Speaker 1: And man's anthropology.
Speaker 2: As I said, without the right theology.
Speaker 3: The talbot then.
Speaker 2: Don't see from the sea. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The logos is the icon of Father, and man is
the icon of God. H we are the image of.
Speaker 2: Godha God dire Wave three, it says, kicking off Spootober,
spooky scary lights, blood goo gooey, you get centers inside
of creatures that turn into other things. Evolution, Bro, do
you like Halloween?
Speaker 3: No? I don't like all of the crap in the
stores already, all the Halloween stuff.
Speaker 2: I want spirit Halloween to take over every strip.
Speaker 3: Malling creature in every country, don't you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't like him, So welcome everybody. We're just
coming off the heels of the unhinged and psychotic debater
Tristan aka Tristana, who we are no longer associated with.
We are better than him, and we just want to
burchase signal to point out how better we are because
Destiny won the debate last night. Psychic Anyway tonight is
a special feature because we're not just covering the eighty
spooky classics. I'll also be doing a debate immediately after
this stream, so I'm not at full steam I'm actually
taking my tongue cat which we'll discuss later, to help
me have the energy to spurg out and be mean
to Pedro. I'm just joking, not gonna be mean to Pedro,
Pedro from the Crucible, who I believe is a Protestant
as far as I understand, we will be doing a
debate immediately after this live stream, So tonight we're gonna
cover for Spook Toober kicking it off. You know last
year we did Hereditary. Do you remember that we did Hereditary?
Halloween three fun stuff Classic John Carpenter. There, I forget
what else we did PP three e more Days too,
hallo Ween Halloween, hallo Ween, three more days to hallowen
su Verse Chamrock you look that up. That will never
leave your head. You will go insane. So we got
Child's play Chuck aka Chucky. If you've ever heard of Chucky,
you know Chuck, not Chuck d Chucky, No public not
public enemies Chucky, Chucky.
Speaker 3: Chucky, my buddy Chucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is my buddy. Yeah, my body and kids, sister, kids, sister, kid,
sister and me.
Speaker 3: This is the first scary movie I ever saw as
child traumatized. It messed me up towards dolls. Yes, dolls
are have some evil in them. And ever since I
saw Child's Play that one and Candy Man, I was
about twelve years old, and I've never seen a scary
movie before, and I saw Chucky, I've never been the same.
Speaker 2: I don't think dolls are scary at all. I think
they're ridiculous. And I don't think clowns are scary at all.
So I don't know why people are scared of dolls
and clowns. It makes me laugh.
Speaker 3: They're creepy. It's like, while as we shall see, there
is a lot of voodoo in Child's Play, you thought
it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people like I can't hear you. The
sound is off, the sound is significantly I have a phone.
Speaker 1: Well, as we shall see sounds.
Speaker 2: Perfect to me. There is so I don't understand these.
Maybe everybody else got broke ears. Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Is it working? Okay?
Speaker 2: We sound beautiful?
Speaker 3: Okay. So Child's Play nineteen eighty eight there is a killer,
a serial killer on the loose, who is killed by
a cop and he puts his soul into adult it's.
Speaker 2: Actually Brad Dwarf aka Grima worm tongue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like a strangler, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Scranton Strangler.
Speaker 3: Well do you remember we saw the new Chucky reboot
in the theater?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was about AI, yeah, being possessed and
basically killing everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was scary and on point.
Speaker 2: They were like, what if Chucky was run by Skynett?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this one is good old fashioned calling upon
the dark powers of voodoo to put yourself into adult
so that you can continue your serial killer career.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, this I've never I'd never seen this. I
don't know how or why. I never had an interest
in Chucky. I didn't think it would be good. I
didn't really get to My parents didn't let me watch
horror movies in the eighties, and I didn't really want to.
I was scared of horror movies, although they were all
like devils me too. So now I like horror movies,
not like the really gross stuff. But now that I'm
grown up and evolved and I'm an atheist and I'm
not superstitious anymore, I'm not afraid of horror movies.
Speaker 3: So I have balls, as they say, Well, now that
I've seen many horror movies and going back and watching
this one, from my childhood. This was a pretty good
horror movie. I'll give it a solid B plus as
a like, well, okay, there's that.
Speaker 2: It's a fun eighties movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah there's the consumerism because.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I told you to make a note of that.
That's right.
Speaker 3: The cereal and the cartoon and everything is like peak
eighties consumer the doll everything you have to have. He's
even dressed in the clothes of the guy the dolls.
The dolls called the good guys.
Speaker 2: Right, bump bup bump bum bum bump bump bump bump,
bump bump bump bumpin right, And both Gremlins and Child's
Play are about to a degree consumerism. Do you remember
the whole end scene where because it's all about buying
the latest gadget and fad, the dad is looking for
a unique present for his sons and he's a failed inventor,
remember that. So he goes and finds this like retarded
Ferbee dealer in Chinatown who sells retarded, demonic Ferby's, and
you know you can't get them wet, right, So he
brings that home and then the end sequence of Gremlins
my interpretition Grimlins, I know we're not doing Gridlins, but
it's a Christmas movie. Actually is that it's about the
rampant consumerism is essentially demonic, and then the whole society
is has havoc reeked upon it, like the Gremlins reek
upon the small town.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then then in Grimlins Too, they go to the
Twin Towers basically under Clamp Industries. It's Trump. It's obviously Trump,
which is pretty crazy, and they wreak havoc and destroy
the towers. So it's almost like a Twin Towers reference.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Gremlin's too, Clamp is his name instead of Trump.
Speaker 2: Clamp. That's it. And then, uh, the last Gremlin is
a transition to Grimlin, like like Tristana Lady Kremlin.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Well, it's no, it's literally a transition to Gremlin because
of it's a boy gremlin who puts on. No, it's
a boy gremlin who puts on That's how it ends anyway.
So that's about consumerism, and this is also about that indirectly,
because everybody is obsessed with these toys and they're almost
like replacement father figures. So the kid in this movie
has no father and they speak of the toy as
if it's he treats the toy like his replacement father figure.
Speaker 3: And uh, did you notice there's crazy he's making breakfast,
he's putting sugar on top of sugar cereal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all these references to the CONSUMERI as pop
culture stuff. Yeah, and then the it's sugar cereal.
Speaker 3: Literally do you remember Country crocs spread.
Speaker 2: Family? I know it didn't go away.
Speaker 3: Food. Please don't ever eat, buy or eat that. Our
family ate it too.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I know that will kill you. No more Country.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not even like Margarine. Right, it's another
third thing, butter Margarine third thing.
Speaker 3: Somebody said, who's Jamie?
Speaker 2: This is my wife? This is my wife. That's a joke.
What dog feelings hert It's a joke. Come on, we're
on a live stream.
Speaker 3: It's a little dude's birthday and she's a single mom
and she had to buy the cursed doll from a
film the Peddler because she couldn't afford the new doll remember,
And then oh have you ever heard of lol dolls?
Speaker 2: Is that like brats?
Speaker 3: Kind of? But there's these crazy new things that if
you put him in hot water, they show their underwear
and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, lol, dolls, I'm just used to playing with brats.
Speaker 3: Oh do you remember, like you were saying, the dollis'
replacement family dad. That's like last Action Hero.
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say, is that Arnold
in the movie they make it clear that he's a
replacement dad figure. He even Arnold even says that about
the movie because it's a Mada movie. Really good. By
the way, Tristana said, Margarine is motor oil. The whole
chat thing now that you're mad at me over the joke.
When I said this, they said, I'm sleeping outside tonight.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: It's a joke. Obviously.
Speaker 3: Have you ever noticed that the well meaning friend always
gets killed?
Speaker 2: That's that well, I thought, not always, because.
Speaker 3: In a horror movie, if you're like the person's best
friend and you offer to do something for them, that
last task is going to cost you your life in
most horror and this is what happened.
Speaker 2: My whiteboard has its own profile and it says that
if I tell you, don't your feelings hurt, it's like
throwing a cinder block and a dryer while running source silently. Okay,
I sleep alone tonight. I sleep in the doghouse every night, y'all,
because we literally have a doghouse out back. It's Snoop
dog House and it's like all pen It's a giant
doghouse that's pimped out and Snoop Doggs sleeps there and
it's called the doghouse.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the guy who made a dog living
room for his dogs. It's pretty cute.
Speaker 2: That's rampant consumerism. Yeah, consumerism goes crazy when the pets
are treated like humans and given houses and spas and
pedicures and like nipple replacement or whatever the pets are given.
I made up that last one. You didn't even catch it.
I was reading nipple replacement, so she doesn't even listen
to what I say. I just showed you, guys. I
ran a test and I listed things and I said,
nipple replacement. You're like, who, pretty sure dogs don't get
nipple replacement. The rich ones came, my whiteboard is literally
a wife, so my whiteboard has its own profile and
it's here, go ahead.
Speaker 3: The doll makes the kid take him to the ghetto
and find his serial killer.
Speaker 2: Partner so that he can kill the serial killer partner.
Speaker 3: As the doll Yeah, Eddie Caputo isn't that.
Speaker 2: But what doesn't make sense about this scene is why
does he even Oh, that's right, because he thinks that
the Voodoo guy can save him. Because I was thinking, yeah,
like he's got he's he's found the perfect escape as
a villain. Nobody's ever going to find him inside of
a chucky So why does he even care about killing
this guy? And then I realized it's because he thinks
he's going to be human again. Yeah, and then he
has to take care of If he takes care of
his of the guy, well he's a doll, then then
he's he's good.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was weird they had seal serial
killer partners. Why because you always think of them working alone,
but when.
Speaker 2: You do Dave McGowan, Yeah, like partner exactly. That's a
good point. Yeah, serial killers are usually working in a
team or repairs, not random loan nuts.
Speaker 3: And his house has like crazy serial killer art murals
remember that part, And we were looking at the serial
killer art they always have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when they go to Brad Dorf's house, it
looks like the artwork of John Wayne Gacy and or
Jack of working with like voodoo. Yeah, and he's got
a giant voodoo mural babies of like yeah, and he's
got it. Nothing had like cannibalist stuff in it.
Speaker 3: No, it has the creator God Dumbala on it, that's right.
Speaker 2: And it was some yeah deity from voodoo.
Speaker 3: Right. So then he goes to the voodoo mentor's house
and it was like, how do I get out of
this doll? Remember? Like what happened to me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, basically you asked me to do it,
but you didn't ask me if I could turn you back.
It's like sorry, bro.
Speaker 3: So then he gets revenge on his guy.
Speaker 2: You would have think you would, You would assume he
would have asked, right, like beforehand? You know, is this reversible? Right?
It's kind of like it's kind of like getting your
male member removed.
Speaker 3: He's turning into uh, like a human doll hybrid, and
so he has to get his soul out of the doll.
That's right, because he's becoming more like a Yeah, he's
becoming a real boy in a dull body.
Speaker 2: Serial killer Pinocchio, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: Serial. So he calls on Chango and Santaia Macombe and
tries to invoke all his God's suppost soul into the kid.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now, uh, this is a perfect setup for
a joke, uh serial killer Pinocchio. So take the name
Pinocchio and turn it into uh serial killer.
Speaker 3: But it has to have like Ochio Pinocchio, Lee Ray,
Charles Pinocchio.
Speaker 2: No, like what serial killer name? Does Pinocchio sound like?
Is there a serial killer with?
Speaker 3: Oh? John Wayne Pinocchio doesn't sound like Pinocchio stalker? No?
Speaker 2: Like does any Nobody understands what I'm saying? Am I
the only person who gets Am I the only one
that gets me?
Speaker 3: You want of Pinocchio?
Speaker 2: I'm like a teen and I'm the only one that
gets me.
Speaker 3: Whose name sounds like?
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the serial killers.
Speaker 3: Zodiacs?
Speaker 2: No, that doesn't work, So Sam Damer Bundy, No Manson Ramirez, Uh,
David Pinocchio Ray, David Parker Ray. That one's pretty close.
Speaker 3: The piece stands for Pinocchio. Well, in this movie, his
name is Charles Lee Ray. So he has the triple
serial killer name.
Speaker 2: Pinocchio Del Toro, serial killer, Pierre Pacchiani. He's the Monster
of Florence Pierre Pinocchio. Alright, this is too dumb, I
thought there would be an easy one, but no, John
Wayne Pinocchio.
Speaker 3: Just make it totally family.
Speaker 2: Like Manson. Yeah, they're getting worse and worse. I'm sure
the chat can help. I mean, somebody in the chat
can come up with a what kind of serial killer
is Chucky? Anyway? I'm sorry, this is I'm derailing and
destroying everything.
Speaker 3: The movies almost over because she has to.
Speaker 2: Oh the other the other thing I was thinking is
that what if this is just a crazy thought. What
if toys are vood because we think of voodoo dolls, right,
like little dolls. What if mass consumption pop toy culture
is voodoo. What if the toy companies are literally like
trying to I mean, it's entirely possible. There's occultis everywhere.
What if the heads of the toy companies are like
doing what they think is voodoo with toys.
Speaker 3: Chuck, No, that's the best one you're gonna get. What Chucknocchio?
I like it.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. Chuck.
Speaker 3: Who Manson instead of Chucky and Pinocchio? Chuck nought?
Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out who the serial killer is? Whosuck?
I like that? Chuck Manson, Chucky Manson Chucky Manson.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I give up.
Speaker 2: I can't think of any.
Speaker 3: Well, Shackie Matsen got burned in the fireplace, still didn't die,
and they had to shoot him, and like, who's gonna
believe me that a doll is attacking all these people?
Do you remember?
Speaker 2: Well, the more I think about it now, I'm starting
to think that is the meaning of Child's play. That
it's it's the whole thing is voodoo, and that the
way that the shaman has his voodoo dolls is the
way that it's like the corporations are the corporate shamans,
and they've given everyone their voodoo dolls to put them
on our spell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at all the barbies and the brats.
Speaker 2: Rats and all the lol dolls. Remember when was it
was it American Girl? Do you remember when that came out?
When those are really popular? Ten years ago? They even
had stores in like the rich side of the of town,
and they were expensive girl dolls. And I remember somebody
was pointing out out that they started turning their stars
in inverted pentagram.
Speaker 3: Oh, good point. They were supposed to be like the
wholesome dolls, the anti brats and stuff.
Speaker 2: There was something about it where somebody was saying that.
I mean, I may just be remembering wrong. So maybe
I'm thinking of brats and I'm confusing it with that,
but I don't remember.
Speaker 3: You know, you're right about the American Girls Stark. So
ever since then, I knew.
Speaker 2: Charles Whitman Chucky Whitman dolls had.
Speaker 3: Some evil in them, because what was that whole trilogy
about that stupid doll conjuring with the man.
Speaker 2: But the cond and that's part of conjuring. You're right, Yeah,
I actually liked the conjuring. Those are pretty good. But
I can't I don't know what to think about dam
Lorraine Warren kind of they seemed like I can't like,
are are they serious or they boom or con people? Look,
I can't figure it out, remember, I mean, I like
having that, but I haven't really investigated ed Lorraine Warrens.
So I'm sure somebody out there and like knows the
whole you know, down low. But so yeah, so i'd
never seen Chucky and it was it was fun. It
was fun to watch with you. It was I guess
what I expected. Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Several sequels.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, every one of these tonight
is like a franchise. Yeah, so I guess in a
sense they all ended up being successful and capitalized on
this goofy genre.
Speaker 3: We bought the four most classic Halloween.
Speaker 2: Franchises, I think, Yeah, except we've already kind of done Halloween.
So we did Halloween last year, so so you want
to do we got to move through it.
Speaker 3: Okay, same year as Child's Way, So this is a
big year for nineteen eighty eight had two good horror movies.
Speaker 2: By the way, I may be wrong about the American
Girl thing. I just can't remember. There was something about
it I remember seeing, but it was like ten years ago.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. Uh.
Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, then I'm talking about brats and I'm
mixed up.
Speaker 3: But so Hellraiser two nineteen eighty eight. Clive Barker a
ritual magician, and we all know that the what's that
called the.
Speaker 2: Limit configure, the Lament configuration.
Speaker 3: That's a cube of Saturn, which is Kronas.
Speaker 2: You're in the doghouse now because you will never remember that.
Jamie has never remembered the hell Razor Saturn cube.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it's called. Lament configuration.
Speaker 2: So that's better than the Lamont configuration. Lamarty, Sanford is son.
Sanford's son is called Lamont.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know them.
Speaker 2: You didn't even know the sanfordance On song. It's like
the most famous TV theme song of all I played in.
She was like, what is that song? Like, you don't
know the sanfordance On song?
Speaker 3: Every Yeah, Okay, so we're gonna do Howards or two
because Helards aer one is just bringing the gooey band
back basically from the dead. So to get you caught up,
it was, uh dad, a step mom and a daughter.
Stepmom's cheating with uncle Uncle dies got a raisin from
the dead with by feeding in people.
Speaker 2: Right, somebody take the Hell Raiser box and put Lamont's
face on it. That would be funny and call it
the Lamont configuration.
Speaker 3: Anyway, So this is where we get to meet Pinhead
as a human who is like on Safari or something,
and he was messing with the box and he opened
the gate.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So if you remember part two is the
woman from part one she went to Hell and now
she's back to terrorized. But isn't she raised by the
the guy who's a psychiatrist and a Crolean.
Speaker 3: There's so much altar and krole in this.
Speaker 2: This I didn't expect that. So actually the best of
these in this this batch tonight was hell Raiser two,
and it was the one that I least expected to
actually find a significant amount of information and stuff in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is when it immediately after Hell Raiser one,
the girl, the daughter wakes up in a psychic psychiatric hospital. Right,
we have such show you. I like to think of
Pinhead as just like an Emo teen and then everything
he says just sounds a lot.
Speaker 2: More goofy what we have such tea to show you?
Speaker 3: Yes, the Seven Wonders say it like that.
Speaker 2: The Seven Sins that cenobites use the Seven Sins to
get their prey, and you can combat that with the
Seven Winners. I'm dry So no, no, I remember whish Master.
That's another Clive Barker.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so let's get into this with there's a
crazy brain surgery scene where they're talking about the brain
is labyrinth and the surgeons have to see it because
they are like curious sociopaths that just have to open
up the body to investigate and see what's going on inside.
Speaker 2: Yes, this operates consistently on the macro micro principles, So
things that are small are little magical images and models
of the large or the real. So just like in Chucky,
voodoo dolls are little, you know, magical representations of the
thing they're supposed to represent. In Hell Raiser two, there's
all these references to the maze. At the beginning is
the person's brain that they are, that that crazy m
kilter doctor is experimenting on. And then the lament configuration
turns into a little maze which is also the the
shape of Leviathon, who is a giant cube pyramid thing
that is black that sends out the black light of Lucifer.
Speaker 3: It's like a triangle geometric.
Speaker 2: That's a cute. It's two. It's not a triangle, it's well,
it's a pyramid and a pyramid. It's like the ethereum logo, Yes,
stretched out.
Speaker 3: We even wrote that down. He's ether. So so in
the Psychic ward with the protagonist, girl is another little
girl who's been there and she's like a genius at
solving puzzles, who the doctor has kidnapped basically and made
her to solve all the puzzles because he's obsessed with
this lament configuration.
Speaker 2: Well, and he's studying the spiritual insights that gifted kids
have at puberty.
Speaker 3: Remember, yes, And then we find out there's another level
of crazy people down below. They're really crazy that he's
been experimenting on and making them work on the boxes.
Speaker 2: For him, like the Tristan level of Schizoh.
Speaker 3: Yes, so yeah. Hall is a massive labyrinth with Levithon
at the center. There's Frank and Julia from the first
movie Cheat and Frank came back to life. Pinhead and
Cenobites are servants of Leviathon.
Speaker 2: And these are all humans who basically what happens we
realize we learn is that when they trick you to
come to hell World, they lure you with what is
equivalent of the seven Deadly sins, right, so they lure
you with pleasures with wealth and oh you know, Hell
is your greatest desires met. You know, it's beyond your
dreams and all this stuff. That's why Penned's always showing
you you have such sights to show you, right, and
he's like, your pleasure, what is your pleasure? And then
when you get there, you find out that you're the pain,
which is their pleasure. So the demons, they're basically demons
who cert well they're humans who are servants now of
the Giant Demon Cube pyramid, and they their job is
to trick you to come to help, and they'll do
all kinds of things like they use the seven Deadly Sins, lost, greed,
whatever power and they offer it more, which is interest
because they claim that they can bring you back, right,
but you have to serve them. If you come back
and you have you're not human anymore. That's why you
have to put on a flesh suit. So you're like
a demon who has to be reclothed basically, which is
very gooey, very sticky. A lot of a lot of sticky,
gooey things in this. It's pretty gross.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh. The doctor keeps occult things and has two
pictures of this was crazy and a sigil and like
Egyptian stuff and more boxes.
Speaker 2: Remember, so uh yeah, what we didn't expect was that
when you go to the crazy mental Doctor's psychiatric doctor's
private room, it's a ritual room where he does ritual magic.
And he's got a picture of Crowley. Two pictures of Croley,
one doing the you know whatever, and then one of
him doing the Hypocrates thing, and he's got a sigil
of something I can't really tell what it is. And
then he's got this mattress where he does his who
knows what. So I'm gonna warn you at not recommending
watch this movie. If you do watch it, when you
get to the scene, skip past it. It's probably the grossest,
one of the grossest things, because he brings in a
crazy dude who cuts himself. It's pretty gross and I
don't like gross stuff, so we skip past that part.
If you do want to watch this movie, skip past.
I'm not recommending it. But the thing about Hell Razor
two is that it was, in a sense pretty accurate.
I mean, did I wouldn't have expected Clive Barker, who
is a Skittles satanist, like openly, like he's into ritual magic,
Like he's kind of telling the truth here. It's weird.
It's like these cenobytes are demons and they trick you
into coming to Hell world through the you know, seven
deadly sense and when you get there and they're like,
You're like, where's my chicks? And they're like, we have
such pain to show you right now. Now. They're like hah,
we tricked you. Now we're going to torture you and
feed on your pain.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like literally what demons would do, right, But.
Speaker 3: There's something that like that doctor got transformed and he
was all ecstatic about it.
Speaker 2: So yes, so the doctor is experimenting because he wants
to learn the secrets of magic and the other dimensions
in the other worlds, which is pretty crazy. And so
I forgot this. There's all these references to mc escher.
So there's these references to other dimensions, higher dimensions, other
worlds which are spiritual worlds, so to speak. And we
know that the Lament configuration cube can open the portals.
They're like keys to opening the dimensions.
Speaker 3: Oh so I've found out by looking. They don't tell
you this in the movie, but the box, I mean,
in the whole series, they tell you that the boxes
were created by a diabolical murderer or a sadistic toymaker,
depending on the comic or the movie version. And apparently
there's like two hundred of these things floating around, two
hundred keys to the portals of Hell.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I don't recommend So number one is a
different kind of movie. It's all takes place basically in
one house and in the attic where they're feeding this
dude people so that he can evolve from goo into
a person. It's very gooey. Hell Raiser two is more
about Pinhead and the cenobites and this crazy m Kilder doctor.
But it's got a couple of pretty gross scenes.
Speaker 3: So again, she is dripping blood everywhere in one scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when she comes back, she doesn't have skin,
and so then she tricks the doctor into feeding her
mental patience so that she can get their skin back,
and she like sucks on their like glands, or she
does something in the back of their neck. I don't
know what's back there.
Speaker 3: But oh so in the end of this whole story,
like at the end of all the hell Raisers, apparently
the door to holl is finally closed in twenty one
twenty seven by transforming a space station into a giant
puzzle box.
Speaker 2: You know what, I actually I remember I think I've
seen the hell Razor in space. It's oh really it's terrible,
but yeah, I think I did see that. I remember
that a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Make sure if you even look at this movie to
fast forward, because I put in the note worst love
scene I've ever seen, sad face?
Speaker 2: So, which which was the scene?
Speaker 3: I think I've forgotten it out of my like pushed
it out of my brain. But it was probably pretty bad.
Speaker 2: She might have been, Oh, it's because she's gooey. Yeah,
so yes, I looked at it. I looked the way.
It doesn't show any sex parts, but this chick is gooey. Dude,
like drippy. I'm talking about like like dripping. I don't
mean in a sexual way, I mean just literally like nugat,
like hot nugat, hot steaming nugat, dripping out of a
freaking snicker.
Speaker 3: Dude, Well, did you notice you? He said, you have
to want the pleasures of the box for them to come,
because even if you solve the box, the person that
wanted to meet them is the one they're going to
go after.
Speaker 2: This is what I don't understand about the box. So
they need the kids to open the box.
Speaker 3: The docks. The doctor, the curly doctor needed the kid
to open the box. But when this sinem because I
don't know, he wasn't good enough to do it. He
couldn't figure out how to open him.
Speaker 2: Oh, because you need a little spurgy genius to do
the Rubik's cube. Okay, that makes it so. Actually the
Spurgy kids know how to solve the Rubik's cube, and
they are the they're the key to open the portal
because the doctor he's not smart enough to solve it.
Speaker 3: Right, So when the cinobites, when the little girl solves
it and the cinebites come, they're like, we're taking him
because it's him who wanted us, not the girl who
actually solved.
Speaker 2: The thing, right. She didn't know what she was doing.
And then she's like Spurgy. And then when the portal
opens up, they walk in and it's all the woman
who's organized this because she her job is to just
bring souls to Leviathan.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Now, here's the point I wanted to make about. What
was interesting was that so typically you think of angels
or demons as you know, these like horned figures or
winged figures. And what was weird about this was that
when you see Leviathan, he's just a big floating triangle cube.
Speaker 3: He's a geometric shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it reminds me of the geometric shapes in
two thousand and one when Bow is leaving the dimensions,
he goes into like outside of time and space, and
he starts seeing when he goes in the the black hole,
he starts seeing these geometric shapes and he sees seven
diamonds appear in front of him. And I actually wrote
in my essay that they could signify God's or deities.
And so it's just odd because I didn't remember that
this presents the demon in this geometric form. So, and
the geometric form of the demon corresponds to the cube,
which is interesting because right, the cube can be turned
on its point and it becomes saturn, it becomes the hexagram. Yeah,
and there's all the references to Esher, right, and Escher's
art and paintings, I don't know. He doesn't have any paintings.
All of his drawings are dimensional based drawings. If you
look at the Hofstainer book gardell As Bock, he points
out how the mathematics of Esher's drawings all points to
like dimensional physics.
Speaker 3: Well, because the other site is chaotic, well.
Speaker 2: It's slippery, so to speak, like it doesn't operate on
the physics of this dimension exactly. So you can have
a door that you know, cuts through space and time
to another place. And that's why it's very similar to
when Sarah goes into the Labyrinth. Yes, and Labyrinth. It's
all also based on mc esher's dimensional art.
Speaker 3: Well, if you notice when the Little Girl first runs
into the Labyrinth, it's like evil Carnival with evil clowns and.
Speaker 2: Well, a bunch of the d mt bros talk about
the circus Funhouse carnival dimensions. Oh really, it's a recurring
thing that d mt bros say they see.
Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy. I like the chattering teeth guy the
best I think, Ye, which one is your favorite cinebyite?
Speaker 2: The fat guy that spits CDs? Oh yeah, it's so stupid.
I bet afterwards he was like, all right, yeah, this
one is totally retarded, So maybe just get rid of
that one. That's like the worst dumbest cinebyte. So allo,
the one that spits laser does pinhead.
Speaker 3: In one of his lines, he says something kind of
like what the surgeons are saying at the beginning when
they're doing brain surgery is that they want to know
your flesh. And so there's this connection between the doctors,
the surgeons, and the demons.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, it reminds me of the Twin Peaks. The
demonic and twin peaks Bob and the man from another place.
He wants his garment bosia, and that when Bob brings
a bunch of blood and he drops them on the
floor and he said, there you are, there's your pain
and suffering, your garment bosia. So he identifies the food
as the pain and the suffering, and we know that,
you know that seems to be as we were talking
about with Surf and Hamilton the other night, the currency
in the food of the demonic Realm is human pain
and suffering. So it's almost like food, and it's like
the energy cubes of the transformers is like the human
pain and suffering. That's what they feed on. And another
point I wanted to make too was when they go
to Lebiathan, when you go to the center of the Maze.
Speaker 3: Of Hell, which they refer to him as the god
of flesh, hunger, and desire.
Speaker 2: Leith, Yeah, well makes sense why he would have cinobytes, right,
So when you get to the to the center of
the maze and he's in his cube pyramid form flowing
up there he has it's like a I don't know
what to discribe. It's like a demonic version of a
what do you call the light that the ship's lighthouse,
like a demonic version of a lighthouse. And he has
this black beam that scans around like like surn or
something order, and when the black beam hits you, it
like penetrates your whole being. And it just made me
think of like a reverse version of theosis. So rather
than being deified by the divine energies and participating in
divine life, this is the demonic inversion of this that
when you get to the hell world, Leviathan reverse inverse
deifies you through the satanic black light. It penetrates your
whole being, and then you become a cenobite. You become
demonicized instead of deified.
Speaker 3: Well, the evil Doctor got what he asked for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he becomes a cenobite.
Speaker 3: Immortality through becoming a brain sucking cinema. Yes. And then yeah,
the demons trick you into becoming a sacrifice for them.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Pinhead has a thing for Kirsty, the girl who's runs
in the movies Christy Cotton. Yeah. Uh, he always spares
her for some reason.
Speaker 2: Well, in this one, she shows up and somehow has
a picture of him because.
Speaker 3: She reminded him that he was human ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was a British soldier at the time
of World War One, I think. And then he somehow
got ahold of the cube and he was doing meditation
and he wanted to solve the mysteries, right, So he
was on this quest I guess for esoteric knowledge, and
then the cube is he solves it and then gets
tricked into being into Hell, right, and then he gets
turned into a cenobite, so he's forgotten that he was human,
and she reminded him of that with that picture, and
then she let him go, and then they ended up
all the cinnobytes had to fight the crazy doctor, the
evil doctor cinebite because he's like, I'm taking over Hell now, right, yeah,
like you do? But he actually they so they turn
human again, the cenobites and die. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of them was a little boy or
something like. It wasn't what you would expect.
Speaker 2: But I don't understand. So one thing I didn't get
was why does where does Penn had come back? If
he's been turned into a human and killed, does he
still go to Hell? That would suck, right, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe the other Hellraisers take place in a different time.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think we're just supposed to think
that when he dies, he goes to Hell and then
he's just turned into Pinhead again because in the third one,
which is terrible, he comes back as Pinhead memory. No,
we watched like minutes, Yes, but we didn't because there's
that pull the art post with all the faces on it, Yeah,
which becomes the new portal. Yeah, and so the artist
that one's one thing that is interesting about that one,
which is terrible. I don't recommend it at all, but
it's an artist who basically has a deal with Pinhead
or and the demons to be successful as an artist,
but he has to bring sacrificial victions to Pinhead.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, howras What do you.
Speaker 2: Think is that the end? What's at the end? On
the notes?
Speaker 3: They were once human? She closes the portal to Hell,
but they don't believe her to destroy the mass.
Speaker 2: There was one other thing about the who is the
blonde check? Was that in the third one?
Speaker 3: No, this was the second one. No, the blonde girl
was a prisoner of the evil doctor who found out
she was good at puzzles. So he's the.
Speaker 2: Person who ends up looking like it's she meets Pinhead
in his human form in the dream realm? Is that
part three?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's fir okay.
Speaker 2: Never mind, I'm getting three part three, an I do. Well.
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Speaker 3: This, do you want to save the next two for
like maybe a.
Speaker 2: Couple of days, So yeah, you know, I think we should. Yeah,
We'll do the super chats and then we'll do which
ones are left. Night Maroll on Elm Street Friday thirteenth.
Then and what.
Speaker 3: That's it? Well, a little bit of Halloween two thousand
and seven, but we had to turn that off.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll pick Yeah, that one's too gruesome, So maybe
we'll pick another eighties horror movie that we didn't do.
So I saw some trailer information stuff for like Freddy
two and three. Even though they looked terrible, they actually
looked interesting and similar to the hell Raiser thing Freddy,
because Freddy brings you to like the hell world, the
dream world.
Speaker 3: Freddy two is really weird and it has its own
yea following because it's a Skittles. There's a lot of
inuns that they call it the.
Speaker 2: I remember watching two or three where they can't get
out of the dream world and it kind of creeped
me out.
Speaker 3: Back in the nineties, well, the new reboot Freddy they
did with the guy from Watchman Ruschak, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he played Freddy and he wasn't a killer at all.
He was falsely accused by the parents or something like that.
He was a slow boy that just liked kids. I
don't remember if he actually did it or not.
Speaker 2: Okay, I wish to watch those and put that in
there instead.
Speaker 3: Because it's Jason Halloween. Yeah, that's next Friday the thirteenth.
We're going to do that.
Speaker 2: But Jamie had never seen the first one, so she
didn't know that the first one wasn't about Jason. Huh.
Speaker 3: Yes, the twist surprised me because it's a lot like Psycho.
Speaker 2: That's why everybody likes the first Friday thirteenth because it's
a twist, okay, and then it gets goofy and goofyer
and goofyer with So if you thought Michael Myers was bad,
like Jason is the ultimate, like dude, like, how many
times can this guy die? It's like over the top.
There's one of them. I think it's like part four
or five, where like the whole movie is basically just
dying and he's still after like like he falls off
a tractor and gets run over and he you know,
gets blown up and and he doesn't stop.
Speaker 3: Just kidding, right, So we're gonna do Stephen.
Speaker 2: King movies, Yes, the good and the bad and more
bad than good. There's plenty of awful Stephen King movies, and.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do b movies that we're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you know, we do good bad movies, right,
Golden Trash, B horror that was good. Yeah. B movies
with a message, one of which is Spellbinder by the way. Yeah,
well if you're looking for a B version, Eyes White
Shut Spellbinder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we might do like Trolls and Leprechaun just
for fun. Yeah. Someone said Leprechaun with Snoop Dogg. That
sounds fine.
Speaker 2: Lepre Control are also yeah, classic kind of garbage movies.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so now you can do October with us
Stephen King and b Horn.
Speaker 2: Do you want to get to these super chaps? Yep,
So there's this one.
Speaker 3: Here, okay, Supreme gentlewoman five dollars. Jim Goad continuously claims
you backed out of a debate on the truth of Christianity.
He asserts great apologists like yourself refuse to debate him
because of his ma AQ. Is there a chance we
could see this debate happen? Thanks Shane.
Speaker 2: So, uh, the reason we didn't debate was because we
had an email exchange. If I recall maybe five or
ten emails back and forth over whether the word eternal
covenant means that the Old Testament is an eternal covenant
and therefore there could never be a new covenant. So
we spent about ten emails going back and forth about that,
and his interpretation was had no flexibility or allowance for news,
So I didn't think there would be any point in
having that debate. But no, it had nothing to do
with saying that he had a low IQ or anything
like that. I just didn't think the debate would go
anywhere given the rigidity that he had about a couple
of verses dealing with the Old Testament. So I just
didn't think there would be any point in that debate.
Had nothing to do with anybody's like you.
Speaker 3: Okay, the green Feathers ten dollars, I hate Halloween stores
and destiny. Check out the video I uploaded on Orthodox fasting.
Where's that.
Speaker 2: In the chat? Assuming means his channel? Oh green Feather's channel,
I presume.
Speaker 3: Okay, Brian Gumbel two dollars spectacular stream Jay, what you
think about destiny saying suppositionalists suck because two people debating
who claimed to have morality from God can't get anywhere
in the debate. Elemo, Well, this.
Speaker 2: Is just a misunderstanding, as many kind of basic bitch
atheists have about what presubsitionalism is right. They think that
it means that you just have presubpositions and nobody can
debate presubpositions. That's, of course not what the debate or
presubsitionalism is. In fact, the transmittal argument is a formal
logical argument, right. You can put it into a disjunctive
X as a necessary condition of why why therefore X.
So that's just not what presubsitionalism is.
Speaker 3: Nicodemus three dollars, Hey, j are you going to do
an analysis of squid game? Could get mad views considering
its popularity. Don't want to spoil it, but has some
stuff suitable for your film analysis.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: That's a brand new show that's going super popular about
as far as I can tell, kind of like Logan's
Run or what's the one with the games the Hunger
not Handinger games?
Speaker 2: But like where you have to Yeah, okay, yeah, cool, Yeah,
I'll check it out. Sounds cool. I don't know about it.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, okay, McKay The King of Mikhail, the King
of Kings. Five dollars? What up? King Jay and Queen
Jamie God bless Jay in regards to your thearine action
figures being used for the forces of black Magic. Check
out the Clive Barker Tortured Soul series that Todd McFarlane
put out for children to purchase in toy stores. Okay there,
Clive Barker Tortured Souls. Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Tom McFarlane is the guy that did Spawn, which
is one of the worst movies of all time.
Speaker 3: And the first weird stuff I did that I don't
sell anymore. I talk a lot about toys. Yeah, you
know one. Roger Cheetah Kennedy, Leon Kennedy, you both are awesome.
Can you recommend any philosophical books on the difference between
the correspondence, utilitarian and coherence model of truth and why
coherence is superior? Also, I heard Bruce Campbell has been
doing more YouTube stuff. Thanks.
Speaker 2: So Bruce Campbell did reply to the email. He said
he was just too busy at the time to come on,
but we would like to probably try again, maybe in
a few months and see if he would come back
and or actually come on right since he has been
doing that. So that's a great idea. Really, the best
thing would be just the bonjour text on epistemology. So
that's an introduction book that Father Deacon recommends. It's used
in graduate undergraduate philosophy classes for epistemology one oh one,
and that will give you the different positions on truth
and coherence. Theory is just true in one aspect, so
we're not as presuppositionalists bound to a secular theory have coherence.
It's just that they have some good critiques of the
correspondence and foundationalist views. K Roger Chido, that's an awesome name.
Speaker 3: Roger Cheeto twelve dollars. Who wins in a sax Off
Sweaty sax Man from Lost Boys or Bill Pullman.
Speaker 2: In Lost Highway, Fred Madison or Tim Capello. Tim Capello
wins because Tim Cappello literally doesn't care about anything. If
you can wear a literal chain around your neck like
a dolt, like a like a chain link chain with
giant padlocks and spandex and be oiled up and play
a saxophone, yeah, like you don't care, dude. And the
problem with Fred Madison is that he is cucked and
cares about everything, Like he's freaking out over just thinking
that his wife might be cheating, and he basically has
a meltdown playing the Sacks, So I mean, who does that?
Tell you? Right? There is gonna win. Tim Capello.
Speaker 3: He's like twice his size too, so yeah, yeah, Russian
Messenger five dollars. Great work you two are making. Keep
it up, Jay and Jamie. God bless thank you, bless you.
Speaker 2: Chanks Dog. Sorry we didn't get to the other ones,
but we're gonna have to do this debate here in
a few minutes, so guys stick around. I'm gonna create
the zoom link and within a few minutes, Uh, Pedro
and I will be debating. Now. Pedro is over on
the Crucible, so you probably saw him with beautiful Tristana
last night. Uh. Pedro is a nice guy, so we're
gonna have a nice, friendly civil debate. It'll be formal.
I'm a little tired, so I may not perform. I'm
gonna try, though, because I'm taking my chalk dot com,
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open up the portals to power, wealth and fame, right, and.
Speaker 3: It will close the portals.
Speaker 2: To the same We have such things to show you
what do you desire? Well, and it's not a trick,
by the way, so maybe cinobytes are not a good
example to use for try to sell a products right
because they trick you to go to hell. Joli dot
com will not trick you into going help. Thank you guys,
hope you enjoyed it. Uh, we'll do what Freddy and more,
Freddie and Jason. Yeah, okay, all right, so we'll be
back in about ten to fifteen minutes.