Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back to Calling All Beings everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, DJ, and it is an absolute honor
Speaker 2: and pleasure to be doing our I think it's our
Speaker 2: third or third Karen Reid Roundtable our. Karen read episode
Speaker 2: specific Episode one. I did myself just because I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about it, and then the uh uh oh,
Speaker 2: why am I hearing me on my YouTube? Some there
Speaker 2: you go? I got that off. I guess I always listening,
Speaker 2: had cab YouTube up on my phone anyway, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I did the first one myself, and then the second
Speaker 2: one Courtney and I hosted Sean. So I guess this
Speaker 2: is the third. I'm your host, DJ, and that is
Speaker 2: Courtney Marcusani my co host. I'm Calling All Beings? What
Speaker 2: is up? Homegirl?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 4: What's up? What's up? Glad to be back.
Speaker 3: This is going to be a very powerhouse panel tonight,
Speaker 3: so I had to jump in and co host with you.
Speaker 3: To listen to the experts, legal.
Speaker 2: Experts, brilliant, brilliant people that we're having on tonight. I
Speaker 2: have listened to as a content creator fourteen years. I
Speaker 2: have listened and admired all these folks as guests and
Speaker 2: content creators alike. So with that, let's let's bring them
Speaker 2: on one at a time. And what I did is
Speaker 2: in the order they signed up to be then to
Speaker 2: join this roundtable, and we were unable to get our friend,
Speaker 2: Sean ended up taking a vacation. He needed a break,
Speaker 2: he needed a break from everything, so he ended up
Speaker 2: getting us Sergeant Murphy. But the first person other than
Speaker 2: Sean to sign on is none other than my homegirl
Speaker 2: right here, a new content creator who is going to
Speaker 2: blow it up. I mean the stuff that she's doing.
Speaker 2: Brand new content creator. She's an absolute firebrand as a
Speaker 2: guest and look out because her incisive analysis her unparalleled
Speaker 2: with and she will be a YouTube sensation. So party
Speaker 2: people put yah together for Nursekim.
Speaker 1: Applause, Yeah, Nursekim, get me involved.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to have you introduce.
Speaker 5: Me for my stuff because that was just that just
Speaker 5: made me feel really nice anytime.
Speaker 2: Nurse Kim, you got so much skill and so much talent,
Speaker 2: and man, it just watching you, you know, you were
Speaker 2: just so comfortable with Rita today. I just love that
Speaker 2: episode Rita Lombardi on Nurse Kim And yes I watched it, so.
Speaker 4: Thank you, DJ.
Speaker 5: She is listen She is the cant and Queen and
Speaker 5: she is a local activist, ground roots level, and I
Speaker 5: just get.
Speaker 4: Inspiration from Rita.
Speaker 5: And I couldn't have asked for a better number two
Speaker 5: after mister Mark bettero as my.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, I don't know, like twenty thousand views
Speaker 2: for Attorney Bedro so he's coming up shortly. The next
Speaker 2: gentleman who joined us wasn't a scrub high school wrestler
Speaker 2: like me. He was actually good and that's how he
Speaker 2: became a high school wrestling coach and educator in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: He is a wildly popular YouTube host Massachusetts Award winn
Speaker 2: Show Journalists and Exposure of Corruption, and the host of
Speaker 2: the Young Jerks So Party people put.
Speaker 1: Those it's together for my Crawford.
Speaker 6: Wow, yeah, you're pumping me up. I haven't been this
Speaker 6: pumped up since like high school wrestling.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would be your buddy about out on
Speaker 2: the mat. I'd be the guy who just lost to me. Like,
Speaker 2: come on, Mike, I know you can get it for
Speaker 2: this weight class.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: You can get the win for this weight class because
Speaker 2: I done just lost one thirty two anyway that I will.
Speaker 6: Get that win at Oh yeah, we'll get it. I
Speaker 6: will go out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this. My high school wrestling helped
Speaker 2: me out in BJJ quite a bit, quite a bit,
Speaker 2: so that I have high school wrestling to thank for that.
Speaker 2: Uh and I loved it. And still I actually had
Speaker 2: a dinner with the coach and brought wrestlers in last
Speaker 2: year and I graduated in eighty five.
Speaker 6: So anyway, right, both eighty wrestlers. I love it. I
Speaker 6: don't know how you do the restart, Like you really
Speaker 6: found out a lot about me.
Speaker 2: When I say I'm watching your content, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: I mean I've been do you know, podcasting for fourteen years.
Speaker 2: I love great content. And when I found out about
Speaker 2: this and this Karen Reid thing, I jumped on that
Speaker 2: train and I am with you guys, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go the SA. A third person to
Speaker 2: join this, This gentleman right here, former Manhattan Assistant DA
Speaker 2: celebrated New York City defense attorney of over twenty years
Speaker 2: experience and the official co counsel of the hashtag free
Speaker 2: Karen Reid movement, along with his friend and homegirl from
Speaker 2: New York City litigation Melanie Little So party people put
Speaker 2: those hands together for attorney Mark better.
Speaker 5: Go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like back on the bar Mitzvah circuit. This
Speaker 7: is quite the intro.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So and my parallels with Mark. We're both Jewish.
Speaker 2: I'm from New York, but I went to college in
Speaker 2: Massachusetts and Mark is from Massachusetts and practices in New York.
Speaker 2: So I'm from just up the Hudson River from me
Speaker 2: in Hendrick Cutson High School in Montrose near Peaks Kill.
Speaker 2: So anyway, all right, our last guest man on my
Speaker 2: way out to Colorado. I've just moved to Colorado last weekend,
Speaker 2: as some of you know, and I got a call.
Speaker 2: I got to speak with this gentleman because Sean McDonald
Speaker 2: was so kind to find us someone to come on
Speaker 2: since he couldn't. And we have been talking about this gentleman,
Speaker 2: and Mark very very rightly and very well spoken, you know,
Speaker 2: basically said, this man is got extreme courage for putting
Speaker 2: himself on the line against fellow officers because it was
Speaker 2: the right thing to do. So he is retired Canton
Speaker 2: p D. Sergeant put the hands together for Peter Murphy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jugia Murphy, thank you. It's an honor to have you man.
Speaker 2: We've had some really great dialogue. I've talked to him
Speaker 2: at least one other time since I've been out here,
Speaker 2: and if not twice, and I've really enjoyed it. As
Speaker 2: I try to settle in, I'm in my hotel room
Speaker 2: here in my hotel room studio. So anyway, so the
Speaker 2: calling all beings round table real quickly. Rules of engagement
Speaker 2: are quite simple. One of us will start and then
Speaker 2: it'll just go around in a circle and everyone will
Speaker 2: get to react to the topic that's been presented. Courtney
Speaker 2: is kind of thinking of herself as an observer. Is
Speaker 2: that correct, Courtney? Are you You're not going to present
Speaker 2: a topic her question or what?
Speaker 4: Probably not?
Speaker 3: You know, you guys are more expert in the case.
Speaker 3: I'm still coming up on the speed on it. So
Speaker 3: I'll just co host and do what you need me
Speaker 3: to do. You but yeah, I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: able to ask anything that you guys haven't answered before,
Speaker 3: so it's best to let the experts take the.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, well I can kick it off
Speaker 2: and then we can go, oh okay, let me turn
Speaker 2: it down, thank you very much. I didn't know. Let
Speaker 2: me go to my stream ard saying somebody told me
Speaker 2: I'm too loud, sot me, there's nothing more annoying. Okay,
Speaker 2: check check check, how's that? How do you guys hear that?
Speaker 2: Is that good? And in the chat?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a little bit better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Is it too loud? Because I can go lower? Maybe
Speaker 2: a little a little lower. Let's go lower, a little
Speaker 2: bit lower. Nothing is more annoying than when somebody's mic
Speaker 2: is too loud. You're good, You're good, you're feeling good. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, let me know because I I have no
Speaker 2: issue about turning that down. Welcome everybody in the chat.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us, for these amazing people. If
Speaker 2: you're so inclined to share a blessing with us there
Speaker 2: at the super chat, we'll get your question answered afterward,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have basically, we're gonna go around the roundtable.
Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna present their topic, everyone's gonna get to react
Speaker 2: to that topic, and then what will happen is after
Speaker 2: the fact, Uh, we'll we'll just have free flowing conversation
Speaker 2: and take questions from the chat. So just let us
Speaker 2: know what you got. Thank you very much. And all right,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna throw out I said you know, you
Speaker 2: could present a topic, a question, or a hypothesis and
Speaker 2: everybody else will react to it. So I'm gonna throw
Speaker 2: mine to murse Nurse Kim. So my hypothesis is after
Speaker 2: viewing the micro dot video, and I realized that a
Speaker 2: lot of you guys saw this quite a while, probably
Speaker 2: before I did, And in looking at that video where
Speaker 2: that he did recently, where it presents the sequence of
Speaker 2: events front to back with what he knows and what
Speaker 2: he surmises, it is a brilliant, brilliant production that he
Speaker 2: did there. I know all his content creators like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, look at that video he made. So in
Speaker 2: any case, when I saw that and I saw Brian
Speaker 2: Higgins with his left hand and someone was standing in
Speaker 2: front of him, you guys can correct me if he
Speaker 2: thank you very much, Reality checked for that blessing. We
Speaker 2: got you start and we'll get that in there. When
Speaker 2: that happened, that point in the bar, to me and
Speaker 2: anybody who's been in a bar situation where there's a fight,
Speaker 2: it only means one thing. That means, hey, you he's
Speaker 2: pointing over his shoulder either. I think it was Chris
Speaker 2: Albert was sort of standing in his way. And he
Speaker 2: was like kind of like, do you want some of this?
Speaker 2: You want some of this, you can come and get
Speaker 2: some of this, because here's the guy who's gonna leave
Speaker 2: the bar without a girl, and the girl he wants
Speaker 2: is sitting over there with her boyfriend, and that pisses
Speaker 2: off a drunk person even more that guy who wants
Speaker 2: the girl, and there's a sort of taller, handsomer, better
Speaker 2: looking person across the bar that is with the girl
Speaker 2: that he desires. And so I think he was challenging
Speaker 2: John O'Keeffe to a fight. I believe that John O'Keefe's
Speaker 2: this isn't just in my opinion, So I want everyone
Speaker 2: to take this with a grain of pink salt, that
Speaker 2: Himalayan salt. I believe that he was challenging John to
Speaker 2: a fight, and that with that text are you coming?
Speaker 2: And then when he turned up at Brian Albert's house, Brian,
Speaker 2: being you know, amateur boxer and all this sort of thing,
Speaker 2: probably said, hey, man, you guys got something to settle.
Speaker 2: Let's go down in the basement. I got a gym
Speaker 2: down there. You guys can settle it down there. It
Speaker 2: will be law enforcement officers out on the street doing this,
Speaker 2: and that's what I believe led to the fight. What
Speaker 2: happened after that, I have no idea. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Colin Albert tried to get a shot in and
Speaker 2: that's how he heard his I have no idea, but
Speaker 2: I believe the premise of it was a fight was hey,
Speaker 2: do you want to fight? By the point, we all
Speaker 2: know what that means, do you want to fight me?
Speaker 2: You want some of this? And then with him say hey,
Speaker 2: you comming and then him showing up at the Albert's residence,
Speaker 2: I believe Brian Albert would say, Ah, you two guys
Speaker 2: want to get it on. Let's go downstairs to my gym.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna have We're not gonna be in the
Speaker 2: living room, not gonna be in the kitchen, not gonna
Speaker 2: be in the bedroom, not gonna be in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Go downstairs at the gym. Nurse Kim take it away, ma'am,
Speaker 2: and then we'll go next to Mike Mark and Sargeant Murphy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, dj I absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 5: I when we saw the Look the Other Way video
Speaker 5: by micro Dots, it was incredible for me. That video
Speaker 5: put everything that I had thought, you know, I could
Speaker 5: have these opinions or thoughts about what I had surmised happened.
Speaker 5: But to see it in a artistic representation on a
Speaker 5: screen like made the hair on my arms stand right up,
Speaker 5: like I felt it. It made me sad, It made
Speaker 5: me angry. There was I had like a visceral reaction
Speaker 5: to seeing that video and it was masterfully done, if
Speaker 5: I may say so. But absolutely when you're talking about
Speaker 5: them in the bar, which I found very interesting because
Speaker 5: it wasn't really harped upon by the defense at all.
Speaker 5: Like we went through the grab ass together, right, we
Speaker 5: went through the boys squatting and you know, doing wrestling moves, crawfit.
Speaker 5: You can take that after. But you know, there was
Speaker 5: a lot of speculation. But I don't recall, guys, correct me,
Speaker 5: I don't remember seeing Higgins point until that was brought
Speaker 5: up in the micro dots recreation and you pulling that
Speaker 5: up DJs. So yes, I think one hundred percent. Also,
Speaker 5: let's add into the fact that Karen Reid had texted
Speaker 5: or no I lied, Higgins had texted Karen while they
Speaker 5: were at the waterfall, and then you know when they
Speaker 5: get to the when they get to the Albert residence
Speaker 5: at thirty fourth a of you. The text message is received,
Speaker 5: are you here? Are you coming here? And I think
Speaker 5: that is just what set it off.
Speaker 4: That set it.
Speaker 5: Off, in my opinion, I think that maybe perhaps on
Speaker 5: the way over again, this is all speculation, but perhaps
Speaker 5: did Officer John O'Keeffe see that Higgins had texted Karen.
Speaker 5: You know, if he was on his ways going and
Speaker 5: getting them to the location, was her phone somewhere that
Speaker 5: was visible for him to see?
Speaker 1: Yay, nay.
Speaker 4: I can't tell you. I'm not a mass Dave police.
Speaker 5: I didn't investigate this, but I think that whatever went
Speaker 5: down went down because of alcohol, testosterone, and the looking
Speaker 5: for the affection of a girl that one man had
Speaker 5: and another man wanted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I heard you say that on your show.
Speaker 2: It might have been with Mark, but that that's a
Speaker 2: that's an interesting point. But I'm just saying when Brian,
Speaker 2: when you get there, he wanted to show he wasn't scared.
Speaker 2: I'm not scared of you. You think I'm scared to
Speaker 2: come to that house because you're you're tech, I'll go
Speaker 2: there and show you I'm not scared to you. I'll
Speaker 2: come to that house. But what and then when you know,
Speaker 2: Brian Albert obviously would have directed him, let's go to
Speaker 2: the basement. Man. If you guys got something to settle,
Speaker 2: go ahead, mister Crawford, please, sir.
Speaker 6: I tend to not like to get like into those
Speaker 6: kind of next level speculation because I who knows, Like,
Speaker 6: we don't know what happened at that house, but the
Speaker 6: text messages, That's exactly what I wrote down as soon
Speaker 6: as you brought this up, is that you know, he
Speaker 6: did send the text messages to Karen and then the
Speaker 6: text message to John. So that's obviously very suspicious. But
Speaker 6: the big thing for me is Karen didn't do it, right,
Speaker 6: no questions figure out who did it? Like, like I,
Speaker 6: it could be any of these people. It could be
Speaker 6: it could be someone else. I don't know, but I
Speaker 6: like to be careful. And I think that the text
Speaker 6: messages speak for themselves in that video too. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: think the video. Of course, people are gonna start speculating
Speaker 6: based on that, but who really knows what happened in
Speaker 6: that house, you know. So I just know that Karen
Speaker 6: didn't do it, and that's and the text messages in
Speaker 6: the video are suspicious. I can totally understand why people
Speaker 6: look over there, and it's an obvious place to look.
Speaker 6: So I think the law enforcement should be trying to
Speaker 6: figure that out.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 6: And they didn't do the investigation. So none of us
Speaker 6: know what happened at that house.
Speaker 2: Why no, I would I also, I've said this in
Speaker 2: about one specific topic in the UFO community. I said,
Speaker 2: I bet my life on it. I would also bet
Speaker 2: my life on the Karen Reid didn't do this. My point,
Speaker 2: I don't. I was extrapolating from the what I think.
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to get at Mike is that looked
Speaker 2: like a call out to me, what Brian Higins steal
Speaker 2: at the bar? What happened at the house? I I
Speaker 2: have no idea. I was just.
Speaker 6: And too like those two guys going at it. It
Speaker 6: seemed like they were practicing. I like, like, let's be serious.
Speaker 6: It looked like two guys hyping each other up for something.
Speaker 6: But the hell knows, Like we could just be looking
Speaker 6: at that and thinking that. But I think the most
Speaker 6: important thing is Karen didn't do it. I mean, that's
Speaker 6: what I always stick to. And and we could talk
Speaker 6: about the video and the phone calls and or the
Speaker 6: text messages, excuse me. I think that's important, but I
Speaker 6: just you know, I don't personally, I don't like to
Speaker 6: go to that next level because I don't know what
Speaker 6: happened in that house. We don't have text messages from
Speaker 6: about what happened in the house. We we have messages
Speaker 6: right before they went to the house. So I think
Speaker 6: that's like I like to stick to that. I like,
Speaker 6: I love your style. I love your style be safe
Speaker 6: and smart and because we don't know, like it could
Speaker 6: be something else happened, but I don't.
Speaker 2: Know you are smart. So uh, here's someone else who's
Speaker 2: really really smart? Uh? The official uh freaking I read
Speaker 2: Attorney Alan Milly little Mark Betroll. What do you think, sir? Well?
Speaker 7: From a lawyer's perspective, you come at this with you
Speaker 7: don't have to prove anything, You just have to establish
Speaker 7: reasonable doubt. Having said that, do some of these facts
Speaker 7: help support reasonable doubt and they could if used in
Speaker 7: the right way. And so the first thing is is
Speaker 7: it plausible to believe that Higgins might have been involved
Speaker 7: in this? And if you're going to make that argument,
Speaker 7: you need some credible evidence, and it certainly is plausible.
Speaker 7: I mean, Brian Albert is meathead. Brian Higgs is Mead,
Speaker 7: Colin Albert is a meathead. They all center their lives
Speaker 7: around drinking, fighting and flipping the bird. So do you
Speaker 7: start with the idea that this could be Who's is
Speaker 7: bigger than Who's and could end up in something that
Speaker 7: seems so stupid? And the answer is yes? And what
Speaker 7: is the more evidence of that? The grab assing in
Speaker 7: the bar, I mean grown men at a bar, and
Speaker 7: I think it was even Matthew mccabey said, you mean
Speaker 7: that the grab assing like it was nothing, So it's
Speaker 7: certainly plausible. The micro dots video is fascinating because it
Speaker 7: does appear to show Higgins somewhat animated, pointing at least
Speaker 7: in the direction of John O'Keeffe, who seems to be
Speaker 7: kind of laying low sipping a beer. I don't even
Speaker 7: remember if Karen is there or not, but it does
Speaker 7: seem to be in his direction. Other evidence that would
Speaker 7: at least support this hypothesis are the whatever relationship that
Speaker 7: was going on, or in his mind Higgins's mind, what
Speaker 7: was going on between him and Karen, which appeared to
Speaker 7: be flirty on the surface but in reality was probably
Speaker 7: her off because she thought he was screwing around in Aruba,
Speaker 7: so I was gonna make him jealous because you also
Speaker 7: have to be realistic about things. And I'm not being judgmental,
Speaker 7: I'm just being realistic. People in life in Karen Reid's
Speaker 7: station generally don't want to date people in life in
Speaker 7: Brian Higgins's station. It just doesn't it doesn't fit. So
Speaker 7: she I think she was screwing around with him, and he,
Speaker 7: you know, he took it and he wanted to know.
Speaker 7: And even that night at the bar, he was texting her,
Speaker 7: you know, and she's not responding and she's ghosting him,
Speaker 7: I think was the word they were using. And then
Speaker 7: you get to what I find to be the most
Speaker 7: interesting part of all of this. And I don't remember
Speaker 7: who I spoke to this about, but I always talk
Speaker 7: about Colombo and the little things, okay, because I'm a
Speaker 7: Colombo nerd, growing as favorite TV show, and always little
Speaker 7: little things which don't seem like much. And Higgins text
Speaker 7: John O'Keeffe saying are you coming here? Which doesn't really fit.
Speaker 7: I mean, why does he want him there? But in particular,
Speaker 7: he sent multiple question marks at the end of that text,
Speaker 7: which is for emphasis that grown men don't text like
Speaker 7: twelve year olds by setting in middle school with seven
Speaker 7: question marks, unless what he's saying is are you coming here?
Speaker 7: Like there's there's more to it, as if he's supposed
Speaker 7: to come there. Okay, fine, So he goes there and
Speaker 7: Higgins supposedly is going there to hang out, and then
Speaker 7: what does he do. He actually leaves in a few minutes,
Speaker 7: which makes no sense, which incidentally would be right after
Speaker 7: you know, John O'Keeffe would or would not have been there,
Speaker 7: hig the only person who said some other man came
Speaker 7: in the house who fit John O'Keeffe's description, right. You
Speaker 7: don't know the context of what he was saying or not.
Speaker 7: But then he left, so he said to go move
Speaker 7: cars at can there reasonable thing to do? After sure
Speaker 7: mitsky all night is go in the middle of a
Speaker 7: blizzard or a looming blizzard, go move cars by drug
Speaker 7: driving at the police station, which I would suggest he
Speaker 7: was ridiculous. And then you go back to the Micropots video,
Speaker 7: which I understand. You know he's putting in some conjecture
Speaker 7: like informed speculation, if you will, And I thought the
Speaker 7: most informed speculation he had in that entire video was
Speaker 7: this theory that Higgins was dispatched to the police station
Speaker 7: to monitor what's going on. That makes a lot of
Speaker 7: sense to me. So did any of that happen in
Speaker 7: terms of the fighting and whatnot, I don't know, But
Speaker 7: you also know what happened after, which is inexplicable unless
Speaker 7: these people were covering up something. And you know, who's
Speaker 7: to say what they were covering up. But when they
Speaker 7: send all these text messages amongst themselves about you know,
Speaker 7: they're digging in the lawn, they're in the Asian guy's house,
Speaker 7: make sure you tell them the guy, you know, the
Speaker 7: guy that's their good friend, John O'Keefe by the way, privately,
Speaker 7: he's just the guy never came in the house. All
Speaker 7: the deleted searches, all the butt dials, you could go
Speaker 7: on and on. That's not normal behavior. Okay, so they're
Speaker 7: lying about something. So do I think that it actually
Speaker 7: could be related to what you know, the supposition is
Speaker 7: about Higgins doing it? Maybe, but you don't have to know.
Speaker 7: But I do think that the defense at the retrial,
Speaker 7: if there is one, maybe we'll take some of this
Speaker 7: evidence and do it the way that we're talking about
Speaker 7: it now, which is say you can't explain this. You
Speaker 7: can't explain this unless there's something bad. All of points
Speaker 7: away from Karen Reid. So whether they have to prove
Speaker 7: what happened, they don't. But there are a lot of
Speaker 7: facts which tilt the needle away from Karen Reid, which
Speaker 7: is what reasonable doubt is all about. So that's my
Speaker 7: view on it.
Speaker 2: Can I get it? Amen? It's so I'm not totally
Speaker 2: out to lunch. But reality Check would like Mike to
Speaker 2: read this one. Thank you for the blessing. Reality Check
Speaker 2: really appreciate that. Ninety nine. So Mike, would you do
Speaker 2: the honors here?
Speaker 6: I'm trying to. I always have these because my glasses.
Speaker 2: I'll do it. I'll do it.
Speaker 6: I could try it, Okay, brother, the first Karen Reid
Speaker 6: standout in Cherry Grove, South Carolina at the Shack at
Speaker 6: one pm tomorrow in the area, please join.
Speaker 2: Us to support There you go so tomorrow.
Speaker 6: I did it for you. I did it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, my wrestling brother, I so yeah. Please
Speaker 2: if you are in or near or within fifty mile
Speaker 2: of Cherry Grove, South Carolina, please be at the Shack
Speaker 2: tomorrow at one pm. If you're in the area and
Speaker 2: join us to support they're gonna have a Karen Reid standout.
Speaker 2: And I think this is awesome that it is not
Speaker 2: limited to Massachusetts, and I would love to do on
Speaker 2: myself really so now that I've just moved to a
Speaker 2: town where I guess I know a couple people from service,
Speaker 2: but not a lot. So anyway, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for the blessing reality check, Linda. Thank you very much,
Speaker 2: Linda f I really appreciate it, ma'am. We're hoping that
Speaker 2: we can pay for streamyard Canva, what else, speaker and
Speaker 2: the four things we use to create this show, and
Speaker 2: now even Twitter. You gotta have a premium account to
Speaker 2: stream on there, Midnight Moon. Thank you very much, greatly
Speaker 2: appreciate it. In hindsight, talking about how much Nicole likes
Speaker 2: to clean, that she might have been cleaning up at
Speaker 2: the crime see that that's a very very good bet.
Speaker 2: So we better not knock on that door. Peter Murphy, sir,
Speaker 2: so what do you and Courtney? Please interject anytime you
Speaker 2: have a question.
Speaker 3: Or I do have oneways after.
Speaker 2: Peter goes next, Yeah, yeah, ma'am, all right, So uh Murphy, Uh,
Speaker 2: was that a fight? Was that a call out for
Speaker 2: a fight? That you saw from b Higgins, somebody that
Speaker 2: Sean affectionately refers to as lard ass.
Speaker 8: I definitely had some Uh.
Speaker 9: There was definitely some animosity and hostility in that gesture,
Speaker 9: for sure, no doubt about it. And coupled with the
Speaker 9: probably the amount of alcohol involved and maybe some other substances,
Speaker 9: that appeared to me that that was a call out.
Speaker 8: And it looked like I believe you're right.
Speaker 9: It was Chris that intervened and said not he d
Speaker 9: not now probably and uh. And then there was all
Speaker 9: the texting where multiple people were trying to find out
Speaker 9: where he was, question Mark, when are you coming? People
Speaker 9: at the door allegedly looking out the windows.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 9: It was there were a lot of people very interested
Speaker 9: in he was and how he was going to work,
Speaker 9: how he was going to arrive DJ and I guess
Speaker 9: the question is did they want to keep them away
Speaker 9: from the front door so that the audience of twenty
Speaker 9: one twenty five year old party goals for the birthday party.
Speaker 8: Of Brian Junior didn't see him come in?
Speaker 9: Did they bring him around through the back gate and say,
Speaker 9: you know, come on, the kids are up drinking. Well,
Speaker 9: you don't want to see that you're a cop, come
Speaker 9: in through the back gate. We'll go in through the basement. Yeah,
Speaker 9: it's out there, you know. As as Mike Croffit said,
Speaker 9: there's a plethora of motive and opportunities for a lot
Speaker 9: of people in this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean, we're going to extrapolate to the
Speaker 2: larger points. But that was just something that I noticed.
Speaker 2: I do have a question I'm going to ask later on.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Attorney Bero about Attorney Weinberg and how
Speaker 2: crosses examinations might look in an upcoming persons if Attorney
Speaker 2: Weinberg were used as opposed to someone that we all
Speaker 2: love here in Alan Jackson. But we're gonna get to
Speaker 2: that later. So Courtney, go ahead, ma'am.
Speaker 3: Yeah. DJ might chastise me for this, but this is
Speaker 3: a two This is a two question thing because I
Speaker 3: might not get another question on the lightning round and
Speaker 3: one question might not be ideal for some people, but
Speaker 3: the second will be I think, So you can choose
Speaker 3: which one you want to answer. The first thing I
Speaker 3: wanted to ask about was Higgins extracting the text messages
Speaker 3: that he obviously wanted to emphasize for legal and court reasons.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask your opinions if you felt like
Speaker 3: this was damning and how so either for Karen or
Speaker 3: for the legal record to be written into the record,
Speaker 3: and also for Karen's public perception. I'm curious what you
Speaker 3: experts think about that. And the second part is if
Speaker 3: you don't want to answer that question. The second question
Speaker 3: that I feel just very damning is Colin Albert's photograph.
Speaker 3: There was a photo of him with a bunch of
Speaker 3: buddies out and he's got, you know, clear marks on
Speaker 3: each one of his knuckles where he looks like he
Speaker 3: just you know, beat the shit out of somebody. And
Speaker 3: he gave an explanation that he fell on the ice.
Speaker 3: And so I'm wondering what your opinions are about both
Speaker 3: of those two things. Those are the two things that
Speaker 3: stand out to me.
Speaker 2: What was the first one, because lets you do the
Speaker 2: first one and then we'll we'll get the second one
Speaker 2: in what was the first.
Speaker 3: The extraction of the text from the cell phone that
Speaker 3: Brian Higgins pulled out. He pulled out very specific texts
Speaker 3: that he wanted to be in discovery and obviously he
Speaker 3: wanted them to be seen. And also what people feel
Speaker 3: about Karen Reid's public perception of what was in the text.
Speaker 3: What do you think the public or your opinion about
Speaker 3: that was. Did it hurt her at all?
Speaker 2: He wants to take that one, Nurse Ken, please take.
Speaker 6: That, man Cowford, Do you want to go first on
Speaker 6: the text the text? Yeah, I'll go first. I think
Speaker 6: they intended it to hurt Karen, but I think in
Speaker 6: a way it didn't because I mean a lot of
Speaker 6: people look at it like just in general, like this
Speaker 6: guy got ghosted and he's very upset about it, and
Speaker 6: I think that like it kind of backfired on them
Speaker 6: in some respects. And there's also the question mark like
Speaker 6: how he extracted them and like what he extracted, so
Speaker 6: I think it also and the fact that he apparently
Speaker 6: used federal resources to do that. So I think like it,
Speaker 6: like the whole thing is like most things for them
Speaker 6: there they think that they're doing something smart, but I
Speaker 6: think that they it's a cluster f for them, and
Speaker 6: I think it's for Higgins like he could actually get
Speaker 6: and a lot of legal jeopardy, I think just for
Speaker 6: using the federal resources to do that, and maybe it
Speaker 6: even raised red flags. Didn't he do it at an
Speaker 6: FBI of Kiosk or something like that, so maybe they
Speaker 6: have all the text from that, like who knows. Like
Speaker 6: it's so for me, I think it was designed. I
Speaker 6: thought they think they thought it would hurt Karen, and
Speaker 6: in the end people just saw it for what it was,
Speaker 6: like John did something Karen wanted to make them jealous.
Speaker 6: It's like, that's simple, It's like and that's all it
Speaker 6: was to her. And I think that's what it really shows.
Speaker 6: So I don't think it really hurt Karen. Maybe I'm
Speaker 6: wrong for the jury, I don't know, but I don't
Speaker 6: think so.
Speaker 2: There's Kim.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So for me, I think that well, I affectionately
Speaker 5: call Higgins big Neck Daddy Higgins, and Dave Olaine has
Speaker 5: a shirt okay, so if you guys want to see it,
Speaker 5: it's a large llama with a big old neck and
Speaker 5: some aviators. So big Neck Daddy Higgins. It absolutely was atrocious.
Speaker 5: It's atrocious that he contacted a friend to figure out
Speaker 5: how to extract the text messages because he wouldn't hand
Speaker 5: over his phone. So then he goes to the FBI
Speaker 5: regional facility. He goes in, he uses this machinery the
Speaker 5: key off that he says, any police officer can go
Speaker 5: in Bibbs, not for your own personal case, right, Like,
Speaker 5: this isn't something that you or your buddy were working on.
Speaker 5: This is something that you're volunteering to the police to
Speaker 5: figure out or to provide some evidence for them. However,
Speaker 5: what was very interesting to me was that on the
Speaker 5: stand he stated that he chose the text threads right
Speaker 5: from Karen and from Officer John O'Keefe, but he also
Speaker 5: confessed that he had that he had talked to Dine
Speaker 5: text with Brian Albert Nicole Albert, and he never offered
Speaker 5: that to the prosecution or to police. So for me,
Speaker 5: that was damning to him. But the context of those
Speaker 5: text messages was so cringe.
Speaker 4: Guys, that it hurt my feelings. Okay, let's be perfectly honest.
Speaker 5: I was like, if somebody had presented that to me,
Speaker 5: I might have said, clink, clink, send me the fuck away,
Speaker 5: but send me away, excuse me, p of me, because
Speaker 5: I don't know if I could have had Lally and
Speaker 5: Brian Higgins read those text messages allowed about the weed
Speaker 5: whacka and about you know all the things, and I'll
Speaker 5: give you what you want.
Speaker 4: I was grossed out to the hills.
Speaker 2: So, Kim, you're saying you're not allowed to use that
Speaker 2: kiosk just to hide your own criminal activity. No, this is.
Speaker 6: Really surprising resources for your own personal not good. You know,
Speaker 6: it's funny, it's I just felt like, would you say embarrassed?
Speaker 6: I felt like embarrassed from Mike my like seventh grade self,
Speaker 6: because that that would have been me in like the
Speaker 6: seventh grade. Yeah, like Higgins is just.
Speaker 4: What do you want from me?
Speaker 5: What do you want from Meiggins?
Speaker 7: The examination of Higgins on this kind of stuff was
Speaker 7: a perfect lesson in how not to examine a witness.
Speaker 7: What you just said him that was cringe. I mean,
Speaker 7: listening to him for two hours read can you go
Speaker 7: to page fifty four and can you go to page
Speaker 7: fifty five? And there comes a point where you're counting
Speaker 7: the ways you know how to blow your head off
Speaker 7: rather than listen to this. It's that bad. But to
Speaker 7: the extent he thought that that was putting Karen Reid
Speaker 7: in a bad light, maybe, I mean, but again, I
Speaker 7: think anybody with a serious understanding of what's going on
Speaker 7: could see what she was doing. She was pissed off.
Speaker 7: Things weren't going great. But I suppose if the DA
Speaker 7: thought it through more carefully, he would have realized that
Speaker 7: what he's really doing is it goes back to the
Speaker 7: point we got on before. This topic is arguably giving
Speaker 7: Higgins a motive to harm John O'Keefe. So what are
Speaker 7: you doing as far as he and his criminal conduct
Speaker 7: or whatever. The Kiosk is actually the least of his
Speaker 7: problems that his testimony came out. I mean, no one's
Speaker 7: getting in that much trouble for you know, going to
Speaker 7: the Kiosk and dragging in his buddy. You know, they
Speaker 7: have a that would be handled administratively. They have this
Speaker 7: thing called the Office of Professional Responsibility for the FEDS.
Speaker 7: They'd you know, they would punish them, but they're not.
Speaker 7: You're not going to jail, you're not getting prosecuted. The
Speaker 7: problem that Higgins had from his testimony is, and you
Speaker 7: could tell, even though the jury wasn't told about the FBI,
Speaker 7: he clearly gave interviews to the FBI and US attorney
Speaker 7: and testified in a federal proceeding. And it's a federal
Speaker 7: crime to lie or mislead the federal authorities, and he
Speaker 7: clearly did because if you remember, he was arguing with
Speaker 7: the attorneys about what he did and what he didn't
Speaker 7: and he kind of volunteered that he all so deleted
Speaker 7: texts what from his father or something that he had
Speaker 7: never been asked about. And he said, oh no, those
Speaker 7: guys got it wrong, meaning defense, and he was trying
Speaker 7: to defend this or that. You know, it caused him
Speaker 7: to have to talk about why he would get rid
Speaker 7: of all his personal data from his family. But well,
Speaker 7: I used to be an undercover. This is nonsense, Okay,
Speaker 7: So all of this stuff in terms of whether it
Speaker 7: hurt Karen Reid, No, I think Higgins damaged himself as
Speaker 7: much as any of these civilian witnesses. And the idea
Speaker 7: that he's going to want to come back and do
Speaker 7: this again if it goes that route, I would suspect
Speaker 7: that he would be number one on the list of
Speaker 7: those people who says, get me the hell out of here,
Speaker 7: because you know, I potentially have a problem I'd rather
Speaker 7: not talk about. So I don't think he did anything
Speaker 7: to help them. He hurt himself and at a retrial
Speaker 7: will hurt him more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be fascinating. Who is going to
Speaker 2: come and testify if this next trial comes off, but
Speaker 2: I want to get the roundtable going again, so in
Speaker 2: our circular pattern, So Nurse Kim, would you please present
Speaker 2: your topic, question or hypothesis ma'am.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 8: DJ.
Speaker 5: I wanted to first say the only person I have
Speaker 5: well besides Courtney and DJ A pleasure to meet you tonight.
Speaker 5: But mister Peter Murphy, I have like been in awe
Speaker 5: of you since I saw you on Sean's show, and
Speaker 5: I've never met you or met you via online before.
Speaker 5: So I just wanted to say thank you Surphia's service
Speaker 5: and that I think that you are incredible, and that's
Speaker 5: that I'm done, and.
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you very thank you for a vote
Speaker 9: of confidence. I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: And to that point, mister Murphy, because I knew you
Speaker 5: were going to be on tonight, I wanted to just
Speaker 5: ask about We've gone into a lot of mass State
Speaker 5: police corruption via Trooper Proctor Buchanic from you know, de
Speaker 5: Chico Tully.
Speaker 4: We could go through.
Speaker 5: The list goes on and on, but when it comes
Speaker 5: to Canton Police Department, I am wondering, do we believe
Speaker 5: or what are your thoughts guys on if we thought
Speaker 5: it was incompetence or malice as it related to pin
Speaker 5: in it on the girl from the investigation standpoint of,
Speaker 5: you know, six am to eight am and then not
Speaker 5: even not even securing that crime scene right and the
Speaker 5: use of proudly the use of solo cups and snowblower
Speaker 5: and leaf blowers in the lawn, And I just wanted
Speaker 5: to get you a take on that.
Speaker 2: Guys, I love this question. This will go Mike, Mark
Speaker 2: Peter who it's really for, and then myself.
Speaker 6: I would uh skip, because I I don't think I
Speaker 6: heard the whole thing. I was expected to go to Peter,
Speaker 6: so I just.
Speaker 2: Kind of it'll it would just keep get keeping.
Speaker 6: I don't even have like thoughts on how I would
Speaker 6: answer it, so I would let that go to Mark,
Speaker 6: Peter Mack.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know whether people who are literally
Speaker 7: responding to a crime scene immediately have it in their
Speaker 7: mind to say, let's fix this. That strikes me as
Speaker 7: just hard to believe. They don't know who anyone is.
Speaker 7: Now they know who lives a thirty four fair View Road,
Speaker 7: it doesn't take them long to figure out that the
Speaker 7: man lying on the lawn with one shoe on is
Speaker 7: a police officer, including from the same department as Brian Albert,
Speaker 7: which I would suggest, by the way, should have been
Speaker 7: a curious fact of more interest to the police to
Speaker 7: wonder if something was going on with that, how did
Speaker 7: two Boston guys end up in that situation? But that
Speaker 7: it's neither here nor there. But I think the one
Speaker 7: indisputable truth in all of this is that and I
Speaker 7: say this with all due respect to distinguished alumni from
Speaker 7: that department, a different department than it is now, obviously,
Speaker 7: but that current connotation of the Canton Police as it
Speaker 7: existed in January of twenty twenty two is disgraceful beyond
Speaker 7: words in terms of their competence to deal with anything.
Speaker 7: I understand it's not the New York City Police Department,
Speaker 7: it's not the LAPD. They don't respond the homicides on
Speaker 7: a daily basis, But Jesus Christ, there's a dead police
Speaker 7: officer in the law and do something secure a crime scene?
Speaker 7: Could you do that? Could you not let a few
Speaker 7: snow flurries and snowflakes get in the way of figuring
Speaker 7: out what's going on? Could you knock on a fricking
Speaker 7: door and try to see what anybody knew could you
Speaker 7: secure evidence in any sensible way other than making I
Speaker 7: mean essentially memes out of yourself. I mean there are
Speaker 7: like people dressing up as solo cups and around walking
Speaker 7: around with leaf blowers and making jokes about stop and shop.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is a national TV for a case
Speaker 7: like this. So certainly, if this is or if this
Speaker 7: speaks to the level of competence of the Canton Police
Speaker 7: to handle a sophisticated crime scene of a very serious crime,
Speaker 7: that's disturbing and if nothing else, it ought to lead
Speaker 7: to questions about people who live in that town, about
Speaker 7: the leadership of the department, the competence, And I know
Speaker 7: they're trying to do audits and there's controversy over renewing
Speaker 7: contracts and all that stuff, which is not really my bailwick.
Speaker 7: I don't know much about any of that other than
Speaker 7: their performance that day was disgraceful, whether it was intentional
Speaker 7: or not. And the reality is that after Karen Reid
Speaker 7: gets acquitted or the case gets dismissed, they're never going
Speaker 7: to be able to find or do anything else with
Speaker 7: this case. Because of how pathetic the Canton Police Department
Speaker 7: was at the very beginning the whole case was destroyed
Speaker 7: within a couple of hours unless they get cooperators that
Speaker 7: are corroborated by other evidence. So did they do it
Speaker 7: on purpose? Initially I doubt it, but you know, the
Speaker 7: more you dig in though, and you realize, you know,
Speaker 7: the former chief Berkowitz, Yeah, I think the evidence would
Speaker 7: suggest that he did things as it relates to this
Speaker 7: case that are really troubling. I don't think anybody believes
Speaker 7: that he just happened to be driving by one day,
Speaker 7: you know, with his thick glasses and saw you know,
Speaker 7: a piece of tail light that just revealed itself to him,
Speaker 7: like the two knuckleheads from the state Police claimed on
Speaker 7: a daily basis. I mean, I just don't think that's believable.
Speaker 7: He didn't even testify at the trial stand. He's maybe
Speaker 7: not well physically, but you can't help but think that
Speaker 7: maybe he was avoiding process, perhaps to be dragged in.
Speaker 7: You know, there's been a lot of conjecture that when
Speaker 7: you saw the inverted video, that he was coming in
Speaker 7: and out of that or it happened there. You can't
Speaker 7: ignore the fact that the SUV was towed back to Canton.
Speaker 7: That makes no sense, right There are State Police barracks
Speaker 7: much closer in a blizzard, if for no other reason,
Speaker 7: who the hell wants to drive? But of course if
Speaker 7: you don't go to a safe place, you can't, you know,
Speaker 7: do things like did ale the tail light? And mess
Speaker 7: around with video and do things like that. So when
Speaker 7: you start to see after the fact, are there issues
Speaker 7: with the Canton police, maybe on a corruption level. Maybe
Speaker 7: certainly there's the Kevin Albert problem. What's he connected to?
Speaker 7: He's the one who was related to Katie mcglow who
Speaker 7: just happened to be the firefighter who all of a
Speaker 7: sudden heard what she heard when no one else heard it,
Speaker 7: and then denied the most basic thing just to say
Speaker 7: I'm friends with the Alberts. She wouldn't even say that,
Speaker 7: that harmless fact. She came to them through Kevin Albert.
Speaker 7: So you do start to think that maybe something's going
Speaker 7: on in the Canton Police. And the last piece of
Speaker 7: evidence to support the idea that perhaps once they realized
Speaker 7: what was going on, the inverted video was disclosed to
Speaker 7: the DA and the defense in the middle of the trial.
Speaker 7: That makes no sense they found it then, and who
Speaker 7: inverted it? I mean it was in their custody, so
Speaker 7: I don't think they started out that way, but either way,
Speaker 7: the evidence appears to be overwhelming that they are grossly incompetent,
Speaker 7: destroyed the crime scene, and as the case went on,
Speaker 7: at least certain segments of the department appeared to be
Speaker 7: part of dark forces that were working against truth and justice.
Speaker 7: So either way they look terrible.
Speaker 2: Thank you, awesome answer, Sergeant Murphy, this question. Everybody can't
Speaker 2: wait for your answer to this, And if you need
Speaker 2: her to restate it, Nurse kim Kin refresh.
Speaker 9: I believe I can pick it up where everybody else
Speaker 9: has left off. I think perhaps I should stop by saying,
Speaker 9: if you look at my hat that is basically the
Speaker 9: thin blue lines, to put the blue back the police
Speaker 9: hat that you'll see the flor and Order Mass Corruption
Speaker 9: Unit is the antithesis of this, meaning this is corruption,
Speaker 9: and this is inept and incompetency. And I would suggest
Speaker 9: everybody here in the audience too that what happened, well
Speaker 9: better yet to speak to Mark, didn't happen that morning
Speaker 9: after six oh six, when cruise has started to arrive
Speaker 9: is something out of a Walt Disney story, a cubsco.
Speaker 8: One oh one.
Speaker 9: I think with about an hour's worth of training, would
Speaker 9: have been able to close the street call and help
Speaker 9: set up a command center. This just I mean, I
Speaker 9: could go through a litany of things, but one point
Speaker 9: I'd like to make bring to your attention. And I've
Speaker 9: thought this out at length, and it was mentioned earlier.
Speaker 9: Why and where did Brian Higgins go from whatever time
Speaker 9: it was?
Speaker 8: I don't know, twelve two something, twelve thirty to twenty
Speaker 8: minutes past one? Is that? Are those close approximations of time?
Speaker 2: I thought he left the home at two am. Somebody
Speaker 2: help help out here. If you remember Brian's timeline, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure.
Speaker 9: He was back at the station at one twenty locked
Speaker 9: in one twenty, So he left. He left, let's just
Speaker 9: call it the crime scene sometime I believe after twelve thirty.
Speaker 9: And there was that question of where did he go
Speaker 9: for a forty minute plus a minus ride if he
Speaker 9: was going back to move his asset four feture vehicles
Speaker 9: that were at the police station, what I would say
Speaker 9: or suggest he went back. He might not have had
Speaker 9: a Berna phone with him, and he went back to
Speaker 9: use the unrecorded lines at fourteen ninety two Washington Street
Speaker 9: to with the Canton Police Department. He might have gone
Speaker 9: back to monitor what was happening, but I think he
Speaker 9: went back and made some calls. And I believe, I
Speaker 9: hope to believe that the Feds have those calls that
Speaker 9: were made by him at the Canton Police station and
Speaker 9: who received him sometime after twenty past one on that morning,
Speaker 9: and I think that was the ringing of the bell
Speaker 9: to move things in the direction of cover up.
Speaker 2: Lord here our prayer that that an indictment comes down.
Speaker 9: Just as far as as far as the crime scene investigation.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'll be very quick on this. What should
Speaker 8: have happened was close the street, all hands on deck.
Speaker 9: UH, call to the chief, called to the chairman of
Speaker 9: the select board, deputy chief across the street, probably one
Speaker 9: hundred feet well less from where the uh late John o'keith's.
Speaker 8: Body was found.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 9: He was the one allegedly that handed off the solo
Speaker 9: cups and the stopping shop bag.
Speaker 8: I can't understand. I can't go to bed at night
Speaker 8: and rationalize why they.
Speaker 9: Call him the second in command on the police department
Speaker 9: didn't get out of his doctor Denton's and go across
Speaker 9: the street and assume command of that scene, and I
Speaker 9: would I would suggest to you if they close the street,
Speaker 9: they had agents BOK and speak to this. Perhaps a circumstances.
Speaker 9: It could have been more bodies. It could have been
Speaker 9: a crime, you know, assassination. It could have been there
Speaker 9: could have been more bodies in the house. Nobody went
Speaker 9: in the house. Could have been five people, fifteen people
Speaker 9: bleeding out in the house.
Speaker 8: Nobody know anything.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the thing that's interesting to me is I don't
Speaker 7: know about literally exigen circumstances in the sense of like
Speaker 7: going in the house, you know, guns of blazing, kicking
Speaker 7: doors down. But to your point, the complete lack of
Speaker 7: intellectual curiosity by the cops that morning about a guy
Speaker 7: lying on the lawn with an awkward state of clothing,
Speaker 7: to say the least, in the middle of eighteen degrees
Speaker 7: and snowing one shoe on a cocktail glass, lying in
Speaker 7: the middle of the lawn, injuries that you know they
Speaker 7: I mean they may not have seen the body at
Speaker 7: that time, or some of them might have. That appeared
Speaker 7: to be consistent with a fight, whether you know what
Speaker 7: happened or not. I mean, he looks bruised. Matter they
Speaker 7: didn't see. I would assume the gash on the back
Speaker 7: of his head. The most basic, intellectually curious police officer
Speaker 7: would have known that, Well, that guy is a police
Speaker 7: officer who was coming back to that house to meet
Speaker 7: the people who were in the house. They had all
Speaker 7: been together, and now he's lying on the lawn. Anyone
Speaker 7: other than you know, who lives in a world that's
Speaker 7: not occupied by Michael Proctors who said to me it
Speaker 7: was a car accident right away, which is just dumber
Speaker 7: than dumb would have thought at a minimum, Well, he
Speaker 7: probably came from the house. If he's got one shoe
Speaker 7: on and he's not wearing a coat and he's holding
Speaker 7: a glass. I mean, I don't think you would necessarily
Speaker 7: know that glass came from a bar, as opposed to
Speaker 7: just maybe they're drinking inside, there's cars in the driveway
Speaker 7: or whatever. Go knock on the door and if anything,
Speaker 7: do you know what happened? Did you see anything, did
Speaker 7: you hear anything? And you go from there and for
Speaker 7: whatever reason, and you know, Canton, Massachusetts appears to be
Speaker 7: the one place in America where the cops are not
Speaker 7: curious about that sort of thing. And when there's a
Speaker 7: dead police officer on the lawn, it's the only jurisdiction
Speaker 7: apparently I've ever heard of where it doesn't become an
Speaker 7: immediate all hands on deck. We're going to rescue our
Speaker 7: fallen brother and at a minimum, find out what the
Speaker 7: hell happened, and if someone is responsible, they may not
Speaker 7: have known right away that it was unnatural or wasn't
Speaker 7: an accident, but if someone is responsible for this, we're
Speaker 7: going to find out. But in Canton, which is also
Speaker 7: known as Chinatown of twenty twenty two, nobody wants to know, because,
Speaker 7: forget it, Jake, that's the way things are here.
Speaker 2: So who wants to bet that if there were a
Speaker 2: video of Karen Reid backing up and hitting this man
Speaker 2: that is that the deputy chief with the ring camera
Speaker 2: across the street. Who would bet me that that video
Speaker 2: would be public right now if he had a video
Speaker 2: of him hitting her. The only reason that video's not
Speaker 2: public is because it didn't show that. It showed him
Speaker 2: probably exiting the car and going to the damn house.
Speaker 2: I'll take that bet from anybody.
Speaker 7: If there was video of her mowing him down, you know,
Speaker 7: this would be a whole different situation, and we're probably
Speaker 7: not sitting here tonight having this conversation or having any
Speaker 7: of these conversations that people have been having in the
Speaker 7: past two years. So obviously there's no such incriminating video.
Speaker 7: It's still left to be determined how. A major media
Speaker 7: station reported that there was, you know, based on other
Speaker 7: text messages that various members of the Albert and mccabs
Speaker 7: were talking about putting forth a narrative and talking about
Speaker 7: their communications with other people, including Proker. Did they do it?
Speaker 7: I mean, look, obviously, to go back to a few
Speaker 7: points ago, these people indisputably were covering up something. It's
Speaker 7: impossible to know exactly what they were covering up, but
Speaker 7: normal people don't cover up things they don't know about
Speaker 7: or weren't involved in. So by common sense deductive reasoning happened,
Speaker 7: and they knew it, and they didn't want other people
Speaker 7: to know it to know it, and that's troubling.
Speaker 2: There's a I'm sorry, no, please.
Speaker 8: The.
Speaker 9: I mean, if we go with the promise that maybe
Speaker 9: some phone calls were made by Brian Higgins when he
Speaker 9: got back to the PD on the secret squirrel phone,
Speaker 9: if we go with that, I'm going to suggest that
Speaker 9: first arriving officer with the scene had probably the most
Speaker 9: opportunity to take some pictures, footprints, footprints perhaps up to
Speaker 9: the up or out from the front door or the
Speaker 9: back of the house. There was just a abundance of opportunity
Speaker 9: there to gather and collect evidentiary information via just a
Speaker 9: cell phone camera.
Speaker 7: But you didn't like the photos that they took the
Speaker 7: snow like, without even objects in the background to show
Speaker 7: you where on the lawn or where in relation to anything.
Speaker 7: You didn't like that just a few pictures like a
Speaker 7: three year old if they took your iPhone would take.
Speaker 7: It's disgraceful.
Speaker 9: Not only that, but here's another thought. That crime scene
Speaker 9: was at thirty four to favu. If he had a
Speaker 9: glass in his hand and got hit at twenty four
Speaker 9: miles an hour by a six thousand pound vehicle, I
Speaker 9: would bet my pension in thirty four years of training experience,
Speaker 9: that he didn't hold onto that glass and there would
Speaker 9: have been tire tracks to send him twenty feet up
Speaker 9: into the lawn that would have had to go in
Speaker 9: at an angle, otherwise he would have spun.
Speaker 8: And we know that there.
Speaker 9: Was no trauma to his body that would make it
Speaker 9: consistent with being hit by that vehicle and The other
Speaker 9: point I'd.
Speaker 8: Like to make is that that crime scene was not
Speaker 8: only a thirty four mark.
Speaker 9: But it was also him being transported John o'keith being
Speaker 9: transported in that ambulance. He was part of the crime scene.
Speaker 9: They cut all his clothing off. I have done this myself.
Speaker 9: I have directed people to ride in an ambulance of
Speaker 9: the victim in cases the dying deconstration, a dying declaration.
Speaker 9: What if his body temperature came back enough so he
Speaker 9: said I know who did it, or made a statement,
Speaker 9: they should have been a police officer in the ambulance
Speaker 9: all the.
Speaker 8: Way to the hospital.
Speaker 9: Those clothes never would have ended up in a pile
Speaker 9: next to troop of practice feeded later in the day
Speaker 9: and contaminated.
Speaker 8: I mean, it was a shit show from so many
Speaker 8: so bad.
Speaker 9: It's so bad that investigation that, in my opinion, it
Speaker 9: had to be intentional.
Speaker 7: Right, And you could even flip flip the investigation on
Speaker 7: its head and kind of challenge what the DA considers
Speaker 7: their strongest evidence. You know, I hit him, I hit him,
Speaker 7: I hit them, and the various connotations. I mean, it's
Speaker 7: actually very inconsistent from the people and the timing, But
Speaker 7: the most damning. Part of all of those is putting
Speaker 7: aside Jennifer mccab because that's a whole nother story with her,
Speaker 7: you know, her evolution of nothing to what she claims now.
Speaker 7: But all of those police officers that were on scene,
Speaker 7: I'm talking literally when the nine one to one call
Speaker 7: went in. They're not part of any cover up. They're
Speaker 7: just there to literally, you know, respond, look for something.
Speaker 7: And if a woman is running around hysterically drunk as
Speaker 7: it were, according to them, saying I hit him, I
Speaker 7: hit him, I hit him, then you know this as
Speaker 7: you know thirty four years in this game, and what
Speaker 7: police officers do because they are inherently suspicious and want
Speaker 7: to learn things. Somebody would have pulled her aside, even
Speaker 7: if she's hysterical, and at least try to say what
Speaker 7: do you mean, like can you just tell me? Or
Speaker 7: would have pulled aside Jennifer McCabe or the other woman
Speaker 7: they were with and said what is she talking about?
Speaker 7: Do you have and right then, and there would have
Speaker 7: been the chance for McCabe to say, oh my god,
Speaker 7: she said she ran him over. Nobody did that. Nobody
Speaker 7: even tried after the fact. Did you watch him? Did
Speaker 7: you you know, smash a glass over his head? Did
Speaker 7: you back into him with a car. They just ignore it,
Speaker 7: all of it, which tends to suggest she didn't say it.
Speaker 2: It was an epiphany. It was an epiphany the cave.
Speaker 2: Later to Jim McCabe, I hit him, I hit him,
Speaker 2: And there's permutations of she said it twice, three times,
Speaker 2: four times. I hit him, hit him, I hit him,
Speaker 2: hit him, and him him. You know, it just went
Speaker 2: on and on. So it's just absurd. But they had
Speaker 2: to make sure it sounded. It had to be multiple
Speaker 2: times so it sound hysterical. So now I'm going to
Speaker 2: answer Kim's questions my turn. Then we're going to Mike
Speaker 2: for his topic question or hypothesis. And before I I
Speaker 2: want to say thank you everybody for coming and joining
Speaker 2: us today. I appreciate it. If you would be kind
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Speaker 2: you will find Calling All Beings True Crime Unsolved content
Speaker 2: on this same channel as Calling All Beings until we
Speaker 2: separate the two. They are two separate shows, but we're
Speaker 2: just getting True Crime Unsolved off the ground. Courtney, by
Speaker 2: the way, just went to her native Pennsylvania and did
Speaker 2: a missing person's investigation, and we are extremely proud of
Speaker 2: the work she did, and it was a little bit
Speaker 2: of a dangerous situation. So thank you, Courtney. We're gonna
Speaker 2: lean on Peter for our next investigation, and it's probably
Speaker 2: gonna take us, at least being that I've just moved.
Speaker 2: It is probably gonna take us a month or more
Speaker 2: to put out what probably could be like a five episode,
Speaker 2: four or five episode series on this case. Anyway, So
Speaker 2: Nurse Kim my explanation or at least my take on
Speaker 2: what you've presented here today. Although I believe I'm a
Speaker 2: very kind person. I even teach yoga, I am not
Speaker 2: as charitable about people being let's just say not professional
Speaker 2: or in terms of investigation, I believe that there are
Speaker 2: willful things that happened, and I don't because then I
Speaker 2: have to think somebody stupid and incompetent, and I just
Speaker 2: don't believe that. I don't think the Canton police officers
Speaker 2: are necessarily wilful or unprofessional. I believe the wilful part
Speaker 2: of it was Mike Procter saying I'm not knocking on
Speaker 2: that door, and the Kenton police officers, obviously the way
Speaker 2: they collected the evidence if you listen to duty Run
Speaker 2: and ed ed, they're going to say they are just
Speaker 2: absolutely sickened by the way that the crime scene was processed,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure Peter is as well, but I believe
Speaker 2: a lot of those things were wilful. Sean McDonough reported,
Speaker 2: maybe through Peter, that John o'keef's car was repaired. You
Speaker 2: think that was an accident that she backs into his
Speaker 2: vehicle and maybe there's a dent, and we got to
Speaker 2: pull that dent out because we don't want the defense
Speaker 2: to see this vehicle and see that maybe it was damaged.
Speaker 2: So as Shannon McMahon, the former I think she was
Speaker 2: a former, might help me out prosecutor in Bristol at
Speaker 2: eighty and Bristol, she said, this is a thing where
Speaker 2: we're talking about concentric circles. There's one thing we're not
Speaker 2: going to knock on the door because we don't want
Speaker 2: Brian out quote jammed up in this thing. And then
Speaker 2: we start from there, and then it okay, what's the
Speaker 2: next thing we got to do. Now we gotta have
Speaker 2: form a hypothesis, all right, she you know he didn't
Speaker 2: come in the house, all right, Now we got to
Speaker 2: do something else. Willful. We gotta find tail light. We
Speaker 2: gotta get tail light there, because the initial officers didn't
Speaker 2: see anything at all a broken tail light. They saw
Speaker 2: no pieces of tail light. So that's what everybody out
Speaker 2: there who's in this chat right now that thinks this
Speaker 2: is a load of crap. The initial officers from Canton
Speaker 2: who had the crime scene before they abandoned it, did
Speaker 2: not find tail light. The tail light had to make
Speaker 2: its way there, and that is what we don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what happened. Peter, we'll probably speak to later when
Speaker 2: we get to the free conversation part of So that's
Speaker 2: my take, mister Crawford, Sir.
Speaker 6: I guess I want to go to the inorganic pr
Speaker 6: campaign that the District Attorney has created, and I think
Speaker 6: that it doesn't get reported enough, and I think it
Speaker 6: goes back to even like for me, this is personal,
Speaker 6: maybe more of a hypothesis in some ways, but I
Speaker 6: do have some leads on it. I do have like
Speaker 6: a source, let's just put it that way. And I
Speaker 6: also have myself what they did to me back in
Speaker 6: December twenty twenty three January twenty twenty four, the District
Speaker 6: Attorneys Office in the mass State police started threatening me
Speaker 6: through one of their snitch informats who is now the
Speaker 6: head of the Justice for JJ group, right, and this
Speaker 6: person has is a criminal. I mean they called me
Speaker 6: a criminal back in December and January on their little
Speaker 6: talk shows. I wasn't charged they were, so I think.
Speaker 6: My thing is, I feel like I never expected I've
Speaker 6: never seen anything like this. They did it to Aiden,
Speaker 6: they did it to Turtle Boy, they tried to do
Speaker 6: it to me. I went and got a criminal defense
Speaker 6: attorney and I told them that I had a defense
Speaker 6: attorney and I wasn't going to talk to their sergeant
Speaker 6: mass State Police Tully, like Kate Peter wanted me to,
Speaker 6: like Grant Smith had been threatening me that I was
Speaker 6: a criminal. These people are organized. They were organized by
Speaker 6: Troub from the District Attorney's office, with Michael Morrissey's approval,
Speaker 6: with Michael Proctor, that whole crew there, Sergeant Tully Bucockic.
Speaker 6: They have gone after people for posting on social media.
Speaker 6: They have gone to people's houses. They have gone to
Speaker 6: people's houses who have left voice bails or you know,
Speaker 6: emails or messages. This is organized and I just I
Speaker 6: want to kind of can you believe that they do
Speaker 6: this Number one, like, I never thought a district Attorney's
Speaker 6: office would do a PR campaign, would try to recruit
Speaker 6: people from YouTube, would put pressure on someone like myself
Speaker 6: who really did nothing wrong except report news and have
Speaker 6: people on his show.
Speaker 2: And has great hair, by the way.
Speaker 6: And they wanted to silence me. That's another thing they
Speaker 6: wanted to silence aiden. They wanted to silence us all
Speaker 6: they were telling us not to use Lindsay's name in public.
Speaker 6: And I even repeated this stuff. I started getting scared.
Speaker 6: I got very scared, Like I really, I've been doing
Speaker 6: activism politics for twenty five years. I've been part of
Speaker 6: ballot campaigns, want free initiatives for cannabis I was part of.
Speaker 6: I've been heavily involved in this stuff. I've never been sued,
Speaker 6: I've never been threatened like this. I've gone after major corporations.
Speaker 6: This is not like nothing I've ever seen. And it
Speaker 6: came from the District attorney and the mass State Police.
Speaker 6: And I just like when I see them in their
Speaker 6: blue shirts, when I see them get platform by even
Speaker 6: I think NBC ten, who I think are doing actually
Speaker 6: a better job than most. But the story's not getting through.
Speaker 6: This is a district attorney backed campaign. Kevin yellow Cottage
Speaker 6: tales he I'm convinced he made a deal. I'm convinced
Speaker 6: Grant Smith made a deal. I know that Coffin Daffer
Speaker 6: got recruited. We saw Gretchen Voss talking about getting burger.
Speaker 6: She seems like she got recruited too. These people have
Speaker 6: been recruited and they have a fake grassroots group that
Speaker 6: they call themselves. They got Kimberly Fair out there, but
Speaker 6: no one in the media is telling that story. That
Speaker 6: Kimberly Fair got fired from her job, asses people daily
Speaker 6: tries to get them fired from their jobs, and that
Speaker 6: she has two libel cases against her. They don't talk
Speaker 6: about Kate Peter's criminals. Like, so, how do we get
Speaker 6: this message out to the media. How inorganic it is
Speaker 6: the mainstream media, the TV cameras, because we're talking about
Speaker 6: it on YouTube, people on Twitter.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 6: But I just and even even within our you know,
Speaker 6: with the people that know, I don't think we talk
Speaker 6: about it enough in the right way. So I just
Speaker 6: want some feedback on all of that.
Speaker 2: I just want to say I'm sorry that you're having
Speaker 2: to deal with this. I have heard etail.
Speaker 6: Anymore, not anymore. I feel very good now, like I
Speaker 6: feel very confident and everything good. This was in December
Speaker 6: and January, and it did it. I messed with me,
Speaker 6: But once I had that criminal defense attorney, I felt
Speaker 6: a lot better. And uh, I think that that's my
Speaker 6: advice to anybody. If you get any pressure, don't talk
Speaker 6: to them. Yeah, call me. We'll get you somebody. I
Speaker 6: will get you somebody. I know enough chorneys. I will
Speaker 6: find someone. If you need a budget, will find your
Speaker 6: budget attorney. If you got the money, we'll find the
Speaker 6: most expensive one, whatever you need. I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 2: Where I am.
Speaker 6: I will go to bath for anyone in that similar situation.
Speaker 2: Can I say, what's a sad irony about this? Mike?
Speaker 2: A sad irony about this is that all the evidence
Speaker 2: we talked about organic and inorganic, All the evidence for
Speaker 2: Karen is all organic evidence, and all the evidence against
Speaker 2: Karen is all synthetic, man made evidence.
Speaker 6: It's all DA backed, it's all massed eight police back.
Speaker 6: These people are backed, like you know, you know who's
Speaker 6: buying those T shirts?
Speaker 3: How about Turtle Boys communications? Wasn't there request by uh
Speaker 3: somebody in council asking his communications between his lawyer to
Speaker 3: be open. And that's also I think, very very atypical.
Speaker 6: I've weaponized and I feel like we've done the same thing.
Speaker 6: I can't too the elected officials and the police department
Speaker 6: against the citizens. They've weaponized the government against journalists and citizens.
Speaker 6: That's what I feel like. On the DA level and
Speaker 6: even in the town accain, I just.
Speaker 2: Want to say, we're going to get to every misadventure.
Speaker 2: We're going to get to you, but let it attorney
Speaker 2: better or take down. We'll go around the table.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, you're right about one thing, because I saw
Speaker 7: a video recently, just in doing my own research about
Speaker 7: another case where the prosecutor, with a straight face, did
Speaker 7: go to court and say that his communications with his
Speaker 7: attorney should be monitored by a third party. And when
Speaker 7: you say that that's not common, it's not that it's
Speaker 7: not common, it's virtually unprecedented unless you're charging someone with
Speaker 7: being an international terrorist who is threatening to literally blow
Speaker 7: up the world, and there's reason to believe that he's
Speaker 7: going to use his attorney as a vessel to communicate messages.
Speaker 7: So the idea that in you know, the year twenty
Speaker 7: twenty four, you could hear a prosecutor with a straight
Speaker 7: face tell a judge that you should not allow attorney
Speaker 7: client communications to go without a third party listening is
Speaker 7: as coffka esque as anything could ever get. I mean,
Speaker 7: this is like, I mean, this is I'm sorry for
Speaker 7: all the cliches, but it's Orwellian. I mean, it's right
Speaker 7: out of George Orwell and Coofka.
Speaker 3: If you like that, I like a good Ka reference
Speaker 3: with the beatle in the corner and another one.
Speaker 7: Read the Trial by Franz Kafka and that, I mean
Speaker 7: just the like nightmare. Karen Reid should read the Trial
Speaker 7: by Cofka. Someone should send her a copy. To Mike's point,
Speaker 7: you know, have you ever seen a prosecutor, you know,
Speaker 7: try to have a pr machine, oh, all the time,
Speaker 7: every day. What I have not seen is for a
Speaker 7: prosecutor to do it in such a clumsy, embarrassing, inefficient
Speaker 7: fashion as these people. And if they're recruiting voices by
Speaker 7: you know, sending liaisons to the island of the Misfit
Speaker 7: Toys to recruit these weirdos to you know, pass their
Speaker 7: messages along and you know, do all these things. I
Speaker 7: can't speak to what deals or this or that, but
Speaker 7: the idea that these are the people that they're somehow
Speaker 7: recruiting and have gone all in to pass the message.
Speaker 7: It's very interesting because putting aside, you know, you mentioned
Speaker 7: some specific names. Putting aside, you know, the Towel Grant
Speaker 7: because he's in his own class. Look, he's the child
Speaker 7: of Wendy Murphy. Nothing more need be said about him.
Speaker 7: That's discrediting without more. But the other people or some
Speaker 7: of the other people that you've mentioned you used to
Speaker 7: be either supporters or advocates for Karen Reid's innocence until
Speaker 7: they weren't. And did they find true crime, you know,
Speaker 7: Jesus injustice or did they decide that they hated someone
Speaker 7: else who brings in all the other people that you're
Speaker 7: talking about. So they're not serious people. They shouldn't be
Speaker 7: taken seriously. They should all just be marginalized for the
Speaker 7: again that they come from the island of the misfit toys.
Speaker 7: They're not serious. They have an agenda. They have a
Speaker 7: knee jerk reaction to accuse everyone they like is either
Speaker 7: being stupid or grifting is the word of the word
Speaker 7: of the day with these people. But to go back
Speaker 7: to what you're saying the DA is doing to go
Speaker 7: after journalists because they don't like what you're saying online
Speaker 7: or in other formats. Is it's cougha esquell, and you're
Speaker 7: back to that. So there seems to be a pattern
Speaker 7: coming out of this office and the way you know,
Speaker 7: they've indicted one journalist as you know, which I'm not
Speaker 7: going to talk about for other reasons, but you know
Speaker 7: what they're doing to you, what they're doing to other people,
Speaker 7: that's not supposed to happen in America. You know, journalists
Speaker 7: do what they want, they say what they want in
Speaker 7: a way that it can be offensive, it can be discomforting.
Speaker 7: But this is a case that's of public interest, a
Speaker 7: matter of public concern. There's alleged corruption going on here.
Speaker 7: Most people believe that, I mean, that's what journalists do,
Speaker 7: and for them to behave like this is not something
Speaker 7: that you should be seeing in America in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: It's what you would see, you know, in Germany in
Speaker 7: the nineteen thirties and the Soviet Union, you know, before
Speaker 7: the Berlin Wall fell. Not to get all historical on people,
Speaker 7: but this is crazy that a District Attorney's office would
Speaker 7: treat journalists and news gatherers in that way. But as
Speaker 7: far as how to get the message out, you just
Speaker 7: have to talk to reporters, mainstream reporters, and I would
Speaker 7: think if they knew what we're talking about, what Mike
Speaker 7: was talking about, that they would be quite interested in that,
Speaker 7: and at a minimum, they probably would stop platforming some
Speaker 7: of these people and putting them on if they knew
Speaker 7: what kind of baggage they were actually bringing to the
Speaker 7: table in terms of their own credibility problems. So I
Speaker 7: think it's just getting the word out to the right people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great, great point, markets and news flash
Speaker 2: to everybody. There's journalists out there that aren't on a
Speaker 2: television station now. So just kind of get that in
Speaker 2: your crosscheck, as we used to say in aviation. Put
Speaker 2: that in your crosscheck. Not everybody belongs to an NBCABC,
Speaker 2: CVS or cable news affiliate. We are journalists as well,
Speaker 2: Mas him, even a meathead like me, Peter MURV. Would
Speaker 2: you please take that question from.
Speaker 8: It, Okay, bring that back to me again.
Speaker 2: Please can you summarize it, Mike?
Speaker 6: I guess, uh, just what are your thoughts on that
Speaker 6: they've weaponized the town of Canton against the citizens, and
Speaker 6: they weaponize the DA against journalists basically in the mass
Speaker 6: state police against Aiden. Even myself Katie was stretted, like
Speaker 6: the just random people on Twitter and Facebook have gotten
Speaker 6: visits from PROC from uh who is it? Bukaki?
Speaker 2: Yeah recently, So what are.
Speaker 6: Your thoughts on that? And how do we how do
Speaker 6: we how do we expose it too? Because I feel
Speaker 6: like they've weaponized this group of people and it's a
Speaker 6: front group. It's an inorganic front group, those people and
Speaker 6: the Blue Shirts, and it's not real. We know what
Speaker 6: it is, but the media is acting like they're a
Speaker 6: real group, like they're really concerned, when mostly they're either
Speaker 6: mcalberts or people that have had bad articles written about
Speaker 6: them by Turtle Boy for being idiots, for being losers,
Speaker 6: like these are people who have abused animals. These are
Speaker 6: people who have been fired for you know, being a
Speaker 6: school teacher's aide Kimberly fair and said some of the
Speaker 6: worst things you can ever say on social media and
Speaker 6: she got fired over it.
Speaker 2: Like you know, she's a doxer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's do and all she does all day is
Speaker 6: harassed people and docs people and then claims she's a victim,
Speaker 6: and she's on television and a blue shirt saying she's
Speaker 6: for justice for JJ. But it's in organic, all created
Speaker 6: by the DA, the mass d A police, and the
Speaker 6: haters of Turtle Boy.
Speaker 8: No, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 9: If that question is still directed at me, I agree
Speaker 9: it is DJ that certainly the system is weaponized. I
Speaker 9: have seen it firsthand. I have been a victim of
Speaker 9: it firsthand, where I have had people tell me from
Speaker 9: the police departments still one offices at the time, you
Speaker 9: really shouldn't come to Canton to attend that funeral for
Speaker 9: the fallen officer who passed away that you worked with
Speaker 9: for over twenty years, because there is a target on
Speaker 9: your back.
Speaker 2: Peter Murphy, somebody said that to you. Correct, Wow, you
Speaker 2: about it?
Speaker 8: What's that?
Speaker 6: I said? You know all about it. You're on the
Speaker 6: front lines of it.
Speaker 9: And there are several instances that I've been told I
Speaker 9: don't have re seats in hand per se from the
Speaker 9: victim or the recipient of that particular interaction that police
Speaker 9: officers have gone to doors, made contacts outreached in retaliation
Speaker 9: for And I'm not this goes more. Perhaps the both
Speaker 9: departments stayed in local for comments and just general activity
Speaker 9: the audit.
Speaker 8: Voting for the audit is just an on going people
Speaker 8: are afraid.
Speaker 9: I've had people say to me, boy, I'd like to
Speaker 9: get involved, but I am terrified. I have kids in school,
Speaker 9: and I don't dare step outside the four corners of
Speaker 9: the page because I know it'll come back.
Speaker 6: Look at the their dow attack of Kathleen Howley, like
Speaker 6: she's there there. Looks like they're like, she posted a
Speaker 6: long post about what she's going through right now that
Speaker 6: these women and Knon were sent threatening letters in the
Speaker 6: US postal mail, they think they know where they came from.
Speaker 6: This was months back, You can't. Police didn't do anything
Speaker 6: about it, and now it looks like they're they're investigating.
Speaker 6: They're actually doing a fake investigation of Kathleen about it. Well,
Speaker 6: one of the people who receive the letters that that's
Speaker 6: been a vocal opponent of the Canton police.
Speaker 9: Let me just add one one comment to that, Mike,
Speaker 9: and I again, I know one particular letter that was
Speaker 9: flwarded and investigated by the Sheriff's department and fingerprinted of
Speaker 9: one of the five women I guess or six docs.
Speaker 9: I cannot speak officially at this point in time that
Speaker 9: the other recipients or victims of those letters have in
Speaker 9: fact brought them forward to a law enforcement agency, whether
Speaker 9: it be Canton or Sheriff's Department forensics for checking fingerprints.
Speaker 8: There was a point in time I believe that only one.
Speaker 9: Letter had gone forward and been brought forward to the
Speaker 9: Sheriff's Department and the Canton Police Department, and it appeared
Speaker 9: that they did due diligence to try to, you know,
Speaker 9: extract anything they could from that.
Speaker 8: Now, as you know, they.
Speaker 9: Have been recently three attacks of bleach being thrown on
Speaker 9: people's lawns and malicious damage to property. My understanding is
Speaker 9: that has all been forwarded for forensic analysis as well.
Speaker 8: We'll see what comes out of that.
Speaker 2: From my standpoint, Mike, I'm kinda I'm kind of sickened
Speaker 2: by what's happened, and it kind of like takes me
Speaker 2: back to basic training. Now I went, and I know,
Speaker 2: like I had a whole twenty one year career in
Speaker 2: the Air Force, but I think back to my TI
Speaker 2: from basic training, and I'm no angel, and nobody on
Speaker 2: this channel and nobody in the chat is necessarily an
Speaker 2: angel who has always done the right thing. But when
Speaker 2: it comes to these critical moments, these decisions in your life.
Speaker 2: My t I said, do what you know to be right,
Speaker 2: do what you know to be right. And when I
Speaker 2: was at Dean I went to Dean College. I was
Speaker 2: a law enforcement major, and my professor said, we enforced
Speaker 2: the law and we follow the law. And those two
Speaker 2: things have stuck with me relative to this and one
Speaker 2: of the things that I discovered that was really painful
Speaker 2: in life. You know, Mike, Mike's a dog person. I'm
Speaker 2: a dog and cat person. And these animal love unconditionally
Speaker 2: and they would never do anything to hurt you. All
Speaker 2: they want is that you feed them, shelter them, and
Speaker 2: love them. And they don't care what you look like.
Speaker 2: They don't care what your financial account statement says. They
Speaker 2: don't care if you're fat or if you're thin, or
Speaker 2: how good looking you are. They don't care. They just
Speaker 2: love you. And that's what's amazing about them. But I've
Speaker 2: found out that there are people in life that will
Speaker 2: lie and hurt you. I found that out firsthand that
Speaker 2: even in the military industrial complex in which I've worked
Speaker 2: as active duty and other roles, people will lie and
Speaker 2: hurt you. And that's what they're doing. People will lie
Speaker 2: and see you go to jail and ruin your life,
Speaker 2: and they'll be okay with it as long as they
Speaker 2: can still drive their car and go to soccer games
Speaker 2: and do whatever it is that they do, go and
Speaker 2: drink beers at these establishments or whatever they are comfortable doing.
Speaker 2: That I couldn't live with myself. Nobody on this panel
Speaker 2: could live with themselves if they lied and ruined somebody's life.
Speaker 2: And that's what I think the other side is doing.
Speaker 2: And I think we just need to keep doing what
Speaker 2: we're doing. And I told somebody on Twitter today as
Speaker 2: far as Aidan Carney is concerned, I don't think like
Speaker 2: Aiden and I would see eye to eye on a
Speaker 2: whole lot of issues. But this is a man of
Speaker 2: courage and uncommon valor, and I don't care if you
Speaker 2: agree or disagree with them. I disagree with them on
Speaker 2: some stuff, but that's immaterial to the discussion because we
Speaker 2: need to be able to look at people in the
Speaker 2: full spectrum and not just try to see everybody. This
Speaker 2: person's this, that person's that. Look at my Twitter handle,
Speaker 2: it says BLM, Black Lives Matter plus love. That's not
Speaker 2: an act. There because I believe in both things, and
Speaker 2: so I think we just need to keep doing what
Speaker 2: we're doing. Mi uh. And Aiden is a courageous, courageous
Speaker 2: man who goes down into the belly of the beast
Speaker 2: and Canton because he wanted to investigate that stupid claim
Speaker 2: about driving up over the hill that would have shown
Speaker 2: John ascending or descending stairs, which is just the height
Speaker 2: of ridiculous absurdity. But he went and did it and
Speaker 2: he wasn't scared. Now he probably won't because you know,
Speaker 2: he doesn't know what will happen and who you know,
Speaker 2: as Peter has talked about who's going to turn up
Speaker 2: and how many minutes they are going to take before
Speaker 2: some degenerate is touching his girlfriend in a fight with him.
Speaker 2: But I love what what what we all are doing here,
Speaker 2: and the way that Aiden does it is he fights
Speaker 2: fire with fire, you know, and that's what we have
Speaker 2: to do and try to expose these people. Next person
Speaker 2: is Attorney Mark Better. And we're gonna get to your
Speaker 2: question at thinking after we finished the next two court
Speaker 2: because you got another question, tourney Mark Bretter, what is
Speaker 2: your topic HYPOTHESI or quest Joan for the.
Speaker 7: In full disclosure. I didn't do the homework assignment. I'm
Speaker 7: coming up with this on the fall. That's okay, But
Speaker 7: this seems to be interesting, especially this is always to
Speaker 7: me much more fascinating with with non lawyers who just
Speaker 7: trial watch but know what's going on with this. And
Speaker 7: so my my question is, in the event that there
Speaker 7: is a retrial, which I don't necessarily believe there will be,
Speaker 7: But if there were, what do you want to see
Speaker 7: the defense do differently?
Speaker 2: Oh, that goes to mister Murphy. Sergeant Murphy first, sir, Well, there's.
Speaker 8: There were a lot of.
Speaker 9: Facts, I guess, and evidence that that stuck out in
Speaker 9: my mind that didn't didn't get brought in for whatever reason,
Speaker 9: And I guess one of them would be and I
Speaker 9: don't know that they tried to serve him and were
Speaker 9: unable to locate him, but I thought maybe Chief Berkowitz
Speaker 9: should have been brought in, certainly as a witness by the.
Speaker 8: Defense to hear from him. I think.
Speaker 9: One other bit of evidence was that there appeared to
Speaker 9: be no discussion at all about the three leaders of
Speaker 9: blood that apparently.
Speaker 8: Was never located.
Speaker 9: You can't tell me that a head wound, a head
Speaker 9: wound by whatever. Well, let's go back one. There's nothing
Speaker 9: on that car that caused that the injuries on that arm.
Speaker 9: There's nothing on that car that caused the hemotoma in
Speaker 9: his head and the laceration three inch flaceration in the back.
Speaker 8: Of his head. And there was no blunt trauma from
Speaker 8: the flabacle down to his ankle.
Speaker 9: So he didn't get hit by a car. But he
Speaker 9: certainly apparently lost three leaders of blood. And he didn't
Speaker 9: leave it in the snow, and he didn't leave it
Speaker 9: on the ground.
Speaker 8: So where is it? And I don't know why they
Speaker 8: didn't bring that in.
Speaker 9: And I will say that there were a couple of
Speaker 9: things that they left out, and I think they might
Speaker 9: have left out intentionally, but I don't know why. Maybe
Speaker 9: Mark can revisit that, but I, you know, there's there's
Speaker 9: just some other things that I can't really put my
Speaker 9: hand on it right now.
Speaker 8: But that's one of the ideas.
Speaker 2: Brilliant, brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I haven't heard that mentioned. I
Speaker 2: think I may have heard that mentioned once, but it's
Speaker 2: been a while. That is a great, great point from
Speaker 2: my from my answer, Mark would be and I alluded
Speaker 2: to this today on Twitter because, as you pointed out,
Speaker 2: I mean they could have gone more to the reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2: And I think some of your colleagues it might have
Speaker 2: been a brother something. I'm trying to remember what his
Speaker 2: name is. Uh, he's an attorney. Where's Yamaka? I remember
Speaker 2: what his name is. You know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 7: I think he's in Michigan and brother Counsel. Is that
Speaker 7: his name?
Speaker 2: Brother counsel? Excellent, Yes, and he really is. I think
Speaker 2: he may have said that that the defense may have
Speaker 2: shouldered some of the burden by presenting a hypothesis that
Speaker 2: the jury needed to buy into, and that they really
Speaker 2: took on some of that burden that was really should
Speaker 2: have been on the prosecution as opposed to the defense.
Speaker 2: But after watching it today, and I know everybody here
Speaker 2: is a huge fan of Alan Jackson, as I am,
Speaker 2: I would want that guy's my advocate, and like I
Speaker 2: said also on Twitter, I'm sure he respects you just
Speaker 2: as much, Mark, But for me, I would really like
Speaker 2: to see them engage mister Weinberg specifically because of I
Speaker 2: don't feel that as an impartial that judge bev as
Speaker 2: perhaps you do, and I realize you may be making
Speaker 2: an argument in front of her. So you you, you know,
Speaker 2: can't really say much, but I just don't feel that
Speaker 2: she's truly impartial. She has that kind of towny vibe.
Speaker 2: She seems very partial to Adam Lally. To me, this
Speaker 2: is just now I'm going off of. You know, I've
Speaker 2: never no law training. I'm just telling you how I
Speaker 2: feel as a as an EmPATH.
Speaker 7: And most people agree with you.
Speaker 2: I mean that's yes, and just as an EmPATH, I
Speaker 2: feel that way. And so she wants to be here.
Speaker 2: She she you know, she could have recused herself and
Speaker 2: should have, but she wants to be in the linelight.
Speaker 2: She wants to do this. She wants to you know,
Speaker 2: as you guys and Melanie, your buddy, talks about all
Speaker 2: the time, I alone get to make this decision. You know,
Speaker 2: something analogous to that that she loved to recite over
Speaker 2: and over. And I think that mister Weinberg would do
Speaker 2: a lot better. Not only would Judge bev I would
Speaker 2: like to see him cross examine those with specific strategic witnesses.
Speaker 2: If not that, you know, if you're going to have
Speaker 2: all three attorneys there and four including miss I believe
Speaker 2: I would want to see him because I think he's
Speaker 2: going to have more favor with Judge Bev. I don't
Speaker 2: think she likes Jackson. I think that's obvious. I don't
Speaker 2: think she likes Karen. That's a little bit too obvious.
Speaker 2: So that's what I would like to see. I would
Speaker 2: like to bring in Weinberg and use some of that
Speaker 2: Massachusetts love and respect towards the goal. Courtney, do you
Speaker 2: have anything before we.
Speaker 3: I was just going to pass to give someone else
Speaker 3: a little more time. But I completely agree with Peter.
Speaker 3: I think that there needs to be a whole new
Speaker 3: forensic analysis. And the other thing that I think is
Speaker 3: highly suspicious is all those witnesses that are all toeing
Speaker 3: the line. You've got eleven, I think or maybe twelve
Speaker 3: that are all saying the same thing. And so I
Speaker 3: was hoping here towards the end that somebody was going
Speaker 3: to break and come across. I'm still kind of hoping
Speaker 3: for that because that's a lot of people too have
Speaker 3: either bought off intimidated without somebody breaking for the good.
Speaker 8: So that's why.
Speaker 9: And I had one other items that not everybody in
Speaker 9: our group and our round table is aware of. Going
Speaker 9: back to the original incident, the morning of one, twenty nine,
Speaker 9: twenty two, I saw the paper. I do not live
Speaker 9: in town anymore in Canton, and I bought into what
Speaker 9: I should have bought into, which was the law enforcement
Speaker 9: was telling the truth and that it happened according to
Speaker 9: the newspaper and whatever you saw on the major stations.
Speaker 9: I live with that from somewhere around the first to
Speaker 9: February of twenty two. I bought into it, and I
Speaker 9: slept on it every night, believing it. And then in
Speaker 9: April of twenty three, autopsy pictures started to come out
Speaker 9: ate and cracked the wall not open, broke his story.
Speaker 9: And there was a Boston Police officer who was a
Speaker 9: good friend of mine that lives nearby, and I spoke
Speaker 9: to him. I said, what's going on at the water bubble?
Speaker 9: What do you hear, Boston Pd? He said, nobody's talking
Speaker 9: about anything. He said, are you watching Turtle Boy? I said,
Speaker 9: what the hell is that a cartoon?
Speaker 8: And I mean, that's dad is.
Speaker 9: Honestly, when I broke into it was probably April thirteenth
Speaker 9: or something.
Speaker 8: I have it when I first on my phone. I
Speaker 8: still have it the date. I contacted Davey and Eddie's
Speaker 8: office to tell him that.
Speaker 9: I was a first hand witness to Brian Wanns, who
Speaker 9: stated to me at the autobody shop he owned that
Speaker 9: he removed the tail light from the Lexus. I don't
Speaker 9: know how many of you knew that when I went.
Speaker 9: I went to him in several other police offices that
Speaker 9: I had worked with for over twenty years, and I
Speaker 9: said to them, look at I don't want to see
Speaker 9: you get jammed up in this. I got a bad
Speaker 9: feeling that there's going to be a lot of problems here.
Speaker 8: All the officers have said.
Speaker 9: To me they stayed so far away from that case,
Speaker 9: they weren't working that day that they didn't even have
Speaker 9: put their electronic fingerprint by opening the case in the computer.
Speaker 9: That's how weary they were of the story that was
Speaker 9: being told, or maybe what they had been told behind
Speaker 9: the scenes. And the point I'm making is I went,
Speaker 9: I'll tell you the quick story. I went to a
Speaker 9: shop one day in April of twenty three and I said, hey, Brian,
Speaker 9: I just want to reiterate I'm.
Speaker 8: Here to help you.
Speaker 9: Let me know you know whatever you need. If there's problems,
Speaker 9: you want to talk about it. I don't want to
Speaker 9: see you get jammed up. He said no, he said,
Speaker 9: I'm fine. The only thing I did was took the
Speaker 9: tail light out because they couldn't do it. I said
Speaker 9: what I said, Did you do a chain of custody?
Speaker 9: Did you do a supplemental report? Did you sign any documents?
Speaker 9: Did they take pictures? Did you take pictures?
Speaker 8: Ah?
Speaker 9: I don't know what they did, meaning they didn't do anything.
Speaker 9: And my understanding is he doesn't show on any of
Speaker 9: the reports, doesn't show on any of the continuity.
Speaker 8: And chain of custodies.
Speaker 9: What the hell did they have him take the tail
Speaker 9: light of for in the Canton Sallyport when it should
Speaker 9: have been done in a stay police barracks.
Speaker 2: Isn't that a great question? And isn't that Yeah?
Speaker 9: And there is there is chatter on the street that
Speaker 9: there were comments made that there was only one crack
Speaker 9: in the tail light and one piece had imploded into
Speaker 9: the interior of the assembly. There were not forty seven
Speaker 9: pieces in large fragments missing.
Speaker 2: That was from the Dyton officer that accompanied Proctor to
Speaker 2: seize the vehicle.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Sagant Barrows from Dighton corroborated what I had heard
Speaker 9: through the Canton network that that tail light was not
Speaker 9: disintegrated or shouted. It had a crack in it with
Speaker 9: a piece inside of it. So from there, do the
Speaker 9: math and look at the sally For. Look at the
Speaker 9: people that were running around that sally For. That was
Speaker 9: a crime scene, protected crime scene, and it looked like
Speaker 9: a feeding frenzy in Chesapeake Bay. I mean there were
Speaker 9: people everywhere disappearing, vaporizing.
Speaker 8: It certainly leads you to believed that something was going on.
Speaker 2: No, no question about it. Also, I want to thank
Speaker 2: Mary Ellen k I got you say, Spinks. We're going
Speaker 2: to get you up there in Dewey. We're gonna get
Speaker 2: all those comments up there. But we got to get
Speaker 2: through our next one, which is actually everybody. I just
Speaker 2: want to yes, sir.
Speaker 6: Oh sorry I kind of missed Kim, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Kim, Yeah, sorry, sorry sorry, Mike.
Speaker 5: Let me just okay, So I almost a lay up
Speaker 5: from Mark baw to me because the day that Karen
Speaker 5: Reid the jury came back with a hung jury, Nurse
Speaker 5: Kim went on TikTok and made a five point Karen
Speaker 5: Reid rode to acquittal. Okay, and this is what we
Speaker 5: came up with, all right, this was this is let's nurse.
Speaker 5: So the first is we've got to back away from
Speaker 5: the third party culprit. We have to why because we
Speaker 5: are not Mass Day Police period, end of story.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It was Michael Proctor's job to find that out and
Speaker 5: to do his homework.
Speaker 4: Didn't do it. Number two was the Lexus and the
Speaker 4: key cycles.
Speaker 5: Guys, this is bigger than any of you realize, because
Speaker 5: the Lexus key cycles are what hinge on Trooper Pall's
Speaker 5: entire crash recreation, right, is that he says that a
Speaker 5: key cycle eleven sixty two, that Karen Reid put her
Speaker 5: vehicle into reverse up to at seventy four percent pedal
Speaker 5: pressure for sixty two feet in reverse, right up to
Speaker 5: getting up to twenty four miles an hour and struck
Speaker 5: Officer O'Keefe in a side swipe.
Speaker 4: But somehow he's pirouetted and he ends up, you know,
Speaker 4: in a location that does not exist.
Speaker 5: But if we could call a Lexis guy, I got
Speaker 5: a guy at Lexus Ira danvs.
Speaker 4: Okay, his name is Tony, and you call Tony.
Speaker 5: Tony will tell you that it is impossible that the
Speaker 5: the like that Massdy police got the car and did
Speaker 5: the tech at key cycle eleven sixty four, And you're
Speaker 5: claiming that Karen Reid struck Officer O'Keefe at key Cycle
Speaker 5: eleven sixty two.
Speaker 2: Can't physic it was driven multiple times after that, including
Speaker 2: tur two back to the thirty four varue, then to
Speaker 2: O'Keefe's house, then to her parents' house, and then getting
Speaker 2: up on the tow truck. Correct and they get.
Speaker 5: It off the tow truck exactly. So those are all
Speaker 5: other things. Third, crash Daddies, you can't deny the science.
Speaker 5: You can't deny the physics. Period we push on, We
Speaker 5: push on crash Daddy's in ARCA four medical examine of bibs.
Speaker 5: This is where we get doctors forty bellow and we say, hi,
Speaker 5: this cr his Officer John O'Keeffe's injuries were never consistent
Speaker 5: with a motor vehicle accident, especially not a low speed
Speaker 5: reverse MVA. That you are being struck by a seven
Speaker 5: thousand pound vehicle, and you don't have a bruise, you
Speaker 5: don't have a break, you don't have all you don't
Speaker 5: have any injuries below your arm right your right forearm,
Speaker 5: which we're not from a tail light. It doesn't bite.
Speaker 5: And number five, this is the nail in the coffine.
Speaker 5: It is it was impossible that Officer John O'Keefe was
Speaker 5: struck at at twelve thirty two, which is the prosecutor's theory, right,
Speaker 5: because Karen Reid connects to the home Wi Fi at
Speaker 5: one Meadows at twelve thirty six am. It was clearly
Speaker 5: a six to seven minute drive at the fastest, not
Speaker 5: in inclement weather.
Speaker 4: And that is how we win retrial.
Speaker 2: Nurse Kim, we gotta go. You need to be at
Speaker 2: the table. You need to be at the table right
Speaker 2: next to Attorney Jackson, right, and Natty already asked to
Speaker 2: be Ni. I love it, Mike, go ahead, brother, I
Speaker 2: burk fat croffit.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Berkowitz, it already got brought up. I think he
Speaker 6: really needs to be brought up for a number of reason.
Speaker 6: Number one, he called a journalist early on. Turtle Boy
Speaker 6: exposed him for calling a journalist calling out you know,
Speaker 6: you can't say it's Brian Albert's house. So that shows
Speaker 6: right there the conflict of interest, which I don't think
Speaker 6: the jury saw last time. And I think they also
Speaker 6: have to go to that video of Berkowitz's retirement party
Speaker 6: and ask him Burkowitz did Brian Higgins tell the truth
Speaker 6: when he was on the stand and he said he
Speaker 6: didn't make that statement about how Burkowitz is the guy
Speaker 6: you go to to get rid of a body. But yeah,
Speaker 6: And I want to see them then Helena Rathne ask
Speaker 6: her the same question and say, Heilena, who organized the
Speaker 6: retirement party for Kenny Burkwitz. She's gonna say Brian Higgins.
Speaker 6: Then I want them to play the video of Brian
Speaker 6: Higgins at the event getting acknowledge, but the video was removed.
Speaker 6: I want them to ask Klena Rafferty, did you ask
Speaker 6: the cable company, the Cable Community Television to remove that video?
Speaker 6: Then I want them to bring up on the stand
Speaker 6: the canon community. Do you see what I'm saying. So
Speaker 6: there's a lot of things that have gone on in
Speaker 6: Canton between Berkowitz, Higgins and Brian Albert. They're all buddies,
Speaker 6: and I don't think the jury understood that, and I
Speaker 6: don't think the defense made the case. And it's so
Speaker 6: clearly there that documentation is already there. They need to
Speaker 6: ask these people and put them.
Speaker 9: On the stand percent And it was also I believe,
Speaker 9: just to add to that, Mike, I believe in that
Speaker 9: inverted myriad video that we all participated watching, I believe
Speaker 9: it showed a female police officer with a ponytail walked
Speaker 9: up along the side of the car that the tail
Speaker 9: light would have been damaged on and got about halfway
Speaker 9: back and made a ninety degree turn or a hundred
Speaker 9: and eighty degree.
Speaker 8: Turn, pirouett and scamp it away. For some reason, we gotta.
Speaker 6: Find out to ask them, who's that? Ask Helena, who
Speaker 6: is that? Who's that in that video?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the one who's selling the one point seven
Speaker 2: million dollar house. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, these guys are buddies. They were all buddies. That
Speaker 6: are all buddies and you love it.
Speaker 8: Yeah the time the gloves are off. Hours, the gloves
Speaker 8: are off.
Speaker 2: All right, and the gloves are officially off. Let's go.
Speaker 2: We're knuckling up all right. All right. So guys, this
Speaker 2: is what I want to do. We have to get
Speaker 2: Peter's topic in here. I want to do this in
Speaker 2: pretty quick because I want to get you a guy
Speaker 2: here in by eighteen minutes. And I also want to
Speaker 2: read some of the folks that have a chat the
Speaker 2: super chests. They've been very very kind and very generous
Speaker 2: and thank you. Mike's been streaming on his channel, thank you,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate everybody's kindness. Is going to help us
Speaker 2: pay for stream yard. Also, we're going to vote on
Speaker 2: best Massachusetts accent of all the content creators. I actually
Speaker 2: I've already selected somebody. I'm going to announce who has
Speaker 2: the best massachusetacks, but we're gonna save that for the
Speaker 2: end when we say goodbye.
Speaker 7: Give it away. But it's obviously Nurse Kim real quick. Ah,
Speaker 7: I do I do want to discuss the lawyer thing
Speaker 7: that we take to.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, We're gonna get to it because I and
Speaker 2: I also have a I don't don't let us leader
Speaker 2: talking about whether you could make an art an argument.
Speaker 2: You believe you could argue that there's been a Brady
Speaker 2: violation relative to the inverted video. So those are two
Speaker 2: things we got to get with Mark on that. So
Speaker 2: let's take Peter's question and let's be succinct and brief
Speaker 2: in our answers. Go ahead, Peter, whatever your topic is,
Speaker 2: if you.
Speaker 9: Have one, Yeah, my topic was was pretty much my
Speaker 9: field of expertise, which is, collectively, what is everybody's assessment
Speaker 9: of what happened after the first arrival of the police department,
Speaker 9: Canton Police on the crime scene that morning and up
Speaker 9: until what appears to be a nine o'clock visit by
Speaker 9: Officer Lank going into the house and then abandoning the
Speaker 9: crime scene.
Speaker 8: What is everybody's take on that? Do they believe that is?
Speaker 9: You know, is that something that happened inadvertently or was
Speaker 9: that by design?
Speaker 8: And who's going to be held accountable for our list?
Speaker 9: In otherwords, if they if they had done a thorough investigation,
Speaker 9: and I guess I'll throw this in everybody's direction. Had
Speaker 9: they done a thorough investigation between the time they arrived
Speaker 9: at six o'clock and perhaps eight o'clock, they could have
Speaker 9: found out a lot of information, talked to a lot
Speaker 9: of people more than they did, and that whole case
Speaker 9: we might not even be having this conversation right now,
Speaker 9: plain and simple. That case could have been solved and
Speaker 9: gone in a total different direction. Was there a probable
Speaker 9: cause to seize that car? Before Proctor had even seen
Speaker 9: it or been to the crime scene, he called for
Speaker 9: a tow truck at fifteen three o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 9: He hadn't even been to the house and seen the
Speaker 9: car yet never mind the tail light. I mean, I
Speaker 9: don't know. I just it's so much there in that
Speaker 9: first hour and a half two hours. I just wonder
Speaker 9: if when you're talking about what more of the defense
Speaker 9: can do in the next trial, if there is one,
Speaker 9: if the fed's are on here already, that I guess
Speaker 9: that's out there.
Speaker 8: That's where I hang my hat.
Speaker 2: All right, So we'll a quick hitter style on this,
Speaker 2: so I could try to get you guys out of
Speaker 2: here in thefteen minutes. My personal opinion, you've already heard me.
Speaker 2: I'm not to be as graceful and charitable as my
Speaker 2: co creator of the show, Nathan would be. I believe
Speaker 2: once they decided that that, as Mike Procter said in
Speaker 2: the text, this guy's not going to catch any shit
Speaker 2: for this, meaning Brian Albert what he said to his
Speaker 2: high school friends. Then now everything has to build off that,
Speaker 2: off not going in there and doing an investigation, and
Speaker 2: then it just has to what do we have to
Speaker 2: do to figure out what how we're gonna craft this?
Speaker 2: You know, if he didn't go in the house, well
Speaker 2: you know she must have hit. So I think it
Speaker 2: all happened. I think everything that was done was purposeful.
Speaker 2: I did not know that Lank went to the house
Speaker 2: that morning, but if they left the crime scene, unless
Speaker 2: they didn't go to investigation school like you did, Peter,
Speaker 2: I have to assume that there was a reason that
Speaker 2: they did that, and it was because the narrative was
Speaker 2: already going is how do we not he didn't go
Speaker 2: in the house, So how do you know as far
Speaker 2: as we know, he can go in the house. So
Speaker 2: we have to figure out a way this happened without
Speaker 2: going and investigating Brian Albert and his home. Not to
Speaker 2: mention the fact the dead body was there, Nurse Kim, go.
Speaker 5: Ahead, Sorry, okay, So we're just saying about what we
Speaker 5: think about what could have been done initially, like.
Speaker 2: The first the first was it meant to? Is that
Speaker 2: what you mean? Was that meant to have been done?
Speaker 2: Is that what your the crux of your question, Peter.
Speaker 9: Yes, and just just you guys could summarize it in
Speaker 9: one statement. Was that crime scene investigation intentionally intentionally abandoned
Speaker 9: in an intentionally uh debacle? Or or was it just
Speaker 9: everybody was tired that morning and really you know, was
Speaker 9: worried about it.
Speaker 5: Couldn't it couldn't have been mister Murphy in my humble opinion,
Speaker 5: because they did know within minutes that it was Officer
Speaker 5: John O'Keeffe when and I still always go back to
Speaker 5: jen mccab okay, a Jennifer mccab as I call her,
Speaker 5: is that her calling that like her calling nine when
Speaker 5: won the calm in her voice and not running into
Speaker 5: the house to go see if her sister and her
Speaker 5: brother in law were alive or unalived, and and her nephew,
Speaker 5: her nieces and nephews. It's it, make it make sense.
Speaker 5: And I just think that the scene though that was
Speaker 5: an intentional there's no other way to look at it.
Speaker 5: I understand it was snowing, but to me, no questions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they do. They knew who everybody knew who they were.
Speaker 6: Every they knew Albert's, they all knew each other, and
Speaker 6: they all knew that Kenny Berkowitz was good friends with
Speaker 6: Brian Albert.
Speaker 2: So that's it.
Speaker 6: And you got a Boston police officer, so obviously they
Speaker 6: knew this was serious, but they left. So why did
Speaker 6: they leave? It's pretty obvious. It's just like Kenny Burkowitz
Speaker 6: call the reporter. Why did Kenny Burkeys would drive by
Speaker 6: and find more tail. Like, it's obvious what's going on
Speaker 6: here the cover up, and the reason why is because
Speaker 6: of politics. They all knew each other, and they knew
Speaker 6: that the boss, the guy, the guy who've been there
Speaker 6: for like thirty years or whatever, who has all the
Speaker 6: friends in the FBI and the DA and the ATF
Speaker 6: State Police, he's got friends from New York. I mean
Speaker 6: there when if you watch a retirement party, you could
Speaker 6: see this guy Burkwitz is connected. He's the rain banker
Speaker 6: for everybody else. He knows everybody. So when the boss
Speaker 6: has friends with the homeowner, they made a decision. And
Speaker 6: it's pretty obvious what happened there.
Speaker 7: Dead Boston cop on the lawn of another dead Boston cop.
Speaker 7: Not to butcher allaliism, But where, if anywhere else would
Speaker 7: this happen that the crime scene would not be secured.
Speaker 7: And the answer is nowhere. All hands on deck, officer down,
Speaker 7: let's get to the bottom of this. And the testimony
Speaker 7: was that no one was coming out to take the scene,
Speaker 7: so they just said eh and they left, and once
Speaker 7: they abandoned the crime scene, they abandoned the case. So no,
Speaker 7: that's intentional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't see it. I can't see it any
Speaker 2: any other way. It would just be just too kind
Speaker 2: to say that they're inept, because that would that would
Speaker 2: reflect on on Peter and other officers that they don't
Speaker 2: know how to investigate.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: They just very quickly it's like, okay, we you know,
Speaker 2: we know what happened here. We got to I can't
Speaker 2: remember what caused the recusal, if that was the Kevin
Speaker 2: Albert related or something else. Oh, I think it was.
Speaker 2: He had he hadn't been dead yet, so it couldn't
Speaker 2: have gone over to the state police because a death
Speaker 2: had not yet occurred. He was alive when he left
Speaker 2: the scene and then apparently was pronounced dead at the hospital,
Speaker 2: and then it went over to the state police. But
Speaker 2: I just think they just knew, Hey, we can't pin
Speaker 2: it on Kevin Albert's older brother, the enforcer, Brian Albert.
Speaker 2: I assume, so we need to find another way that
Speaker 2: this happened. But who knows. You know, that's what's all
Speaker 2: gonna be in a Netflix movie someday. All right, Uh,
Speaker 2: Tourney Bedro, Sir, can you make an argument for a
Speaker 2: Brady violation? Do you think off of that manipulated Sally
Speaker 2: Port video? Do you think there's a cogent argument there
Speaker 2: that would have legal standing.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I think you have that, as well as
Speaker 7: a flagrant discovery violation. This thing was turned over, even
Speaker 7: if it was legitimate, in the middle of trial and
Speaker 7: left the defense with nothing to do other than by
Speaker 7: the seat of their pants very effectively as it were,
Speaker 7: cross examined Buchanic about it and twist him into a knot,
Speaker 7: and you know he'll get hurt at a retrial on
Speaker 7: that with more thought, but obviously a video that appears
Speaker 7: to have been tampered with in some capacity, that appears
Speaker 7: to flip the image such that the important tail light
Speaker 7: is no longer in view. That also, by flipping the
Speaker 7: image takes Michael Proctor out of view in that area
Speaker 7: of the tail light, and video that appears to show
Speaker 7: people coming and going. You know, it's like a Harry
Speaker 7: Potter movie, operating and operating out. Is that favorable to
Speaker 7: the defense in a case where their whole theory is
Speaker 7: that this is a cover up and a frame job.
Speaker 7: Unequivocally yes, So it is certainly Brady material that there
Speaker 7: ought to be issues, and I think they will file
Speaker 7: motions and seek sanctions if it's appropriate. But it also
Speaker 7: extends to ethically, did the prosecutor knowingly offer false evidence,
Speaker 7: which is a serious problem. Did Buchanic testify falsely intentionally,
Speaker 7: which you know, we call that perjury in this business.
Speaker 7: His direct examination was very different than his cross examination.
Speaker 7: Once it became clear that that video was inverted. He
Speaker 7: started forgetting who is who, who did, what, what's going on? So, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's a flagrant discovery violation at a minimum, and it's
Speaker 7: an egregious Brady violation at worse. And I think they
Speaker 7: will try to get to the bottom of that, and
Speaker 7: will I mean, I said this a few weeks ago
Speaker 7: that I thought one of the biggest issues in the
Speaker 7: build up to a second trial, and one of the
Speaker 7: biggest advantages the defense is going to have is they're
Speaker 7: going to send out subpoenas, discovery demands, emotions all about
Speaker 7: the video. They're going to solve that problem. And when
Speaker 7: they do, there's going to be issues with Buchanic, potentially
Speaker 7: with the DA's office, because you'd have to believe that
Speaker 7: when Lally offered that video, he didn't know. I mean,
Speaker 7: I find that just very I don't know what he
Speaker 7: knew or didn't do, and I don't want to accuse
Speaker 7: him of literally presenting false evidence, but you know, sometimes
Speaker 7: you look at it and you say, how could you
Speaker 7: not know? And yeah, but he should have. I mean
Speaker 7: the standard is you know, professionally, you knew or should
Speaker 7: have known, and any reasonable prosecutor would have known that
Speaker 7: that is Fugezi evidence. And again it's not just the
Speaker 7: mere inversion. It took out the tail light and procter
Speaker 7: and if the proper her tail light had been depicted,
Speaker 7: it may very well show exactly what the Dighton cops
Speaker 7: saw and this case would have been over. So yes,
Speaker 7: it's a very big deal.
Speaker 2: And there's a ring camera video that shows that that
Speaker 2: you can see the tail light's glowing red. And also
Speaker 2: you know, I I got to think, Leally, I realized
Speaker 2: that we're in New England and not England. But the
Speaker 2: driver of a vehicle pulling a car shouldn't be getting
Speaker 2: out of the right side, you know, because as it
Speaker 2: turns out, her Lexus is actually an American model, so
Speaker 2: the driver should be on the left side of the vehicle.
Speaker 2: Don't say that.
Speaker 7: Also that you're right and Brady violation, you know, if
Speaker 7: the cops do something, even if the DA is an
Speaker 7: unwitting vessel by offering the false evidence without knowing. The
Speaker 7: question is if the Canon police turn this over in
Speaker 7: the middle of trial, and what they turned over was
Speaker 7: this piece of garbage. Well, now the issue is, well,
Speaker 7: what did the police know and what did they do?
Speaker 7: You know, the DA can't just get up and say
Speaker 7: I didn't know. You can can't just get up and
Speaker 7: say I made a mistake. That's all wonderful for the
Speaker 7: two of them. What did the people in the Canton
Speaker 7: police know? Why wasn't it disclosed earlier? Why wasn't it
Speaker 7: disclosed in the proper form? Why was it inverted? And
Speaker 7: you can't say that it's some kind of mistake because
Speaker 7: the clock is all messed up, it's different color, and
Speaker 7: you have people operating in and out, which I'm not
Speaker 7: a tech guy, but even I can tell you that
Speaker 7: means there's more than one thing going on there. That's
Speaker 7: not just literally a video showing the wrong side. There's
Speaker 7: manipulation going on there.
Speaker 2: You're I'm sorry, go ahead, very very serious thing going
Speaker 2: forward over the next couple of months. So your colleague
Speaker 2: Melanie Little had on the tech guy that was sitting
Speaker 2: behind sitting behind Karen Reid's team that they brought out
Speaker 2: from la He said he has forty years of trials,
Speaker 2: and he said he's never seen these bigans. And he
Speaker 2: said that they clearly had to when they've reversed it,
Speaker 2: they had to re import that time stamp, which is
Speaker 2: probably an artificial time stamp that they that they stuck
Speaker 2: in there. So, yeah, it clearly was manipulated.
Speaker 7: And don't underestimate the significance of the fact that that
Speaker 7: was not disclosed until the middle of trial. Meaning it's
Speaker 7: not like Alan and David got that video in March
Speaker 7: and had weeks to analyze this and prepare for it.
Speaker 7: They had to do it on the fly.
Speaker 8: On the fly.
Speaker 7: It's extraordinarily prejudicial to the defense because they Yeah, but
Speaker 7: to use it effectively, which they did, was still severely limited.
Speaker 7: They could have just killed them with this if they
Speaker 7: had the right time and knowledge. But where it came from,
Speaker 7: Who's responsible? How did this happen? All these questions that
Speaker 7: we're talking about.
Speaker 2: And then with the judge from the Alec Baldwin trial,
Speaker 2: you know, she she made the right call on this thing.
Speaker 2: But you saw, you know, Judge Bev never even batter
Speaker 2: an eye.
Speaker 7: And remember saying to Mike on one of his shows
Speaker 7: that what I wanted to see the next morning was
Speaker 7: the judge say, before you bring the jury out, get
Speaker 7: the lawyers in the courtroom, and say, what the hell
Speaker 7: happened in my courtroom yesterday with this video? I want
Speaker 7: an explanation of why it was disclosed now, why it's
Speaker 7: in this condition, what the hell was with Buchanic twisting
Speaker 7: his testimony around about it? Mister Lally, what do you
Speaker 7: have to say? And unfortunately you know she didn't do that,
Speaker 7: which is I mean, look, well, all I can tell
Speaker 7: you is my own experience. You know, in Sharp Elbow
Speaker 7: in New York, a judge would have been looking at
Speaker 7: the defense and saying, is there an application here? And
Speaker 7: what by that I mean is are you asking me
Speaker 7: for a mistrial? Because I'll hear you. I don't know
Speaker 7: that I'll grant it, but I'm damn well going to
Speaker 7: listen to it because that kind of discovery violation of
Speaker 7: something that important at that point of a trial is
Speaker 7: so egregious. And she just didn't care.
Speaker 6: I think she yelled at Jackson or something at that
Speaker 6: point too, didn't.
Speaker 2: She that day?
Speaker 6: Like she didn't not only didn't she called Lally, she
Speaker 6: like gave I think the defensive ship that day.
Speaker 7: Listen, if I'm the defense as I'm trying to learn
Speaker 7: about how to handle this going forward, I'm making all
Speaker 7: kinds of demands and motions. And I also want to know,
Speaker 7: you know, not to get all Watergate on Lally, but
Speaker 7: what did he know and when did he know it?
Speaker 7: Because he's this, he's got an answer for this.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I just can't believe that. That's not that
Speaker 2: that the judge didn't that people wonder why bev why
Speaker 2: people think they're build That's why I don't think this
Speaker 2: is the reason why.
Speaker 7: I get it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 7: I guess my point was, I'm not sure she's corrupt,
Speaker 7: but she's made terrible rulings and she's not a great
Speaker 7: judge for them.
Speaker 6: Clearly she might just ad at her job.
Speaker 2: Could be the the Norfolk District judge. If you guys
Speaker 2: heard her rule on the Birchmore motions the other day
Speaker 2: was while I was actually driving to Colorado. That is
Speaker 2: a judge, I would like to say, that was asking questions,
Speaker 2: engaged with attorneys on all sides, UH, trying to say, yeah,
Speaker 2: can you please explain to me why this is an issue,
Speaker 2: because I don't I don't think. I like, that's the
Speaker 2: kind of judge we need in this case. And I
Speaker 2: don't know that they're going to get into with Judge Beb.
Speaker 2: I really, I really don't feel that. I I just
Speaker 2: don't think because she's just gonna keep every time they
Speaker 2: make an objection, she's gonna say sustained g I'll I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: Let's if anybody has anything, get in there, and then
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to the the uh to the folks
Speaker 2: that that uh uh the super chat. So if anybody
Speaker 2: has a question for another panelists, go ahead, and if not, wait,
Speaker 2: let me.
Speaker 8: Oh sir, okay to go to the general roundtable.
Speaker 9: What do you think the possibility is and has that
Speaker 9: possibility increased in the last six months of the RICO
Speaker 9: Act being implemented RICO being the Racketeer Influenced and Abrupt
Speaker 9: Organization Act.
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I think it's it's gonna be hard,
Speaker 6: but I think it's increased. Like I think, like because
Speaker 6: I have Mark on the show a lot, and it
Speaker 6: seems like it'd be simple to go through other charges.
Speaker 6: But I agree, I think that that could be where
Speaker 6: it goes in the end.
Speaker 7: It's tough. I mean, you don't usually see the federal
Speaker 7: Rico statute use for you know, other than like the
Speaker 7: mafia and real sophisticated gangs and and taking a bunch
Speaker 7: of if they're gonna get indicted a bunch of knuckleheads
Speaker 7: and goons from Canton who threw this thing together and
Speaker 7: covered it up and did this, do I think that
Speaker 7: they're gonna literally call them, you know, as a term
Speaker 7: of art, a corrupt organization and prove that they were
Speaker 7: acting as a corrupt organization toward I to me, it
Speaker 7: just seems a bridge too far. I think these are
Speaker 7: civil rights crimes potentially with the police, uh maybe some
Speaker 7: other process crimes related to that and and there. I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't think it's going to be the biggest federal case.
Speaker 7: If there is a case at all, There may be
Speaker 7: nothing by the way, I mean that that's a real possibility.
Speaker 7: I can't fathom that the US attorney, you know, for
Speaker 7: the District of Massachusetts is gonna unseal a ginormous rico indictment,
Speaker 7: you know, and call the what are they gonna I
Speaker 7: can picture the indictment you know, what are they gonna
Speaker 7: call the corrupt organization that Michael, They're really going to
Speaker 7: call them the Mcalbert organization.
Speaker 6: I mean, what if Michael Morrissey's at the top. What
Speaker 6: if it's Michael the Michael Morrissey mcalibert organization.
Speaker 7: If this, well, you make a good if this is
Speaker 7: a much larger thing Morrissey in the DA's office in
Speaker 7: other cases, I still don't know if it becomes a
Speaker 7: reco case, but that becomes interesting because that makes the
Speaker 7: whole Karen Reid Albert thing less significant to what they're
Speaker 7: going to do. But of course, if they were to
Speaker 7: indict Marssy, then the Karen Reid cases over anyway, even
Speaker 7: if the indictment has nothing to do.
Speaker 6: I think that's where it's going. I think that's the
Speaker 6: hold up too. It's like, this is not a simple case.
Speaker 6: That's why I think it's being held up.
Speaker 7: I mean, look, people have said, and I have no
Speaker 7: opinion on this because I don't know, but I mean
Speaker 7: I've heard people say in a factual sense that they
Speaker 7: defense tap Morrissey's phone. Now to get what they call
Speaker 7: a Title three wiretap application, you have to jump through
Speaker 7: hurdles like you can't believe, you know, as crazy as
Speaker 7: it sounds, you can't just have a prosecutor to tell
Speaker 7: a judge. I'd really like to listen in real time
Speaker 7: to this guy's phone calls. Now, when that person is
Speaker 7: the sitting district attorney of a county who prosecutes crimes, uh,
Speaker 7: it becomes that much harder. And if a federal judge
Speaker 7: authorized that, then you know that would that would be unbelievable,
Speaker 7: and that would be really bad from Marcy because that
Speaker 7: that that's telling they just don't do.
Speaker 2: That federal indictment. Lord here our prayer? Uh all right,
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, A man. I just want to do some
Speaker 2: thank you and see if there's some questions here. Peace
Speaker 2: be with each one of you here tonight. Keep the faith.
Speaker 2: Thank you MODS for all your work the Pilgrim Shadow.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for the blessing. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: We've had some new members. Patty Watson is a new
Speaker 2: member of Mike's channel because I don't think we have
Speaker 2: membership turned on here. Where are the receipts and video
Speaker 2: for bir of Birthday Donuts? I don't know what that's
Speaker 2: all about.
Speaker 6: They're talking about the Burke Gortz party.
Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta know.
Speaker 5: Jill Daniels showing up talking about Julie Albert.
Speaker 4: No worries.
Speaker 7: Guys, don't you know what I'm talking about? They're like sisters, right, yeah, all.
Speaker 2: Right, thank you. I gotta know. I appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Who doesn't get birthday donuts?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Here we go from Jar ten dollars blessing.
Speaker 2: Where is broken Baker? Great panel, thanks Sergeant Murphy, and
Speaker 2: great analysis from all. Thank you, Jar, appreciate you, Freedom Ring.
Speaker 2: What is this here? Okay? One use more demonstrative exhibits
Speaker 2: stress bop. Oh, that's an answer to your question. Mark, great,
Speaker 2: so this could be another attorney. Thank you, freedom Ring.
Speaker 2: We appreciate that. Two dollars blessing. Uh, let's see Leah, Leah,
Speaker 2: anyone know where the Oh yes, Leah, thank you for
Speaker 2: pointing out. Sergeant Murphy pointed this out. But Leah, you're
Speaker 2: on the ball. Where did three leaders of blood go?
Speaker 2: Did the backpack blow? Was it frozen in the backpack
Speaker 2: blow or blew it into the middle of Fairview? Who knows?
Speaker 2: Or was it all inside the house and they were
Speaker 2: frantically bleaching up the joint and I just want just
Speaker 2: Peter with some luminol would have showed it all all right, Uh,
Speaker 2: here we go. Third party d makes sense. They didn't
Speaker 2: know how ARCA testimony would go. They don't have to
Speaker 2: next time. Is there one right? I'm not sure Dewey
Speaker 2: if anybody understands the context, but it's yes.
Speaker 8: What she.
Speaker 7: Is saying is it means third party culprit. It makes
Speaker 7: sense because they didn't know what ARCO would mean, and
Speaker 7: they don't have the next time, meaning if there's another trial,
Speaker 7: they don't have to make that all.
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, they can just make it about the
Speaker 6: frame up. They don't have to make it like you know,
Speaker 6: about who did it?
Speaker 7: Well you it's all about degrees. I mean, look and
Speaker 7: let me let me just to bring it back real
Speaker 7: quickly because we're going to talk about the lawyers before.
Speaker 7: I feel compelled to say this because we were talking
Speaker 7: about well, who would do the cross examinations at the
Speaker 7: So you know, starting out in the Manhattan DA's office
Speaker 7: and practicing in Manhattan is very similar to LA. You
Speaker 7: get all the high profile cases. They're the lawyers are
Speaker 7: the best of the best. I mean basically New York
Speaker 7: and LA or for this kind of thing the two places.
Speaker 7: And so having done that and coming from what is
Speaker 7: un indisputably the best DA's office in the country, and
Speaker 7: in private practice, you get the opportunity to work with
Speaker 7: against and become colleagues with, you know, the best trial
Speaker 7: lawyers out there, and I have seen them all in
Speaker 7: New York, know most of them, and I can tell
Speaker 7: you watching Alan Jackson, indisputably he's at the top of
Speaker 7: that list. Okay, so he is incredible, and the reality
Speaker 7: is in front of a jury, him and David are
Speaker 7: doing the cross examinations. That's not a knock on mister Weinberg,
Speaker 7: who yesterday was brilliant and we talked about this, but
Speaker 7: you know, he's more of an appellate lawyer and he
Speaker 7: had a great demeanor with the judge. But Alan Jackson
Speaker 7: is a master in front of a jury and has
Speaker 7: the right demeanor for a trial of this magnitude, the
Speaker 7: right game plan, the right skill set, and there's nobody
Speaker 7: else you want before him doing this. He is indisputably
Speaker 7: top shelf and I've seen the best and he's up there.
Speaker 7: So he's going to do it. And David is at
Speaker 7: that level too, And you know they're they're good. Their
Speaker 7: whole legal team is spectacular, and just because there's an
Speaker 7: apparent hung jury on one of these accounts, it doesn't
Speaker 7: mean the lawyers didn't do this. And when we're offering
Speaker 7: suggestions maybe do this separately, the best lawyers who are
Speaker 7: that good are also the least sensitive, okay, because they
Speaker 7: know who they are and they listen to other people
Speaker 7: and have enough security and confidence to say, that's a
Speaker 7: good idea. Maybe I'll do it this way, maybe I won't.
Speaker 7: So you know, if they're listening to any of this stuff,
Speaker 7: they'll take it or they won't, but they're not going
Speaker 7: to be offended by any.
Speaker 2: Of this, Okay. So basically you're I'm off on that.
Speaker 2: Then as far as me thinking Attorney Weinberg would be
Speaker 2: good for at least some of the witnesses, you would.
Speaker 7: He would be great. No, let me. I mean again,
Speaker 7: this is all pick your poison. You know you're picking.
Speaker 7: At a high level. What I'm saying is that Alan
Speaker 7: Jackson is like among the best, and yeah, that's out there,
Speaker 7: and you he they're good with him doing whatever they
Speaker 7: need him to do. Certainly in cross examination of witnesses.
Speaker 7: Now they brought in mister Weinberg because he's an appellate
Speaker 7: expert and the best of the best at that in
Speaker 7: an issue which is all a legal issue, and of
Speaker 7: course which Alan and David potentially could be witnesses at
Speaker 7: a hearing, So that made perfect sense. But when you
Speaker 7: have Alan Jackson as the trial lawyer, and when he's
Speaker 7: willing to stay, which of course he is, you keep him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems like she stifled him when he
Speaker 2: tries to cross examine, and really she just doesn't like him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just like so totally, and she doesn't like Karen Reid,
Speaker 7: and she has respect for for Martin Weinberg obviously, but ultimately,
Speaker 7: you know, it's the jury that you have to deal with.
Speaker 7: And the reality is they've you know, Karen has two
Speaker 7: titans who know what they're doing, and Alan and David
Speaker 7: and you go right back with them. They recharge the battery,
Speaker 7: they have six months to fine tune, you know, recalibrate, reorganize, rethink,
Speaker 7: and then they do it and then they're just gonna
Speaker 7: destroy them at a retrial if it happens, And that's
Speaker 7: what you do.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just it's like the admark. I think, just
Speaker 9: to jump on what you just said, piggyback on it.
Speaker 9: I don't think anybody at this round table, and just
Speaker 9: so the audience knows that when we said what would
Speaker 9: we like to have seen the defense too? I don't
Speaker 9: think we you know, it wasn't intended that we were
Speaker 9: criticizing the defense any way of fashion. I think anything
Speaker 9: they did was strategic. I don't think they left anything
Speaker 9: out that they didn't intend.
Speaker 8: To leave out.
Speaker 9: And it's just that my opinion was I would have
Speaker 9: liked to have had.
Speaker 8: Somebody talk about the three leaders.
Speaker 9: But and obviously they didn't get a chance to really
Speaker 9: bring in the Sally put stuff because it was thrown
Speaker 9: it at them in the ninth inning. But I think
Speaker 9: they did a tremendous job. There isn't I wouldn't hesitate
Speaker 9: for a second to call them for anybody, or myself included,
Speaker 9: if I got jammed up.
Speaker 7: And that's that's the best compliment you can say when
Speaker 7: it comes from like, you know, people like us. If
Speaker 7: I got jammed up, and on my very short list,
Speaker 7: the calls would be him I.
Speaker 6: Can afford it. If I could afford them, that would
Speaker 6: be the only thing that would come into play on
Speaker 6: that I mean Alan Jackson, I mean, come on, how
Speaker 6: much do you think he's charged? He has top shelf.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 7: I assure you a lot. And again, what we can
Speaker 7: have these conversations about, you know, New York and l
Speaker 7: A rates. It's uh yeah, it's bad, bad.
Speaker 2: It'd we get Melanie, little Melanie, little discount man.
Speaker 7: That's why, you know, you get all serious for a minute.
Speaker 7: You feel terrible about what's happening to Karen Read. You
Speaker 7: can't have them what her legal fees are, whatever you
Speaker 7: think they are. Yeah, because you have expenses. You do
Speaker 7: have out of town lawyers who have to live across
Speaker 7: the country and hotels and eat and do this for
Speaker 7: months at a time and travel and and it's insane with.
Speaker 2: Her legal.
Speaker 7: Four lawyers, and it's it's but what are you going
Speaker 7: to do? You gotta clear your name.
Speaker 2: Nobody cares about that though. On the no one that's
Speaker 2: trying to frame her. You know, Jen McCabe isn't thinking
Speaker 2: about that, about that. This woman you have, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say you've ruined her life, but she has
Speaker 2: to build her entire adulthood over again with starting with work,
Speaker 2: with this beautiful home that she has to sell. I
Speaker 2: would love to have an She has to rebuild all
Speaker 2: of that as a result of these allegations, but they
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 7: The famous quote is, and you know, I remember when
Speaker 7: we had our FBI agent was acquitted or the case
Speaker 7: was dismissed. He made the famous statement that someone else
Speaker 7: has said, you know, where do I go to get
Speaker 7: my reputation back? You know, what do you do for
Speaker 7: someone like Karen Reid? She's going to walk down the
Speaker 7: street and there's always going to be people always. You know,
Speaker 7: they may be those from the island of the misfit
Speaker 7: toys or the online trolls and losers, but they're always
Speaker 7: going to be just you know, cop killer this or that.
Speaker 7: And the reality is, you know, she's probably never even
Speaker 7: had a chance to really even appreciate what happened. I mean,
Speaker 7: if you if you believe she's innocent, then her boyfriend,
Speaker 7: whatever the state of the relationship was at the end,
Speaker 7: was killed. And from day one you were accused him
Speaker 7: of murdering him. So how do you even process all that?
Speaker 7: It's hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's going to like move to Arizona like and
Speaker 2: try to like rebuild her life.
Speaker 7: But you can imagine this woman highly recommend that if
Speaker 7: she's watching go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: She always thought though, guys, is like that she's never
Speaker 5: had even a time to grieve Officer John O'Keefe, right,
Speaker 5: because she's been fighting for her life since January twenty ninth,
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, after the loss of you know, the
Speaker 5: love of her life. You know, whatever you want to say,
Speaker 5: like you say about the state of the relationship, she
Speaker 5: has never had an opportunity And as a nurse, I
Speaker 5: can and as a woman, and you know, I can
Speaker 5: just like imagine because she's just she had to get
Speaker 5: into a zone that I need to figure this out
Speaker 5: and I need to fight because they're never gonna catch
Speaker 5: me laying down.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: You know, she's just really, really done the best job
Speaker 5: that I think. I couldn't give her any more compliments
Speaker 5: of the way that she's presented herself and the way
Speaker 5: that she continues to go forward and just really.
Speaker 4: Fight for Officer John O'Keeffe and herself.
Speaker 7: It's interesting because again, when you do this for a living,
Speaker 7: you deal with clients who don't want to be around you.
Speaker 7: Obviously there's something bad has happened. There's stress, there's panic,
Speaker 7: and different people react differently. And if you've met her,
Speaker 7: the word I used previously was she's made a real
Speaker 7: stern and strong stuff. She's real tough and appears to
Speaker 7: present that way publicly and privately, and appears to be
Speaker 7: appears to be highly involved in her own defense. I mean,
Speaker 7: like actively as part of analytically and we should do
Speaker 7: this and do that. And you know a lot of
Speaker 7: clients turtle up. They just can't handle it. They just say,
Speaker 7: you deal with it, and I'm going to go in
Speaker 7: the corner over here and stare at the wall and
Speaker 7: you tell me when there's good news. And you know,
Speaker 7: she's been living this as a fighter for two and
Speaker 7: a half years, getting yelled at, harassed, all this other stuff.
Speaker 7: Listening to those Procter texts. I don't know how anyone
Speaker 7: could do that and just not want to. I mean,
Speaker 7: the humiliation. So I mean, they certainly have a formidable opponent,
Speaker 7: you know, from the eyes of the DA that they
Speaker 7: have to deal with. And you put someone like that
Speaker 7: with skilled lawyers and it's it's probably not gonna end
Speaker 7: good for you know, the Marrissey.
Speaker 2: People sick sick. I don't even know. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't have the right adjective to describe what you have,
Speaker 2: what mindset you, what you have to be to know
Speaker 2: that evidence was monkeyed with and concocted in order to
Speaker 2: get someone to take a fall so that you just
Speaker 2: don't look bad.
Speaker 7: I can't fathom a prosecutor who, upon receiving all those
Speaker 7: federal materials that they got, learns about the arc of stuff,
Speaker 7: learns about Procter's text messages, learns about all the butt
Speaker 7: dials and Google searches and all of that, knows everything
Speaker 7: else about the case, and says, well, we're going to
Speaker 7: send our guy to court, and when they argue about this,
Speaker 7: he's going to say, your honor, we reviewed these materials
Speaker 7: and there's virtually no exculpatory evidence in here. And I'm
Speaker 7: thinking it's all exculpatory. My god, man, what are you
Speaker 7: talking about? And you're still willing to go forward in
Speaker 7: the face of this evidence because you have, you know,
Speaker 7: a Trooper Paul type of character, who I mean, all
Speaker 7: kidding aside, he's just not qualified, I mean, the terrible
Speaker 7: witness and that's that. And your claims that she said
Speaker 7: I hit him are essentially your case, and to go
Speaker 7: forward on that, in my view, it's unethical. I mean,
Speaker 7: I think it actually violates. There is an ethical rule
Speaker 7: in Massachusetts, and they're all the same in every state
Speaker 7: that there are. It's titled Special Responsibilities of a Prosecutor.
Speaker 7: I think it's three point eight if anyone wants to look,
Speaker 7: but I forget, but it actually says it. You know,
Speaker 7: you cannot proceed if you don't have probable cause, which
Speaker 7: of course makes sense to everyone, but it's actually unethical
Speaker 7: to be a prosecutor an attempt to prosecute someone knowing
Speaker 7: or what you reasonably should know is a lack of
Speaker 7: probable cause. And when they got the ARCA stuff, I
Speaker 7: don't know how in good faith that point, never mind
Speaker 7: proved beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know how they
Speaker 7: could have ever thought they had probable cause to believe
Speaker 7: she's guilty. And you know what those guys were saying
Speaker 7: and what they knew that meant vis a vis the
Speaker 7: Tailwhite then it was probably put there, which matches all
Speaker 7: the other evidence that they had about you know, these guys.
Speaker 7: It's mind boggling.
Speaker 2: And this is not a Massachusetts problem. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you look at go look at New York Brooklyn DA's office,
Speaker 2: detective Louis Scarcela. The New York City has paid out
Speaker 2: like one hundred and ten million dollars in lawsuits. But
Speaker 2: it was a DA in Brooklyn who found out off
Speaker 2: a one case from Louis Scarcella. Of I can't David,
Speaker 2: I can't remember what his last name is, but David Randa,
Speaker 2: the David Randa case. Yeah, r Randa, Yeah, broke that
Speaker 2: case open. And now all of Scarcella's cases are going.
Speaker 2: The Dirty the Dirty thirty precinct in the Bronx.
Speaker 7: There's a whole Manhattan that was actually Manhattan, the thirtieth
Speaker 7: precincts in Harlem.
Speaker 2: It was a Manhattan, okay, but there there was also
Speaker 2: there's there's another precinct that had the same thing other
Speaker 2: than the Dirty thirty. So all, I mean, this is
Speaker 2: not unique to Massachusetts, and I don't want people to
Speaker 2: think it is. But look at the Panels County sheriff.
Speaker 2: Just the other day, he said they arrested one of
Speaker 2: their detectives who was helping facilitate drug dealers. But he
Speaker 2: stood up on the podium and he led up to
Speaker 2: it and said, we arrested the guy, and we're going
Speaker 2: to figure out all the people, whomever else was culpable
Speaker 2: in this. That's the problem is what's not happening. But Dan,
Speaker 2: I've you guys for two hours. I will read the
Speaker 2: super chats after you, guys, because I am and calling
Speaker 2: all beings is extremely grateful for your all of you.
Speaker 2: So the any final parting shots. Thank you Mike. It
Speaker 2: was a pleasure meeting you, Oh, Gretel, thank you Jay,
Speaker 2: Thank you guys. It was it was actually an honor
Speaker 2: and a pleasure. I will do those super chats afterward,
Speaker 2: just because I don't want to keep you guys. Thank you, Mark,
Speaker 2: Sergeant Peter Murphy, Nurse Kim. We'll go trying to get
Speaker 2: you on with Masa maybe on the twenty fourth, because
Speaker 2: we're gonna have big brother Masa on there, but on
Speaker 2: behalf of all of Yes, absolutely, he's great. He has
Speaker 2: a profest.
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm sorry, we've been making a lot of wire
Speaker 7: jokes lately online with you've seen if somebody you've seen
Speaker 7: what's going on, maybe maybe Masa should officially become brother Masa.
Speaker 7: Like remember remember the hit man, the religious hit man
Speaker 7: brother brother Brother. I forget his name, but you.
Speaker 2: Know there was a oh you're talking about the guy
Speaker 2: who would have the sought off shotgun.
Speaker 7: No, no, they different. They brought him in from New York.
Speaker 7: He had the bow tie. He was the apparently.
Speaker 5: Brothers in the chat Hi brother Masasa.
Speaker 7: So brother Masa, that's what you should be. I don't
Speaker 7: know why I thought of that, but if he doesn't
Speaker 7: like it, it's okay. But there's been just a lot
Speaker 7: of wire jokes.
Speaker 4: I'll be sister nurse cam absolutely.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have you guys on together because we're having
Speaker 2: him on the twenty fourth, and we could try to
Speaker 2: get Attorney Little for that one. Just one of the
Speaker 2: fans like, you gotta get attorney Melanie Little. I was like,
Speaker 2: I will ask her. I will ask her. She's gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone brother work. I will absolutely ask her. But maybe
Speaker 2: we could get you guys on as the big three.
Speaker 2: You could be the Garnett let's see. Uh all right,
Speaker 2: help me out with this. It's KG, It's Paul Pierce,
Speaker 2: and it's Ray Allen. Right, but I'm more like.
Speaker 6: Warry Bird, Robert Parrish and uh, what's his name, Michale.
Speaker 2: So I was at Dean College for that season, Uh, Mike,
Speaker 2: And I remember sitting in my dorm room in the
Speaker 2: right hand upper corner of Dean Hall. My roommate had
Speaker 2: a black and white TV and I could sit watch
Speaker 2: Celtics games at night during that season, and it was
Speaker 2: just the most incredible basketball, high level high i Q basketball.
Speaker 2: As a Knicks fan, it hurt, that's all I can
Speaker 2: tell you. But I watched the hell of.
Speaker 6: Those games to thirty West Coast.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a period of time where when my
Speaker 7: son was going to be born that I wanted his
Speaker 7: middle name.
Speaker 2: To be and I was.
Speaker 7: I was dead serious, and it was because it didn't
Speaker 7: work out. As you can imagine, he's amazing.
Speaker 2: The Lakers probably would not have won that that other title,
Speaker 2: you know, without without Rondo's influence that year. So he's
Speaker 2: a great player. All right, guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: One love to all of you. Oh, I have quote, Okay,
Speaker 2: so I'm sorry. Uh so reality check once. She has
Speaker 2: a question for Mark and Peter in the super chat,
Speaker 2: so she's not gonna let me let you go without that.
Speaker 2: All right, reality check? All right, bye, Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: my dear by Mike. You guys are awesome. Yep, all right,
Speaker 2: let me get to reality check. Okay, here you go.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm sorry. I was just I didn't want
Speaker 2: to keep these guys too long. But Peter, this one's
Speaker 2: for you, all right, Peter. Shouldn't the l E have
Speaker 2: obtained camera footage of all cars travels who were there
Speaker 2: at the house to verify their leave times and have
Speaker 2: a correct timeline. I think she's referring to those ring
Speaker 2: cameras that suddenly, you know, Deputy Chief or whatever doesn't
Speaker 2: have them. Shouldn't they have gotten all those cameras?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think.
Speaker 9: I think I can quote Aiden is saying that he
Speaker 9: has traversed all of the side streets that would approach
Speaker 9: the main streets and making you know, Karen's way back
Speaker 9: to Meadows Lane. And I've been told there's hundreds of
Speaker 9: ring cameras and that the investigators never ever looked at
Speaker 9: those ring cameras, or if they did, there was no
Speaker 9: information forthcoming. And I I gotta believe that I've been told,
Speaker 9: and I don't have receipts, that there is a ring
Speaker 9: camera that shows that Fort Edge around two thirty to
Speaker 9: three in the morning, and I've been told that's that's
Speaker 9: pending that may come out in the sequel if there
Speaker 9: is a second trial, or maybe the Feds will bring
Speaker 9: that forward if they come in.
Speaker 8: But I've been.
Speaker 9: Told as a ring camera that shows the fort Edge,
Speaker 9: which would be very very incriminating.
Speaker 2: Anything exculpatory, we ain't got it. Don't have it. If
Speaker 2: there's something that shows no Keith being dropped off and
Speaker 2: walking in the house, we don't have. If it's something
Speaker 2: incriminating him hit him, I hit him, I hit him,
Speaker 2: hit him anyway, Thank you for that, Peter, Mark. Uh
Speaker 2: this is your question right here. Mark. Is it possible
Speaker 2: to foil what other juris Fanning was in charge of?
Speaker 2: I mean, you can boy of that information.
Speaker 7: You can, but then you know, welcome to the bureaucracy.
Speaker 7: It goes to a foil records access officer who acknowledges
Speaker 7: receipt of the request, and then they give you the
Speaker 7: standard we'll get to it soon and give you an update,
Speaker 7: which they may or may not do. Then they go
Speaker 7: down their little lists. Are their reasons not to share this?
Speaker 7: You know there were certain exceptions built in, maybe there aren't,
Speaker 7: and they just eventually respond and give you something, but
Speaker 7: of course it's heavily redacted and you get a piece
Speaker 7: of paper that's mostly colored black with maybe three lines
Speaker 7: on something. But you could. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 7: why that would be subject to non disclosure under FOIL.
Speaker 7: You're not asking for the jurors information. You're not asking
Speaker 7: for stuff that would be sensitive. You're asking, you know,
Speaker 7: about whether where a public employee was assigned at any
Speaker 7: given time. I guess you know, are there documents responsive
Speaker 7: to it? I don't know, but yeah, that's a request
Speaker 7: you should make. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have
Speaker 7: to disclose that if the records exist.
Speaker 2: Just there's no end to people trying to put their
Speaker 2: finger on this. There's no reason that that guy should
Speaker 2: be there, even at his rank. There's no reason he
Speaker 2: should be there interacting with the jury when he has
Speaker 2: colleagues that are witnesses. It's just if I can't believe
Speaker 2: that people like Kevin can't see this. It's so obvious
Speaker 2: every single thing they're trying to do to manipulate this
Speaker 2: that they can do, including you know what's going to
Speaker 2: come up about these that Aiden reported this week about
Speaker 2: those two jurors getting bounced that appeared to be pro
Speaker 2: Karen Reader appear to be disgusted with practice testimony, and
Speaker 2: then you have this guy, potentially we got to get
Speaker 2: rid of her. It's they just don't have any shame
Speaker 2: and don't realize that intelligent people see this game. We're
Speaker 2: not You're not fooling us. I know you might think so,
Speaker 2: you might think we're really dumb, and there are some
Speaker 2: of the bull but that's not us.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I don't know what he did or didn't do, but
Speaker 7: I can certainly agree with you at a minimum that
Speaker 7: a guy who is the supervisor of the Norfolk County
Speaker 7: DA's Office State Police contingent their homicide unit, who directly
Speaker 7: supervises Tully, Buchanic and Procter, is copied on some of
Speaker 7: the text messages and all of that. I mean, I
Speaker 7: said this last night somewhere else. The only time that
Speaker 7: he should ever be anywhere near the jury is if
Speaker 7: he's under oath in the box answering questions from the lawyers.
Speaker 7: Other than that, he has no business being near anyone
Speaker 7: in that case. It just there's no legitimate reason for
Speaker 7: him to be there other than being a witness. Having
Speaker 7: said that, I don't know what he did or didn't do.
Speaker 7: I don't know, but the report itself was disturbing for sure, been.
Speaker 8: For one second here, sir, Yes, I.
Speaker 9: Don't know how familiar both of you gentlemen are with
Speaker 9: the Sandra Birchmore case.
Speaker 7: Not that.
Speaker 9: Okay, so I'm just gonna touch on it. But the
Speaker 9: Sandra Birchmore case goes directly to again, more police corruption,
Speaker 9: and it happened to be in the town of Stoughton.
Speaker 8: There were several police officers in.
Speaker 9: The town of Stoughton, which is adjacent to Canton, that
Speaker 9: had a inappropriate relationship with a young girl, took advantage
Speaker 9: of her, and allegedly one of the officers fathered a
Speaker 9: child or was going to father a child, got her pregnant,
Speaker 9: and is now the suspect of an investigation that was ruled.
Speaker 9: And here's the story. The investigation was ruled a suicide,
Speaker 9: and it was investigated by the Canton Police in Canton
Speaker 9: because that's where her apartment was. And I was told
Speaker 9: by several law enforcement officers that there's no way that
Speaker 9: that was a suicide. And my understanding now is that
Speaker 9: it went to the it's been grabbed and put into
Speaker 9: the Attorney General's hands from the DA's office, and Fanning
Speaker 9: was a lead investigator.
Speaker 8: I guess in it and it's now been ruled a homicide.
Speaker 8: Have you guys been I did than just now.
Speaker 2: I did not know that. I only knew that doctor
Speaker 2: Boden said that it was a homicide. I did not
Speaker 2: know it's been ruled a homicide. That is huge, huge news.
Speaker 2: Wow for Sandra Birschmore right, thank you.
Speaker 9: And and there could be the nexus, gentleman, between or
Speaker 9: why there may have been a federal investigation and why
Speaker 9: attaps possibly going through Morrissey's office in advance of the
Speaker 9: read case. And there was also another case that went
Speaker 9: before this mark It was Senator Brian Joyce. Brian Joyce
Speaker 9: was all jam up with extortion and money laundering and.
Speaker 8: Racketeering, I think, and he.
Speaker 9: Suspiciously died I guess in a suicide act himself.
Speaker 8: And never went to trial.
Speaker 9: I mean, it just seems like the spokes of the
Speaker 9: wheel radiate out, but they all connected the same tire.
Speaker 8: Why would Fanning, just question, why would Fanning, who was
Speaker 8: a Stolton police officer for a number of years, became
Speaker 8: a state trooper and assigned to the death investigation where
Speaker 8: the Stolton police could be prime sust.
Speaker 2: Should be prime suspects.
Speaker 7: Why would the state police, uh be investigating a journalist
Speaker 7: in a case where the DA recuse themselves and where
Speaker 7: two state troopers are alleged victims, and yet they're still
Speaker 7: investigating the case and trying to interview witnesses. It makes
Speaker 7: no sense. But you know, again, the way the state Police,
Speaker 7: the Norfolk Branch, if you will, of the DA's office
Speaker 7: and the state Police, the way they do things, it's Chinatown.
Speaker 2: It's just I don't believe in ethics, how we ethics, how.
Speaker 7: We do it. And you know, to your point earlier,
Speaker 7: it's kind of the same thing that judge said when
Speaker 7: they were fighting over the verdict sheet. If you recalled
Speaker 7: say this is how we do it in Massachusetts, it's
Speaker 7: just forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. Don't come in here
Speaker 7: and tell us you know how we do things. It's
Speaker 7: how we do it. And that's not good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's very it's uh. It's just they really
Speaker 2: just need to blow that up because you just have
Speaker 2: to have ethics. I mean, you can't even I've been
Speaker 2: in government, you know for thirty years. You can't even
Speaker 2: give your your boss uh over a ten dollars Christmas gift.
Speaker 2: I mean, just because of appearances. And now these cops
Speaker 2: are donating to Morrissey's uh, you know, to Morrisey's a
Speaker 2: reelection campaign. I mean it's.
Speaker 7: Prosecuted, but it's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I give yeah, my boss money for his reelection.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's horrible, and that is just that just
Speaker 7: is such a red flag for either corruption or the
Speaker 7: appearance of corruption that you're literally stuffing money, even small amounts,
Speaker 7: into the pockets of your boss, who essentially runs on
Speaker 7: a posed anyway, it's a loyalty test. It's I need
Speaker 7: to know you're with me, you know, are you kicking up,
Speaker 7: are you on the team. It's just there's no need
Speaker 7: for that. And lawyers should not be donating to their
Speaker 7: public boss. That's crazy. And the same with the state
Speaker 7: police guys. And does that influence Marrissey about why he
Speaker 7: makes ridiculous public statements about at the time Proctor didn't
Speaker 7: know anyone, or these are all good people and all
Speaker 7: these other ridiculous things that he says. You can't help
Speaker 7: but wonder with how close are they and whether it's
Speaker 7: politically personally and it's just one big apparent cesspool. The
Speaker 7: way people look at it and the contributions just make
Speaker 7: that worse.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well I've had I've had two people all in
Speaker 9: with this, or at least I'll add this. Yeah, I've
Speaker 9: had two people come to me in the last couple
Speaker 9: of weeks from two different venues that said they bumped
Speaker 9: into uh Da Morrissey and one one of the uh
Speaker 9: contacts was made I guess with Tully as well at
Speaker 9: a bar and uh they brought up Tully and Morrissey
Speaker 9: brought up the conversation about what do you think about
Speaker 9: the Karen Reid trial?
Speaker 8: And where are you from? What county?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 9: I don't live in Norfolk County. Oh well, what do
Speaker 9: you think you'd be a good source to sound from.
Speaker 9: I think she's innocent. Oh well, no, she's guilty. Can
Speaker 9: I buy you a drink? It gets better, it gets better.
Speaker 9: Supposedly recently a conversation took place and he indicated Morrissey
Speaker 9: that same type of sounding, you know.
Speaker 8: A little cursory. Hi, where are you from?
Speaker 9: Bump buh buy? You must know who I am. What
Speaker 9: do you think about the case? Well, she's innocent? Really no,
Speaker 9: she he's guilty. And you'll see, Yeah, he didn't know
Speaker 9: who these people were. I mean, this was just just
Speaker 9: street talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just a They're dishonest, uh, dishonest people and
Speaker 2: people we just you just understand the human condition. You
Speaker 2: know that people have the ability to frame someone and
Speaker 2: see them go to jail and sleep like a baby.
Speaker 7: Everything they do again breeds corruption. I mean when you
Speaker 7: have a da is basically if he wants to be
Speaker 7: maybe not now with this case, but you get the point,
Speaker 7: DA for life and can sit up there on the
Speaker 7: big chair, run unopposed, but still runs his campaign, still
Speaker 7: collects money, makes bank, gives it to other candidates because
Speaker 7: he doesn't need it, and does all these things, and
Speaker 7: you just become you know, you just become lazy. You
Speaker 7: become air again, and you become in certain cases corrupt,
Speaker 7: and you do what you want. You think you can
Speaker 7: get away with anything, and you know, right down to
Speaker 7: just having conversations in bars, telling people and buying them
Speaker 7: drinks and collecting money from subordinates and just whatever. We'll
Speaker 7: just keep going and no one's ever going to challenge me.
Speaker 7: And I'm never going to be really accountable to the voters.
Speaker 7: I mean not practically. I mean, let's let's I mean
Speaker 7: be honest. He is politically a hacks hack right. I
Speaker 7: mean he is the quintessential. Has he ever had a
Speaker 7: job that does not involve when's the last should say, ever,
Speaker 7: when's the last time he worked in you know, in
Speaker 7: the private sector. It's all politics, it's all you know,
Speaker 7: the quinsy machine or whatever it is. And he's a
Speaker 7: delegate for all the national I mean, it's all politics.
Speaker 7: And when it's when the DA's office is all about politics,
Speaker 7: that's not a good sign because it's it ought to
Speaker 7: be about justice.
Speaker 2: I think we'll end it there, gentlemen. I can't thank
Speaker 2: you enough for your time, Peter meeting you and now
Speaker 2: Mark meeting you, and it was an honor to have
Speaker 2: you on calling all beings TCU, and I look forward
Speaker 2: to inviting you both back again. So thank you.
Speaker 8: I appreciate it. It was great.
Speaker 9: I met Mark a couple of weeks ago, up and
Speaker 9: down ded him when he came up with Melanie, and
Speaker 9: it was.
Speaker 8: Great to see him. Great to meet him.
Speaker 9: And I would like to just offer I'd like to
Speaker 9: exchange off offline here at some point through either DJ
Speaker 9: or whatever, just a way to communicate with everybody that
Speaker 9: was at the roundtable tonight via text or email.
Speaker 8: Or something, so we'll leave it at that request.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can send you Mark, I've got yours, and
Speaker 2: I can send Peter. I can share that. I don't
Speaker 2: have Nurse Kim nor Mike, but I'm sure they would
Speaker 2: share it with you. But I can definitely get you Mark,
Speaker 2: and on behalf of all of calling, all beings, all
Speaker 2: the people in the chat and everybody. We say thank
Speaker 2: you very much. We do all right, Take care guys.
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