Speaker 1: Seven oh six fifty five Karised Talk station. Hope you
Speaker 1: have an happy Monday, as is always the case. Former
Speaker 1: Vice Mayor of the City of Cincinnati, Christopher Smithman with
Speaker 1: an advanced morning to me over the weekend via text. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's really ginned up and fired up and ready to
Speaker 1: launch this morning in between now and then, And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what he's going to talk about, but something
Speaker 1: tells me it may be the violence going on in
Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati. Joining the program this morning, Welcome back, Fokey,
Speaker 1: President the Federal Order Police Chapter sixty nine for the
Speaker 1: Sincinni Police Department. Ken cober Or, President, Welcome back, Ken.
Speaker 1: It's always great to have you on the program.
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Do you start out this morning? One thirty this morning,
Speaker 1: Hutchins Avenue, Reading Road to abdel We have someone killed
Speaker 1: in a shooting going back, just looking at the headlines.
Speaker 1: Two teens injured in a West End shooting happened on
Speaker 1: Sunday morning. Three people hospitalized after a shooting near the
Speaker 1: banks happened on Saturday morning. Police investigating incident believed to
Speaker 1: involve shots fired at officers in Westwood happened Saturday night,
Speaker 1: got a winon hill shooting police investigating that was happened
Speaker 1: Saturday night as well. I mean, the list is almost endless,
Speaker 1: and it seems to be getting worse. Ken Cobert, your reaction,
Speaker 1: and plus the list that Joe Strecker compared he got
Speaker 1: from the since A Police department showing all of the assaults, thefts,
Speaker 1: and other arrests that happened, mostly like in the central
Speaker 1: business district of Downtown over the past several days leading
Speaker 1: up to the fourth of July holiday weekend. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, Ken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, let's not forget too On fourth
Speaker 2: of July, we had a two police officers that were
Speaker 2: shot at that after watching the video, one of them
Speaker 2: especially is absolutely lucky to be alive. I mean, by
Speaker 2: the grace of God, he didn't get hit by some day.
Speaker 2: It was almost almost point blank range. Wow.
Speaker 1: And where did that happen?
Speaker 2: That was on Western Norman Boulevard, an apartment complex, investigating
Speaker 2: a US passing complaint. Oh my god, violent, violent weekend.
Speaker 2: I talked to two ulcers yesterday, both of them been
Speaker 2: on more than twenty years. They said this weekend has
Speaker 2: been the worst weekend they've worked in their careers, the violence,
Speaker 2: the droves of kids unsupervised, you know, just creating absolute mayhem.
Speaker 2: At one point would have been Sunday morning, the District
Speaker 2: four was calling for standby cars meeting. They needed more
Speaker 2: cars to help them because nearly every third shift car
Speaker 2: was at the jail with the prisoner.
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, and you're short on numbers too. And
Speaker 1: it can't be understated that we don't have enough police
Speaker 1: officers out there. And the police officers that are out
Speaker 1: there are working substantial overtime hours. So what would you expect.
Speaker 1: Jostrecker told me the Indianapolis had a violent weekend and
Speaker 1: the mayor there immediately instituted a curfew.
Speaker 2: We do it.
Speaker 1: We talked about this before. There is a curfew, is
Speaker 1: there not for young people in downtown Cincinnati, Ken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are absolutely a curfew. And like I said,
Speaker 2: using District four as an example, you know that they
Speaker 2: can't arrest their way out of this problem when you
Speaker 2: have nine or ten cops that are encountering three hundred juveniles. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's only so much that you can do, you know.
Speaker 2: It's just the violence is absolutely just out of control
Speaker 2: in the city. Like I said, you use Indianapolis as
Speaker 2: another example. You know, they had seven people shot and
Speaker 2: two murdered in one incident. You know, homicide after homicide
Speaker 2: after homicide in Cincinnati. This stuff is just out of control.
Speaker 1: Well, if you could have your way, I mean, what
Speaker 1: do we have by way of solutions that are out there?
Speaker 1: I mean, if enforcing the curfew, could we hold parents accountable?
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to enforce the curfew, bring the
Speaker 1: kid in front of some judicial authority, obviously to get
Speaker 1: their parents involved. And then why did you let your
Speaker 1: kid out pass curfew hours? And maybe get some answers
Speaker 1: from parents who maybe absent here just really don't care.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lord Almighty, I consider my life growing up.
Speaker 1: My folks need to know where I was all the time.
Speaker 1: And you know, you need to ask permission to be
Speaker 1: out past a certain curfew hour. And if you didn't
Speaker 1: ask for mission, you're going to get in a world
Speaker 1: to hurt when you finally got home. I mean that
Speaker 1: kept me out of trouble for the most part anyway.
Speaker 2: Sure, but you know it's a good point bringing up
Speaker 2: the judicial system. I know, well, the juveniles I got
Speaker 2: arrested at Red Went and Blue Ash, you know, Friday
Speaker 2: night from throwing fireworks in a crowd of people.
Speaker 1: The video it's so disturbing.
Speaker 2: Right, was arrested Saturday morning at juvenile court. A magistrate
Speaker 2: dismissed the charges. This is the This is part of
Speaker 2: the problem that we're dealing with is we can't arrest
Speaker 2: our way out of this problem. And when you do
Speaker 2: make arrest, you have magistrates in the juvenile court system
Speaker 2: that just decided that I don't like this charge, so
Speaker 2: they dismiss it. So, you know, only one part of
Speaker 2: the justice system seems to be working right now, and
Speaker 2: that's never going to fix things. Now.
Speaker 1: We had a prosecutor there willing to move forward and
Speaker 1: prosecute the charges, and yet the judge just said, no, no,
Speaker 1: exercising my discretion. I'm just checking this case out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I my understanding. I believe the prosecutor's office is
Speaker 2: likely going to appeal this decision. Yeah, But like I said,
Speaker 2: you have kids that get arrested, the police do the
Speaker 2: right thing, only for them to be let back out.
Speaker 2: It's no wonder that we're having a problem with all
Speaker 2: these juveniles, not only here in Hamilton County, but across
Speaker 2: the country because this is a problem everywhere in every
Speaker 2: major city.
Speaker 1: Well, and if I was in Mayor Aftab Purvoll's place
Speaker 1: or as one of the council members, I would out
Speaker 1: loud say something about that, say listen. In order to
Speaker 1: bring about some safety and some comfort for the citizens
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati and some relief from this epic youth violence problem.
Speaker 1: I am calling upon magistrates and everybody involved in the
Speaker 1: judicial system, from prosecutors through the judges on all levels,
Speaker 1: to start taking these crimes seriously and not throwing them out.
Speaker 1: The silence from the council and elected officials, including the
Speaker 1: mayor is deafening, is it not, Ken?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely. I mean said, not only have
Speaker 2: you had all this violence, you had two give police
Speaker 2: officers shot at back to back days. Yeah. Absolutely, nothing
Speaker 2: from elected officials. Nothing.
Speaker 1: That's heartbreaking, Ken, it really is, you feel, I mean,
Speaker 1: we all feel so let down about it. It's almost
Speaker 1: it's it's tacit approval. If they're not out loud screaming
Speaker 1: about the violence and demanding answers and demanding accountability and
Speaker 1: demanding prosecutions, then they're silence. I think shows support indirect
Speaker 1: or tasked support for the violence that's going on. In
Speaker 1: other words, kids, keep it up because nothing is going
Speaker 1: to happen to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be quite honest, the cops are fed
Speaker 2: up with it. They're done with it. You know, the
Speaker 2: every weekend you have cops working Friday and Saturday nights
Speaker 2: with SWAT, CDRT. You're working over time. It's going to
Speaker 2: come to a breaking point where cops are just going
Speaker 2: to say, I'm not doing it anymore. I'm wasting my time,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it anymore. And then what's That's when
Speaker 2: that's when things are really going to get bad. As
Speaker 2: if it's not bad enough already.
Speaker 1: Are the number of officers planning on retiring or taking
Speaker 1: early retirement or just basically dropping out of law enforcement?
Speaker 1: Do you get any indications those numbers are going up
Speaker 1: right now? Are they getting warse sure?
Speaker 2: I mean it's weekly. We're losing people weekly. That just
Speaker 2: that the people that weren't even really on the radar,
Speaker 2: if you will, of Hey, I'm going to retire. I
Speaker 2: got a classmate of mine that just said I'm out,
Speaker 2: I'm done, and he's yeah, I think the end of
Speaker 2: this month, he's done. He's not staying for the you know,
Speaker 2: the drop program. He's like I've had enough on out.
Speaker 1: Well, and you know, in terms of lateral hires, and
Speaker 1: I know the Council has taken steps to try to
Speaker 1: bring more lateral hires and officers that have experienced some
Speaker 1: other law enforcement. It's a shorter window of training, not
Speaker 1: like a brand new cadet class, and those are in
Speaker 1: line too. But I mean, if it's bad, that bad
Speaker 1: morale wise, and from an officer considering employment of the
Speaker 1: insane Police Department, here's about this, Like wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out there putting my life on the line,
Speaker 1: spinning my wheels, and they're going to get just freed
Speaker 1: by the justice system because well the magistrates, you don't
Speaker 1: think it's a legitimate charge. What's the point I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in with a bad taste in my
Speaker 1: mouth as a potential employee.
Speaker 2: Well, because it's going on in every department around this country,
Speaker 2: to be quite honest. So I think they're they're looking
Speaker 2: at it as the financial benefit of coming here, because
Speaker 2: you're going to do pretty well. I mean, over time
Speaker 2: is so readily available, you can make as much money
Speaker 2: as you want. And I think that's what a lot
Speaker 2: of officers are going to be coming here.
Speaker 1: For well, at least, I guess that's one bright spot
Speaker 1: in the whole equation. We have officers that are still
Speaker 1: willing to work for this insane police department. But it's real,
Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking to know that this is happening broadly and
Speaker 1: across our country. Of course, I can only blame the
Speaker 1: Democrats for their anti police policies, and of course all
Speaker 1: the liberal prosecutors and liberal judges that they put in
Speaker 1: place in these various blue cities. They're getting what they're
Speaker 1: asking for, it seems, Ken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely disgusting that you don't have
Speaker 2: elected officials speaking out against his violence. That you're not
Speaker 2: going to judges saying hold these people accountable, just not occurring,
Speaker 2: and that's's why we're in the position that we're in. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, not a pretty picture you're painting today, at Ken Kober.
Speaker 1: But at least we get to talk about it and
Speaker 1: raise everybody's awareness to it, and maybe we can start
Speaker 1: making demands on our elected officials, like threaten them with
Speaker 1: being chucked out of office in November. There's an option,
Speaker 1: Ken Cobert, God bless you and each and ever remember
Speaker 1: the police department We obviously appreciate how tough it is
Speaker 1: to do your job every day, and I'm a little
Speaker 1: disappointed that so many more are retiring. But you know what,
Speaker 1: it doesn't shock me in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: given this the current climate. God bless you man. Keep
Speaker 1: up the great work, and you're always have a venue
Speaker 1: here to talk about what's going on.
Speaker 2: Sure, thanks for having me, Brian.
Speaker 1: Thanks Ken, always a pleasure. Christopher Smithman up next. Yeah,
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