Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Speaker 1: Tonight's story isn't from a hunter or a hiker. It's
Speaker 1: from Erin, a listener originally from Eugene, Oregon, who just
Speaker 1: wanted a quiet weekend in the woods. But what they
Speaker 1: got was anything but quiet, and three nights of silence
Speaker 1: that felt too still, an eight hundred pound owl that
Speaker 1: didn't exist in lights that danced in the sky, and
Speaker 1: footsteps quiet but heavy, circling their tent in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. Whatever was out there, it wasn't elk,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't alone. This is the story of Erin
Speaker 1: and the thing that walked beside the tent. All right,
Speaker 1: Big for Society. I have got the privilege of talking
Speaker 1: to Erin today. Erin is an individual who's a listener
Speaker 1: of the show from the Pacific Northwest. Reached out regarding
Speaker 1: some things that they would want to share today, and
Speaker 1: it's pleasure to have Aaron on the show. Erin, how
Speaker 1: are you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great and I'm happy to be here talking
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely I know a little bit about what you're going
Speaker 1: to share, because you did share some before during your
Speaker 1: sign up and this area is a very interesting area.
Speaker 1: We've had a few people share regarding this area, so
Speaker 1: you know, I want to make sure you have the
Speaker 1: time to share everything that you need to today, Aaron. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and pass things over to
Speaker 1: you and feel free to take us back to when
Speaker 1: this happened to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, Well, I'm going to talk about my personal
Speaker 2: experience I had. This was in twenty twenty, and it
Speaker 2: was you know, early COVID years, and my wife and
Speaker 2: I lived in Eugene, Oregon, and we had used that
Speaker 2: time of isolation to go out to the woods and
Speaker 2: you know, learned how to forage and camp, doing a
Speaker 2: lot of camping and just taking a lot of hikes.
Speaker 2: And so it's a really good time for us in
Speaker 2: a way because we were out in the woods a lot.
Speaker 2: But we missed our friends up north. So we decided
Speaker 2: to book this camping spot up in I would say
Speaker 2: Granted Falls Arlington area, and we were going to go
Speaker 2: visit my sister and another good friend of mine said,
Speaker 2: been a long time since we saw anyone. So that
Speaker 2: was later in the summer of two thousand and twenty,
Speaker 2: and we had been camping a lot, and so I
Speaker 2: was excited to go. But something weird happened before we left.
Speaker 2: I got this, like I don't know how to would
Speaker 2: even say. It was kind of like a message or
Speaker 2: a kind of a psychic message that I could have
Speaker 2: some kind of encounter. And I said to whatever was
Speaker 2: talking to me, I said, I don't really want an encounter.
Speaker 2: Just leave us alone, you know. And I am kind
Speaker 2: of a sensitive so you know, I've had a lot
Speaker 2: of you could say, paranormal or kind of strange experiences
Speaker 2: in my life, but I'm not a chaser of them,
Speaker 2: at least not anymore. I did in my past, and
Speaker 2: I just kind of want to be left alone now.
Speaker 2: But I did. I was very much aware of Sasquatch
Speaker 2: and you know, growing up in Seattle area, and you know,
Speaker 2: I just kind of knew that it was around, or
Speaker 2: I hoped it was around, let's put it that way. Anyway.
Speaker 2: So we hooked it up to Washington State and from Eugene,
Speaker 2: and the first day we arrived at this camp site,
Speaker 2: it was kind of like back behind it was like
Speaker 2: a good I don't know, a quarter mile behind this
Speaker 2: house and it was off, you know. We booked it
Speaker 2: off one of these camp sites you can you can rent,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of back in this kind of
Speaker 2: old second growth forest area, and we pulled up this
Speaker 2: driveway and it was like a little packed, packed gravel driveway.
Speaker 2: We pulled up in our truck and kind of looked around,
Speaker 2: set up our tents in the driveway like in front
Speaker 2: of the truck, and then there was a small campground
Speaker 2: where we could like cook and stuff and had a
Speaker 2: couple of logs we could sit on, so it wasn't big.
Speaker 2: We did. We put our tents up in the driveway.
Speaker 2: Behind that was the truck, and you could there was
Speaker 2: not a lot of room to walk, you know, up
Speaker 2: and down the driveway. You had to really get in
Speaker 2: the bushes to get in your tent, so that's kind
Speaker 2: of it was kind of important. And then there was
Speaker 2: like just to kind of like tell people there's this
Speaker 2: little camp site. And then off to the left there
Speaker 2: was this beaver pond down below, and off to the
Speaker 2: right where this kind of hills that went up into
Speaker 2: the cascades. Right it just kind of got bigger and bigger,
Speaker 2: and then to the north there was this ridge. It
Speaker 2: was pretty high up I would say about two hundred
Speaker 2: three hundred feet high, and you know, so it was
Speaker 2: kind of surrounded by you know, hills in this ridge
Speaker 2: then down below this beaver pond. So you're like, we're
Speaker 2: all cool, you know, we made some dinner, we got
Speaker 2: through in the afternoon, We're starting to get dinner together.
Speaker 2: But I just noticed like it was quiet. It was
Speaker 2: super quiet. And we had been camping a lot in
Speaker 2: in Oregon, and I thought, well, maybe, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: it's just kind of weird in Washington. You know, I
Speaker 2: haven't done a lot of camping up here, so maybe
Speaker 2: there's just not a lot of bug noises or birds
Speaker 2: or whatever. You could hear a pin drop, and the
Speaker 2: air was just so still. It was just like heavy,
Speaker 2: and I was kind of freaked out about that. And
Speaker 2: around the camp around the campsite is about a four
Speaker 2: foot hedge of salal bushes, you know, and I just gosh,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, just kept kind of shining
Speaker 2: my my flashlight around, just make sure there was no
Speaker 2: eye shine, nothing watching us. I just kind of felt weird.
Speaker 2: That night, it got real dark, dinner was over, and
Speaker 2: the moon was rising, was a full moon. Still no sounds,
Speaker 2: no night sounds, nothing, and we were just sitting and talking,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, we hear this howl out
Speaker 2: in the hills behind the camp campsite, and it was
Speaker 2: one of those Ohio howl sounds, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like started real low and it got kind of higher
Speaker 2: and it was long. And I looked at my wife
Speaker 2: and I said, I think we're not alone, and she
Speaker 2: kind of looked at me. And then we heard another
Speaker 2: one and I said, I know what that sound is.
Speaker 2: I think there's a sasquatch around here. And she was like,
Speaker 2: what it was probably I'm going to say about a
Speaker 2: mile away, but it was real loud, and I mean,
Speaker 2: nothing has lungs like that. A wolf doesn't have lungs
Speaker 2: like that. And I could tell like there was something
Speaker 2: out there. So I was like, okay, cool, you know
Speaker 2: that's cool. They're here. You know. I just said, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, we respect you. We're not going to do nothing.
Speaker 2: Just leave us alone, you know. And so we were
Speaker 2: sitting there and just kind of talking about that for
Speaker 2: a minute, and then we see up in the ridge.
Speaker 2: She kind of points up at the ridge and there
Speaker 2: are these lights up there, and you know, they're pretty
Speaker 2: far up there, but the lights were off off the
Speaker 2: ground a bit and they were like white or blank
Speaker 2: lights and they were moving around and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: that's got to be a plane, right, like we're looking
Speaker 2: at really high maybe the optics or something or kind
Speaker 2: of a optical illusion or something like that. But the
Speaker 2: lights were moving kind of back and forth, kind of zigzaging,
Speaker 2: and I was like, plane doesn't do that, doesn't zigzag
Speaker 2: like that. And yeah, we were just watching them for
Speaker 2: I don't know, good about twenty minutes. And I had
Speaker 2: seen UFOs before down in the desert dig down in
Speaker 2: New Mexico and Arizona, so I was like, well, we
Speaker 2: have more company. So we just kind of kind of
Speaker 2: watched the light show and the moon came up. We
Speaker 2: watched the moon for a while and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's time to go to bed. You know, everything's cool.
Speaker 2: So still the whole night and no sounds, no night sounds,
Speaker 2: no bugs, nothing. So the next day it was kind
Speaker 2: of a normal day. We went out, we did some stuff,
Speaker 2: saw some friends, came back, and it was just normal,
Speaker 2: like you hear the crickets or whatever they are out there,
Speaker 2: birds flapping around. We saw a heron fly by, the
Speaker 2: beaver was in a great mood. He was jumping in,
Speaker 2: in and out of that pond. You know. We ate
Speaker 2: some dinner, We saw the moon rise, and we saw
Speaker 2: the light show again up on that ridge, and you know,
Speaker 2: we're backaways, we're in the foothills, and I don't think
Speaker 2: that was someone running around with a flashlight. There was
Speaker 2: no house up there or anything, and it was it
Speaker 2: was flying above the surface of the ridge. So we
Speaker 2: just you know, I just figured it was some UFOs
Speaker 2: or something, you know. So we watched that for a
Speaker 2: while and went to bed, and it was just kind
Speaker 2: of a normal night. We have a couple of dogs
Speaker 2: with us too, and one is you know, kind of
Speaker 2: special needs, and I have my little little dog. So
Speaker 2: we had two tents. They were set up right next
Speaker 2: to each other, and the one dog needs a little
Speaker 2: special medication anxiety issues. So we just thought we'd have
Speaker 2: two tents, you know, and my wife's snores and I
Speaker 2: didn't want to be around. So anyway, we had two
Speaker 2: tents and you know, that night went by without incident,
Speaker 2: but the third night something happened. We had we got back,
Speaker 2: we were out in Index and we were out by
Speaker 2: the river and got a lot of sun, and we
Speaker 2: came back and you know, we're kind of tired, but
Speaker 2: we wanted to walk around the area a bit, the
Speaker 2: area around our camp ground, and there were a couple
Speaker 2: of trails that one was real dark, and I had
Speaker 2: a lot of like old trees that had fallen down
Speaker 2: back there, and there was like it was real dark
Speaker 2: with trees, but there were some old trees that had
Speaker 2: fallen and it just kind of gave me the creeps.
Speaker 2: And I said to her, you know, I just don't
Speaker 2: want to be back here. It feels real squatchy to me.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't I don't know. You know,
Speaker 2: she's been listening to me about sasquatch for years and
Speaker 2: people think I'm nuts, but I just know they're out there,
Speaker 2: you know, and I kind of have this I kind
Speaker 2: of have a love for them because you know, they're
Speaker 2: kind of like the they're kind of like free beings,
Speaker 2: you know, and I just I like the idea of
Speaker 2: these beings running around free, and you know, certainly we're
Speaker 2: not free, So I like the idea of a wild
Speaker 2: kind of humanoid creature running around. You know. It just
Speaker 2: makes me feel like kind of expand of thinking about it. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I've always talked about it, but I don't
Speaker 2: really I'm not a big advocate of chasing them. I
Speaker 2: think just leaving them alone, you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: if you come across one, it's kind of like a gift.
Speaker 2: But I didn't want to come across one out there
Speaker 2: because it just felt real creepy. So and when I
Speaker 2: first got that message before we left, I felt like
Speaker 2: it just felt weird, Like I just I didn't want
Speaker 2: to have an encounter, you know, I just didn't. So anyway,
Speaker 2: the third night we came back, we went down that
Speaker 2: creepy trail, we walked around the property a bit, and
Speaker 2: we were walking back to the campsite and my dog,
Speaker 2: I have a little shit too. He was all of
Speaker 2: a sudden stopped in the middle of the trail and
Speaker 2: was like stunned. He was just he wouldn't move. He
Speaker 2: was like kind of in a little fugue or something.
Speaker 2: And I kept trying to like say, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: come on, dude, let's go back to the site. It's
Speaker 2: not too far. But he wouldn't. He couldn't move. So
Speaker 2: I picked him up and I said, gosh, there's something
Speaker 2: wrong with him. And my wife was like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: probably just really tired. But I had never seen him
Speaker 2: like this. You know, we had taken him out to
Speaker 2: the woods a lot, so maybe he was tired. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But we got back up to the site
Speaker 2: and I put him in my tent with a little
Speaker 2: bit of food and some water, and he just was
Speaker 2: He just kind of like tipped over and laid down.
Speaker 2: And I was kind of worried. Should I bring him
Speaker 2: to the vet? And she was like, no, he's just okay.
Speaker 2: You know, I'd never seen him like that. So anyway,
Speaker 2: we got to making dinner and stuff, and I started
Speaker 2: feeling real nervous. I just started feeling like my anxiety
Speaker 2: was like real visceral in my body, and the sun
Speaker 2: was going down and I just it was quiet again,
Speaker 2: and I was kind of so nervous that I didn't
Speaker 2: even want to eat, you know, I just I didn't
Speaker 2: say anything to my wife, didn't want to scare or anything,
Speaker 2: but I just felt like there was something around and
Speaker 2: I would do the flashlight thing and the bushes and
Speaker 2: around the back and I didn't see anything, but again,
Speaker 2: so quiet, and she was like, you know, we heard
Speaker 2: the beavers jump in the lake and that was the
Speaker 2: only sound you heard, and we didn't see any lights,
Speaker 2: and she was like, you know, I need to I'm
Speaker 2: just exhausted. I'm going to go to bed into her tent.
Speaker 2: My whole body was just vibrating, and so I went
Speaker 2: into my tent and I was like, well, I had
Speaker 2: some old This is how old I am. I had
Speaker 2: a CD player with like headphones, and I brought the
Speaker 2: CD to play just in case I needed to have
Speaker 2: some music to go to sleep, and I put those
Speaker 2: on and I was just trying to calm myself because
Speaker 2: I just felt so uneasy. And anyway, I must have
Speaker 2: fallen asleep, but I don't know. It must have been
Speaker 2: maybe a maybe an hour or two later, or maybe
Speaker 2: I woke up to three sounds that seemed like there
Speaker 2: may be maybe about maybe one hundred yards away. I'm
Speaker 2: not very good at my distance, but and you know,
Speaker 2: I thought I was original in saying this, but I've
Speaker 2: heard it since on people's encounters. It sounded like an
Speaker 2: eight hundred pound owl. And I was like, there were
Speaker 2: three exact same sounds and they cut through the night
Speaker 2: like butter. It was whatever made those sounds had lungs
Speaker 2: that I just can't even imagine like whale's lungs or something,
Speaker 2: and it sounded like they were trying to be an owl,
Speaker 2: but that wasn't no owl, okay. And I was just
Speaker 2: like I just kind of shot up, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what the check was that? And I just didn't know
Speaker 2: what to make of it. It just woke me up,
Speaker 2: and I just something was out there, not too far away.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, I just put the headphones back
Speaker 2: on and just tried to like go back to sleep,
Speaker 2: you know, I just I just don't think about it,
Speaker 2: go back to sleep. Well, it must have been I
Speaker 2: don't know. Another hour or two later, I shot up
Speaker 2: and my body, my whole body was in full on,
Speaker 2: full metal jacket terror. Okay. I was like my heart
Speaker 2: was racing. I thought I was gonna throw up. I
Speaker 2: was in absolute a state of terror. And I was
Speaker 2: in that state before it even woke up. It's hard
Speaker 2: to explain that, but I wasn't even quite awake to
Speaker 2: know why my body was shaking so hard, and I
Speaker 2: was like trying to get control, you know, myself, you know,
Speaker 2: And then I hear a footstep and it's right outside
Speaker 2: my tent, and it was like really quiet. It was
Speaker 2: a quiet footstep, and then like I thought, well, this
Speaker 2: can't be a bear because we kind of we did
Speaker 2: the you know, the thing you shouldn't do. We left
Speaker 2: our dishes unwashed after dinner, and I thought, of it
Speaker 2: was a bear. We hit it rooting around out there,
Speaker 2: trying to get some food or whatever. But this thing
Speaker 2: was right outside my tent, and whatever it was was
Speaker 2: huge because I heard the second step and it was
Speaker 2: trying to be real quiet, but it was like crushing
Speaker 2: the crush gravel, you know, the crush gravel, like how
Speaker 2: they crush it so it's almost solid, but I could
Speaker 2: hear the sound kind of crushing, and I was just
Speaker 2: I was like out of control, was terrified, and I
Speaker 2: was like stop breathing, but at the same time, I
Speaker 2: was worried, like I was going to throw up. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was so scary and my heart was beating so fast.
Speaker 2: I'm sure whatever was out there heard it. So I
Speaker 2: was trying to like breathe real quiet and not make
Speaker 2: any more sounds. And then I heard another step and
Speaker 2: it was just kind of like going to the right
Speaker 2: of my tent, and I just knew whatever this was
Speaker 2: freaking huge. Because the crunch took a long time to crunch,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean of the footstep. So at
Speaker 2: that point I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: throw up here because my body was just shaking. And
Speaker 2: I grabbed my backpack and was like rooting for some
Speaker 2: pepto bismo or something, and I heard it one more step,
Speaker 2: and then the next thing I know, I'm serious. The
Speaker 2: next thing I know, I woke up the next morning.
Speaker 2: I don't remember passing out. I'm not a person who's
Speaker 2: ever passed out in my life. I woke up the
Speaker 2: next morning and I don't even know like how that happened.
Speaker 2: So I went out of my tent and I didn't
Speaker 2: say anything at first, but I tried to kind of
Speaker 2: stomp around outside of my tent to see if I
Speaker 2: could make that sound. And I couldn't make that sound
Speaker 2: with my boots. So whatever was out there was walking
Speaker 2: on two legs must have been pretty freaking huge to
Speaker 2: make that sound because of the pack gravel. So I
Speaker 2: told my wife, I said, I had an experience last night,
Speaker 2: but let's just start packing. Let's go, And so we
Speaker 2: got all our stuff in the car and we took
Speaker 2: off and then I kind of told her what happened,
Speaker 2: and so that was kind of like that. And you know,
Speaker 2: I remember that day so well because as we were
Speaker 2: driving back to Eugene, it was the day of the
Speaker 2: big fire down there, of the Holiday farm fire. I
Speaker 2: could see the smoke in the distance, and I went
Speaker 2: from like it was kind of a terrifying experience I
Speaker 2: had that night into a very terrifying experience in Eugene
Speaker 2: and in that area down there. So I didn't really
Speaker 2: process it for a while because we went into like
Speaker 2: two weeks of danger, you know, from that fire that
Speaker 2: was happening, and so that was kind of it. But
Speaker 2: I will say about two years ago, so what was
Speaker 2: that In twenty three, I was talking to a buddy
Speaker 2: of mine up in Washington and we had since moved
Speaker 2: up here to Washington State, and I was talking to
Speaker 2: him and he asked me, do you know about Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, you know, he says,
Speaker 2: I listened to the Bigfoot podcast and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do too. You know, they said if you ever
Speaker 2: had an experience, and said, well, I actually actually I
Speaker 2: kind of think I did. You know, I can't one
Speaker 2: hundred percent say, I did, but I told him about it.
Speaker 2: I told him the area and he said he kind
Speaker 2: of looked white, and he said, you know, my buddy
Speaker 2: is a hunting is a hunter and he goes up
Speaker 2: in that area and he's run across a family twice
Speaker 2: up there, and he won't tell me where because he
Speaker 2: doesn't want he wants everyone to leave him alone. But
Speaker 2: he's run across a family, like, you know, person to
Speaker 2: person up there. So I was like, well, that makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense then, because I can't I can't
Speaker 2: figure else what else would be that big that came
Speaker 2: off the hills because they couldn't walk up the driveway,
Speaker 2: and so I think that I think it was this asquatch.
Speaker 2: I do, especially if you kind of put everything together,
Speaker 2: the noises, you know, the silence, and that just feeling
Speaker 2: of being watch and stuff. So that was my first experience.
Speaker 2: I'll stop there for a sec. If you have any questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Aaron, that was man. I can't imagine going
Speaker 1: going through that. Who. I don't know how you did it.
Speaker 1: I I definitely have have some questions for you. M
Speaker 1: did your wife experience anything that night at all?
Speaker 2: No, because she was she just passed out, she was tired.
Speaker 2: The dog. Her dog was also on anti anxiety medication,
Speaker 2: so that dog was asleep. My dog was asleep. My
Speaker 2: dog was like down for the count, you know. So
Speaker 2: it was just me.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, And it sounds like you left extremely quick the
Speaker 1: next morning. But any any footprints at all or maybe
Speaker 1: markings on the truck windows that you noticed at a
Speaker 1: later time.
Speaker 2: Gosh, I didn't even look. There's no footprints because it
Speaker 2: was so it was that pat gravel, you know, there
Speaker 2: were no footprints that I could see either.
Speaker 1: What CD were you listening to when you were trying
Speaker 1: to go to bed.
Speaker 2: It was probably like a flute, like a like a
Speaker 2: Japanese flute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. It's pretty relaxing, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was trying to relax. I just felt there,
Speaker 2: I really did.
Speaker 1: What did you have for dinner that night? Of I
Speaker 1: guess the third night.
Speaker 2: We had a couple of steaks, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Were all three nights kind of meat based, like
Speaker 1: the steak meal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're big meat eaters.
Speaker 1: That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, So you were definitely making
Speaker 1: some delicious smelling smells for a creature or the bigfoot
Speaker 1: who is totally into eating meat, and I know there's
Speaker 1: going to be so many comments after that's there no
Speaker 1: big eats planned. You get it, guys. There's a weird
Speaker 1: thing though. It seems like in most encounters they're drawn in.
Speaker 1: There's like a the campers will be cooking bacon. I've
Speaker 1: noticed that patterns very weird. But yes, steak, steak is there?
Speaker 1: You go that would do it? You mentioned coming across
Speaker 1: one is a gift? What can you explain why you
Speaker 1: have that that thought process of of why you think
Speaker 1: coming across one is as is a gift?
Speaker 2: Well, for me it would be, but you know, thinking
Speaker 2: that and then having that experience, and I can't say
Speaker 2: one hundred percent it was, but I'm thinking it's about
Speaker 2: ninety nine ninety eight percent. But I'm kind of of
Speaker 2: the you know mind that these are kind of extra
Speaker 2: special beings. And you know, in the First Nations people
Speaker 2: say that Sasquatch has real strong medicine, and if you
Speaker 2: have an experience of that, it's you know, they have
Speaker 2: very strong medicine of truth, you know, And I just
Speaker 2: think that's pretty cool. I have a lot of respect
Speaker 2: for them, and I never want to make them. I
Speaker 2: would never want to be intrusive to these beings because
Speaker 2: I do believe that they need to be left alone.
Speaker 2: And I just think that it would be a very
Speaker 2: powerful spiritual experience. And I will say too, as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: I am a sensitive for better or for worse, mostly
Speaker 2: for worse. But I'd never come across anything with that
Speaker 2: kind of energy in my life. And I used to
Speaker 2: do work with How would I even want to I
Speaker 2: don't want to even get to wu Wu because I
Speaker 2: don't want people to think that I'm like totally into
Speaker 2: the mu Wu. But I used to do some medicine
Speaker 2: work and would do some spirit work and back back
Speaker 2: in the day, and I came across a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff for good or for bad, and I came across
Speaker 2: when this energy was right next to me. I felt
Speaker 2: like it was almost like a reverse energy of anything
Speaker 2: I've ever experienced, like a reverse energy of human It
Speaker 2: was like a wild energy. And that may sound crazy,
Speaker 2: but I've never come across anything that felt like this.
Speaker 2: And I'm a big feeler and I can, you know,
Speaker 2: feel places, I can feel beings, I can feel things.
Speaker 2: I've never felt anything like this before.
Speaker 1: See. I think that's incredible and just and it's really cool,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I believe there are some individuals that have
Speaker 1: the ability to sense energy and different cultures and religions,
Speaker 1: and there's so many different ways to say what that is, right,
Speaker 1: but I think that that is an actual thing in people.
Speaker 1: And also I just need to get on a soapbox
Speaker 1: for a little bit. I swear if I if there's
Speaker 1: one thing I get accomplished in the next twenty to
Speaker 1: twenty five years, is that I wipe the phrase woo
Speaker 1: woo or woo out of the community seriously. Like so,
Speaker 1: because the way that I do it is I think
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, we need to take everything that
Speaker 1: is happening to people and consider it right and not
Speaker 1: just you know, totally just kick it to the side, like,
Speaker 1: oh it's too crazy or it's too freaky. No, there's
Speaker 1: stuff we don't understand, and science doesn't understand it either,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we will eventually, but man, it's just it
Speaker 1: gets to me, you know, it's like just people are
Speaker 1: experiencing some weird stuff and we have got to give
Speaker 1: it credence, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, yeah, I respect I respect that because
Speaker 2: I mean I can't hope that I have these have
Speaker 2: had these experiences in life and just a lot of
Speaker 2: like stuff we won't get into. But some of them
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily like at all, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: But I do believe that we've lost as humans or
Speaker 2: whatever we are. You know, I have my own theory
Speaker 2: about that, but I think we've lost a lot of
Speaker 2: our instincts, a lot of our kind of instinctual body.
Speaker 2: We've lost our connection with nature to a very large degree,
Speaker 2: to a devastating degree. And that these beings, whatever they are,
Speaker 2: if they are the original beings here and we're kind
Speaker 2: of more of a mix or vice versa, I think
Speaker 2: they do have more gifts. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: they do have more senses that we have somehow, maybe
Speaker 2: due to our what do you call that conditioning or
Speaker 2: whatever we've shut down over the century. Whatever.
Speaker 1: Now, after you had this three night experience, did you
Speaker 1: find that did anything out of the ordinary start happening afterwards,
Speaker 1: like when you got home, or did your senses become
Speaker 1: affected in any way that you realized or anything with that?
Speaker 2: You know, we went right into that big fire situation
Speaker 2: now and ash like half of Oregon was on fire. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, I didn't have a lot of chance
Speaker 2: to really process that, but I did write it down
Speaker 2: and I didn't really get back to it for a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've mentioned a few things a few times on
Speaker 1: the show, but I'll mention it again just in case
Speaker 1: anyone has experienced. But I think that sometimes I think
Speaker 1: based on you know, what people tell me, is I
Speaker 1: think that sometimes when an individual is in an encounter
Speaker 1: like this, or maybe in an area where there are sasquatch,
Speaker 1: it almost maybe unlocks something in the person. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of working through it, but it is
Speaker 1: another pattern that I've found that has kind of come
Speaker 1: up in multiple, multiple encounters over the years. It's very
Speaker 1: very strange, so something I'm still working through. After this.
Speaker 1: When you're you know, you're to the point, you're past
Speaker 1: the fires, you're processing everything through, you're like, what happened?
Speaker 1: What happened? Did you ever at any point be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder if this exact area has also had other
Speaker 1: things happen and it maybe I'll look on you know,
Speaker 1: BFRORO or the big Foot Mapping Project to see if
Speaker 1: other things have happened there.
Speaker 2: I think there have been some on bf ROW. I
Speaker 2: think there's some things up in you know, Grant Falls area.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty active up there. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: BFROL doesn't seem like it's updated a lot. I actually
Speaker 2: contacted the owners of the land and said, hey, I
Speaker 2: think I had experienced there. He was like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: just some elk or something. I said, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: elk walk feet and you know, ones on top of
Speaker 2: each other maybe you know, like but it was on
Speaker 2: two feet. And he was like, well, it's just some elk,
Speaker 2: you know. So he didn't want to get into it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I had it. You know. I grew up up there.
Speaker 2: We had a cabin up in the near Machias area,
Speaker 2: a little bit further than Machias in Granted you know,
Speaker 2: between matchaias Granted Falls area, and so we had a
Speaker 2: lot of land that I would walk around when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, and I always felt like there's something
Speaker 2: up there, but I didn't know, you know, and that
Speaker 2: was a long time ago. You know, I'm in my
Speaker 2: fifties now, but yeah, I just you know, I kind
Speaker 2: of grew up knowing there was something out there.
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to ask you before we
Speaker 1: continued was when you lived down in Eugene. Did you
Speaker 1: ever hear of any Bigfoot related things happening down there?
Speaker 2: Well, we had some. We had a couple of weird experiences.
Speaker 2: I can kind of go through those pretty quick, you know.
Speaker 2: One of the areas you talk about a lot of
Speaker 2: a Salmon creek and out of the Yeah, so this
Speaker 2: was during that same year probably, or maybe it was
Speaker 2: the year after. I don't know, but I got a message,
Speaker 2: one of those messages quote unquote to go to Salmon Creek,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't even know where that is.
Speaker 2: So I had to look it up and we found
Speaker 2: that it was out near Oakridge. Okay, cool. So we
Speaker 2: went out there. And whenever I get a message, I
Speaker 2: used to do it, you know, because usually the messages
Speaker 2: have always turned out really good for me in life.
Speaker 2: So we went out there and we were walking down
Speaker 2: the trails and stuff, and there was this one area
Speaker 2: where it's just super creepy. I felt like super creeped out,
Speaker 2: and there was a smell. It was really really strong
Speaker 2: and it smelled kind of like a horse but maybe
Speaker 2: some manure, but there was no horses around there. Like
Speaker 2: we were back on the river, on the creek or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I just kind of like brushed it off, and
Speaker 2: then we came back on that same trail and I
Speaker 2: kind of smelled it again, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a dead animal or something. But I just
Speaker 2: couldn't get out of there fast enough, if that makes
Speaker 2: any sense. So I don't know if it was in
Speaker 2: the exact area that we walked by the first time,
Speaker 2: but I did feel a little bit uneasy on that
Speaker 2: particular visit to Salmon Creek. And then the other experience
Speaker 2: we had in Oregon that was significant was we were
Speaker 2: out near Mary's Peak area near the in the Coastal Range,
Speaker 2: and we were camping nearby, and we decided to go
Speaker 2: to Mary's Peak, which is kind of like a little mountain,
Speaker 2: and I was doing some foraging and I was working
Speaker 2: on getting some Devil's Club and my wife took the dog,
Speaker 2: her dog up further the explore the trail up above
Speaker 2: where I was working on the Devil's Club, and she
Speaker 2: got off the creek, she got up there aways, and
Speaker 2: next thing I know, she was coming down the trail
Speaker 2: kind of white face, and her dog was like running
Speaker 2: down and I said, what's going on, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But we hit something up there and
Speaker 2: we were told not to come up any further, like
Speaker 2: we were not to go any further. The dog wouldn't move,
Speaker 2: and I just got kind of hit and I said said, okay,
Speaker 2: let's get out of here. And so you know, I
Speaker 2: had just finished with my little forage and we got
Speaker 2: back into the truck and she was like, I feel sick.
Speaker 2: I feel like I have a headache, and I feel
Speaker 2: really out of it. And I said, what exactly happened.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know. We just couldn't go any farther,
Speaker 2: Like the dog stopped and like I was told we
Speaker 2: do not go any further. And so I said, okay,
Speaker 2: let's get out of here. So we moved back to
Speaker 2: the campsite. And I said, I wonder if you got
Speaker 2: hit with some I mean just a theory, but that
Speaker 2: some of that infrasound, because it sounds like something was
Speaker 2: telling you not to proceed. And she had a headache
Speaker 2: and she was kind of nauseous that whole day. So
Speaker 2: I did look up Mary's Peak on THEFO and yes,
Speaker 2: there have been experiences up there, so I think she
Speaker 2: had her experience. It kind of it was kind of
Speaker 2: a humbling experience for her there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm absolutely not surprising, especially I mean I've heard
Speaker 1: multiple interviews brought up the Salmon Creek area of Oakridge.
Speaker 1: There's even stuff documented back to the seventies, I think
Speaker 1: in John Green's file. But thank you for sharing that that.
Speaker 1: I think that that was something that you hadn't even
Speaker 1: planned on bringing up.
Speaker 2: Correct the Mary's Peak experience. Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: That was weird. That was really weird. So we don't
Speaker 2: know what that was. But she was told not to
Speaker 2: proceed and she got the message and she was like,
Speaker 2: white is a ghost coming down that hill on that trail.
Speaker 2: So we go out in the woods a lot and
Speaker 2: have not had any weird experiences up here. We live
Speaker 2: in north of Seattle near Skeadget County, and we go
Speaker 2: out in the you know, the foothills a lot out there,
Speaker 2: and I, yeah, I'm learning that's actually not really safe
Speaker 2: to go out there. There's a lot of there's a
Speaker 2: lot of weird instances with humans out there. So we
Speaker 2: don't go out as much as we used to, but
Speaker 2: we do go out, you know, up in Watam County
Speaker 2: and stuff. So I haven't had experience like that since.
Speaker 2: But I have a friend who had an experience down
Speaker 2: in Montesano up experience, and I can tell you about
Speaker 2: that too. Point that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you said, was that Monte Sano? Is that Washington?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in Washington, south southwest Washington, kind of a
Speaker 2: little bit south of the peninsula. You know, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of logging out there. And so this is the
Speaker 2: last story I have. Actually, my niece this is another
Speaker 2: just a little side thing. I can't tell her story,
Speaker 2: but my niece grew up visiting her grandparents in the
Speaker 2: woods and she would get visited as a child by
Speaker 2: the monkey Man, like several times. Yeah, so she has
Speaker 2: her own I will say, I believe her, and I
Speaker 2: just know these things are true. I know that they're
Speaker 2: out there. So because I have another friend who had
Speaker 2: an experience down in Georgia that was like just absolutely
Speaker 2: terrifying story. But I can't tell her story either, but hm,
Speaker 2: she saw him ride up close right outside her house,
Speaker 2: like kind of creeping around her house and stuff. So
Speaker 2: but this this friend of mine down in Montaceo, Okay,
Speaker 2: so he owns this. Well, he's not with us anymore,
Speaker 2: but he owned this Patcher land. He had a house
Speaker 2: on it, and he was a prayer man, a Lakota
Speaker 2: prayer man. And he had a ceremony on his land.
Speaker 2: And there's a whole bunch of people that came, some
Speaker 2: from South Dakota and some people from Washington came. And
Speaker 2: it was a four day ceremony. And I was I
Speaker 2: was there on his land as one of the cooks.
Speaker 2: I was cooking for the people, and I was cooking
Speaker 2: in this little barn that he had. So I know
Speaker 2: his I know his property, and I know what he's
Speaker 2: talking about when he told told his story, and he
Speaker 2: told his story to my closest friend at that time.
Speaker 2: She's no longer with us either. But this guy would
Speaker 2: not tell he was he was a man of few words,
Speaker 2: let's put it that way. He was very he didn't
Speaker 2: talk much, and he was kind of a serious man.
Speaker 2: He was a prayer man, and he was very devoted
Speaker 2: to his spirituality. So anyway, and this barn, this little
Speaker 2: white shed or whatever that we cooked in was I
Speaker 2: don't know. Let me sink, you're one hundred feet from
Speaker 2: his house, I don't know. Something like that. So he
Speaker 2: had an experience after the ceremonies were done, and we
Speaker 2: all had experiences at that ceremony. But after that was
Speaker 2: done and over, maybe I don't know, within that year
Speaker 2: he was one. He went one day, was at his
Speaker 2: breakfast table, having his coffee. He looked out to it
Speaker 2: that for that shed, and there was a ten foot
Speaker 2: sasquatch just looking right at him, just looking straight through
Speaker 2: that window at him, and they looked at each other
Speaker 2: for a while, and my friend he just kind of
Speaker 2: nodded to him, and the sasquatch kind of pushed off
Speaker 2: from the shed and just slowly walked up this hill
Speaker 2: that's in the backyard of his property. And so he
Speaker 2: saw it right up front. And he's not much for
Speaker 2: a reaction, but he did tell that story, and if
Speaker 2: you told it, it's true. And he would also put
Speaker 2: people up on that hill in Humble a ceremony, which
Speaker 2: is the Vision Quest ceremony. And I have a friend
Speaker 2: who he put up on the hill for that four
Speaker 2: day ceremony up there, and she said that when she
Speaker 2: was in that ceremony up there by herself, she could
Speaker 2: hear the sasquatch sing, she called it, and she was
Speaker 2: just praying, please don't come and please don't come and
Speaker 2: visit me. But she said they were all around during
Speaker 2: her ceremony, So uh yeah, that was the that's the
Speaker 2: secondhand story. But I know these people. I knew these people,
Speaker 2: and they were the people I trust very deeply.
Speaker 1: So we had a little bit of a blip when
Speaker 1: you had shared what she called the sasquatch singing. Could
Speaker 1: you repeat that whatever she called it? Please?
Speaker 2: Oh, she just instead of saying that she heard them,
Speaker 2: you know, howling, this woman said that she heard them
Speaker 2: singing and she knew what they were, and she just prayed,
Speaker 2: please please don't come and see me, like I just
Speaker 2: you know, she was up there in the dark for
Speaker 2: four nights, right, so she didn't want to be terrified,
Speaker 2: you know. But they're up Yeah, they're out there.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean absolutely. I'm looking on a map at
Speaker 1: that area, and it's not too far from Lake Capital
Speaker 1: State Forest, which is known for a lot of activity.
Speaker 1: And also you know, you've even got shahalis around around
Speaker 1: the corner, although looks can be deceiving on maps. Let's see. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's about an hour away, so not too bad. Wow, man,
Speaker 1: thank you for for sharing that that secondhand account as well. No,
Speaker 1: doubt that Washington, the state of Washington has activity all
Speaker 1: over the place. And this is just you know, some
Speaker 1: other just some more pieces of evidence that you can
Speaker 1: add to to the long list of things happening in
Speaker 1: that state. Would you ever want to have a visual
Speaker 1: citing yourself if you were able to have that, or
Speaker 1: is what happened that night enough for you?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind it, because I'm always up for an experience,
Speaker 2: whether it's like good or bad. But I felt a
Speaker 2: little vulnerable for some I felt vulnerable for some reason,
Speaker 2: Like if I was out hiking and happened to see
Speaker 2: a sasquatch or I would I would love to see
Speaker 2: it for the experience, but I would definitely hide til
Speaker 2: it out because I do want to be very respectful,
Speaker 2: you know, and it'd probably be scary. But I'm up
Speaker 2: for the experience, but I'm not going to seek that experience,
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So what I take from that is you're not
Speaker 1: the kind of person that's like, Okay, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a weekend off, go to a hot zone and start
Speaker 1: banging on trees. No, that's not going to be you, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That just doesn't seem right to me, gotcha, Yeah, someone,
Speaker 2: I'm not judging people. I just you know, I kind
Speaker 2: of want to be left alone. So I don't want
Speaker 2: someone like stalking me, you know, so I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to do that. I just I really like the idea
Speaker 2: of them being free and being left alone. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, you know, I've found it. And I
Speaker 1: don't go out all the time, but I have found
Speaker 1: that if you just go out and you hang out
Speaker 1: and you just chill out there, that's a lot of
Speaker 1: times when when the stuff can happen when you just
Speaker 1: kind of chill out and let whatever happens happens. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: H I got one more experience I had just to
Speaker 2: add to your and I forgot about this, but could
Speaker 2: I share really quick?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So we were out we went out past that Oak
Speaker 2: Oakridge area. Forgot for a minute, but we went out
Speaker 2: past the Oak Ridge area a bit, and I was
Speaker 2: looking for this waterfall off the highway, and I thought
Speaker 2: we had found it. But we parked and I saw
Speaker 2: this little trail and I said to my wife, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go up this trail and see
Speaker 2: if I can see if I can hear anything. So
Speaker 2: I think I'm hearing something and maybe if I hear it,
Speaker 2: I can you know, I'll call you and you can
Speaker 2: come up. We can find this waterfall. Well, I was
Speaker 2: going up this trail. It was a little bit icy,
Speaker 2: and I was out there probably about a quarter mile,
Speaker 2: and I heard the whistle on one side of the
Speaker 2: trail and I thought, oh, you know, it must be
Speaker 2: a bird to sound like a human whistle. Then I
Speaker 2: heard a whistle on the other side of the trail,
Speaker 2: and I was like okay, and I kept on walking,
Speaker 2: and then I heard another, like a real kind of
Speaker 2: low whistle, and then I heard it on the other
Speaker 2: side of the trail again, and I said, okay, y'all,
Speaker 2: I'm leaving now I hear you and I don't want
Speaker 2: to be in your space. I'm leaving. And just then
Speaker 2: I hear my wife say calling my name really really loud,
Speaker 2: and said come back, come back, And so I just
Speaker 2: kept saying, okay, I'm leaving, please just let me be.
Speaker 2: I'm going to let you be. I'm leaving because I've
Speaker 2: heard about these whistles, right, and that they were like
Speaker 2: walking with me and whistling on both sides. That kind
Speaker 2: of freaked me out, and so I got back to
Speaker 2: the car and she was like something, I just knew
Speaker 2: I had to call you back. I knew something wasn't right,
Speaker 2: and I said, yeah, yeah, someone was tracking me out
Speaker 2: there and whistling both sides of the trail and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't get out of there fast enough and so
Speaker 2: we just kind of sped off, and I kind of
Speaker 2: forgot about that experience too, But yeah, that was out
Speaker 2: there in that area.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's some crapy stuff. Was that? Uh was
Speaker 1: that Salt Creek Falls?
Speaker 2: I think that might have been. I can't can't, I
Speaker 2: can't be sure, but that sounds kind of familiar.
Speaker 1: That's weird stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was trying to find it and I
Speaker 2: couldn't find it, but I went up this trail and
Speaker 2: I started having those whistles on both sides. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: it was Salt Creek. Yeah. Were there experiences up there too?
Speaker 1: I have heard a few things from that area. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so really, really, you could you could say that about
Speaker 1: any anything in the any area in the willlame At
Speaker 1: National Forest. Is what I'm finding out, And I mean
Speaker 1: the whole Pacific Northwest, but I've pretty much only gone
Speaker 1: to that area so far. Just some really interesting things
Speaker 1: you've shared tonight, and UH, I just want to thank
Speaker 1: you for for coming on to share those. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: it's cool to hear more things from the Granite Falls
Speaker 1: area of Washington, uh and in other places as well.
Speaker 1: And just want to say, uh, thank you for for
Speaker 1: coming on Aaron to to to share what you experienced
Speaker 1: over the years.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jeremiah, keep doing your great work. I enjoy
Speaker 2: every episode.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And if you know, if anything else
Speaker 1: ever happens, feel free to you know, you've got my
Speaker 1: contact info and you know, always feel free to uh
Speaker 1: to send my info uh to anyone you might know
Speaker 1: that it needs a place to talk as well. But
Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you, have a great night,
Speaker 1: you two, Okay, goodbye. Just wanted to take a minute
Speaker 1: to say thank you truly for listening to this episode
Speaker 1: of the Big for Society podcast. Aaron's story is one
Speaker 1: that lingers, not just because of the gravel crunching footsteps
Speaker 1: or the white orbs dancing above the ridge, but because
Speaker 1: of the deep feeling that was carried that they weren't alone,
Speaker 1: So huge thanks to Erin for opening up and sharing
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