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Speaker 1: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hello Cliff, good day sir. How are you doing?
Speaker 3: Good day?
Speaker 2: Good day?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I heard you got some good guests today.
Speaker 2: Fantastic guess. Actually, I have a lot of respect for
Speaker 2: for a lot of years, and we finally managed to
Speaker 2: pin him down. I was talking to him before we
Speaker 2: started recording here, and apparently he's all over the country now,
Speaker 2: so I've got We've got a lot of catching up
Speaker 2: to do. So everybody, Bigfoot and Beyond Land, all you
Speaker 2: listeners and such, please welcome Scott Violette to our our
Speaker 2: podcast here. Scott, thank you very much for coming.
Speaker 4: On, Scotty, thanks for having me. High Cliff, Hi, Bobo.
Speaker 3: Have I met you in person?
Speaker 4: Oh? Actually you have at the Oregon Bigfoot Festival a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, three years ago.
Speaker 2: I think, well, those are crazy. You can't blame I
Speaker 2: can't you know, nobody can blame you for not remembering
Speaker 2: because my wife was at them and I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: You know, those are just whirlwinds of activity and people
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, is that the
Speaker 2: only time I've met you, Scott? Is that the only
Speaker 2: time I've met you? Or is there something that goes
Speaker 2: back further?
Speaker 4: Well, no, it's just you and I were at the
Speaker 4: Oregon Bigfoot Festival. We met once, and then we were
Speaker 4: at the last Pocatello.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha again. Yeah, it's not a good time to
Speaker 2: meet me and have me remember anybody. It happens all
Speaker 2: the time in the shop. So Cliff remember me, and
Speaker 2: I go, well, you look familiar, but so does everybody
Speaker 2: else who walks in the door. We met like four
Speaker 2: years ago. Oh well that's probably why we in a bikini.
Speaker 2: But Scott's a name that a lot of people recognize.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been in the Bigfoot community for quite
Speaker 2: a while, and I think he's a way worthy guest.
Speaker 2: We're going to learn a lot about him today and
Speaker 2: what he's been up to, because he's doing some really
Speaker 2: exciting stuff. But for those who don't know you, Scott,
Speaker 2: how did you get into this ridiculous subject that we
Speaker 2: all love so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was kind of totally by accident, sort of,
Speaker 4: I could put it that way. I you know, I
Speaker 4: was always interested in Bigfoot as a kid, because I'm
Speaker 4: a pretty old guy now, and I remember seeing the
Speaker 4: Patterson Gimmlin film as a newsreel before a movie when
Speaker 4: I was about seven or eight, So I you know,
Speaker 4: I was always kind of in the back of my mind,
Speaker 4: you know, thought about, hey, this could be a real thing.
Speaker 4: But what really got me into it is after years
Speaker 4: of living and I ended up being an anthropologist, a
Speaker 4: Native American cultural anthropologist, and I worked with a couple
Speaker 4: of different universities on some archaeological digs. But what really
Speaker 4: got me into it is I worked with the Mee
Speaker 4: Walk tribe in central California.
Speaker 2: That's in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yes, it is, yeah, around Yosemite. Actually yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Think he Strain does a lot of work with them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: she does. So what I was doing, I was working
Speaker 4: with one of the tribes near a town called Mariposa
Speaker 4: where we were actually documenting their history and I was
Speaker 4: helping them to document their how long they had been
Speaker 4: in the valley basically, and I was walking around with
Speaker 4: the elders and they were showing me pictographs and petroglyphs
Speaker 4: that they have found all over the years, and you know,
Speaker 4: I'd learned to read those in college and that was
Speaker 4: kind of my area that I really delved into in
Speaker 4: my studies. And I asked the elder, what's this symbol?
Speaker 4: I don't recognize that one, and he said that's bigfoot.
Speaker 4: And I looked at him and was like, so they're
Speaker 4: real and he looked at me like I was stupid
Speaker 4: and said, yeah, you know. So that's what kind of
Speaker 4: got me into doing the research. And when I started
Speaker 4: delving into you know, I've I've taken forensic anthropology and
Speaker 4: college and stuff. So when I started looking at the
Speaker 4: footprint casts, I started noticing that there is morphology to this,
Speaker 4: you know. So I started delving into you know, of
Speaker 4: course doctor Meldrum's books and some other things, and I thought, well,
Speaker 4: there's a lot more history here than I realized.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Scott, what here was this? When you saw the
Speaker 3: Harryman pick her out for the first.
Speaker 4: Time, that one would have been about gosh, I would
Speaker 4: say ninety seven.
Speaker 3: Did Kathy did Kathy Stream learn about it from you?
Speaker 3: Or did Shirty know about it?
Speaker 4: Oh no, No, this was a different one, the one
Speaker 4: she was talking about. Yeah, this is this is up
Speaker 4: north in Assembity area.
Speaker 3: I never saw pictures of that one.
Speaker 4: Nobody has because the Miwalk tribal members keep it pretty quiet.
Speaker 4: So uh. And and I haven't got permission to you know,
Speaker 4: to say where it's at, but I can say, uh,
Speaker 4: just recently, as in like three weeks ago, I found
Speaker 4: another one that was almost identical to the one that
Speaker 4: Kathy has down there, and it's in eastern Oregon here.
Speaker 4: Well what yeah it and uh and it's kind of
Speaker 4: interesting because there's three symbols together. There's the Bigfoot, the Harryman,
Speaker 4: and then there's a symbol that's a directional symbol that
Speaker 4: tells people to avoid this area, go around basically. And
Speaker 4: then they have a stick man symbol which is also
Speaker 4: on the one down there in California, which is more
Speaker 4: of a warning sign, you know, danger basically. So yeah,
Speaker 4: the one we found up here, it's only it's only
Speaker 4: like nine inches tall, so it's unless you're looking closely
Speaker 4: on the rocks, you'll never see it. But I had
Speaker 4: I had a gentleman who had had seen that just
Speaker 4: by accident, and had sent me pictures of it and
Speaker 4: and took me out there and we were able to
Speaker 4: document it just about four weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Actually, do you have any idea how well that is?
Speaker 5: Like, is there stuff kind of loge around there that
Speaker 5: gives you an idea of the age when it was done?
Speaker 4: There's there's really not, you know, because they use it
Speaker 4: was a pictograph, so they used like iron oxide, which
Speaker 4: is the whole area is just covered in it because
Speaker 4: this is a mineral rich area. But so there's really
Speaker 4: not there's no way to you know, carbon date rock.
Speaker 4: So oh, I can't really tell you, but I can
Speaker 4: give you an id. I can get an idea from
Speaker 4: when the you know, the tribes that were in the area,
Speaker 4: So I'm guessing probably two to three hundred years old.
Speaker 2: So you took this pectograph as a was a petroglyph
Speaker 2: or a pictograph. There is a difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pictograph. It's painted on with oron oxide paint.
Speaker 4: Petrogless are pecked into the rock or carved.
Speaker 2: Right, So you're interpreting this pictograph as a warning sign
Speaker 2: like don't go in this particular area. I assume you've
Speaker 2: gone there.
Speaker 4: Yes we have. Yeah, it's actually really a deserted area
Speaker 4: here in eastern Oregon too, but it does lead into
Speaker 4: the Eagle Cap Mountains, which is part of the Blue
Speaker 4: Mountain Range.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so there you go. Interesting. Interesting. Well,
Speaker 2: anyway back on track. So you started reading about doctor
Speaker 2: Meldrum's work and the foot morphology and that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and I started to discovering there there's a
Speaker 4: lot of actual science to this. You know, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of proof right here. And I don't know why
Speaker 4: the world hasn't, you know, jumped on this myself. So
Speaker 4: what I wanted to do is to in this probably
Speaker 4: has been like almost eight years ago. I decided, well,
Speaker 4: I live here in eastern Oregon. I live in the
Speaker 4: Blue Mountains. I saw the Freeman film. You know, in fact,
Speaker 4: where I grew up in Somerville, Oregon, was only about
Speaker 4: fifteen miles south of where the Freeman film was shot.
Speaker 4: So I thought, well, hey, what if I put up
Speaker 4: a YouTube chen, or not a YouTube channel, but a
Speaker 4: Facebook page and say, hey, maybe somebody who's got stories
Speaker 4: that they could tell me. So I put up the
Speaker 4: Facebook page and a website, and then the local newspaper
Speaker 4: guy here did a little story on me, and next
Speaker 4: thing I know, we're getting hundreds of stories, you know,
Speaker 4: from all around this area. So and so I figured
Speaker 4: that's going to be my operating style from now on.
Speaker 4: I guess you can put it that way. Is So,
Speaker 4: we put the fancy logos on our truck and all
Speaker 4: that stuff, just so people would know I'm a safe
Speaker 4: guy to talk to. And we actually started going to
Speaker 4: setting up booths in like local fares and sportsmen shows
Speaker 4: and you know, not necessarily the Bigfoot conference type stuff,
Speaker 4: but just the out of the way little places. And
Speaker 4: inevitably we were getting stories all the time, and I
Speaker 4: was able to put pins and maps and dates and times,
Speaker 4: and I started creating my own like basically database of
Speaker 4: the bigfoots and the blues and or is it big feet?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Well I don't.
Speaker 3: Know that's good.
Speaker 2: Which do you prefer? I say big foots because feet
Speaker 2: is a plural of foot, but bigfoot is, you know,
Speaker 2: and I don't of course they have two feet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I go with the big feets.
Speaker 2: So gotcha each throne.
Speaker 3: Grammatically it's big foots.
Speaker 2: I air towards sasquatches, it's easiest there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, one of the most important things I
Speaker 2: think you're doing is because the Blue Mountains put on
Speaker 2: the map by the you know, by the Vanguard. You know,
Speaker 2: the Paul Freeman's in the West Summerlands and all those folks,
Speaker 2: Bill Lowry and those folks. But you are south of there,
Speaker 2: and that zone is really quiet. Even doctor Krantz took
Speaker 2: note of that, Like he said, there's a ton of
Speaker 2: stuff outside Walla Walla, and people are willing to talk
Speaker 2: about it. But you go further south Sumter and Baker City,
Speaker 2: and people are very hush hush about the bigfoot thing.
Speaker 2: Even though obviously the habitat is great and a lot
Speaker 2: of things happen. It is so great that a local
Speaker 2: person like yourself, I know that you probably grew up
Speaker 2: I'm guessing Milton Freewater or something like that. I don't
Speaker 2: know where you were south of the deduct area.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up in and near The biggest town
Speaker 4: would be La Grand.
Speaker 2: La Grand. Okay, sure, sure, Well, out in that zone,
Speaker 2: not really anybody but you is on the radar that's
Speaker 2: working it. There probably are a few bigfooters out there,
Speaker 2: but no one is taking a high profile. So it's
Speaker 2: really great that you're out there doing it and documenting
Speaker 2: the activity that's out there, because it's hard to get
Speaker 2: unless you're a local exactly.
Speaker 4: You know. Inevitably, like when we go to fairs and
Speaker 4: things and set up our little booth, we'll have the
Speaker 4: guy that walks by the booth five or six times
Speaker 4: and kind of looks at me out of the side
Speaker 4: of his eye and waits until there's nobody there to
Speaker 4: come talk to me.
Speaker 2: Various low cows throughout the country really feel that same way,
Speaker 2: like they're not going to open up to anybody unless
Speaker 2: they have a reason to, Like you're a local. I
Speaker 2: mean for Bobo and I a lot of times it's
Speaker 2: like we're on TV and they kind of feel like
Speaker 2: they know us or whatever. So we might get some
Speaker 2: of those reports, and then again some people say, oh,
Speaker 2: he's been on TV. I'm not telling him. So I'm
Speaker 2: sure we lose reports like that too. But the Southern
Speaker 2: Blues is one of those areas where people just kind
Speaker 2: of keep hushed about it. Idaho is another spot, you know,
Speaker 2: because people move to Idaho for various reasons, and one
Speaker 2: of them is to not deal with outsiders, and of
Speaker 2: course Maine as well. They live up in the corner
Speaker 2: of the country to keep all of us away as
Speaker 2: far as I can tell, So if and it's up
Speaker 2: to the local researchers in these areas to do the
Speaker 2: groundwork to find out what's going on in their areas,
Speaker 2: because they're not going to report it to the BFRO.
Speaker 2: They're not going to tell some guy on the Internet
Speaker 2: what's going on that, they're going to tell local people.
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Speaker 2: The coast range in Organ. That's another one. I had
Speaker 2: this woman. I did a gig at this casino out
Speaker 2: in the Organ Coast a few years back, and this
Speaker 2: woman says, I want to tell you about my siding,
Speaker 2: but you know, I don't want it to go anywhere
Speaker 2: and step okay, fine, And she starts telling me about
Speaker 2: the siding, and she's basically had a road crossing on
Speaker 2: the highway in the general area you're the main highway.
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, do you live right there? She goes, Oh, no,
Speaker 2: I don't live there. I live like fifteen miles up
Speaker 2: in the hills from there. You know, you have to
Speaker 2: go down this road in this store to go, Oh,
Speaker 2: you don't live anywhere near there. Why don't you want
Speaker 2: anybody to know about your sighting? She goes, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we just don't like outsiders around here. So even though
Speaker 2: it was on a main highway that everybody in the
Speaker 2: world knows, or everybody in the local area knows this highway,
Speaker 2: she doesn't want anybody to know where she saw it,
Speaker 2: and she doesn't live anywhere new there because we don't
Speaker 2: want outsiders. So what have even finding out about this.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I don't want to get too far
Speaker 2: ahead of myself because I know what you're doing now
Speaker 2: compared to what you were doing. But what were your
Speaker 2: takeaways by studying the patterns that were developing in the
Speaker 2: southern Blues. Did they resemble the stuff outside of Walla,
Speaker 2: Walla that everybody else knows about, did they resemble other
Speaker 2: parts of the country or were they totally different? What
Speaker 2: were your takeaways?
Speaker 4: Oh, they're very similar to the ones set up in Walla, Walla.
Speaker 4: But what was really interesting to me was all the
Speaker 4: reports we get and I was looking at, you know, dates,
Speaker 4: and you know, some of these were like years and
Speaker 4: years apart, but the months were the same in the
Speaker 4: same place. And so I come to the conclusion that
Speaker 4: it's almost I could almost see like a migratory pattern basically.
Speaker 4: And then I started noticing that there was there was
Speaker 4: kind of two factors to it. There was the food availability,
Speaker 4: like they were in this area when the huckleberries, or
Speaker 4: they were in this area when there was mushrooms, you know,
Speaker 4: or that was one thing. And another thing. We got
Speaker 4: more reports during the mushroom season and during huckleberry seasons,
Speaker 4: and during the hunting season. So I don't know if
Speaker 4: the bigfoot were there the whole time in just more
Speaker 4: people there to see them, or if they were migrating
Speaker 4: from one spot to the other through this area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a hard one to discern because
Speaker 2: certainly more people are out in those areas during that time.
Speaker 2: That might be a human factor.
Speaker 4: Right, So that was kind of interesting. But I started
Speaker 4: looking at some of the reports and we were getting like,
Speaker 4: you know, rocks thrown at people. In fact, we got
Speaker 4: one report where a stump was thrown at somebody in
Speaker 4: a huckleberry patch during huckleberry seasons, like get out of
Speaker 4: my huckleberries kind of deal. So I was thinking, if
Speaker 4: we took the more aggressive I guess you would say
Speaker 4: encounters compared to the ones where people just saw them
Speaker 4: basically or smelt them or heard them or got the
Speaker 4: tree knox or whatnot. So if youve got the more
Speaker 4: aggressive ones, it's when they're in this area for food, basically.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a conclusion I came to. It's, of
Speaker 4: course not scientific, it's just kind of a scientific guess,
Speaker 4: I have to say. So taking that into consideration, we
Speaker 4: would hit those areas doing our research. You know, and
Speaker 4: just going out and spending time in the woods. And
Speaker 4: that was another thing that I decided we needed to do,
Speaker 4: is you can't go out on a weekend, you know,
Speaker 4: we would spend two weeks or three weeks or four
Speaker 4: weeks in an area and just camp out there and
Speaker 4: stay there. And bying able to do that is after
Speaker 4: twenty years of doing this research, I actually had my
Speaker 4: first encounter, you know when first encounter or sighting both. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's my sighting. I can well, I can go into
Speaker 4: that I had. I had a gentleman with me, which
Speaker 4: is kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: So my wife, her friend, her husband always wanted to
Speaker 4: go bigfooting. He'd never done it before, and it was
Speaker 4: his birthday, so she thought it would be great for
Speaker 4: a birthday prison to have him go out in the
Speaker 4: woods with me. So we had been researching this area
Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks, so I said, okay, come
Speaker 4: with me for the first time out. So he comes
Speaker 4: out and we're hiking down this trail and this is
Speaker 4: kind of interesting too. We're in the area where there
Speaker 4: it's the watershed area for Baker City up in the Blues.
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny how it's a watershed area. Very interesting,
Speaker 4: but as opposed to the Freeman film is what I'm
Speaker 4: re alluding to. But so we're out hiking trail and
Speaker 4: we smelt the smell and I had never smelt it before.
Speaker 4: I had had lots of reports about how it smelled,
Speaker 4: but I had never experienced. And now I can say, oh,
Speaker 4: I get it. You know how bad it smells. So
Speaker 4: I said, hey, let's we stopped, of course, and looked around.
Speaker 4: But of course we're in the forest and it's kind
Speaker 4: of dusaling rain and I can't see anything. And I
Speaker 4: told the guy with me, hey, let's just keep walking.
Speaker 4: Maybe this thing will follow us or something, you know,
Speaker 4: and we'll get footprints. So we kept walking. The smell
Speaker 4: went away, and I said, well that didn't work. So
Speaker 4: we turned around and went back to where the smell
Speaker 4: was very pungent, and we were scanning the trees, and
Speaker 4: I finally just said the heck with it, and I
Speaker 4: just went in the woods just to see if something happened,
Speaker 4: and it mimicked me. I got the almost the exact
Speaker 4: same sound I made back at me, and that's when
Speaker 4: we were able to see it. It was two hundred feet
Speaker 4: away down the hill and I saw this head bob
Speaker 4: inside to side between this little tiny opening in the trees,
Speaker 4: and I had about three seconds to take a picture,
Speaker 4: and I got my quintessential blurry bigfoot picture.
Speaker 3: Congratulations.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. So but then we heard this whistle off
Speaker 4: in the woods, and this really loud whistle too, and
Speaker 4: the one I had I was seeing through the opening,
Speaker 4: turned and walked away really fast, and of course it
Speaker 4: was down behind a bunch of trees, and it just
Speaker 4: disappeared on me and I couldn't and the smell went away.
Speaker 4: So this guy looked at me and goes, am I
Speaker 4: really lucky to see a big foot on my first trip.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, very So we actually spent three days
Speaker 4: there after that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Of course the gentleman went home, but we went back
Speaker 4: every day and we went down to the area and
Speaker 4: where this creature was standing, we found three nine inch
Speaker 4: footprints with three fifteen inch footprints next to it. After
Speaker 4: shooting lasers through the trees and measuring where I was standing,
Speaker 4: I put my camera on a tripod and we put
Speaker 4: a laser pointer on top of it so I could
Speaker 4: see where my camera was shooting down through that opening.
Speaker 4: And then we went down in the opening with you know,
Speaker 4: with poles to decide how so this creature was five
Speaker 4: foot or six foot tall where it was standing and
Speaker 4: down off this hill. So I'm figuring this was probably
Speaker 4: the nine inch footprints and the fifteen inch footprints was
Speaker 4: the one that whistled that I never saw.
Speaker 2: Very interesting. I'm glad you now. I'm assuming you cast
Speaker 2: those footprints or were they just in Dunphin You couldn't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: We cast one of the nine inch ones. I got
Speaker 4: some really good photos of the fifteen inch ones, but
Speaker 4: they were on this side of this bank that was
Speaker 4: nearly vertical, and it was almost impossible to cast. I
Speaker 4: had to make I had to make the plaster really thick,
Speaker 4: and I kept swiping it up to keep it in
Speaker 4: the in the cast until it's set up. But we did,
Speaker 4: we did have those casts.
Speaker 2: Oh good, good do it. It takes do whatever it
Speaker 2: takes to get it, you know. So and what what
Speaker 2: when was this? When when did you say it? When
Speaker 2: did you see this thing?
Speaker 4: This is four years ago in April, four years.
Speaker 2: Ago in April. Okay, okay, what's a snow situation like
Speaker 2: in April?
Speaker 4: Just gone just barely gone, barely gone. Okay, Yeah, So
Speaker 4: where we were is that the snow is had just
Speaker 4: cleared out of that area basically, and what happens there
Speaker 4: if you follow the snow lines, we have a lot
Speaker 4: of morell mushrooms and people pick those, uh in this area.
Speaker 4: It's kind of an almost an industry here in eastern Oregon,
Speaker 4: the Morrell mushroom picking season. But the mushrooms follow the
Speaker 4: edge of the snow line. As the snow line goes
Speaker 4: up the mountain, the morrells pop out first at the
Speaker 4: edge where the snow is going away. So we were
Speaker 4: right in that area where the murrales were thick. So interesting.
Speaker 2: Interesting, and I think deer also followed the snow line
Speaker 2: up because that's where the new growth is happening. A
Speaker 2: lot of that new growth is the most nutritious growth
Speaker 2: they get. So that's another correlation. And were you inside
Speaker 2: the watershed where you should not have been or were
Speaker 2: you're right outside?
Speaker 4: We were right on the edge, right.
Speaker 2: On the edge where you are allowed to go, Okay.
Speaker 4: Where we are allowed to go. I know I didn't
Speaker 4: go into the watershed. It's kind of there's a there's
Speaker 4: a road that goes into the area the left side
Speaker 4: of the road. You can't go into the right side
Speaker 4: of the road. You can, but you can walk down
Speaker 4: the middle of the road. And that's where we were at.
Speaker 2: The reason I asked, I wasn't trying to get you
Speaker 2: in trouble or anything like that. But around here where
Speaker 2: I live, there are two watersheds available for working. One
Speaker 2: of them is the Bull Run Watershed, and you're not
Speaker 2: allowed in there at all. It's a huge fine. It's
Speaker 2: you know, as a matter of national insecurity basically, you know,
Speaker 2: so you are not allowed in there at all. It's
Speaker 2: a huge fine for fish even a tributary to it,
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. But on the other side of
Speaker 2: the mountain, on the other side of mountain Hood, there
Speaker 2: is the Dows Watershed, where there's no fences or gates
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you're kind of allowed to drive through there.
Speaker 2: You're just not allowed to stop and get out and
Speaker 2: park and do all that sort of stuff. So for
Speaker 2: big footing from your car with a dash cam or
Speaker 2: a thermal out the window or something, it's absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2: And that's why I asked, I want to know what
Speaker 2: kind of watershed we're dealing with, Like a Mill Creek
Speaker 2: situation where you're not allowed to set foot in it,
Speaker 2: or like the Dows where you kind of are allowed
Speaker 2: to go through it for some reason, you're just not
Speaker 2: allowed to get out and do anything.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, this one here is closed off to the public.
Speaker 4: You're not allowed to go into it, but they do
Speaker 4: issue X amount of deer tags that you can hunt
Speaker 4: the area, but they have strict rules about being in there.
Speaker 4: You can't even go to the bathroom on the ground.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same thing with the Mill Creek watershed.
Speaker 2: I've talked to people in the shop here quite frequently
Speaker 2: who have maybe pulled an elk tag for the Mill
Speaker 2: Creek water I'm thinking, Oh, man, I wish I hunted.
Speaker 2: I'd love to go in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so yeah, so the next two years I
Speaker 4: never drew a tag. I put in tags. I don't
Speaker 4: hunt either, but I was hoping to get the tag
Speaker 4: so I could go in there.
Speaker 2: Genius, I should do the same thing. That's great. I
Speaker 2: guess some hunters wouldn't be very happy with you, though,
Speaker 2: if you got the tag and you didn't try to
Speaker 2: go get an elk or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, cool.
Speaker 2: Well, what other sort of victories have you had in
Speaker 2: the Blues before we move on to what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Now, we've we've found footprints. We found some footprints up
Speaker 4: in the Tollgate area, which isn't far from where the
Speaker 4: Freeman film was taken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great footprint came out of there too. Actually a
Speaker 2: woman cast it. Some fly fishermen found it. It was on
Speaker 2: the It was on the wall actually in the Tollgate
Speaker 2: store for a long time. But the guy who owned
Speaker 2: the Tollgate store, Jeff, he sold the store and he
Speaker 2: took that cast with him and one that I gave
Speaker 2: him as a gift, and say, well, if you ever
Speaker 2: want to get rid of that cast, let me know,
Speaker 2: I'd love to have the original. There's a hole right
Speaker 2: through the middle of it. That's how they stuck into
Speaker 2: the wall. They stuck. They put like a dry wall
Speaker 2: screw through the middle of the cast. And there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of other casts on the wall too, Bill Lowry
Speaker 2: cast and bunch of Paul Freeman stuff on the wall.
Speaker 4: Even Still, Yeah, well I can attest to that because
Speaker 4: the guy who bought the Tollgate store, his name's Wren.
Speaker 4: When he first bought the story, he went in there
Speaker 4: and those were still on the wall in there, and
Speaker 4: since I was the bigfoot guy in the area, he
Speaker 4: calls me up and says, hey, can you come authenticate
Speaker 4: any of these casts for me? And I went in there,
Speaker 4: and you're right, they're all on the wall with holes
Speaker 4: drilled through them, you know where they were screwed into
Speaker 4: the wall. So I saw one of the Freeman casts
Speaker 4: and I asked him, hey, can we take this off
Speaker 4: the wall. I just wanted to take a look at it.
Speaker 4: And he pulled it off and on the back of
Speaker 4: it is signed by Grover Krantz.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Interesting, that's cool. Yeah, none of
Speaker 2: those are originals, though, those are all copies. The only
Speaker 2: original that I'm aware it was a toll Gate cast,
Speaker 2: which they also screwed the hole in the middle of.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but I have a copy of the
Speaker 2: toll Gate cast before it was drilled, which is kind
Speaker 2: of nice, I guess.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so we found some footprints there. We found
Speaker 4: some other footprints up here in the Eagle Caps or
Speaker 4: the Elkhorns that's right above Baker between Baker and Sumter area.
Speaker 4: A lot of reports in this area. But let's see,
Speaker 4: and but recently just Actually a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 4: we had a gentleman down south in just out of Unity, Organ,
Speaker 4: which is a one horse town in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4: Nothing but cows, you know, out there, but in the
Speaker 4: southern port. He sent me a video that he had
Speaker 4: found when he was mushroom hunting, and it was in
Speaker 4: his hunting area. And what's really interesting, in last October
Speaker 4: he had he this is where he hunts, I mean
Speaker 4: where he puts up his blind and sits in this area.
Speaker 4: He was sitting there last year in the hunting season,
Speaker 4: and then he left and he came back from mushroom
Speaker 4: season to the exact same spot and there was a
Speaker 4: huge igloo style nest built in his spot, which he
Speaker 4: kept pretty quiet, you know, he did the one other
Speaker 4: people in his hunting area. And so he took a
Speaker 4: video of it and sent it to me when it
Speaker 4: was still green, and I thought, well, this is really cool.
Speaker 4: It looks like you know the Quintidential bigfoot nests, you know.
Speaker 4: So I thought, well, let's go check it out. So
Speaker 4: got a hold of him. We went up there. He
Speaker 4: took me down to the area. I mean, you got
Speaker 4: to park on the road and you got to walk
Speaker 4: down a really steep hill for about a mile and
Speaker 4: a half to get down to where this place is,
Speaker 4: and the nest is still there. So I started looking
Speaker 4: at it, and every single limb that this thing is
Speaker 4: made out of was broken. There wasn't one saw mark anywhere.
Speaker 4: And they were ranging from six to you know, from
Speaker 4: two to six inches around some of these limbs. And
Speaker 4: this thing was woven together. I mean it was solid
Speaker 4: and it looked like an igloo to me. But the
Speaker 4: opening wasn't at the bottom, it was about halfway up. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I measured everything, took a lot of pictures. We even
Speaker 4: looked for biologicals of course on the inside, looked for
Speaker 4: Harris with a fine toothed comb. I even have a
Speaker 4: UV light that we used to see if anything glows.
Speaker 4: Didn't find anything. But while we were doing the doing
Speaker 4: our walkarounds and looking and filming everything, something dawned on
Speaker 4: me that this thing had a fence around it. There
Speaker 4: was these these big trees, some of them were you know,
Speaker 4: four or five feet around, had been pushed over with
Speaker 4: the roots up. Some of them were snapped off. The
Speaker 4: smaller ones, like eight ten inch trees were snapped off,
Speaker 4: and there was like a fence built probably twenty feet
Speaker 4: away from the nest, completely around the nest. Just these
Speaker 4: trees laid down on the ground in a big circle
Speaker 4: around the nest. It looked like a fence.
Speaker 2: Could you date the damage in any sort of way?
Speaker 4: I couldn't. I meant, of course, the nest itself we
Speaker 4: knew in early spring. In April it was still green.
Speaker 4: I mean all the boughsand stuff were still green. They're
Speaker 4: not now, but so but as far as the trees go,
Speaker 4: I can't really tell the date, you know, when they
Speaker 4: were broken or stuff. But what was really interesting is
Speaker 4: around this area then we were probably about one hundred
Speaker 4: feet to a river that runs year round, so there
Speaker 4: was water available really close. And we did find a footprint,
Speaker 4: an old, old footprint. I did cast it, but there's
Speaker 4: there's some features, but you know, not much.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: After spending we spent a couple of days there and
Speaker 4: then we came back home and we went back the
Speaker 4: next weekend and spend a couple more days because it
Speaker 4: was just confusing to me the way this thing was
Speaker 4: set up and how strong it was. I mean you
Speaker 4: could walk on it, on the top of it and
Speaker 4: it wouldn't fall in basically, you know it was it
Speaker 4: was built sturdy. And when you've when you've got four
Speaker 4: to five inch logs, you know, woven together. In fact,
Speaker 4: one of them we found a six inch that was
Speaker 4: pulled up with the root ball still on it that
Speaker 4: was woven into this.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: I think you indicated this earlier, but just for just
Speaker 2: to clarify for me, how in what time period was
Speaker 2: this thing constructed? Because the hunter went there, went away
Speaker 2: for a while and came back and it was there.
Speaker 2: What's that time period look like? How long was that?
Speaker 4: It wasn't there in October and then we had over
Speaker 4: the winter, but it was there and it was still
Speaker 4: green in April.
Speaker 2: In April, wow, so four months. And that is that
Speaker 2: area readily accessible during that time of year like in
Speaker 2: February or is it snowed in?
Speaker 4: No, it snowed in.
Speaker 2: Weird, totally weird, and no one, no signs of fires
Speaker 2: or anything like you dis kind of the human thing
Speaker 2: pretty readily.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there was no there's no you know, signs
Speaker 4: of camping or anything. Anywhere near there, and it was.
Speaker 4: And you know how how they have really steep The
Speaker 4: Blue Mountains are really steep, so you know you have
Speaker 4: these cut banks and the roads above it. You know,
Speaker 4: but like I said, it's a mile and a half
Speaker 4: straight down to get to do this down by the river,
Speaker 4: so you have to really want to go there.
Speaker 2: Basically interesting, that's weird. It's totally weird. So do you
Speaker 2: have your eye on that right now? Do you have
Speaker 2: game cameras on it or is there anything to do
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do have game cameras still there. Other than that,
Speaker 4: we've we've done. I've literally measured everything, which is kind
Speaker 4: of an advantage to me being an archaeologist, so I
Speaker 4: know how to document stuff. So I basically did the
Speaker 4: old archaeological documentation on it, which is document everything basically.
Speaker 4: So we've done We've done a couple of shows on
Speaker 4: on our we have a YouTube live that we do.
Speaker 4: And what was really interesting is between the two weeks
Speaker 4: we went there and I had talked about it on
Speaker 4: our show that week, and then I went had went
Speaker 4: back the next weekend and something dawned on me. You know,
Speaker 4: this thing is about five feet on the inside it's
Speaker 4: five feet tall and about five feet around on the inside.
Speaker 4: It's fourteen feet on the outside. Because there's a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff piled up on this thing, I got to think,
Speaker 4: and you know, this isn't big enough for like a
Speaker 4: full size bigfoot to lay down in. I mean, the bottoms,
Speaker 4: the bottom was filled with pine boughs and stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: like a human would use to make a bed. But
Speaker 4: and the opening was smaller, you know, it's probably three
Speaker 4: three and a half feet around. I thought, this isn't
Speaker 4: big enough for a bigfoot to be in, but it's
Speaker 4: big enough to put a bigfoot baby in. And I
Speaker 4: was wondering if this is a bassinet basically or crib some.
Speaker 5: Of those in Alaska, the Native so that they build those.
Speaker 5: And the one I saw didn't look like auld hold
Speaker 5: a baby bigfoot, but that's what they said it was for.
Speaker 4: Well, this one, I'm pretty sure it could because we
Speaker 4: I even got a picture of my wife. We took
Speaker 4: a stick and had her stand over it and reached
Speaker 4: down in there like you was going to put a
Speaker 4: baby in it. And she was a little short for
Speaker 4: the task, but she could have done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might make sense considering the time of year,
Speaker 2: because you know, if it's all snowed in and whatnot,
Speaker 2: that structure like that would keep the inside area more
Speaker 2: or less free of snow, especially if you covered the
Speaker 2: out covered the doorway in some sort of way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it would have to be I don't know what
Speaker 2: the snow cover is in this particular area, the altitude
Speaker 2: or anything, but something that heavy that you could you said,
Speaker 2: you could practically walk on it. It was so strong
Speaker 2: that would probably hold a huge snow load, I imagine,
Speaker 2: But I mean, who knows. That's very interesting that you're
Speaker 2: coming with these hypotheses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, and I think you know, you
Speaker 4: need someplace to put a kid if you're going to
Speaker 4: go out hunt or whatever. You know, just need a
Speaker 4: break for a minute. So you know, I'm thinking, if
Speaker 4: they're not that much different than humans, so why not
Speaker 4: a platepin or bassing to put them in.
Speaker 2: So you're continuing to do work on that. So cameras
Speaker 2: are out there, now, are you going to check the
Speaker 2: cameras before the snows come and set up some more
Speaker 2: for the snowtime? Since that's when it was made.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was made early spring. It had
Speaker 4: to be because like I said the stuff was still
Speaker 4: green in April, so we might hit that pretty hard
Speaker 4: early spring.
Speaker 3: Do you leave it on daytime only?
Speaker 5: Like, do you guys keep the IR flash off on
Speaker 5: those things your cameras?
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 4: I've I've seen so much stuff about them being able
Speaker 4: to see the IR, you know, and we know that
Speaker 4: there's there's animals like caribou and other things that can
Speaker 4: see that IR. Yeah, we do. We We even we
Speaker 4: put tape over our IR on our cameras. And I
Speaker 4: also put the camera in basically a faradaid cage so
Speaker 4: it doesn't give off any EMF just in case, I
Speaker 4: don't know why, in case they're aliens. I don't know.
Speaker 4: So you know, basically, well, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of animal animals are sensitive to electromagnetic frequencies at times,
Speaker 2: you know, they may they may complete demouflage hunter outfits
Speaker 2: now that mask the very faint EMFs that humans give off,
Speaker 2: or any animal gives off in our little electrical impulses
Speaker 2: and our nervous system and that sort of thing. They
Speaker 2: don't have to be aliens for that. I just want
Speaker 2: to clarify that. So it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we wrap ours and a wire mesh just
Speaker 4: to keep the MF down basically, so.
Speaker 2: You know the sort of new paragraph here. You spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time in that area. I know you're
Speaker 2: kind of rooming around now, which of course we will
Speaker 2: get to in a minute. But the Snake River isn't
Speaker 2: that far from you. And really the Snake River kind
Speaker 2: of winds through some unlikely sasquatch habitat, just like some
Speaker 2: rivers in the Southwest too. But yet the people who
Speaker 2: live there report Sasquatches from the river basins themselves. Have
Speaker 2: you got a lot of stuff or have you done
Speaker 2: any investigations on the Snake River and what would normally
Speaker 2: be or at least seem to be unlikely sasquatch habitat
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for that riverbed.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, definitely. We've got actually quite a few reports.
Speaker 4: Now north of us, there's a town called Halfway, Halfway, Oregon.
Speaker 4: It does exist, yeah, but just north of Halfway is
Speaker 4: the Snake River runs through that area, and it's in
Speaker 4: the northern part of the Blue Mountains, but it's it's
Speaker 4: still very high deserty in that area. It's where there's
Speaker 4: a there's Hell's Canyon. I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 4: of Hell's Canyon.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, I've gotten a couple of reports out
Speaker 2: of Hell's Canyon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's the area that's it. It's actually Hell's Canyon.
Speaker 4: So in that area we have had reports of people
Speaker 4: being you know, see these creatures puring at them over
Speaker 4: rocks and stuff up in the up in the tops
Speaker 4: of the hills. Well they're down in the river fishing,
Speaker 4: you know, and they'll they'll see these creatures washing them
Speaker 4: from the top of the hill, you know, behind a rock,
Speaker 4: because there's not many trees up there, but there's lots
Speaker 4: of rocks. It's very desert tea and the Hell Canyon
Speaker 4: is deep it you know, it's cut. Its the Snake
Speaker 4: Rivers cut you know, through there. But there's also a
Speaker 4: lot of Native American legend from that area. In fact,
Speaker 4: that these seven devils from the Nesbersh tribe are seven
Speaker 4: Bigfoot basically in their stories, and that's exactly in the
Speaker 4: same area. So there's a lot of history there.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about that story? I don't think
Speaker 2: i've heard that one.
Speaker 4: Uh, basically, yeah, it's it's from the Nesbur's strife, which
Speaker 4: is from the Willawa Mountains. Which is just over the
Speaker 4: hill from Hills Canyon. The Netsburghs have a legend and
Speaker 4: it goes way back into the their creation stories, and
Speaker 4: this one here is where the tribe was taunted by
Speaker 4: these seven hairy men. Basically is the only way I
Speaker 4: could describe it from what you know from their language. Basically,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with Native American coyotes stories,
Speaker 4: but the coyote to most tribal members is basically a
Speaker 4: trickster but also a protector of the tribe. And in
Speaker 4: this instance, the coyote tricked the seven bigfoot over into
Speaker 4: this area and he circled them and turned them into stone.
Speaker 4: So there's seven mountaintops in this little area, and they
Speaker 4: called the seven devils, and so there are The story
Speaker 4: goes that these seven mountaintops were bigfoot at one time
Speaker 4: that the coyote changed into stone.
Speaker 5: You know what's funny is you're on the Hoopa Reservation
Speaker 5: on the Trinity River a few hundred miles from they're
Speaker 5: probably four hundred miles. But they have a legend of
Speaker 5: seven big foots coming in and stealing seven Indian women
Speaker 5: and the young young women out of the tish Tang
Speaker 5: village and that's why they abandoned it and they never
Speaker 5: lived there again.
Speaker 3: That was three four hundred years ago.
Speaker 2: So seven seven seems to be something. There's something going
Speaker 2: on with that then perhaps.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like figure that out, you guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's on you. Scott, You're back to us. Okay,
Speaker 2: stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages. Now, Scott, you're
Speaker 2: you're no longer based in the Blue Mountain region. You
Speaker 2: have now taken on a new chapter in your life
Speaker 2: and your bigfooting research as well. I want you to
Speaker 2: tell us about what's going on there.
Speaker 4: Well, a couple of years ago, my wife and I
Speaker 4: were both teaching at high school, and of course we
Speaker 4: know what happened a couple of years ago, and our
Speaker 4: jobs kind of went away. So we were both teaching
Speaker 4: in the performing arts, so that kind of went away
Speaker 4: because you can't really do that online. So we decided
Speaker 4: to sell our house and have some huge yard sales,
Speaker 4: and we bought an RV and decided just to hit
Speaker 4: the road and look for Bigfoot. So we ended up
Speaker 4: surprisingly in Maine for a couple of reasons. My father
Speaker 4: was from Maine, so I had never really visited any family.
Speaker 4: I grew up in Oregon, so we had I think
Speaker 4: we went to Maine once when I was a kid.
Speaker 4: So we decided to go back and check out Maine.
Speaker 4: Because my dad's a Kadian French hence the last named Violet,
Speaker 4: you know, for using the South they're called Cajun's. But
Speaker 4: so we decided to go check out that area. So
Speaker 4: we found a campground in North Maine Woods that was
Speaker 4: looking for, you know, just people to you know, work
Speaker 4: for the summer and then you could camp there for free.
Speaker 4: And then we thought, what a great opportunity just to
Speaker 4: hang out in a North Maine Woods. I can probably
Speaker 4: meet up with some family I've never met before, and
Speaker 4: we can look for Bigfoot. So we have started doing
Speaker 4: a kind of a town hall meeting. I know you're
Speaker 4: familiar with that. So we set up one at a
Speaker 4: local bar in a little town called mill Knock at Maine,
Speaker 4: and I was surprised. I meant, the local newspaper did
Speaker 4: a little story beforehand to kind of advertise it for us,
Speaker 4: and I thought, well, maybe we'll get five or six people.
Speaker 4: You know, we had about forty people show up.
Speaker 2: Wow for Maine. That's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so we got to you know, they were
Speaker 4: bringing their pictures on their phones, and so I got
Speaker 4: footprint pictures and blob squatch pictures and you know, and
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of stuff, stories about rocks being thrown
Speaker 4: and things like that. And so we documented all that
Speaker 4: and we started going checking out these areas. Now, the
Speaker 4: North Main woods shocked me because you know, I grew
Speaker 4: up in eastern Oregon. Here we got forests, but they
Speaker 4: have forest. I meant, that forest is so thick you
Speaker 4: can't see twenty feet into it. And I don't see
Speaker 4: how anybody can keep from getting lost if you go
Speaker 4: ten feet in the woods there. It's just so thick.
Speaker 4: The trees are dense basically, so I think finding Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: The reason we don't have a lot of stories out
Speaker 4: of that area is because basically impossible to see them.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even know how these moose s
Speaker 4: walk through it with their horns to get through these forests.
Speaker 4: But and water everywhere I'm at. Everywhere there's rivers, ponds, lakes,
Speaker 4: just everywhere in Northern Main it's beautiful. So we did
Speaker 4: discover something because of all the water. We get a lot.
Speaker 4: We had a lot of pictures of footprints and near
Speaker 4: you know, river edges and stuff like that, reports that
Speaker 4: people seeing these down by the river or down by
Speaker 4: a pond or lake. So we spend a lot of
Speaker 4: time camping out by lake's edge. Didn't find anything as usual,
Speaker 4: you know, it's very rare, but the area is right
Speaker 4: for bigfoot pick and I guess for hunting basically because
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of people in the North main Woods.
Speaker 4: Another thing that is really surprising to me is that
Speaker 4: there's actually not much of the North main Woods which
Speaker 4: is public. Most of it's private land. I mean ninety
Speaker 4: percent of Maine. They don't have like here we have,
Speaker 4: you know, the Willaw Whitman National Forest. You know, they
Speaker 4: don't have national forests in Maine. It's all private land.
Speaker 4: And there's hundreds and hundreds of I mean I think
Speaker 4: it was it was it eight hundred and ninety miles
Speaker 4: of four wheeler roads through these woods. People can literally
Speaker 4: go from northern Maine to central Maine on four wheelers
Speaker 4: through the woods on these roads that are set up
Speaker 4: for snowbills or four wheelers during the summer, so We
Speaker 4: actually got a really good bigfoot video sent to us
Speaker 4: last year from the North main Woods from a guy
Speaker 4: driving on a four wheeler. We went back and tried
Speaker 4: to find the exact spot where he took the video,
Speaker 4: and I couldn't find it. But we're going to go
Speaker 4: back and probably next year and see if we can
Speaker 4: delve into that again.
Speaker 2: Did you have the witness with you to help you
Speaker 2: to help guide you to the location where you filmed it?
Speaker 4: We did not.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a huge blow. Yeah, so you have plans
Speaker 2: to go back there and maybe learn a little bit
Speaker 2: more about the footage.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah that Yeah, we're gonna see if we can
Speaker 4: find that spot. I meant, I've got friends that own
Speaker 4: four wheelers and we just keep driving in circles up
Speaker 4: there until we find it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, I've got a general general area of where
Speaker 4: it's supposed to be. So we just we've got the video.
Speaker 4: And what we were doing is I had the video
Speaker 4: running while we're driving down the road. I'm saying, no,
Speaker 4: that's not it. Nope, that's not it. You know, basically,
Speaker 4: is it a.
Speaker 2: Public video like on YouTube or something at this point?
Speaker 4: Or yeah, it actually is. If you go to a
Speaker 4: Squatch America on YouTube shameless plug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely want to plug your channel, but so
Speaker 2: Squatch America on YouTube. Yes, and then you can see
Speaker 2: this video.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's called a new Bigfoot Video in Maine.
Speaker 2: Oh where'd you come up with that title?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we can see this sing a new Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Video in Maine on the Squatch America channel.
Speaker 3: This is a costume of that.
Speaker 2: It's definitely not a blob squatch. That's the good news.
Speaker 4: Most of these guys drive about twenty five miles an
Speaker 4: hour because that's a speed limit on these four wheeler roads.
Speaker 4: If you take it frame by frame and look at it,
Speaker 4: this thing is actually moving frame by frame ahead of
Speaker 4: the camera. So it had to be moving at least
Speaker 4: twenty five or twenty six or twenty seven miles an
Speaker 4: hour when they caught it in those frames. That was
Speaker 4: the only thing that really confused me. That made me think, well,
Speaker 4: maybe not. I'm hoping to find that area so we
Speaker 4: can measure that tree at walk under it. That's what
Speaker 4: I want to do.
Speaker 3: It. It looks like a costume to be like, pretty
Speaker 3: blatantly almost.
Speaker 2: The problem with sasquatch is that they do look like
Speaker 2: dudes in costumes, you know, but I don't recognize the costume,
Speaker 2: which is good news because there's a lot of really
Speaker 2: commonly available ones. Yeah, i'd say without further work, this
Speaker 2: is ambiguous, you know, but it's something there and it
Speaker 2: seems to be moving.
Speaker 5: What about the witness, the guy driving, did you get
Speaker 5: to talk to him much?
Speaker 4: We have tried several times to get a hold of
Speaker 4: him and he's never got back to me. So that's
Speaker 4: another kind of like maybe not you know, kind of deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also Maine. You know, people in Maine,
Speaker 2: I mean are kind of weird about that stuff. Where
Speaker 2: were we with that other video with that the kid
Speaker 2: who got it, he was thirteen or fourteen or something.
Speaker 2: Was that Tyler or something like that? Or oh Turner, Turner, Turner, Maine.
Speaker 2: Have you ever looked at that one up there?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I haven't. I'll have to write that down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, real interesting stuff. And it's kind of gone back
Speaker 2: and forth and some investigators say it's a hoax and
Speaker 2: some say it's not because because the kid eventually said
Speaker 2: that he hoaxed it, but he was getting bullied at
Speaker 2: school and he was just tired of getting bullied about it,
Speaker 2: so he said, fine, I hoaxed, leave me alone, but
Speaker 2: I don't think he did. We interviewed the kid quite
Speaker 2: extensively on site. We interviewed his parents as well. There's
Speaker 2: actually two videos from the from the area, same property
Speaker 2: there were I guess the deal was that they were
Speaker 2: having vocalizations almost daily for a while and they would
Speaker 2: see this big quote unquote guy walking on the edge
Speaker 2: of their property and they filmed them one day they
Speaker 2: thought they had a trespasser, and then there was a
Speaker 2: vocalization one day and the kid goes, I'm going to
Speaker 2: record these vocalizations, and he had his video cameras, so
Speaker 2: he went and put it down on this road that
Speaker 2: right behind the property and just to record the vocalizations,
Speaker 2: and he happened to catch a glimpse of the thing
Speaker 2: walking in front of the camera.
Speaker 3: There was an iPhone.
Speaker 2: Okay, I could be incorrect about that, because I know
Speaker 2: he set it down, and I can't imagine setting down
Speaker 2: an iPhone like that and just leaving it. But maybe
Speaker 2: maybe he did, I don't know. But nonetheless, he did
Speaker 2: get a He did got a second or two of
Speaker 2: the thing walking in front of the camera. And the
Speaker 2: vocalizations as well. We ended up doing a night investigation
Speaker 2: there when we filmed our main episode, and we got
Speaker 2: bigfoots that night. We got them and it was there
Speaker 2: running and they followed us back to the property when
Speaker 2: we're doing interviews later that night and stuff. The whole
Speaker 2: nine it was. It was really good and money Maker
Speaker 2: got great vocalizations the night before that at the same
Speaker 2: property as well. I'm inclined to think it's real, So
Speaker 2: if you haven't checked out the Turner main video, check
Speaker 2: it out. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm convinced it's real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's real too. So some people don't,
Speaker 2: that's fine whatever. We'll never know for sure, but seems
Speaker 2: that a lot of people who don't think it's real
Speaker 2: haven't really talked to the witnesses and the parents. On
Speaker 2: top of it, both the parents and we were there
Speaker 2: having bigfoot activity, So I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 2: real based on the context and the interviews that we did,
Speaker 2: so that might be a good area. Next time you're
Speaker 2: up in Maine, go check.
Speaker 4: Out absolutely got out on my list.
Speaker 2: Do you have a place on your website or anything
Speaker 2: Squatchamerica dot com where you can look at some of
Speaker 2: the evidence and whatnot. Then some of the researchers read
Speaker 2: some of the siding reports or do you just keep
Speaker 2: that all internal for now?
Speaker 4: Right now, we're keeping it kind of internal, but we
Speaker 4: do have we do talk about it on our show
Speaker 4: on YouTube. But were actually we just revamped our website,
Speaker 4: so we're working on a database so we can put
Speaker 4: this up there. But it's coming soon. We'll put it
Speaker 4: that way, okay.
Speaker 2: Cool. Well, yeah, everything takes time. Everything takes time, okay, Scott, Well,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for coming on Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 2: Where can people hear you? I know you've got a
Speaker 2: couple speaking events coming up, and you're also you know,
Speaker 2: roaming around the country doing stuff. So where can people
Speaker 2: run into you and learn a little bit more about
Speaker 2: what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Well, of course, we're going to be at the Bigfoot
Speaker 4: Rendezvous and Pocatello, Idaho. You're going to be there too,
Speaker 4: Cliff and doctor Jeff, we're going to be there. That's
Speaker 4: September twenty third and twenty fourth and Pocatello at the
Speaker 4: fair Grounds. And then after that we're going to a
Speaker 4: little town called Elgin, Oregon on October first, there's the
Speaker 4: Bigfoot Rendezvous train where you get to go on a
Speaker 4: train ride and have lunch, and we're going to be
Speaker 4: talking with you while we're going down the tracks about bigfoot,
Speaker 4: and you might see a bigfoot along the way, allegedly.
Speaker 2: Allegedly that there aren't they guaranteeing something.
Speaker 4: They are guaranteeing you'll see at least one or two
Speaker 4: big foot along the way, or I should say alleged bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's probably a safer way to say it,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. And then on October twenty
Speaker 4: first and twenty second, we're going to be at the
Speaker 4: Yakama Valley Bigfoot con in Yakima, Washington.
Speaker 2: You get a full calendar then. And then after that wintertime,
Speaker 2: what are you going to be doing then?
Speaker 4: This winter? Are we going to be heading south to
Speaker 4: do some big footing down south in Texas and Louisiana
Speaker 4: and Alabama, in South Carolina and North Carolina. And then
Speaker 4: we're headed to Tennessee and April for the East Tennessee
Speaker 4: Bigfoot Conference there with us and Josh Gates.
Speaker 2: Wow, good, good, good, excellent.
Speaker 3: I'm jealous of everything you said, except for the Josh
Speaker 3: Gates part.
Speaker 4: Oh really okay, yes.
Speaker 3: I got you're doing what I want to do.
Speaker 5: Then just squatching follow the season's going around the country.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: Well, if you have room in the rig, maybe Bobo
Speaker 2: can like be your pet or.
Speaker 4: Something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think on the floor too much.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Scott, thank you very much for spending
Speaker 2: some time with us. You have you have any extra time,
Speaker 2: you can stick around and do some more stuff for
Speaker 2: our members with us.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely cool.
Speaker 3: Cool, I got a lot of stuff I want to
Speaker 3: ask you.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, that'll be just for our members. Of course.
Speaker 2: We have a Patreon account is starting in October. If
Speaker 2: you want to check that out, just go to Bigfoot
Speaker 2: and Beyond podcast dot com and there'll be a nice
Speaker 2: big link for our Patreon on the web page somewhere,
Speaker 2: and is to help us a little bit pay for
Speaker 2: the podcast and all that sort of stuff, and you
Speaker 2: get extra features. At least thirty forty five minutes a
Speaker 2: week is what we're planning at this point. And some
Speaker 2: of the visuals that we talk about, like the main video,
Speaker 2: for example, we can post a link to that nice
Speaker 2: and easy for people to find. So, yeah, if you
Speaker 2: want to be a member of the Beyond, Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: Beyond podcast. You know, if you want to hear that
Speaker 2: and have some extra content every single week, you can
Speaker 2: go ahead and go to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot
Speaker 2: com and follow links and help support us there. We
Speaker 2: have shirts and hoodies and stuff like that available as well.
Speaker 2: So but Scott, you don't care about that, why don't
Speaker 2: we get you off the phone first. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming on. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Scott, all right, thank you. Bye.
Speaker 5: Well, Squatch America is going to be coming to a
Speaker 5: campground near you, so check those guys out they're in.
Speaker 2: The area, and listen to their podcast on YouTube.
Speaker 5: Yeah you know what I realized when I looked on
Speaker 5: there when we were doing the interview, I punched it up.
Speaker 3: I've totally checked out their page before and knew who
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's just like you had met him before
Speaker 2: and neated and remember it as well. So man, me too,
Speaker 2: me too, But that's our life, I guess.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, thanks to Scott and good luck with
Speaker 5: the Squatch America project. And until next week, y'all keep
Speaker 5: it squatchy.
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