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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What What's gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. I got a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of rejects with us here today and no Georgina Rose. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>she decided to cancel about a twenty minutes before the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess she wasn't too intimidated by the people that

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<v Speaker 2>are on the show. She needed to vet them and

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah. And because I said fuck twice

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<v Speaker 2>because I was a little upset, she basically said, go

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<v Speaker 2>fuck yourself now. She decided not to do the show

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<v Speaker 2>at all. So unfortunately, Uh, sorry everybody. I thought she'd

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<v Speaker 2>be coming on, but she's not. I guess she's scared

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<v Speaker 2>of the Occult rejects. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna kick it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck it. We're all here. So, uh, we got somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else new with us today. I was very, very excited

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<v Speaker 2>to get this woman on. She was in the oto

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<v Speaker 2>with me. We did a lot of we did two

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<v Speaker 2>initiations together. We spent a lot of time together at

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<v Speaker 2>that place with other people that we were very close to. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>We even did a class together there on Zoom did

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<v Speaker 2>you forget about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Judith is Sigils class.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we did that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just had to say.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, you know, one of the few real

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<v Speaker 2>friends that I had in the Oto, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>always just you know, a good person.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wanted to get her on.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, you know, Georgina Rose was coming on and

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<v Speaker 2>she had shown up at two Really Lodge a few times,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought maybe Judith had met her or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to give her that chance to meet

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<v Speaker 2>the woman. And uh, I figured, fuck it, let me see.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you know, if I can get Judith on and

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<v Speaker 2>she was able to, I hit her up. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a while, it's been fucking years. Actually, you're like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yo, you just disap here, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yo, I had a weird magical experience

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<v Speaker 2>and the OTO was weiring me out, so I just balanced.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't know what to do, but yeah I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I did basically just disappear. But uh yeah, we got

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<v Speaker 2>her on, and Judith. Please let everybody you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>what your dealer is. I know, you have your own channel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not really based on magic, but you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can plug whatever you like.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh I I go by the loan, but Ji Swanson

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<v Speaker 4>and yes, I I do have my own channel, and

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<v Speaker 4>my channel is based on basically, uh more like self awareness,

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<v Speaker 4>not into high magic, even though I still still into it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still into it, but uh yeah, it's still loan.

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<v Speaker 5>It's called a loan.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I'll share that link later on with Unick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, if you give me the link, I could

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<v Speaker 2>put it down in the show notes for sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but go check out that channel, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully if things work out right, I would like to

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<v Speaker 2>get you more and more offen with those students, so

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, even just bullshit and

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<v Speaker 2>had about the experiences that we've had.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's so many things we can talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally, next we got the Headless Giant.

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<v Speaker 3>My boy, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Sir?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 7>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 8>You can find me on YouTube and everything else. It'd

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<v Speaker 8>be interesting to get some stories out of YouTube. So

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<v Speaker 8>let's see where we're going to them.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, And then we have Arrowsop Arrows show it up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're really excited for this one. That's why

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<v Speaker 3>I feel bad.

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<v Speaker 9>I was so excited for this, but that's all right.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm still happy to be here with you guys, Always

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<v Speaker 9>happy to be here with you guys. You guys are

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<v Speaker 9>great friends. But yes, you can find me on YouTube

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<v Speaker 9>at aerowsup and you can find me on Twitter at

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<v Speaker 9>arrowst those. I post a lot of astrological things and

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<v Speaker 9>her medic and neo platonist things. I'm coming out with

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<v Speaker 9>a new video Assume that I'm really excited about about

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<v Speaker 9>Chaos Versus Order and uh yeah, so there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 9>some neo platonism in there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's gonna be here, so.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, o Cyrus raw Typhon really excited about it.

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<v Speaker 9>Check that out hopefully Thursday or Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice, nice, awesome. Yeah, definitely check a look out

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<v Speaker 2>for that. And if you haven't listened to the other

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that she has done on the show, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you even have that up on your YouTube, correct.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, yep, I have some of those old presentations that

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<v Speaker 9>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if you want to go over to her

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<v Speaker 2>channel and check out some of the work she's on

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<v Speaker 2>the Legal REJACX Fucking Bangers.

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<v Speaker 3>They were so good, That's why I brought around the

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<v Speaker 3>t the team. So check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right after me Monday, and I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to put you on the spot, but I think Hella

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<v Speaker 2>said you might have been able to come on this

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday again with us on the mailbay. Yes, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was actually fun when you joined this. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>good time, so look forward.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah it was and hopefully we get some mail, send

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<v Speaker 9>us mail.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's what I was even saying before.

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<v Speaker 3>I've even said that before.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like I'm not even trying to brag, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, yo, when you look at like if I

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<v Speaker 2>was like to show the numbers how many people listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the show and the fact that we get no mail,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's fucking weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, like I was saying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody else, like you know when I was I've said

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<v Speaker 2>this to Jim plenty of times, like I have this

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<v Speaker 2>obsession with like wanting to change the way Thlima is

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<v Speaker 2>seen before I die. And I did tell him, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, the show already has more people

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<v Speaker 2>listening to it than he's even even in the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>oto at this point. So like when you're finding yourself

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<v Speaker 2>in that position, like could be possible to pull that off,

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<v Speaker 2>but like that's what It's like, come on, send us

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<v Speaker 2>some fucking mail man. What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm even offering to send out free stickers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sending you a seventy something something that would have

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<v Speaker 2>a sense stamp.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus the course of the stick is for you just to.

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<v Speaker 2>Send us an email with your address and they I'll

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<v Speaker 2>send you for some free stickers.

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<v Speaker 3>So come on, man, all.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, I think it's a conspiracy of all these other shows.

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<v Speaker 8>They actually write their own emails to themselves, so this

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<v Speaker 8>is actually the norm. Paranormal experiences are not that common.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly right, I mean, or even weird dreams. Fuck, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that. I'll be totally honest with you. I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't just had bullshit sent to It's just being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get some free stickers out of a bullshit story,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just go in to chat GBT.

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<v Speaker 2>Just be like, I need a bullshit story for a

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal tale for the Occult Rejex podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>That's now we're gonnaet CHADGBT stories. Fuck all right, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna shut up, Jen, go ahead, please.

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<v Speaker 10>Yo, what is boss mister ninety three? The true ninety three?

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<v Speaker 10>And I just want to say so that's too bad

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<v Speaker 10>about Georgina. But I'm I'm actually excited to be on

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<v Speaker 10>with all of you guys, and I have read her book,

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<v Speaker 10>and as like someone who has a journeyed the suffering myself,

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<v Speaker 10>I feel like I'm fully capable of to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 10>and or we'll just talk about like Macaba journeys in general.

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<v Speaker 10>And obviously, if you really are interested in all the

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<v Speaker 10>work that we've done on Rejects, you can listen to

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<v Speaker 10>Matt Murra, Joshua the Branch and of course Solar Exile me.

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<v Speaker 1>Do our have done the Kabala series.

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<v Speaker 10>We've done all the speculative Cabala hundreds of hours on

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<v Speaker 10>the Gray Lodge, as well as my show. And my

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<v Speaker 10>show is really outpouring of Nick's show, not because it

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<v Speaker 10>started because I started coming on Rejects, but it was

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<v Speaker 10>really because Nick let me kind of train quote unquote

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<v Speaker 10>as a podcaster, as an occult podcaster and meet fucking

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<v Speaker 10>cool people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say that for it.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm sorry, Nick, And so that's really so I would

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<v Speaker 10>consider myself like part of the I'm part of the

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<v Speaker 10>nebula of rejects in like a small way, and definitely

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<v Speaker 10>the Gray Lodge is absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a little brother show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I love that, Ijax. I've wanted to say

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<v Speaker 2>that before, but I never I wasn't sure how you

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<v Speaker 2>would take that. But I do look at it as

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<v Speaker 2>like a brotherlike it's almost like, you know, an extension

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<v Speaker 2>of the occult rejecs.

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<v Speaker 10>I would it's absolutely an extension of o'call rejects the

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<v Speaker 10>Gray Lodge because it developed out of the idea of

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<v Speaker 10>doing panel because I, I mean, I have my own show,

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<v Speaker 10>so I don't like, you know, I can do whatever

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<v Speaker 10>I want on that feed. But then to do like

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<v Speaker 10>the thing with we all for we're hierarchical, we're trying

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<v Speaker 10>to we're trying that out and you know, I have

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<v Speaker 10>to be the boss a little bit, but it just

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<v Speaker 10>do more, you know, like creative decisions and then Maths

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<v Speaker 10>are webmaster, and then the other two bring like so

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<v Speaker 10>much knowledge. So it's been a really exciting, like the

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<v Speaker 10>last three years Nick, to do this with you has

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<v Speaker 10>been like really great and thank you so much, and

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<v Speaker 10>you've really let me allowed me to meet exceptionally interesting

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<v Speaker 10>you know, my favorite things American magicians. Anyways, So all

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<v Speaker 10>if people are going to get mad at me, They're

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<v Speaker 10>going to say, I love bombing you.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 10>So I just want to say thank you to Matt

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<v Speaker 10>Murra and Joshua the Branch of course, who are my brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Gray Lodge.

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<v Speaker 10>I didn't know this until two days ago, but the

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<v Speaker 10>Gray Lodge was actually the name of a chaote podcast

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<v Speaker 10>from the early two thousands that was doing aonic work.

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<v Speaker 10>So you were saying, like, how Nick, you wanted to

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<v Speaker 10>sort of change the nature of Telema. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 10>in a lot of ways, like the show that you've created,

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<v Speaker 10>and then the shows that like I've gone and done,

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<v Speaker 10>and then obviously like even like Headless and Arrows, like

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<v Speaker 10>they're doing their like more hellenic stuff, and I think

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<v Speaker 10>that that's it's all sort of inter working parts of

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<v Speaker 10>like we're all working on we're all doing aonic work.

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<v Speaker 10>We're just sort of looking at our individual sort of

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<v Speaker 10>lenses of it. And of course I obviously I'm one,

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<v Speaker 10>this is my thing I'm known for as am of

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<v Speaker 10>the Daughter, so that would have never come into wish.

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<v Speaker 1>So just keep him and keep him, you know, keep

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much all of you, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Uh, you have to keep going on about

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<v Speaker 2>what I was saying earlier. But like you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting old. Just keep it real. Lon Milo is

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<v Speaker 8>I feel like it's out there. And what we've been

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot more involved. I mean, even on

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Judith knows, is yeah, I even

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<v Speaker 2>try to get into physiology, where I do even think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of occult symbolism and some stuff Crowley was

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<v Speaker 2>at him Minerval. You have to say on after that,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember James even said, Minerval shows you everything if

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<v Speaker 2>some deep shit in Minerval. Believe it or not not

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<v Speaker 2>to keep going on about it, but I do think,

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<v Speaker 2>Crowley was actually talking about that and some stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>may not be something you knew about the show or

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<v Speaker 3>Telling you sit like that when I knew you, So

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<v Speaker 3>that's new.

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<v Speaker 5>We had time to contemplate a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, all right now, Matt, sorry fucking taking over

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<v Speaker 2>the show normally, not just talkative.

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<v Speaker 12>I guess this one will be in flux since we

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<v Speaker 12>be on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, Twitch, maybe some other place.

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<v Speaker 12>And also, like Jin said, there's the Gray Lodge. We

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<v Speaker 12>are going to do a spaces this Friday, and make

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<v Speaker 12>out the archived version both on YouTube, the Grady Latch,

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<v Speaker 12>a h dot com lock coal stuff there. Recently, I've

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<v Speaker 3>Very nice that I did.

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<v Speaker 11>I want to I want to work more of that.

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<v Speaker 12>So if you want to be a beta tester, just

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<v Speaker 12>So a lot coo stuff there. Again, happy to be

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, thank you very much, William Barkin whatever, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, whatever ulteri ego you're using right now.

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<v Speaker 13>I usually get with the branch, but I realized some

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<v Speaker 13>on Twitter I warp as an umbrella scientist. So yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 13>I just wanted to say thanks for hosting, by the way,

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<v Speaker 13>and it's nice to meet you Judas and Aeros. And

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<v Speaker 13>if I didn't say anything else, I would just like

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<v Speaker 13>to remind people to, you know, be you know, keeping

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<v Speaker 13>physical media, maybe archiving shows that you like like this,

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<v Speaker 13>so on and so forth, because as we move further

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<v Speaker 13>digital realm as it intensifies as well, you know, so personally,

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 7>We just don't realize it, you know.

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<v Speaker 13>So these opportunities to share space together, whether it be

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<v Speaker 13>just cherish it and you really appreciate it and interact

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<v Speaker 13>you know, Otherwise you can just talk to yourself, right,

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<v Speaker 13>and those in the chat as well, and all shout

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<v Speaker 13>out to Threshold Saints. Also, we do spaces every Friday

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<v Speaker 13>night or every other Friday perhaps We're not really sure

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<v Speaker 13>on Wednesdays I'm gonna try to maybe start doing spaces

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<v Speaker 3>No, of course, no, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think some people, if you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>it too, like if you want to get like a

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<v Speaker 2>full night of occult ism in they're normally like running

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<v Speaker 3>Have a go live on a Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>If we do so, like if people haven't really listened

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<v Speaker 2>to it, you know, suggestic go check it out regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, sometimes when I'm booking shows. I'm like, these

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<v Speaker 2>motherfuckers got their show on Friday. Man, I'll get a

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<v Speaker 2>guess And I'm like a really one gin in man whoever,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, they got You know, I can't bitch though,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that you're doing the damn thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh yeah, definitely check out this stuff. That's really good.

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<v Speaker 13>But that's kind of what we said, was that by

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<v Speaker 13>doing it like every other Friday, it opens up space

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<v Speaker 13>for other opportunities to like, for instance, right there would

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, you know, thank you for coming on. And last,

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<v Speaker 14>Everyone always excited to share my two cents and learn

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<v Speaker 14>from you guys. And I love the synthesis and that idea.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm a writer frequently putting together articles or ideas that

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<v Speaker 14>Nick and Judith your you guys experiences with the with

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<v Speaker 3>Are no, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really happy you made anything. Actually I wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 14>I'm I think we all have an interest in her,

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<v Speaker 2>I love monetary stuff. So I was like, fuck, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at that. We even have another author

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<v Speaker 2>I would you consider yourself almost a prolific writer? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you write besides books, you do write a lot too,

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<v Speaker 7>A little bit much.

426
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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of pat I.

427
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<v Speaker 7>Want to write and I want to share writing.

428
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<v Speaker 14>I think it's uh, you know, a good endeavors as

429
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<v Speaker 14>opposed to all the other things we could be doing

430
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<v Speaker 14>in the.

431
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<v Speaker 1>World, like.

432
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<v Speaker 7>It's the world. World gets crazy.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but uh yeah that's everybody, Thank you very much.

434
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<v Speaker 2>And uh, I guess we'll wrap it up, Judith, if

435
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<v Speaker 2>you don't mind.

436
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<v Speaker 3>Will you win the service?

437
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<v Speaker 11>Yes?

438
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<v Speaker 3>Actually I thought that's right, true, that's right, that's right.

439
00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, headless was in the reserves, right, the reserves

440
00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:54.720
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. Yeah, oh you muted.

441
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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, twelve years.

442
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<v Speaker 5>Oh to me, I did eight years actively.

443
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<v Speaker 3>Where did you go? If you don't mind me asking you?

444
00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:07.480
<v Speaker 11>Uh?

445
00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:08.640
<v Speaker 5>Overseas.

446
00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:13.759
<v Speaker 4>I deployed the Haiti once and then I served in Germany,

447
00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:15.640
<v Speaker 4>my my last tour.

448
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<v Speaker 3>Oh sh how was Germany?

449
00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:20.160
<v Speaker 5>Germany was wonderful.

450
00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:23.480
<v Speaker 4>I want to go back, well not maybe right, not

451
00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:25.359
<v Speaker 4>right now, but I always want to go back.

452
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<v Speaker 2>I loved it nice, nice, Oh my god.

453
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<v Speaker 3>I would have been in awe just of the architecture there.

454
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<v Speaker 5>Oh, the architecture, the culture. It was unbelievable.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been through four decks?

456
00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:44.039
<v Speaker 5>I went through Four Dicks. Actually, when you take the the.

457
00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:48.200
<v Speaker 4>When you come back, if you want to be cheap,

458
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<v Speaker 4>then you want to go to the Army Way.

459
00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.759
<v Speaker 5>You know that's well? Is it still up? Did they

460
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<v Speaker 5>close up the airport?

461
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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

462
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<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

463
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<v Speaker 1>It's it's good forever.

464
00:21:57.799 --> 00:21:58.839
<v Speaker 8>But I was through there too.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Yo, this is crazy. You remember you remember, I think

466
00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:05.079
<v Speaker 2>probably from the OTO. I think I had to like

467
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<v Speaker 2>fill out paperwork to justify why I went to prison.

468
00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I think you knew I went to prison, right, Yeah,

469
00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:12.319
<v Speaker 2>So I did federal prison time, and I did it

470
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<v Speaker 2>at Fort Dicks.

471
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<v Speaker 3>I was literally in the barrack. I was. I was

472
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<v Speaker 3>in the prison.

473
00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Why this man was on the other side getting trained?

474
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<v Speaker 2>How the fuck does that happen?

475
00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:25.079
<v Speaker 5>How did we not run into each other?

476
00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:28.480
<v Speaker 2>He didn't see me standing on the fence, though I

477
00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:31.880
<v Speaker 2>wish I was free standing at the fence. Hold give

478
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<v Speaker 2>me a cigarette.

479
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's wild shit, dude.

480
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:40.799
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, no, I thought when he when somebody said so, yeah,

481
00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:44.200
<v Speaker 2>mentioned something about uh, the service, and I show you

482
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<v Speaker 2>you made a face and I was like, wait, I

483
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<v Speaker 2>think she was in this.

484
00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:49.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, had some gangster shit. I think. I remember when

485
00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:52.559
<v Speaker 3>you told me that. I was like, wait what, Yeah,

486
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:53.839
<v Speaker 3>that's pretty cool.

487
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<v Speaker 4>And I actually try to work a lot with the

488
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<v Speaker 4>veteran as much as I can with the veteran community because.

489
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<v Speaker 5>Recently that they were forgotten.

490
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<v Speaker 2>If you don't mind, I just want to ask you

491
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<v Speaker 2>a few more questions, just so you try to get

492
00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:12.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of remembrance or whatever. When you when

493
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<v Speaker 2>you were like practicing normally, were you doing, uh, did

494
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<v Speaker 2>you do like the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram?

495
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:19.920
<v Speaker 2>You did do that? You did that stuff?

496
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<v Speaker 5>To me, that's you have to do it. It's like.

497
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<v Speaker 2>Making.

498
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm sure we all know people who don't but.

499
00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:31.799
<v Speaker 2>I made.

500
00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:34.440
<v Speaker 5>But that was the wrong face. Yeah, some people I

501
00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:35.279
<v Speaker 5>don't need to do it.

502
00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you know.

503
00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:38.400
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's just cool that I actually have like

504
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<v Speaker 2>a female on the show that actually did the same

505
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:41.720
<v Speaker 2>rituals that I did.

506
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<v Speaker 4>Well, you also have to remember I also have my

507
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:50.720
<v Speaker 4>background also, uh entails being wicked, so it was wicked practice.

508
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:55.039
<v Speaker 4>So cleansing your space is very very important no matter

509
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.480
<v Speaker 4>what you do to me, no matter what path, whether

510
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<v Speaker 4>you stay on this path, or not.

511
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<v Speaker 8>Well, the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram and a

512
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:11.519
<v Speaker 8>lot of formal uh situations inside wickup too, so like, yeah.

513
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<v Speaker 5>It depends on which traditions.

514
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what, It's almost like sometimes I've noticed

515
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<v Speaker 2>too it almost seems like a mix of the lesser

516
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<v Speaker 2>and the greater, because like I've seen like somewhere the

517
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.640
<v Speaker 2>wickens will like holl the towers, but you're not doing

518
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<v Speaker 2>that until you're in the greater Pentagram.

519
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:25.519
<v Speaker 3>You're not doing that in.

520
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.559
<v Speaker 2>The lesser Pentagram, you know what I'm saying. So I've

521
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<v Speaker 2>even seen like there almost seems to be a little

522
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<v Speaker 2>bit of a mixed mix.

523
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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, like it all depends on what tradition you

524
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<v Speaker 4>train under, that on which way you do it. So

525
00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:44.039
<v Speaker 4>but in high magic, I feel the less benefit that

526
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.759
<v Speaker 4>banishing rituals should be automatic.

527
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, exactly.

528
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:51.839
<v Speaker 5>Do it that will?

529
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<v Speaker 3>Did you did you use the middle pillar?

530
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<v Speaker 5>I love the middle pillar.

531
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I used to be.

532
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I thought about actually doing that again recently because it's

533
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:04.160
<v Speaker 2>just a meditation.

534
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:06.599
<v Speaker 5>I love the metal pillar.

535
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:11.680
<v Speaker 4>It's uh, I don't want to say it's a quick

536
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.599
<v Speaker 4>way of doing a chakra alignment, but that's how I felt.

537
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, you hit five out of the seven.

538
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:22.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, what I really liked was the visuals that

539
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.599
<v Speaker 2>you had to like kind of create, like the stuff

540
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.279
<v Speaker 2>swirling around and swirling down you.

541
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why that.

542
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I always thought like if I got it, if it

543
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.119
<v Speaker 2>started to happen, I was always like, oh my god,

544
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:32.839
<v Speaker 2>this is so sick.

545
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:38.160
<v Speaker 5>The question is which version do you like doing? You know,

546
00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.880
<v Speaker 5>the Hebrew version and then you have the plymic version.

547
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yeah, I see. I only did the Hebrew version,

548
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and then I started fucking around with an Egyptian version,

549
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and I only did that a few times. And then

550
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<v Speaker 2>around there I stopped fucking around with magic and I.

551
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.319
<v Speaker 5>Found each one gives me different results.

552
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have heard that, especially with the thlemic one

553
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<v Speaker 2>and the for the other one.

554
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<v Speaker 10>I have a sorry, guys, I have a quick follow

555
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<v Speaker 10>up for Judah. Just it's a personal question. If you

556
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<v Speaker 10>don't want to answer you, that's totally okay. But when

557
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 10>you were Wickan, what pantheon did you prefer? So that's

558
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.319
<v Speaker 10>question maybe A, and then question B would be I

559
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<v Speaker 10>we like for the gray lodge, we called a middle pillar,

560
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.319
<v Speaker 10>specifically a middle pillar group, and so Sola and I

561
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:27.880
<v Speaker 10>interviewed Gregory Peters, who wrote the New a on TNTRA.

562
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.599
<v Speaker 10>He was heavily involved with a on of Mott workings

563
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<v Speaker 10>in the nineties with Anemma, and.

564
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>He also wrote a.

565
00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 10>Sort of his book has a ritual like a Middle

566
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.720
<v Speaker 10>Pillar ritual, and he kind of does a little TNTRA

567
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:44.599
<v Speaker 10>with a little new Eat and like, I didn't really

568
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<v Speaker 10>fully understand it because I don't have a ceremonial like

569
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 10>magic background, but I think that Nick should probably get

570
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 10>him on eventually, and yeah, let's let's do that. But

571
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<v Speaker 10>I'm sorry, but I wanted to know why you like

572
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<v Speaker 10>the Middle Pillar because it is like just even at

573
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<v Speaker 10>face value, for me, it's like even the idea is

574
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:05.319
<v Speaker 10>profound rather than it's like it's not edge Lord, but

575
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.200
<v Speaker 10>it's still magic, so it still has like that transgressivity

576
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:09.480
<v Speaker 10>of what magic is.

577
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 5>I think once I tell you which which did I prefer?

578
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:15.599
<v Speaker 5>You don't understand why I like the Middle Pillar.

579
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.759
<v Speaker 4>Uh, And she's not very popular actually, but Mott, the

580
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 4>DDY I'd love to work with is Mott, which actually

581
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 4>falls in place because it brings everything in balance.

582
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 10>That's interesting because that is the that's the aonic deity

583
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 10>sort of if you use the Egyptian system.

584
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, aren't you kind of all about mott in no

585
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:37.240
<v Speaker 3>sense jin?

586
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

587
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 10>I mapped it to a contrac goddess called Kurra Kula

588
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:44.880
<v Speaker 10>who wields a bow and arrow, but she's very It's

589
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:47.160
<v Speaker 10>a very similar kind of idea. And for me, I

590
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 10>put it on Path twenty two, so the lamed path

591
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 10>because I said the keyword, because obviously Curly didn't give

592
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 10>a keyword, so I said that, Actually the keyword is

593
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.599
<v Speaker 10>not what Frederichad said, which is ahava, or what Nema said,

594
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<v Speaker 10>which is so. So I said, it's lamed. Me'm delette,

595
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:04.000
<v Speaker 10>which you and I have talked about many times. Second,

596
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.200
<v Speaker 10>it's obviously love is the cause of knowledge, so love

597
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 10>is the way to take you all the way to die. Sorry,

598
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 10>I didn't mean to like big up myself. It just

599
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 10>was the that is the that is sort of the

600
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 10>owner the daughter like in a nutshell, that's the cabala

601
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 10>that we did for the great lunch, like all four

602
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 10>of us.

603
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 5>You have to look into that.

604
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what I'm trying to think else too? Uh? Did

605
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 2>you ever get into the hexagram me?

606
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:35.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

607
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:41.519
<v Speaker 4>You, Judith, Yes, I haven't got I never got into that.

608
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.559
<v Speaker 4>That's usually when I stepped away a little, when I

609
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 4>when I got stuck in the Malcoo's like I told you,

610
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 4>and I had a certain I have a strict rule.

611
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 4>If things aren't completely correct, I can't say perfect. I

612
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 4>don't progress. I try to fix what's going on because

613
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.200
<v Speaker 4>it's usually a sign. It's like a danger sign to

614
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:09.079
<v Speaker 4>me if you're you're not in the right mindset.

615
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 5>That so I do want to.

616
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.440
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to play with the hexagram a little, but

617
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 4>unfortunately life got in the way.

618
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.480
<v Speaker 2>No I could understand that.

619
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:20.759
<v Speaker 3>Nice.

620
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was just wondering, did you ever do the

621
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 2>star Ruby I love? Oh, okay, start.

622
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 3>All right, that's impressive. Nice, nice, Okay, that.

623
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.119
<v Speaker 11>But it's been years.

624
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:36.680
<v Speaker 5>It's been years.

625
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, plus it's in fucking what Greek?

626
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, So for like me, i'd have to like.

627
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Read, I probably have to go watch a video and

628
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>actually see someone do it to like be able to

629
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 2>spurt all of it out. Yeah.

630
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 4>I think I think there's there's a document. I think

631
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 4>there's a PDF somewhere where it breaks it all down

632
00:29:58.119 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 4>for you.

633
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there's a few about the actually yeah, yeah,

634
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.279
<v Speaker 2>that's how I learned it too. It was through out

635
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 2>the book and the videos. But yeah, I was just wondering.

636
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess I was almost positive that you actually like did, like,

637
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, did ritual work like circles.

638
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 3>I used that everybody.

639
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 4>Does to be seriously into ritual work, but I approached

640
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 4>it as if like a scientist doing experiments.

641
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I know what you mean, though, so I

642
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 2>know exactly what you mean. There was even times it

643
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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know what I'm gonna work with this,

644
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<v Speaker 2>just this, I don't know. I guess to try it

645
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<v Speaker 2>out right, like it's a sphere on the tree, isn't it. Yeah,

646
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<v Speaker 2>I mean I know it kind of sounds like careless,

647
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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know.

648
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<v Speaker 12>And then when you do that and you can have

649
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<v Speaker 12>both like the logic emotion thing like Jupiters, then it

650
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<v Speaker 12>gets It's fascinating because because then you have the basis, right, is.

651
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<v Speaker 11>What I was talking about.

652
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<v Speaker 12>The tarrot experience I can share real quick, but like

653
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<v Speaker 12>in short, I took seventy two weeks of doing a

654
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<v Speaker 12>tarot reading for the week, and then out of those

655
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<v Speaker 12>seventy two twenty four I did it daily, so like

656
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 12>I would do it on Sunday and then I would

657
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<v Speaker 12>do the week one and then Monday, the daily one, Tuesday,

658
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<v Speaker 12>Wednesday and soso so on, and then I had everything

659
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 12>and I was always like trying to note down the synchronicities,

660
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 12>how would that relate to how.

661
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<v Speaker 11>I understand the Terrordansson. But what was.

662
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<v Speaker 12>Fascinating is that by the end of it, the seventy

663
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<v Speaker 12>second week, I got all of them into like a

664
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<v Speaker 12>data thing, and then I made a dashboard to understand. Okay,

665
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<v Speaker 12>for example, what were the ones that I got the

666
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<v Speaker 12>most out of the top four. I got four court cards,

667
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 12>which were the first one being the when you match

668
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.480
<v Speaker 12>when you make the mapping would be my moon sign,

669
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<v Speaker 12>my astrology moon sign, the second one my son signed.

670
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<v Speaker 11>The third one the element.

671
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<v Speaker 12>That I have the least and it was a page,

672
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<v Speaker 12>and then the other one my ascended like my rising sign.

673
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<v Speaker 12>When I saw that, I was what the fuck? Because

674
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<v Speaker 12>what are the odds you know? Of all those cards

675
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 12>and then those be exactly the ones for my map.

676
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.960
<v Speaker 12>I even run some math afterwards with the help of

677
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.799
<v Speaker 12>AI to understand it, and it was like one in

678
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 12>fifty two million or something for my chart to be

679
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.880
<v Speaker 12>my chart and those cards to be the cards that

680
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.880
<v Speaker 12>dot out. So when you have that, it's kind of

681
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<v Speaker 12>hard to say, Okay, it's not connected somehow to something right,

682
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 12>that there is something there And that's even to me,

683
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.119
<v Speaker 12>that's just the chair on the top, because when you

684
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<v Speaker 12>take into account the synchronicities that happen, and I'm using character,

685
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 12>you can use any other definition too, you can even

686
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 12>create one.

687
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 11>It doesn't matter.

688
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.759
<v Speaker 12>As long as it's based on the tree than anything works.

689
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 12>But when you notice the synchronicity is then it's crazy,

690
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.599
<v Speaker 12>like you just see how there are many more things

691
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 12>happening in this reality that our five senses cannot just

692
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<v Speaker 12>catch it.

693
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:51.519
<v Speaker 11>You know, you have to.

694
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<v Speaker 12>Really think more broadly, more abstractly, and Swanen being a

695
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 12>scientist about it definitely helps make sense of it all

696
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 12>at least a little bit so, And I completely agree

697
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<v Speaker 12>with what Nick and the others were talking about how

698
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 12>more and more like technology and so on, it will

699
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.880
<v Speaker 12>be a thing more so than you know, what we

700
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 12>had past AONs. And you can see that happening like

701
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<v Speaker 12>everywhere right, Like you can see, for example, there are

702
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 12>many things going on, many technology is going out that

703
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 12>kind of not disprove but make it really hard for

704
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.400
<v Speaker 12>you to be a hardcore religious like, oh, I just

705
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.480
<v Speaker 12>believe the mythology because there's like literally a tool that

706
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.160
<v Speaker 12>will do the thing that the mythology was saying. Oh,

707
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 12>it's all mystical. It's like, bro, there's literally a tool.

708
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 12>Like now we understand more or less how it works.

709
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 12>Sometimes it's like a black box, but we kind of

710
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 12>know how it works, so it's not really, you know,

711
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 12>like something mystical from the outside of this one. So

712
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 12>it's really fascinating to see. And the more like, because

713
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 12>I work with technology, the more you see.

714
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:54.680
<v Speaker 11>It, the.

715
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 12>Crazier it gets. Sometimes we got to step down sometimes

716
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 12>round ourselves.

717
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.640
<v Speaker 11>But three nice.

718
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Thank you man. Oh so uh headless or general whoever.

719
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't anybody got an idea of uh what we

720
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 2>were saying, we're gonna talk about instead. I think we

721
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.119
<v Speaker 2>could talk about her book. That's fun.

722
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 3>She didn't even have to come here and now we're

723
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 3>promoting it. See that's even another thing you hear that

724
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I get.

725
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, well, maybe not listening to it anymore, but

726
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she was listening to make sure I didn't

727
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>shuttle over Georgina Rose. If you still listen, I mean, look,

728
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.559
<v Speaker 2>come on, Jen even read your book.

729
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 9>Come on, you know hop in here?

730
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you still got the link.

731
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:41.360
<v Speaker 9>Come on, I wanted to nerd out on astrology.

732
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I know that was you know, I loved the planetary magic.

733
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:46.840
<v Speaker 2>That was my fucking thing and all I would assign

734
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>it to the Tree of Life. So I was like, oh,

735
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.199
<v Speaker 2>planetary theorgy. I got plenty of experience at myself.

736
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like, let's go.

737
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the fuck are really I don't

738
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 2>understand that.

739
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you, did you.

740
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Watch the show before? You said yes?

741
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.719
<v Speaker 10>Well, I'll give her props in one way is that

742
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 10>she actually correctly recognized that the planetary names are the

743
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 10>outermost density of the cepha, so the planets themselves are

744
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.760
<v Speaker 10>actually kleep us, which, of course, if you watch Rejects

745
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.719
<v Speaker 10>or if you watch The Gray Lodge, or if you

746
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 10>listen to my show, you know that I agree with this.

747
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.239
<v Speaker 10>So I have to say, like, I'm not like a

748
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 10>huge fan. I barely even knew who she was before

749
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.440
<v Speaker 10>Nick told me. But that's actually impressive in and of itself,

750
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.679
<v Speaker 10>because that is kind of a fundamental problem that a

751
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 10>lot of people who consider themselves like magicians or pagans

752
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.559
<v Speaker 10>or anything that's A big mistake that a lot of

753
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.719
<v Speaker 10>them make is they think the planets themselves are these

754
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 10>kinds of rulers, these fixed rulers of destiny. But I

755
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 10>think astrology is a lot more as Matt said in Flux,

756
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 10>and I think that we are much more agential, and

757
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.119
<v Speaker 10>I think we are much more agential in our own wills.

758
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 10>And I think that's also what the AON is about.

759
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 10>The new AON. It's about recognizing that not necessarily that

760
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 10>we're more like free of the demiurge or whatever cosmology

761
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 10>you want to use, but that we can actually say

762
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 10>in perception, like we actually are free to choose our

763
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 10>own destiny and we don't have to be like, your

764
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 10>chart is not who you are. It's just an indication

765
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 10>of your karmas. It's not fixed. And if you need

766
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:35.119
<v Speaker 10>proof of that, just study TNTRA because tntraposits an ontological

767
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 10>solution for all astrological concerns.

768
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:39.039
<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

769
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I would say fate changes, but necessity doesn't.

770
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<v Speaker 2>I'm still trying to think about the clip of being

771
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:58.760
<v Speaker 2>the planets. I mean, I do think there's interesting way

772
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 2>to look at it, but like even like milanetary energy,

773
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:03.480
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, like that would be kind of like one

774
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.360
<v Speaker 2>of the lowest forms really going by other things.

775
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.440
<v Speaker 3>So, I mean, I guess I could see, like I

776
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 3>see where you're going.

777
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.239
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's it's not it's above that you would have,

778
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, archangel order of angels. So I mean, I

779
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.800
<v Speaker 2>guess it's really I mean it's not that you see,

780
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.119
<v Speaker 2>I see where I guess I can see where you're

781
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>going with that to an extent, Well.

782
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 10>It's very Hebrew, right, So maybe that's why it's like

783
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Speaker 10>it's different in a way because the suffer are empty,

784
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.000
<v Speaker 10>so they're more and much more like stars. I'm not

785
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.679
<v Speaker 10>saying they are stars, but that is how to think

786
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 10>of them as empty. So a planet that is composed

787
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 10>of gravity densities, just like a sufferer, it has ice

788
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 10>aggregation from the rock all the gases likes.

789
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Is gravity fucked already?

790
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

791
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 3>The game over?

792
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 9>I think into form art archetypes, right, they're like but

793
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 9>some stuff I know, like some people relate some of

794
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 9>them to planets, but not all of them are related

795
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.519
<v Speaker 9>to a planet. And then yeah, if you believe in

796
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 9>the hierarchy with angels, the archangels, I mean typically those

797
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 9>are associated with the different planets, and it's like there's

798
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 9>like the planetary forces and then there's like the actual

799
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:33.320
<v Speaker 9>causality of how those forces play out or the actual

800
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<v Speaker 9>decisions made, or you could almost say like the algorithmic

801
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 9>part that tips things one way or the other. Like

802
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 9>I feel like usually that's associated with the archangels assigned

803
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:54.119
<v Speaker 9>to each planet. But you know that is like highly debated,

804
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:59.559
<v Speaker 9>where like some neoplatonists believe in that concept, in that hierarchy,

805
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 9>but like the Stoics, for example, wouldn't they don't think that,

806
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 9>like the archangels are like unnecessary part of metaphysics.

807
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it depends.

808
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<v Speaker 10>I think that, you know, like I like Ramak, I

809
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 10>like Rabbi Cordovero, I like even Rabbi Larrius, I like

810
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:26.239
<v Speaker 10>all the kind of.

811
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:28.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a.

812
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 10>Hermetic Kabala guy, so that is perhaps the difference. Is

813
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 10>I'm really like a I hate to shout him out again, Nick,

814
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 10>but it's a David Heimsmith kind of thing. Like i

815
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 10>approach Kabala in a more Hebrew way, but I'm not Jewish,

816
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 10>and I'm also like a Buddhist, so it makes more

817
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.719
<v Speaker 10>sense to me to approach it in a nondual and

818
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 10>non theistic way. So I agree that the sepher are

819
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 10>not archetypes per se, but there are archetypes within, bundled

820
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.239
<v Speaker 10>into the conceptual ideas, just like there are colors superficial density,

821
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<v Speaker 10>and then there are inner more colors. That's how I

822
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.760
<v Speaker 10>relate to the suffer the most, is with colors and

823
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<v Speaker 10>names or words if you prefer.

824
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<v Speaker 9>So.

825
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<v Speaker 10>The urt Changels are not the rulers of the planets

826
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<v Speaker 10>in the Jewish system.

827
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<v Speaker 1>They're just associated with the suffer.

828
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<v Speaker 10>But the planets themselves have their own planetary rulers, planetary

829
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<v Speaker 10>hosts of the planetary God.

830
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's even like, was it the Olympic? The Olympic

831
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.039
<v Speaker 2>spirits might actually sound like that when they're described. There's

832
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<v Speaker 2>a there's other I didn't even realize that there is

833
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<v Speaker 2>other other planetary associations. That does make it sound like

834
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 2>they're ruling over something. But yeah, the regular Medica Bella,

835
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<v Speaker 2>the way you're talking about it does. They're just like

836
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<v Speaker 2>associated with it. It's almost like that person's character fits

837
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:48.559
<v Speaker 2>what we're trying to tell you. Here's what you're.

838
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 11>Trying to say, an example, an example of a good footballer.

839
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<v Speaker 11>You're going to say like Bill or I'll do whatever, But.

840
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<v Speaker 12>Then you wouldn't necessarily say that they are just that

841
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<v Speaker 12>they are still like men and human and fathers and

842
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 12>whatever or whatever, like their older things as well. Or

843
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<v Speaker 12>there could be other people that do what they do

844
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 12>but in like a worst way, so they wouldn't be

845
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<v Speaker 12>the best example for you to give for other peoples.

846
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<v Speaker 10>Of comment in the chat, sorry about Pico how we

847
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 10>found like a Christian truth inside Kabbalah.

848
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I also agree with that.

849
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.119
<v Speaker 10>To be honest, I'm not a Christian and I'm not

850
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.639
<v Speaker 10>going to be Christian, but I'm just saying that there

851
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 10>is an if you want to call ann of the sun,

852
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<v Speaker 10>there's an an of the a a kind of of

853
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 10>the sun truth in Kabala like you can prove, like

854
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.719
<v Speaker 10>you can prove, there's like a teperatic consciousness that you

855
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 10>can rise up to, just like the universal hexagram. That's

856
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.360
<v Speaker 10>really what it's referring to. And then if you have

857
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 10>your strong enough will, you can pass through. But it

858
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Speaker 10>takes a prepared heart, a gilded heart. Maybe I don't know.

859
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you know what I've noticed. I found it interesting.

860
00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 2>One time I was like looking at a like a

861
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>document where it was showing like I think it was

862
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.679
<v Speaker 2>like NASA had a problem with their mirrors. Yeah, in

863
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the in the in the telescope, the Hubbard telescope, something

864
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:11.840
<v Speaker 2>went off on their mirrors and then they decided to

865
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 2>show a diagram about how the mirrors are supposed to reflect,

866
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's a universal like sagram. I was like, that's

867
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:22.679
<v Speaker 2>fucking If I found it, I'll send it to you.

868
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 15>Yeah.

869
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I look for it after the show and I

870
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, And you know, Crowley didn't come up

871
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 2>with that either, right, Yeah, he didn't actually invent that.

872
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Somebody else did.

873
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:36.960
<v Speaker 5>No, it wasn't that. What didn't that come from the

874
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 5>Golden Dot?

875
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.039
<v Speaker 3>No, it was prior to that. It's like eighteen hundreds.

876
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 2>I think this guy guy did it.

877
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a lot of people think he

878
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:45.559
<v Speaker 3>came over with it.

879
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 2>He actually did. Yeah, but uh yeah, it was interesting.

880
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I just figured i'd tell you that this is another

881
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:53.280
<v Speaker 2>interesting fun factor.

882
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 4>So you know, I'm a type of person who once

883
00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:59.280
<v Speaker 4>I hear it, I have to look it up and

884
00:42:59.320 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 4>I have.

885
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.039
<v Speaker 2>To re look at it. But h Jen, I kind

886
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.519
<v Speaker 2>of understand a little bit where you're going with that.

887
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I could see it's a very interesting way

888
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 2>to look at it.

889
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.280
<v Speaker 3>It's no, it's a little different, you know. No, it

890
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 3>is no for sure, but I mean I.

891
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Guess gnostic, a little neo gnostic.

892
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm putting yeah, No, I guess yeah, But I mean

893
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess like the way I always say, like I think,

894
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 2>once you put in the form, you're kind of screwed.

895
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it doesn't sound great for being a human,

896
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:26.559
<v Speaker 3>I guess.

897
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.519
<v Speaker 2>But like if if I look at it that way,

898
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.519
<v Speaker 2>I guess the planet's put into the phone like it's

899
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:32.119
<v Speaker 2>screwed too.

900
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 10>Well, this is going to be followed away from God.

901
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 10>I mean, you're right, but there I think that. Like

902
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.159
<v Speaker 10>what why I asked them Judith the middle pillar question

903
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 10>right at the front was because this actually is all

904
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 10>rectifiable in the middle pillar, Like you don't take extremes

905
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 10>of like going say, oh I'm an antibody gnostic or

906
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 10>I'm a hedonist kind of gnostic where you're just like

907
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.199
<v Speaker 10>enjoying the earthly pleasures. You're actually like moderating yourself in

908
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 10>your own mind, so like in Yasode in the nine.

909
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 10>So if you're able to do that, then you're going

910
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 10>to be able to climb the tree a lot more easily,

911
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 10>in my opinion. That's just my opinion. But I'm just

912
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 10>I think that that makes sense. But you don't want

913
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 10>to also be like I have a lot of Hebrew

914
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:20.199
<v Speaker 10>Cabbala friends like that are Jewish, like ascetic Jewish, and

915
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.440
<v Speaker 10>so they they tend to stay at Yesoda consciousness. I'm

916
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.400
<v Speaker 10>not putting them down. They're extremely brilliant people, physicists and mathematicians,

917
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 10>but they tend to stay at esdic consciousness. When I

918
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 10>say at yesodic consciousness, I get depressed. I have to

919
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 10>be a little more dynamic than that, just for me,

920
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:40.000
<v Speaker 10>because everybody's a little different, right, everybody's like has their

921
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.079
<v Speaker 10>own bullshit, their own aggregations. So for me, I have

922
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 10>to like travel the tree a little more frequently than

923
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.039
<v Speaker 10>just like stay at yasode and you know, be a receptor.

924
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.760
<v Speaker 10>So I like to actually be kind of free, if

925
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 10>you want to call that. So of course I'm going

926
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 10>to push the a little more of a transgressive not

927
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.239
<v Speaker 10>transgressive necessarily, but it's it's definitely I'm more ra a.

928
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Call idea of the planets.

929
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 10>This is true in Tantra though, that the planets are

930
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 10>minor arcons, not greater arcons. They're not they're and they're

931
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 10>definitely not in control of our destiny. That's how we

932
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.280
<v Speaker 10>would think of it. But we're a very free agent.

933
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 10>Like TNTRA has a very free agency kind of idea

934
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 10>like religious framework, So it's not going to perfectly map onto.

935
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:24.840
<v Speaker 10>I know that there's the book on Hollenic TNTRA and

936
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.400
<v Speaker 10>like we can have a whole ten shows on that.

937
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Speaker 10>But you know, for us, like a more central Asian view,

938
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:34.400
<v Speaker 10>you're very free. It's but it's all about choices, and

939
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 10>then that is your causality. That is what makes your

940
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 10>karma is your choices. Right now, even in your mind.

941
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:48.159
<v Speaker 9>I somewhat agree, because you know, that's why Prometheus kind

942
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 9>of stole that fire to give us that free will,

943
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.000
<v Speaker 9>and that kind of pissed Zeus off because then we

944
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 9>did have the free will to make our own choices,

945
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:09.039
<v Speaker 9>and you know, the cosmos, the gods no longer had

946
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:11.599
<v Speaker 9>full power over us.

947
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 10>One hundred percent is Prometheus rising, Jason Georgeohnny, come on,

948
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 10>I'll call Rey checks and threshold saints.

949
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 12>And then imagine when that happens again. Because history is

950
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.239
<v Speaker 12>cyclical with the AI agents and stuff.

951
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.920
<v Speaker 11>So we think beyond them.

952
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 12>Them, but at some point they're just that they control

953
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.880
<v Speaker 12>themselves and news of themselves, and what beck are you

954
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:39.239
<v Speaker 12>gonna do?

955
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 11>We're gonna do that.

956
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Sort of lose that. Man, hell, has you got anything?

957
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:48.159
<v Speaker 2>There's gotta be something going on in that US.

958
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:49.519
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

959
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.159
<v Speaker 8>I want to know did this Hellenic contra come out

960
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 8>of Hellenic Buddhism, because there was a time period in

961
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:01.079
<v Speaker 8>the uh uh era after Alexander where they actually had

962
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.199
<v Speaker 8>a fusion between Buddhist and Hellenic cultures. I didn't know

963
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 8>if that was actually related.

964
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 1>It's a new book.

965
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 10>I saw a PD Newman promoting it. I've read it someone.

966
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 10>I think Gregory Peter is actually recommended. I read it,

967
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 10>so it's not. Actually it's an interesting question what you're positing, Like,

968
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:20.800
<v Speaker 10>was there a Gandharvian Buddhism.

969
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I actually think you heard of it, So yeah, I

970
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:24.920
<v Speaker 1>just no, I think you.

971
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.559
<v Speaker 10>Can actually make a case for a Gandharan Buddhism, like

972
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.920
<v Speaker 10>in northern Afghanistan, and like, I don't think that there

973
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 10>was Hellenic per se, but I think it was deeply

974
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:37.840
<v Speaker 10>influenced by certain Hellenic ideas that were like left over

975
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:41.920
<v Speaker 10>in the like Afghanistan, kind of cultural region the Gandhara.

976
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 10>So I agree actually Helpless that I think it's it exists,

977
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 10>but has there been like massive scholarship on it now.

978
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.760
<v Speaker 10>But someone wrote a book and they basically were looking

979
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 10>at the Mediterranean basin and then they just called it tantra.

980
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.400
<v Speaker 10>But I think that fundamentally misunderstands what tantra is. Tantra's

981
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:04.320
<v Speaker 10>like very specifically essentral Asian formations for the very simple

982
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Speaker 10>fact that it posits the center of the world as Kashmir.

983
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.159
<v Speaker 10>So if you understand that, you'll understand why it focuses

984
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 10>towards that region. Like all the all the ideas, it says,

985
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.519
<v Speaker 10>this is where it's coming from, even if it's syncretic,

986
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.239
<v Speaker 10>it's coming from here. It's not looking at Greece and saying, oh,

987
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 10>this is where it comes from. But there's absolutely like

988
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:31.679
<v Speaker 10>a Mahayana tradition, like Nick showing right now, grecopodism right there.

989
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 12>So I.

990
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 9>Had a question because I guess if you're coming from

991
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 9>it as the planets are Arkhans, then does that make

992
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 9>you anti order? I mean, does that make you anti mad?

993
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:58.000
<v Speaker 10>No, because I position it on the this is for me,

994
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:02.199
<v Speaker 10>eros is I always poss on the paths. So by

995
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Speaker 10>saying that, I'm saying you have to bring it into materialization.

996
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 10>You have to bring it into pragmatism. You have to

997
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.320
<v Speaker 10>bring it into the real world. You can't just exist

998
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.519
<v Speaker 10>in like the greater Aonic concepts like look at Croley.

999
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Speaker 10>I'm not putting it down like I've I've come a

1000
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.400
<v Speaker 10>long way in my evolution of like understanding of Tolemic

1001
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 10>ideas and Crowley and all of that. But I think

1002
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.199
<v Speaker 10>that it's important that the Aon arises because they un

1003
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 10>first of all, rises in your own mind, not some skyfairy.

1004
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 10>But number two that I think it's important that arises

1005
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:35.679
<v Speaker 10>on the paths, because we are of the paths. So

1006
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 10>Theon should walk with us, or we should walk with

1007
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.400
<v Speaker 10>however you want to phrase that we should walk with

1008
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:44.920
<v Speaker 10>the Aon rather than you know, uh, it's it's not

1009
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:46.920
<v Speaker 10>just like a celestial being, but of course it can

1010
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.719
<v Speaker 10>also be right. I'm not saying it it's not. I'm

1011
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.559
<v Speaker 10>just saying that we should like make it of a reality.

1012
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:56.639
<v Speaker 10>So like if her themes are like justice, balance, fairness,

1013
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.320
<v Speaker 10>like all of these kinds of things, that that those

1014
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.480
<v Speaker 10>then are the Iomic ideals, So I don't know if

1015
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.960
<v Speaker 10>that directly answers your question, but I'm I'm very pro

1016
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 10>mod obviously, but I'm I would say I'm anti arconic,

1017
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:16.920
<v Speaker 10>so maybe a syncretic nastic in a way.

1018
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:24.760
<v Speaker 9>I come from the belief that it's just best to

1019
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:35.400
<v Speaker 9>align to the cosmic order. But I love hearing other

1020
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.320
<v Speaker 9>people's thoughts on it.

1021
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Do you know you've into a lot of planetary stuff,

1022
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.840
<v Speaker 2>So I obviously was planetary theory, so I figured I

1023
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 2>just said.

1024
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.559
<v Speaker 10>No, it's a great question, because I think there's so

1025
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.440
<v Speaker 10>much to be learned from. Like obviously, when we've done

1026
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:55.320
<v Speaker 10>shows on it in the past, I've talked about like

1027
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:59.079
<v Speaker 10>my early experiences of being like thirteen fourteen reading Agrippa

1028
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.559
<v Speaker 10>or reading the Greater and Lesser Keys, and how I

1029
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:05.079
<v Speaker 10>would play with all the planetary seals, like obviously from

1030
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.480
<v Speaker 10>a more chaot sort of perspective of like, let's figure

1031
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 10>out how to like retechno, like reformulate the technology so

1032
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.760
<v Speaker 10>I don't have to, like, as we used to call it,

1033
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.760
<v Speaker 10>dress up and larp, and so I always was interested

1034
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:21.400
<v Speaker 10>in the planetary things, So I think that actually laid

1035
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:25.880
<v Speaker 10>the groundwork for me to have later sepharatic experiences. But

1036
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.800
<v Speaker 10>I don't necessarily think that doing the planetary magic was

1037
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 10>Like if I could go back and change it, I

1038
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.639
<v Speaker 10>would have actually told my younger self to study Kabala

1039
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:38.079
<v Speaker 10>if I'm being honest.

1040
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I wish I studied it earlier.

1041
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:44.440
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, rather than do planetary magic, because planetary magic is

1042
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:47.639
<v Speaker 10>actually it's the first principle sort of, but it's also

1043
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 10>sort of complicated, and it's about, like you and I

1044
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.159
<v Speaker 10>have talked about this so many times, like, desire is

1045
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 10>not the same as will, and when you're like seventeen,

1046
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 10>you do things of desire that you think is your will.

1047
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:04.719
<v Speaker 10>And I wish I just would have been more grown

1048
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.880
<v Speaker 10>up in my personal appraisal of it. So it's not

1049
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.880
<v Speaker 10>like I dislike planetary magic, but I just think I

1050
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:10.719
<v Speaker 10>got lost in it.

1051
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 1>So people can do as they will, as Jus said.

1052
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.400
<v Speaker 10>So brilliantly, like that is kind of my theme too,

1053
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:18.480
<v Speaker 10>like as I well, but you know, just in my perspective,

1054
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.920
<v Speaker 10>I just wish I could have gone back and like

1055
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 10>shaken myself and been like, you need to figure out

1056
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.280
<v Speaker 10>what your will actually is and it's not the same

1057
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:27.239
<v Speaker 10>as like your desire.

1058
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh you beauty to you if you're trying to say

1059
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 3>anything you don't know.

1060
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:36.599
<v Speaker 5>I said that that is very true.

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00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:43.079
<v Speaker 6>People mistake their will for their wants, and that's where

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00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.960
<v Speaker 6>we tend to misstep when dealing with iron magic.

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00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 3>I totally agree with that.

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00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:53.679
<v Speaker 9>True free will is what brings suffering to some extent.

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00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Hello's we you went to planetary stuff? No, not really, Okay,

1066
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 2>you're into theogy.

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00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.119
<v Speaker 8>Uh well, different forms of meditation, yeah, hypnosis and that

1068
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:07.760
<v Speaker 8>kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So nice.

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00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I know, I was just wondering if I could get

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00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.119
<v Speaker 2>you in on some planetary shit.

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00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 8>But well, certainly can write a guide of meditation using

1073
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.920
<v Speaker 8>you know, hypnosis and all of the imagery from planetary

1074
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:26.960
<v Speaker 8>stuff to kind of imbue a little bit of that energy.

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00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.960
<v Speaker 8>I think it changes a perspective. Right when you're bringing

1076
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:35.039
<v Speaker 8>different planetary energies into your life, it automatically has a

1077
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 8>shift in perception that goes along with it. So once

1078
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.559
<v Speaker 8>you start to identify that, you can you can better

1079
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 8>you know, understand maybe a better path to go down.

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00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:48.159
<v Speaker 8>But you know, there's there's lots of different affects that

1081
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:53.880
<v Speaker 8>go along with sort of extended periods of meditation or

1082
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:55.800
<v Speaker 8>you know, magical practice.

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00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.719
<v Speaker 3>H yeah, even the uh.

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00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Even like I was even saying like even colors and

1085
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff to make a difference, Like even like I noticed

1086
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.920
<v Speaker 2>how on that thing that I was covering the colors

1087
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:13.760
<v Speaker 2>that like some of them, like even when I was

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00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 2>going over like kind of like how they looked at

1089
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 2>in science, it was like this almost kind of matches

1090
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.239
<v Speaker 2>how the colors looked at like if you threw it

1091
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 2>on a several you know, or like what is match

1092
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.360
<v Speaker 2>with planetary its Like it's kind of interesting. It's almost

1093
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.039
<v Speaker 2>like a thing that just was cross culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:34.400
<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, all these different societies would have this huge like

1096
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 8>cabinet of references that they would plug into all the

1097
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.119
<v Speaker 8>different planets, all the different I mean, this was how

1098
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 8>they made associations in the world. It was all through

1099
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.760
<v Speaker 8>observing these similarities and then classifying them using that kind

1100
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 8>of observational method. And that's how they got to know

1101
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:56.519
<v Speaker 8>the spirits. It's a very superficial process. But getting to

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00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:58.880
<v Speaker 8>know the spirits in the meantime, so it's the outer

1103
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.800
<v Speaker 8>and the inner life of of everything sort of. It's

1104
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 8>it's kind of energetic flavor.

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00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's like intuitive dialectic and then if you really

1106
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 9>get alchemical with it, you know, then it can almost

1107
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:25.199
<v Speaker 9>feel like uh, even prima materia. You know, it's all astrological,

1108
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 9>it's all all metaphysics is kind of tied to the

1109
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:37.280
<v Speaker 9>twelve and too the four into the three and.

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<v Speaker 7>Something I just learned recently.

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00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.480
<v Speaker 14>Through the Occult rejects Nick forgive me what is his

1112
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:49.800
<v Speaker 14>last name, Jamie.

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00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.159
<v Speaker 3>Jimmie pol Yeah, Jimmie Polan.

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00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:58.000
<v Speaker 14>He shared a word that I have never heard before,

1115
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:02.119
<v Speaker 14>but it really leads, I think, to me at least

1116
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:04.000
<v Speaker 14>a fuller understanding of magic.

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00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.719
<v Speaker 7>Uh, symthemata Is that right?

1118
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:06.960
<v Speaker 5>Is it?

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00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.679
<v Speaker 7>Am I saying it correctly? Do you remember that word?

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<v Speaker 9>They say sympathia sometimes like the platon Yeah, sympathia, cosmic.

1121
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:25.840
<v Speaker 7>Club, thank you else.

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00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:28.880
<v Speaker 14>I just thought that was such a great way to

1123
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:34.199
<v Speaker 14>understand the coordination and the relationships and bringing together all

1124
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:38.840
<v Speaker 14>these things that are in alignment with the pursuit of

1125
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:45.199
<v Speaker 14>the whatever magic you're you're putting forth right, So that

1126
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:47.880
<v Speaker 14>was a great word. And I couldn't remember maybe it

1127
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.320
<v Speaker 14>was synthamata here, but we could have been something something different.

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00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.440
<v Speaker 7>It's the same thing. It's the same thing.

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00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.800
<v Speaker 8>That's the Greek version, and she was using a love version.

1130
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:06.159
<v Speaker 9>I actually might have that open in my timis right now.

1131
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:16.360
<v Speaker 14>Uh, helped me understand some things that I've been intuitively pursuing.

1132
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:19.440
<v Speaker 14>But he put it in that concrete term that really

1133
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 14>you know, made it made it a stream of sense,

1134
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:24.519
<v Speaker 14>sensible approach.

1135
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:26.639
<v Speaker 1>That was three syncredicities.

1136
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:33.000
<v Speaker 9>Actually, the video that I'm putting out, uh, I'm I'm

1137
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:40.440
<v Speaker 9>starting it out by explaining sympathia and cosmic order because

1138
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:43.960
<v Speaker 9>it seems like you have to in order to to

1139
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:49.440
<v Speaker 9>then contrast it with chaos and stuff like that. But yeah,

1140
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:56.880
<v Speaker 9>it's it's uh, it's the ideal forms and base pieces

1141
00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 9>of matter. So like the four elements and then obviously

1142
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:09.480
<v Speaker 9>the three the soul for mercury and help me out headless,

1143
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 9>so thank you, yes, or those also correspond to the soul,

1144
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:24.159
<v Speaker 9>spirit and body, and so it's just like yeah, basically

1145
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:30.159
<v Speaker 9>these ideal or yeah, these base parts. So then this

1146
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 9>idea almost like everything is happening at once. It's just

1147
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:36.519
<v Speaker 9>unfolding into.

1148
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 10>Free body problem. That's what we call them, Buddhism tree kayah,

1149
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:43.079
<v Speaker 10>three body problem. All things are all that's happening at

1150
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:50.360
<v Speaker 10>one time, but you perceive them in the three worlds. Yeah,

1151
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.320
<v Speaker 10>well we're obviously we're nondual, right, so we have a

1152
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:57.000
<v Speaker 10>totally different ontological ideas.

1153
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Of the world.

1154
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.079
<v Speaker 10>But I just wanted to like go back to that

1155
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.760
<v Speaker 10>thing that you were asking a little bit before, and

1156
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.280
<v Speaker 10>I wondered if you were familiar with a Gnostic figure

1157
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.320
<v Speaker 10>called Nuria, and she's a prominent character in the Epinoia

1158
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 10>of Nuria. And so in the way that I sort

1159
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 10>of formulated with obviously not just me, but in the

1160
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:17.400
<v Speaker 10>gray Lodge that we did, it is that we said

1161
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<v Speaker 10>that the Aon could also be compared to this Gnostic Aon,

1162
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:27.400
<v Speaker 10>and so she actually is kind of God's daughter, but

1163
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 10>it's not really, that's not really the story. But the

1164
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:33.000
<v Speaker 10>idea is that she actually burns the arcs of the

1165
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:36.920
<v Speaker 10>Arkons down. And one of the important stories in her

1166
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.280
<v Speaker 10>gospel is that the angels who are of the lesser

1167
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:43.719
<v Speaker 10>they're considered lesser angels, but in the.

1168
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Gnostic cosmology they're actually higher angels.

1169
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 10>So they tell her that everything that the Arkons tell

1170
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.239
<v Speaker 10>you is a lie because it's just in your mind.

1171
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:53.440
<v Speaker 1>It's just like delusions.

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00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 10>And so the way to cut through the bullshit is

1173
00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:01.159
<v Speaker 10>to just say, like everything that is not at that

1174
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 10>sort of place of pristine awareness or like Rigpa or

1175
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.400
<v Speaker 10>diamond thunder, or however you want to describe it, sort

1176
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 10>of like that prime consciousness.

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01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:10.679
<v Speaker 2>The fifth.

1178
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.719
<v Speaker 10>The space you could say, Akasha. If it's not there,

1179
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:19.599
<v Speaker 10>then it's arconic. So it's not I'm not like I said,

1180
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 10>I'm not. I don't posit it as like order v. Chaos.

1181
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:25.480
<v Speaker 10>I think it's an interplay, and I think it's like

1182
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:29.079
<v Speaker 10>a synthesis as well as a rectification. And I think

1183
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.079
<v Speaker 10>that we should always This is just my idea as

1184
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.239
<v Speaker 10>a cabolysis is not I'm not teaching anyone or saying

1185
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 10>that my idea is the best.

1186
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that.

1187
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:37.880
<v Speaker 10>But I think that when we're in the tree, we

1188
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:42.039
<v Speaker 10>should always try and be dynamic and at both differ anyisode,

1189
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:43.599
<v Speaker 10>and it should be like a die, like you said,

1190
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.760
<v Speaker 10>like a dialectical relationship between those two things, the higher

1191
01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:54.239
<v Speaker 10>and the lower consciousness, the waking and the sleeping mind.

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01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:55.559
<v Speaker 3>Thank you sir.

1193
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Anything else you guys wanted to talk about truth.

1194
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.880
<v Speaker 8>I just think it's kind of interesting how we're approaching

1195
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:14.440
<v Speaker 8>the same sort of consciousness problem on so many different levels,

1196
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.840
<v Speaker 8>and that's like it's representative of occultism. I think so

1197
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:23.199
<v Speaker 8>you've got the standard scientist, which you know, he knows

1198
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.840
<v Speaker 8>how to push one button on the elevator, right, he

1199
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:27.480
<v Speaker 8>knows how to get to that floor, and how to

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01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 8>do his thing. But then you've got the occult scientist

1201
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:33.519
<v Speaker 8>who's always pushing all of the buttons in the elevator

1202
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 8>just to find out what each one of them does

1203
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.639
<v Speaker 8>along the way. And I think that's that's sort of

1204
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:42.119
<v Speaker 8>emblematic of what a lot of the Kabbala stuff really is.

1205
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.599
<v Speaker 8>It's bringing all that stuff together into one synthesis.

1206
01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.760
<v Speaker 9>Yeah. Well, and it's it's interesting too because it's like,

1207
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:53.840
<v Speaker 9>I think there is this big theme in the occult

1208
01:01:53.920 --> 01:02:01.559
<v Speaker 9>of order versus you know, I would say chaos. I

1209
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:05.239
<v Speaker 9>guess where it's like to me if if you take

1210
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:12.960
<v Speaker 9>away the you know, the the order which I associate

1211
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:18.480
<v Speaker 9>with the good, then the cosmos falls apart. But you know,

1212
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:20.840
<v Speaker 9>I do see a lot of these themes in magic

1213
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:25.039
<v Speaker 9>where that is that idea where it's like, you know,

1214
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 9>your subconscious is made up of all of these patterns

1215
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:37.400
<v Speaker 9>because we can't help but you know, do dialectic and

1216
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:44.280
<v Speaker 9>have pattern recognition and notice these different archetypal forces and stuff.

1217
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:49.239
<v Speaker 9>You know, some people are probably closer to it than

1218
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.840
<v Speaker 9>others where they're like, oh yeah, that's so mercurial or

1219
01:02:52.880 --> 01:03:01.280
<v Speaker 9>that's so jubitterarian. But like I noticed Anhalima a lot, right,

1220
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:07.320
<v Speaker 9>the idea is to like break up those patterns, so

1221
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:14.000
<v Speaker 9>like you might do these rituals where it's like almost

1222
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:23.599
<v Speaker 9>purposefully confusing your connection to these patterns, and it like

1223
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:30.239
<v Speaker 9>causes this like disruption in your subconscious that can do

1224
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:34.400
<v Speaker 9>all sorts of things, like it can be psych fragmenting, honestly.

1225
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:39.119
<v Speaker 9>But his idea was like you either awaken from that

1226
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:46.199
<v Speaker 9>and rebuild it, I guess on your own, or you

1227
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.639
<v Speaker 9>go insane. But I guess he did have like this

1228
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:57.159
<v Speaker 9>argument also that insanity is necessary to cross the abyss.

1229
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:01.800
<v Speaker 3>So it is I think right at it? H right,

1230
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:03.840
<v Speaker 3>So do you even think like this is insane?

1231
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:07.840
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean what you're saying now eros like in

1232
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:10.239
<v Speaker 10>the latter part of your comment, I totally agree with.

1233
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.719
<v Speaker 10>I don't think that the order is inherently good. I

1234
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.159
<v Speaker 10>don't think chaos is inherently evil. I take a very

1235
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:19.679
<v Speaker 10>nondual view, so I know this is very different. I

1236
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 10>know this is much more Buddhist, more contric I get

1237
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:25.840
<v Speaker 10>that I'm not saying my view is the right way.

1238
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.800
<v Speaker 10>I'm just saying for my system, this is the right way.

1239
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.599
<v Speaker 10>So for me, I take it as a middle path,

1240
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:37.159
<v Speaker 10>like not extreme right hand, not extreme left hand, but

1241
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 10>I might draw from those ideas like you were saying,

1242
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:43.599
<v Speaker 10>chaos magic really emphasizes the idea of breaking conceptual thinking.

1243
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 10>Buddhism really emphasizes this idea of breaking conceptual thinking. Kabala

1244
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:52.880
<v Speaker 10>at the more nondual layer really emphasizes the idea of

1245
01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:56.599
<v Speaker 10>breaking kleipas, something Matt loves to say, because we have

1246
01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:01.400
<v Speaker 10>to break kleipas because we they veil our true understanding,

1247
01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:04.800
<v Speaker 10>our true awareness of what something really is, maybe even

1248
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:09.199
<v Speaker 10>call it its true name. So it's not that we

1249
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:13.079
<v Speaker 10>are out to be transgressive or we're and we're not

1250
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:17.880
<v Speaker 10>out to and inherently like prop up the status quo either.

1251
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.480
<v Speaker 10>It's a little bit of both. It has a little

1252
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.760
<v Speaker 10>bit of a rebellious spirit. But I think that Mott,

1253
01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:24.880
<v Speaker 10>I don't know, Judah can literally disagree with me and

1254
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:28.199
<v Speaker 10>say like, oh yeah, Jin saying something naughty. That's okay,

1255
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.039
<v Speaker 10>I'll take it. But I think it's a little bit

1256
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.719
<v Speaker 10>of a rebel spirit. That is how I understand they are,

1257
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:37.400
<v Speaker 10>but I am totally open to like pushback or people's

1258
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:38.159
<v Speaker 10>other ideas.

1259
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:39.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm not fixed.

1260
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:41.559
<v Speaker 10>And this is the other thing is I try not

1261
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:46.880
<v Speaker 10>to be fixed in my particular way that I frame everything.

1262
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:48.920
<v Speaker 10>I try and have different frameworks when I talk to

1263
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:51.639
<v Speaker 10>different people, So like I'll have a gnostic framework, I'll

1264
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.599
<v Speaker 10>have a Buddhist framework, or I'll have a whatever, I'll

1265
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:57.320
<v Speaker 10>just or the Egyptian one. I think that's all okay,

1266
01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.719
<v Speaker 10>because I think that there are different ways that people

1267
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.599
<v Speaker 10>understand the conceptual ideas for themselves. They don't have to

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<v Speaker 10>think that I'm the you know, arbiter of it. They

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<v Speaker 10>can just take it in their own way and you know,

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<v Speaker 10>use first principles like Helas was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what cabal is.

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<v Speaker 10>It's about mapping reality onto the tree and then and

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<v Speaker 10>unpacking it, unfolding it and folding it in like a flower.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, just an idea. You give me a

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01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:25.159
<v Speaker 1>really terrible idea.

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<v Speaker 8>So what do you guys think about doing a golden

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01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:34.039
<v Speaker 8>ass kabbala, just like a full commentary breaking down the

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01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:35.840
<v Speaker 8>golden ass in the kabbala.

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01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that would be amazing.

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<v Speaker 15>All right, we get I wanted to address.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll be okay, sometimes it ship jobs out.

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01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Sucks.

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<v Speaker 14>I had a quick thing I wanted to add onto

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<v Speaker 14>the idea of or insanity to that Buddhists put forth

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01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:07.480
<v Speaker 14>the idea that life is a tube.

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<v Speaker 7>And you're either going up or going down and staying

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01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:15.280
<v Speaker 7>still doesn't make much sense.

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<v Speaker 14>At all, right, But I just wanted to say that, Judith,

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<v Speaker 14>what were you gonna say?

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<v Speaker 16>No, Actually, you hit on what I wanted to tell Jim,

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<v Speaker 16>because I do agree with Jim's aspect, because if you're

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<v Speaker 16>looking at the kabbala, you're not meant to stay in

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<v Speaker 16>one place.

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<v Speaker 5>You're meant to have that movement.

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<v Speaker 6>The whole point in my view, in my opinion, is

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<v Speaker 6>to not get stagnant and get stuck in one place.

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<v Speaker 5>So I agree one hundred percent with what Jim was saying.

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<v Speaker 5>And you actually supported that even, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 12>Sorry, no, sorry, yeah, just again, Look in nature, right,

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<v Speaker 12>Nature never stays the same. Everything changes all the time,

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<v Speaker 12>and things live and die and change and transform and

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<v Speaker 12>so on.

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01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.159
<v Speaker 11>So like breaking the klifas right, that can be the.

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01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:08.800
<v Speaker 12>Butterfly or the caterpillar that breaks itself to become the butterfly. Right,

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01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 12>So everything is again constantly changing and removing, and if

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01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.800
<v Speaker 12>it doesn't break that cliff, it stays as a caterpillar forever.

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<v Speaker 11>So it's just about reinventing and changing.

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01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:22.960
<v Speaker 12>And again seasons change, people change, but they can't stay

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<v Speaker 12>the same at the same time.

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<v Speaker 11>So it's it's this constant just.

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<v Speaker 12>The the Hebrews well call the thing soon right, the movement, contraction,

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01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:35.039
<v Speaker 12>expansion and is one. So even the chaos and the

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01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:38.319
<v Speaker 12>order like you need first, so there's nothing. You need

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01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.319
<v Speaker 12>the chaos to kind of move things around and you

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01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:42.399
<v Speaker 12>order them to make sense of it. Otherwise you just

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01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:45.359
<v Speaker 12>have too much chaos and then you cannot understand anything.

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01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:48.800
<v Speaker 12>But then you bring chaos again to have nothing then

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<v Speaker 12>and so on.

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<v Speaker 11>It's like back and forth half.

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<v Speaker 12>Of the Pliny sword in the in the serpent right,

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<v Speaker 12>going up and down.

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<v Speaker 11>It's one.

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<v Speaker 9>Brilliant Nature does have these natural laws, though, and if

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<v Speaker 9>we didn't have those laws, and I think to the

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<v Speaker 9>I was gonna say, I guess I think to the

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<v Speaker 9>Egyptians who all they had this feeling like chaos was

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<v Speaker 9>something that you always had to fight back against, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>and you could even think of like uh, like Zeus

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01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:57.279
<v Speaker 9>killing the chaos serpent you know. Huh yes, uh, Like

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<v Speaker 9>some people believe that Typhon was Guya's, you know, child

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01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:10.760
<v Speaker 9>that was supposed to try to defeat the Olympians. Guya's

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01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:15.720
<v Speaker 9>like last chance at kind of fighting them for imprisoning

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01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:24.960
<v Speaker 9>her children. So it's just like this primal part of

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01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:29.279
<v Speaker 9>nature that's always going to be there, just like man,

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01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:33.359
<v Speaker 9>you know, is the master of nature and has to

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01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:37.079
<v Speaker 9>fight the beasts back and has to fight the weeds back.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, it's kind of like that concept, like chaos

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01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:44.640
<v Speaker 9>is always going to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just.

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<v Speaker 10>Follow up Ros by asking you, like a fundamental Cabala question,

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01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:53.239
<v Speaker 10>like how do you personally reconcile the paradox of the

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01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:57.159
<v Speaker 10>relationship between Gevra and Hesseid if you're at or even

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01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:58.960
<v Speaker 10>just you could say the right and the left pillar,

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01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.039
<v Speaker 10>because those also work in Zimsum as Matt said, like

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01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:07.439
<v Speaker 10>those are the two suffer that fundamentally have the strongest

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01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:13.359
<v Speaker 10>dialectical relationship with each other, fire and water, So they

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01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.600
<v Speaker 10>have to be reconciled, and they have to be reconciled

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01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:20.439
<v Speaker 10>in the middle pillar. How do you do that? I'm

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01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:22.039
<v Speaker 10>not I'm not putting you on the spot or anything.

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01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:24.680
<v Speaker 10>I'm just this is just a Cabala paradox. We often

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01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.960
<v Speaker 10>discuss it, and it's just it's a really fundamental way

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01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.000
<v Speaker 10>to sort of understand how the tree works. It's like

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01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.199
<v Speaker 10>Matt said, it's simsum. It's the zipping and unzipping. It's

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01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:37.279
<v Speaker 10>the breaking of the klipas of your own conceptual understanding

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01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:40.439
<v Speaker 10>of things. Because the person that I I'll just speak

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01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.159
<v Speaker 10>for myself, the person that I was at two years old,

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01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:48.079
<v Speaker 10>is not the person I am at thirty seven. So

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01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:53.800
<v Speaker 10>my own, my own life, my own marga has unfolded

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01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:56.800
<v Speaker 10>in a way that I have gained at least I

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01:11:56.840 --> 01:12:02.680
<v Speaker 10>think I've gained in perceptual understanding of the universe or

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01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:05.520
<v Speaker 10>knowledge even maybe a little bit, just maybe a little bit,

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01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:09.680
<v Speaker 10>but a little bit. So I have to recognize that

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01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:11.800
<v Speaker 10>not the way I when you Okay, so when you

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01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:16.239
<v Speaker 10>walk through the gateway of Malcouth first time onto your slade,

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01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.279
<v Speaker 10>you are childlike and you don't know that even the

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01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:22.359
<v Speaker 10>names of things, you are like fully lost in the

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01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:28.119
<v Speaker 10>Abyss experience, as as Nick mentioned, you don't know you're

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01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.720
<v Speaker 10>for the first time. It's like the example is like

1369
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:35.039
<v Speaker 10>you are a virgin or a bride, So you don't.

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01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:37.840
<v Speaker 10>So you just call things by what you think that

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01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:41.520
<v Speaker 10>they are, or relate to them as you believe that

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01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.399
<v Speaker 10>they are. But as you sort of cross the I

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01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:46.920
<v Speaker 10>would call it the carnal ground or the abyss. As

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01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:51.079
<v Speaker 10>you cross those experiences, you actually gain in knowledge and

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01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:54.319
<v Speaker 10>you realize like, oh, I actually was wrong about the

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01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:58.840
<v Speaker 10>way I've perceived these things at first, so you change.

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<v Speaker 10>So that is what I'm talking about. It's not really

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01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:06.000
<v Speaker 10>this dialectical arrangement between order and chaos. It's really about

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01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:07.840
<v Speaker 10>matter and spirit.

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01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:09.000
<v Speaker 1>That's more.

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01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:12.840
<v Speaker 10>That's more Hebrew Cabala. So I'm just I'm not saying

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01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.479
<v Speaker 10>it's different. I'm just saying that that's my perspective on that.

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01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.800
<v Speaker 10>The tree is best understood in dialectical relationship. But all

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01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:21.680
<v Speaker 10>the stuff for a work in dialectical relationship, hes said,

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01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.359
<v Speaker 10>has a dialectical relationship with Bina. Mercy has a dialectical

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01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:29.479
<v Speaker 10>relationship with understanding. You cannot understand text. That's essentially what

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01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:32.600
<v Speaker 10>bina is. It's the it's the black ink on the

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01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:35.520
<v Speaker 10>white page and the white vellum. You can call it

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01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:38.079
<v Speaker 10>the Torah, which obviously is the law. But you can

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01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:41.199
<v Speaker 10>just extend that to mean, any text, any canonical text.

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01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.359
<v Speaker 10>You have to bring that into loving kindness. That is

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01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:47.399
<v Speaker 10>the only way to understand that. You can't take it

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01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:49.880
<v Speaker 10>as literal. You're supposed to take it as part of

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01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:53.760
<v Speaker 10>the realm of ideas, interpretive, and then you kind of

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01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.720
<v Speaker 10>relate it to the things that we know, which is hode,

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01:13:57.119 --> 01:14:00.159
<v Speaker 10>which are the words that we have, the analogical sort

1397
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:03.680
<v Speaker 10>of devices thinking that we used to describe the universe.

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01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:08.159
<v Speaker 10>That's all imperfect. This is just a Cabali stick thing.

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01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:10.640
<v Speaker 10>I'm not saying that you're understanding is imperfect. I'm saying

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01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.319
<v Speaker 10>that from a more Hebrew or David Hamm Smith, who

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01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:14.000
<v Speaker 10>I'm a big fan of.

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01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:14.439
<v Speaker 11>Obviously.

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01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:17.800
<v Speaker 10>Uh, that's how That's how I would That's how I

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01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:18.439
<v Speaker 10>would say.

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01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:21.680
<v Speaker 2>You do you get in touch with that guy?

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01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:22.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I am actually yeah, yeah.

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01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:25.399
<v Speaker 2>He I felt so bad, like I hit me up

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01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:28.159
<v Speaker 2>on like every fucking platform possible. I just hadn't checked

1410
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.680
<v Speaker 2>my DMS for like a few days. But no, I

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01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.479
<v Speaker 2>didn't check like my uh my inbox, I like because

1412
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:35.079
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't following him, so it didn't show up in

1413
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:37.520
<v Speaker 2>my regular inboox. Yeah, like I was looking for you

1414
01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:39.279
<v Speaker 2>for a minute, and he went to iike it, that's

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01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:40.199
<v Speaker 2>how he got your contact.

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01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, think of some shit. Yeah it felt bad. I

1417
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:44.439
<v Speaker 3>dropped the ball onto there, But I mean you got

1418
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:45.720
<v Speaker 3>touch with them anyway.

1419
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:46.800
<v Speaker 1>No, you didn't.

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01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Nick.

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01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:49.359
<v Speaker 10>It was because of me coming on the show that

1422
01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:52.760
<v Speaker 10>he even noticed who the fuck I was and was like, oh,

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01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:55.840
<v Speaker 10>actually Jinn's talking about cabal in a very similar way.

1424
01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:58.520
<v Speaker 1>But that's and I didn't even have read his.

1425
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.079
<v Speaker 10>Books until probably two or three years ago. And it

1426
01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:03.840
<v Speaker 10>was because I'm Buddhist, because he started out as Buddhist,

1427
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:08.600
<v Speaker 10>and then I approached Hebrew Kabala after. So that's really

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01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:12.199
<v Speaker 10>like where we that's our similarity is that we kind

1429
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:15.079
<v Speaker 10>of were nondual and then we kind of were like, Okay,

1430
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:20.239
<v Speaker 10>let's look at Hebrew Kabala in a nondual way.

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01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Remember I told you I thought he was I thought

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01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:23.359
<v Speaker 3>he was fake.

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01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:26.520
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Yo, this isn't really this isn't a

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01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:28.800
<v Speaker 2>real account.

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01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.680
<v Speaker 8>What the hell of a thing to a person, It's

1436
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:32.039
<v Speaker 8>just like some random author.

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01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, protect No, you know what the thing was is

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01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.479
<v Speaker 2>that the account he messaged me from like had like

1439
01:15:37.560 --> 01:15:39.319
<v Speaker 2>nothing on it, and I'm like, who the fuck is

1440
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.159
<v Speaker 2>this guy? And so like I typed his name in

1441
01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and he popped up on like other social media apps,

1442
01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:45.479
<v Speaker 2>and I click on it and it brings me to

1443
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.640
<v Speaker 2>an actual, real account, and I'm like, wait, so it's like,

1444
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 2>does someone scamming fucking Jen or some shit like trall

1445
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:51.279
<v Speaker 2>of him or something.

1446
01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:53.079
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't sure because it was weird.

1447
01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:55.439
<v Speaker 2>It almost looks like that guy made that Instagram account

1448
01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:56.159
<v Speaker 2>just to message me.

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01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:58.640
<v Speaker 1>It was really weird exactly, so.

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01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't taking it. That wasn't too of how true

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01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:03.119
<v Speaker 2>it was. But I mean, then he already said forget

1452
01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:04.840
<v Speaker 2>about it, already spoke to Ike. I'm like, well, if

1453
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:07.880
<v Speaker 2>he spoke to Ike, obviously he's played real. Unless he's

1454
01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:08.439
<v Speaker 2>making that up.

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01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 10>No, he's a you know, he's a very to me,

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01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:16.000
<v Speaker 10>he's the best cabalist of like the twenty first century

1458
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:19.520
<v Speaker 10>in my opinion. It's just my opinion, but that's how

1459
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.239
<v Speaker 10>I feel. I think his book. I think everybody who's listening,

1460
01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:23.840
<v Speaker 10>if you want a really great book and you don't

1461
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:26.399
<v Speaker 10>want to buy Georgiana Ro's book, go read Blazing Dew

1462
01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:29.560
<v Speaker 10>of Stars. I think you'll learn so much about it.

1463
01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:33.239
<v Speaker 10>He talks about free agency, free will. He talks about

1464
01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:36.439
<v Speaker 10>how you can relate the Safari era to the Outer three,

1465
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:39.840
<v Speaker 10>which I did obviously with Nick three years ago, and

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01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:42.000
<v Speaker 10>also we did in the Kabala series that we did.

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01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:44.720
<v Speaker 10>So he's talking about all the all the questions, all

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01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:48.039
<v Speaker 10>the important questions in modern magic, as well as a

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01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:51.079
<v Speaker 10>more traditional appraisal of Kabala from the middle Path. And

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01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:53.880
<v Speaker 10>I think that that's what my attraction to his style is,

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01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:56.239
<v Speaker 10>is that again to bring up exactly like it was

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01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:58.319
<v Speaker 10>such a perfect way for Judit to open the show,

1473
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:02.239
<v Speaker 10>like the middle pillars essentially what life is, and we

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01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:04.960
<v Speaker 10>walk the past through the suphra we try and get

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<v Speaker 10>to the Godhead, which props to Georgina Rose like that's

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01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:11.319
<v Speaker 10>what she said. She was saying, it's a septanatus like

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01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:14.279
<v Speaker 10>a seven star game. You kind of walk up from

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01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:19.079
<v Speaker 10>Malcouth or Sode, depending on how you count, and you

1479
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:20.399
<v Speaker 10>sort of want to go all the way up to

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01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:24.800
<v Speaker 10>Ketter that Catter is also Malcouth. So the fundamental paradox

1481
01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:26.319
<v Speaker 10>is how do you reconcile that.

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01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:32.239
<v Speaker 11>You know something.

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01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:36.199
<v Speaker 12>Something I like doing when we were talking about words

1484
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:38.079
<v Speaker 12>is going to the semantics of it, and I think

1485
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:40.800
<v Speaker 12>it helps a lot with understanding more points of view.

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01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:44.880
<v Speaker 12>So for example, we go with chaos and we go

1487
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:49.199
<v Speaker 12>to the Greek etymology, they go to a more like

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01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:54.119
<v Speaker 12>void for the something like open being open or something

1489
01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:57.359
<v Speaker 12>like that. And then you connect this to for example,

1490
01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:59.960
<v Speaker 12>like Aeros was saying, yes, we do have order for eximplace.

1491
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.640
<v Speaker 12>If I jump, I'm in an apartment. If I jump,

1492
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.159
<v Speaker 12>I als hold down, there's there's some kind of order here.

1493
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:08.560
<v Speaker 12>But if we go to the like if we zoom

1494
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:12.960
<v Speaker 12>into stuff, we get into a realm that there is

1495
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:16.039
<v Speaker 12>no exact order as it has here, but it has

1496
01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:18.880
<v Speaker 12>a different order, like if you go to quantum stuff

1497
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:20.920
<v Speaker 12>and so one there's like a it's like a different

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01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:24.000
<v Speaker 12>thing going on. We cannot assume the same uh programming,

1499
01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:27.159
<v Speaker 12>let's say the same software running. So it's interesting that

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01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:32.039
<v Speaker 12>it's almost as if before we read the from the route,

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01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:36.159
<v Speaker 12>it's being an abyss even or avoid like the chaos

1502
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:39.279
<v Speaker 12>being avoided. Abyss is again the thing that leaves space

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01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:44.319
<v Speaker 12>for the order to come. So then I think, well

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01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:47.279
<v Speaker 12>both are necessary in this case, So we need to

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01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:49.279
<v Speaker 12>control both, and like I was saying, we need both

1506
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:53.439
<v Speaker 12>like the hawkmdity, now we need both making the connection

1507
01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:56.560
<v Speaker 12>or even the both pillars because otherwise you have too

1508
01:18:56.600 --> 01:18:58.920
<v Speaker 12>much of one, you cannot have anything. If you have

1509
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:02.199
<v Speaker 12>too much order, then you don't move. It's like you

1510
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.479
<v Speaker 12>guys were talking about Germany right Like, it's like Europe

1511
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.159
<v Speaker 12>right now. They cannot move. They're stuck because they are

1512
01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:09.079
<v Speaker 12>too ordered, they're too rigid.

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01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.119
<v Speaker 11>It cannot go away. But if you have too much chaos,

1514
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:12.279
<v Speaker 11>on the.

1515
01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:15.079
<v Speaker 12>Other hand, maybe like us would be a good example,

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01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:17.319
<v Speaker 12>that could be a problem as well. Like you have

1517
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.479
<v Speaker 12>too much chaos, it cannot come show it, you end

1518
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:24.199
<v Speaker 12>up doing again, you don't know where it goes. So

1519
01:19:25.399 --> 01:19:27.319
<v Speaker 12>always always a bass the middle player.

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01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I always love.

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01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:32.439
<v Speaker 8>To contribute to the chaos.

1522
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:37.319
<v Speaker 9>I think too. It's that is a good point, because

1523
01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:42.800
<v Speaker 9>it's like defining chaos isn't the easiest thing to do.

1524
01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:46.800
<v Speaker 9>I almost feel like there could be two types of chaos, right,

1525
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:55.640
<v Speaker 9>Like the primordial chaos is just like yeah, potentiality, but

1526
01:19:56.640 --> 01:20:01.720
<v Speaker 9>you know, I think that's more Uranian, whereas there's the

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01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:08.399
<v Speaker 9>Typhonian chaos, which is catonic and it's uh, it fragments

1528
01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:13.319
<v Speaker 9>and it dissolves, basically, it destroys.

1529
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:15.880
<v Speaker 10>What if I told you eras that both of those

1530
01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:19.159
<v Speaker 10>things are the same, that you can reconcile both of

1531
01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:22.239
<v Speaker 10>those ideas and say, like what Kenneth Grant said, that

1532
01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:24.319
<v Speaker 10>we are in the tunnels we set, we are in

1533
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:25.680
<v Speaker 10>the roots of the tree.

1534
01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:26.560
<v Speaker 1>But what is the tunnel.

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01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:30.600
<v Speaker 10>The tunnel is just the outer sort of formation of reality,

1536
01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:34.000
<v Speaker 10>and really we have all this space, as Matt said,

1537
01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:37.479
<v Speaker 10>we have all this potentiality in space. That's how Buddhism

1538
01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:40.199
<v Speaker 10>would describe even the female principle, or like the new eat,

1539
01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:44.439
<v Speaker 10>she's she's she's free in space. We don't call her

1540
01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:46.319
<v Speaker 10>new heat obviously, we call it like we call them

1541
01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:50.000
<v Speaker 10>sky witches or sky dancers or dikini's. But you know,

1542
01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:52.359
<v Speaker 10>it's it's similar, it's a similar idea or the Babylon

1543
01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:53.439
<v Speaker 10>or whatever you want to call it.

1544
01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:56.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's it's the it's that's what it is.

1545
01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.000
<v Speaker 10>It's like she exists there in nondual wisdom, but it's

1546
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:03.840
<v Speaker 10>she's free in space. And so we have to sort

1547
01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:07.079
<v Speaker 10>of navigate our movement through space, just like we navigate

1548
01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:10.079
<v Speaker 10>our movement through the tree to that space that doesn't

1549
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:13.520
<v Speaker 10>really exist, which is Malchuth to Ketter, that that doesn't

1550
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:17.920
<v Speaker 10>really exist, but we perceive it perceptually as like being

1551
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:21.239
<v Speaker 10>disconnected as a disconnection between like some people say it's

1552
01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:23.920
<v Speaker 10>like heart and mind. Some people say it's like spirit

1553
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.319
<v Speaker 10>and body. Some people will say it's like aha and

1554
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:29.159
<v Speaker 10>like our material body, like all these different ways or

1555
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:31.920
<v Speaker 10>the Godhead or the outer outside of form, because a

1556
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:33.800
<v Speaker 10>lot of Buddhism is like very obsessed with like the

1557
01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.960
<v Speaker 10>fourth density, like the getting like you're not coming back

1558
01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:39.039
<v Speaker 10>into cause like you So there's a lot of people

1559
01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:41.279
<v Speaker 10>who don't want to come back. So that's part of

1560
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:44.279
<v Speaker 10>like escape from Samsar, escape from the Black cube. So yeah,

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01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:46.279
<v Speaker 10>you're right, there's all these different ideas of how to

1562
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:48.800
<v Speaker 10>describe it. But I do think that the sort of female,

1563
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:51.199
<v Speaker 10>the shocked principle of that New Week figure, I think

1564
01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:55.119
<v Speaker 10>she can be reconciled in both. She's both shatonic and

1565
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.039
<v Speaker 10>like void like or spatial.

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01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:09.920
<v Speaker 9>That's the one as more progressive and aligned to universal law.

1567
01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:15.199
<v Speaker 9>You know, that's like a type of differentiation that could

1568
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:19.279
<v Speaker 9>be seen as chaotic, but really it is it aligns

1569
01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:25.960
<v Speaker 9>to the laws, and it's it's progressive, whereas like it

1570
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:30.760
<v Speaker 9>creates new things based on those universal laws, whereas the

1571
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:36.159
<v Speaker 9>other is like it just destroys and entropies.

1572
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:40.199
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I believe in karma very strongly, Like I

1573
01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:42.880
<v Speaker 10>think we're governed by like a cosmic principle of karma.

1574
01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:45.920
<v Speaker 10>I'm not talking about like Vedic or Vedontic karma. I'm

1575
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:49.439
<v Speaker 10>talking about obviously Buddhist karma, which is predicated on ideas

1576
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:53.000
<v Speaker 10>of like rebirth and free will both. But yeah, it's

1577
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:56.840
<v Speaker 10>like the exactly what sor Ethan. It's exactly what Ethan said.

1578
01:22:57.239 --> 01:22:59.600
<v Speaker 10>It's like, that's how Buddhism posits us. We are like

1579
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:03.079
<v Speaker 10>fish traveling up the ocean of stars. We are like

1580
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:07.159
<v Speaker 10>swimming in the cosmic body of new eat, swimming upstream

1581
01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:11.279
<v Speaker 10>you could say, in this like endless cycle, like a spiral,

1582
01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:16.199
<v Speaker 10>and so like we kind of yeah, like it's both.

1583
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:20.079
<v Speaker 10>It's both the formation of primordial destruction and then also

1584
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:23.920
<v Speaker 10>the one that's more ordered by the universe. But that's

1585
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:26.920
<v Speaker 10>again I would say, it's all fundamentally in your own

1586
01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:30.600
<v Speaker 10>mind as well, Like it's these are outer principles, like

1587
01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:33.760
<v Speaker 10>observational principles. But like Matt said, like nature doesn't stay

1588
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:37.840
<v Speaker 10>the same. It is decay and generation at the same time.

1589
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:40.279
<v Speaker 10>And so for me, like the an of the Daughter

1590
01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:43.359
<v Speaker 10>or an of Mott, I'm very comfortable using either frame

1591
01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:45.760
<v Speaker 10>because it's I think for me it means.

1592
01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:46.039
<v Speaker 1>The same thing.

1593
01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:50.520
<v Speaker 10>So I think it's an aon of generation, but we

1594
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:53.039
<v Speaker 10>also live on the carnoground. Like if you want to

1595
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:55.600
<v Speaker 10>be truly nondual, you recognize that the world is like, yeah,

1596
01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.560
<v Speaker 10>it's a garden. It's beautiful at times, and then it's

1597
01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:01.880
<v Speaker 10>also a carnoground at the same time because everything that

1598
01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:04.760
<v Speaker 10>is alive has to die. That's just part of the

1599
01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:08.880
<v Speaker 10>cosmic formulation. So it's like a rose. It's like a

1600
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:12.640
<v Speaker 10>rose is such a perfect example, right, because roses do

1601
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:16.039
<v Speaker 10>really well with what blood meal and bone meal and

1602
01:24:16.119 --> 01:24:20.399
<v Speaker 10>someone's fish meal too, so they that is like the

1603
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:24.000
<v Speaker 10>kind of like thing like you just don't want to

1604
01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.439
<v Speaker 10>be I just don't like to stay fixed. This is

1605
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:28.840
<v Speaker 10>just for me, but I don't like to stay fixed.

1606
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:31.239
<v Speaker 1>On like one. I'm not like like I'm.

1607
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:37.920
<v Speaker 10>Pro generation because generation also implies decay in eventuality.

1608
01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:39.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like a there's like a thing.

1609
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:43.960
<v Speaker 10>But it's not like I'm inherently trying to degenerate like

1610
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:47.359
<v Speaker 10>anything or myself. I'm actually trying to like just be progressive.

1611
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:49.520
<v Speaker 10>And I actually even think that's what the anima is.

1612
01:24:50.039 --> 01:24:51.960
<v Speaker 10>And if you look at like the Buddhist goddess that

1613
01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:54.479
<v Speaker 10>I tied it to. She holds the bow and arrow,

1614
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:57.600
<v Speaker 10>but she wields a flower, so it's a blue flower.

1615
01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:00.560
<v Speaker 10>So she's a red or pink goddess and she has

1616
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:02.800
<v Speaker 10>a blue flower at the end of her bow. You

1617
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:05.479
<v Speaker 10>could tie that. There's an interesting way to tie that

1618
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.479
<v Speaker 10>to Hessed. So you could say that her body is

1619
01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:12.880
<v Speaker 10>like coming through the hate heatless flame of Geverra, but

1620
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:17.720
<v Speaker 10>her like her weapon quote unquote, is tied to loving kindness.

1621
01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:21.640
<v Speaker 10>So it's like tied to the progressive idea, not saying political,

1622
01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:24.119
<v Speaker 10>but progressive idea of like how do we relate to

1623
01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:24.479
<v Speaker 10>each other?

1624
01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:27.199
<v Speaker 1>How do we treat each other? How do we understand

1625
01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:31.439
<v Speaker 1>our relationality in the cosmos? I don't know.

1626
01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:33.800
<v Speaker 10>These are just like these are just greater like ideas

1627
01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:36.680
<v Speaker 10>that we've been all working through. And as I said, like,

1628
01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:40.039
<v Speaker 10>I don't think I have the answers. I'm just this

1629
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:44.439
<v Speaker 10>is just totally speculative, Kabala. I'm just positive ideas having

1630
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:47.199
<v Speaker 10>a discourse. It's I'm not you know, do asou well

1631
01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:48.000
<v Speaker 10>believe as that? Well?

1632
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:55.079
<v Speaker 12>Aris, have you heard of chaos theory before the mathematical thing? Yes,

1633
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.520
<v Speaker 12>So I think that's the really like it connects to

1634
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.800
<v Speaker 12>what you're saying saying in the way that they they

1635
01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:06.560
<v Speaker 12>see something that appears random, but there is like some

1636
01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:11.000
<v Speaker 12>underlying order, right, there's some underlying thing creating, and we

1637
01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:13.439
<v Speaker 12>can understand that maybe as the cather right, Like there's

1638
01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:16.079
<v Speaker 12>the cather, the middle pillar that creates the hawkmap that

1639
01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:19.039
<v Speaker 12>creates the uranium energy that you were talking about, which

1640
01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:22.079
<v Speaker 12>then again gets ordered in Bena, right, But there's no

1641
01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:25.680
<v Speaker 12>like when when it's the pure pure chaos. Let's say,

1642
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.319
<v Speaker 12>when it's the uncontrolled one. If you want to connect

1643
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:30.079
<v Speaker 12>to the tarrat for example, that could be the devil,

1644
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:33.359
<v Speaker 12>the typhoon that you mentioned. It's like the set the dragon,

1645
01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:37.199
<v Speaker 12>the one again creating here is pen, the god Pen,

1646
01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:39.640
<v Speaker 12>so it's the one that's going to destroy.

1647
01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:40.880
<v Speaker 11>It's like the serpent point up.

1648
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.279
<v Speaker 12>It has its own like it has a need, but

1649
01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:47.039
<v Speaker 12>it has to be controlled, right, Like you cannot just

1650
01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:51.000
<v Speaker 12>destroy it everything. For example, someone will say I want

1651
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:53.560
<v Speaker 12>to have like a Kumbelina experience. Whatever, Okay, you can

1652
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:55.479
<v Speaker 12>have it, but then afterwards what they're going to do,

1653
01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:56.600
<v Speaker 12>Like let's.

1654
01:26:56.399 --> 01:27:00.479
<v Speaker 3>Say I uh like the berries.

1655
01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:04.000
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, It's like let's say if I'm talking with a

1656
01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:09.039
<v Speaker 12>Christian friend and then I destroy the normy idea of

1657
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:12.359
<v Speaker 12>Christianity that he has, Like I'm fucking this guy, like

1658
01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:14.920
<v Speaker 12>his life is over, let's say, because his life is

1659
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:18.239
<v Speaker 12>built on top of that those that order that he

1660
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:21.880
<v Speaker 12>was created in, like a Christian let's say a country

1661
01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:23.439
<v Speaker 12>by Christian France or whatever. And then I come to

1662
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.359
<v Speaker 12>him and say, no, but this and that and that

1663
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:25.720
<v Speaker 12>and that.

1664
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:28.359
<v Speaker 11>Is bullshit, like it's actually some other thing.

1665
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:32.119
<v Speaker 12>If I don't teach him how to rebuild again, if

1666
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.439
<v Speaker 12>I just destroy, I completely agree with you, then he's

1667
01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:36.159
<v Speaker 12>fucked like that.

1668
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:39.479
<v Speaker 11>That's not cool at all. It's it's gonna f him.

1669
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:42.760
<v Speaker 12>But I maybe, like we're talking about the Ranian one,

1670
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:45.000
<v Speaker 12>I guess it would be more connected to like the star,

1671
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:48.640
<v Speaker 12>which in this sick is like Panora Soupreneur's box, right,

1672
01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:53.279
<v Speaker 12>the chaos that Actually it's almost as if the Zoos

1673
01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:55.560
<v Speaker 12>is like, okay, guys, now you get the power that

1674
01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:01.079
<v Speaker 12>Prometheus gave you, but you get to bad things as well.

1675
01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:03.760
<v Speaker 12>It's like not only good things come on now you

1676
01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:05.640
<v Speaker 12>can create stuff, but you can create some bad stuff

1677
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:05.880
<v Speaker 12>as well.

1678
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:08.239
<v Speaker 11>Then Pandora is doing the shady where.

1679
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:11.079
<v Speaker 12>But it's it's cool because the star comes after the tower,

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01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:14.000
<v Speaker 12>which is again you just destroyed the same castle. You

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01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:18.760
<v Speaker 12>destroyed everything that doesn't matter and you don't need it anymore,

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01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.479
<v Speaker 12>and so on, and then now you plant new stuff.

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01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:24.239
<v Speaker 12>It's like again the staff hope. And so it's again

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01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:26.880
<v Speaker 12>the chaos being the starting.

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01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:30.760
<v Speaker 11>Point from which you organize. It's it's uh.

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01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:33.720
<v Speaker 12>If you take any example, right, if you want to cook,

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01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:36.640
<v Speaker 12>it's gonna be a chaotic thing. Everything is gonna be around,

1688
01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:38.840
<v Speaker 12>it's alsthing. You've got to organize it into food. If

1689
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:43.119
<v Speaker 12>you want to be a good whatever electrician, you gotta

1690
01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:45.239
<v Speaker 12>organize everything for the electric thing to be.

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01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:46.199
<v Speaker 11>Built or the house.

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01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:49.600
<v Speaker 12>And again you have to grab that chaotic thing, all

1693
01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:52.760
<v Speaker 12>those materials and optimize them into something nice.

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01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:57.159
<v Speaker 11>So so as a maybe from where you start, it's

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01:28:57.199 --> 01:29:00.560
<v Speaker 11>gonna be more chaotic. Yeah, especially if you don't know. Right. Again,

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01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:02.079
<v Speaker 11>the homa you kind of.

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01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:06.359
<v Speaker 12>You understand, you'll not understand you you are aware it exists,

1698
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:07.880
<v Speaker 12>but you don't understand it.

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01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:10.560
<v Speaker 11>So again it's chaotic. Gotta make sense of it. Got

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01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:13.119
<v Speaker 11>to bring it to me, not either Ethan.

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01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:18.359
<v Speaker 8>Do you remember watching the uh, the video about the

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01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:21.760
<v Speaker 8>the plane of inertia on trialogues.

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01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:24.199
<v Speaker 7>The plane of inertia.

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01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:28.079
<v Speaker 8>No, remind me the cad wheeler UH clip where he's

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01:29:28.079 --> 01:29:30.399
<v Speaker 8>talking about the plane of inertia. How everything sort of

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01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:32.840
<v Speaker 8>exists inside of this thing. It's got the figure right.

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01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:33.479
<v Speaker 1>In the middle.

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01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:38.960
<v Speaker 8>Run away inside of it. How much of what they're

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01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:41.119
<v Speaker 8>talking about sort of fits into that model?

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01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:45.119
<v Speaker 7>Well, I I was that's a that's a great example.

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01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:49.720
<v Speaker 14>And I was thinking about with the uh the idea

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01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:50.880
<v Speaker 14>of the two pillars.

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01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:55.640
<v Speaker 7>You know, I'm maybe it's I'm just so innocent.

1714
01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:59.680
<v Speaker 14>Maybe I don't know, But whenever there's this idea of

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01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:03.439
<v Speaker 14>midd path or right path or left pillar whatever I mean,

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01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:07.520
<v Speaker 14>I am astonished when anyone says right or left handed,

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01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:13.159
<v Speaker 14>because the pursuit of balance is so ingrained into me

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01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:16.960
<v Speaker 14>by way of the middle Path and Buddhism and the

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01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:20.640
<v Speaker 14>whole balance and tai chi and not of course too this.

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01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:27.000
<v Speaker 14>So I think of the pillars as being potential actions

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01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:32.359
<v Speaker 14>or potential being right. We have the potential for severity

1722
01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:36.119
<v Speaker 14>or the potential for mercy. My tai chi teacher put

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01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:42.399
<v Speaker 14>it really well, there's the potential for flexibility, and there's

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01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:47.680
<v Speaker 14>a potential for rigidity. In flexibility, there is still the

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01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:54.840
<v Speaker 14>potential for rigidity. In rigidity, there's not the potential for flexibility.

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01:30:55.199 --> 01:31:00.680
<v Speaker 14>So sometimes it might be actually performance useful to be

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01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:04.520
<v Speaker 14>in one or the other left handed or right handed

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01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:09.720
<v Speaker 14>pillars for the circumstances and situations. But often I feel

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01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:13.319
<v Speaker 14>like the middle path is is where we want to be.

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01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:18.479
<v Speaker 14>And you know that depiction Headless had the straight line

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01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:22.560
<v Speaker 14>within it is as the center line intersecting with the

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01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:27.359
<v Speaker 14>center point, and that's really where our physical and psychic

1733
01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:32.520
<v Speaker 14>power is most potentiated, is when we're balanced right. So

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01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:36.239
<v Speaker 14>I always think about just pursuing the middle path, and

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01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:40.359
<v Speaker 14>then I am I have the ability to be to

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01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:46.640
<v Speaker 14>understand that both polls.

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01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:49.520
<v Speaker 8>Well, spin creates polls and balance spin right, And so

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01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:52.279
<v Speaker 8>the idea of spin, when it comes to you know,

1739
01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:55.119
<v Speaker 8>the fundamental nature of the universe as well as these

1740
01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:58.920
<v Speaker 8>higher topics, never usually brought up. But you know, spin

1741
01:31:59.039 --> 01:32:02.159
<v Speaker 8>creates that dip larity of you know, on one side,

1742
01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:04.399
<v Speaker 8>it's moving in one direction and on the other it's

1743
01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:07.319
<v Speaker 8>it's moving in a completely different direction based off of

1744
01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:10.279
<v Speaker 8>your perception of the thing. So spin at the very

1745
01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:13.600
<v Speaker 8>core starts to create weird geometries. And that's like one

1746
01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:17.600
<v Speaker 8>of the fundamental principles, which is the taurus right, like

1747
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:21.319
<v Speaker 8>this trust energy field. Whenever you're talking about spin within

1748
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:24.560
<v Speaker 8>the toroid, you've got the figure eight of this constant

1749
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:28.920
<v Speaker 8>motion being pulled through the middle right, the middle pillar

1750
01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:31.039
<v Speaker 8>being the result of spin.

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01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:34.520
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting when we're talking about the middle pillar ritual,

1752
01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:38.199
<v Speaker 2>you are picturing a spiral coming down yourself as well,

1753
01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and stuff going out and looking around you making an X,

1754
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and then down the middle.

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01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Pillar of you is the spiral.

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01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:46.039
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's why, like even that spiral sometimes

1757
01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:47.960
<v Speaker 2>that you see like drawn on walls and shit, sometimes

1758
01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's representing that it's not always like.

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01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:58.359
<v Speaker 14>Some antichi, we conceptualize centric fugel and centrifugal forces emitting and.

1760
01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:02.239
<v Speaker 7>Coming to our our center, same same kind of idea.

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01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:06.479
<v Speaker 10>I love that you said that, Ethan. I thought that

1762
01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:08.399
<v Speaker 10>was really good and that was a great point Nick

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01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:10.680
<v Speaker 10>about the I think it's a universal thing, Like I

1764
01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:13.000
<v Speaker 10>don't think it's specific to me or specific to anyone,

1765
01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:15.319
<v Speaker 10>like Ethan is saying, like I think that, like you

1766
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:17.960
<v Speaker 10>could look at Daoism as a very like more on

1767
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:22.039
<v Speaker 10>the side of chaos, because they often like give they

1768
01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:25.119
<v Speaker 10>sort of give homage. I would say it's a primarial

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01:33:25.199 --> 01:33:28.439
<v Speaker 10>chaos often in Dronza, so I think.

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01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:34.039
<v Speaker 14>It's they allow chaos to unfold and work with it

1771
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:35.680
<v Speaker 14>in the Wu Way idea.

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01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:39.039
<v Speaker 10>Right, So not to interrupt, No, no, no, that's a

1773
01:33:39.079 --> 01:33:42.159
<v Speaker 10>great because like Daoism is Wu Way and zerin, so

1774
01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:46.600
<v Speaker 10>it's spontaneity and like allowing exactly what Ethan said, I'm

1775
01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:49.039
<v Speaker 10>just using the matter and words whatever.

1776
01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:50.479
<v Speaker 1>It's exactly that.

1777
01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:52.600
<v Speaker 10>It's just like letting it unfold like a flower, Like

1778
01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:54.960
<v Speaker 10>that is the universal you can say that is the

1779
01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:58.479
<v Speaker 10>universal metaphor for the universe. Right is the flower, like

1780
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:03.720
<v Speaker 10>whether it's a lotus and okay, spinning swaska absolutely, you know,

1781
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:05.680
<v Speaker 10>like this is a very tonic thing, like you see

1782
01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:08.800
<v Speaker 10>a lot of the primordial chaoscott as she wields a

1783
01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:14.000
<v Speaker 10>swastka sometimes. But you know it's it's like the spinning

1784
01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:16.640
<v Speaker 10>motion of the universe. And like which way does it spin? Well,

1785
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:19.119
<v Speaker 10>we would say it spins non dually. We would say

1786
01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:20.880
<v Speaker 10>it doesn't spin left or right. We would say it

1787
01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:23.680
<v Speaker 10>spins in our perception, so we get to choose. That's

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01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:25.720
<v Speaker 10>how I think of it. I'm not saying that's right

1789
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:29.520
<v Speaker 10>or wrong, and just when we also say stars over planets,

1790
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.479
<v Speaker 10>but we don't worship stars either, So I just want

1791
01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:34.760
<v Speaker 10>to point that out. Is like we're not so fixed

1792
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.359
<v Speaker 10>in the seven luminaries because we also have a nine

1793
01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:41.239
<v Speaker 10>luminary system, especially in Tntra and in Joe Tish in general.

1794
01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:44.720
<v Speaker 10>So we use the nine planets, and they are nine planets.

1795
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:48.079
<v Speaker 10>Like people misunderstand this, but Rahu and Katchu our planets.

1796
01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:52.439
<v Speaker 1>They may not exist physically exist, but they they are

1797
01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:55.239
<v Speaker 1>there and they have to be understood to be there.

1798
01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>And of course, like even when David Ranking came on

1799
01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:00.199
<v Speaker 1>him and I spoke a little bit about this, I

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01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:02.159
<v Speaker 1>asked him like straight up, I was like, David, how

1801
01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>do you reconcile the outer three with Rahu Ketu? He

1802
01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was like how do you?

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01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:12.159
<v Speaker 10>And I said, Okay, Well, Katu for Neptune, Uranus for Rahu,

1804
01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:14.840
<v Speaker 10>and Pluto is like a way out, just like death

1805
01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:18.199
<v Speaker 10>is a way out for everybody pretty much. They all

1806
01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:22.840
<v Speaker 10>think that. So if you if you matt Pluto to death,

1807
01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:25.159
<v Speaker 10>not everybody does, right, Like I think Urine, and I've

1808
01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:28.840
<v Speaker 10>said this like Uranus and Pluto can switch, So I

1809
01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:31.359
<v Speaker 10>think like they can switch the sort of if you

1810
01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:33.880
<v Speaker 10>want to call the planets the klipas. They can switch,

1811
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:36.640
<v Speaker 10>but I think that they're because I think it's not

1812
01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:38.880
<v Speaker 10>fixed either. I think the tree, like Matt talks a

1813
01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:42.439
<v Speaker 10>lot about this, the tree is ever evolving, it's ever unfolding,

1814
01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:46.960
<v Speaker 10>ever expanding. So it's just like it's it's not about like, oh,

1815
01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:49.600
<v Speaker 10>I'm going to preface this thing. Because ideas can be wrong,

1816
01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.720
<v Speaker 10>institutions can be wrong, So do you not challenge them?

1817
01:35:52.760 --> 01:35:55.159
<v Speaker 10>I'm not asking you, I'm just saying in general, like

1818
01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:57.760
<v Speaker 10>Nick was talking about, like changing t lima, you can't

1819
01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:00.800
<v Speaker 10>change talma if you're on the side of total order

1820
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:04.319
<v Speaker 10>because then you're like Judge dread and you're just supporting

1821
01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:08.079
<v Speaker 10>the You're just supporting the sort of pillars of how

1822
01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:11.840
<v Speaker 10>you think reality is. But if you're challenging something, you're

1823
01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:15.800
<v Speaker 10>pushing kind of against what you think it can be,

1824
01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:18.199
<v Speaker 10>or you're trying to transform it into what you think

1825
01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:18.680
<v Speaker 10>it can be.

1826
01:36:20.399 --> 01:36:25.640
<v Speaker 9>I you brought up earlier the three body problem too,

1827
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:27.960
<v Speaker 9>and I just wanted to throw that out there too,

1828
01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:32.920
<v Speaker 9>because I know I talked about this a little bit

1829
01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:36.760
<v Speaker 9>in the Hercules video. But you know, when you have

1830
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:41.800
<v Speaker 9>a two body system like the Sun and the Earth,

1831
01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:48.239
<v Speaker 9>like the math checks out like it's very harmonious. It

1832
01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:51.520
<v Speaker 9>is a simple system, but throwing the moon in there

1833
01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:57.199
<v Speaker 9>that created the first three body problem. And with Rahu

1834
01:36:57.359 --> 01:37:02.159
<v Speaker 9>and K two being the and the nodes of the moon, right,

1835
01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:09.840
<v Speaker 9>the moon is what really introduced that chaos into that system.

1836
01:37:10.600 --> 01:37:13.479
<v Speaker 9>And it's just kind of funny how it works like that,

1837
01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:16.720
<v Speaker 9>because you know, then you have Rahu K two which

1838
01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:23.279
<v Speaker 9>is the chaos serpent, right typhon, and also that being

1839
01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:28.520
<v Speaker 9>associated to the north and south node right where we

1840
01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:38.159
<v Speaker 9>have the eclipses, which Typhon is also associated with. You know,

1841
01:37:38.279 --> 01:37:47.000
<v Speaker 9>I won't get too deep into that, but because I guess,

1842
01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:50.720
<v Speaker 9>like I would make the argument again that I don't

1843
01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:55.239
<v Speaker 9>think that the north node and South node are necessarily

1844
01:37:55.399 --> 01:38:01.840
<v Speaker 9>like Uranus and Neptune, but they are so similar I

1845
01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:07.600
<v Speaker 9>really do understand, because one is like, uh, like that

1846
01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:13.279
<v Speaker 9>oh white hole and the other is like a black

1847
01:38:13.319 --> 01:38:19.960
<v Speaker 9>hole almost and right, Neptune dissolves and Uranus is like

1848
01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:25.840
<v Speaker 9>that pushing us forward principle. So I don't know, it's

1849
01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:30.039
<v Speaker 9>an interesting, uh, it's an interesting idea. It's an interesting

1850
01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:31.560
<v Speaker 9>thing to think about, for sure.

1851
01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right.

1852
01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:35.640
<v Speaker 10>The sheriffs sorry, headless just let me say this one

1853
01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:37.239
<v Speaker 10>thing and then I'll shut up for a long time.

1854
01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:41.479
<v Speaker 10>Aeros here, You're right, Actually it's not exactly the same,

1855
01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:43.399
<v Speaker 10>because you have to think of it like what Matt

1856
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:45.439
<v Speaker 10>said the Path of the Dragon. You have to think

1857
01:38:45.479 --> 01:38:48.439
<v Speaker 10>that he is a gential being who climbs up together

1858
01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:52.720
<v Speaker 10>on his own. Then he fully manifests Uranus, then he

1859
01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:54.279
<v Speaker 10>fully manifests Neptune.

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01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:55.720
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't start off there.

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01:38:56.439 --> 01:38:59.319
<v Speaker 10>In fact, you could say that his favored position is

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01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:03.560
<v Speaker 10>to be at Gevra and at Shawnee or Saturn or Benna,

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01:39:04.319 --> 01:39:07.560
<v Speaker 10>because he loves matter and he also loves the destruction

1864
01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:10.640
<v Speaker 10>of matter. He's very dualistic, is how we would understand.

1865
01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:13.000
<v Speaker 10>This is a strictly contract, but that's how we would

1866
01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:16.600
<v Speaker 10>understand him. So the Uranian impulse, you could say, I

1867
01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:19.159
<v Speaker 10>know other magicians have called it that God is to

1868
01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:21.439
<v Speaker 10>take us outside of matter. Like Matt was saying, it's

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01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:26.239
<v Speaker 10>like that relationship between Ketter and Hopema, between like all

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01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:30.920
<v Speaker 10>that is or all the unity, and like the unmanifest wisdom,

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01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:34.479
<v Speaker 10>the cloudy smoky thing, because like Kaketu, his tail is

1872
01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:38.520
<v Speaker 10>always described as smoke, So very similar thing.

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01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I have a question. I've been too embarrassed to ask,

1874
01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:43.439
<v Speaker 1>so go for it.

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01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:47.760
<v Speaker 8>When they say it's sixty degrees north and sixty degrees south,

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01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:50.680
<v Speaker 8>I have no idea where that is on the ecliptic.

1877
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:53.439
<v Speaker 8>I don't know what I'm picturing. So Rahu and Ketu

1878
01:39:53.600 --> 01:39:56.239
<v Speaker 8>is like these two different points. Is that on the

1879
01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:58.840
<v Speaker 8>chart itself or is that actually in the sky? Could

1880
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:02.159
<v Speaker 8>you map that out to the stars themselves.

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01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:09.279
<v Speaker 9>I mean, let's just pull up a picture of the

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01:40:09.319 --> 01:40:10.479
<v Speaker 9>north and south note.

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01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:13.479
<v Speaker 11>I suppose, yeah, do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have one, I'll pull one up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for people who are listening, and uh, probably after

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01:40:23.199 --> 01:40:25.119
<v Speaker 2>this we have to wrap it up. I did get

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<v Speaker 2>a confirmation at least at nine o'clock guest is coming on,

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<v Speaker 2>so we do have a fred RC at nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not expecting anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Here to be showing up for that. Maybe I've hedless one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming to that, okay, I got I also got

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<v Speaker 2>also got jewels.

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<v Speaker 3>Jewels coming on. Jewels is definitely going on for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I put it at nine o'clock so he could because

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<v Speaker 2>I know he's really big into the Nokia Magic and

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<v Speaker 2>just just to just to throw it out there, this

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01:40:46.600 --> 01:40:49.000
<v Speaker 2>guy has his own podcast too, and I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of telling him my situation, and I guess I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>the only one that that has happened to.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not too happy about her reason.

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<v Speaker 10>She's very high strong, you can tell. I can tell

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<v Speaker 10>just watching her videos. It's like she's very tense. She

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<v Speaker 10>come back down, come back down to malcouth, Georgina. You

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01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:09.960
<v Speaker 10>don't have to live at you know, you don't have

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01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:11.600
<v Speaker 10>to live in home all the time.

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<v Speaker 9>How do I make this go on the screen?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to do it.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh no, my email, No, don't look at that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 9>it should be good. Okay, So that's they're not actual

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<v Speaker 9>like parts of the guy. It's just where that the

1911
01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:46.600
<v Speaker 9>Moon's elliptical and the Earth's elliptical around the sun, like where.

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<v Speaker 10>They meet, where they meet, got it, shadow planets, headless.

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<v Speaker 10>That's how he's even thought of, like very subtle body.

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01:41:56.000 --> 01:41:58.760
<v Speaker 10>I mean, Rahu's a physical body, you could say, but

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01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:01.600
<v Speaker 10>it's like he's the on it and the catchoo is

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<v Speaker 10>the opal or the cat's eye.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, and that's where we always have the eclipses.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I find that really interesting how you then eclipse

1920
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<v Speaker 2>falls into this because they've even said from my experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like like polarity changed when they separated from

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<v Speaker 2>each other.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, But it's bringing that three body problem into very

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01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:26.399
<v Speaker 8>very sharp contrast because you can see all of the

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01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:29.880
<v Speaker 8>different parts of the geometry that are now flung into

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<v Speaker 8>gravity with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And how does that make any sense?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 9>And the elliptal the I don't even know if that's

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<v Speaker 9>the is ellyptal.

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<v Speaker 1>A word, elliptic, elliptic.

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<v Speaker 9>The elliptics. So the Moon's is about five degrees off

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<v Speaker 9>from the Sun. And what's really interesting is you know

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<v Speaker 9>the north and the south node, it takes eighteen and

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<v Speaker 9>a half years for them to return to their like

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<v Speaker 9>in your birth chart for example, example, a lunar return

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01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.680
<v Speaker 9>takes eighteen and a half years for it to return

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<v Speaker 9>to its original spot. But there's this this point where

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01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:27.600
<v Speaker 9>the moon goes out of bounds and it'll go five

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<v Speaker 9>degrees below the tropic of Capricorn every eighteen and a

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01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:36.079
<v Speaker 9>half years. We're in a period like that now. Actually

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<v Speaker 9>last January it was at its peak at the lowest

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<v Speaker 9>that it goes. So it goes the moon goes out

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<v Speaker 9>of bounds below where the Sun ever goes, so it's

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<v Speaker 9>out of it's out of aspect of like raw or Helios, right,

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<v Speaker 9>which fights back that chaos, and it goes below Capricorn

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<v Speaker 9>into the cold, wintry dep's where the moon is debilitated.

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<v Speaker 9>So that's kind of interesting. Actually, it's going below the

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01:44:24.079 --> 01:44:31.840
<v Speaker 9>elliptic or the tropic of Capricorn. January sixteenth, it'll be

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<v Speaker 9>the lowest again. And this happens for about three years,

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01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:44.039
<v Speaker 9>where it'll go below that tropic of Capricorn every eighteen

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01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:46.640
<v Speaker 9>and a half years. So it's just kind of an

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<v Speaker 9>interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 14>I have an abstract question on something we've been we've

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<v Speaker 14>been discussing. I can totally relate to the idea of

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<v Speaker 14>an ARCon being of a planet, or an arcontic force

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<v Speaker 14>of the planet, and and then but also there's this

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<v Speaker 14>idea that there are arcontic forces. Maybe they are in

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01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:25.680
<v Speaker 14>fragmentation or maybe they're more separate entities. But there was

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<v Speaker 14>this gnostic idea of arcons coming from Saturn to Earth

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<v Speaker 14>because they did not like our music and singing. And

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<v Speaker 14>it makes me gin specifically, I kind of have sometimes

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<v Speaker 14>related this arconic force to the Buddhist idea of hungry ghosts.

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<v Speaker 14>I wonder if you might maybe elaborate on the astrological

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<v Speaker 14>arcontic and these maybe parasitic arcontic forces.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, thank you, Ethan, I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 10>So this is obviously partly a mad question too because

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<v Speaker 10>he is the Bana Hope Ma guy. But it definitely

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01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:10.920
<v Speaker 10>you could say that Saturn or Shanni. Well, okay, so

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<v Speaker 10>let's start out with this. In of Sanskrit, planets are

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01:46:14.239 --> 01:46:18.239
<v Speaker 10>called grajas. So right away from a Buddhist perspective, that's

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01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:21.880
<v Speaker 10>not a good sign. That grasper like a serpent keeping

1973
01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:25.199
<v Speaker 10>us here but not necessarily here, is in material creation

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01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:29.680
<v Speaker 10>in our consciousness. So we only can embody the pure

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01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:33.079
<v Speaker 10>concept quote unquote pure concept of the planet. But if

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<v Speaker 10>even if you read the we'll just stick to my system,

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01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:38.840
<v Speaker 10>like we'll stick circularly to our Tarbadas or Joe Tisha.

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<v Speaker 10>We'll say, if you read the stories, the planets are

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<v Speaker 10>very jealous, kind of like flawed lower devas, lower gods.

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<v Speaker 10>They are not the highest pinnacle of consciousness Buddhisms. Obviously

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01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:53.079
<v Speaker 10>you know this, but Buddhism is very concerned with consciousness

1982
01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:56.840
<v Speaker 10>and like having a quote unquote pristine consciousness.

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01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:58.359
<v Speaker 1>So if you are a pure.

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<v Speaker 10>Concept of a four or that is inhabited by the

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01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:11.159
<v Speaker 10>five maras, so lust, greed, anger, jealousy, and there's one

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01:47:11.159 --> 01:47:16.239
<v Speaker 10>more I'm forgetting. But yeah, the planets embody these kind

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01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:20.520
<v Speaker 10>of clichs. Are these poisons the strongest and so and

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<v Speaker 10>this is also the idea of the klipas too, right,

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01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:26.159
<v Speaker 10>the klipas are people get really obsessed with them because

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<v Speaker 10>if they think it's left hand path and it's so

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01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:31.760
<v Speaker 10>edgy and so awesome, And in a way it is

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01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:35.319
<v Speaker 10>kind of awesome because you can conceptually understand things, conceptually

1993
01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:38.159
<v Speaker 10>relate things, but you're not supposed to take it as like, oh,

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<v Speaker 10>I must worship these things. You're just supposed to take

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01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:43.039
<v Speaker 10>it as like, oh, okay, this is the way that

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01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:46.560
<v Speaker 10>sometimes traveling if you want to call it that, like

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01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:50.960
<v Speaker 10>traveling through the suffer of Bana. Sometimes our understanding can

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01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:57.479
<v Speaker 10>actually be misunderstanding our One of the klipas of Binna

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01:47:57.720 --> 01:48:02.000
<v Speaker 10>is actually the occultation of things, so the darkening of things,

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01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:05.880
<v Speaker 10>hiding things behind saying oh this is secret knowledge, like

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01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:07.640
<v Speaker 10>what we were talking about this right at the beginning,

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01:48:07.760 --> 01:48:11.800
<v Speaker 10>like leaving the institutional frameworks, so like everything that Nick

2003
01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:14.319
<v Speaker 10>has done for the whole time that he's been doing this,

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01:48:14.359 --> 01:48:16.279
<v Speaker 10>when he did like I'm not trying to big nick up,

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01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:18.720
<v Speaker 10>but I'm just saying for me, it was pivotal as well.

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01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:20.560
<v Speaker 1>But like when he was like Ny.

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01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:23.880
<v Speaker 10>Patriot and like you know, doing is saying that he's

2008
01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:27.399
<v Speaker 10>breaking the klip up of Dinna, like very literally, he's saying,

2009
01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:31.359
<v Speaker 10>like this is not secret, we're taking out of the institution.

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01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:34.319
<v Speaker 10>We're like very That's very aonic to me. So I

2011
01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:37.159
<v Speaker 10>don't know if that directly responds to your question, Ethan,

2012
01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:40.960
<v Speaker 10>but definitely there are aonic quality or ionic sorry or

2013
01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:44.840
<v Speaker 10>contic qualities in every planet. I'm not saying the planets

2014
01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:47.399
<v Speaker 10>are evil. I don't think that. I'm just saying that

2015
01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:50.880
<v Speaker 10>they position themselves as having lower desires, as we were

2016
01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:54.199
<v Speaker 10>talking about before, So I think that people should try.

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01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:56.479
<v Speaker 10>And because I'm not perfect either, I'm not saying that like,

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01:48:56.479 --> 01:48:58.279
<v Speaker 10>oh I'm like some proceners and.

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01:48:58.319 --> 01:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not if I was.

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01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:01.760
<v Speaker 10>If I was out of proscene, i'd be like traveling

2021
01:49:01.800 --> 01:49:05.560
<v Speaker 10>the hyperspace Kingdom, like surfing on my surfboard, like out

2022
01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:08.399
<v Speaker 10>of here. But the reality is it's like I'm here,

2023
01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:11.800
<v Speaker 10>so I have to, you know, reconcile, like like you Ethan,

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01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:14.319
<v Speaker 10>Like I wasn't trying to joke because I know you surf,

2025
01:49:14.399 --> 01:49:16.960
<v Speaker 10>but I but that is how I like in it.

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01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>It's very much like the silver surfer, the quicksilver surfer.

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<v Speaker 10>He's out there in the in the in the universe

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01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:25.560
<v Speaker 10>on the eighth wave on his board, and that is

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01:49:25.640 --> 01:49:27.920
<v Speaker 10>like sort of how we should be. But we also

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01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:30.199
<v Speaker 10>are in the world of form, so we have to

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01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:33.960
<v Speaker 10>kind of reconcile these two things, these two polarities, and

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01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:36.800
<v Speaker 10>that's like the perfect thing, because you know, Buddhism says

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01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:40.319
<v Speaker 10>that there are ten polarities, eight polarities outside of you

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01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:44.279
<v Speaker 10>and two within you, one up, one down, so we

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01:49:44.319 --> 01:49:46.359
<v Speaker 10>get to choose. And these are also related to the

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01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:49.640
<v Speaker 10>inner channels, and as Nick would pose it, they're also

2037
01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:54.840
<v Speaker 10>related to yes, your optic nerve, Yes, your physical body.

2038
01:49:55.119 --> 01:49:58.159
<v Speaker 10>There is a physiological way to map the treaty and

2039
01:49:58.199 --> 01:50:01.039
<v Speaker 10>to map magic. I personally leave that very strongly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, some of the nasty things, some of the

2041
01:50:03.399 --> 01:50:07.279
<v Speaker 2>nastic saints that that Crowley put in, is a you know,

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01:50:07.319 --> 01:50:10.039
<v Speaker 2>the gnustic mess. I mean, draw the eyeballs in the

2043
01:50:10.039 --> 01:50:13.239
<v Speaker 2>brain in their own work. So just right there, if

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01:50:13.239 --> 01:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>you look at the people that he talks about, thank you, Jen,

2045
01:50:21.039 --> 01:50:22.800
<v Speaker 2>nor anybody else, did you have anything else you wanted

2046
01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:25.039
<v Speaker 2>to add before we wrap it up? Unfortunately, now since

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01:50:25.079 --> 01:50:26.479
<v Speaker 2>I know I have this other guest coming, I kind

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01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:27.159
<v Speaker 2>of want to wrap it up.

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01:50:27.199 --> 01:50:29.479
<v Speaker 7>So that was inured.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, guys. I'm sorry that it turned into the

2051
01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Gin Show and spe but no.

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01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was great. Actually no, I mean you

2053
01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:38.920
<v Speaker 2>guys got to go back and forth. Everybody was respectful,

2054
01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:40.439
<v Speaker 2>and I thought that was like really interesting just to

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01:50:40.479 --> 01:50:41.399
<v Speaker 2>hear each other's takes.

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01:50:41.439 --> 01:50:42.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean I got something out of both of you.

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01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:43.840
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was great.

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<v Speaker 10>Actually, yeah, Mondrick is the dialogue is the discourse? I

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01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:49.760
<v Speaker 10>think I don't agree on that.

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01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:56.319
<v Speaker 9>I was so happy for it. I just be able

2061
01:50:56.359 --> 01:51:02.840
<v Speaker 9>to talk to someone who can explain they're reasoning for

2062
01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:04.520
<v Speaker 9>things in such great detail.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you, Eric, So I really appreciate that. And likewise,

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01:51:09.039 --> 01:51:11.319
<v Speaker 10>I respect you greatly for all your knowledge.

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01:51:11.399 --> 01:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I really do.

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<v Speaker 10>And I think it's a mark of a great kabalist

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01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:16.640
<v Speaker 10>to be able to As we've always talked about in

2068
01:51:16.680 --> 01:51:19.079
<v Speaker 10>the Greay Lodge, Matus heard me say this ten million times,

2069
01:51:19.439 --> 01:51:22.279
<v Speaker 10>but you have to be able to defend your positions

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01:51:22.319 --> 01:51:24.000
<v Speaker 10>if you're going to have a cabalistic position, like if

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01:51:24.039 --> 01:51:26.600
<v Speaker 10>I say the aon is on path twenty two. I

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01:51:26.720 --> 01:51:29.079
<v Speaker 10>better be able to tell you, even if you had

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01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:31.399
<v Speaker 10>never cracked a Cabala book in your life, I better

2074
01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:34.760
<v Speaker 10>be able to explain that to you in a way

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01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:39.760
<v Speaker 10>that is understandable, discernible, and testable through your own wisdom, science,

2076
01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:42.880
<v Speaker 10>or your own practice of it, rather than just like say, oh,

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01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:46.880
<v Speaker 10>believe me, No, I don't believe in that anymore. I'm

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01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:49.199
<v Speaker 10>very much like I like what you know. I think

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01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:52.479
<v Speaker 10>Nick and Judith also agree, like and Matt. Obviously, if

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01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:54.760
<v Speaker 10>you as a magician, you have to always say show me.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that. I like that a lot. Very good,

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01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:03.319
<v Speaker 3>very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Ja.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was great. I really appreciate all you

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01:52:06.199 --> 01:52:06.600
<v Speaker 3>coming on.

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01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Sorry again about the guest, but I think this show

2087
01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:11.439
<v Speaker 2>was a It was awesome anyway, so it doesn't matter.

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01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:14.760
<v Speaker 2>So Judy, thank you so much for coming on. Please

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01:52:15.439 --> 01:52:16.680
<v Speaker 2>we definitely have to get you on again.

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<v Speaker 5>It was my pleasure. I tell you, A spark was

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01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:21.000
<v Speaker 5>lit under me.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's fun talking about that ship again, right it is?

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<v Speaker 1>It is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you want to you wanta everybody know about

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<v Speaker 2>you show and stuff?

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<v Speaker 4>Again, it's it's basic self awareness on a more mundane plane.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's still lone and I just help guy. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>I give people tools to help themselves get in tune

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<v Speaker 4>with their inner cells. And I also do buddy check

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<v Speaker 4>once a month for the veterans to help them get act.

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<v Speaker 4>We made it into civilian life too.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome. That's good. That's great stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Juthing Yeah, and if yeah, I'll include your include the

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<v Speaker 2>link for your show in the bottom Hellos Giant, please, my.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 8>You can find me at the Headless Giant podcast on

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<v Speaker 8>YouTube and on uh now Rumble and also on x

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<v Speaker 8>SO check me out over there. I've got shows coming

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<v Speaker 8>up and shows that I've already done this week, so

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<v Speaker 8>check them out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's awesome, dude. Yeah, he's a very very

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<v Speaker 2>busy man. Go check out his channel and Ethan Indigo sir.

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<v Speaker 14>Thanks everyone so much, Nick for putting this together. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 14>we'll get to talk with Georgina in the future. Thanks

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<v Speaker 14>to you guys for the insight and inspiration. So I'm easy

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<v Speaker 14>to find and appreciate people reaching out and see us.

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday Headless got it awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for coming on, Ethan. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you making the time I easy during the day for you.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what's up a rose, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for coming on.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, thanks for having me Nick. As always, you can

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<v Speaker 9>find me on YouTube at Arrows Up and you can

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<v Speaker 9>find me on x SAT Arrows to eat those Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 9>Georgina and that was a bummer, but I still had

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<v Speaker 9>a great.

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<v Speaker 11>Time, Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for coming on, and Matt my man, I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate it, sir.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, fucking t wee ball. We can handle a panel

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<v Speaker 11>good even if the guests doesn't come.

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<v Speaker 12>But anyways, you can always find me as at Matt

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<v Speaker 12>Moore nineteen. That's gonna be Twitter, YouTube, uh TikTok, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 12>not rumbled, Twitch, maybe.

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<v Speaker 11>Some other place I don't know.

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<v Speaker 12>Also or Gray Launch, the truegray Launch dot com with

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<v Speaker 12>the v so true, the true grad latch dot com

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<v Speaker 12>and my webs that's Kabala dot com k A A

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<v Speaker 12>B A l a h dot com. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 12>there's the third thing going on. So for interesting just

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<v Speaker 12>hit me up and I'll hook you up with the details. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 12>thank thanks everyone for having me. Was a blest and

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<v Speaker 12>uh yeah, even though again we kind of switched again,

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<v Speaker 12>that's the chaos, right, We managed the chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>That was great, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, and that's been at least jin. Please

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<v Speaker 2>let everybody know what's up. Oh maybe you can also

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<v Speaker 2>plug the branch, susans.

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<v Speaker 10>I will, so everybody check out the branch. He has

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<v Speaker 10>his Wednesday spaces. He's done multiple multiple episodes on my

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<v Speaker 10>show Threshold Saints, which you can find, of course at

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01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:44.039
<v Speaker 10>the link that Mattress Drop, the True Gray Lodge with

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<v Speaker 10>a v plus Ultra Baby dot com, as well as

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<v Speaker 10>Threshold Saints dot substock dot com, which is what is

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01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:55.800
<v Speaker 10>one of our many web portals are kind of graffiti

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<v Speaker 10>on the eighth wave, you can call it that we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've just recently built that.

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<v Speaker 10>Of course, you can find me on x and Ig,

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<v Speaker 10>at Threshold Saints or at wukongre Born to w Uko

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<v Speaker 10>Nng dropping an episode with Joe Nally. This other character

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<v Speaker 10>who I've had on a Zuki who calls himself a

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<v Speaker 10>motorcycle outlaw nationalist. This is a really interesting character. We

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<v Speaker 10>talked about Judge Dread and Machiavelli and so that'll be

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<v Speaker 10>a little different for me. And then I have two

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<v Speaker 10>amazing episodes with Satchke, who is basically well he considers

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<v Speaker 10>himself like the Saint of the Crystal Millennial Millennium Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 10>and he actually invented a way to use nineties computers

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<v Speaker 10>to build your own AI, like a personal AI that

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<v Speaker 10>is like for yourself that is not connected to like

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<v Speaker 10>the bigger AI.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's very exciting time.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm really been blessed through obviously this show in particular,

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01:56:58.600 --> 01:57:02.359
<v Speaker 10>but also because of at, Joshua and Solar. Of course,

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<v Speaker 10>all three of those guys are like my homies, my brothers,

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<v Speaker 10>and so I really appreciate it, and it's been extremely

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<v Speaker 10>generative and I could not imagine doing aonic work without them.

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<v Speaker 1>So check them all out. Check the Matt out.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm so proud of him doing his tarot and his

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<v Speaker 10>episode that he did at the Young the Young Library.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm sorry, madam forgetting that name, but the Young he

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<v Speaker 10>did a thing on Young A had a famous library

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<v Speaker 10>associated with Young in the Netherlands.

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<v Speaker 1>Great arm Pagan podcast. Thank you very much, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much, matt.

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<v Speaker 2>Aten, thank you so much, Jenner, Thank everybody in the

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<v Speaker 2>chat and for jumping in and hanging out even though

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have the guests. That's what's up. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus, we're still here. Yeah, and if you've got time,

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<v Speaker 2>check it out. Later on nine o'clock Freda RC. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about in Nochian magic. I'm very very excited

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<v Speaker 2>for that, so yeah, check it out, and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess until the next one, everybody be well, Lada,