1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: And man's anthropology. 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: As I said, without the right theology. 3 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:16,799 Speaker 3: The talbot then. 4 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: Don't see from the sea. I don't know. 5 00:01:59,359 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: The logos is the icon of Father, and man is 6 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:21,319 the icon of God. H we are the image of. 7 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:53,599 Speaker 2: Godha God dire Wave three, it says, kicking off Spootober, 8 00:03:54,479 --> 00:04:01,240 spooky scary lights, blood goo gooey, you get centers inside 9 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,800 of creatures that turn into other things. Evolution, Bro, do 10 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:07,680 you like Halloween? 11 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,919 Speaker 3: No? I don't like all of the crap in the 12 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,160 stores already, all the Halloween stuff. 13 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,319 Speaker 2: I want spirit Halloween to take over every strip. 14 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: Malling creature in every country, don't you think? 15 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't like him, So welcome everybody. We're just 16 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:35,519 coming off the heels of the unhinged and psychotic debater 17 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,959 Tristan aka Tristana, who we are no longer associated with. 18 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,240 We are better than him, and we just want to 19 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,240 burchase signal to point out how better we are because 20 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:54,639 Destiny won the debate last night. Psychic Anyway tonight is 21 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:01,560 a special feature because we're not just covering the eighty 22 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,879 spooky classics. I'll also be doing a debate immediately after 23 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:09,079 this stream, so I'm not at full steam I'm actually 24 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,439 taking my tongue cat which we'll discuss later, to help 25 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:18,959 me have the energy to spurg out and be mean 26 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,160 to Pedro. I'm just joking, not gonna be mean to Pedro, 27 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:24,800 Pedro from the Crucible, who I believe is a Protestant 28 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:26,959 as far as I understand, we will be doing a 29 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,759 debate immediately after this live stream, So tonight we're gonna 30 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,439 cover for Spook Toober kicking it off. You know last 31 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,160 year we did Hereditary. Do you remember that we did Hereditary? 32 00:05:37,639 --> 00:05:44,519 Halloween three fun stuff Classic John Carpenter. There, I forget 33 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,480 what else we did PP three e more Days too, 34 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:52,480 hallo Ween Halloween, hallo Ween, three more days to hallowen 35 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,800 su Verse Chamrock you look that up. That will never 36 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:03,439 leave your head. You will go insane. So we got 37 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,079 Child's play Chuck aka Chucky. If you've ever heard of Chucky, 38 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:13,399 you know Chuck, not Chuck d Chucky, No public not 39 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,800 public enemies Chucky, Chucky. 40 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:19,319 Speaker 3: Chucky, my buddy Chucky. 41 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:26,319 Speaker 2: Yeah it is my buddy. Yeah, my body and kids, sister, kids, sister, kid, 42 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:27,360 sister and me. 43 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: This is the first scary movie I ever saw as 44 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:39,920 child traumatized. It messed me up towards dolls. Yes, dolls 45 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,839 are have some evil in them. And ever since I 46 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,920 saw Child's Play that one and Candy Man, I was 47 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,800 about twelve years old, and I've never seen a scary 48 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:55,480 movie before, and I saw Chucky, I've never been the same. 49 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,439 Speaker 2: I don't think dolls are scary at all. I think 50 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:02,959 they're ridiculous. And I don't think clowns are scary at all. 51 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:04,839 So I don't know why people are scared of dolls 52 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:06,519 and clowns. It makes me laugh. 53 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: They're creepy. It's like, while as we shall see, there 54 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,279 is a lot of voodoo in Child's Play, you thought 55 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:16,959 it was. 56 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people like I can't hear you. The 57 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:27,759 sound is off, the sound is significantly I have a phone. 58 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: Well, as we shall see sounds. 59 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:32,519 Speaker 2: Perfect to me. There is so I don't understand these. 60 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:37,480 Maybe everybody else got broke ears. Go ahead? 61 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: Is it working? Okay? 62 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:40,879 Speaker 2: We sound beautiful? 63 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: Okay. So Child's Play nineteen eighty eight there is a killer, 64 00:07:49,319 --> 00:07:53,040 a serial killer on the loose, who is killed by 65 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:56,639 a cop and he puts his soul into adult it's. 66 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,079 Speaker 2: Actually Brad Dwarf aka Grima worm tongue. 67 00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:03,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like a strangler, Yeah. 68 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: The Scranton Strangler. 69 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: Well do you remember we saw the new Chucky reboot 70 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:10,319 in the theater? 71 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:13,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was about AI, yeah, being possessed and 72 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:14,720 basically killing everybody. 73 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:16,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was scary and on point. 74 00:08:17,519 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: They were like, what if Chucky was run by Skynett? 75 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, but this one is good old fashioned calling upon 76 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:29,199 the dark powers of voodoo to put yourself into adult 77 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,560 so that you can continue your serial killer career. 78 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:37,799 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, this I've never I'd never seen this. I 79 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:39,879 don't know how or why. I never had an interest 80 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,679 in Chucky. I didn't think it would be good. I 81 00:08:42,759 --> 00:08:45,639 didn't really get to My parents didn't let me watch 82 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:48,200 horror movies in the eighties, and I didn't really want to. 83 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,279 I was scared of horror movies, although they were all 84 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,519 like devils me too. So now I like horror movies, 85 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,679 not like the really gross stuff. But now that I'm 86 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,960 grown up and evolved and I'm an atheist and I'm 87 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,440 not superstitious anymore, I'm not afraid of horror movies. 88 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: So I have balls, as they say, Well, now that 89 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:10,440 I've seen many horror movies and going back and watching 90 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,039 this one, from my childhood. This was a pretty good 91 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,159 horror movie. I'll give it a solid B plus as 92 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,159 a like, well, okay, there's that. 93 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:21,759 Speaker 2: It's a fun eighties movie. 94 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 3: Yeah there's the consumerism because. 95 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,919 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I told you to make a note of that. 96 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:27,440 That's right. 97 00:09:27,759 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: The cereal and the cartoon and everything is like peak 98 00:09:32,759 --> 00:09:37,480 eighties consumer the doll everything you have to have. He's 99 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:41,000 even dressed in the clothes of the guy the dolls. 100 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:42,440 The dolls called the good guys. 101 00:09:42,759 --> 00:09:45,799 Speaker 2: Right, bump bup bump bum bum bump bump bump bump, 102 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:51,320 bump bump bump bumpin right, And both Gremlins and Child's 103 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,279 Play are about to a degree consumerism. Do you remember 104 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,919 the whole end scene where because it's all about buying 105 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,399 the latest gadget and fad, the dad is looking for 106 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,159 a unique present for his sons and he's a failed inventor, 107 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:08,440 remember that. So he goes and finds this like retarded 108 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,919 Ferbee dealer in Chinatown who sells retarded, demonic Ferby's, and 109 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,840 you know you can't get them wet, right, So he 110 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:20,559 brings that home and then the end sequence of Gremlins 111 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:24,519 my interpretition Grimlins, I know we're not doing Gridlins, but 112 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,200 it's a Christmas movie. Actually is that it's about the 113 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,519 rampant consumerism is essentially demonic, and then the whole society 114 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:40,279 is has havoc reeked upon it, like the Gremlins reek 115 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,720 upon the small town. 116 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:43,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. 117 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,159 Speaker 2: And then then in Grimlins Too, they go to the 118 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:52,960 Twin Towers basically under Clamp Industries. It's Trump. It's obviously Trump, 119 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,320 which is pretty crazy, and they wreak havoc and destroy 120 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:59,399 the towers. So it's almost like a Twin Towers reference. 121 00:11:00,639 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: It's crazy. Gremlin's too, Clamp is his name instead of Trump. 122 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:11,399 Speaker 2: Clamp. That's it. And then, uh, the last Gremlin is 123 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:19,559 a transition to Grimlin, like like Tristana Lady Kremlin. 124 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: That's funny. 125 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,519 Speaker 2: Well, it's no, it's literally a transition to Gremlin because 126 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,960 of it's a boy gremlin who puts on. No, it's 127 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:35,039 a boy gremlin who puts on That's how it ends anyway. 128 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,159 So that's about consumerism, and this is also about that indirectly, 129 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,919 because everybody is obsessed with these toys and they're almost 130 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:46,639 like replacement father figures. So the kid in this movie 131 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:51,559 has no father and they speak of the toy as 132 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,559 if it's he treats the toy like his replacement father figure. 133 00:11:56,159 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: And uh, did you notice there's crazy he's making breakfast, 134 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:02,679 he's putting sugar on top of sugar cereal. 135 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all these references to the CONSUMERI as pop 136 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,399 culture stuff. Yeah, and then the it's sugar cereal. 137 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,759 Speaker 3: Literally do you remember Country crocs spread. 138 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: Family? I know it didn't go away. 139 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 3: Food. Please don't ever eat, buy or eat that. Our 140 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:22,919 family ate it too. 141 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 142 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: I know that will kill you. No more Country. 143 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not even like Margarine. Right, it's another 144 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,679 third thing, butter Margarine third thing. 145 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:36,159 Speaker 3: Somebody said, who's Jamie? 146 00:12:36,879 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: This is my wife? This is my wife. That's a joke. 147 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,840 What dog feelings hert It's a joke. Come on, we're 148 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:47,720 on a live stream. 149 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: It's a little dude's birthday and she's a single mom 150 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,720 and she had to buy the cursed doll from a 151 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:07,000 film the Peddler because she couldn't afford the new doll remember, 152 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,440 And then oh have you ever heard of lol dolls? 153 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 2: Is that like brats? 154 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,039 Speaker 3: Kind of? But there's these crazy new things that if 155 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,559 you put him in hot water, they show their underwear 156 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,000 and stuff. 157 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: No, yeah, lol, dolls, I'm just used to playing with brats. 158 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:36,799 Speaker 3: Oh do you remember, like you were saying, the dollis' 159 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,120 replacement family dad. That's like last Action Hero. 160 00:13:40,799 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say, is that Arnold 161 00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:44,600 in the movie they make it clear that he's a 162 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,679 replacement dad figure. He even Arnold even says that about 163 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:52,679 the movie because it's a Mada movie. Really good. By 164 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:59,240 the way, Tristana said, Margarine is motor oil. The whole 165 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,759 chat thing now that you're mad at me over the joke. 166 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,200 When I said this, they said, I'm sleeping outside tonight. 167 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: I don't care. 168 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,759 Speaker 2: It's a joke. Obviously. 169 00:14:08,279 --> 00:14:10,799 Speaker 3: Have you ever noticed that the well meaning friend always 170 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:11,360 gets killed? 171 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:18,759 Speaker 2: That's that well, I thought, not always, because. 172 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: In a horror movie, if you're like the person's best 173 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:24,279 friend and you offer to do something for them, that 174 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,159 last task is going to cost you your life in 175 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:30,559 most horror and this is what happened. 176 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:35,639 Speaker 2: My whiteboard has its own profile and it says that 177 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,440 if I tell you, don't your feelings hurt, it's like 178 00:14:38,559 --> 00:14:45,320 throwing a cinder block and a dryer while running source silently. Okay, 179 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:54,000 I sleep alone tonight. I sleep in the doghouse every night, y'all, 180 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,960 because we literally have a doghouse out back. It's Snoop 181 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:01,399 dog House and it's like all pen It's a giant 182 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:05,039 doghouse that's pimped out and Snoop Doggs sleeps there and 183 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,240 it's called the doghouse. 184 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: Have you seen the guy who made a dog living 185 00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:11,919 room for his dogs. It's pretty cute. 186 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,639 Speaker 2: That's rampant consumerism. Yeah, consumerism goes crazy when the pets 187 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:22,679 are treated like humans and given houses and spas and 188 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:27,720 pedicures and like nipple replacement or whatever the pets are given. 189 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:30,960 I made up that last one. You didn't even catch it. 190 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,960 I was reading nipple replacement, so she doesn't even listen 191 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,960 to what I say. I just showed you, guys. I 192 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,399 ran a test and I listed things and I said, 193 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,080 nipple replacement. You're like, who, pretty sure dogs don't get 194 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:56,279 nipple replacement. The rich ones came, my whiteboard is literally 195 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,000 a wife, so my whiteboard has its own profile and 196 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,360 it's here, go ahead. 197 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,399 Speaker 3: The doll makes the kid take him to the ghetto 198 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:10,559 and find his serial killer. 199 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: Partner so that he can kill the serial killer partner. 200 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: As the doll Yeah, Eddie Caputo isn't that. 201 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: But what doesn't make sense about this scene is why 202 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:24,519 does he even Oh, that's right, because he thinks that 203 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:29,320 the Voodoo guy can save him. Because I was thinking, yeah, 204 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,200 like he's got he's he's found the perfect escape as 205 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,080 a villain. Nobody's ever going to find him inside of 206 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,879 a chucky So why does he even care about killing 207 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,320 this guy? And then I realized it's because he thinks 208 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,320 he's going to be human again. Yeah, and then he 209 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:46,080 has to take care of If he takes care of 210 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,120 his of the guy, well he's a doll, then then 211 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:49,879 he's he's good. 212 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,679 Speaker 3: I just thought it was weird they had seal serial 213 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:58,960 killer partners. Why because you always think of them working alone, 214 00:16:58,960 --> 00:16:59,399 but when. 215 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:03,799 Speaker 2: You do Dave McGowan, Yeah, like partner exactly. That's a 216 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,079 good point. Yeah, serial killers are usually working in a 217 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,720 team or repairs, not random loan nuts. 218 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,559 Speaker 3: And his house has like crazy serial killer art murals 219 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,680 remember that part, And we were looking at the serial 220 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:18,880 killer art they always have. 221 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when they go to Brad Dorf's house, it 222 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:25,839 looks like the artwork of John Wayne Gacy and or 223 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,200 Jack of working with like voodoo. Yeah, and he's got 224 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,119 a giant voodoo mural babies of like yeah, and he's 225 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,240 got it. Nothing had like cannibalist stuff in it. 226 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,079 Speaker 3: No, it has the creator God Dumbala on it, that's right. 227 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: And it was some yeah deity from voodoo. 228 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,839 Speaker 3: Right. So then he goes to the voodoo mentor's house 229 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,880 and it was like, how do I get out of 230 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,200 this doll? Remember? Like what happened to me? 231 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, basically you asked me to do it, 232 00:17:58,319 --> 00:18:00,920 but you didn't ask me if I could turn you back. 233 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:02,400 It's like sorry, bro. 234 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: So then he gets revenge on his guy. 235 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: You would have think you would, You would assume he 236 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:14,000 would have asked, right, like beforehand? You know, is this reversible? Right? 237 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,440 It's kind of like it's kind of like getting your 238 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,000 male member removed. 239 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: He's turning into uh, like a human doll hybrid, and 240 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:27,319 so he has to get his soul out of the doll. 241 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:32,279 That's right, because he's becoming more like a Yeah, he's 242 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:33,920 becoming a real boy in a dull body. 243 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:37,759 Speaker 2: Serial killer Pinocchio, Yes, exactly. 244 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: Serial. So he calls on Chango and Santaia Macombe and 245 00:18:43,319 --> 00:18:46,519 tries to invoke all his God's suppost soul into the kid. 246 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So now, uh, this is a perfect setup for 247 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:54,880 a joke, uh serial killer Pinocchio. So take the name 248 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,799 Pinocchio and turn it into uh serial killer. 249 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 3: But it has to have like Ochio Pinocchio, Lee Ray, 250 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,000 Charles Pinocchio. 251 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: No, like what serial killer name? Does Pinocchio sound like? 252 00:19:09,559 --> 00:19:10,559 Is there a serial killer with? 253 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 3: Oh? John Wayne Pinocchio doesn't sound like Pinocchio stalker? No? 254 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: Like does any Nobody understands what I'm saying? Am I 255 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:24,480 the only person who gets Am I the only one 256 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:24,920 that gets me? 257 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: You want of Pinocchio? 258 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm like a teen and I'm the only one that 259 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:29,759 gets me. 260 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: Whose name sounds like? 261 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the serial killers. 262 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: Zodiacs? 263 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: No, that doesn't work, So Sam Damer Bundy, No Manson Ramirez, Uh, 264 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,400 David Pinocchio Ray, David Parker Ray. That one's pretty close. 265 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 3: The piece stands for Pinocchio. Well, in this movie, his 266 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,559 name is Charles Lee Ray. So he has the triple 267 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,960 serial killer name. 268 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: Pinocchio Del Toro, serial killer, Pierre Pacchiani. He's the Monster 269 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:14,680 of Florence Pierre Pinocchio. Alright, this is too dumb, I 270 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,720 thought there would be an easy one, but no, John 271 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:19,119 Wayne Pinocchio. 272 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: Just make it totally family. 273 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: Like Manson. Yeah, they're getting worse and worse. I'm sure 274 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,279 the chat can help. I mean, somebody in the chat 275 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,279 can come up with a what kind of serial killer 276 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:38,519 is Chucky? Anyway? I'm sorry, this is I'm derailing and 277 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:39,359 destroying everything. 278 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: The movies almost over because she has to. 279 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,799 Speaker 2: Oh the other the other thing I was thinking is 280 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:55,119 that what if this is just a crazy thought. What 281 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:03,599 if toys are vood because we think of voodoo dolls, right, 282 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:09,119 like little dolls. What if mass consumption pop toy culture 283 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:13,880 is voodoo. What if the toy companies are literally like 284 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:18,720 trying to I mean, it's entirely possible. There's occultis everywhere. 285 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,160 What if the heads of the toy companies are like 286 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:26,039 doing what they think is voodoo with toys. 287 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:33,799 Speaker 3: Chuck, No, that's the best one you're gonna get. What Chucknocchio? 288 00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:36,920 I like it. 289 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,519 Speaker 2: I don't get it. Chuck. 290 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: Who Manson instead of Chucky and Pinocchio? Chuck nought? 291 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out who the serial killer is? Whosuck? 292 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:57,000 I like that? Chuck Manson, Chucky Manson Chucky Manson. 293 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I give up. 294 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: I can't think of any. 295 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,079 Speaker 3: Well, Shackie Matsen got burned in the fireplace, still didn't die, 296 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:10,119 and they had to shoot him, and like, who's gonna 297 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,359 believe me that a doll is attacking all these people? 298 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:15,400 Do you remember? 299 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: Well, the more I think about it now, I'm starting 300 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,000 to think that is the meaning of Child's play. That 301 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,359 it's it's the whole thing is voodoo, and that the 302 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,279 way that the shaman has his voodoo dolls is the 303 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,920 way that it's like the corporations are the corporate shamans, 304 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,759 and they've given everyone their voodoo dolls to put them 305 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:37,319 on our spell. 306 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:41,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at all the barbies and the brats. 307 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:46,519 Speaker 2: Rats and all the lol dolls. Remember when was it 308 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,519 was it American Girl? Do you remember when that came out? 309 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,680 When those are really popular? Ten years ago? They even 310 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,480 had stores in like the rich side of the of town, 311 00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,160 and they were expensive girl dolls. And I remember somebody 312 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:02,240 was pointing out out that they started turning their stars 313 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,680 in inverted pentagram. 314 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 3: Oh, good point. They were supposed to be like the 315 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,559 wholesome dolls, the anti brats and stuff. 316 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,319 Speaker 2: There was something about it where somebody was saying that. 317 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,640 I mean, I may just be remembering wrong. So maybe 318 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,440 I'm thinking of brats and I'm confusing it with that, 319 00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:23,359 but I don't remember. 320 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,079 Speaker 3: You know, you're right about the American Girls Stark. So 321 00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:30,559 ever since then, I knew. 322 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: Charles Whitman Chucky Whitman dolls had. 323 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 3: Some evil in them, because what was that whole trilogy 324 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,160 about that stupid doll conjuring with the man. 325 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 2: But the cond and that's part of conjuring. You're right, Yeah, 326 00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:52,720 I actually liked the conjuring. Those are pretty good. But 327 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,240 I can't I don't know what to think about dam 328 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:59,759 Lorraine Warren kind of they seemed like I can't like, 329 00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:02,160 are are they serious or they boom or con people? Look, 330 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,480 I can't figure it out, remember, I mean, I like 331 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:08,359 having that, but I haven't really investigated ed Lorraine Warrens. 332 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,079 So I'm sure somebody out there and like knows the 333 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,960 whole you know, down low. But so yeah, so i'd 334 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,319 never seen Chucky and it was it was fun. It 335 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,359 was fun to watch with you. It was I guess 336 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,480 what I expected. Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting. 337 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: Several sequels. 338 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, every one of these tonight 339 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,880 is like a franchise. Yeah, so I guess in a 340 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,720 sense they all ended up being successful and capitalized on 341 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,839 this goofy genre. 342 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,039 Speaker 3: We bought the four most classic Halloween. 343 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: Franchises, I think, Yeah, except we've already kind of done Halloween. 344 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,640 So we did Halloween last year, so so you want 345 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,480 to do we got to move through it. 346 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 3: Okay, same year as Child's Way, So this is a 347 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:09,160 big year for nineteen eighty eight had two good horror movies. 348 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,279 Speaker 2: By the way, I may be wrong about the American 349 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:14,200 Girl thing. I just can't remember. There was something about 350 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,480 it I remember seeing, but it was like ten years ago. 351 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: I think you're right. Uh. 352 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,319 Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, then I'm talking about brats and I'm 353 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:20,920 mixed up. 354 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: But so Hellraiser two nineteen eighty eight. Clive Barker a 355 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,759 ritual magician, and we all know that the what's that 356 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,319 called the. 357 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,559 Speaker 2: Limit configure, the Lament configuration. 358 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 3: That's a cube of Saturn, which is Kronas. 359 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,279 Speaker 2: You're in the doghouse now because you will never remember that. 360 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,319 Jamie has never remembered the hell Razor Saturn cube. 361 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 3: I can't remember what it's called. Lament configuration. 362 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 2: So that's better than the Lamont configuration. Lamarty, Sanford is son. 363 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,519 Sanford's son is called Lamont. 364 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,799 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know them. 365 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,279 Speaker 2: You didn't even know the sanfordance On song. It's like 366 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,279 the most famous TV theme song of all I played in. 367 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,039 She was like, what is that song? Like, you don't 368 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:11,480 know the sanfordance On song? 369 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,279 Speaker 3: Every Yeah, Okay, so we're gonna do Howards or two 370 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,759 because Helards aer one is just bringing the gooey band 371 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:21,200 back basically from the dead. So to get you caught up, 372 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:29,000 it was, uh dad, a step mom and a daughter. 373 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,640 Stepmom's cheating with uncle Uncle dies got a raisin from 374 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,480 the dead with by feeding in people. 375 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: Right, somebody take the Hell Raiser box and put Lamont's 376 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:44,279 face on it. That would be funny and call it 377 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:45,440 the Lamont configuration. 378 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 3: Anyway, So this is where we get to meet Pinhead 379 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:55,400 as a human who is like on Safari or something, 380 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:58,440 and he was messing with the box and he opened 381 00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:58,799 the gate. 382 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:04,039 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So if you remember part two is the 383 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,759 woman from part one she went to Hell and now 384 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:14,000 she's back to terrorized. But isn't she raised by the 385 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,599 the guy who's a psychiatrist and a Crolean. 386 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 3: There's so much altar and krole in this. 387 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,759 Speaker 2: This I didn't expect that. So actually the best of 388 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,839 these in this this batch tonight was hell Raiser two, 389 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,160 and it was the one that I least expected to 390 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,880 actually find a significant amount of information and stuff in. 391 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is when it immediately after Hell Raiser one, 392 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:43,599 the girl, the daughter wakes up in a psychic psychiatric hospital. Right, 393 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:47,079 we have such show you. I like to think of 394 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,759 Pinhead as just like an Emo teen and then everything 395 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:51,680 he says just sounds a lot. 396 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,839 Speaker 2: More goofy what we have such tea to show you? 397 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 3: Yes, the Seven Wonders say it like that. 398 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 2: The Seven Sins that cenobites use the Seven Sins to 399 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:13,640 get their prey, and you can combat that with the 400 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:20,599 Seven Winners. I'm dry So no, no, I remember whish Master. 401 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,839 That's another Clive Barker. 402 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 3: But yeah, so let's get into this with there's a 403 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,400 crazy brain surgery scene where they're talking about the brain 404 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,839 is labyrinth and the surgeons have to see it because 405 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,799 they are like curious sociopaths that just have to open 406 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,839 up the body to investigate and see what's going on inside. 407 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:49,079 Speaker 2: Yes, this operates consistently on the macro micro principles, So 408 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:53,799 things that are small are little magical images and models 409 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,039 of the large or the real. So just like in Chucky, 410 00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:02,160 voodoo dolls are little, you know, magical representations of the 411 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,759 thing they're supposed to represent. In Hell Raiser two, there's 412 00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:10,759 all these references to the maze. At the beginning is 413 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,880 the person's brain that they are, that that crazy m 414 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,920 kilter doctor is experimenting on. And then the lament configuration 415 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,359 turns into a little maze which is also the the 416 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:32,960 shape of Leviathon, who is a giant cube pyramid thing 417 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,160 that is black that sends out the black light of Lucifer. 418 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,079 Speaker 3: It's like a triangle geometric. 419 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: That's a cute. It's two. It's not a triangle, it's well, 420 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,880 it's a pyramid and a pyramid. It's like the ethereum logo, Yes, 421 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,160 stretched out. 422 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:55,319 Speaker 3: We even wrote that down. He's ether. So so in 423 00:29:55,799 --> 00:30:01,119 the Psychic ward with the protagonist, girl is another little 424 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,039 girl who's been there and she's like a genius at 425 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:09,559 solving puzzles, who the doctor has kidnapped basically and made 426 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,720 her to solve all the puzzles because he's obsessed with 427 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,400 this lament configuration. 428 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:21,319 Speaker 2: Well, and he's studying the spiritual insights that gifted kids 429 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,880 have at puberty. 430 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:27,039 Speaker 3: Remember, yes, And then we find out there's another level 431 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,680 of crazy people down below. They're really crazy that he's 432 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,680 been experimenting on and making them work on the boxes. 433 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: For him, like the Tristan level of Schizoh. 434 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,599 Speaker 3: Yes, so yeah. Hall is a massive labyrinth with Levithon 435 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,559 at the center. There's Frank and Julia from the first 436 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,200 movie Cheat and Frank came back to life. Pinhead and 437 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,119 Cenobites are servants of Leviathon. 438 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: And these are all humans who basically what happens we 439 00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,960 realize we learn is that when they trick you to 440 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:05,480 come to hell World, they lure you with what is 441 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:09,079 equivalent of the seven Deadly sins, right, so they lure 442 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,440 you with pleasures with wealth and oh you know, Hell 443 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:18,720 is your greatest desires met. You know, it's beyond your 444 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,319 dreams and all this stuff. That's why Penned's always showing 445 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,279 you you have such sights to show you, right, and 446 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,119 he's like, your pleasure, what is your pleasure? And then 447 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,200 when you get there, you find out that you're the pain, 448 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,279 which is their pleasure. So the demons, they're basically demons 449 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,240 who cert well they're humans who are servants now of 450 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:48,920 the Giant Demon Cube pyramid, and they their job is 451 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,640 to trick you to come to help, and they'll do 452 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,920 all kinds of things like they use the seven Deadly Sins, lost, greed, 453 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,920 whatever power and they offer it more, which is interest 454 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,079 because they claim that they can bring you back, right, 455 00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:05,079 but you have to serve them. If you come back 456 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,920 and you have you're not human anymore. That's why you 457 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,160 have to put on a flesh suit. So you're like 458 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,880 a demon who has to be reclothed basically, which is 459 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,680 very gooey, very sticky. A lot of a lot of sticky, 460 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,880 gooey things in this. It's pretty gross. 461 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh. The doctor keeps occult things and has two 462 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:29,519 pictures of this was crazy and a sigil and like 463 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,119 Egyptian stuff and more boxes. 464 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: Remember, so uh yeah, what we didn't expect was that 465 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:41,000 when you go to the crazy mental Doctor's psychiatric doctor's 466 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:46,559 private room, it's a ritual room where he does ritual magic. 467 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,720 And he's got a picture of Crowley. Two pictures of Croley, 468 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,319 one doing the you know whatever, and then one of 469 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,000 him doing the Hypocrates thing, and he's got a sigil 470 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,240 of something I can't really tell what it is. And 471 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,720 then he's got this mattress where he does his who 472 00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,680 knows what. So I'm gonna warn you at not recommending 473 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,960 watch this movie. If you do watch it, when you 474 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,519 get to the scene, skip past it. It's probably the grossest, 475 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,519 one of the grossest things, because he brings in a 476 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,920 crazy dude who cuts himself. It's pretty gross and I 477 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,759 don't like gross stuff, so we skip past that part. 478 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,119 If you do want to watch this movie, skip past. 479 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,720 I'm not recommending it. But the thing about Hell Razor 480 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:33,640 two is that it was, in a sense pretty accurate. 481 00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:36,880 I mean, did I wouldn't have expected Clive Barker, who 482 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:43,279 is a Skittles satanist, like openly, like he's into ritual magic, 483 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,000 Like he's kind of telling the truth here. It's weird. 484 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:50,319 It's like these cenobytes are demons and they trick you 485 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:54,240 into coming to Hell world through the you know, seven 486 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:57,279 deadly sense and when you get there and they're like, 487 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,480 You're like, where's my chicks? And they're like, we have 488 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:04,000 such pain to show you right now. Now. They're like hah, 489 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,559 we tricked you. Now we're going to torture you and 490 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,240 feed on your pain. 491 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 492 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: So it's like literally what demons would do, right, But. 493 00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 3: There's something that like that doctor got transformed and he 494 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:16,679 was all ecstatic about it. 495 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: So yes, so the doctor is experimenting because he wants 496 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,480 to learn the secrets of magic and the other dimensions 497 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:26,800 in the other worlds, which is pretty crazy. And so 498 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,599 I forgot this. There's all these references to mc escher. 499 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,199 So there's these references to other dimensions, higher dimensions, other 500 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,199 worlds which are spiritual worlds, so to speak. And we 501 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,920 know that the Lament configuration cube can open the portals. 502 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,039 They're like keys to opening the dimensions. 503 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,159 Speaker 3: Oh so I've found out by looking. They don't tell 504 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,519 you this in the movie, but the box, I mean, 505 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,199 in the whole series, they tell you that the boxes 506 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,440 were created by a diabolical murderer or a sadistic toymaker, 507 00:34:56,519 --> 00:35:00,400 depending on the comic or the movie version. And apparently 508 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,320 there's like two hundred of these things floating around, two 509 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,199 hundred keys to the portals of Hell. 510 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 2: Yes, so I don't recommend So number one is a 511 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,960 different kind of movie. It's all takes place basically in 512 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:18,320 one house and in the attic where they're feeding this 513 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,679 dude people so that he can evolve from goo into 514 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,960 a person. It's very gooey. Hell Raiser two is more 515 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,679 about Pinhead and the cenobites and this crazy m Kilder doctor. 516 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,320 But it's got a couple of pretty gross scenes. 517 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 3: So again, she is dripping blood everywhere in one scene. 518 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when she comes back, she doesn't have skin, 519 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:46,119 and so then she tricks the doctor into feeding her 520 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,320 mental patience so that she can get their skin back, 521 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:54,079 and she like sucks on their like glands, or she 522 00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,559 does something in the back of their neck. I don't 523 00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:57,199 know what's back there. 524 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,559 Speaker 3: But oh so in the end of this whole story, 525 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,039 like at the end of all the hell Raisers, apparently 526 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,159 the door to holl is finally closed in twenty one 527 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,599 twenty seven by transforming a space station into a giant 528 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:13,360 puzzle box. 529 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:18,559 Speaker 2: You know what, I actually I remember I think I've 530 00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,360 seen the hell Razor in space. It's oh really it's terrible, 531 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,719 but yeah, I think I did see that. I remember 532 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,440 that a long time ago. 533 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 3: Make sure if you even look at this movie to 534 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,199 fast forward, because I put in the note worst love 535 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,039 scene I've ever seen, sad face? 536 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,639 Speaker 2: So, which which was the scene? 537 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 3: I think I've forgotten it out of my like pushed 538 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,519 it out of my brain. But it was probably pretty bad. 539 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 2: She might have been, Oh, it's because she's gooey. Yeah, 540 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,920 so yes, I looked at it. I looked the way. 541 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:55,280 It doesn't show any sex parts, but this chick is gooey. Dude, 542 00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:00,719 like drippy. I'm talking about like like dripping. I don't 543 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,239 mean in a sexual way, I mean just literally like nugat, 544 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,440 like hot nugat, hot steaming nugat, dripping out of a 545 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:10,320 freaking snicker. 546 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,679 Speaker 3: Dude, Well, did you notice you? He said, you have 547 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,639 to want the pleasures of the box for them to come, 548 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,920 because even if you solve the box, the person that 549 00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,719 wanted to meet them is the one they're going to 550 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,199 go after. 551 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,599 Speaker 2: This is what I don't understand about the box. So 552 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,760 they need the kids to open the box. 553 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 3: The docks. The doctor, the curly doctor needed the kid 554 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,199 to open the box. But when this sinem because I 555 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,119 don't know, he wasn't good enough to do it. He 556 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:43,400 couldn't figure out how to open him. 557 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 2: Oh, because you need a little spurgy genius to do 558 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,360 the Rubik's cube. Okay, that makes it so. Actually the 559 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,519 Spurgy kids know how to solve the Rubik's cube, and 560 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,079 they are the they're the key to open the portal 561 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,320 because the doctor he's not smart enough to solve it. 562 00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:06,119 Speaker 3: Right, So when the cinobites, when the little girl solves 563 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,360 it and the cinebites come, they're like, we're taking him 564 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,920 because it's him who wanted us, not the girl who 565 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:13,199 actually solved. 566 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 2: The thing, right. She didn't know what she was doing. 567 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,599 And then she's like Spurgy. And then when the portal 568 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:24,880 opens up, they walk in and it's all the woman 569 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,320 who's organized this because she her job is to just 570 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,679 bring souls to Leviathan. 571 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 3: Right. 572 00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 2: Now, here's the point I wanted to make about. What 573 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,119 was interesting was that so typically you think of angels 574 00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:41,599 or demons as you know, these like horned figures or 575 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,960 winged figures. And what was weird about this was that 576 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:48,280 when you see Leviathan, he's just a big floating triangle cube. 577 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: He's a geometric shape. 578 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it reminds me of the geometric shapes in 579 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,199 two thousand and one when Bow is leaving the dimensions, 580 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,800 he goes into like outside of time and space, and 581 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,320 he starts seeing when he goes in the the black hole, 582 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,000 he starts seeing these geometric shapes and he sees seven 583 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,599 diamonds appear in front of him. And I actually wrote 584 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:20,320 in my essay that they could signify God's or deities. 585 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,039 And so it's just odd because I didn't remember that 586 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:31,599 this presents the demon in this geometric form. So, and 587 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,639 the geometric form of the demon corresponds to the cube, 588 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,239 which is interesting because right, the cube can be turned 589 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,760 on its point and it becomes saturn, it becomes the hexagram. Yeah, 590 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,960 and there's all the references to Esher, right, and Escher's 591 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,039 art and paintings, I don't know. He doesn't have any paintings. 592 00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:56,760 All of his drawings are dimensional based drawings. If you 593 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,039 look at the Hofstainer book gardell As Bock, he points 594 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:05,400 out how the mathematics of Esher's drawings all points to 595 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:07,480 like dimensional physics. 596 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,639 Speaker 3: Well, because the other site is chaotic, well. 597 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 2: It's slippery, so to speak, like it doesn't operate on 598 00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,159 the physics of this dimension exactly. So you can have 599 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,840 a door that you know, cuts through space and time 600 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:27,760 to another place. And that's why it's very similar to 601 00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:32,039 when Sarah goes into the Labyrinth. Yes, and Labyrinth. It's 602 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,119 all also based on mc esher's dimensional art. 603 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 3: Well, if you notice when the Little Girl first runs 604 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:46,320 into the Labyrinth, it's like evil Carnival with evil clowns and. 605 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 2: Well, a bunch of the d mt bros talk about 606 00:40:53,559 --> 00:41:01,280 the circus Funhouse carnival dimensions. Oh really, it's a recurring 607 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,000 thing that d mt bros say they see. 608 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy. I like the chattering teeth guy the 609 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,000 best I think, Ye, which one is your favorite cinebyite? 610 00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 2: The fat guy that spits CDs? Oh yeah, it's so stupid. 611 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,880 I bet afterwards he was like, all right, yeah, this 612 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,320 one is totally retarded, So maybe just get rid of 613 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,800 that one. That's like the worst dumbest cinebyte. So allo, 614 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,800 the one that spits laser does pinhead. 615 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 3: In one of his lines, he says something kind of 616 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,400 like what the surgeons are saying at the beginning when 617 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,440 they're doing brain surgery is that they want to know 618 00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:43,599 your flesh. And so there's this connection between the doctors, 619 00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:45,239 the surgeons, and the demons. 620 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 2: Right. Well, it reminds me of the Twin Peaks. The 621 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,239 demonic and twin peaks Bob and the man from another place. 622 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,679 He wants his garment bosia, and that when Bob brings 623 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,280 a bunch of blood and he drops them on the 624 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,559 floor and he said, there you are, there's your pain 625 00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:08,039 and suffering, your garment bosia. So he identifies the food 626 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,119 as the pain and the suffering, and we know that, 627 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,679 you know that seems to be as we were talking 628 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:16,719 about with Surf and Hamilton the other night, the currency 629 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,159 in the food of the demonic Realm is human pain 630 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,320 and suffering. So it's almost like food, and it's like 631 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:30,039 the energy cubes of the transformers is like the human 632 00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:34,400 pain and suffering. That's what they feed on. And another 633 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,519 point I wanted to make too was when they go 634 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,239 to Lebiathan, when you go to the center of the Maze. 635 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 3: Of Hell, which they refer to him as the god 636 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,599 of flesh, hunger, and desire. 637 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 2: Leith, Yeah, well makes sense why he would have cinobytes, right, 638 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,840 So when you get to the to the center of 639 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,199 the maze and he's in his cube pyramid form flowing 640 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,119 up there he has it's like a I don't know 641 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,719 what to discribe. It's like a demonic version of a 642 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,519 what do you call the light that the ship's lighthouse, 643 00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:14,920 like a demonic version of a lighthouse. And he has 644 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,119 this black beam that scans around like like surn or 645 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:23,159 something order, and when the black beam hits you, it 646 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480 like penetrates your whole being. And it just made me 647 00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,719 think of like a reverse version of theosis. So rather 648 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,440 than being deified by the divine energies and participating in 649 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,760 divine life, this is the demonic inversion of this that 650 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,400 when you get to the hell world, Leviathan reverse inverse 651 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:47,000 deifies you through the satanic black light. It penetrates your 652 00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:52,159 whole being, and then you become a cenobite. You become 653 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,599 demonicized instead of deified. 654 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,079 Speaker 3: Well, the evil Doctor got what he asked for. 655 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, he becomes a cenobite. 656 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 3: Immortality through becoming a brain sucking cinema. Yes. And then yeah, 657 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,079 the demons trick you into becoming a sacrifice for them. 658 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:09,519 Speaker 2: Yes. 659 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 3: Pinhead has a thing for Kirsty, the girl who's runs 660 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:26,719 in the movies Christy Cotton. Yeah. Uh, he always spares 661 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,800 her for some reason. 662 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 2: Well, in this one, she shows up and somehow has 663 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,679 a picture of him because. 664 00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,199 Speaker 3: She reminded him that he was human ones. 665 00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was a British soldier at the time 666 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,639 of World War One, I think. And then he somehow 667 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,199 got ahold of the cube and he was doing meditation 668 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:53,559 and he wanted to solve the mysteries, right, So he 669 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,119 was on this quest I guess for esoteric knowledge, and 670 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,239 then the cube is he solves it and then gets 671 00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:06,840 tricked into being into Hell, right, and then he gets 672 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,840 turned into a cenobite, so he's forgotten that he was human, 673 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,760 and she reminded him of that with that picture, and 674 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,480 then she let him go, and then they ended up 675 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:20,400 all the cinnobytes had to fight the crazy doctor, the 676 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:25,559 evil doctor cinebite because he's like, I'm taking over Hell now, right, yeah, 677 00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:30,519 like you do? But he actually they so they turn 678 00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:33,239 human again, the cenobites and die. Yeah. 679 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of them was a little boy or 680 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,079 something like. It wasn't what you would expect. 681 00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 2: But I don't understand. So one thing I didn't get 682 00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:47,159 was why does where does Penn had come back? If 683 00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:50,639 he's been turned into a human and killed, does he 684 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,599 still go to Hell? That would suck, right, I don't know. 685 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 3: Maybe the other Hellraisers take place in a different time. 686 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,639 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think we're just supposed to think 687 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:03,400 that when he dies, he goes to Hell and then 688 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,599 he's just turned into Pinhead again because in the third one, 689 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:10,960 which is terrible, he comes back as Pinhead memory. No, 690 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,119 we watched like minutes, Yes, but we didn't because there's 691 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:20,400 that pull the art post with all the faces on it, Yeah, 692 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,519 which becomes the new portal. Yeah, and so the artist 693 00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:26,760 that one's one thing that is interesting about that one, 694 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,400 which is terrible. I don't recommend it at all, but 695 00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,719 it's an artist who basically has a deal with Pinhead 696 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,239 or and the demons to be successful as an artist, 697 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,920 but he has to bring sacrificial victions to Pinhead. 698 00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:43,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, howras What do you. 699 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:50,039 Speaker 2: Think is that the end? What's at the end? On 700 00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:50,599 the notes? 701 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:56,280 Speaker 3: They were once human? She closes the portal to Hell, 702 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,039 but they don't believe her to destroy the mass. 703 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,559 Speaker 2: There was one other thing about the who is the 704 00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:03,079 blonde check? Was that in the third one? 705 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,760 Speaker 3: No, this was the second one. No, the blonde girl 706 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,199 was a prisoner of the evil doctor who found out 707 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,280 she was good at puzzles. So he's the. 708 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 2: Person who ends up looking like it's she meets Pinhead 709 00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,880 in his human form in the dream realm? Is that 710 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:24,440 part three? 711 00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:26,039 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's fir okay. 712 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 2: Never mind, I'm getting three part three, an I do. Well. 713 00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,400 Let me point out too that we will have the 714 00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:39,199 I don't know if we have enough time for both 715 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,960 of these. Maybe we can. 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Remember, guys, after this is 743 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:28,039 a debate with Pedro, so I'm gonna rely on coffee 744 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,079 and the Chalk dot Com to give me the energy 745 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,920 to after debating for hours today in Discord and doing 746 00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:45,679 this lovely show with my wife Jamie also having a 747 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,480 debate after. 748 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,679 Speaker 3: This, do you want to save the next two for 749 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,360 like maybe a. 750 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 2: Couple of days, So yeah, you know, I think we should. Yeah, 751 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,840 We'll do the super chats and then we'll do which 752 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,079 ones are left. Night Maroll on Elm Street Friday thirteenth. 753 00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:04,039 Then and what. 754 00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 3: That's it? Well, a little bit of Halloween two thousand 755 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,519 and seven, but we had to turn that off. 756 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll pick Yeah, that one's too gruesome, So maybe 757 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,960 we'll pick another eighties horror movie that we didn't do. 758 00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:24,000 So I saw some trailer information stuff for like Freddy 759 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,639 two and three. Even though they looked terrible, they actually 760 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,880 looked interesting and similar to the hell Raiser thing Freddy, 761 00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,920 because Freddy brings you to like the hell world, the 762 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,480 dream world. 763 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 3: Freddy two is really weird and it has its own 764 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:42,559 yea following because it's a Skittles. There's a lot of 765 00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,119 inuns that they call it the. 766 00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:51,079 Speaker 2: I remember watching two or three where they can't get 767 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,320 out of the dream world and it kind of creeped 768 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:53,599 me out. 769 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,280 Speaker 3: Back in the nineties, well, the new reboot Freddy they 770 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,519 did with the guy from Watchman Ruschak, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 771 00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:06,840 he played Freddy and he wasn't a killer at all. 772 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,719 He was falsely accused by the parents or something like that. 773 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,280 He was a slow boy that just liked kids. I 774 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,079 don't remember if he actually did it or not. 775 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,159 Speaker 2: Okay, I wish to watch those and put that in 776 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,239 there instead. 777 00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:24,519 Speaker 3: Because it's Jason Halloween. Yeah, that's next Friday the thirteenth. 778 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:25,119 We're going to do that. 779 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,039 Speaker 2: But Jamie had never seen the first one, so she 780 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,760 didn't know that the first one wasn't about Jason. Huh. 781 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:36,199 Speaker 3: Yes, the twist surprised me because it's a lot like Psycho. 782 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,639 Speaker 2: That's why everybody likes the first Friday thirteenth because it's 783 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,559 a twist, okay, and then it gets goofy and goofyer 784 00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:47,480 and goofyer with So if you thought Michael Myers was bad, 785 00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:52,519 like Jason is the ultimate, like dude, like, how many 786 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,199 times can this guy die? It's like over the top. 787 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,800 There's one of them. I think it's like part four 788 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,840 or five, where like the whole movie is basically just 789 00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,239 dying and he's still after like like he falls off 790 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,440 a tractor and gets run over and he you know, 791 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:07,960 gets blown up and and he doesn't stop. 792 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,119 Speaker 3: Just kidding, right, So we're gonna do Stephen. 793 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 2: King movies, Yes, the good and the bad and more 794 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,960 bad than good. There's plenty of awful Stephen King movies, and. 795 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,360 Speaker 3: We're gonna do b movies that we're good. 796 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, as you know, we do good bad movies, right, 797 00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:33,440 Golden Trash, B horror that was good. Yeah. B movies 798 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,960 with a message, one of which is Spellbinder by the way. Yeah, 799 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:43,000 well if you're looking for a B version, Eyes White 800 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,519 Shut Spellbinder. 801 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we might do like Trolls and Leprechaun just 802 00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,599 for fun. Yeah. Someone said Leprechaun with Snoop Dogg. That 803 00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:52,159 sounds fine. 804 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,039 Speaker 2: Lepre Control are also yeah, classic kind of garbage movies. 805 00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 3: So yeah, so now you can do October with us 806 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,519 Stephen King and b Horn. 807 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,639 Speaker 2: Do you want to get to these super chaps? Yep, 808 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,599 So there's this one. 809 00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:11,519 Speaker 3: Here, okay, Supreme gentlewoman five dollars. Jim Goad continuously claims 810 00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:18,719 you backed out of a debate on the truth of Christianity. 811 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,519 He asserts great apologists like yourself refuse to debate him 812 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:26,480 because of his ma AQ. Is there a chance we 813 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:29,079 could see this debate happen? Thanks Shane. 814 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 2: So, uh, the reason we didn't debate was because we 815 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,119 had an email exchange. If I recall maybe five or 816 00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:43,400 ten emails back and forth over whether the word eternal 817 00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:46,880 covenant means that the Old Testament is an eternal covenant 818 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,119 and therefore there could never be a new covenant. So 819 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,199 we spent about ten emails going back and forth about that, 820 00:53:52,519 --> 00:54:00,360 and his interpretation was had no flexibility or allowance for news, 821 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,440 So I didn't think there would be any point in 822 00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,199 having that debate. But no, it had nothing to do 823 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,320 with saying that he had a low IQ or anything 824 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,000 like that. I just didn't think the debate would go 825 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:14,000 anywhere given the rigidity that he had about a couple 826 00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:17,639 of verses dealing with the Old Testament. So I just 827 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,800 didn't think there would be any point in that debate. 828 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,840 Had nothing to do with anybody's like you. 829 00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:31,840 Speaker 3: Okay, the green Feathers ten dollars, I hate Halloween stores 830 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,559 and destiny. Check out the video I uploaded on Orthodox fasting. 831 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:38,920 Where's that. 832 00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:46,159 Speaker 2: In the chat? Assuming means his channel? Oh green Feather's channel, 833 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:46,639 I presume. 834 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:55,480 Speaker 3: Okay, Brian Gumbel two dollars spectacular stream Jay, what you 835 00:54:55,639 --> 00:55:00,519 think about destiny saying suppositionalists suck because two people debating 836 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,320 who claimed to have morality from God can't get anywhere 837 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,639 in the debate. Elemo, Well, this. 838 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,360 Speaker 2: Is just a misunderstanding, as many kind of basic bitch 839 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,920 atheists have about what presubsitionalism is right. They think that 840 00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:16,000 it means that you just have presubpositions and nobody can 841 00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:20,039 debate presubpositions. That's, of course not what the debate or 842 00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,920 presubsitionalism is. In fact, the transmittal argument is a formal 843 00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:27,480 logical argument, right. You can put it into a disjunctive 844 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,280 X as a necessary condition of why why therefore X. 845 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,880 So that's just not what presubsitionalism is. 846 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,360 Speaker 3: Nicodemus three dollars, Hey, j are you going to do 847 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,480 an analysis of squid game? Could get mad views considering 848 00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,199 its popularity. Don't want to spoil it, but has some 849 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,280 stuff suitable for your film analysis. 850 00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:49,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. 851 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,519 Speaker 3: That's a brand new show that's going super popular about 852 00:55:57,199 --> 00:55:58,920 as far as I can tell, kind of like Logan's 853 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:06,199 Run or what's the one with the games the Hunger 854 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,239 not Handinger games? 855 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,760 Speaker 2: But like where you have to Yeah, okay, yeah, cool, Yeah, 856 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,480 I'll check it out. Sounds cool. I don't know about it. 857 00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:20,639 Speaker 3: Go ahead, okay, McKay The King of Mikhail, the King 858 00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:24,440 of Kings. Five dollars? What up? King Jay and Queen 859 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,760 Jamie God bless Jay in regards to your thearine action 860 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,280 figures being used for the forces of black Magic. Check 861 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,039 out the Clive Barker Tortured Soul series that Todd McFarlane 862 00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:38,639 put out for children to purchase in toy stores. Okay there, 863 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,559 Clive Barker Tortured Souls. Okay, Yeah. 864 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,000 Speaker 2: And Tom McFarlane is the guy that did Spawn, which 865 00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:48,599 is one of the worst movies of all time. 866 00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,039 Speaker 3: And the first weird stuff I did that I don't 867 00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:53,760 sell anymore. I talk a lot about toys. Yeah, you 868 00:56:53,840 --> 00:57:00,639 know one. Roger Cheetah Kennedy, Leon Kennedy, you both are awesome. 869 00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:03,920 Can you recommend any philosophical books on the difference between 870 00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:09,000 the correspondence, utilitarian and coherence model of truth and why 871 00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:12,000 coherence is superior? Also, I heard Bruce Campbell has been 872 00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:13,480 doing more YouTube stuff. Thanks. 873 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 2: So Bruce Campbell did reply to the email. He said 874 00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,159 he was just too busy at the time to come on, 875 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,280 but we would like to probably try again, maybe in 876 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,119 a few months and see if he would come back 877 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,920 and or actually come on right since he has been 878 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,599 doing that. So that's a great idea. Really, the best 879 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,559 thing would be just the bonjour text on epistemology. So 880 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,360 that's an introduction book that Father Deacon recommends. It's used 881 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,719 in graduate undergraduate philosophy classes for epistemology one oh one, 882 00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:50,199 and that will give you the different positions on truth 883 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,719 and coherence. Theory is just true in one aspect, so 884 00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,800 we're not as presuppositionalists bound to a secular theory have coherence. 885 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,440 It's just that they have some good critiques of the 886 00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:12,960 correspondence and foundationalist views. K Roger Chido, that's an awesome name. 887 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 3: Roger Cheeto twelve dollars. Who wins in a sax Off 888 00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:19,360 Sweaty sax Man from Lost Boys or Bill Pullman. 889 00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 2: In Lost Highway, Fred Madison or Tim Capello. Tim Capello 890 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:31,079 wins because Tim Cappello literally doesn't care about anything. If 891 00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:34,960 you can wear a literal chain around your neck like 892 00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:38,960 a dolt, like a like a chain link chain with 893 00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:46,679 giant padlocks and spandex and be oiled up and play 894 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,519 a saxophone, yeah, like you don't care, dude. And the 895 00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:54,440 problem with Fred Madison is that he is cucked and 896 00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:59,800 cares about everything, Like he's freaking out over just thinking 897 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,840 that his wife might be cheating, and he basically has 898 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,280 a meltdown playing the Sacks, So I mean, who does that? 899 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,480 Tell you? Right? There is gonna win. Tim Capello. 900 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,760 Speaker 3: He's like twice his size too, so yeah, yeah, Russian 901 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,039 Messenger five dollars. Great work you two are making. Keep 902 00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,400 it up, Jay and Jamie. God bless thank you, bless you. 903 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:26,760 Speaker 2: Chanks Dog. Sorry we didn't get to the other ones, 904 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,159 but we're gonna have to do this debate here in 905 00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:31,320 a few minutes, so guys stick around. 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