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Speaker 2: We got Jeff Fuller on the line. Jeff, how that heck?

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Speaker 4: Are you doing great? Ben? How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm doing fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you joining me for a Let's talk about stats segment.

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Look I love seeing Jeff Fuller take to Twitter and

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begin pontificating about numbers, analytics, metrics. Uh that uh that

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people need to know about rite many of your tweets,

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When of your opinions have gone viral over the years

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and you continue to put out great content and I

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keep on retweeting it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, what have you delved into recently? Jeff? What's got

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your Uh? What's is there a be in your bonnet

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Speaker 3: About any of the stuff that's occurred this b YU

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college football season?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Are you? Are you kidding me? Is water wet? Is?

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Is there a dog in Georgia? Is the Pope Catholic? Then?

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I guess we shouldn't talk about about Catholic in the

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recent Notre Dame situation. But little little source spot there,

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But yeah, of course, I mean there's some stuff over

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the last you know, two seas seasons that boy, I'm

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I'm I'm gonna, you know, keep keep spouting from the

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small platform that I have as much as possible. But

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I mean, what's happened to BYU just being left out

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of discussion last year? And even you know when clearly

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not just a bubble team but probably the most resume

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definitely the most resume were the Bubble team this year

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just completely left off graphics, just not discussed on podcast shows,

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you know, with with national podcasters when you're talking about

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you know, the ESPN podcasts or their shows, when you're

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talking about Josh Pate or Ari Wasserman, Andy Staple, you know,

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some of those, some of those shows that these guys

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that are the talking heads and sort of drive a

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lot of the narratives. I mean, just completely like, oh, well,

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why why would we talk about b YU. They can

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they can play their way into the playoffs. It's like,

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are you getting eleven and one BYU? And this is

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one of the things that sort of hit the most

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is that I did an analysis you know that I

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saw other people sort of picked this up afterwards, some

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other BYU stats people, and then Shihan Jayleraja I think

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I'm saying that name right. He picked it up and

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put it in his article a few days after I

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tweeted this out. But if you look back at all

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one loss teams from power conferences over the last thirty years,

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have taken it back even further and have confirmed that

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it's even for there has never been a Power conference

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one loss team at the end of the regular season

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ranked worse than ten in the nation. And BYU with

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eleventh at eleven and one only loss to a top

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five team, Texas Tech, the strength of schedule around thirty

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ish in the nation. You know, jump just jump back.

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Last year, Indiana wasn't getting a lot of respect. Oh,

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they haven't played anyone, you know, yeah, they were eleven

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and one, but they haven't played anyone. You know, though

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in the time they did, they got they really got

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smoked by Ohio State. But you know, sort of similar

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to what BYU was being said about about Texas Tech.

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last year? It was eighty fourth eighty fourth, Okay, BYU's

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was about thirty ish. We're talking about two different you know,

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resumes completely as far as strength of schedule and strength

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of resume. Then you know, strength of record, I guess

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is the resume metric. And then just going back, I mean,

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even Boise State last year was a one lost team,

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was ranked higher than BYU in the final final College

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one lost Boise State than by you did in a

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power conference. And you know, you just I've been you know,

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people say, oh, you know, there's this persecute persecution complex.

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the worlds have to get them, and everything's unfair and

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they're just you know, they just like to whine and

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they're just you know, got this persecution complex. I mean,

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is it a persecusing complex? If it's real? I mean, well,

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what do they say, I'm only paranoid because everyone's against me.

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And you know, you go back and you look. Brett

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fourteen and he ranked all the most underrated teams in

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the history of the A people since that time, you know,

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the last eleven years number one, b YU. I've done

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a longer analysis, going back twenty five years, fifty or

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seventy five years, at every time interval over over all

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the time intervals. Guess who pops up is the most

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underrated team in ap pol. You know it's b Yu.

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It pops up again and again. I did basketball you know,

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most underrated team in the last fifty years in basketball

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finish in the AP poll in basketball, no other team

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is more underrated than b YU. It was tied with

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Texas Tech for that one. But you know, one one

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sport could be sort of a statistical you know, someone's

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got to be the most underrated, right, But if you

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take it to a second sport, and it's also there,

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if you take it, you know, not just to AP pole.

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and it's the same team popping up time and time

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and time again. You know that there. It's it's clear

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that whether it's contents just you know, hate or bias,

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it's not right. And I do not trust a committee,

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the committee idea for deciding the playoffs. They'd have to

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end or if there's a committee, they have to publish

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the metrics that matter, and they have to you know,

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and they have to you know, rank the teams if

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they're using metrics, and you know, maybe they can say, well,

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metrics are fifty or seventy five percent of it, and

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then we'll apply the eye test and our other arguments

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basketball tournament. At least we know an idea of where

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people are slotted. And b Yu is just totally totally

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left out of that discussion. And I've talked long enough.

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Speaker 3: But well, no, I think one of the tweeks that

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too subjective, and when we were going to see kind

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of a melding between algorithm metrics objective with the.

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Speaker 2: Human element and how will that be weighted?

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Speaker 3: And like he felt like they were moving in that direction,

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but it still didn't seem that way this go around. Well,

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they ever, they waited it except for BYU. Right, BA

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was never involved. So the other component right at Parker Fleming.

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I need to do a lot more on this, but

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he's got a stat wins above what an average team

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would be expected to have against your schedule. Indiana at

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number one point plus seven to one, Georgia at six

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six point seventy five. Ohiouse Ate at six point three

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to one, Texas am at six point one to three,

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and then b Yu at number five five point six four.

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I think you timed in on this and said everyone's

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going ballistic over number thirteen, getting it getting in on

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this list. That last CFP spot, number thirteen was Miami

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at plus four point twenty nine. Well number five, b Y,

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you can't even make ESPN's bubble graphics.

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Speaker 2: It's really insane.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I looked at that, at that metric that

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the stats of war Parking Fliming guy put out, and

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I know you've you've had interactions with him. Producer some

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great stuff, produces some interesting stuff. But number one through

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ten and in this metric of this wins above you

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know what an average team would be expected to make.

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five is DYU and then number eleven is Notre Dame.

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Number twelve is Vanderbuilt, then number thirteen is Miami. Miami

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got in the playoffs. You know, Texas isn't on here,

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Utahs fourteen, Michigan sixteen, Tulane was sixteen, today Lane a

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playoff team. You know, they even made this young top

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and then James Madison was nineteen. So we've got the

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two G five teams pop up as the you know,

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top twenty in this metric. So it seems to be

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a pretty good sorting metric to sort of predict who

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should be in the playoffs, except for BYU, who's number

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five and is not nowhere near you know, make you know,

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nowhere near seated there, let alone even in the bubble

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discussion for a lot of the graphics. I mean, you know,

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people tell me I'll just get over it, and you know,

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by he's got to get on the stage and prove

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it on the stage. And it's like, well, I agree,

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we could make our case a lot better. But it's

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why why did it rules for BYU?

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Speaker 3: Okay, minus Alabama because they got to the SEC championship

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and earlier in the year they had baked into their

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resume that they beat Georgia on the road. I understand

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all that you're an Alabama guy, right, so you maybe

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that maybe may ring true to you Alabama getting in

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even though they got blown out in a similar fashion

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to that of BYU in their.

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Speaker 2: SEC championship game.

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Speaker 3: BYU lost by twenty two the first go round and

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then how many did they lose by?

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Speaker 2: What was it like thirty four to seven? And in

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Speaker 4: Yeah it was twenty twenty four. This second time four nine,

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second down no twenty seven, twenty seven the second seven

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Speaker 3: Okay, So was there anybody else in the college football

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playoff that lost by that amount to another college football

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playoff team or a lesser team? Did anyone else lose

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by a same similar margin to that of BYU that

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Speaker 4: I mean, Alabama the first week of the year lost

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by is it eighteen or twenty two to Florida State,

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a team that didn't then ranked. And you know that's

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what's so frustrating. Ye. Yes, I'm a Dama fan and

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Speaker 3: It was a closer game, you know what I mean?

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I mean it's closer game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well a little bit. But if you if you

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watch the games. You know that that game wasn't it

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was terribly close. Yeah, And you know, I know a

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lot of the a lot of people just sort of

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look at the box scores and the final scores. But

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what's frustrating is just here in Alabama, people have watched

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this team that honestly is peaked mid season. You know,

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they had you know, ESPN talks about, oh, they had

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a stretch of four four straight ranked wins. Well, two

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of those teams didn't end up being ranked by the

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end of the season, but they still get credit for that.

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it's just so frustrating just seeing sort of both sides

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of the coin and where BYU fans would kill for

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the opportunity to be there. You know, DAMA fans are like,

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, This is a philosophical

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Speaker 2: Look, I think the committee was trying to do B.

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Speaker 3: Why you was solid by lining up Notre Dame with

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with b YU and the pop touch bawl? Had that happened, right,

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how much anguish would BYU fans be having a post

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post final committee decision? Do you think if they go

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to the pop touch bawl against Notre Dame the first

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two teams out?

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Speaker 2: Like, how how disgruntled are we?

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Speaker 4: I'm I mean I'm still still very Yeah, I mean yeah, absolutely,

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And the committee wasn't trying to do anything there. I mean,

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the committee doesn't care one lock about the bulls. After

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the college football it was.

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Speaker 3: Acc associated with a big twelve FO so that they

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were able to to make that work because Notre Dame

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was contracted out with the a SEC.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the College Football Playoff Committee doesn't make that.

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Speaker 2: College You're right, You're right.

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Speaker 3: So Okay, let's say, B, why you got in? What

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were they would have been probably a number ten seed? Right,

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they would have got that ten seed? Okay, Texas A

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and M. How would be why you far against Texas

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A and M in your opinion.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Texas A and M is the least tested

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of the SEC teams. They played one team that had

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that finished in the top half of the SEC final

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standings and they lost to that team. That was the

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Texas is the only team they played in the SEC

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that finished in the top half of the standings, and

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they got beat pretty handily. So they had a very

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interesting draw. Yeah, they have the Notre Dame win early

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in the season, and people argue whether that should have

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been win with the hold at the end and the

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mixed missed extra point and everything. But they you know,

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they really drew an inside straight on the easy side

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of the SEC schedule. When they played a better team Texas,

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they lost pretty handily, So you know, they they may

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be a little bit of a paper tiger. I mean,

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they've they've got talent, they got a better coach now

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than they've had in a while with Elco. I think

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Dyu performs pretty well. I mean, they have one of

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those explosive offenses that you know can can come out

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of nowhere, So it really depends on how well the

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defense would hold up.

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Speaker 2: But I mean and M's strength of record was fifth.

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B Yu's ninth.

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Speaker 3: Their FPI was tenth, BYU was sixteenth strength of schedule

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and M was eighteenth.

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Speaker 2: BYU is twenty third. This is all per ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Right, Sagarin had BYU at number twenty four, Texas am

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at number eight.

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Speaker 1: ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you don't like Sagur.

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Speaker 3: That's why I'm giving you all the date, these these

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these spots, right, because I'm giving you as many of

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these because I go through them all right, I'm going

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into Massie, you know, I try to see exactly and

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how they're weighted, and just to try to get a

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visual of what BYU is because in my opinion, BYU

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is in that very uh like they're a great team.

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Speaker 2: They're in that.

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Speaker 3: Six to about seventeen rank. I think right around there

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where they that's where they're at. I don't think they're

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an elite team. I just don't.

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Speaker 2: I think the top five teams.

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Speaker 3: That are our leader probably Ohio State, Indiana Tech, Georgia,

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and I think Oregan's right there knocking on the door

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to be an elite team.

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the correct assumption, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like that's kind of where I'm at. A and M

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was eighth per sp plus. Collectively, they're septh and offense,

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twenty first and defense, and then eighty first on special teams.

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My personal opinion is, I get where you're going. I

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think we're out matched even versus Texas A and M.

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a profitability or not like I want to be where

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you get over the hump. But at the end of

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the day, I also think, do you believe how a

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team finishes, you know, matters going into the offseason.

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Speaker 2: Do you think getting a win over at Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Tech a twenty second team, twenty second team, best team

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in the country would be more beneficial than by you

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losing by you know, fourteen to twenty one points versus

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Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: And the college football.

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Speaker 4: Playoff, oh no, take the playoffs. Playoff loss every day

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of the week and twice on Sunday until.

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Speaker 2: You got to the playoff. It's kind of the tournament thing.

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Speaker 4: Sure, you you get the yeah, you get the buzz,

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you get the sort of the notch on your belt,

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you get the the buy in that hey we can

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you know you've broken through the glass ceiling. And I

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think maybe in any other given year. You know, if

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if a team that you don't think is going to

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do great, maybe you're like like the Alabama fans here,

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uh maybe maybe don't want to see this team, you know,

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not not do as well as they are fearing. Uh.

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But yeah for b YU, yeah, you got to break

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that class ceiling. And even if you get uh, you know,

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you don't get beat. And I think that's where you know,

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fans just don't want to hear it from you know,

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their their co workers or people on social media. So

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you just got to ignore that stuff. The average person

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who you know, they respect, uh, they respect programs too,

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who get there. I mean uh so, I mean you

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don't want to TCU versus Georgia kind of total blowout.

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But you know people talk about that, but they also

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forget that TCU beat Michigan to get there. They want

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a playoff game, uh to get there. Uh. And then

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sort of the the other side of the coin is

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that a lot of these powerful teams got there and

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got embarrassed. Last year. I mean, Indiana got blown out

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by Notre Dame in the playoff game. Oregon got blown

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out by Ohio State in the playoff game. Where are

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those two teams now this year, you know, those are

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two of the five teams you just mentioned that are elite.

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They were able to parlay that, you know, elevated status

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of being in the playoff, even though they didn't perform

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well in the playoffs, they were able to parlay that

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into increased respect. Uh and you know, great transfer portal classes.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you just got to get there.

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Speaker 3: I think when when the when the Dominoes finally felt

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like and they evaluated who they got in last year,

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to me that what they did is a reactionary cause

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or reactionary uh, just just kind of this motive of

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why they did what they did this year. I think

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they reflect on last year. Boys State got their their

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their booties beat belt a boot s MU did not

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was not competitive last year.

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Speaker 2: I think they look at.

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Speaker 3: Those two situations and they're like, we overseeded Boise and

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we probably should have left s m U out. We

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want a more competitive playoff. The more competitive playoff will

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come from five SEC teams. Let's do something different than

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we did last year. I think it's almost that basic.

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And then they had to find a way to get

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an ACC team in there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but the playoff, I mean they're not being

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if what you're saying is true, I mean, did they

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not watch the games? I mean, I think Indiana and

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Tennessee and Oregon performed every bit as bad as SMU

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or Boise State, did you know you can say, I

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mean that there were a lot of and you know,

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people say, well, we want to have the most competitive games,

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and that's why we're going to put in the best teams.

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Maybe not the most deserving teams, that we want to

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put in the best teams. And it's like some of the.

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Speaker 2: R tennant Tennessee got destroyed.

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Speaker 3: Some people say the Ohio State team was was you know,

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I don't know they're seeding right, Yeah, you know, we

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know how good Ohio State is from a resource depot.

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They like Tennessee was. You know, like I said, it

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goes back to like my elite and then great teams.

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Like I think in any given year you probably have

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like five elite teams, right, Like we know that Clemson

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was not an elite team. Last year they were, they

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were a great team, and Texas was kind of in

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Texas to me last year was kind of like Oregon

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this year, like depending on the day, they're like great

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or they're they look elite, right depending on their game

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plan where they're playing is at home away neutral type

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of deal. So I don't know, it's intriguing to me.

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It really is like how how far out should we

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How how many teams should we expand to? Do you

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think in order to you know, like maintain brands, conferences,

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you know that happiness and have a couple of cinderellas, Right, Like,

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what do we need to get to with some bye

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weeks as well? We would start the calendar a little

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bit earlier, maybe get rid of conference championship games, right,

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if we need to just get rid of conference championship

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games and we can play another conference game there, we

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can we can play maybe a couple more conference games

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if you start the calendar a little bit sooner with

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your non conference play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know their expansion is imminent. Apparently

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the question is it sounds like sixteen is sort of

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the next step that most people are agreeing upon, and

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you know, then, I you know, five plus eleven is

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what's being discussed right now. It's five plus seven, you know,

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five automatics plus seven at largest, five plus eleven would

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just expand the large field by by four more. I

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just don't trust that commit I honestly believe it was

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if it was a sixteen team playoff this year at

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VYU Utah would be ranked, you know, the first two

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teams outside outside of I mean, that's the cynic in

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me that that they've just seen what they've done in

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the last two years, and it seems like they figure

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out a way to do it. So I don't I

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don't trust the committee. And initially I hated the idea

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of the Big Ten with these multiple automatic qualifiers, this

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four you know, initially it was four four two two

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one five or something like that for the sixteen team playoff,

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and then they expanded it, well, let's do four four

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four four, so all the power conferences get four automatics

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and then you know there's still you know, maybe two

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spots for G five champions and then still like five

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or six at large spots I think for a twenty

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four team playoff, which I know sounds huge, and I

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initially just push back and hate that idea, but I

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you know, the committee has made me a bullie. We're

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in that plan, a plan that I don't like because

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I don't trust the committee. And if conferences can sell

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and you talk about, you know, conference championships going away

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with that plan, you know, you could still have your

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conference championships for the Power four and they you know,

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the top two teams automatically get in, uh, those those spots.

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But then you maybe have two play in games where

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you know, number three plays number six and number five

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plays number four in your in your conference, and whoever

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wins those playing games, you know, they get a home

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game maybe on that same weekend, and that you know,

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under the interest. And he initially I hated the idea,

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but I mean seeing what the committee's done in the

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last couple of years to b YU and certain other teams,

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you know, I just anything that will take hower away

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from a very subjective committee that won't tell us the rules,

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that'll say, well, strength of record matters now because this team.

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We want to get this team in, but oh, the

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test applies more to this team. And did you see

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how gutsy they were, you know, going fourth down or

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did you see how their offensive line played? It's like,

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what what are you talking about? These these are completely

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random subjective things. Why are you quote you know, the

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committee and the show and everything. They just need to

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have less and less power, and anything we can do

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to get that committee is going to be better for

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college football. In my opinion.

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Speaker 3: The college football cartel, the cabal, the oly goppoly, the

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monopoly on the sport.

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Speaker 2: It continues.

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Speaker 3: They don't like look BYU once upon a time, That's

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why they don't like them. Eighty four baby, the by

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was able.

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Speaker 2: To circumvent the cartel. That you're like, no, never again.

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When we let that happen, they still haven't paid their pennance.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, they they're not getting in no IF's answer,

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but about it. No, I do think from a legacy standpoint,

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like okay, like we we've had top twenty five for

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a right, we always talked about the top twenty five.

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Obviously you can't have twenty five in the in the

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in the college football playoff, but it'd be nice to

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include as many of the big brands as possible, even

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if they end up being one and done right or

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you have multiple playing games like that with like these

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you know fifteen to the twenty five area, right, Like,

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I don't know, there needs to be those playing games

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to keep relevancy and we need need Cinderella's Joel Klatz

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an idiot. He doesn't want any Cinderella. What an absurdity,

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what a pompous prick. No offense, nove. He's a smart man,

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but that was not a smart thing to say, in

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my opinion.

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Speaker 2: So anyways, I gotta let you go, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: But always a pleasure, always a blessing, talking ball with you,

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love talking stats with you, a great conversation today.

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Speaker 4: Brother, Appreciate the time, and you have great day. Go

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koogs and I go.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: That's Jeff Fuller, our local or our favorite Vitrio retinal

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surgeon live from Alabama, always talking metrics with him.

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talk some college basketball. BYU Basketball. On the flip side,

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WI Jonathan Tabinari, the Brazilian bomber coming up next. This

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