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<v Speaker 1>Ah, I'm saying what you're seeing from fort Or, Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>and I play at Merivsta Country Club. This is golf smarter,

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<v Speaker 1>golf smarter. Remember one thousand and thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'd read Golf in the Kingdom, I'd read

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<v Speaker 2>Bagger Vance, I'd read Son Golf, and I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of two minds. You know, half of me is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. I totally get this golf, meaning of life, Buddhism,

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<v Speaker 2>quantum physics deal. And the other half of me was like,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, you know, this is Pat Summerle and Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas and plaid pants. There's not something like this is

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<v Speaker 2>a big excuse for guys to say, like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a spiritual experience. I'm going to go play aging holes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started taking these lessons. I thought I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to test this. So what I did really was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>half the book is pretty much me taking non traditional lessons,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other half is me playing golf with various

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<v Speaker 2>kind of spiritually inclined golfers or golfers who are spiritual people.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take an opportunity to know Josh Karp even more

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<v Speaker 1>before I hand over the microphone to him.

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<v Speaker 2>This is golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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<v Speaker 2>great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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<v Speaker 2>raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the golf that you know what. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>home to Golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, thank you for having me Fred home. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay. I'm moving into your house. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. That you are, you are definitely in

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<v Speaker 1>the shack, in the county shack.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just want to thank listeners who've been writing

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<v Speaker 1>in saying thank you and goodbye, and you know things,

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<v Speaker 1>like one person said, probably could count on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>a number of podcasters are still around from two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five, right, Probably true. You know, some people have

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<v Speaker 1>said I was a pioneer in golf podcasting. It's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that. I don't I don't mind that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then this email I got from George this morning, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>sad to learn that Fred is moving on. Although I

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<v Speaker 1>do highly recommend retirement, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh so much so after this Uh, And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I've listened to every Golf Smarter podcast episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not so sure. George, but that would be amazing

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<v Speaker 1>and can confidently say this is what I loved that

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<v Speaker 1>Nearly everything I've learned that is worth learning I heard

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<v Speaker 1>on your podcast. So it's on your shoulders, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's a bird. That's a lot, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of golf knowledge. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely gets in your thought process about what do

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<v Speaker 1>they want to hear? What are they It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ya, No, this was all about me, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. It's like, how do I become a better golfer? Literally?

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<v Speaker 1>This is what how do I get better at golf

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<v Speaker 1>without having to take golf lessons?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>It was the whole goal.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is something I think we all can relate to

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<v Speaker 2>whether we're hosting a golf podcast or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right exactly, And let's say that we had we

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<v Speaker 1>had teased the fact that Jim Waldron was going to

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<v Speaker 1>join us for today's conversation, right, But Jim just had

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<v Speaker 1>hip replacement surgery and his recovery is not going as

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<v Speaker 1>he expected. He was patching a lot more and so

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have to delay that. But since I

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<v Speaker 1>stopped doing interviews back in December, I've been taking lessons

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<v Speaker 1>from Jim, and once a month we get together. I

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<v Speaker 1>send him videos of my swing from two views and

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<v Speaker 1>then he rips me to shreds on him and tells

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<v Speaker 1>me everything I'm doing wrong. And so what we were

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to do is have my next lesson as this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast episode. But when Jim is ready, I'll come back.

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<v Speaker 1>We can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That I would love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Be fun because Jim was also featured in your book

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<v Speaker 1>Right Straight down the Middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, he was one of my absolute and he needs.

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<v Speaker 1>To read this book actually to get to know Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. That No, that was that was That was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. That was a really fun experience, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just I like the people I met were so great,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jim was one of my absolute favorites just his

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<v Speaker 2>both his personality and his kind of story of how

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<v Speaker 2>he became when he became yeah right, yeah, from the

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<v Speaker 2>from the North side of Chicago too, so he uh

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<v Speaker 2>perfect for both of us. I believe he caddied at

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<v Speaker 2>the country club my grandparents belonged to. I remember we

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<v Speaker 2>shared some stories which which which weirdly enough, it's funny,

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<v Speaker 2>my my. It's this kind of place on the north

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<v Speaker 2>side of the city, and there were always like odd

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities would show up, some guy and Martin and Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>used to play there whenever they were in town. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember seeing Dean Martin on Bengo night at

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<v Speaker 2>my grandmother's country club. So anyway, but so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if Jim bet Dean Martin on the course, but

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<v Speaker 2>Jim worked there, and Jim is the best.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got stories. Yeah, he's got years and years of stories.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we will get back with Jim when he's

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<v Speaker 1>ready to do that again, and I'd be happy to

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<v Speaker 2>And as with you, we will do that for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll tell you taking lessons with Jim has really

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<v Speaker 1>been radical shift for me. I was my index was

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<v Speaker 1>now this morning I had noticed that I'm thirteen. So

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<v Speaker 1>clearly I'm making changes and looking forward to turning those around,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with my goal of trying to shoot my age

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<v Speaker 1>before I turned seventy six. Right, so you know what

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<v Speaker 1>will happen, We're not sure, but again thanks to the

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<v Speaker 1>ambassadors and the listeners who email me and text me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just been an amazing thing to build this community

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<v Speaker 1>and grow it and now to be able to hand

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<v Speaker 1>it over to you. They're wonderful people, and that I

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<v Speaker 1>may take you seriously whether we do or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that'll be a first for somebody to take me seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been right, and you had you had a

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<v Speaker 1>really nice Facebook post talking about the transition, and and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of your people have said great things to

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<v Speaker 1>you and wishing you the best of luck, as we

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<v Speaker 1>all do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that was you know that, it was really

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<v Speaker 2>I was excited to announce it and and I got,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a really nice response, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some people, some of my friends, just you know, golf

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<v Speaker 2>people who I've connected with over the years, were nice

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<v Speaker 2>enough to kind of spread the word. And uh, you know, hopefully,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hopefully we'll you know, they'll they'll they'll bring

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<v Speaker 2>in some some other people to listen, and we'll just

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<v Speaker 2>keep going. I'm looking forward to talking to this great

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<v Speaker 2>audience you built.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we get the book in their hands?

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<v Speaker 2>I am more than willing to uh give out some

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<v Speaker 2>free copies. I mean they can find it on Amber.

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<v Speaker 2>How about I'll ten too.

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<v Speaker 1>You're up to up to you, I mean, they're in

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<v Speaker 1>your house, not mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I yes, I will. I am happy to provide

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<v Speaker 2>a ton ton copies to listeners so we can do

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<v Speaker 2>a giveaway of some kind. Yeah, so let's do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how should they reach out to you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know it? Well, right now, I'm gonna they can

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<v Speaker 2>contact me at carp j. This is terrible. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to get a new email, carp J k A r

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<v Speaker 2>p j A two three two three at mac dot

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<v Speaker 2>com or if you're on Facebook, you could just find

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<v Speaker 2>me at Josh KRP on Facebook or on Twitter, and

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<v Speaker 2>and I will the first ten people I will send

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<v Speaker 2>a free cop free autograph copy of the book too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. Mine's autographed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that that's n if you could read the autograph

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<v Speaker 2>that My autograph itself is not too impressive, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>why you type it's right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine writing a book by hand?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, I've i've.

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<v Speaker 1>With or writing it on a Did you write it

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<v Speaker 1>on typewriter? NW?

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<v Speaker 2>You hadss No? No, I mean no, no, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote it on a laptop. I mean but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>existence of laptop, because I have written chapters long hand

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in airport uh, you know, airport's waiting for flights

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that, and then I have to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what I actually wrote when I look at my handwriting,

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<v Speaker 2>so right right, and anyone who gets a free book

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<v Speaker 2>will will see that when they see my signature.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me what you have lined up now. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you had been preparing to do a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>right before we started this transition. You were going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it on your own and start from scratch. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's get everybody involved already. Uh, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the people you're you're already recorded and you

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<v Speaker 1>have lined up, and what you talk about with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, you know, my first guest is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be Christo Garcia, who runs Classic Swing Golf School

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. Yeah, and Christo's amazing and he's got,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just a great story and a great approach

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<v Speaker 2>to golf. I but you know, I really tried, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the guests I've recorded so far, most of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to be adding a bunch of other people.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, are a lot of instructors talking about

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<v Speaker 2>and how to get better. So I have I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to Mike Malaska, who's terrific who talks. We had a

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<v Speaker 2>great conversation really about you know, and not to get

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<v Speaker 2>to Jack Nicholas about the hands and how the hands

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<v Speaker 2>and he really gives just this perfect description via Nicholas

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to hear you because I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get him on multiple times and never was able to.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm so excited that you're getting him on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, And my Mike is great. I've got uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Manty shine Bloom, who who was the world long driving

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<v Speaker 2>Manti you know, And what I love about these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>of the journey to how they you know, got where

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<v Speaker 2>they got. And Monty his dad was Richie shine Bloom,

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<v Speaker 2>who played for in the nineteen seventy two All Star

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<v Speaker 2>And and he and Monty was a very good high

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<v Speaker 2>school baseball player who blew out his elbow, took up golf,

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<v Speaker 2>But then he and he won this long drive champion

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<v Speaker 2>he played in college, and then his swing, his game

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<v Speaker 2>actually really surprised at the number of high level instructors

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<v Speaker 1>I've known Jacob for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Jacob's he when.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacobs, He's great, He's amazing and and you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>US Senior Open. He uh, I think, And I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>he hit a five hundred and seventy two year drive

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<v Speaker 2>And I really had to let go. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>day and it worked a little bit on this indoor

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<v Speaker 2>you know, regular drive, and hit one ball driving like

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob has taught me. And I was hitting the ball

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<v Speaker 2>and it is not and this is no, not Jacob's fault,

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<v Speaker 2>this is mine. It is not stayed. But I hit

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<v Speaker 2>I think on the first hole, I think I hit

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<v Speaker 2>a two hundred and eighty five year drive directly down

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<v Speaker 2>the middle, you know, and I hit about two forty

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<v Speaker 1>Which I was laced to two ten. Ye, everyone thinks

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, let me let me tell you something. My

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<v Speaker 2>the planet. So I've tried at least as much as like,

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<v Speaker 2>honest golfer because I'm probably I probably lie about all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of crap, but I will or you know, conflate things.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever, and anyway I I do. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>can and now I can hit the ball, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>longer than I did before. I can hit the mob

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<v Speaker 2>about two sixty. You know, not every time, but when

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<v Speaker 2>I worked with Jacob, I mean I was hitting the

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<v Speaker 2>ball two eighty and I was hitting it. The ball

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<v Speaker 2>flew in a totally different way. I was like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the straightest I have ever hit drives in my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So and plus Jacob is amazing. You know A side note,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was with Jacob, who is I think just

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<v Speaker 2>he's fifty, he's fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would have said he's mid thirties at best.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and talk about a physical specimen. We were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that Brian Johnson, the redheaded guy who did the

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix special. He's the one who's trying to live forever.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the billionaire who's siphoning his son's blood and he's

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<v Speaker 2>taking all these supplements and he has an app that's

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<v Speaker 2>you stand up from sitting down without using your hands?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, and so he was telling me about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, can you do that? And we're on

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<v Speaker 2>the street in Detroit, and Jacob says sure, and he

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<v Speaker 2>sits down without using his hands, like totally normal, just

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<v Speaker 2>like loop down, and then stays there for ten seconds

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<v Speaker 2>and stands right up without using his hands. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, I'm not living forever, but that dude, No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>off the ground friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, sit down on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>On the ground like cross like in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Squat or oh in a c who okay, never mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just like got up from my chair

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, yeah, no, no, I thought, I.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get up from my chair with no hands.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seventy no, I'm at fifty nine. I will tell

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<v Speaker 1>To be okay. I'm gonna get on the floor. Hang

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<v Speaker 1>on a seconds, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>See if you can do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm going to get a cross leg on the

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, I still see at the top of your head. Friend, Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>can you I can't get up if I was okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So I well, I wrapped my I didn't go straight

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm working so hard at my core these days

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<v Speaker 1>and working so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jacob, Jacob is great. So I've got an episode

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<v Speaker 2>with Jacob, you know. And then just a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of really great people. I talked to Jane Blaylock, who

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<v Speaker 2>played on the LPGA tour good and she was great

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<v Speaker 2>from the boys. I've got a couple of biomechanics experts.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that on the Scientists.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've had them, Rob Neil or

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's great, He's terrific. And then like Bradley Hughes,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Forte and Sean Clement. I talked to all those

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<v Speaker 2>guys and it's just a really great group. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you know different people, you know, just a whole really

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<v Speaker 2>and then just you know, some kind of golf personality

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<v Speaker 2>type people. I talked to Peter Kessler, Wow, yeah about

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<v Speaker 2>his friend his relationship with with Seve Palmer and Steed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>And he told me a great story about Sevie coming

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<v Speaker 2>sixty degree irons because he said nobody should ever he's

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<v Speaker 2>a sixty degree iron and uh, yeah, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's it's really love this. Yeah, it's been so

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<v Speaker 2>much fun. And you know, it's been I've learned a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, about the swing, and they've and plus I

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<v Speaker 2>just they're great people and they're everybody has a really fun,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, compelling story. And that's what I love is

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<v Speaker 2>I just I like the people in golf and I

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<v Speaker 1>To well they know how they don't. You really don't

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<v Speaker 1>need many referrals from me. You've got your own lists.

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<v Speaker 1>Although are there people that have been on our on

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<v Speaker 1>before they other than what you've mentioned that you'd like

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I think, I think, I yeah, we will.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I'm going to take a look at the list

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<v Speaker 2>and see, you know who.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you've got to get doctor Bob Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that that is like right up there, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've really tried to. Yeah, I'm really interested. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I look at you know, you look at golf today

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<v Speaker 2>and you look at you know, Rory and bryceon and

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<v Speaker 2>never going to swing like those dudes. Like they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're born with the club in their hands. They are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, stretching their bodies in places my body doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>even know can be stretched, and exercise that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>strengthening muscles I don't know I have. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>that everything they're doing is just it's such a high level.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I really love you know, talking and

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<v Speaker 2>learning about you know, the swings of guys like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just crushing the ball, you know, three you know,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred off the tee and then hitting a wedgend. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a lot of really you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>and there are people like theirs. I talked to Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Bertrand who who runs basically a Hogan school teaching people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love that they've dedicated their lives to one

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<v Speaker 2>school of thought, you know, and that's always really interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to learn from, you know, and why they pursued that.

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<v Speaker 1>I got an idea here, since we didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to interview Jim Waldron together like we had hoped

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<v Speaker 1>to do and still hope to do in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do this. Well, let's take a break, and when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, let's let's go back in history and

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<v Speaker 1>bring back that first interview that we did together. Strangely enough,

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<v Speaker 1>That came out on April twentieth, twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Get out of Here six.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixteen years ago. That was episode two hundred and twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is episode one thousand and thirty of fresh content,

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<v Speaker 1>So do that. Let's just replay and then next week

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<v Speaker 1>on the next episode and you will take off with

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<v Speaker 1>which christ Garcia. Yeah, Christopher's had on and he's great,

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<v Speaker 1>he's entertaining. And what I loved about Christjo Garcia, he

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<v Speaker 1>he became really good on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's the guy who did it right. I

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<v Speaker 2>he's teaching, so yeah, that'd be. Yeah. He's a great guest.

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<v Speaker 1>So so it's perfect, so perfect. So let's let everyone

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<v Speaker 1>know we'll meet you again and we'll just play what

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to bring that one back. So let me

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<v Speaker 1>just say now goodbye. I want to thank all the

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<v Speaker 1>audience over the years who've come and gone. For the

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<v Speaker 1>people who've criticized me, thank you very much. I took

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<v Speaker 1>it to heart and I listened and I paid attention,

427
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<v Speaker 1>and I tried to get better, and I'll be back occasionally.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk again. I'll give you updates on how my

429
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<v Speaker 1>game is going and what equipment I'm playing with, whatever

430
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<v Speaker 1>it is. We talk about where I travel to, and

431
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to miss this. I'm going to miss y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just am so so pleased to hand it

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<v Speaker 1>over to Josh and put it in your hands, because

434
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<v Speaker 1>it's going to get even better.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to say thank you for trusting me

436
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<v Speaker 2>with your show and your audience, and you are. I

437
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<v Speaker 2>hope you'll be back as often as you want, and

438
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<v Speaker 2>I hope you shoot under your age before you hit

439
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<v Speaker 2>seventy six, as I know you've planned so.

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<v Speaker 1>Our guest today is Josh Carp, author of a new book,

441
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<v Speaker 1>very funny book called Straight down the Middle, subtitled Shives, Irons,

442
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<v Speaker 1>Bagger Vance and How I Learned to Stop worrying and

443
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<v Speaker 1>Love my Golf swing. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, Hey, how are you.

445
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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well. Thank you so much for joining us.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thanks for having me on the show.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm excited to have you on the show because

448
00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:26.519
<v Speaker 1>a couple of reasons. But first of all, I get

449
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>your book in the mail from what is a chronicle press. Yeah,

450
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.720
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking at going, well, this looks kind of

451
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<v Speaker 1>interesting because it kind of fits into what we do.

452
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<v Speaker 1>And the next day Jamie Zimron, who's just been on

453
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<v Speaker 1>Golf Smarter and has been on multiple times before, she said,

454
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<v Speaker 1>do you know Josh Carp have you have you? Have

455
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<v Speaker 1>you read his book yet? And I'm like, wow, I

456
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<v Speaker 1>just got in the mail. Hang on his second.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Jed as if my seven year old will tell you

458
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<v Speaker 2>Jamie is my son? Say, he always goes, you have

459
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<v Speaker 2>a sunsey your golf sense, so so yeah, Jams all

460
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<v Speaker 2>of our golf sense absolutely.

461
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<v Speaker 1>And also her brother is my congressman.

462
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<v Speaker 2>So right, yeah, I know that's the issue. I learned

463
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<v Speaker 2>that when I played with her.

464
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, so tell me the premise.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Now.

466
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<v Speaker 1>The beautiful thing that you get to do that I

467
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<v Speaker 1>get to do with having the podcast is I can

468
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<v Speaker 1>talk to for as long as I want. We generally

469
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<v Speaker 1>go about thirty minutes. And I'm sure in your process

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<v Speaker 1>of promoting your book straight down the Middle, you've done

471
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of radio interviews. Chronicles very aggressive about getting

472
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<v Speaker 1>the word out on your book, as they should be

473
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<v Speaker 1>because it's very entertaining, thank you. But you know, doing

474
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<v Speaker 1>a radio interview, you may not be talking to a

475
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<v Speaker 1>golf audience, which you are here, and they'll interview you

476
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<v Speaker 1>for four or five minutes and cut it down to

477
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<v Speaker 1>a thirty second cut.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, you know it's been I've been on all

479
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>kinds of different shows, you know, some golf shows, some sports,

480
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<v Speaker 2>some NPR, and strangely enough, since the book kind of

481
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.039
<v Speaker 2>touches on Buddhism and things like that, I've been booked

482
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 2>on a lot of self help shows and just the

483
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.160
<v Speaker 2>oh to tell me about it, Like you think you're laughing,

484
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 2>you should hear how much my wife is laughing. And

485
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.759
<v Speaker 2>I got booked on a show, and you know, you

486
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 2>get a notice from your publiciste and it says, okay,

487
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:15.279
<v Speaker 2>you know you're gonna be on this show for you

488
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<v Speaker 2>know whatever, here's where it runs and all that. So anyway,

489
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.079
<v Speaker 2>I get booked on this show and we start, the

490
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>guy calls me up and he goes live and he

491
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<v Speaker 2>goes for the next hour, our life strategist, our guest

492
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 2>life strategist is going to be Josh Carp And I

493
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:35.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, these poor people. I was like, guest

494
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<v Speaker 2>life strategist, I probably screwed up you know, half the

495
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.599
<v Speaker 2>people in Shreveport, Louisiana, you know. And in the one

496
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<v Speaker 2>hour I was on, so it's yeah, and then.

497
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<v Speaker 1>Pulled with this guy. Yeah yeah, and you talk about

498
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:50.079
<v Speaker 1>golf and he was talking about life strategy.

499
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Well we we we worked golf into life strategy.

500
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:57.359
<v Speaker 1>It's that's good to do on show.

501
00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was real. I mean it was hilarious.

502
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.839
<v Speaker 2>It was just like, oh my goodness, guest life strategists,

503
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.160
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be trouble. So but it was fun.

504
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 1>So where was this guy able to I don't even

505
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>want to go there. Let's talk about your book. So

506
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.799
<v Speaker 1>what I loved about it is it felt like I

507
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>was as I'm reading this book, it feels like I'm

508
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 1>listening to a Golf Smarter podcast. I mean, what you

509
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>did is what I've been talking about and interviewing all

510
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>these different mental coaches and golf instructors with the same concept.

511
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you put it down on paper, but you

512
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<v Speaker 1>lived it. I'm just getting you know, if I get

513
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes to talk to Jamie Zimron or Jim Walden

514
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>or doctor Joe Parent. I feel like I got all

515
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.519
<v Speaker 1>this phenomenal information out of them for such a brief

516
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 1>period of time. You get to kind of live with

517
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>these people and go work with them, right, Yeah.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I mean it was you know, the kind of

519
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 2>the basic premise of the book was testing the non

520
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>traditional kind of Eastern spirituality inspired world of golf instruction,

521
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 2>and kind of the humorous premise being you know, inner

522
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Piece lowered my handicap, or Will Lwering my handicap helped

523
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:18.079
<v Speaker 2>me find interner piece and there. Yeah, no, oh god.

524
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.359
<v Speaker 1>No, I've just it's like, how did you get to

525
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>this point saying okay, I'm going to be able to

526
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 1>write a book about this? How did where did you? Well,

527
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>you're a writer, right, so you you have a publisher

528
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and you proposed this to them? Or how did this

529
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<v Speaker 1>come about?

530
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You know what happened was I had written my

531
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>first book was a biography of this guy Doug Kenny

532
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<v Speaker 2>who wrote Animal House in Caddyshack and start National Lampoon

533
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 2>and died. Yeah it was it was interesting and he

534
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.039
<v Speaker 2>died like very mysteriously right after Caddyshack came out. So

535
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I had finished that book and right around that time,

536
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I I had taken up meditation and my wife took

537
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<v Speaker 2>me to a meditation seminar on the North side of Chicago.

538
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<v Speaker 2>And I in there and I always say I was,

539
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was like everybody there was exactly who

540
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.559
<v Speaker 2>you'd expect at a meditation seminar, you know, sandal natural

541
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>fiber clothing, big long beards, whole deal. And you know,

542
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting there in like my Chicago white Sox hat,

543
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm already bad news to everybody. And we meditate

544
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you know, I was like I

545
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>gotta get out of here, you know, go out and

546
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<v Speaker 2>have dinner, go see a movie. And then we finish

547
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<v Speaker 2>up the meditation.

548
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:28.599
<v Speaker 1>With a white Sox hat. You wanted to go out

549
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and have a steak, and everyone else wanted to go

550
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>have a Tofu burger.

551
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, oh no. They put out snacks, I remember, and

552
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, yeah, it was like vegetables

553
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.640
<v Speaker 2>and vegan buns. I was like, no thanks. So we

554
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.279
<v Speaker 2>go around the room and we all have to talk

555
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 2>about what meditation has done for us. So I said, hey,

556
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, meditation is improved my golf game. And I mean,

557
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like everybody just looks at me like,

558
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<v Speaker 2>this is you know, if there's a blasphemy in Buddhism,

559
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.799
<v Speaker 2>this was it. And the guy who ran the some

560
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 2>are kind of very calmly, says he goes, Oh, the

561
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 2>sak Young is an avid golfer, and the sak Young

562
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>is this guy sack Young Rimpochet, who is the kind

563
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 2>of spiritual leader of this Buddhist organization called Shambala, which

564
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>actually doc parent has been affiliated with. And so my

565
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>first thought was, okay, this is like, you know, the Dali,

566
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Lamasine and Caddyshack. I write magazine articles for a living.

567
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'll go play golf with this guy. You know,

568
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.839
<v Speaker 2>he'll wear flowing orange robes. You know, he'll enlighten me

569
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 2>during the course of eighteen holes. This will be great.

570
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 2>So I started pursuing him, which proved ultimately impossible, but

571
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.039
<v Speaker 2>which took about two years during the course of writing

572
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the book, where I was trying to get him to

573
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 2>play golf with me. And in the meantime I started,

574
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'd read Golf in the Kingdom, I'd read

575
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Bagger Vance, I'd read so on Golf, and I was

576
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of of two minds. You know, half of me

577
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>is like, I get it. I totally get this golf,

578
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 2>meaning of life, Buddhism, quantum physics deal. And the other

579
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.240
<v Speaker 2>half of me was like, come on, you know, this

580
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>is Pat summer Ale and Jack Nicholas and plaid pants.

581
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>You know it's there. There's not some big link. This

582
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>is a big excuse for guys, you know, to say like, oh,

583
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>it's a spiritual experience. I'm going to go play aging holes.

584
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.799
<v Speaker 2>And so I, you know, it was like, okay, you

585
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:22.799
<v Speaker 2>know I started taking these lessons. I thought I'm going

586
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to test this. So what I did really was, you know,

587
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>half the book is pretty much me taking non traditional

588
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>lessons and the other half is me playing golf with

589
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 2>various kind of spiritual figures of some kind or or

590
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.200
<v Speaker 2>either spiritual spiritually inclined golfers or golfers who are you know,

591
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:45.319
<v Speaker 2>spiritual people. So and it was it was a blast.

592
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 2>But that's how it happened that I wrote a proposal

593
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>after I after I kind of took my first lesson,

594
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, wound up with Chronicle and that was it.

595
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I spent the better part of a year and a

596
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.480
<v Speaker 2>half while my wife was pregnant with our fourth child

597
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>in ten years. There's great irony in all of them

598
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 2>for her, you know, playing playing golf for a little

599
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:08.039
<v Speaker 2>bit for the timing was really good.

600
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<v Speaker 1>Four kids in ten years yeah, okay.

601
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Well I'm I'm living it now.

602
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, right, you're not into college years yet. Huh.

603
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>You better sell a lot of books, buddy.

604
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 2>That's my plan. The things you don't think about before

605
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>you have four kids. Oh my god, I got to

606
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>pay for these kids to go to school.

607
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.559
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any Do you have any daughters? No?

608
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Boys?

609
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh so you don't have to pay for weddings.

610
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.759
<v Speaker 2>No, but you also have to give up on having

611
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 2>anything nice in your house because everything just gets trash.

612
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>It's true. Yeah.

613
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I raised two boys, and there are holes in

614
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:48.079
<v Speaker 1>the wall from from the games of pickle in the hallway.

615
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, my brother in laws that there were holes

616
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.319
<v Speaker 2>from them throwing each other occasionally into the wall, you know,

617
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 2>out of out of.

618
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Throwing your kids into the wall.

619
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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, my brother in law is not not.

620
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, they have not.

621
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<v Speaker 1>Let's get back to the book. We can talk about

622
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>your experiences, but I'd really like to talk about the

623
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 1>people that you worked with that we've talked to on

624
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.079
<v Speaker 1>this show, and there is I got a list of

625
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>at least six people that we've covered on this show

626
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 1>that you've already worked with. And I think what I

627
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>want to do is start with doctor Joseph parent tell

628
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<v Speaker 1>me about I've had a chance to play golf with

629
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<v Speaker 1>him once, and I've had him on the show like

630
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 1>four times in the last four years. He's just I

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<v Speaker 1>just love his stuff. And actually the reason I started

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast he was our very first guest is because

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<v Speaker 1>the book Zen Golf, to me was really a game changer.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally it changed my game and my approach to golf.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was so great for me to get him

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, and it just meant so much to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I first of all, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I had I spent a day with him and just

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful guy and great company and you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>a for real Buddhists too. Yeah, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>really the whole deal. He's he's it. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I told him was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I had reads on golf a couple of times, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's this thing where you can where you play golf

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<v Speaker 2>with people and you can tell they're under the influence

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<v Speaker 2>of the book without even them telling you. Because several

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<v Speaker 2>times they played golf with people and they hit some

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<v Speaker 2>terrible shot and you'd hear them go under their breath. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you've read on golf, haven't you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, So yes, I went and I spent the

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<v Speaker 2>day with Doc and ken Zieger, who's uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of his right hand guy. And it was really fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we we did some meditation practice and we

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<v Speaker 2>you know, went and played played golf and just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of talked as we were playing about some of the

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<v Speaker 2>philosophy behind he's done in some Adoc's background. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing that was very, you know, really remarkable was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we talked and he was saying I was

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<v Speaker 2>asking him. I'm like, God, wasn't it intimidated intimidating to

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<v Speaker 2>work with with VJ? You know, because I mean, my god,

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<v Speaker 2>you're working with VJ? Saying no, he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I have unconditional confidence, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it's like talk about I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the anti unconditional confidence guy, you know, so but.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, just like that's where.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get I'm like, I'm shooting. I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's Michael unconditional confidence on the golf course. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it was really you know, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed his company and I learned a great

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<v Speaker 2>deal from him, and really, you know what I what

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed about him was we could have kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a serious I did not convert to Buddhism and working

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<v Speaker 2>on this book, but I learned a lot about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I learned a lot from him about Buddhism and

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<v Speaker 2>applying it to my golf game and really, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not being reactive when you do you know, when you

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<v Speaker 2>do something lousy, and that happens to me a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was. It was very very good. It was good.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'd read the book, but it really you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to see it in practice. You know, when he hit

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<v Speaker 2>a lousy shot, he was just like it was gone,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was over it and just marched on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, that is a fantastic example for

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<v Speaker 2>me to yeah, follow.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true. I mean, so good, he's living it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's walking the he's walking the talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, yeah, good good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I need to break for a little spot here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like the perfect place to break because

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<v Speaker 2>I occasionally listen to audiobooks, but yeah, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>seen people with headphones on in the driving range and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, how do you do that without being I

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<v Speaker 1>would know how they do it without getting tangled up?

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<v Speaker 1>very much for participating in our show today. But we

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<v Speaker 1>want to get back to your next person that you

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<v Speaker 1>worked with that we've had on the show, who I

727
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<v Speaker 1>think is phenomenal, Jim Waldron. I like having him on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. I think he is so right on in

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<v Speaker 1>what he talks about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he you know, really, in addition to getting to

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<v Speaker 2>work on my golf game and getting to learn all

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<v Speaker 2>about this stuff, one of the things I really I

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<v Speaker 2>met such great people. I mean you're really interesting people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, one thing, and I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>know this from your show, when you really start to

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<v Speaker 2>look at golf instruction, I mean there's you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>a method of instruction pretty much for every golfer on

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<v Speaker 2>the planet, you know, for there's so many methods out there,

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<v Speaker 2>right and that, yeah and yeah, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>different things work for different people, and so it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think one of the things I loved

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<v Speaker 2>about Jim was, you know, he had very you know, theoretically.

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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed he he is really thought through so

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<v Speaker 2>many different disciplines, you know, in a non traditional way

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<v Speaker 2>and integrated them into his instruction. And you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>just a fascinating guy, a guy who's done a lot

747
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<v Speaker 2>of different things in his life, you know, and comes

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<v Speaker 2>to this as a really good golfer too, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>which which is which is impressive. But no, we had

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<v Speaker 2>a we had a great time. We spent two days

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<v Speaker 2>together in Portland or outside of Portland and Banks, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, you know it was really you know what

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things, you know, one of the premises

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<v Speaker 2>behind you know, say bagger vance, for example, is that

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<v Speaker 2>there's this idea of having an authentic swing. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the great things about Jim was he was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not true. He's like, he's like, there is not

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<v Speaker 2>an authentic swing. And he was like, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>what other world do you hear people say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an authentic you know, inner pianist, or an authentic shortstop.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not like and and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I love that he said was he goes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, golf is the one sport. He's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've kind of been messing around at it for

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<v Speaker 2>a few years, you expect to take three lessons and

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<v Speaker 2>be scratch. And he said, and it's like being a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who messes around on the piano and takes a

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<v Speaker 2>couple lessons and expects to be know, doing concert quality recmanooff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, right, He's like, and nobody there's no other

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<v Speaker 2>discipline or endeavor in which people expect this, He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>But in golf, we all expect it. We all I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're going to be here and that we are magically,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just three tips away from being fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>So that that was really, well, that's why we keep

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<v Speaker 1>playing though, right, absolutely, I mean we all want these

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<v Speaker 1>single digit handicapped and we don't want to work at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh for sure. I mean there's no which. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great it's a great metaphor, certainly for the

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<v Speaker 2>way I live my life, you know, you know, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I could be great and not have to do much,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but uh yes, I mean you know that

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<v Speaker 2>was We had a great conversation about that, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we really did. You know. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things in his school is called balance point and and

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<v Speaker 2>he one of the things he said that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody I worked with, you could really only ultimately when

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<v Speaker 2>you go back to integrate stuff in your game, take

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<v Speaker 2>away you know one or two things, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody told me forty six things, I could go and

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<v Speaker 2>integrate all these things in my game. Right. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things he said that had not occurred to me,

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<v Speaker 2>which maybe just my stupidity, he said, he said, Ben Hogan,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for all the work he did, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hitting balls into his hands blood, He's like he worked

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<v Speaker 2>on balance all the time. And I was like, well

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<v Speaker 2>that makes a lot of sense, you know, but it

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<v Speaker 2>never occurred to me. You know, we did some some

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<v Speaker 2>some really interesting balance drills and trying to find the

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<v Speaker 2>right way for me to find physical balance, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I think it's kind of a quote

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<v Speaker 2>from Jim, but he said something like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>vast majority of you know, failure in sports performance is

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<v Speaker 2>due to to poor balance. And yeah, that had just

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<v Speaker 2>never really occurred to me. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in sports, where you're moving, your body has a way

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<v Speaker 2>of naturally balancing itself. Yeah, but it's weird when you're

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<v Speaker 2>just standing there, you don't have that movement to balance

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<v Speaker 2>you so.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and it becomes right, and it becomes really evident

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<v Speaker 1>how off balance you are when you finish your swing

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<v Speaker 1>and where you finish your swing if you fall over

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<v Speaker 1>leave you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, it's funny, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things people when I've done some interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>they say, you know, like why do you think golf,

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<v Speaker 2>Why is golf the sport that gets this you know, spirituality,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at your true self in the mirror kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, you know, I think it's because the

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<v Speaker 2>ball doesn't move, because you know, in any almost any

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<v Speaker 2>other sport, you are being reactive, and being reactive for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, you know, kind of takes you out

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking. And with golf, you got nothing to react to.

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<v Speaker 2>You just got a ball and you and the club,

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<v Speaker 2>And if the ball is going to move, it's you

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<v Speaker 2>who's got to make it move. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of it. I think, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>the ball is moving in other sports you can't think

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<v Speaker 2>so much. But with golf, you know, you're just like

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<v Speaker 2>right there and it's you and your brain and the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is pretty much your introduction is the worst club

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<v Speaker 1>in my bag is my brain? And is it Wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, I think it was. I've been quoting this

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<v Speaker 1>line and I realized, wait a minute, it came out

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<v Speaker 1>of your book. Is this the one that someone said

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<v Speaker 1>to you? Yeah, you have here. Just at the end

836
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<v Speaker 1>of your introduction, someone said to you. She looked at

837
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 1>me and with an amused expression, this is the person

838
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.159
<v Speaker 1>who doesn't play golf. You know where I'm going with this, right?

839
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely?

840
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:33.079
<v Speaker 1>Sure, go ahead, it's your line, man, go ahead.

841
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I believe the quote was as a friend of my wife's,

842
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:41.000
<v Speaker 2>who was very dubious about this entire endeavoring, we had

843
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.559
<v Speaker 2>a couple of great conversations about it, and she's that

844
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.559
<v Speaker 2>I was explaining the book to her and she goes, well,

845
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.880
<v Speaker 2>of course, people think golf is like life. You play

846
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.280
<v Speaker 2>against yourself and you can never win. And I like,

847
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 2>you really understand golf.

848
00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Like nailed it right there. You play against yourself and

849
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:01.079
<v Speaker 1>you can never win.

850
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's for she should keep doing this.

851
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's move on to jamie' zimron because we just had

852
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>her on the show again. This is a woman who

853
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.920
<v Speaker 1>you talk about coming from different disciplines. She is all

854
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:22.840
<v Speaker 1>over the map and she has brought it all together

855
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>on the golf course. And I find her absolutely fascinating.

856
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, how is your experience with her?

857
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, it was? It was, it was great. I mean,

858
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I first of all, like you know,

859
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the one you know, my my four kids, my my

860
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 2>seven year old is the one who's been most interested

861
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 2>in all this and he and the only thing he

862
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>remembers other than her being my sonse is that she

863
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 2>had me in a driving range with an aikto sword

864
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like a golf club and he just thought that was

865
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:54.960
<v Speaker 2>the coolest. But yeah, I mean, first of all, I mean,

866
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Jamie is you know, she's an LBGA pro and just

867
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:02.159
<v Speaker 2>a fantastic, you know, fantastic golfer and on top of it,

868
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 2>a great person. But she yeah, she she's integrated aketo.

869
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I believe she has a psychology degree as well, and

870
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:14.519
<v Speaker 2>really from Stanford no less exactly, And and you know,

871
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 2>it was really I mean I came to her, I

872
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:19.400
<v Speaker 2>think at the right time in the book. It was

873
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 2>about the middle of the book and I was kind

874
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 2>of starting to get the hang of this a little bit.

875
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.679
<v Speaker 2>But so what she said really resonated for me. And

876
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.519
<v Speaker 2>one of the things we talked about, which can sound

877
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:34.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, in description a little out there but makes sense,

878
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.679
<v Speaker 2>is we kind of talked about moving energy when you're playing,

879
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we we had a great long discussion

880
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>on a practice here where she said, y know, what

881
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>what what starts your swing? You know, and I gave

882
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.559
<v Speaker 2>her like forty six different answers in like ten seconds.

883
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:53.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, I was like, oh, my right hand, no,

884
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.719
<v Speaker 2>my shoulder, no, my knee, Oh wait was this? And

885
00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I couldn't even identify it. And we

886
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 2>had a long talk about you know, kind of an

887
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.039
<v Speaker 2>aiketo you know, the flow of it, you know, like

888
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.000
<v Speaker 2>the guy who created aketo, who's a guy called O Sense,

889
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.440
<v Speaker 2>was this great martial arts master who really learned how

890
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 2>to use energy. And I mean they said, you know,

891
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>he could people would attack him and he wouldn't even

892
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 2>have to touch them. He could just kind of turn

893
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.320
<v Speaker 2>their energy against them, which I'm not. I don't think

894
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get to that place in my golf game.

895
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:29.280
<v Speaker 2>But you know, we talked about where, you know, when

896
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>you're hitting somebody in aiketo, where should the energy be.

897
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's you know, you want it right in your

898
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:36.960
<v Speaker 2>fist or your hand or your foot when you're making

899
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 2>contact with the person, and that's where you want the

900
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.079
<v Speaker 2>maximum energy when you do something. I had not really

901
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:47.519
<v Speaker 2>thought of golf that way, about the energy really ultimately

902
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 2>going through you into your club. And so we talked

903
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 2>about kind of building things from the ground up for

904
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.719
<v Speaker 2>lack of a better way of putting it. And she,

905
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the things I my swing was

906
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 2>just so completely reliant on my arms, you know, and

907
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I was really swinging. I mean I was moving my

908
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 2>legs and feet, but my arms were leading everything. And

909
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 2>we spent a lot of time on the practice tea,

910
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 2>working on beginning my swing really from my feet and

911
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.639
<v Speaker 2>using my left and step to start the back swing

912
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:27.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of pushing down and in, and then my right

913
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 2>in step pushing down an end to start my downswing.

914
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 2>And once you know this and I hope this will

915
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 2>come across. Once I started doing that, and I was

916
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of able to envision my arms kind of being

917
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:42.559
<v Speaker 2>along for the ride a little bit more than being

918
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the thing that was generating my swing. That just I mean,

919
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I started hitting the ball so much better. I mean,

920
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 2>her her lessons were probably you know, among the most

921
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 2>impactful in the book and really changed the way I

922
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.719
<v Speaker 2>thought about how I swing a club and made me

923
00:49:57.880 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 2>enjoy swinging a club.

924
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, which.

925
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Is also you know, one of the things I learned,

926
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 2>and people are was like, what do you take away

927
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 2>from this? You know, And the one thing I learned was,

928
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:13.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, you should really learn to enjoy swinging, because that,

929
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, make make your swing something you enjoy, because

930
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I think so many of us are swing as a

931
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 2>source of frustration, and we see it only as a

932
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 2>vehicle to get the ball from here to there. And

933
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.679
<v Speaker 2>I think if you like, really learn to enjoy swinging

934
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 2>a club, you know, it's it's like running, and if

935
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:34.960
<v Speaker 2>you're just running the lose weight, it's a lot different

936
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>than if you're running because you really like running.

937
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's an excellent point. That really is fabulous. Oh yeah,

938
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 1>I wish I came up with it right exactly. You're

939
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>you're just the messenger, right, absolutely. All right, So other

940
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>names on here, and I'm going to skim through because

941
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 1>I want to get to one specifically, since we're running

942
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.800
<v Speaker 1>out of time. People that have been on this show,

943
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I swear we approached. I hope that we get to

944
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:00.599
<v Speaker 1>play golf together someday.

945
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I would love that anytime.

946
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you let's see you work with Catherine Roberts.

947
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 2>No, I did not work with Catherine.

948
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh but she's on your she's on your website.

949
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I put her on my website as somebody

950
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.639
<v Speaker 2>who you know who has a does something linked to this,

951
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:19.840
<v Speaker 2>And she and I, okay, we emailed a bunch of times,

952
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and I was actually going to go to one of

953
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.000
<v Speaker 2>her seminars and I can't remember. I think a couple

954
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>of my like two of my kids got sick and

955
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:26.920
<v Speaker 2>not gonna happen.

956
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.440
<v Speaker 1>We never Well, if you ever get a chance, she's wonderful.

957
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

958
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.320
<v Speaker 1>She was interviewed her a bunch of times and spent

959
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>some time with her as well. Now Steve Cohen over

960
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:39.199
<v Speaker 1>the Shivas Iron Society, and then Michael Murphy. Did you

961
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>get to work with him?

962
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't, I mean, yeah, no, he doesn't.

963
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.239
<v Speaker 1>He was he Yeah, I mean we've had him on

964
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 1>the show a couple of times. He's a wonderful guy.

965
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know, when I was working on the proposal,

966
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.360
<v Speaker 2>he and I had a brief phone conversation and he

967
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 2>and he was great, you know, and really kind are you?

968
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Are you a devote to you of the book? You know,

969
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.719
<v Speaker 1>I love You've read it and you know that it

970
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Speaker 1>once and you're moved on.

971
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 2>No, you know, I've read it a couple of times.

972
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 2>One of the one of the reasons I've read it

973
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times is because, you know, like a

974
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of great books, it takes a while to totally understand.

975
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I really totally understand. I did

976
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:17.639
<v Speaker 2>not get it right.

977
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Good, thank you.

978
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I just like it takes a little bit of work,

979
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's one of the appeals of it

980
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 2>is you know, you gotta It's not like you just

981
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.119
<v Speaker 2>read it and you're like, okay, boom boom boom. There's

982
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 2>an easy answer it it's it's a lot of stuff

983
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of you know, you got to think.

984
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.880
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I liked the book a great deal.

985
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, have you ever read the.

986
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Match that I buy? Mark Frost, Yeah, I've not read it.

987
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I've I've read read it, read it. Oh my god.

988
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 1>He was on the show. He talked about it. Besides

989
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:56.280
<v Speaker 1>having a beautiful speaking voice, what a phenomenal story. One

990
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of the better books I've ever read in my life,

991
00:52:58.039 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 1>right next to Years of course.

992
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>But oh thank you.

993
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, of course, all right, I want to ask you

994
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.280
<v Speaker 1>about one one of one of the people we've had

995
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.000
<v Speaker 1>on the show a couple of times, and I get

996
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.320
<v Speaker 1>more reaction to this guy than anybody else, Fred Shoemaker.

997
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and no, I didn't work with Fredd either, Oh

998
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:14.280
<v Speaker 2>but he was.

999
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 1>He had another persons on your website.

1000
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:18.159
<v Speaker 2>No, I'll tell you something. I'll tell you that I

1001
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.400
<v Speaker 2>know because I wanted to kind of give people links

1002
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:21.800
<v Speaker 2>to places that are spiritual.

1003
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, got you.

1004
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what I will say of both Fred and

1005
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and Stephen Pressfield as well, who wrote Bagger Vance. Both

1006
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 2>of them I asked I wanted to work with Fred,

1007
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 2>and Fred gave me one of the most gentlemanly, polite,

1008
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, turndowns you could possibly give. I mean, he

1009
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.440
<v Speaker 2>was such a nice guy and and really, you know,

1010
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:46.960
<v Speaker 2>it was very kind to me and just said, you know, like, hey,

1011
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 2>you can come take my thing anytime. But I really,

1012
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, I write golf books, and you know, and

1013
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and and you know, I don't want you necessarily writing

1014
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:56.079
<v Speaker 2>about what I do. And I was like, yeah, that's

1015
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:58.239
<v Speaker 2>that was totally fine. But I mean, just a total

1016
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.119
<v Speaker 2>gentleman and a super nice guy. And the same thing

1017
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.639
<v Speaker 2>with Steve Pressfield, who very graciously wrote a blurb for

1018
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.199
<v Speaker 2>my book, and I asked him to play golf with me,

1019
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and he thought about it and then he said, you know,

1020
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:14.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to even though I've written this book,

1021
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to put myself out there as somebody

1022
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.559
<v Speaker 2>who is speaking authoritatively on spirituality. And I was like,

1023
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, that makes a lot of sense. And both

1024
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:27.360
<v Speaker 2>guys just total gentlemen and really nice nice guys.

1025
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, yeah, well very yeah for a tchoemaker, one

1026
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:36.639
<v Speaker 1>of the nicest and hard to drink, hard to track down,

1027
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:41.320
<v Speaker 1>but I loved. I loved having him on the show. Josh,

1028
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.519
<v Speaker 1>I need to know what was your handicap before you

1029
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:44.480
<v Speaker 1>started writing the book?

1030
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:46.280
<v Speaker 2>It was an eighteen?

1031
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.519
<v Speaker 1>What was your handicap when now.

1032
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I got down to an eleven last summer kind of

1033
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>after I finished the summer, after I finished the book,

1034
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I was playing more like a twelve or thirteen. But

1035
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:03.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, like every for you know, I've rationalized that

1036
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm an eleven permanently, you know, since it's my best handicap.

1037
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 2>It's my handicap forever. And my excuse is last summer

1038
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I only played like about six times because things were

1039
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.559
<v Speaker 2>too busy. But when I'm playing a lot, I think,

1040
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:17.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm an eleven, and I got down to

1041
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:20.199
<v Speaker 2>an eleven very consistently for a while.

1042
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so then all of a sudden, now the whole

1043
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 1>thing is valid, No, absolutely, you know, And these people

1044
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>did help, and these this thought process has helped.

1045
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh oh, it's helped, you know. In mass I mean,

1046
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:38.159
<v Speaker 2>first of all, my swing is such a so much

1047
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.320
<v Speaker 2>better of a swing than it used to be. Okay,

1048
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<v Speaker 2>and I'm a mental game wise, I'm so much better.

1049
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<v Speaker 2>The funny thing, I have a friend I write for

1050
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Golf Tips magazine and a friend of mine who's my

1051
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 2>editor there. But halfway through the book, he was like,

1052
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:54.360
<v Speaker 2>let me get this straight. He goes, You're going to

1053
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.800
<v Speaker 2>see people for one or two days and then you're

1054
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 2>moving on to another person. He's like, anybody will tell

1055
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.360
<v Speaker 2>you that is absolutely the stupidest way to possibly improve

1056
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.480
<v Speaker 2>your golf game. He's like, he's like, everybody will tell

1057
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.639
<v Speaker 2>you find a person and stick with them. And you

1058
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 2>know what was really interesting is they helped me in

1059
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 2>ways that no other, you know, instruction I've ever had

1060
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 2>has ever helped me. So yeah, it improved my game immensely.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what has happened to me in the

1062
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 1>process of doing this show that I think that my

1063
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.119
<v Speaker 1>metal game has gotten so much better and there's been

1064
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 1>elements in my swing that have been improved that I

1065
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 1>started the show. I was around in eighteen nineteen and

1066
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<v Speaker 1>now I'm well, I've gotten down to an eleven. I'm

1067
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:36.079
<v Speaker 1>up to a thirteen now, But yeah.

1068
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<v Speaker 2>But you're really at eleven.

1069
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<v Speaker 1>No, I still think of myself as a fifteen.

1070
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so you're more honest. I'm like, like, I've been eleven,

1071
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I have been.

1072
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<v Speaker 1>And I when I was there, I didn't believe it.

1073
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<v Speaker 1>That's part of the problem. When I was down to

1074
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<v Speaker 1>an eleven, I'm like, how's that? I know, come on,

1075
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 1>so I couldn't I couldn't maintain it because I didn't

1076
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<v Speaker 1>believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's I don't know if you've had the experience

1078
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<v Speaker 2>if you talked to guys where some guys were sinking digits,

1079
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<v Speaker 2>and they'd say, what a burden it is, because when

1080
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 2>you get there, you're spending your whole life trying to

1081
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.000
<v Speaker 2>maintain it, you know, and you're always kind of teetering

1082
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:08.360
<v Speaker 2>on the edge. And I'm like, I'd like to have

1083
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.239
<v Speaker 2>that burden. That would be that would be great for me.

1084
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:12.639
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed one guy who said, have you ever noticed

1085
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 1>the correlation between how many days a month somebody works

1086
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and their handicap? So a guy who's like a guy

1087
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.880
<v Speaker 1>who's a nine probably works about nine days a month. Right, Actually,

1088
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<v Speaker 1>that's a really good point.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what was that that there's that there's that joke

1090
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<v Speaker 2>about Yeah, you it's either your lawyer or your doctor.

1091
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 2>They said, you know, the better a golfer they are,

1092
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the more you should be worried about the quality of

1093
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 2>service you're receiving. So yeah, but I I will happily

1094
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I would happily be you know, a five

1095
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.840
<v Speaker 2>and let people wonder wonder about my capacity as a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, again, the book is called Straight down the

1097
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<v Speaker 1>Middle SHIVI us Irons Bagger Vance and how I learned

1098
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:56.480
<v Speaker 1>to stop worrying and love my golf swing. There you go,

1099
00:57:56.599 --> 00:58:00.039
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's Immron right there, right. Yeah, absolutely, it's great and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really a fun book to read. It's very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I love your voice in this and I would definitely

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<v Speaker 1>tell people to go on It's available on Amazon, I'm sure,

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00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and so that means it will be in our golfer

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<v Speaker 1>Smart at golfsmarter dot com. Unfortunately it's not on audible yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but hopefully someday it will be. Yeah, exactly, So, Josh Carb,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for joining us on the Golf Smart

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and best of luck with the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you for having me on the show.