WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:17.480 November fourteen, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing 2 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:22.600 we call a calendar, this the o'celly effect on a Thursday. Yes, indeed, 3 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:25.199 I am live. But of course, if you're not hearing 4 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:28.679 me just after about seven minutes after eight pm Eastern 5 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:31.440 here and what we used to call the United States, 6 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.000 you know that place. If you're not hearing me right 7 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.920 then and there, then you're hearing the podcast. Welcome to 8 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.920 the show, one way or another. But if you do 9 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:41.679 want to hear us live, you can just catch us 10 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:44.840 through your radio apps at oelly dot com radio and 11 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.719 all that good stuff. But of course the podcast is 12 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:51.920 available most places that podcasts are available, although I think 13 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:55.880 I've been knocked down off of YouTube again. But anyway, 14 00:00:56.119 --> 00:01:00.119 it is what it is, and welcome to it. I've 15 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:03.439 only gonna keep talking about JFK at least tonight, and 16 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.359 god knows what will happen on the open mic night tomorrow, 17 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.319 but I have a feeling it'll come up again. Why, well, 18 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.959 you know what, I'm about a week away from when 19 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:15.200 I got to leave. I'll be on the road going 20 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.040 to the Lancer conference. Okay, so I'll be there and 21 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.640 I'm hoping some of you will join me. Not too 22 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.519 many people have used the coupon code. If you go 23 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.920 to Assassination Conference dot com. You can attend virtually or 24 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.359 in person pay over there, but you can get ten 25 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:35.319 percent off with the code Ocelly ten. All right, so 26 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.760 you do that ten percent off. Not a bad deal, 27 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:42.760 virtual ticket or in person. I will be in person 28 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:46.920 the MC of the event, so to speak. Anyway, one 29 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.120 of the people I'm gonna be introducing is on with 30 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:52.840 me tonight. Now. We spoke to Larry Hancock on Tuesday 31 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.840 and definitely had fun talking about the past. But you 32 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:59.640 know this guy's name. I've heard quite a bit from 33 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:03.239 other people lately. Although I don't have the ability to 34 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:07.920 track everybody's work on the case. Okay, it's just not possible, 35 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:13.520 but some of my friends kept mentioning this guy, Matt Doalthit. Now. 36 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:15.439 I don't know too much about him, but if you 37 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.120 go in the live chat room at ocelly dot com, 38 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.840 you'll see Facebook a couple of Facebook groups that I 39 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.919 think are his or he's involved with. Also his YouTube 40 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:29.439 channel and he's written articles for Kennedy's and King. You 41 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.599 know that used to be the sitco website. You know 42 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:36.599 Diugenio's hub over there, so he's written articles over there, 43 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.560 which means he had to take his information seriously and 44 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.159 offers something of interest. And he's got a YouTube channel 45 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.800 and he does the Facebook group things and oh yeah, 46 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.400 he's going to be presenting at the Lancer conference. So 47 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:56.280 what can I say? Matt Douthitt d O U T 48 00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:00.960 H I t okay. Unusual name, and I have a 49 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:04.960 feeling he's got some unusual things to say, maybe about 50 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.240 a topic that I know has been covered quite often. 51 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:10.919 But you know what, I'm not actually sure what his 52 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.360 presentation is about. I know what he's got up on 53 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:17.080 YouTube again, I know a little bit about what's being 54 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.000 discussed on Facebook. One of those groups I think has 55 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.520 to do with the Tippet shooting, and the other one is, 56 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:25.879 you know, just one of those JFKs in the search 57 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.280 for the truth kind of things, one of the many 58 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.319 groups that frankly I don't pay as much attention to 59 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:35.000 as I used to because I can't stand Facebook. Matt. 60 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:38.159 But anyway, how are you doing tonight? First of all, 61 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:40.199 and let let's get to know you, because you haven't 62 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:41.080 been on the show before. 63 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.599 I'm doing good check. Thanks for having me, thanks for 64 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:46.039 having me. 65 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:50.080 Yeah, well you were suggested several times. I want you 66 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:50.680 to know that. 67 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.400 You pay each one of those people one hundred dollars. 68 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:59.120 Nice. Well, look, if you're hitting out a hundred dollars bills, 69 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.120 I'll grab mine when I see you in Dallas. But anyway, 70 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:08.199 the thing is, yeah, Jeff, it's I'm trying to joke back. 71 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.759 It's interesting though, because your name keeps coming up. I 72 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.839 have this interesting idea about how you might have come 73 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:18.879 to the case and things like that, based on a 74 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:21.160 couple of things that I've taken a look at that 75 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:25.160 you've done. But why don't you tell us this story? 76 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.560 Why the hell do you care about the Kennedy assassination. 77 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.560 I have this feeling that you weren't born at the 78 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.399 time it occurred. Neither was I by the way, But 79 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.040 you know, I have this feeling that you're younger than 80 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:41.279 I am, And actually I know you're younger than I am, 81 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.000 But you know, tell me about this. How did you 82 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.720 get into the case? Let's start there. 83 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.160 Well, well, first of all, my aunt and uncle saw 84 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.040 the motor case, saw the motorcaid that day. 85 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.680 They didn't see the shooting, but they saw the motor paid. 86 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.560 They saw him about twenty minutes before. 87 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:01.040 And they went they went out. 88 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:05.399 With their school and then when they got back they 89 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.839 got the words. A nun came running in and said, 90 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.079 the President's been shot. So I heard that story when 91 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.720 I was a kid, But really I was into the 92 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.600 Lincoln assassination first when I was in about twelve years old, 93 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:22.160 and I asked my parents, can we go to Fort's 94 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.439 Theater and I was and they were like, yeah, no, 95 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:26.759 but we can take you right down the road to 96 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.639 Galey Plaza. And I was like, oh, okay, Oh, let's 97 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:31.720 just see what this is about. 98 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:32.439 So I went. 99 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:37.519 So they took me there, and you know, and I 100 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:42.199 watched a documentary or two and I wasn't really into it, 101 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.839 but I really got into it on the fiftieth anniversary. 102 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.000 Ah okay, because I was just about to ask you 103 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.279 what year it was that you went to see Daley 104 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:53.519 Plaza because different times, depending on when you went, you 105 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.399 might have encountered different things. And after the fiftieth the 106 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.439 plaza was sort of rehabilitated a bit after the fish fieth, 107 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:03.759 And you know, I'm old enough that the first time 108 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:06.480 I went to Dallas actually the sixth floor museum had 109 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:10.519 not been established yet, and a lot of the people 110 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:14.360 that I know are much older than myself even and 111 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:16.800 you know, it goes even further back to the point 112 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:19.199 where there was a lot of wood missing from the fence. 113 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.240 People kept stealing planks out of the fence, you know, 114 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:26.079 over the years and stuff like that. So what year 115 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.120 did you visit the plaza? When was it that you 116 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:30.399 kind of went, Okay, I guess i'll go see where 117 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:31.279 Kennedy was killed. 118 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.120 Yeah, I think that's like the ninth or tenth, maybe 119 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.639 the eleventh fence since nineteen sixty three. But anyway, it 120 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.680 was two thousand and eight. When I first went there, 121 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.160 I was I was twelve years old. I was born 122 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:50.759 in nineteen ninety six. So yeah, I okay, So yeah, 123 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:54.720 two thousand and eight. And then twenty thirteen I started 124 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.959 looking into it more and I just naturally, naturally believed 125 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.120 the official sorry for about two years, and then in 126 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:04.600 about a year and a half, and then twenty fourteen, 127 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:06.040 twenty fifteen. 128 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:08.879 I found Pat spears website. 129 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.000 He's a wonderful, wonderful researcher and a great friend of mine, 130 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:14.759 and he just had his If you go to his 131 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:20.959 website patspear dot com. It's just a plethora, plethora of information, 132 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:25.959 and he's just a of a researcher and he has 133 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:27.519 so much details. 134 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:31.120 And indeed, indeed, I've had Pat on the show first 135 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:35.120 of all, and I love the video series The Mysterious 136 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.240 Death of Number thirty five. That is one of the 137 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.399 I mean, I actually I'm so happy that I was 138 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.240 able to reacquire a DVD of it not too long ago, 139 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.160 because I loved it, and I remember when he was 140 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.839 creating that set, and I think Pat is one of 141 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:53.639 the most underrated researchers in the community period. You know, 142 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.600 it's amazing the stuff that Pat put together. So I'm 143 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:00.720 really happy to hear a younger person that knows Pat 144 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:03.680 number one and is aware of his work, because a 145 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.079 lot of guys missed things, you know. Anyways, No, Pat, 146 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.120 Pat's great, and I was so happy to even have 147 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.759 him on the show because, uh, for a while there, 148 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:13.279 it seemed like he wasn't going to be doing any 149 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:17.000 more work, and uh, then he came back. He's still 150 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:18.279 adding to that site, isn't he. 151 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.519 Yeah, he yeah, He's a wonderful researcher. He's just a 152 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.439 beast of a researcher. Yeah, so everyone go check out 153 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:28.480 patspeed dot com. And as a matter of fact, he 154 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.759 and he and I did a five hour, five hour 155 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:36.519 masterclass on the JFK assassination, which which you guys can 156 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.600 check out on my YouTube channel five. 157 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:40.720 It's five hours. 158 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:44.000 But if any anyone wants to know just about everything 159 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:48.200 they ever want to know about the case, I would 160 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:49.600 go check that out. 161 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:53.559 So okay, So now now I'm getting and I didn't 162 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:55.679 know that there was a five hour masterclass with him 163 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:57.399 on there. I did look at a couple of your 164 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.200 your pieces up there, but I didn't notice that. I'm 165 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:01.879 gonna have to go back and check out the YouTube 166 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:03.759 channel and I'll give you guys the link to it. 167 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:06.000 Do you have a short name for your YouTube channel? 168 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:12.200 No, it's just Mt douth But if you go there, 169 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.120 that's where you can find the video that he and. 170 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.720 I did so excellent. Oh, by the way, I'm trying 171 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.200 to put together somebody to help me with Dally Plaza 172 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:27.120 early on Friday, so I might want to talk to 173 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.759 you off air about that real quick before we hang up, 174 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:34.759 because I guess nobody organized a good look. Here's where 175 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:40.000 this person was standing here's this particular historical spot in 176 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:43.399 the plaza, and I was kind of asked if I 177 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.519 could do that, but I said, I need somebody to 178 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:47.759 help me. And by the way, your name came up again, 179 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.679 and somebody said, you know, Matt would be the guy 180 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.679 to try and help you out, because you know, I'm aware, 181 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.039 I have all the information, and certainly I know where 182 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.320 people were standing and all those kinds of things. But 183 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:06.240 my slight visual issue more than a slight issue. But 184 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.240 that's okay, my visual issue. Not only do I need 185 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:12.039 a ride to the plaza, but I also might need 186 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:14.840 a little bit of help making sure that I'm precise 187 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.360 about some landmarks. So I'm going to ask you about 188 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:21.120 that after we're done talking here, because I'm thinking we 189 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.440 need to give people that as opposed to some of 190 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.360 the other events that might occur on the noll and 191 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.600 around the knoll that morning, I think it would be 192 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.159 good to give people historical context, show them where the 193 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.360 Warren Commissions, you know, star Witness was standing, show them 194 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:42.840 why that looks a certain way, and why it is 195 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:44.639 that it might be a little unbelievable that you can 196 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:47.360 tell how tall somebody is if you're looking up six floors, 197 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.840 you know, stuff like that. Yeah, I might need somebody 198 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.360 to help me out with it a little bit, and 199 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:55.080 I was thinking about recruiting you and maybe Doug Campbell 200 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.480 to help me out with it. But I'll bother Doug 201 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:04.720 that day when I get there. Anyways, So that's great stuff. Anyway, 202 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.320 let's get back to what it is that brought you 203 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.519 in so you get to visit dely Plaza. What grabbed 204 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:14.200 you though? I mean, was it like just the oddity 205 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:18.399 of the space. Did you find it strange the official story? No, 206 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:20.799 you said you believe the official story for a couple 207 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.360 of years. So, and by the way, that's the way 208 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:26.600 I started out with the case. I thought maybe I 209 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.159 could knock away all the conspiracy nonsense and maybe I 210 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.519 could make a clearer case out of this. Of course, 211 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.320 I was dealing with it in the nineteen eighties, being 212 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.519 a teenager a little bit older than what you're talking 213 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.840 about at twelve. But that's where I started, is around 214 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.080 the twenty fifth anniversary, because you know, I'm a bit older. 215 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.440 I was born in seventy two as opposed to being 216 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:54.320 born in the nineties. Okay, so anyway, but what really 217 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:57.960 grabbed you about it. 218 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:01.080 It sort of just fill into place again. When I 219 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:06.600 was seventeen in twenty thirteen for the for the fiftieth anniversary, 220 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:08.000 that's when it really grabbed me. 221 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:08.759 For some reason. 222 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.480 In my young mind, I thought, oh, I'm gonna debunk 223 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:15.679 I'm gonna debunk all these crazy theories or anything. But 224 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:21.480 of course I barely I knew any of the details. 225 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.480 So yeah, like I get, like I said, a few 226 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.600 documentaries here and there, and then it was again I 227 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:37.480 found spears Pat's website and uh and also oh also. 228 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.759 I really in my mind I wanted to. 229 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:48.639 Make like this master volume set of addressing, you know, 230 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.320 address every point in the entire case. And I was like, 231 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.039 you know what, this isn't really original. So I literally 232 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:57.399 shoved everything off of my desk, and that's when I 233 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.000 started calling up eye witnesses. 234 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:01.559 Particularly. 235 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:08.879 The witnesses in the JFK autopsy room. That night, I 236 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.399 spoke to everyone who was alive, who was still alive 237 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.440 back at that time. So this is about This is 238 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:19.159 twenty sixteen when I placed my first call, and then 239 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.159 I did the medical evidence for a few years, and 240 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:25.679 then I decided to switch gears a little bit and 241 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.759 focus on the Tipic case, which. 242 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.240 It's a very very underlooked topic. 243 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.200 Yeah, the Typic case is really tough because it's the 244 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:40.559 afterthought that's still after the thought, right, I mean, everybody 245 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.600 focuses on the murder of Kennedy, the wounding of Connolly, 246 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.879 and the death of Oswald. But you know, the Typic 247 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:51.159 case is sort of just like a tangential thing in 248 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.720 a lot of cases, right where people sort of ignore it. 249 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:57.360 But it's important because this is one of the real 250 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:59.519 you know, this is one of the things that helps 251 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:04.879 build the case allegedly right against Oswald, which you and 252 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.120 I both know, you know, kind of falls apart when 253 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.960 you look at it. By the way. That means you 254 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.080 would have had to have encountered William Law and his 255 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:14.399 incredible uh uh you know, grouping of interviews that he 256 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:18.080 did in the eye of history, because I mean he 257 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.360 started a bit earlier than you uh and and he 258 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:25.039 put together an amazing uh group of eyewitnesses. Whereas it 259 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:28.440 concerns the body, the casket, uh you know, the people 260 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.960 at Bethesda, the people at Parkland, et cetera. So you 261 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.799 would have had to have encountered, uh, you know, William 262 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:36.879 Law's work as well, right, oh. 263 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:37.440 Of course I did. 264 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.399 Yeah, he and I spoke to both of the the 265 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:47.200 same witnesses. In fact, he he uh. I was writing 266 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:51.559 a manuscript at that time. It was called the JFK 267 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:55.720 The Missing Witnesses. His book in the Eye of History 268 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.639 inspired me to structure that book in a similar way, 269 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:04.360 you know, reaching out to these people. So yeah, I 270 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:07.919 have a great respect for him and that manuscript will 271 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.159 it'll come out one day. Keeps getting a little bigger 272 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:14.399 here and there, but it'll come out one day. But yeah, 273 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:21.480 William was a big influence on the structure of writing back. 274 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:23.679 Yeah, I mean, but it's kind of hard, you know, 275 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:26.720 for me, Like when you say, okay, I could talk 276 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.000 to all the witnesses, I'm thinking to myself, we lost 277 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:32.639 quite a few by the time you started, which is unfortunate. 278 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:34.480 And you have to go back now and look at 279 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:36.559 a whole lot of other people's work in order to 280 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.639 even get an idea about what some people saw, you know, 281 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.080 because there's so many of them have now passed away. Again, 282 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.639 you're talking twenty thirteen, that's the fiftieth anniversary, so half 283 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.159 a century later, you know, people that were adults might 284 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.639 no longer be alive. And I always like to mention 285 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:55.919 Larry Snead at this point too, because he's a guy 286 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.960 who collated a whole bunch of interviews of policemen. Again, 287 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.879 they're in a book called No More Silence, which is, 288 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:08.159 you know, an excellent, an excellent and underrated volume of 289 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.039 interviews that Larry did there and a lot of people 290 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.679 have passed, even some of the researchers that were great 291 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.679 and some of the people that guaranteed were also inspirations. 292 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:20.559 And you're looking at the medical evidence. I mean, we 293 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:22.159 just lost Sirah Wek this year. 294 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.679 Yeah, that book that Larry's that you just mentioned by 295 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:32.720 Larry Snead, that book, every witness in that book that 296 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.519 he interviewed is dead except for Bill Newman. 297 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:39.320 They're all dead. 298 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.720 And that was only twenty six years ago, right, So 299 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.320 it just goes to show, you know, I mean that 300 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.559 at one point it'll be I mean, at one point, 301 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:51.759 for the Lincoln assassination, it's like this is it. 302 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:53.639 The last witness has died right here. 303 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.200 That's all we're gonna get from witness statements right slowly 304 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:57.679 getting there. 305 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:59.480 With the Keny assassination, there'll be a day. 306 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.799 Where it's like that's it from sixty three to this day. 307 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:07.480 Right here. That's all we have of eyewitness accounts. 308 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.440 Right, and we'll just be left with what people like yourself, 309 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:14.200 William Law and others have archived. That'll be it, because 310 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:16.680 you won't be able to talk to the dead, at 311 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.480 least not according to what I understand, although some people 312 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:25.359 disagree with me. But yeah, anyway, yeah, here we go. 313 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:29.680 So all right, the medical evidence? Why the medical evidence? Though? 314 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:32.079 Did you think it was? As you know, David Lifton 315 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.799 definitely coined it well when he said the best evidence. 316 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.519 And I would say that a lot of older people 317 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:43.000 than myself even often cite David Lifton for inspiring their 318 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:46.599 desire to look into the medical evidence, you know, not 319 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:50.480 just because of his theories about body alteration and all that. 320 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:54.599 Although that is intriguing. There's a lot more to it 321 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.599 when you take a look at Lifton's work. Anyway, I 322 00:17:57.640 --> 00:17:59.880 don't want to keep going into homages about other people. 323 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.799 I want to talk about what it is you decided 324 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:06.119 to do. So take us through it a little bit. 325 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.359 How do you wind up, you know, doing a master 326 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:13.079 class with Pat Spearwall people? Eventually? I mean, how is 327 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:16.200 it you get from again going to the plaza because 328 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:20.720 you couldn't go see where where Lincoln was assassinated. To 329 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:23.920 this point of doing a master class, I mean take 330 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:24.440 us there. 331 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.039 It's one of those things that just fell fell into place. 332 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:35.759 We did the master class in April of this year, 333 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:40.960 and and what we did was we reacted to an 334 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.000 hour long presentation. Can you believe it when reacting to it? 335 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.880 One hour presentation ter stretch into five hours. 336 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:50.200 But what we. 337 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.599 Reacted to was a presentation that doctor John Latimer did 338 00:18:54.799 --> 00:19:00.000 at the famous JFK Chicago conference in nineteen ninety three. 339 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:03.799 For those that don't know, John Latimer. 340 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:09.240 Was the chief apologist for the Warren Commission report from 341 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:14.200 nineteen sixty eight until he died in two thousand and seven. 342 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.200 And hit and so what. 343 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:26.480 The title of our masterclass is called Latimer Revisited JEFFK 344 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:32.079 Medical and Ballistic Evidence. It tells you pretty much everything 345 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.039 you need to know about the case, and it's also 346 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:38.680 reacting in real time to the chief apologist and what 347 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:40.720 his evidence are so called evidence is. 348 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:45.079 So, yeah, Latimer's been an interesting character and you're not 349 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.200 the first people to ever react to something that he's done. 350 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.519 But that idea that you're reacting to something that was 351 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:56.039 done at the thirtieth anniversary twenty years later, right, is 352 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.359 kind of rough, I mean, because you know, for all, 353 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:05.200 Latimer really did convince a lot of people to, you know, 354 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:10.359 I guess, get on board with Gerald Posner's book, and 355 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.079 get on board with the idea that again it was 356 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:16.359 the idea I started with, that this is too crazy. 357 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.839 They have too many theories, this is all over the place. 358 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:22.880 It must be. You know, it only happened one way. 359 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:27.599 That's a certainty, right, And a lot of these things 360 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.000 and a lot of bad stuff is out there that 361 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.720 doesn't show us, you know, anything like resembling the truth 362 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:40.119 or or a look near the truth. So you know, again, 363 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.160 what is it? You know, what did why did you 364 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.799 pick that one? Or were you inspired by somebody else 365 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:49.359 to choose that one particularly? 366 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:54.119 Well, like I said, he was the chief apologist for 367 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:58.880 the Warrant Commission for Rome decades and decades and decades, 368 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.440 and he was really influential, as you said on Posner 369 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:10.440 and uh which really all the arguments that Latimer did 370 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:13.680 and ended up in his in Gerald Posner's book. So 371 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.559 while you know, X amount of people might have bought 372 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.559 Latimer's book, you know, millions and tens of millions bought 373 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:24.519 Posner's book, which was a New York Times bestseller, and 374 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:27.319 he was all over all over the morning shows and everything. 375 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.279 So it's like all these all this stuff that Latimer said, 376 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:32.759 it kind of spilled over here. It's kind of been 377 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:36.559 in in these main these talking points that he brought 378 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:38.440 up have been there ever since. 379 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:40.839 So we kind of wanted. 380 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:45.680 To uh challenge ourselves to really go point by point 381 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.559 into what this guy was saying. And really, when you 382 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.559 look at it, it just really falls fall falls apart. 383 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:52.720 On every single level. 384 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.640 And believe me, every when I say every single level, 385 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.319 it really falls apart on every single level. But when 386 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:02.759 but no one who's ever seen it it looks convincing. 387 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.920 But you know, check out our video and you'll see 388 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:07.079 what I'm talking about. 389 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.039 Okay, well, let's move on to what it is you're 390 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:13.880 gonna do this year on the sixty first anniversary. Dear lord, 391 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.680 I can't believe I'm still talking about this. You know, 392 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.119 it was the twenty fifth anniversary that the media blitz 393 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:23.680 that took place at that time was you know, I know, 394 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:25.440 we didn't have the Internet and we didn't have a 395 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.240 lot of things that we have today. But quite honestly, 396 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:31.799 the JFK case was all over the place in nineteen 397 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:35.799 ready for this eighty eight, and it was on the radio, 398 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.799 it was on TV, it was in it was mentioned 399 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:42.799 in popular culture, et cetera, et cetera. The twenty fifth 400 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:47.440 anniversary moved me to become more interested, even though in 401 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.799