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Speaker 6: Cr welcome everybody, here we go. It is that time again.
Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios
of wm NH ninety five point three FM, Inglorious, Manchester,
New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream the show from anywhere.
Go to Matt connorton dot com slash live for all
your live streaming options, social media links, contact info show archives,
et cetera, et cetera. Today is a Saturday, October eleven,
twenty twenty five. Welcome everybody. I am flying solo this morning,
although I do see Jenny in the chat room, but
she had a very very busy week. So if you
don't follow Jenny online, you definitely should. She's been up
to some good stuff, but a very busy and exhausting week.
So so she's at home, but she is in the
chat room. But check out our website Jencoffee dot com
for more information on everything that she does. We won't
get into it all here, but and follow her on
social media. And there's some some really really cool stuff
coming too. Actually, there's something big coming. I don't think
she said anything about it publicly yet though, but anyway,
just keep keep your eye on Jenny. She's doing some
really good stuff. I also see Loud Entertainment in there,
and Texas Mic is in there. Good morning, guys. In
the in the chat room, let's see so oh, by
the way, the song that I opened with that was
Beautiful Nightmare by Chasing the Devil. So the reason I
played that is so this morning I was picking out
a shirt to wear. I always like to wear a
shirt of one of the artists who has been on
the show, supports the show, et cetera. And I was like, oh,
I haven't worn the Chasing the Devil shirt in a while.
And then on my way in, I was thinking, you know,
Beautiful Nightmare, which was the first their first single that
they put out. Then they've put out several, but I
love that song.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: They we did the world radio premiere that track right
here on Matt connorton Unleashed here at WM and H
and I listen to that now and I still love
it as much as the first time I heard it.
It's so good. So I was like, oh, why don't
I open with that today? That'd be a good way
to open, good higher energy song. I'm a little tired,
so I had a busy week myself, so good do
good to have something high energy to open with. But
such a great song. And I think they're working on
more stuff too, so Chasing the Devil check them out.
And Jenny and I do run into Jay Bellow from
Chasing the Devil occasionally at Market Basket in Bedford. We
just happened to run into him there, so so that's
kind of funny. So I figured i'd open with that,
but we do have we do have some other music
coming up today on the show. Of course, in just
a few minutes, I'm gonna be talking with Jack Body
from the band Pacific A's we had we did the
world radio premiere, or it might have been the American
radio premiere. I might have already been played in the UK.
But another great UK artist at our friends from big
gspr over there send us and the new single short Life,
which is great. So we're gonna play that in just
a couple of minutes, and then we're gonna have Jack
on with us via WhatsApp to talk to him, and
at the end of that segment, we're gonna play one
of his earlier singles too that I really really like,
called wander Lust, which is so good. So we're gonna
be talking with Jack from Pacific Aays in just a
couple of minutes at nine to fifteen am in the
Eastern time zone depending on where you're listening from. And
let's see then in the second hour, in the second hour,
we have Kyle Gordon who has a great song called
She Chose Me and we did the uh we did
the world radio premiere for that here on Matt Connorton
Unleashed and I love that song so much, so we're
gonna play that again in the second hour, and then
we're gonna talk to Kyle. Looking forward to that. And
then in the third hour, the band Benthic Realm is
gonna be joining us live in studio if you're not
familiar with them, really really good and I think they're
gonna play live, So I've got some extra microphones ready,
so really looking forward to that. So we've got another
busy show, an exciting show for you. Uh, let's see.
So in just a couple of minutes, I'm gonna play
that track short Life by Pacific Gays, and then we'll
get Jack on the phone. Also, if you're a long
time listener of the show, you probably know this, or
if you know me, you know this about me. My
favorite band is Kiss. And I'm getting a little nervous
because just in the past week, so Ace Frehley, who
has not been in the band for a long time,
apparently has had a stroke. So that's, uh, that's disconcerting.
And uh and Gene Simmons a couple of days ago,
apparently he's fine. But Gene Simmons actually had an accident.
I guess he lost consciousness while driving. So just uh,
a couple of couple of very uh, very precarious things there.
But let's see we have a call. Wow, let's see
who's online. Hi, welcome to Matt Conerton on non leash
do this, Oh.
Speaker 8: On map, this is Jane Simmons of Kiss.
Speaker 6: Gene Simmons of Kiss. Oh my goodness, I'm so relieved
to hear from you. I've been worried about you. You
had that terrible accident. You apparently lost consciousness and crashed
into something. Uh are you okay?
Speaker 8: I don't know, Matt, you tell me, am I okay.
Speaker 6: Well you sound great. I mean you sound very normal,
Gene Simmons of Kiss. You sound like you always do well,
although then again I don't know much how you sound
these days. You used to call the show all the
time when we were on afternoons, and now I hardly
ever hear from you.
Speaker 8: Well not, you know, I do sleep in on Saturday mornings.
I'm a musician.
Speaker 6: I didn't think you ever slept, Gene Simmons of Kiss.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's a it's a good substitute. That's sleep for
the bourbon that I don't drink anymore.
Speaker 6: That's right. Well you never you never were a drinker,
which I commend you for that.
Speaker 8: Oh you say so, you say, well no, I.
Speaker 6: Mean that's more acist thing. But uh yeah, So how
are you doing? Are you doing? You're doing okay?
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: I was very concerned. I thought maybe a heart issue
or something. I know you have apheb. I didn't know
if that may be cause you to lose consciousness while driving.
Speaker 8: It's funny, I do have a feb mat. But the
thing is is, whenever I turn on one of my
Kiss albums, yes, my heart just beats right to the rhythm.
Speaker 6: No kidding, even the elder.
Speaker 8: That's right.
Speaker 6: Well that's amazing. Well that's exciting. Gene Simmons of Kiss.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 8: And I'm calling you this morning because I decided to
get up early, whip up some pancakes and listening to
my favorite radio show host ever.
Speaker 6: To think of, Gene Simmons of Kiss, listening to my
show and making pancakes gives me a boundless joy. I
must tell you.
Speaker 8: Yes, and one more thing, Matt, before I go and
let you continue with your fabulous radio show.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 8: Yes, Uh screw Ice, really forget him.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: Wow, I know you don't always get along, but all right, well,
we hope that Ace recovers. I hope that Ace recovers
y so.
Speaker 8: I do too, math, But if he doesn't, you know,
that's just the way everything was meant to be.
Speaker 6: That's cold. Gene Simmons of Kiss. That's cold.
Speaker 8: And when the day finally happens, when people go to
kiss dot com and order anything, uh huh, still get
one third off the price? Wow, really, that's correct. We
have to wait till he bites the big one.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, all right, Well I do like to save money,
but I but I do still hope the Ace.
Speaker 8: Recovers right new too.
Speaker 6: Hmmm, all right, Gene Simmons of Kiss.
Speaker 8: I have a good show man, all right, keep rocking
and keep rolling.
Speaker 6: Thank you, right, and Gina, I would just remind you, oh,
never mind, Gene Simmons of Kiss. That's amazing. We haven't
heard from Gena in a long time. Well, very good,
very good. Well, I do hope. Uh it sounds like
he's doing great. And I hope Fraley recovers. Ace actually
had to cancel the rest of his tour. He was
on a tour that I think was supposed to go
for the rest of the year, but he had to
cancel the rest of his dates for twenty twenty five.
So very very very concerned for mister Frailey. Well, here's
what we're gonna do. We're gonna go ahead and hit
this track. This is called short Life. This is Pacific
A's and then when we come back, we're gonna have
Jack from Pacific A's on the line with us. Really
looking forward to talking with him. I love his sound check.
This out Pacific A's and this is called short Life.
Speaker 5: Think and Fallen, move the sun. So my god, you
see the sable man I look sor and super take
it Innglish without regret.
Speaker 9: So loveter not see me.
Speaker 4: You've got along.
Speaker 2: You're sure.
Speaker 4: Something been letting in.
Speaker 5: The ships, just canding you comfort lists. She leads across
the boat to come fad.
Speaker 10: That does nothing, no.
Speaker 4: No, the stress some lads long track comments. It's a
long track.
Speaker 6: I love that that is specific as the track is
called a short life. And I think we have Jack
on the line via WhatsApp.
Speaker 3: Jack, are you there?
Speaker 11: You do you have Jack on the line? How's it
go O?
Speaker 6: Wonderful? Wonderful? Hey, I love that song. Man, it's so
it's kind of dreamy is my first word to describe it.
But it's just such a great tune and it just
I just love it. You kind of get kind of
get lost in it when I listened to it, if
you know what I mean.
Speaker 11: Yeah, because when our guitar hast brought the chords into
the room, it just made it transported me to those holidays,
you know, with your partner on the beach and you're
in that little bubble of life and nothing can really
pop that bubble. And that's the vibe that I wanted
to give out. Yeah, as you partner against the world
love and life.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, I'd say you definitely accomplish. That's that's
really good. So tell me Jack about Pacific is because
I got the impression from reading a little bit about
the band that did this start as a solo project
and then kind of develop into a band? Is that
what happened? Or can you kind of run through the
history of the project.
Speaker 11: Yeah, sure, so super fast history. I've been playing piano
since I was ten, so you know over twenty years now. Yeah,
classically trained and all the piano stuff done me grades
and then in my twenties, I started really getting into
playing guitar, and like, I just had an affinity to
safe rock and safe music. So around five or six
year years ago with a side that you know, now's
the time to actually get those ideas out your head
and out of the voice memos and onto a page
and into the studio. So that's what I've done. I
reached out to a couple of people in America because
that was always the goal for me, Like it always
felt like American, the Californian beats music in a way,
So I had a few producers out in LA who
were helping me craft that sound. But that was me
on my own. Fast forward a couple of years and
now there's a full band of us, and we all
have the same outlook on life. You know, there's more
to life. We love music, we loved creating, and you
know what, we're all generally nice guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, is that I mean some of your music.
So the song and we're gonna play it later. By
the way, at the end of our conversation. A previous
single that you had Wanderlust, which I really liked as well.
That's another great song, but that one I feel like
has a little bit of angst to it, which which
is different from short Life. But again that might be
my interpretation of it, because obviously, you know, music is art,
and art is open to everyone's individual interpretation. But but
I do feel like there's a little bit of there's
a little bit of anngst in that one, right, or
maybe I'm wrong, you tell.
Speaker 11: Me no, it's a it's a good, good assessment of
the song. There's a lot of anks, to be honest,
and it was I wrote that when I had all
these ideas in me, had all these plans to you know,
make a sound, create a band, but I didn't have
any of the infrastructure. So all of the anngs there
is true. Like the lyric twenty three one way take it,
I've flow in the nest. So I moved to Australia.
I thought, I need to leave, I need to leave time,
I need to leave England, and then I ended up
coming home a couple of years later and still being
in the same place because you know, when you leave,
I'm gonna make it, I'm gonna be a star whatever.
A few years later, you sit down you think nothing's changed.
So yeah, a lot of that angst is true, and
you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: It's interesting. I've known a lot of people who they'll
do something where they decide, you know, I'm not I'm
not happy where I am, and so I'm just gonna
move to a new place and everything will be great.
And they don't necessarily realize. I mean, don't get me wrong,
the scenery and sometimes can be very very healthy. But
a lot of times it's just people trying to literally
run away from their problems and they don't realize the
problems are portable and they go with you and you know,
you're still the same person no matter what continent you're on.
But I'm really curious, now, why Australia when you moved,
Why did you decide to go to Australia?
Speaker 11: Great question. So I initially went to Ibtha. I just
sold all my stuff and bought it one way ticket
to Wybtha.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 11: And so in England, we go, we go to a
we go to Ibtha. It's like a little thing we
do to do a season, to work the summer season.
So I thought, I want to quit my job, leave
Liverpool behind and you know, go live abroad for a while.
And I met somebody who was like, oh, after the
season's over, I'm moving to Australia. Do you want to
come with me? Obviously? Yes, Well Australia was fantastic, but
it wasn't as all as rosy as you would think
because it's an unreal place, you know, the weather, the people.
But it was like England but with like less friends.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 11: It was strange.
Speaker 6: I we'll say, yeah, how long were you there?
Speaker 11: Six months? I was there, okay, six six months? And
then I realized that, you know, the dream isn't always
the dream, and then I, you know, moved along.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, did you when you moved back, did you move
back to where you were the same area that you
were before? Did you pick a different, different area geographically?
Speaker 11: No, I moved back to the same area. And I'll
be honest, six months a year, you know, eighteen months
away from your home. Everything looks so everything's the same.
People moved on, but everything looks different, everything smells different.
And that that's probably where the yank started for me.
Was Okay, I left, I left, I've still got these ideas,
still haven't got a band. What am I doing with
my life?
Speaker 6: Right? Right? So when you when you put the band together,
was that it with intention. Did you say I need
I need a band or did that just kind of
happen organically where you met people or maybe some people
who you already knew, who who said hey, i'd like
to be a part of what you're doing, or how
did that come about?
Speaker 11: Yeah, good question. I'll be honest. I always yearned for
a band from the age of like twenty two, when
I really got into me music, yeah, you know, into
pop and rock music. I yearned for a band. So
a lot of the time I joined projects for a
couple of years when I was the keyboard that though
I was a singer, but it was never my band,
and I always thought I want my own project, not
to control like that. It's more I would like to
bring my ideas into a room with people who were
who were would like to hear them and would like
to make them better. And I didn't have that for
I don't even know seven years, eight years, I didn't
have that far. And then slowly I started meeting people
who were You know, once you start networking and getting
out into the industry, you realize you meet like minded people.
One thing I will say, which is really important is
I didn't know who I was in the early twenties,
and then I think as attended, you know, thirty, I
realized who I was as a person. And once you
accept and understand who you are, the people who you
need in your life are naturally drawn to you and
you're drawn to them. It's crazy.
Speaker 6: M hm, No, I think that makes a lot of sense.
I think that's that's absolutely what happens. So then you
started putting a band together, and then you also have
a do you have a specific producer that you work with?
Speaker 8: Oh, you know what.
Speaker 11: I love that you've asked me that, because I've got
an American producer who I love. He's told Lewis Peskov.
He produced the first three songs and wonder, Lust, World
and Magic.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 11: It was like a little I wanted to do. I
wanted to do an EP with him because I've been
following him for a while since you released Well. He
produced Best Coast album, which I loved. Yeah, still wanted
to top ten albums.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 11: I really wanted to work with them, and I'll be honest,
I wasn't disappointed. He brought. He brought the sound that
had in me in my head alive, which then allowed
me to cement that sound and then bring it back
to because in England, say, frock isn't huge, and that's cool,
you know. I like to be a bit of a
not a trendsetter, but I'd like to do my own thing,
my own way. It's good to stand out, definitely, you
have to stand out because there's so much music being made, Like,
how is anybody going to listen to it if it's
the same as everything else?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 11: But I just go off what I like. I just
write songs that I want to hear, if that makes sense.
But yeah, We've been friends with the producer for a
while in England called John Oh. He's at a place
called Alo Sounds, really good producer. He's been helping me,
you know, through the years, helping me get me files
together for like Lewis the Center America. And then we
spoke and he said, listen, if you want me to
produce your music, you're going to have to payot a
touch because I can't make the low fi that you
want to make, he said, But I can't help you.
I thought, you know what, Let's try your expertise, my expertise.
Let's put our heads together, Let's let's stop trying to
be something that we're not, and that's see what we
can make in the records. That Short Life is the
first record we put out with John. Oh, We've got
two or three more singles in the works that I
would say better, Yeah, better and more defined.
Speaker 6: Yes, Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 11: No, No, I was just gonna say, like collaborations key,
isn't it's all about trial and error?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, Well for some people, I mean, some people
are are are afraid to collaborate, you know what I mean,
and they insist on doing everything themselves. But but it
sounds like in your case, you've found the right people
or the right people were drawn to you, as you
talked about earlier, when you figure out who you are
and you know people are people come into your life
who are going to be drawn to you. It sounds
like you found the right people to collaborate with. I
think some people who are resistant to collaboration, because I
talk guardists who are who just insist on doing everything themselves,
they probably haven't found the right people to collaborate with,
you know what I mean. So I think I think
that's great. And you mentioned so use the term lo
fi and I that hadn't occurred to me. I mean,
is that what you were going for with Short Life?
Kind of a low fi vibe? Because it didn't occur
to me while listening to it, Like I said a
lot of things, did you know it's got a kind
of a beach vibe and it's but it's it's dreamy,
you know, That's that's my word for it. But I mean,
is that what you're going for kind of a sort
of a low vibe. I don't know if retro is
the right word, but but I kind of associate that
in my mind with low fis that was what you
were trying to achieve with that, and that.
Speaker 11: Was what I was trying to achieve with the band
in general. So I write a lot of music at
home on logic. We have got all my guitars and
me ams around me and yeah me, you know the
stuff that I need to make music, and a lot
of the stuff that I make at home is very
low fi. And I think there's a tam called I
don't know if you know what it's called. It's called
demo isis it's when you get you get stuck in
the mind set of the sound I've made the demo,
this is what the song needs to sound like. But
that's not actually conducive to making a great song because
sometimes you have to go okay, good start, but let's improve.
Speaker 6: It, right.
Speaker 11: But yeah, short Life is the first creation between me,
the lads you know, the group specifics, and the producer
Johno because he brings a more British indie rock garage
punk type vibes. So when we like, when we mash
all our influencers together, that's a sound that came out.
But that that was the conversation I think I mentioned
a few minutes ago where he said, listen your way.
I can't. I can't record and produce your way you
know at my best. So I decided, okay, I'll bring
my ideas, you bring your ideas and let's meet in
the middle. And that's how we done that. So I
think that's how we got that more modern sound with
little bit of retro edge.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Also something else I was reading, so can you
tell me about the Rick Rubin principle that you you
you'd rather have because I can relate to this. You
you'd you like strong reactions, right even if something even
if somebody doesn't like something, that you've done, you'd prefer
that to sort of indifference. Is that correct? Do you
understand that?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I love it.
Speaker 11: I feel like in difference is the one thing you
need to avoid. People don't realize it. It's a bit
like it's one of those things indifference that it just
passes you by. Was love and hate a visceral reactions.
So I have a feeling and this is an assumption
of course that you know, I've been playing for five
years and we are at a certain stage of our
career because I think people love us and hate us.
So I'm able to play more shows to like, you know,
bigger venues, to more people because we do get the
visceral reactions because say a frock in England, it's not
really that common. But I love playing it and I'll
always play it because, like I said before, I make
music for me. But yeah, Rick Rubin was it was
such an inspiration to think, Oh I get it now,
love or hates great indifference not so much.
Speaker 12: So.
Speaker 11: Someone came up with me after the show recently and said, oh,
that song is terrible, and I said, oh, thank you.
Speaker 6: Right at liast I felt something, Yeah, look.
Speaker 11: It doesn't even offend me. I think it's great. I'm like,
thank you because you've taken the time to speak to me.
So I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then how does someone react, like when you react,
when you react to you know, they're they're putting down
the song and then you react positively and say, you know,
thank you. I mean, do they do they then in
that moment seem to get it why you appreciate it?
Or are they just kind of do they look at
you like what really? You're you like what I said?
Like what happens? Then?
Speaker 11: Do you know what? It's a mixture. You know, you
have to remember we haven't met yet. But I'm six
foot five.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you're a tall guy.
Speaker 11: I'm six five, I've got long air and a beard.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So, like you ever know what reaction you're going to
get from people? So I usually there's always somebody saying
something to like try and chop you down. But it doesn't.
It goes in one ear and goes out to the other.
Like it doesn't phaze me. When it comes to music critique,
there's you know, there's some truth in it, isn't if
somebody is like brave and honest enough to say to you, Oh,
I don't like that, I don't like this part, or
I don't like this part of my performance. I'll listen
and write it down, think, okay, is there some truth
in that? And I'll investigate it and sometimes there is,
you know, and it makes me improve as a performer.
So feedback, you know, feedback on my art or on
my music. I love feedback on myself. Not interested, don't care.
Speaker 6: Right right, Yeah, I've always said, I mean, that's kind
of always been my approach to radio is I have
an adage. I always say I'd rather be loved than hated,
but I'd rather be hated than ignored, you know, because
if if people are indifferent to what you're doing, then
it's like, well what, you know, what's the point? You know?
Or or it's kind of like in professional wrestling, right,
like if you're a good guy, you want to be cheered.
If you're a bad guy, you want to be booed.
But the one thing you don't want is the crowd
to be quiet when you walk out. You know, you
want to get a reaction out of people and you
want them to feel something. So but I think it's
interesting too that and I commend you for this for
taking the attitude that you do because you know, as
you know, creative people, we tend to be you know,
a lot of us tend to be kind of insecure
in that way and and we don't and we don't
react to any kind of criticism positively or you know
what I mean. Like some people really get their feelings hurt.
So I I like, have you always had that sort
of emotional maturity? Is that something you you've always that's
always been internal for you?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 11: I had to developed that, you know, really, because like
I'm in me theirties now, So I think a lot
of it's self development. And you know there's a thing,
isn't it like? And it's a lot of creative to it.
And you can say that I don't like you know,
I can say I don't need to be liked. But
when you put music out, you hope people like it, right,
And a lot of is an extension of you. And
so you think, if you don't like my music, you
don't like me. So after a while you just kind
of stop caring. But one thing I don't like is
I don't like being ignored. You know, if you send
an email to somebody that all listened to me song
or check out my new record. I'd rather say this
is terrible as opposed to you know, not the right
A question for you because you mentioned professional wrestler. I
noticed that you do wrestling podcasts, right, I do. Yes,
I love that man because I used to be when
I was left a kid, you know, in the nice
I loved wrestler, loved wc W. Oh no, kiddy, So
have you interviewed any any like cool wrestlers on there?
Because I've only just noticed, like the past couple of days,
you have a pod. I'm gonna listen to it. Oh
if you do any great legendary wrestlers from those days.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: So the wrestling podcast that we do it is called
Tough Bumps, and we're only up to I think we're
an episode. I think we just did episode ten. Oh
no wait, I'm sorry. No, we're up to episode I
think we're almost up to episode twenty. So, but it's
it's only been so, it's been about four months. We
do it once a week, so it's relatively new. So
we do have long term goals to start to get
some of those guests, but right now it's just Eric
and I my co host on the show, Eric Pilter,
and we just you know, we we usually we call
it the undercard. We talk about some of the wrestling
news of the week, and then the main event is
we pick a subject that you know that we want
to explore really in depth. But we will you know,
stay tuned, as we say, we will be doing some
interviews in the future. Absolutely, yeah, they were good.
Speaker 11: They were in my eyes, they were the golden years
of wrestling. But enough about wrestling, apologies, But how do
you deal with rejection? You know, because you're a creative yourself,
like you said, you the whole love hate, indifferent. How
do you cope with it? Because like you said to me,
I can handle it just bounces off me. How do
you cope with it?
Speaker 6: So for me, as long as it's something I'm doing creatively,
I take nothing personal. So if because I actually I'm
a very sensitive person away from all of this, like
if someone, if someone in my life says something to
me that hurts my feelings, it won't just hurt a
little little crush me, you know. I mean, I'll recover,
I'll get past it. But I'm very sensitive that way.
But when it comes to anything having to do with.
I am a musician, but I don't play anymore. Mainly,
I just focus on radio and podcasting now. But if
if somebody says something mean, say online on the internet,
I actually like it so, but I think that I
kind of look at it from a couple of different perspectives. Again,
I mean, part of it is I'd rather be I'd
rather be loved than hated, but I'd rather be hated
than ignored. So if they say something mean, well, at
least they're paying attention to me, and it's good for
It's good for what I do, right, you know, even
if someone listens to the show but they hate listen
to the show, at least they're listening. But there's also
that part of me that wonders, though, is it really
healthy or is it just this sort of narcissism that
I carry where it's like I just want attention and
I'll take whatever attention I can get, positive or negative.
I just want the attention. So I don't know if
it's healthy or not the way that I look at it,
but I think it is, but sometimes I question it
If that makes sense.
Speaker 11: No, definitely, But I love I love your approach as well,
and I think it's it's a healthy approach because you know,
it's hard to separate the art from the artist. But
sometimes they're not. I always say this the people who
work for In England, we have like people who work
for charities and stuff, and they try and sign you
up in the street to give you like ten pounds
a month, and I always say to them, I always
pull them aside and say, I love what you're doing.
I don't have the time or you know, I'll sign
up to your cause. But I understand that a lot
of rejection is they're not rejecting you. They're rejecting your badge,
the rejecting the company you work for. And sometimes you
have to separate that they're not rejecting you, they're rejecting
your art. And right, that's cool, man, you know that's
just the way it is. But I'll the rejections that
I get. I'll keep making art regardless because I make
it for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's uh. I think that's excellent.
I think that's excellent. Now, what is what is kind
of the future trajectory for you? You know, you've you've
got some singles. I mean, do you do you have
an album? Or in the works or are you gonna
do an EP or you mentioned an EP earlier.
Speaker 11: Yes, we are looking to do anyp we are. We've
got a couple of songs in the works that are
actually I think we'll make a bit of a not
a bit of a difference, make a big difference at
our trajectory. I'm also of trying to get on the
voting the board, the voting board for the Grammys. I'd
really like to do that because I have the credits.
I've been writing songs and producing songs for a while. Yeah,
so that's only a list of to dos. I think
we'd like to play a couple of big shows, a
major festival because I played Glastonbury last year. I landed
on opportunity to play Glastonbury, which was unreal. I can't
even tell you, but I ended up playing solo. It
was the last minute slot. I had like a month
to prepare, so I thought, right, I'll take me piano
and I'll just play solo. Yeah, it was surreal experience.
Speaker 6: Oh that's excellent. And any kind of festival too that
you can get on. Those are such For one thing,
it gets you in front of a big crowd and
it exposes you to an audience that might not otherwise
hear you, but also are the whatuld not otherwise. But
also the networking opportunities that come at a festival are phenomenal.
You know, you meet so many people and and I
was reading something too about you that you like to
and and again this also I think speaks to your
emotional maturity and how you approach all this. You know,
you don't get jealous of people who are or who
are successful. You focus on learning from them. And I
think that's great because that's you know, a lot of
people think success in any kind of endeavor, whether it's
the music industry or just life in general, people tend
to think of it as a zero sum game. Well,
if somebody else is more successful, that means I'm automatically
less successful, you know, like there's only so much to
go around. But the key is to learn from people
who are more successful or who are older, maybe further
along in their careers, and you know, and and to
take that opportunity to learn from them. And also they've
proven that you can do it, So if they can
do it, then there's no reason why you can't do
it too, right, So you know, there's validation that comes
with that, So I commend you for that too.
Speaker 11: Thank you. It's funny you say that, and that's one
of the reasons. That's probably the main reason why Pacific
Keys is what it is today. So you know, I
was I was playing all the parts, organizing everything, pretty
much managing the show before, you know, a couple of
years ago. But then I meet a guitarist who's better
than me, and I'm like, please join me band. I
meet a drummer who understands drums more than me, Please
join the band. You know, That's what it was. So
now I met four players who were far better than
me on their own instruments. I think fantastic. I can
now focus on what I'm strong at, which is you know, production, songwriting,
and singing, and now I can trust them to do
a great job. So you're right. I try not to
get jealous because it's hard not to get jealous because
you know, you want to be You want to be
on stage, you want to be you think I should
be that I deserve to be there. But at the
same time, you got to wait your turn. Man, Your
time will come because the last thing you want, let's say,
I think oh, I should be at Glassmer, I should
be at Leeds Festival, or you know, I should be
playing at Cochella. They've spent ten fifteen years working to
get towards that, for example, and I'm what I'd probably say,
I'm seven years into this project, probably like you know,
twenty five years of like a music career. But I
would hate for me to get on stage and people
say thinking, oh, whise, how does he deserve to be
up there to make up work for ten fifteen years.
So you have to accept that you've got to put
the work in and you know what, you might fail,
and that's okay because you know, Alicia doing certain that
you love, that's all that matters.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, the word. You know, the scariest thing in life
would be, you know, to get to get to the
end of it and look back and say, you know
what if I had tried, you know what if I
had followed my passions. I mean that that would scare
the hell out of me, you know, just just looking
back with regret and saying, you know, maybe maybe I
should have you know, gone for it. But so no,
I agree with you. I mean, you know this is
only well, you know, like the song says, you know,
it's a short life.
Speaker 11: So you know what I fear most. I fear getting
to the end of the journey, like being successful and
feeling empty. So that makes me. I hear a lot
about that, Like there's a lot about people who win
awards and play stadiums. They do that they hit the
goal and they're empty, and that's because they've spent the
whole journey thinking about the goal. Whereas you have to
just live in the journey, man, Yeah, live in the present.
Nothing's guaranteed. The only thing's guaranteed now is I'm speaking
to you. I might go down and make a cup
of tea afterwards after we speak. That's all that's guaranteed. Man,
nothing else. Live in the moment and just try and
enjoy the journey because it's tough.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to enjoy the ride. Or
there's an expression in America. I don't know if they
say it here, if they say it over there, but
getting there is half the fun. But even that's not
necessarily true. Sometimes I think probably getting there is all
the fun. You know, and then you know, and then
when you get there, you got to find a new
mountain to climb or something, But yeah, you better enjoy
getting there.
Speaker 11: It's so true because you've got all these scars and
memories of getting there. If somebody said to you today
are here's a button, if you press this, we'll give
you a numbnumber one album. We'll give you a you know,
a million pounds. I don't believe for a second that
in six months you'll appreciate that. But I think all
the graphs that you're doing with yourself as well with
your radio show and your podcast, like you seem as
a person like me, you know you want to go
to the top of your game, and I think it's
that it's the hard way you put in. You look back,
you know, five years down the line, you look out
onto like you know, your property or your money, your bank, whatever,
and you think I deserve I not I deserve this,
because nobody deserves anything. I earned this right. I worked
hard for this, and I think that's the longevity of it.
And you'll keep going. You think, Okay, I aint me
number one record. I'm going to go get a second
one because nobody give it to me. Nobody gives you
anything in this life, right, you know, you're not entitled
to anything.
Speaker 6: Go get it though exactly Yeah, very well said very well,
said well, Jack, I really appreciate you joining us here today.
Not only is it I've been excited to talk to
you about your music, but also I think you've given
because a lot of musicians listen to the show, a
lot of industry people, I think you've given a lot
of really good advice and insight today too, which is
really cool. So I appreciate that, and and I enjoy
I appreciate your outlook on everything. I think it's I
think it's excellent. And in a moment, like I said,
we'll close out the segment with this track Wanderlust, which
I also think is great. Oh and I wanted to
ask you too about the video for this. The video
is really cool. The video for Wanderlust. I encouraged people
go on YouTube check it out that like did you
I mean, how much traveling did you do to make
that video?
Speaker 11: And Nellie died, you know, I fell in the river
and everything. But honestly, it was such a it was
such an amazing slash traumatic video shoot. Like we were
on top of the mountain and in the middle of
the lake districts in England, like we'd walked two hours
to get you know, the shot Wow fell in a
river like I got wet. All my stuff, We've got
all the gear was missing. Honestly, it was well we
got the shot man and that's all that matters. Yeah,
I will say, if you on a good video, you're
gonna have to walk through hell for it. It doesn't
come easy, man. But yeah, it was a good befriend
Dylan Witty. He's an amazing, amazing video and it's a
amazing director and he helped me, you know, put that
vision together because that was the first piece of music
that I put out, so I wanted to put something
out with a bang. But I will say, any any
musicians artists listening, Wanderlus had three or four mixes over
like four years. For four years, I couldn't get I
couldn't get the right sound that I wanted. It was
tough and it was that whole you know, is it
is it good enough?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 11: Okay, back to the drawing. But I spent thousands mates,
but the result that I wanted, So you know, I
maybe too much perfectionism is a bit too much. But
for me, if you're going to make an impact, do
it properly. Yes, I think.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, well well done. It's a it's an excellent video.
Like I said, I encourage people to go online and
check it out and we will close out the segment
with that song again, another great song. But Jack, we
will definitely do this again in the future. When you
were do you have any idea when your next single
might be out? Any any any idea or not to
put you on the spot, But.
Speaker 11: No, not to put you on spots at all. I'll
be honest. I think maybe a couple of weeks. I'm
just doing the finals. I'm looking for a strings and
brass player to help me round out the sound, okay,
And can I just give a shout out before to
go if that's all right?
Speaker 6: Oh please? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 11: I just want to say thanks to Big GPR for
getting me the interview. Thank you to you, Matt. I
really appreciate you. And thanks to We Believe as well
and my keys. You know, let's let's keep let's keep
hitting those heights and who knows next year where we'll be.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and everybody you mentioned such great people you know,
and and and uh where they know how to find talent,
that's for sure. Everybody, everybody they've sent us has been
absolutely amazing, including you, So I'm really glad to talk
to you today, Jack, and thank you so much for
joining us. We're going to hit this track, so we'll
let you go, but I look forward to the next
single and we will definitely have to do this again
in the near future. So thank you so much.
Speaker 11: Look forward it past to look man, and keep doing
what you're doing you grace.
Speaker 6: Oh thanks Jack, I appreciate you, man. All right, take care,
thank you, all right, bye bye, all right. That was
Jack from Pacific A's and we're gonna play this track now.
This is called one wander Lust and this is really good.
And again check out the video not right now, stick
with me for now, but later check out the video online.
You'll like the video too. They put a lot of
work into it, as Jack indicated, and a lot of
some terrifying moments too. But check this out. This is
called Wanderlust and this is Pacific A'sest.
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