WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:05.639 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY Boston's 2 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:08.880 new video TikTok, TikTok, TikTok, TikTok. 3 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:11.519 Thank you, Nicole, no pun intended. Right. The clock is 4 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:14.000 ticking on TikTok. I know you've heard it before. Sorry, 5 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:17.879 dad joke had to do it. This is quite a 6 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.399 thing that the Supreme Court up held. We are going 7 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.719 to talk about TikTok going away. The financial impact is 8 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:27.160 staggering for some people. And I'm more concerned because my 9 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:28.839 thirteen year old daughter is going to go out of 10 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.199 her mind. And if she goes out of her mind, 11 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.359 that goes That means I go out of my mind. 12 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:36.960 So which am I more concerned with? 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It's joining us right now, 24 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:14.159 is Joe Lopino Esposito, the deputy Legal policy director at 25 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.959 Federal Policy Chief for the Pacific Legal Foundation. You must 26 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:20.200 have a card that's the size of a billboard, Joe, 27 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:22.879 Welcome to night Side. 28 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:24.840 I sometimes do yes, Thanks. 29 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.359 So much for having things Okay, this seems so strange 30 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.159 to me, And full disclosure, I don't do TikTok. This 31 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.439 radio station with Matt Scherra has done very well on 32 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:36.319 TikTok Okay, so TikTok is really not just for kids anymore. 33 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:38.239 There's a lot of business people make a lot of 34 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.640 money on it, and we'll get to that. But what 35 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:44.159 is so strange for me as an American citizen, as 36 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.519 someone who has always taken pride in the fact that 37 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:52.400 this is a country of free speech, no matter how insulting, 38 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:58.480 no matter how racist, no matter how homophobic, no matter 39 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:03.239 how awful something may be spewed out of somebody's mouth, 40 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.879 they can say it. But this thing is being shut down. 41 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:11.319 It is so foreign to me that something within these 42 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:16.560 forty eight states would be cut off. It's so weird 43 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:17.879 to me. It's weird. 44 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.280 Yeah, you know, it's a unique situation. You know, in 45 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:26.360 this particular case where the US government really attacked TikTok, 46 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.599 wasn't from the perspective of the First Amendment, because obviously 47 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:32.319 that was their best defense, and that's what the court 48 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:35.159 dealt with today when they they have their opinion, right, 49 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.840 and in the unsigned opinion, what they said was, look, 50 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:43.719 there is a compelling interest of regarding national security notwithstanding 51 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:47.000 the First Amendment concerns. So, you know, there's the things 52 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:48.840 that we talk about often you have these levels of 53 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:52.439 scrutiny of scrutiny, So you have strict scrutiny and intermediate scrutiny, 54 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.599 which is the two that we're talking about now, And 55 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.199 when you can judge how closely, essentially, you need to 56 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.159 look at other good reasons for the government's reduced for 57 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.560 doing what they're doing. So in this case, they said, look, 58 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:07.639 because this is a content neutral decision, right, it's not 59 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.800 saying because of certain things on the app is why 60 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:13.560 we're banning it. What they're saying is our concern is 61 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.159 actually over national security, so it's a content neutral ruling, 62 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:20.000 and therefore it comes under intermediate scrutiny, which is a 63 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.360 much easier bar for the government to reach versus strict scrutiny. 64 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:25.479 And that's why we have the band staying in effect. 65 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.919 Yeah, I mean, and I understand that, and I get it, 66 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.680 and I think we're just at the point now because 67 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:34.319 of technology, is this is a reality we will probably 68 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:39.360 see be implemented again, right exactly. 69 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.759 And it's funny you mentioned with the changes in technology. 70 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.319 The court actually starts its opinion by saying, look, we 71 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.319 know things are going to change, but we're hopeing not 72 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.280 to screw this one up too much in so many ways. Right, 73 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:54.919 So that's what they say, kind of from the outset, 74 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.000 knowing that they are going to be things that come 75 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.159 along and that could be very different. And Justice Gore 76 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.199 such it is conturned with the opinion said, look, there's 77 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.280 a chance this will just get replaced with some other 78 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.280 app that will be just as damaging according to the 79 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:08.240 United States government, and then like guess won't cross that 80 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:11.439 bridge when we get there. So they can't know everything, 81 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:14.319 but they are looking at it here and you know, 82 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.560 to his credit as well, and frankly that just thee 83 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.920 so of my Earth's credit as well. They were pretty 84 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.040 clear that they don't like that. The court overall said, look, 85 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:24.319 we can't say for sure. We're just gonna assume that 86 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.959 the First Amendment is involved here. We haven't really had 87 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.680 time to look into that enough, just as so of 88 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.959 my ars said, no, of course it does. Of course 89 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.639 it implicates the First Amendment. That's not even let's get 90 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:37.079 rid of the weasel words. Of course it does. But 91 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.879 now that said, I still agree with the decision, and 92 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.199 just this course that's said similar that, Look, you know, 93 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:44.360 I don't really care for these levels of scrutiny. We 94 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.560 spend a lot of time caring about exactly which level 95 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.240 it should it ought to sit into to me, if 96 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.639 there is a good enough compelling interest like this is, 97 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.839 and really backing with the US government presented as evidence 98 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.040 in their public evidence regarding all this, they said, look, 99 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:00.439 this is enough, and therefore I agree with the judgment 100 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:00.879 as well. 101 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.439 How do you feel you agree? I understand what you're saying, 102 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:08.399 But as a person, as a United States citizen, do 103 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:15.680 you feel that our national security is threatened because of TikTok, 104 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.360 give me a number seven eight, Because the way I 105 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.319 look at it here is in order for the Supreme 106 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.399 Court to do this, it's got to be pretty. 107 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:29.519 Serious, right, And that's the thing, you know, I ultimately, 108 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.720 you know, the blame if if somebody's uphosted this, the 109 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.199 blame goes to Congress and as well as President Biden, 110 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.319 although he also strangely has said he's not going to 111 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.839 enforce the law when it goes into effect on Sunday, 112 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:43.160 so I'm not quite sure why he would have signed 113 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.480 the bill. But that's beside the point. The point is 114 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:48.959 that Congress has done this and the President signed it, 115 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:51.319 so now it's up to the Supreme Court really just 116 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:54.720 make that call. So with the evidence presented to them 117 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.199 and with the short time I may had, the decision 118 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:01.040 does make some sense. That said, I think overall, the 119 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.759 discussion that's in play is what is really the national 120 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.879 security threat? Is it that you know, if they're stealing data? 121 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:10.920 And one of the things that Justine Scoresu specifically points 122 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.720 out as well is that, look, it gives them access 123 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:17.639 to your contact list, so that includes third parties that 124 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:19.720 did not consent to this. So you know, if I 125 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:22.360 have TikTok and you're in my phone well, and you 126 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:24.839 have your photo and your home address and everything on 127 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.959 my contacts on my phone. You know, TikTok can now 128 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.680 access that data. And because they refuse to divest from 129 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.160 the Chinese government, they're saying, look, this seems to be 130 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.560 what the Chinese government is after after this information. So 131 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.199 if that's the case. Again, I don't know enough about 132 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:43.560 national security to know what all the concerns are there, 133 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.040 but they're talking about things like blackmail and who knows 134 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.519 what else. If there's other information that could be found 135 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:51.639 from other third parties on say my phone, and they're 136 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:54.920 looking into you, right, So I understand where they're coming 137 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.519 from there. So I don't think it's without cause. But 138 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:01.000 it's tricky because they had such a tight deadline and frankly, 139 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.600 it really wasn't enough to the Supreme courts at decide 140 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.279 on this. It was that Congress made a determination and 141 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:08.519 the evidence was frankly good enough. 142 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:13.920 Yeah right, and the Supreme Court upheld it. Call me apathetic, 143 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.160 I'm just lazy. I just feel that my information is 144 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:18.639 out there. No matter what I mean. I do the 145 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:22.399 best I can. I protect my social Security number I'm 146 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.519 not stupid. I get a lot of phishing emails and 147 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.319 texts all the time. I do the best I can. 148 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.839 But I also realize that with the data flying through 149 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.959 the air and how we're so addicted to technology, if 150 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:38.920 somebody says to me, yeah, China can get Gary Tanger's 151 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.480 home address, I'm like, what am I going to do 152 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:43.600 about it? Like, I think they can get it, whether 153 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.240 they use TikTok or not. See know what I'm saying? 154 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.720 You know, am I wrong in that? Is my attitude 155 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.519 too leisurely? 156 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:53.839 No? And I think what you're hitting on is actually 157 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:55.800 sort of part of what the court said and what 158 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:58.000 Justice Coursus said as well. It's like, look, you know 159 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.399 what we consider a threat. They're not saying it directly 160 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:02.920 like this, but the way I read it is, you 161 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.480 know what we're seeing as a national security threat today? 162 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.720 That may very well change for I think some of 163 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.480 the reasons you're mentioning, right, it's so ubiquitous that we 164 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.480 have this information. We have so many apps, and frankly, 165 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.360 I'm sure I don't know all these and apps, of 166 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.720 all the permissions of every app, but I'm sure plenty 167 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:21.079 of popular apps that are in the us have the 168 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:22.199 same types of permissions. 169 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:25.120 There's no question, there's no doubt. I mean, you see it, Joe. 170 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:27.720 It shows up in your feed. Like you if you 171 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.439 look for a particular product, say I look for I 172 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:34.559 don't know, a coffee maker, whatever, then I'm gonna get 173 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:36.759 next thing. You know, on my Instagram feed, I got 174 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:40.759 fifteen coffee companies sending me stuff. You know. So I'm 175 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:42.159 kind of like, when I look at this, I go 176 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.919 and we're so damn lazy. You know, we're just so spoiled. 177 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.360 We go, eh, Okay, so you know, China knows where 178 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.360 I live. Okay, I'll put up with it. You know. 179 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.279 That's just the way I feel about this. I don't know. 180 00:08:57.759 --> 00:08:57.840 That. 181 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:00.360 I don't know. That's that's just the way I feel 182 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.200 about it. But that's why I wonder. I wonder if 183 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.399 there's something else we don't know, if there's something else 184 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.600 larger at play. Yeah, somebody could you know, we could 185 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.080 be in an episode of The Americans, you know, from Fox, 186 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.759 where somebody could come to my door and say, okay, Tangue, 187 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:15.840 I'm gonna you have to become a spy for Russia. 188 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:17.519 You know, I don't think that's going to happen, but 189 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:21.039 I don't know if they need TikTok to do that right. 190 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.320 And actually, it's interesting you mentioned that one of the 191 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:26.559 things that Justine Goresa was pleased with the court overall, 192 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:30.080 and stacisfically called out that the Court did not do that. 193 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.919 The US government was trying to offer confidential information and 194 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.559 evidence to the court as well and say like, we 195 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:38.240 would love you for you to view this, and by 196 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:40.399 the way, TikTok can't even view it, but we would 197 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:42.879 like the court to view it. And they rejected that 198 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:44.639 and said, look, we don't know what's going on here, 199 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.519 so to your point, there may be something else to play, 200 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:49.799 but that was not part of their decision today. So 201 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:51.840 they were able to do it without that information. The 202 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:54.720 US government was saying, well, the additional information that they 203 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:56.600 have would have been even more convincing. 204 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.720 Why did the court reject it? I think it when 205 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:01.679 they want to look at it. 206 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:04.799 So the court didn't like the idea that they were 207 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.480 protecting it from the plaintiffs as well, So I think 208 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.399 it Delvin Dow again with the short timeline. They didn't 209 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.559 do a full analysis of it, but because of the 210 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.000 fact that they said, look, we have this evidence on TikTok, 211 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.720 and by the way, TikTok can't even see it. You know, 212 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.720 it's not a criminal proceeding, but it doesn't feel quite right. 213 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:24.080 So that I think is one of the issues that 214 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:25.759 was to play there. But I think very much to 215 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.039 your points, there could be something else, but the court 216 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.759 got to the conclusion without that. 217 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:31.279 Okay, Joe, we got to take a break. Can you 218 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:32.879 hang out for another segment? I want to I have 219 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:35.440 some more questions about the Trump administration in this coming up. 220 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.480 Absolutely okay, Absolutely, okay, Joe. The pino Esposito was with 221 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.879 US Deputy Legal Policy Director in Federal Policy chief for 222 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:46.840 the Pacific Legal Foundation. Also knows a lot about the 223 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:49.120 big time court. That's all coming up next to WBZ. 224 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:53.159 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 225 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.440 Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 226 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.759 Harry Tangway, but dare tonight welcome back Night's side. W 227 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.399 see joining us right now. He's doing the pino Esposito 228 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:07.440 from the Pacific Legal Foundation. We're talking about the banning 229 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.440 of TikTok, which is going to begin on Sunday. Of course, 230 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.759 it's going to happen over time and when the app 231 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:16.360 doesn't get updated, eventually everyone will lose the power to 232 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:17.720 use TikTok. 233 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:17.960 So. 234 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.840 But this is what I find so interesting, Joe, is 235 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:25.679 the criticism of Trump or the Trump administration was, you 236 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:28.960 know he had the Supreme Court in his back pocket, right, 237 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:35.200 Like okay. This guy has even said one of the 238 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.000 reasons he may have been elected was because of TikTok Right, 239 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.000 And he doesn't he doesn't want it to go away. 240 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:47.240 So does he when he takes office, does he have 241 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:48.039 any recourse? 242 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.000 So this is where, of course they can't make it easy. 243 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:57.440 So because of the fact there would have been a 244 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.360 way to do this, so they set the deadline for 245 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:03.600 this for the nineteenth, right, so it's before he takes office, 246 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.720 and there is a provision in the law that the 247 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.799 president can extend it by ninety days if there's significant progress. 248 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.960 I believe it's the phrase they use towards a sale 249 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:17.840 of the company. So the problem is it's unclear if 250 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.120 it means on the day of like on the nineteenth, 251 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:23.039 or if when he comes in at noon on the 252 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.559 twentieth he says, I think they're really trying. We're going 253 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.200 to give them another ninety days. So that may be 254 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:30.080 the first challenge that he faces when it comes to 255 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.480 this is can he if he wants to delay it, 256 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.639 can he even validly delay it? Or is that up 257 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:37.200 the President Biden to do it, which again he has 258 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.679 said that he doesn't plan to enforce the law, in 259 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.320 which case I think he'd be within his rights, according 260 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.639 to the law, to certified and give them another ninety days. 261 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.679 But the whole thing is very odd. I mean, I 262 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:50.679 think you could have solved this by making it the twentieth, 263 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:53.720 allowing either president to do it, because you would have 264 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:56.360 been talking about noon when the changeover happens, so they're 265 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:59.480 both president on the twentieth. So to me, that's sort 266 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:01.639 of the fix that you would have given the option. Obviously, 267 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:03.200 when they passed that, they didn't know who the next 268 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.919 president would be. But you know, even if it was 269 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:07.519 going from Biden to Harris, you would have had two 270 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:10.480 different people there having the chance to make a decision. 271 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:13.440 So it's I don't think it was the best choice 272 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:15.360 to make it on the nineteenth because now you have 273 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.080 this additional problem where it may not be in the 274 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:19.519 hands of the incoming president. 275 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:22.279 Well as far as Trump is concerned, I'm not so 276 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.000 sure it would be a priority for him because this 277 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.320 is his second term. I mean, I don't know if 278 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.279 that's a hill he would die on, do. 279 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.679 You, Yeah, exactly. But you know, I think, and he 280 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.000 said this recently, is that he knows there's going to 281 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.480 be a lot of things he's going to go after 282 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:40.039 try to overturn, you know, specifically go We do a 283 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:42.840 lot of work in like property rights and environmental law, 284 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.159 and there's a lot of things that President Biden has 285 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.120 done in the last couple of weeks that he's claiming 286 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.039 sort of you know, lock off certain areas from oil 287 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:53.440 and gas exploration, things like that. So there are some 288 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:57.039 provisions where he can President Trump could outright just reverse it, 289 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:58.600 and other ones that they're going to go to court. 290 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:00.919 So I mean, I I think at this point we'll 291 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:02.639 start looking at to how many people they hire at 292 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.799 the Department of Justice to go after these issues, and 293 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.360 that may determine how higher a priority some of these 294 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:12.519 issues are, particularly this one, because this is such an oddball, 295 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:15.679 you know, dating issue where they could have just be 296 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.159 give him the power or perhaps he's you know, not 297 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:19.559 going to be able to do that, and we'll see 298 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:20.000 where it goes. 299 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.120 Yeah, it just doesn't seem that high on the list 300 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.679 for me. But what floored me. And we have a 301 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.879 guest coming up at ten o'clock time to Array Fox 302 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:35.360 of Fox Sports. She's a terrific sports personality in California. 303 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:40.480 She makes money on TikTok. She you know, I don't know. 304 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:43.080 I don't want to quote what she makes, but I 305 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.279 was floored that the average income on TikTok is one 306 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.080 hundred and thirty one thousand dollars a year. Now, I 307 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:51.240 don't know how many people that. I don't know what 308 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:53.840 the quantity is, right, I don't know if that's one 309 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:55.399 hundred people. I don't know if that's two hundred people. 310 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.799 I'm not sure. But I know people supplement their income 311 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:00.720 five hundred bucks here or three under books here, six 312 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.440 hundred bucks, shit, whatever. I mean, this is a big deal. 313 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:05.320 This is going to hurt some people. 314 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.799 Yeah, absolutely, And you know it's you know, the analogy 315 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.720 would be that some other businesses or other outlets where 316 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:14.759 they suddenly they're legal and now they're not. We've had 317 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.639 that over the years. You know, certain businesses have determined 318 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:21.120 our violation, say the FTC right. You had companies a 319 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.559 number of years ago that had, you know, little miniature 320 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:25.399 antennas and you can get your local networks from a 321 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:28.360 miniature antenna at their server. The Supreme Court said, guess 322 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:32.799 what that's not. That's not allowed to violate the airways 323 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.279 laws and therefore that's the end of that, and that 324 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:37.519 def holds the business. So unfortunately, we do see that 325 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:40.679 a lot throughout the law. And yeah, this is one 326 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:44.000 in particular where I think it implicates a lot of 327 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.039 the rights of the individuals on there, which you know, 328 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.120 the court did try to tackle, but they said, look, 329 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.519 this is sort of an issue separate and apart from that. 330 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.440 But you're absolutely right, it is going to affect a 331 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.799 number of people in the pocketbook as well. 332 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.840 Have you heard, because I have not, you know, looking 333 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:05.080 over the web in different news sources. But there must 334 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:09.399 be an entity ready to take over TikTok or take 335 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.000 its place. There's got to be somebody, I mean, Bezos 336 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:14.960 has to have somebody, or Apple has to have somebody 337 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.120 in the basement with a product ready to go saying 338 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.639 you've lost TikTok. But here's your here's the solution. 339 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.000 Right, you know. And there's been a number of rumors. 340 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:26.759 I mean, I think I saw yesterday that you know, 341 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:29.200 the YouTube personality mister Beast was going to make a 342 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.480 play for it. So, I mean, I think we've we've 343 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.679 seen everyone who could possibly get engaged on this. We 344 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:38.320 saw some action for more Trump Cabinet secretaries. I think 345 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.919 we're engaged in a possible sale earlier in the or 346 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.039 I guess last year when we saw that in some 347 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.320 of the headlines. So yeah, I mean I wouldn't be 348 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.000 surprised if it's possible. But what being reported is that, 349 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.440 you know, the Chinese government is not allowing them to 350 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.360 divest from the parent company Bye Dance, which you know 351 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.159 to some people. You saw Senator Tom Cotton was out 352 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.360 there today saying, look this, here's the proof. Here's all 353 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.200 the proof we needed. They want to allow them to 354 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.759 dive back. If they're a successful business, I should just 355 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:06.720 let them go. Well look there you go. It's the 356 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:09.240 spy app. And I proved my point. So, I mean 357 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:10.960 it's not I don't know for sure, but it's not 358 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:11.599 a bad argument. 359 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.000 Well what about just starting new I mean just saying 360 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:16.519 I'm going to start the tangwe app. 361 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.400 Right, Yeah, yeah, So somebody else could come along and 362 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:22.480 do a version of this and if you look. I 363 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.319 mean a lot of the other social networking sites has 364 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:27.240 tried to do versions of this, right, Like, you know 365 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.400 that they all kind of steal from each other and 366 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.640 take good ideas, sure, and bad ideas. So I wouldn't 367 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:34.720 be surprised if you suddenly saw a new feature more 368 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:38.720 prominently on Facebook that looked a lot like TikTok. They 369 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:40.720 seem to be the ones who moved pretty quickly in 370 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:43.240 that regard, so there's definitely a chance that will happen. 371 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.160 And I guess we'll just see if the innovation takes 372 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:48.880 over and who really picks it up. You know, obviously 373 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:50.559 they were the leader in the market, but if they 374 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.359 do go away, it does open up the opportunity for 375 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:54.759 someone else to take the rings. 376 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:58.160 Well, the new Secretary of Entrepreneurship, but whatever his title is. 377 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.039 I'm surprised Musk doesn't have like a ready to go 378 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:04.519 I mean, you know, like boom, here it is you. 379 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.480 This is the replacement for TikTok. Just go we do 380 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:09.599 exactly what TikTok. Did you pick up right where you 381 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:12.160 left off? I really do. I mean, I'm really surprised 382 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.640 that that's not out there. I think people are missing 383 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:15.519 the boat on that one. 384 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:17.160 Yeah, good point. 385 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:19.880 Yeah, you know that really with all of the technology, 386 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.160 with Apple and Facebook and you know, all of these guys, 387 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:23.880 you think they'd be ready to swoop in on it 388 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:27.200 because where we are a country of convenience and that 389 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:30.880 if the China, China does not want to divest, TikTok 390 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:35.400 goes away, you know, we'll just come on. We're technical, 391 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:39.759 we're digital whores, man. You know, we're not loyal. We're 392 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.519 not loyal to anyone. Somebody comes in and gives us 393 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:45.720 as our digital fix, we'll just go to them. We'll 394 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.119 just go to that digital pusher, you know what I mean. 395 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:49.799 That's what we are as a society. 396 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.640 We don't care, right, and that seems the case that 397 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:55.480 we are willing to jump. But at the same time, 398 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:57.720 we saw, you know, some on the last and a 399 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:59.359 number of people just said, look they were going to 400 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:01.720 move away from Twitter, and they try Blue Sky, and 401 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.759