Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 3: What's up? Everybody? Welcome back to another Sunday trialogus. I
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Speaker 3: doing the trialogues, I think this is more of a tetralogue.
Speaker 3: You can call it a quadrilog, but I like tetralogue better.
Speaker 3: Who's got stuff to bring Ethan? Did you have something?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I had a couple of ideas. Oh please recard it.
Speaker 1: No, I just want to say one thing, So to
Speaker 1: stop these issues, I'm going to move into the desk
Speaker 1: and connect by cable so it solves the problem. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to be off for two minutes or something
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, I'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I was thinking of is the overall
Speaker 2: atmosphere that is similar to nineteen eighty four, but more
Speaker 2: technological effectively and less severe. But one of the elements
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty four is the memory hole right where
Speaker 2: actually Winston Smith the main character. His whole job among
Speaker 2: many of his co workers is to rewrite and delete information.
Speaker 2: And I think often that doesn't happen overtly that we
Speaker 2: see right pertaining to any number of conspiratorial subjects or
Speaker 2: controversial circumstances. We don't see it overtly eliminated, but it
Speaker 2: definitely is less arranged by a conversation and more by
Speaker 2: algorithm of course, right with the social media companies kind
Speaker 2: of control over information distribution, or rather what becomes important,
Speaker 2: what goes viral. And another thing I know that everyone
Speaker 2: has noticed before. I've heard other people talking about it.
Speaker 2: But I wonder maybe we could come up with a
Speaker 2: phrase for this circumstance. But they'll be like this whole
Speaker 2: uh you know, controversial uh subject. When you look into stargate,
Speaker 2: it's this whole uh intelligence operation, you know, and then
Speaker 2: also now it's a renamed project with AI, so when
Speaker 2: you look into it, you get what is the topical
Speaker 2: new subject or several different movie titles will be something
Speaker 2: that's like a hut thing that people like, you know,
Speaker 2: you get get a shadow band for talking about, or
Speaker 2: like it's it's this, it's got a good term.
Speaker 3: I've got a good term. So instead of memory holding,
Speaker 3: it's attention holding. They're attention holding you. That was actually
Speaker 3: good enough too.
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, yeah, no, well there's this it's an
Speaker 2: element of the information steering that I that all of
Speaker 2: us see again, I've heard people talking about it, and
Speaker 2: and the attention hole is a suitable phrase for it.
Speaker 2: Certainly they'll they'll literally even like the term oligarchy. Like
Speaker 2: for a while there they didn't, they didn't do this
Speaker 2: fictionalization idea with it. But whenever it was said, it
Speaker 2: was in reference to a Russian rich person. Well, there's
Speaker 2: plenty of oligarchical behavior going on in the United States
Speaker 2: and elsewhere in the world besides Russia, but for quite
Speaker 2: some time it was if you heard that o word,
Speaker 2: it was in reference to a wealthy Russian oligarch, which,
Speaker 2: again not to say that they don't exist and don't
Speaker 2: have fault in the world, but they're among the many oligarchs.
Speaker 2: So yeah, attention hole, I think nails it.
Speaker 3: Right. But that's how language changes too, Like over time,
Speaker 3: people will get attention hold into a certain way of
Speaker 3: thinking and then pretty soon that way of thinking pretty
Speaker 3: much dies off with their generation. So, for example, the
Speaker 3: word okay right, this was created in the eighteen thirties,
Speaker 3: and it was from this fashion at the time where
Speaker 3: they would misspell the words by using a letter that
Speaker 3: was like the letter that began the word. So okay
Speaker 3: actually comes from the word all and correct, and so
Speaker 3: they put those together and it created okay because they
Speaker 3: replaced the A with an O and the C with
Speaker 3: a K. I don't know why they were doing that,
Speaker 3: but it was in a It was in a newspaper article,
Speaker 3: and they had whole columns like this. It was like
Speaker 3: their gossip column was just all misspelled on purpose to
Speaker 3: create these sort of weird effects. And so all correct
Speaker 3: came out with this neutral version which is okay.
Speaker 2: And wasn't remember it was a okay for a lot
Speaker 2: of times, right.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: What does it mean?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 3: Like, do any of these you know it's It's one
Speaker 3: of those things where if you sit down and think
Speaker 3: about it for a second, it's just like, what is okay?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 3: That's the question everybody asks each other too, what you know,
Speaker 3: are you okay? What does that even mean? You know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of strange. It's definitely a sign of attention holding,
Speaker 3: because you know, it wouldn't have taken off at all
Speaker 3: if they didn't have newspapers, you know, and the newspaper
Speaker 3: influenced people to start using this weird version, and then
Speaker 3: something basically without any meaning has been passed on generation
Speaker 3: after generation, and lots of words are lost too. I mean,
Speaker 3: I can start naming words from you know, the early
Speaker 3: part of the century that just don't get used anymore.
Speaker 3: Like the word perfidy. Do you know what perfecty means?
Speaker 6: I've heard it before, actually.
Speaker 2: Is it difficult or tense?
Speaker 3: It means disloyal. So if you think about the the
Speaker 3: marine logo, it's a semper fidelus. Perfidy is like not
Speaker 3: being loyal, So fidels would mean forever loyal, and perfect fidels.
Speaker 4: Means not loyal.
Speaker 3: It's only loyal if you're getting something back, So perfidy
Speaker 3: is kind of that interesting mix and it's gone. Nobody
Speaker 3: even uses it or knows what it means, but it's
Speaker 3: a perfect term to go along with a lot of
Speaker 3: shit that we see in our society today. People only
Speaker 3: have loyalty based as far as you know what they're
Speaker 3: getting out of it.
Speaker 4: Hey, way, that's all become transactional.
Speaker 2: There's very little even consideration of honor. And even when
Speaker 2: I might bring that up, it's like almost like what
Speaker 2: who talks about that? What are you talking about? But yeah,
Speaker 2: beyond that, I think principles, If you hold your principles,
Speaker 2: then you don't get swayed by all these steerings. I
Speaker 2: think as much. But I don't think that that is
Speaker 2: as commonplace of a kind of philosophical philosophical perspective as
Speaker 2: much as like partisanship is principle, you know, partisanship is
Speaker 2: more attractive. I think.
Speaker 3: Well, in nineteen eighty four they were kind of saying
Speaker 3: that if you can eliminate the words that you know,
Speaker 3: communicate these ideas, then you can eliminate those ideas as well.
Speaker 3: And that kind of happens every generation. Like we're losing
Speaker 3: tons of words, we're getting tons of words, maybe that
Speaker 3: attention idea. You know, not everybody can be focused on
Speaker 3: a lot of things, but if you can get everybody
Speaker 3: focused generally in one direction, you can eliminate a lot
Speaker 3: of ideas from the mix.
Speaker 2: And that's a great point of this, the simplification and
Speaker 2: elimination of language leading to a redundancy of thinking, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I think we see this in the education trend over
Speaker 2: the last many decades in the United States and probably globally,
Speaker 2: that people are not using big vocabulary as much as
Speaker 2: they might have in the past. And certainly like if
Speaker 2: you communicate with young people nowadays, it's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I hate to sound like my elder generation, but what
Speaker 2: do you what are you even talking about? You know,
Speaker 2: it's like low key like you keep what what? Like?
Speaker 2: I don't know, just a lot of the redundancy and
Speaker 2: inability to communicate. I think it is becoming more and
Speaker 2: more stark.
Speaker 3: Brain rot. Brain rot became its own language within a year.
Speaker 3: And now you know, kids are kind of speaking that
Speaker 3: back and forth with each other, no cap and you know,
Speaker 3: all that other stuff type shit, you know, and it's
Speaker 3: just nothing but brain rot now. So it's it's like
Speaker 3: a whole new vocabulary, a whole new lex con and people.
Speaker 2: Are making none of it is. None of it is
Speaker 2: like really meaningful. It's just like there's a term for it,
Speaker 2: I forget, but it's just like uh words words that
Speaker 2: are just add ons without much meaning.
Speaker 3: Color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is it enriching to our language. It isn't.
Speaker 3: So that's why it's called bray rot.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a decline in the ability to to
Speaker 1: perhaps not in the ability to communicate, because these people
Speaker 1: are clearly managing to communicate through this shortened and more
Speaker 1: simple way of speaking for them, at least, because I
Speaker 1: couldn't understand it for sure. I still have trouble with
Speaker 1: the like OMG and all of those things that we
Speaker 1: used today, like I just learned yesterday, And that makes
Speaker 1: me probably it's stupid the meaning of goat, because I've
Speaker 1: been hearing on the trip that I made with communication
Speaker 1: between even the cameraman, and I didn't understand what they mean.
Speaker 1: I thought it was something of the trade or something
Speaker 1: like that, and then I realized that it's the greatest
Speaker 1: of all time or something like that. Right, goat, it's
Speaker 1: the goat. I thought it is the expiratory guy because
Speaker 1: that's what the goat means. It's or to me, at least,
Speaker 1: it was what the goat means. It's a guy that
Speaker 1: takes the fall, it's a guy that takes the blame.
Speaker 1: It's it's the goat. But apparently now he has a
Speaker 1: different meaning.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. Sarah brings up six to seven. So six
Speaker 3: seven is now a meme and it comes from really
Speaker 3: really esoteric sources, like some guy mentioned how tall this
Speaker 3: other guy was, and the expression on his face carried
Speaker 3: a certain type of feeling that they translated into a meme.
Speaker 3: Six to seven now means something, and when you use it,
Speaker 3: other people who know kind of give you the nod
Speaker 3: because they're in on the esoteric meeting behind the whole thing.
Speaker 3: But who has time to map all these things out,
Speaker 3: especially something is innocuous. It's two numbers stuck together.
Speaker 1: Sure, but there are people defending then. For instance, emogies
Speaker 1: is enriching the communication because it's a new form. Some
Speaker 1: are even related to ancient pictographs like yeroglyphs or which
Speaker 1: way I find interesting, it's it's again it's a point
Speaker 1: of view. So exactly as you were talking about good
Speaker 1: and evil and morality, basically, it's it's it's always it's.
Speaker 1: It's not a fix saying for everybody. It changes from
Speaker 1: place to place, from culture to culture, from perception to perception.
Speaker 1: So it's all interesting in terms of language communication. I
Speaker 1: understanding of what it means.
Speaker 3: I'm convinced language started out as an inside joke that
Speaker 3: just spread because you're a secret.
Speaker 1: Well, most people considered, most academics considered that language came
Speaker 1: from the need to trade, not for education or establishing
Speaker 1: rules in a community, but for trade, which have I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but.
Speaker 3: It makes sense. You got to you gotta move goods
Speaker 3: between places. But this also brings up the concept of
Speaker 3: maybe primordial telec or telepathy. Right, So in the telepathy
Speaker 3: tapes and a lot of these other things, you you
Speaker 3: understand that, uh, some of what they've been doing to
Speaker 3: experiment with this stuff is exposed that there are vestigial
Speaker 3: parts of the brain that we don't use that maybe
Speaker 3: early man had more exercise and control over that might
Speaker 3: have assisted in telepathic communication. And when language kind of erupted,
Speaker 3: we kind of lost control of developing those sensors as children.
Speaker 3: So now we don't have telepathic communication, and it's because
Speaker 3: we overuse the language instead of using the rest of
Speaker 3: our brains that did more to it.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, but to.
Speaker 3: The devolution or Downhill's live.
Speaker 1: But it still happens. It still happens because if you
Speaker 1: go to the city of Alatri in Italy, you have
Speaker 1: these nine gates that are all oriented to astronomical positions.
Speaker 1: And when they did the archaicustic testing, they use a
Speaker 1: special type of camera whose sensor is modified to detect
Speaker 1: the movement of molecules of air and this tells them
Speaker 1: where the magnetic fields are. Right, So all the nine
Speaker 1: gates because of where it's placed and how it was engineered.
Speaker 1: And this sounds like woo, but it's reality. It has
Speaker 1: a magnetic vortex on each of the gates. By the
Speaker 1: medium size of the head, the tunes everybody's brain to
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten megaherts. So what happens inside the
Speaker 1: city is people did you talk to me? Because they
Speaker 1: start listening to one another, and people go there because
Speaker 1: they know that they see things, they hear things right,
Speaker 1: And it's enormous city that had this technology active. Now
Speaker 1: it's just dormant, but they still can sometimes feel with
Speaker 1: that other person is speaking to them or and this
Speaker 1: will allow them to know if a stranger had evil
Speaker 1: intentions or bad intentions of doing something, because it would
Speaker 1: be out of tune and they can all sense each
Speaker 1: other within the community. So not only I think you
Speaker 1: are absolutely right when you say that language replace this,
Speaker 1: I think it came out of a need when the
Speaker 1: Megalitic world ended and the power of the megaliths stopped,
Speaker 1: so they need a new means of communication, and so
Speaker 1: language became more and more prevalent and they lost it.
Speaker 1: So perhaps it's not just a matter of the brain,
Speaker 1: but it's also a matter of architecture and how we
Speaker 1: establish this kind of technology. But the fact that we
Speaker 1: started using language obviously took a part. It's like when
Speaker 1: someone is right handed and breaks his arm, has to
Speaker 1: use the left one and he finds out that the
Speaker 1: left one can do the same things with a little
Speaker 1: bit of practice, because the brain creates new neuro connections, right.
Speaker 1: So in this case is the contrary. We are losing
Speaker 1: those neurow connections because we don't use them, but they
Speaker 1: are still there, and these sites prove it. Sorry I
Speaker 1: made it too long.
Speaker 3: No, No, you're good, but I was gonna ask Nick.
Speaker 3: Nick do you kind of see like a connection between
Speaker 3: animal telepathy and sort of what we were operating on before.
Speaker 3: So animals don't use language in the same way, Like
Speaker 3: they're not making words and stuff, but somehow they're able
Speaker 3: to communicate, and they do it pretty effectively, even across species.
Speaker 3: They kind of know what the other ones are doing
Speaker 3: if they want to communicate, and.
Speaker 6: You know, oh, that is a do you like that idea?
Speaker 6: I have thought that before. I mean, you know, animals
Speaker 6: don't have to really, I mean, there's certain things that
Speaker 6: they do that I think they understand, like what the
Speaker 6: other one is trying to get at. What I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't think they have a specific language vocally, you know.
Speaker 6: I do wonder about thought and if humans were like
Speaker 6: that at some point, or if it's more of like
Speaker 6: just being able to read someone's energy and that's enough
Speaker 6: to understand like what you're dealing with.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe the emotional component.
Speaker 6: Yah, I've even wondered, like, is that why some animals
Speaker 6: sometimes will react different to different people. It's because it's
Speaker 6: what the person's carrying around with them, you know. Why
Speaker 6: would a cat that you know sometimes is good with
Speaker 6: people won't like one person you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: there's probably a reason for.
Speaker 3: Them, right, it might be even something attached to them too.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, or yeah they're just an evil
Speaker 6: piece of shit, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right right, yeah, they could pick up on that ship.
Speaker 3: And I think you know, if humans had something like that,
Speaker 3: only more developed, right then you could see how that
Speaker 3: would you know, come into telepathy. And in some ways
Speaker 3: I think they're working on ways of activating those vestigial
Speaker 3: parts of the brain because if they can, why not,
Speaker 3: why not try? But the ultimate conspiracy would be a
Speaker 3: bunch of people who all have telepathy, so they could
Speaker 3: all be mobilized without ever saying a single word over
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of distance or I don't know
Speaker 3: how far telepathy is able to go, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: is there is there a proximity limit on that?
Speaker 2: Well that the idea, the idea of remote viewing, right,
Speaker 2: this is this is a psychic or intuitive practice that
Speaker 2: has been engaged by governments and they kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: we give this up or we aren't using this before,
Speaker 2: but no, actually we're going back to it because it's
Speaker 2: you know, the you know, it seems fantasiful, but it's
Speaker 2: a really like operational step by step orientation that uses
Speaker 2: potential intuition. I mean it's very very interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, we get back to the experiments of Rupert Sheldrick
Speaker 1: and the are true that are relevant to this case.
Speaker 1: One of them is the experiment that he made that is,
Speaker 1: can we say who is calling? So? Do we know
Speaker 1: who is calling us at a certain point. So he
Speaker 1: made this study and the mathematical probability proves that we
Speaker 1: still have the ability to know who is calling us
Speaker 1: before we picked up. There is a T shirt. And
Speaker 1: another test was done between people and their animals. So
Speaker 1: this particular dog as soon so they changed the itinery
Speaker 1: of the person that gets out of the house. They
Speaker 1: didn't follow the scheduling usually of the time of coming
Speaker 1: out of work and so on, and so what they
Speaker 1: did is for several times they would call the person
Speaker 1: the owner of the dog and say now you go home, right,
Speaker 1: And the second that the person produced the start that
Speaker 1: I'm going home, the dog moved into the into the
Speaker 1: window at the exact same time. So there is this
Speaker 1: is to answer what you're saying. There is no distance
Speaker 1: between an established connection, so and the person that is
Speaker 1: calling you can be on the other side of the world.
Speaker 1: So and you still know what it's calling.
Speaker 3: My cat always knows what I'm getting home, See always knows.
Speaker 6: No, you know what dogs is a lot of they're saying.
Speaker 6: I think that is as your scent starts to dwindle off,
Speaker 6: that's when like they have like they can figure out
Speaker 6: when you went home by like how long your scent
Speaker 6: is gone, because they're used to like I guess, like
Speaker 6: a work schedule, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: some weird shit like that I was written.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, in this case, they changed the time. It
Speaker 1: could be go out just two hours or stay for
Speaker 1: more two hours or three hours after the normal hour.
Speaker 1: And it's only when they decided I'm going home that
Speaker 1: the dog would move into the window.
Speaker 6: Well that is bucked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And they did the same. They had the
Speaker 1: same results with several dogs, but the one featured that
Speaker 1: they actually filmed it and show it. And there's another
Speaker 1: one the rats tests. So they present suppose that in Japan,
Speaker 1: this was pure reviewed and retested. Because they didn't believe this,
Speaker 1: they gave a new maze to a group of rats
Speaker 1: in that suppose in Japan, right, and they took two
Speaker 1: hours and fifteen minutes to solve the puzzle. They then
Speaker 1: repeat the same test with another group of asked rats.
Speaker 1: In our mice in Austria, they took one minute and
Speaker 1: forty five. They then repeat it in the United States
Speaker 1: and sorry one hour and forty foveen they take one
Speaker 1: hour and it keeps decreasing each time the experiment is repeated,
Speaker 1: and the mice are not related in any way. So
Speaker 1: this shows that by doing a task, there is some
Speaker 1: information that is uploaded that can be accessed when you're
Speaker 1: trying to solve the same problem. So when we speak
Speaker 1: about inventions that are being recreations of that are lost
Speaker 1: in time and then that are recreated, we might be
Speaker 1: talking about the same thing. So knowledge is not lost,
Speaker 1: is somewhere and there is a way to access it.
Speaker 3: Well, this might sound weird, but they've actually seen the
Speaker 3: same results when it comes to chemical reactions exactly, and
Speaker 3: a lot of these nuclear tests they've got exotic particles
Speaker 3: that they don't know ever existed in nature, and the
Speaker 3: first few times that they're they're dealing with these things,
Speaker 3: the results are entirely erratic, but they seem to normalize
Speaker 3: over time. And why would chemistry you know, one of
Speaker 3: the most physical sciences there are have a hard time processing,
Speaker 3: you know, new chemical reactions. Wouldn't it all just be mathematical.
Speaker 3: Why would it have different phases or different reactions depending
Speaker 3: on how many times it's been done before.
Speaker 1: Sure, and you have the same in crystals. Each time
Speaker 1: they develop a new type of crystal, the second time
Speaker 1: they make it is quicker and quicker and quicker. So
Speaker 1: it's like the crystal matrix itself gets transferred from without
Speaker 1: having any time or space between them, and the second
Speaker 1: time they tyed to create the same type of crystal,
Speaker 1: it grows faster, and then it grows faster and so on.
Speaker 1: So it happens in all apparently in all domains of
Speaker 1: life and matter.
Speaker 3: Well, there has to be. I think there's two ways
Speaker 3: of looking at it. The first one is simulation. We're
Speaker 3: in a massive simulation, and the simulation takes time to
Speaker 3: boot up these images, and so it doesn't know what
Speaker 3: to predict yet, so the computer's just kind of figuring
Speaker 3: it out, and that's why we get this reaction. I
Speaker 3: think there's another explanation. If we live in a holographic
Speaker 3: universe where everything has this quantum entanglement to it. Then
Speaker 3: when you're doing something new, the structure of the universe
Speaker 3: has to find what's going on with the substance for
Speaker 3: it to fully form and do its thing right. So
Speaker 3: this is more of like maybe there's a subdimensional kind
Speaker 3: of lattice work that we live in, right, that's sort
Speaker 3: of what keeps us all together, And it would be
Speaker 3: stuff like the Fibonacci sequence and you know pi. These
Speaker 3: numbers have kind of merged their way into physical reality
Speaker 3: with all of these shapes that come from their you know, algorithms.
Speaker 1: So don't you think that the simulation and the holographic
Speaker 1: might be related one another.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm just saying if you're going to describe
Speaker 3: it there, there could be two ways of looking at it.
Speaker 3: But you know, a hologram is a natural thing like
Speaker 3: that happens naturally. So if it's happening naturally here, I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe we exist inside of something else. But I don't
Speaker 3: think it's actually suggestive of that. But if you go
Speaker 3: to the simulation model, then the simulation model might explain
Speaker 3: that as well. But at the very least you can
Speaker 3: get up to that holographic level and start to understand,
Speaker 3: you know, strength it.
Speaker 1: Just occurred to me while you were speaking that the
Speaker 1: holographic might be the physical representation of the simulation. The
Speaker 1: way the simulation comes into existence is holographically, right, because
Speaker 1: you can't actually touch anything anything.
Speaker 6: You can press your fingers and I touch it that
Speaker 6: it's fucking nothing.
Speaker 1: Actually nothing, it's magnetics.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the recent uh uh discussion online about
Speaker 2: lasers and people on ayahuascape code is something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they're they're literally.
Speaker 2: All of them. Apparently this is the discussion anyway that
Speaker 2: no matter who it is, when they have these two
Speaker 2: aspects come together, the drug and a laser, they're all
Speaker 2: seeing the same thing, which is very much they're describing
Speaker 2: it like the matrix readout of the green screen. Uh uh,
Speaker 2: production orientation of the simulation, if you will, very very strange.
Speaker 1: Again, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If it's just whatever, but Library of the told says
Speaker 2: I can attest. I think he might be talking about
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, it's that's interesting because I always suspected that lasers
Speaker 3: and hallucinogens would together. But you know, you come from
Speaker 3: the rave scene. That's sort of the way you see
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that got it, so that's that's the best
Speaker 1: thing to do. Feel yourself with drugs and then go
Speaker 1: into a place with very loud music, lots of lights
Speaker 1: flashing on your eyes. That's that's I think that's very wise.
Speaker 2: Very something else that reminds me of the red the
Speaker 2: red telescopic infrared sites that were used in Vietnam. Have
Speaker 2: you guys ever heard this story?
Speaker 1: No, go on.
Speaker 2: Supposedly there were there's infrared, which means below red of
Speaker 2: the spectrum, right, and now they don't use that, they
Speaker 2: use green. It's a green night vision.
Speaker 3: I actually so.
Speaker 2: As experience break it down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what they what they had was night vision picks
Speaker 3: up this. I think it's it's ultraviolet, right. Infrared is
Speaker 3: where everything is in heat vision and that's on the
Speaker 3: other end of the spectrum. But they had to choose
Speaker 3: what color spectrum to have this image come through. You
Speaker 3: could have it in black and white, you could have
Speaker 3: it and I'm sure you guys have seen the black
Speaker 3: and white night vision, but they chose to put it
Speaker 3: into green. Right. The original What they thought originally is
Speaker 3: maybe red would would be better since they used red
Speaker 3: light for everything in the army. So if you've got
Speaker 3: flashlights they've all got a red light filter. If you've
Speaker 3: got vehicles, they have these red light filters because red
Speaker 3: light doesn't go very far at night, so that's what
Speaker 3: you need to use for light discipline, so you're not
Speaker 3: getting sniped at, you know, from miles away.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: So I think that what they wanted to do was
Speaker 3: have the red light inside of the visors so that
Speaker 3: they could you know, actually match everything else that's low
Speaker 3: light conditions. But the problem is they started freaking out
Speaker 3: with this red light in their eyes all the time
Speaker 3: and they were seeing like demons and stuff materialize in
Speaker 3: front of this you know, night vision stuff. So they
Speaker 3: had to change the color spectrum over to green, which
Speaker 3: makes more sense because we could actually see more shades
Speaker 3: of green than any other color. And if you think about,
Speaker 3: you know, evolving in the jungle, you would have more
Speaker 3: shades of green being important and significant to you as
Speaker 3: you're searching through these plants for something edible. So they
Speaker 3: went with the green color spectrum because the other one
Speaker 3: causes visions of demons and.
Speaker 1: Stuff and the black and my also because you see
Speaker 1: our eyes become like like fellon feline eyes because they
Speaker 1: shined a lot, they reflect the light somehow, and that
Speaker 1: might be freaky it after some time looking at someone's
Speaker 1: face with their eyes shining like like they're glowing, and
Speaker 1: green takes that out.
Speaker 6: Where they always use green and go something I always
Speaker 6: thought about that why they always use a green tinge.
Speaker 3: That's why they're using the green tinge, because that's what
Speaker 3: the army started to you.
Speaker 6: Just sucking regular light just white.
Speaker 3: Well, if you think about black and white, you know
Speaker 3: you've got grays in the middle, and that's where you
Speaker 3: get all the shades going between the two. But if
Speaker 3: you've got shades of green, you could actually pick up
Speaker 3: more shades of green than you can gray. So from
Speaker 3: green to black, you've got more color possibilities and more
Speaker 3: shape possibilities than you would if it was even black
Speaker 3: and white.
Speaker 6: Is it easy to pick up ship visually?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: More detail at least a little bit, And plus I
Speaker 3: wouldn't wash out as easily too. So when you have
Speaker 3: bright flashes of light coming through these uh you know goggles,
Speaker 3: all it takes is one big flash and you're you're
Speaker 3: blinded for a while.
Speaker 1: You know. So I wonder this might be sounding off,
Speaker 1: but I wonder why they don't give them some form
Speaker 1: of cannabies because it's proven that it widens your field
Speaker 1: of view and betters your tread perception of of of reality.
Speaker 1: So for a warrior it would be I know.
Speaker 2: The answer, I think because it would make people not
Speaker 2: want to fight for a government.
Speaker 1: Well, in smow doses, just to increase.
Speaker 3: They do give sniper's diazepam, which is an anti spasmodic
Speaker 3: which helps control breathing a lot better so that they
Speaker 3: can make better shots. But you don't want to drive
Speaker 3: or operate at uh heavy equipment on diazepain.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, well, I know that the in the is Olympics,
Speaker 1: in the Winter Olympics, you have those pilotons that they
Speaker 1: have to ski and then they have to stop and
Speaker 1: shoot at targets. They take they take a drug called
Speaker 1: indurl that has no no other effect than to regulate
Speaker 1: your heartbeat and take your shivers out and doesn't appear
Speaker 1: on on on tests. So they take that so when
Speaker 1: they stop two or three breathings and they are not
Speaker 1: shaking it and they are able to shoot at the
Speaker 1: at the targets. Because if you can imagine, after all
Speaker 1: of that exercise stopping to point at something, you are
Speaker 1: still you are still running your muscles are still all
Speaker 1: over the place.
Speaker 3: I always thought that was the most blatantly military a
Speaker 3: stick of all of the Olympic sports, because if you
Speaker 3: think about, you know, javelin, hammer throw, all these other things,
Speaker 3: those are ancient forms of warfare that you're watching, you know,
Speaker 3: even doing the running, you know, right, having these sea fencing, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you have sort of like the whole progression of military
Speaker 3: warfare kind of in that whole thing. And then at
Speaker 3: the very end, you know, we've got people on skis
Speaker 3: shooting targets, which that's what they trained at Fort Drum,
Speaker 3: New York. Is you know, Tenth Mountain Division is all
Speaker 3: about alpine warfare, which was sort of like the final
Speaker 3: frontier in World War Two. Is being able to control
Speaker 3: these mountainous summits is incredibly valuable, especially through troop movements
Speaker 3: and stuff. So yeah, I think, you know, you kind
Speaker 3: of see that whole progression playing out with all these
Speaker 3: different events.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, please, please, Okay, the finish a smaller country,
Speaker 2: We're able to fight off the Russians, a bigger country
Speaker 2: because of their skiing and rifling ability.
Speaker 1: No no, I was saying that you mentioned fencing, and
Speaker 1: I find it onic that what you use in Olympics
Speaker 1: and know disrespect to the people that practice it. It
Speaker 1: has no applicability to the real world because you never
Speaker 1: fight in a straight line. Fencing is all about going
Speaker 1: round and round and moving, so no one fights like that.
Speaker 1: And the fact that the swords are very pliable also
Speaker 1: doesn't correspond to reality. So it's it's a notch but
Speaker 1: doesn't serve anything but the purpose of fighting in the
Speaker 1: Olympics like moving forward and back because in reality, and
Speaker 1: these people obviously know how to fight outside of that domain.
Speaker 1: But it's it's just ridiculous. Every other sport has a
Speaker 1: ring and I don't understand why fighting doesn't have the circle.
Speaker 1: There is called lah that's that's the name of the discipline.
Speaker 1: That is is practice within a circle and you cannot
Speaker 1: move the circle and the better you get, you move
Speaker 1: to a smaller circle and start fighting in a smaller circle. Right,
Speaker 1: So that would be an interesting modality to to watch
Speaker 1: in the Olympics, but they just do that back and forward. Well,
Speaker 1: no disrespect, but it's it has no applicability into reality.
Speaker 6: Did not know that. M I always did like I
Speaker 6: was like, what's the point of the the you know,
Speaker 6: I guess it being pliable, like you're saying. I was like,
Speaker 6: I guess that's so you don't hurt yourself. I just
Speaker 6: always kind of found that funny too.
Speaker 1: No, because in practice on on a on a fencing school,
Speaker 1: you you practice with what is called the floret. That
Speaker 1: is that it's it's it's only pliable if you put
Speaker 1: it to the ground that you can band it and
Speaker 1: it returns to its original position. But it's it's a
Speaker 1: thick metal, it's not it's not like a thin thing
Speaker 1: like they use. That's why they keep having to straighten
Speaker 1: it up when they're fighting, because it's it's like a
Speaker 1: little piece of foil. It's it's it's just doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1: And in practice, the suits are prepared to take the
Speaker 1: floret because the florette has a smacked at end, so
Speaker 1: it's not a pointy thing, but it has it has
Speaker 1: hammered the metal is hammered in the point so it
Speaker 1: can't go through and the suits can take it, so
Speaker 1: even even slashes, so they could they could use it
Speaker 1: just the same. It's just the modality that they chosen
Speaker 1: to do. Perhaps it's less dangerous, but they still get
Speaker 1: hurt from time to time.
Speaker 3: I can't find anything about bushido, but I wanted to
Speaker 3: see if they're doing a fighting a straight line as well,
Speaker 3: or if they have a ring instead.
Speaker 1: No, they fight in a they fight in a very
Speaker 1: wide area, right, But the modality that you've see in
Speaker 1: competition is called kempo. So it's with those long cane
Speaker 1: swords and not with the actual broken that would be
Speaker 1: similar to katanna. But the problem is a broken still
Speaker 1: kills you. It doesn't, it doesn't stab you, but if
Speaker 1: you take with it, it's it's it's very strong wood,
Speaker 1: so it will still kill you. That's why they use.
Speaker 1: There are those cane suits and those long cane sorts
Speaker 1: that I can know. I can't remember the name right now.
Speaker 1: They're made out of bamboo too. Yeah, exactly strips of
Speaker 1: bamboo all tied together. So it's like being smacked instead
Speaker 1: of being cut. But it's not it's not a straight line.
Speaker 1: They can't fight in it.
Speaker 3: Do you know about the most famous Japanese swordsmen of
Speaker 3: all time that wrote the Book of Five.
Speaker 1: Rings exactly one of my favorites.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he killed the guy used Yeah, he killed the
Speaker 3: guy using an oar from the ship that he used
Speaker 3: to go out to the island.
Speaker 1: Well, he has, Yeah, he has a very interesting way
Speaker 1: of he never lost if he's been in one hundred
Speaker 1: and something duals, and he never lost one duel. But
Speaker 1: he had he had a specific way to unrest his opponents.
Speaker 1: In the case of the fight that you were talking
Speaker 1: about was probably his greatest adversary, and he used a
Speaker 1: long sword instead of a normal catanna. He used the
Speaker 1: sword that he would use on horseback. That is probably
Speaker 1: this longer than the normal sword.
Speaker 3: No, it was six foot. It was a total six foot.
Speaker 3: That was six foot of steel. He was going up
Speaker 3: against Samurai sword is like four for half hand. They're
Speaker 3: incredibly hard to wheel if it's your first hot like
Speaker 3: it takes a lot of strengths work.
Speaker 1: It's a two short hand. But the thing is he
Speaker 1: always came late to the duels, and because Japan is
Speaker 1: based on respect and honoring, they were very frustrated and
Speaker 1: very upset when he got actually to the place, so
Speaker 1: they were not in full focus, right, So he used
Speaker 1: that and that is explained in his book in the
Speaker 1: case of this guy, in order to upset him further.
Speaker 1: He got there two hours or more late, right, and
Speaker 1: instead of carrying a sword, he decided to while he's
Speaker 1: crossing the river, he shaped the ore of the ship
Speaker 1: with his own tento. This is a small sort of
Speaker 1: the samurai. He shaped it into more or less like
Speaker 1: a sword, right, that is longer than his long sword,
Speaker 1: so he would reach him without him being able to
Speaker 1: reach He reached the adversary without the adversary being able
Speaker 1: to reach him. So when the fight finally starts, not
Speaker 1: only the other guys upset because he's two hours plus late,
Speaker 1: he's disrespecting him by not using the sword. So he's
Speaker 1: using the ore right, so even more upset. So it
Speaker 1: took some of his ability to fight, and the outreach
Speaker 1: of his oar managed for him to strike him and win.
Speaker 3: To fight well. He also pretended he was drunk too,
Speaker 3: so the combination of drunk obnoxious, didn't even have a sword,
Speaker 3: had this fucking piece of wood, and so it was
Speaker 3: the first hit. He you know, he's coming in and
Speaker 3: he smacks the guy right in the middle of his
Speaker 3: head and kills him instantly, And so I mean it
Speaker 3: was it was one of the most decisive battles that
Speaker 3: after that, it was like he couldn't go anywhere with
Speaker 3: that people challenging him to a duel because you know
Speaker 3: it was like the most well known swordsman ever. So
Speaker 3: he wrote a book.
Speaker 1: He was an orphan, right it was raised by a priest,
Speaker 1: and he was a bit of a brat. He had
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of inner strengths. It was
Speaker 1: very committed to not losing, but he didn't have the skill.
Speaker 1: So the skill came with a lot of practice and
Speaker 1: a lot of higher training from from the from the priest,
Speaker 1: and he won his first duel. He was eleven years
Speaker 1: old or something like that. So he challenged a full
Speaker 1: grown man into a into a fight, and he won
Speaker 1: the fight. And from that point on in ave lost.
Speaker 1: He kept traveling Japan, going from school to school challenging
Speaker 1: the best and my.
Speaker 3: Motive Wassashi was definitely an inspiration for Bruce Lee as well.
Speaker 2: I was going to say Bruce Lee infamously reacted to
Speaker 2: a challenge to a fight by saying effectively, oh sure,
Speaker 2: I haven't worked out yet today?
Speaker 1: What's good?
Speaker 2: And it's almost the same psych out as like uh,
Speaker 2: oh you want to say? Or if I'm going to
Speaker 2: show up with a staff or in this case, just
Speaker 2: a piece of wood in or that he knew was
Speaker 2: hardened by the elements, was hard enough to survive the elements,
Speaker 2: so he picked a.
Speaker 4: Good piece of wood. He knew it would work.
Speaker 2: But it's also like wait, oh, and that fight he
Speaker 2: had scheduled when challenged for a year later on the island.
Speaker 4: So the whole year.
Speaker 2: This guy is building up. Talk about a psych out.
Speaker 2: He had a year that he that he psyched this
Speaker 2: guy out with, right, and he shows up drunk and
Speaker 2: with a stick with an or. And so the guy's
Speaker 2: just like, wait, if I win, I don't even win
Speaker 2: because he's he doesn't have the swords, or if I
Speaker 2: if I, if I lose that now I'm losing to
Speaker 2: a guy with an or And he's you know, all
Speaker 2: these things they're just like twisted his perspective, And if.
Speaker 1: You think about it, he's very much the art of war.
Speaker 1: You won the battle before you go into the field.
Speaker 1: In fact, the complete victory only happens if you don't
Speaker 1: actually go into the field and battle, because you you
Speaker 1: vanquish your enemy before the battle even begun.
Speaker 2: So and I believe son Su said exactly what Musashi
Speaker 2: did in that sense, when your enemies think you're strong,
Speaker 2: act weak. When your enemies think you're weak, make them
Speaker 2: think that you're strong. Effectively. Excuse my killing of the quote,
Speaker 2: but something like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, so did you what were we? Who's next?
Speaker 3: It's my turn? I think it's my turn. So this
Speaker 3: kind of went back into the idea of the managed algorithm.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys, but ever since Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk's death, there has been nothing but christian bat farms
Speaker 3: in my feed. And that's it. It's like every other
Speaker 3: post for.
Speaker 2: A long time.
Speaker 6: You know what that happened?
Speaker 2: Sorry, Christianity. I love Christianity, but it does. It is
Speaker 2: a strange form.
Speaker 6: Of it's because you entertained the bullshit, so the bots
Speaker 6: attached to you the true story.
Speaker 1: As you don't talk about it.
Speaker 6: He doesn't know. I mean, I mean, you did get
Speaker 6: caught up in that shit a bit. So I'm sure
Speaker 6: the bots saw this one's going. Let's fu keep going.
Speaker 3: With them right now because.
Speaker 6: Those things have been going on since Trump. It's just
Speaker 6: they got to find the people who are getting into
Speaker 6: it right.
Speaker 3: They want the conflict too, So if you put any
Speaker 3: negative comments, you're gonna get ten times more.
Speaker 6: Dude, I've watched bots fight. They will even fight with
Speaker 6: each other. One bot will fight another bot. You go
Speaker 6: look up that account, and you go look up the person,
Speaker 6: you'll see like one account for them on social media,
Speaker 6: and all the all the family pictures have swirled faces
Speaker 6: because it's ai.
Speaker 2: Interesting. I noticed, like, I'll get very little traction on
Speaker 2: things that I post on Facebook most often. And one
Speaker 2: time I shared this meme not too long ago. It
Speaker 2: had like, what was it the couple that got caught
Speaker 2: cheating at the the some some concert where they're hugging
Speaker 2: each other, and instead this meme had Trump and Epstein
Speaker 2: in this embrace. Yes, the bots just came wild and
Speaker 2: it's and they started a whole like argument with a
Speaker 2: bunch of my friends. And I was like, no, they're
Speaker 2: they're bots. I have no idea where they're coming from
Speaker 2: or how they how the algorithm tracked this photo which
Speaker 2: I didn't even say anything about, had no links or anything.
Speaker 2: Just the photo spurred like a thousand percent increase of
Speaker 2: any traction I might have had on any other posts.
Speaker 2: And they were all I would say, most are were bots,
Speaker 2: very strength.
Speaker 6: Oh they're all like triggered too right, like to act
Speaker 6: like fucking rabid people, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And they were saying these very generality kind of things.
Speaker 2: That's how I knew they were bots. It was like,
Speaker 2: oh Clinton something something like wait what and like just
Speaker 2: this this whole like not even relevant stuff, and people
Speaker 2: would argue with them. I'm like, just chill, They're not
Speaker 2: even real in your opinion.
Speaker 1: What is the real objective of these farms of thousands
Speaker 1: of phones connected to whatever this machine is? It makes
Speaker 1: them right?
Speaker 4: And yet I know what it means.
Speaker 3: I just figured out I could.
Speaker 2: In general, bringing it back to nineteen eighty four, Winston
Speaker 2: asks O'Brien, what what what is? What is it going
Speaker 2: to be like in the future, and he says, imagine
Speaker 2: a boot stomping on the human face forever. And he
Speaker 2: also says the point is power. The point of power
Speaker 2: is more power. So it's like, I think that's what
Speaker 2: they're really trying to obtain and maintain is power.
Speaker 1: Changing of public's perception. Is that what you mean?
Speaker 6: That's what I think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all of the control of information is in
Speaker 2: order to maintain and gain power by people that are
Speaker 2: influencing the information right, Because.
Speaker 1: Because we leave in a time where there are guys
Speaker 1: or girls doing a lot of money on Instagram, for instance,
Speaker 1: with a girl that doesn't exist and people know he
Speaker 1: doesn't exist and still pay and still live. Weird, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: Never get any sirens until I'm podcasting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, but it's an emergency, so I definitely yes,
Speaker 1: you'll figured it out. So I'm curious to hear it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, go ahead, Okay. So in nineteen thirty one,
Speaker 3: psychologists Winthrop and Luleela Lula Kellogg conducted a controversial experiment
Speaker 3: in which they raised their ten month old son Donald
Speaker 3: alongside a female chimpanzee named Gua, who was seven and
Speaker 3: a half months old at the time. The goal was
Speaker 3: to investigate how environmental influence development by treating the two
Speaker 3: infants as brother and sister and raising them identically in
Speaker 3: every way, including dressing them similarly, feeding them in high chairs,
Speaker 3: and providing the same level of care and training. The
Speaker 3: experiment lasted for nine months, during which the Kelloggs meticulously
Speaker 3: documented their observations and conducted numerous tests on both children.
Speaker 3: Gua demonstrated remarkable psycho physical develops and outperformed Donald in
Speaker 3: many tasks, such as using a spoon, cup, opening doors,
Speaker 3: and walking upright. She also imitated human behaviors like hugging, kissing,
Speaker 3: showing affection, and displayed strong comprehension of language, though she
Speaker 3: could not speak. However, the experiment was terminated on March
Speaker 3: twenty eighth, nineteen thirty two, after nine months. While the
Speaker 3: exact reasons are debated, several factors are cited. Gua was
Speaker 3: becoming stronger and exhausted from the demands of the experiment,
Speaker 3: potentially less manageable. The Kellogg's were exhausted from the demands
Speaker 3: of the experiment, and Donald began imitating Gua's chimp like
Speaker 3: vocalizations and behaviors, raising concerns about his own development.
Speaker 1: So the human was following the ape, right.
Speaker 3: That's why that's why they're having all these bots, because
Speaker 3: now we've got a whole generation of kids raised by bots.
Speaker 3: What are they going to be more like when they
Speaker 3: grow up?
Speaker 6: But definitely and they'll think with the butts do all
Speaker 6: to think exactly politics. That's why you know on social
Speaker 6: media that's exactly what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that in that particular case, the
Speaker 1: child was following the ape because the ape was to
Speaker 1: him the alpha of the group, right, because it's the
Speaker 1: one that is ahead, the one that's doing stuff and
Speaker 1: looks stronger or better. In the case of the bots,
Speaker 1: I would say that these people come, they are new
Speaker 1: to start using the phone and so on. They know nothing,
Speaker 1: and they learned from the things that appear in their screen. Right,
Speaker 1: so they kept on following and use the same matters
Speaker 1: of language, of communication, of wording that they see on
Speaker 1: these bots. And so the result is what you're saying,
Speaker 1: that they turn into human bots in terms of expression.
Speaker 6: And wine control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they have many years of that. We tell you.
Speaker 3: Here's how cybernetics was supposed to work. So cybernetics was
Speaker 3: just supposed to be humans being trained on computers, kind
Speaker 3: of like away classes or whatever. So cybernetics is the
Speaker 3: interplay between human and computer. As you're clicking through these
Speaker 3: different choices that the computer gives you, you're engaging with
Speaker 3: that machine. Well, now it's the opposite. The machine is
Speaker 3: engaging with us and learning from our behavior. So instead
Speaker 3: of us learning from the machine, now it's this cyclical loop.
Speaker 3: It's this snake eating its own tail, right, It's constantly
Speaker 3: feeding back and forth between organic and inorganic, and so
Speaker 3: people are going to be learning in those ways. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like a whole skinner box experiment using this
Speaker 3: is our entire planet, you know, this is our only interaction.
Speaker 3: So that's what they're hoping for the next generation. It's
Speaker 3: just going to be that easy to train them through the.
Speaker 1: Attention hole, which is which is ironic because the Internet
Speaker 1: is the biggest accumulation of information with free access to
Speaker 1: it that humankind has ever heard or had, at least
Speaker 1: in our historical times. So it's instead of being used
Speaker 1: as such, the majority use it just to kill the time,
Speaker 1: Like whatever whatever comes up on screen is whatever I'm
Speaker 1: going to watch. And we have the attention span problem, right,
Speaker 1: so videos that are more than three minutes, three to
Speaker 1: five minutes is it's the ideal, And even then most
Speaker 1: people don't watch them to the end because they're too
Speaker 1: used to keep on changing. I want something they can't,
Speaker 1: they can't keep focus, right, So.
Speaker 3: Do you think they want more open platforms if they're
Speaker 3: going to try and train these things to be more realistic?
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, if you think about it, they
Speaker 3: need to actually understand human behavior and not just what
Speaker 3: you're allowed to type on the Internet. The only way
Speaker 3: you're going to create more committing bots, Well, I.
Speaker 1: Came from a time when we had documentaries of six
Speaker 1: hours and we still said, oh, it's already ended. I
Speaker 1: wanted more information, but now it's just thirty seconds next.
Speaker 1: I got it next. And most of it is just
Speaker 1: publical figures. It's not even information. It's just stuff that
Speaker 1: doesn't teach you anything but to imitate this body language
Speaker 1: that these people use. And it's a complete mind fuckery
Speaker 1: to young people because they act and it's like when
Speaker 1: they started with what do you call the music videos
Speaker 1: that are thinking that they have the choreographies and they
Speaker 1: show how they dress and how they move and how
Speaker 1: they act. Now you have all of these people that
Speaker 1: have problems with hands because musicians seem like they are
Speaker 1: brain damaged, and they speak with the hands in the
Speaker 1: very weirdt way, and people find it it's it's it's
Speaker 1: cool to speak the same way, right. I've seen that
Speaker 1: in impair children unfortunately, but now it's it's a common
Speaker 1: way of expressing yourself, which I find funny.
Speaker 3: I like the way you put that. So, Nick, did
Speaker 3: you have a topic you order to discuss anything on
Speaker 3: the top of your mind?
Speaker 6: Oh, that's why I was like, I really didn't even
Speaker 6: have anything unfortunately. I mean, just not to talk about
Speaker 6: the shit that I'm working on. It's like the only
Speaker 6: thing I've been doing, so the only ship my head.
Speaker 4: Really, Well, what's your latest project?
Speaker 6: H fucking doing like three at the same time. I
Speaker 6: did finish one, and like, well, I finished one and
Speaker 6: I'm prepared and I'm doing get on a show Tuesday
Speaker 6: for mic and days I'm doing vampire Lore, but you know,
Speaker 6: just to keep it real and it'd probably be a
Speaker 6: different show anyway. But it's like sometimes when I cover
Speaker 6: topics or going on other people shows, even on my own,
Speaker 6: I don't get through all my notes. So I recorded
Speaker 6: the show my whole thing and did that as well,
Speaker 6: just in case when I cover it on these other
Speaker 6: people's shows, it doesn't neither. I don't get finished or
Speaker 6: just whatever. So like, I'm doing that and I'm gonna
Speaker 6: drop that for Halloween. Then I was working on a
Speaker 6: stuff for the for the UU show tomorrow. I mean,
Speaker 6: I have that done, but I need to go over
Speaker 6: and kind of like it's seventy pages. Obviously I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna be able to cover that in the show, so
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to go through it and actually pick
Speaker 6: which herbs I want to use on the show. I
Speaker 6: did that recently and I'm working Geo Donald B. I'm
Speaker 6: working on So it's a lot of shit. But the
Speaker 6: vampire lore and the incense stuff, the incense and the
Speaker 6: you know what it effects on the cranial nerves in
Speaker 6: your nervous system's topic. Yeah, yeah, I will say about that.
Speaker 6: It's you know, even like it really in a couple
Speaker 6: of ways. It's just it really does reiterate things that
Speaker 6: I've said before. One, like I do think a lot
Speaker 6: of stuff is woo woo. And when you start looking
Speaker 6: at a lot of what these herbs will do if
Speaker 6: they're ingested or if the oil is put on you
Speaker 6: or if you inhale them, even like certain things that
Speaker 6: they go along with with spells would almost even give
Speaker 6: you that feeling that you've just accomplished that, you know.
Speaker 6: And like I've always said before, like I guess depending
Speaker 6: on like what you're trying to do in magic. Let's
Speaker 6: say I'm liking making a candle, I mean and keep
Speaker 6: it easier and doing candle magic, and I'm doing it
Speaker 6: to change myself. And let's say I'm doing it to
Speaker 6: change somebody else. With those herbs maybe actually be used
Speaker 6: to burn those so you change yourself and feel better
Speaker 6: and get your mind clear and try to do what
Speaker 6: you're trying to do, and oppose to somebody who's trying
Speaker 6: to use it to obtain something and change the will
Speaker 6: of the world around them. I would again would say
Speaker 6: that's probably the difference between white matt You can black magic.
Speaker 6: I know it's simple and it's going against the herbs,
Speaker 6: but like maybe that's used to change you and not
Speaker 6: actually used to try to change the world around you.
Speaker 3: But in as its you, you do both, because if
Speaker 3: you change the perspective of the individual, then they're going
Speaker 3: to be making different choices.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, but it's like when you start justifying that,
Speaker 6: it's like, well, it's okay for me to be a
Speaker 6: fascist because I want everybody to believe what I want
Speaker 6: to believe. I'm not down with that either. People don't
Speaker 6: like the shit that comes out of my mouth. They
Speaker 6: don't believe me. I don't care. I don't get angry,
Speaker 6: I don't go rant, I don't go fucking create spaces
Speaker 6: over it. It's it is what it is. You know,
Speaker 6: I've start pushing that shit I'm a fascist and a
Speaker 6: black magic magian. If I keep badgering people to tell
Speaker 6: them to think the way I think, it's, it stucks
Speaker 6: becoming that and that's not my deal.
Speaker 2: All the uh non touch healing that I've experienced always
Speaker 2: begins like with essentially, do I have your permission to
Speaker 2: work with your energy? That being right, so that that
Speaker 2: non permission kind of thing, it lends to what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you can't impede that, you know.
Speaker 6: That's why I look at my ship as putting on information.
Speaker 6: If you want to listen to it, take it for granted.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, take you to it, go for it.
Speaker 6: If you don't, I don't give a fuck with some
Speaker 6: avatar on the internet things, honestly, just keep it real.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. It could be a bot.
Speaker 2: Probably not even an avatar that's given them too much glory.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah no, but uh no, but it's just
Speaker 6: you know, certain things between that and the crystals, which
Speaker 6: that is, that was that's even worse. That's even more
Speaker 6: detailed ship. Uh but I want I don't know if
Speaker 6: I want to put them both together in a book.
Speaker 6: The crystals is impressive, but I think if it was
Speaker 6: your to look at it in a different way. I
Speaker 6: do think it's impressive, though, like with some of them,
Speaker 6: like I mean, you want to keep it real, just
Speaker 6: colors of crystals. You look at them long enough, the
Speaker 6: color can affect you. I mean, there was a lot
Speaker 6: of properties of crystals. But I think if you have
Speaker 6: that stuff and you have these herbs on your on
Speaker 6: your on your altar, and you're doing all this shit,
Speaker 6: at some point, I just think it's just kind of
Speaker 6: psychodrama and whatever feeling or maybe even theogy, like when
Speaker 6: you're do in theogy, I mean, maybe that feeling you're
Speaker 6: getting is from the incense and that you're actually doing anything.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the ability to create magic effectively
Speaker 1: is very much based on self actuation. Yes, so that's
Speaker 1: why the rituals can be changed according to whatever you
Speaker 1: believe will actually work, based on what you've learned that
Speaker 1: others used. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think that's why some people might even do the
Speaker 6: rituals differently because they're looking at it in a different way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean I would even say that's probably where Crowley
Speaker 6: has his own specific formula rituals, because he's looking at
Speaker 6: it in a different way. Than other ones were, or
Speaker 6: he's starting in a different, different time of the journey.
Speaker 1: So it is, it's it's slantac. Magic is something that
Speaker 1: you can follow a formula, like a recipe of culinary
Speaker 1: and you get the results of the recipe. You need
Speaker 1: to believe in what you're doing, and sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to change some of what you're doing in or for
Speaker 1: you to believe in what you do.
Speaker 6: That and I think, like, I know it's a hard
Speaker 6: thing to get at, but if you look at my
Speaker 6: whole thing of being, like an nde or death is involved,
Speaker 6: and when I cover these herbs, and the way it
Speaker 6: affects is your vagus nerve and actually slows your heart rate.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's actually quite evident that that
Speaker 6: those might be aiding and you're knocking yourself off.
Speaker 1: Sure, but in the case of using chemicals, then you
Speaker 1: don't require belief because they will actually oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah. But like all right, what I would
Speaker 6: say is like you believe that you're going to have
Speaker 6: this experience if you use this stuff.
Speaker 1: M okay, good, But they do actually they have an
Speaker 1: active function on physiologically speaking, right, because if you give
Speaker 1: four grams of mushrooms, it doesn't matter what is the
Speaker 1: belief of the guy, it still will have an experience.
Speaker 1: It's an appointing. But in ritual you you have to
Speaker 1: use self ectuation. You have to actually believe in what
Speaker 1: you're doing in order to to work.
Speaker 6: I think that helps mentally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, placebo effect.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: Well there's also the uh the element I just thought
Speaker 3: of a second ago is ritual placement of these crystals
Speaker 3: on different parts of the body. So you've got necklace, right, chiara,
Speaker 3: you've got bracelets, and the way that they, you know,
Speaker 3: interact with the different nerves like that could be TCM
Speaker 3: in some way. I know that the Otsi, the Iceman,
Speaker 3: he had Chinese style tattoos on different meridians of his body.
Speaker 3: So where we put these gemstones in relationship to our
Speaker 3: bodies actually could be from some sort of science looking
Speaker 3: at this energy source.
Speaker 1: That's that's very interesting because Otsy is not only a
Speaker 1: rare case on terms of conservation and how old he
Speaker 1: is because it's from three thousand BC three thousand and
Speaker 1: something BC, is the fact that he was carrying very
Speaker 1: valuable items for the time, like his eggs, and he
Speaker 1: had a pouch of herbs that were that had physiological
Speaker 1: effects by healing or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: And he was killed on the back. He was he
Speaker 1: had an arrow that almost came through his heart right,
Speaker 1: and whoever killed him went to him, took the shaft out,
Speaker 1: left the arrow right and didn't rob him. So it's
Speaker 1: considered to be the first hate crime crime in recorded
Speaker 1: history because he wasn't robbed. He kept all this. In fact,
Speaker 1: he was he was crawling through the snow because all
Speaker 1: of anxiety he was taking taking off his items trying
Speaker 1: to reach surviving. He was dying anyway, but he crawled
Speaker 1: for a long time and left his belongings through that
Speaker 1: trail of snow. So when they found him and kept looking,
Speaker 1: he found all his stuff behind him on this trail
Speaker 1: that was marked by the falling snow that eventually buried
Speaker 1: and conservation. So I find that very interesting. And he
Speaker 1: had a highly poisoning of arsenic. He was going to
Speaker 1: die anyway, He wasn't going to live longer unless he
Speaker 1: was able to weed his herts to eliminate the chemical
Speaker 1: poisoning that he was suffering. So and probably got that
Speaker 1: because his axe, although it was made of copper and
Speaker 1: not bronze, was twenty percent better metal than if it
Speaker 1: was just copper because of the elements that it has mixed.
Speaker 1: Then probably he was the one creating those stuff. He
Speaker 1: was the one melting it and pouring into the mold
Speaker 1: to create his own X. All of that, I think
Speaker 1: Otsi is a case that has much more to tell
Speaker 1: than just a guy well conserveed in to snow.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's how they know it was Chinese medicine.
Speaker 3: Tattoos on the outside of his body is because of
Speaker 3: the broken bones that he had that these things were
Speaker 3: related to. So these were actually used in coordination to
Speaker 3: try and stimulate healing of this broken bone that he had.
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention some Nicki mentioned this before, and
Speaker 2: one of the guests on the show mentioned to in
Speaker 2: relation to magic, the idea of bringing in the syncretic,
Speaker 2: whether it's color or chakra, or the herbal incense or
Speaker 2: the crystals, right, bringing this alignment into whatever the idea
Speaker 2: that you're looking for, into the energy of the spell,
Speaker 2: if you will, or the activity, and that really resonates
Speaker 2: for me in practicing taisi, I try to align myself
Speaker 2: with good or powerful or whatever it is, then I
Speaker 2: might be focusing on if if I am focusing on
Speaker 2: an idea, I try to get in alignment with gold
Speaker 2: and higher thinking and whatever it is all all together
Speaker 2: in unison, and that really has a magical effect, really
Speaker 2: really puts forth magic for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that, you know, I've even mentioned before.
Speaker 6: I do think, like I guess, when you're getting into
Speaker 6: like ceremonial stuff. For myself, I used to go overboard
Speaker 6: with the correspondences, you know. I would you know, the
Speaker 6: multi cloth the candles. I might even put oils in
Speaker 6: certain herbs on the candles, a certain engrave, certain sigils
Speaker 6: to you know, with what I'm working with. You know,
Speaker 6: sometimes the color of light bulb that I even use
Speaker 6: in the room that I was doing, you know, i'd
Speaker 6: haven't matched the suffer of Sometimes I had different colored robes.
Speaker 6: I had white, black, I had a purple and a
Speaker 6: green thing that I could put over it to to
Speaker 6: like change the colors and stuff. I had a bunch
Speaker 6: of different stuff. Long story short, I do think that
Speaker 6: when I was doing all that, it definitely keeps me.
Speaker 6: I guess when I'm worried about everything and making sure
Speaker 6: everything matches. I'm very much set on the idea of
Speaker 6: what I'm doing, you know, and then I would even like,
Speaker 6: you know, just keeping a rail sounds again od. I
Speaker 6: mean I would do ritual bats before my ritual. I
Speaker 6: mean even then I'd be meditating and what I'm about
Speaker 6: to do for the next you know, I'd be sitting
Speaker 6: in there for a half hour thinking about what I'm
Speaker 6: about to do for another hour, and then when I
Speaker 6: go in there, everything set up to remind me exactly
Speaker 6: what I'm trying to go for. I'm sure that helps
Speaker 6: with the whole, you know, psycho part, but I also
Speaker 6: do think that and for myself. And I've said this before,
Speaker 6: and I've even wondered if this is why other occultists
Speaker 6: like pound their heads in with like tons of shit
Speaker 6: as young kids. I think the more stuff that's in
Speaker 6: your head before you have a magical experience, more shit
Speaker 6: will get rewired, more ship will start making sense to you.
Speaker 6: So I think, even if you're doing all that and
Speaker 6: it's just like you know, not really like magic magic,
Speaker 6: but it's kind of like, I don't know, psychodrama, I
Speaker 6: think after you have a magical experience, you might start
Speaker 6: seeing how this stuff makes sense in different ways and
Speaker 6: why they're all connected. It's hard to explain. It's almost
Speaker 6: like a puzzle gets rearranged and you're like, oh, that's
Speaker 6: the actual right picture, but everything is still there and
Speaker 6: connected in a way. It's just swiped around a little
Speaker 6: bit differently. That's been my experience, So.
Speaker 1: You would say that after with your experience, it became
Speaker 1: more tuned to decoding the reality or inserted in.
Speaker 6: Yeah. It was almost like, you know, things would start
Speaker 6: flashing in front of my face, Taro and just certain ideas,
Speaker 6: cabalistic things, you know, crystal stone, you know, or whatever,
Speaker 6: and it's almost like it just goes like a like
Speaker 6: a zeotrope of them like flashing forward, and it's like
Speaker 6: you see this continual connection between all of them, like
Speaker 6: it's golden thread and it makes sense. I don't know
Speaker 6: how to explain.
Speaker 1: So it begins as as a book.
Speaker 6: It's almost like it's like you ship yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And suddenly you're getting words and you're getting words of
Speaker 1: it and you start to make it yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's almost likes to put together the whole paragraph right
Speaker 6: and you're like, oh, okay, is it's that weird? And
Speaker 6: it's almost where it's like you're leaving here being said
Speaker 6: to you, but you're not. It's even hard to explain
Speaker 6: with that, dude.
Speaker 3: That's why so many magicians use the cut up method.
Speaker 1: Because it's exactly like that, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've thought that before. I was like, that's kind
Speaker 6: of like, you know, you misman you know, mixing it
Speaker 6: up again, and it's like, oh, that's the way it
Speaker 6: was supposed to be. Even it's like part of the
Speaker 6: chaos with magic, the rewarming, rethinking.
Speaker 3: The cut up method is, uh, it's from the guy
Speaker 3: who wrote the book Naked Lunch. I forgot his.
Speaker 6: Name, Oh god right he Uh, guys like coffin Ship right.
Speaker 3: It would cut these words out of magazines and newspapers
Speaker 3: and then scattered them all over the place, and then
Speaker 3: based off of where they were next to each other,
Speaker 3: he would get whole new meanings out of these words,
Speaker 3: and then that would sort of represent what he was
Speaker 3: divining for or you know, having to do with this ritual.
Speaker 3: And so we've interviewed a bunch of people from Temple
Speaker 3: a Set and they all swear by that method as
Speaker 3: sort of this pre planning phase in their magical rituals
Speaker 3: is using the cutup method to form new sentences and
Speaker 3: new ideas from what they were using.
Speaker 6: That's interesting. I would even see even with like basic
Speaker 6: shit like there was like just like certain things that
Speaker 6: like I remember form like news or like stories about
Speaker 6: Crolly or other people where it's just like all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, like all the things that are being told,
Speaker 6: it's like, wait, but that image is exactly what it's
Speaker 6: even start to wonder that you're putting together the bullshit
Speaker 6: that's even being put in front of your face, because
Speaker 6: you start to see how it actually makes sense in
Speaker 6: the tale that you've been looking at the whole fucking
Speaker 6: time but never fucking understood it. You see it being
Speaker 6: retold in so many different ways in TV and shit.
Speaker 1: Regarding regarding your research in in in Vampires, did you
Speaker 1: did you connect more or research more into the psychic
Speaker 1: vampire or into the classical term of the blood vampire.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess it would be more of that I
Speaker 6: did cover at the beginning. I mean, this is the
Speaker 6: whole thing with this whole vampire as well. You will
Speaker 6: have these ancient gods and these religions that have something
Speaker 6: that's sort of like that is something that just either
Speaker 6: will suck your blood or sucks your energy, but when
Speaker 6: you start getting to when the word vampire was actually
Speaker 6: used a as somebody who died came back and sucks
Speaker 6: your blood. When you start looking at this and looking
Speaker 6: at people that have actually, you know, cases where bodies
Speaker 6: have been exhumed and things hearts pulled, motherfucker steaked, heart's
Speaker 6: pulled out, motherfucker's burned, or even you know, doing shit
Speaker 6: with the heart. All of this, any of these cases
Speaker 6: all followed tuberculosis or rabies. These people were scared the
Speaker 6: fucking death of what the fuck was going on, so
Speaker 6: they had to find a bad guy. They had to
Speaker 6: find a fucking you know, a solution which they were
Speaker 6: handed and some of them even come for court. The
Speaker 6: whole staking is for what you do to a murderer
Speaker 6: that came from fucking court. And then you take some
Speaker 6: of these old again going back to the ancient ones,
Speaker 6: you take some of their little bit of traditions and
Speaker 6: bring it into how you deal with it now. And
Speaker 6: this is how you sell the public to cure to
Speaker 6: their fucking manic over TV, and the cremators make a
Speaker 6: couple of fucking dollars out it too.
Speaker 1: But you have these cases in countries around.
Speaker 6: I have a Poland Russia, Like those motherfuckers were out
Speaker 6: during the day, so where's the sunlight fucking allergy to them? Sure,
Speaker 6: it's bullshit. What bram Stoker picked was like a few
Speaker 6: things out of like twenty fucking different things that have
Speaker 6: supposedly happened between like Rhode Island and a couple of
Speaker 6: other countries in Europe, and just was like, oh, this
Speaker 6: is gonna sound good, and like they were never sexualized
Speaker 6: or considered sexy, so we'll throw that in because the
Speaker 6: public loves sex, and we could just fucking hill on that.
Speaker 1: But you are aware that around the carpetents and even
Speaker 1: in some more dicent countries, we are finding these burials
Speaker 1: where the skeletons are not only maimed so they are
Speaker 1: completely tied. They put a huge rock in their mouth,
Speaker 1: They open their mouths and they put a huge rock in.
Speaker 6: I tol you that. Yeah, at one point when they
Speaker 6: thought that people might have been vampires, they stuck shit
Speaker 6: in their mouth, They lifted their fucking neck up, they
Speaker 6: bounded their fucking throat, all the silly shit because they
Speaker 6: thought they were gonna fucking That's one thing too. It's like, yo,
Speaker 6: where did we ever start thinking that something will just
Speaker 6: die and somehow magically come back to life, Like if
Speaker 6: something's dead, I mean like how like how is it?
Speaker 6: How is in an unanimated Oh again, that's something you
Speaker 6: and I weren't dead to fucking witness, So we don't
Speaker 6: know if it's true or not. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And we can go off fucking beliefs of faith, but
Speaker 6: I have I don't understand scientifically how something can die
Speaker 6: and then reanimate and move your body. You you're somehow
Speaker 6: your nervous system is gonna kick back in. You're gonna move,
Speaker 6: You're gonna fucking talk, You're gonna act normal. When I
Speaker 6: somebody explained to me, is science, how the fuck that's possible? Well,
Speaker 6: I have, if we want to go by old tales,
Speaker 6: but we haven't seen it in front of our faces
Speaker 6: in a long time to actual show proof, have we?
Speaker 6: None of this has been in our faces to show proof.
Speaker 6: They're old tails.
Speaker 2: Same, But didn't Alexander I and he was still alive,
Speaker 2: and I forget what.
Speaker 6: Oh people could be buried when they're not dead. I
Speaker 6: cover that that does happen.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's different, But I think Alexander was kind
Speaker 2: of in a stasis where he was alive but basically dying,
Speaker 2: And so they thought he was dead, and he stayed
Speaker 2: in a condition that was not depictive of a dead
Speaker 2: person for quite a long time. But he actually had
Speaker 2: this disease that kept him basically dead, immobile but almost like.
Speaker 4: Maybe he might might wake up.
Speaker 2: I forget what the disease was, but it was even
Speaker 2: just just something that people It.
Speaker 6: Was something about which is real cool. Just real quick, Ricardo,
Speaker 6: just real quick. I do want to throw this. I
Speaker 6: did add this in there. There was I forgot the
Speaker 6: name of it. It was a pelagor or something like that
Speaker 6: that was even common in certain areas, and and the
Speaker 6: side effect of that would actually be uh scally a
Speaker 6: flash of flaky skin and sensitivity to the sun. So
Speaker 6: I mean, like you're even taking things that are fucking
Speaker 6: problems from other issues and aiding into a vampire that
Speaker 6: we get in Dracula. That goes back to Vladi Impeller.
Speaker 6: He never fucking died and he never sucked blood. Why
Speaker 6: how the fuck are we making sense of that? Well,
Speaker 6: they because it's a cute fucking story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they put that because of the steaks. Because he
Speaker 1: killed these people and.
Speaker 6: Murderlory.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also also body theft, so somebody stole his body and
Speaker 3: they went to ezuom It and it wasn't there. So
Speaker 3: they've had problems in that region with body theft a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was the early years of medicine and
Speaker 1: they were stealing bodies to open them up and study
Speaker 1: them and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: Think about a few years ago Ricardo, people who were
Speaker 6: scared of people who got the shot started coming up
Speaker 6: with ideas that they're fucking flaking and they're going to
Speaker 6: get other people sick because they're fucking scared. What's the difference, Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly the same thing. Come on, you have you
Speaker 1: have this belief from Christians that when the bodies did
Speaker 1: not decay, right, for instance, there is this convent of Karma.
Speaker 6: They understand ferenzos.
Speaker 1: Well, they have these bodies that people didn't decay, and
Speaker 1: the hair is still growing and the nails are still
Speaker 1: growing to this day, and they have three hundred years
Speaker 1: or four hundred years old, right, and they consider them saints.
Speaker 1: But in the past they could instead of considering them says,
Speaker 1: is it probably to do This guy still grazes up
Speaker 1: at night and goes about and is the reason why
Speaker 1: we have these situation.
Speaker 6: I covered the hair and nails stay. I'm not saying
Speaker 6: this is your situation, because there are types where that happens,
Speaker 6: and if you look at it, I do think like
Speaker 6: there was a thing I was going to cover with
Speaker 6: these monks that would to my opinion, they were, you know,
Speaker 6: experiencing magic. They're separating their soul from the body. And
Speaker 6: when they do eventually dye, their bodies like fucking maintain
Speaker 6: like for so long before they But besides that I
Speaker 6: did even cover back in the day, you didn't know
Speaker 6: that when someone dies, they may shrivel, so their nail
Speaker 6: beds will go back, which makes their nails look like
Speaker 6: they grow longer. And when their skins fucking sucks in,
Speaker 6: their hair might look like it grow a little bit longer.
Speaker 6: So like, And they didn't know that rigor mortis goes
Speaker 6: away after a while. So when they're opening up these corpses,
Speaker 6: it looks like they grew hair. Their nail beds are back,
Speaker 6: and they're not rigid anymore. Oh, they're a vampire.
Speaker 2: Burned the bitch.
Speaker 1: The fuck. Not only this case in the monastery, the
Speaker 1: hair is actually.
Speaker 6: No, I believe that. I believe that I have seen
Speaker 6: some of those.
Speaker 3: As the muscle tissue degrades as the body is decomposing,
Speaker 3: sometimes it will move.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 3: That I mean that. That's enough for me to terrify
Speaker 3: the fuck out of me if I'm with a dead
Speaker 3: body and it starts to jolted. Man, dude, that's that's horrific.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: We had a situation in the nineties where this famous
Speaker 1: musician was on tour in Portugal and he was sleeping
Speaker 1: on the back of a van. So they had a
Speaker 1: huge accident, right, and he was projected through the metal,
Speaker 1: through the side of the van, into the out into
Speaker 1: the outside, and he was declared death. But his wife
Speaker 1: never believed he was actually so she managed by court
Speaker 1: to get a permit to take the coffin out right
Speaker 1: because he didn't believe the guy was dead. And once
Speaker 1: they opened the coffin, it will all scratch, the body
Speaker 1: was all shriveled. Part of the guy woke up three
Speaker 1: days or four days later inside of the coffin under
Speaker 1: the earth. Because in Portugal they bury people very quickly.
Speaker 1: They don't wait the forty eight hours or something like that.
Speaker 1: Twenty four hours later, they could be cremated or already underground.
Speaker 6: Imaginely weren't then you got cremated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just insane. It's just insane. So after that happened,
Speaker 1: they increased the period because it was a national scandal.
Speaker 1: So they increased the period because the guy suffered. All
Speaker 1: the coffin was really all marked and so on. So
Speaker 1: it can happen. People can be declared dead and they
Speaker 1: wake up four or five days later.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was things I even mentioned in there, how
Speaker 6: like people were known for that that would happen. Sometimes
Speaker 6: you'd even see that they'd start eating their arms or shit. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so they thought like that as a vampire or something,
Speaker 6: because you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, the books that I have on the current schools
Speaker 1: and churches of vampires, they all try to focus people
Speaker 1: into psychic vampires yea, and consensual so they will try
Speaker 1: to get you two or three followers and they allow
Speaker 1: you to suck that energy. But again, is a self
Speaker 1: actuation thing because you believe you want a vampire. There's
Speaker 1: nothing in there to tell you that you actually are one.
Speaker 6: That's a good point. I'm glad you brought this up.
Speaker 6: There was even something I mentioned that in some area
Speaker 6: they believe that during like if it wanted to come
Speaker 6: to you into your house, it would turn into I
Speaker 6: don't know, if it was like a needle, a hay
Speaker 6: or a feather and just go through your doorknob. So
Speaker 6: I'm like, so, where is the permission this one needs? Yes,
Speaker 6: come on, you know it's till looks like during the day,
Speaker 6: the guy has nose with the sun and it just
Speaker 6: goes right through your key hole. This guy, this guy
Speaker 6: must be top talk.
Speaker 1: So I think the problem with the sun is more
Speaker 1: like a folklore than actual actual lore among among people
Speaker 1: that believe they are vampires. Although if you relate and
Speaker 1: you study this for sure an your paper, the condition
Speaker 1: that makes you iron deficient also makes you sensitive to
Speaker 1: the sun. So these people that drink blood to get
Speaker 1: the iron from others people's right, because in these books
Speaker 1: they also speak of if you want to actually drink blood,
Speaker 1: also have people that will give it to you freely, right,
Speaker 1: And they and they feed out of this of the
Speaker 1: blood and they can regain the iron that their body
Speaker 1: is not able to produce, and that also gives them
Speaker 1: the sensibility to the sun. So I think at a
Speaker 1: certain point that people join one and one and thought
Speaker 1: it was all of them were incapable of being in
Speaker 1: the sun, which it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 6: Wow, right, Yeah, that's really the only thing I think
Speaker 6: you really even absorb if you drink blood is the
Speaker 6: iron in the iron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems kind of archetypal.
Speaker 6: That's what I think. It's more of a story of
Speaker 6: somebody who actually had a magical experience and thought.
Speaker 1: Look of the many special people that I met in
Speaker 1: my journey, there is this fellow, this doctor is all
Speaker 1: eighty something years old, and he was talking about this
Speaker 1: ritual where they kill the bull when you're baptized as
Speaker 1: a soldier, and you were placed beneath the altar, and
Speaker 1: when they slaughtered the throat of the world, you were
Speaker 1: best in the.
Speaker 3: Bull's blood, right torribolium.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that gave you a sensation of like cocaine
Speaker 1: almost because they would drink that and they'll feel that
Speaker 1: they are invincible, all covered in the bulls water or
Speaker 1: the blood of the bull. So the blood has been
Speaker 1: in these rituals for a long time, and I think
Speaker 1: that vampires are just a variant of the deviant. They
Speaker 1: what they considered the deviant because they were independent. They
Speaker 1: didn't serve anyone but themselves and their interests.
Speaker 3: That was all of the priests in Rome. They had
Speaker 3: to go through that. So even the priestesses too, they
Speaker 3: would go through the Toro volume and that was part
Speaker 3: of their sarcrificial thing going on. That was involved with
Speaker 3: a lot of the Etruscan stuff. So the trusts were
Speaker 3: really big in a blood ritual. They were weird.
Speaker 2: Were weird.
Speaker 3: The Etruscans were like ten times worse.
Speaker 1: And let's not forget that the now is now a king,
Speaker 1: right Charles, he is so Vlad the implater, the Impaler
Speaker 1: is his grandfather, aren't you knew that?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: So, I don't know how to say it properly in English.
Speaker 1: So it's it's grandfather and aunt, his grandfather's his grandfather's
Speaker 1: sister probably so his of his family, right two general
Speaker 1: two or three or four generations back or whatever. So
Speaker 1: he's hiss of the family. And he says it openly.
Speaker 1: So I didn't cut this and someone saying it. I
Speaker 1: caught you speaking about it on thinking about it, right, So,
Speaker 1: because then let's not forget that they were Germans. They
Speaker 1: changed the name to Windsors because of the World War,
Speaker 1: and they didn't want to be connected to that because
Speaker 1: they replaced the English bloodline with the German bloodline because
Speaker 1: there was no successor, so they moved from Germany into there.
Speaker 1: There actually Germans, I can't remember their actual family name,
Speaker 1: but they change it to Windsor after they go into
Speaker 1: into England.
Speaker 3: That's why they see Cobert and Gotha, Saxe, Coburg, gothers.
Speaker 1: So I think that even English people don't don't know
Speaker 1: that their leaders, their king is German family, not British family,
Speaker 1: because they keep the bloodline, so he's still German, right.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's a very interesting thing because Vladim
Speaker 3: Palo was a national hero. I mean, he's still revered
Speaker 3: as one of the like these Founding Father characters, and
Speaker 3: that that war that he had against the Turks, he
Speaker 3: was badly outnumbered and nobody wanted to give him support
Speaker 3: and he basically was the first terrorist warlord. And so
Speaker 3: his whole style and tactics were you know, almost revolutionary
Speaker 3: for the time and doing all that psychological ship by
Speaker 3: having a very brutal it was very brutal, but you know,
Speaker 3: he's going up against an army that was you know,
Speaker 3: outnumbering had to one, and he was still highly effective.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you have to keep in mind that you
Speaker 1: have an army coming into his territory and go through
Speaker 1: these fields of impaled people like it's it's it's logical
Speaker 1: that someone started calling him something like a vampire because
Speaker 1: it was gory and and death in the most horrific way.
Speaker 1: Because it took hours to die because they stuck you
Speaker 1: from your scrutum and out of your neck right and
Speaker 1: then they raised you and stick the thing into the ground.
Speaker 1: It took tu three hours to die in that position.
Speaker 1: Put waights around your rest if they liked you, Nicki's
Speaker 1: in shock.
Speaker 6: Fuck.
Speaker 3: If they didn't like you, they wouldn't put me waits
Speaker 3: around your rest in your feet, but let it take
Speaker 3: a lot longer, horrific, dude. But also the terrain in
Speaker 3: uh Wallachia where he was at, was just absolutely brutal
Speaker 3: cliff faces everywhere. So the style of warfare that they
Speaker 3: were engaged in was mostly like seeded warfare and they
Speaker 3: were just trying to starve each other out and all
Speaker 3: the rest of this stuff. So having them have to
Speaker 3: fight throughout these bodies that are you know, basically the
Speaker 3: most horrific thing you've ever seen is just not going
Speaker 3: to make a very happy soldier. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be mentally destruct to say the least. Right,
Speaker 1: what are we facing all? What kind of animals are
Speaker 1: these people? Absolutely cruel and vicious, you know is but yeah,
Speaker 1: you could see where the.
Speaker 3: Whole New World Order gets its motivation. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: we just poison everybody just a little bit at a time,
Speaker 3: over generations and see what happens. You know, maybe we'll
Speaker 3: poison their food. It's brutal. Like the people who think
Speaker 3: this way are just absolute scumback, they're the scariest people
Speaker 3: throughout all of history, all the blood lines mixed together.
Speaker 1: When your scientist comes to you and say, look, we
Speaker 1: just found out that floor kills brain cells, so I
Speaker 1: think we should remove it. Remove it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: put it in the water of the system. So they
Speaker 1: get dumb, and dumb people are very quicker. So that's
Speaker 1: the kind of mentality we had from the people ruling
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 3: Viciously competitive against everybody, including us. You know, they're competing
Speaker 3: against us on some level, so they want to make
Speaker 3: us stupid and everything else and we're we're kind of
Speaker 3: the last target because they've brought out of stuff to
Speaker 3: do overseas, they're out of money. Sell now, now's the
Speaker 3: time to really attack us mentally.
Speaker 1: It doesn't forget. Don't forget the words that I got
Speaker 1: from the culture representative in Portugal, from the government, that
Speaker 1: is their final. After I've been rejected so many times
Speaker 1: in different places, I finally got to the ultimate incidence
Speaker 1: to see if I was approved in my project, and
Speaker 1: she told me, you have to understand it. Our interests
Speaker 1: is not to increase the population's knowledge, but to decrease it.
Speaker 1: She's and the same person would come, by chance, was
Speaker 1: the one who gave the speech when my two my
Speaker 1: twins changed school and went to the secondary. She was
Speaker 1: the one giving the speech of how important is education
Speaker 1: culture for creating the world of tomorrow. That's the same person. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what more can I tell you?
Speaker 3: The bureaucracy makes these evil people think that they can
Speaker 3: just brainwash everybody.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about, But they are not.
Speaker 1: That's secretives about their actions.
Speaker 3: They don't need it.
Speaker 2: In relation to actual like the biological parasitism that is
Speaker 2: the vampire idea and the psychic energetic Paris Paris setism
Speaker 2: that there is in that the permission idea is almost
Speaker 2: like if you're weak, because in nature, you like the
Speaker 2: permission you give for an animal to attack you, is
Speaker 2: that you're you're weak, you're not grounded. Same thing with
Speaker 2: the psychic attacks. When you're not grounded, they don't they
Speaker 2: ain't going to ask you like can I come in?
Speaker 2: The permission I think is are you open? Right? Are
Speaker 2: you energetically weak? And to that point, with the political
Speaker 2: attacks that we get usually from internal institutions, not external ones,
Speaker 2: it's the permission is a toleration. How much we will
Speaker 2: tolerate is how much we give the permission to these
Speaker 2: institutions to dose us with floriad and so on and
Speaker 2: so forth. Right, So it's like toleration and permission and
Speaker 2: weakness is kind of like like when we stand up
Speaker 2: in a unity and formation against uh, you know, tolerating immorality,
Speaker 2: things shift.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. But in terms of individuals, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: Nick found this in his studies, is that there are
Speaker 1: people that are naturally inclined to drain others energetically. So
Speaker 1: how many times we heard about saying I like that guy,
Speaker 1: but I came completely drained when I'm so and these
Speaker 1: people are not making on purpose, or most of them aren't,
Speaker 1: but even even in couples, that one of them feels
Speaker 1: completely drained. Right, because there's people that are actually inclined.
Speaker 1: Instead of having a uniform field, they constantly feed of
Speaker 1: all these people's fields, So they put out people make
Speaker 1: them weaker or drain or headaches or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it. It happens that there are people that
Speaker 1: are naturally inclined to drain other people's energy. Did you
Speaker 1: find that, nick on your studies?
Speaker 6: That? I mean that, I mean, I know about just
Speaker 6: the general anyway, but again I didn't go from that angle.
Speaker 6: I went from just the original bloodsucking, that whole vampire thing.
Speaker 6: But I mean no, I mean I've just I myself,
Speaker 6: I've probably done that to people, and I've had people
Speaker 6: do it to me. I mean, it's just quite obvious
Speaker 6: that shit happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes people feed of each other, Yes, for
Speaker 1: instant friendships or loves that they constantly are changing their
Speaker 1: energy and that makes them stronger instead of weaker. It
Speaker 1: gives them the sort of a connection. Yes, In the essence,
Speaker 1: I think it's all a matter of frequency. It just
Speaker 1: depends on that.
Speaker 6: One other thing. I didn't want to I'll just mention
Speaker 6: I wasn't gonna say it before because I was like,
Speaker 6: I'll just leave it for the show. But it doesn't matter. Uh,
Speaker 6: you were talking about the blood drinking in the Iron.
Speaker 6: The blood drinking was even a fucking that was even
Speaker 6: a way of getting rid of TV around the same
Speaker 6: time people were freaking out about fucking vampires. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yo,
Speaker 6: you'd have women lining up to drink pigs blood, pigs
Speaker 6: blood in eighteen seventies thinking that she was going to
Speaker 6: stop them from getting fucking TV. Heah, man, Even drinking
Speaker 6: the blood was a way of curing TV. But somehow
Speaker 6: now vampires.
Speaker 1: Well, I like to think that considering who foopolarized, it
Speaker 1: was Bram Stoker and his connections to special in high
Speaker 1: echelon groups, he probably knew something we don't at at
Speaker 1: the beginning of our understanding of the hour.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course he was out of the game.
Speaker 1: There there is some half truth there or or half flies.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, But I think you are absolutely right
Speaker 1: because but the fact is that has to have a source.
Speaker 1: All of that fear has a source that is not
Speaker 1: necessarily the disease, but has some folklore that led them
Speaker 1: to that conclusion. Oh, that guide happens because that guy
Speaker 1: has this condition. The idea of that condition had to
Speaker 1: come for some place like tubercu losses and rabies that
Speaker 1: you're talking. They associated with some folklore that probably was
Speaker 1: half known at that time.
Speaker 3: Well, to get into bram Stoker a little bit, he
Speaker 3: was kind of doing Parachristian mythology. So you know, Dracula
Speaker 3: had to stay out of hell. So this is how
Speaker 3: he survived is drinking the blood of the living. So
Speaker 3: he didn't want to have his soul go to Hell,
Speaker 3: so he figured out a way to stay alive using
Speaker 3: living other people. So well, I.
Speaker 1: Find it more interesting because he refused to die, which
Speaker 1: to me is a very interesting concept. It's like getting
Speaker 1: out of the will of time. And basically it falls
Speaker 1: into the biology of belief and again self actuation, because
Speaker 1: if you believe you can constantly resonate yourself, even if
Speaker 1: you need to dig someone's blood to do it, it's
Speaker 1: still a process of self actuation. So and considering this
Speaker 1: is a bias suit that will do whatever you believe
Speaker 1: it will do, the healing or ever it can be
Speaker 1: achieved through real self actuation if you actually believe in
Speaker 1: it right, and then it will becomes a cult because
Speaker 1: other people realize it can happen and helps them to
Speaker 1: create that self actualization to themselves.
Speaker 3: You mean like that other will Leedgie and noble, you know,
Speaker 3: or is a bit battery for instance, as she was
Speaker 3: bathing in the blood of these virgins that she would
Speaker 3: take from town, yeah.
Speaker 1: To give them beauty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, somebody somebody was telling me there it did.
Speaker 6: It wasn't show why I didn't include that in my
Speaker 6: Vampire Lord And I was like, the bitch didn't die
Speaker 6: first again, you have to die.
Speaker 1: Well immortal, then you don't have to die, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean that's the whole thing behind
Speaker 6: I mean, these people are getting exhoomed. They're supposed to
Speaker 6: be dead. She never died, bitch, never in a box.
Speaker 6: It's not a vampire in that sense.
Speaker 1: In that sense, Yeah, that's an interesting concept because it is.
Speaker 6: That's the part of most of.
Speaker 1: Them that probably believe themselves vampires have never died, and
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons they are considered to be.
Speaker 1: But you could say that since Germain was taught in
Speaker 1: the art of becoming a vampire, right.
Speaker 6: See him, I would say, why not be closer to
Speaker 6: a real one than.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you see the Vampire Diary, the one
Speaker 1: with Tom Cruise, right, you were shown that vampires were
Speaker 1: very charismatic people, very knowledgeable, They are very intelligent. So
Speaker 1: it's it's like the old saying that says the devil
Speaker 1: is not wise because it's the devil. The devil is
Speaker 1: wise because it's very old, right, so we learned the
Speaker 1: beginning of time. It's so Satan is probably the first
Speaker 1: vampire in history because it's the first one not to die, right,
Speaker 1: I like that? Oh fucking Satan.
Speaker 2: Goddamn So.
Speaker 1: Like that. I think that's the base of the Luciferian
Speaker 1: real religion, is the fact that they're looking for immortality
Speaker 1: the same way he did. Well, if you.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't have brought brought it it out a little bit
Speaker 3: more like if you think about the gods before the Bible,
Speaker 3: these immortal creatures that had these special powers, they were
Speaker 3: almost more like vampires than what we think of with
Speaker 3: the philosophical platonic god.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, they are not immortal. They still die if injured. Back,
Speaker 1: not all of them, but yes, some of them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a big part of it.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's I even put that out with the gods,
Speaker 6: like going to the younger world and coming back. I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know, just kind of have almost a whole vampire
Speaker 6: ship there. Again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, when I said that you can die, it's injured,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying from natural causes. They can go in
Speaker 1: battle and be killed and stay that right, but they
Speaker 1: can come back from small injuries or a little bit
Speaker 1: like Wolverine if you want to. Yeah, So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not about a special metaphysical thing, but it's more
Speaker 1: like a self actuation or healing body healing thing that
Speaker 1: keeps regenerating yourselves, right, like you instruct your own body
Speaker 1: constantly not to go old or to regenerate or stay
Speaker 1: in a certain age. So like a Eucharist of sorts. Yes,
Speaker 1: come on, I had to go there. So vamporism can
Speaker 1: be applied much more widely than just to the narrow
Speaker 1: that Brent Stoker all made us look into.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean about half Truce, because I think
Speaker 1: it's this is a much broader subject than just focused
Speaker 1: to a creature that raises from a coffin and brings
Speaker 1: people's blood. That's a simplifying version and the folklore associated
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 6: So I even think I covered like one thing called
Speaker 6: the oopry or whatever, it's very close to vampire. Like
Speaker 6: that wasn't sucking your blood. It was an energetic one,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like even most of like
Speaker 6: I think, like what you're getting at, I mean, it
Speaker 6: leaves out the whole energetic sense, which is where I
Speaker 6: think a lot of that's kind of explained with the
Speaker 6: older gods and stuff.
Speaker 1: Sure, and Nick supporting your thesis, you have the case
Speaker 1: of this bat that has those prumanine teas and causes
Speaker 1: rabies very often, right, So that's the the associations of
Speaker 1: oh this this this guy is biting other people.
Speaker 6: But I didn't even go into the whole bad things
Speaker 6: that it would have made. It look like I was
Speaker 6: really laid into it. But like even the whole thing,
Speaker 6: it's like, oh, this motherfucker turns into a bat and
Speaker 6: then back into a person.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but the bat comes from that specific.
Speaker 6: With the raves and everything. Yeah, maybe I should I
Speaker 6: should edited a five minute edit on that.
Speaker 3: You got me thinking that babies.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I never even realized the whole raveis and bad thing,
Speaker 6: but I know, and COVID, Fuck yo, what was they
Speaker 6: say that people were thinking about. The fuckers were flaking
Speaker 6: and you're gonna get fucking sick, bro the fuck same ship.
Speaker 6: As I was doing it, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 6: sounds like COVID.
Speaker 3: It's so strange.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like on both sides the ship, people thought they
Speaker 6: had to do fucking stay alive or not catch something.
Speaker 6: On both sides.
Speaker 3: If you really branch out with all of the vampire
Speaker 3: symbolism that you can imagine, it almost permeates every layer
Speaker 3: of society, just just a little.
Speaker 6: Bit, well, a lot of little stories probably, do you know,
Speaker 6: even just looking at les, I'm sure see I was
Speaker 6: even thinking about that.
Speaker 1: But well, corruption, corruption feeds itself from the public, so
Speaker 1: it's a kind of empiism itself.
Speaker 3: Think about Think about when you're at a haunted house, right,
Speaker 3: you get all of these batteries that drained out immediately. Well,
Speaker 3: people experience that effect too. You could be walking through
Speaker 3: one of these places and then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you get hit and you lose all of your energy.
Speaker 3: You just feel like you need to pass out.
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you a very curious saying, probably
Speaker 1: to when the show that one of the places that
Speaker 1: I can say what I was. When I was in
Speaker 1: my trip, I visit a place where they say that
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch uses a portal to leave that area of
Speaker 1: the country, right, And I was. I was right in
Speaker 1: the middle of the portal, and I filmed all around me.
Speaker 1: I took pictures, and then I noticed there is this
Speaker 1: megalist that is stumbled instead of being erected. And I
Speaker 1: went there. There's a hole so that it was very
Speaker 1: recently removed, and there is no more rope marks on
Speaker 1: the megalids, there is no machinery marks on the mag
Speaker 1: that all of the moss is intact, and it's not
Speaker 1: tumbled from the hole, is moved like two feet away
Speaker 1: from the hole, like it was lifted in the air
Speaker 1: by magic and softly placed on earth. Right. And I
Speaker 1: asked the guy that took us there, do you know
Speaker 1: if the megalid that the stone that now is stumbled
Speaker 1: was erected. Yeah, it was erected. So apparently they activate
Speaker 1: and they activate this portal by placing the megalith in
Speaker 1: place or taking it out of the place, right, Because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of folklore in that area of even
Speaker 1: animals going through the point disappearing, right, so stone key, yeah,
Speaker 1: a stone key. And I found it interesting that they
Speaker 1: say that the sasquat doesn't stay in that area for
Speaker 1: the winter. They move into another place, and that's how
Speaker 1: they move from there, they go through the portal.
Speaker 2: How deep it was the hole? Sorry, how deep is
Speaker 2: the hole?
Speaker 1: Probably two to three feet round the sape of the
Speaker 1: exact same shade of the of the monolith by its space.
Speaker 1: So I didn't felt anything. I was right in the
Speaker 1: middle of it and has no power at all. There
Speaker 1: was another place near it that has this clearly artificially
Speaker 1: placed triangular stone, and there the power was very It's
Speaker 1: like goosebumps without without your skin reacting, you get kind
Speaker 1: of numbin and you feel it coming from your knees,
Speaker 1: from your ankles and knees and going up. Even the
Speaker 1: camera guy had an experience there. He was he was
Speaker 1: not a believer, but he went out of there as
Speaker 1: a believer, even had loss of time and space. I
Speaker 1: had to call him in the distance and we are
Speaker 1: just incomplete visible of one another, and it was completely lost.
Speaker 1: When he came out of there. He didn't know where
Speaker 1: it was or so, yeah, he did changes the electromagnetic field,
Speaker 1: he had a device to measure it, and the compass
Speaker 1: doesn't work there. And in fact, the guy tried to
Speaker 1: fight a drone through the through the through the portal
Speaker 1: and the battery was already low, but it was supposed
Speaker 1: to last for much longer, and as soon as he
Speaker 1: goes into close of it, it just died. That the
Speaker 1: the controller died, so he couldn't he couldn't film there, right,
Speaker 1: So all of that was interesting. But this this, all
Speaker 1: of what I meant is all of this folklore and
Speaker 1: beliefs and are they real or not. They all feed
Speaker 1: into things like the vampirism in this case where they
Speaker 1: had this diseases, they had this people that they believe
Speaker 1: were coming out of of their deathbeds and raising and
Speaker 1: attacking others. It's all related with that, with the bats,
Speaker 1: with the disease, with the folklore. There is some truth
Speaker 1: in it, but to what I at least hard to understand.
Speaker 3: Well, with that, I'd like to end with a Bible
Speaker 3: verse if you don't mind. Oh, sure, So this was
Speaker 3: one I found recently. You might like this. This was
Speaker 3: a Matthew fifteen, Hold on, I'm almost there. Nope, there
Speaker 3: it is all right, Matthew twenty seven fifty two. The
Speaker 3: tombs were also opened, and many bodies of the saints
Speaker 3: who had fallen asleep were raised and coming out of
Speaker 3: the tombs. After his resurrection, they went to the Holy
Speaker 3: City and appeared to many. So this is Matthew twenty seven,
Speaker 3: fifty two and fifty three. Somehow there was a zombie
Speaker 3: revival took place, and they all went into town.
Speaker 1: And they all went in town.
Speaker 3: Right, But I guess nobody decided to record that except
Speaker 3: for this guy.
Speaker 1: Guy, I think we should start. The Bible is very
Speaker 1: much quoted. But how about the other almost one hundred
Speaker 1: books that are not included in the Bible. We start
Speaker 1: coding from those books because the perspectives are sometimes very
Speaker 1: different from what you get from this only Gospels alone.
Speaker 1: We have missing apostles. Why why you are with you
Speaker 1: reading what they what they wrote, but it is so
Speaker 1: wrong about what they wrote that they're not included in
Speaker 1: the Bible. So they they maybe they in the same
Speaker 1: place at the same time.
Speaker 3: Maybe they have more zombie apocalypses these other books. All right, guys, well,
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