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Speaker 1: So we have Oh, it's just me and Charlie m

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m all right, redoing it all coming down three to one.

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Ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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Speaker 2: Mister Gurbu, you'll tear down this wall.

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Speaker 1: It's the Ricochet Podcast. I'm James Lollacks and we've got

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Charles C. W. Cook with us as well. We're going

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to be talking to Dennis Neil, host of the What's

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Bugging Me Podcast, to talk about his new book on

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e Lawn Musk. So let's ever So it's a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Prior to the collision, the flight paths that were being

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flown from the military and from American that was not

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unusual for what happens in the DC air space. And

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as this investigation moves forward, we will be able to

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provide more information to you about the details of that statement.

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Speaker 1: Welcome friends. It's the Ricochet Podcast and it is number

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seven hundred and twenty six. If you're making hash marks

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on your cell wall, I'm James Lylyx here in Minneapolis,

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sitting across from a beautiful thirty one story skyscraper, which

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is the tallest building built in the year two thousand

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in the United States of America. It sold a few

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years ago for two hundred million dollars. It was sold

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yesterday for six million dollars. Such as the state of

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things here in Florida, we have Charles C. W. Cook, Charlie,

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how you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well. Is the downtown Minneapolis really that troubled well?

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Speaker 1: Kind of? Sort of? Yeah, it is. And what it's causing,

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of course, is massive increases in property taxes for the homeowners.

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was absolutely fantastic. And who needs a city anyway? I

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hate to commute, and the end result is an empty downtown.

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may be at the thirty one story skyscraper demolished because

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it costs ten to twenty five million dollars a year

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let's turn it into housing is if you can wave

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a wand and all of a sudden, pipes and windows

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are manifested everywhere. It doesn't work that way. We'll see anyway.

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It's been an interesting week. It's been ups and downs,

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it's been calamitous. Let us start with, well, there was

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a freeze and then there wasn't. You can talk about

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the metrics, the performance, how it looked, the optics, the idea,

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whether or not it was good or bad, or where

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the rest of it. I think the kerfluffle surrounding it

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will be forgotten. But you hope that the enthusiasm for

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a line by line examination of these programs and grants

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is not That's the important thing to take away, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there may be some legal obstacles, but in many

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cases this power has been delegated to the president and

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to the various agencies which work for the president, and

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so a freeze is permissible. There will be exceptions. I'm

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sure there will be litigation, and that's fine. But the

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White House has been tasked by Congress with an enormous

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amount of the legwork in determining where these funds go,

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fact finding and so forth. It seems a little odd

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to say, you're not allowed to pause before you make

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your next decision, You're not allowed to audit, you're not

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allowed to reconsider based on your political reevaluation of the landscape.

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Speaker 1: Right York Times had a list of two thousand, six

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hundred grants which were in danger and one could peruse them,

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and that was a nice public service. I'm glad they

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my browser, struggled to keep up with the number of

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the bottom. And you can look through some of them

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and say, well, I think that's a legitimate expenditure for government.

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have no idea whatsoever why we are doing this other

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than we did it last year and ergo must do

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what it is is a data crunch or extraordinary and

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perhaps spending money on that. Somebody put in yarn and

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government is funding to encourage knitting in underserved communities. I

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put in coffee, and I've found a six hundred thousand

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dollars grant to another country to encourage sustainable farming on

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some plot in some indigenous land in the back of

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the country of whatever. It's remarkable how much we pump

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seem to be able to know how to get our

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hands around it. Do you think, however, that Doge and

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mispronunciation of an animal and a coin is actually going

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to be able to do something of this. Because the

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reason that I was saying the freeze is good, I

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think the freeze was done wrong. I think and across

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the board freezes they did announcing it and then having

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to explain it and say no, these things are exempt.

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nothing to do with anything else that the government does.

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them line and freeze them line by line, because we

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commissions that issue a white paper about what to do,

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nothing is ever done ever. So this seemed to be

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a good way to do it. But do you think

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I think they actually are serious about doing this.

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area where DOGE will be useful. So the way that

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this has been sold is typical of the Republicans in

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that it is exclusive of the real drivers of our

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debt and deficits, which are entitlements and interest on the debt.

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Can't touch those because the public doesn't want to, the

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President doesn't want to, and Congress doesn't want to. Because

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you can't touch those, you can't reduce the debt, and

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you can't not pay your debts because otherwise you default.

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serious about cutting spending. But there are two areas that

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were identified in that initial DOGE report that you really

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can do something about. One of them is this, which

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is discretionary grants determined by the executive branch. And the

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other is fraud. And there is a lot of fraud

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in Medicare, and there's a lot of fraud in Medicaid.

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report was two hundred billion dollars. Now relative to the

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overall budget, that's not going to fix our issues, but

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it would still be good to have that two hundred

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Speaker 1: Two hundred billion here, at two hundred billion there. Eventually

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Speaker 4: Money exactly, So, providing they get the right people in yeah,

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a rule that it is really good for any organization,

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especially those that take money from the public by force,

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to reevaluate every few years.

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Speaker 1: What is doing.

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Speaker 4: I do it with my finances. I look through my

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credit card bell and think do I need that? Do

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I need this? Was that a good use of money?

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full of enormous houses. And I was absolutely astonished at

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the time by their house and their many cars and

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clothes and so on. And one morning the grandmother drove

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sixteen miles to find gas that was thirty cents cheaper.

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at dinner, you have this massive house, you have this

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one of the reasons they have all of that stuff

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to save money as a matter of course, for probably

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fifty years. And the federal government is the opposite of that.

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also probable that whatever The New York Times is explaining

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a given programmers doing may not be exactly what it

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does in practice, or if it does do it, it

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perhaps doesn't do it efficiently or on the way that

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we would want. And the only way that you could

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find that acts to conduct an audit. So I think

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this is really really good, providing that we don't kid

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ourselves that it is going to solve our issue, which

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is that every year, deliberately and with the blessing of

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the American public, we spend about a trillion or more

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the sense that we're going to do an audit and

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figure out, you know, we're paying both for Acorn streaming

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service and britt Box, we can probably get just one

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it would be explainable to the people who are addicted

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to be one of them watching something and watching something

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now called Cormorant Strike, which is apparently a very famous

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people protesting outside Netflix headquarters. But the second thing is this,

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when you mentioned entitlements, is it not the time perhaps

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for somebody with Trump's megaphone and bowl in the China

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shop here, and I'm breaking reputation to say, hey, we're

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not going to touch anything from anybody for anybody who

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is below this age. But if you are above this age.

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But if you are below this age, we're going to

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give you option to quit, to opt out of it,

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to put your money into some you know, I mean

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various ways to do it. Say you have to invest

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in the stock market, you have to have a four

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supplement Medigaid or Medicare or Social Security. But just you don't.

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I know that the system depends on younger people coming

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up the chain and paying into it. That's the Ponzi

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scheme nature of it. But we're going to be stuck

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paying this entirely forever unless we figure out a different

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way to run Social Security. Or is that just too

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Speaker 4: It's time for Trump to do that if he wants

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his approval writing to be twenty five percent. I completely

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I say this, but I'm allowed to be, perhaps even

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enthusiastic about being unpopular. Trump is not Obama writer. I

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can this. I do spend a lot of my time

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because I think they're true, and I think I owe

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it to the few people who do read me to

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tell them what I think is true. And if they

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don't want to read anymore, that's fine. But I'm certainly

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not going to bend a public opinion because I'm not

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a politician, but Trump is, and that's a more complicated

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relationship without going into Edmund Burke and all of the

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debates over whether you're supposed to lead or follow as

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a politician in a democratic society. Donald Trump understands and

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is correct in his assumption that the American public does

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not want to do entitlement reform, and he knows that

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if he touches this, and I should say I don't

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think he wants to. I don't think this is Trump's

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political view, but he knows that if he touches this,

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he will be demogogued in every direction. It will get

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before he loses the House, certainly four years before he's

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unable to be president anymore. Well, he knows it will

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destroy his presidency. And I don't like the fact that

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both parties have alighted on this view and that this

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is where we got to. It's a country, And I

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don't like the fact that we were willing to talk

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we're not now. But I also do understand that from Republicans,

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and I ultimately blame the left side of the Aisle

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for the total unwillingness to even discuss this that leads

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to Republicans having to essentially give up on it because

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when we did talk like adults, we were crushed for it.

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So what have they done. They've decided that they'd rather

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get all the other things on their list done and

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this will just have to collapse of its own volition.

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Speaker 1: Quite right, Panhead or phillipswear screwed. But you, of course,

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are part of the National Review monolith that does nothing

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but praise Trump. According to mattter Lass, who I guess

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isn't it hasn't scrolled down below the the site or

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opened up the magazine in some time. Nevertheless, I can

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imagine that somebody at NR or NRO doing a little

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research over the freeze and the programs and the rest

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of it might have thought, I wonder what the OMB

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website is saying about this? And this has been a

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bugaboo of mine for the last week, and nobody seems

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to care. Nobody seems to care that there isn't a

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website for the OMB. There used to be that is

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that true? Not anymore? Because my wife, who works in

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healthcare and finance and the rest of it, when this

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all dropped, everybody was, you know, chickens, heads on fire,

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whatever metaphors you want to construct. Frankenstein like was going

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to the OMB website for guidance. And if you type

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in oh, you know OMB dot whatever permutation you do,

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it goes right to White House dot gov, right to

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a picture a President Trump filling the whole screen pointing

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at somebody, and there is no OMB. Try it. Maybe

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they fixed it now. In the past OMB opposite Management

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and Budget dot gov has always defaulted to the white page.

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But it's the subdirectory OMB, and therein you will find

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all kinds of stuff. I went back into archive dot

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org's wayback machine and was able to find countless screen

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grabs of a discrete site that the OMB had with

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a variety of links to programs and resources. They're not

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there anymore, and they stopped being there on an inauguration day. Now,

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I was reading the Hill because the Hill was talking

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about the Trump administration taking down all these sites, okay,

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and I thought, well, that's interesting. I can understand this.

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I can understand that. And the Hill said that the

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Trump administration had taken down a site about the Constitution

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which was up during Joe Biden's years. Now, what would

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you take away from that, Charles, What was that? What

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impression would you get from that? Why?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What did the site say? Well, that's just it. It

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was about the Constitution. It explained what the Bill of

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Rights were, explained the ratification process. It didn't have an

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actual copy of the Constitution, but it did have the

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Bill of Rights, et cetera. But the idea was was,

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you know, during Joe Biden's administration, Whitehouse, dot Gov talk

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about the Constitution. Trump comes in and he takes it away. Well, actually, no,

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what happened was there was a sub section of the

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site called our founding Documents or something like that, and

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they nuked that, and the Constitution side happened to be

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one of them. The Constitution and the founding document sites

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were actually put up during the Trump administration, and then

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we're just sitting there during the Biden administration. So the

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impression that the Hill gives you is that, well, Biden

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was keen on putting the Constitution up there and Trump

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took it down. It's not true. The Constitution could be

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founded at the National Archives, it could be fund at

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the Senate pages anyway. So I know that somebody came

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in and just nuked a whole bunch of subdirectories, and

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OMB was one of them. But we don't have a

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of all times not to have an OMB resource. This

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would seem to be one that you want to be

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able to go to that page and you can't. And

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I called them up, and I called their chatbots and

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I asked where the page was, and all they could

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tell me is the OMB website is not available at

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this time. He seems to care about this, and I

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think it's a really strange thing. I mean, never ascribe

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to malice what you can do in competence, but it's

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like I've spent my week trying to get people to say,

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did you know there's actually no website anymore for the

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OMB during a time when we're talking about I don't know,

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management and budget, it seems, but that's just.

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Speaker 4: Me probable this will get fixed because Trump's OMB guy

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is pretty good. He's the same guy had last time,

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and he's one of his best appointments. I think he's

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already got through the Senate. If not, he's going to

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sell through the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Well good, Well that's fine. All I know is that,

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you know, maybe they should hire some people who are

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our guest, Dennis Neil, Award winning journalist who's worked as

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a Fox News anchor, managing editor of Forbes, a senior

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editor at The Wall Street Journal before starting the Dennis

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Neil Media. He's the host of What's Bugging Me? A

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podcast available writer or maybe not so aggressively, What's bugging Me?

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We'll have him tell you. It's a podcast available right

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here in the Ricochet Audio Network, and he is the

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author of the just published The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk.

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Speaker 5: Dennis, welcome, Thanks so much, and it's so great to

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see you because I hear your voice James on my

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podcast What's Bugging Me, a house ad that runs in

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virtually every episode. So I've had this person pictured in

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mind this and man, I wish I had your voice.

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Speaker 2: It's a great voice, and it's great.

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Speaker 1: Do I match the vision because I'm on you know,

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I'm Napoleonic in my statue, which is to say, not

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particularly tall.

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Speaker 5: And your voice, your voice is twelve feet tall. It

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is so rich and sonorous and the entire time. In

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my mind, I'm seeing Stephen Hayward. Actually that's kind of

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who I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm here in my autumnal colors, in my special

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color coordinated glasses. If you got me on another day,

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i'd be in a suit and tie with the white

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glasses or the horn rims. I'm a chameleon. Actually, I'm

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an absolute Cameleian. So whatever vision you have in your head,

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wipe it away, up end at your schedule. It'll be

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different tomorrow. But we've got you here now. We love

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your podcast, of course. And Elon Musk has gone from

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being the darling of the left because he's the guy.

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He's an immigrant, he came here, he's high tech. He

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envisioned what the future of electric cars can be. God

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blessed this guy. And now he's a Nazi. And I

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was going back and trying to figure out the point

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of which things began to turn on him. And I

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actually think that the progressives began to turn on Elon

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Musk the moment that he launched a convertible sports car

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into space. I think that was the first moment that

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they realized that there was an American vibe to this guy,

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that they didn't like, but of course he's a Nazi.

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Speaker 5: It was surprising that he even started out with their

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support because the left, and by the way, we always

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refer to the far right, but the left is only

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just the left. But the left so hate wealth creation,

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they so resent the very wealthy same donors that they

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then go to the back door to get money from.

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And so I'm surprised that he did have that support.

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But then, of course once he came out for Trump,

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and it cannot have been an easy decision.

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Speaker 2: I think he really.

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Speaker 5: Genuinely feared for America's future and his being an adopted

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US citizen, he has the zeal of a convert, and

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he cares a hell of a lot more about many

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American issues than most Americans do, and I think the

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First Amendment is paramount among them.

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Speaker 1: Well, that brings us to X or Twitter, and I've

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given up calling it Twitter, I just have. I'm sorry,

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I lost, I give in. It's X. So he buys X,

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which everybody regards as an absolute folly, Musk's folly. I'm

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surprised they didn't call it. And it's like a rich man,

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It's like Jeff Bezos writing, you know, buying a newspaper,

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except you get the feeling that Bezos does not spend

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every day obsessively reading every single article in it and

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responding to it, whereas you really get the feeling that

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Musk is camped on this thing and actually using it

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to shape a national narrative, which is what appalls people

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on the left and gladdens some people on the right.

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I'll let Charlie get in here for a second, but

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is that your feeling about it, that his stewardship or

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his destruction and turning it into a right wing Nazi cabal,

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that X and Musk have been instrumental in shifting a

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national vibe.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's so sad that when one immigrant to

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America and the world's richest man decides to favor free

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speech and just let it go. Man, go ahead on

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the platform, and we'll let you say as much as

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possible that that ends up being looked at in the

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way you just described it as such a terrible negative thing,

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that it's a conservative agenda. I was in college in

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the decades ago. The liberals were the ones who wanted

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to live and let live. Hey, man, you live your

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life the way you want, and you know, free speech,

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and gosh, now several decades later, it's totally flip flopped

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around and the liberals do you know that something like

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I forget this?

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Speaker 2: Do I think?

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Speaker 5: It's one third of Americans and this isn't a twentieth

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poll taken over twenty five years for our sentiments on

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the First Amendment. One third of Americans say it is

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more important to prevent hate speech than it is to

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protect free speech. And that's just horrifying. And then another

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one third or so say, man, I don't know, Well,

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that's really bad that you guys don't know. Along comes

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are adopted US citizen who says lesson six.

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Speaker 2: You know, my book offers eleven lessons.

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Speaker 5: Of ela on. Lesson six is free speech is everything?

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Stand up and be heard. And he's done so at

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great expense to his own personal pocket of once your

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worth four hundred billion. Who cares? I mean, he lost

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forty percent and so did his investors. On Twitter turned X.

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After that first year, all we saw James was story

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after story and the liblet lamestream media saying he's ruined

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to Twitter, He's breaking Twitter, He's destroyed Twitter. Today X

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is the single most powerful, influential platform in the world,

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and he made it that way by freeing it, not

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by pursuing an agenda. But yeah, he comes out and

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he takes sites. Now that's a bad idea when you're

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a CEO. He wants to sell cars to one hundred

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percent of the audience, He's just turned off half the audience.

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Speaker 2: Why would he do that.

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Speaker 5: He did it because he loves America and he loves

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the First Amendment. I truly believe his intent is good,

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which is why I'm so offended to see this stupid

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dim wit media backlasher. It's it's a Nazi salute. It's

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see Kyle, give me a break. This man wore a

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medallion in honor of the Hamas taken hostages around his

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neck for a year when he was given that by

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the parents of a hostage he is.

477
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just ridiculous. First was Trump, and.

478
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 5: Then we had a huge backlash by voters and viewers saying,

479
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,440
you know, a liberal media, he's not Hitler. What are

480
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,000
you talking about. I'm now seeing he's not Hitler. First

481
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,119
we had that, and then now they've kind of transported

482
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,519
over to Musk and it's such a tired card to play.

483
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: It's really sad.

484
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 4: So is he crazy? And I say that affectionately because

485
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,880
my worry about the illiberalism you're mentioning, aside from the

486
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,839
fact that it's just not how the United States works

487
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,279
or should work, is that when you start pressuring people,

488
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:15,319
when you create a conformist culture, what you do is

489
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:20,000
you push out the sort of people who are eccentric

490
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,319
or odd, but who are brilliant and who will push

491
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:27,279
your society forward. And worse than that, you prevent others

492
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,759
from flowering. And I've written about this before. I've talked

493
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,079
about it a lot. If you look back at some

494
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,640
of the great figures in American history, some of them

495
00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:41,119
were crazy, literally crazy. Same in Britain. Some of them

496
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,599
were also evil, which I don't think Musk is. But

497
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,720
Henry Ford was a terrible, terrible person. He was also

498
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,480
a great genius who invented the curR industry. Is Musk

499
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,640
someone that we should look at and say, all right,

500
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,599
he's a weirdo who is off the charts brilliant and

501
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,119
the greatest industrialist in a century? Or is that more

502
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,400
calculs related? What was your conception of him when you

503
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,400
were looking into him and writing the book.

504
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 5: I would say, I would say that there's a ninety

505
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,759
percent is the real part and the genius, and it's

506
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:15,759
this mix of what the Edison Einstein jobs in P. T. Barnum,

507
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,200
there's this ten percent sliver on top that is insane,

508
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,680
that's out of his mind, out of this world. And

509
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:27,279
even though it's only ten percent, it's required to unlock

510
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:31,400
the full value of the ninety percent. This ability, you know,

511
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:37,400
it's a this ability to dream huge dreams. And to

512
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,319
think of going to Mars on a private enterprise approach

513
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,440
instead of just going to government waiting to do it

514
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,039
for the next twenty or thirty or forty years is

515
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,880
truly insane to even think of that. I mean, you know,

516
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,640
Walter Isaacson, in his six hundred and eighty eight page

517
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,559
tome Elon Musk, tells the story of twenty years ago

518
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,200
him going to Russia to buy an engine and tell

519
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,480
him I want to go to Mars, and this engineer,

520
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,039
a famous engineer in Russia, spits on his shoes.

521
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: I had devote a whole chapter.

522
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,519
Speaker 5: To that, with a guy who was there with him,

523
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:12,119
who's introducing him to the Russians of James Cantrell. So yeah,

524
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,599
there is that incredible dream and then he's But the

525
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,160
other thing, though, is he is willing to spend decades

526
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,240
pursuing it. Look at what he just did. There's an

527
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,960
announcement this week FISA. Hey man, we're going to be

528
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,279
the backbone for X money, so you can send your

529
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:29,079
friend on X or your vendor or plumber money over X.

530
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,839
This is something that Elon wanted to do with PayPal.

531
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,799
When Elon twenty years ago invented x dot com, the

532
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,440
everything app, PayPal board said no, ceo said no, boom.

533
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,480
Elon left PayPal, kept X dot com for seventeen years

534
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,559
or something, and then like twenty twenty one or so,

535
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,359
I think it was Elon buys back X dot com

536
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,519
for a million dollars. This is two years before he

537
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:54,599
would moved by Twitter. So the guy was thinking all along,

538
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,000
I'm gonna do that one day. He never gave it up.

539
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,599
And so look at Mars and then I read about this.

540
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,319
I didn't know this. I thought, Okay, he'll make it

541
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,640
to Mars and yay. No, he thinks in thirty years,

542
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
twenty years, we'll have a million people or more on Mars.

543
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,000
But then he's thinking, but then we've got to figure

544
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,359
out a way to make it to the moon of

545
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,319
Jupiter farther out, and from there we should be looking

546
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:21,640
at that asteroid belt. And it's an amazing, bold, grandiose vision.

547
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,359
And as much as he loves optimism, because he says

548
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:28,319
it's the what do you call that, the epigram at

549
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:31,440
the start of the book that I'd rather be optimistic

550
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:35,960
and wrong than pessimistic and right, as optimistic as as

551
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,079
all is, the weird thing is it comes back to

552
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:45,200
a fundamentally bleak view where we are going to expire

553
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,319
as a species if we stay only on this plant

554
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,519
because we're going to blow it up. We can't even

555
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,759
go to the Moon because that's too close to the Earth,

556
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,279
and when the Earth blows up, the Moon's going to

557
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,119
get bleussed. We've got to get to Mars. So it's

558
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,359
kind of a pessimistic, bleak view that's motivating this incredibly

559
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,640
buoyant vision.

560
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:08,039
Speaker 1: Well, any solar events such as a supernova, the rest

561
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,799
of it would pretty much fry Mars as well. Maybe

562
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:13,880
he's talking about an extinction level event where a big

563
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,720
rock hits the Earth and we better have a backup.

564
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,160
But he's right, if we don't get off this rock.

565
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:23,319
Then that's it. Then the only expression of humanity will

566
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,160
be this small little craft that's going out there with

567
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,359
a laser disc of Beethoven and Chuck Berry. And that's

568
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,319
not enough. I mean, it's more probably than most species get.

569
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:35,319
And it's great. But it's a science fiction imagination that

570
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,359
he has. It's a star trek imagination that he has.

571
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,759
It says, looks these things are actually plausible. These things

572
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,640
actually there's a reason. There's an underlying reason for that.

573
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,440
If I may go on and Charles, did that answer

574
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,160
a question or not?

575
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

576
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely, okay, but.

577
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,079
Speaker 5: There's an underlying reason. Okay, My book has these eleven lessons,

578
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,359
one per chapter. It's eleven lessons that I argue fuel

579
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,279
Elon's enormous success on so many different fronts. And what

580
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:01,799
can we borrow from that to build a better life

581
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:04,519
for ourselves Because a lot of us are living lives

582
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,480
of quiet desperation. We are underachieving, we are not taking

583
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,400
on risk, we are not loving out loud and living

584
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,799
out loud. How does Elon do it? It's not just because

585
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:15,960
he's rich. He's always done it. And I believe that

586
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,759
the first lesson, and the publisher told me dude mentioned

587
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:23,000
this last Okay, it's just too weird. The first lesson

588
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:26,519
is all of this may be fake, so just go

589
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,480
for it. He believes that we live inside a computer simulation.

590
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,079
He believes the chances are billions to one in favor

591
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,640
of this idea. And while it might have started out

592
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,559
as a thought experiment, he came to embrace it. And

593
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,039
once you believe that, And what I argue in the

594
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,359
in the leadership genius of Elon Musk is well, let's

595
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:53,480
say you did. Let's see if it were real. Well, now,

596
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,759
wouldn't you take bigger risks in your life? Wouldn't you

597
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,799
speak out? Wouldn't you live a bigger life? Because is

598
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:02,720
the game, You've got to make it as entertaining as possible.

599
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,559
And I think that drives a lot of what Elon does.

600
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:10,160
It frees him to take on extraordinary thoughts and projects.

601
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:14,319
Look at the brain chip. You know, he's helped two quadriplegics.

602
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,880
I think it is, you know, get some kind of

603
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,720
control of computer streams through this brain chip. But his

604
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,640
real vision there, guys, is in thirty years, millions of

605
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,119
people will have a brain chip to help them communicate

606
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,720
with AI faster, because right now, talking with AI, because

607
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,839
AI can operate in trillions per second of floating point

608
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,880
operations or something. So talking to AIAI feels like it's

609
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240
talking to a tree. It asks it something of you,

610
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,680
but it's taking forever in its time for you to answer.

611
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,920
And he says, eventually we'll have these chips ourselves. I mean,

612
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,160
the guys just so amazingly beyond anything we've ever seen before.

613
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: So why did he become a Republican? What happened to

614
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:01,640
move him from being that guy who you said has

615
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,599
always been like this in his disposition about who was

616
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,400
all in for Obama to becoming a guy who stood

617
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,720
on stage with Trump. And if you look at the

618
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,599
absurd accusation that he did a Nazi Salid, it was

619
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,400
exuberance over Trump's win, which was a shift for him

620
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,200
given his position fifteen years ago. What happened there?

621
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: So two things happened to him. Democrats and live with media.

622
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:35,359
I mean the Democrats. And I have been a registered

623
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,480
Democrat all my life. I still am because if you're

624
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:45,400
in New York primary Democrat primary determines who's getting into office.

625
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,319
Although now in recent years I have not voted because

626
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,279
I just think I'm not voting for any Democrat ever again,

627
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,119
because they left me. They went so woke and so

628
00:33:56,359 --> 00:34:01,240
stupidly liberal. And this whole race identity, that you are,

629
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:04,000
what your skin color is, not what you have achieved,

630
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,720
not what you're striving for. This whole shift toward we

631
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:11,880
want equity and equal outcomes for everyone, regardless of the

632
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,079
amount of effort they put into it. That's equity instead

633
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:19,599
of equality and equal opportunity to make the most of yourself.

634
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,679
All right, sometimes there's not enough opportunity in some sectors

635
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,159
and some among some people are at work on that.

636
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,760
But what they did, my God, and look at it.

637
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: They swept in one word seamlessly with another, because they

638
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,079
seem like they're the same. Equity, equality, what's the difference?

639
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,719
Since everybody wants equality or believes in it fundamentally is

640
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,639
a cornerstone of American identity, all of these equity just

641
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,079
gets swapped in there when it's a totally different concept.

642
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,559
Speaker 5: It was just adopted by New York City voters election

643
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,400
or two ago, where equity is put into our New

644
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,559
York Charter, that we seek equity and everything, and it's

645
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,519
just awful and it's antithetical to what Elon believes. So

646
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,920
you look at how the Democrats went crazy and were

647
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,280
allowed to because of the media. And I was a reporter, editor,

648
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,920
on air anchor for CNBC and Fox Business for a

649
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,280
total of over thirty years, and I don't recognize a

650
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,639
lot of the media today. And by the way, it

651
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480
might add to self important to even think of it,

652
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,800
but might add to you know, some media not doing

653
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,800
stories on this book, when they did plenty of stories

654
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,440
on Breaking Twitter, that book that came out and the

655
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,880
character limited another by three New York Times reporters, you know,

656
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,039
going after Elon and attacking him. But when the media

657
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,639
abandoned their role as watchdog of both sides, and they

658
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:39,880
were always kind of more left, and when I worked

659
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,760
at the Wall Street Journal and at Forbes, I was

660
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,920
always more conservative than most of my colleagues. And still

661
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,880
once they abandoned even trying to hide the liberalism and

662
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,159
the bias they had in the media, well then there's

663
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,159
nothing stopping the Democrats, and they weren't stopping themselves. And

664
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:01,480
I think Elon just felt like, oh my god, we've

665
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,519
got to do something because the Republicans are just not

666
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,000
very good at it. Okay, they're just not very good

667
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,039
at marshaling. You know, they fight so much among themselves,

668
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,880
the Republicans. It's really kind of touching to me that

669
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,239
they don't even manage to marshal a good force a

670
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,360
FAILANX going after the opposition. They're too busy fighting amongst themselves. Look,

671
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,840
they can barely even get cabinet approvals for Trump. You

672
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,039
got Republicans voting against him when he just won the

673
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,119
way he won. So I think Elon stepped in and

674
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,159
it was a multiplier effect as a matter of fact.

675
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:40,119
And I'm stealing this from someone else. It's just on

676
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,360
the wise guys. John Tobacco on Newsmax, he's this, you know,

677
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,639
Staten Island guy Italian. He plays up the whole angle

678
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:49,760
and it's just a wonderful time to go on there

679
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,840
and talk with him. And someone else there said, well,

680
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,519
it's not just that what Elon said, it's that he

681
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,519
freed the X platform to let everyone else say whatever

682
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,559
they were going to say. That was the bigger factor

683
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,159
when we had Twitter, Facebook, all of those guys in

684
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:12,199
with government, letting literally dozens of agencies Department of Defense, CIA, FBI,

685
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:17,280
the White House request hey, muzzle these accounts play up

686
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,920
these other accounts. It was all a liberal agenda. They

687
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,119
were silencing literally thousands of conservative voices that millions of

688
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:27,039
people had the right to listen to, and the media

689
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:30,880
did not even cover that scandal. I did more columns

690
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,239
and more podcasts on the Twitter files revelations. Then the

691
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,239
entire staff of the New York Times and the Washington

692
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,519
Post combined. I did a story count and looked at it.

693
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,480
But in the media, when did they stop believing in

694
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,239
and defending free speech? It was up to an immigrant,

695
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,719
it was up to a US adopted citizen, Elon Musk,

696
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,239
to free that platform and then forgive the filibuster guys.

697
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,679
But what happened next? Mark flipp and Zuckerber comes out

698
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,840
and says, the government pressured us. We were wronged to

699
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,639
bow to that. I want to he literally said the words,

700
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,719
restore free expression to Facebook, Instagram threads.

701
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,199
Speaker 2: The member of threads was the Twitter killer.

702
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,079
Speaker 5: Oh yes, and today it's at less than half of

703
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,599
x but even and he says that, I'm not going

704
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,480
to rely on mainstream media for fact checking, and I'm

705
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:25,880
firing the fact checking agencies. I know a guy who

706
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,840
knows the guy they're going to lose half their employees

707
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,320
because they were making millions on this this censorship industrial complex.

708
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,519
That's not because they think we're in trouble. It's because

709
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:36,920
they want to make millions. Okay, that's the profit motive,

710
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,760
but my gosh, the whole thing is just out of control.

711
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:45,840
And Elon and freeing X allowed us to fight back,

712
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,239
and not enough of us are speaking up. I think

713
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,280
this is that same survey shows like forty percent of

714
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,960
people have never posted online because they fear getting called

715
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,760
out or canceled. Well, it's time more of us did

716
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,480
stand up and make ourselves heard because because the liberals

717
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,920
went way too far and there was too much silence

718
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,360
from the other side. Afraid of being somehow racist or

719
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,000
sexist or hitlarian.

720
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:17,039
Speaker 1: Or canceled or called up and having yourself doxed and

721
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,519
squatted because somebody doesn't like what you say and as

722
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,519
a bug in their bonnet about you. Now you're right there,

723
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:26,360
I mean, the previous commitment to free speech and free

724
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,679
expression was thrown out the window the minute it seemed

725
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,800
as if the other side would would would take advantage

726
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,639
of it to challenge the prevailing narrative and what the

727
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:39,519
prevailing narrative was COVID was an absolute came out of

728
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:42,840
a wet market when a panglein farted, and Trump was

729
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,639
unquestionably a Russian agent. When those things were the truth,

730
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:49,480
that any pushback against them was seen not only just

731
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:54,280
as disinformation but a social evil that had to be oppressed.

732
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,800
It doesn't matter whether or not years later people find

733
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,960
out that's not the case. We'll just shrug and go

734
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:01,719
as usual. No, we're not going to shrug and go

735
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,719
on as usual, because we saw how the instruments of

736
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,599
the state were brought to bear against the instruments of

737
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,760
information dissemination, and it's not going to happen again. And

738
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,880
the people who just want to blindly pretend that it

739
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:18,679
didn't are It's remarkable how they've just memory hold. I've

740
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,719
said this before, is that nineteen eighty four turns out

741
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,039
to have been a volunteer project. We ourselves a memory

742
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:27,960
hold the necessary information. We put the listening devices in

743
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,840
our own home. Willingly, too many people have volunteered for that,

744
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,280
and must doesn't have that spirit. We'll let you go

745
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,679
with this. One of the things that I really enjoy

746
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,440
about the guy, and he's weird, he's strange, I think,

747
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,480
like Charlie says, he's crazy in many ways, and he says,

748
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,960
and it is susceptible to things and may have a

749
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,440
attention span of a gnat on a hot plate. But

750
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,360
also he's made those cars. Also, he's made a company

751
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,519
that bores holes in the ground where the cars can go,

752
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,559
and even named it the Boring Company, which I think

753
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,360
is delightful. He's made the Neuralink, which is going to

754
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,639
be a fascinating I'm not a transhumanist, but we'll see

755
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,559
where this goes. And what he's done in space has

756
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,480
revitalized the American imagination, or at least it should have

757
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:14,559
the idea somehow that after all those years of boring

758
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,199
shuttle flights and nothing really happening, and space just sort

759
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,400
of becoming nothing but the International Space Station up there,

760
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,000
which probably smells like old diapers and has a bunch

761
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,000
of guys who are doing experiments on whether or not

762
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,639
aggar can form bubbles and zero G. I mean, I

763
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:33,159
don't know. We have rockets going up all the time

764
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,639
and landing like the rockets of your like the ones

765
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:38,760
of the science fiction movies that we saw as a kid,

766
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,599
or caught by the by the little pinches that come

767
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,960
out and gently take it to the earth. The imaginative,

768
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,320
illustrative potential of this is so invigorating that how anybody

769
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,920
can watch this and see there must have released a

770
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,840
wonderful time lapse photography of rockets of x rockets going

771
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,760
off over the years, and it's just like, what a

772
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,280
remarkable civilization we are that this we can do. And

773
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,000
to scatter the skies with satellites that can give Internet

774
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:14,800
to the whole world. Where a sclerotic government spends seventy

775
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,480
three billion dollars to wire a broadband at the barn

776
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:21,000
somewhere and can't get it done, and this guy has

777
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,800
a constellation of objects up there which can provide infra.

778
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:26,480
I'll leave with this. There was a guy on Twitter

779
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:29,239
who said, I, you know, I like the old days

780
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,320
when the billionaires would build like a library in small

781
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,559
towns instead of trying to go to Mars. And I thought,

782
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:38,760
you idiot. The Carnegie Libraries were great for the time,

783
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,159
of course, but every single one of those starlingk panels

784
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:49,440
is itself a Carnegie Library times a million. So let's

785
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,599
say it isn't Mars. Could it possibly be that a global, interconnected,

786
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:59,599
non governmental, free information society that Starlink enables may in

787
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,719
the end run be the greatest thing that he did.

788
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: I certainly hope.

789
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 5: So at the same time, let's remember that the Internet

790
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,280
began as ann instrument of freedom, and government's helped fund

791
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,960
it start, and then governments quickly turned the Internet and

792
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,360
online commentary is their way of surveilling all of their people.

793
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,280
And now we have our allies in the UK jailing

794
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,039
people because of what they post on the Internet, which

795
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,639
was supposed to free us. Let's remember also that Republicans

796
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,079
will be every bit as willing to try to censor

797
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,280
voices they don't like as the Democrats. I really believe

798
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,719
that during the Trump administration they requested fifty five hundred

799
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,480
accounts on Twitter be silence, and so it's up to

800
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:40,199
the people to stand up. But if they have a

801
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,599
platform like x, if they have a satellite uplink, access

802
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,440
of the way Musk is providing we can get around government.

803
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:50,960
I mean, I don't think Musk trusts the Republicans all

804
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,039
that much more than he trusts Democrat because Musk doesn't

805
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:57,719
trust government. So I appreciate what you just said about Musk.

806
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,840
I mean, you're taking all the stuff I would have said,

807
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:04,360
make me sound less, so less kind of like, you know,

808
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,119
adoring it.

809
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:07,079
Speaker 1: I'm just talking. You wrote the book.

810
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: I'm just you know, so the question is, I mean,

811
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,239
you're right there. He gives us vision and excitement. He

812
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,840
believes that all of life, this is less than eleven.

813
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:19,599
That the most ironic outcome, the opposite of what expected,

814
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,599
or the most entertaining outcome, is the most likely outcome.

815
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,280
Because he does believe in that simulation, you wouldn't run

816
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,119
a simulation and boring outcomes. Well, his going for those

817
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:32,320
most entertaining, incredible opposite outcomes. That gives us hope, That

818
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,320
gives us the ability to dream big, huge dreams. So

819
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,639
apply some of his techniques to your own life, build

820
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:42,840
a better life, or feel better about the life you have.

821
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,239
That's what these eleven lessons could do. That's what I'm selling, baby,

822
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,559
I really believe in it. I feel so grateful that

823
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:52,079
I've been allowed to publish this book. Thank you to

824
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,320
HarperCollins and Eric Nelson, the editor who came up with

825
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,639
the idea. Wasn't my idea, but then when I ran

826
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,320
with it, it just fit. All these eleven lessons and you'll

827
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,760
be amazed at how they ter Locke and feed off

828
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,920
of each other. And I really hope that people can

829
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,840
get something out of it.

830
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,559
Speaker 1: The leadership genius of Elon Musk by Dennis Neil and

831
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:12,519
of course Dennis can be found in his own podcast

832
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:14,559
here where you can find out exactly what is bugging

833
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,039
him here at the ricochet Atio Network. Dennis, it's been great.

834
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,199
It's a great subject. And your book I look forward.

835
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,119
I mean, smart guy. He always gave us a couple

836
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,320
two or three of the eleven. Folks got to buy

837
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,239
the book to get all eleven points and see how

838
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,239
they apply to their own life. Thanks a lot. We'll

839
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,039
talk to you later, Dennis. Have a glorious day you two.

840
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,000
You know when you get to Mars though, And that's

841
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,239
the thing. It's just it's amusing to me that the

842
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,079
people who used to be excited about the the humanity

843
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,880
is spreading out. Like back in the sixties when we

844
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,960
had good liberals like Geene Roddenberg, you would come up

845
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,800
with this whole big narrative about we're going into space

846
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,599
from doing wonderful things out there, We're going to bring

847
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:54,199
the best of American human values out there. Now of course,

848
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,480
that's seen as I'm sure colonization and extractive. So it's right.

849
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,599
You can't go to act in an extractive fashion because

850
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,920
that's the wrong thing. And besides, it's silly because it's

851
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,880
very cold and people will die. Well. I think that

852
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,840
probably takes some warm blankets there. And you know, the

853
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,920
thing of it is, is warm blankets here at this

854
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,840
time of the year. I gotta tell you, I live

855
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,920
in a place where the temperature today is fifty five

856
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,599
degrees what it was a month or a week ago.

857
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:23,599
Because it gets cold here, it gets cold fast. And

858
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:26,760
when it does, that's one of my hat that's when

859
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,599
I want to just go home and crawl under the covers.

860
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,480
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861
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863
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864
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:46,760
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865
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,480
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866
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,000
to set for yourself, they should be about relaxation and

867
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recharging and soaking in a sense of peace. While with

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869
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Now I don't have my Cozy Earth sheets yet. I

871
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will soon, but I understand that Charles is availed himself

872
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873
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about them? Again? Oh?

874
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875
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this is I don't have to retreat from the cold

876
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and hide under them like you. I'm not reliant upon

877
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them for survival. I am a recreational user of the sheets.

878
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I sleep in them, but I don't have to. I

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choose to, in fact, and I think that is probably

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a great endorsement, is that I choose to use these

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sheets and I don't.

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couple of things before we go here. Deep Seek supposedly

895
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,239
stocks tanked, hair was pulled, sweat was exuded. People wondered

896
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,519
whether or not it was over for American AI Stargate

897
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,280
in trouble because the Chinese apparently were able to run

898
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,519
a far superior AI on. I think they're running it

899
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:43,239
on the CPU from a TIMEX watch from nineteen seventy

900
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,280
nine or something like that. They're very proud of it.

901
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,320
How do you take all this? I've got an opinion,

902
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,079
But what do you think.

903
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,519
Speaker 4: I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical of these claims and I'm skeptical

904
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,679
of the response. Let me give you a few reasons

905
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,559
I'm skeptical. One, I think they've got a bunch of

906
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,239
really high powered and video chips that they smuggled in

907
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:10,039
through Singapore. Two, the Chinese Communist Party is full of

908
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,719
lying liars who lie, and the claims that they make

909
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:22,199
or to be taken with that understanding. Three, the scale

910
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:28,679
of Chinese industrial espionage is such that if indeed they

911
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,559
stole a lot of this, and goodness me, they steal everything,

912
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:38,119
then sure they will have been able to cut some

913
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:41,320
of the development time. But they're not ahead of us.

914
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,079
They're behind us, and they're merely echoing what we've done.

915
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,119
And the fourth reason I'm skeptical is that when everyone

916
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,440
started using this product, they very quickly said, oh, now,

917
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,559
no one else can sign up. This is only to

918
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,079
be used by people who have Chinese phone numbers, which

919
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,599
is the sort of thing do if you look at

920
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:06,800
your metrics and realizing you're hitting server capacity, but don't

921
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,760
want to say that, because your entire claim rests upon

922
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,519
the idea that you can scale this up for a

923
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:17,079
fraction of the cost. Now, it doesn't mean nothing was

924
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,719
done here. They have the second move of advantage, of course,

925
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:25,119
but I am skeptical of this. And my last thought

926
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:31,760
on this is, don't install it on your phone. Seriously, no,

927
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,760
not install it on your phone.

928
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: It's a keyboard ladder.

929
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 4: It is absolutely amazing to me that we've just been

930
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,480
through this TikTok saga. There is a Supreme Court case

931
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:48,400
you can read. It was nine to nothing, and it

932
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,800
includes a whole bunch of information that even I hadn't

933
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,679
read as someone who's interested in this about the extent

934
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,679
to which TikTok was Chinese spyware. And a few weeks

935
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,599
after this happened, the American public voluntarily said, shure, why

936
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:08,440
not download the latest Chinese spy app. It records your

937
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:10,840
key strokes, it records your IP address, It can tap

938
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,840
into the geolocation services on your phone, and it says,

939
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,559
literally in the terms and services, this is not a secret,

940
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,280
this is not subterfuge. It literally says on the bit

941
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,239
you have to press with your finger that the data

942
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,880
that it collects and it lists all of the elements,

943
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,360
will be stored in China and could be accessed by

944
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,960
the Chinese Communist Party. So here's my thing. In addition

945
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,039
to my skepticism, it is not going to miss on

946
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,760
me that having lost the last mass surveillance tool that

947
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,320
the Chinese managed to inject into the American market, they

948
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suddenly came up with another one. And Americans for some

949
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reason said, oh, where do I get that? Don't do it? Please,

950
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don't do it.

951
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Speaker 1: I have nothing more to add to that, masterfully said,

952
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And no, I won't, and I don't. I don't like

953
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AI at all. I use it all the time. I

954
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find it. We've had this conversation before, and I used Gemini,

955
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:12,079
the spoken back and forth interactive one that Google put out.

956
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And I always find it interesting that when it says

957
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something that I know to be untrue, which is interesting

958
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because it will go off and scurry and get its

959
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stuff from its sources and come back and say something

960
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,760
and I know that that's wrong, and I will tell it.

961
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It will just blithely say you're right, I was mistaken,

962
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and proceed at full steam with the same amount of

963
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:39,360
confidence that it had before. CNN, CNN, AI, DEI, the

964
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,559
acronyms of the day. There's nothing much to say about

965
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,280
the dreadful accident in Washington, d C in the airs

966
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other than to regret, deplore and to all the things

967
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,719
you do in this international tragedy like this. The secondary

968
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,800
conversation that is being had about that is the is

969
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,519
the reaction of people to it. And when I got this,

970
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I was on the treadmill when this happened, and I

971
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,559
was looking at this and I was convinced that when

972
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:12,440
I went to Twitter, I'm sorry two X, that everybody

973
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,719
would have gone into two camps. And I knew that

974
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,440
there were going to be people who said, well, this

975
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:19,480
is DEI in action. And I knew that there are

976
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,039
going to be people who said, well, this is because

977
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,920
of Trump, that Trump fired the FAA director, and Trump

978
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is going to cut the butty that this is true.

979
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And I was astonished to find it. But the ratio,

980
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,840
interestingly enough, on X, which is supposedly, of course the

981
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:38,400
Nazi platform, was like seven to one blaming Trump. Again,

982
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that may be my algorithm. I've sort of liked to

983
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,639
culture disparate dissident voices on ex at least in regards

984
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,320
to what I think. So I'm not in a bubble.

985
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,440
But when I rent to Reddit, and you know, it's

986
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:54,360
virtually the same thing there. The problem is is that

987
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,760
when Trump comes out and says without any evidence, you

988
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,960
know whatsoever, it starts to put that a different way.

989
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,559
The message that people had gotten is that Trump came

990
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:07,639
out and blamed DEI and they don't know what the

991
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:12,679
backstory to that is. Do you think Charles that were

992
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,000
going to that there will be a fuller because I

993
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,760
don't think that had anything to do with what happened.

994
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,800
I really I don't. I may be wrong, but I don't.

995
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,239
But there is a conversation to be had about how

996
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,360
the previous administrative I believe it was under Obama, changed

997
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,039
what they were doing in order to reconfigure the demographic

998
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:36,519
population of the FAA, and I assume the air traffic controllers.

999
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,840
Is this a conversation all ready to have?

1000
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 4: I think two things simultaneously. I think having DII in

1001
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,239
any organization is immoral, and I also think that it

1002
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,639
is a problem because you are, by definition eschewing meritocracy.

1003
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,559
The second thing I think is that it is unlikely

1004
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,360
that it is the proximate cause of this particular incident,

1005
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,960
and I think those who are making the second claim wrong.

1006
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:01,719
It's a little bit like and forgive me if you've

1007
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,719
heard me say this on another show elsewhere, but it's

1008
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,039
a little bit like gas prices, where you can make

1009
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,880
the sophisticated case, the correct case, I think, which is

1010
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,639
that it's a country. We should have a drill baby

1011
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,920
drill approach. We should open up lands, we should encourage investment,

1012
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,880
we should create as much cheap energy as we can

1013
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,719
and end up with cheap energy. That's a correct argument.

1014
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,719
What it's usually not correct is that the transient change

1015
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,559
in gas prices is the product of whoever happens to

1016
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:30,840
be president at that moment.

1017
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: No, I mean no, it's not going to go up

1018
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,920
ten cents or fifteen cents. Here is more likely to

1019
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,719
be the effect of supplies of the California switching over

1020
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,760
to a different blend or something like that. But you

1021
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,679
have to but the aggregate effect over the years is

1022
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,280
the result of executive actions like striking down a pipeline

1023
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,239
or exactly.

1024
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 4: And so what I think is probably true is that

1025
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,960
our air traffic control system is not as good as

1026
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,079
it could be because of decisions that were made by

1027
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,159
Obama and Biden. I don't think that this accident and

1028
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,480
happened because of DEI, and I think it's a mistake

1029
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:08,920
to make that claim. Certain if you don't know anything concrete,

1030
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,760
I would just say that flying is unbelievably safe, and

1031
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,480
this is a horrible accident. It's the first accident is

1032
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:21,000
two thousand and nine. The sum total of deaths in

1033
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,679
commercial aviation accidents in the United States in the last

1034
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:25,719
fifteen years is sixty seven, and they all died two

1035
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,360
days ago. There was sixty passengers, four crew on the plane,

1036
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,079
and three soldiers in the helicopter. That is horrendous. I

1037
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:37,679
feel very sad about it. I also know that in

1038
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,800
the same period, since two thousand and nine, one thousand

1039
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,800
Americans have been killed by wasps. There are so many

1040
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,360
flights in a year that it boggles the mind. Eight

1041
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,280
hundred million Americans fly every year, or eight hundred million

1042
00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:01,840
passengers in the United States. There are around fifteen billion

1043
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,679
passengers in the last twenty years in the United States,

1044
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:12,280
and we have had very very few accidents, let alone

1045
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,639
fatal accidents that the safety record is fabulous. An occasionally

1046
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:21,480
you're going to get a freak accident like this, and

1047
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:25,079
to try and blame it on a proposed hiring freeze

1048
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,320
that hadn't affected anything yet, that was submitted eight days

1049
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,480
prior to the crash is just rank stupidity. To try

1050
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:36,840
and blame it on this president or that president, or

1051
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,880
this policy or that president without evidence is ranked stupidity.

1052
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,079
The statistical likelihood is that once in a while this

1053
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,960
is going to happen, and we will learn from this,

1054
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:48,679
and we will, as we have in the past, make

1055
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:51,559
it less likely next time, and probably air travel will

1056
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,360
get safe for as a result of this, as it

1057
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,800
did after the two thousand and nine crash in Buffalo,

1058
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,440
as it did after the post nine to eleven in

1059
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,920
Queen's and asaid did after nine to eleven. But I

1060
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,559
just think that we have reached a point, James, which

1061
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:11,639
far too many people are so obsessed with politics and

1062
00:58:11,719 --> 00:58:14,320
parties and politics at that and in particular who is

1063
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,239
the president, that they have come to treat presidents as

1064
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,880
talismans who are responsible for every single thing that happens,

1065
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:25,320
and have thus concluded that when something awful like this happens,

1066
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,239
when a military helicopter hits a passenger jet and sixty

1067
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,840
seven people die, that it must be because of what

1068
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,119
the person sitting in the White House did. And I

1069
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:38,599
don't think it's a very good model for evaluating aviation safety.

1070
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: No, it isn't. No. I spend a lot of time

1071
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,920
in old newspapers, and if you go back to the

1072
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,519
early days of commercial aviation, the number of planes that

1073
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:49,320
regularly fell out of the sky was just astonishing. I mean,

1074
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,840
I'm surprised they didn't have a standing illustration that they

1075
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,760
could just slap on these things. You know, some cartoon

1076
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,960
plane with a question mark and exclamation point coming in.

1077
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,519
They went down all the time, and people still got

1078
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,280
up on them and made it and a got better,

1079
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,639
and it's the miracle that it is today. I love

1080
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:05,519
to fly. I love to look out the window. I

1081
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:07,360
love to leave the earth and join the you know,

1082
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,079
the great beyond on the other side of the clouds.

1083
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:14,679
It is a you are, you are vouchsafed, and a

1084
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,280
vision which has escaped humanity its entire life. And there

1085
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,960
you are, like a god piercing through these pillowy white landscapes.

1086
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:25,800
It's extraordinary. And yes, we will keep going. But yeah,

1087
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,760
let's take a look at how we're hiring. Let's take

1088
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,079
where we're hiring. Let's and we'll learn and on we go.

1089
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:33,760
We've learned a lot from this podcast, and we will

1090
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,280
go on. We didn't get to the uh to the

1091
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:42,480
point about they've they've found a new painting by Vincent

1092
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,639
van go The only thing that I want to say

1093
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:47,760
about this, Charles is we're running out of time and

1094
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,199
I got eight lunch. Would you say van go or

1095
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:51,800
Van Gough?

1096
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,639
Speaker 4: I would say van Goff, you would Okay? It plays

1097
00:59:56,639 --> 00:59:57,800
for the Detroit lions.

1098
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,719
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'll say Van go there and speak for

1099
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,719
minut America, the true heartbeat of the country. We were

1100
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,639
growing up. By God, we grew up with Van Go

1101
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,880
and Pee King and we're gonna stick with it. Hey, folks,

1102
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,000
thank you for listening, and of course we would love

1103
01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:13,559
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1104
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1112
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1115
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,679
Lolac Charles. Thanks for joining me. We'll see everybody in

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