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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Costin's new.

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<v Speaker 2>Video Thank you, Dan Watkins. As we head into the

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock hour, we will later tonight take in its

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<v Speaker 2>entirety the speech of Vice President Kamala Harris her acceptance

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<v Speaker 2>speech at the United Center in Chicago on this the

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<v Speaker 2>last night of the Democratic National Convention twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>But during this hour, I would like to talk with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd like you to talk with me about the

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<v Speaker 2>latest chapter, the latest chapter in the bombings at the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston marathon on April fifteenth, twenty thirteen. Think about that

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment. The bombings on April fifteenth, twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's now over eleven years ago. It is now twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>So it is. It's eleven years and four months A

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<v Speaker 2>long time, A long time. We know that there were

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<v Speaker 2>two brothers who were involved in this bombing, one of

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<v Speaker 2>whom died in the shootout in Watertown, Massachusetts. The other

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<v Speaker 2>has been sentenced to death, a death penalty that was

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<v Speaker 2>upheld by the US Supreme Court a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>but now finds itself back in the court, back in

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<v Speaker 2>the court of federal judge Jeorje O'Toole, who, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the better, if not one of the best,

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<v Speaker 2>federal judges. I will admit that I have met Judge O'Toole.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had conversations with him, not about this, but he

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<v Speaker 2>is a well respected jurist. And what has happened is

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<v Speaker 2>that now well eleven years and four months later, this

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<v Speaker 2>horrific scar has once again been reopened. And now I

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<v Speaker 2>don't use his name, I simply refer to him as

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<v Speaker 2>Boston bomber number two. He was the individual who placed

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<v Speaker 2>a backpack that took the life of eight year old

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<v Speaker 2>Martin Richard and Lindsay Liu. At that time, she was

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty three year old bost University graduate student from China.

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<v Speaker 2>He also was involved and found responsible for the killing

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<v Speaker 2>of MIT police officer Sean Collier days after the blast.

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<v Speaker 2>What is to me extraordinarily frustrating about this is that

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<v Speaker 2>this guy had a fair trial. His lawyers admitted that

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<v Speaker 2>he had done what he was accused of. He was

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<v Speaker 2>indicted and can victed on thirty counts. The number of

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<v Speaker 2>people who died from this three from the initial bombing,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as the MIT police officer Officer Collier, and

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<v Speaker 2>there were two other deaths, one his brother, who I

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<v Speaker 2>think he might have actually, if I recall correctly, drove

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<v Speaker 2>over him in that shootout. Remember he was discovered a

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<v Speaker 2>day later hiding inside a boat in the backyard of

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<v Speaker 2>a home in Watertown. And also Boston Police officer Dennis Simons,

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<v Speaker 2>who passed away from injuries that he suffered on that day.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty fourteen, two and eighty one people were injured,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them lost limbs, some of them were impacted

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<v Speaker 2>physically for Lifeologically, how many people besides the two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty one who were injured, how many spouses, how

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<v Speaker 2>many children, how many parents lived through recoveries, and how

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<v Speaker 2>many of those folks still Beare the psychological scars as

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<v Speaker 2>well as the physical scars of what happened that day.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we are eleven years later, and we're still

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<v Speaker 2>litigating whether or not he should receive the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I have a very limited view on the death penalty,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is that if there is no doubt, not

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<v Speaker 2>a sentilla of doubt about what an individual did, and

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<v Speaker 2>if there are aggravating circumstances, I myself would be willing

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<v Speaker 2>to pull the switch on Boston Bomber two because he

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<v Speaker 2>fits into that select group of people of people for whom,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, death is the appropriate punishment. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>know lots of friends of mine disagree with me on that,

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<v Speaker 2>but part of the reason that I think these matters

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<v Speaker 2>should be resolved fairly but with finality. Are an example

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, he's been living for eleven years that

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<v Speaker 2>once again his lawyers are in court doing what they

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<v Speaker 2>need to do as lawyers. They are asking that the judge,

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<v Speaker 2>Judge o'tool recuse himself reportedly on statements that Judge o'tool

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<v Speaker 2>has made, either privately or publicly. I'm not aware of

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<v Speaker 2>what those statements are. They also want the background of

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of jurors investigated, and so maybe what their

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<v Speaker 2>goal is is to have another hearing in front of

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<v Speaker 2>a different federal judge on the issue of the death bounty,

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<v Speaker 2>would probably take another if that is granted another year

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<v Speaker 2>and a half or so. In my opinion, that could

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<v Speaker 2>be wrong, and it's just going to reopen so many

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<v Speaker 2>of these scars that impact so many individuals. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>we have the best justice system in the world, and

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<v Speaker 2>we are we have fear to people, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who kill and are convicted of

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<v Speaker 2>murder who I would not want to see executed. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a high profile case like this, which some would

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<v Speaker 2>argue is shows what a great system we have that

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<v Speaker 2>even someone as scurrilous as this guy gets treated fairly.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it and I just begin to wonder

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not I think this guy has had justice,

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<v Speaker 2>He's had due process, and there's just something about this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I speak as a lawyer. I understand what a

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer's role is. And I have a good friend, many

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<v Speaker 2>good friends were a lawyers, one of whom we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to in a moment who probably cann't disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with me on this. So I'm going to invite you

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<v Speaker 2>to call does this bother you? Again? This is B one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even on the front page of the Globe today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's B one. It was. It was a very thorough

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<v Speaker 2>article written by my great friend Shelley Murphy, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>this case as well as anybody. And this is just

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<v Speaker 2>going to go on and on and on, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know that there are those who say, no, he should

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<v Speaker 2>he should be forced to live the rest of his

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<v Speaker 2>life at that Supermax. Well, I disagree, uh, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to hear from you. Are you Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to basically put this case to bed and wish him

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<v Speaker 2>the best of luck and wherever he goes from here

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<v Speaker 2>and his miserable life, or do you feel that he

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<v Speaker 2>deserves yet another bite at the apple, and then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>another bite at the apple until he has finds more apples.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the number. Feel free to join us six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty when we come back, when I talk to my

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<v Speaker 2>good friend Harvey Silverglade, who I know is going to

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with me on this nonetheless, and he will be

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<v Speaker 2>first up on the other side of the break here

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<v Speaker 2>on nightside. I think this is an important story. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you do as well. It's a story that will

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<v Speaker 2>be remembered in Boston for years, for decades. There's no question,

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<v Speaker 2>and those of us who were there or who covered

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<v Speaker 2>the story as I did that night and for the

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<v Speaker 2>next few nights on radio, it was the only story.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the story has been told. We know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, and justice tonight is justice delayed in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on Nightside, we'll start with Harvey, and you are

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<v Speaker 2>more than welcome to join the conversation. Whatever your point

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<v Speaker 2>of view is. You do not have to be a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one seven nine six one seven two five thirty

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about the fate of Boston bomber number two.

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<v Speaker 2>I choose not to use his name. I refer to

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<v Speaker 2>him as Boston bomber number two. You hear, you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>what I have said. I think this has gone on

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<v Speaker 2>now for eleven years, eleven years plus four months. I

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<v Speaker 2>think now we're looking at another delay in in the

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<v Speaker 2>resolution of this case, and probably if it's conceivable, if somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>some way, Judge O'Toole in his investigation concludes that indeed

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<v Speaker 2>two of the jurors were on the death penalty. They

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<v Speaker 2>were on the jury as well as on the death

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<v Speaker 2>penalty phase. UH, he might have to impanel an entire

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<v Speaker 2>new jury to once again RELI the gate whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not Bomber number two should receive the death penalty. With

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<v Speaker 2>me is my friend Harvey Silvergladen. Harvey, I suspect you

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with me on this. We had not talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it during the day. I should have probably called you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm so glad you were listening and have joined

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<v Speaker 2>us here. Do you how strongly do you disagree with me?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask Let me ask it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Harvey, extraordinarily strongly. But let me tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, first of all, a little bit of disclosure

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<v Speaker 3>I represented as a teacher of ZARNAEEV from Cambridge Region

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<v Speaker 3>Latin when he was visited by the FBI doesn't affect

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<v Speaker 3>my views of the case. But I feel that I

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<v Speaker 3>should disclose, and of course, as I always do, I

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<v Speaker 3>refuse to let him talk to the FBI because, as

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't trust the FBI. Okay, So that

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of disclosure is out of the way. It

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<v Speaker 3>has nothing to do with any sense that there is

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<v Speaker 3>any doubt about him being guilty, no question, we rather

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<v Speaker 3>that's correct. It has nothing to do with the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that he deserves to be killed. It has to do

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<v Speaker 3>with the system and uh. And by the way, there

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<v Speaker 3>are many people who think that the life in the

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<v Speaker 3>supermax prison is is worse than death. But we'll forget

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<v Speaker 3>about that for a minute. That's not my argument.

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<v Speaker 2>Is your view? Let me ask you those is that

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<v Speaker 2>your view.

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<v Speaker 3>That the supermax is worse than death? It is if

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<v Speaker 3>I had a choice between spending a life in the

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<v Speaker 3>supermax prison and death. I think our issue's death. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a form of torture. I actually think there should be outlawed.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, this is not the fundamental My opposition is systemic.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason I am opposed to the death penalty is

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<v Speaker 3>I know as a practicing criminal defense and civil liberties lawyer,

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<v Speaker 3>I know how prone the system is to making errors,

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<v Speaker 3>including in cases where everybody is sure that somebody is guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>The National Innocence Project has actually come up with a

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<v Speaker 3>case after years of searching, of somebody whom they can

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<v Speaker 3>would confidently show is executed who is innocent. Everybody is certain,

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<v Speaker 3>Dura is a certain newspaper. People are certain, but there

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<v Speaker 3>is no certainty in any human system. The error is

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<v Speaker 3>human to forgive divine. I'm not talking about the forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about who makes life and death decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me, I don't mean to drop Let me

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<v Speaker 2>just ask a truly simple question, because to stand and

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<v Speaker 2>it has taken the Innocent Project a lot of work

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<v Speaker 2>to find someone who they believe was executed wrongfully. And

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<v Speaker 2>we know it is a human system.

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<v Speaker 4>But the the standards that I just outline, and we've

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<v Speaker 4>talked about this before, is there's no question in your

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<v Speaker 4>mind of this individual's guilt.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, That is correct, okay, No, no sentilla of doubt, convicted,

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<v Speaker 2>pled guilty, no scentilla of doubt, no suggestion that he

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<v Speaker 2>was forced by his lawyers to plead out or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. And having said that, would you consider what

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<v Speaker 2>he did and the way in which he and his

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<v Speaker 2>brother did it aggravating circumstances?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, okay, And that is not my argument. No, I

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<v Speaker 3>know that argument is systemic. If we allow the death penalty,

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<v Speaker 3>it is inevitable, likely inevitable that at some point somebody

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<v Speaker 3>innocent is going to be executed. It may not be

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<v Speaker 3>during our lifetime, but it will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So someone who about whom there would be no scintilla

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<v Speaker 2>of doubt about the guilt. And in addition to that,

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<v Speaker 2>on top of that, aggravating circumstances of a horrific nature.

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<v Speaker 2>And I realize I'm using language, but some people can

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<v Speaker 2>Parson and say it's vague. But if it's I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're opposed to it, you know, philosophically. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>are willing to say no, no sentilla of doubt, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a that's a legal standard. There's no question of doubt

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<v Speaker 3>everybody has their idea of what a sintilla of doubt is.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody has your idea of what absolutely clear in certain cases,

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<v Speaker 3>but inevitably, inevitably, some point, if you have a death penalty,

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<v Speaker 2>My view, your argument, go right ahead. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 3>It is my view that it is better that twenty horrible,

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<v Speaker 3>And that is my art systemic. It's got nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>the system. Okay, what you're a lawyer, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>Were truly who are truly innocent, that the dead before

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<v Speaker 2>before firm and versus Georgia. You're absolutely correct on that.

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<v Speaker 3>But but when they were sentenced, nobody should or at

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<v Speaker 3>And that's my point.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I understand your point, But the point I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>a an individual murder, even if it's no centillary of

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<v Speaker 2>the aggravating circumstances of these bombs being placed behind people

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<v Speaker 2>that I accept your argument for a second, and I

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<v Speaker 2>accept the which is an anti death penalty argument. Does

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<v Speaker 2>that also mean that we should never put people in

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<v Speaker 2>jail because we probably incarcerate more individuals wrongfully then we

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<v Speaker 2>kill individuals wrongfully.

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<v Speaker 3>But incarceration is reversible, Yes, it is. That is you

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<v Speaker 2>But you know how high a standard? We know how

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<v Speaker 2>to convict people beyond a reasonable doubt, but I still

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<v Speaker 3>Well, those are the rules of habeas corpus emotions for

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<v Speaker 3>a new trial. They're all legal standards. They vary from

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's let's do this. Okay, I want to explore

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<v Speaker 3>Can I tell you one Tindy story?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? You want to do it?

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<v Speaker 5>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to wait until after the newscast?

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever you want, it's up to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you wouldn't mind, we have right at nine thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd like to do that and when we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll tell that story. In the meantime, we'll give people

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<v Speaker 2>four to ten thirty six, one, seven, nine, three, one,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. Uh, this is a real case at hand.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never going to win an argument against Harvey Silverglake

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<v Speaker 2>because he's one of the best lawyers that I've ever known.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you have a question, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>think it's an important conversation. We'll be back on Nightside

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<v Speaker 2>with Harvey Silverglade and your phone calls if you'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to take the time to dial back right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is Harvey Silverglade an extraordinary attorney and a

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<v Speaker 2>great friend. Harvey, you said that there was a story

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<v Speaker 2>that you wanted to tell before we went to some

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls, Go right.

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<v Speaker 3>Ahead, right I had a drug case once in which

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<v Speaker 3>the agents had taken pictures of of my client. They're

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<v Speaker 3>doing the drug transaction, so they had photographs and they're

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely sure, and we get the trial, and what they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know was that he was one of two exact

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<v Speaker 3>duplicate twin brothers, and they couldn't figure out which of

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<v Speaker 3>the brothers had done it. There's all kinds of certainties

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<v Speaker 3>that turn out not to be so certain. This is

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<v Speaker 3>this is human life we're talking about, in which the

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<v Speaker 3>strangest things happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I understand, I do understand the argument, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know that you're coming from a place where you do

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<v Speaker 2>not believe under any searchircumstances. I mean, if if Hitler

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<v Speaker 2>had been taken alive in the bunker in Germany, you

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<v Speaker 2>would have you would have argued that he should not

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<v Speaker 2>have been killed executed.

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<v Speaker 3>That is correct because at that point, the amount of

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<v Speaker 3>blood that had been spilled in that war was obscene,

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<v Speaker 3>blood of both soldiers and millions and millions of civilians.

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<v Speaker 3>And the idea that you're going to redress that problem

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<v Speaker 3>by spilling more blood makes absolutely no sense. Well, Hitler

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<v Speaker 3>killed himself. He committed suicide. He didn't want to, right,

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't want to be captured.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I get that. But but but if Hitler had survived,

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<v Speaker 2>if the Allied troops had captured him, the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler spending whatever time he had left in some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of prison, being fed, uh, you know, three meals a

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<v Speaker 2>day and and having a place to lay his head

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<v Speaker 2>at night. Uh It It just seems to me that

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<v Speaker 2>after the amount of carnage that he clearly caused. Now again,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that when you say to me that you

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<v Speaker 2>would not you would defend Hitler from being executed, that

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<v Speaker 2>shows the depth of your passion and the death of

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<v Speaker 3>And I let me say this, Dad, Yeah, Hitler preferred death,

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<v Speaker 3>and he inflicted in himself. He was a coward death.

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<v Speaker 3>He preferred death for himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I understand that. And he was a coward, and

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<v Speaker 2>and he was a monster. And if he had survived,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's any anyone, well maybe you and

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<v Speaker 2>a few others who would say the principle is so important,

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<v Speaker 2>and I and I understand the principle. Let's do this, Harvey.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get some folks involved in it. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to ask you, how much longer you have

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<v Speaker 2>more experience than I do in the courtroom. How much

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<v Speaker 2>longer do you think this this, this entire procedure will continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge O'Toole is supposed to conduct an investigation. I have

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<v Speaker 2>it is his findings, those findings, if if he finds

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<v Speaker 2>recuse himself, I would have to ask you, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>there's a threshold question. Do you think it's likely that

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<v Speaker 2>that Judge o'tol will stay on or will will recuse himself?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think he may recuse himself. What he may

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<v Speaker 3>be recused, But I think this case is going to

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<v Speaker 3>golong for another year and a half or two years

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<v Speaker 3>before it ends at least. And I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>resources going into this would be much better used some

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<v Speaker 3>other fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So what you're saying is that if is that

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<v Speaker 2>the government turned around now and said we agree he

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<v Speaker 2>will not be executed, the case could end, correct, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever funds were going to be expended could be

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<v Speaker 2>put into you know, child education or whatever. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that. But it is conceivable that that this he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get a new trial. This is only

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a determination on whether or not he

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<v Speaker 2>should be executed.

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<v Speaker 3>That is correct, fair enough, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And you think that this will finally be assuming that

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<v Speaker 2>that the that the government pursues this, you think it

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<v Speaker 2>will be concluded within a year or a year and a.

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<v Speaker 3>Half, I say a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so early early twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, when the resources could be used for something much

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And do you believe that there will be other

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<v Speaker 2>issues that that that they that a good lawyer like

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<v Speaker 2>you could develop.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the longer he's alive, the longer case goes forward,

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<v Speaker 3>the more there is a possibility that somebody will show

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<v Speaker 3>up who had some new evidence. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons why.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it will be new evidence of his of his

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<v Speaker 2>guilt or innocence, will it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct, It will not be. It will not be.

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<v Speaker 3>It may be it may be evidence of additional pressure

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<v Speaker 3>that his older brother put on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that goes well, that goes to the that goes

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<v Speaker 2>to the to the to the the That was the

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<v Speaker 2>argument that was made and was rejected at trial. That

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<v Speaker 2>so you're saying that's still an appealable issue.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the newly discovered evidence of this and and of

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<v Speaker 3>course people will be investigating this forever, right, I kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of imagine what the newly discovered evidence would be other

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<v Speaker 2>than someone saying the brother marched him to Boylston Street

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<v Speaker 2>with a gun in his in his side pocket and

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<v Speaker 2>basically told bomber number two, if you don't go through

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<v Speaker 2>with this, I will shoot you to death. Here on

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<v Speaker 2>boils the street. I mean, he's failing that. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see what other evidence could be introduced on that issue,

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<v Speaker 2>do you?

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<v Speaker 3>But you don't even you don't even know if that

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<v Speaker 3>scenario is possible. You know, human life is strange, dand

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<v Speaker 3>it is very strange. I will not predict what's going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen a year and a half from now. I

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<v Speaker 3>will not predict, but evidence may.

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<v Speaker 2>Be so it's conceivable that this could go on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot longer than a year and a half. And what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to I've kind of tried to trap you

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<v Speaker 2>here a little bit, which I shouldn't do. But if

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, someone who comes along and says, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I heard them talking in a cafe, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and he made a threat to his brother, Let's assume,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's someone's imagination, that could be another issue

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<v Speaker 2>that could go back more, which would be another issue

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<v Speaker 2>that would have to be resolved.

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<v Speaker 3>That will go on forever as long as there is

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<v Speaker 3>a death penalty hanging over his head. If the death

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<v Speaker 3>penalty were not in the case, I think that this

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<v Speaker 3>would be over. We would never hear from the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, if there was no death penalty. Clearly the life

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<v Speaker 2>in prison would be done. I get it, I get no,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that. Okay, we got some phone calls, Harvey.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see what people have to say. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>needless to say, you're gonna be nice to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be particularly nice to my guest, Harvey Silverglade,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a great friend of mine and who I

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<v Speaker 2>admire and respect immensely. Paul in Monson, Massachusetts. Paul, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Knight's Side. You're on Nightside with Harvey Silverglade. We're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about death penalty for bomber Boston bomber number two.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh Hi Dan, Hi, Harvey, thanks so much for taking

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<v Speaker 6>my call. I actually live in Munson, but I'm in

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<v Speaker 6>a big truck and water town. Dan, I'll call back

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<v Speaker 6>another time. I know you'd like to hear from truck drivers.

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<v Speaker 6>I can give you a whole rundown on driving a

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<v Speaker 6>big truck and labor economics in the industry. So I guess,

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<v Speaker 6>I guess if you wanted to prep me to that,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe put me on with your producer afterwards. But death

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<v Speaker 6>penalty is near and dear to my heart and my guest,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to speak for miss Silvergate but my

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<v Speaker 6>guess is that on his part, this isn't a matter

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<v Speaker 6>of belief. This is about knowledge and understanding. I've been

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<v Speaker 6>so opposed, completely opposed to the death penalty. I turned

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<v Speaker 6>fifty nine this year. When I was fourteen, I went

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<v Speaker 6>to an Anty International presentation, and I've understood since the

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<v Speaker 6>age of fourteen that civilized societies don't have capital punishment. Basically, now,

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<v Speaker 6>what we're hearing about in the news is barely a

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<v Speaker 6>week goes by. More than once a month somewhere in

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<v Speaker 6>the country, someone is released from prison or jail after

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<v Speaker 6>it was shown that they were wrongly convicted. Given the

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<v Speaker 6>frequency with which we hear these press reports, we can

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<v Speaker 6>easily extrapolate from that that we have executed scores. I

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<v Speaker 6>can't even imagine a number of innocent people who have

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<v Speaker 6>been executed in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Paul, let me jump in for a second. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Harvy will back me up on this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think you that that that formula can work,

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<v Speaker 2>because the Innocence Project has tried to find for many,

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<v Speaker 2>many years cases of actual innocence of people actually being executed,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have found, as I understand that, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not familiar with the case as Harvey is with that case.

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<v Speaker 2>There have been innocent people in this country lynched, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by the Ku Klux Klan and all of that. But

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of going through the judicial process, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I don't think it scores. But let me see

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<v Speaker 2>what Harvey has to say. And again I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>calling in. You obviously support Harvey and his position, which

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<v Speaker 2>is great.

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<v Speaker 7>Can I just say before before Harvest, even if the

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<v Speaker 7>Innocence Project doesn't find a single open and shutcase it is,

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<v Speaker 7>we can extrapolate. We can understand your extrapolation that there

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<v Speaker 7>is no way it hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 6>Please go ahead, and misters okay, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>See if Harvey agrees with you on your extrapolation argument.

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<v Speaker 3>Harvey absolutely agree. It is inevitable that there are more

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<v Speaker 3>than just the one that the Innocence Project has discovered.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a human system, and there are obviously more than

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<v Speaker 3>one error. And I don't think as a moral society

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<v Speaker 3>we can justify the state putting somebody to death if

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<v Speaker 3>it's systemically we know that there are certain number of

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<v Speaker 3>innocent people who are going to be executed. It's as

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<v Speaker 3>simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go ahead, Paul Harvey agrees with you, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You can just you can.

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<v Speaker 7>Just The good news for you, Dan is that you can.

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<v Speaker 6>Just understand that the argument that Harvey is making is correct.

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<v Speaker 6>And no matter what we say, think, do and tell ourselves,

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<v Speaker 6>we can do effective crime and punishment in this country

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<v Speaker 6>without capital punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I disagree, Paul, do me a favor. I disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with that argument. I made it pretty clear that there

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<v Speaker 2>are cases, and again Harvey disagrees with me in this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not going to back from my position that

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<v Speaker 2>there are cases I disagree where there is no sentilla

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<v Speaker 2>of doubt.

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<v Speaker 6>Likes it doesn't matter that there are people.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul, give me the courtesy. Let me at least making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that.

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<v Speaker 3>You understood Erica.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot argue against someone who is inextuably opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>capital punishment. There's no question about that. It's like someone

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<v Speaker 2>who is inexorably opposed to abortion under any set of circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>incess rape, life of the mother. That is a position

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't argue with someone if that's their position.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is that when you have a case

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<v Speaker 2>like the Boston bomber, where there is no question, no

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<v Speaker 2>scintilla of doubt about what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 2>There are aggravating circumstances. You can have a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>goes in to rob a bank and kills someone in

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<v Speaker 2>the process. I don't want that person to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the go to the death penalty because there's no aggravating circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though it's a felony murder, it's not aggravating circumstances

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<v Speaker 2>at the level of the Boston bomber. He put bombs

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<v Speaker 2>beside behind He and his brother put two separate bombs

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<v Speaker 2>behind people who watching the Boston marathon. If you cannot

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<v Speaker 2>authorize the death penalty for this guy, and clearly you

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<v Speaker 2>are someone who is an absolute opponent of the death,

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<v Speaker 2>which you are and which Harvey is, and I respect

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<v Speaker 2>both of your positions, but please don't misrepresent my position.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, I'm not misrepresenting anything.

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<v Speaker 7>It's just it's just it doesn't matter, just doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Well to me, it does, and I think there will

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<v Speaker 2>be others who might agree with me.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you just say, I know you want to

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<v Speaker 6>get the other calls, and I'd like to. I'd love

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<v Speaker 6>to give my number to your producer talk to you

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<v Speaker 6>about trucking sometime I'll just say this, I'll just on

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<v Speaker 6>part with this and thank you both so much. It's

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<v Speaker 6>the idea that you cannot have effective criminal justice without

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<v Speaker 6>capital punishment. It's just it's absurd.

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<v Speaker 2>You're setting up a straw man with that argument. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying you can have effective criminal justice. However, I never

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<v Speaker 2>want to take off the table. I never want to

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<v Speaker 2>take off the table that a society can use that

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<v Speaker 2>to punish someone whose actions are so clearly clear without

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<v Speaker 2>a centail of doubt. We're not talking about reasonable doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>without a sintilla of doubt. There's no question that this

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<v Speaker 2>guy did this. Okay, he had a trial, and the

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances are just so aggravating. I mean, if if someone

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<v Speaker 2>goes into a skull and murders ten or twelve or

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<v Speaker 2>twenty children and they survived, like the guy down in Newtown,

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<v Speaker 2>you could argue to me that he's insane, and I

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<v Speaker 2>might agree with you on the insanity argument and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not going to be convicted because he's insane. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't understand what he was doing right from wrong. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you conclude that he knew what he was doing

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<v Speaker 2>was right from wrong. He's going to take twenty kids

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<v Speaker 2>in five teachers' lives. That would be.

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<v Speaker 6>Another champ Capital punishment gets serenayas the Supermax and Flawrence Colorado.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a that's a life there, that's a worst punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you I've never been in the super

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<v Speaker 2>Max in Colorado. What I do know is that they

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<v Speaker 2>get fed every day, they get to put their head

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<v Speaker 2>on a pillow at night, they get to have visitors,

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<v Speaker 2>they get to correspond with people. I believe that they

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<v Speaker 2>also had television access to television. They don't live a

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<v Speaker 2>life that I want to live, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a life that's a little bit better than

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<v Speaker 2>what that what I would do. Paul, we've gone on

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<v Speaker 2>really long. I loved your call. Leave your number with

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<v Speaker 2>Rob and Rob will give you my number. You can

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<v Speaker 2>call me directly at WBZ and we'll have a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>off air about that other topic.

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<v Speaker 6>Fair enough, wonderful, Thanks, Okay, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, Harvey. We will continue. You've got a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>calls here. Stay with us. We're keeping an eye for

553
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<v Speaker 2>everyone needs to understand this on what's going on in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will bring you in its entirety. Uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>the acceptance speech tonight of device President Vice President Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>We do not win, and we do not know when

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<v Speaker 2>it will stop. But will you will hear it in

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<v Speaker 2>its entirety, and it finishes before midnight and we have time,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be able to get your reaction to the

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<v Speaker 2>speech as well. But we got to take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we'll continue with my friend Harvey Silverglade. More calls.

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<v Speaker 2>You could see at this point Harvey is carrying the day,

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<v Speaker 2>as I suspect that he would in our conversation. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no one who's better than my friend Harvey Silverglade. I

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<v Speaker 2>always hesitate to disagree with him on anything, but I

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<v Speaker 2>feel passionately about this. Back on Nightside right after this

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<v Speaker 2>in Harvey, by the way, I did get your email

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<v Speaker 2>today regarding that author and I do want to have

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<v Speaker 2>that author on. We can talk about that perhaps privately tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I should have mentioned that earlier. We'll be right

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the calls. Let me go to Sam in Bedford. Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>you were next on Nightside with Harvey Silverglake.

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<v Speaker 8>You're right ahead, Sam, Yeah, thanks thanks for taking the call.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan.

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<v Speaker 8>So so the amount of pain, misery and the financial

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<v Speaker 8>cost you know, with this heeneous crime has been commented.

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<v Speaker 8>I see no reason why you know, kind of human

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<v Speaker 8>beings disguised, I mean there was disguised as a human beings, right.

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<v Speaker 8>They should not be fed to fed to sharks?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 8>Why why why continue? Why why allow them to live?

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<v Speaker 8>Because they are not part of the civil society. They

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<v Speaker 8>didn't have any any any concerns for all those people, right,

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<v Speaker 8>so why should they be treated with such a with

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<v Speaker 8>such a passion.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well, haeld Harvey can speak for himself. Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, and Harvey, we've got a couple of a

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<v Speaker 2>minute and a half left here. Let me turn Sam

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<v Speaker 2>over to you because he's on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>the issue than you are. Go ahead, Harvey.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>My argument again, and I hate to sound repetitive, is

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<v Speaker 3>you have to make problem that's important that no sensient

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<v Speaker 3>human being would have a doubt about built in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is stemid and there's in ever is over

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<v Speaker 3>the course of time. Time is a long time that

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<v Speaker 3>there would be an innocent person executed and I would

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<v Speaker 3>rather have any number of guilty people alive in a

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<v Speaker 3>horrible supermatch prison than one innocent person executed. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the stomach argument, Sam.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, but then if you if you take the extremee step,

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<v Speaker 8>then people continue to do this, these these enious crimes,

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<v Speaker 8>and then know then they can they can live, They

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<v Speaker 8>can live comfortably for twelve fifteen years because they can

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<v Speaker 8>exploit the systems. So so good things are for you know,

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<v Speaker 8>people who made error in judgment because they made.

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<v Speaker 2>A bad call.

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<v Speaker 8>But this guy didn't made a back on. He intentionally knew.

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<v Speaker 8>And the amount of amount of pain, misery and the

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<v Speaker 8>cost to the to the to the country is done.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't think he needs to see the light of

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<v Speaker 8>the day. Just feel into the shocks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, okay, the shocks. Sam, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>for calling Harvey.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to hold comment. When you're talking about a

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<v Speaker 3>supermax prison. The description of live comfortably simply doesn't resonate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I want to do when I come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to hold you through the ten Okay, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been to super max. I do not know, uh

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<v Speaker 2>the specific circumstances. I'd love for you to sketch out

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<v Speaker 2>for us what it's like for the people who are there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's the worst of the worst, but I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to just get some information from you on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I hold you through the ten yep? Okay, Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for the call. All right, have a great

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<v Speaker 2>night to Bob and Mark. You guys, stay there. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to you. I don't think we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hear from the Vice President for at least a half

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<v Speaker 2>an hour, maybe longer. So I want Bob and Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Rules WBZ in Boston, w XKSFM HD two Bedford, and Iheartradiot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is WBZ, Boston's news radio, redefining local news.

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<v Speaker 9>Good Evening, I'm Dan Watkins. Here's what's happening. After three

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<v Speaker 9>consecutive nights of speeches, spectacle and celebrity. Democrats in Chicago

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<v Speaker 9>are ready to hear from the person around which all

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<v Speaker 9>of it swirls. Tonight, Vice President Kamala Harris will formally

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<v Speaker 9>accept the Democratic nomination for president. CBS's Uija Jang is

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<v Speaker 9>at the convention and tells us what she's expected to

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<v Speaker 9>talk about in her speech.

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<v Speaker 10>He wants to focus on sharing her personal story, talking

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<v Speaker 10>about coming from a middle class family, being raised by

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<v Speaker 10>working mother working at McDonald's. These are a lot of

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<v Speaker 10>the themes that we've already heard, but we expect that

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<v Speaker 10>she will build on it even more.

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<v Speaker 9>Vice President Harris will be the first woman of color

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<v Speaker 9>to lead a major political party's ticket. Meanwhile, former President

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<v Speaker 9>Trump spent the day at the southern border in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 9>While there, he said, if he's elected again, he'll finish

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<v Speaker 9>building the wall.

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<v Speaker 5>I was never in love with an architecturally until I

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<v Speaker 5>saw the fact that nobody could climb over it without it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a big difference, is that right? Which is It's

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<v Speaker 5>a huge difference, big, big difftinance. So the anti time

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<v Speaker 5>panel at the top was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 9>The former president will be in Arizona again on Friday.

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<v Speaker 9>A Peaboty mom is getting the attention of Noah Kahn

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<v Speaker 9>after a night she'll never forget. Wbz's Brooke McCarthy with

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<v Speaker 9>the story.

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<v Speaker 11>Noah Cohn playing to pack crowds at Fenway Park last month,

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<v Speaker 11>and in the crowd dancing and singing all night long

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<v Speaker 11>was Chloe Stanko. She was nine months pregnant at the time,

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<v Speaker 11>but didn't let some back paine stop her. Turns out

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<v Speaker 11>that back pain was actually the start of labor, and

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<v Speaker 11>the next day Baby Noah was born.

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<v Speaker 7>I know, I keep wondering.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, if I didn't go to the concert, I

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<v Speaker 6>am wondering, like when I would have actually had the baby.

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<v Speaker 11>Chloe and her husband always loved the name Noah, and

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<v Speaker 11>with Noah Cohn's concert sending her into labor, it was

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<v Speaker 11>the perfect fit. She recently posted a TikTok about the

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<v Speaker 11>whole experience.