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Speaker 1: It's the d Conchamber. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
Speaker 1: trekkies and trekkers, Welcome back to a very special episode
Speaker 1: of the Decon Chamber. I am your co host, Dominic
Speaker 1: keating joint as always with my bestie mister Connor Treneer,
Speaker 1: my fellow co host.
Speaker 2: In the house.
Speaker 1: We're so pleased to have in the Chamber today, mister
Speaker 1: Vince Dedrick Junior. He's a second generation stunt performer, following
Speaker 1: his father, Vince Dedrick Senor into film and TV. He's
Speaker 1: now a titan of the industry with over fifty years
Speaker 1: working an acclaimed stunt coordinator, actor, producer, director, and even writer.
Speaker 1: Now Connor and I know him best of all as
Speaker 1: the stunt coordinator on all four seasons of Enterprise, where
Speaker 1: he also served as primary stunt double for our captain
Speaker 1: mister Scott Bakula. Among his many distinctions, He's also doubled
Speaker 1: Jeff Bridges in dozens of films. He's well known for
Speaker 1: his incredible stunt work on films like Sir Romancing, The Stone,
Speaker 1: Heat Titanic, The Big Lebowski, and Iron Man. On the
Speaker 1: TV screen, You've seen him in Buffy, Babylon five, and
Speaker 1: of course Maguiver to name it a few. Literally, his
Speaker 1: credits number in the hundreds. He's been nominated three times
Speaker 1: for Primetime Emmy Awards, including one for two episodes of
Speaker 1: our show Enterprise in season four. I think that was
Speaker 1: Borderland and Cold Station twelve if I'm not mistaken. He
Speaker 1: got a SAG nomination for Iron Man three and has
Speaker 1: won of Children of Family Emmy Award for his stunt
Speaker 1: coordination on the show Danger Force. His series Donn on
Speaker 1: the Go, which I did not know about, for which
Speaker 1: he served as director, producer and writer, has picked up
Speaker 1: several awards across the festival circuit, and just recently his
Speaker 1: dedicated years of work in the stunt industry, He's just
Speaker 1: become an inductee into the Gold Circle of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six Children of Family Emmy Awards. He's meant to
Speaker 1: subsequent generations of stunt performers who are sure to carry
Speaker 1: on his wisdom. Don't bump into the furniture, mate, it
Speaker 1: is to come. Please give a very warm welcome to
Speaker 1: mister Vince Dedrick Junior. Yes, there you are.
Speaker 2: Mates. Wow, that was a great lead in. Wow, that's
Speaker 2: a lead in.
Speaker 3: It's such a thrill to talk to you again and
Speaker 3: to talk about your work with not only us, but
Speaker 3: all of the things.
Speaker 4: You've done throughout your career.
Speaker 3: And look, I mean I looked you up, I did
Speaker 3: some research. Good god, man, do you ever well you're
Speaker 3: sitting now.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting. Yeah, I'm resting now. It's been a now,
Speaker 2: but not I've started to rest a lot more about
Speaker 2: last year and a half. Yeah, this fifty two years
Speaker 2: I think. I don't know if you've heard, but I
Speaker 2: was on the on The Happy Day Show the first
Speaker 2: season as an extra. I did background crosses. And that
Speaker 2: show is a single camera show that was back in
Speaker 2: seventy three, and that's where it kind of started.
Speaker 1: So your dad, Vince Fedrick, was obviously a stunt man.
Speaker 1: How let's start there, I mean, how did he It
Speaker 1: takes a certain you know, let's face it, a certain
Speaker 1: human being that goes, yeah, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Do Yeah, I'll give you the short story. He worked
Speaker 2: at Groman. It's an aeronautical industry growman whatever it's called.
Speaker 2: And he's doing nights. He couldn't stand it, and he
Speaker 2: looked in the newspaper that's what that was before the Internet,
Speaker 2: and he saw something for some grips and electricians over
Speaker 2: at MGM Studios. They are looking for it. So he
Speaker 2: went down there to apply to do something different, and
Speaker 2: he saw all these marines down at the end of
Speaker 2: the block there. He said, Hey, I just got out
Speaker 2: of the Marines. I'd loved it. What were these guys doing. Oh,
Speaker 2: they're signing up for doing extra work. What's extra work?
Speaker 2: And that's how it kind of started. He went down
Speaker 2: there because he was a marine and just knew the talk.
Speaker 2: He got in there and that's when he started doing
Speaker 2: extra work and worked his way up from there into
Speaker 2: stunt work, working with the guys. I you may remember
Speaker 2: how I need him those guys when how it was
Speaker 2: just getting started working out on weekends, and because he
Speaker 2: loved seeing the stunts on the shows, and back then
Speaker 2: it was a lot of Westerns. He's sort of like
Speaker 2: the late fifth mid to late fifties, so it's nothing
Speaker 2: but Westerns. And he didn't know how to ride a horse,
Speaker 2: so he learned how to ride a horse, and that's
Speaker 2: how he got with McQueen. He got a job to
Speaker 2: just work on the show as a background, one of
Speaker 2: the backgrounds, and the ad came up to him and
Speaker 2: looked him up and down said, hey, can you ride?
Speaker 2: He said, oh, like the win. He said, I'm going
Speaker 2: to have you put on Josh Randall's outfit, which was
Speaker 2: Steve McQueen, and he did some writing on the show.
Speaker 2: Steve and my dad hit it off because Steve was
Speaker 2: an ext marine, came from a broken home, my dad
Speaker 2: came from a broken home. They were best friends for
Speaker 2: seven years and they did a lot of shows together
Speaker 2: and that's where it kind of all started with him.
Speaker 4: That's amazing. I have to say this.
Speaker 3: I was looking you up and I looked through your
Speaker 3: Instagram and there's this post that you sent out where
Speaker 3: you and your pops are working on a fight scene
Speaker 3: and halfway through your dad stops and then you go
Speaker 3: through it again and then he clocks it.
Speaker 4: You can even hear it.
Speaker 2: Oh God, Jesus Christ. Oh it's a nice sound. It's
Speaker 2: a great time. I thought my tooth came through my
Speaker 2: lip because it was a good hit and not due
Speaker 2: to the ground. Yeah, it was an uppercut, you know,
Speaker 2: Dad was in his seventies at that point, and I
Speaker 2: was doing a Sony commercial and I came he goes
Speaker 2: not too far from me, and I said, hey, Dad,
Speaker 2: I got to work on some Koreo. Can you help me?
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I'm a little tired, but okay, And
Speaker 2: so of course, you know when you're tired, you wanted
Speaker 2: to throw punches all. You know, we had done it
Speaker 2: a few times and he clocked me. Good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really pretty beautiful thing about that scene, I'll call
Speaker 3: it moment, is that you know, after that you've got
Speaker 3: to you know, tissue on your lip, and then you
Speaker 3: are just talking to your dad. You know, he's like,
Speaker 3: the last time that happened, he broke somebody's nose.
Speaker 2: To double uh uh Kirk Douglas and he broke his
Speaker 2: nose real bad on a show. And yeah, so he'd
Speaker 2: only broken or hit two people. My me, what's funny
Speaker 2: we forgot that the camera is still rolling and you
Speaker 2: see all this stuff in the background.
Speaker 3: I have to say that, Vince, one of the most
Speaker 3: beautiful things I've seen in a while is that you're
Speaker 3: chatting about it and like, you know, and then what
Speaker 3: does he say, like, you know, yeah, I got you good,
Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, don't piss me off.
Speaker 2: But I went down pretty quick. You went down like
Speaker 2: a rock.
Speaker 1: A lot of blood, Yeah, a lot of blood.
Speaker 2: Don't piss me off. And then you I love you,
Speaker 2: I love you. I love you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he says, I love you.
Speaker 3: And the way in which you said it to each other,
Speaker 3: I mean just just really made my heart swell.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He wasn't one to use that too much and
Speaker 2: he didn't say it much. But I got it on
Speaker 2: video and that's the first first one. And I'm glad,
Speaker 2: you know, but it took me hit and hit to
Speaker 2: get that on video. Yeah, so you did you?
Speaker 1: I mean, as a kid, did you get to go
Speaker 1: to set and see him in action? And is that
Speaker 1: what you got the bug?
Speaker 2: I got the bug? Yeah. I used to watch him
Speaker 2: in the backyard do fights and choreograph fights. That's when they,
Speaker 2: you know, do it in the backyard. Today they do
Speaker 2: it and big warehouses with cardboard boxes. But my dad
Speaker 2: and a buddy of his I can't remember his name,
Speaker 2: would just fight all the time, and and uh, it
Speaker 2: was so funny. One time one of the neighbors thought
Speaker 2: they were really fighting and called the police and the
Speaker 2: police came down and they were just throwing you know,
Speaker 2: fake punches, what have you. But I, you know, lift it.
Speaker 2: I was around it. We had Lee Majors who was
Speaker 2: just getting started on Big Valley, was hungry all the time,
Speaker 2: didn't have any money. He came over to our house
Speaker 2: all the time for dinner. His dad was doubling him
Speaker 2: on Big Valley, and so I saw that. But I
Speaker 2: think of what got me is he did bring me
Speaker 2: to the set a few times and I saw him
Speaker 2: do a big fight on Big Valley, and I thought
Speaker 2: that was great. And what I loved about is at
Speaker 2: the end, all the people behind the camera clapped and
Speaker 2: that was fantastic, and I was, you know, I swelled
Speaker 2: my chest. I'm nine years old, and I thought, wow,
Speaker 2: that's that's my dad. So that was pretty cool, and
Speaker 2: that's how it kind of got started. But I didn't
Speaker 2: think I could ever do it because my dad was
Speaker 2: a tough son of a gun, and I wasn't tough.
Speaker 2: I was nowhere near as tough as him. My kids
Speaker 2: had a broken home, a marine. He had a tough life,
Speaker 2: and he was he was known to the beliefe. He
Speaker 2: used to steal hubcaps. He was he was a rough kid.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was a rough but.
Speaker 1: My Ryan thinking you were born in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was stationed at Kanyee and I was
Speaker 2: born in Hawaii. So I still see that house every
Speaker 2: time we go there on vacation. I go to Kanyeoe
Speaker 2: and that house is still there. It's a little cottage.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because my dad and I were
Speaker 2: working on a show down there once. He took me there.
Speaker 2: He said, because it's a two, it's a like a condo,
Speaker 2: an A, a unit and a B.
Speaker 1: Is it.
Speaker 2: Well, over here you were conceived and over here you
Speaker 2: were born units.
Speaker 1: That's say that, Vince.
Speaker 3: How does it work? How do you like sow for instance?
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, can you ride a horse? Actors are
Speaker 3: always like, well horse and you go, hell yeah. One
Speaker 3: of the reality is is that in your business you've
Speaker 3: got to actually do some serious things with stunts, yes, cars,
Speaker 3: what have you? What what gets one into it and
Speaker 3: what does it take to be able to survive the business?
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. Today I have no idea
Speaker 2: how they're doing it. But back in my day, how
Speaker 2: we did it was we just uh, we would trained
Speaker 2: with friends or they had some stunt schools back then,
Speaker 2: and you would train and then you take pictures of
Speaker 2: yourself doing a high fall or doing some sword work
Speaker 2: or on fire, and you'd have your composite and eight
Speaker 2: by ten your face shot on one side and you're all
Speaker 2: your action on the other, and you go hustle the
Speaker 2: studios and go to the stunt coordinators that are running shows.
Speaker 2: And back then you literally had to jump over the
Speaker 2: fences at like universal sneak in to get your pictures
Speaker 2: to the coordinators. And that's how you got recognized and known,
Speaker 2: and they wouldn't take just everybody had to have word
Speaker 2: of mouth too, like other stunt guys would say, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that guy's good, that kid's good, he's up and coming.
Speaker 2: And you have to train. You just got to do
Speaker 2: all your training and today.
Speaker 4: Does a good mean like they'll do anything.
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember I was looking at your on
Speaker 3: the information about you, like somebody said to you, hey,
Speaker 3: we're gonna send a car down an eighty foot fall
Speaker 3: and going to be on either side, and you went, hell, yeah.
Speaker 2: Jump, oh yeah. I was very excited about that because
Speaker 2: I was I was okay with heights. I had never
Speaker 2: taken a car off a waterfall with right next to me.
Speaker 2: We literally Terry Leonard and I were on each side
Speaker 2: of the car and wrote the car was on a
Speaker 2: ramp and it looked like it was floating and going
Speaker 2: off the eighty footer, but it was actually on a
Speaker 2: ramp that you don't see. And we had little pigs
Speaker 2: made on each side of the car and we were
Speaker 2: standing on those, and as the car hit the end
Speaker 2: of the of the waterfall, we actually chumped off and
Speaker 2: went with it all the way down. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it was exciting. I was twenty seven, I think
Speaker 2: I was. Really I had five years in the business
Speaker 2: as a professional stunt man, and I said to do
Speaker 2: a stunt with a legend like Terry Leonard, Hell yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: and I I was game for it.
Speaker 4: It's almost like, yeah, sure, I'll do that.
Speaker 3: But the machinations, the reality of how do you figure
Speaker 3: out sending a car over a waterfall two actors on
Speaker 3: either side, the realities of that are very different.
Speaker 4: They're just kind of going like hell yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And we had an accident the first well
Speaker 2: not an accident, but when they released the car on
Speaker 2: take one, the car got stuck on the ramp. So
Speaker 2: there was no cable on it. It was literally stuck
Speaker 2: and we didn't know what to do. We couldn't jump
Speaker 2: because we would have been killed because we weren't even
Speaker 2: near the edge. We had to ride this thing down.
Speaker 2: So we literally, I'm screaming at him the top of
Speaker 2: my lungs because the water so wow, what did we
Speaker 2: do were we were in a mess? And he said
Speaker 2: just jump off to the side, So we literally jumped
Speaker 2: off to the side. They cut, they broke for lunch.
Speaker 2: They reset the car during lunch, and it was the
Speaker 2: first shot after lunch. Of course, I couldn't eat a
Speaker 2: thing now because you know, we had a mishap, so
Speaker 2: we didn't expect that. I knew. I knew going back
Speaker 2: into it. I knew with a car you have to
Speaker 2: get or anything that you're riding, you have to get
Speaker 2: away from it. So you have to if you get
Speaker 2: If you get off of that car too late when
Speaker 2: you're riding it down, when it's in free fall, you're
Speaker 2: gonna stay with the car all the way down, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna get away from it. So you have to
Speaker 2: jump off the car right before you get to the
Speaker 2: edge of that ramp, which we did. Although Terry, if
Speaker 2: you watch the picture the movie Romancing the Stone, he
Speaker 2: was literally right next to the car all the way down.
Speaker 2: He'll day he almost got killed on that one. But see,
Speaker 2: those are the those are the ones that are what
Speaker 2: I call the ten percenters. Ninety percent of the time,
Speaker 2: they're you know, fights and falls, ten footers and and
Speaker 2: you know, things that you're gonna walk away from. You
Speaker 2: might get hurt, but you're gonna walk away from. That
Speaker 2: one was a life or death and I've had a
Speaker 2: few of those over there over my career.
Speaker 1: When you say jumped from the car, I mean are
Speaker 1: you jumping out of the window? Are you opening the door?
Speaker 2: No? We're literally I mean uh. In the movie, you
Speaker 2: see Kathleen Turner Michael Douglass inside the car. They're riding
Speaker 2: it down the river and they see the waterfalle what
Speaker 2: do we do? We got to jump And so they
Speaker 2: climb out the what do you call that the sun roof,
Speaker 2: and as they do, they go to a different shot
Speaker 2: of a white shot of them jumping off, so you
Speaker 2: don't see they We had we had to have a
Speaker 2: spot made for us with these two little steel pegs
Speaker 2: on each side, just so we could hang onto those
Speaker 2: by our feet hold onto the car. So we were
Speaker 2: literally straddling the car on each side and we jumped
Speaker 2: just when it got to the edge. And that's what
Speaker 2: was so scary because the first time it's it got
Speaker 2: hung up, and that freaks you out.
Speaker 1: You just don't like to understand that you might have
Speaker 1: been Kathleen Turner in that ship.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I know, I knew it.
Speaker 2: Now, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: You're a pretty young man.
Speaker 2: Here's what's so funny. I got. And I was thinking
Speaker 2: about it today in the shower. I was thinking, you
Speaker 2: know what, I wouldn't have doubled Kathleen Turner had I
Speaker 2: not gotten a me. Butit dysentery I got. You know,
Speaker 2: do you remember the mud side when they were going
Speaker 2: to follow?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So that was water that they shipped in. They literally
Speaker 2: had barrels of water that would go with us. Don't
Speaker 2: know where the water came from, who knows where, you know,
Speaker 2: because these Mexican drivers were bringing the water in barrels
Speaker 2: of water in for us. And uh, I got sick
Speaker 2: about a week after that. I mean bit dysentery and
Speaker 2: I just lost thirty nine pounds in like six weeks, Wow,
Speaker 2: like a rail and that Kathleen was a railback. Then
Speaker 2: she's just gotten off a body heat, which was an
Speaker 2: amazing movie. And uh so Terry said, my girl doesn't
Speaker 2: want to do the stunt. You want to do it?
Speaker 2: And I said, hell yeah, as you know, hell yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah no, there's a picture of me somewhere in my
Speaker 2: in my photo desks of me in the dress.
Speaker 1: With the bigger bowski. Just how many white Russians did
Speaker 1: you have to drink?
Speaker 2: That was a crazy show. I got to tell you,
Speaker 2: that's my first time working with the Cohen brothers and
Speaker 2: I almost got fired on that show because I did.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they we went in it was the scene
Speaker 2: where Jeff's head gets put in the toilet and they
Speaker 2: want me to do it. We went in the apartment
Speaker 2: and there they're showing me what we're gonna do, and
Speaker 2: and uh uh. One of the Coen brothers, I think
Speaker 2: it was Ethan. He says, hey, guys, they're lighting in
Speaker 2: there in the bathroom right now, so we can't rehearse.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna we're gonna go around the corner. This
Speaker 2: is at a studio in Hollywood somewhere. I forget the
Speaker 2: name of Sam Goldwyn Ally whatever whatever it was. It
Speaker 2: was from the thirties. And he said, we're gonna go
Speaker 2: to the public restroom around the corner. It's been cleaned
Speaker 2: and we're going to rehearse there. And I said stop.
Speaker 2: I said stop, And I looked at Ethan and Joel
Speaker 2: and the stunt coordinators from New York. So I really
Speaker 2: didn't know him. I said, look, I said, I'm not
Speaker 2: doing that. You can do it. I pointed my finger
Speaker 2: at Ethan. You can. I'm not putting my head in
Speaker 2: that toilet. I said, you can go to home depot,
Speaker 2: get a brand new toilet, bring it in and we'll
Speaker 2: rehearse all day on. I'll rehearse all day on for it.
Speaker 2: And there was silence. They all looked at me, and
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm done, I'm fired. This is it, And
Speaker 2: then Ethan laughed. Joel laughed and said that, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think you're right, we'll do that. And great they did it.
Speaker 2: And so if you ever say I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: it might be in my Instagram, I've got the story
Speaker 2: on that, and you'll see the toilet with Ethan leaning
Speaker 2: over it.
Speaker 4: Oh no, yes, yeah, yeah, he's he's like underneath it,
Speaker 4: and you looked up and yeah, I am not about that.
Speaker 2: Did so much DNA from the thirties all the way
Speaker 2: till the present. There's no way. I don't care how
Speaker 2: clean that toilet is in.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, and you do already, you know you had
Speaker 1: to maybe dysancery once already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wanted to ask you what what are
Speaker 3: you looking for? And what makes you hire someone to
Speaker 3: be a part of your team or group as a
Speaker 3: stunt performer.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's deep, I think. I look I look for confidence.
Speaker 2: I look for I don't want an egotistical asshole. Excuse
Speaker 2: my French, but I don't want that kind of guy
Speaker 2: on my show because those kinds of guys will get hurt,
Speaker 2: the ones that are a little too cocky, And I
Speaker 2: just want guys that know their stuff, have a good rep,
Speaker 2: will listen to me, will stay I like people that
Speaker 2: stay on set are there so I don't have to
Speaker 2: go looking for him, and just you know, just all
Speaker 2: all around stunt guys.
Speaker 4: What is knowing your stuff mean?
Speaker 3: Like, you know, for instance, did you have a guy
Speaker 3: that says, I mean I've never ridden a horse?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well see that's the thing. You know, hey, you
Speaker 2: have to check and they have websites or or back
Speaker 2: in the day, we used to have these books and
Speaker 2: I used to use them on on Star Trek. They
Speaker 2: were called the Stunt Directory, and you can look and
Speaker 2: you can see their picture onto the right where there
Speaker 2: be their abilities or there's specialties some what have you.
Speaker 2: And so there'd be people that I didn't know that
Speaker 2: I had to get over there. It was a good size,
Speaker 2: or I needed some indis that could ride or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I'd look in there and i'd look to see
Speaker 2: if they could ride, or if they could if they're
Speaker 2: good with sword play, they were comfortable with fire, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and then I would cross check with
Speaker 2: another stunt guy that has worked them and get, you know, recommendations.
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, I get bit by somebody
Speaker 2: that didn't didn't do what I wanted to do. It
Speaker 2: even happened on one of our episodes, and it happens.
Speaker 2: But all in all, uh, you got you got to
Speaker 2: know your basics. You got to know your fights, your
Speaker 2: high falls, your fire sword plays, good car work, motorcycles,
Speaker 2: all as a well rounded stunt guy. Horsework is something
Speaker 2: that's almost a specialty now because you don't see much
Speaker 2: of it anymore. I really don't see much of it,
Speaker 2: but now with the Yellowstone and all the other shows
Speaker 2: that's coming back. What Taylor shrit is he can ride
Speaker 2: a horse. That's you can ride a horse?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes he can. He does all he does. I'm
Speaker 1: right saying he does a lot of that stunt horse
Speaker 1: work is himself, doesn't.
Speaker 2: He he does the uh I forget what it's called.
Speaker 2: It's uh uh oh god, where they stopped stuff? I
Speaker 2: forget forget what? But yes, he's very good, a good horseman,
Speaker 2: tssage stopping way.
Speaker 1: You know, he can like a radio guy. He can
Speaker 1: stop a horse on a dime and turn it around.
Speaker 2: And I think it's called cutting where they cut the horse,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah, he's got extraordinary So I when
Speaker 1: when when did you get your first job as a
Speaker 1: coordinator rather than a gun for hire as it were.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say it was romancing the Stone?
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 2: I think that was it. I tried to think if
Speaker 2: I did anything prior to that as a coordinator. I
Speaker 2: can't go that far back. I've been knocked out five times,
Speaker 2: so I used that bing that But I think it was.
Speaker 2: It was well, let's put it this way, when Romancing
Speaker 2: came out and they gave me that coordinator credit, the
Speaker 2: phone went I can't. I was true and features and
Speaker 2: TV shows and that's how I got mcgiver. Yeah. Mcgiver
Speaker 2: was a seven year run. It was a great run
Speaker 2: over at Paramount, which by the way, is my favorite
Speaker 2: studio of all studios. I had so many great memories
Speaker 2: with you guys on eight nine and eighteen, just a
Speaker 2: really great, great times.
Speaker 3: And that would say probably for a stunt coordinator to
Speaker 3: get mcgiver. Yeah, with a paper clip and aluminum boil
Speaker 3: and you figure all these things out. What a wonder
Speaker 3: to be able to do stunt coordination for that show specifically.
Speaker 2: It was a great job and it was a great
Speaker 2: way they took me up to We shot down here
Speaker 2: for two years over at Paramount, I went up to
Speaker 2: Vancouver for four and then came back here for the
Speaker 2: last season. So the sad thing about that was we
Speaker 2: never had a core crew like we did on Star Trek,
Speaker 2: you know, for the four years, and those crews on
Speaker 2: Star Trek, boy, they went back, didn't they They had
Speaker 2: we had an enterprise and then they were on Voyager
Speaker 2: DS nine and all the way back.
Speaker 1: Seventeen is some of them had been together. Yeah a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 2: I think I told you. I've been talking to Brad
Speaker 2: and Mary lately and they're doing good and they're still around.
Speaker 1: Rod. You said, lives out in palm.
Speaker 2: It's either Palm Springs or Palm Desert, one of those
Speaker 2: palms out there. Any place. Golf just about every.
Speaker 1: Day, God bless.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We used toll love playing golf together. He was not bad,
Speaker 1: not a bad golfer. As I remember what I know.
Speaker 1: You got hurt, didn't you quite badly on Titanic? That
Speaker 1: was I was one British actor in town at the time.
Speaker 1: Didn't get a bloody job on that film. Yeah that
Speaker 1: was when was that? That was ninety six, That was
Speaker 1: before I started Enterprise. Yeah, I get broke some ribs
Speaker 1: on that show. I was the first US stunt guy
Speaker 1: to get hurt on that.
Speaker 2: And the stunt guys, the paramedics on the show down
Speaker 2: there in Mexico we shot a rosarted beach weren't the best.
Speaker 2: They were not really qualified and we had some issues
Speaker 2: with me when they came to my rescue. And because
Speaker 2: of that, the stunt guys went on mute me and
Speaker 2: wouldn't work until we got idea of a paramedics from
Speaker 2: the US down there.
Speaker 1: What was the stunt that you got?
Speaker 2: Had it was one? It was? It was one of
Speaker 2: the crazy guys at the top of the I started
Speaker 2: at the top, you know, when it started to go
Speaker 2: up like that. We had it on a what do
Speaker 2: you call it? Oh, I'm trying to tall that kind
Speaker 2: of liked that, yeah, but there's another word for it.
Speaker 2: But anyways, it was on one of those pendulum things,
Speaker 2: was up like this, but we were doing slides in
Speaker 2: the beginning, so we're probably at seventeen degrees. That's what
Speaker 2: we rehearsed at and I was in control at seventeen.
Speaker 2: But while we were filming take four, somebody got on
Speaker 2: that Rhea stat and bumped it up a little bit
Speaker 2: too high. I don't know, I don't know who did it,
Speaker 2: but I wish I could. Anyways, eight people got hurt
Speaker 2: on that one take. So we got up a little
Speaker 2: too high and people were flying and I went into
Speaker 2: the pads. But a guy right behind me with his
Speaker 2: knee coming down at twenty five miles an hour, I
Speaker 2: was like this, he hit me right there, and I
Speaker 2: could hear him crack. Yeah, and then what was it?
Speaker 2: Was there? Then another guy came after him, so I
Speaker 2: was just double and deemity on my ribs. So it
Speaker 2: was bad. I was out for eight weeks. I don't
Speaker 2: wish ribs on anybody. You can't do anything.
Speaker 1: I broke ribs three years ago. I did. I fell
Speaker 1: in the bathroom here rescuing a spider from the ceiling.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it wasn't good.
Speaker 2: No, because you can't. You have to sleep at a
Speaker 2: forty five degree angle. You can't do anything, if you
Speaker 2: know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I mean you literally, I mean I'm lucky, man,
Speaker 1: I've got enough pillows in this house. Literally. And then
Speaker 1: I wore an airline, you know, neck brace around and
Speaker 1: that's how I tried to sleep for literally two months.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty grim as you as you can.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, no, it's not it's not good.
Speaker 1: Very painful. And I had a bruise the size of
Speaker 1: Alaska down the side that was just black and blue.
Speaker 1: And I would not be a stunt man. I have
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, if I snag a nail, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't like it.
Speaker 2: We don't like getting hurt because we want to work
Speaker 2: the next day. And but I will say this, I
Speaker 2: was thinking, you know, like I don't want to hit
Speaker 2: the ground now, concrete I hate, But back in my
Speaker 2: twenties and thirties, I loved it. I loved fighting, hitting
Speaker 2: the ground, doing, doing all that stuff I was. I
Speaker 2: had that. I guess I had that gene that that
Speaker 2: dad had. I had this, not recklessness, but this you know,
Speaker 2: running excitement and uh uh you know that exciting factor,
Speaker 2: that fear factor or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: fearlessness and yeah, and the applause as he was, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's great, and you know, getting this fifty
Speaker 2: year token, the gold yeah thing. It was my first
Speaker 2: ever ever standing ovation. I've never had the most amazing
Speaker 2: thing to be recognized for my work and to have
Speaker 2: people from the Academy all stand up, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it was Well, there.
Speaker 1: You're the first stunt killed and get this award on you.
Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing. It's amazing that you are the first.
Speaker 1: But it's you know, certainly applause for you.
Speaker 2: Oh and here's another one for you, Star Trek Enterprise.
Speaker 2: You got a nomination for Outstanding Stunt Coordination for the
Speaker 2: fourth fourth season.
Speaker 1: Simple we lost out to Deadwood, didn't we which.
Speaker 2: No it was, wasn't it Deadwood? No, it was the
Speaker 2: other one, the one that keeper was a Keeper souther
Speaker 2: one was going four. I think it was twenty four.
Speaker 2: I think it's twenty four.
Speaker 1: There was Borderland and Coal Station.
Speaker 2: You were able to put in two episodes, you because
Speaker 2: it was considered a two parter. But back then they're
Speaker 2: only allowing you one episode or a two partner. But
Speaker 2: that Star Trek is still the only one in the
Speaker 2: franchise Star Trek history that has been nominated for an
Speaker 2: Outstanding Stunt Coordination Emmy.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And another bit of trivia, your dad is one of
Speaker 1: five people that have been in the original series and
Speaker 1: Star Trek Enterprise. Look at that right.
Speaker 2: And then here he is on with the Shatner and
Speaker 2: Jeane Roddenberry's wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Majel Majel Barras.
Speaker 2: And he's the first first uh richert to get killed.
Speaker 2: I mean there's arguments that's a first or second, but
Speaker 2: if you look at most of the websites, he's the
Speaker 2: first red Shirt to get killed on start on that show.
Speaker 1: He started a craze.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, he doubled. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: ever watched any of the originals, but there was a
Speaker 2: one called Short Leave with Finnegan the Irish. Yeah, my
Speaker 2: dad doubled him on that for the fight between him
Speaker 2: and Shatner. He did it at Vasquez Rocks, right.
Speaker 1: That's that was the famous filming place. Yeah, the one
Speaker 1: of five. There's major Clint Howard who is Ron's brother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Joseph Resnick or something. Oh yeah, yeah, uh uh and
Speaker 1: Jack Donna who I don't know, but they were. They
Speaker 1: were in the original and our show. I want to
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Heat. Michael Mann's movie that had
Speaker 1: a boatload of stunts, so I'm sure did.
Speaker 2: I was the I don't know if you've probably yeah,
Speaker 2: you've seen the movie. But I'm the drive in driver
Speaker 2: at the Sentinel, a drive in that brings the money in.
Speaker 2: I'm in the white pickup truck and I pull up
Speaker 2: next to De Naro and I handled the money and
Speaker 2: there's that interaction and then the bad guy gets out
Speaker 2: with the gun and tries to shoot De Narrow and
Speaker 2: then Val Kilmer tries to shoot me, and the one
Speaker 2: that really gets me is Tom Sizemore at the end.
Speaker 2: But funny story on that. Michael Mann was the director
Speaker 2: and he had this huge crany with his camera up high,
Speaker 2: like two hundred feet and that starts the thing. So literally,
Speaker 2: there's only one car in the middle of the driving
Speaker 2: and that's Denial and he's already in the car sitting
Speaker 2: and here they wanted to do a rehearsals, so I
Speaker 2: come in nice and sow like man said, with my
Speaker 2: white pickup truck, come right up next to him, roll
Speaker 2: down the window and I look at him. I go Bob, Robert, Bobby,
Speaker 2: and he goes Bob and that broke the ice. And
Speaker 2: then that's how we had our nice little scene and
Speaker 2: get killed and I had to run in with Tom Sizemore.
Speaker 2: He got a little heated.
Speaker 4: A lot of folks you've had run into Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he get he was a little uh cranked up.
Speaker 1: Not just as an act road restless.
Speaker 3: I have a question for you, Vince, So as a
Speaker 3: stunt coordinator, how does this work in terms of shooting
Speaker 3: a shot? So I imagine as a coordinator you've got to
Speaker 3: have conversations pre shoot with the DP. You've got to
Speaker 3: have an idea about kind of every element that's going
Speaker 3: to be taking place in that scene to put your
Speaker 3: work into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all the prep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how does how does that go?
Speaker 2: Well? I got I started in with the production meetings
Speaker 2: where we have the scripts and we go page one,
Speaker 2: page two, we just talk about eat it. And when
Speaker 2: there's a sequence of action, I'll get all department hit
Speaker 2: heads involved in it, especially the ones that I need
Speaker 2: like a prop department or set decorating, you know, for breakaways,
Speaker 2: what have you, and special effects. And we'll just all
Speaker 2: have with these little side meetings after the production meeting,
Speaker 2: and then I'll try to work with Mary who's budgeting
Speaker 2: the show or outlining the show. I'll try and say, hey,
Speaker 2: can we put the action near the end, Especially if
Speaker 2: it's a big, big fight like Harbinger, I'll say, let's
Speaker 2: put that towards the end of the schedule if we can.
Speaker 2: Gives us more time to rehearse. And so it's all
Speaker 2: it's all in the prep. It's all in the breakdown.
Speaker 2: It's a there's a lot to it. Prep production meetings.
Speaker 2: You got to go to. You got to get your
Speaker 2: stunt guys. You got to make sure it's safe. You
Speaker 2: got to put in budget stunt budgets. You got to
Speaker 2: get together with Marvin, our Marvin Brush was our DP.
Speaker 2: We'd have a little talk a lot of times, though
Speaker 2: that guy is filming, so we didn't have that quality
Speaker 2: time until day of No.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, No, he wasn't. We had one day
Speaker 1: to rehearse the Harbinger. We have a long, twelve fourteen
Speaker 1: hour day. I remember one day, very long day until then,
Speaker 1: and then again at twelve fourteen hour day shooting it
Speaker 1: the fall the next day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got in there a day before you guys,
Speaker 2: just the doubles and just got stuff on camera, you know,
Speaker 2: with my video camera and just to get some because
Speaker 2: I would the fight started and worked its way from
Speaker 2: here all the way to there. So we had the
Speaker 2: beginning and and then walked with David Livingston I think
Speaker 2: it was our director on that episode. Yes, right, okay,
Speaker 2: so we go over that and then we just get
Speaker 2: his input and he'd say, yes, this is great, fantastic.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, can we add this or take that away?
Speaker 2: Can we spend a little bit of more time in year?
Speaker 2: So it's just fine tuning at that point and hopefully
Speaker 2: when you guys come in the next day, we're ready
Speaker 2: for you and we get that time to rehearse.
Speaker 3: And who determines who signs off on that is that
Speaker 3: you as the coordinator.
Speaker 4: Does it go upstairs? That's something like you videotape, Oh
Speaker 4: I see, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, A lot of times that show they didn't really
Speaker 2: sign off on it. They just would let me do
Speaker 2: what I wanted to do. It was pretty cool. Very
Speaker 2: few times I would rehearse things videotape them. This was
Speaker 2: we were using videotape back for rehearsals. But it never
Speaker 2: really went past for me to look at it night
Speaker 2: or you know, just to study with my doubles special effects.
Speaker 1: But yeah, did they approached you when they wanted you
Speaker 1: for the series.
Speaker 2: That's a great story. So I have to go back
Speaker 2: to mcgiver. Mary Howard was our second ad on that show.
Speaker 2: Mary Howard and Jerry Fleck. You remember Jerry Harry was
Speaker 2: the first day D, the last beautiful guy, so he
Speaker 2: was our first a D. Mary was there. So anyways,
Speaker 2: that ended in what ninety one? So all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: nine years later, I just lost a feature. I was
Speaker 2: up for a big feature at Universal and I lost it.
Speaker 2: I went in to meet the director, Levy. What's his name,
Speaker 2: Levy first name. He's been very popular director now he
Speaker 2: does a lot of stuff, lost the gigs. I'm driving
Speaker 2: my kids to school one morning and I'm going, God,
Speaker 2: I lost a summer job and I was going to
Speaker 2: be three months of work at Universal, And all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I hear on the radio on kN X,
Speaker 2: Hey they're doing a spin off another Star Trek series,
Speaker 2: and they didn't call it Enterprise, and they didn't call
Speaker 2: it anything. And I said, ooh to myself, the thing
Speaker 2: I'll see. I know Mary and Jerry work on it.
Speaker 2: I'll send a resume and a little note to them saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I hear you got this new show. If I see
Speaker 2: there was a coordinator on the other ones. But I
Speaker 2: thought they were going to do two at the same time.
Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be like another like two
Speaker 2: shows I did DS nine and Voyager. So I set
Speaker 2: it up and nothing nothing for two months, month and
Speaker 2: a half, two months, not a thing, And then a
Speaker 2: of a sudden, my daughter says, hey, you got a
Speaker 2: phone call. I didn't hear that. I was outside watching
Speaker 2: my car. Mary stayed on the phone ten minutes waiting
Speaker 2: for me to come in because she hit tariff. Went
Speaker 2: outside again, said hey, Mary Howard is still on the
Speaker 2: phone for you. I said, how long has that been?
Speaker 2: She said at least ten minutes. Oh no, she didn't
Speaker 2: hang up. If she had hung up, that would have been.
Speaker 1: It always guys, Marry how It doesn't wait ten minutes
Speaker 1: on the phone for many.
Speaker 2: People, but she did for me, And so I went
Speaker 2: in there and I was supposed to meet with Rick
Speaker 2: Berman and Brandon Braga. She said, I'll be right back
Speaker 2: and I'm going to bring them over to meet you.
Speaker 2: And she came back ten minutes later, and she said,
Speaker 2: they said, just hire them. And so I gave her
Speaker 2: a big hug and I said, I'm so thrilled. I'm happy,
Speaker 2: and and I was only they put me on the
Speaker 2: pilot and then they were going to put me on
Speaker 2: as needed, like a daily here and there, daily there,
Speaker 2: And I said I can't do it. I said, you
Speaker 2: need me here all the time. You got to put
Speaker 2: me on a weekly got it. So it was a nice,
Speaker 2: nice run the whole four year.
Speaker 1: Do you have an agent? Do some people having some of.
Speaker 2: The big big wigs, the big guys they do now,
Speaker 2: the ones that are doing feature after feature, they have agents.
Speaker 2: I don't. I've never had one. I had a commercial agent,
Speaker 2: did a lot of commercials back in the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You and your BMW. Yeah the BMW.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My Instagram is so much fun. It's got some
Speaker 2: fun stuff on it.
Speaker 4: I scrolled the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Oh great, not only this.
Speaker 4: Vince one.
Speaker 3: You know what, There are times when you come across someone,
Speaker 3: I mean and you know, I know you, I don't
Speaker 3: know you very well.
Speaker 2: We gotta we gotta get to know each other quite
Speaker 2: well when we're in Vegas. Yes, I'm going.
Speaker 1: To argue that.
Speaker 4: By the way, your Instagram is so extraordinary.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you know you how you express the
Speaker 3: passing of friends that you've worked with and yeah own
Speaker 3: and then your pride in your your children and having
Speaker 3: a grand baby, and the way in which you.
Speaker 4: Express yourself. I have to say, man, it gave me like, yeah, awesome,
Speaker 4: You're a you know what, You're a good human.
Speaker 2: I am a good human. Yeah, I am good? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I remember. I mean we were working with you. It
Speaker 1: was always a joy. Do you remember the time the
Speaker 1: three of us, me, Conor and Anthony, we went around
Speaker 1: your place to talk about doing it in the backyard.
Speaker 1: You told us how to repel.
Speaker 2: Oh did we wait? Do it? So we went up
Speaker 2: to the mountains. Yeah you have?
Speaker 1: Didn't you have? Didn't We go to your place and
Speaker 1: you had some sort of you know, scaffolding structure.
Speaker 2: That it was a friend of mine, was it? We met?
Speaker 2: I think we started to meet over there. Then we
Speaker 2: went to the uh to Stony Point to do our.
Speaker 4: Repelly right, like eighteen.
Speaker 2: It's like out there, that's where Charlie Manson used to
Speaker 2: hang out. Yes, no kidding, Yeah, a lot of story,
Speaker 2: a lot of skeletons there. But I have all the
Speaker 2: video from that. You'd love to see it. I got
Speaker 2: all the behind the scenes of you coming down doing
Speaker 2: the repelling and oh.
Speaker 1: Well you'll have to. I'm going to get Sarah to
Speaker 1: get in touch.
Speaker 2: My wife.
Speaker 1: Reddit's these things. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll put some of
Speaker 1: that stuff in.
Speaker 2: We all love it. A little bit more of a lane.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. Stop there, Anthony looking this way,
Speaker 2: looking there? Okay, good and then exit. Boy, you picked
Speaker 2: this up pretty quick. Now you got a big outcropping here.
Speaker 2: Take your time, take your time, take your time.
Speaker 3: You can do it.
Speaker 2: God, take your time. Yeah that's good.
Speaker 4: That next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole new deal.
Speaker 3: You told me this very early on, because you know,
Speaker 3: we got into the show. We're all young, fit having
Speaker 3: a great time, and I was like, I want to
Speaker 3: do all my stunts.
Speaker 4: I don't care. I want to do all my stunts.
Speaker 3: And then one day I forget it was early episode
Speaker 3: and you walked up to me and you were like,
Speaker 3: I think that's fantastic that you want to do this,
Speaker 3: and you should do whatever you want.
Speaker 4: But I just want to.
Speaker 3: Tell you something that if you do a stunt, my
Speaker 3: stunt guy doesn't get paid. And I was like, well
Speaker 3: done done. Yeah, I'm not going to waste anybody's time.
Speaker 3: Let let's get the work. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 3: don't just sit there. You're there for a reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had to get my ego shifted in a way
Speaker 3: specifically about you know, like being on a new show
Speaker 3: and all that. And I learned that was such a
Speaker 3: great lesson that you talked to me, and I've used
Speaker 3: that forever.
Speaker 2: One of the things one of the things I've learned
Speaker 2: real quick over the years with all with actors is
Speaker 2: that they do they want to do as much as
Speaker 2: they can and I and I also tell them and
Speaker 2: I may have told you this too. The thing is
Speaker 2: I have to I have to be the bad guy
Speaker 2: sometimes to say no, you're not doing this because uh not,
Speaker 2: you may be able to do it, but what if
Speaker 2: you What if you or that person gets really hurt
Speaker 2: and we're down and we're down, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: take the hit for that because I've got I was
Speaker 2: the one that agreed to let that person do it,
Speaker 2: and so I have to I have to weigh that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the things that always scared me were the fights.
Speaker 2: The fights always scared me because of the punches. I
Speaker 2: can't I The thing is, I couldn't get in there
Speaker 2: fast enough to stop a punch of somebody leaned into one,
Speaker 2: Like what happened to you with your head butt? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know I could. There's no way I can get
Speaker 2: to you. So those kinds of fights are frightening because
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't think about that, but
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, you take a hit like that
Speaker 2: like I took from my dad, and that wasn't even
Speaker 2: at full speed.
Speaker 3: I mean, to your point, the reality is is like
Speaker 3: you know, that night we were doing something and a
Speaker 3: guy who was I forget his name's uh stunting for
Speaker 3: uh John.
Speaker 4: You know, there's the thing.
Speaker 3: You can see it, you can tell, you know exactly
Speaker 3: what's going on because it's a choreography.
Speaker 4: You can tell when somebody's eyes disappear. Yes, and he.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened the distance whatever he had
Speaker 3: the helmet on, yeah, and looked at me because you know,
Speaker 3: you can't head some head butt somebody with your arms
Speaker 3: straight out locked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he did and.
Speaker 3: He went in and but and the truth and the
Speaker 3: reality is is that, yeah, I mean whatever, I got
Speaker 3: three stitches.
Speaker 4: Who cares? But it eight hours?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember when we did the big fight with Steve Culpringer,
Speaker 1: Am I right in saying? Because I was looking this
Speaker 1: up and I didn't see it nosed anywhere. I remember
Speaker 1: you coming to me and giving me a Stunt Association cap,
Speaker 1: which I still very proudly have. And I think I
Speaker 1: remember you telling me that that year we lost out
Speaker 1: at the I guess the NATAS Awards. We came second
Speaker 1: for that fight. Coordination to the Bourne identity is that?
Speaker 2: Okay, I remember something like that. I'm trying to go
Speaker 2: back and that's right, Okay, a great fight.
Speaker 1: But I remember Steve culp had had taken one on
Speaker 1: the chin in a fight not too long before. Really,
Speaker 1: wasn't he.
Speaker 2: He was very gun shy, yes, because and he kept
Speaker 2: talking me every time he'd come back we had fights.
Speaker 2: He would say, I just want to you know, remember
Speaker 2: I got hit by a stunt guy on another show,
Speaker 2: and I just want to make sure we're good and
Speaker 2: I said, we'll be good.
Speaker 1: But the hell of a fight. My who was my guy?
Speaker 1: Marm Martin Murray, Martin Murray, he really made me look good.
Speaker 2: Lately, I don't know where he is he.
Speaker 1: I remember in and off when we were off season
Speaker 1: he went on doubled Taby McGuire Sea Biscuit. He was
Speaker 1: as tough as nails. Marty Murray.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was broke.
Speaker 1: I think every rib in his body. A horse kicked him.
Speaker 1: Not really beat up, he got thoroughly beat up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was a lovely chat. Is he still still around?
Speaker 1: Is he?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him in a long time, so it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. He might be. A lot of shows
Speaker 2: are now in Atlanta, so there's a lot of guys
Speaker 2: there now in Atlanta, I think in an How we're
Speaker 2: still in Vancouver again and uh with the Toronto so
Speaker 2: we're kind of spread out. I got one Do you
Speaker 2: remember this thing? Do you remember these?
Speaker 1: I half remember that. What is that? Is that like
Speaker 1: a grenade thing? We had?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Those are the manes. I got one of these.
Speaker 2: They gave me one of these. And I don't even
Speaker 2: know if this works. I hope, but yeah, no, it's
Speaker 2: and then Uh, I'll just real quick what I got you.
Speaker 2: I was looking at some pictures the first you know,
Speaker 2: when we had to get doubles for everybody the first season.
Speaker 2: This week when you guys were there, I had polaroids, gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, am I doing that?
Speaker 2: And then there's uh Connor, these are these.
Speaker 4: Are like Now, I gotta tell you, that's what that
Speaker 4: young man watched. I watched the dailies so that I
Speaker 4: do moves like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good times.
Speaker 1: He loved a bit of hands on hip acting. He did.
Speaker 1: He did better good hands on hip act. What's what
Speaker 1: is the workload like when you're when you're responsible for
Speaker 1: a series like Enterprise? I mean, is it is it intense?
Speaker 2: I mean it is because anything can happen. Anything, Anything
Speaker 2: can happen, like an accident in a serious one or
Speaker 2: something that effects that's too big, you know, if I'm
Speaker 2: pretty did.
Speaker 1: Anyone get hurt that we can recall on our show?
Speaker 2: The knocked out one guy at the very end of
Speaker 2: the last season, one of my stunt guys, and it
Speaker 2: was a it was a weird and this is what happened.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't have happened, but because he was wearing a
Speaker 2: wig that went down. He played some kind of alien
Speaker 2: that had a wig that went way down past his butt.
Speaker 2: And you know all the remember all the cable polls
Speaker 2: we used to do where people fly back in the air. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: when they land, a lot of times they land on
Speaker 2: their butt first and then scrap a on the ground. Well,
Speaker 2: what happened with him when he got pulled back? His
Speaker 2: wig was down low and when he landed on his butt,
Speaker 2: he caught that wig and then that just did that
Speaker 2: to us net and knocked him out. And well, sad
Speaker 2: about it when he came to. I mean, we laugh
Speaker 2: about it now. But when he came to, he just
Speaker 2: got married. He had a big honeymoon and everything. And
Speaker 2: when he woke up and we finally got him to
Speaker 2: wake up, hey how are you doing okay? And we
Speaker 2: talked about remember your wedding. You were talking about what wedding?
Speaker 2: He didn't he didn't know wedding, the honeymoon, And that's
Speaker 2: what happens a lot of times when you get knocked out.
Speaker 2: That's happened to me, and so it finally it came back.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3: What is there any point where like you know, for instance,
Speaker 3: we're talking in the beginning of this about like you know,
Speaker 3: eighty foot waterfall.
Speaker 4: We're both going to jump off the side. What do
Speaker 4: you do? You ever say no, Yes, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah you do, do not many times, or or I'll
Speaker 2: have to change it. But there's been times I walked away, Well,
Speaker 2: I walked away from a show because it was just
Speaker 2: not up to part. It was not a safe show.
Speaker 2: And I was back in the eighties. Uh, well it
Speaker 2: was just before mcguiver, that's right, because right after that
Speaker 2: I got to I got the call for mcguiver. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I was running the show and it was not safe.
Speaker 2: The effects guys weren't doing a good job, and and
Speaker 2: uh somebody got fell down, got hurt. Not bad, but
Speaker 2: I could see the writing on the wall that was
Speaker 2: not This was not one of those warm and friendly,
Speaker 2: uh cozy feels. And I can feel that, I can
Speaker 2: feel the energy of a crew and uh and if
Speaker 2: I if there's a bad crew, I don't want to
Speaker 2: be a part of that. But usually guys like Mary
Speaker 2: and Brad they've crew up so nicely and they're they're
Speaker 2: responsible for good crews, and most up ms and ads
Speaker 2: and and producers will crew a good crew put.
Speaker 1: You on the spot. But can you sort of you know,
Speaker 1: let's talk about rust for instance. Oh, that's sort of
Speaker 1: I mean that should not happen in this day and age.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't I mean, no.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't have happened. You know. Uh, I can't how
Speaker 2: many times I've been shot at and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: with blanks. But there's there's rules. There's rules where you
Speaker 2: don't point when you're that close. I forget what the
Speaker 2: limit is. I think it's like eight or ten feet
Speaker 2: or something like that. And a lot of times you
Speaker 2: can change it with you know, you can change it
Speaker 2: with the camera position to make it look like you're
Speaker 2: pointing at somebody, but you're actually pointing to the right
Speaker 2: of that person. That person was too close. And and
Speaker 2: then oh my god. Yeah there was a live round
Speaker 2: in there. Oh my god. And see this was the
Speaker 2: this was a perfect store. This was a low budget show,
Speaker 2: and they were working long hours. Some people were working
Speaker 2: multiple jobs. The armor was also the prop person. So
Speaker 2: there was just so much going on. And that's one
Speaker 2: of those bad juju shows you don't want to be.
Speaker 2: And that's what happened that poor girl, she was a young.
Speaker 1: Girl, wasn't she. Yeah. The van that she was working
Speaker 1: out of had live Ammo in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know, on a set, I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how many time have been I've had. You know, you
Speaker 2: just you just uh, what's the word I want to use? Uh,
Speaker 2: you're when you're getting shot at and the facts man
Speaker 2: and the prop guy says, okay, these are blanks. You
Speaker 2: you you know you were with him. You know you
Speaker 2: have a look, Yeah you look, but you you honor
Speaker 2: what he's saying.
Speaker 1: And you know these shows I've worked on where I've
Speaker 1: had to shoot a gun or someone shot at me.
Speaker 1: You everything stops, Yeah, and you know you shut up
Speaker 1: and listen.
Speaker 2: So he's we had three people get killed by these things. Brandon, uh, Brandon, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Bruce Friendly And then we had another guy where I
Speaker 2: can't remember Dave. It was a nice good looking actor
Speaker 2: over Fox Studios.
Speaker 4: Uh Girl, the show is cover Girl Girl.
Speaker 2: Eric Hexham. Yeah, he had a revolver and he was
Speaker 2: just dicking around, I guess, and there was he did
Speaker 2: this to the gun and put it there and clicked
Speaker 2: it and had a it had had a uh I
Speaker 2: think it probably a full load in there. You know,
Speaker 2: it went that load. You know, it takes that stuff
Speaker 2: right out. Well, even if Blake will kill you, it
Speaker 2: went right to the other side of his brain right,
Speaker 2: very very sad.
Speaker 3: Have there been scenarios where you have said, uh, no,
Speaker 3: it's not working or not doing it.
Speaker 2: Yes, already mcgiver a couple of times. Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was bad communication. We had a deal where it was
Speaker 2: a winter scene. We had a huge toboggan full of gold,
Speaker 2: the big gold bricks, and we were supposed to make
Speaker 2: them out of like balsa wood or some kind of
Speaker 2: light product, and they made it out of this wood
Speaker 2: material that's denser than wood and heavy. And so when
Speaker 2: they had these four hundred bricks on this toboggan and
Speaker 2: people had to be standing watching it at them from
Speaker 2: one hundred feet, Uh, that was a death trap. I mean,
Speaker 2: way too heavy the weapon. Uh. And uh. We get
Speaker 2: out there to shoot it and I see it and
Speaker 2: it looks beautiful. I said, oh great. I picked one
Speaker 2: up and I go, wait a minute. We had a
Speaker 2: discussion about this. These were supposed to be ten percent
Speaker 2: this weight. Oh well, I didn't get the note or
Speaker 2: whatever it was, so I said, well, we're not doing
Speaker 2: We canceled. We canceled that shot, which was a big cancel.
Speaker 2: It was a big cancer. But because we had three
Speaker 2: people that had to dive out of the way at
Speaker 2: the last minute if they got hit by that, you
Speaker 2: know one.
Speaker 4: And they had they'll kill you killed them.
Speaker 2: So one of that was one of them. I probably
Speaker 2: had a few more in there. But you have to
Speaker 2: be you have a lot.
Speaker 1: Of pushback from producers when you when you start waiving
Speaker 1: the safety flag.
Speaker 2: Not much back in the day. And you know, back
Speaker 2: before we had safety meetings, it was a it was
Speaker 2: a different life back then in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 2: Uh today the first a d and the stuff coordinator.
Speaker 2: I mean we have I worked on a Naked Gun
Speaker 2: the movie just last year, and uhafety one safety meetings
Speaker 2: we had boom boom, boom boom. I mean, they're just
Speaker 2: they take up so much time. But it's but they
Speaker 2: do now. We didn't have those back in the day.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't remember safety meetings until like maybe
Speaker 2: mid nineties. Yeah, and so how would that.
Speaker 4: Work then, like would there you know, coordinators then have to.
Speaker 3: Be very very keen and very good and very specific
Speaker 3: about what was safe or not right, because you know,
Speaker 3: you don't hear a lot about people dying on sets,
Speaker 3: but you're saying back in the day, there wasn't any
Speaker 3: meeting at all.
Speaker 2: No, not really, not if I if I can recall,
Speaker 2: I mean, we might have like a small group, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't the whole. It wasn't bringing everybody over so
Speaker 2: everb had ears on it. It wasn't like that. And
Speaker 2: uh and sometimes that communicator, you know, because communication is paramount.
Speaker 2: That's that's the whole deal. If you don't have that,
Speaker 2: you don't have a you have unsafe conditions. And that's
Speaker 2: why it's so important today. The more communication you have,
Speaker 2: the more knowledge. Knowledge is power.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you think about like the.
Speaker 3: Well, the greatest I think sort of pursuit scene is
Speaker 3: from the French Connection, you know, and all that stuff
Speaker 3: in Queens and Brooklyn and stuff.
Speaker 4: You're saying that there was they're just sort of flying
Speaker 4: on the seat of their pants.
Speaker 2: No. No, they would have their own meetings, you know,
Speaker 2: they'd have traffic crowd control, traffic control, they'd have cops,
Speaker 2: not as many as they do now, but they would
Speaker 2: sometimes Back those those days, I know I did it.
Speaker 2: We'd steal shots. We was meeting, we would go to
Speaker 2: locations where we didn't have a permit and get up
Speaker 2: a dry real fast. And now today today that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2: There's too much going on. But you know, it was
Speaker 2: a it was a different it was a different time.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I go all the way back to six million
Speaker 2: dollars Man. I was the stand in for le majors
Speaker 2: on that we. I don't remember. Are we any any
Speaker 2: safety meetings? I mean very they weren't. They weren't anything
Speaker 2: like the art today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember your first ever stunt?
Speaker 2: Yes? I was. I talked about it when I, uh,
Speaker 2: I got my fifty year thing. I said, one of
Speaker 2: my first stunts was on six million dollars Man, where
Speaker 2: I'm playing a guy at a computer and the computer
Speaker 2: falls on me and crushes me because they said, back
Speaker 2: then the computers were the size of refrigerators. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that whole thing came right down on me, and you know,
Speaker 2: everybody clapped, they loved it. I mean it was a big,
Speaker 2: massive thing and it was pretty heavy.
Speaker 1: Was it was it actually a computer or did they know?
Speaker 2: Lights? All the lights, but all the gu on the
Speaker 2: back back then that all that hardware was heavy like a.
Speaker 1: Filing cabinet coming down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I'm talking about like a refrigerator definitely bigger
Speaker 2: than me. Kidding, but that was one of my first
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I did a few stunts on that show.
Speaker 2: But the big the best show I had when my
Speaker 2: early twenties was a show called Hardy Boys where I
Speaker 2: doubled the read Parker Stevenson on that and we shot
Speaker 2: a lot in a back lot of Universal Studios.
Speaker 1: So the Western, Yeah, boys were they? Was that in
Speaker 1: the Western?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, It's It's the It's the Heart.
Speaker 2: Was a detective show back in the back in seventy seven,
Speaker 2: seventy eight, And these kids were I Sean Cassidy. You
Speaker 2: ever heard of him? Sure, Sean was really popular back then.
Speaker 2: He was a singer and what have you. Parker was
Speaker 2: still he was good looking and all the girls just
Speaker 2: love these two. And so when they took the trams
Speaker 2: back the Universal trams back in the day, they trams
Speaker 2: that could go anywhere in the back of lot, and
Speaker 2: we were always filming there. So the double Bill and
Speaker 2: I would be dressed up like Parker and we looked
Speaker 2: like Parker and Sean. We'd come out and we'd look around,
Speaker 2: hi girls, and then they jump out of the trams
Speaker 2: and try and chase that run after us.
Speaker 3: We'd hide at the back of Since you have good
Speaker 3: hair now, but I saw that picture of you and
Speaker 3: Parker Stevenson.
Speaker 4: Yeah you had.
Speaker 2: I think, I think that's a way, but I can't remember. Oh,
Speaker 2: really it might have been away. That's a lot of hair.
Speaker 1: Well. I was going to say, you have got very
Speaker 1: good hairs. Still, man, I mean, what are you? Are
Speaker 1: you seventies something seventy one? Oh, bless man, I know.
Speaker 2: It's I mean amazing. I was when we did Star Trek,
Speaker 2: I was wet in my mid forties, mid mid to
Speaker 2: eight I think, no even no, yes, was it five
Speaker 2: years ago? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Midway bang stunt told you doubled for Scott? Was that?
Speaker 1: Was that a sort of extra job as it?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, that was a beautiful guy. Get another contract?
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: And then when I doubled Fox, I was. I doubled
Speaker 2: John quite a bit, Oh, I was. I was. I
Speaker 2: didn't have an agent, so I had to take care
Speaker 2: of myself. So yeah, I got the weekly I got
Speaker 2: every time I doubled Scott, I got a daily, got
Speaker 2: a daily for John and it was great. Sometimes those that,
Speaker 2: especially in a double John, the overtime was insane with
Speaker 2: all that, you know, got all to get up. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Had you ever worked with Scott before?
Speaker 2: I had never worked with him. Never, No, And and
Speaker 2: I knew he had a double. Diamond was his double
Speaker 2: from way back when? And and I said, And he asked,
Speaker 2: and I said, I said, look, I don't know who
Speaker 2: you want diamond. If I can reach out to, he said,
Speaker 2: let's try and get Diamond. But Diamond was still on
Speaker 2: n CIS at the time, so he had dimes. Said hey,
Speaker 2: you doubled, And I said, great, sure double yeah, bing
Speaker 2: ch chin cheat, Yeah. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4: It was a good guy.
Speaker 2: It was a great show. And you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever seen it, but I put together
Speaker 2: a couple of highlight reels you know that I showed
Speaker 2: at the wrap parties. I don't know if you ever
Speaker 2: saw them, but they're really, really nice. But it's a
Speaker 2: great I have a great one and then the other
Speaker 2: one I have that I want to kind of keep under.
Speaker 2: I want to I want I don't want it to
Speaker 2: get out too much, but I it's the cast and
Speaker 2: crew music video that I put together. You guys were
Speaker 2: in it. By the way, I don't know if you
Speaker 2: remember that one where I remember, uh, Marvin Day when
Speaker 2: he's saying that song, got to give it up? You
Speaker 2: know that that dance, that party song. I use that.
Speaker 2: And I got everybody on video throughout a couple three
Speaker 2: weeks with my little video camera, turned on my little
Speaker 2: caissette recorder and got people to do a little you know,
Speaker 2: little dance, little movement, and I put it into a
Speaker 2: nice five minute music video and it was the highlight
Speaker 2: of the rap party. They showed it at the season
Speaker 2: four finale Rap part. It was the first video they showed.
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, it's great. You're in it. You're you all.
Speaker 2: It was hard getting all of you together because you
Speaker 2: were you know you. It was crazy. You're always you're
Speaker 2: always filming or whatever, and there's no time. So I
Speaker 2: finally said that Marvin and Brad Brad, I gotta get this,
Speaker 2: got to get either. And so we got you all
Speaker 2: at the in the crew room there or whatever the
Speaker 2: ship and all of you dancing on the bridge. On
Speaker 2: the bridge.
Speaker 1: I'm so you did you did?
Speaker 2: You jumped on you did a some sideways stuff too.
Speaker 2: Pretty good.
Speaker 1: They were fun years.
Speaker 2: What they made, they were great years. I like I say,
Speaker 2: Paramount is my favorite studio. Uh, you know, I did
Speaker 2: a lot of shows there, a lot of shows. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to go back there in a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks to meet up with a producer that just have lunch.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have lunch. And she wants to hear the
Speaker 2: Deadrick tour because I have a tour.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 2: I have different areas, you know, Happy Days and Star
Speaker 2: Trek Original Star Trek. I have other shows that I did.
Speaker 2: There a lot of shows and so you know, little moments.
Speaker 1: So my wife and I we just watched she'd never
Speaker 1: seen Sunset Boulevard and we just watched that the other
Speaker 1: Nyew just it is there, it is, I mean, where
Speaker 1: William Holden goes to see the girl to do the
Speaker 1: writing at night. That was right above my trailer, right
Speaker 1: above trailers there. It was amazing, she says, Reader's department.
Speaker 2: I remember my walls were covered with black pat letter.
Speaker 1: Y there it was.
Speaker 2: Was it on eighteen or was it eight and nine?
Speaker 1: Was it was that was above eight and nine?
Speaker 2: That she comes down the stairs right yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And uh and then she goes to see cecilb de
Speaker 1: Mill on stage eighteen and there it is. It's like, wow,
Speaker 1: where's mister Mill shooting?
Speaker 2: J and Misssbond. I know there's so much history there.
Speaker 1: Got to pinch yourself. You really do?
Speaker 2: You do? You do? We had a really bad rainstorm
Speaker 2: one year at stage of eight nine. We were underneath
Speaker 2: there was reading profusely, nobody was moving and I looked
Speaker 2: over at the drain with all the water coming out
Speaker 2: from up high, and I went to read at the
Speaker 2: edge of the drain, I see something shiny, like copper, shiny,
Speaker 2: and I picked it up and it was a nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty two penny. Shut up, sweet, I still have it.
Speaker 2: It's in my Yeah, that's awes. So, you know, some
Speaker 2: rep or somebody maybe she had it up there. I
Speaker 2: don't know what year she did that, A lucky penny,
Speaker 2: yeah thirty.
Speaker 1: Well it's but absolute joy seeing you again, mate, and yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show and showing some stories.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I hope to see both
Speaker 2: of you in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Well, well, definitely, we'll have a little drink together. And
Speaker 1: are you going for how many days? Are you going?
Speaker 2: Full? I'm gonna go Thursday I'll be there Thursday evening.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'll sign, but i'll be there Friday,
Speaker 2: all Friday and all Saturday. Okay, I'm going to some
Speaker 2: party you guys are having Saturday night.
Speaker 1: Who's hosting? Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it one of John's you know, Ryan p Husk? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: something about a party.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see you in person. It's so
Speaker 4: great to see your face. Yeah, it's good to see
Speaker 4: you guys, and it's really nice.
Speaker 2: I had enjoyable time talking to you guys, and you know,
Speaker 2: after all these years, it's it's really it's warm and friendly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, mane, I gotta say, I mean, how are
Speaker 1: you feeling?
Speaker 2: I feel good? Is okay? I do have mekey issues.
Speaker 2: They're getting worse. That's bad because I sometimes I have
Speaker 2: to turn like this my back lower back. But my
Speaker 2: knees are great. My knees are good. You know, discocated
Speaker 2: this twice the shoulder. I've had some head hits, some
Speaker 2: pretty serious head the hats over the years, one where I.
Speaker 1: Had an MRI scan to check that you know, everything's
Speaker 1: all rising there.
Speaker 2: In the brain. No, I probably do. My wife keeps
Speaker 2: telling me I do, because skip it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I had some. I won't go into that. I did
Speaker 2: get hurt on the show and I hurt my kidney
Speaker 2: real bad and they had to do MRI or whatever
Speaker 2: you call it on my on my back side here,
Speaker 2: and he couldn't believe my back. He said, wow, that's
Speaker 2: a nice roadman. Yeah. Yeah, you've seen some backs. And
Speaker 2: I've been beat up pretty good. But I've been very seriously,
Speaker 2: guys have been very very fortunate, very lucky. I've never
Speaker 2: really spent many many I don't think i've spent the
Speaker 2: night I.
Speaker 1: Think I saw and as you say that, you've never
Speaker 1: spent a nice and no, I've been there, admits it.
Speaker 1: But let go that day.
Speaker 2: I love that right, Yeah, god bless man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to see you in Vegas and
Speaker 1: we'll raise a glass.
Speaker 2: Somehow. I'll fight, fight, I'll text you, I get you.
Speaker 1: Guys, Conor, and I'll try so. You know, the two
Speaker 1: saddest words in Hollywood are what party?
Speaker 2: We'll see you there? Yeah, thank you, thank you much.
Speaker 1: Listen up, boy.
Speaker 3: Boy boy
Speaker 2: Boy on