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<v Speaker 1>And man's anthropology.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, without the right theology.

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<v Speaker 3>The talbot then.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't see from the sea. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>The logos is the icon of Father, and man is

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<v Speaker 1>the icon of God. H we are the image of.

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<v Speaker 2>Godha God dire Wave three, it says, kicking off Spootober,

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<v Speaker 2>spooky scary lights, blood goo gooey, you get centers inside

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<v Speaker 2>of creatures that turn into other things. Evolution, Bro, do

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<v Speaker 2>you like Halloween?

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<v Speaker 3>No? I don't like all of the crap in the

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<v Speaker 3>stores already, all the Halloween stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I want spirit Halloween to take over every strip.

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<v Speaker 3>Malling creature in every country, don't you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I don't like him, So welcome everybody. We're just

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<v Speaker 2>coming off the heels of the unhinged and psychotic debater

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<v Speaker 2>Tristan aka Tristana, who we are no longer associated with.

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<v Speaker 2>We are better than him, and we just want to

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<v Speaker 2>burchase signal to point out how better we are because

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<v Speaker 2>Destiny won the debate last night. Psychic Anyway tonight is

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<v Speaker 2>a special feature because we're not just covering the eighty

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<v Speaker 2>spooky classics. I'll also be doing a debate immediately after

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<v Speaker 2>this stream, so I'm not at full steam I'm actually

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<v Speaker 2>taking my tongue cat which we'll discuss later, to help

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<v Speaker 2>me have the energy to spurg out and be mean

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<v Speaker 2>to Pedro. I'm just joking, not gonna be mean to Pedro,

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<v Speaker 2>Pedro from the Crucible, who I believe is a Protestant

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<v Speaker 2>as far as I understand, we will be doing a

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<v Speaker 2>debate immediately after this live stream, So tonight we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>cover for Spook Toober kicking it off. You know last

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<v Speaker 2>year we did Hereditary. Do you remember that we did Hereditary?

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<v Speaker 2>Halloween three fun stuff Classic John Carpenter. There, I forget

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<v Speaker 2>what else we did PP three e more Days too,

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<v Speaker 2>hallo Ween Halloween, hallo Ween, three more days to hallowen

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<v Speaker 2>su Verse Chamrock you look that up. That will never

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<v Speaker 2>leave your head. You will go insane. So we got

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<v Speaker 2>Child's play Chuck aka Chucky. If you've ever heard of Chucky,

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<v Speaker 2>you know Chuck, not Chuck d Chucky, No public not

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<v Speaker 2>public enemies Chucky, Chucky.

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<v Speaker 3>Chucky, my buddy Chucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is my buddy. Yeah, my body and kids, sister, kids, sister, kid,

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<v Speaker 2>sister and me.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the first scary movie I ever saw as

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<v Speaker 3>child traumatized. It messed me up towards dolls. Yes, dolls

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<v Speaker 3>are have some evil in them. And ever since I

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<v Speaker 3>saw Child's Play that one and Candy Man, I was

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<v Speaker 3>about twelve years old, and I've never seen a scary

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<v Speaker 3>movie before, and I saw Chucky, I've never been the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think dolls are scary at all. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're ridiculous. And I don't think clowns are scary at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know why people are scared of dolls

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<v Speaker 2>and clowns. It makes me laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>They're creepy. It's like, while as we shall see, there

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of voodoo in Child's Play, you thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean people like I can't hear you. The

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<v Speaker 2>sound is off, the sound is significantly I have a phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as we shall see sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect to me. There is so I don't understand these.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe everybody else got broke ears. Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it working? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>We sound beautiful?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So Child's Play nineteen eighty eight there is a killer,

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<v Speaker 3>a serial killer on the loose, who is killed by

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<v Speaker 3>a cop and he puts his soul into adult it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually Brad Dwarf aka Grima worm tongue.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's like a strangler, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The Scranton Strangler.

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<v Speaker 3>Well do you remember we saw the new Chucky reboot

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<v Speaker 3>in the theater?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was about AI, yeah, being possessed and

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<v Speaker 2>basically killing everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it was scary and on point.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, what if Chucky was run by Skynett?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but this one is good old fashioned calling upon

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<v Speaker 3>the dark powers of voodoo to put yourself into adult

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<v Speaker 3>so that you can continue your serial killer career.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, this I've never I'd never seen this. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how or why. I never had an interest

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<v Speaker 2>in Chucky. I didn't think it would be good. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really get to My parents didn't let me watch

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<v Speaker 2>horror movies in the eighties, and I didn't really want to.

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<v Speaker 2>I was scared of horror movies, although they were all

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<v Speaker 2>like devils me too. So now I like horror movies,

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<v Speaker 2>not like the really gross stuff. But now that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>grown up and evolved and I'm an atheist and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not superstitious anymore, I'm not afraid of horror movies.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have balls, as they say, Well, now that

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen many horror movies and going back and watching

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<v Speaker 3>this one, from my childhood. This was a pretty good

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<v Speaker 3>horror movie. I'll give it a solid B plus as

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<v Speaker 3>a like, well, okay, there's that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fun eighties movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah there's the consumerism because.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I told you to make a note of that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>The cereal and the cartoon and everything is like peak

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<v Speaker 3>eighties consumer the doll everything you have to have. He's

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<v Speaker 3>even dressed in the clothes of the guy the dolls.

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<v Speaker 3>The dolls called the good guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, bump bup bump bum bum bump bump bump bump,

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<v Speaker 2>bump bump bump bumpin right, And both Gremlins and Child's

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<v Speaker 2>Play are about to a degree consumerism. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 2>the whole end scene where because it's all about buying

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<v Speaker 2>the latest gadget and fad, the dad is looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a unique present for his sons and he's a failed inventor,

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<v Speaker 2>remember that. So he goes and finds this like retarded

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<v Speaker 2>Ferbee dealer in Chinatown who sells retarded, demonic Ferby's, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know you can't get them wet, right, So he

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<v Speaker 2>brings that home and then the end sequence of Gremlins

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<v Speaker 2>my interpretition Grimlins, I know we're not doing Gridlins, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Christmas movie. Actually is that it's about the

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<v Speaker 2>rampant consumerism is essentially demonic, and then the whole society

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<v Speaker 2>is has havoc reeked upon it, like the Gremlins reek

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<v Speaker 2>upon the small town.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then then in Grimlins Too, they go to the

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<v Speaker 2>Twin Towers basically under Clamp Industries. It's Trump. It's obviously Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty crazy, and they wreak havoc and destroy

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<v Speaker 2>the towers. So it's almost like a Twin Towers reference.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. Gremlin's too, Clamp is his name instead of Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Clamp. That's it. And then, uh, the last Gremlin is

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<v Speaker 2>a transition to Grimlin, like like Tristana Lady Kremlin.

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<v Speaker 3>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's no, it's literally a transition to Gremlin because

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<v Speaker 2>of it's a boy gremlin who puts on. No, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a boy gremlin who puts on That's how it ends anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's about consumerism, and this is also about that indirectly,

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<v Speaker 2>because everybody is obsessed with these toys and they're almost

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<v Speaker 2>like replacement father figures. So the kid in this movie

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<v Speaker 2>has no father and they speak of the toy as

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<v Speaker 2>if it's he treats the toy like his replacement father figure.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh, did you notice there's crazy he's making breakfast,

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<v Speaker 3>he's putting sugar on top of sugar cereal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's all these references to the CONSUMERI as pop

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<v Speaker 2>culture stuff. Yeah, and then the it's sugar cereal.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally do you remember Country crocs spread.

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<v Speaker 2>Family? I know it didn't go away.

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<v Speaker 3>Food. Please don't ever eat, buy or eat that. Our

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<v Speaker 3>family ate it too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that will kill you. No more Country.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not even like Margarine. Right, it's another

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<v Speaker 2>third thing, butter Margarine third thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody said, who's Jamie?

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<v Speaker 2>This is my wife? This is my wife. That's a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>What dog feelings hert It's a joke. Come on, we're

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<v Speaker 2>on a live stream.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little dude's birthday and she's a single mom

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<v Speaker 3>and she had to buy the cursed doll from a

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<v Speaker 3>film the Peddler because she couldn't afford the new doll remember,

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<v Speaker 3>And then oh have you ever heard of lol dolls?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that like brats?

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of? But there's these crazy new things that if

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<v Speaker 3>you put him in hot water, they show their underwear

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, lol, dolls, I'm just used to playing with brats.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh do you remember, like you were saying, the dollis'

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<v Speaker 3>replacement family dad. That's like last Action Hero.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was going to say, is that Arnold

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie they make it clear that he's a

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<v Speaker 2>replacement dad figure. He even Arnold even says that about

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<v Speaker 2>the movie because it's a Mada movie. Really good. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, Tristana said, Margarine is motor oil. The whole

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<v Speaker 2>chat thing now that you're mad at me over the joke.

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<v Speaker 2>When I said this, they said, I'm sleeping outside tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a joke. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever noticed that the well meaning friend always

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<v Speaker 3>gets killed?

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<v Speaker 2>That's that well, I thought, not always, because.

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<v Speaker 3>In a horror movie, if you're like the person's best

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<v Speaker 3>friend and you offer to do something for them, that

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<v Speaker 3>last task is going to cost you your life in

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<v Speaker 3>most horror and this is what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>My whiteboard has its own profile and it says that

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<v Speaker 2>if I tell you, don't your feelings hurt, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>throwing a cinder block and a dryer while running source silently. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I sleep alone tonight. I sleep in the doghouse every night, y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>because we literally have a doghouse out back. It's Snoop

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<v Speaker 2>dog House and it's like all pen It's a giant

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<v Speaker 2>doghouse that's pimped out and Snoop Doggs sleeps there and

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<v Speaker 2>it's called the doghouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you seen the guy who made a dog living

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<v Speaker 3>room for his dogs. It's pretty cute.

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<v Speaker 2>That's rampant consumerism. Yeah, consumerism goes crazy when the pets

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<v Speaker 2>are treated like humans and given houses and spas and

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<v Speaker 2>pedicures and like nipple replacement or whatever the pets are given.

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<v Speaker 2>I made up that last one. You didn't even catch it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading nipple replacement, so she doesn't even listen

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<v Speaker 2>to what I say. I just showed you, guys. I

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<v Speaker 2>ran a test and I listed things and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>nipple replacement. You're like, who, pretty sure dogs don't get

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<v Speaker 2>nipple replacement. The rich ones came, my whiteboard is literally

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<v Speaker 2>a wife, so my whiteboard has its own profile and

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<v Speaker 2>it's here, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>The doll makes the kid take him to the ghetto

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<v Speaker 3>and find his serial killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Partner so that he can kill the serial killer partner.

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<v Speaker 3>As the doll Yeah, Eddie Caputo isn't that.

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<v Speaker 2>But what doesn't make sense about this scene is why

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<v Speaker 2>does he even Oh, that's right, because he thinks that

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<v Speaker 2>the Voodoo guy can save him. Because I was thinking, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's got he's he's found the perfect escape as

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<v Speaker 2>a villain. Nobody's ever going to find him inside of

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<v Speaker 2>a chucky So why does he even care about killing

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<v Speaker 2>this guy? And then I realized it's because he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be human again. Yeah, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>has to take care of If he takes care of

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<v Speaker 3>And his house has like crazy serial killer art murals

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<v Speaker 3>So then he gets revenge on his guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Serial killer Pinocchio, Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So now, uh, this is a perfect setup for

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<v Speaker 2>Pinocchio and turn it into uh serial killer.

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<v Speaker 3>Charles Pinocchio.

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<v Speaker 2>No, like what serial killer name? Does Pinocchio sound like?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a serial killer with?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? John Wayne Pinocchio doesn't sound like Pinocchio stalker? No?

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<v Speaker 3>You want of Pinocchio?

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<v Speaker 3>Whose name sounds like?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at the serial killers.

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<v Speaker 3>Zodiacs?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that doesn't work, So Sam Damer Bundy, No Manson Ramirez, Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>name is Charles Lee Ray. So he has the triple

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<v Speaker 2>Pinocchio Del Toro, serial killer, Pierre Pacchiani. He's the Monster

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<v Speaker 2>of Florence Pierre Pinocchio. Alright, this is too dumb, I

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<v Speaker 3>Just make it totally family.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Manson. Yeah, they're getting worse and worse. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>the chat can help. I mean, somebody in the chat

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<v Speaker 2>can come up with a what kind of serial killer

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<v Speaker 2>is Chucky? Anyway? I'm sorry, this is I'm derailing and

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<v Speaker 2>destroying everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the other the other thing I was thinking is

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<v Speaker 2>if toys are vood because we think of voodoo dolls, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like little dolls. What if mass consumption pop toy culture

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<v Speaker 2>is voodoo. What if the toy companies are literally like

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<v Speaker 2>What if the heads of the toy companies are like

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<v Speaker 2>doing what they think is voodoo with toys.

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck, No, that's the best one you're gonna get. What Chucknocchio?

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<v Speaker 3>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. Chuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Who Manson instead of Chucky and Pinocchio? Chuck nought?

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to figure out who the serial killer is? Whosuck?

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<v Speaker 2>I like that? Chuck Manson, Chucky Manson Chucky Manson.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't think of any.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Shackie Matsen got burned in the fireplace, still didn't die,

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<v Speaker 3>and they had to shoot him, and like, who's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>believe me that a doll is attacking all these people?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the more I think about it now, I'm starting

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<v Speaker 2>to think that is the meaning of Child's play. That

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's the whole thing is voodoo, and that the

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<v Speaker 2>way that the shaman has his voodoo dolls is the

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<v Speaker 2>way that it's like the corporations are the corporate shamans,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've given everyone their voodoo dolls to put them

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<v Speaker 2>on our spell.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look at all the barbies and the brats.

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<v Speaker 2>Rats and all the lol dolls. Remember when was it

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<v Speaker 2>was it American Girl? Do you remember when that came out?

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<v Speaker 2>When those are really popular? Ten years ago? They even

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<v Speaker 2>had stores in like the rich side of the of town,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were expensive girl dolls. And I remember somebody

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<v Speaker 2>was pointing out out that they started turning their stars

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, good point. They were supposed to be like the

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<v Speaker 3>wholesome dolls, the anti brats and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>There was something about it where somebody was saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I may just be remembering wrong. So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of brats and I'm confusing it with that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're right about the American Girls Stark. So

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<v Speaker 3>ever since then, I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Whitman Chucky Whitman dolls had.

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<v Speaker 3>Some evil in them, because what was that whole trilogy

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<v Speaker 2>But the cond and that's part of conjuring. You're right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually liked the conjuring. Those are pretty good. But

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I don't know what to think about dam

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<v Speaker 2>Lorraine Warren kind of they seemed like I can't like,

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<v Speaker 2>are are they serious or they boom or con people? Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't figure it out, remember, I mean, I like

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<v Speaker 2>having that, but I haven't really investigated ed Lorraine Warrens.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure somebody out there and like knows the

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<v Speaker 2>whole you know, down low. But so yeah, so i'd

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<v Speaker 2>never seen Chucky and it was it was fun. It

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<v Speaker 2>was fun to watch with you. It was I guess

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<v Speaker 2>what I expected. Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Several sequels.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was gonna say, every one of these tonight

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<v Speaker 2>is like a franchise. Yeah, so I guess in a

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<v Speaker 2>sense they all ended up being successful and capitalized on

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<v Speaker 3>We bought the four most classic Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>Franchises, I think, Yeah, except we've already kind of done Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>So we did Halloween last year, so so you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do we got to move through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, same year as Child's Way, So this is a

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<v Speaker 3>big year for nineteen eighty eight had two good horror movies.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I may be wrong about the American

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<v Speaker 2>Girl thing. I just can't remember. There was something about

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<v Speaker 2>it I remember seeing, but it was like ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>But so Hellraiser two nineteen eighty eight. Clive Barker a

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<v Speaker 3>ritual magician, and we all know that the what's that

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<v Speaker 2>Limit configure, the Lament configuration.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a cube of Saturn, which is Kronas.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in the doghouse now because you will never remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember what it's called. Lament configuration.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's better than the Lamont configuration. Lamarty, Sanford is son.

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<v Speaker 2>Sanford's son is called Lamont.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't even know the sanfordance On song. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, what is that song? Like, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>Every Yeah, Okay, so we're gonna do Howards or two

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<v Speaker 3>because Helards aer one is just bringing the gooey band

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<v Speaker 3>back basically from the dead. So to get you caught up,

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<v Speaker 3>it was, uh dad, a step mom and a daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Stepmom's cheating with uncle Uncle dies got a raisin from

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<v Speaker 2>Right, somebody take the Hell Raiser box and put Lamont's

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<v Speaker 2>face on it. That would be funny and call it

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<v Speaker 2>the Lamont configuration.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, So this is where we get to meet Pinhead

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<v Speaker 3>as a human who is like on Safari or something,

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, So if you remember part two is the

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<v Speaker 2>woman from part one she went to Hell and now

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<v Speaker 3>There's so much altar and krole in this.

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<v Speaker 2>This I didn't expect that. So actually the best of

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<v Speaker 2>these in this this batch tonight was hell Raiser two,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was the one that I least expected to

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<v Speaker 2>actually find a significant amount of information and stuff in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this is when it immediately after Hell Raiser one,

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<v Speaker 3>the girl, the daughter wakes up in a psychic psychiatric hospital. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>we have such show you. I like to think of

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<v Speaker 3>Pinhead as just like an Emo teen and then everything

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<v Speaker 2>More goofy what we have such tea to show you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the Seven Wonders say it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>The Seven Sins that cenobites use the Seven Sins to

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<v Speaker 2>get their prey, and you can combat that with the

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<v Speaker 2>Seven Winners. I'm dry So no, no, I remember whish Master.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another Clive Barker.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so let's get into this with there's a

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<v Speaker 3>crazy brain surgery scene where they're talking about the brain

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<v Speaker 3>is labyrinth and the surgeons have to see it because

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<v Speaker 3>they are like curious sociopaths that just have to open

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<v Speaker 3>up the body to investigate and see what's going on inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this operates consistently on the macro micro principles, So

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<v Speaker 2>things that are small are little magical images and models

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<v Speaker 2>of the large or the real. So just like in Chucky,

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<v Speaker 2>voodoo dolls are little, you know, magical representations of the

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<v Speaker 2>thing they're supposed to represent. In Hell Raiser two, there's

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<v Speaker 2>all these references to the maze. At the beginning is

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<v Speaker 2>the person's brain that they are, that that crazy m

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<v Speaker 2>kilter doctor is experimenting on. And then the lament configuration

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<v Speaker 2>turns into a little maze which is also the the

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<v Speaker 2>shape of Leviathon, who is a giant cube pyramid thing

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<v Speaker 2>that is black that sends out the black light of Lucifer.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a triangle geometric.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a cute. It's two. It's not a triangle, it's well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a pyramid and a pyramid. It's like the ethereum logo, Yes,

421
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>stretched out.

422
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:55.319
<v Speaker 3>We even wrote that down. He's ether. So so in

423
00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:01.119
<v Speaker 3>the Psychic ward with the protagonist, girl is another little

424
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.039
<v Speaker 3>girl who's been there and she's like a genius at

425
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:09.559
<v Speaker 3>solving puzzles, who the doctor has kidnapped basically and made

426
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.720
<v Speaker 3>her to solve all the puzzles because he's obsessed with

427
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 3>this lament configuration.

428
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, and he's studying the spiritual insights that gifted kids

429
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:22.880
<v Speaker 2>have at puberty.

430
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Remember, yes, And then we find out there's another level

431
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.680
<v Speaker 3>of crazy people down below. They're really crazy that he's

432
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 3>been experimenting on and making them work on the boxes.

433
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>For him, like the Tristan level of Schizoh.

434
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so yeah. Hall is a massive labyrinth with Levithon

435
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.559
<v Speaker 3>at the center. There's Frank and Julia from the first

436
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 3>movie Cheat and Frank came back to life. Pinhead and

437
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Cenobites are servants of Leviathon.

438
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>And these are all humans who basically what happens we

439
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>realize we learn is that when they trick you to

440
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:05.480
<v Speaker 2>come to hell World, they lure you with what is

441
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 2>equivalent of the seven Deadly sins, right, so they lure

442
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:14.440
<v Speaker 2>you with pleasures with wealth and oh you know, Hell

443
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>is your greatest desires met. You know, it's beyond your

444
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>dreams and all this stuff. That's why Penned's always showing

445
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 2>you you have such sights to show you, right, and

446
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 2>he's like, your pleasure, what is your pleasure? And then

447
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>when you get there, you find out that you're the pain,

448
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.279
<v Speaker 2>which is their pleasure. So the demons, they're basically demons

449
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>who cert well they're humans who are servants now of

450
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the Giant Demon Cube pyramid, and they their job is

451
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>to trick you to come to help, and they'll do

452
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of things like they use the seven Deadly Sins, lost, greed,

453
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>whatever power and they offer it more, which is interest

454
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 2>because they claim that they can bring you back, right,

455
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 2>but you have to serve them. If you come back

456
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and you have you're not human anymore. That's why you

457
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>have to put on a flesh suit. So you're like

458
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a demon who has to be reclothed basically, which is

459
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>very gooey, very sticky. A lot of a lot of sticky,

460
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>gooey things in this. It's pretty gross.

461
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Uh. The doctor keeps occult things and has two

462
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 3>pictures of this was crazy and a sigil and like

463
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 3>Egyptian stuff and more boxes.

464
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Remember, so uh yeah, what we didn't expect was that

465
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>when you go to the crazy mental Doctor's psychiatric doctor's

466
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:46.559
<v Speaker 2>private room, it's a ritual room where he does ritual magic.

467
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>And he's got a picture of Crowley. Two pictures of Croley,

468
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.319
<v Speaker 2>one doing the you know whatever, and then one of

469
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>him doing the Hypocrates thing, and he's got a sigil

470
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>of something I can't really tell what it is. And

471
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>then he's got this mattress where he does his who

472
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>knows what. So I'm gonna warn you at not recommending

473
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>watch this movie. If you do watch it, when you

474
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.519
<v Speaker 2>get to the scene, skip past it. It's probably the grossest,

475
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.519
<v Speaker 2>one of the grossest things, because he brings in a

476
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.920
<v Speaker 2>crazy dude who cuts himself. It's pretty gross and I

477
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 2>don't like gross stuff, so we skip past that part.

478
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 2>If you do want to watch this movie, skip past.

479
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not recommending it. But the thing about Hell Razor

480
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>two is that it was, in a sense pretty accurate.

481
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, did I wouldn't have expected Clive Barker, who

482
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 2>is a Skittles satanist, like openly, like he's into ritual magic,

483
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Like he's kind of telling the truth here. It's weird.

484
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:50.319
<v Speaker 2>It's like these cenobytes are demons and they trick you

485
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>into coming to Hell world through the you know, seven

486
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.279
<v Speaker 2>deadly sense and when you get there and they're like,

487
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>You're like, where's my chicks? And they're like, we have

488
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 2>such pain to show you right now. Now. They're like hah,

489
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:05.559
<v Speaker 2>we tricked you. Now we're going to torture you and

490
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>feed on your pain.

491
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

492
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's like literally what demons would do, right, But.

493
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 3>There's something that like that doctor got transformed and he

494
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 3>was all ecstatic about it.

495
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.239
<v Speaker 2>So yes, so the doctor is experimenting because he wants

496
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to learn the secrets of magic and the other dimensions

497
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 2>in the other worlds, which is pretty crazy. And so

498
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 2>I forgot this. There's all these references to mc escher.

499
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 2>So there's these references to other dimensions, higher dimensions, other

500
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.199
<v Speaker 2>worlds which are spiritual worlds, so to speak. And we

501
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>know that the Lament configuration cube can open the portals.

502
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 2>They're like keys to opening the dimensions.

503
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh so I've found out by looking. They don't tell

504
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 3>you this in the movie, but the box, I mean,

505
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.199
<v Speaker 3>in the whole series, they tell you that the boxes

506
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 3>were created by a diabolical murderer or a sadistic toymaker,

507
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 3>depending on the comic or the movie version. And apparently

508
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 3>there's like two hundred of these things floating around, two

509
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 3>hundred keys to the portals of Hell.

510
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so I don't recommend So number one is a

511
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>different kind of movie. It's all takes place basically in

512
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 2>one house and in the attic where they're feeding this

513
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 2>dude people so that he can evolve from goo into

514
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.960
<v Speaker 2>a person. It's very gooey. Hell Raiser two is more

515
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 2>about Pinhead and the cenobites and this crazy m Kilder doctor.

516
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.320
<v Speaker 2>But it's got a couple of pretty gross scenes.

517
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 3>So again, she is dripping blood everywhere in one scene.

518
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so when she comes back, she doesn't have skin,

519
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:46.119
<v Speaker 2>and so then she tricks the doctor into feeding her

520
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 2>mental patience so that she can get their skin back,

521
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 2>and she like sucks on their like glands, or she

522
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 2>does something in the back of their neck. I don't

523
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:57.199
<v Speaker 2>know what's back there.

524
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 3>But oh so in the end of this whole story,

525
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 3>like at the end of all the hell Raisers, apparently

526
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 3>the door to holl is finally closed in twenty one

527
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven by transforming a space station into a giant

528
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 3>puzzle box.

529
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I actually I remember I think I've

530
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 2>seen the hell Razor in space. It's oh really it's terrible,

531
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I think I did see that. I remember

532
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 2>that a long time ago.

533
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Make sure if you even look at this movie to

534
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 3>fast forward, because I put in the note worst love

535
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.039
<v Speaker 3>scene I've ever seen, sad face?

536
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 2>So, which which was the scene?

537
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 3>I think I've forgotten it out of my like pushed

538
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.519
<v Speaker 3>it out of my brain. But it was probably pretty bad.

539
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>She might have been, Oh, it's because she's gooey. Yeah,

540
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>so yes, I looked at it. I looked the way.

541
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't show any sex parts, but this chick is gooey. Dude,

542
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:00.719
<v Speaker 2>like drippy. I'm talking about like like dripping. I don't

543
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>mean in a sexual way, I mean just literally like nugat,

544
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Speaker 2>like hot nugat, hot steaming nugat, dripping out of a

545
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>freaking snicker.

546
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 3>Dude, Well, did you notice you? He said, you have

547
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.639
<v Speaker 3>to want the pleasures of the box for them to come,

548
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 3>because even if you solve the box, the person that

549
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 3>wanted to meet them is the one they're going to

550
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:24.199
<v Speaker 3>go after.

551
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 2>This is what I don't understand about the box. So

552
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>they need the kids to open the box.

553
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.360
<v Speaker 3>The docks. The doctor, the curly doctor needed the kid

554
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 3>to open the box. But when this sinem because I

555
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.119
<v Speaker 3>don't know, he wasn't good enough to do it. He

556
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 3>couldn't figure out how to open him.

557
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, because you need a little spurgy genius to do

558
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>the Rubik's cube. Okay, that makes it so. Actually the

559
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Spurgy kids know how to solve the Rubik's cube, and

560
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 2>they are the they're the key to open the portal

561
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.320
<v Speaker 2>because the doctor he's not smart enough to solve it.

562
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.119
<v Speaker 3>Right, So when the cinobites, when the little girl solves

563
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 3>it and the cinebites come, they're like, we're taking him

564
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 3>because it's him who wanted us, not the girl who

565
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 3>actually solved.

566
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>The thing, right. She didn't know what she was doing.

567
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:20.599
<v Speaker 2>And then she's like Spurgy. And then when the portal

568
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>opens up, they walk in and it's all the woman

569
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 2>who's organized this because she her job is to just

570
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 2>bring souls to Leviathan.

571
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Right.

572
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Now, here's the point I wanted to make about. What

573
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:38.119
<v Speaker 2>was interesting was that so typically you think of angels

574
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 2>or demons as you know, these like horned figures or

575
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>winged figures. And what was weird about this was that

576
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.280
<v Speaker 2>when you see Leviathan, he's just a big floating triangle cube.

577
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:49.960
<v Speaker 3>He's a geometric shape.

578
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it reminds me of the geometric shapes in

579
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one when Bow is leaving the dimensions,

580
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.800
<v Speaker 2>he goes into like outside of time and space, and

581
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 2>he starts seeing when he goes in the the black hole,

582
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>he starts seeing these geometric shapes and he sees seven

583
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.599
<v Speaker 2>diamonds appear in front of him. And I actually wrote

584
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.320
<v Speaker 2>in my essay that they could signify God's or deities.

585
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 2>And so it's just odd because I didn't remember that

586
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:31.599
<v Speaker 2>this presents the demon in this geometric form. So, and

587
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.639
<v Speaker 2>the geometric form of the demon corresponds to the cube,

588
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:38.239
<v Speaker 2>which is interesting because right, the cube can be turned

589
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.760
<v Speaker 2>on its point and it becomes saturn, it becomes the hexagram. Yeah,

590
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and there's all the references to Esher, right, and Escher's

591
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.039
<v Speaker 2>art and paintings, I don't know. He doesn't have any paintings.

592
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 2>All of his drawings are dimensional based drawings. If you

593
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.039
<v Speaker 2>look at the Hofstainer book gardell As Bock, he points

594
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.400
<v Speaker 2>out how the mathematics of Esher's drawings all points to

595
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>like dimensional physics.

596
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.639
<v Speaker 3>Well, because the other site is chaotic, well.

597
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>It's slippery, so to speak, like it doesn't operate on

598
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 2>the physics of this dimension exactly. So you can have

599
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 2>a door that you know, cuts through space and time

600
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 2>to another place. And that's why it's very similar to

601
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.039
<v Speaker 2>when Sarah goes into the Labyrinth. Yes, and Labyrinth. It's

602
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.119
<v Speaker 2>all also based on mc esher's dimensional art.

603
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you notice when the Little Girl first runs

604
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Speaker 3>into the Labyrinth, it's like evil Carnival with evil clowns and.

605
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, a bunch of the d mt bros talk about

606
00:40:53.559 --> 00:41:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the circus Funhouse carnival dimensions. Oh really, it's a recurring

607
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>thing that d mt bros say they see.

608
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty crazy. I like the chattering teeth guy the

609
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 3>best I think, Ye, which one is your favorite cinebyite?

610
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Speaker 2>The fat guy that spits CDs? Oh yeah, it's so stupid.

611
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I bet afterwards he was like, all right, yeah, this

612
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 2>one is totally retarded, So maybe just get rid of

613
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 2>that one. That's like the worst dumbest cinebyte. So allo,

614
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the one that spits laser does pinhead.

615
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 3>In one of his lines, he says something kind of

616
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.400
<v Speaker 3>like what the surgeons are saying at the beginning when

617
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 3>they're doing brain surgery is that they want to know

618
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:43.599
<v Speaker 3>your flesh. And so there's this connection between the doctors,

619
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.239
<v Speaker 3>the surgeons, and the demons.

620
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, it reminds me of the Twin Peaks. The

621
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 2>demonic and twin peaks Bob and the man from another place.

622
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.679
<v Speaker 2>He wants his garment bosia, and that when Bob brings

623
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of blood and he drops them on the

624
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.559
<v Speaker 2>floor and he said, there you are, there's your pain

625
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 2>and suffering, your garment bosia. So he identifies the food

626
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 2>as the pain and the suffering, and we know that,

627
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 2>you know that seems to be as we were talking

628
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>about with Surf and Hamilton the other night, the currency

629
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<v Speaker 2>in the food of the demonic Realm is human pain

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<v Speaker 2>and suffering. So it's almost like food, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the energy cubes of the transformers is like the human

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<v Speaker 2>pain and suffering. That's what they feed on. And another

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<v Speaker 2>point I wanted to make too was when they go

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<v Speaker 2>to Lebiathan, when you go to the center of the Maze.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Hell, which they refer to him as the god

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<v Speaker 3>of flesh, hunger, and desire.

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<v Speaker 2>Leith, Yeah, well makes sense why he would have cinobytes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So when you get to the to the center of

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<v Speaker 2>the maze and he's in his cube pyramid form flowing

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<v Speaker 2>up there he has it's like a I don't know

641
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<v Speaker 2>what to discribe. It's like a demonic version of a

642
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<v Speaker 2>what do you call the light that the ship's lighthouse,

643
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<v Speaker 2>like a demonic version of a lighthouse. And he has

644
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<v Speaker 2>this black beam that scans around like like surn or

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<v Speaker 2>something order, and when the black beam hits you, it

646
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<v Speaker 2>like penetrates your whole being. And it just made me

647
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<v Speaker 2>think of like a reverse version of theosis. So rather

648
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<v Speaker 2>than being deified by the divine energies and participating in

649
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<v Speaker 2>divine life, this is the demonic inversion of this that

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to the hell world, Leviathan reverse inverse

651
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<v Speaker 2>deifies you through the satanic black light. It penetrates your

652
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<v Speaker 2>whole being, and then you become a cenobite. You become

653
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<v Speaker 2>demonicized instead of deified.

654
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<v Speaker 3>Well, the evil Doctor got what he asked for.

655
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he becomes a cenobite.

656
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<v Speaker 3>Immortality through becoming a brain sucking cinema. Yes. And then yeah,

657
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<v Speaker 3>the demons trick you into becoming a sacrifice for them.

658
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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

659
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<v Speaker 3>Pinhead has a thing for Kirsty, the girl who's runs

660
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<v Speaker 3>in the movies Christy Cotton. Yeah. Uh, he always spares

661
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<v Speaker 3>her for some reason.

662
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<v Speaker 2>Well, in this one, she shows up and somehow has

663
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<v Speaker 2>a picture of him because.

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<v Speaker 3>She reminded him that he was human ones.

665
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he was a British soldier at the time

666
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<v Speaker 2>of World War One, I think. And then he somehow

667
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<v Speaker 2>got ahold of the cube and he was doing meditation

668
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<v Speaker 2>and he wanted to solve the mysteries, right, So he

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<v Speaker 2>was on this quest I guess for esoteric knowledge, and

670
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<v Speaker 2>then the cube is he solves it and then gets

671
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<v Speaker 2>tricked into being into Hell, right, and then he gets

672
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<v Speaker 2>turned into a cenobite, so he's forgotten that he was human,

673
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<v Speaker 2>and she reminded him of that with that picture, and

674
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<v Speaker 2>then she let him go, and then they ended up

675
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<v Speaker 2>all the cinnobytes had to fight the crazy doctor, the

676
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<v Speaker 2>evil doctor cinebite because he's like, I'm taking over Hell now, right, yeah,

677
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<v Speaker 2>like you do? But he actually they so they turn

678
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<v Speaker 2>human again, the cenobites and die. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and one of them was a little boy or

680
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<v Speaker 3>something like. It wasn't what you would expect.

681
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<v Speaker 2>But I don't understand. So one thing I didn't get

682
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<v Speaker 2>was why does where does Penn had come back? If

683
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<v Speaker 2>he's been turned into a human and killed, does he

684
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<v Speaker 2>still go to Hell? That would suck, right, I don't know.

685
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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the other Hellraisers take place in a different time.

686
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think we're just supposed to think

687
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<v Speaker 2>that when he dies, he goes to Hell and then

688
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<v Speaker 2>he's just turned into Pinhead again because in the third one,

689
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<v Speaker 2>which is terrible, he comes back as Pinhead memory. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we watched like minutes, Yes, but we didn't because there's

691
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<v Speaker 2>that pull the art post with all the faces on it, Yeah,

692
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<v Speaker 2>which becomes the new portal. Yeah, and so the artist

693
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<v Speaker 2>that one's one thing that is interesting about that one,

694
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<v Speaker 2>which is terrible. I don't recommend it at all, but

695
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<v Speaker 2>it's an artist who basically has a deal with Pinhead

696
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<v Speaker 2>or and the demons to be successful as an artist,

697
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<v Speaker 2>but he has to bring sacrificial victions to Pinhead.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, howras What do you.

699
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<v Speaker 2>Think is that the end? What's at the end? On

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<v Speaker 2>the notes?

701
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<v Speaker 3>They were once human? She closes the portal to Hell,

702
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<v Speaker 3>but they don't believe her to destroy the mass.

703
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<v Speaker 2>There was one other thing about the who is the

704
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<v Speaker 2>blonde check? Was that in the third one?

705
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<v Speaker 3>No, this was the second one. No, the blonde girl

706
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<v Speaker 3>was a prisoner of the evil doctor who found out

707
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<v Speaker 3>she was good at puzzles. So he's the.

708
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<v Speaker 2>Person who ends up looking like it's she meets Pinhead

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<v Speaker 2>in his human form in the dream realm? Is that

710
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<v Speaker 2>part three?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's fir okay.

712
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<v Speaker 2>Never mind, I'm getting three part three, an I do. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me point out too that we will have the

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<v Speaker 2>chats here in a minute. Remember, guys, after this is

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<v Speaker 2>to after debating for hours today in Discord and doing

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<v Speaker 2>this lovely show with my wife Jamie also having a

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<v Speaker 2>debate after.

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<v Speaker 3>This, do you want to save the next two for

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<v Speaker 3>like maybe a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of days, So yeah, you know, I think we should. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do the super chats and then we'll do which

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<v Speaker 2>ones are left. Night Maroll on Elm Street Friday thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>Then and what.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it? Well, a little bit of Halloween two thousand

755
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<v Speaker 3>and seven, but we had to turn that off.

756
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll pick Yeah, that one's too gruesome, So maybe

757
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<v Speaker 2>we'll pick another eighties horror movie that we didn't do.

758
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<v Speaker 2>So I saw some trailer information stuff for like Freddy

759
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<v Speaker 2>two and three. Even though they looked terrible, they actually

760
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<v Speaker 2>looked interesting and similar to the hell Raiser thing Freddy,

761
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<v Speaker 2>because Freddy brings you to like the hell world, the

762
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<v Speaker 2>dream world.

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<v Speaker 3>Freddy two is really weird and it has its own

764
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<v Speaker 3>yea following because it's a Skittles. There's a lot of

765
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<v Speaker 3>inuns that they call it the.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember watching two or three where they can't get

767
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<v Speaker 2>out of the dream world and it kind of creeped

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<v Speaker 2>me out.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in the nineties, well, the new reboot Freddy they

770
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<v Speaker 3>did with the guy from Watchman Ruschak, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

771
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<v Speaker 3>he played Freddy and he wasn't a killer at all.

772
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<v Speaker 3>He was falsely accused by the parents or something like that.

773
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<v Speaker 3>He was a slow boy that just liked kids. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember if he actually did it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I wish to watch those and put that in

776
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<v Speaker 2>there instead.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's Jason Halloween. Yeah, that's next Friday the thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jamie had never seen the first one, so she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that the first one wasn't about Jason. Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the twist surprised me because it's a lot like Psycho.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why everybody likes the first Friday thirteenth because it's

783
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<v Speaker 2>a twist, okay, and then it gets goofy and goofyer

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<v Speaker 2>and goofyer with So if you thought Michael Myers was bad,

785
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<v Speaker 2>like Jason is the ultimate, like dude, like, how many

786
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<v Speaker 2>times can this guy die? It's like over the top.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one of them. I think it's like part four

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<v Speaker 2>or five, where like the whole movie is basically just

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<v Speaker 2>dying and he's still after like like he falls off

790
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<v Speaker 2>a tractor and gets run over and he you know,

791
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<v Speaker 2>gets blown up and and he doesn't stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Just kidding, right, So we're gonna do Stephen.

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<v Speaker 2>King movies, Yes, the good and the bad and more

794
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<v Speaker 2>bad than good. There's plenty of awful Stephen King movies, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna do b movies that we're good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as you know, we do good bad movies, right,

797
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<v Speaker 2>Golden Trash, B horror that was good. Yeah. B movies

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<v Speaker 2>with a message, one of which is Spellbinder by the way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well if you're looking for a B version, Eyes White

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<v Speaker 2>Shut Spellbinder.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we might do like Trolls and Leprechaun just

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<v Speaker 3>for fun. Yeah. Someone said Leprechaun with Snoop Dogg. That

803
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<v Speaker 3>sounds fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Lepre Control are also yeah, classic kind of garbage movies.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, so now you can do October with us

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen King and b Horn.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to get to these super chaps? Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, okay, Supreme gentlewoman five dollars. Jim Goad continuously claims

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<v Speaker 3>you backed out of a debate on the truth of Christianity.

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<v Speaker 3>He asserts great apologists like yourself refuse to debate him

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<v Speaker 3>because of his ma AQ. Is there a chance we

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<v Speaker 3>could see this debate happen? Thanks Shane.

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<v Speaker 2>So, uh, the reason we didn't debate was because we

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<v Speaker 2>had an email exchange. If I recall maybe five or

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<v Speaker 2>ten emails back and forth over whether the word eternal

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<v Speaker 2>covenant means that the Old Testament is an eternal covenant

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<v Speaker 2>and therefore there could never be a new covenant. So

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<v Speaker 2>we spent about ten emails going back and forth about that,

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<v Speaker 2>and his interpretation was had no flexibility or allowance for news,

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't think there would be any point in

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<v Speaker 2>having that debate. But no, it had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with saying that he had a low IQ or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I just didn't think the debate would go

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere given the rigidity that he had about a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of verses dealing with the Old Testament. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think there would be any point in that debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Had nothing to do with anybody's like you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, the green Feathers ten dollars, I hate Halloween stores

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<v Speaker 3>and destiny. Check out the video I uploaded on Orthodox fasting.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's that.

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<v Speaker 2>In the chat? Assuming means his channel? Oh green Feather's channel,

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<v Speaker 2>I presume.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Brian Gumbel two dollars spectacular stream Jay, what you

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<v Speaker 3>think about destiny saying suppositionalists suck because two people debating

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<v Speaker 3>who claimed to have morality from God can't get anywhere

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<v Speaker 3>in the debate. Elemo, Well, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is just a misunderstanding, as many kind of basic bitch

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<v Speaker 2>atheists have about what presubsitionalism is right. They think that

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<v Speaker 2>it means that you just have presubpositions and nobody can

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<v Speaker 2>debate presubpositions. That's, of course not what the debate or

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<v Speaker 2>presubsitionalism is. In fact, the transmittal argument is a formal

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<v Speaker 2>logical argument, right. You can put it into a disjunctive

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<v Speaker 2>X as a necessary condition of why why therefore X.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's just not what presubsitionalism is.

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<v Speaker 3>Nicodemus three dollars, Hey, j are you going to do

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<v Speaker 3>an analysis of squid game? Could get mad views considering

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<v Speaker 3>its popularity. Don't want to spoil it, but has some

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<v Speaker 3>stuff suitable for your film analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a brand new show that's going super popular about

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<v Speaker 3>as far as I can tell, kind of like Logan's

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<v Speaker 3>Run or what's the one with the games the Hunger

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<v Speaker 3>not Handinger games?

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<v Speaker 2>But like where you have to Yeah, okay, yeah, cool, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll check it out. Sounds cool. I don't know about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, okay, McKay The King of Mikhail, the King

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<v Speaker 3>of Kings. Five dollars? What up? King Jay and Queen

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<v Speaker 3>Jamie God bless Jay in regards to your thearine action

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<v Speaker 3>figures being used for the forces of black Magic. Check

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<v Speaker 3>out the Clive Barker Tortured Soul series that Todd McFarlane

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<v Speaker 3>put out for children to purchase in toy stores. Okay there,

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<v Speaker 3>Clive Barker Tortured Souls. Okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And Tom McFarlane is the guy that did Spawn, which

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the worst movies of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>And the first weird stuff I did that I don't

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<v Speaker 3>sell anymore. I talk a lot about toys. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>know one. Roger Cheetah Kennedy, Leon Kennedy, you both are awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you recommend any philosophical books on the difference between

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<v Speaker 3>the correspondence, utilitarian and coherence model of truth and why

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<v Speaker 3>coherence is superior? Also, I heard Bruce Campbell has been

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<v Speaker 3>doing more YouTube stuff. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bruce Campbell did reply to the email. He said

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<v Speaker 2>he was just too busy at the time to come on,

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<v Speaker 2>but we would like to probably try again, maybe in

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<v Speaker 2>a few months and see if he would come back

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<v Speaker 2>and or actually come on right since he has been

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. So that's a great idea. Really, the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing would be just the bonjour text on epistemology. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's an introduction book that Father Deacon recommends. It's used

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<v Speaker 2>in graduate undergraduate philosophy classes for epistemology one oh one,

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<v Speaker 2>and that will give you the different positions on truth

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<v Speaker 2>and coherence. Theory is just true in one aspect, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're not as presuppositionalists bound to a secular theory have coherence.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that they have some good critiques of the

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<v Speaker 2>correspondence and foundationalist views. K Roger Chido, that's an awesome name.

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<v Speaker 3>Roger Cheeto twelve dollars. Who wins in a sax Off

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<v Speaker 3>Sweaty sax Man from Lost Boys or Bill Pullman.

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<v Speaker 2>In Lost Highway, Fred Madison or Tim Capello. Tim Capello

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<v Speaker 2>wins because Tim Cappello literally doesn't care about anything. If

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<v Speaker 2>you can wear a literal chain around your neck like

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<v Speaker 2>a dolt, like a like a chain link chain with

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<v Speaker 2>giant padlocks and spandex and be oiled up and play

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<v Speaker 2>a saxophone, yeah, like you don't care, dude. And the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with Fred Madison is that he is cucked and

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<v Speaker 2>cares about everything, Like he's freaking out over just thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that his wife might be cheating, and he basically has

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<v Speaker 2>a meltdown playing the Sacks, So I mean, who does that?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell you? Right? There is gonna win. Tim Capello.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like twice his size too, so yeah, yeah, Russian

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<v Speaker 3>Messenger five dollars. Great work you two are making. Keep

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<v Speaker 3>it up, Jay and Jamie. God bless thank you, bless you.

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<v Speaker 2>Chanks Dog. Sorry we didn't get to the other ones,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're gonna have to do this debate here in

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes, so guys stick around. I'm gonna create

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<v Speaker 2>the zoom link and within a few minutes, Uh, Pedro

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<v Speaker 2>and I will be debating. Now. Pedro is over on

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<v Speaker 2>the Crucible, so you probably saw him with beautiful Tristana

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<v Speaker 2>last night. Uh. Pedro is a nice guy, so we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a nice, friendly civil debate. It'll be formal.

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<v Speaker 3>It will close the portals.

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<v Speaker 2>hope you enjoyed it. Uh, we'll do what Freddy and more,

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<v Speaker 2>Freddie and Jason. Yeah, okay, all right, so we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back in about ten to fifteen minutes.