Speaker 1: Before we begin, I want to take a moment to
talk about the fact that within this recording I talk
about the historic gnostic heresy within the Church and how
church fathers fought against it in the arguments they made.
And I don't want anyone to think that because I
brought up Protestant churches that don't believe in transubstantiation, that
I'm saying that anyone denies that who doesn't believe in
transubstantiation doesn't believe Jesus came in the flesh. Okay, it's
really important to me not to cause divisions, even if
I take a little jab here and there. Believe it's
playful because it is. I'm only mean when people are
mean to me, So yeah, that's it. I just don't
want anybody to take it the wrong way, because listening back,
I think it could be taken in a bad way.
So I know that my intentions are almost always to
educate and not to insult. Thank you, enjoy I don't
know if that's the word for this. I want to
welcome everyone back to the Pegingana Show, to returning guests,
and it was a second episode we've all done together.
So Filos, what's happening. How are you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing very well, Pete.
Speaker 3: Stormy always a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, we picked, ah, we picked a topic.
And this topic was picked like two weeks ago or
even even longer. I don't even remember, because Stormy couldn't
talk for a while. And then Filos was busy and
YadA YadA and yeah, and then today we sitting around
this morning and find out that, yeah, another demon jumps
out and does demon shit. So anybody want to jump
in on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So today, dear listener, a trans man, a demon
possessed man, shot up a Catholic school, particularly the mass.
All of the children were at mass, and I believe,
as it is right now, it's two dead and fourteen injured.
So thank god, it could have been way way worse
considering how this fucking mutant was armed. But I've been
poking around what little is available that hasn't been scrubbed.
So like they did the usual scrubbing, right, like social
media channels whatever, but not like the unusual ones. So
apparently there is this thing called the skibbity farms, which
I guess is for the people that are too fucked
up for even Kiwi Farms, which is you know, it's
like a forum for freaks, and that was not deleted
because they probably didn't know about it. And also the
person had there was a lot of cyrillic writing in
the journal entroys and some of what was written on
the firearm. So some bright anons got the idea of
checking VK, which is Russian Facebook, and as sure as shit,
the shooter had an account there. So on the account
in Kiwi Farms or sorry not Kiwi farms, uh skibbity farms.
I looked at the profile page of this creature, and
I don't know if other people have caught it. I'm
sure some people have by now, but very displayed prominently.
But in the in the lower corner was a symbol
for nine to a order of nine angels, and that's
proper Satanism. Shit. So yeah, that's where I'm as so
far with it, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Would you look into it at all? Filos the pictures
floating around on Twitter, the notebooks, and I talked about
this privately with Stormy. Sometimes when you run into this stuff,
you just don't look any further. I'm very glad I
went to confession today. I did not want to start
digging into this one before the stream. I think there's
just I can understand the demon possession element of it.
I'm an orthodox Christian, and I think I think what
I really want to impress upon people just as they
look at this news story, is there's no material cause
for this. There's not even in a broad sense, some
kind of psychological disordering. This is not an individual that has,
you know, some kind of diagnosis you can fix with
a pill. There's something much much deeper and darker here.
I wrote a few presuppositions for the stream. I think
that might be relevant here. But if there's any other
points you want to talk about with this specifics, there.
Speaker 3: Is drugs that can affect this. And everyone talks about
how these school shooters are on SSRIs, like it's SSRIs
that are doing it, which is naive. But if anyone
types into their search box of choice as serotonin reuptake
inhibitors and look at what that family of drugs is
classified as, they will notice in PETE as soon as
I say this, you're, you know, run back, your neck's
kind of stand up. They are disassociatives. So what SSRIs
do in various degrees and ways place a person into
varying degrees of a disassociative state. The same type of
disassociative state that say, a person undergoing severe sexual abuse
would do. Disassociative states creates what's often called multiple personality
disorder or did disassociative identity disorder D being the important
word here. So we're basically a lot of these shooters that, yeah,
all happen to be on SSRIs. It's not the SSRIs
that are doing it, it's the disassociative state. A disassociative
state is similar to the state that you find in
lots of deep meditation. Right, You're disassociating your conscious mind
from your physical body, which opens the door for possession.
I can I mean, I can touch back on it later.
But there's dozens of different mechanisms in which this happens.
Some people will be familiar with, some people won't be.
But the specific type of drugs that a lot of
these fucking animals have in their system are exactly the
type of drugs. And if you think about how many
people in our country are on SSR, right, it should
give you pause. But yeah, certain types of hallucinogenic drugs,
deep meditative states. It's also what happens in an out
of body experience. So yeah, all these things are the
door was flung wide open. I don't know whether it
was before this motherfucker trooned out or after.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that you mentioned disassociation and SSR eyes
because up unto a certain point in history. Yeah, you know,
we've talked about how sexual trauma at a young age
is meant to cause dissociation, and it's interesting that you
mentioned that SSR eyes can do that because, I mean,
it still happens, and there are still widespread.
Speaker 2: Childbreape and but.
Speaker 1: Like Freud finding out that so many of his clients
were having sex with their children, it was it was
easier for people to get away with it, you know,
a long time ago. Now elites get away with it,
and it's easier. It's not easier, but elites are the
ones who can get away with it, probably the easiest.
So really, if you have trouble having a culture and
having a population that you can't that you're having trouble
to cause them to have disassociation order, than SSRs are
a really easy way to sneak it in so that
you don't have You know, now that you can't.
Speaker 3: You know, that's very interesting, is is the study behind SSRIs.
So at the time that they were prescribing SSRIs, when
they first rolled them out, they knew that these things
weren't effective. Like everybody remembers that, you know, Tom Cruise
jumping up and down in Oprah's couch, but forgets what
he was jumping up and down about. Tom Cruise came
out vocally against SSRIs, said they don't treat depression. They're dangerous,
they're dangerous, and they don't treat depression. And everyone thought
he was a fucking crazy person, because he is a
crazy person, frankly right. But ten years later he would
be vindicated because through a series of lawsuits, it came
out that the pharmaceudic companies knew that SSRIs were fifty
percent as effective in treating depression as thirty minutes of
exercise a day or one hour outside. I'm not joking.
Walking outside for an hour or thirty minutes of vigorous
exercise was two times more effective at treating depression in
both male and females. And they knew that at the
time that they started shoving prozac and zoloft, Paxel and
all the others down the throats of millions of Americans
who were dumb enough to tell their doctor, not their psychologists,
not their psychiatrists. I can't remember that. I always forget
the differences between the two, right, But regular general practitioners
were able to prescribe these SSRIs. So you just go
tell your GP you had a bad day, and that
motherfucker is going to try and put you on SSRIs
because a pharmaceutical rep gives his family free vacations when
he does. The reason I know this is because I
was unfortunate enough to be one of those kids for
a period about three weeks that was dumb enough to
tell that their doctor that they are feeling down, and
he prescribed me zolofts. And luckily enough for me, I
had a physical reaction, because I don't think I would
have been able to explain to an adult in compelling
enough terms the mental reaction. Right. So there's suicidal thoughts
and ideations that are a leading side effect, but also
so is swelling of the tongue and lips, which, thank
god for me, happened to me as well, because if
it wasn't for that, they probably would have tried to
urge me to continue taking it. But my second night
on these drugs, I'm lying in bed and all of
a sudden, I hear and everyone has an internal monologue.
They know what their inner voice sounds like. They know
even when they're like reading a book in like the
character's voice or whatever, that we all do. We know
that that, we know that, we are conscious that there
is no differentiation between that and our inner monologue. Right,
we know it's us. Basically, we can see ourselves in
the mirror. Even though we're doing a funny voice reading
a Harry Potter book to our kids or whatever. It
passes the mirror test. So when a voice that is
not your inner voice start speaking in your head, you
notice right away. And this deep, booming voice kept shouting,
kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself. And I was like,
I think I was sixteen or seventeen, so old enough
to have like a rifle that I think a shotgun
in my room. Pick up your gun, kill yourself, kill yourself.
And it terrified me, and I slept on the floor
that night, and then I never took them again. I
told my mom, like, hey, this was making my lips
and throat swell up. I can't take this anymore. I
told my doctor and he's like, well, let's try a
different one. I was like, no, I don't want to
try them anymore. And by that point in time, my
mom was convinced that I had had a bad enough
experience where I didn't want to And Pete, do you
know the only other time that I ever heard that
voice was remember when I told you what happened to
me after Nashville and while you sent me to the
monastery for good bread? Yeah, same voice.
Speaker 1: It's funny you get sent to that someone tells you,
hey that you know, there's this monastery you can go to,
and it just so happens that that's where you needed
to be at that exact moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for the listeners. I woke up the next
the morning after the Tennessee event, very staticky. I couldn't think,
like I couldn't finish a train of thought all of
a sudden, like right in the middle of it, like
this whatever crazy thought would come bursting in and basically
derail me. And I'm lying in bed and this goes
on for thirty minutes. I'm getting really frustrated because I
feel like a fucking retard. Like I can't get control
of my head. And I'm really good at that. So
I'm like, all right, I'm gonna start to pray and
start simple. I'm just saying that Lord's Prayer. I've said
the Lord's Prayer hundreds of thousands of times since I
was like five. I know the words, but all of
a sudden I didn't. I would get three or four
lines in and then pow, crazy thought person, and now
I don't remember the words. Where was I? And this
happened again and again and again and again for almost
an hour. All right, So I'm now lying in bed
for almost two hours, and at this point I'm freaking
out thinking that like that, I have a fucking stroke
like in my sleep. And I sit there and I'm like,
all right, I'm gonna do this word by word. And
I got all the way to the second to last
word and then pow, just a horrible image in my
head of some of a car crash. It was like
people hanging out the like the window of a rolled
over car, all mangled up and just completely fucked me up.
All right, and I'm like, I visit, I audibly said fuck,
and then I hear in my head the same voice,
the same voice that as I heard when I was
a kid, laughing hysterically, just laughing and to the point
where it was like booming in my ears almost. He
was having such a good time. And I shot up
in bed and I was like, you motherfucker. I wasn't
even thinking. I screamed at so loud. I woke up.
The person's in the room with me, and they're like,
what's wrong, what's going on? I was like nothing, nothing,
And I called Pete. Fifteen minutes later. I was like, hey,
there's supposed to be a cathedral in this freaking city,
but it's closed, you know, on a Wednesday, which is stupid,
Like I need to go to a church immediately. And
then Pete, in a very calm voice for waking him
up at six o'clock in the morning, or at seven
o'clock in the morning, whatever it was, he goes, do
you like bread? Answer is yes? And I drove four
hours to a monastery and anyways, not being able to
think the whole way long story short, by the time
the church bells rang at that monastery, I could think again.
I had immediate recall, just like I was perfectly normal,
and it felt like somebody took one hundred pounds backpack
off of me. So it doesn't always have to be
like the movies. Oppression is not possession. These are different things, right.
You don't have to see a possessed person. You don't
have to be possessed for these things to to try
and hurt you carve out a piece of flesh. To them,
it's all about having agency. They live in a world
where they can see the world of things, the world
of matter, and they have no ability to act on it. Right,
So they're all thought and no ability to execute, no agency.
They can think whatever they want to think. They can,
you know, labor a thousand years, and none of it
will ever have an effect in the material world. They
can affect causality and chance this way or that way,
but that's different. They cannot exert any agency in the
real world where we are. So to them, the height
of all forbidden pleasures is to extract that agency through
us some of its possession. Picking you up and driving
you around like a moped, yes, but shoving you this
way or that, being able to impede you in very
important ways at very specific times. This also allows them agency.
So you may have an experience with one of these
things that is just in your head, and if you're
not cognizant of that, you'll think you're going crazy and
then you'll end up on SSRIs. But all I all
I needed was a quick splash of holy water and
an hour of prayer. So like, being able to differentiate
these things is important. Sorry, that was a really long monologue. There.
Speaker 2: There's two things that come to mind here.
Speaker 3: Also, they have amazing jelly by the way.
Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to mind is, I don't
know the science behind this, but how many studies have
actually been done comparing the realistic ingestion of either multiple
SSRIs but also combined with alcohol or other mood all
terrain drugs. I mean, it's very off and pharmaceutical drugs
are tested with the control and with this single drug.
But as anyone knows, no one pretty much no one,
just as one SSRI. There's a vast majority of the
young population under forty. I couldn't give you the exact statistic,
but it's over fifty percent of people under forty years
old or on some form of SSRIs.
Speaker 3: It's more than that. Bro. The one thing about dating,
like you know, being a zoomer girl magnet is you
get to learn a little bit A girl I saw recently,
twenty six years old, her and every girl she knows,
so like all of the girls she was friends with
in high school in college, every single one is on
not just SSRIs but an additional mood stabilizer or antipsychotic,
every single one. I don't think it's the same with boys,
but with women, I would say it's like eighty percent
with young women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't have a word for it other
than terrifying. I mean, I have immense gratitude that I
was never on any kind of SSRI grown up, and
I think as I approach my older age duringing thirty
and I've started working out a ton, I really do
agree with your prior statement that physical exercise and getting
out in nature it has a meditative effect. There's a
reason why Nietzsche would walk for eight hours at a whack,
and that many monastics they're hiking all over Mount Athos,
and the physical labor that's involved in a monastery. You're
not sitting in a library only reading. You have an
immense number of duties that are defined to you by
an habbit, and you have to carry out over time,
and so it's nott sedentary prayer. Even in Orthodoxy, you're
standing the entire time you're doing prostrations. There, there's a
mindfulness to the nature of how you can combat this.
I think it's I mean, there's so many different factors
that I'm honestly surprised this sort of violent activity doesn't
happen more often. Where people will take tons of pails
and they'll drink a lot and smoke a lot of weed.
They'll depress their central nervous system, and then they'll take
a bunch of serotonin altering drugs and then they won't move.
And so your mind is just this connective machine. It's
more powerful than the most powerful computer, and you're just
kind of setting it loose and agitating it, and it's
really just terrifying.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: The other thing that I drew out from kind of
your story was the power of church bells. And I'm
going to sound a little skits. This whole stream is
going to be schitzo for those wondering. I was thinking
about it when I was reading into the invention of
church bells, because there's a lot of divine math behind
music and harmonic frequencies between sounds.
Speaker 3: Wire bells at the door of every monastery, every church,
every Catholic church, I'm assuming maybe the same with Orthodoxy,
every convent. They're little door little bells, usually three or
four of them. They're right by the door. You ring
them as you come in. They're called sanctuary bells, and
they'll usually have an image in you know, whatever metal
it's made out of, usually brass, and the frame and
structure will be you know, sometimes iron or brass, and
in the iron or brass, there'll usually be a depiction
of an angel standing atop a demon or a serpent
with a spear. Right, So, yeah, they hate bells. There's
a there's a there's an al chemical like hermetic maxim
about the about sound. Right when it comes to truth,
there's a lot of like, there's a lot of overlap
between the two in many ways. I know that will
upset a lot of people. Between between religious dogma, particularly
Christian dogma, and hermetic axioms or hermetic proofs. When I
say proofs, I mean her Meticism isn't a spiritual belief system.
It's not a really legion. It's more a philosophical toolkit
for understanding the world around you, so some of it
overlaps quite nicely. I'm not supposed to say that, but
they always say that you can hear the sound of
the soul, can hear the sound of truth by its ring.
And this is where we get the saying something rings
true from because truth has a specific They believe that
the truth has a specific sound to it. Right, And
there's some inscriptions on these bells. I think I should
read you in the meantime, why I pull them up?
Go ahead, filo, Well.
Speaker 2: I guess you know. When looking at the history of
technology in the Middle Ages and late Antiquity, we find
and most of the earliest inventions were things like water mills,
or they were machines that were designed, usually with a
very limited mechanical advantage of like one to one or
one to two Pulley systems, things like that. But sometimes
the most advanced mechanisms behind things were also they're related
to religion. For example, I'm thinking of the I'm going
to script the name the Greek mechanism that was found
on that shipwreck that would chart out the constellations mechanically
through systems of gears, the Anchi strata mechanism. I believe,
but then also thinking about the nature of bells and music.
The earliest music was obviously entirely vocal, and it was polyphony.
It was focused on the harmony between different voices to
generate certain sounds what is pleasurable to the ear most.
All classic composers Bach and Mozart and Handle, they all
wrote church music. They all wrote liturgical music that was
designed to be played at holy days, and kings would
have their own court musicians to compose things. The Vatican
would have secret music that they would play at certain
certain occasions. And so the importance of sound and not
just like a sort of random whatever instrument to jam
or whatever that people would listen to. It was very
seldom in the ancient world that you would hear any
kind of music, And that kind of that brings me
to one of my kind of I have a bunch
of presuppositions laid out for this stream. One of them
is that I think Christianity is for the most part
centered upon unity the sacraments or the One Flesh, or
the brotherhood between Christians. It's also the unity of music,
the holistic part of it. Secularism is division, it's dissonance
it's noise, overlapping noise. It's people playing music on their
speakers on hikes, it's every you go to a gas
station and there's a TV on the pump that will
play an advertisement. I can't help but connect it with
the sort of overwhelming desire from very bad people that
want to entirely capture your attention and to steer you
away from any kind of spiritual or religious pursuit.
Speaker 3: I think, give me an intention.
Speaker 2: Intention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, So God is the way that blank and
the light, the truth, the truth. So this is what
many take to mean. I'm trying to find the inscription,
but it's basically like something in his truth, you will
find sanctuary something like that. On these sanct the spells.
There is something that has to do with how to
your point about music harmonies, and I guess you could
call it disharmony or cacophony. All right, Chris Langen, who
I urge everyone if they haven't checked out, already checked out.
Langan is a Christian. I think he's the weirdest type
of Christian I've ever encountered. Lang In is a is
a physicist. He's also the world's most highest iq man
that has tested. I think he's two something or other, right,
and he has this theory right, it's a unified theory.
So both you unify as quantum mechanics and classical Einsteinian mechanics, right,
And this is like the unified theory is like the
holy grail of science. It really is. It's called the
CTMU theory. And basically it's the only theory of only
unified theory or really any physical theory at a systems level,
Like you know, classical mechanics or quantum mechanics are both
system level theories, all right. They don't just explain a
specific action. They are generalized, right, so they explain everything
everywhere in that domain. And to unify these two things
is basically the thing that the greatest minds in theoretical
physics have dedicated their whole lives too, at least the
past one hundred years. And I've read all of the
ones worthwhile. String theory is not worthwhile and for anyone
that cares that's listening. And Langan is the only one
that I think has even come close, and I think
he's actually cracked it. But basically in his The reason
I bring this up is because there's something called the
the Schrodinger's principle in quantum mechanics, or also also called
the observer principle. Right, And that is you've all heard
Schrodinger's cat, Right, that's what's called the quantum uncertainty principle. Right.
But a quantum particle is actually a really interesting thing
because it does certain things when you're looking at it,
and then it does other things when you're not looking
at it. And I mean that quite literally. And even
if you're looking through a camera through like if you
are observing it or trying to measure it in any way, right,
if conscious intention is pointed at it, it behaves differently. Right. So,
if it's velocity is measurable, right, the second you measure
its velocity, so you are seeing it, you are observing it,
you are now unable to measure its vector what direction
it's going. And if you try and measure its vector,
you are no longer able to determine its velocity. It
fundamentally changes its ability to be perceived on whether someone
is trying to perceive it. And if you read Schrodinger,
I was lucky enough to get a hold of some
of Einstein and Schrodinger's correspondents. As a younger man with
I was able to be much more frivolous with my income.
And these guys talk about it not from a scientific level,
but from a actual consciousness level, right, Because if you
set a machine to observe it, none of these problems manifest.
It's only when a person and a conscious being tries
to measure it. And there'll be a million videos about
Neel the grass Tyson debunking my take on it. But
unlike Neil the grass Tyson, I possess fucking Schrodinger's actual
words to Einstein's, so he can get fucked. Sorry, I
need to work on my swearing. I've been told i'd
do it gratuitously, so it is something I'm going to
try and work on. Right. So, even from the beginning
of quantum mechanics, we knew that consciousness was fundamental to
how things operated. We didn't know why it was or
what exactly it does. But it's built into the framework
of our reality, right. It fundamentally is part of the
house we live in. Whether it's the roof, whether it's
the windows, the doors, we don't know, and if we
pull it out, whether the house falls down or not.
We don't know, but it's a part. We do know that,
and it's integral we do know that. So Langan was
the only person to basically unify the two fields of
physics and show where basically it's a unified physical theory
in which consciousness is fundamental. Right, And as he works
through this theory, it becomes undeniable that there is a
much larger consciousness, a single, a singular, unified, global consciousness.
And I mean global. I don't mean like on our planet.
I mean everywhere, in all places, at all times. Whether
it's a hundred million light years in one direction, that
consciousness is there. Whether it's one hundred million light years
in another direction, consciousness is there, whether it's one hundred
million years in the past, and either those spots, consciousness
is still there. There is this single consciousness, separate and
apart from us, that is everywhere. And in his words,
I've stolen this, and I may have quoted it without citation,
but he says, oh, and this consciousness is what structures
the rules. Right. If you say gravity accelerates a body
in space at X amount of miles per hour, if
the body is xcise, whatever that number is, is the
same everywhere, right, that body will fall at the same
speeded in Alpha Centurai as it will in your backyard. Right.
The number doesn't move right, So there is finite rules
that exist everywhere. Those rules never change, the values of
these forces never change, and n CTMU theory he basically
proves out how it is this unified, global, discrete consciousness that,
as it is existing, its existence takes all of these rules,
these values and fixes them in place. Right. So, if
I were to change the speed at which that you
know mass falls via gravity by let's say I don't
know ten percent or one percent, well, that scaled up
to the whole universe would have increased gravity enough to
collapse whole universe in on itself. Actually, if I change
the value of gravity point zero zero zero one in
one direction, the universe collapses in on itself immediately after
it's created. If I change it the other direction, there's
not enough gravity for sub atomic particles to come together
and form atoms, molecules, whatever, mass doesn't exist. So it
is these values being set exactly where they are on
a pinpoint that allows any of this to even take place. Us, dogs, cats,
your house, the planet, all of it, and it's this
singular consciousness that binds these things and fixes these things
in place so they can exist, which defines a logos
a truth. Right, it is this singular consciousness that sets
this truth. These values are affixed through it. And he
says God's logos is our geometry, his truth. Right, his
conscious mind is what affixes everything in our universe, or
it sets the values, determines what dimensions there are, what
we can go. The reason why we exist in three
dimensions is because God's truth. The reason we don't exist
in nine is the same. So God's logos is fundamentally
the binding agent that holds all reality together. And that's
why I say he's like the most interesting type of
Christian I come across, because the man has come to
God from first principles. So when we say that is
the truth, the Way, and the Light, we have a
lot more evidence to back that up than pretty much
anybody else does. And you can explain certain mechanisms, and
he basically defines mathematically the mechanisms in which evil exists
in right, it is a secondary consciousness. And I'll let
everybody go check out his work and he'll be happy.
Or hit him up on Twitter he'll be happy to
tell you all about it, considering the fucking raw deal
that academia was given him has given him, thanks Eric Weinstein.
And he describes evil as incoherence and chaos with malice, right,
So chaos incoherence has malice. Right. So when we say,
like the left has entropy, the left is entropy, it
is decoherence, but there is a malice behind it, a
singular malice. Anyways, So when we talk about harmonies, Philo
and you talk about the geometries of ballastings like that,
I think we may be getting way far afield here,
and I think that's un largely responsible for that is
like a guess, yeah, go on.
Speaker 1: Some some may ask at this point, like a dreams, well,
what what opens? What opens the door for for possession?
Now in Catholo says them. According to the exorcists who've written,
it's very simple. It's dabbling in the occult. And even
William Peter Bladdie and the exorcist William Peter bladdy very
very interesting man, was in the psych warfare division of
the Army and comes out comes out of that and
decides to write a trilogy telling the world that demons exist.
And they possess people. But if everybody remembers, if they've
seen the movie, if you haven't, stop what you're doing
and go watch Go watch The Exorsist. In nineteen seventy three,
Linda b Linda Blair's character Reagan had found a weisure
board and she started playing with it. And it's it's
as simple as that. Now you can get into definitions
of well, you know, I don't play what we've boards,
I don't do this, I don't do that. But what
do you practice that is? Or what are you reading
or what are you listening to? What are you doing
that is occultish? That does open up the door, you know.
So I just wanted to throw that out there because
one thing I learned from, you know, going to a
Baptist church for for years and then going to a
Protestant seminary, a conservative Protestant seminary, is they will tell
you spiritual warfare exists and to be you know, to
be worry of it. But they don't have the doctrine
that Apostolic churches do. The centuries and centuries and centuries
that the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. If you
ask somebody about the you know the spirit, the spirits
in the in the realms, and and they don't have
the kind of training and the kind of research that
has been done for centuries. You're not going to know
exactly what it is. It's like, sure, yeah, okay, but
how do I how do I avoid it? What do
I do? How do I recognize it? If I did
feel like myself or somebody close to me was suffering,
how would I deal with it? And you know, I
mean I understand people's attachment to their lineage, their confessional heritage, whatever,
But reading a Catholic or an Orthodox book on spiritual
warfare and possession, you're going I think the problem is
is I think a lot of people who read that,
even Protestants, don't believe it, even though these are people
who are experiencing it. You know, Sean Ryan just said
Dan Schneider, who's a PhD and for former military.
Speaker 3: He's a.
Speaker 1: Trained exorcist assistant. And I think it was four hours.
I think they did four hours with Sean Ryan. I mean,
just start there, you know, go find that episode and
then dive in. Not telling you you have to leave
your church, but I'm telling you, if you really want to,
if you really want to understand what this is, and
you believe that these entities exist, but you don't have
in your confessional heritage a coherent understanding or a systematic
explanation for it. Do search that out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all Christians, come to borrow our tools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there there are things about the about going
to Protestant churches that I like very much, and I
don't feel that it's a it's a threat, a threat
to who I am, where I came from, what my
family practiced.
Speaker 3: So we're on your point, Pete, real quick about how
prod see see this type of stuff. I agree with you.
I think a lot of them don't even believe this exists.
They believe that they are in like a one v
one fight and all that matters is them their conduct
and whether that gets them into paradise or not. Right,
So there's only two actors in the system, right, the
world that they exist in created by God and them
and their actions, and that's it. They don't quite see
it as a larger playing field with other, you know, agents,
and that opens up oneself not to possession. I know
very very very very good Christians that are prods that
have I have no doubt in my mind, will be
in paradise. But you could be like the best fighter
guy in the world, but that doesn't mean you're able
to actually fight in like a war where there are
pieces moving around, right, there are other types of things
besides other really good fighter guys, Like it is a
almost a symphony of terrible. There's a whole bunch of people,
like there's too many pieces on the game board to
see it as just all that matters is me and
my relationship with God. And I think that's something that
prods fall into a lot where a lot of the
older churches they find they flat out say like this
is we mankind exists in a state of spiritual warfare. Right,
there's a million enemies of God, a million spirits as
there are animals, flora, and fauna on the earth, and
they're right, they literally are just roaming around. And to
Pete's point about saying like he'd be a cult, is
one way that this happens. Remember that quantum particle, right,
it knows where your intention is, and whether your intention
is on it or not on it is going to
determine how it acts. This is much the same, right,
porn is as much of a doorway as occultism, because
what are you focusing your intention on? Oh, by the way, porn.
I mean there's dozens and dozens and dozens of studies
about how porn. Watching porn creates a disassociative state. Right,
One imagines themselves outside of their body and in the
position of the person that they are watching in pornography, right,
so they are imagining themselves, not themselves, but that per
to which they are watching. You know, that creates a
disassociative state. And what is your intention on? Where you
focus your intention matters? Right? Like these are this? I mean,
God didn't tell you what the rules were for his
own benefit.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, fhilove, Well, I think what I'd like to
do a lot of these notes that I've outlined are
a lot of these definitional and history primary sources for
Christianity and Judaism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about enemy action yea.
Speaker 2: So I guess I'll leave it up to you too.
My plan is to start with the Christian definition of
basically the human understanding of God or in a way
to make sense of it, and then to go into
like the Jewish corruption of it, because I think think
that helps ground the discussion and a little bit more
of you.
Speaker 3: Know, well, we've been discussing for like forty five minutes,
so we're not grounded by now, sure.
Speaker 2: I guess Saint Gregory of Nissa. He makes an argument
on why you shouldn't consider Jewish or Pagan theology seriously.
And when you look at a lot of modern religion
or the way that people approach religion, they don't really
know what they're praying to, they don't really know how
the divine works. And I think that just to like
get this out there, I think that the people's do.
In my mind, as an Orthodox Christian, there's one way
out of this mess, and that's prayer to Christ, and
that's being a Trinitarian Nicene Christian. Psalm thirty three six
by the word of the Lord, where the heavens established
and all their power by the spirit of His mouth.
And one interesting thing that I've done is I've looked
at that, and I've looked at the Hebrew translation, and
I've looked at the Greek septuagen translation of this. And
if you take this to be literal, that word and
breath in the human sense, or these powerless things, what
it means if you're taking everything from a human centric perspective,
if you're approaching religion from a purely materialist angle, these
concepts of word and breath just have no power. Our
words and our breath are inoperative and ineffective without subsistence.
The capital W word in Christianity and the capital B
breath are divine. A word has essential being, and a spirit,
the Holy Spirit, has subsistence. This is the first major
example he picks out of how to define the Trinity,
the Godhead. And so you have to look at these
objections to what God is. Jew and Greek they might
not necessarily even contest the existence of God's word and spirit.
The Greek might say, due to Platonism that they'll rely
on their innate ideas, and the Jew will quote a
bunch of scripture at you. But what the two of
them do is they equally reject the plan by which
God's Word becomes man. And they'll say that, And I've
found this over and over and over again, because I
looked at a ton of Jewish post exilic writings like
the mid Rush and the Mishnah. They just plainly look
at attributes of God and say that they aren't God.
They isolate it to something different. And I think I
could inform this more of the background with the Hellenism,
but I can get into that when I talk about Judaism.
I wanted to like run Christian mysticism by you storm
Ag just to you know.
Speaker 3: Well, real quick, what did the Jews seem to be
well aware that words spoken right, so words with breath
have spirit? Would that be correct? Yeah, they care very
much about what words are spoken out loud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shamap, the whole section on Judaism, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I think we should get into that a little bit
because I don't think that the dear listener, like they've
heard us on the timeline and you know whatever say
like this is evil. You know, their aspects of Judaism
is evil. But I bet you they've like nobody's actually
come out outside of what they've done and their actions,
you know, against Christianity and against Christ himself. I don't
think there's a lot that people know about the just
day to day practicings of that religion are evil and
what is happening, you know, is not what you think
is happening, and in fact is not even what most
Jews think is happening, but something else is happening entirely.
Would you agree in my assessment that Judaism as it's practiced,
not like the Reformed, which is basically just nonsense made
up by rabbis to keep the ethnic solidarity going right,
But the actual practice, spiritual practice is more akin to
black magic than it is anything else.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I can prove that with sources.
Speaker 3: Go on.
Speaker 2: Okay, So again for the listener who may not have
caught me, I've been on Beach Show before. Before I
was an Orthodox Christian, I was a Jew. So between
that and living over in Israel and reading and speaking Hebrew, like,
I've verified all this. This is not me pulling it
out of my ass or something I found on the
Hubbad website. Let's see, where's a good part to start.
Speaker 3: Out with this.
Speaker 2: Let's just start with the prayers, right, So most people
have no idea how Jewish prayer service works. What happens
in Christianity when you go to a church. Christ is
the bridegroom and the church is the bride. That's John
three twenty nine, that's Mark two nineteen, and that's Ephesians
five twenty two. And if you would throw out the
Dennis Preger definition of Judeo Christianity.
Speaker 3: You please, you know.
Speaker 2: That has to go immediately out the window. Jews do
not believe in that. There, it's more than just having
a Christ shaped here.
Speaker 3: Let me just let me just run through what they
actually believe. Right, So, pre Larionic and lionic Kabbalistic Judaism,
this is where Shabbad shit like this comes from. I
remember you asked me once like what these Shabbad guys
are actually up up to? Right? So here we go.
It's three. It has three ideological nodes that can be
shown why Gentiles can either be simultaneously authors, hostage or
collaborators in tikun from tikan Olam without collapsing the status
of Israel as the chosen people. So in pre Larionic
there are two tier structures, right, One the Jews do
not have the spark themselves. Another version of it, so
lurionic the spark. Oh yeah, this is the other thing
is God, the Creator was broken up into a million
billion pieces and spread and hidden all over the place
in little sparks. I'm not joking at all. Right, all
humanity carries these sparks and they're scattered by another spirit
shiver at Colem right, and chosenness is not a racial essence.
This is pre lurionic, but a contractual agency. The Jewish
soul is equipped with a teacum license. I guess you
could call it a divine power of attorney to extract
and elevate its assigned fragments. Right, so they're on spark
scavenger hunts. Gentiles possess the sparks, but not the some sparks,
but not the license right to start putting them together
or extracting them from other places that they may be hidden. Hence,
a gentile can be an author of teakan healing only
when acting through or after a Jewish activation. So to speak,
I'm para, I'm using some metaphor, right, but then there
is the lurionic so Jewish, so this would be shabbad. Right,
So Jewish rabbis are a medium a spark location map. Right.
The jew himself is a Messianic code that identifies which
sparks are inside which non Jewish hosts. All right, Jews
use of the gentile object buying, singing, borrowing, whatever transmutes
his latent hidden spark in deliberated God energy. I can
go on but this is actually what they believe. If
you actually want to know what ju Judaism is actually about,
this is what it's about. I can. I can send
you the breakdown between lurionic and pre lurionic Cabbalism. But
you remember you asked me one time if I like
what those Shabbad guys are actually like on about, like
what they're up to. This is what they're up to.
Speaker 2: And I also found, like how far back.
Speaker 3: Now not very Christian, lots of jodeo, but I can't
do the Christian in this spark hunting.
Speaker 2: Well. I remember, like I explained a lot of the
medieval history to Pete, which I know pretty well. I know,
I knew very well back to like fifteen hundred or so,
But I before this retrsuing for this stream, I didn't
really take a look at the origins of a lot
of the other more ancient elements. I mean, because the
mindset in Judaism, like the formal doctrine that rabbis tell
Jews in the religion is it's an unbroken chain of
law passed down genetically from Moses on the mountain God
giving him the Torah, the law and the spark map. Yeah,
exactly and this existing unchanged unerring with the exact doctrines
through all time to the present and for all time
into the future. But there's some elements that disprove this.
Speaker 3: So and he would think that he would know that
that's a bold faced lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you're like a cultural Jew that doesn't
speak Heber, you wouldn't even it wouldn't even cross your map,
you wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the rabbi is literally giving you a sales
pitch full of not true shit to get you to
do a thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to elucidate, like how far back this goes?
Because you mentioned like the Prelariac Kabbala in the second
century BC. You have to understand the interpretado greca of
Judaism and the encounter between Judaism and Hellenism, because Judaism
is not this religion that's operating within isolation, just among itself.
The entire history of Judaism is Judaism and other groups
encountering each other. And it's completely false to say that
Jewish theology was unaffected by these other groups. So I'll
just I'll list a whole bunch of examples as quickly
as I can and stop me at any point in
the second century before Christ. Posidonius portrays the Jews not
as theologians, but as a collective group of philosophers. Hectadaeus
of abderrah Rot in the fourth century BC that there
was already an extant priests caste in the time of
the early Ptolemies that was practicing Egyptian magic. Theophostras states
that the Jews worship Heaven itself as the highest God
instead of a universal God, a true monotheism. Monotheism is
a modern concept Indica of Megasthenes, who was the ambassador
of the Celsiit Empire to India between three four and
two ninety two BC, He stated that the ancient Indian
Brahman culture reflects the same theological understanding of nature and
reality as the Syrian Jews. Clearchus of Soli, who is
a pupil to Aristotle, describes the total hellenization of language
and the soul of even the wisest and most upper
elements of the priests class of Jews. Both Clearchus and Posidonius,
one hundred and fifty years apart in writing, describe the
Jews as practicing a niromancy, which is the study of dreams. Celsus,
who writes in the second half of the second century AD,
describes the Jewish God as interchangeable as discussed between Jews
themselves with the Greek, Scythian, and Egyptian gods. That is
to say that Zeus and Zeus, Saba, Papaeus, or Ammun
can all be used interchangeably with the Jewish conception of Hashem. Additionally,
Jewish syncretism with other cultures existed in the Greek speaking
diaspora prior to christ. The Jewish pagan cults of Sambathion
in Thyatira, the Sabatistes in Secilia, the Sambatheki in the
Egyptian now Critics, and the Hypsistarians in the Bosphorus of
Age of Minor are all Judaeo Hellenized cults that are
operating within a priest caste and over time. Prior to
the establishment historically of the Pharisees, there was a crisis
within Judaism between about one seventy five BC and the
mid one sixties, which is where the more radical reformers,
i e. Certain elements of the priest caste attempted to
abolish the entire tour. So in reaction to this, the
historical reason that Judaism in the life of Christ when
it exists then as the Pharisees control Judea, is that
it is extremely rigid and dogmatic, and that is a
lot of the historical basis for why they decry Christ
and defame him and ultimately put him to death. And
you also have to consider that, especially in the Postexilic context,
God has both a Holy One male gendered form and
a Sharina presence for the female form within the same
universal concept of God. So there's a whole bunch of
other different items that go with this. But I was
wondering if you had anything to say on that before.
Speaker 3: I kind of assume this is why when the Orthodox
guys are praying against the wall it looks like they're
rocking back and forth. They're not rocking back in and forth.
They're actually humping because in the type of prayer that
they're doing, they are to be like the creator God,
not the spirit or force, right, not the basically having
intercourse with the female deity. So they are quite literally,
well they're literally trying to fuck the wall. Figuratively, they
are basically re enacting copulation between the male and female deities.
This they're not rocking back and forth, they are humping. Yep.
Speaker 2: The basis for this, I mean Stormy's right. So a
lot of things about Judaism are some sort of inversion
of Christianity. So in Christianity, Christ is the bridegroom in
the Church is his bride, right. Those passages are mentioned earlier. Well,
the opposite of that, in there's a prayer in Judaism
at the end, at the start of Shabbat called the
radd and the Shabbat bride. The Kalah is the divine
feminine the Shahina, which is ritually enacted brought into the
synagogue to join the Jewish people who are the groom.
This is spoken, This is a standard prayer. It's all
Jews in every synagogue on Shabbat on the planet, every
single one. And this is even especially. This is not
a biblical prayer. You can't find this anywhere in the Torah.
It's from the Midrash written in the second cent century
a d. Which I mean, I mean it's it's further
elaborated upon aristicism, right, and it's it's further influenced by
Rabbi Shimuel Idols who lived from the fifte mid fifteen
hundreds to the early sixteen hundreds. It's the same evidence
for this is given in the Priduschai adult, which is
a kabbala kabbal's text. And I have more like more
items from the Jewish prayer service to bring up for
people don't necessarily know.
Speaker 3: Well, so here's something that knowledge people may know, is
the Kabbala was originally Greek. You know, there's that study
of uh, there's much to do is made in Judaism
about goa mantria yep, and basically number magic that originally
comes from Pythagoreanism. Right, So the Kabbala spelt with a
Q not a K, is a Greek book of well,
it's a series of books that is both magical text
as in like we'll call it like magical backstory for
said texts, and then magical text is in like operational texts. Right,
So that is what the Greek Kabbala is. The Jewish
Kabbala is a hybrid and this is proven out here.
Let me let me see if I can find this
ours notoria, ours notoria. No where is it too many books?
Too many books. Here we go. This is the This
is the other bit that they don't tell you about
in Judaism. This is on doctor Stephen Skinner's translation of
a very very nasty bit of magical tech. Next called
the the Keys of Solomon. The names are interchangeable. What
matters is the ritual, right, So Keys of Solomon is
just the Jewish name for it that it's mostly remembered by.
But I mean this this was called the Seven Seals
in Greek. No Solomon attached, and a similar thing with
a certain Egyptian beity. Anyways, here we go, right, sources
of the Solomonic magical tradition. Topic has no no no
where we go. Yes, So for the benefit of those
readers have not read this one, this were three. The
Greco Egyptian Magical Papyri right is found to be the
original source. So that's called the PGM for short. Right. Oh,
the primary Egyptian nomina magica were dropped the bulk of
those taken by Jews in Alexandria. The methods such as
threatening one spiritual creature with another using phylactery or lament
or a floor circle for protection. Right, There are very
few methods that were introduced into the Kapala itself that
did not first originate three hundred years earlier in Egypt.
So most of the ritual magic in Judaism, which is
a lot of it, comes from the Greco Egyptian magic
pyri and particularly a much nastier version of it. Leave
it to Jews to kind of crank things up to
eleven right, called the Seven Keys of Solomon, which I
don't urge anyone to look into ever. But yeah, so
they basically, like you're talking about, they go around the world.
It's like they're going around the world picking up like
the naughtiest magic of each and every place and rolling
it all together. So it's not like they're polytheistic, which
they are. It's like they're, well, it's a word for
like not many gods, but all of them, Like, yeah,
we have tons of gods, which gods everyone we run into. Yeah,
pantheistic would technically work, but yeah, anyone can check out
Steven Skinner's work on the origins of the Kabbala, right,
he basically carved out which came from the Greek ah
So I couldn't find you, but yeah, so we talked
about which came from the Greek and which came from
the Egyptian and basically how it was how and what
it was turned into in the Jewish texts, but most
of the texts of the Kabbalah, which is many books.
I think the so Har has more books, but this
represents almost all of Like let's say Shabbad, right, Shabbat,
which is the largest growing sect of Judaism. Members like
Lex Wexner, who is the guy that brought Shabbad to
the US. Other illustrious members like Igor Kolamoyski of Ukraine
who in partnership with Lex Wexner set up all the
Shabbat schools around the country, and it's got such notable
members as Ben Shapiro and Jared Kushner are all Shabbotniks.
These guys are cobbylists. So these guys Mark Levin also
a Shabbotnik. Their whole understanding of faith, religion, Judaism, whatever, right,
what they practice in their day to day it's quite
literally Greco Egyptian dark magic. And it's not a joke.
Speaker 2: I could just pull stuff fred out of the mission
of Torah for you, Okay, So I mean people really
under I mean people just don't know like this was
the part.
Speaker 3: This was the original point of the stream. By the way, guys,
we just weren't. We weren't, and we weren't planning on
a demon possessed transvestite shooting up a bunch of kids.
M Uh go ahead.
Speaker 2: So one of the core prayers, and this is something
that was new to me, was that a vast majority
of prayers that are you know, inside Judaism, that you're
saying on a daily or weekly basis. You know, they
might be out of the Book of Deuteronomy or Exodus,
or they might be out of the Psalms. That's standard
for the course, but a lot of what actually exists
in the core of daily practice is a post exilic
So the perfect example for this is the ami Da.
And inside the Amida is also known as the Shimona esray,
and it was codified by Rabbi Gamaliel the second Vne
after the destruction of the Second Temple. So this is
what's called, as many other prayers are similarly called the
Mitzvad de Raabanan the commandments that are of rabbinic origin
rather than divine. Now why should you care about this, Well,
just speaking strictly metaphysically if you are a religious person,
if you are a Christian, everything comes from God and
is illuminated through for example, the Church Fathers. In Judaism,
a lot of these commandments are coming directly from rabbis.
And what is Christ say, I mean, put not your
trust in princes and sons of men whom there is
no salvation. It's a very very explicit reason for that.
But what is inside this Amidah prayer, Well, there's eighteen sections.
One of them is called the Aminim. It is the
curse on heretics, and it's repeated in the rabbinic liturgy
in Hebrew. And this is said everywhere across all synagogues
everywhere in the world, even reform ones. This is a
curse on Jews that apostasize to Christianity, meet and Christians themselves,
as well as the governance of the Christian world. So
in every synagogue that is prayed. Now they'll say that
the meaning of it is like diluted and that it
doesn't mean the same thing, But if you look at
the text of it, it's still occurs. The prayer itself
dates to the Jerusalem Talmud, and that predates the Babylonian
Talmud by about a century. The texts themselves are written
in Aramaic rather than some kind of more ancient Hebrew form.
But I also want to talk about a little bit
more about this Hellenistic corruption, because I think that Greco
Egyptian corruption of Judaism is what gives it a lot
of the magical attributes. It's kind of a framework for it,
and how this is all incorporated the most famous the
actual theology of Judaism, A lot of it stems from
my Monodes. That's Moshav and Maman. He wrote both the
Guide for the Perplexed as well as the Missionatah, right,
so he's the one that wrote a lot of these
texts that modern Judaism derives its core ideas from. And
anytime I reference the miss Naturah, it comes from this guy.
He lived in about the year eleven hundred. So you
have to think that this is this is well after
the Church fathers have written. So this is something that
very few people know, which is that Jewish metaphysics and
theology does not predate Christianity. It's a myth. It's after
the Church fathers are writing. Now that sounds insane, but
I'll prove it. So when moshab Inmiman writes The Guide
for the Perplex, its primary goal is to incorporate Aristotelianism
into Judaism. And this is already several hundred years after
Christianity grappled with Hellenism. It goes through Arianism, it goes
through Dunatism, it goes through Astorianism. The Church fathers are
defining the doctrine of the Trinity in order to refute
a lot of the helleness to influence that's going on
in the world around them, and to clarify what Christianity is.
But my Monodes is already running into items of theology,
the basics that are already refuted by Christianity that have
not really actually been considered by Judaism. A lot of
Judaism's theology is reactionary. What's an example of this. My
Monodies defines God in purely negative terms, that is, God
is defined by what he is not. This is a
core element of Neoplatonism, and it's known to Orthodox Christians
as apaphatic theology. So how do you define positive theology?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: What is catiphatic theology? It's opposite. Well, every time that
Judaism employs it. It borrows a lot of its understanding
from Church Fathers in Christianity. The cataphatic theology in Judaism
stems from Judah Halevi, bay Iban Pakuda, and Shumon ben
semach Deran. These people all state the Church fathers by
about a thousand years. Now, what's filling the majority of
theology between the Life of Christ and about one thousand CE.
If it's not this epiphatic or cataphatic theology, what is it? Well,
it's something called Mercava mysticism. What's the name of the
tank in Israel? What do they call the Rams tank?
It's called the exactly so Mercava mysticism. It primarily takes
a hold of Judaism between one hundred BCE to one
thousand CE, and it very I mean, if you look
at what this actually is, a lot of it fits
the Greco Egyptian mythology. What's an example of this, Well,
there's multiple animals that will be driving a chariot that
are half beast and half angel. We'll have a lion
and a ram, but it'll be half man and it
will be pulling God. These sort of crazy things. And
when my Monodesa is writing the Missionaturrah. What does he
say of this? What is the massei Milkava? He says
of it that it should never be expounded upon, even
to a single individual, unless he is wise and capable
of understanding. And this is where I want to bounce
some I guess I would even call it perhaps gnosticism.
But when I say this, and these are direct quotes
from the Hebrew translated into English, this will make you
laugh stormy. From my monetes, the pinnacle of knowing him
referring to God is to reach the stage where you
admit and believe that you are completely ignorant of the
truth of His glorious essence. You do not know God.
You are completely ignorant of God. It's almost like a
Buddhist understanding where you destroy the self. Further, another example
from the Missionnatarah. God is the know where the subject
of knowledge, and He is the knowledge itself. All is one.
There are four types of physical matter, fire, wind, water,
and earth. All four bodies of these do not possess
a soul, nor are a conscious or knowing. They are
like dead bodies. That's a direct translation from the Hebrew.
And further to this the Jewish astronomy and astrology is
uniquely distinct from both Hellenism and Christianity. What are some others.
Speaker 3: So basically you have like the creator God that got
turned into a bunch of sparks, right, but they still
believe that another god rules the earth, right, a lesser
and also often not nice one. Right, This is straight
up narsissism. It's not kind of like gnoscissism. It's not
a little bit gnostic. It is narcissism. Right. The world
is run by an evil monster deity, and the real God,
the guy that created everything, bits of his spirit is
broken up into many many, many many pieces and spread
about everywhere in all of us. And the physical body
is that you and habit is not real, and all
that is real is your consciousness and this spark. And
basically it is an escape to try and get out
from underneath this evil you know, temp agency god that
runs earth. So you could go be a just a
consciousness and reunite all the sparks. It's gnosticism, it is,
there is no difference. This is the same picture, right,
And which is funny because you said it's around like
what fourteen fifteen hundred, This gets like reinterpreted in turbocharge.
Speaker 2: No, this gets reinterpreted around the year one thousand, oh.
Speaker 3: When was a Gnosta heresy?
Speaker 1: Oh those second century, a second and third century. I
mean that was immediate, That was almost immediate.
Speaker 2: Yeah huh, Because the way I kind of see it
is that, I mean almost from the jump, Christianity is
having to intellectually combat the nature of all these different
Nosta heresies and cults and religions. It's up against the
Roman Empire, and so it intellectually devises all these different
elements to kind of distinguish itself. I mean, the early
Church history is just that it is, you know, whereas
Christianity is making itself unique from the cultures around it,
it is choosing a unique metaphor not really choosing God
through Christ, a unique metaphysics occurs. The Jews, on the
other hand, are just they're they're syncretist. They're combining all
these different elements from every other culture that they're running into.
Speaker 3: But for what purpose?
Speaker 2: Well that where that's where we can bring up some
real examples from.
Speaker 1: Before before we move on from narcissism. I just wanted
to I just wanted to throw this out there for
people who and I'm somebody who went to a church
where they gave you a piece of cracker and a
little cup of juice. The way the Gnostic heresy was
commonly argued in the late first century, I mean this
can this was late first century and kept going for
a couple of centuries was transubstantiation. If you deny that
Jesus came in the flesh, then you deny that the
bread becomes the flesh. That's exactly how that That's exactly
the main argument that was made by people like Stagnacious
of Antioch. So I just want to I just want
to throw that out there for people who were like.
Speaker 3: And you're quite literally denying the flesh, Yeah, yours. You're
denying the son. If you're denying the son, you deny
the Father.
Speaker 2: Yep. And I can actually also prove that as well.
So I guess, I guess I'm going to start with.
So I read Saint Chrisistom's discourses against Judaizing Christians, and
the ADL recently put out something saying that Saint Chrisistom
shouldn't be read and should be like removed from any
kind of Ye.
Speaker 3: That's how it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's like, oh cool, like thanks for
the reading list, but I own a copy of this
and I decided for myself what to read. And my
priest even told me, he's like, yeah, at the time,
I was a catechumen, and he said to me, like,
you might just want to don't take it personally what
they're saying here, But uh so I read these and
at the time time for context, Saint Chrisisdom is in
the third century near East, and he's in the Great
Church of the City. And at the time, Christianity and
jew Judaism are for lack of a better term, coexisting,
but it's not seamless. Judaism at this time was still proselytizing,
and that sounds kind of crazy. How is that possible?
The Jews that we know today are not proselytizing to
the goyame. Well, what people would do in this syncretic
world where Christianity is small and fledgling, if they're not Christian,
what are they doing? Well, they're trying to kind of
hedge their bets with a divine So what people will
do is in the three hundreds, they need like a
boon for something, they need luck, they have a event
that they're trying to get good fortune on, they would
try to cover their bases. They'd go to the church,
and they'd go to the synagogue, and they would try
to get the blessing from all the local religions, because
that's just if you don't understand theology and you want
as much luck as possible, why wouldn't you. And for
Saint Christistom, that is a gigantic sin, and for any Christian,
a gigantic sin. You don't confess multiple religions, you confess
Christ period. But Saint Chris system says a lot of
things about the Jews. He says in one of his homilies,
when so many blessings from heaven came into their hands,
they thrust them aside, and we're at great pains to
reject them. The mourning Sun of justice, that's sun of
justice arose for them, but they thrust aside its rays
and still sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness,
drew the light to ourselves and were freed from the
gloom of their error. They were branches of that holy root,
but those branches were broken from their childhood. They were
the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold,
and this will make your the hair stand up on
your next stormy. So the godlessness of the Jews and
the Pagans is on a par but the Jews practic
this a deceit, which is more dangerous. In their synagogue
stands an invisible altar of deceit, on which they sacrifice
not sheep and calves, but the souls of men. And
there's a separate item on the eve of Pasca in
honor around the year three hundred, he explicitly points out.
And people might not know this, the Jewish Passover and
the Christian Pasca Easter in English occurs on a very
close date, and even at that time, chronologically it occurred
at the very similar date. So of course chrisystem who's
trying to keep a separation between the Jews and Christians,
has to differentiate between Passover of the Jewish kind and
the Pasca Easter of the Christian kind. And he says
in his third discourse, do you not see that their
passover is the type? Well, our Pasca is the truth.
Look at the tremendous difference between them. The pass Over
of the Jews prevented bodily death, whereas the Pasca quelled
God's anger against the whole world. The Passover of Old
freed the Jews from Egypt. Well, the Pasca of Christ
has set us free from idolatry. The Passover drowned to
the Pharaoh, but the Pasca drowned the devil. After the
Passover came Palestine. But after the Pasca will come Heaven.
So there's a lot of metaphysical significance and the differences
between that holiday. So this is just another point that
there is not like a slight deviation between these religions.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, what does Paul say to the Galatians, right,
literally Paul's letter to the Galatians Galatians, this is like
early Christianity, what isn't But I can't remember if it
was in Greece or Rome the Galatians were, but basically
in hostile territory, early early early Church. And he's talking
about the Judaizing heresy. He speaks literally about circumcision, right,
because the christ the Jews see the young Christians and go, oh, yeah,
you're Christ. Yeah he was, he was one of our guys.
But you see, you're doing the the Christian stuff all right,
but you're missing all the super secret stuff, right, all
the secret you know, Hebrew stuff. So you got to
cut the tip of your cocks off like us. And
that's how you really really do the Christian stuff. You
got to be like Christ, right, Yeah, well he was
one of us. He had the secret cocksnip. The funny thing.
Speaker 2: Is that didn't they were done in the year that
didn't They didn't just stay in the ear like fifty eighty.
Speaker 3: The crazy part is that Paul basically says to them, right,
if you think you're going to go through the killers
of Christ to learn how to be a Christian, right,
or you know, basically through the king the kills of
Christ to get to the Kingdom, maybe it is best
that your talks were cut off. Like so, I mean that,
and this is coming from somebody who formerly was a Jew,
and he's telling Christians like you need to have nothing
to do.
Speaker 2: With this, right.
Speaker 3: If you look at the like it's right there in scripture.
You don't even need to know ancient history.
Speaker 2: I don't have the passages from the Talmud pulled up.
And if you just google a lot of our guy,
if you look up a lot of our guys on Twitter,
you'll see the Talmudic passages of how they view Christ
and treat Christ. But I didn't just want to go
with that, because that'd be a little bit of a softball.
I wanted to look later on. So I wanted to
look after this my money in philosophy. I wanted to
look after the year one thousand for how the Jews
would grapple with Christianity, because I think if you look
at the more ancient texts, it doesn't to just be gnosticism.
And I wanted to understand, outside of a very strict
Romanic understanding, how did the actual average Jewish person refute Christianity. Well,
the best source for a medieval Jewish attempt at refuting
Christianity is the Nisahnvitis. It's written I can't find the
author attribution, but essentially what happened was during and prior
to the Inquisition, a lot of Jews were genuinely converting
to Christianity. Obviously not all of them. There were a
lot of issues with this, That's why the Inquisition happened.
A big item is that these Jewish converts to Christianity,
the genuine ones, they would inform the Christian priests and
bishops about what the Jewish arguments were against Christ. So
this actually improved the Christian ability to dispute Judaism. And
so this text is actually the Jewish refutation against these
improved specific arguments. And there's a lot of quotes. Basically,
this text goes through the entire Old and New Testament
and tries to call out all the different trinitarian references
to Christ and tries to disprove a bunch of things
in the New Testament. And so what I'm going to say,
I mean, it's technically heresy, but it's you know, I
say this as a source. This is not my own words.
So much of the argumentation, So, like, why don't Jews
accept Christ? Well, in the modern world, people will tell
you that Christ it could be like a really bad,
blasphemous thing that I'm just not going to say. But
like the mildest form of criticism of Christ and Judaism
is that he was like a misunderstood rabbi. Basically, that
his followers just didn't really know what was going on,
and that Christ was actually preaching Judaism and that his
followers misunderstood him. That's like the absolute most charitable Jewish
interpretation of Christ's life and activities. But there's a bunch
of other crazy stuff. Much of the argument of the
Jewish attempt at refuting Christianity is the refusal to accept
the completeness of the Trinity. It just doesn't I really
see that. Judaism in the medieval texts does not understand
the thorough completeness and unity of the Trinity. Like there's
one passage in the text Vieira I love. It equates
the father son relationship between God the Father and Christ.
They equate that relationship to a human relationship. They don't
understand why Christ is what he would say, what he
would say. In vayashev Yakov they claim that Jesus was hanged,
So at multiple points in this text they don't actually
admit that Christ was crucified. They claim that Christ was
hanged in the El Shamot. They claim that Jesus knew
magic from Egypt and that he had spent two years there,
And they follow this up this will you like this
one stormy. The rabbis say that ten measures of magic
came down into the world from Egypt. Egypt took Egypt
took nine of these for itself and the rest of
the world took one. I just thought that was a
very eerie statement. The formal refutation of the So the
Christians argue that the Shamah prayer is actually an argument
for the trinity. If you look at the English text
of it. I'm not going to say it because it's heresy.
There is a trinity in this, It's Deuteronomy sixty four.
Their refutation of this is that Deuteronomy six five says
Lord your God, which is only two names, and therefore,
because the line after it has two names and the
first line has three, that the Shamah isn't actually a trinity.
You know. It's these kind of semantic bs word games,
and the argumentation against Christ just it just continues to
get worse and worse. And I say these so people
just have like a better understanding of how weak Jewish
counter arguments to Christianity are. Strangely, while criticizing baptism, So basically,
Jews say, in this text, what sort of sin and
impurity is removed by baptism. That's crazy even from a
Jewish perspective, because Jews have the Mikphah, which is a
ritual bath of water that they go into before Yom Kapor,
before repentance. So this is like a deliberate I mean,
they're just pretending not to misunderstand. Ye. Another thing, So yeah,
go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was going to pivot to demon worship in Judaism.
Speaker 2: I'll wrap it up in just a like another minute
or two. I'll just finish this out. And they so
Christ fasts for forty days and then they ask a
stupid question, what kind of God needs human food and drink?
So this isn't this doesn't even rise to the level
of like an Astorian heresy where they can comprehend like
a separation between the divine and human components of God.
It's it's just a it's a blatant understanding to like
a deliberately choosing not to understand that there's any kind
of divinity in here. It's like a kindergartener's argument against it, right,
you know. Another element, even in the language, they can't
differentiate between familial siblings and siblings in Christ. So they
look at Isaiah and they see that there are brothers
and sisters in Christ, and they say, well, you know,
Christ doesn't have any siblings. And then they also there's
like a chapter in the like I think it's fifty
two or fifty three where Christ has children, yeah them,
and then they they say, oh well, And Rabbi Tobias Singer,
even in the twenty first century, makes this argument, well,
Christ didn't have children, so how can you know that
that prophecy is false? Well, they're not literal children. And
even in the Hebrew relations between familial sylbey like you
can have a abstract sibling like a brotherhood or a sisterhood,
and you also can have like a god son or
a god child. You can have a non literal child
or sibling in Judaism. So further, like every single one
of Christ's miracles in the New Testament, they just minimize
all of them. They say some really sacrilegious stuff about
the mark account of Jesus' body and blood, and they
say they basically just they don't. They choose not to
understand it when they say that there's the Jesus. When
Christ encounters the Samaritan woman at the well Smarrian woman
at the well, the argument is, why does God need
to drink water? You know, it's just these stupid arguments,
over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't I wouldn't expect anything different.
Speaker 1: That that specifically is another Gnostic.
Speaker 3: Argument, exactly right, denying of the flesh yep. The Tablet
Magazine's August fourteenth, twenty twelve story the Talmud and its
Many Demons marriage everyone to read it. Chief among those demons,
most interestingly is Joseph, the founder of Israel, according to
the Tumut, is a demon. This is from my Jewish learning.
Joseph the Demon actually appears elsewhere in the Babylonian Talmud,
in Trassate Pissechum, where we encounter two of his teachings.
But we also have evidence of Joseph from a nontomatic
source of the same time period, a clay bowl ascribed
in Aramaic with incantations against danger and dangerous demons. They
differentiate on this one bowlt The scribes list a number
of powerful rabbis who historically fought against the threat of
dangerous de dems, and one of those listed is none
other than Rabbi Joseph the Demon. Joseph the Demon is
a rabbinic informant and teacher of the rabbis, or perhaps
even a rabbi himself. In their discussion of the laws
of sabant and the limits of it. Then these rabbis
are so confident in the amazing power and welcome of
the Rabbinic community that they assume that everyone in the world,
human and spirit would want to be a part of it.
Now that's a big tent exclamation point. Well, let's go
to also my Jewish learning study on demons dibbicks dybb UKs,
the thing that Lex Wexner, child rapists and Israeli intelligence
asset and also owner of Victoria's Secret says in his
nineteen eighty five interview with The York The New Yorker
lives in his head and put in his head when
he was very young by a rabbi, and it's the
dibbik that tells him to do things, and will suddenly
wake him up at night and urge him in certain
directions this way or the other. And it leads to
him making good business decisions and besting his rivals. And
he probably has to feed at children. But here we go.
As compared with other ancient Near Eastern texts in which
demons play a central role, the Bible is nearly silent
about the experience of sorry existence of supernatural beings, but
not the Talmut. The Talmut has a rich, sometimes vague demonology.
Houses of study, I guess the synagogues are described as
being full of demons, and when sexual energy is not
properly channeled, overflowing with demons. Great rabbis are able to
perceive the demons sitting on the right and left hand
of every person. They are able to harness the divine
creative energies of these demons to create animals which can
be consumed for food. And in the Talmudic words, in
the tematic world, spirits are everywhere. They haunt dark places, homes,
even the crumbs left on the dinner table. For example.
Consider the omnipresence and the omnivolence of demons described in
the Talmud. It has been taught Abba Benjamin says, if
the eye had the power to see them, no creature
could endure the demons. They are more numerous than we are,
and they surround us like the ridge around the field.
Everyone among us has thousands to his left and ten
thousands to his right. The crushing crowd lectures, I'm sorry,
the crushing crowd of the color lectures come from them.
Fatigue in the knees comes from them. Rarely does the
Tumatic literature go into detail about how exactly demons and
magical creatures come into being, or whether they are really
independent beings. Right, But there's reason to think that the
texts of the Brigod are not referring to metaphorical demons,
as it would go on to say, if one wants
to discover them, let him take sifted ash and sprinkle
it around his bed, and in the morning he will
see something like the footprints of a rooster. Unlike the Talmud,
Kabbalistic demonology is more detailed. Some demons are formed whenever
man improperly spills his seed. In sin.
Speaker 2: Poorno, also Onanism story of On from the Bible, yep,
the same Aba Binyamin, Sorry, you've already read this, he
says in a bell khout shishuh. In another Barieta, it
was taught that Abbamin says, if the eye was given
permission to see, no creature would be able to withstand
the abundance and ubiquity of the demons and continue to
live unaffected by them.
Speaker 3: Boy, isn't that the fucking truth? You know?
Speaker 2: And I mean okay, like real quick, hold on ahead.
Speaker 3: Other demons are as in the Christian myth rebellious angels, or,
in the case of Lilith, who appears Prime who appears
throughout the Talmud, primordial humans who were disobeyed in the
Divine plan. All right, hold on, where my photos. Here
we go. I have another lovely bit of Talmud to
read you. Where are you miss Lilith? Uh uh oh
the search real quick ha ha, But oh yeah, here's
another one. But you might find interesting a lovely passage.
We're talking about demons and Satan in particular. He says
nice things about him. Where it talks about how Satan
came And here we go the Bava Batra sixteen a
I Samuel won six pinnah upset with Hannah in order
to motivate her to pray. Rev Afabar Yakov taught this
in the Papiyana, and Satan came to kiss his feet
the rabbi in gratitude for speaking so positively about him.
That's odd, but yes, there is something to seeing them.
Once a man sees them, he is what did the
passage say?
Speaker 2: Oh ah, it was.
Speaker 3: Sarah that one at home.
Speaker 2: It was like he would basically be overwhelmed by all
of them.
Speaker 3: No, I think I said something else. Could you read it?
You find it? I can find it. It was uh yeah,
here we go.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here we are.
Speaker 3: If the.
Speaker 2: If the eye was given permission to see, no creature
would be able to withstand the abundance and ubiquity of
the demons and continue to live unaffected by them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the living unaffected by them is the fucking truth.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, like that. The word for demons is literally
harmful beings, anything that causes to kay, pain and deplete.
So I guess there's a.
Speaker 3: Few Chris Lang again, chaos thing is with evil incoherence.
Speaker 2: Like these are kind of stupid counterpoints, but I want
to bring them up because somebody will, I think, truly
think of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's ethoid somewhere like one.
Speaker 2: One such thing is well, the Jews knew about all
these things because they have such an ancient religion and
they're just documenting encounters with demons. You know, they have
access to the spiritual realm, but they're putting this information
out there to advise people not to do it. The argument,
like the former Jew in me would make the argument, uh,
you know, most of the Talmud is trying to get
people to stay away from demons?
Speaker 3: Is that true? No?
Speaker 2: But I mean I guess, I guess that's just what
would come into mind because like the preventative measures for this.
Speaker 3: I find it's not true.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's not true because Okay, like just objectively,
all the different rabbis and all the different eras are
encountering Hellenism, they're synchronizing syncretism.
Speaker 3: And Greco Egyptian magic.
Speaker 2: Right, They're incorporating all of these different elements into the religion.
There's not like a strict delineation like going back to
earlier like Christianity is actively looking at this stuff and
saying we're not going to do this. We're looking at
all this evil this around us we have that has
to stay out, has to say out. And yes, there
are like Christian Gnostic sects or whatever, but it's not
the main thrust of Christianity. It is the main, right
the reason did.
Speaker 3: You just said do you say I just saw the chat? Wait,
dibbucks mean soul possessors? Yeah, oh that's gnarlish. Yeah, So
lex Wexner has a soul possessor in there. That's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's actually I mean people.
Speaker 3: I guess that's what it costs to be a millionaire.
Speaker 2: If you look at stories this gosh, so if you
look at Jewish stories, if you look at Jewish stories
of Eastern Europe, Like, it's not like once in a
blue moon you'll find a year book. It's it's that
you're you're stepping them. You're stepping on them on the
way the trash, right, You're like in the kitchen and
they're all around you there. This is this very very
present form of things. I mean, it's uh, okay, like
there's this article. It's also from my Jewish learning. You know,
I'm learning a lot tonight. So okay, I'll just read
this to you. Uh. In a in a gibbook instance
or possession, one soul sticks to another. Perhaps the departed
soul sinister in the living person innocent. Conversely departed, the
departed soul may have been saintly but wronged by the living.
In this case, the possession by a book is essentially
punishment or revenge for an improper act or Apparently, possession
may also so happen at random. There's like people wrote
plays about this here in the Lurianic Kabbalah. There's also
sometimes the soul of a departed righteous person may impregnate
the soul of a living person. This is called an ibor.
It's usually a positive, not a negative. Sometimes a righteous
soul undergoes it so it can complete a task or
perform a mitzvah. Sometimes it does so for the benefit
of the host soul. Really, it is no different from
possion than a jibuk, but practically speaking their polar opposites.
In all of these cases, the ordinary processes of life
energy are being diverted for other positive or negative reasons,
and life energy, above all is powerful when put to
proper ends. The transmission of life energy by any means
of sex or supernatural activity is the godly act of
maintaining the cosmic flow. But anything that powerful can also
create great evil. Then it goes into the story of
the Golam, and you know, it's a whole nother freaking
I mean, most people know the Gola of Prague, but
that's another. Uh, It's like, well.
Speaker 3: Another one of these demons besides Lilith who I can
get into it at a later date, not tonight, is
h end or Witch. I don't know if you've ever
heard of it. No, it's a very evil old woman here.
I just saw it because there's a specific listener that
I think will be listening to this that really doesn't
like evil old women demons.
Speaker 2: I mean, does anyone?
Speaker 3: Hopefully No? No, So I hope I can find something
for him.
Speaker 2: And I have another like another like gay counterpoint. But
I just this is stuff that when I hear you
talk on other podcasts.
Speaker 3: Occurring in the heat Witch of Endor, occurring in the
Hebrew Bible, was con consulted by Saul to summon the
spirit of the prophet Samuel. She's a necromancer. Saul wished
to receive advice on defeating the Philistines in battle, after
prior attempts to consult God through sacrifices and sacred lots
and other means had failed. However, what was summoned, whether
the actual ghost of Samuel or a spirit in personing him.
The latter delivered a prophecy of doom against Saul and
his armies, who were defeated per the prophecy. So apparently, wait,
why does this person, why does this person? In my
Jewish learning, tell me why this person has this evil
which has a repeat presence in Judaism the eborb. There
are other possessions possibilities that may happen as well. A
soul may visit a person during sleep, bringing messages from
beyond our prophecies about the future, or it may haunt
a place, as in popular stories. Sometimes the soul of
a departed righteous person may impregnate the soul of a
living person. The process is the process is described by
Lurianic kabbala. That's the gnarly one with all the black
magics's well, they're both gross and heretical and should be burned.
But the Lurianic kabbala is what gave us our lovely
Shabbat friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to say a few more words
about that, because if people there might be a people
that are listening to this thinking like, well, okay, you're
looking at some like doctrine and this is medieval history
or whatever. When I lived in Israel, I actually met
one of these rabbis and what he did was really interesting.
One of my friends at the time was complaining about
evil spirits in the house. You know, just couldn't sleep
right and nothing was going right. His life was a mess,
and what the rabbi did was the rabbi came into
the house and you know, he made the friends sit
on like a very specific chair, and then he went
around the entire house rearranging all of the objects within
the house, Like all the furniture had to be moved
to different places, and all the little things that were
stacked everywhere had to all be like laid out a
very certain way. And there was you know, there's number
the count is involved. And also like there's certain things
that are said, like incantations, and this is not regarded
there as some like wo wo Madonna crystal magic crap,
like this is very serious stuff to the Krabbadniks.
Speaker 3: And also that probably sounds a lot like fung shwe,
who in Western culture is exactly what Filer has described,
dumb crystal bitches like Madonna whatever. In China, funng Shwe
is a type of magic, a very very very serious
magic that involves the summoning of removing of spirits and demons.
So yeah, there is another reference. We were talking about
mysticisms and demonologies of the East finding their way into Judaism.
I think that is a lovely place for one to look.
I bet you could mine a lot of information out
of there, because what you just described is identical to
the Chinese magic of fung shui, which unfortunately it's just
been the word has just been shot out by crystal
bitches and burning man faggots. But that is not how
the Chinese see it. It is very serious business.
Speaker 2: And you might also have a natural follow up question, listener,
which is how do these Jewish and Chinese cultures meet
in the ancient world? Well, the answer is the Silk Road.
Like those sources I brought up earlier, from Hecateus to
Theo Frustratus and Indica of Megasthenes, all of these different
ancient Greek rulers, they knew about India, They did trade
with India, they knew of these cultures. They were writing
with primary sources. The Greek world, in its trade routes
stretched all the way to India. And this is not
a one way street. I've been to an art museum,
an Asian art museum. I won't say which city, but
there is a Hellenized statue of Christ that they actually
found in India about two hundred years after the life
of Christ. And you might also ask, well, how the
heck do how can you prove that Jews got to
India there is pottery?
Speaker 3: Well, because the Indians are so fucking Jewish? Sorry, really are?
You know?
Speaker 2: Let's see here. I won't be able to you know,
I won't waste time googling it. But there's this little
handmade Chinese statue from about the year six hundred BC.
And it's a statue of a Jewish merchant with a
giant patch a pack of goods. And they found it
right smack dab in the middle of China. And so
Jews were going to China at this time. And actually,
if you look into what Jews consider lost tribes, this
is like some other whack lore. But there's supposedly, just
as there are lost tribes of Jews in Ethiopia, there
are lost tribes of Judaism within India as well as
within China. These are supposedly Jewish sects of people that
have continued their tradition since the Jewish merchants went there
along the Silk Road. And I think it's very apparent
that a lot of these primary source Hellenistic writers, they're
not just bouncing theology but between like a binary of
Christianity and Hellenism. Or pagan items. I mean, I think
that narrows the field to what it actually was. I
think it's quite apparent that there are further Eastern ideas
that are circulating among people people. I mean, if you
look at a map, the Babylonian world was further east
than people can imagine in their minds. I mean, this
was this broad world. And also that the climate was different,
that it existed in a time where the Middle East
was not as dry as it was today. It was
much more wet, which means, you know, it's a lot
easier to pass across these different areas. The geography was
quite different. So I guess I'm just kind of going.
But I mean, I think it's very important that people
get an understanding of like why this is like a problem.
Because another counter argument, and I don't even want to
dignify it by calling it account argument. People will just
say like, yeah, so what you know, I can go
to the bookstore and I can get to ro cards
and I can get all this other stuff, like I
can do a seance, I can get you know, I
can type AI stuff, I can whatever. I think. I mean,
my personal opinion here is as an Orthodox Christian, you
don't do any of it. There's no crystal stuff, there's
no touro stuff. Anything that you do it is explicitly
Christian or you don't touch it. And it's not because
of some superstition, and it's certainly not because of any
kind of ignorance of the evil of this. I think
this is actually an overfamiliarization of the evils of magic.
If you look at the Church Fathers, they're very, very
explicit in warning people about this stuff, and all of
this I think has like the same metaphysical origin point
of being. I don't know if this is the right
term for a stormy, but it's like a portal to evil.
I've seen a lot of articles to make it a
little bit more relevant to the modern day now. I've
seen a lot of articles of people that will start
thinking their profits because they type stuff to AI and
they'll kill themselves and there'll be all kinds of crazy
things that will happen. And I think you know one
point that you've set on your podcast with Astrol, which
is excellent, I recommend people listen to it, and I
don't Astro. If you're listening to this, I understand why
you wouldn't trust me like I think you almost no
one ever really meets a Jewish sincere Jewish convert to Christianity,
so I don't hold him against him. I think when
you look at the nature of this magic, you don't
have to do magic deliberately with evil in mind. It's
the mechanism. When you open yourself up to this stuff,
evil throw flows through it to you. You don't channel it.
I mean, this is another part that the rabbis talk
about over and over and over again. The reason you know,
you're setting up all these wars against all these different
demonic influences within Judaism, and some of it's crazy. Some
of it's like, don't take a piss between a palm
tree and the wall of your house if it's two
cubits wide, because you'll let the demons in. That's how legalistic.
A lot of the the quote stuff gets and looking
within the miss now like a vast majority of it
is mundane law, but a lot of it is these
just rules protecting people over and over and over and
over again. And they don't just do that just because
the priest caste is extremely aware of I'm not going
to say how to control evil, but they know how
it enters, and they know, they know exactly how it
spreads through people. And if you look at the Old Testament,
I mean there's a lot of smiting. There's a lot
of smiting going on. So kind of rambling a little
bit there, but I'm very you know I one thing
I really appreciate about Orthodox Christianity and other forms of
Christianity is you don't touch all this stuff. I mean,
even the like Satanic panic or the whole like don't
read Harry Potter, it's Satanism and people laugh at that stuff.
But then to bring it back to the start, look
at this tranny shooter from earlier today. This can't be
explained through some stupid materialist or purely psychological reason. This
is not just like a simple oh this person took pill,
they went a little nuts and they got angry at someone.
This is just it's an unleashed demon. You can't really
see it as any other way. And also if you
notice the thing, I mean, this just got me so mad.
The mayor of Minneapolis went on TV and said, don't
pray for the kids. Jewish mayor, you know that don't
even know the words for how angry it is. I
don't want to yell into my mic because it's not good.
Speaker 3: That's funny because one of the Krassenstein brothers happened to
say the exact same thing, don't pray. Prayer started this,
don't pray. Why are all the Jews suddenly on the
same page about how to respond to this? Hmm, that's
really weird. Brian Krastenstein says the exact same thing, and
I believe you said it right before. I think, I
just here, let me talk on my timeline.
Speaker 2: I mean, just to spell it out while you're finding it,
to make it very plain. There's not like a telegram
group where the Krassenstein brothers and the mayor of Minneapolis
are coordinating messaging to each other. There's no Emily's List here.
This is not like a centralized message that's being put out.
This is like an automatic reaction. And you really have
to think spiritually about where this reaction is coming from,
because it's.
Speaker 3: Not where it's there you go eleven hours ago. Praying
is the problem. You're not the solution. People use prayer
instead of action. If prayer has worked, a house of
prayer wouldn't have just gotten shot up. I bet you
wouldn't say that if that was a synagogue.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. It makes me dam well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, one of the one of the things we're
seeing is the immediate politicization of this.
Speaker 3: So the.
Speaker 1: Like Laura Lumer, of course, I mean just a complete
and utter psychopath, and you know somebody that please don't
let it if you have kids and she's around, hide them.
Speaker 3: Well, apparently you definitely shouldn't campaign for either.
Speaker 1: The Apparently the this shooter alleged I don't really believe
anything until you know someone I trust tells me is true,
had a whole bunch of anti Jewish stuff written out too.
And so the Jews are making this about them. Screw
the Christian yes, screw the Catholics that died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just happened to say. The shooter happened to
say two or three anti Semitic phrases before opening up. Apparently,
but yet kills a bunch of Christians, drives past the synagogue,
and this is all about Jewish politicians, house, drive past, literally,
Jewish community centers, drive past all of these places to
go shoot up Christians, but just happens to say something
anti Semitic before shooting. He literally has anti Christian suffering
on his rifle. That makes me super suspicious considering who
the guy's mom is.
Speaker 1: Well, and also the he drove Apparently he drove past
the Holocaust Museum too, oh Man, of which I assume
Minneapolis probably has considering how old the Jewish community. The
oldest Jewish daily newspaper in the United States was it
was in Minnesota. It was Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: At Minneapolis, they're having a real problem there with I mean,
it's basically like Jewish versus some political control. I mean
that the Democrats there are a vast majority of them
are Jewish.
Speaker 1: And they're columns.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this is this is like what happens.
I mean, Stormy, I told you the whole story of
like the Prague Golum and uh, you know, for people
that don't know, like I guess, okay, I bring up
all this like magic and Judaism and stuff, and people
are gonna be like, wow, I'm gonna go look at it,
and it sounds very trite and ass covering. But don't
look at this stuff like I became a Christian to
avoid all this stuff. You're looking at like real genuine evil.
This is not this is not like casual crystal magic.
I mean this stuff, I mean destroys souls. It'll take
your soul, you know. Don't listen to me, listen to
the saints on it. But anyway, so the goal the
Prog Golum story, so essentially this there's about to be
a pogram in Prague I think was the original lore.
And they built this gold amount of clay, these two rabbis,
and they have like all the rabbis and the golm
and everything, they all have like kabbalistic names. I mean,
if you look into the names of it, I'd have
to scroll back on our chat, but you can see
very obviously this is not like any any kind of
Torah derived theology. This is all cobbal And so they
build a gold out of clay. It's like easily ten
stories tall, and they sick it on the goy population
of Prog and it goes, supposedly in the Jewish law,
smites everyone who is going to harm the Jews. So
the mindset is the people that are out there that
are going to harm the Jews are like pure unsavable evil,
so it'll just go and kill them all. And then
lo and behold this evil entity. It keeps killing the
people that summoned this thing. The rabbi and the rabbi student,
they can't contain it. So eventually they're saying enough incantations
to bring this thing to heal. And they strike a
character of a word that's carved on its forehead to
change its definition, to remove the spirit from the clay.
And then as they do that, they cover it with
pages of the Sedors, the the Leam. Those are the
all the prayer books that are used in congregations. So
and they and then they store the thing in the
attic of the synagogue in case they need to get
it again sometime. But uh, God, when I just say,
when I spill it out, it's just so, you know,
I just don't quite know what to make of it.
It's so this is not like a godly thing that's
happening here. And when you're born and raised Jewish like
I was, you don't question it. There's not like, oh hey,
this is really weird. You know, what does this thing mean?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: You know, what is the role of non Jewish people?
You know, it's a whole separate topic. Christians are not
really viewed well, you know, but don't take my word
for it. You can check out the Uh there's a
Greek Orthodox abbot and she was on Tucker's show recently
explaining exactly how the Israelis were treating her, and so
you just have to like bear that in mind. You know,
the Christian Zionists take Judaism very seriously and very solemnly,
but they really have no concept of how it goes
the other way. So, uh, well, yeah, yeah, I think
we've been going run.
Speaker 3: I think that's a good place to put a plug
on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can. We can always return to
this because unfortunately, I think that things were only escalating
and every once in a while where we're going to need,
well often, we're going to to need reminders of you know,
what exactly is causing this.
Speaker 2: There's one final point I'll say, sure, which is, you know,
we've talked about all the magic stuff, We've talked about
all the Jewish stuff. Like, what can people do about it?
I mean, I hope you believe that at least someone
somewhere takes this of.
Speaker 3: What Crossen scenes says, pray or go on.
Speaker 2: You need to well exactly, you need to pray, you
need to go to church. I am sorry to people
that are listening. But you have to have faith in Christ.
I think from what I can tell.
Speaker 3: You can't make up your own god to be hot topic,
edgy contrarian guy.
Speaker 2: Christ is the only thing that can.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the only one that the It's yeah, exactly.
They all hate what a pagan's, Jews, demons, What do
they all have in common?
Speaker 2: They hate Christ? They hate Christians?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but why if you're a pagan and you got
the real thing or whatever that you just made up?
What does Christianity matter to you? If you're the chosen
people and God picked you personally, then what the fuck
do you care about Christians? For? If you're a demon,
you live forever outside of time and space, all right,
what do you care about? What faith? The little earthlings
right with their small temporal lives do with it? What
do you care if they're Christians or not? What do
you care if they're You didn't care whether they're Pagans,
You didn't care whether they're Jews. In fact, you really
like both of those. Why is Christ the single and
only common denominator between any of these completely separate and
diverse and you know, disperse things. Why is hating Christ
so fundamental to things that should have nothing to do
with one another. Why should a demon give a fuck
about what you pray to?
Speaker 2: Christ is the only thing that dispels evil period?
Speaker 3: What is evil? Chaos incoherence, entropy? What is it?
Speaker 1: If you want to if people want to know, Look,
the people who are practicing this stuff, they're pretty open
about it. Okay, if you just wear well you don't.
You may believe that they do this stuff just as
some kind of ritual and it doesn't mean anything. But
if anybody wants to see something that's pretty unexplainable, I'll
link to it in the show notes. Go to YouTube
top type Goddard. That's g ott h a r D
Tunnel opening ceremony, June first, twenty sixteen. Yeah, this is
the opening ceremony of the largest tunnel in I think
in the world. And just watch.
Speaker 3: Yep. They had a similar opening ceremony for Cern by
the way, Yeah, the large high drunk collider.
Speaker 1: But this one sane. Go on this one is it's
inexplicable other than it's just.
Speaker 3: It's just alarp bro playing around.
Speaker 1: Europe's ilites came to this tunnel and cheered on this
opening ceremony. Just go watch it Goddard Tunnel opening ceremony,
June first, twenty sixteen. They they're not hiding it.
Speaker 2: There's an article on it in the BBC with all
the pictures and it's just like it's just insane. It's
some crazy, insane shit.
Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, I'm going to say good night. Thank
you very much for joining me. I appreciate it it
Speaker 2: Now surely is a pleasure.