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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
Speaker 1: world you are listening from, I'm Nick Hunter and this
Speaker 1: is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Jen is our guest tonight,
Speaker 1: calling from North Carolina, and Jen will be starting with
Speaker 1: her UFO sightings, and then she will be sharing a
Speaker 1: tragic account of a sister and the possible use of
Speaker 1: black magic over her and the events that led to
Speaker 1: her death. Jen is up next. If you enjoy listening
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Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. Thank you, Thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us today. And you're calling from North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 1: Wonderful. Okay, Now, Jen, you have some UFO and paranormal
Speaker 1: experiences to share with us. Would you like start the beginning.
Speaker 2: Please, yes, I'll start. Let's the us post sighting. I've
Speaker 2: had two actually, and they happened in the same area,
Speaker 2: which was it was a highway that I used to
Speaker 2: drive because my fiance worked out in the low community.
Speaker 2: In this community, right after ten pm, you would barely
Speaker 2: see any cars, like you wouldn't see anything in the highway.
Speaker 2: It would be pitch blacks. And I was just driving
Speaker 2: down the road and all I saw was a big
Speaker 2: ball of light coming by the side of the highway.
Speaker 2: And this fall of light was almost at the same
Speaker 2: speed of my car, and I just looked at it,
Speaker 2: but I was not trying to look at it because
Speaker 2: I was still driving and I didn't want to get
Speaker 2: too distracted. I thought it was an airplane or a
Speaker 2: helicopter or something, but it was just odd because it
Speaker 2: was so low, and I have never seen an airplane
Speaker 2: or other type of aircraft just fly that low. So
Speaker 2: there was like right above some trees. Because on the
Speaker 2: side of the highway all there is our tree. So
Speaker 2: I head to my fiancee job to pick him up
Speaker 2: and I tell him about it. By this time, it's
Speaker 2: already like eleven thirty pm. And we get back on
Speaker 2: that same highway because we have to get home. And
Speaker 2: when we get on it, I'm telling people about it,
Speaker 2: and out of the nowhere, that same ball of flight
Speaker 2: comes by like a the car and it's doing the
Speaker 2: same thing, like it's traveling. What's the car at the
Speaker 2: same speed. I tell him, look at it. Do you
Speaker 2: see that? Do you see what I'm saying? And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see that, And we were trying to record it,
Speaker 2: and as soon as he told me I'm a record,
Speaker 2: it was almost like it hurt us or something, because
Speaker 2: it just like disappearing, like all you saw it was
Speaker 2: just red light, like just go up and then it
Speaker 2: was just gone. Like we didn't see it moving forward
Speaker 2: or backwards. It was like it just disappeared like in dinner.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, did you see that?
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, I saw that too, And
Speaker 2: we were kind of laughing about it because we just
Speaker 2: thought we were seeing things or I don't know, we
Speaker 2: were not really understanding what we were seeing. So a
Speaker 2: couple of months went by and the same thing happened
Speaker 2: a different nights. We saw that same type of light,
Speaker 2: and this time it was a smaller light in the
Speaker 2: middle and several other circular lights around it, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't like big as an airplane, but it wasn't as
Speaker 2: small as a helicopter, and the shape was weird. So
Speaker 2: I told him the same thing. This time. He was
Speaker 2: in the car already and we were heading back home,
Speaker 2: and it was the same time, like eleven thirty, and
Speaker 2: I told him, look, it's that the same thing we
Speaker 2: saw and he's like, no, that's something different, but that's matter.
Speaker 2: That's not hell cafter, that's my airplane. I was like,
Speaker 2: that doesn't look like an airplane. It sort of did
Speaker 2: the same thing, like it just covered almost over some
Speaker 2: trees as we were driving by, and then it moved
Speaker 2: forward with like to see that the car was driving,
Speaker 2: and then it just disappeared like it was like it
Speaker 2: went up and just disappears like you don't see nothing else.
Speaker 2: And it was just weird, like the feeling inside the
Speaker 2: car was here, like the radio was like buzzing a
Speaker 2: little bit, like if the signal was going in and out.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so those decidings or I don't know what
Speaker 2: they were, but those two days were really weird.
Speaker 1: So the first time you saw the border light that
Speaker 1: also was running parallel with your car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was side by side, like it was
Speaker 2: like it was keeping up with the car almost.
Speaker 1: How far away from your car would you said it was?
Speaker 1: Was it on the passionate side or the driver's side?
Speaker 2: So I was driving, it was on the passenger side.
Speaker 1: And how far would you would you have said it
Speaker 1: was from your car?
Speaker 2: It wasn't that far because the highway is just one
Speaker 2: long road basically, and on the side of this highways streets,
Speaker 2: So the trees from the highway are not that far
Speaker 2: obb really like ten fifteen twenty feet.
Speaker 1: Like it's not not that far okay, So from the
Speaker 1: from the trees and the road would there have been
Speaker 1: is there that grass in between Tweina area?
Speaker 2: No, it's just like the railings of the highway the
Speaker 2: trees and delicate in the road.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so yeah it was. It was pretty
Speaker 1: close then. And the second time that night you saw it,
Speaker 1: it behaved the same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was hovered, like it was like keeping
Speaker 2: up with the car. But like saying like almost got
Speaker 2: a steel paste because you didn't see it move, but
Speaker 2: it was keeping up with the car, and it.
Speaker 1: Was both on the same stretch as the highway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on the same stretch as a highway,
Speaker 2: because it was it just happened in that highway when
Speaker 2: we were heading to his job and when we were
Speaker 2: coming back, like it, those were the only two times
Speaker 2: people saw the same thing at the same time, and
Speaker 2: you just couldn't believe what we were seeing.
Speaker 1: And this is a route you travel quite often.
Speaker 2: Well, it was only for his job, so now he
Speaker 2: doesn't work there anymore, so we don't really go there
Speaker 2: as often as he used to. But when he did, yeah,
Speaker 2: we would go, you know, all week, okay, and.
Speaker 1: Then along that route is is it just predominantly trees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just trees and then exits to the roads.
Speaker 2: But the towns surrounding that highway are very rural, so
Speaker 2: even when you get off of the highway, it's still
Speaker 2: pitched black, like there's fairly any streetlights or anything, so
Speaker 2: very raw.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there wouldn't be many buildings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like there aren't really many buildings, and.
Speaker 1: This is in North Carolina. Yeah, and you said there
Speaker 1: was a funny atmosphere in the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you felt you felt weird, like you felt
Speaker 2: something weird, like when you looked at it, you knew
Speaker 2: it wasn't an airplane. You to sell the weird energy
Speaker 2: or something. Because the radio started buzzing, and we usually
Speaker 2: just played the radio, and it started buzzing. When all
Speaker 2: this stuff was happening, we were looking at this and
Speaker 2: we kept saying, do you see that? And we were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see that, and then that's when the radio would
Speaker 2: start buzzing and out of slight, what's going on?
Speaker 1: What color would the balls a light?
Speaker 2: Red? It was a red and yellow tint, and the
Speaker 2: color of you really couldn't tell that there was even
Speaker 2: a color on it. That was the thing that you
Speaker 2: would mainly see the light the balls a light, but
Speaker 2: you would see like if they.
Speaker 1: Were on something, and was the light illuminating any part
Speaker 1: of your car or the surrounding area of the trees,
Speaker 1: I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Tell because the trees were up high, like I didn't
Speaker 2: on the dinner, but at the top of the trees.
Speaker 2: So we were trying to look what that light was
Speaker 2: attached to.
Speaker 1: Of course, you're trying to watch. You're trying to watch
Speaker 1: where you're going as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to drive and that crack. So it's
Speaker 2: like we were we were just in shocked because it
Speaker 2: did the same thing. Both of the times we saw
Speaker 2: it kind of hubbed and then it just disappeared.
Speaker 1: And then the third time you saw it, it looked
Speaker 1: a little bit different. Yeah, it had.
Speaker 2: The first time we saw just one light that the
Speaker 2: second time we saw one light in the middle and
Speaker 2: tiny lights around it.
Speaker 1: But the third time you saw it didn't follow the car.
Speaker 2: It just stayed there. It just stayed there, like we
Speaker 2: just saw it from a distance. Literally, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: is that the same thing? And we just saw it,
Speaker 2: and as soon as we said, is that's the same thing,
Speaker 2: And we always try to record it, take picture, Like
Speaker 2: and have you ever.
Speaker 1: Heard of any other reports in that area of something
Speaker 1: very similar?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know, other people and Facebook groups or
Speaker 2: things like that from local areas, or you know, just
Speaker 2: friends or neighbors talk about saying things out in the country.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't live out in the rural community.
Speaker 2: I live in I guess the city. So where I
Speaker 2: live there are buildings and a lot of street lights
Speaker 2: and everything. So it was just when we went out
Speaker 2: there that I would see everything page black at night
Speaker 2: because you know, the town was so small, there was
Speaker 2: barely people out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you certainly see some strange things in the rural communities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was that's why it was so weird
Speaker 2: because I had never seen that, Like where I lived
Speaker 2: out in the city, I have never seen something like that.
Speaker 1: And did it scare you all?
Speaker 2: It was an eerie feeling like it was kind of
Speaker 2: scary because you couldn't tell what it was in the
Speaker 2: part that kind of like made me feel weird was
Speaker 2: the fact that it was keeping up with the car
Speaker 2: side my side.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had I've had a few guests on
Speaker 1: in the past. That report reported some very you know,
Speaker 1: things very similar, whether whether it's the light has been
Speaker 1: following them or it's been driving up the side of them.
Speaker 1: So they seem to be whatever, you know, whatever these
Speaker 1: balls are, Like, are they seem very interested in people
Speaker 1: driving up and down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's almost like they can hear you. That
Speaker 2: was the part that would freak it out because every
Speaker 2: time we try to record it or take a picture
Speaker 2: and we'd try to get our phone on the camera,
Speaker 2: it would.
Speaker 1: Disappear, would disappear.
Speaker 2: We would be like, where did it go? And it
Speaker 2: was gone. You didn't see the light on.
Speaker 1: One doesn't want to be filmed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was the part I was like, that's
Speaker 2: not an airplane or a helicopter. That's something weird because
Speaker 2: it's like it hurt us.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wouldn't think a helicopter a plane would be
Speaker 1: flying flying that low so close to the freeway and
Speaker 1: especially trees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was literally above the trees and it
Speaker 2: was just there like keeping up with the car. And
Speaker 2: we both saw it because I kept asking my fiance
Speaker 2: and like do you see that? And she say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see it, Like I mean, it looked a sellous.
Speaker 1: It's always good to have someone to witness it with.
Speaker 2: You, yeah, because people don't believe you, like I don't
Speaker 2: think you're like kind of something else. There's no I
Speaker 2: know his father.
Speaker 1: It's usually the way, you know, if they haven't seen
Speaker 1: even themselves, you know, it's hard for people to kind
Speaker 1: of accept it, and especially if you haven't got video evidence,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what people want these days. They
Speaker 1: want pictures, they want video to believe you. But unfortunately
Speaker 1: it's just not the not the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the part that's scary because I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people see it seepings, and because you
Speaker 2: can't take a picture of it because they just appear,
Speaker 2: You're like, it's just stuck with that memory.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful, Jen. Would you like to move on to
Speaker 1: your paranormal experiences please?
Speaker 2: Yes. So one story I'd like to share with you
Speaker 2: is the one that was recent. So just like a
Speaker 2: brief history about me, I've it seems a lot of
Speaker 2: paranormals into my life. I can run from five years
Speaker 2: old until now as an adult, I'm twenty six. I'm
Speaker 2: going through twenty six and yeah, all of my life
Speaker 2: out seen. Have no real explanations about. This story that
Speaker 2: I'm going to share is about my sister. I grew
Speaker 2: up with my sister. We were three years apart, and
Speaker 2: it all started into thousand and nine. So in two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, my sister met a guy at a
Speaker 2: party that she went to. At the time, she was
Speaker 2: a teenager, she was in high school and she went
Speaker 2: with a group of friendstance party and she met this person.
Speaker 2: My mom was very upset that he went to this party.
Speaker 2: So when she got home, they were going to have
Speaker 2: a big fight, and my sister didn't want to argue
Speaker 2: with her. So instead of coming home, she decided to
Speaker 2: go with this guy that she met at this party
Speaker 2: because I guess she just felt like it was better
Speaker 2: to do that than to argue with my mom. So
Speaker 2: she left with this guy and we were looking for her.
Speaker 2: We called the Belief because you couldn't find her. And
Speaker 2: like a couple of days later, she called us and
Speaker 2: came back home, said, Hey, I'm with my boyfriend. Don't worry,
Speaker 2: I'm going to come home. I'll be I'm fine. So
Speaker 2: my mom and my dad, you know, they felt fun
Speaker 2: belief because she checked up on that with us, and
Speaker 2: we were just happy to have her back from her.
Speaker 2: So she came back home and she said that she
Speaker 2: was with her boyfriend, which at the time was kind
Speaker 2: of weird to me because she would always tell me everything,
Speaker 2: and she never told me about a boyfriend. So that's
Speaker 2: why I knew something weird was going on over me.
Speaker 2: And that's when I told her. You know, after she
Speaker 2: came and settled in and my parents were around, I
Speaker 2: asked him, I'm like, what boyfriend are you talking about,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't know he had a boyfriend, and she
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he's not really my boyfriend. Like, I
Speaker 2: think he's going to be my boyfriend, but I'm met
Speaker 2: him at this party and yeah, we just started talking.
Speaker 2: So he tells me he likes me. I don't really
Speaker 2: like him like that, but you know, I'm talking to him.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, whatever. You know, that was
Speaker 2: her thing. You know, she likes to hanging out with friends,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't weird for her to say that to
Speaker 2: So a little bit of light beats go by and
Speaker 2: she tells my mom that this boyfriend wants to come
Speaker 2: over to the house because he wants to ask their
Speaker 2: permission to you know, start visiting her and you know,
Speaker 2: they can go on base and things like that. So
Speaker 2: my mom was like, okay, and you can tell him
Speaker 2: to come over. He brings his mom with him and
Speaker 2: his older brother and they comes with him, supposedly, you know,
Speaker 2: to vouch for him, to say that he's a good person.
Speaker 2: Instead it better and at the time, my sister was sixteen,
Speaker 2: and he said and his family said that he was eighteen,
Speaker 2: So you know, my parents were like, okay, he's not
Speaker 2: that much older, right, it's aren't they're you know, they
Speaker 2: rather them date with them knowing instead of her like
Speaker 2: running off them. So months went by and you know,
Speaker 2: they were dating. He would come over the house and
Speaker 2: things just doesn't get a little weird, started to get
Speaker 2: manipulard care he started to really control her life. She
Speaker 2: was still in high school and he just started like
Speaker 2: really taking people over her, like she just became a
Speaker 2: different person. And then she got pregnant. She decided to
Speaker 2: run away with him again, and she ran away with him,
Speaker 2: but this time she came back a couple of days
Speaker 2: later because she called my mom crying, saying that she
Speaker 2: didn't feel good, that something bad happened to her, that
Speaker 2: she didn't know what was happening to her, that she
Speaker 2: just didn't feel good, and that she needed to come
Speaker 2: back home. So we came in and take her up,
Speaker 2: and she didn't really tell us what happened, but she
Speaker 2: just said she didn't feel good. So later on a
Speaker 2: couple of years later, we found out that she had
Speaker 2: lost the baby that night. And the reason why she
Speaker 2: lost that baby was because this guy that she met
Speaker 2: placed a hex on her the night that she lost
Speaker 2: his baby. His family helped him. His family helped create
Speaker 2: some text, some concoction, and they put it in the
Speaker 2: food that they cooked to her, and when she ate
Speaker 2: that food, she lost the child. And this baby was
Speaker 2: going to be his first son. And when she lost
Speaker 2: his baby, she was telling him like, you know, what's
Speaker 2: going on with her body, like she contain and you know,
Speaker 2: she's not feeling good. And he is very nonchalant about it.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seek medical attention. He just you know, tells
Speaker 2: us to you know, get over it. It's normal, it's
Speaker 2: just your regular period. You're fine. But no, like from
Speaker 2: that day on is when a demon was basically attached
Speaker 2: to her, and that demon was placed by him because
Speaker 2: the type of work that they did on her, or
Speaker 2: which craft they did on her, was where they created
Speaker 2: some sort of doll, like I guess, like a little doll,
Speaker 2: and they buried it in a different country in a graveyard.
Speaker 2: And what this would make her do is fall madly
Speaker 2: in love with him and to do anything that he said,
Speaker 2: like just becomes submissive to do anything that he said.
Speaker 2: And she was not that type of person. She was
Speaker 2: not the type of person that would let some bon
Speaker 2: dis her or treat her in a type of way
Speaker 2: that wasn't brain. And he did all of that, He
Speaker 2: treated her really that they had two kids, you know,
Speaker 2: years went by and eventually there were some problems that
Speaker 2: have and he have to get spent to Mexico. When
Speaker 2: he was sent to Mexico, he was still able to
Speaker 2: control learn. He would still after all her money. He
Speaker 2: would still just control her life, like she would have
Speaker 2: to take him to the groceres, take him, take him
Speaker 2: on the phone. She would have to call him. She
Speaker 2: would go to the social when she would go to
Speaker 2: the grocery store, and he would have to be in
Speaker 2: the phone to listen for shopping and be in video call.
Speaker 2: Because he was just that controlling, like he didn't want
Speaker 2: her to talk to anybody, not even us, her family,
Speaker 2: her parents, nobody. And he got this way because we
Speaker 2: would always tell her to leave him. We would always
Speaker 2: tell her like why are you with him? Why do
Speaker 2: you let him treat you that way? Like it's not right.
Speaker 2: He was physically abusive. He he was abusive towards her,
Speaker 2: towards their kids, and she could just never leave him,
Speaker 2: like it was almost like she was crazy about him.
Speaker 2: By crazy innocent that she was literally like losing her mind.
Speaker 2: And two thousand and one twenty one came about, which
Speaker 2: was last year, and that's when he comes in her
Speaker 2: to go visit him, to leave here and to go
Speaker 2: to Mexico, a bout herself to not take the kids
Speaker 2: because he said COVID and he didn't want the kids
Speaker 2: to get sick. So he told her that she needed
Speaker 2: to go, and she didn't really want to go, but
Speaker 2: she had no choice, right. He gave her some sort
Speaker 2: of old tomato that if she didn't go, something was
Speaker 2: going to happen. What that something was, we don't know,
Speaker 2: because she never told us. We just assumed because she
Speaker 2: would never leave her kids or anything. She would take
Speaker 2: her kids everywhere she went. And for her to go
Speaker 2: to another country and visit their dad, like, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: she take them? And yeah, COVID was happening at the time,
Speaker 2: but it was getting to the point where it was
Speaker 2: manageable almost, and you know, people were still very precautious.
Speaker 2: And she was a nurse, so as a nerd, she know,
Speaker 2: she knew the precautions she had to take, and she
Speaker 2: was a very precautious person. Like she was never sick.
Speaker 2: She was just not that type of person. She had
Speaker 2: a full time job, she was at this office, she
Speaker 2: had a life outside of him. He just controlled it.
Speaker 2: Still because he wouldn't know the time she would go
Speaker 2: on lunch. He would call her in specific time so
Speaker 2: that she wouldn't communicate with co workers. He would call
Speaker 2: her all throughout the day so she wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to communicate with us, and if she didn't answer him,
Speaker 2: it would be a whole other side of insults of
Speaker 2: him calling her whatever he wants, and it was just
Speaker 2: a constant thing and he would just stay, Just block him,
Speaker 2: change her number, like, don't listen to him. And it
Speaker 2: was almost like she physically couldn't, so she went by herself.
Speaker 2: And that's when things turn really dark. The day that
Speaker 2: she told my mom that she's going, she told her
Speaker 2: like a week before she was going to leave, because
Speaker 2: she knew that we were going to be opposed to
Speaker 2: her going by herself. And the day that she told her,
Speaker 2: she's sort of like, Hey, I'm going to leave my
Speaker 2: skis with you because you're the person I trust, and
Speaker 2: whatever you do or whatever happens to you, don't let
Speaker 2: my kids go with their dad, and don't let my
Speaker 2: kids go with anybody else. They need to stay with
Speaker 2: you and my dad. She avoided me that whole week
Speaker 2: that she was getting ready to leave because he knew
Speaker 2: I would have done anything I could to convince her
Speaker 2: to not leave. And the day that she left, she
Speaker 2: left early in the morning, like five am. She didn't
Speaker 2: even say goodbye to my mom to look at her,
Speaker 2: because it was like she couldn't she couldn't even say
Speaker 2: bye to my mom. She just left and said bye
Speaker 2: to her when she was getting ready to go in
Speaker 2: the car, and it was like we knew she was
Speaker 2: never going to come back, because you know, the moment
Speaker 2: my mom told her, well, the moment my sister told
Speaker 2: my mom, I'm going to go and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to take the kids. My mom says that she felt
Speaker 2: like death. That all she felt was that that's something
Speaker 2: bad was going to happen. And she told her, I
Speaker 2: don't want you to go because something horrible, what's going
Speaker 2: to happen. I don't know what's gonna happen, but something
Speaker 2: sad it's going to happen. And I know how that
Speaker 2: man is. That we've seen how angry he could get.
Speaker 2: You would see how he would treat her, and we
Speaker 2: just we just didn't trust him, and her being with
Speaker 2: him in the country by herself was very scary and
Speaker 2: that's when my mom didn't want her to go. She
Speaker 2: was like, no, it's fine, I'll be back, but you know,
Speaker 2: just in case I don't come back, I want you
Speaker 2: to have like take care of my kids. I want
Speaker 2: you to be the one responsible for them. I don't
Speaker 2: want nobody else.
Speaker 3: So she left.
Speaker 2: The day she got there, she called him, told her
Speaker 2: she got there, that everything was fine, that she was
Speaker 2: already with him, and they were getting very close to
Speaker 2: the hotel and they met in an island. Didn't meet
Speaker 2: in the exact place that he told us she lived at.
Speaker 2: He traveled to this island to meet her there, and
Speaker 2: she landed. She told my mom she was settled in.
Speaker 2: A couple of days went by, and that's when he know.
Speaker 2: That's the last day that she spoke to my mom.
Speaker 2: Three days after she got there, she called her my
Speaker 2: mom early in the morning and she said, hey, please
Speaker 2: send four hundred dollars. I'm really, really sick and it's
Speaker 2: a life or death situation. She sent the money and
Speaker 2: then it was him calling her, like my mom asked her,
Speaker 2: like what's going on, Like what did he need on
Speaker 2: me for? And she that I'm sick. I don't know
Speaker 2: what's wrong. I just feel really sick. I need to
Speaker 2: go to a doctor, and they're charging a lot of money.
Speaker 2: And my mom was like, okay, so she sent the money.
Speaker 2: And the very next day is when he started calling
Speaker 2: my mom with my sister's son. So you would see
Speaker 2: my sister's number, but it would be him on the
Speaker 2: other line, and he would start asking her for more money, saying, Oh,
Speaker 2: she's getting worse, she's getting work sick. We're gonna have
Speaker 2: to came to the hospital. Like I had to find
Speaker 2: a doctor that was a worker here in the hotel.
Speaker 2: The hotel had a doctor here, and he came to
Speaker 2: the room and she said that she has COVID, that
Speaker 2: she needs an x lace. When my mom talked to
Speaker 2: the supposed doctor and this doctor told her, Yeah, your
Speaker 2: daughter's really sick. She's not getting well. We're getting her
Speaker 2: her I do fluid because she can't keep anything down.
Speaker 2: And if you really love your daughter, then you're going
Speaker 2: to spend two thousand dollars right now, You're going to
Speaker 2: spend one thousand dollars the next race. Every day, it
Speaker 2: was a constant amount of money they would request, and
Speaker 2: when it got to a point that a moment it's
Speaker 2: like I don't have any money, I don't have nothing
Speaker 2: else to cohib you, like you're telling me this and that,
Speaker 2: but I don't see any pictures of my daughter and videos.
Speaker 2: I don't needed to hear her voice. I don't talk
Speaker 2: to her nothing. And they would say, well, it's because
Speaker 2: she can't talk, she said, so it was always excuses.
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Speaker 2: But as the callers went on, we try to start
Speaker 2: investigating on our own, on ouron because you're not from
Speaker 2: that country. We don't know anybody from that country, and
Speaker 2: we try to contact the authorities, and the authorities didn't
Speaker 2: want to do anything because they said that she wasn't
Speaker 2: a citizen from that country. The authorities here didn't want
Speaker 2: to do anything because they said she traveled willingly over
Speaker 2: there and that she was with her husband. So while
Speaker 2: are we worried, So it was constant people we try
Speaker 2: to call and talk to to help us to nobody there,
Speaker 2: and it was all the same excuse, she's with her husband,
Speaker 2: she's fine, she's with her husband. He can't right of
Speaker 2: her health and she's stay and he can decide what
Speaker 2: to do, it's better, et cetera. So we would ask
Speaker 2: him for a receipt from medication for doctor's appointments. He
Speaker 2: said they didn't have receipt there which was a lie.
Speaker 2: So we talked. My mom talked to this doctor that
Speaker 2: supposedly came to the hotel room to visit her, and
Speaker 2: he tells her, Yeah, you love your daughter, You're gonna
Speaker 2: spend this money. I know you guys have cars. I
Speaker 2: know you guys have a business. You can sell it.
Speaker 2: You know you can sell it. You can go to
Speaker 2: the bank and ask for money. And it was always
Speaker 2: a constant, if you love your daughter, you're gonna spend money.
Speaker 2: So at that point we felt like it was a kidnapping,
Speaker 2: and my mom even told him told her husband, she said,
Speaker 2: this sounds like a kidnapping. This feels very fishy to me.
Speaker 2: This feels very weird. And he was like, how could
Speaker 2: you think that. I'm that's my wife, Like I would
Speaker 2: never hurt her. That's the mother of my children. I
Speaker 2: love her, et cetera, et cetera. He would tell her
Speaker 2: weird things throughout the day. He would constantly call her too.
Speaker 2: He would start calling her every hour, every thirty minutes
Speaker 2: and all day long, from eight am until one, two,
Speaker 2: three more. But you just had to turn the phone
Speaker 2: off the block and because he would call constantly, and
Speaker 2: then he would start saying, you need to start praying
Speaker 2: at three am, you need to start praying at two
Speaker 2: and am, you need to fast, you don't need to
Speaker 2: eat his stace, like just some weird stuff, and nothing
Speaker 2: was making sense. And at that point her employer got
Speaker 2: worried because she was supposed to come back at a
Speaker 2: certain date. And then I start telling them what's going on,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's doctors and nurses and stuff, and
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah that. They wouldn't directly tell me that's
Speaker 2: not COVID, but they would always say that's weird, like
Speaker 2: that that's not normal for that to happen, or that's
Speaker 2: that's something common that happens with that. So, like two
Speaker 2: weeks went by. One day you just asked my mom
Speaker 2: her husband, do you what would you do if your
Speaker 2: daughter died? Or what would you do if I told
Speaker 2: you your daughter does And my mom said, what do
Speaker 2: you mean? Like what type of question is that? Like
Speaker 2: why are you asking me that? And he was like, well,
Speaker 2: I just want to know, like what would you think?
Speaker 2: So like, what would you say if I told you
Speaker 2: your daughter died? And she said, well, I would blame you.
Speaker 2: I would think that you did something to her because
Speaker 2: you were the last person that she was with, and
Speaker 2: you were the person that she went to go seek.
Speaker 2: And he was like, you always think that about me.
Speaker 2: I would never hurt her and all this stuff. And
Speaker 2: then like three days later after that he called her
Speaker 2: and told her that she died. Before that day that
Speaker 2: it called hers and told us that she died. I
Speaker 2: got to see her through video camera. They called me
Speaker 2: through the application. Watched that and that was the only
Speaker 2: form of communication that wanted to you to watch that
Speaker 2: in a video. Call me one day just randomly and
Speaker 2: they said, this is the doctor that's with her. She's
Speaker 2: in the hospital. But the way that the video started
Speaker 2: was weird because this doctor was walking outside because he
Speaker 2: had the camera angle faced up. It was facing him,
Speaker 2: but it was based up as he was walking. And
Speaker 2: I did she discussed, and I just had a loud
Speaker 2: noise of a door and then got dark and then
Speaker 2: it just got really burnt. And that's when I saw
Speaker 2: my sister on this hospital. Then I saw two nurses
Speaker 2: that were around her, and this doctor just put the
Speaker 2: camera on on towards her, facing her, and he would like,
Speaker 2: talk to your sister. You got five minutes. And I
Speaker 2: talked to her, and I was like asked, trying to
Speaker 2: ask her things like are you okay? Are you in
Speaker 2: the hospital, are you you're gonna be safe? And she
Speaker 2: she looked at me in the camera like she turned
Speaker 2: her head when she heard my voice, but her eyes
Speaker 2: were like really big and glazed, and she was just shaking,
Speaker 2: like her head was just shaking from side to side.
Speaker 2: She saying no. And I will just keep trying to
Speaker 2: tell her, you know you're gonna be okay, You're you're
Speaker 2: fig you need to trust and they say you got COVID,
Speaker 2: and she just kept shaking her head no, and she
Speaker 2: would just start mumbling his name a lot. She would
Speaker 2: just start mumbling and mumbling his name, and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get an answer on her. I would say, you're
Speaker 2: gonna be fine, are you okay? And she would just
Speaker 2: shake her head no. And then that's when the nurse
Speaker 2: came by beside her because she was trying to talk
Speaker 2: like she was moving her mouth like she was trying
Speaker 2: to say something. And that's when they're like, oh, she
Speaker 2: said she want to touch to her husband, and they
Speaker 2: just hanged up the call and that was the last
Speaker 2: time I saw her. And then he called us and
Speaker 2: said that he died through a way that I found
Speaker 2: out is that my mom called me crying hysterically and
Speaker 2: like I couldn't even understand what she was saying, and
Speaker 2: I just had a feeling in my gut that it
Speaker 2: was about her. So I called him and I'm saying,
Speaker 2: why is my mom crying?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 2: What's wrong? What happened? And he he just tells me,
Speaker 2: like all normal, your sisters didn't I already called your
Speaker 2: mom and dad and told them she died. And I
Speaker 2: was like why, But I just talked to the nurses
Speaker 2: and done this and they said she was farn I
Speaker 2: just got her. And he was like, well, she's dead.
Speaker 2: There's nothing else, and he kung up on me. Did
Speaker 2: they said he died? Like three hours later, he was
Speaker 2: calling us saying that we had had to see her
Speaker 2: body because she started to think if we wanted the
Speaker 2: body transported over here, we had to pay thirty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars and if not, they were going to send ashes
Speaker 2: because they weren't going to bury her over there, because
Speaker 2: that's what we wanted for her to get buried over there.
Speaker 2: And they said no, that she would get cremated, and
Speaker 2: he cremated her the very next day, and we kept
Speaker 2: telling him not to do it, and he didn't. We
Speaker 2: told him we wanted to see her body before she
Speaker 2: was cremated. He didn't do it. We told him we
Speaker 2: wanted to see her after she passed, and he video
Speaker 2: chatted us because all my family was there, my mom
Speaker 2: and dad, me and other people were there, and he
Speaker 2: video chatted us and he put a camera like inside
Speaker 2: a box that was glass, like her face was inside
Speaker 2: would look like a like a coffin, and they was
Speaker 2: glass over and all you saw was the little square
Speaker 2: for the faith, and you couldn't even tell that it
Speaker 2: was her face because he just moved the camera so
Speaker 2: fast and all you saw was like a bruised face.
Speaker 2: And then he started screaming saying that we couldn't record
Speaker 2: what he was showing us, and he ended the call,
Speaker 2: and that was him supposedly proving to us that it
Speaker 2: was her. They spent astras from California when they spent
Speaker 2: after us, like a week and a half later, and
Speaker 2: the death certificated was very weird and mentioned that she
Speaker 2: passed some heart attacks, so they told me it was COVID,
Speaker 2: And then later on we started digging more stuff because
Speaker 2: we knew it wasn't Covid. We knew something else happened
Speaker 2: because the authorities didn't want to help those who went
Speaker 2: into the spiritual world and started digging and through other
Speaker 2: forms of communication. So I contacted a cycic and a
Speaker 2: medium and people from different backgrounds, different lots of life
Speaker 2: and the spiritual world that they leave, and all of
Speaker 2: these different people told us sing things that it wasn't Covid, that.
Speaker 3: It was him.
Speaker 2: The day that he met her, he said, that's going
Speaker 2: to be my goldmine, because the day that he met her,
Speaker 2: he was already twenty three. He wasn't eighteen. We found
Speaker 2: out he was his age when she had her second
Speaker 2: child with him, and by the time she was already
Speaker 2: like twenty one. And when we found out was like,
Speaker 2: how are you this old? When you told us he
Speaker 2: was just old when we met her, and he just
Speaker 2: kind of brushed it off. But essentially what we found
Speaker 2: out is that this man has always had an evil
Speaker 2: plan for my sister. He never saw her as a partner,
Speaker 2: his wife as anything. It was always a transaction and
Speaker 2: the only reason he could control her, and the only
Speaker 2: way he could control her was by placing this hex
Speaker 2: on her. And this man also came from a family
Speaker 2: that did this stuff. He was raised by a man
Speaker 2: that could turn into an animal at night. He was
Speaker 2: just raised around the early dark things. And essentially he
Speaker 2: never really found out how she passed, but we were
Speaker 2: told that she didn't even pass a day that he
Speaker 2: told her she passed. She passed months later because what
Speaker 2: he did with her, remains are speculated that were sold,
Speaker 2: are speculated that he was involved in a ritualistic drug cartel,
Speaker 2: because there there are organizations that exist like that, and
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was a thing. I didn't
Speaker 2: know people weren't with cells and things like this to
Speaker 2: hurt people, and it really ruined people's lives. And that
Speaker 2: was I would always not really believe in witchcraft or
Speaker 2: really believe in the power it held. I would hear
Speaker 2: about growing up, you know, people's different stories, but I
Speaker 2: had never seen it first him and when I witnessed
Speaker 2: it was my sister. It's true, It is very true
Speaker 2: that that type of evilly since he ended her, and
Speaker 2: now his plan is to still end with anything that
Speaker 2: has any attachment of us, because he just has his
Speaker 2: hate in his heart that it almost doesn't stop, and
Speaker 2: he only works with evil things, with evil spears, with humans.
Speaker 3: With.
Speaker 2: Things that really can take over your mind and body.
Speaker 2: If we were not menatally prepared to spiritually prepare me,
Speaker 2: we've had to protect ourselves spiritually and physically because he
Speaker 2: he has no stopping and I have no doubt in
Speaker 2: my mind that he is capable to do anything. If
Speaker 2: he did it to his life, he's capable to do anything.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my story.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm really sorry about your sister, and
Speaker 1: it's so recently, you know, it didn't happened that long ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how are the kids now?
Speaker 2: There was my parents? They they're safe. They of course,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm very sad and depressed most livings, but
Speaker 2: you know, kids are smart. They know that something that
Speaker 2: happened to their mom and important, but they were trying
Speaker 2: to make us believe.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean a good good thing is you know,
Speaker 1: they're safe, they're away, they're away from him, and he
Speaker 1: sounds like a complete piece of work. And of course,
Speaker 1: because it's cross border, it would probably be extremely difficult
Speaker 1: to have any form of police intervention. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: and your mother, if you can completely cut ties with
Speaker 1: him altogether.
Speaker 2: Well, at the time, he still has to communicate with
Speaker 2: the kids, and you know, the whole legal side of
Speaker 2: it with their custody. Apparently he still has rights even
Speaker 2: if he's not here. So my parents are working through them.
Speaker 2: So because of that, he still calls them probably like
Speaker 2: once a month months every two months, so it's not
Speaker 2: constant communication. But they still communicate, but it's not it's
Speaker 2: not been official for them, but he doesn't call them
Speaker 2: like a loving father, like, oh, worried about how they're doing.
Speaker 2: Now he calls them to trying to find out the
Speaker 2: must You know.
Speaker 1: Your parents have full custody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so right now they do. They're just working on
Speaker 2: getting it permanently so that they can could tie completely
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best way. I think your sister had never
Speaker 1: mentioned anything that he you know, that he may have
Speaker 1: been involved in this this witchcraft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she would mention it to us. He
Speaker 2: did say one time, Well, she had several things she
Speaker 2: would say, like she actually didn't get along with his
Speaker 2: family and it was because of that because she would
Speaker 2: say that she knew that they practiced this witchcraft and
Speaker 2: that they did bad things with this cause one of
Speaker 2: their own family members to lose their mind, like literally
Speaker 2: lose their mind. They lost everything. This guy, her husband
Speaker 2: would collor while he was over there, and he would
Speaker 2: say things like my bed was lifted last night, or
Speaker 2: I saw my uncle turn into a pig. Like it
Speaker 2: was very weird stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, because Brudier is still widely practicing there
Speaker 1: in Latin America and Mexico, because I think that's where
Speaker 1: it originates from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's very heavy. Apparently in the area he
Speaker 2: was very sin and yeah, people can turn into animals,
Speaker 2: people can astro project. It's a lot of things that
Speaker 2: if you never experienced it or see it or even
Speaker 2: hear about it, you would never even think it existed,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, but it does. It's the same. It's
Speaker 1: the same in Southeast Asia. I've spent a lot I've
Speaker 1: never been in Mexico sort of South America, but I've
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in Southeast Asia, and their
Speaker 1: black magic over there is is called mootelu. And before
Speaker 1: I went over I didn't I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: a thing too much, you know, I thought it was
Speaker 1: maybe in the past, but it's very much widely used
Speaker 1: because over in Southeast Asia. They have you know, they
Speaker 1: have the living and the dead, and they pretty much
Speaker 1: go hand in hand. They're very very spiritual. They have
Speaker 1: deep connections with you know, the past and the ancestors
Speaker 1: and all that. But black magic is very highly used
Speaker 1: and it's used by people every day with it's you
Speaker 1: know where it's for love, wealth, jobs. It's used by
Speaker 1: actors as well. Actors literally fly from abroad to go
Speaker 1: over there and meet a practitioner of mootelu for more success.
Speaker 1: So it's still widely used, and it's you know, if
Speaker 1: you didn't realize what you were looking at, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: even realize it's there.
Speaker 2: Definitely might have and one of the craziest things that
Speaker 2: experience because it almost doesn't sound rual, like the event
Speaker 2: that just happened back to back were crazy and it
Speaker 2: happening to us was just the weirdest part, because you know,
Speaker 2: we don't do nothing, we don't get involved with people,
Speaker 2: we don't like problems, and it just happened right in
Speaker 2: front of us.
Speaker 1: Sure, but you were no strange. It's a paranormal activity
Speaker 1: that you'd had some experiences when you were younger as well,
Speaker 1: Is that right, Jen?
Speaker 2: Yes, that experience some crazy things like I, well, if
Speaker 2: you want me to share, I can share something that
Speaker 2: happened to me as a child.
Speaker 1: Yes, sure, only if you're comfortable doing it. That's no problem.
Speaker 2: Okay. So yeah, I was about eight years old when
Speaker 2: my dad had a workshop. He was working on a
Speaker 2: sewing machine, because that's part of what he does. He
Speaker 2: was sewing some fabric together, and I was right behind
Speaker 2: him at the table. He had like a backroom and
Speaker 2: there was a table and I had coloring stuff and whatever,
Speaker 2: all this other stuff. I was playless. And it was
Speaker 2: like later in the afternoon. There was almost eight pm,
Speaker 2: let's say, because we were the last people on that
Speaker 2: shopping center where his workshop was located in. And all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the lights cut off of the building
Speaker 2: did just go completely off. And I've run towards the
Speaker 2: front where my dad is sitting and I tell him,
Speaker 2: oh my god, the lights go off. There was a
Speaker 2: raining outside, there wasn't any wind, nothing was happening outside.
Speaker 2: And when the lights came back on, all you heard
Speaker 2: was a loud, demonic voice say get the f out
Speaker 2: of here, and it just yelled it so loud its
Speaker 2: echoes through the workshop. And you just felt this chill
Speaker 2: go up your sn and it was so deep and rapty,
Speaker 2: like the voice was like so deep and rasty, and
Speaker 2: it said it clearly, like gets that f out of here?
Speaker 2: And my dad. My dad replies back and he was like, no,
Speaker 2: this is my space. And the lights thun go off again.
Speaker 2: And then I'm crying because I'm like, I know I
Speaker 2: heard that, and I'm telling him, I'm like you did
Speaker 2: you hear that? Like what is going on? Like I
Speaker 2: want to go home. I don't want to be here.
Speaker 2: Let's go. And he's like, Okay, we've got to leave.
Speaker 2: But you don't need to be scared, because if you
Speaker 2: get scared, you're giving them more power. So ever since then,
Speaker 2: anything turned that has happened to me after that, I've
Speaker 2: always tried to stand my ground.
Speaker 1: Would you say you were a spiritual.
Speaker 2: Person, well, yes, Like growing up, I was raised in
Speaker 2: the church. I was raised Catholic. It was when I
Speaker 2: became a teenager that I decided to stop going to
Speaker 2: church because I started reading more. I started reading outside
Speaker 2: of what the church taught. I started reading what the
Speaker 2: church really meant, what was behind the Vatican, what was
Speaker 2: behind the Pope, what was behind everything, and you know,
Speaker 2: reading some conspiracy theories, but you know, I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracy theories have facts in them. So
Speaker 2: that's really what made me stop going to church. But
Speaker 2: I had always I have always believed in God, and
Speaker 2: I still stand by that.
Speaker 1: I didn't really personally grew up in a religious family,
Speaker 1: but I've always believed that there is an energy, not
Speaker 1: necessarily a guy with a beard and sat in a
Speaker 1: big chair, just more of a universal energy. And I
Speaker 1: don't believe that universal energy can be housed in a building.
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of problem I have with religion.
Speaker 1: I feel man as a whole, he's very easy corrupted.
Speaker 1: So I don't necessarily believe in organized religion that in
Speaker 1: that respect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's sort of like my concept to that
Speaker 2: kind of made me stop going to church because that's
Speaker 2: sort of where my mind is that as well. Like
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a guy necessarily with a beer.
Speaker 2: It's describe and all of the other stories that fall
Speaker 2: behind it. I do believe it is the energy too.
Speaker 2: I do believe that that's what created everything. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: once you start learning things on your own, you just
Speaker 2: start almost like opening a different type of realm into
Speaker 2: your own personal life.
Speaker 1: But it's true, of course, when you start looking at conspiracies,
Speaker 1: you know, you can it can overwhelm you. And some
Speaker 1: you know, the more you the more you learn, the
Speaker 1: more you you kind of look at the world differently,
Speaker 1: and it's not always in a good way. But I
Speaker 1: think it's okay to learn and it's okay to know
Speaker 1: as long as you mix that in with personal development
Speaker 1: as well, as long as you keep your head about you. Definitely,
Speaker 1: I say that from experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Like but you know, I guess it's from
Speaker 2: my own personal experience. You know, other people may have
Speaker 2: different experiences and they don't believe that way, you think
Speaker 2: that way, But from my own personal experience, I know
Speaker 2: that a lot of religions not just what I was raised,
Speaker 2: and have a different truth behind them.
Speaker 1: I agree, Jen, you did wonderful.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Yeah, I think you know, it
Speaker 2: was definitely And today it actually unique day because today
Speaker 2: is the one year university for my sister, So I
Speaker 2: don't know, I've wanted to do something to commemorate her.
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand, and you know, over I know
Speaker 1: it's it's very recent now, but over time, things are
Speaker 1: heal and she's a piece now.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. I believe that too. She's no longer
Speaker 2: filing the demons she had to fight.
Speaker 1: Wonderful, Okay, Jen, I really appreciate you coming on sharing
Speaker 1: that for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me and listening.
Speaker 2: I definitely appreciate it, and.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're happy to tell your sister story.
Speaker 2: Yes, me too. I feel like she was silent, worshipfully
Speaker 2: and I want to be able to tell her story.
Speaker 1: You did a great job, Jen, Thank you, Thank you
Speaker 1: for much. No problem. Okay, keep listening, all right, and
Speaker 1: keep in contact. I will talk to you soon. Jen.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, no problem. Enjoy the rest of
Speaker 1: you re evening. Okay, well, okay, thank you Jen. Bye bye.
Speaker 1: Now that is all for today. Keep updated and connected
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Speaker 1: you have an encounter that you'd like to share on
Speaker 1: the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
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Speaker 1: A big thank you Jen for sharing tonight, and thank
Speaker 1: you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Speaker 1: Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye
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