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Speaker 1: What is up, fellas it goes? I have Dan Valley

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coming at you as always with the one, the old me,

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the legendary, the certified, fandabulous. Mister Grant Hugh it's Western

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Conference Trade deadline primer time. It seems like we might

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have some news and rubers to talk about. Who knows,

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we already did the East, So if you haven't done

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gone to check out that episode we were It was

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really it was short. It was only like two hours

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and eighteen minutes long or something like that. So you

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just that'll take you no time at all to consume

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before we get started. Mister Grant Hughes, I don't know

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why Full named you there, but how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I'm excited that it's a double hat

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episode and for no other reasons, if you're listening with us,

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that doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: But if you can't be the first double hat episode, right,

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Speaker 2: But they're rare. They're rare. We don't coordinate hat versus

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no hat, but we just on the same page today.

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I feel like that bodes well. It means our synergy

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is going to be just top notch today.

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Speaker 1: It is that like an analog for groupthink, where we're

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just gonna agree with whatever the other person says.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that'd be pretty different, right.

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Speaker 1: We're used to just disagreeing a bunch. Although even a backstory,

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I was doing something that could technically turn into a podcast,

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I had a tough time with the Warriors, so naturally

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I text you and I'm like, Okay, so these are

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the three I was expecting either add disc guy or

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shift the order, and you can expect like, no, that's

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exactly how I'd have them. And I was just like,

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so we're just like completely just like on the same page.

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Speaker 2: Degree a little bit, a little bit or or that's

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just the right answer, and we both acknowledge it's the

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right answer. Let's call you that.

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Speaker 1: I choose to accept that. Any overarching thoughts before we

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get into this Western Conference trade deadline premer.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I think how about this, Dan, I think the

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West is the more interesting conference to discuss, even though

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Jimmy Butler does not playing it. How about that yet?

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Speaker 1: First up, Grant's Sacramento Kings. Because we're going all sorts

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of orders today just based off the news and things

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that could be ruined. And if Dan has to do

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anything in some post editing, maybe it's born from convenience

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or making his life just a little bit easier. And

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especially Grant too when I text him to re record

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all of this. We start with the Kings before we

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get in to the vitals. I don't know how much

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any of this matters. Now, Dearon Fox has made it

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be known we I did a little solo shinding. So

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we're gonna get Grant's thoughts here now on the Diaron

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Fox like trade request, it definitely wasn't a demand. Rich

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the Kings would be better off moving him. However, ESPN

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thirteen twenty has reported Damian Barling, I believe is his name,

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that Dearon Fox will only sign an extension with the

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Spurs or the Kings, and so makes you know, like,

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are the King's still involved here? And then of course

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are in fact the Aaron Fox team of choice. I'll

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run through their vitals very quickly, but I want Grant

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thoughts on the darn Fox situation. As of now, there

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are three point two million dollars below the tacks. They

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owe their twenty five first to Atlanta as top twelve

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protected shifts to top ten next year, and then it

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becomes two seconds. They also owe a twenty thirty one

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first round swap to San Antonio, so they can, in theory,

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trade three first round picks, one of them being conditional

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and then or less favorable excuse me, and then up

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to three swaps. However, Grant, let's start what are your

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's complicated. Certainly, the timing is I guess

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surprising because since Doug Christie took over, they've been the

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vibes have been better, and the winning has happened. Although

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continued commitments to the franchise was dependent on you know,

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them proving they can level up and continue to compete

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and improve, and it took a run like this to

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you know, like it took that that doesn't. So in

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some sense that's not surprising, especially measured against just the

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like he's been there since twenty seventeen and he's seen

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you know, but still like not a not a paragon

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of like a functional organization. So I guess I I'm

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not surprised. I don't blame him. I think in a

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great things could happen there because talking about women, Yama,

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just like, hey, gang, let's get together and like conspire

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to sign deals on some other team. I don't know why.

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doesn't happen a lot, right because we don't get a

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lot of whimby's, But I kind of enjoy that part

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of it. It sucks for Kings fans because they're just like,

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and the answer seems to be no. It's pretty brutal,

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but I get it. I think like if I were him,

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done it sooner. But it's still it's rough, like because

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sting a little bit. But yeah, I don't know. Mixed mixed,

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mixed thoughts. I guess if you can't tell from my

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meandering explanation there, do you fault?

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Speaker 1: How much blame do you ascribe to d Aaron Fox

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for this or looking at the timing because they are

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eleven and four in their last fifteen This is also,

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there's like a year in change before he hits free agency.

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same exact date Emmy Davis did the same thing to

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New Orleans or do you really just fall almost entirely

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on the side of you kind of just said it.

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as the Kings have gotten away from hashtag Kangs, there's

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Mike Brown extension was handled, And I'm wondering the bigger thing,

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franchise do enough to take that firing off of de

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Aaron Fox's shoulders? Aside from kind of noting in that,

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in there like he should have any sort of saying

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it was acting with this organization. It's like, what are

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view it as a premature ballout In any way, I

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think he's earned the right to get to this place.

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Speaker 2: I think the criticism you can level at him, or

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the blame you can lay at Fox's feet, is the

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same you would lay at any player's feet who signed

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a contract for a certain amount of time and then

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wants out of it before it has expired, which is

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like that always feels kind of stupid because the team

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can It's the old argument, the team can trade you

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whenever they want. So in theory, like just if you

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sign a contract, it's not as simple as saying, like

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you're Jimmy Butler, you signed that deal, You're you got

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to play it out. You made an agreement Fox, you

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signed this deal, you got to play it. That's just

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not how it works.

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Speaker 1: So that's like a butler, he's not withholding services.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he actually has continued to play. So like

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that tiny little colonel of blame, I guess you could

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lay up. It's really just like this has been one

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of the most like haphazardly run franchises for close to

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twenty five years. Fox has been there for like seven

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of those eight, almost and the constant is the management

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and ownership just not making great decisions or being capricious

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just like forget all the higher level stuff like find

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a backup big, don't add DeMar DeRozan to a team

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value proposition, but that's not what they needed. You everybody

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would concede that. So just from like a basic roster

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construction standpoint, the Kings have not done what Fox wants,

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which is to take the types of swings and make

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the types of moves that like lift your ceiling and

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get it, make it so like a playoff Berth isn't

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the pinnacle of this era, you know, like that that's

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that's a fair criticism, right. The Kings haven't like knocked

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any moves out of the park, so you know, great,

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they've made They've done some good things. This isn't the

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same as it was ten years ago because that was

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like as badly as you can run an organization. But still,

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if you're defending the Kings, right and you want to

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lay all the blame at Fox, Fox's feet, Like, what's

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your argument? I don't like he's abandoning ship, Like all right,

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I mean it's sinking, Like what are you? It's not,

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it's not it's not exactly powering forward, you know, in

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a way that makes you confident. I guess maybe that's

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the better way to put it.

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stance would be defensible by the Kings, which I did

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not touch upon because I didn't see it when I

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was recording about the specific rumor that this wasn't necessarily

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even a trade request. It was more of like just

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an FYI, this is where we're at, and the Kings

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are proactively shopping Fox. Is that if you're hearing the

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messaging of like garon, Fox isn't happy, he doesn't think

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this roster is good enough, and we're gonna get to

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a point over the off season where he would request

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the trade. If that's the messaging. If you're the Kings,

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does it make more sense to proactively get here and

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one let it leak out you're a proactively shopping Fox

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or should you be doing everything in your power to

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shift his perception? Again, I'm assuming that there would be

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a chance that he is still willing to stick around.

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of burned. Feels that way, but you know, you know,

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you never know. I guess like, Okay, here's in one sense,

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trying to get out ahead of this or at least

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act as quickly as they can, because you look at

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this trade market and every major name we've talked about

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for several months is like I don't know, like how

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how valuable is Jimmy Butler? How valuable is Zach Levine?

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Like are we really gonna give up to first for that?

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Like Bradley Bill's a negative? And then if you put

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Fox on that market as the Kings, you're like, we

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got we got the guy. Now, like you you should

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give us three first for this? We have we have

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like the if we're drafting, this is the total mixed metaphor.

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this deadline, Fox is number one, right just he's twenty seven,

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he's you know, in his prime. You could get the

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most for him of anybody, that's actually available. Problem is

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he wants to go to one team and you probably

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should have known that. So if if that was like

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an oversight, then you kind of blew it. But I

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it feels broken. Why not just try to you know,

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let's let's get this out there now, as opposed to

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like we go, because then what's the rest of your

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mean we've seen it with Anthony Davis and the Pelicans.

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I guess it's just awkward and it sucks and you'll

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probably have some some quote unquote injury arise. That's no good.

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Speaker 1: So I'll get to that. But the one thing I'm wondering,

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and I did mention this already, was how how much

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of the openness to staying is if I make all NBA,

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you can give me a three hundred and forty plus

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million dollar extension. I don't think he's gonna make all NBA,

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and so that's their only chance of keeping him. Then yeah,

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it would make sense to be proactive. I just they

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could be annoyed by the timing, just because it's so

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close to the trade deadline. It does seem like they

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were warning signs though, because of the previous discussions that

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we know they had. But what this does do for

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them that makes it more challenging is you are now

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tasked with he's giving you the one team and this

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hasn't been like there was also reporting that is that

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he will be open to other teams. So this isn't

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like a staunch one team trade demand. But the timing

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of it, it's so hard for other teams to decide

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whether they're going to cobble together offers, especially if they're

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not on Fox's list.

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Speaker 2: And I will say, I.

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Speaker 1: Think you've removed at least one what some people thought

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could have been a major suitor for him from the equation.

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Houston has no business making a mega move in the

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middle of the year, like I've seen a team mentioned

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for him. They might decide, look what I'm in Thompson's

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doing right now, Like he's changing directions on the ball

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so fast that it looks like he's traveling forward in time.

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So why would we want someone like the Aaron Fox?

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the offseason and they've gone through the playoff crucible with

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this current group and say, oh no, we do need

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someone like the Aaron Fox. But you've already like Houston

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at least in my view, as a non starter. So

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that's one potential, just like you know, someone even if

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someone in the woodwork that could come out and drum

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up the value of Fox. If you're dealing with only

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one or two teams at the moment, and we're going

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to talk about san Antonio a little bit, so I

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don't want to go into them, but I want to

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ask you, are there any teams like other than san

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Antonio that you could see coming in at least fairly

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aggressive for Oh no, Actually, I'm sorry. We should start here.

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I think there's a right answer here as to what

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should the Kings be targeting into the Aaron Fox trade?

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But what how do you if they do move him?

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Do you expect them to prioritize the future driven return

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or is it going to be trying to maximize what

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they can do in the more immediate term.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, I think I obviously I think

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you and I would say you're gonna need some draft

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picks and that should be the focus, because if you

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lose Fox, you're not getting back a player or players

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that are as good as him, and the team's not

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good enough as it is, So like, what's the You're

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really going to just spin the wheels for a few

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more years and Sabonis then ages out eventually, and like

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where are you? I mean, I feel like this is

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kind of what you're alluding to, which is like, I

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don't think it's a great position to be in the

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business of. We will take back draft picks that belong

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to the Spurs from the Spurs if you're trading him

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to the Spurs, because those picks are not going to

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be very good unless something whenby gets hurt. Like that's

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so you need to be looking at some of those

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Hawks picks, maybe getting back one of your own, like

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that kind of thing. Pick redo that swap so you

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don't have that twenty thirty one going out take that back.

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So I don't know if that doesn't really answer your question,

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because I don't know how I don't have hugely strong

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feelings on like you just need a full draft package

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or something. I don't know if that's available. When you've

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said there's only one team I want to go to

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and you don't want that team's picks. I think the

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Kings probably will make something of the wrong decision and

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try to get back a couple of players that just

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kind of keep them where they are. Yeah, I don't

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know it the whole, the whole, the really the most

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complicating factor is the Spurs picks aren't going to be good,

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and so what are you getting back if and when

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you trade them to the Spurs it's not going to

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be It shouldn't be their own picks. I don't think no.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe distant ones if you're willing to gamble

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on that, but I think I think they have enough

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stuff from other teams where it's you have that Bulls

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pick this year, sure, Minnesota pick. You have two Hawks

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picks plus if you want the right to swap with Atlanta.

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So I think there's enough stuff there. I actually I'm

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coming at it from this end. One. I don't think

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the current front office of Monte McNair and West Wilcox

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should be in charge of the darn Fox trade because

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I think at this point there's probably pressure on them

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to keep their jobs, and you'll now is almost the

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perfect time to clean house because Doug Christie still has

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the intern label. So like you're not married to a

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head coach. Don't be married to the front office either,

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And regardless of who's making the trade, you know, you

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mentioned that it should be a draft orient in return,

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maybe they go that route. They need to start over,

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like this needs like it needs to be a clean

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sweep and it's I'm not like keep Keegan Murray, sure,

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but like it's a bonus demartin Rosen, whether it happens

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now or the offseason, like you shop those guys there

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shouldn't be Let's try and get players who can help

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us make the playoffs now, or let's get picks that

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we can then turn into players who do that Like

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you're just you're not. We were having trouble with dearon

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Fox where it feels like the Kings are one or

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two moves away, or in theory, should be from being

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something special. If you're removing if you couldn't do that

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for multiple years when you had Daron Fox and Domasa

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Bonus and the emergence of Keegan Murray, why do you

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think that you're gonna be able to do it without

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having Darn Fox. And that's what I would worry about

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as a Kings fan, is that yes, starting over would suck,

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but to me, that is that is not the right call.

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It should be the only call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so hard, I mean, I yeah, I we

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we collectively, like in the media, I guess like romanticize

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the blow it up a lot just because it seems

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so easy. Let's start over. This isn't any good. But

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then like we're not fans who have to think like, okay,

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so for like four years now, we're just gonna be

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like hoping one of these draft picks hits, like after

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we just made the playoffs for the first time in

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forever a couple of years ago, like we got to

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go back to this. That's such a daunting proposition. It

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doesn't mean and I do think I think it's the

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right move. Still, it's just that's that's such a brutal

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thing to have to deal with. You ask for another team,

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like if I Houston makes sense, but is out the

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Spurs make sense, But we've already talked about the complications there.

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That'll probably be where it ends up being is Orlando,

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Like should they be like coming down the pipelines. It's

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we've said they need shooting. Obviously Fox doesn't provide that,

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but at least like we do want a ball handler,

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we do want to guard there. Does Orlando make any sense?

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Or is that because that's the only other team that

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sprang to mind when you asked, besides the obvious?

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Speaker 1: So I think Orlando actually makes a lot of sense,

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just because Fox is not the best shooter, but like

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he's still shooting thirty seven percent on step back threes.

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I think he's had thirty eight percent on wide open

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threes this year. He should get if the concern is

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what does he look like playing off the ball more?

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Because we have Franz and Polo, you know, him hitting

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those wide open threes should be a good Harby Jurn.

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I would assume the quality of his three pointers in

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Orlando would go up at least during the time he

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has Franz and Polow on the floor. So I would

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argue that they should absolutely be in on him. I

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don't know how his current and then future salary structure

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fits within it, right, Okay, we have Franz, Polo and

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Jalen Sugs, So it's is Jalen so going out in

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that deal? And if he is, that's not happening this season.

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Another team I thought about as unless you have anything

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else on Ortlanta.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say in addition to the shooting, we

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harp on the Magic's pace and Fox has in the

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past been a guy that is like a transition offense

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by himself, So you can't like the fit the half

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court fit as if he I think even with in

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light of even in light of the the three point

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numbers you mentioned, he you would think he would get

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them up and down a little bit more than they are,

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which which would help.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about and I do think this

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is another team that would probably want to wait until

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the offseason to figure out where they were after the playoffs.

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Does he make any sense for okac?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Wow? I mean you do have you have similar

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salary structure questions there, although it's not as far down

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the line as the Magic ar because you're gonna have

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to pay check and Jalen Williams and Shay and then

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Fox Jay's already paid. Yeah, Fox is gonna get his

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I mean, you better not have any more secondary creation problems.

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If you add Deer and Fox to that team, you

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would think that would solve it. He feels like he

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feels like a luxury, but then like, but is he

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because he does address like pretty specifically what you don't have,

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which is someone that can very clearly run your offense effectively,

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like sort of be the guy, whether at the second

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units or with Shae. I wonder that's interesting. Do you

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think though, that it's a little bit too much of

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the same thing, Like you're spending so much on a

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guy that really is doing a lot of what Shae

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is doing, and so like, if you care about the

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end of post of playoff games and they're both on

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the floor together, are you like really maximizing what that

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five man unit could be. I don't know. I'm just

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I'm just.

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Speaker 1: And would there be a similar I mean, look at

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the the marginalization effect of Kegan Murray on offense with

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the mart Ros and Leak Monk and Domas and Fox.

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Is there any of that with Jalen Williams or Chet

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Holmgren when you throw Fox into the equation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean probably less because I think both, yeah,

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Chet and Jadab can impact the game without having the

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probably our best at impacting the game without having the ball.

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But it's like it is reductive, but it's like there's

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one it's the one ball thing, Like there's only one

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basketball like you have Shay, he should have it a lot.

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And then Fox also is like he can do other stuff,

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but like, clearly he should have the ball a lot

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if he's in the game, and that a little dim

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a little bit of diminishing returns there. It is fun

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to though, because Okay, so he could just be like, yeah,

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we could totally, we could do that.

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Speaker 1: No core players and picks, and like we'll just I again,

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I'm not really an advocate. Okay, see making a move

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this season, but I just they were a team. What

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do you make of There's been reports that Brooklyn would

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be interested, and I'm wondering how much of that is

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through the lens of if he reaches twenty six free

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agency rather than you know, they maybe they'd be interested

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this offseason after they draft Cooper Flag or he's like whoever.

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But it just doesn't seem based off their two year timeline.

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In my head, I'm like, it would make sense if

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he reaches free agency and they're trying to accelerate their position,

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but for the next two years, I don't know what

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the value of having him is for them, especially when

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they would have to give up stuff to get him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because then you're talking about like his age thirty

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season maybe as being when you've got barely enough surrounding

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talent unless you just make another major free agent signing.

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But I want to so I know you mentioned like

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some of the reporting is that, oh, you know, he

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might stay, and it's because of the potential for if

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he makes all NBA a supermax.

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Speaker 1: I'm that last part, by the way, I'm speculating on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that's totally it. That's the only reason,

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like he would because but then, like, if you're the Kings,

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why on earth do you want to put yourself in

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that situation where the only reason the guy is staying

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is because like, yeah, well you're the only team that's

474
00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:47,160
going to be able to give me this massive right

475
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,759
raise this contract that nobody else can, and like the

476
00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:51,960
second he signs that he's gonna be like I remember

477
00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:55,400
that trade request. Guys, it's it's back like that. That

478
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,880
seems like, I think, as the Kings, what you really

479
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,200
can't do is try to talk yourself into the idea

480
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,759
that this is not over. I think you need to

481
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:09,039
operate as the Kings from the perspective of, like, he's

482
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,640
not part of our future. The only thing we got

483
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,119
to figure out is how to get the most for him. Like,

484
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,960
I just can't see a scenario where they where he comes,

485
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,279
where he comes back or plays the rest of the season,

486
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,799
signs that extension and is like we're good now, like right,

487
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,559
Like that's just so unrealistic to me.

488
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: I yeah, unless there's been like a different message conveyed

489
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,599
than what would like it's going beyond that, where it's

490
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,440
I want you to make a move where I'm gone.

491
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,599
And if it was that, I want you to make

492
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,319
a move where I'm gone, and the Kings then proceeded

493
00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:40,359
to shop him, it's just idiotic. But I don't like

494
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,559
I saw some people too saying I think there's a

495
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:45,119
world in which the Kings trade d Iron Fox and

496
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,640
get better. I don't see it. The two scenarios I

497
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,680
thought of if you were trying to just replicate some

498
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:55,039
of it is do does Miami get in as part

499
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,000
of a Jimmy Butler trade? And say, if they're getting

500
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,640
a first or two first for him or a young

501
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,920
player that goes to Sacramento, then they're investing Tyler Hero

502
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,839
and some of their own remaining draft equity to Sacramento.

503
00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,119
Where does Tyler Hero. Let's say, in a couple first

504
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,119
round picks, are you at least comparable? And then in

505
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,039
a situation where you can continue to improve? And then

506
00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,119
before you even answer that, like the other one would be,

507
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:22,240
is there a way to rope Zach Lavine into any

508
00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,599
darn Fox trade and then just reunite him with Demard Rose?

509
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,680
And I know the way I'm presenting this is pretty clear.

510
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,759
I just don't think there's a scenario in which the

511
00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,759
Kings come out in better shape after they move to

512
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:35,680
Aaron Fox. I was just curious what your thoughts were

513
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:35,920
on that.

514
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty tough sell. I think there's some

515
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,200
logic to it, Like this is a very different conversation.

516
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:44,960
If Malik Monk has not, like increasingly look like someone

517
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:47,599
you're kind of fine with as a main on ball guy.

518
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,279
I think Monk, actually, you know, he's not Fox, but

519
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,279
he he's he's like a legitimate you know, I feel okay,

520
00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:57,960
if the offense is being run by him and it

521
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,440
involves the bonus and you have DeRozan as a bailout,

522
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,960
and maybe Keegan Murray's getting more looks, now, that's not

523
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,279
accounting for whatever else would come back with Fox and

524
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:09,079
how that might affect other guys roles. It's just I

525
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,000
think we still we both kind of I won't speak

526
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,680
for you. I still think Fox is the King's best player,

527
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:17,400
and it's hard to get better if you're trading your

528
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,400
best player, even if you concede that, like, yeah, maybe

529
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,119
there's like some spread the wealth, positive potential and some

530
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,559
you know there, it's not crazy, but I don't think

531
00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:29,839
it's likely that they're better after they move him.

532
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,319
Speaker 1: Now, how does this impact their actual deadline? Is it

533
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,799
just they move to Aaron Fox or they don't, and

534
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:38,880
then you can't do anything else, or at least not

535
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,480
anything else major, because like you can't you can't trade

536
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,920
a first like the whole Candelows first round, but like

537
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,599
that's dead. You can't do that now with the Aaron

538
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,559
Fox on his way.

539
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: Out, That to me is the clearest I would say,

540
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,559
it sort of puts everything else you might have done otherwise,

541
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,880
chase a second big like maybe try to get something

542
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,000
for like Kean Ellis, if you even Devin Carter, like

543
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:02,880
all the stuff we would have otherwise talked about. It's

544
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,559
just kind of like that's not a top the priority

545
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,599
list now. And I think the clearest thing is you

546
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,960
cannot be giving up future draft picks, especially your own,

547
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,279
if you're about to also trade your best player like

548
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,759
that just you have to. So how does it change

549
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:21,359
their death completely? It completely changes their deadline behavior.

550
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,839
Speaker 1: Should they're sort of stuck in stasis then a little bit?

551
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it becomes they're like their

552
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,359
two do list becomes decide whether we're trading Fox now

553
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,079
or later? And then if now get the best we

554
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,039
can for him, and then there is no third item.

555
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,640
It's just like you can't also go look for the

556
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,240
backup big if it's going to cost you assets. Like,

557
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:46,799
I just don't see how that makes sense.

558
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: Well, how do you approach whether he's there? Maybe if

559
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,519
he's not there, it happens organically, but you owe your

560
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,279
pick to Atlanta top twelve protection. If you still have

561
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,559
him on your team, do you shut him down and

562
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,359
like make sure you they might keep that pick anyway,

563
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,559
But do you try and drive up the value of it?

564
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:06,000
Is it? Like how do you approach like what is again?

565
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,559
I think this is a question whether Fox is there

566
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,519
or not? Like what are you if he's not there?

567
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,519
I guess it's dependent on the return what they'll do.

568
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,599
But if he is there, it's that do you keep

569
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,319
just chugging along and trying to make the playoffs and

570
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,160
maybe you hope that there's a change of heart for

571
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,279
some reason and you get.

572
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: More leverage in trade talks over the off season. I can,

573
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,079
I can understand the appeal of that, but I again,

574
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,400
I just don't think I would be too afraid to

575
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,759
go forward thinking this was salvageable as the Kings like,

576
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,720
oh if we, if we, just if we're the best

577
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,400
team in the West down the stretch this season, that'll

578
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,480
convince him. It's like, I don't. I don't think so,

579
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:44,880
because you're you're weighing this run against seven years of

580
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,000
his experience there.

581
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,319
Speaker 1: And also this run might be your like eleven to

582
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,119
fifteen is no joke, Like that might be the pinnacle of.

583
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: Your season, right, And it's like, and where's that get you? Like?

584
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,319
Does is anybody looking at the Kings after that run

585
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,440
saying like, you know what, I kind of like him

586
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,960
against huston in or Okay Ce or whoever in a

587
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,319
in a first round series, Like I don't think so?

588
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:08,640
So yeah, yeah, I like? And also I mean this

589
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,400
is we talk about this with Philly all the time.

590
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,400
It's like you can't really tank hard enough to make

591
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,440
that you know, you're not gonna come out of this

592
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:17,759
with Cooper flag or anything. And then like, what's the

593
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,359
tank even look like? Soa Bonis is indestructible, He's gonna

594
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,839
play every night. Bonas is gonna set your floor at

595
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,519
like five hundred, and so like what do you how

596
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,720
do you you're trading him? You're shutting him down there, they're.

597
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,279
Speaker 1: Honestly there also might be like what is Daron Fox

598
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,440
because he's not gonna withhold services, Like he's not gonna

599
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,480
go with the Jimmy Butler out doesn't Like for Jimmy Butler,

600
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:39,480
there's really no value in going to Jimmy Butler out

601
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:41,720
after the trade deadline because you can't be moved like

602
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,160
it's over, Like the trade deadline is dead, right, he

603
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,240
might play What if he just plays out of his

604
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:50,079
mind because of all this makes all NBA and that

605
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,440
not makes him stay, but that if he makes an

606
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,319
all NBA team, his trade value will go through the roof,

607
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,519
even with just a year left on his deal and

608
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:58,799
proving like, oh, he played the good soldier even after

609
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,559
your request of trade I will say I've been an

610
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,519
advocate for this before the Fox trade request, but if

611
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,839
the price has actually dropped that much to where it's

612
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,160
okay DeRozan and Herder and Lyles and maybe there are

613
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,519
seconds involved, this might embolden me to be like, well,

614
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,039
let's just see what happens before we moved Aaron Fox

615
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,480
over the summer. Once we add Jimmy Butler here, who

616
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,920
we will also then move over the summer because he's

617
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,400
gonna have to pick up his player option or a

618
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,519
broker as sign in trade. I'm saying, if the price

619
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,400
has actually dropped to oh, we don't need to include

620
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:33,960
Devin Carter or like nothing, it's just the salary, maybe seconds,

621
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,759
no swaps, nothing, I would absolutely more, one hundred percent

622
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,440
do it. You're nuked anyway, right and I'm not gonna

623
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,319
You're not gonna lament losing Trey Lyles, DeMar deroze in

624
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,720
And let's say it's for nothing, and Jimmy Butler's a rent,

625
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,079
don't just leaves, which by the way, he won't like

626
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:52,279
he will need your help to get out. But if

627
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,319
he just leaves, it's all right. Like our books are cleaner.

628
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,359
Speaker 2: Not crazy. I think you do risk Jimmy Butler showing

629
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,599
up and being like, I'm not playing here.

630
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Okay, then what happens your draft pick is like, no,

631
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:06,119
right you are?

632
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: I think I don't know. There's got to be like

633
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,079
a term for it where it's like it's already doomed

634
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,920
and you're just like it's just like a fuck it,

635
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,559
Like that's whatever, man, Let's see what happens. Uh. Let's yeah,

636
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:18,480
let's steer into the skid. Uh.

637
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:20,839
Speaker 1: I don't know what message that sends to the bonus

638
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:24,039
where it's okay, DeRozan's gone, Jimmy and Fox are angling

639
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,960
to maybe Jimmy wants to maybe play so well with

640
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,079
the two of them, they both want to stay or something.

641
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,559
I have let it be known. I've been Jimmy Butler

642
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,079
to the King's pilled since basically day one, So I'm

643
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,440
not the person to if the price is really drop

644
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:39,480
that low and there's not a lot of value moving

645
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,480
near Fox, now you kind of you're fucked anyways. Like

646
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,319
it's just like, why not just add another layer of

647
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:46,200
injurgue to it?

648
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Do you have anything else to add here? Should we

649
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,759
just move to the other potential trade partner here, which

650
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:51,440
is the Spurs.

651
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get onto to Spurs. You want to take

652
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,079
us through there again?

653
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: This is you know, the first bullet point is like

654
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,079
might be able to get Aaron Fox. And then after

655
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:03,680
that we should know that they're twenty one million below

656
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,799
of the Tacks. They got all their own first. They

657
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:07,839
got a swap with Boston in twenty eight with top

658
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,079
one protection. They got to swap with Dallas or Minnesota

659
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:11,880
in thirty. They got to swap with the Kings in

660
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,799
twenty thirty one. That, by the way, if I'm the Kings,

661
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,720
that is a high priory. I'm getting that back if

662
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,599
I'm trading you Daron Fox. They have Atlanta's first in

663
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,960
twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven. The middle one's a swap.

664
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,599
They have Charlotte's twenty five first with lottery protection, so

665
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,720
that's gonna be a couple seconds. They have Chicago's twenty

666
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,640
five first with top ten protection. Let's see top eight

667
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,400
in twenty six and twenty seven. They have Minnesota's twenty

668
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,960
thirty one first. So, uh, if you're the Spurs, I

669
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,079
think this should probably be where we start before we

670
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,039
get into the more general deadline stuff. Do you have

671
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,079
what is your stance on the timing of your dearon

672
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,599
Fox pursuit, if we assume it's mutual interest and not

673
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,599
Fox just saying I would like to play with the

674
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,400
tall man, please, Like, what do you think the Spurs?

675
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,960
Is there an optimal time to pull the Can they

676
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,559
in fact wait and just freaking sign him in a

677
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:06,240
couple of years because they because their timelines that long.

678
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: I think we've seen for the most part, if you

679
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:12,519
wait to sign them, you're not going to get them,

680
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,759
Like and if you do wait to sign them and

681
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,480
get them, it's Paul George's turning forty five and you

682
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,799
were able to get him because his team didn't want him.

683
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:24,000
In terms of optimal timing, I mean, what's difficult is

684
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:27,160
they're in twelfth place in the Western Conference and so

685
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,880
this isn't a now move for them, and so is

686
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,720
there just waited out until the offseason, even if you're

687
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,640
gonna maybe he goes somewhere else, and like, if he

688
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,279
goes somewhere else with the Aaron Fox, the type of

689
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,839
player're gonna look back and be the Wemby Wimbow is

690
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,039
screwed because we didn't get d Aaron Fox. I don't

691
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,039
know I do think there should be interest because I

692
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,200
don't know where you land on this. I don't view like,

693
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,599
I don't view them as having a primary floor general

694
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,279
of the future on the team. I don't consider Steph

695
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,400
Castle in Matt Vein of prospect.

696
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: He maybe, but it's wait, like who knows with him right,

697
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,359
Like he could become a half dozen different types of

698
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,920
really good players or none. But yeah, I agree with

699
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,440
that for sure.

700
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Would you if you're the Spurs, like, are you considering

701
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,839
making this move mid season? Because it's not like I

702
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:15,079
guess it increases the likelihood you make the plane in

703
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:17,720
Wemby's year two. And I think you could also argue

704
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,480
if you don't have to give up your own first

705
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,200
round pick this year, because I go back and forth

706
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,599
where it's, well, shouldn't you just capitalize wherever your draft

707
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:26,680
pick lands this year and then make the trade, And

708
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,319
then even if you retain it into Daron Fox trade,

709
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:31,480
it's well, Daron Fox has kind of compromised the value

710
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,880
of that draft pick then, So I'm kind of all

711
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,000
over the place with regards to them.

712
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: So I think it's really it's it's fascinating because we

713
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,359
have in similar cases and I think I have probably

714
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:48,200
in this one. It's kind of like the the Pacers

715
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,920
thing with like you have Haliburton last year, he's this

716
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,519
good now. So the Siakam trade makes sense because like

717
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:56,200
you're it's not like, because Haliburton is early in his career,

718
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,720
you're like trying to really time this out till he peaks,

719
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:01,799
and and you're trying to get guys in that same agement.

720
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,319
It's like no, no, no, he's he's this good. You you

721
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,599
got to start trying to win. Wemby, I think is

722
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,960
deserving of kind of the same treatment where it's like, yeah,

723
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,800
sure he's not in his prime yet, but right now,

724
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,480
I mean, he's an All NBA player and you probably

725
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,079
need to you know, why are you waiting to try

726
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,519
to build the best possible team around him? Not not

727
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,880
to say you should go sign thirty five year olds,

728
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,519
but like Fox is in his prime. This makes sense.

729
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,280
At the same time, the Spurs have this luxury because

730
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,159
of how young Wemby is and because of how just

731
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,079
asset rich they are, so where it's like, yeah, Fox

732
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,760
would be nice, but in the next three years aren't

733
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,239
There isn't there a great chance that someone as good

734
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,320
or better comes along that, like we can maybe we

735
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,320
draft that guy, maybe we trade for him instead, and

736
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,559
we're not on the hook for his third NBA contract

737
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,840
which is gonna cost a mint, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,

738
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,280
I could, I could understand the Spurs. That's why I ask, like,

739
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,119
when do you think this should go down? If the

740
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,159
Spurs are interested? Because I really don't know. I think

741
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:06,960
you can make the case that they should feel significant urgency,

742
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,599
And I think you could also make the case that

743
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,079
like why would why would they feel any urgency at all?

744
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:14,760
Like they've got the golden ticket, They've got wym bin Yama,

745
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,039
who wants to be there, who's only getting better? Like

746
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,880
you can actually afford to be really picky and be like, yeah,

747
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,599
Fox is a good fit, but I don't know do

748
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:26,320
we like what? Why not wait for the perfect one?

749
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,679
Why not wait for someone that's three years younger, you

750
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,280
know what I mean? Like, because they like okay see

751
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,840
or utah or whatever to use your term, Like, they

752
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,159
can create a market for someone if they want to,

753
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,920
with picks and with contracts and whatever. So I think,

754
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,119
just to sort of simplify it, if I'm the Spurs,

755
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,800
I'm happy to give up my own future first in

756
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,519
a package for Fox, and I think, like, I don't

757
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,280
know what the number of first is going to need

758
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,480
to be. That's going to be really interesting because it's, oh,

759
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,519
I want to go to one place, like, so, what's

760
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:02,039
that do to the offer? I would also be comfortable

761
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:06,039
waiting until this summer. I think if you think Fox

762
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,760
is gonna end up there, you don't need to be

763
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,440
sort of animated by the faux urgency of February sixth.

764
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:17,480
I think you can just you can. The Spurs are

765
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:20,719
in the most leveraged position possible, and they, I think

766
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,920
can afford to like exploit that if they want to.

767
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: I mostly agree with you. I probably would even lean

768
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,599
towards I'm not trading for him in the middle of

769
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:32,440
the season. I like, if the cost is Jeremy sohan

770
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,039
salary won Atlanta first and then like a Spurs pick

771
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,079
and maybe that, But like, if it's if it's something

772
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,760
that's just so palatable, go ahead and do it. But

773
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,239
in all likelihood, if that deal is going to be

774
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,599
ultra palatable to be over the off season when he's

775
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,239
one year out from free agency and he's probably applying

776
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,920
even more pressure to the Kings after they've just missed

777
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,800
the playoffs again like that. If I'm the Spurs, That's

778
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,239
what I'm doing. But what is interesting and like a

779
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,639
lines of what you're saying is I still think they

780
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,480
should looking when you get into other needs. Now, if

781
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:04,880
you think dearon Fox is a remote possibility, maybe you're

782
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,159
not looking at Oh, could we get Kobe White from

783
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,000
Chicago's They're another type of playmaker we can grab. But

784
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,920
they should still be looking to upgrade the roster where

785
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,440
it comes to like can we get a front court

786
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,400
like because right now it's Wemby, it's Devin Vsell. And

787
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,519
then if you want to throw Steph Castle like saying

788
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:25,559
these guys like they're the future. Yeah, don't even know

789
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,920
if I'm prepared to say that about Steph. He's early enough,

790
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:29,920
and Spurs fans will push back. They're telling me I'm

791
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,599
an idiot. I know that's what they're gonna say. I

792
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,000
think it's early enough. He's shown enough promise where no,

793
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,360
not looking to move Steph Castle. But if you're talking

794
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,840
about in terms of long term building blocks that you

795
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,679
know these guys can be a part of the next

796
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,280
great iteration of the Spurs. Some people might not even

797
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,559
say vas Celle belongs there, like it's to sell for me.

798
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: I think I think comparison helps because they don't have

799
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,679
anyone right now who you'd say, like a young guy

800
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,280
that's clearly uh it seems to be clearly good enough

801
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,559
as a second like Jalen Williams just because we haven't

802
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:04,360
talked about him in seven minutes, so I had to

803
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,079
bring him up. Uh, they don't have a guy that's

804
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:11,559
like Jalen Williams to Wemby's shay yet like Vasel is

805
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:16,159
not on that level Williams right, not right, and like

806
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,599
Castle is lots of like about him? Who knows right,

807
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:22,679
like if he never figures out how to shoot? Like

808
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,280
what are we talking about? So yeah? And then like

809
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:32,480
just with Spot, with Fox specifically, is is he is?

810
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,679
Is he almost like an insufficiently ambitious target for your

811
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,639
second best player if you're the Spurs, Like can you

812
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,119
aim higher? Like, because here's what we know about Fox?

813
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,239
Made an All Star game, made an All NBA team,

814
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,000
has basically been the best offensive player on a very

815
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,119
good offense, but is the best player on a team

816
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,400
that has been ultimately like pretty disappointing, like not all

817
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,079
his fault but it's not like it's it's not like

818
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,960
he's oh, yeah, how many how many All NBA teams

819
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,480
would you be prepared to say Fox is definitely making

820
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,239
for the balance of his career. If the over unders

821
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,079
zero point five, like you might think about the under,

822
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,239
he might not be an All NBA player going forward,

823
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,480
might be might not if you're the Spurs, is there

824
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,599
some logic and just being like, yeah, that's not good

825
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,400
enough where we can do better? We think, you know,

826
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:20,159
like maybe he's just not the guy for you.

827
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: I think what's tough there viewing it that way? Dearon Fox.

828
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,679
This is the stage of his career when he becomes available,

829
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,079
Like these players become available, like you're not ideally somebody like, oh,

830
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,599
they're a little younger, they're not approaching their third contract.

831
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:38,039
The reality is you never see and when it happens,

832
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,599
it's like, oh, Shay was moved on his rookie deal

833
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,679
because no one's thought but one because the players who

834
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,679
are like approaching their third or four contracts. But also

835
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,320
he was viewed as, oh, there's no way he's a cornerstone.

836
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:51,280
So unless it's the Spurs, you think that you're gonna draft,

837
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,840
that's your plan to draft your number two of the future.

838
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:57,199
I think, Dearn Fox, like, maybe it gets a little better,

839
00:39:57,199 --> 00:39:58,800
but like who is the player? Like again, you have

840
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,360
to think in terms of like not rookie deals or

841
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,719
even on their second contracts, and even something like if

842
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,800
you thought it was LaMelo ball, like okay, maybe, but

843
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,000
is he actually better than Daron Fox right now? The

844
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,960
answer is no. So I think he's good enough, and

845
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,079
I especially wonder now, not that they should set their

846
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,920
sites low on purpose for this, but it is because

847
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,800
he's identified you as his destination. Are you able to

848
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,760
have your cake and eat it too? In the sense that, well,

849
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,760
we didn't give up all these distance Like let's say

850
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,800
they still haven't mini picking in Atlanta pick after this

851
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:29,800
if they either need to add or reorient at some point,

852
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,760
as Daron Fox ages out, that would give you the

853
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,760
flexibility to do that too. I just don't when you're

854
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,559
looking at, okay, who's coming down the pipeline, like what

855
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,440
would be the better, more plausible fit then?

856
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's the thing. Fo one, Fox could be

857
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,079
your third best player. If you're the Spurs, you could

858
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,079
absolutely just get him now and go get somebody that's

859
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,599
better at some point. I think that's right. I was

860
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,280
playing a little bit of the Devil's advocate. The other

861
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,199
thing is, though, like, do we think Fox is going

862
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,840
to be the last guy that says I want to

863
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,239
go play with wemb Yama, Like there's gonna be all like,

864
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,360
this will not be the only time this happened. There's

865
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,599
gonna be other guys that are like, yeah, I'd love

866
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:05,679
to get in there and win a bunch of championships

867
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,079
or whatever. Like it's just that Grass is always going

868
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,199
to be really, really green. I think if you're a

869
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,119
very good player that's on a team that may not

870
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:13,800
be going where you want it to, you can look

871
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,159
over at the Spurs and look at all the shit

872
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,400
they have, all the picks, all the flexibility, and then

873
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,760
Wemby it's like, well, if I'm trying to win, like,

874
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,639
let me get there. So I think Fox is Fox

875
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,480
is the first to come out and really do it,

876
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,800
but he will not be the last. So that's just

877
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,679
yet another feather in the Spurs cap right now because

878
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,360
this will continue. There will be other guys.

879
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: So I think overall, like you the Aaron Fox a

880
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,239
good fit. I think he's a better shooter than his numbers,

881
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,000
like if you could shoot thirty seven percent consistently on

882
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,719
step back threes, which is kind of done for multiple seasons. Yeah,

883
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,159
and like he's still shooting his floater hasn't been great,

884
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:53,360
over fifty four percent off floaders. I think he's a

885
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,760
good fit. If I'm the Spurs, I'm probably still waiting

886
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,920
until the offseason rather than because I just don't know

887
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,800
what the value of adding such a major piece for

888
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,159
them making. Like also you got to kind of figure out,

889
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,400
like though, what's going on with Chris Paul here of

890
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,360
it all? Is he gonna be happy coming off the bench?

891
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,760
I mean maybe if I'm them, I'd rather look to

892
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,599
add elsewhere, like to still try and continue to play

893
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:14,639
in postions. So when you look at this roster, of

894
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,119
course with Darren Fox wanted to go there in the backdrop, like,

895
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:20,039
what do you identify as some of their other biggest needs?

896
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Wemby helps mitigate this if

897
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:25,159
he if he is the kind offensive player, it looks

898
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,119
like he's trending toward which is to say, a spacer.

899
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,519
But you do want more shooting because if you have

900
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,679
a Fox Wemby one five, I think put spreading shooters

901
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,880
out around that is like good luck, Like that's just

902
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,880
gonna be We haven't really seen Fox play with five

903
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,039
out like consistently, Like what's that look like? So the

904
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:45,800
more shooting you can put around him there, I think,

905
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360
the better everything might look. And just in a vacuum,

906
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,440
you want more shooting, like that's that that's gonna be

907
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,639
a need either way. If we're if we're just not

908
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:59,639
talking about Fox at all anymore, I think that's where

909
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:03,719
you start art and then after that it gets complicated

910
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,119
because again it's just like we're still trying to figure

911
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,320
out what kind of team makes sense around Wemby, Like

912
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,960
we have some idea of that now, but I don't.

913
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,519
I don't know. I don't know if I'm I'm looking

914
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:15,199
to make a ton of moves, if I'm I'm certainly

915
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:18,119
not like going crazy by, you know, if I if

916
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:19,679
it's not Fox, I don't know.

917
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: If you disagree with that, No, I don't, I don't disagree.

918
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,079
I still look at them and it's okay, could you

919
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,440
find because Fox isn't gonna check this box? Like what

920
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:30,000
is the future front court partner for? Who is the

921
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,159
future front court partner for Wemby, you don't have them

922
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:35,280
on your Like it's not Harrison Barnes. Julia Champanni is

923
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,880
really good, but like you probably want to upgrade from that,

924
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,280
like or even if it's looking at do you want

925
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,960
to get better back up big than Zach Collins? So

926
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:44,880
I might look in that area. And they also just

927
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,559
don't have because Visella's small castle as a guard. Aside

928
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:51,719
from it, Barnes is aging out more of a cop,

929
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,800
like they don't have wings on this like a ton

930
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,199
of wings on this team. So I might look at it. Okay,

931
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,920
is there can we upgrade the wing spot without getting grazed?

932
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,400
Or can we upgrade the the backup big spot or

933
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,039
just get someone else in the front court who can

934
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:06,320
play alongside Wemby. Those are areas that I would look

935
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,039
at and see that, Okay, well what does it cost

936
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,480
to do that? And I wouldn't be afraid of like

937
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:14,400
trading an imminent first with Zach Collins as salary as

938
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,159
an example, like that's not going to derail you know,

939
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:18,760
maybe you want to keep your own first and you

940
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,760
don't necessarily at this point with the Jalen Johnson injury specifically,

941
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,119
probably don't want to give up Atlantis first either, but

942
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:27,760
like you have other like that's Charlotte, it's two second rounders, Like,

943
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,119
so could you do something like that? I would still

944
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,519
look at making upgrades in those areas.

945
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. What this is kind of

946
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,559
somewhat germane to the deadline conversation. But do you have

947
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,199
a strong opinion on like what kind of four or five,

948
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,280
whichever you want to call it you want next to

949
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,920
Wemby now going forward? Like has his shooting this year?

950
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,599
Because we know it's like it ain't as Zach Collins type.

951
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,119
It doesn't seem to be a Jeremy Sohan type, because

952
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,039
why would you Like just because you can't afford a

953
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:02,159
non shooter at another position doesn't mean you should do that,

954
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,840
you know, and if.

955
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna have them, like he should be able to

956
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:05,079
play the five.

957
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I'm asking because I'm not really sure.

958
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000
I think I think Wemby just allows you to do

959
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,400
whatever you want. But like, do you want like a

960
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,679
burly like who even is this? Do you want like

961
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,000
a burly four that could be someone you throw at

962
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,320
certain matchups that you don't want Wemby to have to

963
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,559
deal with underneath, like do you do you want just

964
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,760
another spacer so that both of your front court spots

965
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,760
are or your four or five spots are playing beyond

966
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,039
the three point line, Like I just I don't know.

967
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,800
He affords you opportunities to have all kinds of different players,

968
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,440
and that's why I think it's an interesting question.

969
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,559
Speaker 1: I think starting along, when you're looking at starting or

970
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:42,960
closing alongside him, you probably want, like what's the better

971
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,480
version of Pee Harrison Barnes or Julian CHAMPENNI like at

972
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:49,480
that four spot. Okay, but I've thought about them as

973
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,480
just in terms of this is now right by the

974
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,199
then like what would it cost to take the flyer

975
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,280
on Robert Williams the third he could play?

976
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,079
Speaker 2: So that's what's interesting, right because you can you could

977
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:01,679
do that, because you can have Wimby guard fours or whatever.

978
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,599
Williams spent a lot of time guarding furs or guarding

979
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,480
nobody and just like flying around, you can afford it.

980
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,400
That's what makes it so interesting, is like any you know,

981
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,400
there's been a lot of talk about like conventional fives

982
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,519
being available at this deadline, and you would all those

983
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:17,880
spurs don't need that. It's like, well they could though,

984
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,599
like they really could go that route if they wanted to.

985
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,039
Speaker 1: If you could do this without having to give up

986
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,360
like first, like even Vucevic, if you're sending out Zach

987
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,440
Collins' salary, you probably don't. I would bring him off

988
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,320
the bench. I wouldn't play him and Wentby together a ton,

989
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,679
but you could.

990
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,639
Speaker 2: Yep, and you know what, you could play him together

991
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:39,000
because Wemby is gonna mitigate all the defensive issues right.

992
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,159
Speaker 1: Now too, So that's you retain five out will be

993
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,440
super huge apparently.

994
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just fascinating. So yeah, again, the fox things hang.

995
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,280
The Fox thing hangs over everything else. We might discuss

996
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,719
about the spurs, but there are like interesting non Fox angles.

997
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: You have a reference by the way of how they

998
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,360
should like go about like a front court partner like for.

999
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,039
Speaker 2: The nation is based on what they've tried that I

1000
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,239
haven't loved, which is Collins like a spacer that is

1001
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,679
just kind of not really a spacer. And then Sohn,

1002
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,079
who's like, well, the defense, we can get away with

1003
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:12,880
putting a one dimensional guy out there, a limited guy

1004
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,079
out there because we have Wemby. I think the only

1005
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,239
thing I'm sure about is that Just because Wemby allows

1006
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,639
you to have like compromised players at other spots, it

1007
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:23,000
doesn't mean you should. I think you should be greedy

1008
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,920
and say like, yeah, we want another five that can

1009
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,800
space because we can get away with it.

1010
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:31,079
Speaker 1: I will say, I think maybe the ideal archetype of player.

1011
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,639
He's been so injured in his career, but to put

1012
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:35,800
next to Wemby might be like Jalen Johnson.

1013
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, not quite like.

1014
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: A floor spacer, but good enough to where he is.

1015
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:40,800
May he don't want to play him at the five

1016
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,920
a ton that's fine, but like he's certainly gonna He's

1017
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,000
more dynamic offensively than a Jeremy Sohn, not as good defensively,

1018
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:49,360
but like still valuable there. But that feels like the ideal,

1019
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,840
Like he feels more ideal than a Jeremy so Hand

1020
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,480
type next to one.

1021
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that, And I think one of

1022
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,400
the prerequisites for me would be you don't have to

1023
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,079
be like a you know, like as U Yabasele, like

1024
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:04,719
whide as you are tall guy, but I want like heft,

1025
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,480
I think I want like I want bulk, but it

1026
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,800
needs to come with like yeah he can space and

1027
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,599
yeah he can move his feet like that kind of thing.

1028
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,880
I just want like someone to offset certain matchups where

1029
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,320
it's like Wemby's just gonna it's not ideal for him

1030
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,400
to be banging with Zubots all the time or Yokic

1031
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:20,960
or whatever.

1032
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon next to wemy that would be a good one.

1033
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,760
Perfect yeah there, but you so you wouldn't want to

1034
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,039
skew you. I'm sorry Spenser's time, but it's fascinating discussion

1035
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,840
of like not him now, but like the Paul George,

1036
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,880
the Kawhi Leonard, the the Kevin Durant of like, okay,

1037
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,559
they're like kind of wings, but there are also fours,

1038
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,840
like you want someone who can slide up to the

1039
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,639
five theoretically.

1040
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,519
Speaker 2: I think so, although like the idea of just a

1041
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,840
bunch of six nine guys around Wemby that can do

1042
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,519
everything is also fun. So I think what we've settled

1043
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,280
on is like you're kind of have a lot of

1044
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:52,920
good ways to go.

1045
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,559
Speaker 1: Also, now you have a built an excuse, not because

1046
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:58,519
I think people mostly probably outside of San Antonio, but

1047
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,559
they want this birds to do something aggressive because wodn't

1048
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:03,280
be so good. Now you kind of have the built

1049
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,480
in excuse of like they're waiting on the de Aaron

1050
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:06,199
Fox situations.

1051
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:07,519
Speaker 2: They couldn't do anything too dramatic.

1052
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,159
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't mention this though, because I just thought

1053
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:11,760
of it. But when you're talking about other players are

1054
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,519
gonna do it, is they're like a rush now, Like fuck,

1055
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:16,800
Dearon Fox is trying to get the Santace. Devin Booker's

1056
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,440
looking at this, is he like, well, actually, like I

1057
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,000
want to go to Santa is like this on rush

1058
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,920
of players who could be thinking about a trade soon

1059
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,719
that are then gonna do it this offseason because Dearon

1060
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,440
Fox is throwing like the the first punch.

1061
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,079
Speaker 2: And if you're really smart, you're like, well, there's only

1062
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,199
one more max salary slot there. I gotta get that

1063
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,519
before it's before it gets stopped up. Yeah, there's there's

1064
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:38,920
now there's new urgency to get there. You gotta hurry up.

1065
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: I favor that. That's Spurs interesting as always. Another team

1066
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,800
that's interesting the Phoenix Suns grant so they can trade

1067
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,079
up to three first round picks. Now they are twenty

1068
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,880
eight point two million dollars into the second aprin They

1069
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,719
also have grant a twenty twenty five second that they

1070
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,360
can trade from Denver or Philly. It's the less favorable,

1071
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,880
but they can send out four draft picks. Now they

1072
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,639
are still linked to Jimmy Butler, which will be predicated

1073
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,000
on moving Bradley Beal, who has no trade clause and

1074
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:08,480
per the latest reporting, would basically be open to any

1075
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,880
team that is good and if he's going to a

1076
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,920
team that's not good, they can't be somewhere cold.

1077
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: And also just not Memphis. That's that's Jimmy Butler.

1078
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: Sorry, he might be okay with Memphis.

1079
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,079
Speaker 2: I don't know why I remember with him.

1080
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: There's nothing new on the Jimmy Butler front. I think

1081
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:28,920
we're both in the camp of Phoenix. Is in so

1082
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,719
deep that if you can get Jimmy Butler and Bradley

1083
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,559
Beal's gonna wave his no trade cause you just do

1084
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:34,000
it right.

1085
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,039
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, now, I mean that's where you are.

1086
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: What's interesting though, is let's say they don't get Jimmy Butler,

1087
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:42,000
Like what are the other needs for this team? Or

1088
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:43,840
like what are they gonna do? And I actually, so

1089
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,480
I read something. This is not my idea. I hadn't

1090
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,679
even thought about it. Uh. Sam Vessini over at the

1091
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,840
Athletic proposed a use of Nurkics for Patrick Williams trade.

1092
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,559
So it's like Chicago's just getting out from the Williams

1093
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,719
deal three years early, and then Phoenix is taking a

1094
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,519
chance on We don't need him to do anything on offense.

1095
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:05,199
We're just gonna hope that he plays really well on defense.

1096
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,239
What do you think of something like that? And by

1097
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,920
the way, they've given up no first round picks in

1098
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,960
that scenario, and I would not give up any first

1099
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:12,440
round picks in that scenario.

1100
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: I mean, so, I think the first thing I thought was,

1101
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,280
if I'm the Bulls, I'm doing that, which is probably

1102
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,039
a bad sign for the Sun's side of it, just

1103
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,400
because I think you're you're just underwater on the Patrick

1104
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,079
Williams deal and and Nurkic's is fewer years at similar money.

1105
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,840
I mean, the Sun say.

1106
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: If you're gonna because you have Nick Richards, who's been

1107
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,320
great for Phoenix. By the way, I still would argue

1108
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,880
that they could use an upgrade at the five. I agree,

1109
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:42,360
But if your idea is like, well, we kind of

1110
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,599
want to play small, so like Kevin Duranta, like having

1111
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:48,320
Patrick Williams on the team just functionally on defense like

1112
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,360
that him and done like it gives you a lot

1113
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,159
of optionality.

1114
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:52,639
Speaker 2: It does.

1115
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: I like it for both teams. I'm not gonna lie now.

1116
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,360
Did I have Patrick Williams number two on my big

1117
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,480
board when he was drafted?

1118
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: Remember things like that? Nobody. I think if we're if

1119
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,960
we just suspend the idea of Butler and just talk

1120
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,599
about the Suns as like a regular basketball team, it's

1121
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,079
pretty clear to me that they you're still doing the

1122
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,320
same things that we wanted them to do over the

1123
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,320
off season, which is like you love a center that

1124
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,800
you knew could close. You love more size on the

1125
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,519
wings so you don't have like Beal needing to guard

1126
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,559
a real score like that's that's not great, or a

1127
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,960
point guard, you know, if you're talking about closing lineups

1128
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,719
that don't have Tyas Jones on the floor, that kind

1129
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,280
of thing. So it's it's pretty pretty vanilla, like it's

1130
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,719
pretty normal team building stuff. While the specter of like

1131
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:52,880
gross inflexibility and expensiveness and age like hangover. But I

1132
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,800
don't really know how much we can talk about them

1133
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,000
independent of the Butler stuff, just because that's it's kind

1134
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:00,599
of like the box and sac ormento thing.

1135
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: How many of these picks, because look, there's a chance,

1136
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,599
just because of how bad it's gotten for Jimmy Butler,

1137
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,119
I would guess that they're not going to have to

1138
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,039
send out more than two of these first round picks

1139
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:11,920
and a Jimmy Butler. Okay, so you're left with a

1140
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,920
first round pick. Is that enough? Assuming it's not this

1141
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,719
year's first round pick, because we know that's going to

1142
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,960
be twenty nine or thirty? Like, is that enough to

1143
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,199
get off the use of Nurkic money while getting back

1144
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,840
someone who will at least play even if you do, like,

1145
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,199
you're not gonna trade use of Nurkic and that twenty

1146
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,519
seven first and get Isaiah Stewart. I understand that, but

1147
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,960
like someone who will at least play for you more

1148
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,320
than Nurkic is now, which is to say at all.

1149
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: Is let's put a name to it. If you're the

1150
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,800
Blazers and it's nurkicen one of those for Robert Williams,

1151
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,559
I think you're saying no, right, I at least, like,

1152
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,000
I don't know if one is enough? What do you

1153
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:47,599
think about that?

1154
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you probably have to find the right team, which

1155
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,800
I don't know what the right team would necessarily.

1156
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,159
Speaker 2: Be well, so what if it's like we're just trying

1157
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,360
to upgrade the center spot even though is that still

1158
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,880
Nick Richards has been good? But but if it's if

1159
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,280
it's Nurkic and one of those firsts for does Mitchell

1160
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,320
Robinson fit? Does he make less than Nurkic? It's really close.

1161
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he makes he wakes way less than Nurkic.

1162
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 2: What's Nurkic like nineteen eighteen.

1163
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:18,519
Speaker 1: He said he's in the eighteens. Will we in the

1164
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:19,440
nineteens next year?

1165
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? So Robinson's comfortably under that is the Knicks aren't

1166
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,199
doing that. The Knicks aren't taking Nurkic and a bad

1167
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,880
first for Mitchell Robinson, are they?

1168
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:31,039
Speaker 1: No, they're not. I mean that would be interesting because

1169
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:34,119
now you have this Mitche Robbins is not playing right now,

1170
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:34,679
so now.

1171
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: There's use of Nurkic. Yeah, but you have this.

1172
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,079
Speaker 1: Massive expiring contract to where like so now and now

1173
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:42,960
you have a first to go out shopping with over

1174
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,519
the office. That's if it was two, I don't know

1175
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:48,400
why you go after Mitchell Robinson. But if it's two,

1176
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,159
that's too much for Mitchell Robinson. I mean, mis Robbs

1177
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,480
is not playing. That's too much for Robert Williams. How

1178
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:56,800
many picks would it take for the trade construction to

1179
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,880
be Nurkic goes back to Portland, you get Timani Kamara

1180
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:03,199
and Robert Williams. The third is that all three? Is

1181
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:04,119
that what it would take it?

1182
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,679
Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely at least two. And if if

1183
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,800
it has to be all three, then are this I

1184
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:17,199
guess Butler is not happening obviously. Uh, that feels like, well,

1185
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,079
those are shitty first though, so like.

1186
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:24,679
Speaker 1: Let's say they're twenty seven and twenty nine that third first?

1187
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: I think maybe because like Kamara is ironically Kamara is

1188
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,519
exactly what the sons I think need or he's he's

1189
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:33,760
pretty close to it and they had him and then

1190
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,280
they didn't. Yeah, three, it's so tough. I don't know.

1191
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,039
Maybe maybe we're wasting time because those three firsts. I

1192
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:45,960
know it's an oversimplification. I know everybody has said this,

1193
00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:49,400
but like, you're not you're not doing that. You're not

1194
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:53,079
you're not splitting up that one first into three with

1195
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,039
like use of Nurkic top of mind, Like, right, you're

1196
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,480
doing that, I hope because the heat said we're gonna

1197
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:01,960
need X for but I think right, Like, I know

1198
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,920
that's like a week old kind of way of thinking,

1199
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,119
but like that that just feels like what those are

1200
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:07,519
for that?

1201
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: Or maybe are they viewing it through the lens of

1202
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,880
and maybe they're not upgrading the center rotation through this,

1203
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,920
But I think they need wings more than anything else.

1204
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,559
Even with Ryan donn and Royce O'Neil, there would be

1205
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,920
is it attaching him to Grace and Allen?

1206
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:21,679
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well that's the other thing is if it's like

1207
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,599
if this wasn't for Butler, then presumably yeah, you're gonna

1208
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:27,639
need one or two for Nurkicchen, one or two for Allen,

1209
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,199
and that's how you go get your your wing upgrades.

1210
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:34,000
Maybe I just don't know. I don't know how, Like

1211
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:38,000
I just I don't know how this ends without those

1212
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,360
at least two of those going to Miami for Butler,

1213
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,039
and then I don't know what one of them gets

1214
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,400
you attached to your bad salary that you don't want.

1215
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: I think you could definitely because I don't know view

1216
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,159
grayceon Allen as I know he has like years left

1217
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:49,679
in his extension, I don't know view him as just

1218
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,840
completely underwater salary. So I think Grayson Allen in a

1219
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,280
first round pick, could probably do something.

1220
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, do I also kind of like

1221
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,440
Grayson Allen and he's not.

1222
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: Where like three point volume is not necessarily assured with

1223
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,360
Phoenix still even though they were shooting more to start

1224
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,840
the year. He is really important. But like, and I

1225
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,760
guess if Bradley Beal is going out, but like, if

1226
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,719
Bradley Beal is still on your team, that probably does

1227
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,480
somewhat diminish the importance of Grayson Allen for sure.

1228
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the other thing to think about too,

1229
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:21,599
is like if you're a team that is in the

1230
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:26,719
market for shooting specialists, like you can do it cheaper,

1231
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,840
like you can go I don't know if they trade him,

1232
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,119
but like Malik Beasley is someone that's gonna cost a

1233
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,639
lot less and like, you know, you're not I don't

1234
00:57:33,639 --> 00:57:37,159
think Grayson Allen is like a top anybody's list, good

1235
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,119
as he's been as a shooter of unbelievable last year

1236
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:43,239
as a shooter, just given the cost, I don't know

1237
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,480
that he's someone you're you're like really circling in your

1238
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:47,800
in your trade deadline prep.

1239
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:50,719
Speaker 1: No, I don't think, Like I don't think you could attach,

1240
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:53,760
like what would it take to get Stewart from the

1241
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Pistons especially, I mean they only have really Duran and

1242
00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,119
Reid as their other bigs unless you like Clipman, So

1243
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,880
I don't like that's too first and Grayson Allen for

1244
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,199
Isaiah Stewart probably rings a little hollow for something.

1245
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is too. And I also think

1246
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:11,519
like Stewart is someone that we talk about because so

1247
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,559
many teams would want him. But then when it's like

1248
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,880
what do you flip it around? Like why would Detroit

1249
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,280
trade him? Like what, he's really good? Like, I don't

1250
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,280
understand why they'd be willing to move him for less

1251
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,679
than like a no brainer return.

1252
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,679
Speaker 1: Do you think that they could get Jay Huff or

1253
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:31,159
Santi al Dama from Memphis? Now, you're not lopping off

1254
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:34,920
salary as part of that, unless you're taking back other salary,

1255
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,840
Like I don't know what salary Memphis. That's like maybe

1256
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,079
Memphis wants to get rid of Marcus Smart, but I

1257
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,639
don't know that they're taking on use of Neurkice and

1258
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:43,880
how many picks from one of those bigs, And that's

1259
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:47,039
that's too much money coming back. So but just because

1260
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,199
Memphis has Edie Jaron Jackson, Junior, Jay Huff, Santi al Dama,

1261
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,559
Brandon Clark, and Jay Huff is so cheap. He just

1262
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:58,119
doesn't play as much like Santi Aldama's in most Improved

1263
00:58:58,119 --> 00:58:59,760
in six minut of the Year conversations right now?

1264
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: But how how much are they going to pay him?

1265
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:03,559
Speaker 1: I think I default to the market for bigs and

1266
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,719
especially restricted for agents. Isn't that robust? But like those

1267
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,000
might be names, but again, then you're not If you're

1268
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:11,679
doing that, you're not serving the other purpose of that's

1269
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:14,679
a singular purpose of we want that big. It's not

1270
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,840
the dual purpose of we've also shed money that we

1271
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:17,519
don't want.

1272
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,199
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. I mean, if you

1273
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,800
had to guess right now, is is Jimmy Butler just

1274
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,920
gonna end up in Phoenix before this deadline?

1275
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,519
Speaker 1: Well, here's my whole thing is I would say yes

1276
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,000
if you told me that Miami will take on Bradley Beal.

1277
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:35,719
Speaker 2: Which it seems like they won't because they really don't

1278
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:38,320
want salary beyond this year, which is like, well.

1279
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: Now they've opened it up that they want they'll take

1280
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,719
on salary through next season. But that also doesn't help

1281
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:43,239
you with Beale.

1282
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: Well, and we've talked about this too. The Heat need

1283
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,199
to make the playoffs.

1284
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: Like so, I mean BeO probably does help them do

1285
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,480
that as opposed to I don't know what else is

1286
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,360
out there for Butler right now. We didn't do this exercise,

1287
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:58,719
so we have to circle back to it most likely

1288
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,159
player to be traded on the we'll start there.

1289
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: We got I think even though he makes a lot,

1290
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:07,840
I think it's Nurkic.

1291
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: That was my pick too, because well, you want.

1292
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: To say Beale, but then no trade clause is just

1293
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:15,199
sitting there like he can just make it not happen.

1294
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: And I still I do not buy. I think he

1295
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,920
might accept a trade there. I don't understand Milwaukee's interest

1296
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,760
in him report it at all.

1297
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:26,599
Speaker 2: It's they just don't need that player, you know what

1298
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:27,719
I mean? I don't. I don't get.

1299
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,559
Speaker 1: I might have understood it if it wasn't maybe if

1300
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:33,800
they were still getting the twenty seven and twenty nine picks,

1301
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:37,280
But it's like I understood it more even when if

1302
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,360
it's like, oh, if they think they're getting Phoenix's twenty

1303
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,559
thirty one, Chris Middleton's better for them if he's healthy,

1304
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:45,239
then Bradley Beal would be and I don't know what

1305
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,000
their defense looks like with both him and Dame there then.

1306
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:50,960
So that's why I picked Nurkis too, is because I

1307
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,880
think at the end, like you, I think you could

1308
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,760
attach to first to Nurkic and like you're at least

1309
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,199
getting off that money, and then someone who will.

1310
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,559
Speaker 2: Play for you. Yeah, I agree with that.

1311
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,519
Speaker 1: Who would be your most likely player to be traded

1312
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:03,119
for the Kings?

1313
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:09,119
Speaker 2: I think? Well, to be consistent, I think i'd have

1314
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:12,239
to say Fox because I don't I mean, you could

1315
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:14,159
say like someone like Keon Ellis, which we didn't really

1316
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,960
even talk about at all, but that's more just like

1317
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,559
I can understand why a lot of teams would be

1318
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:21,880
interested in ke On Ellis, like Denver, which we'll talk about.

1319
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:25,360
I'll just go Fox, even though I don't know what

1320
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,440
percentage chance likelihood I put on it.

1321
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,239
Speaker 1: I think it has to be Fox because why are

1322
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,519
you moving ke On Ellis at this point without worst water?

1323
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,639
Why are you moving Keon Ellis on the contract he's

1324
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:36,400
on in general, like what is their return? And you

1325
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:38,800
like you can't make those decisions. I mean maybe if

1326
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,280
you if you're dead set on Fox is leaving and

1327
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,480
we're going to rebuild. That's when you capitalize off the

1328
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,119
peak of ke on ELS's value. But we know the

1329
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:47,320
Kings are going to think that way. Most likely players

1330
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,599
be traded for San Antonio.

1331
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: Mmm, is it Barnes. I think it's Zach Collins.

1332
01:01:56,119 --> 01:02:00,519
Speaker 1: Okay, they just have that money to match something, include

1333
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:03,440
some type of sweeper unless they're taking back like because

1334
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,800
they because of all that room under the tax, they

1335
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,440
can take back like because it's sixteen million. I think

1336
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,199
they can take back twenty three and change in Zach

1337
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:11,719
Collins trade.

1338
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:12,679
Speaker 2: I don't know who's looking to.

1339
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:16,199
Speaker 1: Save money, but you use Zach Collins, Revouch, Tory Craig

1340
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,079
save the balls a bunch of money. Maybe that only

1341
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:19,360
costs you seconds.

1342
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:20,719
Speaker 2: To get Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

1343
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,639
Speaker 1: Our next team is your team, mister Hughes. Take us

1344
01:02:23,639 --> 01:02:25,719
through the Golden State Warriors here.

1345
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: I got nothing to say, nothing interesting happening. So the

1346
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,079
Warriors are just here. The particulars. They're six million into

1347
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,079
the tax. They're like three hundred grand into the first apron.

1348
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,519
They have a twenty thirty first going to Washington with

1349
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:42,760
protection one through twenty. That'll be a twenty thirty. Second,

1350
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:46,079
if not conveyed, they can still trade if they're in

1351
01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:49,480
the buying mode up to three firsts, which because of

1352
01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:52,320
some other protections, it can be their twenty five or

1353
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,679
twenty six and their twenty six or twenty seven, and

1354
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:58,960
then twenty thirty the basically not the protected portion of that.

1355
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:02,199
So twenty one through thirty that's confusing to read and

1356
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:05,599
say of their twenty thirty first. We have talked a

1357
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,239
lot about the Warriors and whether they should or shouldn't

1358
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,639
be looking to make significant additions. It is interesting that

1359
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:17,920
as the Butler price has come down, seemingly it's a

1360
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,400
little easier to justify. And I don't know how far

1361
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,760
it would have to come down for me to get

1362
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,760
on board, but like, what's what does that mean? Does

1363
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,880
that mean you're not having because the outgoing salary for

1364
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,679
any significant Warriors trade still has to be Andrew Wiggins

1365
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:38,000
or Draymond Green And if it means those guys and

1366
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,960
some expirings with no firsts or with no kaminga, is

1367
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,480
that what the price has come down means? And then

1368
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:46,480
in that case, like what are we really talking about?

1369
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,960
It's so in a same in some ways, like the

1370
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,519
Warriors are in a similar position. But as these guys

1371
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:57,079
that are available just don't get traded, things change a

1372
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,440
little bit because maybe the calculus of like, oh, it's

1373
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,360
not worth it because they can't get good enough, Maybe

1374
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,519
that changes a little bit. Right, I'm really more like

1375
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,719
trying to talk myself into getting behind some action at

1376
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:09,320
some point here.

1377
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,679
Speaker 1: No, shouldn't. They're too bad. They missed the window. This

1378
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:14,159
should have been done, you know, not for nothing, but

1379
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:15,840
the way that we criticize the Kings for like being

1380
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,440
fake in on Pascal siaka minojiananob the Warrior.

1381
01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: You got that multiple occasions.

1382
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: Over the years, And there was also a way to

1383
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,760
straddle the middle ground, which they did not do. They

1384
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,960
decided that it has to be an all or nothing proposition,

1385
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,039
even though they don't have the type of assets that

1386
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:32,719
are going to get you in all proposition. While there

1387
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:35,639
are other teams in the running now the Jimmy Butler stuff.

1388
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,719
If the price has dropped low enough to like, I

1389
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,840
understand Andrew Wiggins has had a good year, if you're

1390
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,599
not dead set on being like great for steps remaining years.

1391
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,800
If that's the cost of a flyer on Jimmy Butler.

1392
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: You pay it.

1393
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:53,559
Speaker 1: That is not I'm sorry, that should just be maybe

1394
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,199
you're more likely to catch lightning in a bottle with

1395
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,400
Jimmy Butler as you're number two than you are as

1396
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,880
Andrew Wigs is what your number he's not even their

1397
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,000
number two offensive option.

1398
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: Really unfortunately sometimes he is, which is the problem. But yeah, no,

1399
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:09,159
I I even I can get on board with that.

1400
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,239
If the if you're talking ceiling, if you're talking about like,

1401
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,679
it's not lip service. We are gonna do everything within

1402
01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:20,320
the edge of like being reasonably possible to put the

1403
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,320
best team on the floor with the highest ceiling next

1404
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,599
around steph now and next year I or at least

1405
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:27,960
just forget next year. We'll talk about now then one

1406
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,599
hundred percent, like Jimmy Butler gives you a better chance

1407
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:33,519
of like, oh my god, they won two playoff rounds

1408
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,159
like that. That than Andrew Wiggins says, I. I'm on

1409
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:36,920
board with that.

1410
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: Now in terms of and then you would attach additional

1411
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,079
salaries and you have to kind of like at that point,

1412
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:43,159
if you're trading Andrew Wiggins, does it make Gary Payton

1413
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:45,480
the second more important and you're gaming it? So do

1414
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:47,599
we have any updates? On the shrewder injury. I saw

1415
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:48,320
he left the court.

1416
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any.

1417
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: I am probably if you're getting Jimmy Butler trying to

1418
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,360
include his salary in that deal though, So this trade

1419
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,480
happens on February fifth or six, I want to ask

1420
01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:00,719
you are you willing to include anything additional? And I'll

1421
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:02,719
tell you where my stance is because it might surprise you.

1422
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,679
If because the Warriors are so bad, well, are so

1423
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:07,239
not great?

1424
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:08,039
Speaker 2: Mediocre?

1425
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're mediocre. I'm not including much now. If you

1426
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:14,039
told me it was a protected twenty twenty five first

1427
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:17,400
round pick, that immediately turns into something else done.

1428
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:18,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1429
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:20,079
Speaker 1: What I find more interesting is what if it's not

1430
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:22,960
the pick, what if it's Jonathan Kaminga.

1431
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:27,159
Speaker 2: I think that gets harder because it doesn't it feel

1432
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,079
to you like the fact that he hasn't been I mean,

1433
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:32,280
he's been hurt, so it's kind of like taking a

1434
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,119
lot of the discussion, you know, off the table. The

1435
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:37,920
fact that he's still on the team and you haven't

1436
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,000
heard any rumblings at all is like I think maybe

1437
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,800
they're just going to re sign him, like are there

1438
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,679
you know, let him go to restrictive free agency and

1439
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:49,000
match something that's more likely. Now I think I'm well,

1440
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:52,440
if it's between, oh, would you as a sweetener, even

1441
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,840
though it's not the right term exactly include cominga or

1442
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,079
that protected twenty five. First you're talking about I'm giving

1443
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:02,760
up the first way before I'm giving upkaminga. I don't

1444
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,519
know if I'm doing both though, like.

1445
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: And then as if that's the alternative, because I think

1446
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:13,159
I look at it through this is the warrior stance

1447
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:15,519
has puzzled to me because they're so concerned about not

1448
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:19,400
mortgaging their future, which would make sense if they had

1449
01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:23,760
the post Steph building block already in place. You cannot

1450
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,320
sell me on Jonathan Mingo being that player, And so

1451
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:28,639
now I'm looking at it as, Okay, you get to

1452
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:31,079
keep your imminent first round picks. Those are going to

1453
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:33,760
be mediocre. They're probably not going to turn into building box.

1454
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,239
What you're really saying is rather hoping we get lucky

1455
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,719
in kind of the post lottery or late lottery, which

1456
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:41,199
again is fine, or we're just really not gonna start

1457
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,840
thinking about the future until Steph is gone or one's

1458
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,679
out or is really declining again also fine. But like,

1459
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:50,119
if that's your stance, I think that makes Jonathan camining

1460
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:53,039
A more expendable, and so because of what he's gonna

1461
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,480
cost in his next deal for the duration of the

1462
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:00,079
STEPH window, I would rather pay Jimmy Butler than Jonathan Kmingo,

1463
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:03,280
maybe because it's shorter term. Now, if you're telling me

1464
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,679
it's the if the terms are protected, twenty twenty five

1465
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:09,480
first round pick then immediately turns into something else or cominga.

1466
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:12,880
There's not a choice. It's the pick. But if the

1467
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,400
heater only willing to do the deal, or if you

1468
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,359
can only get the deal done. If because Kmena is

1469
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,720
also valuable as like an actual salary piece, because Andre

1470
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,560
Rigans isn't making a ton relative to Jimmy Butler. So

1471
01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:26,199
I would be open to moving Kaminga or that pick

1472
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,880
if I'm the Warriors because of where I'm at now,

1473
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,239
this would have been a different conversation and they followed

1474
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:33,359
my lead, which they should have. Let's all just agree,

1475
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:35,600
I would give up one or the other, but I

1476
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,439
wouldn't give up both. And that's as deep. It's Wiggins

1477
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,720
one of those two assets other salaries. That's as deep

1478
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:46,359
as into the This is short of Giannis Attentakupo demanding

1479
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:48,880
a trade and only wanting the Warriors or something that's

1480
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,800
as deep as into the buyer as well that I'm

1481
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,159
going looking at my assets stash if I'm home.

1482
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:57,520
Speaker 2: In the state. Now, are you thinking this way with

1483
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,600
the idea being that Butler is on the team beyond

1484
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,439
this season? Or is it just if all I know

1485
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,920
I'm getting is this half season rental or does cause

1486
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,199
you're talking about like comparing having to pay Butler beyond

1487
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:14,840
this year versus Kaminga beyond this year, like I would

1488
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,600
need to be I don't know, I'm not comfortable with

1489
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,920
either of the either of those propositions really, but like

1490
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:23,800
I would be, you gotta know that Butler's staying right,

1491
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,720
and I don't know how you can know that for sure,

1492
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:27,720
given I mean, like.

1493
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,159
Speaker 1: That's intel you if he's if he's thinking about leaving,

1494
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,319
then you just don't trade. Yeah, it would be my stance.

1495
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:35,840
And by the way, anything I do if I'm the

1496
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,479
Warriors at this point, like I'm duck in the tax

1497
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:39,800
like a.

1498
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,119
Speaker 2: Thing, which is easy though, right because you've got all

1499
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:45,640
this expiring salary you can just send out. If that's

1500
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,279
all this deadline amounts to, that's probably disappointing, but like,

1501
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,680
if you're talking about most likely scenarios, just like dumping

1502
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,399
GP two or Looney somewhere to duck the tax is like,

1503
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,199
that's probably pretty high on the likelihood scale, and you.

1504
01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:59,199
Speaker 1: Can even while taking on Jimmy Butler's money, Like there's

1505
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:00,600
a way for you to figure out to do it

1506
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,279
as well. I'm still probably doing that just to like, Okay,

1507
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,199
like this because even if you get Jimmy Butler, I

1508
01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:07,039
think that maybe spurs a plane push you can get

1509
01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:10,399
to the playoffs. I just I'm very curious. This is

1510
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,880
all to say of how low the Jimmy Butler asking

1511
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,720
price is dry because it didn't seem like it was

1512
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,560
super high to begin with, or at least they weren't

1513
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,199
going to get much to begin with. So most likely

1514
01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:20,359
player to be traded here.

1515
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:26,319
Speaker 2: I will say, uh, Gary Payne the second. I think

1516
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,079
I think you could make a case for Looney, Kyle Anderson,

1517
01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:31,760
Buddy Healed. I feel like he's the most like they

1518
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,359
could Luny. It's close, it could be Loony, but I'll

1519
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:36,039
go GP two.

1520
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:38,119
Speaker 1: I think GP two's the right answer, especially if you

1521
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:40,079
think Andrew Wiggins is still gonna be I think just

1522
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:43,039
Gary pay this is like basically a wing for you. Yeah,

1523
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:46,239
defensively and as of right now, you don't necessarily need

1524
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:48,239
that with Moody and Wiggins. And if you think is

1525
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:50,279
going to be healthy. If I will say, if I

1526
01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:53,319
could move Kyle Anderson without having to include a weeder,

1527
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:54,359
I would absolutely do it.

1528
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,159
Speaker 2: He would be choice age and he's got two more

1529
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:01,239
years after this one low number. But it's just like,

1530
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:04,680
I don't I think he's the He's just not someone

1531
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,079
you need on that's someone that.

1532
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:08,239
Speaker 1: Might become valuable, like if you know that might be

1533
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:09,520
part of the value for them, Like oh you get

1534
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,800
off a him and Jimmy Butler trade too, like that

1535
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,199
helps them a little bit. Anything else on them? Do

1536
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:18,279
you think the most likely outcome to me would be

1537
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:19,800
that they try to duck attacks?

1538
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we didn't really talk about the Vouchovic

1539
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,800
of it all. But like I keep seeing that twenty

1540
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,439
five first going out for no way, man, it's gonna

1541
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,359
be seconds or nothing if.

1542
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:35,239
Speaker 1: It's top twenty five protected and then turns into something else. Sure,

1543
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:37,560
go right at Chicago. If you want the optics of

1544
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,039
we go to first Road.

1545
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 2: Right, we got you gotta want to be able to

1546
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:41,800
say you got it first.

1547
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,359
Speaker 1: After the Golden State Warriors, we are on to a

1548
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:47,399
team bench. I thought it was gonna be less active,

1549
01:11:47,399 --> 01:11:50,119
but the Derek Lively injury on top of the Maxi

1550
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:53,039
Kleiba injury on top of Daniel Gafford was dealing with

1551
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:56,159
Dwight Pollocks. She's dealing with some hip stuff. The marriage

1552
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:58,319
are pretty banged up in the front court. But let's

1553
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,279
get to their vitals. Five point two million dollars into

1554
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:03,119
the there's a blank on the screen, but it's the

1555
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,920
tax twenty twenty seven first round pick, oh to Charlotte

1556
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,960
top two protected. Then it becomes Miami's twenty eight second.

1557
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,600
They have their twenty twenty eight first round pick going

1558
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,800
to OKC as part of a swap. Their twenty twenty

1559
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,079
nine first round pick we'll head to Houston or Brooklyn,

1560
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:19,439
and their twenty thirty first round pick we'll head to

1561
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,119
San Antonio. Ken head to San Antonio as part of

1562
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:25,439
a swap. Basically, they can still trade a twenty twenty

1563
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,239
five first a twenty twenty six swap, and they're twenty

1564
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:30,800
thirty one first. If they're looking to do something spicy.

1565
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,920
I am a big believer grant that this team is

1566
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,920
just way better than its record shows because they've been

1567
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,920
so banged up. But if you're the Mavericks, how are

1568
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,199
you approaching this trade deadline?

1569
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? So that I agree with you in that informs

1570
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:50,359
my thoughts because the most glaring immediate need is a

1571
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:55,199
big because you're just your starters out. Gafford is fine,

1572
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:58,840
but not someone that you can play thirty seven minutes

1573
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,399
a night. Kleiba is injured, I don't know if you

1574
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,600
mentioned that, and Powell is even if he's healthy, is

1575
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,720
like really just like an adult in the locker room

1576
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,359
kind of kind of thing. So like knowing that, I

1577
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:16,520
still think I would rather go try to find another PJ.

1578
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,960
Washington type because I'm assuming that as long as they

1579
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,760
get in, they'll have Lively back, hopefully for the playoffs,

1580
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,439
and and like then you're just you're okay there. The

1581
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,600
bigger need is I think you could just one. You

1582
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,359
can never have too many of them. But the bigger

1583
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:34,000
need I think is just another guy that's going to

1584
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:37,319
make open threes in guard. So that's like that's risky

1585
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:39,319
because what if Lively is not healthy and you didn't

1586
01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:41,239
go get another big and you just head into the

1587
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:45,159
playoffs with like one serviceable center that I'm just gambling

1588
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:48,319
a little bit and saying I'd rather get another wing

1589
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,920
for you know, just because you you're always going to

1590
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,119
need those guys on this particular team.

1591
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,119
Speaker 1: I would I think I would agree with you. I'm

1592
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:58,640
wondering if, like I do, want they could still use

1593
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,319
a different kind of big just because cause if it's PJ.

1594
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,960
Gaffer or you're assuming Lively's healthy, I guess that's enough.

1595
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:07,199
But like at this point, it's okay with the injuries

1596
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:09,479
that Lively's dealt with, and we know, like you just

1597
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,760
can't really count on Kleiba anymore from a health perspective.

1598
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:15,119
The two names I thought of of kind of that

1599
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:18,000
would fulfill the quota that you were talking about. What

1600
01:14:18,039 --> 01:14:21,239
would it take to get Chris Bouchet and Akbaji from Toronto?

1601
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:23,880
Because you can match the money pretty easily.

1602
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: I think if you're getting both are I think you've

1603
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,880
probably got to give up one of those firsts, don't

1604
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,960
you think? Probly?

1605
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I'm like, but you could

1606
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,560
protect this year's first just against disaster just because of

1607
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,800
all the injuries. Yeah, I might do it, Like if

1608
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,920
Kleba is the outgoing salary too, and then you figure out,

1609
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,319
like who do you want the other salary to be

1610
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:48,479
as part of that? I mean, I mean O Max

1611
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,560
is kind of like a lottery ticket at this point,

1612
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,119
So I don't think I'm including him in that deal

1613
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:54,920
unless it's you could do it with like seconds and

1614
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,880
no first like then sure we could talk about O Max.

1615
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,239
But is it if it's Kleba and Dwight power hole

1616
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:03,720
for Bouchet and or Kleeba and Dante exem maybe mas

1617
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,560
fans want to keep him around for when he But

1618
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,119
if it's like one of those two guys, or markif Morris,

1619
01:15:09,159 --> 01:15:11,159
I think we'll get you there, because what's Kleba at

1620
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:11,880
He's eleven?

1621
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 2: He was eleven, and.

1622
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: So markif Morris is like two thirteen, So that gets

1623
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:18,760
you to thirteen, So that would come close. I think

1624
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,479
I might actually make it work with Toronto, because what

1625
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:24,439
does a bogie make He's at four, Bouche's at ten

1626
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,199
point eight. That's fourteen point eight, seriocal It might need

1627
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:29,840
to be the but they are under the first apron

1628
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:30,560
as of right now.

1629
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,399
Speaker 2: There we're just rope in. That's close enough to her. Yeah,

1630
01:15:33,399 --> 01:15:36,439
we'll rope a third team in with some fake second

1631
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,880
going somewhere. If you needed to really make it happen.

1632
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:43,359
I think yeah, I think a twenty five first that

1633
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,520
is pretty I mean it's well, that's the thing with

1634
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,159
Dallas is like that would be.

1635
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,079
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. Sorry, I was gonna say Lotto protected.

1636
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then what I mean it has.

1637
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: To turn into seconds because you have that twenty seven

1638
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,680
first going to Charlotte, but your betting is Toronto that

1639
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,039
it would convey. They might view, they might say, we

1640
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:06,039
don't want to first, we'd rather have ak Bagi, but

1641
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:08,239
like this is third year they kind of think about

1642
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,399
in that contract, and he's someone like he's been pretty

1643
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:12,000
good this year. That's why I don't know if Mass

1644
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:14,079
fans have like paid attention to him, but having him

1645
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:16,479
and Bouchet, who is on like which hadn't be shooting

1646
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,920
like fifty percent from three over his last fifteen or

1647
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,039
sixteen games. Yeah, the types of shots he's gonna be getting,

1648
01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:25,720
like when the Mass are fully healthy, he's my sirens almost.

1649
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,520
So maybe is that trade egregious?

1650
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,079
Speaker 2: Like are you not?

1651
01:16:28,119 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: But you know I think that is you got off

1652
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,239
of Kleebla's money in that.

1653
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:36,079
Speaker 2: I think I think if anybody's maybe the way to

1654
01:16:36,119 --> 01:16:38,520
look at it is this. I think if anybody's hesitating

1655
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,159
on that, it's Toronto. So by definition that means it

1656
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:44,039
is probably a pretty good deal for the mouse, but

1657
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:45,960
not not out of the realm of possibility at all.

1658
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: Now, if they're thinking smaller and they say, you know what,

1659
01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:52,760
because we have Quentin Grimes and Klay Thompson and Naji Marshall, like,

1660
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,880
are we really gonna how much is ak Bagie gonna play?

1661
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,039
How much are we gonna need that type of wing help?

1662
01:16:57,359 --> 01:16:59,920
I think getting a Chris Bouchet like in a back

1663
01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:02,039
should just be like, if you're giving up Kleba as

1664
01:17:02,039 --> 01:17:05,520
the matching salary, even with that year left on his deal,

1665
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,720
I don't think that should cost you first round equity

1666
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,680
to get like off right, you could probably get seconds

1667
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:10,840
and clean Bouchet.

1668
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think, so is there any way they

1669
01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:20,239
manage all this and also duck the tax that it would?

1670
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,399
Speaker 1: So? I mean when you look at like if they

1671
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,239
need to shed six million dollars in salary basically and

1672
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:30,479
you're bringing back what, let's say fifteen as part of

1673
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:35,079
Bouchet and uh ak Baji if that's the If it's Bouchet,

1674
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,359
I feel like it'd be pretty easy to get there.

1675
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,720
It's like we'll include another contract own in Toronto that's expiring,

1676
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,159
and then just between Mark Eith Morris being on his minimum.

1677
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,279
I don't think it's impossible. But how do you get

1678
01:17:46,319 --> 01:17:49,960
to twenty one million dollars as Dallas It would have

1679
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,439
to be so Powell and Cleba gets you to fifteen,

1680
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,720
and then if you're markif Morris, that's another two that's

1681
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,760
I don't think you can get. Like if you did,

1682
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,039
you'd be like, okaytexm is he just getting out of

1683
01:18:02,119 --> 01:18:04,279
here as well? It'd be tight to duct attacks and

1684
01:18:04,279 --> 01:18:07,800
get ak Bajiem Bouchet you could feasibly get. You could

1685
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,079
certainly get Akbagie and Junct Attack. He's so cheap, but

1686
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:10,720
I think you could do.

1687
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:12,199
Speaker 2: You'll probably do one or.

1688
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:15,039
Speaker 1: The other and realistically duct attacks if you're them. Is

1689
01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:18,279
that with Kyrie hitting free agency, with Luca's next deal

1690
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:21,079
coming up, is that something you're making a priority.

1691
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, I don't it can't be that high a priority.

1692
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,920
I was thinking, if you can turn Kleiba into someone

1693
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,399
that makes like four or five million, and you sweet

1694
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,560
incentivize that with a second or something like that. I

1695
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,399
just don't know, like how it doesn't feel smart to

1696
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:42,239
be prioritizing let's get under the tax and I mean,

1697
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,640
because it's Kleiba, it's like, well, he's not going to

1698
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,439
be an integral piece of the rotation, so maybe there's

1699
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,119
some logic there. It doesn't feel like the type of

1700
01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:51,279
move a team that made the finals and like we

1701
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,079
both agree could could maybe get there again.

1702
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: I guess if you're gonna end up doing nothing and

1703
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,680
it's oh, we need to get rid of Dwight Powell

1704
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,000
and Markith Morris and we ducked attacks that way, Yeah,

1705
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,039
that's probably fine, yea. Or do you think that this

1706
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:09,119
team do you think that they have the ability to

1707
01:19:09,159 --> 01:19:11,239
do nothing because of what we really think that they

1708
01:19:11,239 --> 01:19:12,920
could be if everybody's.

1709
01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 2: Healthy, Do they have the ability to do that?

1710
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,279
Speaker 1: Would you be if you're a mass fan or if

1711
01:19:17,279 --> 01:19:18,920
you're just like, do you want this team to do

1712
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,560
something to address one or two of the knees that

1713
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,319
we sort of out later? Do you think that because

1714
01:19:23,319 --> 01:19:26,239
of the conceptual depth that they have at full strength,

1715
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,960
because look, there were some just neither of the players

1716
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,920
we mentioned is gonna help this. Like they lost. They

1717
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,079
were winning the Luga don Lugadontrich minutes he goes down.

1718
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:36,399
They've now lost the non Luga Dootrich minutes. Of course,

1719
01:19:37,119 --> 01:19:39,319
different type of sample size because you're going up against

1720
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:42,319
like opposing team's best units a lot without him. But

1721
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:44,520
do you think that they have that they're talented enough

1722
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,239
to say, like, we're just gonna sit tight and hope

1723
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:46,880
we get healthy.

1724
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,199
Speaker 2: I think you have to say that. I think you

1725
01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:52,159
have to have that as an option because you know,

1726
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,680
because of what they did last year and because of

1727
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,359
how good they have looked in short bursts when Luca

1728
01:19:57,399 --> 01:20:00,479
was like looking fit and like healthy and they had

1729
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,000
a relatively full rotation. Yeah, this is one of those

1730
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,399
situations where like we have to talk about potential ideas

1731
01:20:07,399 --> 01:20:09,720
for all these teams, and then we always gloss over

1732
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,760
the whole like, yeah, doing nothing is an option, and

1733
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,119
maybe we're not giving that enough credence With this team

1734
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:15,399
in particular, I.

1735
01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: Still think I would, like, I don't think they're gonna

1736
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:18,960
do nothing, So I think if they end up not

1737
01:20:19,039 --> 01:20:21,520
being like buyers, they're gonna try to duct attacks. So

1738
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,960
I don't think they'll end up doing nothing. I would

1739
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,600
like to see them. Could they do seconds in Cleveland?

1740
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,079
Get like another big in there. I mean, if it

1741
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:31,039
gets you a wing. I'm just assuming it won't. That's

1742
01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:32,960
why I'm not mentioning that. But like the Bouchet deal

1743
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:33,840
to me, makes a lot of sense.

1744
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that one.

1745
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,359
Speaker 1: We go to the Denver Nuggets. They are eleven point

1746
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,840
seven million dollars into the tax five point seven million

1747
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,439
dollars into the first apron they I'm not gonna go.

1748
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,680
If you're watching on YouTube, I have all their picks

1749
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,079
that are owed moving forward on the screen. They can

1750
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:52,359
still trade their twenty thirty one first round or just

1751
01:20:52,399 --> 01:20:55,119
has to be conditional upon their twenty five, twenty seven,

1752
01:20:55,159 --> 01:20:59,039
and twenty nine first rounders conveying to Orlando, OKC and

1753
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:02,880
OKA see that order. They also have three swaps to trade,

1754
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,680
not nothing when you're looking at the out years of

1755
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,720
twenty eight and thirty. Of course, twenty twenty six probably

1756
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,479
worthless unless it's going to the Thunder. Might consider like

1757
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,800
exercise and met swap h grant. What are you looking at? Like?

1758
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,439
What do you've used? This team's biggest need entering the deadline.

1759
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,239
Speaker 2: I mean, let's hit the checklist. Like one is, can

1760
01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:22,960
you turn I don't know if it's a need. Can

1761
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:25,920
you make Zeke Nausey become someone that you're gonna play

1762
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:30,600
and have some value in your rotation? Another big behind

1763
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,359
Jokic even though as we talk about, fairly off and

1764
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,119
like Aaron Gordon will probably play a backup center quite

1765
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:39,319
a bit and it matters. Yeah, yeah, like it's still

1766
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:41,960
I think you still just if we're talking about needs,

1767
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,439
that's a need. You just you don't have a capable

1768
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:50,159
backup big for Jokic, just another another This is the

1769
01:21:50,199 --> 01:21:52,399
first time we've said three and D wing so far.

1770
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,600
That's a record if we're if that's if you didn't

1771
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,680
just say it for Dallas, probably probably to use a

1772
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,399
different like a different descriptor like they need a Yeah,

1773
01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:06,479
I probably did actually say three and D wing. Yeah,

1774
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,199
And you know, I don't know if you have any

1775
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:11,600
other glaring needs like they just it's the story with

1776
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,520
Denver is the inflexibility and the difficulty of pulling anything

1777
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:20,119
off given their lack of assets and apron induced issues.

1778
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:22,920
So like, I don't know if you have another another

1779
01:22:23,039 --> 01:22:25,920
need to talk about. I'm all ears, but then like

1780
01:22:26,039 --> 01:22:27,760
maybe we really do just need to talk about like

1781
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,119
what's actually possible, like what the constraints are, because that

1782
01:22:31,239 --> 01:22:32,159
is the story for them.

1783
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: I do think what's interesting is that they've been playing

1784
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,479
in like a vacuum so much better than they kind

1785
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,279
of were at the start of the season. I think

1786
01:22:40,279 --> 01:22:42,960
that even more than a three and D wing, I'd

1787
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,119
probably lean into offensive versatility and be like, is there

1788
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:48,640
a better version of what Julian Strowther's kind of doing

1789
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,720
right now? Like they need a capslock shooter aside from

1790
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,920
Michael Porter junior, Julian Strauther's been playing better. Do you

1791
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:55,800
trust him in the playoffs? And so I would couch

1792
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,079
it with caps lock shooter who would crack your postseason

1793
01:22:59,159 --> 01:23:03,079
rotation without without hesitation, because I think you get enough

1794
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:05,399
of like they're not really have the three, but like

1795
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,279
you don't want to skew too far towards defense when

1796
01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:10,399
you have Brown and Peyton, Watson and even Gordon in there.

1797
01:23:11,159 --> 01:23:14,000
But what can they do at this point? It's just

1798
01:23:14,279 --> 01:23:16,199
the first of all, they're limited, Like we know Yokic

1799
01:23:16,279 --> 01:23:19,239
isn't going anywhere, Jamal Murray, Naron Gordon are trade ineligible.

1800
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,319
I know people float around Michael Porter Junior trades, but

1801
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:24,039
like I just said, I want them to get a

1802
01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:24,760
capslock shooter.

1803
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 2: Are you the trades are only capslock.

1804
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:30,079
Speaker 1: Shooter and then get who I think it's what I

1805
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:32,199
would be trying to do, and like, let me know

1806
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:33,600
if you agree or if you just think it's like

1807
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,720
ride this out. I'm trying to see, like, all right,

1808
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,039
what can these swaps? Can they get us off of

1809
01:23:38,119 --> 01:23:41,119
Dario Sharitch and or Zeke Najy for someone who would

1810
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:44,279
play where it's how many swaps would you give to

1811
01:23:44,359 --> 01:23:45,920
Charlotte to get Cody Martin.

1812
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:53,319
Speaker 2: For Zeke Naji Hmm. That's such a low level move.

1813
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:56,239
Speaker 1: Notable about this team unless they do something different. They

1814
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,399
have zero second round picks to trade right now, which

1815
01:23:58,399 --> 01:23:59,640
is also what makes their situations.

1816
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: So that's the thing. So any swap feels like too much,

1817
01:24:03,079 --> 01:24:05,439
But if that's what you got, that's what I was thinking.

1818
01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:07,840
I guess I do one. I wouldn't go more than

1819
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,600
one if if I'm trying to get a player like

1820
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,079
Cody Martin, but like you could do, you could do,

1821
01:24:13,279 --> 01:24:15,720
say let's just involve the Pistons because we have to

1822
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:20,319
because of the cash space. Like Sarich and Nause for

1823
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,960
like in a swap for Simoni Fontechio or something something

1824
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,319
like that, Like I don't.

1825
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,319
Speaker 1: So that's that's interesting. So you need two swaps for that.

1826
01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:32,199
Speaker 2: By the way, I think you would have to go dumping.

1827
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six does sorry, twenty eight and thirty because

1828
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,439
I don't think twenty I mean, Detroit's pretty good, but

1829
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,279
they're not gonna think So you would have to go

1830
01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:45,439
twenty eight and twenty thirty swaps with Sharich and naj

1831
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,880
for Simoni Fontechio. I would Probably it's tough because of

1832
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,680
Simoni Fontachio closing games.

1833
01:24:52,079 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 2: Probably no either are those other two guys?

1834
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: Uh? If if you can do one swap with Zeke

1835
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,760
Najy for Code Martin, I would do that for sure.

1836
01:25:02,359 --> 01:25:05,079
I'm assuming any of the swaps is just like unless

1837
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:07,800
you're including all three, like it's not twenty twenty six,

1838
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,600
like teams are not gonna Maybe it's for the optic six. Oh,

1839
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,640
Charlotte got twenty six and twenty eight swaps from Denver,

1840
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:16,159
like for the optics of it.

1841
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:19,039
Speaker 2: Do you think it's likely they do that?

1842
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,079
Speaker 1: I never would do it. I don't think he should

1843
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:24,119
do something like that.

1844
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should. I kind of don't. As glaring as

1845
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,319
it is that you gotta do something with Nause to

1846
01:25:31,399 --> 01:25:35,319
turn him into a player, like any kind of first round.

1847
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,920
It just doesn't it feel like insane to be using

1848
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,479
a first round, especially when we have so few like

1849
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,439
a first round asset, to hopefully get someone that might

1850
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,840
play ten minutes instead of zero. Like that's a wild

1851
01:25:48,039 --> 01:25:50,279
that's such a desperate thing to me.

1852
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I get that, but I'm like, yeah,

1853
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,119
and you know what, Cody Martin doesn't really fulfill any

1854
01:25:57,199 --> 01:25:58,880
of the needs that we outlay. I think he'd be

1855
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,880
useful for them, like the def and like something. But yeah,

1856
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,239
that's a great for Somemoni. Font Takio is interesting though,

1857
01:26:05,279 --> 01:26:07,920
because he's he's more of his percentages down, but he's

1858
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,680
more of the caps lock shooter and has the size

1859
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,760
to do well on defense. I don't necessarily know why

1860
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,239
Detroit would do that unless they're just like, well, we're

1861
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:17,119
not making a buye move, so what do you want.

1862
01:26:17,159 --> 01:26:19,680
Teo hasn't played it necessarily a ton this year, but

1863
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,399
like with Tim Hardaway, Junior on an expiring deal, like

1864
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,720
keep becomes important. I would absolutely give up two swaps

1865
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,239
to get Somemoticon Takio though.

1866
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 2: And the other thing too, is like, unless as another team,

1867
01:26:31,039 --> 01:26:34,399
you think it's likely that Jokic leaves like Denver's picks

1868
01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:36,560
are still gonna Like, you're what are the odds you

1869
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:37,720
exercise that swap?

1870
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,319
Speaker 1: What if you're not giving up a player? And Denver's like,

1871
01:26:40,359 --> 01:26:43,800
we're gonna duck the tax and Zeke Najy dariosars two

1872
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,119
swaps just into Detroit.

1873
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: Just yeah, oh man, what a tough You can't you

1874
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,239
can't do that. If you're you can't do.

1875
01:26:51,239 --> 01:26:53,159
Speaker 1: That, all right, you get a second round pick back.

1876
01:26:56,239 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 2: I still don't. Just I'm so uncomfortable using a first

1877
01:27:00,039 --> 01:27:04,039
shround asset to do something so seemingly small time. But

1878
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,680
I mean they are where they are, They've got the

1879
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,359
assets they've got, Like, if you're trying to improve the team,

1880
01:27:09,399 --> 01:27:11,199
you just got to use what you have. But I

1881
01:27:11,239 --> 01:27:13,239
still I'm wildly uncomfortable with that.

1882
01:27:13,279 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: The other thing they could do we haven't mentioned it

1883
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,840
is we've talked a lot about Oh, like they're they

1884
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,720
already didn't pay KCP. They're not paying all of the youngsters,

1885
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,760
Like you're not paying Brown Watson and Strother and then

1886
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,760
also keeping Eric Gordon, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Junior, Nicolajokisch.

1887
01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:31,600
So what you if you actually wanted to do something,

1888
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,880
is there one who would be the youngster that you

1889
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,439
would trade? And I really think we have to make

1890
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,640
this a tougher decision because the answer is Julian Strother.

1891
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,079
But if you're looking to like really sweeten a package,

1892
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:44,159
would you prefer as the nuggets to move Peyton Watson

1893
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:48,159
or Brown as the attachment to like the the money

1894
01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:49,279
deal which is sarag and.

1895
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 2: Zignagi man Brown is just more helpful. Now, I could

1896
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,239
still imagine a team saying Watson's the one we want. Like,

1897
01:27:58,279 --> 01:28:00,439
so if you want to get this done, gets like

1898
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,159
Watson with whatever you think his ceiling is, like, he

1899
01:28:03,279 --> 01:28:06,960
needs to be the guy. So I guess if I'm Denver,

1900
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,520
I guess I'm more willing to make Watson the guy

1901
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,640
I'm trading. I don't feel great about either one of

1902
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,680
them because they're just so short on players. You could

1903
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,039
even like Squint and see it.

1904
01:28:16,119 --> 01:28:19,560
Speaker 1: Might also depend on who's coming back. Sure trade for

1905
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,840
DENNI Avia, I think you probably feel more comfortable giving

1906
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,880
up Watson in that scenario just because.

1907
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, because similar positions, like you're you're addressing the

1908
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,479
depth ish, Yeah, do you think it's Watson like in

1909
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,399
a vacuum? Are you more comfortable trading Watson than Brown?

1910
01:28:35,159 --> 01:28:39,359
Speaker 1: Brown is the better player? I think Peyton Watson still

1911
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:40,319
is the higher ceiling.

1912
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:41,319
Speaker 2: That's what I think.

1913
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: And I think just because he has another cost controlled year,

1914
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,880
I might actually be more comfortable trading Brown. It would

1915
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,079
really just depend on the return. It's okay if you're

1916
01:28:50,119 --> 01:28:52,920
getting someone who could actually maybe close for you that

1917
01:28:53,039 --> 01:28:55,840
it like like what if that there's no way for

1918
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,000
them to get to them? Most say what if that

1919
01:28:57,039 --> 01:28:58,800
got them Cam Johnson, But there's no way for them.

1920
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 2: To get to the twenty three million can't get there?

1921
01:29:01,239 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 1: Ridiculous. So that's the other thing is like I don't

1922
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,079
have the name for them, like we threw out names,

1923
01:29:06,079 --> 01:29:08,439
but like none of them are no brainers for me.

1924
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:12,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, So most likely player to be traded.

1925
01:29:13,359 --> 01:29:17,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Dario Sharich just because because Ivlacho Tanchar

1926
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,560
has an implicit no trade so I can't and he's

1927
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,039
he's Yokic's homie, So I'm gonna say no, Or is

1928
01:29:22,039 --> 01:29:24,640
it just Jaylen Picket trying to wipe some salary off

1929
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:25,079
the ledger.

1930
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 2: I think it's probably Sorrich. I mean, you want to

1931
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,560
say it would be easier to say Nase if well, actually,

1932
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,680
if you move Sarich, that does not get you under

1933
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,760
the first apron because it's a difference of about a

1934
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,840
million dollars four point seven million in salary for Sarch

1935
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:45,800
and they're about five point seven over. So like functionally,

1936
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,479
you should be trying to move Nase's eight point eight

1937
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,640
because then that theoretically opens up other moves for you.

1938
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 1: I guess I think you would have to hope can

1939
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:59,239
you do something like Picket Sharch and then I think

1940
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:01,359
you can give up the I know the optics are terrible,

1941
01:30:01,359 --> 01:30:03,479
but if you gave like a twenty twenty six swap

1942
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,399
to like what team is doing, like if it's Detroit

1943
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,000
that decided just as an example, or it's a team

1944
01:30:09,039 --> 01:30:13,520
that can take stars into like an exception, Like I

1945
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,479
think you could justify doing something like that. But I

1946
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,399
don't even like if you attach Pick or even hunter

1947
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,600
Tyson to dari or Saraze, I don't know what team

1948
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:22,079
is big, Yeah will do that.

1949
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:26,239
Speaker 2: Who's the last guy making as relatively little as Zeke

1950
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:29,199
Nagy that has seemed less tradable. You know what I mean,

1951
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:31,920
it's eight It's like it's eight point eight million dollars

1952
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,720
and it's like, ah, he's toxic, you know what wants it.

1953
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 1: It was fascinating because those deals don't technically age that poorly,

1954
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,399
but like they signed him to that before they were

1955
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,640
ever playing him, and then they just proceeded to never

1956
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,239
consistently play him even though they were kind of there

1957
01:30:47,279 --> 01:30:50,319
was like two at least two consecutive offseas with like

1958
01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:51,840
everyone like z Nag's.

1959
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Read it comes like he's coming.

1960
01:30:53,079 --> 01:30:55,159
Speaker 1: And I even I even thought the deal was fine

1961
01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:56,880
when they signed it. We like, yeah, I'm not good

1962
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:57,960
to say that I was out in front of this,

1963
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,239
but yeah, that's the challenge there for them. So who

1964
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:01,439
do we said a lot is most likely to be

1965
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:02,560
traded Charage, I'm.

1966
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 2: Gonna say sorry, it just seems like Nause is inexplicably

1967
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:06,920
like just untradeable.

1968
01:31:07,119 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go just for variety sake, Gentle and Pickett

1969
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,840
because also the optics, because they're gonna have to include

1970
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,359
something to get off Sharage to then have to like

1971
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,680
grease the wheels of another salary dump of a player

1972
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,760
you just signed because you gave him a player option.

1973
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,479
It's just Calum Booth hasn't coming back from that. I

1974
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,239
don't belie boy our next team. I feel like they

1975
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:24,920
should be quick.

1976
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Houston Rockets, they're ten point six million

1977
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:33,840
under the tax. They can trade up the four first rounders. Notably,

1978
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:35,960
we can just go through it quickly. They have a

1979
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,760
twenty twenty five. They can swap their twenty five for

1980
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:42,960
the Thunders if they want to, or Phoenix they have

1981
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,800
a twenty twenty seven swap available as well. With Brooklyn

1982
01:31:46,319 --> 01:31:49,399
they have the Suns twenty seven first outright, they have

1983
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,399
the more favorable twenty twenty nine first of Dallas or

1984
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,279
Phoenix also have the option to swap that pick for

1985
01:31:55,319 --> 01:31:57,760
the less favorable It's just like they got a million picks.

1986
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,319
That's the takeaway here. The Rockets have said they're not

1987
01:32:01,399 --> 01:32:05,279
interested in making a big swing. Raphaelstone said that a

1988
01:32:05,359 --> 01:32:07,800
couple of months ago. It has just been reiterated. I

1989
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,920
think Tim McMahon reported a couple of days ago of

1990
01:32:10,119 --> 01:32:14,159
ESPN that like he's asked around and GM's are just

1991
01:32:14,199 --> 01:32:17,359
like no, yeah, they're serious. The Rockets really aren't. It's

1992
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,560
not a joke. They really are just gonna hang on

1993
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:24,000
and see what this core mature is into. So if

1994
01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:27,680
we take that at face value, then it's like, you know,

1995
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:29,479
their needs are what they are. We've talked about their

1996
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:31,399
offense quite a bit. We can get into more depth there,

1997
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:33,279
but then you're just really what you're talking about are

1998
01:32:33,319 --> 01:32:35,319
like the Jock Landells of the world, and like the

1999
01:32:35,399 --> 01:32:37,439
Jeff Greens and Jay Shawn Tate's like, what do you

2000
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:41,000
maybe turn those guys into if a swap is not

2001
01:32:41,359 --> 01:32:43,000
I mean a swap, if a big trade is not

2002
01:32:43,279 --> 01:32:48,039
on the table. So one, are you on board slash?

2003
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:50,920
Do you buy the we're not gonna do anything crazy?

2004
01:32:51,279 --> 01:32:55,279
And two, whatever you think about that, what would what

2005
01:32:55,319 --> 01:32:57,239
should they be targeting if they're going to do anything

2006
01:32:57,279 --> 01:32:57,680
at all?

2007
01:32:58,119 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 1: So I buy that they're not going to do They're

2008
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:01,600
number two in the West.

2009
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,319
Speaker 2: Like, do you think that's the right decision? I kind

2010
01:33:03,319 --> 01:33:04,000
of do, But I.

2011
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:07,159
Speaker 1: Just's if just recalibring over the offseason, you're gonna open

2012
01:33:07,239 --> 01:33:09,760
up more moves that way, because Jalen Green and Alprinch

2013
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,920
and Goon not saying they're going to trade either of them,

2014
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,640
but their salaries are more movable. And you also, you're

2015
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:16,880
also at that point it's okay, like Tara East and

2016
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,199
Jabari Smith, you and your extension eligible, you have am

2017
01:33:19,239 --> 01:33:20,680
and toomps and you can't wait more coming in the

2018
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,279
rear view. You're just you're better equipped to make more decisions.

2019
01:33:23,279 --> 01:33:25,920
There's the Fred Van Fleet team option at that point.

2020
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:27,880
So I think waiting is the right call. But they're

2021
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,560
also because they're so far under the tax and just

2022
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,760
with the new the new trade matching rules benefit teams

2023
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,039
that are under the tax. Where's just like if you're

2024
01:33:36,079 --> 01:33:38,399
sending out and they can do this a seven and

2025
01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:40,760
a half million dollar salary or it's cheaper, they can

2026
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,039
think back more than twice as much in that that

2027
01:33:43,159 --> 01:33:45,119
might have value to where teams just if they're looking

2028
01:33:45,159 --> 01:33:47,760
to cut money, and if they're gonna do that, they're

2029
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,600
not gonna get like a down the stretch offensive option,

2030
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,119
but like a shooter maybe cracks the rotation more than

2031
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:55,920
Reed Shepherd has this year.

2032
01:33:56,199 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Is that's what they play at all, right, And like.

2033
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,600
Speaker 1: You have the job, landown money, not I'm guaranteed in

2034
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,840
the next year you have Jeff Green and you have

2035
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,520
Jay Shaun Tait as expiring salary, It's like you can

2036
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,920
do a bunch of different things, and like even in

2037
01:34:09,079 --> 01:34:10,640
Jeff Green, so he's making more than seven and a

2038
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,600
half million, what is Jeff Green at now?

2039
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 2: He's at like not is he not? Nine point six?

2040
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: Nine point six as an example, they can take back

2041
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,479
that plus seven point five million on It's like, now

2042
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,279
you're talking about seventeen million dollar player. I don't I'm

2043
01:34:23,279 --> 01:34:24,960
not sitting here saying, oh, I know which team is

2044
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,840
gonna give up that. But like if Miami is like

2045
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,880
kind of retinkering, like you get Duncan Robinson for giving

2046
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,640
up basically nothing and maybe seconds, and then you have

2047
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,119
a salary that you can then roll into next year

2048
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:37,119
to trade if you want to.

2049
01:34:37,359 --> 01:34:39,199
Speaker 2: This is a Cam Johnson team. If they want to

2050
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:43,199
be easy, like you can offer exclusively expiring salary and

2051
01:34:43,279 --> 01:34:44,560
picks if you want to do that.

2052
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 1: I just you're okay with them giving I do agree

2053
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,880
that that might be the one where it's it's like, okay,

2054
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,199
he's so plug and play. You might like he's not

2055
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:54,359
taking the ball away from anybody, but they give up

2056
01:34:54,359 --> 01:34:55,920
two for it's gonna cost you two first.

2057
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,039
Speaker 2: Round picks right. I mean, I'm just saying. I'm saying,

2058
01:34:58,279 --> 01:35:00,640
if the Rockets want to do that like easy, like

2059
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,800
no problem. I don't know if they should, but it's

2060
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,880
just like that, that's what I wouldn't Well, would you

2061
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,680
call that like a big swing. I don't think so.

2062
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:09,920
I think that's more of like a booker.

2063
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,279
Speaker 1: I think two first round picks counts as at least

2064
01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:13,399
a medium size.

2065
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,560
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not a check swing. They're actually it's actually

2066
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,399
going to be a straight Yeah. I think that's right.

2067
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:23,520
I mean you said it already. This team is second

2068
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:26,640
in the West, and like things seem like Aman Thompson

2069
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,640
is playing incredibly well, was so good the other night,

2070
01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:34,079
and it's just been consistently really good. Like you, still,

2071
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:36,119
the targets are still like how do we make the

2072
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:39,600
half court offense better? Because their overall offense is fine,

2073
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,239
it's just it's offensive rebounds and transition and free throws

2074
01:35:42,279 --> 01:35:46,279
and stuff. That's those are the targets. I don't even

2075
01:35:46,319 --> 01:35:48,239
know how urgent that stuff is because you're so good

2076
01:35:48,279 --> 01:35:49,520
at everything else, you know, and.

2077
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,159
Speaker 1: It's also you know, you want to win a playoff series.

2078
01:35:52,199 --> 01:35:53,760
But the whole point is like you almost want to

2079
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,680
see yourself as you are going to the playoffs and

2080
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,840
what it looks like, and then make decisions from there.

2081
01:35:59,039 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to win this, You're right, you want

2082
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,119
to win the series, but like also valuable is finding

2083
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:06,680
out why you lost and and then you can make

2084
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,079
all the off season stuff you're talking about make more suit.

2085
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:10,039
Speaker 1: To be fair, I do think this will be in

2086
01:36:10,039 --> 01:36:12,800
an Orlando Magic situation where they lose exactly as we

2087
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,159
think they're gonna lose, and then it's like, well they

2088
01:36:14,199 --> 01:36:16,079
couldn't they just trade it like another shooter type and

2089
01:36:16,119 --> 01:36:16,800
see what Yeah.

2090
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,359
Speaker 2: There, which which okay, like we're we think that, but

2091
01:36:19,399 --> 01:36:21,479
at least we'll know, you know. And and again they're

2092
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,840
so just the year over. I guess it's three two

2093
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,600
plus years now, the leaps have just been they're ahead

2094
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,720
of schedule, like they can afford to be patient like this.

2095
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so maybe they take a miniature swing, but

2096
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,079
I don't think they have to. And I probably would

2097
01:36:36,079 --> 01:36:38,319
take the miniature swing just for like a shooter, but

2098
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:40,720
they're not in a position where they have to do that.

2099
01:36:41,039 --> 01:36:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, most likely player to be traded real quick before

2100
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:44,159
we get the man.

2101
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm so, is it wrong? I normally would have said

2102
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,039
jockland now, but is it wrong to say Jayshon Tate

2103
01:36:49,239 --> 01:36:51,920
just because the benefit of Jocqulanda would be you could

2104
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:54,319
just guarantee his salary to use as part of a

2105
01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:57,000
trade next year. So I'm gonna go with Jayshon Tate

2106
01:36:57,079 --> 01:36:59,680
even though he provides more on court value than a

2107
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,039
land I'll even a Jeff Green.

2108
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 2: I think I was gonna rule out Landale for that

2109
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:05,800
reason is you can, like Evan forty at him and

2110
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,640
just be like, guess what, you're still here if paid, Yeah,

2111
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,159
you're exactly good for you. I all just to be different,

2112
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:14,800
I'll just say Jeff Green, even though I think they

2113
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,560
probably value is a lot of leadership and stuff.

2114
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be funny that they're gonna trade Josh Lando.

2115
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:22,840
We're both wrong. It'll be a great would be the

2116
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,840
first time the Los Angeles Clippers. So they have two

2117
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,279
point five million dollars into the tax. My prediction before

2118
01:37:29,319 --> 01:37:30,760
we get anything is that they will not be paying

2119
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:34,079
at tax this year. And if they do, I don't

2120
01:37:34,079 --> 01:37:36,359
know whether that's dumb or if Steve Clifford just really

2121
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,960
Steve Clifford, Oh my god, Steve Bomber just really doesn't

2122
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,439
give a shit, which I kind of respect, but they

2123
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,680
should probably duck the tax. They can trade they have,

2124
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,319
They can trade their twenty or twenty thirty one first,

2125
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:50,479
and they can then trade, depending on what they're doing

2126
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,640
with that, the twenty thirty or twenty thirty one swap.

2127
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:54,720
I guess if they wanted to, they could just trade

2128
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:56,680
two swaps. I don't know, that'd be a weird trade.

2129
01:37:57,399 --> 01:38:00,000
And then they have seconds. They have a twenty three

2130
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,920
thirty second it's a less favorable of their own and Utah's,

2131
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:07,319
and then a twenty thirty one second. Uh, biggest need

2132
01:38:07,359 --> 01:38:09,680
for me. Curse you agree, Like, let's get someone else

2133
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,479
in there who could generate and make shots.

2134
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:16,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I mean, I think that's right.

2135
01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:18,079
I think you know, the offense has not been the

2136
01:38:18,079 --> 01:38:20,399
strength of this team. It's like, I guess I would

2137
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,159
say it's impressive that Harden has been able to do

2138
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:26,600
what he's done, even though like objectively Harden has had

2139
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,079
an inefficient season and all that stuff. It's just the

2140
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:31,319
lift is super heavy. I think it's that. If it's

2141
01:38:31,359 --> 01:38:33,840
not that, it's a different kind of center behind it

2142
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,079
eats the Zubats. I think we're then we get into

2143
01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:38,920
the Olynic and Bouchet type spacers. I think would be

2144
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,119
the The other thing you want to look at as

2145
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:42,560
the Clippers.

2146
01:38:42,319 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: Is there be like I'm trying to think of, because

2147
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,199
finding what they need because doesn't have to be a

2148
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:50,640
big name, because you do have if KWHI, if you

2149
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,079
trust that he's gonna be healthy, James Harden, the stuff

2150
01:38:53,079 --> 01:38:55,520
Norman Powell has done this year, it could be like

2151
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,479
just someone who's better than Bones Highland Slash, Kevin Porter

2152
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,720
Junior minutes that you've seen this season.

2153
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2154
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,159
Speaker 1: What names necessarily spring to mind there without maybe taking

2155
01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:06,960
like bigger swings.

2156
01:39:07,279 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they want your oh go ahead. I was

2157
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,199
just saying you're inclined to want to use the Tucker

2158
01:39:12,319 --> 01:39:15,279
salary on kind of anything that you're gonna do, because

2159
01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:18,760
after that it's like, are the innetraded Terrence man? Like

2160
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,159
I don't they seem to really just never be willing

2161
01:39:22,199 --> 01:39:24,800
to do that. I don't know the first as like

2162
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,920
a Jordan Clarkson level player, like, well, I think that's

2163
01:39:28,039 --> 01:39:30,520
that's maybe out of your price range, right, like more

2164
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,319
than you want to pay, especially if you're trying to

2165
01:39:32,359 --> 01:39:34,520
duck that tax, which is just that two point five

2166
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,640
million makes a difference if you're dealing with PJ. Tucker's

2167
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,199
eleven million going out.

2168
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think if it came down to it, you

2169
01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:44,119
could just say bone Tiland and that twenty thirty second

2170
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:47,600
less favorable second. That'll duck the tacks if a team

2171
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,600
just takes him. Yeah, I think you could do that.

2172
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,560
I was wondering, would you do Terrence Man and PJ.

2173
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:56,159
Tucker for Lonzo Ball? That doesn't I don't think it

2174
01:39:56,279 --> 01:39:58,800
quite gets you out of the tax because Lonzo balls

2175
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:00,039
make a actually Lonzo ball my.

2176
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:01,279
Speaker 2: More than the two of them combined.

2177
01:40:01,319 --> 01:40:03,359
Speaker 1: Hold, please let me check, because I keep thinking he's

2178
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:05,279
at twenty, But isn't he actually hat like twenty two

2179
01:40:05,279 --> 01:40:05,600
and a half.

2180
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 2: I had twenty like twenty point five in my head,

2181
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:08,840
but that's probably wrong.

2182
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 1: Well, either way, so they make about twenty three million

2183
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:16,199
combined Man and Tucker or like twenty two point nine,

2184
01:40:16,399 --> 01:40:20,159
and Lonzo ball is twenty one point four. So you

2185
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:22,319
don't duct attacks, but like you do shed money.

2186
01:40:22,399 --> 01:40:25,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can still do the bones for whatever trade too,

2187
01:40:25,079 --> 01:40:26,960
if you want to get under the tacks, Like you say.

2188
01:40:27,159 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 1: The argument against doing that would be how many minutes

2189
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,600
is Lonzo Ball gonna play? But also, do you want

2190
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,920
someone who's more of like a half court like shot

2191
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,760
generator rather than getting you like organized in transition or

2192
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,760
just pushing the ball throwing his heads.

2193
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:42,319
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I kind of love that, I think,

2194
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:46,199
I mean, you would do that, I think with an

2195
01:40:46,199 --> 01:40:51,119
eye towards obviously resigning Lonzo. Yeah, I g He's definitely

2196
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:54,840
not the like point of attack initiator that we're talking about,

2197
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,439
but he is like a really great version of the

2198
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:00,520
next best thing health being assumed in all that because

2199
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,000
like he will just make the next pass and that

2200
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,279
that's that's got real value in a half court said,

2201
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:08,399
even though like you're right, his value is as like

2202
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:10,520
the guy making hit aheads and the guy you know,

2203
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:14,800
transition stuff. But I I just don't think Tucker obviously

2204
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,119
is like a just a is dead money to you

2205
01:41:17,159 --> 01:41:19,520
as the Clippers. And then I think Ball gives you

2206
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,560
more of what you need than Man does, even if

2207
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:27,199
Man is obviously the better health bet all that stuff, the.

2208
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: Same team as a lot of like lower body degeneration.

2209
01:41:32,199 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm just so happy that Ball is

2210
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,039
like actually playing it I just I want him to

2211
01:41:37,039 --> 01:41:40,199
be somewhere that he helps, you know that, like he matters.

2212
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,079
Speaker 1: I wonder too, if there was like a PJ. Tucker

2213
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:45,479
for Cody Martin type deal, like PJ. Tucker in a

2214
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,600
second for Cody Martin because he can do some initiation

2215
01:41:50,119 --> 01:41:52,680
and you're ducking the tacks in that scenario too, I think,

2216
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:54,159
just barely, but you are ducky it.

2217
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just I guess then the question is, well,

2218
01:41:58,359 --> 01:42:00,880
we could just jump PJ. Tuckers the most slightly player

2219
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:02,600
to be traded because that he's got a big enough

2220
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,159
number and they have zero use for him as an

2221
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:09,640
actual basketball player. What are you needing? We've their assets

2222
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:13,680
are limited, like is Tucker and you can't I don't

2223
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:15,680
know who the guy is. You're giving up with Tucker

2224
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,600
to justify a first or getting back for Tucker to

2225
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,399
justify a first, So like is Tucker in a second?

2226
01:42:23,039 --> 01:42:24,560
What are we what are we talking about?

2227
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,359
Speaker 1: I think if you were like well, in terms of

2228
01:42:27,399 --> 01:42:29,880
return at that point, it might be like Cody Martin,

2229
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:31,359
I think would be this like Tucker in a twenty

2230
01:42:31,359 --> 01:42:34,000
thirty one second, Cody Martin's probably and Charlotte might say, well,

2231
01:42:34,039 --> 01:42:37,239
we'd rather just have Cody Martin, Like, yeah, Tucker's expiring,

2232
01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:40,319
so he's innocuous, but he's almost more like it almost

2233
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:42,239
makes more sense as part of a larger deal, where

2234
01:42:42,279 --> 01:42:43,960
like teams might just have a ton of interest in.

2235
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 2: Terrence Man, Broll is.

2236
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: Just gonna be a little bit. He's gonna fluctuate I

2237
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,439
think forever with the Clippers, depending on who's available.

2238
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tucker on his own is I don't know. Yeah,

2239
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:56,000
I think you're right the more we talk about it

2240
01:42:56,039 --> 01:42:58,279
is it's gonna have to be Tucker and Man. If

2241
01:42:58,319 --> 01:43:00,600
you're really doing anything and do the you're.

2242
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,199
Speaker 1: Getting somebody who has money, which Cody Martin does, but

2243
01:43:03,239 --> 01:43:06,239
it's not guaranteed. But you're getting someone who has guaranteed

2244
01:43:06,279 --> 01:43:08,840
money that the other team either doesn't want or would

2245
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,520
just be okay getting rid of for seconds because you're not.

2246
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that you could.

2247
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 1: If there's a name out there that would inspire me

2248
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,119
as the Clippers to give up a first like a

2249
01:43:19,159 --> 01:43:22,119
realistic like if Kobe White and you're gonna give up

2250
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:24,800
like one of your out year first plus I mean

2251
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,119
Tucker and Man and then like something is someone else

2252
01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:31,079
going back? I think Man for does Man works straight

2253
01:43:31,159 --> 01:43:33,960
up for him? It doesn't regardless, Like maybe something like

2254
01:43:34,039 --> 01:43:36,960
that would get you there, But there's no Kobe White's

2255
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,680
at twelve. So it have to be like Man and

2256
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,840
salary X plus a first for Kobe White, or it

2257
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,079
had to be Tucker and salary x plus a first

2258
01:43:44,079 --> 01:43:46,760
for Kobe White, and that would be somewhat intriguing. But

2259
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:50,000
I don't know if the Bulls would do that. If

2260
01:43:50,039 --> 01:43:51,600
it was Man in the first, I'm not gonna lie

2261
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:53,439
is the Bulls, I'd probably consider it like as a

2262
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:55,760
twenty thirty or twenty thirty one first, But yeah, I

2263
01:43:56,079 --> 01:43:57,319
kind of don't think the Clippers would.

2264
01:43:57,359 --> 01:43:59,640
Speaker 2: Can like do it? Can we just talk about how

2265
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,239
impressed it is that the c we've we're framing everything

2266
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:05,720
about the Clippers as them being buyers coming from where

2267
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,520
they came from to start the year. That's fun, And

2268
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:09,000
I will.

2269
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Say to that end, I don't it'll be hard to

2270
01:44:11,039 --> 01:44:13,119
address what we think is their biggest need. And so

2271
01:44:13,159 --> 01:44:16,640
I really do think it'd be realistic to Tucker one

2272
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:18,520
or two of those seconds and like, why would in

2273
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,319
Toronto give you Chris Bouchet? Yeah at this point, Yeah,

2274
01:44:21,399 --> 01:44:23,439
so like something like along those lines would be good

2275
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,600
for them. How about the other Los Angeles team? Grant

2276
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:26,840
ready to take us through them.

2277
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 2: I'll do it. So the Lakers are fourteen point six

2278
01:44:31,039 --> 01:44:33,159
million into the tax, three and a half million below

2279
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:36,039
the second apron. They have a twenty twenty fy five

2280
01:44:36,079 --> 01:44:38,560
first headed to Atlanta, a twenty seven first to Utah

2281
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,199
with top four protections that becomes the twenty seven second.

2282
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,439
They are able to trade their twenty nine and thirty

2283
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:47,239
one first and swaps in the even years twenty six,

2284
01:44:47,359 --> 01:44:50,359
twenty eight, and thirty as well as their own twenty

2285
01:44:50,359 --> 01:44:52,960
twenty five second and the Clippers twenty twenty five seconds.

2286
01:44:53,039 --> 01:44:58,439
So not exactly asset poor, not really in position to

2287
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,800
make like the best offer for or whoever they might

2288
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:05,399
want to go after, but certainly capable of making some additions.

2289
01:45:06,399 --> 01:45:10,239
I think so. Anthony Anthony Davis would say their biggest

2290
01:45:10,279 --> 01:45:12,000
need is a center, so he doesn't have to play center.

2291
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how funny that was? So?

2292
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,359
Speaker 2: Can we talk about how stupid that is? Like you

2293
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:19,760
just can't the Lakers can't. Who's who's shooting? Like? How

2294
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,359
what's your spacing look like? With three four five as

2295
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:26,199
lebron ad and a five that's not Yushevich. If it's

2296
01:45:26,279 --> 01:45:27,239
Route then maybe.

2297
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 1: But I do find it funny though that so Lakers

2298
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,880
are linked to all these other big like Jonas Valentunas

2299
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,119
is on their radar, then it's oh, the Lakers are

2300
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,039
moving off making a deal. Is Anthony Davis comes out

2301
01:45:37,039 --> 01:45:39,680
and said something immediately, the reporting is Lakers are ramping

2302
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:43,079
up their efforts to come and get a big and look,

2303
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:46,039
I honestly hope that Anthony Davis is just this is

2304
01:45:46,079 --> 01:45:48,039
a bit at this point, or maybe he just wants

2305
01:45:48,079 --> 01:45:50,439
like someone behind him who's not Jackson Hayes, which I

2306
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:55,479
totally understand, but that that's not their biggest need. It's

2307
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,560
it's one of their needs because Anthony Davis has identified

2308
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:02,039
it as such a backup big man. Sure, but a

2309
01:46:02,079 --> 01:46:04,239
big man to get a d to slide down to

2310
01:46:04,359 --> 01:46:07,960
the four where he will never be closing like who

2311
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,439
maybe Vouch like you're closing games with him and vouchs

2312
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:13,840
together like with Lebron. I good luck on defense, I suppose,

2313
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:17,039
I don't know, but I will say Athony Davis has

2314
01:46:17,079 --> 01:46:18,960
done enough defense of heavy lifting that I do think

2315
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:20,800
he's kind of like earned. If I'm gonna live, but

2316
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,760
I really hope this is a bit from him.

2317
01:46:23,039 --> 01:46:25,399
Speaker 2: But he is a center. He is a center. Like

2318
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:28,520
I just I don't. I can't. I get it. I

2319
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,239
get it when it's like I'm trying to think of

2320
01:46:31,279 --> 01:46:33,560
a better example. If if like I don't think he

2321
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,479
ever did it, but if PJ. Tucker was like, I'm

2322
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:37,720
not playing center, I think PJ. Tucker was like, this

2323
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:40,399
is awesome. And then like if Draymond Green says I

2324
01:46:40,399 --> 01:46:42,640
can't hold up over a full season playing center, it's like, one,

2325
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:44,199
we know that's kind of true and too like, I

2326
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,119
get it, you're six foot six and a half. Like

2327
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,640
when Anthony Davis says it, it's just like, I I

2328
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:52,880
understand you don't prefer it, but you must see that

2329
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,600
your team cannot be what it needs to be if

2330
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,880
you're not playing center, Like it's just anyway that it's

2331
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:00,680
a a beside point well.

2332
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 1: Not but the actual biggest need grant, Can I.

2333
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:09,640
Speaker 2: Just say not that it's another like playmaker because Austin Reeves,

2334
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,079
I'm enjoying the point guard stylings of Austin Reeves. I

2335
01:47:12,119 --> 01:47:15,520
think it still would be very helpful if they had Well,

2336
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,960
this has been the issue since D'Angel Russell was there

2337
01:47:18,039 --> 01:47:21,119
and which he's not anymore, is like a primary initiator

2338
01:47:21,159 --> 01:47:23,039
that is not going to give back a bunch of

2339
01:47:23,039 --> 01:47:26,239
stuff on defense and or is good enough in that

2340
01:47:26,359 --> 01:47:29,960
role that you can stomach giving back some on defense.

2341
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,159
And then again, like Dorian Finney Smith is kind of

2342
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:36,520
the model of like another guy that is gonna be

2343
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,279
able to defend multiple positions and make open threes. I

2344
01:47:39,279 --> 01:47:41,199
think those are your two main things for them.

2345
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,720
Speaker 1: I like the way that Austin Reeves has played, and

2346
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,359
now that Dangel Russell's gone, I like a zach Lavine

2347
01:47:48,399 --> 01:47:49,560
trade for them more than ever.

2348
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 2: I've always liked it.

2349
01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:53,159
Speaker 1: If we all we both always liked it, but now

2350
01:47:53,159 --> 01:47:55,319
I'm just sort of like, give them the money like

2351
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:58,119
Gabe Vinzit, Jared Vanderbilt, Ruby, Hodg mooresn't have to be

2352
01:47:58,199 --> 01:48:00,960
involved in that. And if it takes, like if you

2353
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:02,760
could structure it where it's the first round pick like

2354
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,399
you did with Utah, it's top four protected or something,

2355
01:48:05,399 --> 01:48:07,359
and then it turns in like it's done, it's done,

2356
01:48:08,279 --> 01:48:09,039
I would do that trade.

2357
01:48:09,079 --> 01:48:09,640
Speaker 2: If I'm la.

2358
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: I know that's like you're kind of splitting the baby

2359
01:48:12,399 --> 01:48:15,520
at that point, and but I like, I like that

2360
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:16,600
trade for them a lot.

2361
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 2: If you can get Zach Levine for one first and

2362
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:23,920
salary that you don't really care about, I think you're

2363
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:27,039
almost obligated to do that as a Lakers. I think

2364
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,199
it's like the price is too good. It's you know

2365
01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:33,720
what I mean? Even now, the price was probably even

2366
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,960
better if you've done this a year ago and just

2367
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,039
had some foresight and hoped he was gonna get healthy.

2368
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:41,960
But right, a one first for a guy that's just

2369
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,880
an incredibly good offensive player that that isn't going to

2370
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,119
be the initiator you want, but is like, is immediately

2371
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:51,680
your best pure scorer? Like I just I don't know

2372
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:52,520
why you don't do that.

2373
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:55,239
Speaker 1: Well because he can't play center.

2374
01:48:57,479 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 2: Zach Lavin doesn't want to play center either. That's the

2375
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:00,199
hang up here.

2376
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to do this math in real time,

2377
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,199
but I've kind of wondered as like would they be

2378
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:07,560
so I don't even know what the word would be.

2379
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:11,720
But if they're gonna get picks back as part of this, like,

2380
01:49:12,039 --> 01:49:15,680
why aren't they being mentioned as like a Bradley Beal team.

2381
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 2: Well, okay, let's let's figure that out. What's the so

2382
01:49:19,039 --> 01:49:22,880
Bradley can you make they're getting those the shitty three

2383
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,720
first from from the Suns.

2384
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 1: They're getting two of them or something like that. They're

2385
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,000
facilitating the Jimmy Butler trading and I guess helping a conversation.

2386
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,920
There's probably just no realistic, financial functional way for them

2387
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:35,880
to do it because right now I've included Dawrin Phinney

2388
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:38,199
Smith can't go out, but I have ruly gave Vins,

2389
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:43,159
Jared Vanderbilt, Jallenhood Chafino is forty two point six million.

2390
01:49:43,239 --> 01:49:45,159
How shy of Bradley Beal's salary.

2391
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 2: Is that he's like right at fifty fifty and change this.

2392
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,640
Speaker 1: Year, So they would have to do like Max Christie

2393
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:52,560
or Austin Reeves, which you can't like. That's not where

2394
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,880
Max fissy'sen actually playing pretty well for them too, So

2395
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:57,279
that's why they're not be mentioned as a Bradley Beilo.

2396
01:49:58,079 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you wouldn't think the difference between levie

2397
01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:02,840
salary and his is that con significant, but it actually

2398
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:03,680
it actually is.

2399
01:50:04,279 --> 01:50:06,079
Speaker 1: You know, they run into a problem because we're making

2400
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:08,239
jokes about the center spot, but it's like even a

2401
01:50:08,279 --> 01:50:11,520
Boots trade, it was only gonna cost you seconds, and

2402
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,760
then like the contracts you want to send out, nobody

2403
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:18,159
wants the contracts the Lakers want to send out. Right,

2404
01:50:18,279 --> 01:50:21,600
they're viewing, I would say, with Jared Vanderbilt being injured

2405
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,800
so much and Gabe Vinson specifically, they're viewing taking on

2406
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,760
those deals as part of the value they're providing to

2407
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:30,159
the Lakers. And so then you get into the discussion

2408
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:33,199
of well, what else can you give us? And they

2409
01:50:33,239 --> 01:50:35,159
only have two seconds to trade, so they have their

2410
01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:37,680
own twenty twenty five second and the Clippers is twenty

2411
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:40,119
twenty five second. Neither of those are like, you know,

2412
01:50:40,159 --> 01:50:42,079
they could include swaps. I guess if they want to

2413
01:50:42,119 --> 01:50:44,359
do something like that, But that's that's an issue they're

2414
01:50:44,399 --> 01:50:47,199
running into well, because it's like when Washington even do

2415
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:51,600
Jonas valancoutas for Dave Vincent and one of those seconds,

2416
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:52,920
is that something that they would do?

2417
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,039
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I think, But if I'm Washington, I'm like,

2418
01:50:56,079 --> 01:50:59,119
I think I can just get expiring money or more

2419
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,720
for Valancee this next year, Like why do I want

2420
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,920
Gabe Vince? You know what I mean? Like it's I

2421
01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:08,800
guess maybe that that really you're absolutely right, Like if

2422
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:13,399
if even one of like Vincent Vanderbilt. Just throw Hachimura

2423
01:51:13,399 --> 01:51:14,760
in there, even though I think he's just a better

2424
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:16,680
player than either of those guys. If even one of

2425
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:20,359
those we're expiring, it's a very different conversation. But because

2426
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,560
every single one of those guys has money next year,

2427
01:51:23,039 --> 01:51:25,920
it's just like, yeah, you're as the Lakers, You're like,

2428
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:28,039
what are you really offering with those guys. You're not

2429
01:51:28,119 --> 01:51:32,159
offering like salary relief. It's just we'll take back worse money,

2430
01:51:32,199 --> 01:51:36,079
I guess, or money you want less and you'll for first.

2431
01:51:36,079 --> 01:51:39,319
I don't know. It's just they they have a lot

2432
01:51:39,319 --> 01:51:41,960
of salaries that are obviously tradable. They don't have a

2433
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,359
lot of salaries that are obviously tradable for positive value,

2434
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:47,600
just because there's they go into next year.

2435
01:51:48,039 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 1: If you're Toronto, are those two seconds attached to either

2436
01:51:52,119 --> 01:51:55,000
one of Actually, I don't think I think Vincent would.

2437
01:51:55,239 --> 01:51:57,399
They both might require more money going out. I think

2438
01:51:57,399 --> 01:52:00,439
that's so the late gay. Vincent's at eleven more than

2439
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,000
Bouchet and jar Vannerbilts at ten point seven, which is

2440
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,439
probably I think it's a little less than Bouchet. But

2441
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,279
are those two seconds and Vincent is probably the one

2442
01:52:08,319 --> 01:52:11,199
they'd prefer just because he has less time left on

2443
01:52:11,279 --> 01:52:13,439
his deal? Are you doing that?

2444
01:52:15,399 --> 01:52:18,119
Speaker 2: I mean? What were there reports that Toronto was thinking

2445
01:52:18,119 --> 01:52:20,920
about bringing Bouchet back on another dal Sure.

2446
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:23,079
Speaker 1: He's really good, but they have Kelly Olink, they have

2447
01:52:23,159 --> 01:52:25,840
Yaka peerl they have Scottie Barnes. Even like if you

2448
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:29,399
don't view Chris Bouchet as like a pure five for you,

2449
01:52:30,039 --> 01:52:31,840
I mean the Lakers could consider like would you do

2450
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:33,439
it for a link? Like are you more inclined to

2451
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:35,319
do that? As like it would have to be Hood

2452
01:52:35,319 --> 01:52:38,239
Schaffino those two seconds and then one of those other salaries.

2453
01:52:38,399 --> 01:52:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's your expiring salary they got who Chaffino? They

2454
01:52:41,319 --> 01:52:42,439
declined his option.

2455
01:52:44,199 --> 01:52:46,159
Speaker 1: That helped the Lakers shed some payroll too, Like that

2456
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:49,359
might be really and like Bouchet he he would be

2457
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:52,439
him or maybe even a linic. I don't know that

2458
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:55,640
you would, but like that would be I'd be okay

2459
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:57,439
with that is like can you sell it to AD's

2460
01:52:57,439 --> 01:52:59,640
Like look, we got another big because I even like

2461
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,079
that more more than like Vouch because like Bouchet specifically

2462
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:04,800
where it's okay, like he could kind of do more

2463
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,199
than like is gonna do what?

2464
01:53:07,319 --> 01:53:10,399
Speaker 2: On defense? For you rebound. Yeah, that's defense, the right

2465
01:53:10,399 --> 01:53:13,199
defensive rebound. That's it. He's otherwise gonna hurt you.

2466
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,199
Speaker 1: And Olynic actually does none of that. So like Bouchet

2467
01:53:16,319 --> 01:53:18,560
would do like like he'd give you a little bit

2468
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:22,359
more optionality there defensively, don't. He's not necessarily the greatest

2469
01:53:22,359 --> 01:53:25,560
defender except between my my ears and by my own eyes.

2470
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,640
So do you expect them to do anything like it?

2471
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:31,960
At this point, we just expecting them. They'll probably get

2472
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:35,199
a reserve big type to play kate ad and move on.

2473
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:38,399
Speaker 2: It feels like a Valance Unist or whatever type of thing.

2474
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:40,880
I think. I don't as much as I want the

2475
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:45,119
Levine thing to happen, I just I think it's gonna

2476
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:49,560
be another center and it'll be Vincent going out, or

2477
01:53:50,039 --> 01:53:52,359
and probably not Hatshumura, because I think they actually still

2478
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:55,159
he has like real uses, and I don't think Vanderbilt

2479
01:53:55,239 --> 01:53:57,960
is someone that other teams want on the books going forward,

2480
01:53:58,039 --> 01:53:59,920
so that that most likely out.

2481
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm assuming if it's Reddish, if it's Jackson Hayes are

2482
01:54:05,279 --> 01:54:07,600
Reddish and Hood Chaffino, or if it's just maybe two

2483
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:10,720
of those guys, two of those three plus those two

2484
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:15,600
seconds for Dayron Sharp or the that's saying probably know, I.

2485
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:18,119
Speaker 2: Don't know you think Reddish has any like flyer value anymore.

2486
01:54:18,119 --> 01:54:20,640
And now he's on his like seventh team and every

2487
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:22,760
every team seems to think they can figure him out.

2488
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:25,159
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a chance that Nicks will give up a

2489
01:54:25,159 --> 01:54:26,079
first round pick for him.

2490
01:54:26,119 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 2: I think, I think if I'm Brooklyn, I actually I am,

2491
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,239
Brooklyn's one of the few teams where I could justify

2492
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,439
like Reddish actually being kind of intriguing, because like, what

2493
01:54:36,479 --> 01:54:39,520
do you got to lose? And you know, the upside

2494
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:41,840
is enough teams have been convinced of his upside that

2495
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,399
there might be something there still, but like.

2496
01:54:44,439 --> 01:54:47,840
Speaker 1: Dyren Sharp's expiring, they pay class. I ultimately don't think

2497
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:49,520
it's enough. But that would be like I'm trying to

2498
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,800
just think of like the cheap bo bigs that they get,

2499
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,439
Like I'm sure maybe the Clippers would give them mobamba at.

2500
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,119
Whoever the Lakers sent back as a repeat of the

2501
01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,479
Zubax trade probably turns into like a borderline All.

2502
01:54:59,359 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 2: Star what's dop? What's doop wreath gonna cost you? Something

2503
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:04,159
like that?

2504
01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you could definitely get him for one of

2505
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:06,399
those seconds.

2506
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:10,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you if it's chaino until the money

2507
01:55:10,359 --> 01:55:12,640
just comes off in a second for wreath. Maybe I

2508
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:13,000
don't know.

2509
01:55:13,279 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 1: Would Ad be okay with that?

2510
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:16,359
Speaker 2: Imagine enough of a center.

2511
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:19,279
Speaker 1: They did get Doryan Phinney Smith, who to date is

2512
01:55:19,279 --> 01:55:23,000
the best player that's been traded. Uh so there's that, Like,

2513
01:55:23,039 --> 01:55:24,880
imagine they go through the deadline and it's just like

2514
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:26,159
we got to opreath.

2515
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah tough. Look, our next team.

2516
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,920
Speaker 1: Is my team and they are the Memphis Grizzlies. They're

2517
01:55:32,399 --> 01:55:34,000
I guess they were in on the wall. Let's do

2518
01:55:34,039 --> 01:55:35,960
this first. They're one point eight million dollars below the

2519
01:55:36,079 --> 01:55:38,279
tax and as a note, they're not paying the tax.

2520
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:40,880
Everybody I don't want to hear I've heard it from like, no,

2521
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:43,039
if they're not, they're not paying attacks. Let's move on.

2522
01:55:43,359 --> 01:55:46,359
They control all their own first. I'm curious to see

2523
01:55:46,399 --> 01:55:49,359
how many they would move because going beyond twenty twenty

2524
01:55:49,439 --> 01:55:51,560
five was a deal breaker for them and the dory

2525
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:55,800
Infinny Smith sweepstakes. However, them going after dory Phinney Smith

2526
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:59,159
does at least prove that they're being active. Is that

2527
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:01,199
their biggest need? Do you think it's like they have

2528
01:56:01,279 --> 01:56:04,279
Gg Jackson back now and they've just been like they're

2529
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:08,000
so deep everybody still like Vince Williams and Marcus Smart

2530
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,159
are still injured. Does that give you that as their

2531
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:12,800
biggest need is just you know, they have Jalen Wells,

2532
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:14,680
they have Gg Jackson, but you want it upgrade in

2533
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:16,039
that three and D type spot.

2534
01:56:16,239 --> 01:56:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want someone bigger than Wells. That is gonna

2535
01:56:20,399 --> 01:56:23,560
be you know, you throw at the bigger for bigger

2536
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:26,039
wings and bigger forwards. As good as well as has been.

2537
01:56:26,079 --> 01:56:28,199
I just think he's not quite it doesn't quite have

2538
01:56:28,319 --> 01:56:32,159
the size. And then like I guess it's you know,

2539
01:56:32,479 --> 01:56:35,600
the theory of Marcus Smart is kind of what you want,

2540
01:56:36,119 --> 01:56:38,279
but it's just you can't count on him as being

2541
01:56:38,399 --> 01:56:39,159
kind of the.

2542
01:56:39,159 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: Other thing, too, is like it falls to Wells that

2543
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,279
it's just like who is there? Who are you comfortable

2544
01:56:44,279 --> 01:56:46,960
by saying like that guy's gonna guard point of attack

2545
01:56:47,319 --> 01:56:50,359
in the playoffs right now? Some people might say Scottie

2546
01:56:50,359 --> 01:56:52,399
Pippen Junr. I guess, but that's just I don't know.

2547
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 2: He's too small. I mean he's small too, Like you're

2548
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:58,119
not great on ones, I don't love him on twos,

2549
01:56:58,159 --> 01:56:59,840
I don't love Wells on a lot of threes, even

2550
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:01,920
though that is what he's had to do, which is

2551
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:03,800
probably why he should win Rooie the Year because he's

2552
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:05,640
been way better at that than he has a right

2553
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:08,239
to be. But just a bit a big wing. That's

2554
01:57:08,359 --> 01:57:10,439
that you can throw it like when you go when

2555
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:12,399
you see I was gonna say Jason Tatum, but I

2556
01:57:12,439 --> 01:57:14,359
don't know if the Grizzes are making the finals, but

2557
01:57:14,479 --> 01:57:17,479
like someone to throw at the Jason Tatums of the

2558
01:57:17,479 --> 01:57:19,600
world is what you're looking for here?

2559
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:22,079
Speaker 1: You know who I would kind of like for them

2560
01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:27,800
VI well, but they were like, wasn't they reporting? That's

2561
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:29,199
that we do know Jimmy Butlers want to go there,

2562
01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:31,199
but that they'd be in on him anyway. I wouldn't

2563
01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:32,600
hate him here. I don't know what it does to

2564
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:34,760
their spacing, because that's something else they can stand to do,

2565
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:37,680
is drive up the value of their or their efficiency

2566
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:41,119
of their half ford offense. Uh but I think uh

2567
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,439
Vic Crachi for me, like he's sneakily like six seven

2568
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:46,800
six ' eight can do some things on defense. His

2569
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,840
floor spacing is like kind of a fly by night thing,

2570
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,279
but he could do some ball handling for you. I

2571
01:57:52,319 --> 01:57:54,680
don't know what you give them, just like Theirs. That's like,

2572
01:57:55,079 --> 01:57:57,199
could you do in Atlanta? I don't know what their

2573
01:57:57,199 --> 01:57:59,319
aims are now post jam and Johnson injury. They don't

2574
01:57:59,319 --> 01:58:01,800
control their own first round picks. But is there's something

2575
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:04,239
to be done as Memphis where Vic Cragy's so cheap?

2576
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:06,920
Are you taking back something else from Atlanta like a

2577
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,840
Larry Nance junior or I don't know, if you can

2578
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:12,319
get Garrison Matthews. I mean, if you got Garrison Matthews

2579
01:58:12,359 --> 01:58:14,359
and uh Vic Cragie in the same trade, I think

2580
01:58:14,359 --> 01:58:14,840
that would.

2581
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:15,399
Speaker 2: Actually help them.

2582
01:58:15,399 --> 01:58:18,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like I guess Zeller just a

2583
01:58:18,479 --> 01:58:22,119
salary filler and you're moving who is Memphis? Like, I

2584
01:58:22,279 --> 01:58:25,680
don't I don't know, like Conchar maybe maybe that would

2585
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,479
do something with like some second round compensation there.

2586
01:58:29,039 --> 01:58:31,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like with with the Hawks, I mean

2587
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:33,520
Crazy does a fair amount of ball handling, and that's

2588
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:35,960
a need for them too, you know, like so they.

2589
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:38,239
Speaker 1: Their season's over was really my like, but you're right,

2590
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:40,119
they don't have an incentive to be bad, so you

2591
01:58:40,199 --> 01:58:41,079
are correct there.

2592
01:58:41,159 --> 01:58:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think? I know, we've talked a

2593
01:58:45,439 --> 01:58:47,960
little bit about Sante al Dama and and I think

2594
01:58:48,039 --> 01:58:51,439
like the right answer may just be he is too

2595
01:58:51,439 --> 01:58:54,840
important to your team this year and you're trying. You're

2596
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,319
very good, and you should just care about right now.

2597
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,279
But like there is a restricted free agency coming up

2598
01:59:01,319 --> 01:59:04,880
for him, you you know, maybe aren't as Memphis comfortable

2599
01:59:05,399 --> 01:59:08,000
paying him what he's actually going to be worth. And

2600
01:59:08,079 --> 01:59:10,079
he is really someone I think that would have like

2601
01:59:10,119 --> 01:59:13,880
pretty significant value. Is he someone you're even really considering

2602
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:16,840
moving or are you more focused on, like like you said,

2603
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:18,359
conchar and guys like that.

2604
01:59:19,239 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if if the right offer, like if Boston

2605
01:59:22,079 --> 01:59:24,840
comes around and they're not trusting KP's health and al

2606
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:27,199
her for getting older, and it's we want to give

2607
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:29,359
you Jade Springer in two first round picks for Santy

2608
01:59:29,399 --> 01:59:33,800
al Dama, I'd probably consider it. But it's he's he's

2609
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,880
been so good for them. But I don't know that

2610
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:39,039
you would want to like who is who has been

2611
01:59:39,079 --> 01:59:41,439
their second best big man behind Jared Jackson.

2612
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:45,199
Speaker 2: I mean, there aren't that many candidate it's Eadie, it's Clark,

2613
01:59:45,279 --> 01:59:46,640
or it's it's al Dama.

2614
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:49,399
Speaker 1: I mean permitted stats are pretty.

2615
01:59:49,359 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it probably is al Dama, right, I mean,

2616
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:55,479
he's he's got a shot at six man, I think,

2617
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:58,079
which like, I don't think you say that about any

2618
01:59:58,119 --> 01:59:58,720
of the other guys.

2619
01:59:59,079 --> 02:00:03,720
Speaker 1: No, so that's I think you listen. I don't like

2620
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:07,000
if they're just cod I don't mention his name of bunch, Like,

2621
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:09,600
can you get Cody you have John Conchar attach a

2622
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:12,479
smaller salary to him, like just to get Cody Martin,

2623
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:14,399
And then well, I think you do Conchar for Cody

2624
02:00:14,399 --> 02:00:16,640
Martin and still Duck attacks Like that's someone who I

2625
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:20,159
trust guarding point of attack guys more than probably anyone

2626
02:00:20,199 --> 02:00:23,159
else they have right now, Jayleen Wells might come pretty

2627
02:00:23,159 --> 02:00:25,279
close at that. It's like maybe something like that. But

2628
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:28,640
more of the story is they could make a major move.

2629
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:30,800
Is they have that Marcus Smart salary, they have Lukenard

2630
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:32,960
is expiring, he's an implicit no trade clause, they have

2631
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,920
the Brandon Clark money. I just don't expect them to

2632
02:00:36,439 --> 02:00:37,960
do anything major.

2633
02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:41,399
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it. Although they're interested in Butler

2634
02:00:41,399 --> 02:00:44,039
at least suggests they're like thinking about it, there's just

2635
02:00:44,079 --> 02:00:48,119
not anything that. Again, why is Marcus Smart like the

2636
02:00:48,199 --> 02:00:50,359
key to this team? Like one, if he was healthy

2637
02:00:50,399 --> 02:00:53,119
and good, their needs would be very different. And two

2638
02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:55,079
if they want to do anything and sort of needs

2639
02:00:55,079 --> 02:00:57,279
to involve his salary, and because he hasn't been healthy

2640
02:00:57,279 --> 02:00:59,279
and good, nobody wants that that salary.

2641
02:00:59,319 --> 02:01:03,279
Speaker 1: So it's like, I just what if Atlanta was willing

2642
02:01:03,279 --> 02:01:04,560
to listen on DeAndre Hunter?

2643
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:09,680
Speaker 2: Oh Man? So what are you sending Atlanta in that is?

2644
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:11,640
That is that it's got to be smart?

2645
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:15,119
Speaker 1: Does Atlanta want two contracts? Do they want just Marcus Smart?

2646
02:01:15,479 --> 02:01:17,960
You can go that route attached to picks or maybe

2647
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:20,119
one like and also just like sort of a stab

2648
02:01:20,119 --> 02:01:21,640
in the dark on if they were willing to give

2649
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:24,880
you Jay Huff or Vincent Williams junior. That's not I

2650
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:28,000
don't because of injuries and like limited playing time with Huff.

2651
02:01:28,279 --> 02:01:30,000
They're like kind of a throw in, but they're super

2652
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,800
intriguing throw ins.

2653
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:37,119
Speaker 2: So Hunter makes about a million dollars more than Smart.

2654
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:40,079
Speaker 1: Does that's fine for Memphis? Do you're just duck in

2655
02:01:40,079 --> 02:01:40,439
the tax?

2656
02:01:40,439 --> 02:01:42,760
Speaker 2: But like what if it's what that's the thing? The

2657
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,960
sweetener you throw in with Smart if it's good enough,

2658
02:01:46,079 --> 02:01:48,800
might get that done with a with a pick and

2659
02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:51,560
also get you under the tax. If the sweeteners like

2660
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:54,159
in the three to four million dollar range, well.

2661
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:55,880
Speaker 1: There there are one point eight million below the tax,

2662
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:56,399
so they take it.

2663
02:01:56,760 --> 02:01:58,920
Speaker 2: I was thinking, I was thinking over never mind, disregard

2664
02:01:58,960 --> 02:01:59,840
everything I said about that.

2665
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:04,239
Speaker 1: Do you think, like Atlanta, are they doing what? What

2666
02:02:04,279 --> 02:02:05,840
do you need to do? Attached to Marcus Smart than

2667
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:08,479
because he's like net negative. So is it Vince does

2668
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:12,920
Vincent Williams Junior plus a first? Let's say in twenty

2669
02:02:13,039 --> 02:02:17,760
twenty six, Like, is that get Atlanta listening? Is Atlanta

2670
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:20,279
gonna be more because they might have two twenty twenty

2671
02:02:20,279 --> 02:02:23,119
five picks already right Sacramento and the Lakers.

2672
02:02:23,359 --> 02:02:26,239
Speaker 2: It could be if you're Atlanta, would you have interested

2673
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,560
in Huff since Capella is gonna come off the books here?

2674
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:28,840
And then?

2675
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:30,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I absolutely would for sure.

2676
02:02:31,600 --> 02:02:33,239
Speaker 2: I think if you if you're trying to hold on

2677
02:02:33,279 --> 02:02:35,199
to first, I think the right team might see Huff

2678
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:37,039
as like, yeah, that's gonna be our first big off

2679
02:02:37,079 --> 02:02:38,560
the bench for the next five years.

2680
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:41,079
Speaker 1: Like that, you're thinking a huff Smart and a first?

2681
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:42,880
Is that enough for DeAndre Hunter? It feels like I

2682
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:44,479
might throw some seconds in there, But it feels a

2683
02:02:44,479 --> 02:02:45,840
little light still, doesn't it?

2684
02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:47,800
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit, but well, we're talking about this

2685
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:50,359
from Memphis perspective, and definitely doing that if I'm Memphis,

2686
02:02:50,439 --> 02:02:53,159
if you're Atlanta, it's Atlanta's in a weird spot, but

2687
02:02:54,199 --> 02:02:57,560
you might from Atlanta's side. Is Hunter going to be

2688
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:00,000
better than this? Like ever, like is this are you?

2689
02:03:00,079 --> 02:03:01,640
Speaker 1: And the other thing is too? Is like you have

2690
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:04,720
Dice and Daniels if Jalen Johnson's gonna be healthy and

2691
02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:08,279
then Zachary Resische like that's kind of your like two

2692
02:03:08,279 --> 02:03:11,479
three four rotation of the future. You obviously need others,

2693
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:14,520
but this is that You're right, This is the peak

2694
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:16,560
of DeAndre Hunter's value. Because we entered the season where

2695
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:19,279
people were wondering I thought this was egregious whether they

2696
02:03:19,319 --> 02:03:22,119
would have to include a pick to get Yeah, it

2697
02:03:22,159 --> 02:03:23,359
would not even let a pick.

2698
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:27,760
Speaker 2: It's easy to forget how bad it has felt with

2699
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:29,479
Hunter in the recent past.

2700
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:32,680
Speaker 1: Does he do enough for you where it's like, oh,

2701
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:35,039
we did not solve their point of attack that questions

2702
02:03:35,039 --> 02:03:35,960
in the playoffs at all.

2703
02:03:36,399 --> 02:03:39,840
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Like the theory of DeAndre Hunter, however

2704
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:42,159
many years ago, was like he is that guy where

2705
02:03:42,199 --> 02:03:44,880
he just defensively no problem, like yes, I feel great

2706
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,119
with him out there, and it's like, in reality he

2707
02:03:47,159 --> 02:03:49,399
hasn't quite been that guy. He's he'd be a good

2708
02:03:49,399 --> 02:03:52,640
offensive upgrade. I think he would address some of their issues,

2709
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:55,479
like half court offense always is an issue with the Grizzlies,

2710
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:58,359
although like they're you know, they've been top five for

2711
02:03:58,439 --> 02:04:01,000
most of the year on both ends. I do. I

2712
02:04:01,039 --> 02:04:03,840
do think you're right though, that that Hunter isn't the

2713
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:07,920
set it and forget it, you know, big wing defender

2714
02:04:08,119 --> 02:04:10,840
that that would be ideal for Memphis.

2715
02:04:11,399 --> 02:04:13,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that would be like an interesting just as

2716
02:04:13,199 --> 02:04:15,479
a three and D wing like that's they just they're

2717
02:04:15,560 --> 02:04:17,880
so deep. You have to wonder, as DeAndre Hunter enough

2718
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:19,600
of an upgrade to say, oh, we know he's gonna

2719
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:22,399
because they're closing guys you know where Jay Triple j

2720
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:25,399
Desmond Maine and John Morant. I guess because you those

2721
02:04:25,399 --> 02:04:27,119
are the only three that are kind of bolted down

2722
02:04:27,439 --> 02:04:29,800
for them, So maybe gives you more flexibility. But I

2723
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:31,560
would like Hunter there. That's an interesting one. If we

2724
02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:34,279
were talking about bigger swings for that BRANDT. These are

2725
02:04:34,319 --> 02:04:35,760
your Minnesota Timberwolves.

2726
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:39,239
Speaker 2: Here we go. They're expensive. DAN sixteen point one million

2727
02:04:39,319 --> 02:04:43,119
into the second apron, which would be about a ninety

2728
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:46,119
million or a little over a ninety million dollars tax bill.

2729
02:04:47,199 --> 02:04:49,159
Whoever ends up owning the team, is that something they're

2730
02:04:49,159 --> 02:04:53,239
comfortable paying worthwhile to ask that they can trade Detroit's

2731
02:04:53,279 --> 02:04:56,319
twenty twenty five first that has top thirteen protection. That

2732
02:04:56,359 --> 02:04:58,960
protection goes to top eleven in twenty six top nine,

2733
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:01,640
and twenty seven becomes twenty seven second. If not conveyed,

2734
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:04,479
they have a twenty eight swap available. Also have the

2735
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:11,960
Jazz's twenty five second. It's just I'm trying to my

2736
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:15,760
like sigh is like, do we just start by talking

2737
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:18,840
about Julius Randall or is that really just me harping

2738
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:22,039
on the same issue that I've had for them all?

2739
02:05:22,079 --> 02:05:23,840
Speaker 1: Ye? Oh, sorry, we didn't do most like the player

2740
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:24,920
be traded for Memphis.

2741
02:05:25,079 --> 02:05:27,079
Speaker 2: Oh contar me too, That's what I.

2742
02:05:27,079 --> 02:05:29,960
Speaker 1: Would have, uh for the Timberwolves. That might be where

2743
02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:31,960
we need to start. Is do you actually like because

2744
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:35,079
if they make a move, here would be the candidates

2745
02:05:35,079 --> 02:05:37,920
to be traded. Are you going to get to a

2746
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:39,520
point where you think that you have no chance of

2747
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:42,239
keeping Na's reader nikil Obxander Walker when they go into

2748
02:05:42,279 --> 02:05:45,560
free agency? Probably not like who is coming in and

2749
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:47,520
outbidding you for naw.

2750
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:50,840
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think that's the worthwhile question. But

2751
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:53,279
the related question is can we afford to trade either

2752
02:05:53,319 --> 02:05:55,520
of those guys if we're still serious about being as

2753
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:56,600
good as we can this year.

2754
02:05:57,159 --> 02:05:58,800
Speaker 1: That was the dorm I was getting into is if

2755
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:00,359
you look at the top eight and if you want

2756
02:06:00,359 --> 02:06:02,880
to say top nine depending on the like, if you

2757
02:06:02,920 --> 02:06:05,119
think Devincenzl is gonna be back this year, and also

2758
02:06:05,239 --> 02:06:06,800
that you like the way that what you've seen from

2759
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:09,560
ro Dillingham recently, how are you upgrading off of that?

2760
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:11,840
Like while solving, because I think you could say they

2761
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:15,399
probably need more shooting or they need like another type

2762
02:06:15,399 --> 02:06:18,159
of playmaker. That's like because Colmley's been up and down

2763
02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:20,279
and you don't know what to expect from Dillingham, But

2764
02:06:20,399 --> 02:06:24,319
like this team, I like, I think in hindsight, no,

2765
02:06:24,359 --> 02:06:25,960
you would not. You should not have made the Julius

2766
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:28,640
Randall trade, like from a basketball perspective, but he's not

2767
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:31,720
actually been terrible. So I just like, I don't know

2768
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:33,920
where they're They have the Detroit pick, but I just like,

2769
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:36,800
if you're gonna do something serious, it has to be

2770
02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:39,800
Julius Randall and that pick, and then it's for.

2771
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:45,640
Speaker 2: What This is the thing. I mean, I think this

2772
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:49,159
is the core issue is is they have guys they

2773
02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:52,119
absolutely could trade, and in other circumstances it would make

2774
02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:55,479
sense to move guys like naw and like Na's reed, certainly, Randall,

2775
02:06:56,479 --> 02:07:00,159
I don't think you can get better moving almost anyone

2776
02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:03,479
that they can trade. So like, if your criticism, and

2777
02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:05,760
we've I think it's been a fair one, is that

2778
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:08,720
the cat trade was financially motivated, I think we can

2779
02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:11,439
close the book on that, right, Like, at least it

2780
02:07:11,479 --> 02:07:13,359
has turned out that there was not a case to

2781
02:07:13,359 --> 02:07:15,279
be made that it improves him on the floor, even

2782
02:07:15,279 --> 02:07:18,960
if there was a hypothetical one at the time. I

2783
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:22,720
really like, if you make another trade like that, I'm

2784
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:25,359
so annoyed and frustrated as a fan base, right like

2785
02:07:25,439 --> 02:07:28,000
it just which which isn't to say they won't do that,

2786
02:07:28,039 --> 02:07:30,359
because if you've done it once at the scale they did, Like,

2787
02:07:30,439 --> 02:07:33,880
certainly it's believable you'll try it again. But I don't

2788
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:37,079
know how you're getting better by moving any of the

2789
02:07:37,079 --> 02:07:40,760
guys we've just talked about, So, like, I would still

2790
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:42,880
want to move Randall, and I think like in an

2791
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:46,039
ideal world he would just say I'm not I'm going

2792
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:48,479
to go into free agency and then suddenly a team

2793
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:50,560
is like, great, thirty million coming off the books, will

2794
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:52,920
take the what do you want? But then his Minnesota.

2795
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:57,319
Did Minnesota just get him in hope anyway? They would

2796
02:07:57,319 --> 02:08:01,439
they want that salary relief. So I this is a

2797
02:08:01,479 --> 02:08:04,279
fascinating team, but I keep circling back to, like, I

2798
02:08:04,359 --> 02:08:07,399
just don't see the trade that gets them what they

2799
02:08:07,479 --> 02:08:11,000
that makes them better using the pieces they have that

2800
02:08:11,039 --> 02:08:14,079
are hypothetically available. Do you do you know what I mean, Like,

2801
02:08:14,119 --> 02:08:15,920
I just don't know what the path is to improving,

2802
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:17,720
which I still think they should be trying to do,

2803
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:20,279
because like I, I'm never gonna quit this team, even

2804
02:08:20,319 --> 02:08:22,720
though the results just haven't been great. I still believe

2805
02:08:23,039 --> 02:08:25,039
somewhere in here is a really good team.

2806
02:08:25,319 --> 02:08:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and look, if you have j McDaniels

2807
02:08:27,279 --> 02:08:29,560
as January first is shooting like forty from three on

2808
02:08:29,600 --> 02:08:32,600
four attempts per game, the volume should still be higher

2809
02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:34,279
than that. But like, if that's the versime Jane McDaniels,

2810
02:08:34,279 --> 02:08:35,600
you're gonna get I'm not gonna be able to quit

2811
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:38,920
this team in a playoff setting either, And so but

2812
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,920
I do wonder know it's like I will believe that

2813
02:08:42,039 --> 02:08:43,960
Glent this is the other Like, I don't know if

2814
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:46,760
we're approaching it from this perspective office we've assumed that

2815
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:48,720
the Wolves are at least gonna eat it this year.

2816
02:08:49,159 --> 02:08:51,279
I will believe that Glent Taylor plays a ninety plus

2817
02:08:51,319 --> 02:08:53,439
million dollar tax bill when I see it. Okay that

2818
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:55,319
I didn't at least in the back of my mind

2819
02:08:55,359 --> 02:08:58,840
where I'm are they gonna use the looming threat of

2820
02:08:59,239 --> 02:09:01,439
free agency for any one of the three players we

2821
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:05,079
just mentioned to try and lop off money and like

2822
02:09:05,159 --> 02:09:08,359
sell it as like, oh, like another basketball move type deal.

2823
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:12,039
Speaker 2: So okay, let's go with that. Then, So you gotta

2824
02:09:12,119 --> 02:09:15,640
get what do you need to get down to to

2825
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:17,800
make a real dent If let's say you just want

2826
02:09:17,800 --> 02:09:21,079
to shed sixteen or just call it seventeen million to

2827
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:23,359
get out of the second apron and that saves you

2828
02:09:23,439 --> 02:09:24,520
what like three I.

2829
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:26,600
Speaker 1: Used Randall at that point, because the other two aren't

2830
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:28,199
even making seventeen million.

2831
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:30,079
Speaker 2: And you're trading him for no money coming back.

2832
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:33,319
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, like, are they trying to slash their

2833
02:09:33,399 --> 02:09:35,359
tax bill somehow where it's just like, oh, we save

2834
02:09:35,439 --> 02:09:37,800
ten million dollars as part they're still in the second apron.

2835
02:09:37,880 --> 02:09:40,439
But they've now slashed that they're in a different tax band.

2836
02:09:40,479 --> 02:09:41,920
Maybe they're not paying as much in one of the

2837
02:09:42,039 --> 02:09:45,079
upper tax bans of it. I just, yeah, I'm not

2838
02:09:45,119 --> 02:09:48,039
saying they should not do this all. Yeah, that clear,

2839
02:09:48,439 --> 02:09:51,039
but I will believe that Glenn Taylor pays this tax

2840
02:09:51,079 --> 02:09:51,960
bill when I see it.

2841
02:09:52,119 --> 02:09:54,079
Speaker 2: No, I'm I kind of I think I'm inclined to agree.

2842
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:57,000
So I'm just wondering what that even looks like we

2843
02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:59,840
can concede, like, don't do this Wolves, but like if

2844
02:09:59,840 --> 02:10:02,079
they do go down that road, it's like, are you

2845
02:10:02,119 --> 02:10:05,479
sending Randall to Detroit and taking back like a fourth.

2846
02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:09,319
Speaker 1: And I don't know who else, And like, are you

2847
02:10:09,359 --> 02:10:11,079
giving Detroit their pick to do that?

2848
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:12,319
Speaker 2: Interesting?

2849
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like Tim Hardaway Junior or Simony Fon Takio

2850
02:10:15,319 --> 02:10:18,680
for Julius Randall should work if you're giving Detroit's pickback.

2851
02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:21,359
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of love that for the Wolves too,

2852
02:10:21,439 --> 02:10:26,359
just because I'm so so out on Randall. Yeah, I mean,

2853
02:10:27,439 --> 02:10:29,560
I wish there was more to say about about them.

2854
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:33,159
I just it's it's bad. I don't like this situation

2855
02:10:33,239 --> 02:10:35,600
at all. I really wish they just kept Cat and

2856
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:36,680
just figured it out.

2857
02:10:37,640 --> 02:10:40,359
Speaker 1: But here I still think they're pretty threatening, like if

2858
02:10:40,359 --> 02:10:42,800
you catch them on the right, like series of nights

2859
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:45,680
and this is all like they're just this typifies them.

2860
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:48,399
So since January first, they're only two games above five hundred,

2861
02:10:48,439 --> 02:10:51,079
but they have a top six next rating rate. Nothing

2862
02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:53,279
about this team, like on a night to night basis,

2863
02:10:53,319 --> 02:10:55,920
doesn't necessarily make sense like you see them. I've also

2864
02:10:55,960 --> 02:10:58,199
gone back and forth on their needs where I'm I'm like,

2865
02:10:58,199 --> 02:11:00,600
all right, their defense with their topping, it's just set.

2866
02:11:00,600 --> 02:11:02,199
And I watched them and I'm like, you know what, No,

2867
02:11:02,279 --> 02:11:02,600
it's not.

2868
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:07,159
Speaker 2: It's yeah, right. I mean, I think just to sort

2869
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:09,600
of treat them like the other teams we've talked about,

2870
02:11:10,239 --> 02:11:15,840
I think their biggest need is still someone that, while

2871
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:18,479
granting that it's always gonna be tricky with with Rudy

2872
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:21,159
Gobert in the middle, they still just need someone that

2873
02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:24,000
makes it so Anthony Edwards doesn't have to just be

2874
02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:27,239
your floor spacer two. Like I like someone that's just

2875
02:11:27,279 --> 02:11:32,319
gonna make enough plays on the ball, which like, even

2876
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:35,359
even if Devincenzo's playing well, that isn't him and he's

2877
02:11:35,399 --> 02:11:39,479
hurt anyway, Conley can't be that guy consistently. Dillingham, they're

2878
02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:41,720
just I don't think they're gonna give a real shot

2879
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,840
to and is probably too young to expect that from that.

2880
02:11:45,039 --> 02:11:47,239
That's what the if. We're just talking needs and not

2881
02:11:47,319 --> 02:11:50,920
like feasibility of addressing them. It is just I think

2882
02:11:51,239 --> 02:11:53,840
someone to turn the offense into a different version of

2883
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:57,000
what they have right now, Like Edwards can't be this player.

2884
02:11:57,039 --> 02:11:59,720
I don't think like that's not an optimized version of

2885
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:01,239
him or the Wolves offense.

2886
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:04,640
Speaker 1: No it's not. I mean, could you get Collin Sexton

2887
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:07,760
from Utah for Julius Randall on that Detroit pick and

2888
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:09,279
then you probably Utah is n't have to send out

2889
02:12:09,279 --> 02:12:10,279
probably more money there.

2890
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:14,279
Speaker 2: Maybe I love how you're so solution oriented. I'm just

2891
02:12:14,319 --> 02:12:16,319
pointing out, like here's the problem, and then you have

2892
02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:17,880
I don't like when.

2893
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:19,479
Speaker 1: I listen to people. I'm not saying I don't like you.

2894
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:22,000
I mean I hate you. Listens like I don't want

2895
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:23,640
to be the podcast and we do this sometimes it's

2896
02:12:23,680 --> 02:12:25,119
just too tough, But I don't want to be in

2897
02:12:25,119 --> 02:12:27,079
the podcast, Like, well this is wrong, but we're not gonna,

2898
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:28,840
like especially gonna trade preview.

2899
02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:31,600
Speaker 2: But that you can think about it is let's see,

2900
02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:33,039
let's get some more names Uh.

2901
02:12:33,359 --> 02:12:36,439
Speaker 1: Really funny if they just sent my cammy into Detroit's

2902
02:12:36,439 --> 02:12:38,239
cap space and that's how they were like slashing their

2903
02:12:38,319 --> 02:12:41,159
like that's that, like we're gonna get Dylan him a shot,

2904
02:12:41,199 --> 02:12:42,479
and that's how that's the.

2905
02:12:42,439 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 2: Thing they have cover for. Like every like bullshit financially

2906
02:12:46,079 --> 02:12:48,600
motivated move they could make is just like, oh, we

2907
02:12:48,640 --> 02:12:51,159
want Rob's ready, let's get him in there. You know,

2908
02:12:51,319 --> 02:12:53,119
we believe we're most likely to be traded.

2909
02:12:54,279 --> 02:12:56,079
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll tell you who I went with.

2910
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:58,279
I don't think they're ready to give up on Leonard Miller.

2911
02:12:59,279 --> 02:13:02,920
My guess is that like it would just be Joe Ingles,

2912
02:13:02,920 --> 02:13:05,399
like let's get rid of by shedding the minimum contract

2913
02:13:05,399 --> 02:13:08,640
and you save a few million dollars in tax I

2914
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:10,199
don't know if he's too important in the locker room,

2915
02:13:10,239 --> 02:13:12,119
but I assume that's why you have Mike Codley there.

2916
02:13:12,359 --> 02:13:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think your locker room's okay as long as

2917
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:20,279
Conley's there, and really honestly, Edwards, Uh yeah, I guess

2918
02:13:20,359 --> 02:13:22,479
I would love to say Randall, and I would love

2919
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:25,039
to just say it better not be NASR or you

2920
02:13:25,039 --> 02:13:25,880
want Rann.

2921
02:13:26,119 --> 02:13:28,279
Speaker 1: Give me at least try to give me a Randall

2922
02:13:28,319 --> 02:13:31,319
so like who is the Randall suitor or team that's like,

2923
02:13:31,399 --> 02:13:33,359
what is the Randall trade?

2924
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:37,840
Speaker 2: There isn't one unless you have him broadcasting. He's not

2925
02:13:37,960 --> 02:13:43,600
picking up his option because like because one you gotta

2926
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:45,680
have a thirty million dollar player to send back, and

2927
02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:51,159
two you have to decide that Randall, well, yeah, you

2928
02:13:51,159 --> 02:13:53,279
have to decide that Randall is not only going to

2929
02:13:53,319 --> 02:13:55,960
improve you now, but it is also worth potentially having

2930
02:13:55,960 --> 02:13:59,520
on the books next year. So like.

2931
02:14:01,479 --> 02:14:04,920
Speaker 1: That we're at over Patrick Williams nice Litt challenge trade

2932
02:14:04,920 --> 02:14:08,479
and who else I mean Patrick Williams do or what

2933
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:11,760
they wouldn't give you if you did Randall? And let's

2934
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:14,359
say he's coming off the books and that Detroit pick

2935
02:14:15,239 --> 02:14:18,159
for Patrick Williams and Kobe White, the Bulls aren't doing.

2936
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:22,720
Speaker 2: That right because what you're getting is a first and

2937
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:25,199
salary relief and you're giving you know, I don't think

2938
02:14:25,239 --> 02:14:28,760
so just because well you are getting off Patrick Patrick

2939
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:30,600
Williams money.

2940
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:33,760
Speaker 1: Would you give just straight up no pick? If maybe

2941
02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:35,880
maybe you give up the Utah twenty twenty five second,

2942
02:14:36,199 --> 02:14:38,680
but Randall for no, you wouldn't give up if anything,

2943
02:14:38,720 --> 02:14:41,720
Chicago should maybe give a pick here I owe and

2944
02:14:42,439 --> 02:14:44,039
Patrick Williams for Julius Randall.

2945
02:14:45,159 --> 02:14:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Chicago's given the pick there. Maybe if

2946
02:14:48,359 --> 02:14:51,119
you're assuming the salary relief, what about can we like,

2947
02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:54,960
can Cole Anthony? Can we get Cole Anthony on this

2948
02:14:55,239 --> 02:14:56,880
to the wolf somehow? What's that?

2949
02:14:57,399 --> 02:14:59,840
Speaker 1: I guess, Orlando ran I just I don't think Randall's

2950
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:02,640
been bad enough to say, like, let's enter the Patrick

2951
02:15:02,680 --> 02:15:06,800
Williams business just because he might be less, like like

2952
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:08,199
he's making less per year.

2953
02:15:08,640 --> 02:15:11,479
Speaker 2: It's tough out here. Yeah, I don't I get. Let's

2954
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:13,840
just land on Joe Ingles as the most likely wolf

2955
02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:15,840
to be traded and move on the Pelicans.

2956
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:17,920
Speaker 1: They're my team, right, So there are two point one

2957
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:21,640
million dollars into the tax. Spoiler alert, they suck this

2958
02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:23,840
year and are not going to pay the tax. Also

2959
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:26,079
spoiler alert, they could have been great this year, they

2960
02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:29,039
still wanted to pay the tax. They have no real

2961
02:15:29,119 --> 02:15:32,159
extra first to trade anymore. They'll have the twenty twenty

2962
02:15:32,159 --> 02:15:34,560
five Milwaukee first if it lands in the top four.

2963
02:15:34,840 --> 02:15:37,000
That's a nice little lottery ticket there. I guess they

2964
02:15:37,039 --> 02:15:40,159
have swop rights with Milwaukee in twenty six, and their

2965
02:15:40,199 --> 02:15:43,319
own twenty seven first round pick is headed to Atlanta,

2966
02:15:43,399 --> 02:15:47,239
it'll be the more favorable of their own or Milwaukee's though,

2967
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:49,880
so I guess you could say that's their extra first

2968
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:56,600
round pick, but it's it's spoken for Grant what So

2969
02:15:58,199 --> 02:16:01,000
it is let's start here because leads into the is

2970
02:16:01,079 --> 02:16:03,319
brandon Ingram the most likely player to be traded on

2971
02:16:03,359 --> 02:16:05,359
the Pelicans? And why is the answer? No?

2972
02:16:06,840 --> 02:16:09,399
Speaker 2: Well, the answer is no because nobody wants his next

2973
02:16:09,399 --> 02:16:11,680
deal and wants to give up the amount of money

2974
02:16:11,720 --> 02:16:14,720
it would take to uh to onboard him. He's a

2975
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:16,960
little bit like Randal and except that you do know

2976
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:19,960
he's at least gonna hit free agency. Uh, but I

2977
02:16:20,199 --> 02:16:23,359
think I'd rather have him than Randall. Well, if it

2978
02:16:23,399 --> 02:16:27,359
isn't Ingram, it could be someone like Javonte Green that

2979
02:16:27,399 --> 02:16:30,359
will get you under the town. Does he get you there? Just? Yea?

2980
02:16:31,359 --> 02:16:33,959
Does he does? Does he have two points two point

2981
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:37,520
two eighty seven thousand? So it's like it's a rounding error.

2982
02:16:37,639 --> 02:16:42,120
Speaker 1: Wait, maybe I rounded up for the graphics so the

2983
02:16:42,159 --> 02:16:44,239
Pelicans A. No, no, they're over two point one. But

2984
02:16:44,319 --> 02:16:46,319
yeahs O can't be it could well.

2985
02:16:46,239 --> 02:16:48,280
Speaker 2: It could be Green and because Green you might actually

2986
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:49,719
get something for and then Green.

2987
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:52,000
Speaker 1: And Tice like just move that work two of Green, Tyson,

2988
02:16:52,079 --> 02:16:54,680
Jeremiah Robinson, Earl. Teams can just take them in and

2989
02:16:54,719 --> 02:16:57,879
you're done. I think that's the and I want teams

2990
02:16:57,879 --> 02:17:00,479
to trade the get Davonte Green on the Knicks right now.

2991
02:17:00,360 --> 02:17:03,600
Speaker 2: Please sure? Yeah. So yeah, that's why it's not brandon

2992
02:17:03,719 --> 02:17:06,280
Ingram because well, the other reason it's not brandon Ingram

2993
02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:09,600
is because he hasn't been traded yet, and that suggests

2994
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:12,840
that's very, very hard to trade him these smaller time moves,

2995
02:17:12,840 --> 02:17:15,120
which for the cheap ass Pelicans is just like yeah,

2996
02:17:15,159 --> 02:17:17,680
they're gonna do one of those, you know what.

2997
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:20,719
Speaker 1: To be fair to the Pelicans, like, this isn't a

2998
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:24,799
situation where like McCollum's money, you don't attach anything to

2999
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:26,840
anyone right now to get off of money, Like that's

3000
02:17:26,840 --> 02:17:29,760
not you want a duct at tax? Okay, fine, like

3001
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:33,000
you should you suck like duct attacks. We know that

3002
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:35,159
the Jontay Murrays would also help them. The incentives in

3003
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:37,239
his contract aren't gonna push them over the tax either.

3004
02:17:37,479 --> 02:17:39,520
You don't have to account for that. Now that'll help.

3005
02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:43,479
Here's the thing with brandon Ingram. I think you like

3006
02:17:43,520 --> 02:17:45,559
they're not trading Zion. I just what would it tame

3007
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:49,239
for you to trade Zion. Let's start there. Uh, I'm

3008
02:17:50,239 --> 02:17:52,000
too unprotected first round picks.

3009
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:54,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna say three. I don't know if you're

3010
02:17:54,399 --> 02:17:57,719
getting Yeah, it's gonna be multiple unprotected first and I'm

3011
02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:00,319
not taking back a dime of money that it's like

3012
02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:02,159
even debated.

3013
02:18:02,520 --> 02:18:05,319
Speaker 1: And those three less favorable picks aren't doing it for you.

3014
02:18:05,319 --> 02:18:10,159
Speaker 2: That's probably not Is there a team? We talk all right?

3015
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:11,520
I talk all the time about how like there's just

3016
02:18:11,520 --> 02:18:14,239
no more bad contracts. Who's got more bad money than

3017
02:18:14,239 --> 02:18:19,200
the New Orleans right now? Between like bad money, mcoms

3018
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:23,040
bad money. I think Murray is debatably bad money. Uh,

3019
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:26,479
Zion might be bad. There's a lot brandon Ingram is

3020
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:28,280
technically bad money because nobody wants it.

3021
02:18:28,520 --> 02:18:31,280
Speaker 1: No, I think he's expiring. Zion could be expiring.

3022
02:18:31,319 --> 02:18:34,159
Speaker 2: If I'm being It's just it strikes me as I

3023
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:36,399
look at the cap sheets, like, man, you guys, because

3024
02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:38,639
well you said, like you can't be giving up picks

3025
02:18:38,680 --> 02:18:40,200
to get off with some of these deals. And if

3026
02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:42,000
it's like talking about McCollum, it's like, well, then you're

3027
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,600
not getting off that deal like that. That's the definition

3028
02:18:44,639 --> 02:18:47,159
of bad money to me, I'm.

3029
02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:48,959
Speaker 1: Not even gonna get into trade targets for them, because

3030
02:18:48,959 --> 02:18:51,520
they should not be like even remotely thinking about that.

3031
02:18:52,040 --> 02:18:54,079
I want to ask you, are you at the point

3032
02:18:54,079 --> 02:18:56,479
where you just move brandon Ingram for anything, or are

3033
02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:58,799
you looking at are you chancing it into the summer

3034
02:18:59,319 --> 02:19:02,319
and saying you're either gonna need our help to go

3035
02:19:02,399 --> 02:19:05,120
somewhere and we'll be compensated then, or we're gonna get

3036
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,559
you at a number that you didn't want but that

3037
02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:10,399
we're comfortable with rather than trade you for Like I

3038
02:19:10,440 --> 02:19:13,440
don't even think, like is it good like the Warriors?

3039
02:19:13,520 --> 02:19:16,639
Would they even give you non wigans contracts plus a

3040
02:19:16,719 --> 02:19:18,959
protected first for brandon Ingram? I probably not.

3041
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:25,920
Speaker 2: No, I think I think there is a good chance now.

3042
02:19:26,200 --> 02:19:28,040
I mean, every day that goes by, it gets better

3043
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:30,719
that the right move is to just like, nah, we

3044
02:19:32,280 --> 02:19:34,760
don't see this sense in taking back whatever we might

3045
02:19:34,799 --> 02:19:36,959
get for Ingram. Let's hold on to him and maybe

3046
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:40,920
the market changes, which is like it just that never

3047
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:44,399
used to seem like the right decision. But I like, look,

3048
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:47,159
what do we even know has been offered for him?

3049
02:19:47,159 --> 02:19:48,879
If any? I just all we ever hear is like

3050
02:19:48,920 --> 02:19:52,120
nobody wants nobody wants him because of what he's gonna

3051
02:19:52,120 --> 02:19:53,319
try to get in free agency.

3052
02:19:53,479 --> 02:19:56,000
Speaker 1: So I guess what's the minimum as the Pelican Because

3053
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:57,680
I'm at I'm at this one. It's like, just let

3054
02:19:57,719 --> 02:19:59,440
this roll in the free agency and maybe you just

3055
02:19:59,479 --> 02:20:01,239
get him back a number and you could move it

3056
02:20:01,319 --> 02:20:04,159
later and like he plays better or something. But what

3057
02:20:04,280 --> 02:20:06,959
is like the minimum return you would need as the

3058
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:10,680
Pelicans to get rid of brandon Ingram ahead of free agency?

3059
02:20:11,079 --> 02:20:13,760
By the way, complicating all this is he's been injured.

3060
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:17,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think if I'm I mean, I don't

3061
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:21,600
feel like there's really a way to take back expiring

3062
02:20:21,639 --> 02:20:24,639
money for him. And so if I'm assuming I'm getting

3063
02:20:24,639 --> 02:20:28,040
a salary back or salaries that are most of which

3064
02:20:28,079 --> 02:20:30,040
are on the books next year. So let's just say,

3065
02:20:30,559 --> 02:20:32,840
I don't know there's like twenty million or twenty five

3066
02:20:32,920 --> 02:20:35,360
million on the books next year in any return for him,

3067
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:37,440
maybe some of you know, some one of the players

3068
02:20:37,440 --> 02:20:40,360
comes off or whatever. I still think I I'm not

3069
02:20:40,399 --> 02:20:43,079
gonna move him now unless I'm getting a first, like

3070
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:45,159
a real one, and I don't think that offers on

3071
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:46,920
the table. So I think, to your point, that's why

3072
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:50,399
you just like punt and wait and hope that you can,

3073
02:20:50,559 --> 02:20:53,040
like you said, bring him back at a number that

3074
02:20:53,079 --> 02:20:55,399
maybe the league would be willing to trade for him at,

3075
02:20:55,479 --> 02:20:58,239
or you'd be willing to keep him at, because like,

3076
02:20:58,319 --> 02:21:02,520
what's I just I just haven't heard anything rumored that

3077
02:21:02,600 --> 02:21:06,040
would justify doing it now, and when you don't really

3078
02:21:06,079 --> 02:21:06,840
technically have.

3079
02:21:06,799 --> 02:21:10,840
Speaker 1: To, so like, let's just say there somehow it's shoehoarded

3080
02:21:10,879 --> 02:21:14,079
to the Jimmy Butler eighteen trade. That's going to happen

3081
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:18,319
if you just got expiring money and one of those

3082
02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:21,479
picks that Phoenix is sending you out somewhere, that's enough

3083
02:21:21,479 --> 02:21:23,760
for you to say, yeah, we'll coupey with Brandon Ingram. Now.

3084
02:21:26,079 --> 02:21:28,879
Speaker 2: Uh, I think it's close. I think I might want

3085
02:21:28,879 --> 02:21:31,840
like a real like those are real first, but like

3086
02:21:32,959 --> 02:21:36,159
a higher upside first, because I still kind of think

3087
02:21:36,239 --> 02:21:38,200
if I get him back on it at a number,

3088
02:21:38,280 --> 02:21:40,399
I mean, he's not obligated to resign with him. That's

3089
02:21:40,399 --> 02:21:42,120
the other thing. It's just where's he going to go?

3090
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:45,280
I think I might be able to do better than that.

3091
02:21:45,399 --> 02:21:47,959
And if the downside is he just comes off the books,

3092
02:21:48,719 --> 02:21:51,639
then all I've sacrificed is like a pick in the

3093
02:21:51,639 --> 02:21:54,639
twenties that you know what I mean, Like it's borderline.

3094
02:21:54,639 --> 02:21:57,600
That's that's a close case. I think I might. I

3095
02:21:57,760 --> 02:21:59,760
might still hold out if that's.

3096
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:02,040
Speaker 1: The I was just curious as if that was like

3097
02:22:02,079 --> 02:22:04,639
your minimum. Now, if you were getting maybe two of

3098
02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:05,680
those picks.

3099
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, then maybe because I think if you talk about

3100
02:22:08,760 --> 02:22:10,879
the like I know I've said this before, but Kevin

3101
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:14,479
Pelton had the equivalent value of those three picks is

3102
02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:16,719
like the number six picks. So if the equivalent value

3103
02:22:16,719 --> 02:22:20,200
of two of them is like thirteen, then like, yeah,

3104
02:22:20,239 --> 02:22:22,520
all right, I could see that I take a number

3105
02:22:22,559 --> 02:22:25,360
thirteen pick in a random draft or the equivalent value

3106
02:22:25,360 --> 02:22:28,079
of it for Brandon Ingram that's about That's fine. It's

3107
02:22:28,079 --> 02:22:30,120
like a lottery protection sort of close to it.

3108
02:22:30,799 --> 02:22:32,479
Speaker 1: So we both have Vonte Green most likely to be

3109
02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:33,840
a traders. I feel like a team might give a

3110
02:22:33,879 --> 02:22:34,559
second round.

3111
02:22:34,360 --> 02:22:36,399
Speaker 2: Pick for him. Yep, and the tax stuff.

3112
02:22:36,559 --> 02:22:39,600
Speaker 1: Next team up. Fun with this one.

3113
02:22:39,639 --> 02:22:41,239
Speaker 2: I can't believe you don't have all the picks listed.

3114
02:22:41,399 --> 02:22:43,920
They're ten point three million below the tacks. They can

3115
02:22:43,959 --> 02:22:47,760
take back about ten million if they trade uz Manjang alone.

3116
02:22:48,159 --> 02:22:51,319
They have the what is that abbreviation? Oh about it?

3117
02:22:52,079 --> 02:22:56,719
Room exception, too many first round picks to go through. Obviously,

3118
02:22:57,040 --> 02:23:00,639
I wish you had tried. That's fun anyway, Shell date,

3119
02:23:00,680 --> 02:23:02,520
You're welcome you did nuts shell it for me. That

3120
02:23:02,559 --> 02:23:06,280
helps the Thunder own their next seven firsts. They also

3121
02:23:06,319 --> 02:23:11,040
have up to six additional incoming first twenty twenty seven

3122
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:13,520
swap rights with the Clips twenty twenty eight swap rights

3123
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:18,959
with Dallas can do anything they want. Don't seem inclined

3124
02:23:18,959 --> 02:23:22,920
to do anything crazy, but I you know, I just

3125
02:23:23,159 --> 02:23:25,959
needs to be said that whoever has the best offer

3126
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:28,319
for like anyone out there, they can just get involved

3127
02:23:28,360 --> 02:23:32,239
if they want to. So what their needs. We've talked

3128
02:23:32,239 --> 02:23:37,000
about like both here and you know in other in

3129
02:23:37,079 --> 02:23:42,000
other pod episodes, just another main creator that is an

3130
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:45,280
upgrade on Jalen Williams, and then you can, you know,

3131
02:23:45,440 --> 02:23:47,440
go down the list. I guess it's it's still you're

3132
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:51,000
talking about a team that's really great, and we just

3133
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:54,239
it's another situation where it's like you could add another

3134
02:23:54,239 --> 02:23:57,920
big you can add more shooting, bigger shooters. We've talked

3135
02:23:57,959 --> 02:24:00,760
about a lot, like bigger than Isaiah Joe, maybe more

3136
02:24:00,799 --> 02:24:03,680
consistent than Aaron Wiggins, or higher volume than Aaron Wiggins.

3137
02:24:05,360 --> 02:24:08,959
I still I'm still the core issue here comes down

3138
02:24:08,959 --> 02:24:12,239
to like whoever they add, do they have a shot

3139
02:24:12,280 --> 02:24:14,840
to be in a closing lineup? And if the answer

3140
02:24:14,920 --> 02:24:18,120
is no, then there's a justification for keeping the powder

3141
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:21,280
dry even though they have like truckloads of powder.

3142
02:24:22,559 --> 02:24:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough to find like realistic that also fit

3143
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:28,680
by the way, within like their pay structure moving forward,

3144
02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:30,920
because Shay is gonna start a new or sign a

3145
02:24:30,959 --> 02:24:33,360
new deal, Chet and Jaim Williams are eventually gonna get

3146
02:24:33,399 --> 02:24:36,159
more expensive. They paid Alice Caruso, some of these other

3147
02:24:36,719 --> 02:24:39,000
like Casey Wallace, depending on if he's a long term

3148
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:40,760
piece for them. Those are guys. They have Aaron Wiggins

3149
02:24:40,840 --> 02:24:43,840
and Isaiah Joe on long term cheap deals. Of the

3150
02:24:43,959 --> 02:24:47,840
names that are realistically available, do any of them get

3151
02:24:47,879 --> 02:24:50,440
you thinking about not standing pad at the denline. I'm

3152
02:24:50,440 --> 02:24:52,760
gonna go through. Let's start with Cam Johnson. They were

3153
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:57,079
linked to him and then they were unlinked to him.

3154
02:24:57,520 --> 02:25:00,440
But is that like a you could structure whatever you like.

3155
02:25:00,479 --> 02:25:02,120
Is it do you need Wiggins and Isaiah Joe and

3156
02:25:02,200 --> 02:25:03,760
a pick to get that done? Is it just one

3157
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:05,200
of them? And then maybe you want to send out

3158
02:25:05,319 --> 02:25:09,159
Ustman Jang two, and there's picks involved. The nets want

3159
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:11,520
the equivalent of two first round picks, which is like

3160
02:25:11,719 --> 02:25:14,600
literally nothing to the Thunder. That's like, sure, here you go.

3161
02:25:15,360 --> 02:25:17,680
But is that someone that moves you to one part

3162
02:25:17,719 --> 02:25:21,600
with those assets and then two is like in a vacuum.

3163
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:22,879
I think you could say, all right, if it was

3164
02:25:22,920 --> 02:25:24,959
one of Wiggins and Joe and there's some first round

3165
02:25:24,959 --> 02:25:29,159
equity involved, sure, But if we're talking both or I

3166
02:25:29,159 --> 02:25:31,079
think even the bigger question is but when you're just

3167
02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:32,760
looking at the context of your team, I think, is

3168
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:35,600
salary structure will fit with them moving forward? But is

3169
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:38,879
he good enough to get you to make a pretty

3170
02:25:38,879 --> 02:25:40,200
substantial midseason move.

3171
02:25:40,559 --> 02:25:42,879
Speaker 2: I think there is at least a case that he

3172
02:25:42,959 --> 02:25:47,440
could close, provided they're going with one big which I

3173
02:25:47,440 --> 02:25:49,559
don't know if that's the right decision to close. I

3174
02:25:49,559 --> 02:25:52,680
still think there's a great I'm very curious about, like

3175
02:25:52,760 --> 02:25:55,760
extended minutes with Hartenstein and chet as you're four or five.

3176
02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:00,440
I think, if I'm the Thunder and it's gonna cost

3177
02:26:00,520 --> 02:26:04,840
me to first, I think I probably and matching salary

3178
02:26:04,879 --> 02:26:07,440
if it's Joe and or Wiggins or however you want

3179
02:26:07,440 --> 02:26:09,479
to put it together. If you can do it using

3180
02:26:09,559 --> 02:26:12,040
Jang as like a significant piece of that salary. Awesome,

3181
02:26:12,079 --> 02:26:15,360
the he's only making five million, but maybe as a.

3182
02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:18,479
Speaker 1: Situation beneath the tax means that that's a lot of

3183
02:26:18,479 --> 02:26:19,319
money they could take back.

3184
02:26:19,639 --> 02:26:24,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think I do that, even while acknowledging

3185
02:26:24,159 --> 02:26:27,040
that Johnson might not meet the criteria. I just laid

3186
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:29,920
out as like he's at least a consideration to close

3187
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:35,959
and and again the prices for them to first is like, okay, sure,

3188
02:26:37,639 --> 02:26:42,799
I I think I would consider that pretty strongly, while

3189
02:26:42,840 --> 02:26:45,520
acknowledging that Johnson is like playing basically the best he's

3190
02:26:45,520 --> 02:26:47,600
ever played, Like that's that's a little risky, But for

3191
02:26:47,639 --> 02:26:50,879
the Thunder, it's like it's a potentially marginal upgrade for

3192
02:26:50,959 --> 02:26:53,879
a marginal price, and that's fine with me at this point.

3193
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:55,280
For them, what.

3194
02:26:55,319 --> 02:26:58,120
Speaker 1: About this is the name I was thinking about if

3195
02:26:58,239 --> 02:27:00,520
and I'm trying to do the most minimal to stick

3196
02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:04,120
amount of names going out. There are other ways to

3197
02:27:04,159 --> 02:27:06,799
build this deal, but if it was you can this

3198
02:27:06,920 --> 02:27:11,520
works financially Kenrich Williams two first round picks for Kobe White.

3199
02:27:12,479 --> 02:27:15,840
Speaker 2: I think I'm definitely doing that. I do that before

3200
02:27:15,879 --> 02:27:17,079
I do the Cam Johnson deal.

3201
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:19,159
Speaker 1: What if one of those picks has to be the

3202
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:20,360
Philly pick this year.

3203
02:27:20,639 --> 02:27:24,719
Speaker 2: So potentially like the number seven pick, if I can

3204
02:27:24,760 --> 02:27:28,040
make the other of the first I'm trying to think

3205
02:27:28,079 --> 02:27:31,280
which one that like my own? Maybe if I'm the theater.

3206
02:27:31,319 --> 02:27:34,360
Speaker 1: Just like in two thousand, they have an interesting into this.

3207
02:27:34,559 --> 02:27:36,280
So why we don't have all the swaps listed like

3208
02:27:36,280 --> 02:27:38,760
the twenty seven and twenty eight swaps on screen for anybody?

3209
02:27:38,959 --> 02:27:41,440
Those are like independent swaps, whereas like these other swaps

3210
02:27:41,479 --> 02:27:43,959
are tied to them getting multiple first round picks. But

3211
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:47,040
I think in twenty twenty six they're gonna get like

3212
02:27:47,159 --> 02:27:51,479
two of the Houston LA Clippers and their own picks.

3213
02:27:51,559 --> 02:27:54,719
So let's say it's the second most favorable of those three,

3214
02:27:54,799 --> 02:27:57,479
which would really be the least favorable of whichever first

3215
02:27:57,520 --> 02:28:01,200
round pick the thunder or holding in twenty six, man.

3216
02:28:01,079 --> 02:28:04,559
Speaker 2: I think White again the closing thing. I don't know,

3217
02:28:05,159 --> 02:28:10,200
but White kind of just just like makes your offense foolproof,

3218
02:28:10,440 --> 02:28:12,600
Like with Shaye off the floor, I think he's that

3219
02:28:12,719 --> 02:28:14,280
good as a guy that you could just give the

3220
02:28:14,280 --> 02:28:16,120
ball to. And then Jalen Williams is again in a

3221
02:28:16,479 --> 02:28:19,719
second option role. I think I do that. If it's

3222
02:28:20,079 --> 02:28:23,399
I think I would consider that because White White's worth

3223
02:28:23,399 --> 02:28:25,959
a good first at least, right, Like.

3224
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:29,079
Speaker 1: If it was just the Philly pick, I do it

3225
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:31,079
at a heartbeat. It's the second first round pick that

3226
02:28:31,120 --> 02:28:33,440
gives me pause. But if I'm the Bulls, even though

3227
02:28:33,479 --> 02:28:35,680
like you might get like Philly might not be like

3228
02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:37,639
what if they just make the plane and everybody's healthy,

3229
02:28:37,680 --> 02:28:40,559
Like that pick could just then convey at like sixteen

3230
02:28:40,639 --> 02:28:42,200
or six, like it could be outside the lottery or

3231
02:28:42,280 --> 02:28:44,479
late lottery. And I think Kobe White is certainly worth

3232
02:28:44,879 --> 02:28:47,719
more than that. I guess the one concern would be

3233
02:28:48,159 --> 02:28:51,319
he's on the books this year for twelve million. He's

3234
02:28:51,399 --> 02:28:54,120
cheap through next year, but then he's gonna be a

3235
02:28:54,120 --> 02:28:56,799
free agent in twenty twenty six, and so that's when

3236
02:28:56,840 --> 02:29:00,360
new deals will have kicked in for chet Well, Shay

3237
02:29:00,840 --> 02:29:03,239
and j dub At that point I would be team

3238
02:29:03,799 --> 02:29:04,559
just figure.

3239
02:29:04,280 --> 02:29:06,600
Speaker 2: It out as you right, right. And if it's a rental,

3240
02:29:06,600 --> 02:29:08,879
it's a rental. You're good enough right now to justify

3241
02:29:08,920 --> 02:29:11,000
a rental, right, I mean it's not a half, it's

3242
02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:14,280
a year and a half rental or whatever. If I'm

3243
02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:16,120
the Bulls, I think, well, who knows what the Bulls

3244
02:29:16,159 --> 02:29:16,639
actually want.

3245
02:29:16,639 --> 02:29:18,799
Speaker 1: But if I'm do that trade, By the way, if

3246
02:29:18,799 --> 02:29:21,639
that you could probably get they could reroute Kenridg Williams

3247
02:29:21,639 --> 02:29:23,719
and get like And by the way, if Okase really

3248
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:25,760
wanted to, they could do something like Usman Jang and

3249
02:29:25,879 --> 02:29:26,799
Dylan Jones.

3250
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:29,920
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, if I'm the Bulls, I

3251
02:29:29,959 --> 02:29:32,879
think and some other teams that they hopefully rebuild, I

3252
02:29:32,959 --> 02:29:34,920
want to look at Usman Jang. I want to see

3253
02:29:34,959 --> 02:29:37,440
if he's a second draft guy. Potentially he hasn't worked

3254
02:29:37,440 --> 02:29:40,280
out for the Thunder, but like he's still really young,

3255
02:29:40,440 --> 02:29:43,319
and there's a reason. Then I trust that the Thunder

3256
02:29:43,360 --> 02:29:45,200
weren't totally out of their minds when they gave up

3257
02:29:45,239 --> 02:29:46,719
a bunch of picks to move up to get them.

3258
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:49,639
I still think, like, I'm I'm interested in a guy

3259
02:29:49,680 --> 02:29:50,440
that they valued.

3260
02:29:50,440 --> 02:29:53,319
Speaker 1: That way, if you're okay, see what type of structure

3261
02:29:53,360 --> 02:29:56,600
for Kobe White would you prefer? Is it Usman jet Like?

3262
02:29:56,600 --> 02:29:59,479
Would you rather trade just Kendrich Williams at a vacuum

3263
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:01,239
that's all you to send out, or would you rather

3264
02:30:01,319 --> 02:30:04,879
trying to have to attach big Jalen Williams or Dylan

3265
02:30:04,959 --> 02:30:08,760
Jones to usban Jang's salary to get it done.

3266
02:30:08,959 --> 02:30:12,159
Speaker 2: I think I'm more interested in the Jang construction because

3267
02:30:12,159 --> 02:30:15,120
I think Williams actually might still matter and Big Jalen

3268
02:30:15,159 --> 02:30:16,840
Williams I think might still matter for them.

3269
02:30:17,879 --> 02:30:19,879
Speaker 1: So it would be Jang and Dylan Jose. They could

3270
02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:22,000
do that as we're giving you three first for Kobe White.

3271
02:30:22,120 --> 02:30:25,079
Speaker 2: There you go, that's how you spent it the recent first.

3272
02:30:25,319 --> 02:30:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do that.

3273
02:30:27,159 --> 02:30:28,520
Speaker 2: You don't think the thunder would do that.

3274
02:30:28,719 --> 02:30:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do I mean, Kenbridge is

3275
02:30:30,600 --> 02:30:32,959
important because of all the injuries to home Grin and

3276
02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:37,959
Hart and Sign of course, but like I don't know,

3277
02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:39,920
and they love him in okay. See, I was just

3278
02:30:39,959 --> 02:30:42,120
trying to do it like the minimum return. If I

3279
02:30:42,120 --> 02:30:44,479
I guess, if I'm okase, I'd probably prefer Jang and

3280
02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:47,159
Big Jalen Williams. But then it's right now, you're it's

3281
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:48,840
hard and Sign and home Grin is like your fives,

3282
02:30:48,840 --> 02:30:50,719
and then we're really in ten Ri Williams in j

3283
02:30:50,840 --> 02:30:52,479
Douve territory as you as your five.

3284
02:30:53,040 --> 02:30:56,239
Speaker 2: Well we know that actually works out okay for stretches,

3285
02:30:56,280 --> 02:30:59,120
but yeah, uh no, I think I guess I'm giving

3286
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:01,760
up on Jang and then that that's the reason I'm

3287
02:31:01,799 --> 02:31:04,280
gravitating towards that package from the Thunder's perspective.

3288
02:31:04,280 --> 02:31:05,879
Speaker 1: But I think that's fair. It's just do you think

3289
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:08,600
they would give because I think the Bulls might should

3290
02:31:08,639 --> 02:31:10,879
do it either way. I just don't. I think they're

3291
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:13,360
very much. I don't think the Thunder would do Dylan

3292
02:31:13,440 --> 02:31:16,479
Jones Jang to first for Kobe White. I really don't

3293
02:31:16,479 --> 02:31:17,280
think they would do that.

3294
02:31:17,440 --> 02:31:20,879
Speaker 2: Dylan Jones Jane to first for Kobe White. I don't

3295
02:31:20,879 --> 02:31:22,479
know I could see it. I guess. I guess it

3296
02:31:22,479 --> 02:31:25,239
depends on what they think about Dylan Jones and and

3297
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:27,799
if they could mess with which first we're talking about.

3298
02:31:27,879 --> 02:31:31,159
Speaker 1: I suppose I guess it was not the Philly pick.

3299
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:33,760
Speaker 2: Maybe conversation. Yeah, I don't know.

3300
02:31:34,159 --> 02:31:37,559
Speaker 1: Are there any other names or realistic names that would

3301
02:31:37,559 --> 02:31:40,399
get you, as the Thunder to think about making it

3302
02:31:40,440 --> 02:31:44,079
like an actual move at the deadline? Uh?

3303
02:31:44,280 --> 02:31:46,840
Speaker 2: I mean we've we were obligated to mention Cody Martin.

3304
02:31:46,959 --> 02:31:50,840
I just don't know that he affects them positively enough

3305
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:54,239
to just Martin, just get it up, just do it.

3306
02:31:55,079 --> 02:31:56,600
Let's see, would you.

3307
02:31:56,639 --> 02:31:59,079
Speaker 1: Do something like I don't know if they're this out

3308
02:31:59,079 --> 02:32:01,719
on Jang, but it's like, oh, give Jang for Chris Bouchet,

3309
02:32:01,879 --> 02:32:04,399
Like we just needed another like type of techudge against

3310
02:32:04,440 --> 02:32:05,639
the HomeGrid and Hartenstein.

3311
02:32:05,920 --> 02:32:07,760
Speaker 2: That's what I was about to say, Like, is this

3312
02:32:07,799 --> 02:32:13,040
where we have to mention like Bouchet and Olynic and stuff. Yeah.

3313
02:32:13,159 --> 02:32:16,479
Any the thing is like if they're healthy, they have

3314
02:32:16,559 --> 02:32:19,399
their spacing big in Chet and so like it's not

3315
02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:21,600
the same as like the Clippers, for example, It's like,

3316
02:32:21,639 --> 02:32:23,680
oh my god, what a change of pace someone like

3317
02:32:23,959 --> 02:32:28,840
Bouchet would give us. Again, though, the Thunder are really

3318
02:32:28,879 --> 02:32:31,360
in a position where like anything they do is just

3319
02:32:31,399 --> 02:32:33,879
to add like a luxury item, which Bouchet I think

3320
02:32:33,879 --> 02:32:37,719
would be. But so do it because why not? You

3321
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:38,920
can't use all these picks.

3322
02:32:40,159 --> 02:32:42,879
Speaker 1: Yes, they have so many options. I think there's a

3323
02:32:42,920 --> 02:32:45,920
strong case for them to stampat they are the best

3324
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:48,399
team in the NBA, maybe no worse than the second

3325
02:32:48,399 --> 02:32:51,440
best team in the NBA right now. I do think

3326
02:32:52,159 --> 02:32:54,559
this would be the postseason, and you can make an

3327
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:56,760
excuse of Chet for some reason isn't healthy, but like

3328
02:32:57,399 --> 02:32:59,479
they might have to recalibrate if they go through this

3329
02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:01,799
postseason with this core, and they deal with a lot

3330
02:33:01,799 --> 02:33:03,840
of the same offensive problems they end up dealing with

3331
02:33:03,879 --> 02:33:04,200
by the.

3332
02:33:04,120 --> 02:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Time they right. It's weird to say about a team

3333
02:33:06,719 --> 02:33:08,799
this good, but it's like you still are kind of

3334
02:33:08,879 --> 02:33:12,360
trying to decide what you actually need by seeing it

3335
02:33:12,520 --> 02:33:16,879
in act. Spot to be right, most likely player be traded,

3336
02:33:18,360 --> 02:33:20,479
I'd say Jang. I just think I don't see a

3337
02:33:20,520 --> 02:33:22,719
future for him, and I could see a team wanting him,

3338
02:33:22,760 --> 02:33:25,319
and the number is small enough to where it kind

3339
02:33:25,319 --> 02:33:28,360
of fits into whatever construction you want to builds as

3340
02:33:28,399 --> 02:33:29,280
a trade package.

3341
02:33:29,559 --> 02:33:31,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I mean, if all they're like if

3342
02:33:31,719 --> 02:33:33,719
their entire front court was healthy, maybe you make a

3343
02:33:33,760 --> 02:33:36,399
case for big Jaylen Williams. But I just don't know

3344
02:33:36,440 --> 02:33:39,600
who else is. I just don't know who else would

3345
02:33:39,639 --> 02:33:42,159
be the candidate here for that. It might even just

3346
02:33:42,200 --> 02:33:43,840
be because even if you just want to take someone

3347
02:33:43,920 --> 02:33:45,639
to their room exception, you have to make sure that

3348
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:47,200
you have a roster spot available there too.

3349
02:33:47,239 --> 02:33:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what, The thought that occurred to me

3350
02:33:49,639 --> 02:33:52,040
as I'm looking at their cap sheet for trade candidates

3351
02:33:52,120 --> 02:33:55,040
is like, what if Topitch just is the creator that

3352
02:33:55,079 --> 02:33:57,639
they actually really need, and he's just he's just in

3353
02:33:57,680 --> 02:33:59,680
the rotation next year and then suddenly we don't have

3354
02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:00,600
any issues.

3355
02:34:00,360 --> 02:34:02,600
Speaker 1: At all that you know what's tough about that though,

3356
02:34:02,639 --> 02:34:04,840
because I likened him, by the way, my pro com

3357
02:34:04,920 --> 02:34:07,280
for him. Do you remember with Shay gilts out right?

3358
02:34:07,879 --> 02:34:10,319
Speaker 2: So, but the issue he's duplicative is what you're saying.

3359
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:13,200
Speaker 1: You got to get rid of Shay because he's duplicative

3360
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:17,159
with Nicolotovich. The issue, and it's not a terrible issue,

3361
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:19,719
be like, let's say they struggle again offensively in the playoffs,

3362
02:34:20,280 --> 02:34:22,159
in their mind like, well, we might just have the

3363
02:34:22,200 --> 02:34:24,879
answer on the roster again. That gets into iffy territory

3364
02:34:24,920 --> 02:34:27,000
because you're still then relying on a rookie.

3365
02:34:27,319 --> 02:34:29,600
Speaker 2: Then you're like, then you're getting a little too close

3366
02:34:29,639 --> 02:34:33,000
to Orlando's roster building approach, where it's like we we

3367
02:34:33,000 --> 02:34:35,600
we trust in our development. We're just gonna let these

3368
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:38,959
guys get better and maybe actually never solve the problem.

3369
02:34:38,760 --> 02:34:41,520
Speaker 1: Our next team, mister Hughes, I believe they are your team.

3370
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:43,879
Speaker 2: I just did the thunder. You're it's your turn.

3371
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:45,920
Speaker 1: Stop trying to do the lasers. They are three point

3372
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:48,520
seven million dollars below the tax because apparently teams this

3373
02:34:48,639 --> 02:34:50,479
bad can be that close to the facts, but for

3374
02:34:50,520 --> 02:34:53,280
them tax concerns next year. I've seen a lot of

3375
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:55,879
people mention this. They seem a little bit overblown. I

3376
02:34:55,879 --> 02:34:58,399
don't think they'll inform it, will inform heavily what they

3377
02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:00,760
do at the deadline. They projected me about five million

3378
02:35:00,840 --> 02:35:03,719
dollars under the tax if everyone comes back and they

3379
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:06,559
have a top five pick. So if there were, if

3380
02:35:06,559 --> 02:35:08,159
they think they're going to get the number one pick

3381
02:35:08,200 --> 02:35:09,399
and they just want to make sure, like you could

3382
02:35:09,360 --> 02:35:12,040
figure out a way to duck it, then But I've

3383
02:35:12,040 --> 02:35:13,440
seen a lot of people kind of use that as

3384
02:35:13,440 --> 02:35:16,399
spin for making trades. Now, I think that's overblown.

3385
02:35:16,520 --> 02:35:17,200
Speaker 2: Their two thousand and.

3386
02:35:17,159 --> 02:35:19,079
Speaker 1: Five first round pick, grant is going to Chicago, but

3387
02:35:19,079 --> 02:35:21,760
it's lottery protected, so it's not going to Chicago. It

3388
02:35:21,840 --> 02:35:24,239
is lottery protected through twenty twenty eight.

3389
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:25,760
Speaker 2: Just ever, it's not going ever.

3390
02:35:26,280 --> 02:35:29,319
Speaker 1: That's a Bonker's like protection strategy. And then it turns

3391
02:35:29,360 --> 02:35:33,000
into a second round pick. They have one extra first

3392
02:35:33,079 --> 02:35:36,879
round pick. It'll come from Milwaukee or Boston in twenty

3393
02:35:37,079 --> 02:35:39,600
twenty nine. The way it works is Portland gets the

3394
02:35:39,639 --> 02:35:43,040
most and least favorable of its own, Boston's and Milwaukee's

3395
02:35:43,079 --> 02:35:46,680
picks in two thousand and twenty nine, and they have

3396
02:35:46,719 --> 02:35:49,399
swap rights with Milwaukee in two thousand and twenty eight

3397
02:35:49,399 --> 02:35:53,360
and thirty. Is that correct? I think so, Grant, Like,

3398
02:35:53,399 --> 02:35:55,559
what do we talk about with this team before we

3399
02:35:55,600 --> 02:35:58,360
get into like there they shouldn't be They have needs.

3400
02:35:58,399 --> 02:36:00,920
They definitely need more shooting this team, But I'm not

3401
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:03,440
sitting there saying let's go out and buy shooting. I

3402
02:36:03,440 --> 02:36:05,639
think you look at it in a way of saying

3403
02:36:06,079 --> 02:36:08,079
of the players that we probably should be trading, is

3404
02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:09,959
there a way maybe we get some shooting back as.

3405
02:36:09,879 --> 02:36:12,280
Speaker 2: Part of that deal? Sure? Yeah, I think I think

3406
02:36:12,319 --> 02:36:15,799
their needs they're over. Their primary need is a cornerstone

3407
02:36:15,799 --> 02:36:18,040
that's like obvious, which they don't have. You're not trading

3408
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:21,479
for that right now, obviously They're like. One B is

3409
02:36:22,040 --> 02:36:25,920
how do we get cheaper to sort of make it

3410
02:36:25,959 --> 02:36:28,200
make sense with how bad we are and how early

3411
02:36:28,239 --> 02:36:31,159
we are in our rebuild? Uh to like, how do

3412
02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:34,079
we get our books to look like that of a

3413
02:36:34,120 --> 02:36:37,200
team that is as early in this process as we are,

3414
02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:40,399
which would include Jeremy Grant moving, which would include DeAndre

3415
02:36:40,639 --> 02:36:45,680
and Anthony Simons on down the list. This is like,

3416
02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:48,799
the more you look at this team, the Wilder, it

3417
02:36:48,840 --> 02:36:53,399
gets some of the financial decisions they made, and like

3418
02:36:53,479 --> 02:36:57,559
the situation that they're in with how bad, like it's

3419
02:36:57,719 --> 02:37:00,680
I don't know, it doesn't weirdly feel like totally disastrous,

3420
02:37:01,719 --> 02:37:05,600
but it's it's really what they're paying this roster is

3421
02:37:05,639 --> 02:37:09,280
so out is maybe what what team what team's payroll

3422
02:37:09,319 --> 02:37:11,559
is more out of step with its performance than Portland

3423
02:37:11,639 --> 02:37:15,159
right now? Like and so that to me, just yeah, well,

3424
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:18,920
which that is destroyed by injuries like that that is

3425
02:37:19,360 --> 02:37:22,000
you know what I mean? Like, so I think for

3426
02:37:22,239 --> 02:37:25,799
the Blazers, it's just how do we like get our

3427
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:31,200
payroll into like a lot of a sensible you know, strata,

3428
02:37:31,319 --> 02:37:33,600
Like it's just it's insane some of the contracts they

3429
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:37,159
have on their books right now. So and the double

3430
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:40,120
like the double whammy of it all is like to

3431
02:37:40,200 --> 02:37:42,920
move them, you probably need to give up either young

3432
02:37:42,959 --> 02:37:45,079
players or draft picks, and those are the very last

3433
02:37:45,079 --> 02:37:46,959
things a team like Portland should be looking to get

3434
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:47,319
rid of.

3435
02:37:47,959 --> 02:37:51,239
Speaker 1: Are you at the point that you would give Jeremy

3436
02:37:51,239 --> 02:37:54,600
Grant up without receiving a first round pick and return.

3437
02:37:55,559 --> 02:38:00,799
Speaker 2: If I can get like one semi projectable young player, Okay,

3438
02:38:00,959 --> 02:38:03,719
I was, like, I get I get it. I'm not

3439
02:38:03,719 --> 02:38:06,200
getting picks. If I can get one player that I

3440
02:38:06,200 --> 02:38:09,319
can look at and say, like he might be something,

3441
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:12,840
you know, in three years, I think that's probably I would.

3442
02:38:12,920 --> 02:38:15,680
I think I would do it. I just don't know, like,

3443
02:38:16,120 --> 02:38:19,159
because clearly you're not going to get those picks. Nobody's

3444
02:38:19,639 --> 02:38:20,760
nobody's put them on the table.

3445
02:38:20,879 --> 02:38:22,959
Speaker 1: I don't even know who the Jeremy Grant team is

3446
02:38:23,479 --> 02:38:24,079
at the moment.

3447
02:38:24,120 --> 02:38:26,440
Speaker 2: I mean you can throw out the Lakers. That's you know,

3448
02:38:26,559 --> 02:38:29,799
that's that's one you here mentioned sometimes. Uh so if.

3449
02:38:29,719 --> 02:38:34,280
Speaker 1: You're getting Ruy Gabe Vincent and Jared Vanderbilt and.

3450
02:38:34,280 --> 02:38:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm not getting my young player there, but then the

3451
02:38:36,399 --> 02:38:38,799
Lakers don't have that guy, so like they're.

3452
02:38:38,559 --> 02:38:41,319
Speaker 1: Not Moore is the interesting young player in that sense?

3453
02:38:42,879 --> 02:38:43,799
Speaker 2: Would they even do that?

3454
02:38:43,959 --> 02:38:45,680
Speaker 1: Would you say? No, I don't think Lakers were. You

3455
02:38:45,719 --> 02:38:47,280
can also make a case that Ruytch Moore has been

3456
02:38:47,319 --> 02:38:49,479
better than Jeremy Grant an offense.

3457
02:38:49,639 --> 02:38:54,680
Speaker 2: Sure, well then I mean bigger picture question, do you

3458
02:38:54,719 --> 02:38:57,000
just hold on to Jeremy Grant and he becomes like

3459
02:38:57,719 --> 02:39:00,520
perhaps like more valuable as there are fewer left on

3460
02:39:00,559 --> 02:39:03,559
his deal and maybe he plays better next year? That's

3461
02:39:03,639 --> 02:39:06,200
rough because you're just you're just winding the clock back

3462
02:39:06,239 --> 02:39:09,120
as Portland. You know, the longer you wait, I worry.

3463
02:39:08,879 --> 02:39:11,319
Speaker 1: What that means about like your overall floor balance. But

3464
02:39:11,360 --> 02:39:14,239
he has not inhibited like Denny Avidya has gotten better

3465
02:39:14,280 --> 02:39:16,239
for them from where he was the middle of this

3466
02:39:16,360 --> 02:39:18,719
year at the beginning of this year. Excuse me, Jamadi

3467
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:23,799
Kamar has been fantastic for them. So I don't like that.

3468
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:25,920
That's an interesting stance to take. But like, you're just

3469
02:39:26,040 --> 02:39:29,319
okay as the Blazers, Okay, everybody's just still on this

3470
02:39:29,440 --> 02:39:31,440
roster leading into the offseason. Do you think that they're

3471
02:39:31,479 --> 02:39:34,959
bad enough to like, Okay, none of this is because

3472
02:39:35,000 --> 02:39:36,879
chhny Bils is gonna stop playing these guys.

3473
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not okay with that. But but I

3474
02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:44,159
think I don't know what your what your alternatives are,

3475
02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:48,479
so like the guys that they definitely could trade Avdia,

3476
02:39:48,680 --> 02:39:50,479
I still think Simon's because.

3477
02:39:50,239 --> 02:39:52,680
Speaker 1: You are you getting as much for Abdia as you

3478
02:39:52,719 --> 02:39:53,799
gave up for Avdia.

3479
02:39:54,120 --> 02:39:56,360
Speaker 2: Well that's again, so do you what do you hold

3480
02:39:56,399 --> 02:39:59,159
on to him? Like? I just I just don't know,

3481
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:01,440
But I think you can get positive How about this?

3482
02:40:01,479 --> 02:40:04,000
You can get positive value for Optia. Oh, I think

3483
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:06,559
you can get positive value for Simon's with the with

3484
02:40:06,639 --> 02:40:09,319
the right team, he's maybe borderline. I think you get

3485
02:40:09,360 --> 02:40:13,520
positive value for r W three. I think Kamara you

3486
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:18,479
definitely get positive value for and get in.

3487
02:40:18,520 --> 02:40:22,399
Speaker 1: Terms of what's the player on this roster that would

3488
02:40:22,440 --> 02:40:25,559
get you multiple first round picks in a trade. The

3489
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:28,000
only two I'm confident in saying would get you multiple

3490
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:31,040
first round picks or probably like Tamani Kamara and Donovan Clincon.

3491
02:40:31,399 --> 02:40:33,319
I don't know if it's like Scoot's been better.

3492
02:40:33,559 --> 02:40:36,760
Speaker 2: Give Sharp probably first for Sharp?

3493
02:40:37,079 --> 02:40:38,319
Speaker 1: Has he shown it like to that?

3494
02:40:38,520 --> 02:40:40,159
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. It's like, that's who you meant.

3495
02:40:40,239 --> 02:40:43,040
I don't. I don't know. You might get one He's

3496
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:46,079
that So that that is illustrative of what we're dealing

3497
02:40:46,120 --> 02:40:48,280
with here, is like the guys you really really want

3498
02:40:48,319 --> 02:40:53,520
to trade, you definitely can't get multiple first for I just, uh,

3499
02:40:54,559 --> 02:40:56,280
we got to focus on the guys they can move

3500
02:40:56,600 --> 02:40:57,399
can we get.

3501
02:40:57,399 --> 02:40:59,360
Speaker 1: Actually, I think you made an interesting point because you

3502
02:40:59,360 --> 02:41:01,440
even look at how well maybe you'd like him to

3503
02:41:01,440 --> 02:41:04,520
play more and that's the but like Donovan Klingen, the

3504
02:41:04,600 --> 02:41:07,479
current setup, like having these veterans and injuries have taken

3505
02:41:07,479 --> 02:41:07,879
care of.

3506
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:08,079
Speaker 2: Some of it.

3507
02:41:08,159 --> 02:41:10,719
Speaker 1: Like that hasn't inhibited his development either, Like he's probably

3508
02:41:10,760 --> 02:41:12,559
gonna make it all rookie team. He's been really good.

3509
02:41:12,920 --> 02:41:16,040
So is there more If you could just you know,

3510
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:19,600
make Chauncey Billips understand the plot, and it's like, you know,

3511
02:41:19,639 --> 02:41:21,120
some of these guys don't see the night of day

3512
02:41:21,159 --> 02:41:24,239
after February sixth, and we're gonna lead into the development

3513
02:41:24,239 --> 02:41:26,600
because you're bad enough, your third worst in the West.

3514
02:41:26,840 --> 02:41:29,479
You're not gonna outtank some of these teams. Anyway, I

3515
02:41:29,520 --> 02:41:31,680
actually hadn't thought about them. I assumed that they were

3516
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:34,959
gonna trade, like I honestly I probably would trade Robert

3517
02:41:34,959 --> 02:41:38,079
Williams the Third Justice, Like, let's make sure there's no

3518
02:41:38,079 --> 02:41:40,399
one standing in the way of at least maximizes me.

3519
02:41:40,520 --> 02:41:42,639
I want to see m again. I want to test

3520
02:41:42,680 --> 02:41:44,920
the stamina of Donovan Klingen of how many minutes that

3521
02:41:44,959 --> 02:41:48,159
he can log. So let's, you know, clear up the

3522
02:41:48,159 --> 02:41:51,239
big man Glood and me personally, if I could get

3523
02:41:51,360 --> 02:41:54,239
like shorter term money and just get rid of Grant

3524
02:41:54,239 --> 02:41:56,440
and now I'm all in on me, like the Avia

3525
02:41:56,520 --> 02:41:59,120
the Tabani Kamara experience, and then like opening up some

3526
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:01,399
minutes for just even like the Chris Murray's and the

3527
02:42:01,479 --> 02:42:03,840
repairs and even if like the Shane Sharp's of the world,

3528
02:42:04,120 --> 02:42:08,079
Matis Cibo whatever, I would consider doing something like that, Simons.

3529
02:42:08,920 --> 02:42:11,159
I don't disagree with you. I just feel more strongly

3530
02:42:11,319 --> 02:42:13,399
I think you definitely get positive value, Like you get

3531
02:42:13,399 --> 02:42:15,639
a first round pick for him. I just view was

3532
02:42:15,719 --> 02:42:19,600
just like needing someone to open up the floor. He's

3533
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:21,760
like the only player on this team that I'm confident

3534
02:42:21,799 --> 02:42:23,840
can do that. And if if you're only getting a

3535
02:42:24,040 --> 02:42:26,959
first round pick, like if Orlando came and said, okay,

3536
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:30,479
here's Jet Howard end a first round pick, or Tristan

3537
02:42:30,520 --> 02:42:32,680
da Silva and a first round pick and then salary,

3538
02:42:32,920 --> 02:42:33,799
that probably.

3539
02:42:33,440 --> 02:42:34,280
Speaker 2: Gets me to do it.

3540
02:42:34,319 --> 02:42:37,000
Speaker 1: But I can't. And I'm only getting like one first

3541
02:42:37,079 --> 02:42:39,959
round pick that's not you know, the Philly pick from OKAC.

3542
02:42:41,000 --> 02:42:42,120
Speaker 2: I might just hold lot.

3543
02:42:41,959 --> 02:42:42,760
Speaker 1: That at this point.

3544
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's a little bit like the Grant argument

3545
02:42:46,319 --> 02:42:48,959
of maybe maybe it's just now's not the time to

3546
02:42:48,959 --> 02:42:51,360
get the most you're gonna get for him. Like I

3547
02:42:51,520 --> 02:42:54,280
just if it's like Gary Harris and a first and

3548
02:42:54,760 --> 02:42:57,920
something for Simons, just like just do it.

3549
02:42:57,920 --> 02:43:00,520
Speaker 1: It just that's fair, do it.

3550
02:43:00,680 --> 02:43:03,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, like, I guess I'm thinking

3551
02:43:03,520 --> 02:43:07,840
of it from the fan perspective of, like I don't like,

3552
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:11,559
what are you selling right now as a franchise, Like

3553
02:43:11,600 --> 02:43:15,440
what are you? You can't really like If Scoot were

3554
02:43:15,479 --> 02:43:17,159
what we thought he was gonna be, then this is

3555
02:43:17,159 --> 02:43:20,319
a very different conversation. I think the fact that he's

3556
02:43:20,399 --> 02:43:23,040
not is just like, well, you got to bottom out,

3557
02:43:23,079 --> 02:43:26,959
you gotta hoard dress. It's just the most basic rebuild plan,

3558
02:43:27,719 --> 02:43:30,959
like they should be, except you have all these expensive

3559
02:43:30,959 --> 02:43:33,879
contracts on the books that like you can't just wait

3560
02:43:33,959 --> 02:43:36,719
till they all run out. So I'm I'm ready to

3561
02:43:36,799 --> 02:43:41,719
move any kind of big salary for like just almost

3562
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:44,200
just to do it at this point. I don't know,

3563
02:43:44,280 --> 02:43:47,239
Like that's probably pretty extreme, but you know what I mean,

3564
02:43:47,319 --> 02:43:49,600
Like I don't need much to move even a guy

3565
02:43:49,600 --> 02:43:52,159
like Simon's, who I agree is more valuable than your

3566
02:43:52,319 --> 02:43:53,719
Aighten's or grants or whatever.

3567
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:55,520
Speaker 1: They're in a weird spot, which is not to say

3568
02:43:55,520 --> 02:43:58,920
a bast because Scoot has been verging on fantastic lately,

3569
02:43:59,120 --> 02:44:02,600
which is super cocouraging Shade and sharp. The additional self

3570
02:44:02,600 --> 02:44:06,520
creation he shoulder shouldered, encouraging Donovan bringing good. But the

3571
02:44:06,600 --> 02:44:08,319
problem is, so you have a bunch of the Tamani

3572
02:44:08,360 --> 02:44:11,639
Kamara excellent, you don't have you have a couple of

3573
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:14,399
lottery tickets. I would say two in terms of looking

3574
02:44:14,440 --> 02:44:17,760
at could this player be the person around whom we

3575
02:44:17,799 --> 02:44:20,079
build everything. It's Scooter Shade and they don't have it's

3576
02:44:20,239 --> 02:44:22,159
Donovan clinking is just not the type of dude that

3577
02:44:22,239 --> 02:44:24,639
you do that for. So it's a weird spot, but

3578
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:28,719
it's nowhere near hopeless. I just don't understand. Like they

3579
02:44:28,760 --> 02:44:30,719
sat on Jeremy Grant too long. We could all that

3580
02:44:30,719 --> 02:44:33,280
deal was curious in the moment, and then there was

3581
02:44:33,280 --> 02:44:35,159
talk like they didn't they needed at least two first

3582
02:44:35,239 --> 02:44:36,959
round picks at the beginning of the season, that that

3583
02:44:37,040 --> 02:44:39,200
might not be enough. They sat on him too long,

3584
02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:40,680
and that's probably their biggest folly.

3585
02:44:41,200 --> 02:44:45,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. You can't. I was gonna say,

3586
02:44:45,239 --> 02:44:48,559
like they there's a way they come out of this

3587
02:44:48,600 --> 02:44:51,600
deadline where we feel way better about them, right if

3588
02:44:51,639 --> 02:44:54,600
they do, if they do move, like I think Robert Williams,

3589
02:44:55,079 --> 02:44:57,239
there's enough. We've talked about him enough and there's enough

3590
02:44:57,239 --> 02:44:58,959
teams that are like, yes, that could be the guy

3591
02:44:59,000 --> 02:45:01,360
that makes sense for us. They can get something for him.

3592
02:45:01,879 --> 02:45:04,159
I think they can get something for the Doop Breath.

3593
02:45:04,200 --> 02:45:05,879
I don't know what that gets you, but they he

3594
02:45:05,920 --> 02:45:09,479
should certainly be in some level of demand. Simon's I

3595
02:45:09,479 --> 02:45:11,440
think you can move if you just come out of

3596
02:45:11,440 --> 02:45:13,559
this with you still have Grant on the books, and

3597
02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:16,000
that's like kind of your only remaining deal that you

3598
02:45:16,040 --> 02:45:19,719
don't love, Like one that's actually plausible to me, and

3599
02:45:19,760 --> 02:45:23,159
two like that's I just feel way better about Portland

3600
02:45:23,239 --> 02:45:26,280
going into post deadline existence. If that's where we are.

3601
02:45:26,639 --> 02:45:28,239
Speaker 1: Who's your most likely player to be traded?

3602
02:45:30,120 --> 02:45:33,600
Speaker 2: I think it's Williams. I think there's enough teams and

3603
02:45:33,639 --> 02:45:36,719
his number is low enough that I think they'll be

3604
02:45:36,799 --> 02:45:39,319
multip like you'll have multiple offers. I think for him

3605
02:45:39,360 --> 02:45:42,879
that as Portland, you'll be choosing between multiple like positive

3606
02:45:42,959 --> 02:45:45,360
value packages. So I would just go with him.

3607
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to do Op Breaf because he's so cheap,

3608
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:49,000
and there seems to be like so many teams that

3609
02:45:49,040 --> 02:45:53,040
just want reserve bigs right now. Yeah, Grant one team left.

3610
02:45:53,360 --> 02:45:57,120
We made it here, it is podcast. This is your

3611
02:45:57,159 --> 02:45:57,840
team right.

3612
02:45:57,719 --> 02:46:01,719
Speaker 2: Twenty seven point two million below the tax. Not a

3613
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:02,879
lot of financial uish.

3614
02:46:02,920 --> 02:46:06,399
Speaker 1: Randam come home that come up with he from Utah? Oh,

3615
02:46:06,799 --> 02:46:07,879
I think he's from Texas.

3616
02:46:07,959 --> 02:46:11,040
Speaker 2: Okay, it's close, I guess. Uh. Their twenty five first

3617
02:46:11,079 --> 02:46:13,040
is going to the Thunder with top ten protection, so

3618
02:46:13,079 --> 02:46:15,319
it is not going to Thunder top eight in twenty

3619
02:46:15,360 --> 02:46:18,680
twenty six. That obligation goes away if it's not conveyed.

3620
02:46:19,120 --> 02:46:20,440
I love those disappearing picks.

3621
02:46:20,799 --> 02:46:20,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

3622
02:46:21,000 --> 02:46:23,719
Speaker 2: They just traded for Phoenix's twenty thirty one first rounder,

3623
02:46:23,799 --> 02:46:26,799
Danny ah Special, and they're giving up the least favorable

3624
02:46:27,399 --> 02:46:29,879
of theirs. The Calves in Minnesota's first rounder is in

3625
02:46:29,879 --> 02:46:34,200
twenty five, twenty seven, and twenty nine. The Jazz are

3626
02:46:34,319 --> 02:46:37,239
like they've got the call In sections and the John

3627
02:46:37,319 --> 02:46:40,040
Collinses and the Jordan Clarkson's and who am I forgetting?

3628
02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:43,760
Those are the main ones all ready to go if

3629
02:46:43,760 --> 02:46:49,799
you're willing to do this is my little mini like

3630
02:46:49,840 --> 02:46:53,280
trade deadline soapbox thing. Don't trade Walker Kessler? Like I

3631
02:46:53,440 --> 02:46:57,280
just going to that always felt, yeah, let's we need

3632
02:46:57,440 --> 02:47:00,079
like that's you know what? Is he the closest thing?

3633
02:47:00,159 --> 02:47:02,360
They don't have a cornerstone? Is he the closest thing

3634
02:47:02,440 --> 02:47:04,680
to like, yeah, we think we're sure this guy is

3635
02:47:04,719 --> 02:47:07,079
going to be a multi year starter that they have

3636
02:47:07,239 --> 02:47:07,760
right now.

3637
02:47:08,200 --> 02:47:12,559
Speaker 1: Cody Williams, No, I mean I still think it's George.

3638
02:47:13,319 --> 02:47:16,319
Speaker 2: That's the guy you'd tab. But I just any higher

3639
02:47:16,360 --> 02:47:18,559
ceiling obviously just because of the player type and the

3640
02:47:18,639 --> 02:47:21,520
upside and stuff. But like you just if you're the Jazz,

3641
02:47:21,559 --> 02:47:24,280
I think Kesler unless I don't know what kind of

3642
02:47:24,280 --> 02:47:25,680
offer it would need to be, but I'm just not

3643
02:47:25,719 --> 02:47:30,000
trading Kessler. Uh So their needs are I mean, if

3644
02:47:30,040 --> 02:47:31,360
you want to talk about it, do.

3645
02:47:31,319 --> 02:47:33,079
Speaker 1: You think they could get on bogie from Toronto?

3646
02:47:33,159 --> 02:47:35,159
Speaker 2: Or is that like he's too small? He's too small.

3647
02:47:35,319 --> 02:47:37,159
I think I take the equivalent of a bad first

3648
02:47:37,239 --> 02:47:42,120
round pick for him. I mean, yeah, Actually, if you're

3649
02:47:42,120 --> 02:47:46,159
trying to build the team, sure, wings guys. Basically it's

3650
02:47:46,200 --> 02:47:49,399
like anybody that plays positions or fills a role that

3651
02:47:49,479 --> 02:47:55,319
makes life easier on George Kessler, Cody Williams, Isaiah Collier

3652
02:47:55,319 --> 02:47:56,840
if you want to throw him in there. So that's

3653
02:47:56,959 --> 02:47:59,719
just three and D wings that are, you know, not

3654
02:47:59,799 --> 02:48:04,600
how usage players basically realistically though, it's just you're still

3655
02:48:04,639 --> 02:48:08,000
in pick hoarding mode and trying to move salaries or

3656
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:10,719
even take on bad salary with picks attached.

3657
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Do you think of all the rebuilding teams though, and

3658
02:48:13,719 --> 02:48:18,239
I'm not including san Antonio here, that they have the

3659
02:48:18,280 --> 02:48:22,200
most licensed to say, hey, like, let's if someone just

3660
02:48:22,200 --> 02:48:25,120
became available that's younger, that would cost you actual picks

3661
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:27,760
or maybe one of your younger guys, that they're the

3662
02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:28,799
team that should consider it.

3663
02:48:28,879 --> 02:48:33,040
Speaker 2: Or no, well just because they already have like marketing

3664
02:48:33,159 --> 02:48:34,120
for example, Well they have.

3665
02:48:34,200 --> 02:48:35,920
Speaker 1: Marketing and they I mean they have a ship ton

3666
02:48:35,959 --> 02:48:36,399
of picks.

3667
02:48:36,520 --> 02:48:42,399
Speaker 2: Still yeah, probably, well yeah, because free agency for Utah

3668
02:48:42,559 --> 02:48:44,399
is not what it is for a lot of other teams.

3669
02:48:44,440 --> 02:48:47,239
And so if you can trade for someone, I mean

3670
02:48:47,239 --> 02:48:49,600
that must have been I mean marketing was like nobody

3671
02:48:49,639 --> 02:48:50,159
thought marketing.

3672
02:48:50,840 --> 02:48:53,520
Speaker 1: He was basically salary fill right.

3673
02:48:53,520 --> 02:48:57,520
Speaker 2: But like that that is that being said, trades are

3674
02:48:57,559 --> 02:48:59,520
the way that the trades in the draft are the

3675
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:02,559
way that the Jazz get their next great roster. It's

3676
02:49:02,600 --> 02:49:05,360
not free agency. So in that sense, yes, they are

3677
02:49:05,639 --> 02:49:08,479
the rebuilder that's like, oh, we can just trade for

3678
02:49:08,559 --> 02:49:11,200
someone that like maybe fits, but like it's kind of

3679
02:49:11,239 --> 02:49:13,600
like the best you're gonna do. I do think I

3680
02:49:13,639 --> 02:49:14,239
think that's fair.

3681
02:49:14,440 --> 02:49:15,959
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who would be good enough

3682
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:18,280
though for them. Just to make this conversation more interesting

3683
02:49:18,280 --> 02:49:20,440
than are they gonna trade Clark, Sat Collins or second?

3684
02:49:20,440 --> 02:49:22,840
Who's most likely traded? I'm gonna name a couple of guys.

3685
02:49:23,000 --> 02:49:25,000
Are they good enough for the Jet? Kobe White?

3686
02:49:25,680 --> 02:49:28,399
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, I mean he's he would be their second

3687
02:49:28,440 --> 02:49:29,719
best player just right away.

3688
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:31,920
Speaker 1: Well yes, but like in terms like he's only has

3689
02:49:31,959 --> 02:49:33,559
one year left on his deal. You have to factor

3690
02:49:33,600 --> 02:49:33,920
that in.

3691
02:49:34,280 --> 02:49:36,159
Speaker 2: I think you overpay to keep him if you can.

3692
02:49:37,159 --> 02:49:39,879
But but just get you again, that's to your point,

3693
02:49:39,920 --> 02:49:42,399
like get the guy on board, and then you know,

3694
02:49:42,879 --> 02:49:44,959
just hope that hope that he likes what he sees

3695
02:49:45,079 --> 02:49:46,159
enough to keep him, because you can't.

3696
02:49:47,079 --> 02:49:48,879
Speaker 1: I should have saved him for last because he was

3697
02:49:48,879 --> 02:49:50,239
like one of my friend names. I was gonna say,

3698
02:49:50,319 --> 02:49:51,159
Melo Ball.

3699
02:49:52,559 --> 02:49:54,639
Speaker 2: What a fun fit in Utah?

3700
02:49:55,399 --> 02:49:55,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

3701
02:49:56,719 --> 02:49:58,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you keep LaMelo Ball?

3702
02:49:58,520 --> 02:50:01,079
Speaker 1: I guess he's in a contract for another four years?

3703
02:50:01,079 --> 02:50:09,000
Speaker 2: So yes, Well tell dearon Fox what a contract means, Dan, Oh,

3704
02:50:09,440 --> 02:50:11,520
do you think he is? I don't think he's there.

3705
02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:12,920
They're on his destination list.

3706
02:50:13,280 --> 02:50:16,399
Speaker 1: So let's just assume that these players would at least

3707
02:50:16,479 --> 02:50:19,520
stay or be open to staying. Okay, the would be

3708
02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:22,239
the assumption. I'm I'm at the point where in total

3709
02:50:22,280 --> 02:50:25,520
free agency changes, I'm going to assume that bird rights

3710
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:28,079
are just more important than they've arguably ever been.

3711
02:50:28,159 --> 02:50:31,840
Speaker 2: So your answer is yes to everyone you've you've said unequivocally.

3712
02:50:31,319 --> 02:50:32,840
Speaker 1: No, I actually probably wouldn't do it for the Aaron

3713
02:50:32,840 --> 02:50:34,239
Fox because I think that he would leave.

3714
02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, ball, Yeah right, I think well, I mean, is

3715
02:50:39,920 --> 02:50:42,280
he likely. He's probably likelier to leave than Kobe White,

3716
02:50:42,319 --> 02:50:46,760
just for very different reasons. Yeah, I think so. The

3717
02:50:46,840 --> 02:50:52,120
risk for Utah is that, like you do, snap up,

3718
02:50:52,319 --> 02:50:54,879
you know, whatever the next best thing is that comes along,

3719
02:50:54,920 --> 02:50:56,399
because you don't think you're ever going to be able

3720
02:50:56,440 --> 02:50:59,040
to sign anybody, so you just you take you know,

3721
02:50:59,360 --> 02:51:01,319
you could go on ten more players on your list

3722
02:51:01,360 --> 02:51:03,440
and they're just like, yeah, we'll take that guy, and

3723
02:51:03,440 --> 02:51:05,799
then it's just like you lock yourself into being not

3724
02:51:05,920 --> 02:51:08,040
good enough, except they got all those picks, so you

3725
02:51:08,040 --> 02:51:09,600
can kind of trade your way out of any kind

3726
02:51:09,639 --> 02:51:11,719
of trouble you get into. Not that that's an ideal

3727
02:51:11,719 --> 02:51:12,680
rebuild strategy.

3728
02:51:12,920 --> 02:51:14,399
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get you to really fake. What about

3729
02:51:14,440 --> 02:51:16,600
some bonus, oh.

3730
02:51:16,319 --> 02:51:19,319
Speaker 2: Man, well, are you trading Kessler, Because I've already laid

3731
02:51:19,360 --> 02:51:21,360
out my stance on Walker Kessler trades.

3732
02:51:21,799 --> 02:51:23,799
Speaker 1: So bonus and marketing to be a pretty dream front

3733
02:51:23,840 --> 02:51:24,319
court though.

3734
02:51:24,360 --> 02:51:32,159
Speaker 2: That would be kind of fun. Man, Yeah, why not?

3735
02:51:32,600 --> 02:51:33,959
Speaker 1: I didn't think you were gonna say.

3736
02:51:33,920 --> 02:51:35,879
Speaker 2: Yes, let's set the floor high. Yeah, we don't know

3737
02:51:35,920 --> 02:51:37,639
what the ceiling is, but we're setting the floor.

3738
02:51:38,639 --> 02:51:41,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, So they could be interesting in that way.

3739
02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:43,600
I don't expect them to act that way, but like

3740
02:51:43,639 --> 02:51:47,000
that would be like I would totally consider. I mean,

3741
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:49,200
they just gave away like some throwaway first round picks.

3742
02:51:49,200 --> 02:51:50,760
Like if they could have just given those three first

3743
02:51:50,840 --> 02:51:53,079
round picks for Kobe White like I might have. Would

3744
02:51:53,120 --> 02:51:55,639
you prefer that? Or Phoenix is twenty thirty one first?

3745
02:51:57,920 --> 02:52:00,639
Speaker 2: Uh? What twenty thirty one first from Phoenix versus what

3746
02:52:01,159 --> 02:52:07,479
Kobe White? Man, it's so far away. Any pick that

3747
02:52:07,520 --> 02:52:09,399
far off is really hard. I just think that pick

3748
02:52:09,440 --> 02:52:13,639
is going to be really good. Uh. If you told

3749
02:52:13,639 --> 02:52:15,959
me I was gonna keep Kobe White, I'd take Kobe White.

3750
02:52:16,079 --> 02:52:16,600
How about that?

3751
02:52:16,840 --> 02:52:17,559
Speaker 1: I think I would too.

3752
02:52:17,639 --> 02:52:19,000
Speaker 2: Can I get that concession from you?

3753
02:52:19,760 --> 02:52:22,079
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't completely roll it out for you. Try

3754
02:52:22,120 --> 02:52:24,200
to do something that just because Danny Ainge is He's

3755
02:52:24,239 --> 02:52:26,159
the king of almost, although I think the King's front

3756
02:52:26,159 --> 02:52:28,360
office is now the king of almost. They like the league,

3757
02:52:28,360 --> 02:52:31,719
how they've almost got where we had, Cam Johnson, John Collins,

3758
02:52:31,719 --> 02:52:35,000
Pascal Siakam, they were involved in Oganobi list goes on

3759
02:52:35,719 --> 02:52:38,520
most likely player to be traded here, though.

3760
02:52:39,200 --> 02:52:45,440
Speaker 2: Well it's got to come from the Sexton, Clarkson, Collins pods.

3761
02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:47,479
Speaker 1: Come on, all those reserve bigs.

3762
02:52:49,799 --> 02:52:52,360
Speaker 2: I think it's Sexton, isn't it Sexton? He's just I

3763
02:52:52,360 --> 02:52:54,440
can imagine more teams being interested in him.

3764
02:52:54,559 --> 02:52:56,520
Speaker 1: So I think there are two ways to make that argument.

3765
02:52:56,760 --> 02:52:59,159
Is one to dismiss it as wrong, and then two

3766
02:52:59,719 --> 02:53:02,920
just say saying like that the market is so barren

3767
02:53:03,040 --> 02:53:06,479
right now that some team with modest assets is gonna

3768
02:53:06,479 --> 02:53:08,559
come calling and maybe you get two first round picks

3769
02:53:08,639 --> 02:53:10,360
or picking a young player for him. But I'm also

3770
02:53:10,399 --> 02:53:12,760
just looking at it and thinking d Aaron Fox is

3771
02:53:12,760 --> 02:53:15,079
now on the trade market. That might hurt context and

3772
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:17,399
in terms of which teams are gonna make him their

3773
02:53:17,399 --> 02:53:20,079
top priority. So I almost feel like Jordan Clarkson's my

3774
02:53:20,159 --> 02:53:22,959
answer because he's cheaper, and I think the Jazz would

3775
02:53:22,959 --> 02:53:25,360
part with him. In exchange for second round compensation.

3776
02:53:26,159 --> 02:53:29,200
Speaker 2: So he's got He's making fourteen this year and next.

3777
02:53:30,040 --> 02:53:35,079
Sexton's eighteen this year, nineteen next. Yeah, I don't mean yeah,

3778
02:53:35,079 --> 02:53:37,520
I guess that is a reasonably.

3779
02:53:38,719 --> 02:53:43,360
Speaker 1: And Dario charge deal with swaps for Jordan Clarkson do it?

3780
02:53:43,399 --> 02:53:46,079
Speaker 2: Is there a way for the Jazz Like we just

3781
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:48,520
did the Pelicans a minute ago, but like if if

3782
02:53:48,559 --> 02:53:50,399
the if the Pelicans not that they would do this

3783
02:53:50,440 --> 02:53:52,200
because of what we all what we just talked about,

3784
02:53:52,200 --> 02:53:55,639
But like, is there if it's not New Orleans, is

3785
02:53:55,680 --> 02:53:58,520
there a team out there that has a contract just

3786
02:53:58,559 --> 02:54:02,879
the classic Like here's just a garbage thirty million this

3787
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:06,319
year and next or whatever, and we're attaching picks to it.

3788
02:54:06,360 --> 02:54:08,760
Is that even an option for Utah? Like I'm I'm

3789
02:54:08,799 --> 02:54:09,799
struggling with think of the.

3790
02:54:09,760 --> 02:54:12,239
Speaker 1: Team that has that Williams in Chicago.

3791
02:54:13,440 --> 02:54:16,159
Speaker 2: That's a lot of Patrick Williams talk. Uh, I think

3792
02:54:16,200 --> 02:54:19,319
even I mean, if that's it? The landscape has really

3793
02:54:19,399 --> 02:54:21,280
changed in the league because it used to be real

3794
02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:25,479
easy to find bad money that you could get picks with,

3795
02:54:25,680 --> 02:54:29,280
and that just this that just isn't a thing now?

3796
02:54:29,520 --> 02:54:30,479
Is that is that where we are?

3797
02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:34,840
Speaker 1: It mattered more when free agency was a thing and

3798
02:54:34,879 --> 02:54:37,719
free agency hasn't been a thing, And like what since

3799
02:54:37,799 --> 02:54:40,399
Kevin Durand and Kyrie Irving went to Brooklyn basically.

3800
02:54:40,040 --> 02:54:42,239
Speaker 2: Because you do it to clear money because you had

3801
02:54:42,280 --> 02:54:46,719
plans to go sign player X, right, And yeah, it's

3802
02:54:46,799 --> 02:54:48,520
it's a it's a rough time to be a dumping

3803
02:54:48,600 --> 02:54:51,120
ground because nobody's got anything that they're looking to dump

3804
02:54:51,120 --> 02:54:53,399
because nobody's able to sign anybody.

3805
02:54:53,319 --> 02:54:55,120
Speaker 1: Right, And like, I think the cost of it is

3806
02:54:55,200 --> 02:54:57,120
just lowered, like we kind of like with Detroit and

3807
02:54:57,120 --> 02:54:59,360
tim hardawags, like, oh, they got three seconds and still

3808
02:54:59,399 --> 02:55:02,239
had to give up some stuff there. So maybe there's

3809
02:55:02,239 --> 02:55:04,840
a team like maybe Philly, Like I don't think they're

3810
02:55:04,840 --> 02:55:06,520
gonna give you a first, but like if Philly's looking

3811
02:55:06,479 --> 02:55:10,000
at duct attacks, would you help them like kJ Martin

3812
02:55:10,000 --> 02:55:12,319
and who would you take Andre Drummond and kJ Martin

3813
02:55:12,360 --> 02:55:16,639
and send back you know what Drew Eubanks are sending

3814
02:55:16,680 --> 02:55:18,440
him to it, like you could facilitate it that way,

3815
02:55:18,440 --> 02:55:21,559
and maybe like that's something they should absolutely consider as.

3816
02:55:21,520 --> 02:55:25,600
Speaker 2: Utah, Yeah, I agree. I just there's no more, there's

3817
02:55:25,600 --> 02:55:27,920
no more like, oh, you're getting a real first to

3818
02:55:28,040 --> 02:55:31,319
take on twenty five million or thirty million of bad money.

3819
02:55:31,360 --> 02:55:33,040
That's just which is bummer. I mean, like that's what

3820
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:36,639
they should be doing. We gotta, I gotta just change

3821
02:55:36,680 --> 02:55:39,799
my my normal course of business for talking about teams

3822
02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:41,079
like this, because that's just what the.

3823
02:55:41,159 --> 02:55:44,079
Speaker 1: Warriors would give twenty five first to get off Dre or.

3824
02:55:44,159 --> 02:55:48,000
Speaker 2: That can we move off Andrew Wiggins Andreamnngreen and just

3825
02:55:48,559 --> 02:55:50,280
well the Warriors are free agent destination.

3826
02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:53,040
Speaker 1: So you know what's also challenging is like if that

3827
02:55:53,120 --> 02:55:56,319
stuff happens, not that it tends to happen. I mean

3828
02:55:56,319 --> 02:55:58,399
you'd want expiring contracts, but like a lot of these

3829
02:55:58,399 --> 02:56:00,600
teams are also what I think is changed. We have

3830
02:56:00,680 --> 02:56:02,879
fourteen teams in the luxury tax right now, so they're

3831
02:56:02,879 --> 02:56:05,360
looking to save money now, and that's just so much

3832
02:56:05,360 --> 02:56:08,319
harder to do mid season when there's you have some

3833
02:56:08,399 --> 02:56:11,280
teams with exceptions, and like Utah is so flexible beneath

3834
02:56:11,280 --> 02:56:13,840
the tax, but you sti't need to make the math work,

3835
02:56:14,399 --> 02:56:16,239
and that's what becomes a challenge as well.

3836
02:56:16,680 --> 02:56:20,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get any uh any podcast ruining notifications

3837
02:56:21,079 --> 02:56:22,639
during our nearly three hour record.

3838
02:56:22,920 --> 02:56:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually was gonna ask you if you were

3839
02:56:24,319 --> 02:56:26,559
ready to talk about this Jimmy Butler trade.

3840
02:56:27,159 --> 02:56:28,319
Speaker 2: Let's stop grant.

3841
02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:31,319
Speaker 1: We did it in under three hours. Another brief podcast

3842
02:56:31,360 --> 02:56:33,520
from Hardwood Knocks. Are you ready to take us out

3843
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:33,760
of here?

3844
02:56:34,079 --> 02:56:35,680
Speaker 2: That's what happens when you do an hour on the

3845
02:56:35,799 --> 02:56:38,440
Kings and Spurs. Got to hit those big markets. Uh,

3846
02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:42,520
you know, good job by us, Thanks everybody.

3847
02:56:42,680 --> 02:56:45,440
Speaker 1: What did we pitch to Utah? Like, let's go who

3848
02:56:45,440 --> 02:56:47,319
we're setting to Utah?

3849
02:56:47,399 --> 02:56:49,440
Speaker 2: Did Jimmy Butler? I think Kobe White.

3850
02:56:49,239 --> 02:56:50,600
Speaker 1: Like code we're trying to get. We're trying to get

3851
02:56:50,600 --> 02:56:52,559
you try to get Kobe White. Yeah, you're welcome for

3852
02:56:52,600 --> 02:56:53,239
that type of hash.

3853
02:56:53,319 --> 02:56:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had we had to.

3854
02:56:54,680 --> 02:56:57,200
Speaker 1: We got to be said they need wings and proceeded

3855
02:56:57,239 --> 02:56:58,959
to name a bunch of guards.

3856
02:57:00,200 --> 02:57:03,319
Speaker 2: And then talk about the macro issues facing NBA teams

3857
02:57:03,319 --> 02:57:05,000
that have bad salary and what to do with it.

3858
02:57:05,719 --> 02:57:08,280
That's definitely enough, I think out of both of us.

3859
02:57:09,120 --> 02:57:11,200
Thank you for listening, Thank you for watching. If you're

3860
02:57:11,280 --> 02:57:13,440
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02:57:16,479 --> 02:57:18,680
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3865
02:57:24,879 --> 02:57:29,639
that's going to do it. Marathon Western Conference Trade Primer

3866
02:57:30,159 --> 02:57:33,200
had to do it, shouts franklinly King. Apologies, Jared Allen