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Speaker 1: Before we begin, I want to take a moment to

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talk about the fact that within this recording I talk

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about the historic gnostic heresy within the Church and how

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church fathers fought against it in the arguments they made.

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And I don't want anyone to think that because I

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brought up Protestant churches that don't believe in transubstantiation, that

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I'm saying that anyone denies that who doesn't believe in

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transubstantiation doesn't believe Jesus came in the flesh. Okay, it's

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really important to me not to cause divisions, even if

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I take a little jab here and there. Believe it's

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playful because it is. I'm only mean when people are

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mean to me, So yeah, that's it. I just don't

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want anybody to take it the wrong way, because listening back,

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I think it could be taken in a bad way.

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So I know that my intentions are almost always to

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educate and not to insult. Thank you, enjoy I don't

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know if that's the word for this. I want to

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welcome everyone back to the Pegingana Show, to returning guests,

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and it was a second episode we've all done together.

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So Filos, what's happening. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very well, Pete.

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Speaker 3: Stormy always a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, we picked, ah, we picked a topic.

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And this topic was picked like two weeks ago or

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even even longer. I don't even remember, because Stormy couldn't

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talk for a while. And then Filos was busy and

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YadA YadA and yeah, and then today we sitting around

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this morning and find out that, yeah, another demon jumps

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out and does demon shit. So anybody want to jump

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in on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So today, dear listener, a trans man, a demon

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possessed man, shot up a Catholic school, particularly the mass.

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All of the children were at mass, and I believe,

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as it is right now, it's two dead and fourteen injured.

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So thank god, it could have been way way worse

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considering how this fucking mutant was armed. But I've been

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poking around what little is available that hasn't been scrubbed.

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So like they did the usual scrubbing, right, like social

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media channels whatever, but not like the unusual ones. So

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apparently there is this thing called the skibbity farms, which

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I guess is for the people that are too fucked

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up for even Kiwi Farms, which is you know, it's

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like a forum for freaks, and that was not deleted

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because they probably didn't know about it. And also the

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person had there was a lot of cyrillic writing in

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the journal entroys and some of what was written on

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the firearm. So some bright anons got the idea of

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checking VK, which is Russian Facebook, and as sure as shit,

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the shooter had an account there. So on the account

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in Kiwi Farms or sorry not Kiwi farms, uh skibbity farms.

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I looked at the profile page of this creature, and

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I don't know if other people have caught it. I'm

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sure some people have by now, but very displayed prominently.

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But in the in the lower corner was a symbol

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for nine to a order of nine angels, and that's

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proper Satanism. Shit. So yeah, that's where I'm as so

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far with it, mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Would you look into it at all? Filos the pictures

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floating around on Twitter, the notebooks, and I talked about

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this privately with Stormy. Sometimes when you run into this stuff,

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you just don't look any further. I'm very glad I

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went to confession today. I did not want to start

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digging into this one before the stream. I think there's

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just I can understand the demon possession element of it.

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I'm an orthodox Christian, and I think I think what

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I really want to impress upon people just as they

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look at this news story, is there's no material cause

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for this. There's not even in a broad sense, some

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kind of psychological disordering. This is not an individual that has,

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you know, some kind of diagnosis you can fix with

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a pill. There's something much much deeper and darker here.

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I wrote a few presuppositions for the stream. I think

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that might be relevant here. But if there's any other

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points you want to talk about with this specifics, there.

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Speaker 3: Is drugs that can affect this. And everyone talks about

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how these school shooters are on SSRIs, like it's SSRIs

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that are doing it, which is naive. But if anyone

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types into their search box of choice as serotonin reuptake

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inhibitors and look at what that family of drugs is

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classified as, they will notice in PETE as soon as

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I say this, you're, you know, run back, your neck's

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kind of stand up. They are disassociatives. So what SSRIs

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do in various degrees and ways place a person into

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varying degrees of a disassociative state. The same type of

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disassociative state that say, a person undergoing severe sexual abuse

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would do. Disassociative states creates what's often called multiple personality

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disorder or did disassociative identity disorder D being the important

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word here. So we're basically a lot of these shooters that, yeah,

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all happen to be on SSRIs. It's not the SSRIs

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that are doing it, it's the disassociative state. A disassociative

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state is similar to the state that you find in

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lots of deep meditation. Right, You're disassociating your conscious mind

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from your physical body, which opens the door for possession.

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these fucking animals have in their system are exactly the

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type of drugs. And if you think about how many

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people in our country are on SSR, right, it should

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give you pause. But yeah, certain types of hallucinogenic drugs,

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deep meditative states. It's also what happens in an out

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of body experience. So yeah, all these things are the

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door was flung wide open. I don't know whether it

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was before this motherfucker trooned out or after.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that you mentioned disassociation and SSR eyes

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is meant to cause dissociation, and it's interesting that you

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mentioned that SSR eyes can do that because, I mean,

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it still happens, and there are still widespread.

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Speaker 2: Childbreape and but.

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Speaker 1: Like Freud finding out that so many of his clients

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were having sex with their children, it was it was

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easier for people to get away with it, you know,

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a long time ago. Now elites get away with it,

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and it's easier. It's not easier, but elites are the

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ones who can get away with it, probably the easiest.

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having a population that you can't that you're having trouble

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to cause them to have disassociation order, than SSRs are

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a really easy way to sneak it in so that

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you don't have You know, now that you can't.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's very interesting, is is the study behind SSRIs.

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they first rolled them out, they knew that these things

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weren't effective. Like everybody remembers that, you know, Tom Cruise

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jumping up and down in Oprah's couch, but forgets what

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he was jumping up and down about. Tom Cruise came

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out vocally against SSRIs, said they don't treat depression. They're dangerous,

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they're dangerous, and they don't treat depression. And everyone thought

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he was a fucking crazy person, because he is a

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crazy person, frankly right. But ten years later he would

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be vindicated because through a series of lawsuits, it came

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out that the pharmaceudic companies knew that SSRIs were fifty

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percent as effective in treating depression as thirty minutes of

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exercise a day or one hour outside. I'm not joking.

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exercise was two times more effective at treating depression in

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both male and females. And they knew that at the

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time that they started shoving prozac and zoloft, Paxel and

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all the others down the throats of millions of Americans

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who were dumb enough to tell their doctor, not their psychologists,

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not their psychiatrists. I can't remember that. I always forget

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the differences between the two, right, But regular general practitioners

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were able to prescribe these SSRIs. So you just go

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tell your GP you had a bad day, and that

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motherfucker is going to try and put you on SSRIs

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because a pharmaceutical rep gives his family free vacations when

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he does. The reason I know this is because I

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was unfortunate enough to be one of those kids for

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a period about three weeks that was dumb enough to

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tell that their doctor that they are feeling down, and

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he prescribed me zolofts. And luckily enough for me, I

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had a physical reaction, because I don't think I would

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have been able to explain to an adult in compelling

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enough terms the mental reaction. Right. So there's suicidal thoughts

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and ideations that are a leading side effect, but also

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so is swelling of the tongue and lips, which, thank

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god for me, happened to me as well, because if

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it wasn't for that, they probably would have tried to

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urge me to continue taking it. But my second night

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on these drugs, I'm lying in bed and all of

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a sudden, I hear and everyone has an internal monologue.

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even when they're like reading a book in like the

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character's voice or whatever, that we all do. We know

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that that, we know that, we are conscious that there

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is no differentiation between that and our inner monologue. Right,

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we know it's us. Basically, we can see ourselves in

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the mirror. Even though we're doing a funny voice reading

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a Harry Potter book to our kids or whatever. It

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passes the mirror test. So when a voice that is

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not your inner voice start speaking in your head, you

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notice right away. And this deep, booming voice kept shouting,

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kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself. And I was like,

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to have like a rifle that I think a shotgun

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in my room. Pick up your gun, kill yourself, kill yourself.

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that night, and then I never took them again. I

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told my mom, like, hey, this was making my lips

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and throat swell up. I can't take this anymore. I

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told my doctor and he's like, well, let's try a

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different one. I was like, no, I don't want to

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try them anymore. And by that point in time, my

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mom was convinced that I had had a bad enough

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experience where I didn't want to And Pete, do you

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know the only other time that I ever heard that

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voice was remember when I told you what happened to

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me after Nashville and while you sent me to the

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monastery for good bread? Yeah, same voice.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you get sent to that someone tells you,

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hey that you know, there's this monastery you can go to,

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and it just so happens that that's where you needed

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a sudden, like right in the middle of it, like

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this whatever crazy thought would come bursting in and basically

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derail me. And I'm lying in bed and this goes

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on for thirty minutes. I'm getting really frustrated because I

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feel like a fucking retard. Like I can't get control

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of my head. And I'm really good at that. So

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start simple. I'm just saying that Lord's Prayer. I've said

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the Lord's Prayer hundreds of thousands of times since I

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was like five. I know the words, but all of

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a sudden I didn't. I would get three or four

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lines in and then pow, crazy thought person, and now

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I don't remember the words. Where was I? And this

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an hour. All right, So I'm now lying in bed

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for almost two hours, and at this point I'm freaking

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out thinking that like that, I have a fucking stroke

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like in my sleep. And I sit there and I'm like,

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all right, I'm gonna do this word by word. And

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I got all the way to the second to last

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word and then pow, just a horrible image in my

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head of some of a car crash. It was like

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people hanging out the like the window of a rolled

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over car, all mangled up and just completely fucked me up.

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All right, and I'm like, I visit, I audibly said fuck,

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and then I hear in my head the same voice,

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the same voice that as I heard when I was

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a kid, laughing hysterically, just laughing and to the point

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where it was like booming in my ears almost. He

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was having such a good time. And I shot up

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in bed and I was like, you motherfucker. I wasn't

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even thinking. I screamed at so loud. I woke up.

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The person's in the room with me, and they're like,

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what's wrong, what's going on? I was like nothing, nothing,

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there's supposed to be a cathedral in this freaking city,

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but it's closed, you know, on a Wednesday, which is stupid,

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then Pete, in a very calm voice for waking him

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up at six o'clock in the morning, or at seven

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o'clock in the morning, whatever it was, he goes, do

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you like bread? Answer is yes? And I drove four

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hours to a monastery and anyways, not being able to

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think the whole way long story short, by the time

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the church bells rang at that monastery, I could think again.

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I had immediate recall, just like I was perfectly normal,

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and it felt like somebody took one hundred pounds backpack

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off of me. So it doesn't always have to be

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like the movies. Oppression is not possession. These are different things, right.

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have to be possessed for these things to to try

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and hurt you carve out a piece of flesh. To them,

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it's all about having agency. They live in a world

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where they can see the world of things, the world

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of matter, and they have no ability to act on it. Right,

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So they're all thought and no ability to execute, no agency.

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They can think whatever they want to think. They can,

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you know, labor a thousand years, and none of it

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will ever have an effect in the material world. They

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can affect causality and chance this way or that way,

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but that's different. They cannot exert any agency in the

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real world where we are. So to them, the height

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of all forbidden pleasures is to extract that agency through

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us some of its possession. Picking you up and driving

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you around like a moped, yes, but shoving you this

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way or that, being able to impede you in very

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important ways at very specific times. This also allows them agency.

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things that is just in your head, and if you're

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not cognizant of that, you'll think you're going crazy and

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then you'll end up on SSRIs. But all I all

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I needed was a quick splash of holy water and

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an hour of prayer. So like, being able to differentiate

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these things is important. Sorry, that was a really long monologue. There.

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Speaker 2: There's two things that come to mind here.

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Speaker 3: Also, they have amazing jelly by the way.

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Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to mind is, I don't

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know the science behind this, but how many studies have

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actually been done comparing the realistic ingestion of either multiple

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SSRIs but also combined with alcohol or other mood all

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terrain drugs. I mean, it's very off and pharmaceutical drugs

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are tested with the control and with this single drug.

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But as anyone knows, no one pretty much no one,

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just as one SSRI. There's a vast majority of the

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young population under forty. I couldn't give you the exact statistic,

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but it's over fifty percent of people under forty years

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old or on some form of SSRIs.

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Speaker 3: It's more than that. Bro. The one thing about dating,

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like you know, being a zoomer girl magnet is you

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get to learn a little bit A girl I saw recently,

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twenty six years old, her and every girl she knows,

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so like all of the girls she was friends with

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in high school in college, every single one is on

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not just SSRIs but an additional mood stabilizer or antipsychotic,

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every single one. I don't think it's the same with boys,

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but with women, I would say it's like eighty percent

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with young women.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't have a word for it other

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than terrifying. I mean, I have immense gratitude that I

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was never on any kind of SSRI grown up, and

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I think as I approach my older age duringing thirty

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and I've started working out a ton, I really do

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agree with your prior statement that physical exercise and getting

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out in nature it has a meditative effect. There's a

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reason why Nietzsche would walk for eight hours at a whack,

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and that many monastics they're hiking all over Mount Athos,

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and the physical labor that's involved in a monastery. You're

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not sitting in a library only reading. You have an

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immense number of duties that are defined to you by

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an habbit, and you have to carry out over time,

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and so it's nott sedentary prayer. Even in Orthodoxy, you're

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standing the entire time you're doing prostrations. There, there's a

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mindfulness to the nature of how you can combat this.

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I think it's I mean, there's so many different factors

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that I'm honestly surprised this sort of violent activity doesn't

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happen more often. Where people will take tons of pails

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and they'll drink a lot and smoke a lot of weed.

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They'll depress their central nervous system, and then they'll take

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a bunch of serotonin altering drugs and then they won't move.

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And so your mind is just this connective machine. It's

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more powerful than the most powerful computer, and you're just

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kind of setting it loose and agitating it, and it's

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really just terrifying.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that I drew out from kind of

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your story was the power of church bells. And I'm

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going to sound a little skits. This whole stream is

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going to be schitzo for those wondering. I was thinking

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about it when I was reading into the invention of

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church bells, because there's a lot of divine math behind

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music and harmonic frequencies between sounds.

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Speaker 3: Wire bells at the door of every monastery, every church,

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every Catholic church, I'm assuming maybe the same with Orthodoxy,

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every convent. They're little door little bells, usually three or

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four of them. They're right by the door. You ring

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them as you come in. They're called sanctuary bells, and

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they'll usually have an image in you know, whatever metal

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it's made out of, usually brass, and the frame and

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structure will be you know, sometimes iron or brass, and

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in the iron or brass, there'll usually be a depiction

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of an angel standing atop a demon or a serpent

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with a spear. Right, So, yeah, they hate bells. There's

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a there's a there's an al chemical like hermetic maxim

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about the about sound. Right when it comes to truth,

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there's a lot of like, there's a lot of overlap

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between the two in many ways. I know that will

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upset a lot of people. Between between religious dogma, particularly

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Christian dogma, and hermetic axioms or hermetic proofs. When I

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say proofs, I mean her Meticism isn't a spiritual belief system.

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It's not a really legion. It's more a philosophical toolkit

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for understanding the world around you, so some of it

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overlaps quite nicely. I'm not supposed to say that, but

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they always say that you can hear the sound of

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the soul, can hear the sound of truth by its ring.

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And this is where we get the saying something rings

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true from because truth has a specific They believe that

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the truth has a specific sound to it. Right, And

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there's some inscriptions on these bells. I think I should

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read you in the meantime, why I pull them up?

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Go ahead, filo, Well.

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technology in the Middle Ages and late Antiquity, we find

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and most of the earliest inventions were things like water mills,

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or they were machines that were designed, usually with a

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very limited mechanical advantage of like one to one or

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one to two Pulley systems, things like that. But sometimes

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the most advanced mechanisms behind things were also they're related

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to religion. For example, I'm thinking of the I'm going

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to script the name the Greek mechanism that was found

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on that shipwreck that would chart out the constellations mechanically

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through systems of gears, the Anchi strata mechanism. I believe,

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but then also thinking about the nature of bells and music.

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It was focused on the harmony between different voices to

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generate certain sounds what is pleasurable to the ear most.

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All classic composers Bach and Mozart and Handle, they all

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wrote church music. They all wrote liturgical music that was

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designed to be played at holy days, and kings would

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have their own court musicians to compose things. The Vatican

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would have secret music that they would play at certain

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certain occasions. And so the importance of sound and not

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just like a sort of random whatever instrument to jam

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or whatever that people would listen to. It was very

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seldom in the ancient world that you would hear any

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kind of music, And that kind of that brings me

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to one of my kind of I have a bunch

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of presuppositions laid out for this stream. One of them

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is that I think Christianity is for the most part

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centered upon unity the sacraments or the One Flesh, or

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the brotherhood between Christians. It's also the unity of music,

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the holistic part of it. Secularism is division, it's dissonance

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it's noise, overlapping noise. It's people playing music on their

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speakers on hikes, it's every you go to a gas

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station and there's a TV on the pump that will

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play an advertisement. I can't help but connect it with

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the sort of overwhelming desire from very bad people that

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want to entirely capture your attention and to steer you

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away from any kind of spiritual or religious pursuit.

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Speaker 3: I think, give me an intention.

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Speaker 2: Intention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, So God is the way that blank and

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the light, the truth, the truth. So this is what

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many take to mean. I'm trying to find the inscription,

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but it's basically like something in his truth, you will

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find sanctuary something like that. On these sanct the spells.

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There is something that has to do with how to

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your point about music harmonies, and I guess you could

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call it disharmony or cacophony. All right, Chris Langen, who

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I urge everyone if they haven't checked out, already checked out.

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Langan is a Christian. I think he's the weirdest type

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of Christian I've ever encountered. Lang In is a is

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a physicist. He's also the world's most highest iq man

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that has tested. I think he's two something or other, right,

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and he has this theory right, it's a unified theory.

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So both you unify as quantum mechanics and classical Einsteinian mechanics, right,

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And this is like the unified theory is like the

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holy grail of science. It really is. It's called the

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CTMU theory. And basically it's the only theory of only

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unified theory or really any physical theory at a systems level,

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Like you know, classical mechanics or quantum mechanics are both

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system level theories, all right. They don't just explain a

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specific action. They are generalized, right, so they explain everything

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everywhere in that domain. And to unify these two things

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is basically the thing that the greatest minds in theoretical

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physics have dedicated their whole lives too, at least the

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past one hundred years. And I've read all of the

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ones worthwhile. String theory is not worthwhile and for anyone

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that cares that's listening. And Langan is the only one

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that I think has even come close, and I think

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he's actually cracked it. But basically in his The reason

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I bring this up is because there's something called the

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the Schrodinger's principle in quantum mechanics, or also also called

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the observer principle. Right, And that is you've all heard

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Schrodinger's cat, Right, that's what's called the quantum uncertainty principle. Right.

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But a quantum particle is actually a really interesting thing

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because it does certain things when you're looking at it,

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and then it does other things when you're not looking

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at it. And I mean that quite literally. And even

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if you're looking through a camera through like if you

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are observing it or trying to measure it in any way, right,

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if conscious intention is pointed at it, it behaves differently. Right. So,

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if it's velocity is measurable, right, the second you measure

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its velocity, so you are seeing it, you are observing it,

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you are now unable to measure its vector what direction

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it's going. And if you try and measure its vector,

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you are no longer able to determine its velocity. It

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fundamentally changes its ability to be perceived on whether someone

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is trying to perceive it. And if you read Schrodinger,

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I was lucky enough to get a hold of some

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of Einstein and Schrodinger's correspondents. As a younger man with

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I was able to be much more frivolous with my income.

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And these guys talk about it not from a scientific level,

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but from a actual consciousness level, right, Because if you

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set a machine to observe it, none of these problems manifest.

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It's only when a person and a conscious being tries

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to measure it. And there'll be a million videos about

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Neel the grass Tyson debunking my take on it. But

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unlike Neil the grass Tyson, I possess fucking Schrodinger's actual

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words to Einstein's, so he can get fucked. Sorry, I

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need to work on my swearing. I've been told i'd

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do it gratuitously, so it is something I'm going to

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try and work on. Right. So, even from the beginning

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of quantum mechanics, we knew that consciousness was fundamental to

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how things operated. We didn't know why it was or

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what exactly it does. But it's built into the framework

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of our reality, right. It fundamentally is part of the

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house we live in. Whether it's the roof, whether it's

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the windows, the doors, we don't know, and if we

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pull it out, whether the house falls down or not.

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We don't know, but it's a part. We do know that,

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and it's integral we do know that. So Langan was

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the only person to basically unify the two fields of

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physics and show where basically it's a unified physical theory

473
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:24,440
in which consciousness is fundamental. Right, And as he works

474
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:31,159
through this theory, it becomes undeniable that there is a

475
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:42,039
much larger consciousness, a single, a singular, unified, global consciousness.

476
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,840
And I mean global. I don't mean like on our planet.

477
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,000
I mean everywhere, in all places, at all times. Whether

478
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:55,400
it's a hundred million light years in one direction, that

479
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:59,280
consciousness is there. Whether it's one hundred million light years

480
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,159
in another direction, consciousness is there, whether it's one hundred

481
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,199
million years in the past, and either those spots, consciousness

482
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:13,679
is still there. There is this single consciousness, separate and

483
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,679
apart from us, that is everywhere. And in his words,

484
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:28,679
I've stolen this, and I may have quoted it without citation,

485
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,760
but he says, oh, and this consciousness is what structures

486
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,480
the rules. Right. If you say gravity accelerates a body

487
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:47,760
in space at X amount of miles per hour, if

488
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,760
the body is xcise, whatever that number is, is the

489
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,639
same everywhere, right, that body will fall at the same

490
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:05,039
speeded in Alpha Centurai as it will in your backyard. Right.

491
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:09,280
The number doesn't move right, So there is finite rules

492
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,880
that exist everywhere. Those rules never change, the values of

493
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:24,000
these forces never change, and n CTMU theory he basically

494
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:31,719
proves out how it is this unified, global, discrete consciousness that,

495
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:36,960
as it is existing, its existence takes all of these rules,

496
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:42,119
these values and fixes them in place. Right. So, if

497
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:46,800
I were to change the speed at which that you

498
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,519
know mass falls via gravity by let's say I don't

499
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:56,960
know ten percent or one percent, well, that scaled up

500
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,440
to the whole universe would have increased gravity enough to

501
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,039
collapse whole universe in on itself. Actually, if I change

502
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,519
the value of gravity point zero zero zero one in

503
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:16,000
one direction, the universe collapses in on itself immediately after

504
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:19,639
it's created. If I change it the other direction, there's

505
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,719
not enough gravity for sub atomic particles to come together

506
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:28,519
and form atoms, molecules, whatever, mass doesn't exist. So it

507
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:32,599
is these values being set exactly where they are on

508
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:39,480
a pinpoint that allows any of this to even take place. Us, dogs, cats,

509
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:45,199
your house, the planet, all of it, and it's this

510
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,440
singular consciousness that binds these things and fixes these things

511
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,400
in place so they can exist, which defines a logos

512
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:58,280
a truth. Right, it is this singular consciousness that sets

513
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:04,800
this truth. These values are affixed through it. And he

514
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:13,199
says God's logos is our geometry, his truth. Right, his

515
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:19,199
conscious mind is what affixes everything in our universe, or

516
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:24,920
it sets the values, determines what dimensions there are, what

517
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,119
we can go. The reason why we exist in three

518
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,280
dimensions is because God's truth. The reason we don't exist

519
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,719
in nine is the same. So God's logos is fundamentally

520
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,800
the binding agent that holds all reality together. And that's

521
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,119
why I say he's like the most interesting type of

522
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:51,119
Christian I come across, because the man has come to

523
00:43:51,239 --> 00:44:00,880
God from first principles. So when we say that is

524
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,480
the truth, the Way, and the Light, we have a

525
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:06,360
lot more evidence to back that up than pretty much

526
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:13,360
anybody else does. And you can explain certain mechanisms, and

527
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:20,880
he basically defines mathematically the mechanisms in which evil exists

528
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,840
in right, it is a secondary consciousness. And I'll let

529
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:27,920
everybody go check out his work and he'll be happy.

530
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,039
Or hit him up on Twitter he'll be happy to

531
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:35,400
tell you all about it, considering the fucking raw deal

532
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:42,000
that academia was given him has given him, thanks Eric Weinstein.

533
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:53,679
And he describes evil as incoherence and chaos with malice, right,

534
00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:06,079
So chaos incoherence has malice. Right. So when we say,

535
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:10,079
like the left has entropy, the left is entropy, it

536
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:17,920
is decoherence, but there is a malice behind it, a

537
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:25,760
singular malice. Anyways, So when we talk about harmonies, Philo

538
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,800
and you talk about the geometries of ballastings like that,

539
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:32,960
I think we may be getting way far afield here,

540
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,199
and I think that's un largely responsible for that is

541
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,519
like a guess, yeah, go on.

542
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Some some may ask at this point, like a dreams, well,

543
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:54,960
what what opens? What opens the door for for possession?

544
00:45:56,199 --> 00:46:02,639
Now in Catholo says them. According to the exorcists who've written,

545
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:10,920
it's very simple. It's dabbling in the occult. And even

546
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,920
William Peter Bladdie and the exorcist William Peter bladdy very

547
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,440
very interesting man, was in the psych warfare division of

548
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,679
the Army and comes out comes out of that and

549
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,679
decides to write a trilogy telling the world that demons exist.

550
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,119
And they possess people. But if everybody remembers, if they've

551
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:38,519
seen the movie, if you haven't, stop what you're doing

552
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:42,800
and go watch Go watch The Exorsist. In nineteen seventy three,

553
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,000
Linda b Linda Blair's character Reagan had found a weisure

554
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:55,039
board and she started playing with it. And it's it's

555
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,679
as simple as that. Now you can get into definitions

556
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,360
of well, you know, I don't play what we've boards,

557
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,960
I don't do this, I don't do that. But what

558
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,519
do you practice that is? Or what are you reading

559
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:10,559
or what are you listening to? What are you doing

560
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:15,039
that is occultish? That does open up the door, you know.

561
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,960
So I just wanted to throw that out there because

562
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,119
one thing I learned from, you know, going to a

563
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:30,119
Baptist church for for years and then going to a

564
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:34,400
Protestant seminary, a conservative Protestant seminary, is they will tell

565
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,239
you spiritual warfare exists and to be you know, to

566
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,599
be worry of it. But they don't have the doctrine

567
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,239
that Apostolic churches do. The centuries and centuries and centuries

568
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,000
that the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. If you

569
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:56,960
ask somebody about the you know the spirit, the spirits

570
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,119
in the in the realms, and and they don't have

571
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:07,559
the kind of training and the kind of research that

572
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,320
has been done for centuries. You're not going to know

573
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,079
exactly what it is. It's like, sure, yeah, okay, but

574
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:17,599
how do I how do I avoid it? What do

575
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:23,039
I do? How do I recognize it? If I did

576
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,800
feel like myself or somebody close to me was suffering,

577
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:31,119
how would I deal with it? And you know, I

578
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:44,719
mean I understand people's attachment to their lineage, their confessional heritage, whatever,

579
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,000
But reading a Catholic or an Orthodox book on spiritual

580
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:58,880
warfare and possession, you're going I think the problem is

581
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,440
is I think a lot of people who read that,

582
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,519
even Protestants, don't believe it, even though these are people

583
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:11,440
who are experiencing it. You know, Sean Ryan just said

584
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,519
Dan Schneider, who's a PhD and for former military.

585
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: He's a.

586
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:25,599
Speaker 1: Trained exorcist assistant. And I think it was four hours.

587
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,880
I think they did four hours with Sean Ryan. I mean,

588
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:36,400
just start there, you know, go find that episode and

589
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,920
then dive in. Not telling you you have to leave

590
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,360
your church, but I'm telling you, if you really want to,

591
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,199
if you really want to understand what this is, and

592
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:51,400
you believe that these entities exist, but you don't have

593
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:57,400
in your confessional heritage a coherent understanding or a systematic

594
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,599
explanation for it. Do search that out?

595
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all Christians, come to borrow our tools.

596
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there there are things about the about going

597
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,119
to Protestant churches that I like very much, and I

598
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:19,559
don't feel that it's a it's a threat, a threat

599
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:24,719
to who I am, where I came from, what my

600
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,599
family practiced.

601
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,119
Speaker 3: So we're on your point, Pete, real quick about how

602
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:35,880
prod see see this type of stuff. I agree with you.

603
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,519
I think a lot of them don't even believe this exists.

604
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,760
They believe that they are in like a one v

605
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,719
one fight and all that matters is them their conduct

606
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:56,320
and whether that gets them into paradise or not. Right,

607
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,960
So there's only two actors in the system, right, the

608
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,760
world that they exist in created by God and them

609
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,880
and their actions, and that's it. They don't quite see

610
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:19,840
it as a larger playing field with other, you know, agents,

611
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:26,719
and that opens up oneself not to possession. I know

612
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,800
very very very very good Christians that are prods that

613
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:35,199
have I have no doubt in my mind, will be

614
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:46,440
in paradise. But you could be like the best fighter

615
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:52,760
guy in the world, but that doesn't mean you're able

616
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,960
to actually fight in like a war where there are

617
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:03,920
pieces moving around, right, there are other types of things

618
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:10,280
besides other really good fighter guys, Like it is a

619
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,239
almost a symphony of terrible. There's a whole bunch of people,

620
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:20,559
like there's too many pieces on the game board to

621
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:23,159
see it as just all that matters is me and

622
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:26,840
my relationship with God. And I think that's something that

623
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,159
prods fall into a lot where a lot of the

624
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:35,239
older churches they find they flat out say like this

625
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,559
is we mankind exists in a state of spiritual warfare. Right,

626
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:46,840
there's a million enemies of God, a million spirits as

627
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:54,480
there are animals, flora, and fauna on the earth, and

628
00:52:54,519 --> 00:53:01,079
they're right, they literally are just roaming around. And to

629
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,480
Pete's point about saying like he'd be a cult, is

630
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,119
one way that this happens. Remember that quantum particle, right,

631
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,079
it knows where your intention is, and whether your intention

632
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,760
is on it or not on it is going to

633
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,039
determine how it acts. This is much the same, right,

634
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:30,719
porn is as much of a doorway as occultism, because

635
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,119
what are you focusing your intention on? Oh, by the way, porn.

636
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,519
I mean there's dozens and dozens and dozens of studies

637
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:46,639
about how porn. Watching porn creates a disassociative state. Right,

638
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:52,199
One imagines themselves outside of their body and in the

639
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:57,039
position of the person that they are watching in pornography, right,

640
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,079
so they are imagining themselves, not themselves, but that per

641
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,239
to which they are watching. You know, that creates a

642
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:12,039
disassociative state. And what is your intention on? Where you

643
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:18,079
focus your intention matters? Right? Like these are this? I mean,

644
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:20,920
God didn't tell you what the rules were for his

645
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:21,559
own benefit.

646
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:27,039
Speaker 2: Go ahead, fhilove, Well, I think what I'd like to

647
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:30,559
do a lot of these notes that I've outlined are

648
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,559
a lot of these definitional and history primary sources for

649
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,320
Christianity and Judaism.

650
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about enemy action yea.

651
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,079
Speaker 2: So I guess I'll leave it up to you too.

652
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,760
My plan is to start with the Christian definition of

653
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,719
basically the human understanding of God or in a way

654
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,639
to make sense of it, and then to go into

655
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,119
like the Jewish corruption of it, because I think think

656
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,239
that helps ground the discussion and a little bit more

657
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,559
of you.

658
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,199
Speaker 3: Know, well, we've been discussing for like forty five minutes,

659
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,400
so we're not grounded by now, sure.

660
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: I guess Saint Gregory of Nissa. He makes an argument

661
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,559
on why you shouldn't consider Jewish or Pagan theology seriously.

662
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,159
And when you look at a lot of modern religion

663
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,039
or the way that people approach religion, they don't really

664
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,239
know what they're praying to, they don't really know how

665
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,920
the divine works. And I think that just to like

666
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,559
get this out there, I think that the people's do.

667
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:40,960
In my mind, as an Orthodox Christian, there's one way

668
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:46,159
out of this mess, and that's prayer to Christ, and

669
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:51,760
that's being a Trinitarian Nicene Christian. Psalm thirty three six

670
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,039
by the word of the Lord, where the heavens established

671
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,639
and all their power by the spirit of His mouth.

672
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:00,639
And one interesting thing that I've done is I've looked

673
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:03,079
at that, and I've looked at the Hebrew translation, and

674
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:06,519
I've looked at the Greek septuagen translation of this. And

675
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:10,840
if you take this to be literal, that word and

676
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,400
breath in the human sense, or these powerless things, what

677
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,639
it means if you're taking everything from a human centric perspective,

678
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:24,519
if you're approaching religion from a purely materialist angle, these

679
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:28,159
concepts of word and breath just have no power. Our

680
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:32,960
words and our breath are inoperative and ineffective without subsistence.

681
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:38,840
The capital W word in Christianity and the capital B

682
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:44,440
breath are divine. A word has essential being, and a spirit,

683
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:49,000
the Holy Spirit, has subsistence. This is the first major

684
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:52,159
example he picks out of how to define the Trinity,

685
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,840
the Godhead. And so you have to look at these

686
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,039
objections to what God is. Jew and Greek they might

687
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,840
not necessarily even contest the existence of God's word and spirit.

688
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,159
The Greek might say, due to Platonism that they'll rely

689
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,000
on their innate ideas, and the Jew will quote a

690
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:16,199
bunch of scripture at you. But what the two of

691
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:19,400
them do is they equally reject the plan by which

692
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,480
God's Word becomes man. And they'll say that, And I've

693
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:25,400
found this over and over and over again, because I

694
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,679
looked at a ton of Jewish post exilic writings like

695
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,719
the mid Rush and the Mishnah. They just plainly look

696
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,360
at attributes of God and say that they aren't God.

697
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,159
They isolate it to something different. And I think I

698
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:46,159
could inform this more of the background with the Hellenism,

699
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:49,039
but I can get into that when I talk about Judaism.

700
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:53,440
I wanted to like run Christian mysticism by you storm

701
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,559
Ag just to you know.

702
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,639
Speaker 3: Well, real quick, what did the Jews seem to be

703
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:08,400
well aware that words spoken right, so words with breath

704
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:16,400
have spirit? Would that be correct? Yeah, they care very

705
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,400
much about what words are spoken out loud.

706
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shamap, the whole section on Judaism, yeah, absolutely.

707
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,199
Speaker 3: I think we should get into that a little bit

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because I don't think that the dear listener, like they've

709
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heard us on the timeline and you know whatever say

710
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like this is evil. You know, their aspects of Judaism

711
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:46,480
is evil. But I bet you they've like nobody's actually

712
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:52,360
come out outside of what they've done and their actions,

713
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:59,400
you know, against Christianity and against Christ himself. I don't

714
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,039
think there's a lot that people know about the just

715
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:11,519
day to day practicings of that religion are evil and

716
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:17,320
what is happening, you know, is not what you think

717
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,800
is happening, and in fact is not even what most

718
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,800
Jews think is happening, but something else is happening entirely.

719
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Would you agree in my assessment that Judaism as it's practiced,

720
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not like the Reformed, which is basically just nonsense made

721
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:42,320
up by rabbis to keep the ethnic solidarity going right,

722
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,000
But the actual practice, spiritual practice is more akin to

723
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:48,599
black magic than it is anything else.

724
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I can prove that with sources.

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Speaker 3: Go on.

726
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Speaker 2: Okay, So again for the listener who may not have

727
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caught me, I've been on Beach Show before. Before I

728
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,400
was an Orthodox Christian, I was a Jew. So between

729
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,039
that and living over in Israel and reading and speaking Hebrew, like,

730
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,679
I've verified all this. This is not me pulling it

731
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:13,000
out of my ass or something I found on the

732
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Hubbad website. Let's see, where's a good part to start.

733
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Speaker 3: Out with this.

734
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Speaker 2: Let's just start with the prayers, right, So most people

735
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,280
have no idea how Jewish prayer service works. What happens

736
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in Christianity when you go to a church. Christ is

737
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the bridegroom and the church is the bride. That's John

738
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three twenty nine, that's Mark two nineteen, and that's Ephesians

739
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,800
five twenty two. And if you would throw out the

740
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Dennis Preger definition of Judeo Christianity.

741
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Speaker 3: You please, you know.

742
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:55,679
Speaker 2: That has to go immediately out the window. Jews do

743
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,679
not believe in that. There, it's more than just having

744
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,400
a Christ shaped here.

745
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Speaker 3: Let me just let me just run through what they

746
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actually believe. Right, So, pre Larionic and lionic Kabbalistic Judaism,

747
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:14,440
this is where Shabbad shit like this comes from. I

748
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,440
remember you asked me once like what these Shabbad guys

749
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:26,760
are actually up up to? Right? So here we go.

750
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,320
It's three. It has three ideological nodes that can be

751
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:41,039
shown why Gentiles can either be simultaneously authors, hostage or

752
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:48,840
collaborators in tikun from tikan Olam without collapsing the status

753
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,119
of Israel as the chosen people. So in pre Larionic

754
01:01:52,760 --> 01:02:02,760
there are two tier structures, right, One the Jews do

755
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,679
not have the spark themselves. Another version of it, so

756
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lurionic the spark. Oh yeah, this is the other thing

757
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is God, the Creator was broken up into a million

758
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billion pieces and spread and hidden all over the place

759
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in little sparks. I'm not joking at all. Right, all

760
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:34,039
humanity carries these sparks and they're scattered by another spirit

761
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:42,519
shiver at Colem right, and chosenness is not a racial essence.

762
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,320
This is pre lurionic, but a contractual agency. The Jewish

763
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,360
soul is equipped with a teacum license. I guess you

764
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,360
could call it a divine power of attorney to extract

765
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and elevate its assigned fragments. Right, so they're on spark

766
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:06,400
scavenger hunts. Gentiles possess the sparks, but not the some sparks,

767
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but not the license right to start putting them together

768
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or extracting them from other places that they may be hidden. Hence,

769
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a gentile can be an author of teakan healing only

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when acting through or after a Jewish activation. So to speak,

771
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:34,920
I'm para, I'm using some metaphor, right, but then there

772
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is the lurionic so Jewish, so this would be shabbad. Right,

773
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So Jewish rabbis are a medium a spark location map. Right.

774
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The jew himself is a Messianic code that identifies which

775
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:05,960
sparks are inside which non Jewish hosts. All right, Jews

776
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:13,360
use of the gentile object buying, singing, borrowing, whatever transmutes

777
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:20,920
his latent hidden spark in deliberated God energy. I can

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go on but this is actually what they believe. If

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you actually want to know what ju Judaism is actually about,

780
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:28,320
this is what it's about. I can. I can send

781
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:34,760
you the breakdown between lurionic and pre lurionic Cabbalism. But

782
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:37,800
you remember you asked me one time if I like

783
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what those Shabbad guys are actually like on about, like

784
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,639
what they're up to. This is what they're up to.

785
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Speaker 2: And I also found, like how far back.

786
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Speaker 3: Now not very Christian, lots of jodeo, but I can't

787
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do the Christian in this spark hunting.

788
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Speaker 2: Well. I remember, like I explained a lot of the

789
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medieval history to Pete, which I know pretty well. I know,

790
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I knew very well back to like fifteen hundred or so,

791
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But I before this retrsuing for this stream, I didn't

792
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really take a look at the origins of a lot

793
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of the other more ancient elements. I mean, because the

794
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mindset in Judaism, like the formal doctrine that rabbis tell

795
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,760
Jews in the religion is it's an unbroken chain of

796
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:27,840
law passed down genetically from Moses on the mountain God

797
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,000
giving him the Torah, the law and the spark map. Yeah,

798
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:36,519
exactly and this existing unchanged unerring with the exact doctrines

799
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:39,320
through all time to the present and for all time

800
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into the future. But there's some elements that disprove this.

801
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Speaker 3: So and he would think that he would know that

802
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,199
that's a bold faced lie.

803
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you're like a cultural Jew that doesn't

804
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,920
speak Heber, you wouldn't even it wouldn't even cross your map,

805
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:54,639
you wouldn't.

806
01:05:54,679 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the rabbi is literally giving you a sales

807
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,199
pitch full of not true shit to get you to

808
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:02,599
do a thing. Yeah.

809
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,239
Speaker 2: I want to elucidate, like how far back this goes?

810
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Because you mentioned like the Prelariac Kabbala in the second

811
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century BC. You have to understand the interpretado greca of

812
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,559
Judaism and the encounter between Judaism and Hellenism, because Judaism

813
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,639
is not this religion that's operating within isolation, just among itself.

814
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The entire history of Judaism is Judaism and other groups

815
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,840
encountering each other. And it's completely false to say that

816
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,440
Jewish theology was unaffected by these other groups. So I'll

817
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,519
just I'll list a whole bunch of examples as quickly

818
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:41,840
as I can and stop me at any point in

819
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the second century before Christ. Posidonius portrays the Jews not

820
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:51,039
as theologians, but as a collective group of philosophers. Hectadaeus

821
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of abderrah Rot in the fourth century BC that there

822
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was already an extant priests caste in the time of

823
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:03,119
the early Ptolemies that was practicing Egyptian magic. Theophostras states

824
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that the Jews worship Heaven itself as the highest God

825
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instead of a universal God, a true monotheism. Monotheism is

826
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a modern concept Indica of Megasthenes, who was the ambassador

827
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,960
of the Celsiit Empire to India between three four and

828
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,079
two ninety two BC, He stated that the ancient Indian

829
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Brahman culture reflects the same theological understanding of nature and

830
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,679
reality as the Syrian Jews. Clearchus of Soli, who is

831
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:37,760
a pupil to Aristotle, describes the total hellenization of language

832
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,920
and the soul of even the wisest and most upper

833
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:47,119
elements of the priests class of Jews. Both Clearchus and Posidonius,

834
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:49,760
one hundred and fifty years apart in writing, describe the

835
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:54,400
Jews as practicing a niromancy, which is the study of dreams. Celsus,

836
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,280
who writes in the second half of the second century AD,

837
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,880
describes the Jewish God as interchangeable as discussed between Jews

838
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,239
themselves with the Greek, Scythian, and Egyptian gods. That is

839
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to say that Zeus and Zeus, Saba, Papaeus, or Ammun

840
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:16,079
can all be used interchangeably with the Jewish conception of Hashem. Additionally,

841
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,680
Jewish syncretism with other cultures existed in the Greek speaking

842
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:24,840
diaspora prior to christ. The Jewish pagan cults of Sambathion

843
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:31,319
in Thyatira, the Sabatistes in Secilia, the Sambatheki in the

844
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:36,039
Egyptian now Critics, and the Hypsistarians in the Bosphorus of

845
01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:39,720
Age of Minor are all Judaeo Hellenized cults that are

846
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:45,279
operating within a priest caste and over time. Prior to

847
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,239
the establishment historically of the Pharisees, there was a crisis

848
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,800
within Judaism between about one seventy five BC and the

849
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,079
mid one sixties, which is where the more radical reformers,

850
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:58,560
i e. Certain elements of the priest caste attempted to

851
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:03,079
abolish the entire tour. So in reaction to this, the

852
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,399
historical reason that Judaism in the life of Christ when

853
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:10,680
it exists then as the Pharisees control Judea, is that

854
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:14,760
it is extremely rigid and dogmatic, and that is a

855
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,800
lot of the historical basis for why they decry Christ

856
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,520
and defame him and ultimately put him to death. And

857
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:29,479
you also have to consider that, especially in the Postexilic context,

858
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:34,560
God has both a Holy One male gendered form and

859
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:39,079
a Sharina presence for the female form within the same

860
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:44,359
universal concept of God. So there's a whole bunch of

861
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:48,239
other different items that go with this. But I was

862
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,319
wondering if you had anything to say on that before.

863
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 3: I kind of assume this is why when the Orthodox

864
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:56,079
guys are praying against the wall it looks like they're

865
01:09:56,119 --> 01:10:00,319
rocking back and forth. They're not rocking back in and forth.

866
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:06,439
They're actually humping because in the type of prayer that

867
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:12,680
they're doing, they are to be like the creator God,

868
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:19,399
not the spirit or force, right, not the basically having

869
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:25,640
intercourse with the female deity. So they are quite literally,

870
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,279
well they're literally trying to fuck the wall. Figuratively, they

871
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:40,720
are basically re enacting copulation between the male and female deities.

872
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:45,600
This they're not rocking back and forth, they are humping. Yep.

873
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,359
Speaker 2: The basis for this, I mean Stormy's right. So a

874
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:52,840
lot of things about Judaism are some sort of inversion

875
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,199
of Christianity. So in Christianity, Christ is the bridegroom in

876
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:59,800
the Church is his bride, right. Those passages are mentioned earlier. Well,

877
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,279
the opposite of that, in there's a prayer in Judaism

878
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:05,159
at the end, at the start of Shabbat called the

879
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:10,680
radd and the Shabbat bride. The Kalah is the divine

880
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,600
feminine the Shahina, which is ritually enacted brought into the

881
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,520
synagogue to join the Jewish people who are the groom.

882
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,399
This is spoken, This is a standard prayer. It's all

883
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,439
Jews in every synagogue on Shabbat on the planet, every

884
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,760
single one. And this is even especially. This is not

885
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,239
a biblical prayer. You can't find this anywhere in the Torah.

886
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,560
It's from the Midrash written in the second cent century

887
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,840
a d. Which I mean, I mean it's it's further

888
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:44,560
elaborated upon aristicism, right, and it's it's further influenced by

889
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:49,439
Rabbi Shimuel Idols who lived from the fifte mid fifteen

890
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hundreds to the early sixteen hundreds. It's the same evidence

891
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,920
for this is given in the Priduschai adult, which is

892
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:02,640
a kabbala kabbal's text. And I have more like more

893
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,439
items from the Jewish prayer service to bring up for

894
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:06,880
people don't necessarily know.

895
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: Well, so here's something that knowledge people may know, is

896
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:18,520
the Kabbala was originally Greek. You know, there's that study

897
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,520
of uh, there's much to do is made in Judaism

898
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:31,600
about goa mantria yep, and basically number magic that originally

899
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,680
comes from Pythagoreanism. Right, So the Kabbala spelt with a

900
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:43,680
Q not a K, is a Greek book of well,

901
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:49,439
it's a series of books that is both magical text

902
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,079
as in like we'll call it like magical backstory for

903
01:12:54,560 --> 01:13:00,840
said texts, and then magical text is in like operational texts. Right,

904
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:08,319
So that is what the Greek Kabbala is. The Jewish

905
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:13,720
Kabbala is a hybrid and this is proven out here.

906
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,680
Let me let me see if I can find this

907
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:28,720
ours notoria, ours notoria. No where is it too many books?

908
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:41,600
Too many books. Here we go. This is the This

909
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,800
is the other bit that they don't tell you about

910
01:13:46,119 --> 01:13:54,560
in Judaism. This is on doctor Stephen Skinner's translation of

911
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:02,800
a very very nasty bit of magical tech. Next called

912
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:11,800
the the Keys of Solomon. The names are interchangeable. What

913
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:16,039
matters is the ritual, right, So Keys of Solomon is

914
01:14:16,359 --> 01:14:21,479
just the Jewish name for it that it's mostly remembered by.

915
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:26,079
But I mean this this was called the Seven Seals

916
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:35,960
in Greek. No Solomon attached, and a similar thing with

917
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:42,079
a certain Egyptian beity. Anyways, here we go, right, sources

918
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:47,079
of the Solomonic magical tradition. Topic has no no no

919
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:55,359
where we go. Yes, So for the benefit of those

920
01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:57,640
readers have not read this one, this were three. The

921
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:05,479
Greco Egyptian Magical Papyri right is found to be the

922
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:12,119
original source. So that's called the PGM for short. Right. Oh,

923
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:17,680
the primary Egyptian nomina magica were dropped the bulk of

924
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:24,000
those taken by Jews in Alexandria. The methods such as

925
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:31,359
threatening one spiritual creature with another using phylactery or lament

926
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:36,600
or a floor circle for protection. Right, There are very

927
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,680
few methods that were introduced into the Kapala itself that

928
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:47,720
did not first originate three hundred years earlier in Egypt.

929
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,720
So most of the ritual magic in Judaism, which is

930
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,960
a lot of it, comes from the Greco Egyptian magic

931
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:06,920
pyri and particularly a much nastier version of it. Leave

932
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,600
it to Jews to kind of crank things up to

933
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,960
eleven right, called the Seven Keys of Solomon, which I

934
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:18,439
don't urge anyone to look into ever. But yeah, so

935
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,239
they basically, like you're talking about, they go around the world.

936
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:24,359
It's like they're going around the world picking up like

937
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,199
the naughtiest magic of each and every place and rolling

938
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:34,000
it all together. So it's not like they're polytheistic, which

939
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they are. It's like they're, well, it's a word for

940
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:43,359
like not many gods, but all of them, Like, yeah,

941
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:48,600
we have tons of gods, which gods everyone we run into. Yeah,

942
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:53,920
pantheistic would technically work, but yeah, anyone can check out

943
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,760
Steven Skinner's work on the origins of the Kabbala, right,

944
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:04,279
he basically carved out which came from the Greek ah

945
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:08,880
So I couldn't find you, but yeah, so we talked

946
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,560
about which came from the Greek and which came from

947
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:17,640
the Egyptian and basically how it was how and what

948
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:22,560
it was turned into in the Jewish texts, but most

949
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,279
of the texts of the Kabbalah, which is many books.

950
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:28,399
I think the so Har has more books, but this

951
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:33,359
represents almost all of Like let's say Shabbad, right, Shabbat,

952
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:37,319
which is the largest growing sect of Judaism. Members like

953
01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:42,720
Lex Wexner, who is the guy that brought Shabbad to

954
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:48,199
the US. Other illustrious members like Igor Kolamoyski of Ukraine

955
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:54,760
who in partnership with Lex Wexner set up all the

956
01:17:54,760 --> 01:18:00,479
Shabbat schools around the country, and it's got such notable

957
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:10,119
members as Ben Shapiro and Jared Kushner are all Shabbotniks.

958
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:18,960
These guys are cobbylists. So these guys Mark Levin also

959
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:29,239
a Shabbotnik. Their whole understanding of faith, religion, Judaism, whatever, right,

960
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:32,640
what they practice in their day to day it's quite

961
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:41,760
literally Greco Egyptian dark magic. And it's not a joke.

962
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 2: I could just pull stuff fred out of the mission

963
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:51,920
of Torah for you, Okay, So I mean people really

964
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,600
under I mean people just don't know like this was

965
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:54,920
the part.

966
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,399
Speaker 3: This was the original point of the stream. By the way, guys,

967
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,159
we just weren't. We weren't, and we weren't planning on

968
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:04,640
a demon possessed transvestite shooting up a bunch of kids.

969
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:07,560
M Uh go ahead.

970
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: So one of the core prayers, and this is something

971
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,000
that was new to me, was that a vast majority

972
01:19:14,039 --> 01:19:18,520
of prayers that are you know, inside Judaism, that you're

973
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,640
saying on a daily or weekly basis. You know, they

974
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,840
might be out of the Book of Deuteronomy or Exodus,

975
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,119
or they might be out of the Psalms. That's standard

976
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:29,840
for the course, but a lot of what actually exists

977
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:34,279
in the core of daily practice is a post exilic

978
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,760
So the perfect example for this is the ami Da.

979
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,600
And inside the Amida is also known as the Shimona esray,

980
01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:46,640
and it was codified by Rabbi Gamaliel the second Vne

981
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:51,000
after the destruction of the Second Temple. So this is

982
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:55,079
what's called, as many other prayers are similarly called the

983
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:59,439
Mitzvad de Raabanan the commandments that are of rabbinic origin

984
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:04,239
rather than divine. Now why should you care about this, Well,

985
01:20:04,279 --> 01:20:08,720
just speaking strictly metaphysically if you are a religious person,

986
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:14,079
if you are a Christian, everything comes from God and

987
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:19,319
is illuminated through for example, the Church Fathers. In Judaism,

988
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,720
a lot of these commandments are coming directly from rabbis.

989
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:27,039
And what is Christ say, I mean, put not your

990
01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:30,880
trust in princes and sons of men whom there is

991
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,039
no salvation. It's a very very explicit reason for that.

992
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:40,439
But what is inside this Amidah prayer, Well, there's eighteen sections.

993
01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:43,960
One of them is called the Aminim. It is the

994
01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:49,159
curse on heretics, and it's repeated in the rabbinic liturgy

995
01:20:49,399 --> 01:20:53,880
in Hebrew. And this is said everywhere across all synagogues

996
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,560
everywhere in the world, even reform ones. This is a

997
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:02,560
curse on Jews that apostasize to Christianity, meet and Christians themselves,

998
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,199
as well as the governance of the Christian world. So

999
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:09,760
in every synagogue that is prayed. Now they'll say that

1000
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,319
the meaning of it is like diluted and that it

1001
01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:14,560
doesn't mean the same thing, But if you look at

1002
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,479
the text of it, it's still occurs. The prayer itself

1003
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,239
dates to the Jerusalem Talmud, and that predates the Babylonian

1004
01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:25,199
Talmud by about a century. The texts themselves are written

1005
01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:30,640
in Aramaic rather than some kind of more ancient Hebrew form.

1006
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:33,520
But I also want to talk about a little bit

1007
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:39,640
more about this Hellenistic corruption, because I think that Greco

1008
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,439
Egyptian corruption of Judaism is what gives it a lot

1009
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,119
of the magical attributes. It's kind of a framework for it,

1010
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:50,920
and how this is all incorporated the most famous the

1011
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,760
actual theology of Judaism, A lot of it stems from

1012
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,920
my Monodes. That's Moshav and Maman. He wrote both the

1013
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,399
Guide for the Perplexed as well as the Missionatah, right,

1014
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,920
so he's the one that wrote a lot of these

1015
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:09,960
texts that modern Judaism derives its core ideas from. And

1016
01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:13,119
anytime I reference the miss Naturah, it comes from this guy.

1017
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,680
He lived in about the year eleven hundred. So you

1018
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,520
have to think that this is this is well after

1019
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:22,439
the Church fathers have written. So this is something that

1020
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,920
very few people know, which is that Jewish metaphysics and

1021
01:22:26,039 --> 01:22:31,239
theology does not predate Christianity. It's a myth. It's after

1022
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,680
the Church fathers are writing. Now that sounds insane, but

1023
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,960
I'll prove it. So when moshab Inmiman writes The Guide

1024
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,840
for the Perplex, its primary goal is to incorporate Aristotelianism

1025
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:46,720
into Judaism. And this is already several hundred years after

1026
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,279
Christianity grappled with Hellenism. It goes through Arianism, it goes

1027
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:55,000
through Dunatism, it goes through Astorianism. The Church fathers are

1028
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,680
defining the doctrine of the Trinity in order to refute

1029
01:22:59,159 --> 01:23:01,239
a lot of the helleness to influence that's going on

1030
01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:05,279
in the world around them, and to clarify what Christianity is.

1031
01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:10,479
But my Monodes is already running into items of theology,

1032
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,600
the basics that are already refuted by Christianity that have

1033
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,119
not really actually been considered by Judaism. A lot of

1034
01:23:18,199 --> 01:23:22,439
Judaism's theology is reactionary. What's an example of this. My

1035
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,800
Monodies defines God in purely negative terms, that is, God

1036
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,479
is defined by what he is not. This is a

1037
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,239
core element of Neoplatonism, and it's known to Orthodox Christians

1038
01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:40,359
as apaphatic theology. So how do you define positive theology?

1039
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:41,159
Speaker 3: Right?

1040
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:44,039
Speaker 2: What is catiphatic theology? It's opposite. Well, every time that

1041
01:23:44,119 --> 01:23:47,479
Judaism employs it. It borrows a lot of its understanding

1042
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:52,239
from Church Fathers in Christianity. The cataphatic theology in Judaism

1043
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,319
stems from Judah Halevi, bay Iban Pakuda, and Shumon ben

1044
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,359
semach Deran. These people all state the Church fathers by

1045
01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:06,199
about a thousand years. Now, what's filling the majority of

1046
01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:10,399
theology between the Life of Christ and about one thousand CE.

1047
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:17,279
If it's not this epiphatic or cataphatic theology, what is it? Well,

1048
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:21,319
it's something called Mercava mysticism. What's the name of the

1049
01:24:21,359 --> 01:24:25,920
tank in Israel? What do they call the Rams tank?

1050
01:24:26,359 --> 01:24:32,680
It's called the exactly so Mercava mysticism. It primarily takes

1051
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,800
a hold of Judaism between one hundred BCE to one

1052
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,600
thousand CE, and it very I mean, if you look

1053
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,840
at what this actually is, a lot of it fits

1054
01:24:41,239 --> 01:24:44,920
the Greco Egyptian mythology. What's an example of this, Well,

1055
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:47,840
there's multiple animals that will be driving a chariot that

1056
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,880
are half beast and half angel. We'll have a lion

1057
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,479
and a ram, but it'll be half man and it

1058
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,439
will be pulling God. These sort of crazy things. And

1059
01:24:57,039 --> 01:24:59,279
when my Monodesa is writing the Missionaturrah. What does he

1060
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:03,000
say of this? What is the massei Milkava? He says

1061
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,800
of it that it should never be expounded upon, even

1062
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,119
to a single individual, unless he is wise and capable

1063
01:25:09,159 --> 01:25:11,600
of understanding. And this is where I want to bounce

1064
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,800
some I guess I would even call it perhaps gnosticism.

1065
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,520
But when I say this, and these are direct quotes

1066
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:21,800
from the Hebrew translated into English, this will make you

1067
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:26,560
laugh stormy. From my monetes, the pinnacle of knowing him

1068
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,520
referring to God is to reach the stage where you

1069
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,840
admit and believe that you are completely ignorant of the

1070
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:37,600
truth of His glorious essence. You do not know God.

1071
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,479
You are completely ignorant of God. It's almost like a

1072
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:47,279
Buddhist understanding where you destroy the self. Further, another example

1073
01:25:47,279 --> 01:25:50,560
from the Missionnatarah. God is the know where the subject

1074
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,520
of knowledge, and He is the knowledge itself. All is one.

1075
01:25:55,039 --> 01:25:59,359
There are four types of physical matter, fire, wind, water,

1076
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,439
and earth. All four bodies of these do not possess

1077
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,720
a soul, nor are a conscious or knowing. They are

1078
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,720
like dead bodies. That's a direct translation from the Hebrew.

1079
01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:14,960
And further to this the Jewish astronomy and astrology is

1080
01:26:15,079 --> 01:26:22,960
uniquely distinct from both Hellenism and Christianity. What are some others.

1081
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:28,159
Speaker 3: So basically you have like the creator God that got

1082
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:31,479
turned into a bunch of sparks, right, but they still

1083
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:36,359
believe that another god rules the earth, right, a lesser

1084
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:45,520
and also often not nice one. Right, This is straight

1085
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:51,279
up narsissism. It's not kind of like gnoscissism. It's not

1086
01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:59,119
a little bit gnostic. It is narcissism. Right. The world

1087
01:26:59,239 --> 01:27:05,039
is run by an evil monster deity, and the real God,

1088
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:09,159
the guy that created everything, bits of his spirit is

1089
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:12,079
broken up into many many, many many pieces and spread

1090
01:27:12,079 --> 01:27:17,359
about everywhere in all of us. And the physical body

1091
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,479
is that you and habit is not real, and all

1092
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,479
that is real is your consciousness and this spark. And

1093
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,760
basically it is an escape to try and get out

1094
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:33,920
from underneath this evil you know, temp agency god that

1095
01:27:34,039 --> 01:27:38,399
runs earth. So you could go be a just a

1096
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:46,600
consciousness and reunite all the sparks. It's gnosticism, it is,

1097
01:27:47,359 --> 01:27:53,199
there is no difference. This is the same picture, right,

1098
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,640
And which is funny because you said it's around like

1099
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,560
what fourteen fifteen hundred, This gets like reinterpreted in turbocharge.

1100
01:28:02,119 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 2: No, this gets reinterpreted around the year one thousand, oh.

1101
01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:08,359
Speaker 3: When was a Gnosta heresy?

1102
01:28:09,119 --> 01:28:13,119
Speaker 1: Oh those second century, a second and third century. I

1103
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:15,039
mean that was immediate, That was almost immediate.

1104
01:28:15,159 --> 01:28:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah huh, Because the way I kind of see it

1105
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:23,199
is that, I mean almost from the jump, Christianity is

1106
01:28:23,239 --> 01:28:29,199
having to intellectually combat the nature of all these different

1107
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,720
Nosta heresies and cults and religions. It's up against the

1108
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:37,920
Roman Empire, and so it intellectually devises all these different

1109
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,159
elements to kind of distinguish itself. I mean, the early

1110
01:28:41,239 --> 01:28:45,359
Church history is just that it is, you know, whereas

1111
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,399
Christianity is making itself unique from the cultures around it,

1112
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,279
it is choosing a unique metaphor not really choosing God

1113
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:59,239
through Christ, a unique metaphysics occurs. The Jews, on the

1114
01:28:59,239 --> 01:29:02,960
other hand, are just they're they're syncretist. They're combining all

1115
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,239
these different elements from every other culture that they're running into.

1116
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 3: But for what purpose?

1117
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,239
Speaker 2: Well that where that's where we can bring up some

1118
01:29:11,279 --> 01:29:12,319
real examples from.

1119
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 1: Before before we move on from narcissism. I just wanted

1120
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:20,479
to I just wanted to throw this out there for

1121
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,479
people who and I'm somebody who went to a church

1122
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,439
where they gave you a piece of cracker and a

1123
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:32,600
little cup of juice. The way the Gnostic heresy was

1124
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,600
commonly argued in the late first century, I mean this

1125
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,880
can this was late first century and kept going for

1126
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:45,159
a couple of centuries was transubstantiation. If you deny that

1127
01:29:45,279 --> 01:29:49,000
Jesus came in the flesh, then you deny that the

1128
01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:55,039
bread becomes the flesh. That's exactly how that That's exactly

1129
01:29:55,079 --> 01:30:01,159
the main argument that was made by people like Stagnacious

1130
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:05,159
of Antioch. So I just want to I just want

1131
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:07,239
to throw that out there for people who were like.

1132
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 3: And you're quite literally denying the flesh, Yeah, yours. You're

1133
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,800
denying the son. If you're denying the son, you deny

1134
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:14,159
the Father.

1135
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 2: Yep. And I can actually also prove that as well.

1136
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:23,960
So I guess, I guess I'm going to start with.

1137
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:29,960
So I read Saint Chrisistom's discourses against Judaizing Christians, and

1138
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,199
the ADL recently put out something saying that Saint Chrisistom

1139
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,840
shouldn't be read and should be like removed from any

1140
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:39,319
kind of Ye.

1141
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:40,399
Speaker 3: That's how it's good.

1142
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's like, oh cool, like thanks for

1143
01:30:43,239 --> 01:30:46,039
the reading list, but I own a copy of this

1144
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,680
and I decided for myself what to read. And my

1145
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,359
priest even told me, he's like, yeah, at the time,

1146
01:30:51,399 --> 01:30:53,079
I was a catechumen, and he said to me, like,

1147
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,239
you might just want to don't take it personally what

1148
01:30:56,279 --> 01:30:59,600
they're saying here, But uh so I read these and

1149
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:04,199
at the time time for context, Saint Chrisisdom is in

1150
01:31:04,279 --> 01:31:09,600
the third century near East, and he's in the Great

1151
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:14,960
Church of the City. And at the time, Christianity and

1152
01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:18,680
jew Judaism are for lack of a better term, coexisting,

1153
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,920
but it's not seamless. Judaism at this time was still proselytizing,

1154
01:31:23,359 --> 01:31:25,720
and that sounds kind of crazy. How is that possible?

1155
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,359
The Jews that we know today are not proselytizing to

1156
01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:32,840
the goyame. Well, what people would do in this syncretic

1157
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,760
world where Christianity is small and fledgling, if they're not Christian,

1158
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,960
what are they doing? Well, they're trying to kind of

1159
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,159
hedge their bets with a divine So what people will

1160
01:31:42,199 --> 01:31:45,640
do is in the three hundreds, they need like a

1161
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,119
boon for something, they need luck, they have a event

1162
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:51,520
that they're trying to get good fortune on, they would

1163
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,439
try to cover their bases. They'd go to the church,

1164
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,520
and they'd go to the synagogue, and they would try

1165
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,439
to get the blessing from all the local religions, because

1166
01:31:59,319 --> 01:32:03,359
that's just if you don't understand theology and you want

1167
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as much luck as possible, why wouldn't you. And for

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01:32:06,039 --> 01:32:09,119
Saint Christistom, that is a gigantic sin, and for any Christian,

1169
01:32:09,159 --> 01:32:12,520
a gigantic sin. You don't confess multiple religions, you confess

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01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:17,199
Christ period. But Saint Chris system says a lot of

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01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:19,399
things about the Jews. He says in one of his homilies,

1172
01:32:21,239 --> 01:32:23,720
when so many blessings from heaven came into their hands,

1173
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,079
they thrust them aside, and we're at great pains to

1174
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:30,199
reject them. The mourning Sun of justice, that's sun of

1175
01:32:30,359 --> 01:32:33,600
justice arose for them, but they thrust aside its rays

1176
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:37,119
and still sit in darkness. We, who were nurtured by darkness,

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01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,760
drew the light to ourselves and were freed from the

1178
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,840
gloom of their error. They were branches of that holy root,

1179
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:46,079
but those branches were broken from their childhood. They were

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01:32:46,119 --> 01:32:50,119
the prophets, but they crucified him whom the prophets had foretold,

1181
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,399
and this will make your the hair stand up on

1182
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,039
your next stormy. So the godlessness of the Jews and

1183
01:32:57,079 --> 01:33:00,000
the Pagans is on a par but the Jews practic

1184
01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:03,079
this a deceit, which is more dangerous. In their synagogue

1185
01:33:03,279 --> 01:33:07,119
stands an invisible altar of deceit, on which they sacrifice

1186
01:33:07,159 --> 01:33:11,680
not sheep and calves, but the souls of men. And

1187
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:15,800
there's a separate item on the eve of Pasca in

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01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:21,159
honor around the year three hundred, he explicitly points out.

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01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:26,560
And people might not know this, the Jewish Passover and

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01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:33,039
the Christian Pasca Easter in English occurs on a very

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01:33:33,079 --> 01:33:37,079
close date, and even at that time, chronologically it occurred

1192
01:33:37,079 --> 01:33:39,960
at the very similar date. So of course chrisystem who's

1193
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,680
trying to keep a separation between the Jews and Christians,

1194
01:33:43,039 --> 01:33:46,960
has to differentiate between Passover of the Jewish kind and

1195
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,600
the Pasca Easter of the Christian kind. And he says

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01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,479
in his third discourse, do you not see that their

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01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,720
passover is the type? Well, our Pasca is the truth.

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01:33:57,199 --> 01:34:00,279
Look at the tremendous difference between them. The pass Over

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01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:04,319
of the Jews prevented bodily death, whereas the Pasca quelled

1200
01:34:04,399 --> 01:34:07,680
God's anger against the whole world. The Passover of Old

1201
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,359
freed the Jews from Egypt. Well, the Pasca of Christ

1202
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,880
has set us free from idolatry. The Passover drowned to

1203
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,800
the Pharaoh, but the Pasca drowned the devil. After the

1204
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,920
Passover came Palestine. But after the Pasca will come Heaven.

1205
01:34:24,079 --> 01:34:27,920
So there's a lot of metaphysical significance and the differences

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01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:31,119
between that holiday. So this is just another point that

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01:34:31,239 --> 01:34:34,399
there is not like a slight deviation between these religions.

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01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:40,159
Speaker 3: No, I mean, what does Paul say to the Galatians, right,

1209
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:44,279
literally Paul's letter to the Galatians Galatians, this is like

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01:34:44,399 --> 01:34:47,439
early Christianity, what isn't But I can't remember if it

1211
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:51,319
was in Greece or Rome the Galatians were, but basically

1212
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:58,560
in hostile territory, early early early Church. And he's talking

1213
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:07,760
about the Judaizing heresy. He speaks literally about circumcision, right,

1214
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:13,279
because the christ the Jews see the young Christians and go, oh, yeah,

1215
01:35:13,399 --> 01:35:16,920
you're Christ. Yeah he was, he was one of our guys.

1216
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,800
But you see, you're doing the the Christian stuff all right,

1217
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,920
but you're missing all the super secret stuff, right, all

1218
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:30,800
the secret you know, Hebrew stuff. So you got to

1219
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,600
cut the tip of your cocks off like us. And

1220
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,119
that's how you really really do the Christian stuff. You

1221
01:35:38,199 --> 01:35:41,680
got to be like Christ, right, Yeah, well he was

1222
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:47,439
one of us. He had the secret cocksnip. The funny thing.

1223
01:35:47,359 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 2: Is that didn't they were done in the year that

1224
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,239
didn't They didn't just stay in the ear like fifty eighty.

1225
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:57,520
Speaker 3: The crazy part is that Paul basically says to them, right,

1226
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:59,520
if you think you're going to go through the killers

1227
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,600
of Christ to learn how to be a Christian, right,

1228
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,239
or you know, basically through the king the kills of

1229
01:36:05,319 --> 01:36:08,039
Christ to get to the Kingdom, maybe it is best

1230
01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:13,119
that your talks were cut off. Like so, I mean that,

1231
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:18,640
and this is coming from somebody who formerly was a Jew,

1232
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,840
and he's telling Christians like you need to have nothing

1233
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:23,159
to do.

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01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 2: With this, right.

1235
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 3: If you look at the like it's right there in scripture.

1236
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:29,920
You don't even need to know ancient history.

1237
01:36:31,039 --> 01:36:33,399
Speaker 2: I don't have the passages from the Talmud pulled up.

1238
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:34,960
And if you just google a lot of our guy,

1239
01:36:35,039 --> 01:36:36,439
if you look up a lot of our guys on Twitter,

1240
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,479
you'll see the Talmudic passages of how they view Christ

1241
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,920
and treat Christ. But I didn't just want to go

1242
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,680
with that, because that'd be a little bit of a softball.

1243
01:36:44,359 --> 01:36:46,640
I wanted to look later on. So I wanted to

1244
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:52,680
look after this my money in philosophy. I wanted to

1245
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,600
look after the year one thousand for how the Jews

1246
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,399
would grapple with Christianity, because I think if you look

1247
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,199
at the more ancient texts, it doesn't to just be gnosticism.

1248
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:06,600
And I wanted to understand, outside of a very strict

1249
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:12,479
Romanic understanding, how did the actual average Jewish person refute Christianity. Well,

1250
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,279
the best source for a medieval Jewish attempt at refuting

1251
01:37:15,359 --> 01:37:21,000
Christianity is the Nisahnvitis. It's written I can't find the

1252
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:29,119
author attribution, but essentially what happened was during and prior

1253
01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:31,960
to the Inquisition, a lot of Jews were genuinely converting

1254
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,800
to Christianity. Obviously not all of them. There were a

1255
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,600
lot of issues with this, That's why the Inquisition happened.

1256
01:37:40,279 --> 01:37:43,880
A big item is that these Jewish converts to Christianity,

1257
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:48,720
the genuine ones, they would inform the Christian priests and

1258
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:54,479
bishops about what the Jewish arguments were against Christ. So

1259
01:37:54,680 --> 01:38:00,199
this actually improved the Christian ability to dispute Judaism. And

1260
01:38:00,279 --> 01:38:04,880
so this text is actually the Jewish refutation against these

1261
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:11,399
improved specific arguments. And there's a lot of quotes. Basically,

1262
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,399
this text goes through the entire Old and New Testament

1263
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,800
and tries to call out all the different trinitarian references

1264
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:20,199
to Christ and tries to disprove a bunch of things

1265
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:23,079
in the New Testament. And so what I'm going to say,

1266
01:38:23,319 --> 01:38:26,319
I mean, it's technically heresy, but it's you know, I

1267
01:38:26,359 --> 01:38:30,680
say this as a source. This is not my own words.

1268
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,319
So much of the argumentation, So, like, why don't Jews

1269
01:38:34,319 --> 01:38:37,359
accept Christ? Well, in the modern world, people will tell

1270
01:38:37,399 --> 01:38:42,199
you that Christ it could be like a really bad,

1271
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:45,199
blasphemous thing that I'm just not going to say. But

1272
01:38:45,319 --> 01:38:48,800
like the mildest form of criticism of Christ and Judaism

1273
01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:53,039
is that he was like a misunderstood rabbi. Basically, that

1274
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:55,439
his followers just didn't really know what was going on,

1275
01:38:55,560 --> 01:39:00,560
and that Christ was actually preaching Judaism and that his

1276
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:05,479
followers misunderstood him. That's like the absolute most charitable Jewish

1277
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:10,039
interpretation of Christ's life and activities. But there's a bunch

1278
01:39:10,079 --> 01:39:14,319
of other crazy stuff. Much of the argument of the

1279
01:39:14,399 --> 01:39:19,199
Jewish attempt at refuting Christianity is the refusal to accept

1280
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:22,600
the completeness of the Trinity. It just doesn't I really

1281
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:26,800
see that. Judaism in the medieval texts does not understand

1282
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:30,680
the thorough completeness and unity of the Trinity. Like there's

1283
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,279
one passage in the text Vieira I love. It equates

1284
01:39:34,279 --> 01:39:38,720
the father son relationship between God the Father and Christ.

1285
01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:42,520
They equate that relationship to a human relationship. They don't

1286
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:46,239
understand why Christ is what he would say, what he

1287
01:39:46,279 --> 01:39:51,920
would say. In vayashev Yakov they claim that Jesus was hanged,

1288
01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:55,439
So at multiple points in this text they don't actually

1289
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,880
admit that Christ was crucified. They claim that Christ was

1290
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:03,520
hanged in the El Shamot. They claim that Jesus knew

1291
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:07,119
magic from Egypt and that he had spent two years there,

1292
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,479
And they follow this up this will you like this

1293
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,439
one stormy. The rabbis say that ten measures of magic

1294
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:20,239
came down into the world from Egypt. Egypt took Egypt

1295
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,760
took nine of these for itself and the rest of

1296
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:26,359
the world took one. I just thought that was a

1297
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:30,000
very eerie statement. The formal refutation of the So the

1298
01:40:30,319 --> 01:40:35,039
Christians argue that the Shamah prayer is actually an argument

1299
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:37,119
for the trinity. If you look at the English text

1300
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,560
of it. I'm not going to say it because it's heresy.

1301
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:45,159
There is a trinity in this, It's Deuteronomy sixty four.

1302
01:40:46,119 --> 01:40:50,199
Their refutation of this is that Deuteronomy six five says

1303
01:40:50,359 --> 01:40:53,960
Lord your God, which is only two names, and therefore,

1304
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:55,960
because the line after it has two names and the

1305
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:59,439
first line has three, that the Shamah isn't actually a trinity.

1306
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,720
You know. It's these kind of semantic bs word games,

1307
01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:06,520
and the argumentation against Christ just it just continues to

1308
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:09,560
get worse and worse. And I say these so people

1309
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,920
just have like a better understanding of how weak Jewish

1310
01:41:13,079 --> 01:41:18,640
counter arguments to Christianity are. Strangely, while criticizing baptism, So basically,

1311
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:22,720
Jews say, in this text, what sort of sin and

1312
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:27,560
impurity is removed by baptism. That's crazy even from a

1313
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,640
Jewish perspective, because Jews have the Mikphah, which is a

1314
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:35,119
ritual bath of water that they go into before Yom Kapor,

1315
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:39,239
before repentance. So this is like a deliberate I mean,

1316
01:41:39,279 --> 01:41:45,920
they're just pretending not to misunderstand. Ye. Another thing, So yeah,

1317
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,119
go ahead.

1318
01:41:47,399 --> 01:41:53,119
Speaker 3: I was going to pivot to demon worship in Judaism.

1319
01:41:53,279 --> 01:41:56,239
Speaker 2: I'll wrap it up in just a like another minute

1320
01:41:56,279 --> 01:42:00,319
or two. I'll just finish this out. And they so

1321
01:42:00,399 --> 01:42:03,119
Christ fasts for forty days and then they ask a

1322
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:05,960
stupid question, what kind of God needs human food and drink?

1323
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:08,760
So this isn't this doesn't even rise to the level

1324
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,960
of like an Astorian heresy where they can comprehend like

1325
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:16,760
a separation between the divine and human components of God.

1326
01:42:17,279 --> 01:42:19,800
It's it's just a it's a blatant understanding to like

1327
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,159
a deliberately choosing not to understand that there's any kind

1328
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:27,439
of divinity in here. It's like a kindergartener's argument against it, right,

1329
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:32,359
you know. Another element, even in the language, they can't

1330
01:42:32,399 --> 01:42:36,319
differentiate between familial siblings and siblings in Christ. So they

1331
01:42:36,319 --> 01:42:39,359
look at Isaiah and they see that there are brothers

1332
01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:41,680
and sisters in Christ, and they say, well, you know,

1333
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:45,000
Christ doesn't have any siblings. And then they also there's

1334
01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:47,239
like a chapter in the like I think it's fifty

1335
01:42:47,239 --> 01:42:51,159
two or fifty three where Christ has children, yeah them,

1336
01:42:51,279 --> 01:42:54,800
and then they they say, oh well, And Rabbi Tobias Singer,

1337
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,279
even in the twenty first century, makes this argument, well,

1338
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:00,720
Christ didn't have children, so how can you know that

1339
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,479
that prophecy is false? Well, they're not literal children. And

1340
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:07,760
even in the Hebrew relations between familial sylbey like you

1341
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:12,479
can have a abstract sibling like a brotherhood or a sisterhood,

1342
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,000
and you also can have like a god son or

1343
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,560
a god child. You can have a non literal child

1344
01:43:18,119 --> 01:43:23,479
or sibling in Judaism. So further, like every single one

1345
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,199
of Christ's miracles in the New Testament, they just minimize

1346
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:30,399
all of them. They say some really sacrilegious stuff about

1347
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:34,359
the mark account of Jesus' body and blood, and they

1348
01:43:34,399 --> 01:43:37,560
say they basically just they don't. They choose not to

1349
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:41,720
understand it when they say that there's the Jesus. When

1350
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:45,119
Christ encounters the Samaritan woman at the well Smarrian woman

1351
01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:46,800
at the well, the argument is, why does God need

1352
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:50,520
to drink water? You know, it's just these stupid arguments,

1353
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,079
over and over and over again.

1354
01:43:53,079 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 3: Wouldn't I wouldn't expect anything different.

1355
01:43:57,279 --> 01:43:59,640
Speaker 1: That that specifically is another Gnostic.

1356
01:43:59,239 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 3: Argument, exactly right, denying of the flesh yep. The Tablet

1357
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,720
Magazine's August fourteenth, twenty twelve story the Talmud and its

1358
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:15,600
Many Demons marriage everyone to read it. Chief among those demons,

1359
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:21,159
most interestingly is Joseph, the founder of Israel, according to

1360
01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:25,600
the Tumut, is a demon. This is from my Jewish learning.

1361
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,920
Joseph the Demon actually appears elsewhere in the Babylonian Talmud,

1362
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:35,439
in Trassate Pissechum, where we encounter two of his teachings.

1363
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,279
But we also have evidence of Joseph from a nontomatic

1364
01:44:38,359 --> 01:44:41,640
source of the same time period, a clay bowl ascribed

1365
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:48,880
in Aramaic with incantations against danger and dangerous demons. They

1366
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:54,840
differentiate on this one bowlt The scribes list a number

1367
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:58,640
of powerful rabbis who historically fought against the threat of

1368
01:44:59,399 --> 01:45:02,920
dangerous de dems, and one of those listed is none

1369
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:06,840
other than Rabbi Joseph the Demon. Joseph the Demon is

1370
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:11,359
a rabbinic informant and teacher of the rabbis, or perhaps

1371
01:45:11,359 --> 01:45:15,039
even a rabbi himself. In their discussion of the laws

1372
01:45:15,079 --> 01:45:19,720
of sabant and the limits of it. Then these rabbis

1373
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:24,119
are so confident in the amazing power and welcome of

1374
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:27,000
the Rabbinic community that they assume that everyone in the world,

1375
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:30,039
human and spirit would want to be a part of it.

1376
01:45:30,359 --> 01:45:35,399
Now that's a big tent exclamation point. Well, let's go

1377
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:42,039
to also my Jewish learning study on demons dibbicks dybb UKs,

1378
01:45:42,119 --> 01:45:49,880
the thing that Lex Wexner, child rapists and Israeli intelligence

1379
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:54,479
asset and also owner of Victoria's Secret says in his

1380
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:58,039
nineteen eighty five interview with The York The New Yorker

1381
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,119
lives in his head and put in his head when

1382
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:03,800
he was very young by a rabbi, and it's the

1383
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:08,520
dibbik that tells him to do things, and will suddenly

1384
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,079
wake him up at night and urge him in certain

1385
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:13,239
directions this way or the other. And it leads to

1386
01:46:13,279 --> 01:46:20,279
him making good business decisions and besting his rivals. And

1387
01:46:22,039 --> 01:46:27,720
he probably has to feed at children. But here we go.

1388
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:34,359
As compared with other ancient Near Eastern texts in which

1389
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,279
demons play a central role, the Bible is nearly silent

1390
01:46:39,159 --> 01:46:43,600
about the experience of sorry existence of supernatural beings, but

1391
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:48,680
not the Talmut. The Talmut has a rich, sometimes vague demonology.

1392
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:57,039
Houses of study, I guess the synagogues are described as

1393
01:46:57,079 --> 01:47:04,520
being full of demons, and when sexual energy is not

1394
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:12,760
properly channeled, overflowing with demons. Great rabbis are able to

1395
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perceive the demons sitting on the right and left hand

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01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:20,000
of every person. They are able to harness the divine

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01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:25,159
creative energies of these demons to create animals which can

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be consumed for food. And in the Talmudic words, in

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01:47:30,039 --> 01:47:34,680
the tematic world, spirits are everywhere. They haunt dark places, homes,

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01:47:35,279 --> 01:47:40,159
even the crumbs left on the dinner table. For example.

1401
01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:46,479
Consider the omnipresence and the omnivolence of demons described in

1402
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:53,199
the Talmud. It has been taught Abba Benjamin says, if

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01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,119
the eye had the power to see them, no creature

1404
01:47:56,159 --> 01:48:00,199
could endure the demons. They are more numerous than we are,

1405
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,640
and they surround us like the ridge around the field.

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01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:09,199
Everyone among us has thousands to his left and ten

1407
01:48:09,239 --> 01:48:17,680
thousands to his right. The crushing crowd lectures, I'm sorry,

1408
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:21,720
the crushing crowd of the color lectures come from them.

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01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:26,640
Fatigue in the knees comes from them. Rarely does the

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01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:30,079
Tumatic literature go into detail about how exactly demons and

1411
01:48:30,119 --> 01:48:33,680
magical creatures come into being, or whether they are really

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01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:40,279
independent beings. Right, But there's reason to think that the

1413
01:48:40,319 --> 01:48:43,800
texts of the Brigod are not referring to metaphorical demons,

1414
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,800
as it would go on to say, if one wants

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01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:52,000
to discover them, let him take sifted ash and sprinkle

1416
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,039
it around his bed, and in the morning he will

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01:48:55,159 --> 01:49:02,680
see something like the footprints of a rooster. Unlike the Talmud,

1418
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:08,680
Kabbalistic demonology is more detailed. Some demons are formed whenever

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01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:13,439
man improperly spills his seed. In sin.

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01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 2: Poorno, also Onanism story of On from the Bible, yep,

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01:49:25,359 --> 01:49:28,239
the same Aba Binyamin, Sorry, you've already read this, he

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01:49:28,319 --> 01:49:35,199
says in a bell khout shishuh. In another Barieta, it

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01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:38,159
was taught that Abbamin says, if the eye was given

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01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:40,880
permission to see, no creature would be able to withstand

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01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,880
the abundance and ubiquity of the demons and continue to

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01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,279
live unaffected by them.

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Speaker 3: Boy, isn't that the fucking truth? You know?

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Speaker 2: And I mean okay, like real quick, hold on ahead.

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01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 3: Other demons are as in the Christian myth rebellious angels, or,

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01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:12,199
in the case of Lilith, who appears Prime who appears

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01:50:12,199 --> 01:50:17,039
throughout the Talmud, primordial humans who were disobeyed in the

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Divine plan. All right, hold on, where my photos. Here

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01:50:23,239 --> 01:50:26,600
we go. I have another lovely bit of Talmud to

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01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:38,239
read you. Where are you miss Lilith? Uh uh oh

1435
01:50:38,359 --> 01:50:42,640
the search real quick ha ha, But oh yeah, here's

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01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:47,239
another one. But you might find interesting a lovely passage.

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01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:56,680
We're talking about demons and Satan in particular. He says

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01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:03,079
nice things about him. Where it talks about how Satan

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01:51:03,359 --> 01:51:07,880
came And here we go the Bava Batra sixteen a

1440
01:51:08,359 --> 01:51:15,000
I Samuel won six pinnah upset with Hannah in order

1441
01:51:15,039 --> 01:51:21,359
to motivate her to pray. Rev Afabar Yakov taught this

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01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:25,880
in the Papiyana, and Satan came to kiss his feet

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01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:31,800
the rabbi in gratitude for speaking so positively about him.

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01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:43,560
That's odd, but yes, there is something to seeing them.

1445
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:47,800
Once a man sees them, he is what did the

1446
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,239
passage say?

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01:51:51,359 --> 01:51:54,520
Speaker 2: Oh ah, it was.

1448
01:51:57,199 --> 01:51:58,960
Speaker 3: Sarah that one at home.

1449
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,600
Speaker 2: It was like he would basically be overwhelmed by all

1450
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,319
of them.

1451
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:07,880
Speaker 3: No, I think I said something else. Could you read it?

1452
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:13,520
You find it? I can find it. It was uh yeah,

1453
01:52:14,119 --> 01:52:14,640
here we go.

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01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here we are.

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01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 3: If the.

1456
01:52:20,359 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 2: If the eye was given permission to see, no creature

1457
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:26,000
would be able to withstand the abundance and ubiquity of

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01:52:26,039 --> 01:52:28,399
the demons and continue to live unaffected by them.

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01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the living unaffected by them is the fucking truth.

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01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:41,079
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, like that. The word for demons is literally

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01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:45,960
harmful beings, anything that causes to kay, pain and deplete.

1462
01:52:46,079 --> 01:52:47,359
So I guess there's a.

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01:52:47,359 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 3: Few Chris Lang again, chaos thing is with evil incoherence.

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01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:57,119
Speaker 2: Like these are kind of stupid counterpoints, but I want

1465
01:52:57,119 --> 01:53:00,479
to bring them up because somebody will, I think, truly

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01:53:01,399 --> 01:53:01,960
think of them.

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01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's ethoid somewhere like one.

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01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:10,039
Speaker 2: One such thing is well, the Jews knew about all

1469
01:53:10,079 --> 01:53:13,439
these things because they have such an ancient religion and

1470
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:19,119
they're just documenting encounters with demons. You know, they have

1471
01:53:19,159 --> 01:53:23,039
access to the spiritual realm, but they're putting this information

1472
01:53:23,159 --> 01:53:27,800
out there to advise people not to do it. The argument,

1473
01:53:28,039 --> 01:53:31,800
like the former Jew in me would make the argument, uh,

1474
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,960
you know, most of the Talmud is trying to get

1475
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:37,279
people to stay away from demons?

1476
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:46,720
Speaker 3: Is that true? No?

1477
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 2: But I mean I guess, I guess that's just what

1478
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:54,439
would come into mind because like the preventative measures for this.

1479
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:57,039
Speaker 3: I find it's not true.

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01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:02,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's not true because Okay, like just objectively,

1481
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,880
all the different rabbis and all the different eras are

1482
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:12,880
encountering Hellenism, they're synchronizing syncretism.

1483
01:54:12,079 --> 01:54:13,880
Speaker 3: And Greco Egyptian magic.

1484
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 2: Right, They're incorporating all of these different elements into the religion.

1485
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:20,279
There's not like a strict delineation like going back to

1486
01:54:20,319 --> 01:54:23,039
earlier like Christianity is actively looking at this stuff and

1487
01:54:23,079 --> 01:54:26,319
saying we're not going to do this. We're looking at

1488
01:54:26,359 --> 01:54:28,239
all this evil this around us we have that has

1489
01:54:28,279 --> 01:54:30,760
to stay out, has to say out. And yes, there

1490
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:34,760
are like Christian Gnostic sects or whatever, but it's not

1491
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:37,800
the main thrust of Christianity. It is the main, right

1492
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:38,640
the reason did.

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01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 3: You just said do you say I just saw the chat? Wait,

1494
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:49,600
dibbucks mean soul possessors? Yeah, oh that's gnarlish. Yeah, So

1495
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:52,720
lex Wexner has a soul possessor in there. That's nice.

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01:54:53,479 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's actually I mean people.

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01:54:56,479 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 3: I guess that's what it costs to be a millionaire.

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01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 2: If you look at stories this gosh, so if you

1499
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:06,880
look at Jewish stories, if you look at Jewish stories

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01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,600
of Eastern Europe, Like, it's not like once in a

1501
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:13,239
blue moon you'll find a year book. It's it's that

1502
01:55:13,439 --> 01:55:16,399
you're you're stepping them. You're stepping on them on the

1503
01:55:16,439 --> 01:55:19,119
way the trash, right, You're like in the kitchen and

1504
01:55:19,159 --> 01:55:22,840
they're all around you there. This is this very very

1505
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:28,239
present form of things. I mean, it's uh, okay, like

1506
01:55:29,279 --> 01:55:32,880
there's this article. It's also from my Jewish learning. You know,

1507
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:37,880
I'm learning a lot tonight. So okay, I'll just read

1508
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:42,520
this to you. Uh. In a in a gibbook instance

1509
01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:46,800
or possession, one soul sticks to another. Perhaps the departed

1510
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:50,479
soul sinister in the living person innocent. Conversely departed, the

1511
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:52,840
departed soul may have been saintly but wronged by the living.

1512
01:55:53,439 --> 01:55:55,720
In this case, the possession by a book is essentially

1513
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:59,560
punishment or revenge for an improper act or Apparently, possession

1514
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:05,720
may also so happen at random. There's like people wrote

1515
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:10,720
plays about this here in the Lurianic Kabbalah. There's also

1516
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:14,239
sometimes the soul of a departed righteous person may impregnate

1517
01:56:14,279 --> 01:56:16,199
the soul of a living person. This is called an ibor.

1518
01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:22,520
It's usually a positive, not a negative. Sometimes a righteous

1519
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:24,840
soul undergoes it so it can complete a task or

1520
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:27,960
perform a mitzvah. Sometimes it does so for the benefit

1521
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:31,319
of the host soul. Really, it is no different from

1522
01:56:31,319 --> 01:56:34,439
possion than a jibuk, but practically speaking their polar opposites.

1523
01:56:35,079 --> 01:56:37,880
In all of these cases, the ordinary processes of life

1524
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:41,319
energy are being diverted for other positive or negative reasons,

1525
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:45,520
and life energy, above all is powerful when put to

1526
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,760
proper ends. The transmission of life energy by any means

1527
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:51,439
of sex or supernatural activity is the godly act of

1528
01:56:51,479 --> 01:56:54,800
maintaining the cosmic flow. But anything that powerful can also

1529
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:59,279
create great evil. Then it goes into the story of

1530
01:56:59,279 --> 01:57:01,840
the Golam, and you know, it's a whole nother freaking

1531
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:04,520
I mean, most people know the Gola of Prague, but

1532
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:09,399
that's another. Uh, It's like, well.

1533
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 3: Another one of these demons besides Lilith who I can

1534
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:17,079
get into it at a later date, not tonight, is

1535
01:57:17,279 --> 01:57:19,840
h end or Witch. I don't know if you've ever

1536
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:28,479
heard of it. No, it's a very evil old woman here.

1537
01:57:29,039 --> 01:57:31,680
I just saw it because there's a specific listener that

1538
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:37,520
I think will be listening to this that really doesn't

1539
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:41,520
like evil old women demons.

1540
01:57:42,319 --> 01:57:43,159
Speaker 2: I mean, does anyone?

1541
01:57:43,359 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 3: Hopefully No? No, So I hope I can find something

1542
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,760
for him.

1543
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:53,439
Speaker 2: And I have another like another like gay counterpoint. But

1544
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:55,279
I just this is stuff that when I hear you

1545
01:57:55,319 --> 01:57:56,279
talk on other podcasts.

1546
01:57:56,319 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 3: Occurring in the heat Witch of Endor, occurring in the

1547
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:04,119
Hebrew Bible, was con consulted by Saul to summon the

1548
01:58:04,159 --> 01:58:09,880
spirit of the prophet Samuel. She's a necromancer. Saul wished

1549
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:16,319
to receive advice on defeating the Philistines in battle, after

1550
01:58:16,359 --> 01:58:22,199
prior attempts to consult God through sacrifices and sacred lots

1551
01:58:22,359 --> 01:58:26,640
and other means had failed. However, what was summoned, whether

1552
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:29,359
the actual ghost of Samuel or a spirit in personing him.

1553
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:33,279
The latter delivered a prophecy of doom against Saul and

1554
01:58:33,319 --> 01:58:42,279
his armies, who were defeated per the prophecy. So apparently, wait,

1555
01:58:42,279 --> 01:58:45,119
why does this person, why does this person? In my

1556
01:58:45,239 --> 01:58:50,680
Jewish learning, tell me why this person has this evil

1557
01:58:50,720 --> 01:59:00,920
which has a repeat presence in Judaism the eborb. There

1558
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:05,520
are other possessions possibilities that may happen as well. A

1559
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:10,800
soul may visit a person during sleep, bringing messages from

1560
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:13,239
beyond our prophecies about the future, or it may haunt

1561
01:59:13,239 --> 01:59:18,560
a place, as in popular stories. Sometimes the soul of

1562
01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:22,159
a departed righteous person may impregnate the soul of a

1563
01:59:22,199 --> 01:59:26,800
living person. The process is the process is described by

1564
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:30,239
Lurianic kabbala. That's the gnarly one with all the black

1565
01:59:30,279 --> 01:59:36,279
magics's well, they're both gross and heretical and should be burned.

1566
01:59:36,439 --> 01:59:40,279
But the Lurianic kabbala is what gave us our lovely

1567
01:59:40,319 --> 01:59:41,119
Shabbat friends.

1568
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:44,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to say a few more words

1569
01:59:44,199 --> 01:59:47,279
about that, because if people there might be a people

1570
01:59:47,319 --> 01:59:49,760
that are listening to this thinking like, well, okay, you're

1571
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:53,079
looking at some like doctrine and this is medieval history

1572
01:59:53,159 --> 01:59:57,720
or whatever. When I lived in Israel, I actually met

1573
01:59:57,720 --> 02:00:01,600
one of these rabbis and what he did was really interesting.

1574
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:05,000
One of my friends at the time was complaining about

1575
02:00:05,039 --> 02:00:08,119
evil spirits in the house. You know, just couldn't sleep

1576
02:00:08,199 --> 02:00:10,239
right and nothing was going right. His life was a mess,

1577
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:12,720
and what the rabbi did was the rabbi came into

1578
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:16,520
the house and you know, he made the friends sit

1579
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:18,840
on like a very specific chair, and then he went

1580
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:22,600
around the entire house rearranging all of the objects within

1581
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:25,039
the house, Like all the furniture had to be moved

1582
02:00:25,039 --> 02:00:27,479
to different places, and all the little things that were

1583
02:00:27,479 --> 02:00:29,720
stacked everywhere had to all be like laid out a

1584
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:32,720
very certain way. And there was you know, there's number

1585
02:00:33,239 --> 02:00:37,720
the count is involved. And also like there's certain things

1586
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:41,840
that are said, like incantations, and this is not regarded

1587
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:46,239
there as some like wo wo Madonna crystal magic crap,

1588
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:51,239
like this is very serious stuff to the Krabbadniks.

1589
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:56,039
Speaker 3: And also that probably sounds a lot like fung shwe,

1590
02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:02,800
who in Western culture is exactly what Filer has described,

1591
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:08,800
dumb crystal bitches like Madonna whatever. In China, funng Shwe

1592
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:12,560
is a type of magic, a very very very serious

1593
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:17,560
magic that involves the summoning of removing of spirits and demons.

1594
02:01:19,279 --> 02:01:24,199
So yeah, there is another reference. We were talking about

1595
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:31,560
mysticisms and demonologies of the East finding their way into Judaism.

1596
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:34,600
I think that is a lovely place for one to look.

1597
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:37,319
I bet you could mine a lot of information out

1598
02:01:37,319 --> 02:01:40,800
of there, because what you just described is identical to

1599
02:01:41,319 --> 02:01:46,600
the Chinese magic of fung shui, which unfortunately it's just

1600
02:01:46,640 --> 02:01:49,159
been the word has just been shot out by crystal

1601
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:52,479
bitches and burning man faggots. But that is not how

1602
02:01:52,479 --> 02:01:55,800
the Chinese see it. It is very serious business.

1603
02:01:56,439 --> 02:01:59,319
Speaker 2: And you might also have a natural follow up question, listener,

1604
02:01:59,399 --> 02:02:02,600
which is how do these Jewish and Chinese cultures meet

1605
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:05,760
in the ancient world? Well, the answer is the Silk Road.

1606
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:09,920
Like those sources I brought up earlier, from Hecateus to

1607
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:15,399
Theo Frustratus and Indica of Megasthenes, all of these different

1608
02:02:15,439 --> 02:02:19,760
ancient Greek rulers, they knew about India, They did trade

1609
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:22,279
with India, they knew of these cultures. They were writing

1610
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:25,600
with primary sources. The Greek world, in its trade routes

1611
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:28,399
stretched all the way to India. And this is not

1612
02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:32,560
a one way street. I've been to an art museum,

1613
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:35,079
an Asian art museum. I won't say which city, but

1614
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:41,119
there is a Hellenized statue of Christ that they actually

1615
02:02:41,159 --> 02:02:44,199
found in India about two hundred years after the life

1616
02:02:44,199 --> 02:02:46,359
of Christ. And you might also ask, well, how the

1617
02:02:46,359 --> 02:02:48,399
heck do how can you prove that Jews got to

1618
02:02:48,439 --> 02:02:51,119
India there is pottery?

1619
02:02:51,359 --> 02:03:00,720
Speaker 3: Well, because the Indians are so fucking Jewish? Sorry, really are?

1620
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:01,960
You know?

1621
02:03:02,039 --> 02:03:04,239
Speaker 2: Let's see here. I won't be able to you know,

1622
02:03:04,279 --> 02:03:06,239
I won't waste time googling it. But there's this little

1623
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:11,079
handmade Chinese statue from about the year six hundred BC.

1624
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:14,119
And it's a statue of a Jewish merchant with a

1625
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:16,199
giant patch a pack of goods. And they found it

1626
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:19,800
right smack dab in the middle of China. And so

1627
02:03:20,319 --> 02:03:23,000
Jews were going to China at this time. And actually,

1628
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:28,319
if you look into what Jews consider lost tribes, this

1629
02:03:28,399 --> 02:03:31,840
is like some other whack lore. But there's supposedly, just

1630
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:34,920
as there are lost tribes of Jews in Ethiopia, there

1631
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:39,079
are lost tribes of Judaism within India as well as

1632
02:03:39,159 --> 02:03:44,800
within China. These are supposedly Jewish sects of people that

1633
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:48,159
have continued their tradition since the Jewish merchants went there

1634
02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:53,479
along the Silk Road. And I think it's very apparent

1635
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:57,479
that a lot of these primary source Hellenistic writers, they're

1636
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:01,319
not just bouncing theology but between like a binary of

1637
02:04:01,399 --> 02:04:05,840
Christianity and Hellenism. Or pagan items. I mean, I think

1638
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:09,039
that narrows the field to what it actually was. I

1639
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:13,640
think it's quite apparent that there are further Eastern ideas

1640
02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:17,119
that are circulating among people people. I mean, if you

1641
02:04:17,159 --> 02:04:22,279
look at a map, the Babylonian world was further east

1642
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:25,359
than people can imagine in their minds. I mean, this

1643
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:29,079
was this broad world. And also that the climate was different,

1644
02:04:29,439 --> 02:04:32,760
that it existed in a time where the Middle East

1645
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:35,079
was not as dry as it was today. It was

1646
02:04:35,159 --> 02:04:38,560
much more wet, which means, you know, it's a lot

1647
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:41,560
easier to pass across these different areas. The geography was

1648
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:46,520
quite different. So I guess I'm just kind of going.

1649
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:53,119
But I mean, I think it's very important that people

1650
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:56,399
get an understanding of like why this is like a problem.

1651
02:04:56,439 --> 02:04:58,640
Because another counter argument, and I don't even want to

1652
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:02,039
dignify it by calling it account argument. People will just

1653
02:05:02,079 --> 02:05:03,840
say like, yeah, so what you know, I can go

1654
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:05,479
to the bookstore and I can get to ro cards

1655
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:09,880
and I can get all this other stuff, like I

1656
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:12,359
can do a seance, I can get you know, I

1657
02:05:12,359 --> 02:05:17,479
can type AI stuff, I can whatever. I think. I mean,

1658
02:05:17,479 --> 02:05:21,640
my personal opinion here is as an Orthodox Christian, you

1659
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:24,279
don't do any of it. There's no crystal stuff, there's

1660
02:05:24,319 --> 02:05:29,560
no touro stuff. Anything that you do it is explicitly

1661
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:31,560
Christian or you don't touch it. And it's not because

1662
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:37,039
of some superstition, and it's certainly not because of any

1663
02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:39,279
kind of ignorance of the evil of this. I think

1664
02:05:39,319 --> 02:05:43,279
this is actually an overfamiliarization of the evils of magic.

1665
02:05:43,319 --> 02:05:46,279
If you look at the Church Fathers, they're very, very

1666
02:05:46,319 --> 02:05:49,760
explicit in warning people about this stuff, and all of

1667
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:53,079
this I think has like the same metaphysical origin point

1668
02:05:53,079 --> 02:05:55,119
of being. I don't know if this is the right

1669
02:05:55,199 --> 02:05:57,399
term for a stormy, but it's like a portal to evil.

1670
02:05:58,119 --> 02:05:59,640
I've seen a lot of articles to make it a

1671
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:01,920
little bit more relevant to the modern day now. I've

1672
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:03,960
seen a lot of articles of people that will start

1673
02:06:05,239 --> 02:06:08,960
thinking their profits because they type stuff to AI and

1674
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:13,520
they'll kill themselves and there'll be all kinds of crazy

1675
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:18,359
things that will happen. And I think you know one

1676
02:06:18,399 --> 02:06:21,359
point that you've set on your podcast with Astrol, which

1677
02:06:21,399 --> 02:06:24,680
is excellent, I recommend people listen to it, and I

1678
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:27,920
don't Astro. If you're listening to this, I understand why

1679
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:31,359
you wouldn't trust me like I think you almost no

1680
02:06:31,399 --> 02:06:34,479
one ever really meets a Jewish sincere Jewish convert to Christianity,

1681
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:39,760
so I don't hold him against him. I think when

1682
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:43,000
you look at the nature of this magic, you don't

1683
02:06:43,039 --> 02:06:46,640
have to do magic deliberately with evil in mind. It's

1684
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:49,239
the mechanism. When you open yourself up to this stuff,

1685
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:53,479
evil throw flows through it to you. You don't channel it.

1686
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:55,600
I mean, this is another part that the rabbis talk

1687
02:06:55,600 --> 02:06:58,720
about over and over and over again. The reason you know,

1688
02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:01,039
you're setting up all these wars against all these different

1689
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:05,359
demonic influences within Judaism, and some of it's crazy. Some

1690
02:07:05,399 --> 02:07:08,039
of it's like, don't take a piss between a palm

1691
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:11,119
tree and the wall of your house if it's two

1692
02:07:11,159 --> 02:07:15,079
cubits wide, because you'll let the demons in. That's how legalistic.

1693
02:07:15,199 --> 02:07:20,560
A lot of the the quote stuff gets and looking

1694
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:23,159
within the miss now like a vast majority of it

1695
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:25,079
is mundane law, but a lot of it is these

1696
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:28,359
just rules protecting people over and over and over and

1697
02:07:28,359 --> 02:07:32,720
over again. And they don't just do that just because

1698
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:37,199
the priest caste is extremely aware of I'm not going

1699
02:07:37,279 --> 02:07:41,359
to say how to control evil, but they know how

1700
02:07:41,399 --> 02:07:44,319
it enters, and they know, they know exactly how it

1701
02:07:44,359 --> 02:07:47,239
spreads through people. And if you look at the Old Testament,

1702
02:07:47,359 --> 02:07:51,520
I mean there's a lot of smiting. There's a lot

1703
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:56,079
of smiting going on. So kind of rambling a little

1704
02:07:56,079 --> 02:08:02,199
bit there, but I'm very you know I one thing

1705
02:08:02,199 --> 02:08:05,479
I really appreciate about Orthodox Christianity and other forms of

1706
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:08,680
Christianity is you don't touch all this stuff. I mean,

1707
02:08:08,720 --> 02:08:11,560
even the like Satanic panic or the whole like don't

1708
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:16,479
read Harry Potter, it's Satanism and people laugh at that stuff.

1709
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:19,079
But then to bring it back to the start, look

1710
02:08:19,119 --> 02:08:24,800
at this tranny shooter from earlier today. This can't be

1711
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:30,680
explained through some stupid materialist or purely psychological reason. This

1712
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:34,760
is not just like a simple oh this person took pill,

1713
02:08:36,119 --> 02:08:39,680
they went a little nuts and they got angry at someone.

1714
02:08:40,479 --> 02:08:44,239
This is just it's an unleashed demon. You can't really

1715
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:47,880
see it as any other way. And also if you

1716
02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:50,000
notice the thing, I mean, this just got me so mad.

1717
02:08:50,439 --> 02:08:55,000
The mayor of Minneapolis went on TV and said, don't

1718
02:08:55,000 --> 02:09:00,239
pray for the kids. Jewish mayor, you know that don't

1719
02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:01,439
even know the words for how angry it is. I

1720
02:09:01,439 --> 02:09:07,119
don't want to yell into my mic because it's not good.

1721
02:09:08,239 --> 02:09:11,039
Speaker 3: That's funny because one of the Krassenstein brothers happened to

1722
02:09:11,039 --> 02:09:15,359
say the exact same thing, don't pray. Prayer started this,

1723
02:09:15,439 --> 02:09:19,640
don't pray. Why are all the Jews suddenly on the

1724
02:09:19,640 --> 02:09:24,439
same page about how to respond to this? Hmm, that's

1725
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:28,319
really weird. Brian Krastenstein says the exact same thing, and

1726
02:09:28,399 --> 02:09:32,439
I believe you said it right before. I think, I

1727
02:09:32,640 --> 02:09:38,119
just here, let me talk on my timeline.

1728
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean, just to spell it out while you're finding it,

1729
02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:43,439
to make it very plain. There's not like a telegram

1730
02:09:43,479 --> 02:09:46,760
group where the Krassenstein brothers and the mayor of Minneapolis

1731
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:50,439
are coordinating messaging to each other. There's no Emily's List here.

1732
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:54,439
This is not like a centralized message that's being put out.

1733
02:09:54,840 --> 02:09:58,560
This is like an automatic reaction. And you really have

1734
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:02,840
to think spiritually about where this reaction is coming from,

1735
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:03,640
because it's.

1736
02:10:03,439 --> 02:10:10,600
Speaker 3: Not where it's there you go eleven hours ago. Praying

1737
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:13,159
is the problem. You're not the solution. People use prayer

1738
02:10:13,239 --> 02:10:15,439
instead of action. If prayer has worked, a house of

1739
02:10:15,439 --> 02:10:19,720
prayer wouldn't have just gotten shot up. I bet you

1740
02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:22,159
wouldn't say that if that was a synagogue.

1741
02:10:22,039 --> 02:10:27,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. It makes me dam well.

1742
02:10:27,319 --> 02:10:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, one of the one of the things we're

1743
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:32,720
seeing is the immediate politicization of this.

1744
02:10:32,920 --> 02:10:33,680
Speaker 3: So the.

1745
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:39,359
Speaker 1: Like Laura Lumer, of course, I mean just a complete

1746
02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:44,039
and utter psychopath, and you know somebody that please don't

1747
02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:49,880
let it if you have kids and she's around, hide them.

1748
02:10:50,600 --> 02:10:53,680
Speaker 3: Well, apparently you definitely shouldn't campaign for either.

1749
02:10:55,119 --> 02:11:02,279
Speaker 1: The Apparently the this shooter alleged I don't really believe

1750
02:11:02,319 --> 02:11:07,640
anything until you know someone I trust tells me is true,

1751
02:11:08,479 --> 02:11:11,720
had a whole bunch of anti Jewish stuff written out too.

1752
02:11:12,640 --> 02:11:16,680
And so the Jews are making this about them. Screw

1753
02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:19,560
the Christian yes, screw the Catholics that died.

1754
02:11:19,960 --> 02:11:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just happened to say. The shooter happened to

1755
02:11:22,600 --> 02:11:26,760
say two or three anti Semitic phrases before opening up. Apparently,

1756
02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:31,279
but yet kills a bunch of Christians, drives past the synagogue,

1757
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:36,439
and this is all about Jewish politicians, house, drive past, literally,

1758
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:39,319
Jewish community centers, drive past all of these places to

1759
02:11:39,319 --> 02:11:42,439
go shoot up Christians, but just happens to say something

1760
02:11:42,439 --> 02:11:47,279
anti Semitic before shooting. He literally has anti Christian suffering

1761
02:11:47,319 --> 02:11:50,840
on his rifle. That makes me super suspicious considering who

1762
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:51,600
the guy's mom is.

1763
02:11:53,079 --> 02:11:58,640
Speaker 1: Well, and also the he drove Apparently he drove past

1764
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:03,079
the Holocaust Museum too, oh Man, of which I assume

1765
02:12:03,439 --> 02:12:09,479
Minneapolis probably has considering how old the Jewish community. The

1766
02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:14,359
oldest Jewish daily newspaper in the United States was it

1767
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:16,800
was in Minnesota. It was Minneapolis.

1768
02:12:17,119 --> 02:12:22,000
Speaker 2: At Minneapolis, they're having a real problem there with I mean,

1769
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:27,800
it's basically like Jewish versus some political control. I mean

1770
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,560
that the Democrats there are a vast majority of them

1771
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:33,199
are Jewish.

1772
02:12:32,439 --> 02:12:35,399
Speaker 1: And they're columns.

1773
02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:38,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this is this is like what happens.

1774
02:12:38,439 --> 02:12:40,319
I mean, Stormy, I told you the whole story of

1775
02:12:40,359 --> 02:12:44,439
like the Prague Golum and uh, you know, for people

1776
02:12:44,439 --> 02:12:47,079
that don't know, like I guess, okay, I bring up

1777
02:12:47,079 --> 02:12:49,399
all this like magic and Judaism and stuff, and people

1778
02:12:49,399 --> 02:12:50,880
are gonna be like, wow, I'm gonna go look at it,

1779
02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:55,600
and it sounds very trite and ass covering. But don't

1780
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:58,720
look at this stuff like I became a Christian to

1781
02:12:58,760 --> 02:13:02,159
avoid all this stuff. You're looking at like real genuine evil.

1782
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:06,680
This is not this is not like casual crystal magic.

1783
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:09,720
I mean this stuff, I mean destroys souls. It'll take

1784
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:14,319
your soul, you know. Don't listen to me, listen to

1785
02:13:14,319 --> 02:13:18,079
the saints on it. But anyway, so the goal the

1786
02:13:18,079 --> 02:13:25,000
Prog Golum story, so essentially this there's about to be

1787
02:13:25,039 --> 02:13:27,159
a pogram in Prague I think was the original lore.

1788
02:13:27,399 --> 02:13:32,319
And they built this gold amount of clay, these two rabbis,

1789
02:13:32,319 --> 02:13:34,760
and they have like all the rabbis and the golm

1790
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:38,720
and everything, they all have like kabbalistic names. I mean,

1791
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:40,760
if you look into the names of it, I'd have

1792
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:43,199
to scroll back on our chat, but you can see

1793
02:13:43,319 --> 02:13:47,199
very obviously this is not like any any kind of

1794
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:51,680
Torah derived theology. This is all cobbal And so they

1795
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:54,359
build a gold out of clay. It's like easily ten

1796
02:13:54,439 --> 02:13:59,880
stories tall, and they sick it on the goy population

1797
02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:04,079
of Prog and it goes, supposedly in the Jewish law,

1798
02:14:05,279 --> 02:14:08,279
smites everyone who is going to harm the Jews. So

1799
02:14:08,319 --> 02:14:11,880
the mindset is the people that are out there that

1800
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:16,279
are going to harm the Jews are like pure unsavable evil,

1801
02:14:16,359 --> 02:14:19,159
so it'll just go and kill them all. And then

1802
02:14:19,399 --> 02:14:23,720
lo and behold this evil entity. It keeps killing the

1803
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:27,760
people that summoned this thing. The rabbi and the rabbi student,

1804
02:14:28,039 --> 02:14:33,079
they can't contain it. So eventually they're saying enough incantations

1805
02:14:33,119 --> 02:14:36,399
to bring this thing to heal. And they strike a

1806
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:40,199
character of a word that's carved on its forehead to

1807
02:14:40,359 --> 02:14:44,520
change its definition, to remove the spirit from the clay.

1808
02:14:45,159 --> 02:14:49,840
And then as they do that, they cover it with

1809
02:14:50,039 --> 02:14:53,439
pages of the Sedors, the the Leam. Those are the

1810
02:14:53,720 --> 02:14:57,720
all the prayer books that are used in congregations. So

1811
02:14:57,840 --> 02:14:59,319
and they and then they store the thing in the

1812
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,000
attic of the synagogue in case they need to get

1813
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:05,680
it again sometime. But uh, God, when I just say,

1814
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:09,640
when I spill it out, it's just so, you know,

1815
02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:13,880
I just don't quite know what to make of it.

1816
02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:17,560
It's so this is not like a godly thing that's

1817
02:15:17,560 --> 02:15:20,640
happening here. And when you're born and raised Jewish like

1818
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:24,840
I was, you don't question it. There's not like, oh hey,

1819
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:27,520
this is really weird. You know, what does this thing mean?

1820
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:28,319
Speaker 3: What is that?

1821
02:15:29,239 --> 02:15:32,119
Speaker 2: You know, what is the role of non Jewish people?

1822
02:15:33,359 --> 02:15:36,359
You know, it's a whole separate topic. Christians are not

1823
02:15:36,439 --> 02:15:39,359
really viewed well, you know, but don't take my word

1824
02:15:39,399 --> 02:15:42,640
for it. You can check out the Uh there's a

1825
02:15:42,720 --> 02:15:47,800
Greek Orthodox abbot and she was on Tucker's show recently

1826
02:15:48,199 --> 02:15:52,920
explaining exactly how the Israelis were treating her, and so

1827
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:57,520
you just have to like bear that in mind. You know,

1828
02:15:57,880 --> 02:16:01,319
the Christian Zionists take Judaism very seriously and very solemnly,

1829
02:16:01,359 --> 02:16:03,960
but they really have no concept of how it goes

1830
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:12,000
the other way. So, uh, well, yeah, yeah, I think

1831
02:16:12,039 --> 02:16:13,079
we've been going run.

1832
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:15,479
Speaker 3: I think that's a good place to put a plug

1833
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:15,760
on it.

1834
02:16:16,399 --> 02:16:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can. We can always return to

1835
02:16:19,600 --> 02:16:26,279
this because unfortunately, I think that things were only escalating

1836
02:16:26,439 --> 02:16:30,079
and every once in a while where we're going to need,

1837
02:16:30,279 --> 02:16:33,920
well often, we're going to to need reminders of you know,

1838
02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:35,719
what exactly is causing this.

1839
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:40,600
Speaker 2: There's one final point I'll say, sure, which is, you know,

1840
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:42,479
we've talked about all the magic stuff, We've talked about

1841
02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:44,559
all the Jewish stuff. Like, what can people do about it?

1842
02:16:44,760 --> 02:16:46,559
I mean, I hope you believe that at least someone

1843
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:48,399
somewhere takes this of.

1844
02:16:48,399 --> 02:16:52,159
Speaker 3: What Crossen scenes says, pray or go on.

1845
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:56,200
Speaker 2: You need to well exactly, you need to pray, you

1846
02:16:56,239 --> 02:17:00,479
need to go to church. I am sorry to people

1847
02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:03,879
that are listening. But you have to have faith in Christ.

1848
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:05,879
I think from what I can tell.

1849
02:17:05,719 --> 02:17:08,200
Speaker 3: You can't make up your own god to be hot topic,

1850
02:17:08,319 --> 02:17:10,319
edgy contrarian guy.

1851
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:14,239
Speaker 2: Christ is the only thing that can.

1852
02:17:15,319 --> 02:17:19,120
Speaker 3: Well, it's the only one that the It's yeah, exactly.

1853
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:26,520
They all hate what a pagan's, Jews, demons, What do

1854
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:27,559
they all have in common?

1855
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Speaker 2: They hate Christ? They hate Christians?

1856
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but why if you're a pagan and you got

1857
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:38,239
the real thing or whatever that you just made up?

1858
02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:46,799
What does Christianity matter to you? If you're the chosen

1859
02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:54,040
people and God picked you personally, then what the fuck

1860
02:17:54,079 --> 02:17:58,440
do you care about Christians? For? If you're a demon,

1861
02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:06,000
you live forever outside of time and space, all right,

1862
02:18:06,840 --> 02:18:11,479
what do you care about? What faith? The little earthlings

1863
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:18,479
right with their small temporal lives do with it? What

1864
02:18:18,520 --> 02:18:20,040
do you care if they're Christians or not? What do

1865
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:23,120
you care if they're You didn't care whether they're Pagans,

1866
02:18:23,600 --> 02:18:25,319
You didn't care whether they're Jews. In fact, you really

1867
02:18:25,399 --> 02:18:32,559
like both of those. Why is Christ the single and

1868
02:18:32,719 --> 02:18:37,600
only common denominator between any of these completely separate and

1869
02:18:37,639 --> 02:18:43,440
diverse and you know, disperse things. Why is hating Christ

1870
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so fundamental to things that should have nothing to do

1871
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with one another. Why should a demon give a fuck

1872
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:52,639
about what you pray to?

1873
02:18:54,159 --> 02:18:58,840
Speaker 2: Christ is the only thing that dispels evil period?

1874
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Speaker 3: What is evil? Chaos incoherence, entropy? What is it?

1875
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Speaker 1: If you want to if people want to know, Look,

1876
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the people who are practicing this stuff, they're pretty open

1877
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about it. Okay, if you just wear well you don't.

1878
02:19:23,639 --> 02:19:27,159
You may believe that they do this stuff just as

1879
02:19:27,239 --> 02:19:30,680
some kind of ritual and it doesn't mean anything. But

1880
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if anybody wants to see something that's pretty unexplainable, I'll

1881
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:39,520
link to it in the show notes. Go to YouTube

1882
02:19:40,559 --> 02:19:45,120
top type Goddard. That's g ott h a r D

1883
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Tunnel opening ceremony, June first, twenty sixteen. Yeah, this is

1884
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the opening ceremony of the largest tunnel in I think

1885
02:19:58,920 --> 02:20:01,360
in the world. And just watch.

1886
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Speaker 3: Yep. They had a similar opening ceremony for Cern by

1887
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the way, Yeah, the large high drunk collider.

1888
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Speaker 1: But this one sane. Go on this one is it's

1889
02:20:17,079 --> 02:20:20,959
inexplicable other than it's just.

1890
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Speaker 3: It's just alarp bro playing around.

1891
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Speaker 1: Europe's ilites came to this tunnel and cheered on this

1892
02:20:32,959 --> 02:20:37,840
opening ceremony. Just go watch it Goddard Tunnel opening ceremony,

1893
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:42,399
June first, twenty sixteen. They they're not hiding it.

1894
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Speaker 2: There's an article on it in the BBC with all

1895
02:20:44,879 --> 02:20:51,479
the pictures and it's just like it's just insane. It's

1896
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:52,680
some crazy, insane shit.

1897
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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, I'm going to say good night. Thank

1898
02:20:57,879 --> 02:21:01,079
you very much for joining me. I appreciate it it

1899
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Speaker 2: Now surely is a pleasure.