WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:51.880 Yeah, welcome back to Calling All Beings everybody. 2 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:54.920 I'm your host, DJ, and it is an absolute honor 3 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.640 and pleasure to be doing our I think it's our 4 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:03.000 third or third Karen Reid Roundtable our. Karen read episode 5 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.000 specific Episode one. I did myself just because I wanted 6 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:10.680 to talk about it, and then the uh uh oh, 7 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:14.040 why am I hearing me on my YouTube? Some there 8 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.040 you go? I got that off. I guess I always listening, 9 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:19.599 had cab YouTube up on my phone anyway, So yeah, 10 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:21.840 I did the first one myself, and then the second 11 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:24.799 one Courtney and I hosted Sean. So I guess this 12 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.239 is the third. I'm your host, DJ, and that is 13 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.400 Courtney Marcusani my co host. I'm Calling All Beings? What 14 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:31.280 is up? Homegirl? 15 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:32.120 Hey? 16 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.599 What's up? What's up? Glad to be back. 17 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:37.439 This is going to be a very powerhouse panel tonight, 18 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.560 so I had to jump in and co host with you. 19 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:44.159 To listen to the experts, legal. 20 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:48.640 Experts, brilliant, brilliant people that we're having on tonight. I 21 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:52.200 have listened to as a content creator fourteen years. I 22 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.799 have listened and admired all these folks as guests and 23 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:00.719 content creators alike. So with that, let's let's bring them 24 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.120 on one at a time. And what I did is 25 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:04.719 in the order they signed up to be then to 26 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:09.120 join this roundtable, and we were unable to get our friend, 27 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.840 Sean ended up taking a vacation. He needed a break, 28 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.800 he needed a break from everything, so he ended up 29 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.840 getting us Sergeant Murphy. But the first person other than 30 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:25.479 Sean to sign on is none other than my homegirl 31 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:28.639 right here, a new content creator who is going to 32 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.360 blow it up. I mean the stuff that she's doing. 33 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.960 Brand new content creator. She's an absolute firebrand as a 34 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.800 guest and look out because her incisive analysis her unparalleled 35 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:42.759 with and she will be a YouTube sensation. So party 36 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:47.639 people put yah together for Nursekim. 37 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:55.639 Applause, Yeah, Nursekim, get me involved. 38 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.639 I'm gonna have to have you introduce. 39 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.719 Me for my stuff because that was just that just 40 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.439 made me feel really nice anytime. 41 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:08.400 Nurse Kim, you got so much skill and so much talent, 42 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.120 and man, it just watching you, you know, you were 43 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:13.479 just so comfortable with Rita today. I just love that 44 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.400 episode Rita Lombardi on Nurse Kim And yes I watched it, so. 45 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:18.960 Thank you, DJ. 46 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:21.599 She is listen She is the cant and Queen and 47 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:26.759 she is a local activist, ground roots level, and I 48 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:27.759 just get. 49 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:29.879 Inspiration from Rita. 50 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.199 And I couldn't have asked for a better number two 51 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:35.400 after mister Mark bettero as my. 52 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:40.240 Oh yeah yeah, I don't know, like twenty thousand views 53 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:44.000 for Attorney Bedro so he's coming up shortly. The next 54 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:48.639 gentleman who joined us wasn't a scrub high school wrestler 55 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:50.840 like me. He was actually good and that's how he 56 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.840 became a high school wrestling coach and educator in Massachusetts. 57 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:59.960 He is a wildly popular YouTube host Massachusetts Award winn 58 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.080 Show Journalists and Exposure of Corruption, and the host of 59 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.800 the Young Jerks So Party people put. 60 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:13.680 Those it's together for my Crawford. 61 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:18.279 Wow, yeah, you're pumping me up. I haven't been this 62 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.439 pumped up since like high school wrestling. 63 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.079 So yeah, I would be your buddy about out on 64 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:26.000 the mat. I'd be the guy who just lost to me. Like, 65 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:27.879 come on, Mike, I know you can get it for 66 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:28.720 this weight class. 67 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:28.920 Man. 68 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.120 You can get the win for this weight class because 69 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.639 I done just lost one thirty two anyway that I will. 70 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:38.279 Get that win at Oh yeah, we'll get it. I 71 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:39.000 will go out. 72 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.319 Yeah, I will say this. My high school wrestling helped 73 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:44.879 me out in BJJ quite a bit, quite a bit, 74 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.959 so that I have high school wrestling to thank for that. 75 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:50.800 Uh and I loved it. And still I actually had 76 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:53.600 a dinner with the coach and brought wrestlers in last 77 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.040 year and I graduated in eighty five. 78 00:04:55.120 --> 00:05:02.639 So anyway, right, both eighty wrestlers. I love it. I 79 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:04.879 don't know how you do the restart, Like you really 80 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:06.160 found out a lot about me. 81 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:10.040 When I say I'm watching your content, I'm not kidding. 82 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.079 I mean I've been do you know, podcasting for fourteen years. 83 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.959 I love great content. And when I found out about 84 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.240 this and this Karen Reid thing, I jumped on that 85 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.720 train and I am with you guys, one hundred percent. 86 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:24.360 All right, let's go the SA. A third person to 87 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:30.759 join this, This gentleman right here, former Manhattan Assistant DA 88 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:34.079 celebrated New York City defense attorney of over twenty years 89 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:38.800 experience and the official co counsel of the hashtag free 90 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.879 Karen Reid movement, along with his friend and homegirl from 91 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:45.720 New York City litigation Melanie Little So party people put 92 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.439 those hands together for attorney Mark better. 93 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:51.800 Go. 94 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:57.439 Yeah, it's like back on the bar Mitzvah circuit. This 95 00:05:57.519 --> 00:05:58.680 is quite the intro. 96 00:05:58.920 --> 00:05:59.199 Wow. 97 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:05.319 Yeah. So and my parallels with Mark. We're both Jewish. 98 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:07.639 I'm from New York, but I went to college in 99 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:12.240 Massachusetts and Mark is from Massachusetts and practices in New York. 100 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:14.759 So I'm from just up the Hudson River from me 101 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.079 in Hendrick Cutson High School in Montrose near Peaks Kill. 102 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.639 So anyway, all right, our last guest man on my 103 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:26.240 way out to Colorado. I've just moved to Colorado last weekend, 104 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:31.040 as some of you know, and I got a call. 105 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.959 I got to speak with this gentleman because Sean McDonald 106 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.199 was so kind to find us someone to come on 107 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:40.920 since he couldn't. And we have been talking about this gentleman, 108 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:46.800 and Mark very very rightly and very well spoken, you know, 109 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.279 basically said, this man is got extreme courage for putting 110 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.839 himself on the line against fellow officers because it was 111 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.560 the right thing to do. So he is retired Canton 112 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:09.680 p D. Sergeant put the hands together for Peter Murphy. Yeah, 113 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:16.600 Jugia Murphy, thank you. It's an honor to have you man. 114 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.279 We've had some really great dialogue. I've talked to him 115 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:21.759 at least one other time since I've been out here, 116 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.680 and if not twice, and I've really enjoyed it. As 117 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.079 I try to settle in, I'm in my hotel room 118 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.240 here in my hotel room studio. So anyway, so the 119 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.120 calling all beings round table real quickly. Rules of engagement 120 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.000 are quite simple. One of us will start and then 121 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.639 it'll just go around in a circle and everyone will 122 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.920 get to react to the topic that's been presented. Courtney 123 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.759 is kind of thinking of herself as an observer. Is 124 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.199 that correct, Courtney? Are you You're not going to present 125 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:52.519 a topic her question or what? 126 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:53.319 Probably not? 127 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:55.480 You know, you guys are more expert in the case. 128 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.600 I'm still coming up on the speed on it. So 129 00:07:57.759 --> 00:07:59.720 I'll just co host and do what you need me 130 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:01.920 to do. You but yeah, I'm not going to be 131 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:06.120 able to ask anything that you guys haven't answered before, 132 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:08.680 so it's best to let the experts take the. 133 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.399 All right, all right, well I can kick it off 134 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.720 and then we can go, oh okay, let me turn 135 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:16.879 it down, thank you very much. I didn't know. Let 136 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.439 me go to my stream ard saying somebody told me 137 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:23.360 I'm too loud, sot me, there's nothing more annoying. Okay, 138 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.439 check check check, how's that? How do you guys hear that? 139 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:28.800 Is that good? And in the chat? 140 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:30.639 Yeah, it's a little bit better. 141 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:32.120 Yeah, it's a little bit better. 142 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:34.840 Is it too loud? Because I can go lower? Maybe 143 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:37.639 a little a little lower. Let's go lower, a little 144 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:40.799 bit lower. Nothing is more annoying than when somebody's mic 145 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:45.639 is too loud. You're good, You're good, you're feeling good. Yeah, okay, 146 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:49.000 all right, let me know because I I have no 147 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:52.399 issue about turning that down. Welcome everybody in the chat. 148 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.840 Thank you for joining us, for these amazing people. If 149 00:08:55.879 --> 00:09:00.000 you're so inclined to share a blessing with us there 150 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.120 at the super chat, we'll get your question answered afterward, 151 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.440 and we're gonna have basically, we're gonna go around the roundtable. 152 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:10.360 Everyone's gonna present their topic, everyone's gonna get to react 153 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:14.200 to that topic, and then what will happen is after 154 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.559 the fact, Uh, we'll we'll just have free flowing conversation 155 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.679 and take questions from the chat. So just let us 156 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:24.840 know what you got. Thank you very much. And all right, 157 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.320 so I'm gonna throw out I said you know, you 158 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.600 could present a topic, a question, or a hypothesis and 159 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.960 everybody else will react to it. So I'm gonna throw 160 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:39.000 mine to murse Nurse Kim. So my hypothesis is after 161 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.600 viewing the micro dot video, and I realized that a 162 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:47.120 lot of you guys saw this quite a while, probably 163 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:51.720 before I did, And in looking at that video where 164 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.320 that he did recently, where it presents the sequence of 165 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.399 events front to back with what he knows and what 166 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.799 he surmises, it is a brilliant, brilliant production that he 167 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.840 did there. I know all his content creators like, oh 168 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:06.320 my god, look at that video he made. So in 169 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:11.600 any case, when I saw that and I saw Brian 170 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:14.840 Higgins with his left hand and someone was standing in 171 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.039 front of him, you guys can correct me if he 172 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.799 thank you very much, Reality checked for that blessing. We 173 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:24.919 got you start and we'll get that in there. When 174 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:29.720 that happened, that point in the bar, to me and 175 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:32.399 anybody who's been in a bar situation where there's a fight, 176 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:36.960 it only means one thing. That means, hey, you he's 177 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.000 pointing over his shoulder either. I think it was Chris 178 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.399 Albert was sort of standing in his way. And he 179 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:44.360 was like kind of like, do you want some of this? 180 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:47.200 You want some of this, you can come and get 181 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:49.440 some of this, because here's the guy who's gonna leave 182 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.039 the bar without a girl, and the girl he wants 183 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.639 is sitting over there with her boyfriend, and that pisses 184 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.480 off a drunk person even more that guy who wants 185 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:03.480 the girl, and there's a sort of taller, handsomer, better 186 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.480 looking person across the bar that is with the girl 187 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.559 that he desires. And so I think he was challenging 188 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.600 John O'Keeffe to a fight. I believe that John O'Keefe's 189 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.399 this isn't just in my opinion, So I want everyone 190 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:21.559 to take this with a grain of pink salt, that 191 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:27.000 Himalayan salt. I believe that he was challenging John to 192 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:30.039 a fight, and that with that text are you coming? 193 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:34.679 And then when he turned up at Brian Albert's house, Brian, 194 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.440 being you know, amateur boxer and all this sort of thing, 195 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:40.679 probably said, hey, man, you guys got something to settle. 196 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:42.440 Let's go down in the basement. I got a gym 197 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.600 down there. You guys can settle it down there. It 198 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.440 will be law enforcement officers out on the street doing this, 199 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.840 and that's what I believe led to the fight. What 200 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.159 happened after that, I have no idea. I don't know 201 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.519 if Colin Albert tried to get a shot in and 202 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.600 that's how he heard his I have no idea, but 203 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:02.480 I believe the premise of it was a fight was hey, 204 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.480 do you want to fight? By the point, we all 205 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:06.639 know what that means, do you want to fight me? 206 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.120 You want some of this? And then with him say hey, 207 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:12.200 you comming and then him showing up at the Albert's residence, 208 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.440 I believe Brian Albert would say, Ah, you two guys 209 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:17.879 want to get it on. Let's go downstairs to my gym. 210 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:19.519 You're not gonna have We're not gonna be in the 211 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.879 living room, not gonna be in the kitchen, not gonna 212 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.039 be in the bedroom, not gonna be in the bathroom. 213 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.159 Go downstairs at the gym. Nurse Kim take it away, ma'am, 214 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.919 and then we'll go next to Mike Mark and Sargeant Murphy. 215 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.600 Yeah, so, dj I absolutely agree with that. 216 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:39.639 I when we saw the Look the Other Way video 217 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:44.159 by micro Dots, it was incredible for me. That video 218 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:47.679 put everything that I had thought, you know, I could 219 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:52.279 have these opinions or thoughts about what I had surmised happened. 220 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:57.120 But to see it in a artistic representation on a 221 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:01.200 screen like made the hair on my arms stand right up, 222 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:04.080 like I felt it. It made me sad, It made 223 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.200 me angry. There was I had like a visceral reaction 224 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:12.039 to seeing that video and it was masterfully done, if 225 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:16.159 I may say so. But absolutely when you're talking about 226 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:19.799 them in the bar, which I found very interesting because 227 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:22.960 it wasn't really harped upon by the defense at all. 228 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:27.120 Like we went through the grab ass together, right, we 229 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:31.960 went through the boys squatting and you know, doing wrestling moves, crawfit. 230 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:35.879 You can take that after. But you know, there was 231 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.320 a lot of speculation. But I don't recall, guys, correct me, 232 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:44.559 I don't remember seeing Higgins point until that was brought 233 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:49.039 up in the micro dots recreation and you pulling that 234 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:53.240 up DJs. So yes, I think one hundred percent. Also, 235 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.960 let's add into the fact that Karen Reid had texted 236 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:00.960 or no I lied, Higgins had texted Karen while they 237 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:04.480 were at the waterfall, and then you know when they 238 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.039 get to the when they get to the Albert residence 239 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.919 at thirty fourth a of you. The text message is received, 240 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.440 are you here? Are you coming here? And I think 241 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.279 that is just what set it off. 242 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:16.519 That set it. 243 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.399 Off, in my opinion, I think that maybe perhaps on 244 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.480 the way over again, this is all speculation, but perhaps 245 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.919 did Officer John O'Keeffe see that Higgins had texted Karen. 246 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.919 You know, if he was on his ways going and 247 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.159 getting them to the location, was her phone somewhere that 248 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:34.919 was visible for him to see? 249 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:36.360 Yay, nay. 250 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.240 I can't tell you. I'm not a mass Dave police. 251 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.039 I didn't investigate this, but I think that whatever went 252 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:49.639 down went down because of alcohol, testosterone, and the looking 253 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:53.720 for the affection of a girl that one man had 254 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:54.759 and another man wanted. 255 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:59.159 Yeah, I think I heard you say that on your show. 256 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:01.159 It might have been with Mark, but that that's a 257 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.159 that's an interesting point. But I'm just saying when Brian, 258 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:07.360 when you get there, he wanted to show he wasn't scared. 259 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.360 I'm not scared of you. You think I'm scared to 260 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.000 come to that house because you're you're tech, I'll go 261 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:13.799 there and show you I'm not scared to you. I'll 262 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.679 come to that house. But what and then when you know, 263 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.519 Brian Albert obviously would have directed him, let's go to 264 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.440 the basement. Man. If you guys got something to settle, 265 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:23.399 go ahead, mister Crawford, please, sir. 266 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:27.279 I tend to not like to get like into those 267 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:31.759 kind of next level speculation because I who knows, Like, 268 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.120 we don't know what happened at that house, but the 269 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.879 text messages, That's exactly what I wrote down as soon 270 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:40.039 as you brought this up, is that you know, he 271 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.320 did send the text messages to Karen and then the 272 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:48.080 text message to John. So that's obviously very suspicious. But 273 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:52.840 the big thing for me is Karen didn't do it, right, 274 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:56.279 no questions figure out who did it? Like, like I, 275 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:58.240 it could be any of these people. It could be 276 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.360 it could be someone else. I don't know, but I 277 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:03.879 like to be careful. And I think that the text 278 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.799 messages speak for themselves in that video too. Yeah, I 279 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:11.120 think the video. Of course, people are gonna start speculating 280 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.679 based on that, but who really knows what happened in 281 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:17.440 that house, you know. So I just know that Karen 282 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.799 didn't do it, and that's and the text messages in 283 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.679 the video are suspicious. I can totally understand why people 284 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.200 look over there, and it's an obvious place to look. 285 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:30.159 So I think the law enforcement should be trying to 286 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:31.080 figure that out. 287 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:31.799 What I mean. 288 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.600 And they didn't do the investigation. So none of us 289 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:35.840 know what happened at that house. 290 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.879 Why no, I would I also, I've said this in 291 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.559 about one specific topic in the UFO community. I said, 292 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:46.200 I bet my life on it. I would also bet 293 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.200 my life on the Karen Reid didn't do this. My point, 294 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.559 I don't. I was extrapolating from the what I think. 295 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.000 What I'm trying to get at Mike is that looked 296 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.720 like a call out to me, what Brian Higins steal 297 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.080 at the bar? What happened at the house? I I 298 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:02.120 have no idea. I was just. 299 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:05.759 And too like those two guys going at it. It 300 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.559 seemed like they were practicing. I like, like, let's be serious. 301 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:11.279 It looked like two guys hyping each other up for something. 302 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.720 But the hell knows, Like we could just be looking 303 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.119 at that and thinking that. But I think the most 304 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:19.039 important thing is Karen didn't do it. I mean, that's 305 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:22.640 what I always stick to. And and we could talk 306 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.599 about the video and the phone calls and or the 307 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:29.079 text messages, excuse me. I think that's important, but I 308 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.920 just you know, I don't personally, I don't like to 309 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:33.559 go to that next level because I don't know what 310 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:35.799 happened in that house. We don't have text messages from 311 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.119 about what happened in the house. We we have messages 312 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:41.680 right before they went to the house. So I think 313 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.599 that's like I like to stick to that. I like, 314 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:48.640 I love your style. I love your style be safe 315 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:51.240 and smart and because we don't know, like it could 316 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:52.920 be something else happened, but I don't. 317 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.000 Know you are smart. So uh, here's someone else who's 318 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:01.000 really really smart? Uh? The official uh freaking I read 319 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.839 Attorney Alan Milly little Mark Betroll. What do you think, sir? Well? 320 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.119 From a lawyer's perspective, you come at this with you 321 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.440 don't have to prove anything, You just have to establish 322 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.480 reasonable doubt. Having said that, do some of these facts 323 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:20.079 help support reasonable doubt and they could if used in 324 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.359 the right way. And so the first thing is is 325 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:28.000 it plausible to believe that Higgins might have been involved 326 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:29.720 in this? And if you're going to make that argument, 327 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:33.559 you need some credible evidence, and it certainly is plausible. 328 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:41.279 I mean, Brian Albert is meathead. Brian Higgs is Mead, 329 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:47.160 Colin Albert is a meathead. They all center their lives 330 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:52.720 around drinking, fighting and flipping the bird. So do you 331 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:56.680 start with the idea that this could be Who's is 332 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.200 bigger than Who's and could end up in something that 333 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.440 seems so stupid? And the answer is yes? And what 334 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.680 is the more evidence of that? The grab assing in 335 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.680 the bar, I mean grown men at a bar, and 336 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:12.640 I think it was even Matthew mccabey said, you mean 337 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.720 that the grab assing like it was nothing, So it's 338 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:21.640 certainly plausible. The micro dots video is fascinating because it 339 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:27.480 does appear to show Higgins somewhat animated, pointing at least 340 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.400 in the direction of John O'Keeffe, who seems to be 341 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.640 kind of laying low sipping a beer. I don't even 342 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:36.119 remember if Karen is there or not, but it does 343 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:41.640 seem to be in his direction. Other evidence that would 344 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:47.319 at least support this hypothesis are the whatever relationship that 345 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.359 was going on, or in his mind Higgins's mind, what 346 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.519 was going on between him and Karen, which appeared to 347 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:59.039 be flirty on the surface but in reality was probably 348 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:02.480 her off because she thought he was screwing around in Aruba, 349 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.880 so I was gonna make him jealous because you also 350 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:09.759 have to be realistic about things. And I'm not being judgmental, 351 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:13.559 I'm just being realistic. People in life in Karen Reid's 352 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.440 station generally don't want to date people in life in 353 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:22.240 Brian Higgins's station. It just doesn't it doesn't fit. So 354 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.960 she I think she was screwing around with him, and he, 355 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:27.720 you know, he took it and he wanted to know. 356 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.319 And even that night at the bar, he was texting her, 357 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.119 you know, and she's not responding and she's ghosting him, 358 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:36.799 I think was the word they were using. And then 359 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.279 you get to what I find to be the most 360 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.640 interesting part of all of this. And I don't remember 361 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:44.960 who I spoke to this about, but I always talk 362 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:49.400 about Colombo and the little things, okay, because I'm a 363 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:56.240 Colombo nerd, growing as favorite TV show, and always little 364 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.920 little things which don't seem like much. And Higgins text 365 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:05.559 John O'Keeffe saying are you coming here? Which doesn't really fit. 366 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:09.160 I mean, why does he want him there? But in particular, 367 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.200 he sent multiple question marks at the end of that text, 368 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:19.519 which is for emphasis that grown men don't text like 369 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.359 twelve year olds by setting in middle school with seven 370 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.839 question marks, unless what he's saying is are you coming here? 371 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:31.079 Like there's there's more to it, as if he's supposed 372 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:36.000 to come there. Okay, fine, So he goes there and 373 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:39.599 Higgins supposedly is going there to hang out, and then 374 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:42.640 what does he do. He actually leaves in a few minutes, 375 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.839 which makes no sense, which incidentally would be right after 376 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:49.559 you know, John O'Keeffe would or would not have been there, 377 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:53.240 hig the only person who said some other man came 378 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:57.759 in the house who fit John O'Keeffe's description, right. You 379 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:01.039 don't know the context of what he was saying or not. 380 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:05.039 But then he left, so he said to go move 381 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:11.039 cars at can there reasonable thing to do? After sure 382 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.759 mitsky all night is go in the middle of a 383 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:17.799 blizzard or a looming blizzard, go move cars by drug 384 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.279 driving at the police station, which I would suggest he 385 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:23.319 was ridiculous. And then you go back to the Micropots video, 386 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:27.279 which I understand. You know he's putting in some conjecture 387 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:31.240 like informed speculation, if you will, And I thought the 388 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:35.240 most informed speculation he had in that entire video was 389 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:40.559 this theory that Higgins was dispatched to the police station 390 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.160 to monitor what's going on. That makes a lot of 391 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:46.799 sense to me. So did any of that happen in 392 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.720 terms of the fighting and whatnot, I don't know, But 393 00:22:50.599 --> 00:22:56.720 you also know what happened after, which is inexplicable unless 394 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.839 these people were covering up something. And you know, who's 395 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.839 to say what they were covering up. But when they 396 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.759 send all these text messages amongst themselves about you know, 397 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.720 they're digging in the lawn, they're in the Asian guy's house, 398 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:12.920 make sure you tell them the guy, you know, the 399 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:16.240 guy that's their good friend, John O'Keefe by the way, privately, 400 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:20.680 he's just the guy never came in the house. All 401 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:24.160 the deleted searches, all the butt dials, you could go 402 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:28.279 on and on. That's not normal behavior. Okay, so they're 403 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:32.160 lying about something. So do I think that it actually 404 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:37.440 could be related to what you know, the supposition is 405 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:40.599 about Higgins doing it? Maybe, but you don't have to know. 406 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:45.799 But I do think that the defense at the retrial, 407 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.519 if there is one, maybe we'll take some of this 408 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.200 evidence and do it the way that we're talking about 409 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.559 it now, which is say you can't explain this. You 410 00:23:55.599 --> 00:24:00.359 can't explain this unless there's something bad. All of points 411 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:04.079 away from Karen Reid. So whether they have to prove 412 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.000 what happened, they don't. But there are a lot of 413 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.720 facts which tilt the needle away from Karen Reid, which 414 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.799 is what reasonable doubt is all about. So that's my 415 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:14.440 view on it. 416 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.279 Can I get it? Amen? It's so I'm not totally 417 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.240 out to lunch. But reality Check would like Mike to 418 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.960 read this one. Thank you for the blessing. Reality Check 419 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:27.599 really appreciate that. Ninety nine. So Mike, would you do 420 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:28.319 the honors here? 421 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:32.880 I'm trying to. I always have these because my glasses. 422 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:34.480 I'll do it. I'll do it. 423 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:39.319 I could try it, Okay, brother, the first Karen Reid 424 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:43.559 standout in Cherry Grove, South Carolina at the Shack at 425 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.519 one pm tomorrow in the area, please join. 426 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:50.559 Us to support There you go so tomorrow. 427 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:51.759 I did it for you. I did it. 428 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:56.359 Thank you. Yeah, my wrestling brother, I so yeah. Please 429 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:59.920 if you are in or near or within fifty mile 430 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:02.839 of Cherry Grove, South Carolina, please be at the Shack 431 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:05.400 tomorrow at one pm. If you're in the area and 432 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:08.640 join us to support they're gonna have a Karen Reid standout. 433 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:11.000 And I think this is awesome that it is not 434 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.279 limited to Massachusetts, and I would love to do on 435 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.960 myself really so now that I've just moved to a 436 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:20.200 town where I guess I know a couple people from service, 437 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.839 but not a lot. So anyway, thank you so much 438 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.400 for the blessing reality check, Linda. Thank you very much, 439 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.680 Linda f I really appreciate it, ma'am. We're hoping that 440 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:34.240 we can pay for streamyard Canva, what else, speaker and 441 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.079 the four things we use to create this show, and 442 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:39.519 now even Twitter. You gotta have a premium account to 443 00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:42.119 stream on there, Midnight Moon. Thank you very much, greatly 444 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.240 appreciate it. In hindsight, talking about how much Nicole likes 445 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.559 to clean, that she might have been cleaning up at 446 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:50.519 the crime see that that's a very very good bet. 447 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:55.759 So we better not knock on that door. Peter Murphy, sir, 448 00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.200 so what do you and Courtney? Please interject anytime you 449 00:25:59.240 --> 00:25:59.960 have a question. 450 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.519 Or I do have oneways after. 451 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:09.559 Peter goes next, Yeah, yeah, ma'am, all right, So uh Murphy, Uh, 452 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.680 was that a fight? Was that a call out for 453 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:16.039 a fight? That you saw from b Higgins, somebody that 454 00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:18.559 Sean affectionately refers to as lard ass. 455 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.319 I definitely had some Uh. 456 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.799 There was definitely some animosity and hostility in that gesture, 457 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:30.680 for sure, no doubt about it. And coupled with the 458 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:35.839 probably the amount of alcohol involved and maybe some other substances, 459 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.319 that appeared to me that that was a call out. 460 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:40.799 And it looked like I believe you're right. 461 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:42.960 It was Chris that intervened and said not he d 462 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.559 not now probably and uh. And then there was all 463 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.240 the texting where multiple people were trying to find out 464 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.000 where he was, question Mark, when are you coming? People 465 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.279 at the door allegedly looking out the windows. 466 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:56.319 Uh. 467 00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.720 It was there were a lot of people very interested 468 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.319 in he was and how he was going to work, 469 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.480 how he was going to arrive DJ and I guess 470 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:09.200 the question is did they want to keep them away 471 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:13.079 from the front door so that the audience of twenty 472 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:16.440 one twenty five year old party goals for the birthday party. 473 00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.279 Of Brian Junior didn't see him come in? 474 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.279 Did they bring him around through the back gate and say, 475 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.559 you know, come on, the kids are up drinking. Well, 476 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:25.000 you don't want to see that you're a cop, come 477 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:29.720 in through the back gate. We'll go in through the basement. Yeah, 478 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.000 it's out there, you know. As as Mike Croffit said, 479 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:38.839 there's a plethora of motive and opportunities for a lot 480 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.000 of people in this case. 481 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.240 Yeah, definitely. I mean, we're going to extrapolate to the 482 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.039 larger points. But that was just something that I noticed. 483 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.160 I do have a question I'm going to ask later on. 484 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:54.759 I'm gonna ask Attorney Bero about Attorney Weinberg and how 485 00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:01.720 crosses examinations might look in an upcoming persons if Attorney 486 00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.799 Weinberg were used as opposed to someone that we all 487 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.960 love here in Alan Jackson. But we're gonna get to 488 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.200 that later. So Courtney, go ahead, ma'am. 489 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.039 Yeah. DJ might chastise me for this, but this is 490 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:16.400 a two This is a two question thing because I 491 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.079 might not get another question on the lightning round and 492 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.759 one question might not be ideal for some people, but 493 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.880 the second will be I think, So you can choose 494 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:26.200 which one you want to answer. The first thing I 495 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:32.039 wanted to ask about was Higgins extracting the text messages 496 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.359 that he obviously wanted to emphasize for legal and court reasons. 497 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.079 I wanted to ask your opinions if you felt like 498 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.079 this was damning and how so either for Karen or 499 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.400 for the legal record to be written into the record, 500 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.920 and also for Karen's public perception. I'm curious what you 501 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.920 experts think about that. And the second part is if 502 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.000 you don't want to answer that question. The second question 503 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:03.319 that I feel just very damning is Colin Albert's photograph. 504 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:05.200 There was a photo of him with a bunch of 505 00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:10.119 buddies out and he's got, you know, clear marks on 506 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.960 each one of his knuckles where he looks like he 507 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.279 just you know, beat the shit out of somebody. And 508 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.759 he gave an explanation that he fell on the ice. 509 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.880 And so I'm wondering what your opinions are about both 510 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:21.960 of those two things. Those are the two things that 511 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:22.759 stand out to me. 512 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.279 What was the first one, because lets you do the 513 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.359 first one and then we'll we'll get the second one 514 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:28.200 in what was the first. 515 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.880 The extraction of the text from the cell phone that 516 00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:34.480 Brian Higgins pulled out. He pulled out very specific texts 517 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.359 that he wanted to be in discovery and obviously he 518 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.960 wanted them to be seen. And also what people feel 519 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.319 about Karen Reid's public perception of what was in the text. 520 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.359 What do you think the public or your opinion about 521 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:47.720 that was. Did it hurt her at all? 522 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.920 He wants to take that one, Nurse Ken, please take. 523 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.480 That, man Cowford, Do you want to go first on 524 00:29:55.119 --> 00:30:00.200 the text the text? Yeah, I'll go first. I think 525 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.440 they intended it to hurt Karen, but I think in 526 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.680 a way it didn't because I mean a lot of 527 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.200 people look at it like just in general, like this 528 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.960 guy got ghosted and he's very upset about it, and 529 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.359 I think that like it kind of backfired on them 530 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.759 in some respects. And there's also the question mark like 531 00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:20.839 how he extracted them and like what he extracted, so 532 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.880 I think it also and the fact that he apparently 533 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.200 used federal resources to do that. So I think like it, 534 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.400 like the whole thing is like most things for them 535 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:32.799 there they think that they're doing something smart, but I 536 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.039 think that they it's a cluster f for them, and 537 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:37.400 I think it's for Higgins like he could actually get 538 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.920 and a lot of legal jeopardy, I think just for 539 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:43.680 using the federal resources to do that, and maybe it 540 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.240 even raised red flags. Didn't he do it at an 541 00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:50.720 FBI of Kiosk or something like that, so maybe they 542 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.559 have all the text from that, like who knows. Like 543 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.599 it's so for me, I think it was designed. I 544 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.200 thought they think they thought it would hurt Karen, and 545 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.240 in the end people just saw it for what it was, 546 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.960 like John did something Karen wanted to make them jealous. 547 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.519 It's like, that's simple, It's like and that's all it 548 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.279 was to her. And I think that's what it really shows. 549 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.279 So I don't think it really hurt Karen. Maybe I'm 550 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.759 wrong for the jury, I don't know, but I don't 551 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:17.119 think so. 552 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:19.640 There's Kim. 553 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:25.400 Yeah, So for me, I think that well, I affectionately 554 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:29.920 call Higgins big Neck Daddy Higgins, and Dave Olaine has 555 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.599 a shirt okay, so if you guys want to see it, 556 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.799 it's a large llama with a big old neck and 557 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:42.640 some aviators. So big Neck Daddy Higgins. It absolutely was atrocious. 558 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:46.960 It's atrocious that he contacted a friend to figure out 559 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.960 how to extract the text messages because he wouldn't hand 560 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.759 over his phone. So then he goes to the FBI 561 00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:59.440 regional facility. He goes in, he uses this machinery the 562 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.519 key off that he says, any police officer can go 563 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.720 in Bibbs, not for your own personal case, right, Like, 564 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.559 this isn't something that you or your buddy were working on. 565 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.000 This is something that you're volunteering to the police to 566 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.319 figure out or to provide some evidence for them. However, 567 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.319 what was very interesting to me was that on the 568 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.279 stand he stated that he chose the text threads right 569 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:31.599 from Karen and from Officer John O'Keefe, but he also 570 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.359 confessed that he had that he had talked to Dine 571 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:40.759 text with Brian Albert Nicole Albert, and he never offered 572 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.640 that to the prosecution or to police. So for me, 573 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:48.680 that was damning to him. But the context of those 574 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.920 text messages was so cringe. 575 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:56.240 Guys, that it hurt my feelings. Okay, let's be perfectly honest. 576 00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:00.079 I was like, if somebody had presented that to me, 577 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.079 I might have said, clink, clink, send me the fuck away, 578 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.319 but send me away, excuse me, p of me, because 579 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.319 I don't know if I could have had Lally and 580 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:14.960 Brian Higgins read those text messages allowed about the weed 581 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:19.640 whacka and about you know all the things, and I'll 582 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:20.920 give you what you want. 583 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.720 I was grossed out to the hills. 584 00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.599 So, Kim, you're saying you're not allowed to use that 585 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.559 kiosk just to hide your own criminal activity. No, this is. 586 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:38.920 Really surprising resources for your own personal not good. You know, 587 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.839 it's funny, it's I just felt like, would you say embarrassed? 588 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:45.640 I felt like embarrassed from Mike my like seventh grade self, 589 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:47.839 because that that would have been me in like the 590 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.200 seventh grade. Yeah, like Higgins is just. 591 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:53.400 What do you want from me? 592 00:33:54.119 --> 00:34:00.480 What do you want from Meiggins? 593 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.640 The examination of Higgins on this kind of stuff was 594 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.400 a perfect lesson in how not to examine a witness. 595 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.280 What you just said him that was cringe. I mean, 596 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.119 listening to him for two hours read can you go 597 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.519 to page fifty four and can you go to page 598 00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.800 fifty five? And there comes a point where you're counting 599 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:22.800 the ways you know how to blow your head off 600 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:26.559 rather than listen to this. It's that bad. But to 601 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.159 the extent he thought that that was putting Karen Reid 602 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.800 in a bad light, maybe, I mean, but again, I 603 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.719 think anybody with a serious understanding of what's going on 604 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.000 could see what she was doing. She was pissed off. 605 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:41.880 Things weren't going great. But I suppose if the DA 606 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.119 thought it through more carefully, he would have realized that 607 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.280 what he's really doing is it goes back to the 608 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.960 point we got on before. This topic is arguably giving 609 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:55.119 Higgins a motive to harm John O'Keefe. So what are 610 00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.559 you doing as far as he and his criminal conduct 611 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:05.039 or whatever. The Kiosk is actually the least of his 612 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.159 problems that his testimony came out. I mean, no one's 613 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.320 getting in that much trouble for you know, going to 614 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.159 the Kiosk and dragging in his buddy. You know, they 615 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:19.119 have a that would be handled administratively. They have this 616 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.079 thing called the Office of Professional Responsibility for the FEDS. 617 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.199 They'd you know, they would punish them, but they're not. 618 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.360 You're not going to jail, you're not getting prosecuted. The 619 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.960 problem that Higgins had from his testimony is, and you 620 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.880 could tell, even though the jury wasn't told about the FBI, 621 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.920 he clearly gave interviews to the FBI and US attorney 622 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:44.920 and testified in a federal proceeding. And it's a federal 623 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.360 crime to lie or mislead the federal authorities, and he 624 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.599 clearly did because if you remember, he was arguing with 625 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.760 the attorneys about what he did and what he didn't 626 00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:01.599 and he kind of volunteered that he all so deleted 627 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.920 texts what from his father or something that he had 628 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.119 never been asked about. And he said, oh no, those 629 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.119 guys got it wrong, meaning defense, and he was trying 630 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.320 to defend this or that. You know, it caused him 631 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:17.159 to have to talk about why he would get rid 632 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.480 of all his personal data from his family. But well, 633 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.599 I used to be an undercover. This is nonsense, Okay, 634 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.760 So all of this stuff in terms of whether it 635 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.840 hurt Karen Reid, No, I think Higgins damaged himself as 636 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:36.920 much as any of these civilian witnesses. And the idea 637 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.400 that he's going to want to come back and do 638 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.719 this again if it goes that route, I would suspect 639 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.480 that he would be number one on the list of 640 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.559 those people who says, get me the hell out of here, 641 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.719 because you know, I potentially have a problem I'd rather 642 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.119 not talk about. So I don't think he did anything 643 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.440 to help them. He hurt himself and at a retrial 644 00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:56.280 will hurt him more. 645 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:02.000 Yeah, it's going to be fascinating. Who is going to 646 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.000 come and testify if this next trial comes off, but 647 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.480 I want to get the roundtable going again, so in 648 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.119 our circular pattern, So Nurse Kim, would you please present 649 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.480 your topic, question or hypothesis ma'am. 650 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.199 Yes, absolutely, thank you. 651 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:14.519 DJ. 652 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.960 I wanted to first say the only person I have 653 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.280 well besides Courtney and DJ A pleasure to meet you tonight. 654 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:26.840 But mister Peter Murphy, I have like been in awe 655 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.559 of you since I saw you on Sean's show, and 656 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:33.679 I've never met you or met you via online before. 657 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.039 So I just wanted to say thank you Surphia's service 658 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:40.639 and that I think that you are incredible, and that's 659 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.519 that I'm done, and. 660 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.000 Thank you, thank you very thank you for a vote 661 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.920 of confidence. I appreciate it very much. 662 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:48.320 Absolutely. 663 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.440 And to that point, mister Murphy, because I knew you 664 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.400 were going to be on tonight, I wanted to just 665 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:58.159 ask about We've gone into a lot of mass State 666 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:04.440 police corruption via Trooper Proctor Buchanic from you know, de 667 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.400 Chico Tully. 668 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:07.320 We could go through. 669 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:10.159 The list goes on and on, but when it comes 670 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:16.079 to Canton Police Department, I am wondering, do we believe 671 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:19.840 or what are your thoughts guys on if we thought 672 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.159 it was incompetence or malice as it related to pin 673 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:28.199 in it on the girl from the investigation standpoint of, 674 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.400 you know, six am to eight am and then not 675 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:36.960 even not even securing that crime scene right and the 676 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:42.960 use of proudly the use of solo cups and snowblower 677 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.559 and leaf blowers in the lawn, And I just wanted 678 00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:48.880 to get you a take on that. 679 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.519 Guys, I love this question. This will go Mike, Mark 680 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.280 Peter who it's really for, and then myself. 681 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:02.400 I would uh skip, because I I don't think I 682 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.480 heard the whole thing. I was expected to go to Peter, 683 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:05.280 so I just. 684 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.039 Kind of it'll it would just keep get keeping. 685 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:10.960 I don't even have like thoughts on how I would 686 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:12.599 answer it, so I would let that go to Mark, 687 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:13.480 Peter Mack. 688 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:19.800 I mean, I don't know whether people who are literally 689 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.960 responding to a crime scene immediately have it in their 690 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.800 mind to say, let's fix this. That strikes me as 691 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:31.079 just hard to believe. They don't know who anyone is. 692 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.480 Now they know who lives a thirty four fair View Road, 693 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.920 it doesn't take them long to figure out that the 694 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.159 man lying on the lawn with one shoe on is 695 00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:47.199 a police officer, including from the same department as Brian Albert, 696 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:49.159 which I would suggest, by the way, should have been 697 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.960 a curious fact of more interest to the police to 698 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.920 wonder if something was going on with that, how did 699 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.880 two Boston guys end up in that situation? But that 700 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.800 it's neither here nor there. But I think the one 701 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.159 indisputable truth in all of this is that and I 702 00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.760 say this with all due respect to distinguished alumni from 703 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.559 that department, a different department than it is now, obviously, 704 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:20.280 but that current connotation of the Canton Police as it 705 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:26.320 existed in January of twenty twenty two is disgraceful beyond 706 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:30.800 words in terms of their competence to deal with anything. 707 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.679 I understand it's not the New York City Police Department, 708 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.159 it's not the LAPD. They don't respond the homicides on 709 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.800 a daily basis, But Jesus Christ, there's a dead police 710 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:45.400 officer in the law and do something secure a crime scene? 711 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.719 Could you do that? Could you not let a few 712 00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:51.679 snow flurries and snowflakes get in the way of figuring 713 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.400 out what's going on? Could you knock on a fricking 714 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.360 door and try to see what anybody knew could you 715 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:05.360 secure evidence in any sensible way other than making I 716 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.039 mean essentially memes out of yourself. I mean there are 717 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.760 like people dressing up as solo cups and around walking 718 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:17.840 around with leaf blowers and making jokes about stop and shop. 719 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.000 I mean, this is a national TV for a case 720 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:26.079 like this. So certainly, if this is or if this 721 00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:29.119 speaks to the level of competence of the Canton Police 722 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:33.360 to handle a sophisticated crime scene of a very serious crime, 723 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.760 that's disturbing and if nothing else, it ought to lead 724 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.599 to questions about people who live in that town, about 725 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.480 the leadership of the department, the competence, And I know 726 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.239 they're trying to do audits and there's controversy over renewing 727 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.280 contracts and all that stuff, which is not really my bailwick. 728 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.760 I don't know much about any of that other than 729 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:57.159 their performance that day was disgraceful, whether it was intentional 730 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.239 or not. And the reality is that after Karen Reid 731 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.280 gets acquitted or the case gets dismissed, they're never going 732 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.280 to be able to find or do anything else with 733 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:10.320 this case. Because of how pathetic the Canton Police Department 734 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:14.000 was at the very beginning the whole case was destroyed 735 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:18.320 within a couple of hours unless they get cooperators that 736 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.639 are corroborated by other evidence. So did they do it 737 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:26.440 on purpose? Initially I doubt it, but you know, the 738 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:28.800 more you dig in though, and you realize, you know, 739 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.239 the former chief Berkowitz, Yeah, I think the evidence would 740 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.800 suggest that he did things as it relates to this 741 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.079 case that are really troubling. I don't think anybody believes 742 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.599 that he just happened to be driving by one day, 743 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.400 you know, with his thick glasses and saw you know, 744 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.320 a piece of tail light that just revealed itself to him, 745 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.159 like the two knuckleheads from the state Police claimed on 746 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.719 a daily basis. I mean, I just don't think that's believable. 747 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.000 He didn't even testify at the trial stand. He's maybe 748 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.599 not well physically, but you can't help but think that 749 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.840 maybe he was avoiding process, perhaps to be dragged in. 750 00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.719 You know, there's been a lot of conjecture that when 751 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.719 you saw the inverted video, that he was coming in 752 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.880 and out of that or it happened there. You can't 753 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.719 ignore the fact that the SUV was towed back to Canton. 754 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.239 That makes no sense, right There are State Police barracks 755 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:33.079 much closer in a blizzard, if for no other reason, 756 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.599 who the hell wants to drive? But of course if 757 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.199 you don't go to a safe place, you can't, you know, 758 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.679 do things like did ale the tail light? And mess 759 00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.039 around with video and do things like that. So when 760 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.360 you start to see after the fact, are there issues 761 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.039 with the Canton police, maybe on a corruption level. Maybe 762 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.960 certainly there's the Kevin Albert problem. What's he connected to? 763 00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.440 He's the one who was related to Katie mcglow who 764 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:03.159 just happened to be the firefighter who all of a 765 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.280 sudden heard what she heard when no one else heard it, 766 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.840 and then denied the most basic thing just to say 767 00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:12.960 I'm friends with the Alberts. She wouldn't even say that, 768 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:18.480 that harmless fact. She came to them through Kevin Albert. 769 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.280 So you do start to think that maybe something's going 770 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.760 on in the Canton Police. And the last piece of 771 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.960 evidence to support the idea that perhaps once they realized 772 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.679 what was going on, the inverted video was disclosed to 773 00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:35.960 the DA and the defense in the middle of the trial. 774 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:41.119 That makes no sense they found it then, and who 775 00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:43.639 inverted it? I mean it was in their custody, so 776 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.880 I don't think they started out that way, but either way, 777 00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:52.159 the evidence appears to be overwhelming that they are grossly incompetent, 778 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.519 destroyed the crime scene, and as the case went on, 779 00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.480 at least certain segments of the department appeared to be 780 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.559 part of dark forces that were working against truth and justice. 781 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:07.239 So either way they look terrible. 782 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.400 Thank you, awesome answer, Sergeant Murphy, this question. Everybody can't 783 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.679 wait for your answer to this, And if you need 784 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:19.880 her to restate it, Nurse kim Kin refresh. 785 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.199 I believe I can pick it up where everybody else 786 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:27.639 has left off. I think perhaps I should stop by saying, 787 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.519 if you look at my hat that is basically the 788 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.400 thin blue lines, to put the blue back the police 789 00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:40.000 hat that you'll see the flor and Order Mass Corruption 790 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.719 Unit is the antithesis of this, meaning this is corruption, 791 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:51.079 and this is inept and incompetency. And I would suggest 792 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:56.599 everybody here in the audience too that what happened, well 793 00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:01.639 better yet to speak to Mark, didn't happen that morning 794 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.480 after six oh six, when cruise has started to arrive 795 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:10.559 is something out of a Walt Disney story, a cubsco. 796 00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:12.280 One oh one. 797 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.360 I think with about an hour's worth of training, would 798 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:21.280 have been able to close the street call and help 799 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:24.719 set up a command center. This just I mean, I 800 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.199 could go through a litany of things, but one point 801 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.239 I'd like to make bring to your attention. And I've 802 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.960 thought this out at length, and it was mentioned earlier. 803 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:39.239 Why and where did Brian Higgins go from whatever time 804 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:39.679 it was? 805 00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:44.519 I don't know, twelve two something, twelve thirty to twenty 806 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:48.239 minutes past one? Is that? Are those close approximations of time? 807 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.039 I thought he left the home at two am. Somebody 808 00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.239 help help out here. If you remember Brian's timeline, I'm 809 00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:58.000 pretty sure. 810 00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.679 He was back at the station at one twenty locked 811 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.519 in one twenty, So he left. He left, let's just 812 00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:09.960 call it the crime scene sometime I believe after twelve thirty. 813 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.239 And there was that question of where did he go 814 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.000 for a forty minute plus a minus ride if he 815 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.920 was going back to move his asset four feture vehicles 816 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.880 that were at the police station, what I would say 817 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.800 or suggest he went back. He might not have had 818 00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.480 a Berna phone with him, and he went back to 819 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.400 use the unrecorded lines at fourteen ninety two Washington Street 820 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.840 to with the Canton Police Department. He might have gone 821 00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.800 back to monitor what was happening, but I think he 822 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:44.119 went back and made some calls. And I believe, I 823 00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.199 hope to believe that the Feds have those calls that 824 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:50.599 were made by him at the Canton Police station and 825 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.320 who received him sometime after twenty past one on that morning, 826 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:56.800 and I think that was the ringing of the bell 827 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.239 to move things in the direction of cover up. 828 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.519 Lord here our prayer that that an indictment comes down. 829 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.199 Just as far as as far as the crime scene investigation. 830 00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:14.239 I mean, I'll be very quick on this. What should 831 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.599 have happened was close the street, all hands on deck. 832 00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.920 UH, call to the chief, called to the chairman of 833 00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:26.159 the select board, deputy chief across the street, probably one 834 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:31.559 hundred feet well less from where the uh late John o'keith's. 835 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:31.960 Body was found. 836 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:32.760 Uh. 837 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:35.400 He was the one allegedly that handed off the solo 838 00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:36.960 cups and the stopping shop bag. 839 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:40.440 I can't understand. I can't go to bed at night 840 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:42.559 and rationalize why they. 841 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.519 Call him the second in command on the police department 842 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.440 didn't get out of his doctor Denton's and go across 843 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.440 the street and assume command of that scene, and I 844 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.079 would I would suggest to you if they close the street, 845 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:59.199 they had agents BOK and speak to this. Perhaps a circumstances. 846 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.119 It could have been more bodies. It could have been 847 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:05.960 a crime, you know, assassination. It could have been there 848 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.000 could have been more bodies in the house. Nobody went 849 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.320 in the house. Could have been five people, fifteen people 850 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:13.360 bleeding out in the house. 851 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:14.320 Nobody know anything. 852 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.119 Yeah, the thing that's interesting to me is I don't 853 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.079 know about literally exigen circumstances in the sense of like 854 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.039 going in the house, you know, guns of blazing, kicking 855 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:29.039 doors down. But to your point, the complete lack of 856 00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:34.360 intellectual curiosity by the cops that morning about a guy 857 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.360 lying on the lawn with an awkward state of clothing, 858 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.440 to say the least, in the middle of eighteen degrees 859 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:46.800 and snowing one shoe on a cocktail glass, lying in 860 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:50.800 the middle of the lawn, injuries that you know they 861 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:52.679 I mean they may not have seen the body at 862 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.199 that time, or some of them might have. That appeared 863 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.199 to be consistent with a fight, whether you know what 864 00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.719 happened or not. I mean, he looks bruised. Matter they 865 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.559 didn't see. I would assume the gash on the back 866 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:09.800 of his head. The most basic, intellectually curious police officer 867 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.960 would have known that, Well, that guy is a police 868 00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.400 officer who was coming back to that house to meet 869 00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.000 the people who were in the house. They had all 870 00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:22.920 been together, and now he's lying on the lawn. Anyone 871 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:25.880 other than you know, who lives in a world that's 872 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.400 not occupied by Michael Proctors who said to me it 873 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.719 was a car accident right away, which is just dumber 874 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:36.400 than dumb would have thought at a minimum, Well, he 875 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.559 probably came from the house. If he's got one shoe 876 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:40.559 on and he's not wearing a coat and he's holding 877 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.320 a glass. I mean, I don't think you would necessarily 878 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.800 know that glass came from a bar, as opposed to 879 00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.360 just maybe they're drinking inside, there's cars in the driveway 880 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.840 or whatever. Go knock on the door and if anything, 881 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.599 do you know what happened? Did you see anything, did 882 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.320 you hear anything? And you go from there and for 883 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.559 whatever reason, and you know, Canton, Massachusetts appears to be 884 00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.639 the one place in America where the cops are not 885 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.239 curious about that sort of thing. And when there's a 886 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.320 dead police officer on the lawn, it's the only jurisdiction 887 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.280 apparently I've ever heard of where it doesn't become an 888 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:18.920 immediate all hands on deck. We're going to rescue our 889 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.079 fallen brother and at a minimum, find out what the 890 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.920 hell happened, and if someone is responsible, they may not 891 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:28.639 have known right away that it was unnatural or wasn't 892 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:32.719 an accident, but if someone is responsible for this, we're 893 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.679 going to find out. But in Canton, which is also 894 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:43.920 known as Chinatown of twenty twenty two, nobody wants to know, because, 895 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:46.880 forget it, Jake, that's the way things are here. 896 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.559 So who wants to bet that if there were a 897 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.000 video of Karen Reid backing up and hitting this man 898 00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.960 that is that the deputy chief with the ring camera 899 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.400 across the street. Who would bet me that that video 900 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.320 would be public right now if he had a video 901 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.880 of him hitting her. The only reason that video's not 902 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:12.760 public is because it didn't show that. It showed him 903 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.320 probably exiting the car and going to the damn house. 904 00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.000 I'll take that bet from anybody. 905 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:22.119 If there was video of her mowing him down, you know, 906 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.119 this would be a whole different situation, and we're probably 907 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:27.119 not sitting here tonight having this conversation or having any 908 00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.920 of these conversations that people have been having in the 909 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:35.280 past two years. So obviously there's no such incriminating video. 910 00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.599 It's still left to be determined how. A major media 911 00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.599 station reported that there was, you know, based on other 912 00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:47.400 text messages that various members of the Albert and mccabs 913 00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:51.000 were talking about putting forth a narrative and talking about 914 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.920 their communications with other people, including Proker. Did they do it? 915 00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:58.639 I mean, look, obviously, to go back to a few 916 00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:04.559 points ago, these people indisputably were covering up something. It's 917 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.960 impossible to know exactly what they were covering up, but 918 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:11.480 normal people don't cover up things they don't know about 919 00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:18.000 or weren't involved in. So by common sense deductive reasoning happened, 920 00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.320 and they knew it, and they didn't want other people 921 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.079 to know it to know it, and that's troubling. 922 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:27.800 There's a I'm sorry, no, please. 923 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:28.679 The. 924 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.800 I mean, if we go with the promise that maybe 925 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.760 some phone calls were made by Brian Higgins when he 926 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.440 got back to the PD on the secret squirrel phone, 927 00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:42.039 if we go with that, I'm going to suggest that 928 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.800 first arriving officer with the scene had probably the most 929 00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:53.800 opportunity to take some pictures, footprints, footprints perhaps up to 930 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.519 the up or out from the front door or the 931 00:53:56.559 --> 00:54:01.360 back of the house. There was just a abundance of opportunity 932 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:06.719 there to gather and collect evidentiary information via just a 933 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:07.800 cell phone camera. 934 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:11.559 But you didn't like the photos that they took the 935 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.079 snow like, without even objects in the background to show 936 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.639 you where on the lawn or where in relation to anything. 937 00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:21.960 You didn't like that just a few pictures like a 938 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.159 three year old if they took your iPhone would take. 939 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:25.840 It's disgraceful. 940 00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:29.039 Not only that, but here's another thought. That crime scene 941 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:32.159 was at thirty four to favu. If he had a 942 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.039 glass in his hand and got hit at twenty four 943 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.880 miles an hour by a six thousand pound vehicle, I 944 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.440 would bet my pension in thirty four years of training experience, 945 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.840 that he didn't hold onto that glass and there would 946 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.599 have been tire tracks to send him twenty feet up 947 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:48.239 into the lawn that would have had to go in 948 00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.480 at an angle, otherwise he would have spun. 949 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:55.840 And we know that there. 950 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:55.679 Was no trauma to his body that would make it 951 00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:58.519 consistent with being hit by that vehicle and The other 952 00:54:58.599 --> 00:54:59.360 point I'd. 953 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.880 Like to make is that that crime scene was not 954 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:03.400 only a thirty four mark. 955 00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:08.039 But it was also him being transported John o'keith being 956 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:10.719 transported in that ambulance. He was part of the crime scene. 957 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.840 They cut all his clothing off. I have done this myself. 958 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:18.559 I have directed people to ride in an ambulance of 959 00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:23.039 the victim in cases the dying deconstration, a dying declaration. 960 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.039 What if his body temperature came back enough so he 961 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:28.480 said I know who did it, or made a statement, 962 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.400 they should have been a police officer in the ambulance 963 00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:32.239 all the. 964 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:33.119 Way to the hospital. 965 00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:35.239 Those clothes never would have ended up in a pile 966 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.440 next to troop of practice feeded later in the day 967 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:39.800 and contaminated. 968 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.440 I mean, it was a shit show from so many 969 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:45.239 so bad. 970 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:50.000 It's so bad that investigation that, in my opinion, it 971 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:51.639 had to be intentional. 972 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.119 Right, And you could even flip flip the investigation on 973 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.719 its head and kind of challenge what the DA considers 974 00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.400 their strongest evidence. You know, I hit him, I hit him, 975 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:05.199 I hit them, and the various connotations. I mean, it's 976 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.599 actually very inconsistent from the people and the timing, But 977 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.639 the most damning. Part of all of those is putting 978 00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:14.239 aside Jennifer mccab because that's a whole nother story with her, 979 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.719 you know, her evolution of nothing to what she claims now. 980 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.840 But all of those police officers that were on scene, 981 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.400 I'm talking literally when the nine one to one call 982 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.039 went in. They're not part of any cover up. They're 983 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:33.280 just there to literally, you know, respond, look for something. 984 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:39.159 And if a woman is running around hysterically drunk as 985 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.320 it were, according to them, saying I hit him, I 986 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:46.239 hit him, I hit him, then you know this as 987 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:49.719 you know thirty four years in this game, and what 988 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.599 police officers do because they are inherently suspicious and want 989 00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:58.079 to learn things. Somebody would have pulled her aside, even 990 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:02.000 if she's hysterical, and at least try to say what 991 00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.639 do you mean, like can you just tell me? Or 992 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.559 would have pulled aside Jennifer McCabe or the other woman 993 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.360 they were with and said what is she talking about? 994 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.039 Do you have and right then, and there would have 995 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:14.400 been the chance for McCabe to say, oh my god, 996 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.679 she said she ran him over. Nobody did that. Nobody 997 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:22.079 even tried after the fact. Did you watch him? Did 998 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.960 you you know, smash a glass over his head? Did 999 00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.079 you back into him with a car. They just ignore it, 1000 00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:34.320 all of it, which tends to suggest she didn't say it. 1001 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:36.719 It was an epiphany. It was an epiphany the cave. 1002 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.159 Later to Jim McCabe, I hit him, I hit him, 1003 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.280 And there's permutations of she said it twice, three times, 1004 00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:44.119 four times. I hit him, hit him, I hit him, 1005 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.280 hit him, and him him. You know, it just went 1006 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.639 on and on. So it's just absurd. But they had 1007 00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:51.119 to make sure it sounded. It had to be multiple 1008 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.599 times so it sound hysterical. So now I'm going to 1009 00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:57.039 answer Kim's questions my turn. Then we're going to Mike 1010 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.199 for his topic question or hypothesis. And before I I 1011 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.599 want to say thank you everybody for coming and joining 1012 00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:05.119 us today. I appreciate it. 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We're gonna 1022 00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.920 lean on Peter for our next investigation, and it's probably 1023 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.639 gonna take us, at least being that I've just moved. 1024 00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:43.159 It is probably gonna take us a month or more 1025 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:47.320 to put out what probably could be like a five episode, 1026 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.880 four or five episode series on this case. Anyway, So 1027 00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:56.440 Nurse Kim my explanation or at least my take on 1028 00:58:56.480 --> 00:59:00.199 what you've presented here today. Although I believe I'm a 1029 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:03.800 very kind person. I even teach yoga, I am not 1030 00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:10.320 as charitable about people being let's just say not professional 1031 00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.239 or in terms of investigation, I believe that there are 1032 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.559 willful things that happened, and I don't because then I 1033 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.400 have to think somebody stupid and incompetent, and I just 1034 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.239 don't believe that. I don't think the Canton police officers 1035 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:33.599 are necessarily wilful or unprofessional. I believe the wilful part 1036 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.679 of it was Mike Procter saying I'm not knocking on 1037 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:41.199 that door, and the Kenton police officers, obviously the way 1038 00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.000 they collected the evidence if you listen to duty Run 1039 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.679 and ed ed, they're going to say they are just 1040 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:50.840 absolutely sickened by the way that the crime scene was processed, 1041 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:54.760 which I'm sure Peter is as well, but I believe 1042 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:58.599 a lot of those things were wilful. Sean McDonough reported, 1043 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:03.000 maybe through Peter, that John o'keef's car was repaired. You 1044 01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:06.679 think that was an accident that she backs into his 1045 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:08.880 vehicle and maybe there's a dent, and we got to 1046 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.199 pull that dent out because we don't want the defense 1047 01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.039 to see this vehicle and see that maybe it was damaged. 1048 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:19.199 So as Shannon McMahon, the former I think she was 1049 01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:24.320 a former, might help me out prosecutor in Bristol at 1050 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.480 eighty and Bristol, she said, this is a thing where 1051 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:31.039 we're talking about concentric circles. There's one thing we're not 1052 01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:33.280 going to knock on the door because we don't want 1053 01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:37.280 Brian out quote jammed up in this thing. And then 1054 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.280 we start from there, and then it okay, what's the 1055 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:41.239 next thing we got to do. Now we gotta have 1056 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.559 form a hypothesis, all right, she you know he didn't 1057 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.079 come in the house, all right, Now we got to 1058 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:48.880 do something else. Willful. We gotta find tail light. We 1059 01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.760 gotta get tail light there, because the initial officers didn't 1060 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:55.519 see anything at all a broken tail light. They saw 1061 01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.760 no pieces of tail light. So that's what everybody out 1062 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:01.320 there who's in this chat right now that thinks this 1063 01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:05.360 is a load of crap. The initial officers from Canton 1064 01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.599 who had the crime scene before they abandoned it, did 1065 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.840 not find tail light. The tail light had to make 1066 01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:14.920 its way there, and that is what we don't know 1067 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:18.760 exactly what happened. Peter, we'll probably speak to later when 1068 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:21.760 we get to the free conversation part of So that's 1069 01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.320 my take, mister Crawford, Sir. 1070 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:31.519 I guess I want to go to the inorganic pr 1071 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:36.199 campaign that the District Attorney has created, and I think 1072 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.199 that it doesn't get reported enough, and I think it 1073 01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.320 goes back to even like for me, this is personal, 1074 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:46.039 maybe more of a hypothesis in some ways, but I 1075 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:48.280 do have some leads on it. I do have like 1076 01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:50.800 a source, let's just put it that way. And I 1077 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:54.039 also have myself what they did to me back in 1078 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:59.480 December twenty twenty three January twenty twenty four, the District 1079 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.840 Attorneys Office in the mass State police started threatening me 1080 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:07.599 through one of their snitch informats who is now the 1081 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:11.800 head of the Justice for JJ group, right, and this 1082 01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:16.719 person has is a criminal. I mean they called me 1083 01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:19.920 a criminal back in December and January on their little 1084 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:24.719 talk shows. I wasn't charged they were, so I think. 1085 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.719 My thing is, I feel like I never expected I've 1086 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:30.679 never seen anything like this. They did it to Aiden, 1087 01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:32.639 they did it to Turtle Boy, they tried to do 1088 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.840 it to me. I went and got a criminal defense 1089 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:37.840 attorney and I told them that I had a defense 1090 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:40.199 attorney and I wasn't going to talk to their sergeant 1091 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:43.480 mass State Police Tully, like Kate Peter wanted me to, 1092 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.320 like Grant Smith had been threatening me that I was 1093 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.039 a criminal. These people are organized. They were organized by 1094 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:55.760 Troub from the District Attorney's office, with Michael Morrissey's approval, 1095 01:02:56.039 --> 01:03:01.960 with Michael Proctor, that whole crew there, Sergeant Tully Bucockic. 1096 01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:06.360 They have gone after people for posting on social media. 1097 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.800 They have gone to people's houses. They have gone to 1098 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:12.719 people's houses who have left voice bails or you know, 1099 01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:17.639 emails or messages. This is organized and I just I 1100 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:20.960 want to kind of can you believe that they do 1101 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.679 this Number one, like, I never thought a district Attorney's 1102 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.760 office would do a PR campaign, would try to recruit 1103 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:31.920 people from YouTube, would put pressure on someone like myself 1104 01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:35.039 who really did nothing wrong except report news and have 1105 01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:36.280 people on his show. 1106 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:38.119 And has great hair, by the way. 1107 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:41.119 And they wanted to silence me. That's another thing they 1108 01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:44.239 wanted to silence aiden. They wanted to silence us all 1109 01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:47.719 they were telling us not to use Lindsay's name in public. 1110 01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:50.599 And I even repeated this stuff. I started getting scared. 1111 01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:53.599 I got very scared, Like I really, I've been doing 1112 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:58.559 activism politics for twenty five years. I've been part of 1113 01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:02.239 ballot campaigns, want free initiatives for cannabis I was part of. 1114 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.400 I've been heavily involved in this stuff. I've never been sued, 1115 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:08.400 I've never been threatened like this. I've gone after major corporations. 1116 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.119 This is not like nothing I've ever seen. And it 1117 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:14.079 came from the District attorney and the mass State Police. 1118 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.599 And I just like when I see them in their 1119 01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:20.800 blue shirts, when I see them get platform by even 1120 01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:23.519 I think NBC ten, who I think are doing actually 1121 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:27.440 a better job than most. But the story's not getting through. 1122 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:31.960 This is a district attorney backed campaign. Kevin yellow Cottage 1123 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:35.280 tales he I'm convinced he made a deal. I'm convinced 1124 01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:38.719 Grant Smith made a deal. I know that Coffin Daffer 1125 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:43.280 got recruited. We saw Gretchen Voss talking about getting burger. 1126 01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:46.039 She seems like she got recruited too. These people have 1127 01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:51.039 been recruited and they have a fake grassroots group that 1128 01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:54.480 they call themselves. They got Kimberly Fair out there, but 1129 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:56.320 no one in the media is telling that story. That 1130 01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:01.159 Kimberly Fair got fired from her job, asses people daily 1131 01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:04.400 tries to get them fired from their jobs, and that 1132 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:08.159 she has two libel cases against her. They don't talk 1133 01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:11.559 about Kate Peter's criminals. Like, so, how do we get 1134 01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.599 this message out to the media. How inorganic it is 1135 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:18.840 the mainstream media, the TV cameras, because we're talking about 1136 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:20.639 it on YouTube, people on Twitter. 1137 01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:20.760 No. 1138 01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:24.000 But I just and even even within our you know, 1139 01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:26.119 with the people that know, I don't think we talk 1140 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.440 about it enough in the right way. So I just 1141 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:30.280 want some feedback on all of that. 1142 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:35.000 I just want to say I'm sorry that you're having 1143 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:36.639 to deal with this. I have heard etail. 1144 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:39.519 Anymore, not anymore. I feel very good now, like I 1145 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:42.400 feel very confident and everything good. This was in December 1146 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:44.679 and January, and it did it. I messed with me, 1147 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:47.320 But once I had that criminal defense attorney, I felt 1148 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.960 a lot better. And uh, I think that that's my 1149 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.679 advice to anybody. If you get any pressure, don't talk 1150 01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:57.880 to them. Yeah, call me. We'll get you somebody. I 1151 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.840 will get you somebody. I know enough chorneys. I will 1152 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:03.239 find someone. If you need a budget, will find your 1153 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.599 budget attorney. If you got the money, we'll find the 1154 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.119 most expensive one, whatever you need. I mean, that's that's. 1155 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:09.400 Where I am. 1156 01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.079 I will go to bath for anyone in that similar situation. 1157 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.199 Can I say, what's a sad irony about this? Mike? 1158 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:19.159 A sad irony about this is that all the evidence 1159 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:22.800 we talked about organic and inorganic, All the evidence for 1160 01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:27.519 Karen is all organic evidence, and all the evidence against 1161 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.800 Karen is all synthetic, man made evidence. 1162 01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:35.480 It's all DA backed, it's all massed eight police back. 1163 01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:38.679 These people are backed, like you know, you know who's 1164 01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:39.679 buying those T shirts? 1165 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:46.360 How about Turtle Boys communications? Wasn't there request by uh 1166 01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.360 somebody in council asking his communications between his lawyer to 1167 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:55.960 be open. And that's also I think, very very atypical. 1168 01:06:57.119 --> 01:06:59.599 I've weaponized and I feel like we've done the same thing. 1169 01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:03.039 I can't too the elected officials and the police department 1170 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:07.559 against the citizens. They've weaponized the government against journalists and citizens. 1171 01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:10.079 That's what I feel like. On the DA level and 1172 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:12.760 even in the town accain, I just. 1173 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:15.280 Want to say, we're going to get to every misadventure. 1174 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:17.360 We're going to get to you, but let it attorney 1175 01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:18.840 better or take down. We'll go around the table. 1176 01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:21.239 Yes, sir, you're right about one thing, because I saw 1177 01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.320 a video recently, just in doing my own research about 1178 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:29.199 another case where the prosecutor, with a straight face, did 1179 01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:34.199 go to court and say that his communications with his 1180 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:38.559 attorney should be monitored by a third party. And when 1181 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:42.400 you say that that's not common, it's not that it's 1182 01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:48.679 not common, it's virtually unprecedented unless you're charging someone with 1183 01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:54.519 being an international terrorist who is threatening to literally blow 1184 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:57.440 up the world, and there's reason to believe that he's 1185 01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:01.480 going to use his attorney as a vessel to communicate messages. 1186 01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:04.920 So the idea that in you know, the year twenty 1187 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:08.199 twenty four, you could hear a prosecutor with a straight 1188 01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:11.320 face tell a judge that you should not allow attorney 1189 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:15.960 client communications to go without a third party listening is 1190 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:19.000 as coffka esque as anything could ever get. I mean, 1191 01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:23.279 this is like, I mean, this is I'm sorry for 1192 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.079 all the cliches, but it's Orwellian. I mean, it's right 1193 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:29.159 out of George Orwell and Coofka. 1194 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:31.720 If you like that, I like a good Ka reference 1195 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:36.159 with the beatle in the corner and another one. 1196 01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:40.439 Read the Trial by Franz Kafka and that, I mean 1197 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:43.479 just the like nightmare. Karen Reid should read the Trial 1198 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:48.079 by Cofka. Someone should send her a copy. To Mike's point, 1199 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:51.319 you know, have you ever seen a prosecutor, you know, 1200 01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.039 try to have a pr machine, oh, all the time, 1201 01:08:54.239 --> 01:09:00.720 every day. What I have not seen is for a 1202 01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:04.760 prosecutor to do it in such a clumsy, embarrassing, inefficient 1203 01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:11.399 fashion as these people. And if they're recruiting voices by 1204 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.239 you know, sending liaisons to the island of the Misfit 1205 01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:20.239 Toys to recruit these weirdos to you know, pass their 1206 01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:24.159 messages along and you know, do all these things. I 1207 01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:27.479 can't speak to what deals or this or that, but 1208 01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:32.000 the idea that these are the people that they're somehow 1209 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.399 recruiting and have gone all in to pass the message. 1210 01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:40.079 It's very interesting because putting aside, you know, you mentioned 1211 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:45.079 some specific names. Putting aside, you know, the Towel Grant 1212 01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:50.119 because he's in his own class. Look, he's the child 1213 01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.119 of Wendy Murphy. Nothing more need be said about him. 1214 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:57.439 That's discrediting without more. But the other people or some 1215 01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.319 of the other people that you've mentioned you used to 1216 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:04.479 be either supporters or advocates for Karen Reid's innocence until 1217 01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:09.319 they weren't. And did they find true crime, you know, 1218 01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:14.039 Jesus injustice or did they decide that they hated someone 1219 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:17.479 else who brings in all the other people that you're 1220 01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.439 talking about. So they're not serious people. They shouldn't be 1221 01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:25.319 taken seriously. They should all just be marginalized for the 1222 01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.880 again that they come from the island of the misfit toys. 1223 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:33.960 They're not serious. They have an agenda. They have a 1224 01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:37.199 knee jerk reaction to accuse everyone they like is either 1225 01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:41.560 being stupid or grifting is the word of the word 1226 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:46.760 of the day with these people. But to go back 1227 01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:50.159 to what you're saying the DA is doing to go 1228 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:54.520 after journalists because they don't like what you're saying online 1229 01:10:54.640 --> 01:11:00.680 or in other formats. Is it's cougha esquell, and you're 1230 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:02.680 back to that. So there seems to be a pattern 1231 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:06.800 coming out of this office and the way you know, 1232 01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:10.800 they've indicted one journalist as you know, which I'm not 1233 01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.560 going to talk about for other reasons, but you know 1234 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:15.720 what they're doing to you, what they're doing to other people, 1235 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.600 that's not supposed to happen in America. You know, journalists 1236 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:21.840 do what they want, they say what they want in 1237 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:25.760 a way that it can be offensive, it can be discomforting. 1238 01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:29.359 But this is a case that's of public interest, a 1239 01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:34.119 matter of public concern. There's alleged corruption going on here. 1240 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:37.800 Most people believe that, I mean, that's what journalists do, 1241 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:41.960 and for them to behave like this is not something 1242 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:44.680 that you should be seeing in America in twenty twenty four. 1243 01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:48.560 It's what you would see, you know, in Germany in 1244 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.600 the nineteen thirties and the Soviet Union, you know, before 1245 01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:56.119 the Berlin Wall fell. Not to get all historical on people, 1246 01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:59.600 but this is crazy that a District Attorney's office would 1247 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:03.119 treat journalists and news gatherers in that way. But as 1248 01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:06.039 far as how to get the message out, you just 1249 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:10.880 have to talk to reporters, mainstream reporters, and I would 1250 01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:13.359 think if they knew what we're talking about, what Mike 1251 01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:16.279 was talking about, that they would be quite interested in that, 1252 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.840 and at a minimum, they probably would stop platforming some 1253 01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:22.800 of these people and putting them on if they knew 1254 01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:25.880 what kind of baggage they were actually bringing to the 1255 01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:29.720 table in terms of their own credibility problems. So I 1256 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.880 think it's just getting the word out to the right people. 1257 01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:39.880 Yeah, it's a great, great point, markets and news flash 1258 01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:42.319 to everybody. There's journalists out there that aren't on a 1259 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.920 television station now. So just kind of get that in 1260 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:48.800 your crosscheck, as we used to say in aviation. Put 1261 01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:52.319 that in your crosscheck. Not everybody belongs to an NBCABC, 1262 01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:56.159 CVS or cable news affiliate. We are journalists as well, 1263 01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.359 Mas him, even a meathead like me, Peter MURV. Would 1264 01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:01.800 you please take that question from. 1265 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:06.760 It, Okay, bring that back to me again. 1266 01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:10.800 Please can you summarize it, Mike? 1267 01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:15.399 I guess, uh, just what are your thoughts on that 1268 01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:19.159 they've weaponized the town of Canton against the citizens, and 1269 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:22.880 they weaponize the DA against journalists basically in the mass 1270 01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:27.439 state police against Aiden. Even myself Katie was stretted, like 1271 01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:31.520 the just random people on Twitter and Facebook have gotten 1272 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:34.600 visits from PROC from uh who is it? Bukaki? 1273 01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:37.840 Yeah recently, So what are. 1274 01:13:37.720 --> 01:13:39.960 Your thoughts on that? And how do we how do 1275 01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:42.600 we how do we expose it too? Because I feel 1276 01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:46.079 like they've weaponized this group of people and it's a 1277 01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:49.239 front group. It's an inorganic front group, those people and 1278 01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:53.079 the Blue Shirts, and it's not real. We know what 1279 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:56.079 it is, but the media is acting like they're a 1280 01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:59.920 real group, like they're really concerned, when mostly they're either 1281 01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:04.399 mcalberts or people that have had bad articles written about 1282 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:07.760 them by Turtle Boy for being idiots, for being losers, 1283 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:10.800 like these are people who have abused animals. These are 1284 01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:13.760 people who have been fired for you know, being a 1285 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.720 school teacher's aide Kimberly fair and said some of the 1286 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:20.239 worst things you can ever say on social media and 1287 01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:21.279 she got fired over it. 1288 01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:22.560 Like you know, she's a doxer. 1289 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:26.399 Yeah, she's do and all she does all day is 1290 01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:30.000 harassed people and docs people and then claims she's a victim, 1291 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.840 and she's on television and a blue shirt saying she's 1292 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:36.640 for justice for JJ. But it's in organic, all created 1293 01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:39.560 by the DA, the mass d A police, and the 1294 01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:40.800 haters of Turtle Boy. 1295 01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:43.239 No, I agree. I agree. 1296 01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:46.000 If that question is still directed at me, I agree 1297 01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:52.199 it is DJ that certainly the system is weaponized. I 1298 01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:54.520 have seen it firsthand. I have been a victim of 1299 01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:58.600 it firsthand, where I have had people tell me from 1300 01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:02.279 the police departments still one offices at the time, you 1301 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.199 really shouldn't come to Canton to attend that funeral for 1302 01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:09.439 the fallen officer who passed away that you worked with 1303 01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:12.319 for over twenty years, because there is a target on 1304 01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:12.960 your back. 1305 01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:19.199 Peter Murphy, somebody said that to you. Correct, Wow, you 1306 01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:20.159 about it? 1307 01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:21.239 What's that? 1308 01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:23.920 I said? You know all about it. You're on the 1309 01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:24.720 front lines of it. 1310 01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.239 And there are several instances that I've been told I 1311 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:31.319 don't have re seats in hand per se from the 1312 01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:37.439 victim or the recipient of that particular interaction that police 1313 01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:44.239 officers have gone to doors, made contacts outreached in retaliation 1314 01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:47.319 for And I'm not this goes more. Perhaps the both 1315 01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:55.520 departments stayed in local for comments and just general activity 1316 01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:56.680 the audit. 1317 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:01.239 Voting for the audit is just an on going people 1318 01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:01.800 are afraid. 1319 01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:03.600 I've had people say to me, boy, I'd like to 1320 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:07.079 get involved, but I am terrified. I have kids in school, 1321 01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:10.840 and I don't dare step outside the four corners of 1322 01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:12.880 the page because I know it'll come back. 1323 01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.279 Look at the their dow attack of Kathleen Howley, like 1324 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:19.600 she's there there. Looks like they're like, she posted a 1325 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.479 long post about what she's going through right now that 1326 01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.199 these women and Knon were sent threatening letters in the 1327 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:28.079 US postal mail, they think they know where they came from. 1328 01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:31.159 This was months back, You can't. Police didn't do anything 1329 01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:34.720 about it, and now it looks like they're they're investigating. 1330 01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:40.079 They're actually doing a fake investigation of Kathleen about it. Well, 1331 01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:42.279 one of the people who receive the letters that that's 1332 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:44.920 been a vocal opponent of the Canton police. 1333 01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:48.399 Let me just add one one comment to that, Mike, 1334 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:52.800 and I again, I know one particular letter that was 1335 01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:57.880 flwarded and investigated by the Sheriff's department and fingerprinted of 1336 01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:00.680 one of the five women I guess or six docs. 1337 01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:04.840 I cannot speak officially at this point in time that 1338 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:09.199 the other recipients or victims of those letters have in 1339 01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:14.520 fact brought them forward to a law enforcement agency, whether 1340 01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:19.319 it be Canton or Sheriff's Department forensics for checking fingerprints. 1341 01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:24.399 There was a point in time I believe that only one. 1342 01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:27.840 Letter had gone forward and been brought forward to the 1343 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:31.880 Sheriff's Department and the Canton Police Department, and it appeared 1344 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:36.319 that they did due diligence to try to, you know, 1345 01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:37.920 extract anything they could from that. 1346 01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:39.880 Now, as you know, they. 1347 01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:44.439 Have been recently three attacks of bleach being thrown on 1348 01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:49.359 people's lawns and malicious damage to property. My understanding is 1349 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:53.760 that has all been forwarded for forensic analysis as well. 1350 01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:58.159 We'll see what comes out of that. 1351 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:05.079 From my standpoint, Mike, I'm kinda I'm kind of sickened 1352 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:07.560 by what's happened, and it kind of like takes me 1353 01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:10.479 back to basic training. Now I went, and I know, 1354 01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:13.000 like I had a whole twenty one year career in 1355 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:15.800 the Air Force, but I think back to my TI 1356 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:18.880 from basic training, and I'm no angel, and nobody on 1357 01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:21.880 this channel and nobody in the chat is necessarily an 1358 01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:24.359 angel who has always done the right thing. But when 1359 01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:27.840 it comes to these critical moments, these decisions in your life. 1360 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:31.319 My t I said, do what you know to be right, 1361 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.520 do what you know to be right. And when I 1362 01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:38.920 was at Dean I went to Dean College. I was 1363 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:42.760 a law enforcement major, and my professor said, we enforced 1364 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:48.520 the law and we follow the law. And those two 1365 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:52.600 things have stuck with me relative to this and one 1366 01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:54.880 of the things that I discovered that was really painful 1367 01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:57.720 in life. You know, Mike, Mike's a dog person. I'm 1368 01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:01.199 a dog and cat person. And these animal love unconditionally 1369 01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:03.439 and they would never do anything to hurt you. All 1370 01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:06.000 they want is that you feed them, shelter them, and 1371 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:07.960 love them. And they don't care what you look like. 1372 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:11.479 They don't care what your financial account statement says. They 1373 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:13.720 don't care if you're fat or if you're thin, or 1374 01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:15.600 how good looking you are. They don't care. They just 1375 01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:18.439 love you. And that's what's amazing about them. But I've 1376 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:21.640 found out that there are people in life that will 1377 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:26.760 lie and hurt you. I found that out firsthand that 1378 01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:32.560 even in the military industrial complex in which I've worked 1379 01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:37.279 as active duty and other roles, people will lie and 1380 01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:41.239 hurt you. And that's what they're doing. People will lie 1381 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:44.319 and see you go to jail and ruin your life, 1382 01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:47.159 and they'll be okay with it as long as they 1383 01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:50.520 can still drive their car and go to soccer games 1384 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:52.720 and do whatever it is that they do, go and 1385 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:56.880 drink beers at these establishments or whatever they are comfortable doing. 1386 01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:00.840 That I couldn't live with myself. Nobody on this panel 1387 01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:05.680 could live with themselves if they lied and ruined somebody's life. 1388 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:07.760 And that's what I think the other side is doing. 1389 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:10.239 And I think we just need to keep doing what 1390 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:13.600 we're doing. And I told somebody on Twitter today as 1391 01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:18.199 far as Aidan Carney is concerned, I don't think like 1392 01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:20.760 Aiden and I would see eye to eye on a 1393 01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:23.840 whole lot of issues. But this is a man of 1394 01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:28.840 courage and uncommon valor, and I don't care if you 1395 01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:31.319 agree or disagree with them. I disagree with them on 1396 01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:35.159 some stuff, but that's immaterial to the discussion because we 1397 01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:37.600 need to be able to look at people in the 1398 01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:41.680 full spectrum and not just try to see everybody. This 1399 01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:44.560 person's this, that person's that. Look at my Twitter handle, 1400 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:49.600 it says BLM, Black Lives Matter plus love. That's not 1401 01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:55.239 an act. There because I believe in both things, and 1402 01:20:55.319 --> 01:20:57.640 so I think we just need to keep doing what 1403 01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:01.960 we're doing. Mi uh. And Aiden is a courageous, courageous 1404 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:04.319 man who goes down into the belly of the beast 1405 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:07.600 and Canton because he wanted to investigate that stupid claim 1406 01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:10.319 about driving up over the hill that would have shown 1407 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:13.880 John ascending or descending stairs, which is just the height 1408 01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:19.159 of ridiculous absurdity. But he went and did it and 1409 01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:22.000 he wasn't scared. Now he probably won't because you know, 1410 01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:23.880 he doesn't know what will happen and who you know, 1411 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:25.880 as Peter has talked about who's going to turn up 1412 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:27.920 and how many minutes they are going to take before 1413 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.520 some degenerate is touching his girlfriend in a fight with him. 1414 01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:34.840 But I love what what what we all are doing here, 1415 01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:38.319 and the way that Aiden does it is he fights 1416 01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:40.960 fire with fire, you know, and that's what we have 1417 01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:46.600 to do and try to expose these people. Next person 1418 01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:50.479 is Attorney Mark Better. And we're gonna get to your 1419 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:54.560 question at thinking after we finished the next two court 1420 01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:56.920 because you got another question, tourney Mark Bretter, what is 1421 01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.039 your topic HYPOTHESI or quest Joan for the. 1422 01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:05.560 In full disclosure. I didn't do the homework assignment. I'm 1423 01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:10.640 coming up with this on the fall. That's okay, But 1424 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.600 this seems to be interesting, especially this is always to 1425 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.399 me much more fascinating with with non lawyers who just 1426 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:21.920 trial watch but know what's going on with this. And 1427 01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:25.600 so my my question is, in the event that there 1428 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:28.279 is a retrial, which I don't necessarily believe there will be, 1429 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:31.840 But if there were, what do you want to see 1430 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:33.720 the defense do differently? 1431 01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:40.479 Oh, that goes to mister Murphy. Sergeant Murphy first, sir, Well, there's. 1432 01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:41.840 There were a lot of. 1433 01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:48.000 Facts, I guess, and evidence that that stuck out in 1434 01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:51.920 my mind that didn't didn't get brought in for whatever reason, 1435 01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:56.439 And I guess one of them would be and I 1436 01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:58.520 don't know that they tried to serve him and were 1437 01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:01.920 unable to locate him, but I thought maybe Chief Berkowitz 1438 01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:08.520 should have been brought in, certainly as a witness by the. 1439 01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:12.680 Defense to hear from him. I think. 1440 01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:18.039 One other bit of evidence was that there appeared to 1441 01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:20.600 be no discussion at all about the three leaders of 1442 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:22.760 blood that apparently. 1443 01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:24.680 Was never located. 1444 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:29.279 You can't tell me that a head wound, a head 1445 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:35.680 wound by whatever. Well, let's go back one. There's nothing 1446 01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:38.159 on that car that caused that the injuries on that arm. 1447 01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:40.760 There's nothing on that car that caused the hemotoma in 1448 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:44.359 his head and the laceration three inch flaceration in the back. 1449 01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:46.439 Of his head. And there was no blunt trauma from 1450 01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:48.000 the flabacle down to his ankle. 1451 01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:51.640 So he didn't get hit by a car. But he 1452 01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:55.640 certainly apparently lost three leaders of blood. And he didn't 1453 01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:57.119 leave it in the snow, and he didn't leave it 1454 01:23:57.159 --> 01:23:57.680 on the ground. 1455 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:01.640 So where is it? And I don't know why they 1456 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:02.439 didn't bring that in. 1457 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:06.319 And I will say that there were a couple of 1458 01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:08.359 things that they left out, and I think they might 1459 01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:12.960 have left out intentionally, but I don't know why. Maybe 1460 01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:18.760 Mark can revisit that, but I, you know, there's there's 1461 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:22.960 just some other things that I can't really put my 1462 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:23.880 hand on it right now. 1463 01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:25.239 But that's one of the ideas. 1464 01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:30.319 Brilliant, brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I haven't heard that mentioned. I 1465 01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:32.920 think I may have heard that mentioned once, but it's 1466 01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:35.960 been a while. That is a great, great point from 1467 01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:39.840 my from my answer, Mark would be and I alluded 1468 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:43.600 to this today on Twitter because, as you pointed out, 1469 01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:47.000 I mean they could have gone more to the reasonable doubt. 1470 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:49.239 And I think some of your colleagues it might have 1471 01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:51.720 been a brother something. I'm trying to remember what his 1472 01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:56.119 name is. Uh, he's an attorney. Where's Yamaka? I remember 1473 01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:58.600 what his name is. You know who I'm talking about. 1474 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.439 I think he's in Michigan and brother Counsel. Is that 1475 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:01.880 his name? 1476 01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:06.640 Brother counsel? Excellent, Yes, and he really is. I think 1477 01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:08.640 he may have said that that the defense may have 1478 01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:13.720 shouldered some of the burden by presenting a hypothesis that 1479 01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.840 the jury needed to buy into, and that they really 1480 01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:19.720 took on some of that burden that was really should 1481 01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:22.800 have been on the prosecution as opposed to the defense. 1482 01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:27.079 But after watching it today, and I know everybody here 1483 01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:29.960 is a huge fan of Alan Jackson, as I am, 1484 01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:32.560 I would want that guy's my advocate, and like I 1485 01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:35.640 said also on Twitter, I'm sure he respects you just 1486 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:39.479 as much, Mark, But for me, I would really like 1487 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:44.199 to see them engage mister Weinberg specifically because of I 1488 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:48.720 don't feel that as an impartial that judge bev as 1489 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:51.479 perhaps you do, and I realize you may be making 1490 01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:54.399 an argument in front of her. So you you, you know, 1491 01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:57.439 can't really say much, but I just don't feel that 1492 01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:01.279 she's truly impartial. She has that kind of towny vibe. 1493 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:05.319 She seems very partial to Adam Lally. To me, this 1494 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:07.600 is just now I'm going off of. You know, I've 1495 01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:10.039 never no law training. I'm just telling you how I 1496 01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:12.199 feel as a as an EmPATH. 1497 01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:13.199 And most people agree with you. 1498 01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:17.359 I mean that's yes, and just as an EmPATH, I 1499 01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:20.720 feel that way. And so she wants to be here. 1500 01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:24.159 She she you know, she could have recused herself and 1501 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:26.720 should have, but she wants to be in the linelight. 1502 01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:29.319 She wants to do this. She wants to you know, 1503 01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:32.239 as you guys and Melanie, your buddy, talks about all 1504 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:35.199 the time, I alone get to make this decision. You know, 1505 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:38.119 something analogous to that that she loved to recite over 1506 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:41.920 and over. And I think that mister Weinberg would do 1507 01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:44.479 a lot better. Not only would Judge bev I would 1508 01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:49.439 like to see him cross examine those with specific strategic witnesses. 1509 01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:51.960 If not that, you know, if you're going to have 1510 01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:56.720 all three attorneys there and four including miss I believe 1511 01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:00.399 I would want to see him because I think he's 1512 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.880 going to have more favor with Judge Bev. I don't 1513 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:06.960 think she likes Jackson. I think that's obvious. I don't 1514 01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:09.760 think she likes Karen. That's a little bit too obvious. 1515 01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:11.840 So that's what I would like to see. I would 1516 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:13.640 like to bring in Weinberg and use some of that 1517 01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:18.359 Massachusetts love and respect towards the goal. Courtney, do you 1518 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:19.560 have anything before we. 1519 01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:22.560 I was just going to pass to give someone else 1520 01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:26.119 a little more time. But I completely agree with Peter. 1521 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:28.119 I think that there needs to be a whole new 1522 01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.800 forensic analysis. And the other thing that I think is 1523 01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:33.800 highly suspicious is all those witnesses that are all toeing 1524 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:37.560 the line. You've got eleven, I think or maybe twelve 1525 01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:40.079 that are all saying the same thing. And so I 1526 01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:42.359 was hoping here towards the end that somebody was going 1527 01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:46.439 to break and come across. I'm still kind of hoping 1528 01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:48.479 for that because that's a lot of people too have 1529 01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:53.920 either bought off intimidated without somebody breaking for the good. 1530 01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:55.079 So that's why. 1531 01:27:55.720 --> 01:28:00.199 And I had one other items that not everybody in 1532 01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:04.479 our group and our round table is aware of. Going 1533 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:08.760 back to the original incident, the morning of one, twenty nine, 1534 01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:11.479 twenty two, I saw the paper. I do not live 1535 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:15.880 in town anymore in Canton, and I bought into what 1536 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.159 I should have bought into, which was the law enforcement 1537 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:21.760 was telling the truth and that it happened according to 1538 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:24.600 the newspaper and whatever you saw on the major stations. 1539 01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:28.079 I live with that from somewhere around the first to 1540 01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:32.039 February of twenty two. I bought into it, and I 1541 01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:35.079 slept on it every night, believing it. And then in 1542 01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:40.319 April of twenty three, autopsy pictures started to come out 1543 01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:44.479 ate and cracked the wall not open, broke his story. 1544 01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:47.239 And there was a Boston Police officer who was a 1545 01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:51.800 good friend of mine that lives nearby, and I spoke 1546 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:53.760 to him. I said, what's going on at the water bubble? 1547 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:57.039 What do you hear, Boston Pd? He said, nobody's talking 1548 01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:00.399 about anything. He said, are you watching Turtle Boy? I said, 1549 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:01.600 what the hell is that a cartoon? 1550 01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:04.159 And I mean, that's dad is. 1551 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:07.800 Honestly, when I broke into it was probably April thirteenth 1552 01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:08.319 or something. 1553 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:11.359 I have it when I first on my phone. I 1554 01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:14.039 still have it the date. I contacted Davey and Eddie's 1555 01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:16.119 office to tell him that. 1556 01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:23.239 I was a first hand witness to Brian Wanns, who 1557 01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:25.960 stated to me at the autobody shop he owned that 1558 01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:29.880 he removed the tail light from the Lexus. I don't 1559 01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:31.439 know how many of you knew that when I went. 1560 01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:34.600 I went to him in several other police offices that 1561 01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:37.399 I had worked with for over twenty years, and I 1562 01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:38.760 said to them, look at I don't want to see 1563 01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:40.439 you get jammed up in this. I got a bad 1564 01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:42.640 feeling that there's going to be a lot of problems here. 1565 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:44.119 All the officers have said. 1566 01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:46.920 To me they stayed so far away from that case, 1567 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:49.520 they weren't working that day that they didn't even have 1568 01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:54.279 put their electronic fingerprint by opening the case in the computer. 1569 01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:57.880 That's how weary they were of the story that was 1570 01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:01.399 being told, or maybe what they had been told behind 1571 01:30:01.399 --> 01:30:04.399 the scenes. And the point I'm making is I went, 1572 01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:06.159 I'll tell you the quick story. I went to a 1573 01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:10.880 shop one day in April of twenty three and I said, hey, Brian, 1574 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:12.199 I just want to reiterate I'm. 1575 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:12.640 Here to help you. 1576 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:15.520 Let me know you know whatever you need. If there's problems, 1577 01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:17.920 you want to talk about it. I don't want to 1578 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:20.079 see you get jammed up. He said no, he said, 1579 01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:21.960 I'm fine. The only thing I did was took the 1580 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:24.880 tail light out because they couldn't do it. I said 1581 01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:28.079 what I said, Did you do a chain of custody? 1582 01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:32.720 Did you do a supplemental report? Did you sign any documents? 1583 01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:34.920 Did they take pictures? Did you take pictures? 1584 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:35.439 Ah? 1585 01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:38.159 I don't know what they did, meaning they didn't do anything. 1586 01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:40.800 And my understanding is he doesn't show on any of 1587 01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:44.479 the reports, doesn't show on any of the continuity. 1588 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:44.920 And chain of custodies. 1589 01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:48.399 What the hell did they have him take the tail 1590 01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:51.119 light of for in the Canton Sallyport when it should 1591 01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:53.119 have been done in a stay police barracks. 1592 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:58.840 Isn't that a great question? And isn't that Yeah? 1593 01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:02.479 And there is there is chatter on the street that 1594 01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:07.079 there were comments made that there was only one crack 1595 01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:10.560 in the tail light and one piece had imploded into 1596 01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:13.640 the interior of the assembly. There were not forty seven 1597 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:15.960 pieces in large fragments missing. 1598 01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:20.800 That was from the Dyton officer that accompanied Proctor to 1599 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:21.520 seize the vehicle. 1600 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:28.079 Yeah, Sagant Barrows from Dighton corroborated what I had heard 1601 01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.920 through the Canton network that that tail light was not 1602 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:33.920 disintegrated or shouted. It had a crack in it with 1603 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:37.199 a piece inside of it. So from there, do the 1604 01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:39.359 math and look at the sally For. Look at the 1605 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:42.359 people that were running around that sally For. That was 1606 01:31:42.399 --> 01:31:45.880 a crime scene, protected crime scene, and it looked like 1607 01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:50.079 a feeding frenzy in Chesapeake Bay. I mean there were 1608 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:53.199 people everywhere disappearing, vaporizing. 1609 01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:58.600 It certainly leads you to believed that something was going on. 1610 01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:02.920 No, no question about it. Also, I want to thank 1611 01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:05.840 Mary Ellen k I got you say, Spinks. We're going 1612 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:07.760 to get you up there in Dewey. We're gonna get 1613 01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:10.000 all those comments up there. But we got to get 1614 01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:13.920 through our next one, which is actually everybody. I just 1615 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.039 want to yes, sir. 1616 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:19.640 Oh sorry I kind of missed Kim, go ahead. 1617 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:21.479 Kim, Yeah, sorry, sorry sorry, Mike. 1618 01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:24.600 Let me just okay, So I almost a lay up 1619 01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:29.119 from Mark baw to me because the day that Karen 1620 01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:33.640 Reid the jury came back with a hung jury, Nurse 1621 01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:37.960 Kim went on TikTok and made a five point Karen 1622 01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:42.319 Reid rode to acquittal. Okay, and this is what we 1623 01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:45.079 came up with, all right, this was this is let's nurse. 1624 01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:47.880 So the first is we've got to back away from 1625 01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:51.359 the third party culprit. We have to why because we 1626 01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:54.159 are not Mass Day Police period, end of story. 1627 01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:54.520 Right. 1628 01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:58.239 It was Michael Proctor's job to find that out and 1629 01:32:58.279 --> 01:32:59.840 to do his homework. 1630 01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:03.079 Didn't do it. Number two was the Lexus and the 1631 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:04.000 key cycles. 1632 01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:07.359 Guys, this is bigger than any of you realize, because 1633 01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:12.720 the Lexus key cycles are what hinge on Trooper Pall's 1634 01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:17.399 entire crash recreation, right, is that he says that a 1635 01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:21.920 key cycle eleven sixty two, that Karen Reid put her 1636 01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:26.199 vehicle into reverse up to at seventy four percent pedal 1637 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:30.840 pressure for sixty two feet in reverse, right up to 1638 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:33.640 getting up to twenty four miles an hour and struck 1639 01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:36.119 Officer O'Keefe in a side swipe. 1640 01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:41.319 But somehow he's pirouetted and he ends up, you know, 1641 01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:43.560 in a location that does not exist. 1642 01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:46.279 But if we could call a Lexis guy, I got 1643 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:48.000 a guy at Lexus Ira danvs. 1644 01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:50.840 Okay, his name is Tony, and you call Tony. 1645 01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:55.800 Tony will tell you that it is impossible that the 1646 01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:59.720 the like that Massdy police got the car and did 1647 01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:03.159 the tech at key cycle eleven sixty four, And you're 1648 01:34:03.159 --> 01:34:07.079 claiming that Karen Reid struck Officer O'Keefe at key Cycle 1649 01:34:07.159 --> 01:34:08.319 eleven sixty two. 1650 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:13.880 Can't physic it was driven multiple times after that, including 1651 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:18.880 tur two back to the thirty four varue, then to 1652 01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:22.199 O'Keefe's house, then to her parents' house, and then getting 1653 01:34:22.399 --> 01:34:24.800 up on the tow truck. Correct and they get. 1654 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:27.439 It off the tow truck exactly. So those are all 1655 01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:31.720 other things. Third, crash Daddies, you can't deny the science. 1656 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:34.560 You can't deny the physics. Period we push on, We 1657 01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:38.960 push on crash Daddy's in ARCA four medical examine of bibs. 1658 01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:42.960 This is where we get doctors forty bellow and we say, hi, 1659 01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:48.560 this cr his Officer John O'Keeffe's injuries were never consistent 1660 01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:52.600 with a motor vehicle accident, especially not a low speed 1661 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:59.039 reverse MVA. That you are being struck by a seven 1662 01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:02.159 thousand pound vehicle, and you don't have a bruise, you 1663 01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:05.159 don't have a break, you don't have all you don't 1664 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:09.680 have any injuries below your arm right your right forearm, 1665 01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:12.920 which we're not from a tail light. It doesn't bite. 1666 01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:16.319 And number five, this is the nail in the coffine. 1667 01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:19.479 It is it was impossible that Officer John O'Keefe was 1668 01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:24.359 struck at at twelve thirty two, which is the prosecutor's theory, right, 1669 01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:27.920 because Karen Reid connects to the home Wi Fi at 1670 01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:31.840 one Meadows at twelve thirty six am. It was clearly 1671 01:35:31.880 --> 01:35:35.079 a six to seven minute drive at the fastest, not 1672 01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:36.239 in inclement weather. 1673 01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:39.000 And that is how we win retrial. 1674 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.720 Nurse Kim, we gotta go. You need to be at 1675 01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:46.880 the table. You need to be at the table right 1676 01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:51.279 next to Attorney Jackson, right, and Natty already asked to 1677 01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:56.319 be Ni. I love it, Mike, go ahead, brother, I 1678 01:35:56.840 --> 01:35:58.239 burk fat croffit. 1679 01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:07.880 Yeah. Berkowitz, it already got brought up. I think he 1680 01:36:07.960 --> 01:36:10.640 really needs to be brought up for a number of reason. 1681 01:36:10.720 --> 01:36:14.479 Number one, he called a journalist early on. Turtle Boy 1682 01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:18.119 exposed him for calling a journalist calling out you know, 1683 01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:22.159 you can't say it's Brian Albert's house. So that shows 1684 01:36:22.239 --> 01:36:25.000 right there the conflict of interest, which I don't think 1685 01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.880 the jury saw last time. And I think they also 1686 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:32.920 have to go to that video of Berkowitz's retirement party 1687 01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:37.560 and ask him Burkowitz did Brian Higgins tell the truth 1688 01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:39.600 when he was on the stand and he said he 1689 01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:42.920 didn't make that statement about how Burkowitz is the guy 1690 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.920 you go to to get rid of a body. But yeah, 1691 01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:50.079 And I want to see them then Helena Rathne ask 1692 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:52.960 her the same question and say, Heilena, who organized the 1693 01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:57.000 retirement party for Kenny Burkwitz. She's gonna say Brian Higgins. 1694 01:36:57.319 --> 01:36:59.479 Then I want them to play the video of Brian 1695 01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:03.680 Higgins at the event getting acknowledge, but the video was removed. 1696 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:06.760 I want them to ask Klena Rafferty, did you ask 1697 01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:11.079 the cable company, the Cable Community Television to remove that video? 1698 01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:12.880 Then I want them to bring up on the stand 1699 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:15.039 the canon community. Do you see what I'm saying. So 1700 01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:17.479 there's a lot of things that have gone on in 1701 01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:21.560 Canton between Berkowitz, Higgins and Brian Albert. They're all buddies, 1702 01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:24.159 and I don't think the jury understood that, and I 1703 01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:26.359 don't think the defense made the case. And it's so 1704 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:29.800 clearly there that documentation is already there. They need to 1705 01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:31.279 ask these people and put them. 1706 01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:34.359 On the stand percent And it was also I believe, 1707 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:36.600 just to add to that, Mike, I believe in that 1708 01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:42.640 inverted myriad video that we all participated watching, I believe 1709 01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:46.520 it showed a female police officer with a ponytail walked 1710 01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:49.159 up along the side of the car that the tail 1711 01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:51.960 light would have been damaged on and got about halfway 1712 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:54.720 back and made a ninety degree turn or a hundred 1713 01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:55.600 and eighty degree. 1714 01:37:55.359 --> 01:37:59.359 Turn, pirouett and scamp it away. For some reason, we gotta. 1715 01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:02.680 Find out to ask them, who's that? Ask Helena, who 1716 01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:04.199 is that? Who's that in that video? 1717 01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:07.279 Yeah, it's the one who's selling the one point seven 1718 01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:08.479 million dollar house. Yeah. 1719 01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:13.399 Yeah, these guys are buddies. They were all buddies. That 1720 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:15.159 are all buddies and you love it. 1721 01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:19.920 Yeah the time the gloves are off. Hours, the gloves 1722 01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:20.560 are off. 1723 01:38:21.159 --> 01:38:23.960 All right, and the gloves are officially off. Let's go. 1724 01:38:24.039 --> 01:38:27.000 We're knuckling up all right. All right. So guys, this 1725 01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:28.359 is what I want to do. We have to get 1726 01:38:28.359 --> 01:38:31.359 Peter's topic in here. I want to do this in 1727 01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:33.479 pretty quick because I want to get you a guy 1728 01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:36.880 here in by eighteen minutes. And I also want to 1729 01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:41.359 read some of the folks that have a chat the 1730 01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:44.359 super chests. They've been very very kind and very generous 1731 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:48.279 and thank you. Mike's been streaming on his channel, thank you, 1732 01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:51.239 and I appreciate everybody's kindness. Is going to help us 1733 01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:54.399 pay for stream yard. Also, we're going to vote on 1734 01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:59.920 best Massachusetts accent of all the content creators. I actually 1735 01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:03.000 I've already selected somebody. I'm going to announce who has 1736 01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:06.520 the best massachusetacks, but we're gonna save that for the 1737 01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:08.079 end when we say goodbye. 1738 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:11.600 Give it away. But it's obviously Nurse Kim real quick. Ah, 1739 01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:17.399 I do I do want to discuss the lawyer thing 1740 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:18.159 that we take to. 1741 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:23.159 Yes, sir, We're gonna get to it because I and 1742 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:26.000 I also have a I don't don't let us leader 1743 01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:29.319 talking about whether you could make an art an argument. 1744 01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:31.720 You believe you could argue that there's been a Brady 1745 01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:35.159 violation relative to the inverted video. So those are two 1746 01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:37.520 things we got to get with Mark on that. So 1747 01:39:37.720 --> 01:39:41.199 let's take Peter's question and let's be succinct and brief 1748 01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:44.079 in our answers. Go ahead, Peter, whatever your topic is, 1749 01:39:44.119 --> 01:39:44.439 if you. 1750 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:48.960 Have one, Yeah, my topic was was pretty much my 1751 01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:55.479 field of expertise, which is, collectively, what is everybody's assessment 1752 01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:59.960 of what happened after the first arrival of the police department, 1753 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:04.600 Canton Police on the crime scene that morning and up 1754 01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:07.560 until what appears to be a nine o'clock visit by 1755 01:40:09.319 --> 01:40:13.039 Officer Lank going into the house and then abandoning the 1756 01:40:13.079 --> 01:40:13.680 crime scene. 1757 01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:16.920 What is everybody's take on that? Do they believe that is? 1758 01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:22.039 You know, is that something that happened inadvertently or was 1759 01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:22.960 that by design? 1760 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:27.239 And who's going to be held accountable for our list? 1761 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:30.159 In otherwords, if they if they had done a thorough investigation, 1762 01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:34.479 and I guess I'll throw this in everybody's direction. Had 1763 01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:37.039 they done a thorough investigation between the time they arrived 1764 01:40:37.039 --> 01:40:42.880 at six o'clock and perhaps eight o'clock, they could have 1765 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:45.279 found out a lot of information, talked to a lot 1766 01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:49.760 of people more than they did, and that whole case 1767 01:40:50.520 --> 01:40:53.359 we might not even be having this conversation right now, 1768 01:40:54.119 --> 01:40:57.720 plain and simple. That case could have been solved and 1769 01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:01.319 gone in a total different direction. Was there a probable 1770 01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:04.960 cause to seize that car? Before Proctor had even seen 1771 01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:07.800 it or been to the crime scene, he called for 1772 01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:10.800 a tow truck at fifteen three o'clock in the afternoon. 1773 01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:13.319 He hadn't even been to the house and seen the 1774 01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:17.439 car yet never mind the tail light. I mean, I 1775 01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:20.159 don't know. I just it's so much there in that 1776 01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:22.840 first hour and a half two hours. I just wonder 1777 01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:26.000 if when you're talking about what more of the defense 1778 01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:29.079 can do in the next trial, if there is one, 1779 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:32.640 if the fed's are on here already, that I guess 1780 01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:33.680 that's out there. 1781 01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:35.119 That's where I hang my hat. 1782 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:38.399 All right, So we'll a quick hitter style on this, 1783 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:40.199 so I could try to get you guys out of 1784 01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:44.439 here in thefteen minutes. My personal opinion, you've already heard me. 1785 01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:48.560 I'm not to be as graceful and charitable as my 1786 01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:51.600 co creator of the show, Nathan would be. I believe 1787 01:41:52.079 --> 01:41:56.399 once they decided that that, as Mike Procter said in 1788 01:41:56.439 --> 01:41:58.640 the text, this guy's not going to catch any shit 1789 01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:00.880 for this, meaning Brian Albert what he said to his 1790 01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:05.039 high school friends. Then now everything has to build off that, 1791 01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:09.199 off not going in there and doing an investigation, and 1792 01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:11.039 then it just has to what do we have to 1793 01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:15.000 do to figure out what how we're gonna craft this? 1794 01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:17.800 You know, if he didn't go in the house, well 1795 01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:20.159 you know she must have hit. So I think it 1796 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:23.840 all happened. I think everything that was done was purposeful. 1797 01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:26.399 I did not know that Lank went to the house 1798 01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:30.239 that morning, but if they left the crime scene, unless 1799 01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:33.119 they didn't go to investigation school like you did, Peter, 1800 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:35.840 I have to assume that there was a reason that 1801 01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:38.479 they did that, and it was because the narrative was 1802 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.960 already going is how do we not he didn't go 1803 01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:43.560 in the house, So how do you know as far 1804 01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:45.159 as we know, he can go in the house. So 1805 01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:47.600 we have to figure out a way this happened without 1806 01:42:47.720 --> 01:42:51.520 going and investigating Brian Albert and his home. Not to 1807 01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:54.600 mention the fact the dead body was there, Nurse Kim, go. 1808 01:42:54.520 --> 01:43:02.600 Ahead, Sorry, okay, So we're just saying about what we 1809 01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:05.079 think about what could have been done initially, like. 1810 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:08.239 The first the first was it meant to? Is that 1811 01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:10.800 what you mean? Was that meant to have been done? 1812 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:13.640 Is that what your the crux of your question, Peter. 1813 01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:17.720 Yes, and just just you guys could summarize it in 1814 01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:24.279 one statement. Was that crime scene investigation intentionally intentionally abandoned 1815 01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:29.359 in an intentionally uh debacle? Or or was it just 1816 01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:32.279 everybody was tired that morning and really you know, was 1817 01:43:32.279 --> 01:43:34.119 worried about it. 1818 01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:37.199 Couldn't it couldn't have been mister Murphy in my humble opinion, 1819 01:43:37.279 --> 01:43:40.279 because they did know within minutes that it was Officer 1820 01:43:40.319 --> 01:43:43.399 John O'Keeffe when and I still always go back to 1821 01:43:43.479 --> 01:43:46.640 jen mccab okay, a Jennifer mccab as I call her, 1822 01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:50.960 is that her calling that like her calling nine when 1823 01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:53.640 won the calm in her voice and not running into 1824 01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:56.279 the house to go see if her sister and her 1825 01:43:56.359 --> 01:44:01.199 brother in law were alive or unalived, and and her nephew, 1826 01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:05.720 her nieces and nephews. It's it, make it make sense. 1827 01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:08.359 And I just think that the scene though that was 1828 01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:11.119 an intentional there's no other way to look at it. 1829 01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:14.439 I understand it was snowing, but to me, no questions. 1830 01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:18.079 Yeah, they do. They knew who everybody knew who they were. 1831 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:23.479 Every they knew Albert's, they all knew each other, and 1832 01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.960 they all knew that Kenny Berkowitz was good friends with 1833 01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:27.760 Brian Albert. 1834 01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:28.560 So that's it. 1835 01:44:29.000 --> 01:44:32.560 And you got a Boston police officer, so obviously they 1836 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:34.880 knew this was serious, but they left. So why did 1837 01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:38.199 they leave? It's pretty obvious. It's just like Kenny Burkowitz 1838 01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:41.039 call the reporter. Why did Kenny Burkeys would drive by 1839 01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:44.119 and find more tail. Like, it's obvious what's going on 1840 01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:47.640 here the cover up, and the reason why is because 1841 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:49.760 of politics. They all knew each other, and they knew 1842 01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:52.520 that the boss, the guy, the guy who've been there 1843 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.600 for like thirty years or whatever, who has all the 1844 01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:59.279 friends in the FBI and the DA and the ATF 1845 01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:02.439 State Police, he's got friends from New York. I mean 1846 01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:05.039 there when if you watch a retirement party, you could 1847 01:45:05.039 --> 01:45:08.399 see this guy Burkwitz is connected. He's the rain banker 1848 01:45:08.399 --> 01:45:12.239 for everybody else. He knows everybody. So when the boss 1849 01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:16.319 has friends with the homeowner, they made a decision. And 1850 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:18.279 it's pretty obvious what happened there. 1851 01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:24.199 Dead Boston cop on the lawn of another dead Boston cop. 1852 01:45:24.760 --> 01:45:29.920 Not to butcher allaliism, But where, if anywhere else would 1853 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:33.000 this happen that the crime scene would not be secured. 1854 01:45:33.039 --> 01:45:36.680 And the answer is nowhere. All hands on deck, officer down, 1855 01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:39.720 let's get to the bottom of this. And the testimony 1856 01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:42.760 was that no one was coming out to take the scene, 1857 01:45:43.039 --> 01:45:45.840 so they just said eh and they left, and once 1858 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:48.640 they abandoned the crime scene, they abandoned the case. So no, 1859 01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:49.600 that's intentional. 1860 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:54.640 Yeah, I can't see it. I can't see it any 1861 01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:57.920 any other way. It would just be just too kind 1862 01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:01.159 to say that they're inept, because that would that would 1863 01:46:01.159 --> 01:46:03.479 reflect on on Peter and other officers that they don't 1864 01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:04.359 know how to investigate. 1865 01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:04.920 Uh. 1866 01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:07.720 They just very quickly it's like, okay, we you know, 1867 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:11.159 we know what happened here. We got to I can't 1868 01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:15.039 remember what caused the recusal, if that was the Kevin 1869 01:46:15.079 --> 01:46:18.399 Albert related or something else. Oh, I think it was. 1870 01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:21.680 He had he hadn't been dead yet, so it couldn't 1871 01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:24.760 have gone over to the state police because a death 1872 01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:27.239 had not yet occurred. He was alive when he left 1873 01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:31.520 the scene and then apparently was pronounced dead at the hospital, 1874 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:34.039 and then it went over to the state police. But 1875 01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:37.560 I just think they just knew, Hey, we can't pin 1876 01:46:37.640 --> 01:46:41.079 it on Kevin Albert's older brother, the enforcer, Brian Albert. 1877 01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:43.640 I assume, so we need to find another way that 1878 01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:47.600 this happened. But who knows. You know, that's what's all 1879 01:46:47.640 --> 01:46:51.439 gonna be in a Netflix movie someday. All right, Uh, 1880 01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:56.520 Tourney Bedro, Sir, can you make an argument for a 1881 01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:01.199 Brady violation? Do you think off of that manipulated Sally 1882 01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:04.319 Port video? Do you think there's a cogent argument there 1883 01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:05.520 that would have legal standing. 1884 01:47:05.920 --> 01:47:09.199 Well, yeah, I think you have that, as well as 1885 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:13.079 a flagrant discovery violation. This thing was turned over, even 1886 01:47:13.079 --> 01:47:16.640 if it was legitimate, in the middle of trial and 1887 01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:19.720 left the defense with nothing to do other than by 1888 01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:22.399 the seat of their pants very effectively as it were, 1889 01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:27.119 cross examined Buchanic about it and twist him into a knot, 1890 01:47:27.159 --> 01:47:29.159 and you know he'll get hurt at a retrial on 1891 01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:35.239 that with more thought, but obviously a video that appears 1892 01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:39.479 to have been tampered with in some capacity, that appears 1893 01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:43.560 to flip the image such that the important tail light 1894 01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:49.000 is no longer in view. That also, by flipping the 1895 01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:52.880 image takes Michael Proctor out of view in that area 1896 01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:56.439 of the tail light, and video that appears to show 1897 01:47:56.560 --> 01:47:59.720 people coming and going. You know, it's like a Harry 1898 01:47:59.720 --> 01:48:05.359 Potter movie, operating and operating out. Is that favorable to 1899 01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:08.439 the defense in a case where their whole theory is 1900 01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:11.119 that this is a cover up and a frame job. 1901 01:48:11.720 --> 01:48:18.720 Unequivocally yes, So it is certainly Brady material that there 1902 01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:21.000 ought to be issues, and I think they will file 1903 01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:24.920 motions and seek sanctions if it's appropriate. But it also 1904 01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:29.800 extends to ethically, did the prosecutor knowingly offer false evidence, 1905 01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:35.600 which is a serious problem. Did Buchanic testify falsely intentionally, 1906 01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:38.359 which you know, we call that perjury in this business. 1907 01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:43.000 His direct examination was very different than his cross examination. 1908 01:48:43.119 --> 01:48:46.359 Once it became clear that that video was inverted. He 1909 01:48:46.439 --> 01:48:51.199 started forgetting who is who, who did, what, what's going on? So, yeah, 1910 01:48:51.239 --> 01:48:56.000 that's a flagrant discovery violation at a minimum, and it's 1911 01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:59.560 an egregious Brady violation at worse. And I think they 1912 01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:01.520 will try to get to the bottom of that, and 1913 01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:04.279 will I mean, I said this a few weeks ago 1914 01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:07.439 that I thought one of the biggest issues in the 1915 01:49:07.479 --> 01:49:09.279 build up to a second trial, and one of the 1916 01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:12.600 biggest advantages the defense is going to have is they're 1917 01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:16.319 going to send out subpoenas, discovery demands, emotions all about 1918 01:49:16.600 --> 01:49:19.560 the video. They're going to solve that problem. And when 1919 01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:23.199 they do, there's going to be issues with Buchanic, potentially 1920 01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:25.920 with the DA's office, because you'd have to believe that 1921 01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:29.760 when Lally offered that video, he didn't know. I mean, 1922 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:31.960 I find that just very I don't know what he 1923 01:49:32.039 --> 01:49:33.560 knew or didn't do, and I don't want to accuse 1924 01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:37.680 him of literally presenting false evidence, but you know, sometimes 1925 01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:39.199 you look at it and you say, how could you 1926 01:49:39.239 --> 01:49:42.439 not know? And yeah, but he should have. I mean 1927 01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:46.520 the standard is you know, professionally, you knew or should 1928 01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:50.600 have known, and any reasonable prosecutor would have known that 1929 01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:54.680 that is Fugezi evidence. And again it's not just the 1930 01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:59.039 mere inversion. It took out the tail light and procter 1931 01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:01.680 and if the proper her tail light had been depicted, 1932 01:50:02.039 --> 01:50:05.119 it may very well show exactly what the Dighton cops 1933 01:50:05.159 --> 01:50:08.199 saw and this case would have been over. So yes, 1934 01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:09.640 it's a very big deal. 1935 01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:13.600 And there's a ring camera video that shows that that 1936 01:50:13.720 --> 01:50:16.760 you can see the tail light's glowing red. And also 1937 01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:20.279 you know, I I got to think, Leally, I realized 1938 01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:23.000 that we're in New England and not England. But the 1939 01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:26.760 driver of a vehicle pulling a car shouldn't be getting 1940 01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:30.319 out of the right side, you know, because as it 1941 01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:33.600 turns out, her Lexus is actually an American model, so 1942 01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:35.479 the driver should be on the left side of the vehicle. 1943 01:50:36.039 --> 01:50:36.680 Don't say that. 1944 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:39.920 Also that you're right and Brady violation, you know, if 1945 01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:42.399 the cops do something, even if the DA is an 1946 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:47.880 unwitting vessel by offering the false evidence without knowing. The 1947 01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:50.560 question is if the Canon police turn this over in 1948 01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:53.159 the middle of trial, and what they turned over was 1949 01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:56.119 this piece of garbage. Well, now the issue is, well, 1950 01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:58.479 what did the police know and what did they do? 1951 01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:00.399 You know, the DA can't just get up and say 1952 01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:03.399 I didn't know. You can can't just get up and 1953 01:51:03.439 --> 01:51:06.000 say I made a mistake. That's all wonderful for the 1954 01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:08.319 two of them. What did the people in the Canton 1955 01:51:08.359 --> 01:51:11.960 police know? Why wasn't it disclosed earlier? Why wasn't it 1956 01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:15.279 disclosed in the proper form? Why was it inverted? And 1957 01:51:15.319 --> 01:51:18.119 you can't say that it's some kind of mistake because 1958 01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:21.840 the clock is all messed up, it's different color, and 1959 01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:24.640 you have people operating in and out, which I'm not 1960 01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:26.840 a tech guy, but even I can tell you that 1961 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:29.560 means there's more than one thing going on there. That's 1962 01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:32.920 not just literally a video showing the wrong side. There's 1963 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:36.279 manipulation going on there. 1964 01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:42.439 You're I'm sorry, go ahead, very very serious thing going 1965 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:46.159 forward over the next couple of months. So your colleague 1966 01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:49.159 Melanie Little had on the tech guy that was sitting 1967 01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:55.000 behind sitting behind Karen Reid's team that they brought out 1968 01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:57.720 from la He said he has forty years of trials, 1969 01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:01.359 and he said he's never seen these bigans. And he 1970 01:52:01.439 --> 01:52:05.119 said that they clearly had to when they've reversed it, 1971 01:52:05.159 --> 01:52:09.119 they had to re import that time stamp, which is 1972 01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:12.479 probably an artificial time stamp that they that they stuck 1973 01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:15.079 in there. So, yeah, it clearly was manipulated. 1974 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:17.920 And don't underestimate the significance of the fact that that 1975 01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:21.600 was not disclosed until the middle of trial. Meaning it's 1976 01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:25.840 not like Alan and David got that video in March 1977 01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:28.600 and had weeks to analyze this and prepare for it. 1978 01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:30.000 They had to do it on the fly. 1979 01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:31.000 On the fly. 1980 01:52:31.319 --> 01:52:35.159 It's extraordinarily prejudicial to the defense because they Yeah, but 1981 01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:39.479 to use it effectively, which they did, was still severely limited. 1982 01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:42.399 They could have just killed them with this if they 1983 01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:45.359 had the right time and knowledge. But where it came from, 1984 01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:48.720 Who's responsible? How did this happen? All these questions that 1985 01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:49.520 we're talking about. 1986 01:52:50.359 --> 01:52:53.000 And then with the judge from the Alec Baldwin trial, 1987 01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:55.760 you know, she she made the right call on this thing. 1988 01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:58.199 But you saw, you know, Judge Bev never even batter 1989 01:52:58.279 --> 01:52:58.760 an eye. 1990 01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:02.359 And remember saying to Mike on one of his shows 1991 01:53:02.479 --> 01:53:05.800 that what I wanted to see the next morning was 1992 01:53:05.840 --> 01:53:08.600 the judge say, before you bring the jury out, get 1993 01:53:08.600 --> 01:53:12.359 the lawyers in the courtroom, and say, what the hell 1994 01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:15.920 happened in my courtroom yesterday with this video? I want 1995 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:19.520 an explanation of why it was disclosed now, why it's 1996 01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:22.920 in this condition, what the hell was with Buchanic twisting 1997 01:53:22.960 --> 01:53:26.840 his testimony around about it? Mister Lally, what do you 1998 01:53:26.880 --> 01:53:29.960 have to say? And unfortunately you know she didn't do that, 1999 01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:33.640 which is I mean, look, well, all I can tell 2000 01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:36.560 you is my own experience. You know, in Sharp Elbow 2001 01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:40.119 in New York, a judge would have been looking at 2002 01:53:40.119 --> 01:53:42.520 the defense and saying, is there an application here? And 2003 01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:44.399 what by that I mean is are you asking me 2004 01:53:44.439 --> 01:53:47.199 for a mistrial? Because I'll hear you. I don't know 2005 01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:49.319 that I'll grant it, but I'm damn well going to 2006 01:53:49.399 --> 01:53:52.760 listen to it because that kind of discovery violation of 2007 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:56.199 something that important at that point of a trial is 2008 01:53:56.520 --> 01:54:01.520 so egregious. And she just didn't care. 2009 01:54:01.920 --> 01:54:05.239 I think she yelled at Jackson or something at that 2010 01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:06.319 point too, didn't. 2011 01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:06.640 She that day? 2012 01:54:06.720 --> 01:54:09.800 Like she didn't not only didn't she called Lally, she 2013 01:54:10.079 --> 01:54:12.680 like gave I think the defensive ship that day. 2014 01:54:13.119 --> 01:54:15.760 Listen, if I'm the defense as I'm trying to learn 2015 01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:18.399 about how to handle this going forward, I'm making all 2016 01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:21.079 kinds of demands and motions. And I also want to know, 2017 01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:24.359 you know, not to get all Watergate on Lally, but 2018 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:26.399 what did he know and when did he know it? 2019 01:54:26.479 --> 01:54:29.119 Because he's this, he's got an answer for this. 2020 01:54:29.800 --> 01:54:33.720 I yeah, I just can't believe that. That's not that 2021 01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:37.479 that the judge didn't that people wonder why bev why 2022 01:54:37.520 --> 01:54:40.880 people think they're build That's why I don't think this 2023 01:54:41.039 --> 01:54:42.079 is the reason why. 2024 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:42.760 I get it. 2025 01:54:42.840 --> 01:54:43.399 I mean, I'm not. 2026 01:54:43.720 --> 01:54:46.479 I guess my point was, I'm not sure she's corrupt, 2027 01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:49.039 but she's made terrible rulings and she's not a great 2028 01:54:49.119 --> 01:54:49.720 judge for them. 2029 01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:52.560 Clearly she might just ad at her job. 2030 01:54:53.479 --> 01:54:57.520 Could be the the Norfolk District judge. If you guys 2031 01:54:57.520 --> 01:55:00.920 heard her rule on the Birchmore motions the other day 2032 01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:04.479 was while I was actually driving to Colorado. That is 2033 01:55:04.520 --> 01:55:07.279 a judge, I would like to say, that was asking questions, 2034 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:11.760 engaged with attorneys on all sides, UH, trying to say, yeah, 2035 01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:14.159 can you please explain to me why this is an issue, 2036 01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:18.319 because I don't I don't think. I like, that's the 2037 01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:20.680 kind of judge we need in this case. And I 2038 01:55:20.720 --> 01:55:23.359 don't know that they're going to get into with Judge Beb. 2039 01:55:23.439 --> 01:55:25.880 I really, I really don't feel that. I I just 2040 01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:29.399 don't think because she's just gonna keep every time they 2041 01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:38.119 make an objection, she's gonna say sustained g I'll I 2042 01:55:38.119 --> 01:55:39.119 don't know. I'm sorry. 2043 01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:39.640 Uh. 2044 01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:42.359 Let's if anybody has anything, get in there, and then 2045 01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:45.520 we're gonna go to the the uh to the folks 2046 01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:48.600 that that uh uh the super chat. So if anybody 2047 01:55:48.600 --> 01:55:53.439 has a question for another panelists, go ahead, and if not, wait, 2048 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:53.840 let me. 2049 01:55:55.800 --> 01:56:00.920 Oh sir, okay to go to the general roundtable. 2050 01:56:01.439 --> 01:56:04.520 What do you think the possibility is and has that 2051 01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:09.279 possibility increased in the last six months of the RICO 2052 01:56:09.479 --> 01:56:14.840 Act being implemented RICO being the Racketeer Influenced and Abrupt 2053 01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:15.920 Organization Act. 2054 01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:21.079 I think, yeah, I think it's it's gonna be hard, 2055 01:56:21.279 --> 01:56:24.720 but I think it's increased. Like I think, like because 2056 01:56:24.720 --> 01:56:26.800 I have Mark on the show a lot, and it 2057 01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:29.479 seems like it'd be simple to go through other charges. 2058 01:56:29.680 --> 01:56:33.039 But I agree, I think that that could be where 2059 01:56:33.039 --> 01:56:33.800 it goes in the end. 2060 01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:38.199 It's tough. I mean, you don't usually see the federal 2061 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:41.319 Rico statute use for you know, other than like the 2062 01:56:41.439 --> 01:56:46.560 mafia and real sophisticated gangs and and taking a bunch 2063 01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:50.039 of if they're gonna get indicted a bunch of knuckleheads 2064 01:56:50.039 --> 01:56:53.680 and goons from Canton who threw this thing together and 2065 01:56:53.880 --> 01:56:56.399 covered it up and did this, do I think that 2066 01:56:56.439 --> 01:57:00.520 they're gonna literally call them, you know, as a term 2067 01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:04.399 of art, a corrupt organization and prove that they were 2068 01:57:04.439 --> 01:57:08.279 acting as a corrupt organization toward I to me, it 2069 01:57:08.439 --> 01:57:11.520 just seems a bridge too far. I think these are 2070 01:57:11.640 --> 01:57:15.880 civil rights crimes potentially with the police, uh maybe some 2071 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:19.399 other process crimes related to that and and there. I mean, 2072 01:57:19.439 --> 01:57:22.039 I don't think it's going to be the biggest federal case. 2073 01:57:22.079 --> 01:57:23.399 If there is a case at all, There may be 2074 01:57:23.439 --> 01:57:27.039 nothing by the way, I mean that that's a real possibility. 2075 01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:31.239 I can't fathom that the US attorney, you know, for 2076 01:57:31.319 --> 01:57:36.479 the District of Massachusetts is gonna unseal a ginormous rico indictment, 2077 01:57:36.680 --> 01:57:39.159 you know, and call the what are they gonna I 2078 01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:41.119 can picture the indictment you know, what are they gonna 2079 01:57:41.159 --> 01:57:44.880 call the corrupt organization that Michael, They're really going to 2080 01:57:44.920 --> 01:57:46.760 call them the Mcalbert organization. 2081 01:57:47.239 --> 01:57:49.239 I mean, what if Michael Morrissey's at the top. What 2082 01:57:49.319 --> 01:57:52.560 if it's Michael the Michael Morrissey mcalibert organization. 2083 01:57:53.239 --> 01:57:57.239 If this, well, you make a good if this is 2084 01:57:57.640 --> 01:58:02.439 a much larger thing Morrissey in the DA's office in 2085 01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:05.439 other cases, I still don't know if it becomes a 2086 01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:08.560 reco case, but that becomes interesting because that makes the 2087 01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:12.720 whole Karen Reid Albert thing less significant to what they're 2088 01:58:12.760 --> 01:58:14.800 going to do. But of course, if they were to 2089 01:58:14.840 --> 01:58:18.439 indict Marssy, then the Karen Reid cases over anyway, even 2090 01:58:18.439 --> 01:58:20.000 if the indictment has nothing to do. 2091 01:58:20.359 --> 01:58:22.479 I think that's where it's going. I think that's the 2092 01:58:22.520 --> 01:58:25.760 hold up too. It's like, this is not a simple case. 2093 01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:27.239 That's why I think it's being held up. 2094 01:58:27.800 --> 01:58:29.720 I mean, look, people have said, and I have no 2095 01:58:29.800 --> 01:58:31.640 opinion on this because I don't know, but I mean 2096 01:58:31.680 --> 01:58:35.880 I've heard people say in a factual sense that they 2097 01:58:36.079 --> 01:58:41.079 defense tap Morrissey's phone. Now to get what they call 2098 01:58:41.119 --> 01:58:44.640 a Title three wiretap application, you have to jump through 2099 01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:48.119 hurdles like you can't believe, you know, as crazy as 2100 01:58:48.119 --> 01:58:50.199 it sounds, you can't just have a prosecutor to tell 2101 01:58:50.199 --> 01:58:52.680 a judge. I'd really like to listen in real time 2102 01:58:52.720 --> 01:58:55.600 to this guy's phone calls. Now, when that person is 2103 01:58:55.600 --> 01:59:00.960 the sitting district attorney of a county who prosecutes crimes, uh, 2104 01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:03.600 it becomes that much harder. And if a federal judge 2105 01:59:03.720 --> 01:59:09.520 authorized that, then you know that would that would be unbelievable, 2106 01:59:09.560 --> 01:59:13.600 and that would be really bad from Marcy because that 2107 01:59:13.600 --> 01:59:16.119 that that's telling they just don't do. 2108 01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:23.880 That federal indictment. Lord here our prayer? Uh all right, 2109 01:59:24.039 --> 01:59:27.560 Uh yeah, A man. I just want to do some 2110 01:59:27.640 --> 01:59:31.119 thank you and see if there's some questions here. Peace 2111 01:59:31.199 --> 01:59:33.520 be with each one of you here tonight. Keep the faith. 2112 01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:36.880 Thank you MODS for all your work the Pilgrim Shadow. 2113 01:59:37.000 --> 01:59:40.119 Thank you so much for the blessing. I really appreciate it. 2114 01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:43.039 We've had some new members. Patty Watson is a new 2115 01:59:43.039 --> 01:59:45.239 member of Mike's channel because I don't think we have 2116 01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:49.239 membership turned on here. Where are the receipts and video 2117 01:59:49.439 --> 01:59:52.279 for bir of Birthday Donuts? I don't know what that's 2118 01:59:52.319 --> 01:59:56.960 all about. 2119 01:59:57.880 --> 02:00:00.000 They're talking about the Burke Gortz party. 2120 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:02.039 Okay, I gotta know. 2121 02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:10.640 Jill Daniels showing up talking about Julie Albert. 2122 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:12.159 No worries. 2123 02:00:12.199 --> 02:00:18.199 Guys, don't you know what I'm talking about? They're like sisters, right, yeah, all. 2124 02:00:18.199 --> 02:00:22.079 Right, thank you. I gotta know. I appreciate you. 2125 02:00:22.439 --> 02:00:24.000 Who doesn't get birthday donuts? 2126 02:00:24.039 --> 02:00:29.159 I don't know. Here we go from Jar ten dollars blessing. 2127 02:00:29.399 --> 02:00:32.760 Where is broken Baker? Great panel, thanks Sergeant Murphy, and 2128 02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:37.960 great analysis from all. Thank you, Jar, appreciate you, Freedom Ring. 2129 02:00:38.159 --> 02:00:43.119 What is this here? Okay? One use more demonstrative exhibits 2130 02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:51.279 stress bop. Oh, that's an answer to your question. Mark, great, 2131 02:00:51.960 --> 02:00:54.680 so this could be another attorney. Thank you, freedom Ring. 2132 02:00:54.720 --> 02:01:00.000 We appreciate that. Two dollars blessing. Uh, let's see Leah, Leah, 2133 02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:03.560 anyone know where the Oh yes, Leah, thank you for 2134 02:01:03.640 --> 02:01:06.720 pointing out. Sergeant Murphy pointed this out. But Leah, you're 2135 02:01:06.760 --> 02:01:08.880 on the ball. Where did three leaders of blood go? 2136 02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:11.640 Did the backpack blow? Was it frozen in the backpack 2137 02:01:11.680 --> 02:01:14.760 blow or blew it into the middle of Fairview? Who knows? 2138 02:01:15.079 --> 02:01:17.680 Or was it all inside the house and they were 2139 02:01:18.079 --> 02:01:22.399 frantically bleaching up the joint and I just want just 2140 02:01:22.439 --> 02:01:26.199 Peter with some luminol would have showed it all all right, Uh, 2141 02:01:26.239 --> 02:01:32.279 here we go. Third party d makes sense. They didn't 2142 02:01:32.319 --> 02:01:36.399 know how ARCA testimony would go. They don't have to 2143 02:01:36.640 --> 02:01:40.039 next time. Is there one right? I'm not sure Dewey 2144 02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:43.760 if anybody understands the context, but it's yes. 2145 02:01:43.800 --> 02:01:44.239 What she. 2146 02:01:45.880 --> 02:01:48.359 Is saying is it means third party culprit. It makes 2147 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:51.640 sense because they didn't know what ARCO would mean, and 2148 02:01:51.800 --> 02:01:54.840 they don't have the next time, meaning if there's another trial, 2149 02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:56.119 they don't have to make that all. 2150 02:01:56.439 --> 02:01:58.960 I think, yeah, they can just make it about the 2151 02:01:59.000 --> 02:02:00.920 frame up. They don't have to make it like you know, 2152 02:02:01.159 --> 02:02:02.439 about who did it? 2153 02:02:02.720 --> 02:02:05.439 Well you it's all about degrees. I mean, look and 2154 02:02:05.640 --> 02:02:07.399 let me let me just to bring it back real 2155 02:02:07.520 --> 02:02:09.680 quickly because we're going to talk about the lawyers before. 2156 02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:12.319 I feel compelled to say this because we were talking 2157 02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:14.560 about well, who would do the cross examinations at the 2158 02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:19.600 So you know, starting out in the Manhattan DA's office 2159 02:02:19.600 --> 02:02:22.319 and practicing in Manhattan is very similar to LA. You 2160 02:02:22.359 --> 02:02:25.359 get all the high profile cases. They're the lawyers are 2161 02:02:25.359 --> 02:02:27.279 the best of the best. I mean basically New York 2162 02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:30.680 and LA or for this kind of thing the two places. 2163 02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:33.520 And so having done that and coming from what is 2164 02:02:33.600 --> 02:02:37.439 un indisputably the best DA's office in the country, and 2165 02:02:37.479 --> 02:02:40.159 in private practice, you get the opportunity to work with 2166 02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:45.039 against and become colleagues with, you know, the best trial 2167 02:02:45.119 --> 02:02:47.640 lawyers out there, and I have seen them all in 2168 02:02:47.680 --> 02:02:50.319 New York, know most of them, and I can tell 2169 02:02:50.359 --> 02:02:54.319 you watching Alan Jackson, indisputably he's at the top of 2170 02:02:54.319 --> 02:03:01.640 that list. Okay, so he is incredible, and the reality 2171 02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:05.720 is in front of a jury, him and David are 2172 02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:09.039 doing the cross examinations. That's not a knock on mister Weinberg, 2173 02:03:09.119 --> 02:03:13.239 who yesterday was brilliant and we talked about this, but 2174 02:03:13.279 --> 02:03:15.560 you know, he's more of an appellate lawyer and he 2175 02:03:15.600 --> 02:03:19.399 had a great demeanor with the judge. But Alan Jackson 2176 02:03:19.439 --> 02:03:22.119 is a master in front of a jury and has 2177 02:03:22.199 --> 02:03:26.000 the right demeanor for a trial of this magnitude, the 2178 02:03:26.079 --> 02:03:29.159 right game plan, the right skill set, and there's nobody 2179 02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:34.560 else you want before him doing this. He is indisputably 2180 02:03:34.680 --> 02:03:38.800 top shelf and I've seen the best and he's up there. 2181 02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:41.920 So he's going to do it. And David is at 2182 02:03:41.960 --> 02:03:46.600 that level too, And you know they're they're good. Their 2183 02:03:46.640 --> 02:03:51.000 whole legal team is spectacular, and just because there's an 2184 02:03:51.039 --> 02:03:53.520 apparent hung jury on one of these accounts, it doesn't 2185 02:03:53.560 --> 02:03:56.720 mean the lawyers didn't do this. And when we're offering 2186 02:03:56.840 --> 02:04:00.880 suggestions maybe do this separately, the best lawyers who are 2187 02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:05.399 that good are also the least sensitive, okay, because they 2188 02:04:05.439 --> 02:04:08.439 know who they are and they listen to other people 2189 02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:11.560 and have enough security and confidence to say, that's a 2190 02:04:11.560 --> 02:04:14.399 good idea. Maybe I'll do it this way, maybe I won't. 2191 02:04:14.880 --> 02:04:17.279 So you know, if they're listening to any of this stuff, 2192 02:04:17.359 --> 02:04:18.960 they'll take it or they won't, but they're not going 2193 02:04:19.039 --> 02:04:20.039 to be offended by any. 2194 02:04:19.960 --> 02:04:25.720 Of this, Okay. So basically you're I'm off on that. 2195 02:04:25.800 --> 02:04:28.439 Then as far as me thinking Attorney Weinberg would be 2196 02:04:28.920 --> 02:04:31.279 good for at least some of the witnesses, you would. 2197 02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:32.920 He would be great. No, let me. I mean again, 2198 02:04:33.000 --> 02:04:35.479 this is all pick your poison. You know you're picking. 2199 02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:39.399 At a high level. What I'm saying is that Alan 2200 02:04:39.479 --> 02:04:43.319 Jackson is like among the best, and yeah, that's out there, 2201 02:04:44.319 --> 02:04:48.119 and you he they're good with him doing whatever they 2202 02:04:48.159 --> 02:04:52.760 need him to do. Certainly in cross examination of witnesses. 2203 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:55.840 Now they brought in mister Weinberg because he's an appellate 2204 02:04:55.840 --> 02:04:58.600 expert and the best of the best at that in 2205 02:04:58.680 --> 02:05:01.119 an issue which is all a legal issue, and of 2206 02:05:01.119 --> 02:05:04.199 course which Alan and David potentially could be witnesses at 2207 02:05:04.199 --> 02:05:08.920 a hearing, So that made perfect sense. But when you 2208 02:05:09.199 --> 02:05:14.039 have Alan Jackson as the trial lawyer, and when he's 2209 02:05:14.079 --> 02:05:17.079 willing to stay, which of course he is, you keep him. 2210 02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:20.479 Yeah, it just seems like she stifled him when he 2211 02:05:20.880 --> 02:05:24.640 tries to cross examine, and really she just doesn't like him. 2212 02:05:24.680 --> 02:05:28.800 Yeah, just like so totally, and she doesn't like Karen Reid, 2213 02:05:29.479 --> 02:05:35.159 and she has respect for for Martin Weinberg obviously, but ultimately, 2214 02:05:35.439 --> 02:05:38.520 you know, it's the jury that you have to deal with. 2215 02:05:38.640 --> 02:05:41.800 And the reality is they've you know, Karen has two 2216 02:05:41.840 --> 02:05:44.359 titans who know what they're doing, and Alan and David 2217 02:05:44.439 --> 02:05:48.399 and you go right back with them. They recharge the battery, 2218 02:05:48.439 --> 02:05:53.199 they have six months to fine tune, you know, recalibrate, reorganize, rethink, 2219 02:05:53.279 --> 02:05:55.239 and then they do it and then they're just gonna 2220 02:05:55.520 --> 02:05:58.119 destroy them at a retrial if it happens, And that's 2221 02:05:58.159 --> 02:05:58.560 what you do. 2222 02:05:59.520 --> 02:06:01.760 Yeah, I just it's like the admark. I think, just 2223 02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:04.159 to jump on what you just said, piggyback on it. 2224 02:06:04.439 --> 02:06:07.039 I don't think anybody at this round table, and just 2225 02:06:07.079 --> 02:06:10.199 so the audience knows that when we said what would 2226 02:06:10.279 --> 02:06:12.159 we like to have seen the defense too? I don't 2227 02:06:12.199 --> 02:06:14.239 think we you know, it wasn't intended that we were 2228 02:06:14.279 --> 02:06:18.399 criticizing the defense any way of fashion. I think anything 2229 02:06:18.439 --> 02:06:22.199 they did was strategic. I don't think they left anything 2230 02:06:22.199 --> 02:06:24.000 out that they didn't intend. 2231 02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:24.359 To leave out. 2232 02:06:24.680 --> 02:06:27.560 And it's just that my opinion was I would have 2233 02:06:27.680 --> 02:06:29.079 liked to have had. 2234 02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:30.840 Somebody talk about the three leaders. 2235 02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:33.760 But and obviously they didn't get a chance to really 2236 02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:35.640 bring in the Sally put stuff because it was thrown 2237 02:06:35.680 --> 02:06:38.560 it at them in the ninth inning. But I think 2238 02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:42.119 they did a tremendous job. There isn't I wouldn't hesitate 2239 02:06:42.159 --> 02:06:45.800 for a second to call them for anybody, or myself included, 2240 02:06:45.880 --> 02:06:46.880 if I got jammed up. 2241 02:06:47.760 --> 02:06:51.319 And that's that's the best compliment you can say when 2242 02:06:51.359 --> 02:06:54.199 it comes from like, you know, people like us. If 2243 02:06:54.239 --> 02:06:57.119 I got jammed up, and on my very short list, 2244 02:06:57.159 --> 02:06:58.640 the calls would be him I. 2245 02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:02.359 Can afford it. If I could afford them, that would 2246 02:07:02.399 --> 02:07:04.199 be the only thing that would come into play on 2247 02:07:04.239 --> 02:07:08.039 that I mean Alan Jackson, I mean, come on, how 2248 02:07:08.119 --> 02:07:11.000 much do you think he's charged? He has top shelf. 2249 02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:11.479 That's it. 2250 02:07:11.840 --> 02:07:14.640 I assure you a lot. And again, what we can 2251 02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:17.000 have these conversations about, you know, New York and l 2252 02:07:17.039 --> 02:07:20.600 A rates. It's uh yeah, it's bad, bad. 2253 02:07:20.760 --> 02:07:24.399 It'd we get Melanie, little Melanie, little discount man. 2254 02:07:25.000 --> 02:07:28.399 That's why, you know, you get all serious for a minute. 2255 02:07:28.439 --> 02:07:31.199 You feel terrible about what's happening to Karen Read. You 2256 02:07:31.279 --> 02:07:34.880 can't have them what her legal fees are, whatever you 2257 02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:40.000 think they are. Yeah, because you have expenses. You do 2258 02:07:40.079 --> 02:07:42.840 have out of town lawyers who have to live across 2259 02:07:42.880 --> 02:07:45.800 the country and hotels and eat and do this for 2260 02:07:45.960 --> 02:07:50.520 months at a time and travel and and it's insane with. 2261 02:07:50.640 --> 02:07:51.279 Her legal. 2262 02:07:52.760 --> 02:07:55.880 Four lawyers, and it's it's but what are you going 2263 02:07:55.920 --> 02:07:57.039 to do? You gotta clear your name. 2264 02:07:58.760 --> 02:08:01.840 Nobody cares about that though. On the no one that's 2265 02:08:01.880 --> 02:08:04.479 trying to frame her. You know, Jen McCabe isn't thinking 2266 02:08:04.479 --> 02:08:09.560 about that, about that. This woman you have, I don't 2267 02:08:09.560 --> 02:08:12.199 want to say you've ruined her life, but she has 2268 02:08:12.279 --> 02:08:18.079 to build her entire adulthood over again with starting with work, 2269 02:08:18.479 --> 02:08:21.279 with this beautiful home that she has to sell. I 2270 02:08:21.319 --> 02:08:24.399 would love to have an She has to rebuild all 2271 02:08:24.439 --> 02:08:28.960 of that as a result of these allegations, but they 2272 02:08:28.960 --> 02:08:29.399 don't care. 2273 02:08:30.039 --> 02:08:32.840 The famous quote is, and you know, I remember when 2274 02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:36.119 we had our FBI agent was acquitted or the case 2275 02:08:36.199 --> 02:08:39.600 was dismissed. He made the famous statement that someone else 2276 02:08:39.600 --> 02:08:41.039 has said, you know, where do I go to get 2277 02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:44.399 my reputation back? You know, what do you do for 2278 02:08:44.520 --> 02:08:47.039 someone like Karen Reid? She's going to walk down the 2279 02:08:47.079 --> 02:08:50.199 street and there's always going to be people always. You know, 2280 02:08:50.279 --> 02:08:52.960 they may be those from the island of the misfit 2281 02:08:53.039 --> 02:08:56.560 toys or the online trolls and losers, but they're always 2282 02:08:56.640 --> 02:08:59.560 going to be just you know, cop killer this or that. 2283 02:09:00.119 --> 02:09:03.560 And the reality is, you know, she's probably never even 2284 02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:06.880 had a chance to really even appreciate what happened. I mean, 2285 02:09:06.920 --> 02:09:11.000 if you if you believe she's innocent, then her boyfriend, 2286 02:09:11.079 --> 02:09:13.079 whatever the state of the relationship was at the end, 2287 02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:16.439 was killed. And from day one you were accused him 2288 02:09:16.479 --> 02:09:20.159 of murdering him. So how do you even process all that? 2289 02:09:20.399 --> 02:09:20.880 It's hard. 2290 02:09:23.199 --> 02:09:25.800 Yeah, she's going to like move to Arizona like and 2291 02:09:25.880 --> 02:09:27.279 try to like rebuild her life. 2292 02:09:27.319 --> 02:09:30.199 But you can imagine this woman highly recommend that if 2293 02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:31.560 she's watching go there. 2294 02:09:31.840 --> 02:09:32.079 Yeah. 2295 02:09:32.600 --> 02:09:35.119 She always thought though, guys, is like that she's never 2296 02:09:35.199 --> 02:09:38.119 had even a time to grieve Officer John O'Keefe, right, 2297 02:09:38.560 --> 02:09:43.239 because she's been fighting for her life since January twenty ninth, 2298 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:47.359 twenty twenty two, after the loss of you know, the 2299 02:09:47.439 --> 02:09:50.399 love of her life. You know, whatever you want to say, 2300 02:09:50.439 --> 02:09:53.399 like you say about the state of the relationship, she 2301 02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:56.479 has never had an opportunity And as a nurse, I 2302 02:09:56.560 --> 02:09:58.920 can and as a woman, and you know, I can 2303 02:09:59.079 --> 02:10:02.600 just like imagine because she's just she had to get 2304 02:10:02.640 --> 02:10:05.760 into a zone that I need to figure this out 2305 02:10:06.239 --> 02:10:10.279 and I need to fight because they're never gonna catch 2306 02:10:10.319 --> 02:10:11.119 me laying down. 2307 02:10:11.279 --> 02:10:11.439 Right. 2308 02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:16.720 You know, she's just really, really done the best job 2309 02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:19.600 that I think. I couldn't give her any more compliments 2310 02:10:19.680 --> 02:10:23.159 of the way that she's presented herself and the way 2311 02:10:23.199 --> 02:10:27.279 that she continues to go forward and just really. 2312 02:10:27.239 --> 02:10:29.720 Fight for Officer John O'Keeffe and herself. 2313 02:10:30.960 --> 02:10:34.119 It's interesting because again, when you do this for a living, 2314 02:10:34.199 --> 02:10:36.680 you deal with clients who don't want to be around you. 2315 02:10:36.760 --> 02:10:40.000 Obviously there's something bad has happened. There's stress, there's panic, 2316 02:10:40.479 --> 02:10:45.159 and different people react differently. And if you've met her, 2317 02:10:47.079 --> 02:10:49.159 the word I used previously was she's made a real 2318 02:10:49.279 --> 02:10:55.880 stern and strong stuff. She's real tough and appears to 2319 02:10:55.920 --> 02:10:59.760 present that way publicly and privately, and appears to be 2320 02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:04.560 appears to be highly involved in her own defense. I mean, 2321 02:11:04.640 --> 02:11:08.159 like actively as part of analytically and we should do 2322 02:11:08.199 --> 02:11:10.840 this and do that. And you know a lot of 2323 02:11:10.880 --> 02:11:13.520 clients turtle up. They just can't handle it. They just say, 2324 02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:15.880 you deal with it, and I'm going to go in 2325 02:11:15.920 --> 02:11:18.159 the corner over here and stare at the wall and 2326 02:11:18.199 --> 02:11:21.600 you tell me when there's good news. And you know, 2327 02:11:21.640 --> 02:11:23.800 she's been living this as a fighter for two and 2328 02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:27.800 a half years, getting yelled at, harassed, all this other stuff. 2329 02:11:28.600 --> 02:11:31.800 Listening to those Procter texts. I don't know how anyone 2330 02:11:31.800 --> 02:11:34.279 could do that and just not want to. I mean, 2331 02:11:35.119 --> 02:11:41.520 the humiliation. So I mean, they certainly have a formidable opponent, 2332 02:11:41.840 --> 02:11:43.640 you know, from the eyes of the DA that they 2333 02:11:43.640 --> 02:11:45.520 have to deal with. And you put someone like that 2334 02:11:45.600 --> 02:11:50.079 with skilled lawyers and it's it's probably not gonna end 2335 02:11:50.159 --> 02:11:52.399 good for you know, the Marrissey. 2336 02:11:52.079 --> 02:11:56.439 People sick sick. I don't even know. I don't I 2337 02:11:56.439 --> 02:12:00.119 don't have the right adjective to describe what you have, 2338 02:12:00.319 --> 02:12:04.760 what mindset you, what you have to be to know 2339 02:12:04.960 --> 02:12:09.399 that evidence was monkeyed with and concocted in order to 2340 02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:12.520 get someone to take a fall so that you just 2341 02:12:12.560 --> 02:12:13.199 don't look bad. 2342 02:12:13.319 --> 02:12:19.439 I can't fathom a prosecutor who, upon receiving all those 2343 02:12:19.479 --> 02:12:24.039 federal materials that they got, learns about the arc of stuff, 2344 02:12:24.560 --> 02:12:28.960 learns about Procter's text messages, learns about all the butt 2345 02:12:29.000 --> 02:12:33.199 dials and Google searches and all of that, knows everything 2346 02:12:33.239 --> 02:12:37.880 else about the case, and says, well, we're going to 2347 02:12:37.960 --> 02:12:40.319 send our guy to court, and when they argue about this, 2348 02:12:40.399 --> 02:12:44.119 he's going to say, your honor, we reviewed these materials 2349 02:12:44.159 --> 02:12:47.199 and there's virtually no exculpatory evidence in here. And I'm 2350 02:12:47.199 --> 02:12:50.920 thinking it's all exculpatory. My god, man, what are you 2351 02:12:51.000 --> 02:12:54.680 talking about? And you're still willing to go forward in 2352 02:12:54.720 --> 02:12:56.920 the face of this evidence because you have, you know, 2353 02:12:57.119 --> 02:13:00.279 a Trooper Paul type of character, who I mean, all 2354 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:03.319 kidding aside, he's just not qualified, I mean, the terrible 2355 02:13:03.359 --> 02:13:07.199 witness and that's that. And your claims that she said 2356 02:13:07.199 --> 02:13:11.039 I hit him are essentially your case, and to go 2357 02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:14.319 forward on that, in my view, it's unethical. I mean, 2358 02:13:14.319 --> 02:13:17.800 I think it actually violates. There is an ethical rule 2359 02:13:18.479 --> 02:13:21.560 in Massachusetts, and they're all the same in every state 2360 02:13:22.279 --> 02:13:26.600 that there are. It's titled Special Responsibilities of a Prosecutor. 2361 02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:28.960 I think it's three point eight if anyone wants to look, 2362 02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:31.920 but I forget, but it actually says it. You know, 2363 02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:37.359 you cannot proceed if you don't have probable cause, which 2364 02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:41.439 of course makes sense to everyone, but it's actually unethical 2365 02:13:41.479 --> 02:13:44.960 to be a prosecutor an attempt to prosecute someone knowing 2366 02:13:45.239 --> 02:13:47.920 or what you reasonably should know is a lack of 2367 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:51.800 probable cause. And when they got the ARCA stuff, I 2368 02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:54.479 don't know how in good faith that point, never mind 2369 02:13:54.600 --> 02:13:56.520 proved beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know how they 2370 02:13:56.560 --> 02:13:59.159 could have ever thought they had probable cause to believe 2371 02:13:59.199 --> 02:14:01.720 she's guilty. And you know what those guys were saying 2372 02:14:02.079 --> 02:14:04.439 and what they knew that meant vis a vis the 2373 02:14:04.479 --> 02:14:08.199 Tailwhite then it was probably put there, which matches all 2374 02:14:08.239 --> 02:14:10.960 the other evidence that they had about you know, these guys. 2375 02:14:11.279 --> 02:14:12.399 It's mind boggling. 2376 02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:16.039 And this is not a Massachusetts problem. I mean, if 2377 02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:20.760 you look at go look at New York Brooklyn DA's office, 2378 02:14:20.800 --> 02:14:24.000 detective Louis Scarcela. The New York City has paid out 2379 02:14:24.039 --> 02:14:27.640 like one hundred and ten million dollars in lawsuits. But 2380 02:14:27.720 --> 02:14:31.159 it was a DA in Brooklyn who found out off 2381 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:35.920 a one case from Louis Scarcella. Of I can't David, 2382 02:14:36.760 --> 02:14:40.960 I can't remember what his last name is, but David Randa, 2383 02:14:41.319 --> 02:14:46.199 the David Randa case. Yeah, r Randa, Yeah, broke that 2384 02:14:46.680 --> 02:14:50.880 case open. And now all of Scarcella's cases are going. 2385 02:14:51.119 --> 02:14:53.760 The Dirty the Dirty thirty precinct in the Bronx. 2386 02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:57.560 There's a whole Manhattan that was actually Manhattan, the thirtieth 2387 02:14:57.600 --> 02:14:58.520 precincts in Harlem. 2388 02:14:58.680 --> 02:15:00.560 It was a Manhattan, okay, but there there was also 2389 02:15:00.800 --> 02:15:03.399 there's there's another precinct that had the same thing other 2390 02:15:03.479 --> 02:15:06.640 than the Dirty thirty. So all, I mean, this is 2391 02:15:06.720 --> 02:15:09.000 not unique to Massachusetts, and I don't want people to 2392 02:15:09.000 --> 02:15:11.560 think it is. But look at the Panels County sheriff. 2393 02:15:11.640 --> 02:15:14.000 Just the other day, he said they arrested one of 2394 02:15:14.039 --> 02:15:17.600 their detectives who was helping facilitate drug dealers. But he 2395 02:15:17.640 --> 02:15:20.000 stood up on the podium and he led up to 2396 02:15:20.079 --> 02:15:22.399 it and said, we arrested the guy, and we're going 2397 02:15:22.479 --> 02:15:25.520 to figure out all the people, whomever else was culpable 2398 02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:29.600 in this. That's the problem is what's not happening. But Dan, 2399 02:15:29.720 --> 02:15:33.239 I've you guys for two hours. I will read the 2400 02:15:33.239 --> 02:15:37.600 super chats after you, guys, because I am and calling 2401 02:15:37.640 --> 02:15:41.399 all beings is extremely grateful for your all of you. 2402 02:15:42.720 --> 02:15:48.079 So the any final parting shots. Thank you Mike. It 2403 02:15:48.159 --> 02:15:52.760 was a pleasure meeting you, Oh, Gretel, thank you Jay, 2404 02:15:54.640 --> 02:15:57.000 Thank you guys. It was it was actually an honor 2405 02:15:57.359 --> 02:15:59.920 and a pleasure. I will do those super chats afterward, 2406 02:16:00.439 --> 02:16:02.520 just because I don't want to keep you guys. Thank you, Mark, 2407 02:16:02.920 --> 02:16:06.119 Sergeant Peter Murphy, Nurse Kim. We'll go trying to get 2408 02:16:06.159 --> 02:16:08.119 you on with Masa maybe on the twenty fourth, because 2409 02:16:08.119 --> 02:16:12.640 we're gonna have big brother Masa on there, but on 2410 02:16:12.720 --> 02:16:16.399 behalf of all of Yes, absolutely, he's great. He has 2411 02:16:16.399 --> 02:16:16.920 a profest. 2412 02:16:17.279 --> 02:16:19.800 Yes, I'm sorry, we've been making a lot of wire 2413 02:16:19.920 --> 02:16:23.359 jokes lately online with you've seen if somebody you've seen 2414 02:16:23.359 --> 02:16:28.239 what's going on, maybe maybe Masa should officially become brother Masa. 2415 02:16:28.520 --> 02:16:32.040 Like remember remember the hit man, the religious hit man 2416 02:16:32.159 --> 02:16:36.719 brother brother Brother. I forget his name, but you. 2417 02:16:36.680 --> 02:16:39.440 Know there was a oh you're talking about the guy 2418 02:16:39.440 --> 02:16:41.159 who would have the sought off shotgun. 2419 02:16:42.079 --> 02:16:45.680 No, no, they different. They brought him in from New York. 2420 02:16:45.719 --> 02:16:48.920 He had the bow tie. He was the apparently. 2421 02:16:49.360 --> 02:16:53.879 Brothers in the chat Hi brother Masasa. 2422 02:16:54.159 --> 02:16:57.879 So brother Masa, that's what you should be. I don't 2423 02:16:57.920 --> 02:17:00.360 know why I thought of that, but if he doesn't 2424 02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:01.879 like it, it's okay. But there's been just a lot 2425 02:17:01.879 --> 02:17:02.600 of wire jokes. 2426 02:17:02.639 --> 02:17:06.040 I'll be sister nurse cam absolutely. 2427 02:17:06.079 --> 02:17:08.200 Maybe we'll have you guys on together because we're having 2428 02:17:08.239 --> 02:17:10.360 him on the twenty fourth, and we could try to 2429 02:17:10.360 --> 02:17:13.200 get Attorney Little for that one. Just one of the 2430 02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:16.719 fans like, you gotta get attorney Melanie Little. I was like, 2431 02:17:16.879 --> 02:17:20.399 I will ask her. I will ask her. She's gonna say, yeah, 2432 02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:24.840 everyone brother work. I will absolutely ask her. But maybe 2433 02:17:24.920 --> 02:17:26.799 we could get you guys on as the big three. 2434 02:17:26.840 --> 02:17:30.600 You could be the Garnett let's see. Uh all right, 2435 02:17:30.680 --> 02:17:34.239 help me out with this. It's KG, It's Paul Pierce, 2436 02:17:34.799 --> 02:17:38.040 and it's Ray Allen. Right, but I'm more like. 2437 02:17:41.520 --> 02:17:49.159 Warry Bird, Robert Parrish and uh, what's his name, Michale. 2438 02:17:47.959 --> 02:17:52.200 So I was at Dean College for that season, Uh, Mike, 2439 02:17:52.399 --> 02:17:54.879 And I remember sitting in my dorm room in the 2440 02:17:54.959 --> 02:17:58.239 right hand upper corner of Dean Hall. My roommate had 2441 02:17:58.239 --> 02:18:00.360 a black and white TV and I could sit watch 2442 02:18:00.719 --> 02:18:04.760 Celtics games at night during that season, and it was 2443 02:18:04.840 --> 02:18:09.639 just the most incredible basketball, high level high i Q basketball. 2444 02:18:09.799 --> 02:18:11.760 As a Knicks fan, it hurt, that's all I can 2445 02:18:11.799 --> 02:18:15.559 tell you. But I watched the hell of. 2446 02:18:14.879 --> 02:18:17.600 Those games to thirty West Coast. 2447 02:18:17.680 --> 02:18:21.280 Yeah, there was a period of time where when my 2448 02:18:21.559 --> 02:18:23.520 son was going to be born that I wanted his 2449 02:18:23.559 --> 02:18:24.319 middle name. 2450 02:18:24.159 --> 02:18:25.319 To be and I was. 2451 02:18:25.399 --> 02:18:28.040 I was dead serious, and it was because it didn't 2452 02:18:28.040 --> 02:18:31.159 work out. As you can imagine, he's amazing. 2453 02:18:32.799 --> 02:18:36.120 The Lakers probably would not have won that that other title, 2454 02:18:36.280 --> 02:18:39.920 you know, without without Rondo's influence that year. So he's 2455 02:18:39.959 --> 02:18:42.760 a great player. All right, guys, thank you so much. 2456 02:18:43.040 --> 02:18:46.760 One love to all of you. Oh, I have quote, Okay, 2457 02:18:46.799 --> 02:18:50.280 so I'm sorry. Uh so reality check once. She has 2458 02:18:50.319 --> 02:18:53.799 a question for Mark and Peter in the super chat, 2459 02:18:53.879 --> 02:18:56.959 so she's not gonna let me let you go without that. 2460 02:18:57.479 --> 02:19:00.920 All right, reality check? All right, bye, Thank you so much, 2461 02:19:00.959 --> 02:19:05.600 my dear by Mike. You guys are awesome. Yep, all right, 2462 02:19:05.719 --> 02:19:08.120 let me get to reality check. Okay, here you go. 2463 02:19:08.239 --> 02:19:11.319 Thank you. I'm sorry. I was just I didn't want 2464 02:19:11.360 --> 02:19:13.600 to keep these guys too long. But Peter, this one's 2465 02:19:13.600 --> 02:19:16.920 for you, all right, Peter. Shouldn't the l E have 2466 02:19:17.000 --> 02:19:20.680 obtained camera footage of all cars travels who were there 2467 02:19:20.680 --> 02:19:24.440 at the house to verify their leave times and have 2468 02:19:24.479 --> 02:19:27.440 a correct timeline. I think she's referring to those ring 2469 02:19:27.520 --> 02:19:32.200 cameras that suddenly, you know, Deputy Chief or whatever doesn't 2470 02:19:32.239 --> 02:19:35.239 have them. Shouldn't they have gotten all those cameras? 2471 02:19:36.159 --> 02:19:37.159 Yeah, I mean, I think. 2472 02:19:38.559 --> 02:19:41.840 I think I can quote Aiden is saying that he 2473 02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:45.920 has traversed all of the side streets that would approach 2474 02:19:47.239 --> 02:19:50.559 the main streets and making you know, Karen's way back 2475 02:19:50.600 --> 02:19:55.239 to Meadows Lane. And I've been told there's hundreds of 2476 02:19:55.319 --> 02:20:00.760 ring cameras and that the investigators never ever looked at 2477 02:20:00.799 --> 02:20:05.280 those ring cameras, or if they did, there was no 2478 02:20:05.319 --> 02:20:10.920 information forthcoming. And I I gotta believe that I've been told, 2479 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:13.399 and I don't have receipts, that there is a ring 2480 02:20:13.479 --> 02:20:18.239 camera that shows that Fort Edge around two thirty to 2481 02:20:18.280 --> 02:20:22.399 three in the morning, and I've been told that's that's 2482 02:20:22.440 --> 02:20:25.760 pending that may come out in the sequel if there 2483 02:20:25.799 --> 02:20:27.920 is a second trial, or maybe the Feds will bring 2484 02:20:27.959 --> 02:20:29.120 that forward if they come in. 2485 02:20:29.559 --> 02:20:30.680 But I've been. 2486 02:20:30.479 --> 02:20:33.719 Told as a ring camera that shows the fort Edge, 2487 02:20:34.360 --> 02:20:36.959 which would be very very incriminating. 2488 02:20:38.239 --> 02:20:42.799 Anything exculpatory, we ain't got it. Don't have it. If 2489 02:20:42.799 --> 02:20:45.680 there's something that shows no Keith being dropped off and 2490 02:20:45.760 --> 02:20:49.000 walking in the house, we don't have. If it's something 2491 02:20:49.040 --> 02:20:52.959 incriminating him hit him, I hit him, I hit him, 2492 02:20:53.040 --> 02:20:56.520 hit him anyway, Thank you for that, Peter, Mark. Uh 2493 02:20:56.559 --> 02:20:59.319 this is your question right here. Mark. Is it possible 2494 02:20:59.360 --> 02:21:03.799 to foil what other juris Fanning was in charge of? 2495 02:21:04.360 --> 02:21:06.280 I mean, you can boy of that information. 2496 02:21:06.719 --> 02:21:09.799 You can, but then you know, welcome to the bureaucracy. 2497 02:21:11.079 --> 02:21:15.200 It goes to a foil records access officer who acknowledges 2498 02:21:15.319 --> 02:21:18.680 receipt of the request, and then they give you the 2499 02:21:18.719 --> 02:21:21.799 standard we'll get to it soon and give you an update, 2500 02:21:21.840 --> 02:21:24.479 which they may or may not do. Then they go 2501 02:21:24.600 --> 02:21:27.680 down their little lists. Are their reasons not to share this? 2502 02:21:27.799 --> 02:21:32.479 You know there were certain exceptions built in, maybe there aren't, 2503 02:21:32.520 --> 02:21:36.479 and they just eventually respond and give you something, but 2504 02:21:36.600 --> 02:21:39.520 of course it's heavily redacted and you get a piece 2505 02:21:39.520 --> 02:21:43.280 of paper that's mostly colored black with maybe three lines 2506 02:21:43.319 --> 02:21:46.040 on something. But you could. I mean, I don't know 2507 02:21:46.120 --> 02:21:50.639 why that would be subject to non disclosure under FOIL. 2508 02:21:50.719 --> 02:21:54.159 You're not asking for the jurors information. You're not asking 2509 02:21:54.200 --> 02:21:57.719 for stuff that would be sensitive. You're asking, you know, 2510 02:21:57.840 --> 02:22:03.159 about whether where a public employee was assigned at any 2511 02:22:03.200 --> 02:22:06.799 given time. I guess you know, are there documents responsive 2512 02:22:06.840 --> 02:22:09.479 to it? I don't know, but yeah, that's a request 2513 02:22:09.479 --> 02:22:11.239 you should make. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have 2514 02:22:11.319 --> 02:22:13.719 to disclose that if the records exist. 2515 02:22:15.000 --> 02:22:19.440 Just there's no end to people trying to put their 2516 02:22:19.479 --> 02:22:22.760 finger on this. There's no reason that that guy should 2517 02:22:22.760 --> 02:22:26.280 be there, even at his rank. There's no reason he 2518 02:22:26.319 --> 02:22:29.040 should be there interacting with the jury when he has 2519 02:22:29.159 --> 02:22:33.200 colleagues that are witnesses. It's just if I can't believe 2520 02:22:33.200 --> 02:22:36.600 that people like Kevin can't see this. It's so obvious 2521 02:22:37.040 --> 02:22:40.840 every single thing they're trying to do to manipulate this 2522 02:22:41.239 --> 02:22:43.600 that they can do, including you know what's going to 2523 02:22:43.639 --> 02:22:47.000 come up about these that Aiden reported this week about 2524 02:22:47.000 --> 02:22:51.000 those two jurors getting bounced that appeared to be pro 2525 02:22:51.159 --> 02:22:54.879 Karen Reader appear to be disgusted with practice testimony, and 2526 02:22:54.920 --> 02:22:57.600 then you have this guy, potentially we got to get 2527 02:22:57.639 --> 02:23:01.200 rid of her. It's they just don't have any shame 2528 02:23:01.239 --> 02:23:08.120 and don't realize that intelligent people see this game. We're 2529 02:23:08.159 --> 02:23:10.760 not You're not fooling us. I know you might think so, 2530 02:23:10.840 --> 02:23:12.840 you might think we're really dumb, and there are some 2531 02:23:12.959 --> 02:23:14.399 of the bull but that's not us. 2532 02:23:14.799 --> 02:23:15.000 Yeah. 2533 02:23:15.120 --> 02:23:17.159 I don't know what he did or didn't do, but 2534 02:23:17.200 --> 02:23:19.840 I can certainly agree with you at a minimum that 2535 02:23:20.360 --> 02:23:23.440 a guy who is the supervisor of the Norfolk County 2536 02:23:23.520 --> 02:23:28.520 DA's Office State Police contingent their homicide unit, who directly 2537 02:23:28.559 --> 02:23:32.680 supervises Tully, Buchanic and Procter, is copied on some of 2538 02:23:32.680 --> 02:23:35.079 the text messages and all of that. I mean, I 2539 02:23:35.120 --> 02:23:38.479 said this last night somewhere else. The only time that 2540 02:23:38.520 --> 02:23:41.399 he should ever be anywhere near the jury is if 2541 02:23:41.440 --> 02:23:44.559 he's under oath in the box answering questions from the lawyers. 2542 02:23:44.600 --> 02:23:47.840 Other than that, he has no business being near anyone 2543 02:23:48.159 --> 02:23:50.920 in that case. It just there's no legitimate reason for 2544 02:23:51.040 --> 02:23:53.000 him to be there other than being a witness. Having 2545 02:23:53.079 --> 02:23:54.719 said that, I don't know what he did or didn't do. 2546 02:23:55.079 --> 02:24:00.440 I don't know, but the report itself was disturbing for sure, been. 2547 02:24:00.280 --> 02:24:03.879 For one second here, sir, Yes, I. 2548 02:24:03.799 --> 02:24:06.120 Don't know how familiar both of you gentlemen are with 2549 02:24:06.280 --> 02:24:08.360 the Sandra Birchmore case. 2550 02:24:08.920 --> 02:24:09.280 Not that. 2551 02:24:11.000 --> 02:24:14.440 Okay, so I'm just gonna touch on it. But the 2552 02:24:14.520 --> 02:24:20.840 Sandra Birchmore case goes directly to again, more police corruption, 2553 02:24:21.040 --> 02:24:22.840 and it happened to be in the town of Stoughton. 2554 02:24:23.680 --> 02:24:25.239 There were several police officers in. 2555 02:24:25.200 --> 02:24:28.399 The town of Stoughton, which is adjacent to Canton, that 2556 02:24:28.760 --> 02:24:35.200 had a inappropriate relationship with a young girl, took advantage 2557 02:24:35.239 --> 02:24:39.159 of her, and allegedly one of the officers fathered a 2558 02:24:39.280 --> 02:24:41.680 child or was going to father a child, got her pregnant, 2559 02:24:42.159 --> 02:24:47.760 and is now the suspect of an investigation that was ruled. 2560 02:24:48.000 --> 02:24:52.239 And here's the story. The investigation was ruled a suicide, 2561 02:24:52.920 --> 02:24:56.600 and it was investigated by the Canton Police in Canton 2562 02:24:56.719 --> 02:25:00.000 because that's where her apartment was. And I was told 2563 02:25:00.120 --> 02:25:03.799 by several law enforcement officers that there's no way that 2564 02:25:03.799 --> 02:25:07.440 that was a suicide. And my understanding now is that 2565 02:25:07.479 --> 02:25:10.200 it went to the it's been grabbed and put into 2566 02:25:10.200 --> 02:25:15.040 the Attorney General's hands from the DA's office, and Fanning 2567 02:25:15.360 --> 02:25:16.799 was a lead investigator. 2568 02:25:16.840 --> 02:25:20.719 I guess in it and it's now been ruled a homicide. 2569 02:25:21.959 --> 02:25:24.959 Have you guys been I did than just now. 2570 02:25:25.559 --> 02:25:27.799 I did not know that. I only knew that doctor 2571 02:25:27.840 --> 02:25:30.479 Boden said that it was a homicide. I did not 2572 02:25:30.719 --> 02:25:34.520 know it's been ruled a homicide. That is huge, huge news. 2573 02:25:34.559 --> 02:25:38.680 Wow for Sandra Birschmore right, thank you. 2574 02:25:38.719 --> 02:25:43.719 And and there could be the nexus, gentleman, between or 2575 02:25:43.760 --> 02:25:46.399 why there may have been a federal investigation and why 2576 02:25:46.440 --> 02:25:50.360 attaps possibly going through Morrissey's office in advance of the 2577 02:25:50.399 --> 02:25:54.159 read case. And there was also another case that went 2578 02:25:54.200 --> 02:25:59.319 before this mark It was Senator Brian Joyce. Brian Joyce 2579 02:25:59.440 --> 02:26:02.680 was all jam up with extortion and money laundering and. 2580 02:26:04.520 --> 02:26:06.280 Racketeering, I think, and he. 2581 02:26:06.319 --> 02:26:10.520 Suspiciously died I guess in a suicide act himself. 2582 02:26:11.680 --> 02:26:12.760 And never went to trial. 2583 02:26:13.079 --> 02:26:16.280 I mean, it just seems like the spokes of the 2584 02:26:16.280 --> 02:26:19.760 wheel radiate out, but they all connected the same tire. 2585 02:26:21.239 --> 02:26:24.159 Why would Fanning, just question, why would Fanning, who was 2586 02:26:24.200 --> 02:26:28.399 a Stolton police officer for a number of years, became 2587 02:26:28.440 --> 02:26:32.440 a state trooper and assigned to the death investigation where 2588 02:26:32.479 --> 02:26:35.040 the Stolton police could be prime sust. 2589 02:26:36.280 --> 02:26:37.639 Should be prime suspects. 2590 02:26:38.000 --> 02:26:42.120 Why would the state police, uh be investigating a journalist 2591 02:26:42.399 --> 02:26:45.479 in a case where the DA recuse themselves and where 2592 02:26:45.520 --> 02:26:49.559 two state troopers are alleged victims, and yet they're still 2593 02:26:49.639 --> 02:26:53.680 investigating the case and trying to interview witnesses. It makes 2594 02:26:53.680 --> 02:26:58.040 no sense. But you know, again, the way the state Police, 2595 02:26:58.159 --> 02:27:01.920 the Norfolk Branch, if you will, of the DA's office 2596 02:27:01.920 --> 02:27:06.200 and the state Police, the way they do things, it's Chinatown. 2597 02:27:06.479 --> 02:27:09.760 It's just I don't believe in ethics, how we ethics, how. 2598 02:27:09.600 --> 02:27:12.200 We do it. And you know, to your point earlier, 2599 02:27:12.239 --> 02:27:13.920 it's kind of the same thing that judge said when 2600 02:27:13.959 --> 02:27:16.959 they were fighting over the verdict sheet. If you recalled 2601 02:27:17.120 --> 02:27:19.399 say this is how we do it in Massachusetts, it's 2602 02:27:19.520 --> 02:27:22.840 just forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. Don't come in here 2603 02:27:22.879 --> 02:27:25.079 and tell us you know how we do things. It's 2604 02:27:25.120 --> 02:27:27.360 how we do it. And that's not good. 2605 02:27:28.600 --> 02:27:33.399 Yeah, it's it's very it's uh. It's just they really 2606 02:27:33.440 --> 02:27:36.079 just need to blow that up because you just have 2607 02:27:36.120 --> 02:27:38.399 to have ethics. I mean, you can't even I've been 2608 02:27:38.399 --> 02:27:40.399 in government, you know for thirty years. You can't even 2609 02:27:40.399 --> 02:27:44.920 give your your boss uh over a ten dollars Christmas gift. 2610 02:27:45.120 --> 02:27:48.600 I mean, just because of appearances. And now these cops 2611 02:27:48.600 --> 02:27:53.879 are donating to Morrissey's uh, you know, to Morrisey's a 2612 02:27:53.959 --> 02:27:56.040 reelection campaign. I mean it's. 2613 02:27:55.799 --> 02:27:57.920 Prosecuted, but it's insane. 2614 02:27:58.000 --> 02:28:02.879 Yeah, yeah, I give yeah, my boss money for his reelection. 2615 02:28:03.120 --> 02:28:05.479 I mean, that's horrible, and that is just that just 2616 02:28:05.719 --> 02:28:09.520 is such a red flag for either corruption or the 2617 02:28:09.559 --> 02:28:14.040 appearance of corruption that you're literally stuffing money, even small amounts, 2618 02:28:14.559 --> 02:28:16.959 into the pockets of your boss, who essentially runs on 2619 02:28:17.040 --> 02:28:19.799 a posed anyway, it's a loyalty test. It's I need 2620 02:28:19.840 --> 02:28:22.680 to know you're with me, you know, are you kicking up, 2621 02:28:22.760 --> 02:28:26.440 are you on the team. It's just there's no need 2622 02:28:26.479 --> 02:28:29.879 for that. And lawyers should not be donating to their 2623 02:28:30.040 --> 02:28:33.040 public boss. That's crazy. And the same with the state 2624 02:28:33.079 --> 02:28:36.399 police guys. And does that influence Marrissey about why he 2625 02:28:36.440 --> 02:28:40.120 makes ridiculous public statements about at the time Proctor didn't 2626 02:28:40.159 --> 02:28:42.920 know anyone, or these are all good people and all 2627 02:28:42.959 --> 02:28:45.440 these other ridiculous things that he says. You can't help 2628 02:28:45.479 --> 02:28:48.920 but wonder with how close are they and whether it's 2629 02:28:48.920 --> 02:28:54.959 politically personally and it's just one big apparent cesspool. The 2630 02:28:55.000 --> 02:28:58.079 way people look at it and the contributions just make 2631 02:28:58.159 --> 02:28:58.559 that worse. 2632 02:29:00.120 --> 02:29:01.959 Yeah, well I've had I've had two people all in 2633 02:29:02.120 --> 02:29:03.840 with this, or at least I'll add this. Yeah, I've 2634 02:29:03.840 --> 02:29:05.520 had two people come to me in the last couple 2635 02:29:05.559 --> 02:29:09.200 of weeks from two different venues that said they bumped 2636 02:29:09.239 --> 02:29:13.680 into uh Da Morrissey and one one of the uh 2637 02:29:13.840 --> 02:29:17.000 contacts was made I guess with Tully as well at 2638 02:29:17.000 --> 02:29:20.479 a bar and uh they brought up Tully and Morrissey 2639 02:29:20.559 --> 02:29:22.399 brought up the conversation about what do you think about 2640 02:29:22.440 --> 02:29:23.360 the Karen Reid trial? 2641 02:29:24.280 --> 02:29:26.159 And where are you from? What county? 2642 02:29:27.040 --> 02:29:27.159 No? 2643 02:29:27.479 --> 02:29:29.600 I don't live in Norfolk County. Oh well, what do 2644 02:29:29.639 --> 02:29:32.719 you think you'd be a good source to sound from. 2645 02:29:32.920 --> 02:29:36.200 I think she's innocent. Oh well, no, she's guilty. Can 2646 02:29:36.239 --> 02:29:43.000 I buy you a drink? It gets better, it gets better. 2647 02:29:43.120 --> 02:29:48.280 Supposedly recently a conversation took place and he indicated Morrissey 2648 02:29:48.799 --> 02:29:52.000 that same type of sounding, you know. 2649 02:29:51.959 --> 02:29:54.120 A little cursory. Hi, where are you from? 2650 02:29:54.200 --> 02:29:56.520 Bump buh buy? You must know who I am. What 2651 02:29:56.559 --> 02:29:59.680 do you think about the case? Well, she's innocent? Really no, 2652 02:29:59.840 --> 02:30:07.280 she he's guilty. And you'll see, Yeah, he didn't know 2653 02:30:07.319 --> 02:30:10.040 who these people were. I mean, this was just just 2654 02:30:10.600 --> 02:30:11.200 street talk. 2655 02:30:12.280 --> 02:30:16.920 Yeah, he's just a They're dishonest, uh, dishonest people and 2656 02:30:17.600 --> 02:30:21.000 people we just you just understand the human condition. You 2657 02:30:21.040 --> 02:30:23.680 know that people have the ability to frame someone and 2658 02:30:23.879 --> 02:30:25.840 see them go to jail and sleep like a baby. 2659 02:30:26.200 --> 02:30:30.680 Everything they do again breeds corruption. I mean when you 2660 02:30:30.799 --> 02:30:35.520 have a da is basically if he wants to be 2661 02:30:36.000 --> 02:30:38.200 maybe not now with this case, but you get the point, 2662 02:30:38.319 --> 02:30:41.920 DA for life and can sit up there on the 2663 02:30:41.920 --> 02:30:46.200 big chair, run unopposed, but still runs his campaign, still 2664 02:30:46.200 --> 02:30:50.600 collects money, makes bank, gives it to other candidates because 2665 02:30:50.639 --> 02:30:53.559 he doesn't need it, and does all these things, and 2666 02:30:53.639 --> 02:30:58.799 you just become you know, you just become lazy. You 2667 02:30:58.920 --> 02:31:02.959 become air again, and you become in certain cases corrupt, 2668 02:31:03.559 --> 02:31:05.120 and you do what you want. You think you can 2669 02:31:05.159 --> 02:31:07.760 get away with anything, and you know, right down to 2670 02:31:07.920 --> 02:31:11.840 just having conversations in bars, telling people and buying them 2671 02:31:11.920 --> 02:31:16.200 drinks and collecting money from subordinates and just whatever. We'll 2672 02:31:16.239 --> 02:31:18.559 just keep going and no one's ever going to challenge me. 2673 02:31:18.600 --> 02:31:22.120 And I'm never going to be really accountable to the voters. 2674 02:31:22.159 --> 02:31:25.239 I mean not practically. I mean, let's let's I mean 2675 02:31:25.319 --> 02:31:28.879 be honest. He is politically a hacks hack right. I 2676 02:31:28.959 --> 02:31:31.719 mean he is the quintessential. Has he ever had a 2677 02:31:31.840 --> 02:31:35.239 job that does not involve when's the last should say, ever, 2678 02:31:35.639 --> 02:31:37.959 when's the last time he worked in you know, in 2679 02:31:38.000 --> 02:31:41.879 the private sector. It's all politics, it's all you know, 2680 02:31:42.000 --> 02:31:45.319 the quinsy machine or whatever it is. And he's a 2681 02:31:45.440 --> 02:31:49.600 delegate for all the national I mean, it's all politics. 2682 02:31:49.680 --> 02:31:53.079 And when it's when the DA's office is all about politics, 2683 02:31:53.239 --> 02:31:55.079 that's not a good sign because it's it ought to 2684 02:31:55.120 --> 02:31:55.959 be about justice. 2685 02:31:57.719 --> 02:32:00.520 I think we'll end it there, gentlemen. I can't thank 2686 02:32:00.559 --> 02:32:04.440 you enough for your time, Peter meeting you and now 2687 02:32:04.559 --> 02:32:07.840 Mark meeting you, and it was an honor to have 2688 02:32:07.879 --> 02:32:11.280 you on calling all beings TCU, and I look forward 2689 02:32:11.360 --> 02:32:15.200 to inviting you both back again. So thank you. 2690 02:32:15.600 --> 02:32:17.000 I appreciate it. It was great. 2691 02:32:17.239 --> 02:32:18.959 I met Mark a couple of weeks ago, up and 2692 02:32:19.000 --> 02:32:21.920 down ded him when he came up with Melanie, and 2693 02:32:22.200 --> 02:32:22.639 it was. 2694 02:32:22.799 --> 02:32:24.760 Great to see him. Great to meet him. 2695 02:32:24.840 --> 02:32:27.799 And I would like to just offer I'd like to 2696 02:32:27.840 --> 02:32:32.319 exchange off offline here at some point through either DJ 2697 02:32:32.479 --> 02:32:35.399 or whatever, just a way to communicate with everybody that 2698 02:32:35.479 --> 02:32:37.920 was at the roundtable tonight via text or email. 2699 02:32:38.040 --> 02:32:40.200 Or something, so we'll leave it at that request. 2700 02:32:41.280 --> 02:32:45.879 Yes, I can send you Mark, I've got yours, and 2701 02:32:45.920 --> 02:32:49.079 I can send Peter. I can share that. I don't 2702 02:32:49.079 --> 02:32:52.159 have Nurse Kim nor Mike, but I'm sure they would 2703 02:32:52.159 --> 02:32:54.600 share it with you. But I can definitely get you Mark, 2704 02:32:54.680 --> 02:32:57.559 and on behalf of all of calling, all beings, all 2705 02:32:57.639 --> 02:33:01.120 the people in the chat and everybody. We say thank 2706 02:33:01.159 --> 02:33:04.120 you very much. We do all right, Take care guys. 2707 02:33:17.399 --> 02:33:17.440 M