Buchannan and Hassa's rescue sixty minutes and it'll 1202 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.039 pop right up on YouTube. 1203 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.519 I'll check it out. That is a super cool story. 1204 00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.519 I got it man, that's awesome. I thank you. And 1205 00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:28.239 after that, what was kind of like the next step 1206 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.920 in your career as an operator at this point. 1207 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.239 So right after the deployed to Afghanistan again later on 1208 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.599 that that year, after we did the Hassa's rescue for Jessica. 1209 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:44.000 But then after that actually was for a pre team leader. 1210 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.159 I did a little a cup of professional development. I 1211 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.119 went to our Clandestine Operations squadron, so it's a good 1212 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.800 experience doing some of the unilatal surveillance stuff we were doing. 1213 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.320 Then went back to the squadron I was a member 1214 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.559 of before and did my you know rotations at assistant 1215 00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.320 team leader and team leader, and then I finished my 1216 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.840 career off back at our clandestine operation squadron. 1217 00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:03.880 So again I'm. 1218 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.519 Looking back, I really cannot you know, I really can't 1219 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:08.280 ask for too much more as far as you know, 1220 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.679 just being able to uh you know, you know, just 1221 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.119 getting the various experience of attitudes again talk about everything, 1222 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.159 how it's all comes full circle. The uh sevil uh 1223 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.559 from our clandestine Clandestine Operation Squadron, I do quite a 1224 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.360 bit of a like surveillance training for domestic law enforcement. 1225 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.199 So again between like the tactical training shooting something, they 1226 00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.280 are like kind of a small unit, you know, small team, 1227 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.960 you know, tactics courses and also the surveillance. It keeps 1228 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.320 the schedule pretty full. And one of the gals is 1229 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.119 one of our femail operators at the pro UH at 1230 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.440 the at the our Clandestine Operation Squadron, is a good 1231 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:40.239 friend of mine, Jackie. 1232 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.679 She runs a Feenda Defense group. We we uh we 1233 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:43.880 you know. 1234 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.800 Team up a lot to to uh host you know, 1235 00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.519 and put on some of these surveillance for domestic law 1236 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:53.559 enforcement blocks. So again, I know, initially like Jackie was 1237 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.199 gonna try, I thought, Jackie, and now we are gonna be 1238 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.400 co located, We're gonna be able to both hoping here together. 1239 00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.320 But I can pleatly get my dates mixed up. 1240 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.239 And yeah, she's back in California, but we are going 1241 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.920 to be linking up again coming up in the Denver 1242 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.280 area here in July for several weeks for some training 1243 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.119 we're putting on. So yeah, definitely recommend her guys to 1244 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.559 go check out a Feene Defence group on Instagram and 1245 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.400 then she's got a website. It's you know, pretty pretty 1246 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.719 well put together too. So she's an awesome gal. And 1247 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.159 when we're doing our introductions, I always bring it up, 1248 00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:20.800 you know, I kind of say my piece as far 1249 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:22.440 as background is, and I said, he, I don't want 1250 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.280 to steal Jackie's thunder, but who and here has seen 1251 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.920 The Lion this series and usually about half to two 1252 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.679 thirds of the you know, the class, you know, tending raises, 1253 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.880 you know, their hands like okay, Like Jackie. 1254 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:33.760 Is your real life version of the Lion? 1255 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.079 Is she was in one of three programs that that 1256 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.679 you know, that that series was written based off of, 1257 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:41.880 so that that always gets guys his attention right away, 1258 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:43.599 you know, when they're like, oh gosh, yeah this guy, 1259 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.280 this gual, here's the real, the real deal. So yeah, 1260 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.920 just Jackie is an awesome, awesome gal. And yeah, it's 1261 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.000 it's it's a pleasure to work and it was. It 1262 00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.039 was good to work with her while we're on active 1263 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.840 duty together, and it's you know, just as good, if 1264 00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.599 not better, working in the civilian world together. 1265 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.840 Yeah, put us in touch and would be more than 1266 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.519 happy to have Jackie on this show one. 1267 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.199 Day Okay, absolutely, I highly recommend it. Yeah, Jackie is. 1268 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.960 Jackie is awesome. Jackie is I always I always joke 1269 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:09.920 with guys as well. 1270 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.719 So for can I compare Jackie you know, like you 1271 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.000 again being being a female and like pretty much a 1272 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.920 man's world. You know, she's definitely definitely an alcohol in herself, 1273 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.360 but as far as as trustworthy and. 1274 00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.199 Uh you just you know, you know, a team player 1275 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:23.599 she is. 1276 00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:26.760 So I always can make the comparison, you know when uh, 1277 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.039 you know you're you're a small, you know, tight knit 1278 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.960 group of a group of friends. I use the u 1279 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.920 that movie The Town with Ben Affleck and Jeremy Renner 1280 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.199 when they're h when he goes into when Ben Affleck 1281 00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.760 goes into you know, the placer's staying at and talks 1282 00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.599 with you know, Jeremy Renner's character and he's just like, hey, like, 1283 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:44.840 I need your help. You know, you can't ask any questions. 1284 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.360 You know, we're gonna hurt some people. And he says, 1285 00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:49.280 you know your your your car are mine? You know? 1286 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:50.920 Or who or whose car are we taking that. 1287 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.400 Jackie is in that same category, like Jackie, I need 1288 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:53.800 your help. 1289 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:55.000 You know, we gotta go do some stuff. 1290 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.360 It's a little bit questionable, and she would be like, 1291 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.199 all right, be taking your trucker minds, right. So she's 1292 00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.840 definitely definitely in the club. You know, she's definitely within 1293 00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:04.760 the sister within the brotherhood. 1294 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:04.840 That is for sure. 1295 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.639 Uh So you said you did some time as assistant 1296 00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:09.920 team leader and then team leader. 1297 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.519 Yeah, so in the squadron, I spent you know, right, 1298 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:16.960 quite a not quite a decade and uh overall, so yeah. 1299 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.159 Again being an assistant team leader. 1300 00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:19.599 After being out of the loop for a little bit 1301 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.519 and our Clandestine Operation Squadron, it's it was fairly easy 1302 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.039 to come back, and it just again is how funny 1303 00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.400 how things work out, Like I keep mentioning, so that 1304 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.039 when I came back, the the assault squadrons were actually 1305 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.679 taken over some of the uh you know, unilateral surveillance 1306 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.400 mission and our Clandestine Operation Squadron had been doing. So 1307 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.039 my troop was designated as the you know, the sensitive 1308 00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:43.800 Activity support activities you know, you know, clandestine you know, 1309 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:47.079 capable assault troop. So I was able to help out 1310 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.320 a lot, you know, with uh, with some of the 1311 00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:52.079 the transition just coming from coming from that world and 1312 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.039 then then deploying the same spot, you know, that with 1313 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.000 a with my Assault Squadron that I just deployed the 1314 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.599 previous cycle with with our Clandestine Operation Squadron. 1315 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.480 That's a lot of capability in one troop, isn't it 1316 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.760 to have guys that can free fall in and clear 1317 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.360 an airplane if need be. But also he can do 1318 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.760 all this sort of quaint DestinE surveillance work. 1319 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:12.519 Yeah. 1320 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.320 So I won't mention his name because he likes to 1321 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.119 keep a very low profile with so many stuff he's 1322 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.920 still doing post military life. But one of the most 1323 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.920 well respected operators lace in my time. I was there 1324 00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:25.280 set said it pretty good one time. You know, he 1325 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:26.840 was a team leader and one of the squadrons and 1326 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:29.199 went to our Clandestine Operation Squadron and then went back 1327 00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.760 as a troop chief for that same Assault squad and 1328 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.840 then finished his career retired out of the clandestin Operation Squadron. 1329 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.000 But give the guys, you know, they would say like, oh, 1330 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:38.400 it's an essay, you know, it's you know, it's a 1331 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:39.639 uniltal surveillance troop. 1332 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:41.840 You know, you know, you know, sensitive activities troop. 1333 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:44.480 But then he's just like, no, no, no, it's an 1334 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.320 assault troop with a sensitive activities capability, Like there's a difference, 1335 00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.360 you know, so it's pretty much all encompassing, so definitely 1336 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:52.480 a little bit different than just a. 1337 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:54.960 Quote unquote sensitive activities troop. 1338 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:59.079 So no, it's an assault troop with sensitive activities capabilities. 1339 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:03.880 Yeah, and it's also interesting to have like the sort 1340 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:08.119 of continuum of targeting kind of encompassed and all encompassed 1341 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.000 in one organization like that that you guys can probably 1342 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.199 do the intelligence gathering, the mission planning, and then the 1343 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.000 execution of the mission itself if you were called upon 1344 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:17.440 to do that. 1345 00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:18.360 Yep. 1346 00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:20.280 So yeah, we would like the kind of the fine 1347 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.760 fixed Phoenix exploit analyze and uh even some of the 1348 00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:26.079 deployment cycles before that, and we were doing some of 1349 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:28.199 like the more of the remote outstations with some of 1350 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:32.400 our you know, inner agency counterparts as well doing like 1351 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:34.639 an assistant team leader you know, you know then also 1352 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.159 the team leader during those rotations where I mean you're 1353 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.280 the senior military guy you know, on the on the 1354 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.960 ground on some of these operations as the team leader, 1355 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.159 and really from like the whole aspect as far as 1356 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.719 professional development, you know, you couldn't ask for anything more 1357 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.519 because you've understood like the targeting aspect of things. You 1358 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.719 know how you actually you know, target packages even get 1359 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.280 brought up you know from like Intel reports and various locations, 1360 00:55:56.360 --> 00:56:00.280 you know, various even assets if you will, you know, 1361 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.880 you know technical, you know physical, you know, uh, you know, 1362 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.159 human intelligence, you name it. But you really learned the uh, 1363 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.800 the whole targeting process from like Okay, we have a 1364 00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.559 bad individual we're going after. Okay, we start to build 1365 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.280 a pattern of life on him, you know, and then 1366 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.599 from there package you know, the you know, the con 1367 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.239 op concept of operations goes up and you're you're doing. 1368 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.599 All that you know is the guys are helping you 1369 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.719 with it. You know, your Intel analyst plays a very big, 1370 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.079 very big role and other uh other you know, specialized 1371 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:29.920 positions within the small team you're working with. But I 1372 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.920 mean you talk about like this the ultimate professional development. 1373 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.639 I mean, you understand the whole process pre damn good 1374 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:37.679 or you have to understand it or you're not gonna 1375 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:38.960 ever gonna get out the get out the door to 1376 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.400 go to the ox if you how the process works. 1377 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:47.280 And then becoming a team leader, I mean, what's that experience, like, uh, 1378 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:48.039 you're in charge? 1379 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.400 Right? Yeah? No, definitely, uh definitely the highlight of my career, 1380 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:52.480 you know overall. 1381 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.199 So I was I was in our troop chief position 1382 00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:58.320 for a clandestine operations squadron for a bit as well too. Again, 1383 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.519 it just did that that that would have been, you know, 1384 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.480 probably the highlight of my career, but just unfortunately it 1385 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:05.519 was learning like the COVID timeframe, and then it kind 1386 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.079 of had like some stuff on the personal side. I 1387 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.840 decided to retire, so didn't didn't get to do nearly 1388 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:12.760 as much real world operationally. 1389 00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:14.079 I was hoping in that position. 1390 00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:16.239 But but as far as you know, being like an a 1391 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.159 team leader of an assault team, you know, it's just 1392 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.639 it's again like talk about that the talent of that place, 1393 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:23.760 like just looking like every one of my guys you know, 1394 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:25.480 from like I was at Echo one down to like 1395 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:27.559 my my Echo seven, you know, at number seven. So 1396 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.159 I just every single dude just was just a phenomenal 1397 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:34.800 you know, physical specimen number one, number two. Just the 1398 00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.679 the talent you know, overall, like whether it's like for CQB, shooting, jumping, 1399 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.039 you name it, I mean you it's they say, you know, 1400 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.159 you know, team leaders should only have to make you know, 1401 00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.719 at the command like slight course corrections here and there, 1402 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:48.639 you know, and that's that's one hundred percent. 1403 00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:49.760 Was my my case as well. 1404 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:51.880 So I know some guys have to deal with some 1405 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.679 problem children that U that causes more h you know, 1406 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.360 more effort and uh you know kind of uh you know, 1407 00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.199 have more of a more of a negative light. But 1408 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:01.519 you know, it's it's for me at least, I couldn't 1409 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:02.599 ask for any better guys. 1410 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:04.599 You know that work and work I worked with and 1411 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:05.000 when I. 1412 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.679 Was a team leader, so even as the assistant team leader, 1413 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.280 I got you know, quit you know, I was one 1414 00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:12.480 of this Uh. I think the senior number two is 1415 00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.360 senior assistant team leader in the squadron for one full rotation. 1416 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:18.320 So again it was you know, guys would come to 1417 00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:19.800 me for a lot. I think, you know, hopefully I 1418 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:23.119 was a positive influence to them. And uh uh. 1419 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.079 Again it's just you know, just still still to this day, 1420 00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:28.840 just just blows me away, just the talent of that place. 1421 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:29.400 Still. 1422 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.320 Yeah, they even I was fortunate enough to uh just 1423 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:33.159 pass January. 1424 00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:34.800 One of the cities I'm in quite a bit. 1425 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.280 My old squadron was doing an urban training event there 1426 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:38.480 and I was I got to see a lot of 1427 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.519 guys and were never mind you guys when I was 1428 00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:42.519 an you know, assistant team leader and team leader that 1429 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.960 they are now team leaders are assistant team leaders running 1430 00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:45.239 the show. 1431 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.239 So's that was just phenomenal to see. 1432 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.039 So and so you finished your career in the Clindestine squadron. 1433 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.800 I know that stuff's like pretty hush, but what what 1434 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:56.079 are you allowed to say about that? 1435 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.920 I just it was our biggest miss set, depending on 1436 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.280 where we were at, was like being able to unilaterally 1437 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:08.360 conduct a conduct surveillance where it's physical technical you know, 1438 00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.599 using other uh, other assets, other electronic means. That was 1439 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:14.920 the biggest thing that our troops specifically, and there was 1440 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.280 other troops that have other other mission sets I won't 1441 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.519 go into, but for ours specifically, it was the ability 1442 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:24.480 to basically you know, target you know, underneath the uh 1443 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.159 you know kind of a you know, the you know, 1444 00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:29.000 the the cover of something you know, other completely like 1445 00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:33.199 non you know, non uh you know action arm type 1446 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:36.719 of a military you know, element operation where we're referred 1447 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.119 to as But it was it was really just like 1448 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.239 the fine fix aspect of things is what we really 1449 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:43.079 concentrated on. 1450 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:48.039 Yeah, and then talk to us a little bit about retirement, Like, 1451 00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.880 you must have had some moment in your career of 1452 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.360 like surrealism. You know that you went from being the 1453 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:56.880 twelve year old kid reading rogue warrior to being a 1454 00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:59.599 team leader and then you know, master chief, troop chief. 1455 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.760 Pretty wild experience. How did retirement take place for you? 1456 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:06.800 When did that moment come where you're like, you know what, 1457 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:08.320 that's I'm ready to move on. 1458 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:10.400 Yeah, well I was a senior chief at a time. 1459 01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:14.239 It's actually doing a big surveillance block. But uh, without 1460 01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.639 going into like actual specifics, I just I just got 1461 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:18.199 to the point where I was, I was on the 1462 01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.199 fence say hey, like I really need to figure out, Hey, 1463 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.159 am I going to be retiring because I was coming 1464 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.400 up on our I was, I was less than inside 1465 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:26.880 of the year from hitting the twenty year mark. 1466 01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.760 I was like nineteen years in change. 1467 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.320 And uh it was actually, uh, you know where we 1468 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.960 live out now majority of the time in Dallas, Texas. 1469 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.199 We were on a work trip out there of all places, 1470 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:38.599 and just kind of like it. 1471 01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:39.960 Just you know, all came to me. 1472 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:40.159 You know. 1473 01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:41.960 At once I told my wife, I was like, hey, 1474 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.159 you know, I know you said I had to get 1475 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:43.840 there on my own. 1476 01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:47.079 Whenever I was going to you know, retire what I 1477 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:47.760 just got there. 1478 01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.119 So yeah, like after that trip, when I came back 1479 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.599 the following week, I put in my retirement paperwork and 1480 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:57.360 then still had the position for like several more months. 1481 01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:59.639 That's why they were doing some maning, shuffling around and 1482 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.039 everything else. But I was starting my uh my prep 1483 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:04.039 to uh to retire at that point, and it was 1484 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:04.800 a long process. 1485 01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:05.559 So I'm sure you. 1486 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.719 Saw it as well too, where you're you know, separating 1487 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.400 out retiring for for everybody, it is it is definitely 1488 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.320 not an overnight You're you're not just giving your two 1489 01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:14.880 weeks notice and then walking out the door like you 1490 01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.679 are in the civilian world potentially so. But yeah, once 1491 01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:19.599 I was, once I got there, I was. I was 1492 01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:21.719 so ready I could have walked out that day, honestly. 1493 01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:24.679 So except a hell of a ride, you know, looking back, 1494 01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.800 you know, when you traded my experiences for anything. But 1495 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.800 they say, when you're done, you're done, and you'll know 1496 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:32.719 you when you're done. So I like, I've had several 1497 01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:35.639 buddies since then, you know, getting ready to retire, you know, 1498 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.000 or you know, getting really you know, kind of like 1499 01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.119 on short final they said like, like, dude, me, we 1500 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.679 didn't realize what you were saying, you know initially when 1501 01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:44.079 you said, like, hey, when you're done, you're done, but 1502 01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:46.400 like we definitely do now. So I know, again, I 1503 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:49.079 hope like get them some good advice during their transition period. 1504 01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.239 It's really important, isn't it, to like know when you 1505 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.280 hit that point, to identify. 1506 01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.119 That, because again, like there's there's definitely guys that I 1507 01:01:57.320 --> 01:01:59.199 you know, still have you know, crazy amount of respect 1508 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.639 for that were burn out. They should have retired years earlier, 1509 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:04.800 but they're just like it kind of I wouldn't say, 1510 01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:06.639 you know, you can never get comfortable at that place, 1511 01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.440 But at the same time, I think guys were just, 1512 01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:10.960 you know, they were a point where like, okay, I 1513 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:12.920 can pretty much hit the cruise control and like kind 1514 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:14.440 of ride this for a little bit longer, even though 1515 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.840 I'm you know, they're not really really all that happy, 1516 01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:18.679 you know, they they're they're ready to move on. But 1517 01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.960 there is again I wouldn't use the word afraid, but 1518 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.159 I think there's just a lot of apprehension with guys 1519 01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.440 getting out when they back it out, especially when they 1520 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:27.280 have twenty plus years then who. 1521 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:28.960 Hell wants to say I don't want to be on 1522 01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:29.800 the team anymore. 1523 01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:32.199 I mean, you actually. 1524 01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:35.519 Where you just you lose that fire in the gut, 1525 01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:37.239 which I really that was really for me. I was 1526 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:38.960 just like, hey, man, like the juice is no longer 1527 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.079 worth to squeeze. I feel like I was going one 1528 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:43.400 hundred and twenty miles an hour my entire career. I'm 1529 01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:44.960 just kind of like, you know, when I got to 1530 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.079 the point, I was like, well, you know, I think 1531 01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:48.519 I'm good. I think I'm ready to move on and 1532 01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:49.920 try something else in life. 1533 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:54.519 That's cool. So you retire and tell us about post 1534 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:56.639 military life. I mean kind of what are those first 1535 01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:58.280 couple of years like after retirement. 1536 01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:01.920 Yeah, so I retire officially in October first of twenty 1537 01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:04.760 twenty two. But I said this before when folks have asked, 1538 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.039 and I'll say it again, like from my experience when 1539 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.320 I'm talking to a lot of other guys, I think 1540 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:12.159 my transition the last you know, X amount of months 1541 01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:14.320 I was in and then transition in the civilian world 1542 01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.639 was one of the smoothest and easiest really I possibly 1543 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:21.519 could have could have had again again, we were I 1544 01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:23.760 was fortunateenough to do quite a few urban training events 1545 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:25.639 where we would be hosted by you know, local state 1546 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:28.199 and federal law enforcement teams throughout the area. So we'd 1547 01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.039 always been trying to give back either host them at 1548 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:31.880 the command you know they'd come out and train, or 1549 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:34.599 even on location we would provide you know, training for 1550 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:36.039 them depending on what they want to work on, whether 1551 01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.000 it's shooting, CQB, you know, you name it. So I 1552 01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:40.920 kind of had been putting out a little bit of feelers, 1553 01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:43.280 you know, months prior to when I was going to 1554 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.880 be dropping my you know, had to make the decision. 1555 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:49.199 And again this happened to be in Dallas when I 1556 01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:51.719 finally you know, made that made that decision. And one 1557 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:55.119 of the good buddy of mine, he's worried for Garland PD. 1558 01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:58.320 He's one of the SWAT or the lieutenant over Swatt 1559 01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.559 and also he's the current president of the tech Astachable 1560 01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:03.400 Police Officers Association. I told him I was going to 1561 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.639 be dropping my retirement paperwork. When I got back, I 1562 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:07.239 was ready to move on the first thing he said 1563 01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:08.920 to me. He's like him, man, let me know when 1564 01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:10.599 you just want to start teaching for us, you know, 1565 01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:12.119 we'll get you on the on the books as soon 1566 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:14.519 as as soon as you're ready. So I was able 1567 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.239 to get get I started my I'd already had the 1568 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.639 idea for my company, the name, you know, everything else 1569 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:21.519 I wanted to be doing, you know, when I was 1570 01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:25.039 doing my undergraduate you know program for my online degree 1571 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.920 with entrepreneurship through American Military University, but really wasn't going 1572 01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:31.679 to like obviously you know, launch it until I knew like, okay, 1573 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:33.079 this is how much time I had left in the 1574 01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:36.920 military and going from there, so I, you know, submit 1575 01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:40.039 him in Texas. My articles of formation literally like a 1576 01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:41.719 couple I think a day or two after I got 1577 01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:44.679 my UH, I got my retirement paperwork approved back from 1578 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:46.239 Big Navy, so I knew, like this is gonna be 1579 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.519 my last day. And I really didn't do a whole 1580 01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:51.960 lot with it for several months, but is after I 1581 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.239 want to say, April May ish timeframe of twenty twenty two, 1582 01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:57.920 I put in for like the outside employment through the 1583 01:04:57.920 --> 01:04:59.400 command you know it. So again, if you're on you know, 1584 01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:03.000 just burning leave, there's still some employment restrictions where you're 1585 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:04.440 able to do quite a bit of stuff. You just 1586 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:06.440 have to ask permission for it ahead of time. So 1587 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.400 I was able to actually start working for myself and 1588 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:10.960 my company just burn, like excess termal leave. I didn't 1589 01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:13.559 do like the skill bridge, none of the transition programs. 1590 01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:16.039 Once I had all my VA stuff squared away and 1591 01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:18.400 everything else, you know, I even like started working for 1592 01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:21.519 myself even before I had my retirement ceremony, had that 1593 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.599 in June of twenty twenty two, and then like literally 1594 01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:26.800 just burning, you know, the excess leave I had at 1595 01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:28.480 that point in time, just coming a little bit here 1596 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:30.800 and there in between work trips I had lined up. 1597 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:33.719 So so many people told me, it's like, hey, it's 1598 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:34.320 some big change. 1599 01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:36.639 You know you did you know over twenty years in the. 1600 01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.960 Military, you know, right out of high school, Like you 1601 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:40.800 need to take some time off, you know, like six 1602 01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:42.960 months to a year, maybe do a little work here 1603 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.199 and there, you know, and and. 1604 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:46.440 Really kind of figure out what you're gonna do. 1605 01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:46.679 Yeah. 1606 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:48.559 I didn't listen to any of that shit. So I 1607 01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:49.960 literally got my retirement. 1608 01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.639 I took my wife into the command for one last 1609 01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:55.559 time on September thirtieth of twenty twenty two, got her 1610 01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:57.400 a dependent you know, retiree ID. 1611 01:05:57.519 --> 01:05:58.639 I had to get rid of. I had to get 1612 01:05:58.719 --> 01:05:59.079 rid out of. 1613 01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:02.480 Several programs in the Clandestin Operation squad and I was 1614 01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.519 in and then turning my access badge, got my d 1615 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:07.599 D two fourteen, and then went and got my military 1616 01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:08.920 retiree ID. 1617 01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.599 At that point, they gave me a temporary badge. 1618 01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:13.079 You know, I hate this badge out and just leave 1619 01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.280 it right on the top of the the badge readers 1620 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:16.320 you're driving out. 1621 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:19.320 Did that, and literally three days later I'd already had 1622 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:21.320 it lined up. I did a three week work trip. 1623 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:24.360 That's you know, seventy two hours after I officially retired. 1624 01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:26.400 So I went out to Denver, did some training out 1625 01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.599 there for a week, and then went to Dallas Fort 1626 01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:32.039 Word for a week, and then down to Houston for 1627 01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.519 a week. Sorry not Houston, San Antonio. I'd already done 1628 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:38.880 a Houston trip previous to that. So yeah, again, like 1629 01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:41.760 I totally understand, I totally get white. You know, some 1630 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:43.960 folks want to do you know, six months a year, 1631 01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:47.000 you know, you know some you know sabbatical, you know, hiatus. 1632 01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:48.119 But that was definitely not me. 1633 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.480 Like, literally seven and seventy two hours later, I was 1634 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:52.320 on the road again, hitting it hard. 1635 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:54.400 So I've been been going NonStop ever since. 1636 01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:56.880 Yeah, you needed something to do with yourself to keep 1637 01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.079 you occupied. Absolutely got your navy veteran hat from the 1638 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:02.199 p X and you were. 1639 01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:04.679 Yeah, well yeah, I got my you know, company logo 1640 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:05.880 of that wasn't going. 1641 01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:06.639 To get any in that. 1642 01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:12.840 Maybe a name with you exactly, so your company, you 1643 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.440 have a training group, tell us a little bit about that. 1644 01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:17.679 Yeah, so Galloglass Guardian group. 1645 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:19.960 And then I get asked all the time the name, 1646 01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:21.480 what's like the namesake, you know, what. 1647 01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:22.000 Does it mean? 1648 01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:25.400 So so gallo Glass was a term for Scotch Irish 1649 01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:28.199 mercenaries from the thirteenth to sixteenth century from the North 1650 01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:31.159 Norse Gaelic armies kind of where some of my family 1651 01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:33.119 lineage is from. 1652 01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:35.679 You know, my dad, Dad's obviously last name Wendesay Scottish. 1653 01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.840 My last name my mom was, her maiden name was 1654 01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:42.519 was Brennan for Irish, so kind of had the tribal 1655 01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.679 the tribal areas of Scotland and Ireland and the family lineage. 1656 01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.840 So again the Scotch Irish, you know, you know, Galloglass 1657 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:52.119 warriors were Scotch Irish mercenaries from you know, kind of 1658 01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.800 their version of special operations forces during that time. And 1659 01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:57.880 once they would leave service, you know, military service, they'd 1660 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.320 go back to the tribal areas and protect the uh 1661 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:04.480 the chiefs and the uh the tribal villagers from criminal 1662 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:07.119 elements and foreign innovators, or sometimes they would be hired 1663 01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.719 by another foreign uh you know, tribe to help protect 1664 01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.719 the tribal areas in the same capacity. So not quite 1665 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:15.719 what I'm doing to the you know, to the tea, 1666 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.159 but I mean it's very similar in a lot of ways. 1667 01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:20.159 As far as some of the tactical training. 1668 01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:21.800 We do a little bit of security you know and 1669 01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:24.319 assessments and things like that, but really like our bread 1670 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:26.760 and butter is the uh the tactical training for domestic 1671 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.800 law enforcement. We do some uh some kind of civilian 1672 01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:32.199 training as well, trying to get a little bit more 1673 01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:33.760 involved with that, and I started doing a lot more 1674 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:38.000 about leadership team building talks here recently as well various presentations. 1675 01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:39.800 I have a big power point. I can do uh, 1676 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.239 you know, almost a full full day of stuff, or 1677 01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:43.720 I could do like, you know, kind of blocking in 1678 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:46.840 it's just several hours at a time, just depending on 1679 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:48.960 what the what the clients are, you know, wanting, what 1680 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:49.720 they're asking for. 1681 01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:51.520 And uh. 1682 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.960 There's also a knife design company. Oh yes, I actually 1683 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:55.960 have a couple of them right here. 1684 01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.279 So yeah, so TSG Blade so good, buddy, mine I 1685 01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:00.399 knew from uh from Seal Team four or we just 1686 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.239 we've kind of been working on this for a while. 1687 01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:05.079 And so yeah, we just had our The website is 1688 01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.359 not live just yet. It's gonna be TSG Blades. I'm 1689 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:09.560 actually gonna have a phone call hopefully tomorrow the next 1690 01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.159 day to follow up with our web designer. But this 1691 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:14.640 is our initial initial knife we hadn't made right here. 1692 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:18.039 So this is the TSG Blades Overt, the large it's 1693 01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:20.560 a little over five inches, one hundred percent American made. 1694 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:25.159 Our knife manufacturer is out of the Denver, Colorado area, Revo, 1695 01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.359 Indy Nids. And so yeah, it's got you know, the 1696 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.960 un clip sheath, you know, a whole Kai Dex thing else. 1697 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.399 So that one, and then we have. 1698 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:42.600 Then we have the TSD Blades Covert. That's the smaller one. 1699 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.119 So that this one is not beneficially released yet, but 1700 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.279 the other one is going to be hopefully released on 1701 01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:49.439 on the website here very soon. 1702 01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:50.920 I have some of I've been selling in person. 1703 01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:54.520 That's awesome, man, Yeah they look great. 1704 01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:56.960 Yeah. And then so the for the third one. 1705 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.960 Again, this is literally just a prototype our our manufacturing 1706 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:03.159 made after we design This's gonna be a folder basically 1707 01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:08.159 the size of the this TSG blades, the covert, this 1708 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:11.239 was gonna be the the clandestine and a folder. 1709 01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:13.920 So and it's a pretty printed prototype. 1710 01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.039 But yeah, we're gonna be hopefully starting to take orders 1711 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:17.279 for those very soon as well. 1712 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:22.079 Cool man. And uh, then let's also talk a little 1713 01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.439 bit about some of the other stuff that you've gotten into, like, uh, 1714 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:29.319 there's a bit of your police law enforcement work that 1715 01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.000 you're getting into. And then I mean there's also how 1716 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.359 we met doing some security work exactly. 1717 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:38.359 Yeah, I guess again I've we've joked before. We got 1718 01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:39.880 to like, you know, start linking up, brother, you know, 1719 01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.239 more than like once a year like work. You know, 1720 01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.159 So either you got to come down when Jaymed comes down, 1721 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.199 you know some of the boys boys week in North 1722 01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:49.520 Carolina or meeting Dallas or all hit up head up 1723 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:49.880 north in. 1724 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.079 The you know the NYC to meet you guys. 1725 01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:56.000 So no, So I'm a fully commissioned reserve deputy in 1726 01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.720 the State of Louisiana through Richmond Parish and again just 1727 01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:00.439 you know kind of help out with training works some 1728 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.520 you know coming and going when I'm traveling through there. 1729 01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.319 But I'm in the process of getting my Texas Commission 1730 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:06.800 on Law Enforcement license as well. 1731 01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:09.079 I'll be a reserved through Allen Texas PD. 1732 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.840 I again talking about like the the Navy cop Mastered Arms. 1733 01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:16.760 How it all, you know, kind of came full circle since. 1734 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.560 I had that, you know that any seed enable listening 1735 01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:22.000 code in addition to being a seal, I was able 1736 01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:25.439 to get approved by the from the Texas Commission on 1737 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:29.359 Law Enforcement to go the Military Police credentialing route. That 1738 01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:31.640 really saves a lot of in person academy times. So 1739 01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:34.199 that would I would normally have to do, even though 1740 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.640 there's a special Operations route. You can go a special 1741 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:38.920 Operations veteran and then a military police veteran. And I 1742 01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:40.960 was able to kind of get shave a shave even 1743 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.359 more time off. So I've already done all my line 1744 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.560 so I'm all of my online requirements. I've done all 1745 01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:48.960 of my in person academy except for I need eight 1746 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.720 hours two different four hour blocks that I'm getting knocked 1747 01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:55.119 out next next Thursday on June fifth, and one of 1748 01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:58.159 the regional academies in the Dallas Fort Worth area. And 1749 01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:00.600 after that, I put in my my affliction to take 1750 01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:03.560 the exam and just hopefully knock it out the excuse, 1751 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:07.199 you know, the first time knock out the the test, 1752 01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:09.000 you know, then I'm then I'll be be able to 1753 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.479 get the fully commissions and license at that point in time. 1754 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.239 So again a lot of guys have asked me, you know, like, hey, 1755 01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:16.159 why why why you doing the law enforcement you know, 1756 01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:18.239 like actual you know, commissioning, Like you don't need that 1757 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:19.439 in your military experience. 1758 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.560 But for me, I'm all about just being like a 1759 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:22.640 lifelong learner, you know. 1760 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.319 And again, when I set out to do something, I 1761 01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:27.399 really truly intend to try to be of all possible 1762 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:29.640 the best in the world at it. And I think like, okay, 1763 01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:32.479 how do I how can I set myself apart from 1764 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.039 other guys doing with similar backgrounds, doing the you know, 1765 01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:37.079 the training gig as well. So kind of my my 1766 01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:39.479 thought process was like, hey, if I can have as 1767 01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:43.439 many different credentials and licenses, is domestic law enforcement where 1768 01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:45.239 I'm when I'm working a shift, you know, helping the 1769 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.800 guys out, you know, guys and gals out, I'm held 1770 01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:49.680 at the same standard, you know, saying you know, like 1771 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:52.399 you know use of force, you know in in the 1772 01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:55.159 same uh, you know, restrictions and guidelines, you know underneath 1773 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.840 the you know, the Texas Commission Enforcement or Louisiana Peace 1774 01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.680 Officers standing and training, Like how I got to set 1775 01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:02.880 myself apart, Well, if I have as much real world 1776 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:05.600 experience as I possibly can, I'll be able to help 1777 01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:07.520 translate that to a lot of the training blocks. We 1778 01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:09.439 do that much more and kind of put that domestic 1779 01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:12.039 law enforcement spin on things, because I mean I've heard 1780 01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:14.840 a lot of times before people compare like, hey, special operations, 1781 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:17.920 you know forces, you know, doing overseas operations versus domestic 1782 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.359 law enforcement. Is is comparing apples to oranges. But if 1783 01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:22.880 you really want to break it down, there's a lot 1784 01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:26.279 there's a whole lot of similarities as well. So one 1785 01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.199 of the biggest onesdays, Okay, you have, like the military, 1786 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:30.520 you have your commanders intent, you have your rules of engagement. 1787 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.840 In domestic law enforcement, you have your you know, your 1788 01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:36.159 chiefs intent, your sheriffs, your director, whatever organization you're working for. 1789 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:40.640 You have your use of force guidelines, the US rule 1790 01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:43.199 of law. So you still have your left and right flanks. 1791 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:45.279 You have to operate in and again if I can, 1792 01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:47.279 if I can, you know, continue to hopefully you know, 1793 01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.199 help out you know, the you know, local, uh, state 1794 01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:53.159 and federal law enforcement agencies and kind of really like 1795 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:56.239 you know, curtail even if they don't take exactly you know, 1796 01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:57.920 how we're you know, some of the things we put 1797 01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.000 out to them as far as different tactics, techniques and 1798 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.720 procedures for various operations. If I could just help put 1799 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:04.800 a little of a spin and more things for them 1800 01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:08.760 and it fits within their department rate seats of policies 1801 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:11.079 or guidelines and saves one of their life, one of 1802 01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:13.479 their buddies' lives, or an innocent civilians life. I mean, 1803 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:16.439 that is worth every second, you know, you know, I 1804 01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:20.000 mean all the effort I'm putting into it. So again 1805 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:23.119 I have gotten you know, uh, you know, texts and 1806 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.000 phone calls from guys. You know, it's definitely at some 1807 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:27.520 point in time, I really need to do like a 1808 01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.600 h a testimonials to get the up the website updated 1809 01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:32.159 a little bit more. But guys hitting me up saying 1810 01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:33.720 like dude, like some of the stuff you showed us 1811 01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:34.800 literally saved our lives. 1812 01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:35.560 This is what happened. 1813 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:38.000 So that's a good feeling you talk about like job 1814 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:40.840 satisfaction at that point. So again, yeah, hopefully if I 1815 01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:42.560 can make you know, I can do that and really 1816 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:44.840 do something I enjoy and make a good, you know, 1817 01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.359 good living for myself, you know, my family. That's you know, 1818 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:50.119 acting on the cake, but literally just receiving text messages 1819 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:53.720 or phone calls from from guys that's saying like, dude, like, 1820 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:55.800 I don't know I'm sitting here, Like one guy recently 1821 01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.000 was he was involved in two separate shootings. I put 1822 01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:00.600 through multiple courses and he like to hit me up, 1823 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.600 you know, two separate events about like you know, two 1824 01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:05.680 years apart, and he hit me up, you know, saying 1825 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.560 as hey, I'm sitting here with my you know you know, 1826 01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:09.720 you know young their two or three year old daughter, 1827 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:11.880 and like my wife is you know, X amount of 1828 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:14.239 months pregnant. He's like, I honestly don't know if I'd 1829 01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:15.800 be sitting here right now if it wasn't for you 1830 01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:17.079 and some of the stuff you put out. 1831 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.079 So so I just wanted to say thank you. So again, 1832 01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:21.680 getting getting calls and texts like. 1833 01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.880 That is like is it just I mean, it's it's 1834 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:27.880 worth every bit of the uh you know, the effort 1835 01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:30.359 and the struggle sometimes being a small business owner you know, 1836 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.760 running it, you know running you know, you know post 1837 01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:33.800 military life here. 1838 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.079 But again, you know, talk about just you know, always 1839 01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:39.159 one of the lifelong lessons learned. Right now. I always 1840 01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:40.279 like to break things down, like. 1841 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:42.840 They just said, the uh you know you know uh, 1842 01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:48.319 you know, tactical, operational, and strategic, uh you know levels 1843 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:51.079 of things. Right now, I'm really concentrating more on the tactical, 1844 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:53.479 like the boots on the ground, the end user getting 1845 01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:55.239 a little bit is like operational stuff when you have 1846 01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:57.439 multiple you know units, you know, inner agencies you know, 1847 01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.199 working together in a mutual aid capacity. But if you 1848 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.920 have when you want to start bringing are talking about 1849 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.680 the strategic level things those your policy makers and whether 1850 01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:08.399 it be like you know, you know, state or federal 1851 01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:11.239 you know, like you know, congressional your members helping get 1852 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:14.399 legislation you know across or even like you know, senior 1853 01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:17.840 leaders from you know, your various various agencies. You know, 1854 01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:20.840 like you're your chiefs, sheriffs, directors, you know, folks that 1855 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:24.720 are really like affecting policy and writing policy. So I 1856 01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:26.920 would like to get to the point where I have 1857 01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.359 enough experience across the board where I can really start 1858 01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:31.800 hopefully affecting at the strategic level as well, and like 1859 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.680 really really helped kind of set some policies to where 1860 01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:37.840 it would keep officers in the general public, you know, 1861 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:39.600 say that's really it's all it's all about. It's all 1862 01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:42.079 about safety in the general public and safety for the 1863 01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.560 for the officers doing the dangerous job trade. 1864 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.479 There's something you mentioned that I'd like to kind of 1865 01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:48.319 key you off of. 1866 01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:52.600 You talked about being a lifelong learner, and I'd love 1867 01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:56.000 to ask, you know, someone who worked at your level today, 1868 01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.000 what are you still learning about marksmanship? What are you 1869 01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:02.039 still learning about reaching? What are you still learning about tactics? 1870 01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:04.520 They're they always evolved. 1871 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:07.359 So when I teach in the teaching one of the 1872 01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:10.439 UH one of the like the the CQB portions, I 1873 01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:12.520 always talk about bangs used to like bangs, you know, 1874 01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:14.560 distraction devices, the visionary devices. 1875 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:16.920 In the civilian the world, we. 1876 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:18.800 Would call them crashes in the military that I made 1877 01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:20.479 the exact same things. A lot lot of times it's 1878 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:23.920 exact same manufacturer, depending on UH, which agency is buying 1879 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:25.520 from which which manufacturer. 1880 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.319 But again talk about just. 1881 01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:29.319 You know, on O J T and always trying to 1882 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:32.319 like make the course you know, better with with various 1883 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:36.279 you know, various uh you know kind of critiques you know, 1884 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:38.039 you know, you know kind of you know, you know, 1885 01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:40.560 aar points guys would come up with. And so I 1886 01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:42.920 remember I was actually down at Houston teaching a course 1887 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.720 for a Region two of the Texas Tactical Police Officers Association. 1888 01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:47.560 I do a lot of a lot of work with. 1889 01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:50.520 And again, like it was interagency class. 1890 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:51.760 You know, he had guys that are like, you know, 1891 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.800 full time swat guys from major metropolitan area. And then 1892 01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:56.920 you had guys that were, you know, you know, within 1893 01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:59.319 like less than two years as a as a police officer, 1894 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:01.560 they got sent to instructor level of CQB Corps. 1895 01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.039 So you have like huge training disparity. 1896 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:06.840 But so anyways, so when we're talking about implementing bangs, 1897 01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:09.199 and there was like we were doing a deliberate style 1898 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:10.199 clearance and. 1899 01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:11.800 Like one of the guy, a couple of guys, like 1900 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:13.680 one guy that was actually the one man in the doorway. 1901 01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:16.119 Guys were getting a little frustration because the gears are grinding, 1902 01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:17.840 not working together. For the first time, I think it 1903 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:19.920 was the first day when this happened. After we had 1904 01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:23.039 it did like some classroom portions of things and really 1905 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:24.920 like the one guy you know on the number number 1906 01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:26.399 one man was like, guys, what do you want me 1907 01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:27.880 to do? You want me you know, you're gonna bang 1908 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.199 and want me to hold You want to banging clear deliberately. 1909 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:31.720 You want to be bang, you know, bang and take 1910 01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:34.520 it dynamically. And I'm just like stop right there, you know, 1911 01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:36.119 like I literally got on my phone. I'm like, I 1912 01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.319 have to add that to the UH, you know, the 1913 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.479 the bang portion of the UH of the calls us 1914 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:44.239 you know, you know, the presentation doing the distraction and 1915 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:47.039 are utilizing the distraction devices. So and that's just one 1916 01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:50.359 of like, you know, many many examples I could give 1917 01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:52.840 of our far as just just listening to guys, you know, 1918 01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:55.319 from from the domestic law enforcement standpoint, how they do 1919 01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:58.000 things and how it's like, Okay, I can totally see that, 1920 01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.079 Like maybe I should like more for a least at 1921 01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:02.439 least cover that in different aspects. You know, it's always 1922 01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:06.960 always you know, evolving and making making the curriculum better 1923 01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:09.279 and better. And again, like I've I've told a lot 1924 01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:13.159 of folks this as well. I'm of the mindset of 1925 01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:15.760 everything I teach, everything I put out in a domestic 1926 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.359 law enforcement training course, I need to be able to 1927 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:21.800 prepare myself and be able to be accountable if things 1928 01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:23.880 do not go right, even if the officers did everything 1929 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:26.520 correctly things if not they do not go right, I 1930 01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:28.119 could get called to the carpet and get on the 1931 01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:31.279 witness stand, and I have to justify why I, you know, 1932 01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:33.720 put you know, the certain training objectives and the curriculum. 1933 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:36.000 Why I was covering that. That's why I'm so big. 1934 01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:38.520 It was. It was a lot of work, you know, 1935 01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:39.920 leading up to it. 1936 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:42.359 But a couple of years ago, the Texas State Legislator 1937 01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:45.039 changed the kind of rules for some of the reporting 1938 01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:46.199 requirements for training. 1939 01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:48.239 Where before it said like if you if the. 1940 01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:51.439 Course got audited, you had to provide a lesson plan 1941 01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:53.960 with like the different training objectives and curriculum ahead of 1942 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.279 time and also the skills test. Then they changed it. 1943 01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:58.560 I want to say it was September of twenty three 1944 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:00.720 they change it to where like you had to have 1945 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:03.600 one on file ahead of time. So again it was 1946 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.159 a lot of extra work for me, and I had, 1947 01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:07.880 you know, work in between uh, the work trips, I 1948 01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:10.199 was back here getting some family time in in North Carolina. 1949 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:12.560 But it really forced me to start making some of 1950 01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:16.319 these you know Texas Commission on Law Enforcement template, uh, 1951 01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:20.720 you know lesson plans where it's like at CQB surveillance shooting, you. 1952 01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:22.680 Know, like a lot of night vision work I do 1953 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:23.119 as well. 1954 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:25.640 And so I've I've always passed those off and guys 1955 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:27.520 want them, you know, like the training coordinator will get 1956 01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:29.159 a copy of it for the reporting standards. 1957 01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:30.600 But there's even other states. 1958 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:32.279 So I kind of had sent that to guys and 1959 01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:34.960 you know what I've done the course is through them, 1960 01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:38.239 are with them and uh and they've actually been able 1961 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.159 to take it morph it to their state their state 1962 01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:43.239 standards and like it was you know, it's like the 1963 01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.239 lesson there they can make their own lesson plan on 1964 01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:47.279 file at that point too. 1965 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:49.399 So that's that's definitely a benefit. 1966 01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:51.079 And it just kind of has that that that that 1967 01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:54.399 that little bit of extra extra backing to know that like, hey, 1968 01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:57.399 a state governing body is you know at tracking and 1969 01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:01.439 approved through a training coordinator at you that you are 1970 01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:03.520 actually you know, you know, go in by the lesson 1971 01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:05.720 plan and when I whenever I do, hope like it. 1972 01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:07.840 You know, my test knocked out for my Texas Commission 1973 01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:10.479 on Law Enforcement you know license, and I get commissioned 1974 01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:12.119 with ALAN. One of the first courses I'm going to 1975 01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:15.560 go to is the forty hour t COLE Texas Commission 1976 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.640 on Law Enforcement Instructor Training Block. So because after that, 1977 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:21.079 I'll be able to, like I think it's I have 1978 01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:23.359 my own control number if i'm if I'm not mistaken, 1979 01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:26.359 and I can actually bottom line like lesson plans instead 1980 01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:28.520 of always having to run through you know, like training 1981 01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:29.800 coordinators for a certain department. 1982 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:31.680 So still a little bit more I got to figure 1983 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:32.039 out on that. 1984 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:33.760 As far as if I still have need to run 1985 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.239 through a department itself, I think that might be the case, 1986 01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:38.119 but I just would be able to take a lot 1987 01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:39.720 of work off, a lot of load off of the 1988 01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.119 training coordinators having that qual in addition into my my 1989 01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:45.720 t COLE, you know, like general Peace Officer's license. 1990 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:51.079 Trey, this has been a pretty wild ride, man. Thank 1991 01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:52.640 you for sharing your story with us. 1992 01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:55.079 And is there anything we haven't gotten to, anything I 1993 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:57.079 haven't asked that you'd really like to talk about? 1994 01:21:57.760 --> 01:21:59.720 Yeah, I mean I think we cover the majority of it. 1995 01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:01.760 I mentioned the t t p o A, the Texas 1996 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:05.680 Tactical Police Office Association a lot I do. I do 1997 01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:07.560 some stuff with the n t l A, the National 1998 01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:10.039 Tactical Office Association, not as much, but I'm gonna be 1999 01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:13.359 presenting their conference again this year when they're when I 2000 01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:14.920 have it in the in the end of August and 2001 01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.640 the DC area, so looking forward to that. I'll probably 2002 01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:19.880 do it maybe like Onesies, twesdies courses of them. There's 2003 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:23.880 there's several other state a lot of law enforcement you know, 2004 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:27.720 nonprofit organizations that I hopefully get more of work with, 2005 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:30.239 like the H two A, the Heartland Tactical Office Association, 2006 01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:31.359 the Kansas City area. 2007 01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:34.000 That's another another one I've been working on hot heavy. 2008 01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:36.880 I gotta gotta get some stuff excuse me, a schedule 2009 01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:37.239 through them. 2010 01:22:37.399 --> 01:22:40.159 So that and then I would like to talk just 2011 01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:42.760 a little bit about you know, a nonprofit I'm I'm 2012 01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:44.800 partner with and do a little Good foundation. They have 2013 01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:47.640 the Dallas Fort Worth area, so I mean, even though 2014 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:49.960 they're based out of there, they kind of sponsored training 2015 01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:51.720 and other stuff. I mean, if you you look on 2016 01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:54.600 their website, just d a l G that already to 2017 01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:56.640 do a Little Good Foundation, and you google that old 2018 01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:59.119 the website will pop up. But now buddy, buddy of 2019 01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.039 mine started that, you know, years ago, as you know, 2020 01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:04.279 the founder and executive director, Russ Spears is his name, 2021 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:06.479 and he's just he's just one of the most phenomenal 2022 01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:08.600 human beings that I've ever met in my entire life. 2023 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:10.840 He's a former Navy veteran himself. 2024 01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:14.399 And then really he has several different several different aspects, 2025 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:16.800 you know, different like mission focuses where one is like 2026 01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.079 you know, training domestic law enforcement. Two is kind of 2027 01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:22.800 helping with you know, veteran entrepreneurship programs, and three it's 2028 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:24.920 like a knine like you know, like a you know, 2029 01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:28.239 a service animal for kids that have you know, been 2030 01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:30.079 like an abuse of homes and things like that. I 2031 01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:32.079 know there's other stuff he's getting involved with as well. 2032 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.000 And again if you just go on their website and 2033 01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:35.800 look and they just they just have some just from 2034 01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:39.039 some phenomenal programs. So definitely wanted to want to get 2035 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:42.399 them some more of visibility here this evening as well. 2036 01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:46.239 We'll have links down the description, and I think we 2037 01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:48.600 also have a couple of viewer questions for you to Trey. 2038 01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:54.800 Okay, this is from Corbin. How often did fitfull apply 2039 01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:55.680 to c QB? 2040 01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:00.399 Okay, fitful applies to all aspects of life? Tell you 2041 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:02.560 you know so, But now a lot of it is 2042 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:03.600 just I don't say, like. 2043 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.600 Hey, a quick decision like our basic tactic you know, 2044 01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.479 executed quickly is usually better than an advanced tactic executed 2045 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:13.479 slowly or poorly. Though again, like you talk about just 2046 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.000 you know, playing pick up basketball, fill and flow, read 2047 01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:18.159 and react, it all means the same thing. You have 2048 01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:20.119 to have a lot of the figure out the fuck 2049 01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:22.520 out mentalities you go. You still want to have your 2050 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:24.800 SOPs and you want abide by them, so you're not 2051 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:26.560 you know, breaking the rules. Like I talked about before, 2052 01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:30.000 the definition of advanced tactics, just knowing the basics, knowing 2053 01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:31.520 what it makes sense to break the rules, and then 2054 01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:34.000 be able to articulate why you broke those rules, as 2055 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:35.159 all advanced tactics are. 2056 01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:40.239 From CB. What's your opinion on the MP seven. 2057 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.760 I've heard comments from other Tier one guys that it's 2058 01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:45.520 not liked and used as much at all. 2059 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:48.880 Yeah, it's it was not I had one for years. 2060 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:50.720 I carried it on a few ops, but there's just 2061 01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:53.800 you heard horse stories from guys that if some guys 2062 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:54.960 had good success when they. 2063 01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:56.359 Had to use it, other guys did not. 2064 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:58.680 And just the round itself, I think I think it 2065 01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:01.479 could have been a little bit more up, you know, efficient, 2066 01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:04.279 but like some of like the actual bullet designs you know, 2067 01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:06.079 and ingrains would have been a little bit different. 2068 01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:08.199 But again, like this, it's such a. 2069 01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.600 Small market, like kind of talking with some of the 2070 01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:14.159 ammunition manufacturers are like, you know, when we try to 2071 01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:18.239 try to get additional, additional you know, rounds with the 2072 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.319 heavier grain bullets for that, just like guys man, there's 2073 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:22.159 only two units out there that's really using it. It's 2074 01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:24.359 just it's not worth our time for we'd have to invest. 2075 01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:26.760 So again, it was super lightweight, it was it was 2076 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.079 freaking so much fun to shoot. I'll give it that. 2077 01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:31.520 But again, like I only carry it, you know a 2078 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:34.319 handful of times when when I was doing some of 2079 01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.319 the Overwatch type missions where I had like a long 2080 01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:38.000 gun on my back, I wanted to try to make, 2081 01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:41.359 you know, be as light as I possibly could be. Again, 2082 01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:43.920 it's just some guys liked it, but the majority guys 2083 01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:46.479 just weren't super super you know, big fans of but 2084 01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:48.520 so I think some better options now, even though it's 2085 01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:50.920 a you know, the pistol caliber versions, but like the 2086 01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:53.119 the MP X, I have one of those three sig 2087 01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:56.279 love that thing, the the Nemo Arms mongoose that just 2088 01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:58.520 came out and just got released. Good buddy of mine, 2089 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:00.520 we were at the Command for together for quite a bit. 2090 01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.479 He works for Nemo Arms. So yeah, just haven't a 2091 01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:05.359 chance to shoot that yet, but just feeling it, you know, 2092 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:07.279 hands on like I would. I would carry one of 2093 01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:10.840 those before I carried an MP seven for sure overseas 2094 01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:12.439 or even domestically. 2095 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:18.000 One more, what was your favorite rifle or gun while 2096 01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:19.239 you were in the teams? 2097 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:22.039 Yeah, so my H and K four sixteen will always 2098 01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:23.640 be near and dear to my heart, just because you know, 2099 01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:25.399 never never let me down when I needed it do 2100 01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:27.560 or it was hoping it did not let me down. 2101 01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:30.319 I should say we got the noveskis. 2102 01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:32.800 I think in twenty gosh, what year was it, twenty 2103 01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.439 seventy I was still in our assault squadron, so got 2104 01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:38.760 the Noveskies. Those were definitely you know, a good upgrade, 2105 01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:42.800 but again really didn't you know, really didn't get a 2106 01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:44.319 chance to deploy that much with it. 2107 01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:46.239 Enjoyed the hell out of shooting it for sure. 2108 01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:48.399 That phenomenal guns like some of the other awesome you 2109 01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:52.199 know American manufacturer you know AR companies, AR manufacturer companies 2110 01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:55.880 are but I'd say, yeah, just the H and K 2111 01:26:56.039 --> 01:26:58.119 four sixteen will always be near and dear to my heart, 2112 01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:00.199 just because it was. It was the workhorse for the UH, 2113 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:02.800 for the tiers, for the Tier one organizations for many 2114 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:04.159 years during the height of the gquat. 2115 01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.640 That's it for questions. Try one more time. Let folks 2116 01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:11.399 out there know where they can find you, where they 2117 01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:12.279 can find your company. 2118 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:16.840 Okay, absolutely, Yeah, So it's my website is uh three 2119 01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.479 G Strategic Consultants dot com. This is exactly how it's 2120 01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.840 listening spelled out. Also on Facebook, I do some stuff 2121 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:25.479 work related on there, but yeah, you just look at 2122 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:27.560 my name, Trey Lindsay, you know, should be able to 2123 01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:30.880 send me a free request for Instagram. 2124 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:32.319 I have Galloglass three G. 2125 01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:36.560 It has my company logo on there as well, so 2126 01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:38.239 I do a lot of like, uh, you know, a 2127 01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:40.560 lot of work work related obviously to the three G 2128 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.840 company on there. Also have a TSG Blade. You should 2129 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:45.680 be able to look that up on Instagram, but I 2130 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:47.840 haven't posted a whole lot. I'm waiting for our website 2131 01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:49.600 to go live before we do kind of our official 2132 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:53.279 online launch, and then also for for Instagram v t 2133 01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:55.840 L three. That's uh, you know, that's just my personal 2134 01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:57.960 one of the walls I usually tag. If I'm sending 2135 01:27:58.000 --> 01:27:59.520 a post on one, I'll tag the other one so 2136 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:01.479 guys will be able to pick up on that. And 2137 01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:03.840 also guys are interested in getting swag. It's out of 2138 01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:07.159 the Dallas, Texas area, my swag company just you know, 2139 01:28:07.239 --> 01:28:09.600 on the website three G Merch just you know, it's 2140 01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:11.920 how it's spilled out, like three G then M E 2141 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:14.680 r c H dot com. It should pop up all 2142 01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:18.680 the different you know, various various you know hats, you know, 2143 01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:21.600 t shirts. Just got some hoodies in as well, got 2144 01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:23.239 a like, you know, like little like you know, kind 2145 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:26.119 of yetti style you know, koozy cups, and have a 2146 01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:27.920 have a platform of other things we're gonna be. 2147 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:31.279 Adding as well. So again, yeah, just if guys are 2148 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:33.239 interested in that, just three G merch dot com. 2149 01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:35.920 Awesome, Hey Trey, if you want, you can send us 2150 01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:37.760 all those links and they will be in the description 2151 01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:39.439 of this video in the show notes. So if you 2152 01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:42.479 guys want to follow Trey or any or get some merch, 2153 01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:44.079 check out the Knives anything. 2154 01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:45.199 The links are in the description. 2155 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:46.680 Got it, Yeah, say so? 2156 01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:48.640 The on the on the Knife website, it's gonna be 2157 01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:50.880 We already owned the doname. It's gonna be TSG blades 2158 01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:53.119 dot com. It's just not live yet. We're having our 2159 01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:56.560 web designer do the do the final kind of a 2160 01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:58.000 you know, e commerce, you know. 2161 01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:01.720 All the stuff. He's gotta do it. But definitely sorry. 2162 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:03.239 TSG Blades on Instagram. 2163 01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:05.520 You'll be able to follow me there, and then TSG 2164 01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:07.920 Blades you know dot com will hopefully be live within 2165 01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:09.279 the next week or two and we'll be able to 2166 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:10.479 start taking orders online. 2167 01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:15.159 Awesome, man, Well, Trey, thank you for doing this interview 2168 01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:18.399 and spending some time with us this evening. Really appreciate it. Man. 2169 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:20.760 Oh likewise, brother, I appreciate y'all have me on. 2170 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:23.359 Like like I mentioned before, we gotta we gotta start 2171 01:29:23.359 --> 01:29:24.560 hanging out more than once a year. 2172 01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:25.760 Work like that. 2173 01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:29.039 You're You're welcome up here anytime, man, and come smoke 2174 01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:29.880 cigars together. 2175 01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:33.119 That's awesome. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, like J Man's 2176 01:29:33.159 --> 01:29:36.039 actually coming down here in a uh in in June. 2177 01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:38.560 For a bit, you know, Okay, yeah, yeah, so yeah, 2178 01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:38.840 I was. 2179 01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:40.479 Saying, just just going out there and you can get 2180 01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:42.159 a little, you know, get away for a quick, little 2181 01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:44.239 bros trip. He's coming on Thursday evening. We're gonna be 2182 01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:47.039 doing some shooting and uh hanging out on that Friday. 2183 01:29:47.079 --> 01:29:48.600 Then he's leaving Saturday morning first thing. 2184 01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:50.279 So just out there. 2185 01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:52.239 Yeah, I know, I might have to work that in 2186 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:57.359 there sometime this year. Yeah, thanks again, Frey, and uh 2187 01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:59.920 for everyone else out there, We'll see you again next time. 2188 01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:03.800 Thanks for joining us. And hey, don't forget to check 2189 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:06.680 out the Patreon. There's links to in the description as always, 2190 01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:08.960 so we'll see you guys next time. 2191 01:30:09.039 --> 01:30:09.279 Thank you. 2192 01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:13.960 Hey guys, it's Jack. 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