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Speaker 1: named very Happy Wednesday to you, a happy birthday to
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Speaker 1: favorite hour, Brady. When we get Congressman Thomas Massey followed
Speaker 1: by Judge Anapolitano, and welcome back to the fifty five
Speaker 1: KRC Morning Show, Congressman Massie. It's always a distinct pleasure
Speaker 1: having you on the program.
Speaker 2: Great to be on with you, Brian.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the song Missus Robinson Simon and
Speaker 1: gar Garfuggle laugh about it, shout about it. When you've
Speaker 1: got to choose, any way you look at it, you'll lose,
Speaker 1: you know. Under the first Trump administrations are our deficits swelled,
Speaker 1: and then you get even worse under the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: where thirty seven trillion dollars are almost in the hole.
Speaker 1: And I was had I had great expectations and since
Speaker 1: we now control the House and the Senate and the
Speaker 1: executive branch, that the Republicans would deliver on pairing back
Speaker 1: the size and scope of govern most notably on the
Speaker 1: heels of what DOGE revealed as small as it was
Speaker 1: compared to overall government spending. We spend a lot of
Speaker 1: money on a lot of really stupid, wasteful stuff, and
Speaker 1: there's also a heapload of fraud, wasted abuse, and yet
Speaker 1: the so called big beautiful bill doesn't really do anything
Speaker 1: by way of cutting the direction we're going on Congress
Speaker 1: from Massa.
Speaker 2: Your reaction, Yeah, well, I've got a little bit of
Speaker 2: good news. Let's start out with that. Oh, good to vote.
Speaker 2: We're going to vote on about nine billion dollars of
Speaker 2: recisions this week, either today or tomorrow. That's great news
Speaker 2: because I've people are my colleagues are like, wow, Massy's
Speaker 2: going to vote yes on somebody. And I'm telling him, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is in twelve years, the first time I've seen
Speaker 2: this actually cut spending anywhere. So yeah, you're done right.
Speaker 2: I'm voting yes. And there may be some moderate Republicans
Speaker 2: who have a hard time getting to the altar on
Speaker 2: this one, but this, you know that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: But here, keep this in mind, though, Brian, these are
Speaker 2: billion The recisions are billion dollar answers to trillion dollar products.
Speaker 2: We have a deficit. That's how much we add to
Speaker 2: the debt every year. We have a deficit of about
Speaker 2: two trillion dollars, and a trillion of that is interest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these are crazy numbers. And I did a calculation. We're
Speaker 2: about to take a bunch of our debt that's at
Speaker 2: you know, zero percent or two percent or three percent,
Speaker 2: and refinance it in the next year because it's short
Speaker 2: term debt at five percent and above, because that's what
Speaker 2: the thirty year notes at five percent, the twenty year
Speaker 2: notes at five percent. These are this is what the
Speaker 2: government pays people to finance our debt. And so I
Speaker 2: did a quick calculation. It's going to be sixteen thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a year in interest per American family that the
Speaker 2: government is paying. That's sixteen thousand dollars that every family
Speaker 2: is responsible for it ultimately in the end per year
Speaker 2: where to get no services whatsoever. It's just interest on
Speaker 2: the debt is like a credit card bill bill, I know,
Speaker 2: the big beautiful bill. Let's put it in perspective, is
Speaker 2: a sixteen hundred dollars tax break per per family. So
Speaker 2: you we're racking out sixteen thousand dollars of debt per
Speaker 2: family just an interest per year, and we're telling actually
Speaker 2: racking up about thirty two thousand dollars of debt per family,
Speaker 2: but it's sixteen thousand that its interest. And we're telling folks,
Speaker 2: we're going to give you a sixteen hundred dollars tax break,
Speaker 2: and we're going to spend another They're appropriating about two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty or three hundred billion dollars of money
Speaker 2: in this bill, some of which I agree needs to
Speaker 2: be spent for border enforcement, but some of it is
Speaker 2: just military bloat.
Speaker 1: Well, I see, I'm glad you brought that up, because
Speaker 1: you know, while I am a supporter of the American
Speaker 1: military and the veterans out there, and I've got their backs,
Speaker 1: you can't tell me the when our military can't pass
Speaker 1: an audit like eight times in a row, there is
Speaker 1: insufficient information. We got a trillion dollar annual expenditure for
Speaker 1: the American military that there is not fraud, wasted abuse
Speaker 1: built into that, and just scads of it. That we
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to have a trillion dollar annual military budget
Speaker 1: in order to meet the actual demands and needs for
Speaker 1: equipment and hardware and salaries. You just need to cut
Speaker 1: out the fraud, wasted abuse. They should be mandated to
Speaker 1: have an audit. They should go through it like Doge
Speaker 1: went through USA for example. I bet they could find
Speaker 1: billions and billions and billions of waste and unnecessary expenditures.
Speaker 2: But instead we're going to throw more money at right now,
Speaker 2: here's the interesting thing. There's two buckets of money that
Speaker 2: we spend. We spend discretionary money. That's what goes in
Speaker 2: the omnibus or the cr that should be twelve separate bills,
Speaker 2: that's like roads and bridges, NASA, actually, the court system,
Speaker 2: the military. And then there's the non discretionary or entitlements
Speaker 2: that would be Medicaid, Medicare, social security. That's about three
Speaker 2: quarters of our budget. They say that this reconciliation bill
Speaker 2: is only supposed to deal with the mandatory spending the Medicare,
Speaker 2: Medicaid because of the rules of reconciliation, you can't touch
Speaker 2: those security, so Medicaid, Medicare and some other mandatory programs
Speaker 2: or what you're supposed to be adjusting in order to
Speaker 2: balance the budget and a reconciliation bill. But they've discovered
Speaker 2: that they can spend discretionary money on the mandatory side
Speaker 2: using reconciliation. Now I haven't got to the punchline yet,
Speaker 2: so they're going to, you know, throw another one hundred
Speaker 2: billion dollars at the military in this reconciliation bill that
Speaker 2: should be in the in the discretionary bill comes up
Speaker 2: in September. So they're telling all of us, well, from
Speaker 2: the parliamentary rules allow us to increase discretionary spending and
Speaker 2: the reconciliation bill, but they do not allow us under
Speaker 2: a circumstance to decrease discretionary spending and the Reconciliation Bill.
Speaker 2: They make up these rules and tell you what they
Speaker 2: want them to be for their own convenience when they
Speaker 2: want to spend the money. And the reason they're telling
Speaker 2: me we need to spend one hundred billion dollars of
Speaker 2: discretionary money and the reconciliation bill for the military is
Speaker 2: so that when we get to the battle over the
Speaker 2: Omnibus or the cr that should be twelve separate bills
Speaker 2: that will already have the military plused up, so we
Speaker 2: won't have to give the Democrats more of their money
Speaker 2: to get more of our money priorities, which normally be
Speaker 2: the military for Republicans. And they're saying this will save
Speaker 2: us money if we go ahead and spend it now,
Speaker 2: then we will have to Oh my lord, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: But here's where we are with all this. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm still taking heat for not voting for the big,
Speaker 2: beautiful bill, but it already passed the House. Now. Interestingly,
Speaker 2: it passed a couple of weeks ago. They're going to
Speaker 2: change the language of this bill today after it passed.
Speaker 2: They said, because we haven't seen though it sounds like
Speaker 2: you're listened to fiction at this point. Yes, Lacey said,
Speaker 2: you got to vote for a bill to find out
Speaker 2: what's in it. Mike Johnson says, well, we passed it
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, but we're going to change what's in
Speaker 2: it before we send it to the Senate. They're literally
Speaker 2: changing the language substantial portions of this bill after we
Speaker 2: voted on it.
Speaker 1: How can that be accomplished. I mean, there's got to
Speaker 1: be some form of protests or objections. It would need
Speaker 1: to be revoted on.
Speaker 2: Okay, we are going to vote on it, but they're
Speaker 2: high to hint in another resolution that's not even a bill.
Speaker 2: There's a resolution to bring the recisions to the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: from the Rules Committee, and inside of that resolution. They've
Speaker 2: got what's called a self executing amendment. When you vote
Speaker 2: for this resolution, there's an amendment that pops up and
Speaker 2: passes itself without a vote. And the way they can
Speaker 2: do this is you're taking the vote. You're voting on
Speaker 2: bringing recisions to the floor, and they've hidden this other
Speaker 2: matter inside of it, so they can say, well, you
Speaker 2: voted to change the language. But the reality is no Republican,
Speaker 2: including myself probably is it's going to vote against bringing
Speaker 2: recisions to the floor, and so that's how they're going
Speaker 2: to change the language to build. Now I've I've looked
Speaker 2: at the provisions that came out last night. This is
Speaker 2: the other thing. We just last night finally got to
Speaker 2: peek at what they want to change the language to today,
Speaker 2: and it's not I can't. I'm suspicious of some of
Speaker 2: the changes, but I haven't found the catch yet. I
Speaker 2: think they call them technical changes. They're more than technical changes,
Speaker 2: but they're not too dangerous, I think. So I'll probably
Speaker 2: vote for this resolution that lets them do it, because
Speaker 2: that same resolution brings recisions exactly and I don't want
Speaker 2: to blame for stopping that. Now it'll go to the
Speaker 2: Senate and there are some senators over there who are
Speaker 2: trying to make this bill better, Mike Lee, Rick Scott,
Speaker 2: Ron Johnson, Ran Paul and I've said, if this thing
Speaker 2: gets better in the Senate, I could vote for it
Speaker 2: when it comes back to the House because we'll we'll
Speaker 2: have to vote on it again if they change even
Speaker 2: the punctuation in the Senate.
Speaker 1: Right now, I guess what changes can be made in
Speaker 1: the Senate that'll make it palatable for Congress than Thomas Massey.
Speaker 2: They they can find another three trillion dollars of savings
Speaker 2: in this bill, for instance, the Green New Deal. This
Speaker 2: bill's you know, the House bill doesn't get rid of
Speaker 2: the Green New Deal. They call it the Inflation Reduction Act,
Speaker 2: but they put a lot of the deal in there.
Speaker 2: It says, as long as you start building your battery
Speaker 2: factory or your solar panel thing or whatever by a
Speaker 2: certain date, you can still get the subsidies. It doesn't
Speaker 2: go cold Turkey. Well, in the Senate, they could move
Speaker 2: that date closer to today and stop it and it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be completely cold Turkey. There would still be people
Speaker 2: getting subsidies from the Green New Deal, but you could
Speaker 2: save maybe three hundred billion six hundred billion by moving
Speaker 2: that up quicker. The biggest change you could make to
Speaker 2: save money is there's three hundred it's about three hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy or three hundred and ninety billion dollars giveaway
Speaker 2: to sanctuary cities and blue states. This state and local
Speaker 2: tax deduction, okay, the best part, the best policy of
Speaker 2: Trump's twenty seventeen tax cutting jobs, which I voted for.
Speaker 2: Took it put a ten thousand dollars exactly state and
Speaker 2: local tax deductions, which if you're middle class in a
Speaker 2: red state, it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't really
Speaker 2: a tax increase. But for people in blue states had
Speaker 2: been getting a free ride on the local taxes. They
Speaker 2: just take that off of their federal taxes.
Speaker 1: We out here in the red states are subsidizing the
Speaker 1: blue states with that salt, and that's what irked me.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Americans for Prosperous Donovan and Neel
Speaker 1: the last hour about this, and I find that offensive.
Speaker 1: And it could provide cover for the blue state Republicans
Speaker 1: who pushed that through. That increase to forty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: if the Senate backs it up to ten thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and keeps it where it is. At least they can
Speaker 1: throw their hands up and say, listen, I can't vote
Speaker 1: against this because it keeps American taxpayers taxes low. But
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I tried to get the salt increase, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't accomplish it. But being broader, tax cuts are
Speaker 1: more important than me fighting for ourridiculously high tech states.
Speaker 2: Correct, and it's it's about three hundred and ninety billion
Speaker 2: dollars transfer of money. Basically, what if the salt means
Speaker 2: We're just going to add that much more to the
Speaker 2: deficit and the people in the red states will be
Speaker 2: paying interest on the debt because we had this giveaway
Speaker 2: to the blue state. It's a total reversal of Trump's
Speaker 2: policy in twenty seventeen. And the policy in twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: is what helped turn Florida red. There were people in
Speaker 2: California and New York and said, well, if we're not
Speaker 2: getting a free ride on our state and local taxes,
Speaker 2: we're getting out of these hellholes exactly, and they moved
Speaker 2: to Florida. And now you've got La Los Angeles is
Speaker 2: a sanctuary city, and we're and with high real estate prices,
Speaker 2: so this is a gift to them, to California and
Speaker 2: New York and Illinois. And you've got some You've got
Speaker 2: some Republicans in the House who want it because they're
Speaker 2: from this but you don't have any senators from blue states.
Speaker 2: There's no you know, Republican senators. They should just outright
Speaker 2: clean this out of the bill. So there's just a
Speaker 2: and then's the work requirements on medicator kind of a
Speaker 2: joke in the House bill. They're not. The state's already
Speaker 2: no ways around those to get exemptions. So they could
Speaker 2: strengthen that in the Senate. They could find another three
Speaker 2: trillion dollars of cuts and send it back to the House,
Speaker 2: and I could I would fear also take out this
Speaker 2: crazy AI provision that I believe unconstitutional that would let
Speaker 2: AI companies. It's a nod to AI companies that they
Speaker 2: should be able to get expedited zoning, in other words,
Speaker 2: override state and local laws so that they can put
Speaker 2: their their data centers wherever they want and states wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to regulate. They need to take that out.
Speaker 2: If they did those things, skinny this thing down, send
Speaker 2: it back to the House. You could probably vote for that.
Speaker 2: If Mike Lee and those guys can prevail on this.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, I'll bring it back. I'll get you a
Speaker 1: quick comment or two about the riot situation in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and elsewhere it's growing. We'll continue with Congress from Massey.
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Speaker 1: Hey twenty one fifty about KRSD talk station, Brian Thomas,
Speaker 1: the Congress and Thomas Massey. All right, it broke down
Speaker 1: the big BBB and what the changes might be in
Speaker 1: the Senate that would garner Thomas Massey's vote. I love
Speaker 1: your suggestions and I hope they embrace them real quick. Here,
Speaker 1: if you had a t lea freed in terms of
Speaker 1: what you want from the Senate in terms of changes,
Speaker 1: do you think you're going to deliver on that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think you can have a good chance.
Speaker 2: The negotiation you start when you say no, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: And so you've got Ron Johnson and Rampaul are no,
Speaker 2: Mike Lee and Rich Scott Lean no. And if they
Speaker 2: just tell the senators no and the President no. Look,
Speaker 2: the President is not wedded to this blue state bailout. No.
Speaker 2: I understand fault times. He in our conference, he told
Speaker 2: him to drop it, and it's costing to it's politically,
Speaker 2: it's costing too much, he said. He told the New
Speaker 2: York guys, just give it up. I was going to
Speaker 2: let it pass, but now it's made such a big stink,
Speaker 2: and you weren't happy with the small increase, so just
Speaker 2: give it up. So these aren't things the President is against.
Speaker 2: Also on the Green New Deal, like going cold Turkey
Speaker 2: and cutting that off quicker instead of letting it keep
Speaker 2: going for a while. The president's with us on that.
Speaker 2: He's just waiting to see what they'll do in the Senate.
Speaker 1: All right, well, keep my fingers crossed and maybe even
Speaker 1: say a prayer that that it gets accomplished. Now your
Speaker 1: reaction way.
Speaker 2: I learned. I learned one thing from your radio show
Speaker 2: during the break. I'm not I'm not going to get
Speaker 2: to cut my hay this weekend. The weather reports.
Speaker 1: It's going to be wet and the No King's rally
Speaker 1: will probably less well attended, which allows us a nice
Speaker 1: pivot over to the Los Angeles situation. You know, ICE
Speaker 1: is doing its job. It's allowed to go in even
Speaker 1: though law enforcement doesn't want to help them. The politicians
Speaker 1: don't want to help ICE. They don't like the idea
Speaker 1: of deporting these hardened, terrible criminals, or anybody else for
Speaker 1: that matter. But ICE can still come to the neighborhoods
Speaker 1: and do it and they get attacked. Newsom doesn't do anything,
Speaker 1: Bass doesn't do anything. Law enforcement there says they're overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: Enter the National Guard. Donald Trump's trying to help the
Speaker 1: citizens of Los Angeles area from the violence they're facing,
Speaker 1: and of course that's met with objections. What's your take
Speaker 1: on all this, Congress from Assey?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the police say they can't help. The
Speaker 2: reason it can't help is the locals have passed laws
Speaker 2: that made it a sanctuary city. Yep. And so you
Speaker 2: have to send in federal agents to do this. And
Speaker 2: then you've got the protesters are destroying the federal property,
Speaker 2: federal assets, and endangering federal officers. So you got to
Speaker 2: send in the guard. So and I think this is
Speaker 2: a this is a tipping point, I think Democrats. So
Speaker 2: it's the policy is right. Trump's got the policy right.
Speaker 2: You can't reward people for coming here illegally. You can't
Speaker 2: reward the sanctuary cities for harboring these people and you've
Speaker 2: got to deport them. But the policy is right, but
Speaker 2: also the politics are right. I mean the the governor
Speaker 2: and Karen Bass, who actually used to be in the
Speaker 2: House Representatives I served with, there's they they're losing this
Speaker 2: argument in the court of public opinion with the modern
Speaker 2: you know, with let's say independence, and so it's you know,
Speaker 2: this is this is an issue where I think Trump's
Speaker 2: right to double down and he just got a big
Speaker 2: win from the court. The Gavin Newsom asked the courts
Speaker 2: to intervene until Trump he couldn't send in the guard
Speaker 2: and it's actually I think of a judge appointed by
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton said no, we're not going to give you
Speaker 2: this injunction. And so you know, Trump got to win
Speaker 2: there and he just needs to keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the court has set a hearing for I believe tomorrow.
Speaker 1: He denied that they denied the temporary restraining order and said, no,
Speaker 1: we're going to get the federal government, uh in the
Speaker 1: state additional time to file briefs and then they're going
Speaker 1: to have actual hearing on it. So uh, no temporary
Speaker 1: restraining order issued. So it's it's it actually deny the
Speaker 1: governor's request completely outright, there's going to be a further
Speaker 1: hearing on the propriety of it. So it ain't over.
Speaker 1: The fat Lady has not yet sang on that one,
Speaker 1: but so far a win.
Speaker 2: And in this and it'll and it will set up
Speaker 2: an interesting situation if the judge does, you know, ultimately
Speaker 2: give some kind of injunction. I mean, it's it's fisher
Speaker 2: cut bait for our country.
Speaker 1: Well true, but see, I suppose you know, the the
Speaker 1: National Guard, Trump, you know comment during the California wing
Speaker 1: of the National Guard, the governor US could send the
Speaker 1: National Guard in if this is taken away, because if
Speaker 1: it's taken away and there's no more National guardsmen on
Speaker 1: the streets, chaos will ensue and he's going to have
Speaker 1: to do something about it. So he can just basically
Speaker 1: do exactly what Trump did, but just from his own
Speaker 1: governor's desk.
Speaker 2: We could also Karen bass Is put in a curfew. Yeah,
Speaker 2: at least there's acknowledgement that something's not right here. But
Speaker 2: then you've also you've got Governor knew some inciting these folks.
Speaker 2: Though at the same.
Speaker 1: Time, indeed, because it's Trump, it's Trump doing it. Trump's
Speaker 1: effort to enforce the law and protect the federal property.
Speaker 1: And the National Guard is causing people to break into
Speaker 1: sushi stores, gas stations, burn WAYMO vehicles, and throw chunks
Speaker 1: of concrete at vehicles.
Speaker 2: And you know what, this would be a great moment
Speaker 2: for Trump to come out and say, we're not giving
Speaker 2: you state and local tax deductions to sanctuary cities and
Speaker 2: sanctuary states, like governor saying, you know, it wasn't the House,
Speaker 2: big beautiful bill. We're taking it out the Senate. And
Speaker 2: because we're not going to give you these handouts for
Speaker 2: you to go to basically perpetuate bad policy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, behind the scenes, I hope Trump is
Speaker 1: having a conversation with some of those senators telling them
Speaker 1: to do exactly that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, behind the scenes he had that conversation
Speaker 2: with us. I was in the room, by the way.
Speaker 4: He asked if I was in the room, and I
Speaker 4: raised my hand and he said, there's there's dumb MESSI
Speaker 4: he's basically you know, he and ran Paul very similar.
Speaker 2: They got the same hair. They are from Kentucky, and
Speaker 2: you can't get him to vote for anything. And then
Speaker 2: he said, but I like Massey's hair better.
Speaker 1: Congress of messy, take what you can get. Judge on
Speaker 1: Depoulaton is listening. He's waiting in the wings. He's a
Speaker 1: huge fan of yours, and I know you're a huge
Speaker 1: fan of his. He's waving at you through our zoom
Speaker 1: conference and he's going to be joining the program next
Speaker 1: to talk about the constitutional reality of what's going on
Speaker 1: in LA. Congressman Thomas Massey, God bless you will keep
Speaker 1: our fingers crossed that the changes you're looking for from
Speaker 1: the Senate actually occur so you can vote yes on
Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill. God bless you, sir, And thanks
Speaker 1: for the time you swive my listeners and.
Speaker 2: Me give my love to the judge you just did.
Speaker 1: He heard you. We'll talk soon. Take care of my friend.
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