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Speaker 2: Well, welcome, remember one to the show.
Speaker 5: We are doing a roundtable with Brent and Don from
the Paranormal Portal. If you get a chance, you're on iTunes,
you're listening to this on your podcast player. Definitely check
out the Paranormal Portal with brenton Don. They also do
a live show every night on YouTube the Paranormal Portal.
Go over there and check out what's going on?
Speaker 4: Brenton Don?
Speaker 2: How are you guys?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good. How are you? Don?
Speaker 6: How are you forgetting somebody?
Speaker 4: This is going perfectly?
Speaker 2: We all, yeah, this's going great.
Speaker 5: We also have I was gonna do it afterwards. We
also have Tony Merkle from the Confessionals. What's going on, Tony,
I'm doing fine?
Speaker 6: What No?
Speaker 5: I thought we'd do a roundtable just to kind of
talk about, you know, stuff that we normally don't talk
about on shows. Brent or Don, if you guys would
kind of tell the audience about the paranormal kind of
what's your show about? As far as if they go
over there and check it out on the podcast.
Speaker 7: You know you're gonna check out Paranormal Portal. You're gonna
get a full serving of a buffet of paranormal. We
serve everything up, hot and fresh. Of course, it's all
about ghosts. We do UFOs, we do you know, aliens, abductions,
we do, we do cryptids like Bigfoot and dog Man,
and also we do things like time slips, Mandela effects.
Speaker 4: I mean, we really try to cover the whole.
Speaker 7: Deal and it's just there's so much to work with
that it's really a lot of fun. We got a
lot of variety, and we've had some really amazing guests
and a lot of great conversations.
Speaker 4: It's hopefully a good time.
Speaker 7: So I hope if you guys check it out you'll
enjoy it. But it's something we love doing and take
a lot of pride in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys do a great job. And I know
on YouTube, I like the live show that you guys do.
I actually like I actually like the podcast better.
Speaker 2: Than the YouTube.
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't mean that as in a
bad way. I just like the you know, I'm more
of a podcast guy than I am a YouTube guy.
But you guys do a good show, good job on
that show every night. I got an interesting question Nyila
from my website. I posed out there if they wanted
to ask questions or whatever, and Nihila says, which story
or experience creeped each of you out the most? I'll
start with Tony, unless you want to think about it, Tony,
what's the one story or experience that creeped you out
the most?
Speaker 6: I don't really get creeped out a whole lot, and
that's not a tough guy thing. It's just listening to
so many of the stories and stuff, it just doesn't
really creep me out a whole lot. I think for
me it would be more head scratching and afterwards just
walking away from an interview saying what the heck was that?
And that would be definitely Episode one twenty two, Secret
Military Enochian Technology talking to Charles Charlie. He was in
the military, and he seemed to be groomed for a
certain type of job that he wasn't even aware that
he's being groomed for. And he goes into this story
of how he was sent into an unspecified location to
recover a downed aircraft, and he describes the aircraft that
he came across, And there are a lot of a
lot of things in that interview that after I was
done with the interview, I looked into and it checked
out and some of the things that I discovered when
looking into it. Like he described the aircraft that they
came across, he said, the outside looked like it was
a checkerboard, and when you touched it, it was cold
to the touch, but like everything outside, it was completely
really hot, like it was hot outside, but this crack
was really cold to the touch, and the checkerboard itself
has a lot of occulty in ties to And when
he got inside and he's trying to recover his job
was to recover data from the computer system, and he
came across the language that he never saw before, and
he started looking through his manual trying to decipher what
the language was, and one of the scientists that was
with him kind of firmly puts his hand on the
book and it's like, you're not going to find it
in there, and he's like, what do you mean, And
he's like, that's Enochian language. He said, just get your
stuff done so we can get out of here. And
they got their stuff done. They got out of there,
and then the way back to the ship they experienced
time laps, and on the ship they experienced time laps.
It was a real trippy episode. So I think that
was the one that really kind of left me in awe.
I was just like, what the heck did I.
Speaker 4: Just listen to?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that could have been a movie. That show could
be a movie in itself. I mean it was, well,
was that what you said?
Speaker 6: One?
Speaker 2: Two?
Speaker 6: Yeah? One twenty two?
Speaker 5: What about you don what's the uh, what's the story
or experience that creeped you out the most, either on
the show or off the show.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I got to say, you know, I've
not really I'm kind of like the skeptical believer on
Paranorm Portal. You know, I don't take anything for granted.
I you know, I go eyes open. I have a
very open mind though, And I've not really ever, to
my knowledge, had an experience of any type really, and
I think that has to do with a lot of
my break upbringing as a child. But you know, there
was one time, and it was just recently, maybe two
months ago, maybe three months ago. We're in here doing
a show and uh, oh, actually there's two. We were
in here doing a show two or three months ago
and our ghost box went off because you guys know,
we have a ghost app on the computer. And I
just all of a sudden got the chills and all
the hair on my body, including my beer, just stood
right up. And it was just I just got this
like this energy just like walk through me. And Brent
looks over at the ghost box and goes, yeah, it
was like stranding right behind you, if not right on you.
And you know, it was just that that that weird
chill of you know, something just happened, an electrical shift
or something like that, and it really kind of whacked
me out a little bit. But I got to tell
you the worst time, the worst and I only have
I only have these really when I'm with Brent. I
think he's kind of a magnet for these kinds of things.
Speaker 6: But the.
Speaker 4: Super Blue Blood moon in.
Speaker 8: January of eighteen, you know, that was just we were
getting ready. It was a Wednesday night, we were getting
ready to do a show, and Brent's about to hit
the go button and then everything just crashes. And Brent
wasn't feeling good anyhow. He was, you know, he was,
you know, just not feeling good. He was lethargic and
just had this weird feeling and you know, going through him.
And and I'm the kind of person, I'm kind of
an impath when it comes to that kind of thing.
You know, It's like, if you're feeling bad, you know,
it affects me, and I try to push it away
and accept the fact that, you know, it's like, it's
not my energy, it's not my problem. You know, I'm
here for you, Bud. But I don't want to be
with you right now. But everything went wrong. The stream
went bad, the skype went bad. I started breaking things.
I got up and I knocked over a mic and
I knocked over a projector, and I'm like, oh my god, dude,
and Brent just hit the stop button and he just instantly,
you know, it just instantly just hit us all at
the wrong time, and we just couldn't go on with
the show.
Speaker 4: That was pretty weird.
Speaker 8: But those really, honestly the only experiences that have really
you know, tripped me out, you know. But there you
have it, you know.
Speaker 6: But but that means.
Speaker 8: That, you know, I have an open mind when we
talk about the things we talk about, you know, and
I try to bring some reason to the table or
some you know, grounding, shall we say, you know, but
I get beat up pretty well on the show, so
it's okay, you know, oh you know, don but and so,
you know, so that makes me a skeptical believer. And
I'll believe if I have the experience. But I haven't
had many, if any experiences.
Speaker 6: So there you go.
Speaker 2: No, I get it, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 5: What about you, Brent, Is there any a story or
experience that really creeped you out.
Speaker 7: You know, I guess in many ways, I'm probably a
lot like Tony in that, for the most part, I've
been around paranormal stuff really throughout my life, and for
the most part, I really don't get scared or creeped out.
But there was one time, one ghost, one haunting situation.
Speaker 4: Well actually there's two.
Speaker 7: There's the one time when I believe I had to
run in with a sasquatch, and I went over that
when I was on your show, of course West. But
we were coming down a friend of mine and I
was fourteen, he was fifteen. We're coming down this ravine
in a state forest and we stopped on this dried
up waterfall just to rest, and suddenly, like eight feet
behind us and about two feet above us was this deep,
resonating growl, and it like literally vibrated my whole body.
I mean it was I felt it as much as
I heard it. And you know, this is in Minnesota,
and at that time I had no context for what
it could be. But I knew that the biggest thing
we had was white tail deer, and they don't growl,
So I literally thought what I didn't know what was
making that noise, but I was pretty confident, like I
knew inside of my heart that I couldn't look because
I didn't want to see what.
Speaker 4: Was going to kill me.
Speaker 7: I mean, it just real, really felt that ominous and
that foreboding, and my friend and I both froze, And
I'm really glad that I had someone there with me,
because it'd be one of those head scratchers that i'd
you know, after a while, you kind of wondered, did
that really happen? Was that really what happened? But you
know he can verify that, and that's that's what makes
it cool. But we ended up just finally just taking
off and run. And so many people say, oh, don't run,
don't run, but it's like, you know, you.
Speaker 4: Have two choices, you have fight or flight.
Speaker 7: Well, I knew whatever made that noise was well beyond
my scope of fight, you know, I just knew that
that wasn't an option. So all we had left was
a flight, and so we ran out of there and
we weren't pursued or anything.
Speaker 4: I mean, it really kept me out of.
Speaker 7: The woods for a long time afterwards, and it was
years and years and years later when I started like
trying to learn about the Sasquatch and stuff. I found
out they were in my area as well where I
grew up, and I started to find things that people
attribute to them as such as signs and stuff like that,
and went out in those woods as an adult much
later in my life, and sure enough, I could see
some of the things that people have long attributed to sasquatch.
So I think the only thing that it could have
been was a sasquatch.
Speaker 4: But that really did scare me. I mean, I was terrified.
Speaker 7: But other than that, I think the only other time
that I've gotten creeped up by something paranormal. And I
know you're probably asking this question in terms of what
we've covered on the show, but honestly, you know, I
take I don't really feel that creeped out factor from
the shows unless it has to do with kids. But
those really creep me out because they're you know, they're
the they can't defend themselves, they can't do anything, and
sometimes they get targeted and that's just a heartbreaker. But
I think as far as a ghost story that that
happened to me that freaked me out was I was
home alone.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 7: I was married at that time as well, but not
to the same person I'm married to now, but she
would she she was working and I came home early
from my job and I was like, oh, I could
take a shower, because every time I took a shower,
it didn't matter what. She felt that was a perfect
time to do dishes, which meant I got a cold shower,
and so I was like, yeah. I locked up the house,
got in the shower, and I'm all wathered up and stuff,
and all of a sudden, the water went ice cold,
and I was just like, what the.
Speaker 4: Hell's going on?
Speaker 7: And I figured she must have come home and decided
to do dishes, because that's the way it always went.
But I got down and shut off the water, and
I'm still here in water porn, and I'm like, what's
going on. I opened the shower curtain, and in the
sink outside of the shower, the hot water is just
blasting and steam's coming up, and I know I've locked
the door in there.
Speaker 4: There's nobody in there with me.
Speaker 7: But something turned on that hot water, you know, to
make that the shower water go ice cold, and it
just felt creepy and I don't know what it is,
but it's just being naked and having something like that
happen just makes it so much.
Speaker 2: Worse kind of vulnerable and very vulnerable position.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, you know, not that not that my cotton
T shirt's going to stop a lot in terms of attacks,
but I just feel better about it, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's about it for me. I guess off the
top of my head.
Speaker 2: I think for me it would probably be episode four
nineteen with Anthony.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys remember that the old
woman that and she had him like these creatures in
her home and they were her like her grandkids. And
he tried to save one from a tree. It was
stuck in a tree. He said it looked like a fat,
chubby kid.
Speaker 2: And did you guys ever hear that story? Knowing?
Speaker 5: I know Tony did, but Brent and Don, did you
guys ever hear that episode four nineteen with Anthony?
Speaker 4: Please say I don't. I haven't. I'm pretty sure I haven't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a bizarre story, and I remember, you know,
I was kind of on the fence whether a poster
or not. But it's kind of one of those accounts.
If you get a chance, check it out because it's
one of those things to where if you read that encounter,
you would call BS on it. If someone tried to
tell you that encounter, you'd probably call BS on it.
But when you hear Anthony tell it, you walk away
and go, I don't know what happened to this guy.
I mean, I believe this guy. I think what he's
exactly what he s has happened happened.
Speaker 2: And you know that there's another one.
Speaker 5: I won't burn it up on this show, but there
was a kernel that contacted me. He sent me a
bunch of his military records. And it's a long story.
I won't bore you guys with it. But and he
lives in Australia now and there's a certain reason why
I didn't have him on the show. He's dying of
cancer and so he's kind of loaded up on payment
essen And you know how the audience can be. Sometimes
they'll they'll hang people from the town square. You know
that I can and I don't want to bring him
on the air. And then people say, while he was
drinking or you know, because he is heavily sedated on
a lot of he's coherent. But he's the reason why
he told me this story. Long story short is in
Vietnam they had killed two giants and one was male,
one was female, and he watched him chair a part
kids and I'll save it for another time. But that
story cripped me out. But as far as the show goes,
I think episode.
Speaker 2: Four nineteen is what do you think about that? Tony?
Episode four nineteen.
Speaker 6: I really thoroughly enjoyed that episode very much.
Speaker 2: I really thought the whole encounter was fascinating. I really did.
It's one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 6: Wow, you know I add something here. Now, it's not
an episode per se. I mean I've had this I
guess person or not person, but entity I guess show
up on a couple of different episodes, and it's something
that depicted in Hollywood a lot. And I guess if
something's going to freak me out, it would be that
that character from the movie The Grudge, the woman that
like the girl that's crawling. You know, does you guys
talking about Oh yeah, yeah, so like that idea. Like
I've had a guy tell me that I think it
was in the back seat of his car. He looks
in the rear of your mirror and all he sees
is this this girl with long hair, kind of like
head tilted down staring at him. Uh that that idea, yeah,
freaks me out. It freaks me out and it drives
me nuts that it freaks me out because it's just
the girl, like like a little girl with long, greasy,
dirty hair, and it freaks me out every time.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is creepy.
Speaker 6: Samara from The Ring I just interviewed, got view the
guy this morning. I just interviewed a guy this morning
who had a similar type experience. It was more a
dream in his head. He was telling different story and
he told me this one dream that he's happened, but
it was a recurring dream over a couple of weeks
period of time, and it's the same thing. And it
was like that kind of character chasing him while it
was running as across the top of a fence, like
it was running on a fence, and it's just like
the idea of it just freaks me out.
Speaker 2: What is it, Tony, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Speaker 6: Uh, you know the movie The Ring.
Speaker 2: No never saw it?
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, there's a character in that movie that the
demon girl character. It's it's just that typical and it's
been it's it's depicted in several different types of movies
and Hollywood stuff where it's like a girl and a
white gown, long black hair down her back, hairs hanging
over her face, and usually like she's dripping wet every
time you see her and she's standing alone in a
hallway staring at you. I know what you're talking about now, Yeah,
that I can't take it like it drives me nuts.
And now that I've verbalized that, I guarantee you I'm
going to have something happened in my house one day.
Speaker 4: You feather to the universe lookout.
Speaker 5: Speaking of paranormal you know what, really the one thing
that really bothers me in the paranormal world is some
of these older videos where someone's being possessed and it's
not like the Possession where it's obviously a fake, where
there's actual physical transformations. There was one, Gosh, I have
to see if I can't find it, where someone's actually,
I mean, this guy is possessed by something. Do you
ever get any of those type of stories, Brent or
Tony or don do you guys ever come across where
someone was possessed? I mean, that would be a great
interview what did it feel like being possessed? What you know,
what led up to it? If you guys ever talked
to anyone who's actually been possessed.
Speaker 7: I haven't had anybody come forward on the portal yet
with that, and you know, so I would love to
understand more about that too, But no, we haven't had that,
have you, Tony?
Speaker 6: Yeah? A lot? Oh really yeah. I've talked to a
lot of people who have had that, those situations happened
in their lives. I just again, I just talked to
another person today who she when she was a little girl,
she falling short of being possessed. She said that if
she was gonna try to understand what a possession felt
like while it was happening, She's like, what I experienced
was that she was very hesitant to say she was possessed.
And even another guy I talked, I talked to the
several people today. Another guy I've talked today was the
same guy with the dream with the woman running across
the fence. He was describing things happening to him throughout
his entire life, and I asked him, I said, you know,
and the one time something had happened, you know, the
situation I say, it sounds like it's a possession, and
he's like, I don't like calling it that. I was like, well,
I guess I can understand that, but that's pretty much
what it was. And I've had lots of people contacting
me saying that they've had demonic entities either possessing him,
they had to go through an exorcism, or they've seen
an exorcism. The girl I was talking to today, she
was at her fiance's house and the first time this happened.
She's in his room and she hears his brother yelling
out in the living room. I think it was her
her brother's fiance's house, but he was going crazy and
she her fiances like, don't go out there, and she's like,
all right, So she stays in the room. Now, she's
pregnant at time, and she really had a pee, and
if anybody's been around a pregnant lady, it's very sudden.
And so she had to go, and so she went out,
and when she looked down the hallway, she sees her
fiance's brother being I guess prayed for by several people,
and he is yelling and kind of flipping out, and
he turns his head and looks at her and his
eyes are completely black, and it scared her so bad
she ran back into the bedroom. The fiance's sister also
had something happen to her just like that when she
was younger. And then one day she's at home and
she's sleeping. They're both sleeping and her I think she
said her fiance fell out of bed or something like that,
and she leans over and she's like, Eric, what's wrong?
Are you okay?
Speaker 9: And he's just like Eric's not here now, and again
some kind of like deep, low, demonic voice and she's
like Eric, stop, and he's like, you should go, and
she ran out called the family, and the family came
over with I guess their presets and stuff, and they
performed an extracism on him right there, and you know,
he was yelling and screaming. And while that was going on,
somebody else had come over to her and was praying
for her and put their hand.
Speaker 6: On the belly, praying for the baby inside and stuff.
Because I mean, that's it sounds you gotta worry about.
But there's been a lot of different reports of these
things happening to lots of people, and I have lots
of interviews I'm sure I probably haven't even aired yet
that talk about, you know, such things happening to them.
I know there's one guy and this is much, this
isn't much a demonic possession. But if anybody's heard of
incubus and suckubush, I have a guy who's gonna be
coming up here, probably in the next couple of months.
And he had a succubist coming on to him, and
it several times. And I can't remember exactly clearly if,
but I think during the interview we were going over
the details and stuff, and I kind of helped him
understand the difference between incubus succubists and all that stuff.
And I sent him images and different things to look at,
and he's like, that's what I experienced. And then there's
the guy. I think his name is Bob Larson, and
I played some of his audio on my show, probably
about six months ago, eight months ago, and he had
a radio show. And here he's a Christian guy, and
he is doing a Christian radio program and somebody calls
in just to talk to him, a very distressed person.
And as the guy's talking, you hear another voice come
through the line and it's like the guy was possessed
and like this demonic entity was coming through the line.
And I believe, if I remember correctly, a couple of
times you heard the guy talking in his normal voice,
and as he's talking, the other voice comes through at
the same time, so there's like two voices at one
time coming through the line. And that was a very
intense phone call that he had, and I played it
on my show and I got a lot of people
saying that freaked him out. And then there's some people
that say, oh, that's not real, it's fake, it's a hoax.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not gonna I can't go into it
thinking I'm gonna please everybody, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter what you do on
any of these shows, there's there's always gonna be somebody.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's because.
Speaker 8: That's me, because you know, I mean even but no,
you're not disrespectful about well no, I'm not disrespectful about it.
But like today I'm like going through Facebook and I'm like, Okay,
somebody asked a question to like an EmPATH you know
Facebook group that I'm a member of, and they said,
when I was possessed.
Speaker 4: I'm like No, you weren't.
Speaker 8: No, you weren't. Because here's the thing. What I what
I think would happen is that if you were possessed,
you probably would not remember much of it. Now, I
may be off base, I don't know, I may be wrong.
I've never personally, I don't think I've ever been possessed.
Maybe I have been, who knows. But you know my
point is this is first of all, I look, I
ask him, you know, what kind of you know, mental
issues are in your family, what kind of medications are
you on? You know, things like that, because I want
to get that stuff out of the way. And then
I want to ask him, how do you remember this?
You know, how do you remember a demon possessing you?
When a demon possession is supposed to just like push
you away and take over your consciousness, how do you
remember anything?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 8: If they say, oh, I had hypnotic regression or something
like that, well then you know, okay, whatever. But I mean,
I and a lot of We have a friend named Paisley,
and she has a show about paganism and things like that,
and you know, she was just talking about I was
on I kind of you know, got in on the
last part of her show last night, and we were
talking about that a little bit about you know, she
has people in some of her Amino groups and some
of her Facebook groups that are saying these things like
I was possessed and this is what happen and blah
blah blah blah blah. And the people in her Amino groups,
they're like, no, you aren't, No, you aren't. You know
that's not true. You're you know, I have to question
and this is me. I'm not saying, you know, you know,
anybody should be like me.
Speaker 4: They just don't do it.
Speaker 8: But I just can't believe if you don't have some
reason that you remember it specifically, I can't believe it.
I got to say it's you know, if I experienced it,
then it'd be a little different. You know, if I
experienced if I was there when the person was, or
I experienced it, whatever, then it'd be more of a
reality to me. But I think that's one of those
grain of salt kind of things. I mean, like a
giant grain of salt, like the whole sea of salt,
you know, looking at it.
Speaker 6: So there you go.
Speaker 7: Well, one thing that occurs to me, and I firmly
believed this and I think that I think the word
demon gets really dropped way too freely and easily, Like
some people use it almost like a status, like, uh,
you know in paranormal investigators like to say, well, we
you know, we we dealt with a demon down at
the Larsen House.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't.
Speaker 7: Really believe that in most cases a lot of these
people have ever bumped into a demon. I don't think
that these things are quite as omnipresent as people would
like to would like to, you know suggest. But you know,
I think people use that term because it sounds sensational,
and there seems to be this real movement in the
paranormal communities to you know basically you know, compare their
feats and so people drop the name demon all the time.
But there, you know, just because something scares you and
you don't quite understand it doesn't mean it's a demon.
And I think that many people just miss miss represent
demonic countings and demonic situations. There's also plenty of of
instances of perhaps well believed incident in instances I gotta say,
but uh, where there's a lot of people that believe
that some people that used to live in a body
feel like maybe they're cheated out and have tried to
walk in to other people, and so it is kind
of a possession, but it's certainly not a demonic kind
of thing. And so I don't know if many people
really understand what a what a demonic possession really is.
Speaker 5: Well, and how would you articulate it though a true
demonic possession. I tend to agree with you, and I've
been accused of that too before, and it's like, well,
I don't know how to articulate, you know, like soon
running into a dog man and his eyes are going
red and it's this weird entity. And so I tend
to say demon or demonic or I understand what you're
talking about, something separate. But how would you define for
everyone what a true demonic possession would be or a
true demonic activity.
Speaker 7: I think, in most cases, honestly what I believe, And
maybe I'm way out on left field on this, but
I think in most cases people won't know they're dealing
with the demon until it's way late in the game.
Demons don't want to broadcast their presence because they truly
want to destroy and take over that person, and they're
the life of that person. So they don't want to
sit around and flash a billboard like hey.
Speaker 4: Demon here, I'm moving in.
Speaker 7: They are subtle, are there. It's a war of attrition.
Like people that are dealing with true demonic presences, I believe,
don't really understand what's going on with them.
Speaker 4: They just suddenly have.
Speaker 7: These weird moods and weird thoughts, and they feel like
there's a darkness around them, like they just can't see
the sun anymore, a feeling of hopelessness, which would be
the demonic oppression, which eventually will work into possession. But
you know, a lot of times the demon doesn't want
you to know it's there because by virtue of it
doing what it's trying to do.
Speaker 4: If you know, then you can get rid of it.
And so I.
Speaker 7: Believe that they are incredibly subtle, incredibly cunning and precise.
And when you do know that you've got one, it's
so late in the game that it's going to take
a whole lot to get rid of it. It's not
just a matter of walking through the house with sage
and thinking happy thoughts. You know, it's going to take
a real spiritual act with probably a lot of other
people helping out. A lot of times in true demonic situations,
people report smelling the sulfur smells, the you know, the
real foul sulphuric type smells, and they attribute that, of
course to the correlation of hell. Whether that is or not,
I don't know, and I don't pretend to know, but
I think that when we're truly in the presence of evil,
we have like a sixth sense about that, like we
know beyond a doubt that something is.
Speaker 4: Really really evil.
Speaker 7: But I think in demons cases, they are cunning, they
are powerful. You know, just because of your cereal bowl
moves doesn't mean oh God, I got a demon because
that scared me and that can't be good, you know.
So that's just kind of kind of my two cents
on it. I'm certainly not a demon knowledge, so I
don't mean to speak out of turn too much, but
it just seems to me that that these things get overused,
and I think that if there truly is a demon there,
it doesn't want you to know until it's already executed
what it wants to do.
Speaker 5: And I'm curious to know what Tony thinks on this,
But so would you define poultergeists activity as demonic activity.
Speaker 7: No, no, I wouldn't. And there's a there's a belief
that in many cases, poulter Gey's activity is very possibly
a manifestation of the living and and quite honestly, most
Poultergeys cases are centered around pre pubescent or pubestant girls,
and so it seems to have something to do with
them coming into their you know, into womanhood and along
with other issues. Obviously you have to start off being
an incredibly spiritually gifted person, but coming into the you know,
the womanhood and uh, there there can sometimes be a
separation and a projection. It's a it's nearly psychological, you know.
So for me, poultergeist are are an entirely different thing.
Speaker 2: What's your take on it, Tony? I know you're a Christian.
You go to church. I got to church. I'm a Christian.
Speaker 4: You don't know me.
Speaker 1: You're not God.
Speaker 4: I know church.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that from South Park where he's gingers
have souls anyway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think there's
a lot of questions about all this kind of stuff
we were talking about that, Uh, it's it's a lot
of you know, our opinions on things and people's personal
experiences is why I value our types of shows so much.
As far as poultry Guy's activity goes, Brent, you had
a what you said there about the young girls having
the experiences tendency tending tending to have the experiences. It
goes along with one of the ladies I just talked
to today. Really, I keep saying that, but it's fresh
in my mind. Uh, when she was a young girl,
she she was playing with the Ouiji board. After that experience, Uh,
she started having poultry Guy's activity happening in her homes.
Now she just talk about it a whole lot. It
really wasn't the main part for story, believe or not,
but it was right around that age that you would
that you described as young girls having that activity. I
think when it comes to the spiritual realm and all
these these oddities that you know we're bringing to the
forefront that you know, whether you're a secularist, a Christian,
or a Hindu or whatever you are, if your mainstream
tend tend not to want to talk about these types
of things, I think there's a lot of questions involved.
I don't think that it's one simple answer for everything,
Like Brenton Don were saying about how not everything is
a demon, and I firmly agree with that. I don't
think everything is a demon. I don't know what everything is,
and I don't have a full understanding as to how
it all works, and I don't think i'll ever really
truly have a full understanding of how it all works
because it's not really within our our realm of understanding.
You bring up the Christian aspect of things, Wes one
of the things that you know really like this My
show really helped me learn a lot through people's experiences,
and it forces you to look into things that you
typically wouldn't look into unless you know you're presented with
information you just can't figure out. And early on the
show talking to people and with my background, I was
raised in a Christian home and all that fun stuff,
and I was just under the assumption into my adulthood
that you know, if there's something spiritual going on, like
you know, it's a demon. If somebody is talking to
a dead person, it's a demon. That's kind of how
I was always just kind of talk to approach things.
But even in the Bible, it's just not true. It's
just not true. And it upsets people to hear somebody
say that, and they're like, oh, you say you're a Christian.
I am a Christian. And you know, if you read
in the Bible, there are certain accounts where there are
talking with the other side. Now I would I would
say that I just said my mic, sorry about that.
I would say that in the Bible, throughout the Old
Testament and New Testament, God forbids it okay. And to
start with that, it's a very common thing amongst the
Christian circles at least I don't know about the religions,
but that either a lot of times people don't believe
that it's even possible to communicate with a dead person.
If they believe. If they do believe that you're communicating
with something more often not, they're going to push it
off as all, we were talking to a demon. But
in the Bible, I think it's two Samuel eighteen, it's
when King Saul goes to the Witch of Endor. Now
he outlawed necromancy and summoning of spirits. He outlawed it,
and he goes to the Witch of Endor undercover, like
this guy's hood up and you know he's just trying
dressed trying to dress like an ordinary dude. And he
approaches the Witch of Endor and he requests her to
contact the dead spear of the prophet Samon up. Samuel
was a prophet of Sauls that had recently died and
was a very influential person in Saul's life on you know,
decision making and uh, he he didn't always listen to Samuel.
But he approaches the witch and asks her to that
summon the spirit of Samuel, and she's like, I can't.
To Saul outlawed it. He'll he'll kill me if if
I do this. And he reveals himself and he's like,
you best be doing it because I'm the king, and
she's like, oh okay. So she she goes and and
summons the dead spirit of Samuel, and uh, they ask
a serious series of questions, they get answers back, and
your typical Christian uh circle that if they're gonna teach
this on a Sunday morning, Sunday school type of thing,
they're gonna they're gonna say that, you know, she's some
she summoned this a demon.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: But if you if you read the Bible for what
it says, and you don't try to put words in
in the Bible's mouth. The Bible never says that that
Saul spoke to a demon. It never says that the
witch was making things up. It says that Saul had
a conversation with the dead spirit of Samuel, the prophet. Now,
the prophet's supposed to be in the presence of God.
Yet somehow this woman was able to summon the dead
spirit of the prophet Samuel, who's supposed to be in
the presence of God, and has a conversation with Saul
and basically tell Saul, you have bro you're about to
be dead. And he did, he died. But it doesn't
say anything about the idea of he spoke to a
demon or that she was playing games with him. Like
if you read what it says he had a conversation
with Samuel and therefore communicating with these spirits and summoning
of spirits, it's very real. It's just how do you
view these things. There are people out there that do
these things actively and they don't have a problem with it.
It's all dependent on what your philosophies are in life,
what your theologies are, what do you use of bribe
to as a Christian. I tried. I tried to. I'm
very imperfect at it, but I try to, you know,
follow what the Bible tells me to do and try
not to do stupid stuff. And so I stay away
from it because I believe it's very real. I believe
it's very possible, but I've been instructed not to do it,
and I don't know what's going to happen if I
do it, So I'm scared. I'm scared, all right, so
I don't do it. But that's, you know, I don't
even know what the question was. I just went off
on a rampage. So wes I handed off to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you. No, you know, not to go
too much off to the Bible. I was reading. It's interesting.
Speaker 5: The Book of Knot goes into demons and where demons
come from. I don't know if Brent or don you
guys have ever read that in the Book of Enoch,
but it goes into where they come from and how
they got here and what they are, and it's just fascinating.
Speaker 2: I was telling Tony we should do a show.
Speaker 5: It'd be cool to do a Bible show, but do
it from a different perspective. Like a Sunday morning sit
in church type of sol Antoni, like in the Book
of Jasser where they go into how Esa killed Nimrod
and why he killed Nimrod and just a lot of
cool things.
Speaker 2: I know it's way off topic.
Speaker 6: Sorry, guys, Yeah, no, I want to correct one thing.
It's first Samuel twenty eight. I said second Simul eighteen.
But it's first Samuel twenty eight. If anybody wants to
read it, go ahead and read it it as far
as I can read and see he's talking to Samuel.
Speaker 4: Baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is an interesting count.
Speaker 5: You're right, you know, going back to what Don was
saying about when you read stuff online, you're like, oh,
come on.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: One thing that's really irritating me in the Big four
world right now is all of these people who read encounters.
And it's different from what you do, Brent with your
paranormal show. It's like, Hey, send me your encounter. I'll
narrate it. And there's so a lot. Most of them
are so outlandish that they're not real. And that's the part.
People send them to me and go, hey, can you
contact this guest and get them on the show. And
I started contacting some of those people who do narrations
in ninety nine percent of them, they tell me they're
fake stories. They they write them in their basement and
then narrate these stories. Or they'll take an encounter and
add a bunch of stuff to it to make it
more interesting. And so it's kind of frustrating, you know,
when you have someone on the show and they're telling
an encounter, you know, and no one's getting raped by
a bigfoot. They're like, this is boring. Well, a lot
of the other stuff you're reading online isn't real. Then
what drives me nuts is a lot of them are
bigfoot researchers, like I'm going to narrate this story, and
then when you talk to them off the air, they're like, no,
it's a fake story.
Speaker 2: I made it up.
Speaker 5: It just drives me nuts. Do you guys have anything
like that in the paranormal world. It seems like the
paranormal world and the UFO world seems somewhat more sane
than the bigfoot world. I know you got a small
taste of it recently, Brent with your show, but it
seems like those other genres are more sane as far
as the people involved.
Speaker 7: What do you guys think, well, you know, I mean,
the other part of it is there seems to be
definable characteristics to you know, essentially to what Bigfoot is.
The other the other areas like like ghosts and UFOs,
it's just kind of everything goes So, I mean, it's
really hard to say, now this is fake, this isn't fake.
But with Bigfoot, I mean, there seems to be at
least a general idea of what this is. And I
don't know, I don't know that everything I'm reading on
the show is real.
Speaker 4: And I say that openly.
Speaker 7: I'm like, you know, I'm I'm finding what material I
can I can't validate, but that's real.
Speaker 5: That's a separate issue than you writing the stories and
reading them, you know, and that it's a completely and
I don't want to compare what you're doing to what
I just said, because it's apples and oranges, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't mean cut you off.
Speaker 7: No, No, that's cool, because but I would say that,
you know, there was a time during during the early
phase of the show, I was like, how did these
other shows do it?
Speaker 4: What am I doing wrong?
Speaker 7: Because they would have tons and tons of stories and
their audience wouldn't be much bigger than mine, and I
was like, what's going on?
Speaker 4: What am I not doing?
Speaker 7: And then it occurred to me as I started paying
attention to what they were doing, and it was like, God,
can that be real? That seems so different from anything
I've ever heard? And I think that that's horrible because
there are a lot of people that really, you really
believe in this stuff. They're really trying to understand that
they're trying to learn, and in many cases, a lot
of people have had experiences and so they come to
the paranormal shows and the bigfoot shows to try to
understand what's going on because whatever they saw just toward
the turn their life upside down. And it really bothers
me that people would be fabricating stories and sensationalizing those things,
because I think for a lot of people, these shows
can be really cathartic and help them come to terms
with something.
Speaker 4: They've been through.
Speaker 7: Or there's other people that are just really honestly curious
and want to understand the phenomena. But if they're getting
a bunch of garbage, you know, I think that's incredibly irresponsible.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 6: Well, you know.
Speaker 8: And also you know you look at you know we
you know, we as a serious serious investigators, serious you
know researchers. You know, they they go out and they
put the boots on the ground and things like this.
And I've said this many times, and it happens in
the UFO community, it happens in the paranormal community, it
happens in the Bigfoot community. We are our own worst enemies.
We are the biggest disinformation set of people, my opinion.
Let me let me voice that, because we have such
a rift between things like this, people who make up
stories and people who are trying to tell what they
understand and and share their knowledge, you know, and the
two are butting heads. You know, You've got one person
say no, that's just bs and we're not going to
do that, and that's not true, and and you know,
and the other one's just shaking their head like, well,
you know, this is my experience, this is what I've
honestly experienced. And so sometimes we're our worst enemies.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: There there's division and derision in all aspects of these genres,
and we are our own worst enemies when it comes
to that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tend to agree. One other question Jack sent me.
He said, all these strange cryptids showing up, is there
a connection between the Nephilum and do you guys notice
an uppeak in strange cryptids?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where the how the nephlin thing connects.
Speaker 5: I mean, I can give you my opinion, but is
there a connection with an up He says uppeak in sightings,
you know, kind of an uptake in sidings.
Speaker 2: And I'm assuming that's what he means.
Speaker 6: What do you think, Tony, they just judging by what
he wrote, I'm assuming Jack looks into at least at
least looks into scriptural writings and not and is totally
I guess, atheistic on it, because if he's giving credibility
to the Nephilum, that's straight out of scripture. I think
the uptick of these sightings, I think there's a different
a lot of different things going into it. One is technology.
You know, in the last twenty years, since the year
let's just say a year two thousand, technology has boomed
faster than we've ever seen before. And I think that's
part of the reason why we have such a problem
with you know, trolls online and the way people interact
with each other, because this is a brand new form
of communication we've never had ever in the human experience,
and so I think we're still learning how to utilize that.
But the on his question, sorry, my wires get crossed.
In the scripture of the Old Testament are not deal
with New Testament revelation. It talks about what's going to
happen in the end times and what's coming forward, and
so I think that's probably where he's going with it.
And that's an opinion based thing, where it's like, well,
do you believe that we're getting close to those times
of the Bible, you know, propheside about as far as
the nephilum masspect of things, I have my own opinions
on these cryptids and all that stuff and how they
came about. I don't think. I guess in general conversation,
like if I'm just talking to us, I usually probably
do refer to it as like a nephlum type of creature.
I think that it would probably is. There's probably a
better way of describing it, because I don't think that
these creatures are nephilim. I don't think that Bigfoot is
Bigfoot is a nephilum, but I think that Bigfoot might
have come from similar origins. Put that way, a nephilm
is a is in the Bible. It talks to Genesis six,
Chapter four talks about fallen angels having sex with women
and the offspring, where the Nephilim, the giants, the mighty
Man of renown, and it talks about the and then
throughout the entire Old Testament, much to the chagrin of
many modern day Christians. I don't want to admit this,
but throughout the entire Old Testament, Uh, there are lots
of spots throughout the Bible that talks about these giant people.
I think I could go on and on about this,
but I think that that those are separate from the cryptids.
I think that cryptids though when you do look at
the Book of Enoch, now, the first Book of Enoch,
the other two I don't really give too much weight in.
I mean, I'll read it, read them and stuff. But
the First Book of Enoch, I really do believe that
Enoch himself wrote that book and he and the way
it's written, it's written as if he's describing what's going
on around him, like it's almost like a current events book,
and he talks about what Genesis six, chapter four, Chapter
chapter six, verse four talks about. Now, in Genesis chapter six,
verse four, it's very very brief, and a lot of
people kind of question some of these things that I'm
about to say, But I want to say that in
Genesis six, chapter four, the author, which we believe is
to be Moses, is writing things that he knows, right.
But I feel like sometimes the authors are vague on
things because the people that he's writing for in that
current time, the people around him already know the infra.
It's not like he's going to tell you, Hey, the
sky's blue. Everybody knows the sky's blue. Move on, get
a gate on with it. And I think that's the
reason why it's so vague. But when you go into Enoch,
he goes into more detail. And I think that's the
reason why Genesis was so vague is because they had
the Book of Enoch already everybody knew it. And if
you read like the New Testament, the writers in the
New Testament they quote Enoch. It shows that the writers
of the New Testament actually read things outside of the
things they were writing. They actually read books. And one
of those books was Enoch, and they quote from it.
And I think if the writer of Genesis knew that
Enoch the book existed and everybody was already well versed
in it, he didn't need to go into great detail. Now,
what it says in the Book of Enoch is that
the fallen angels came. And I'm summarizing, but they came
and they not only had sex with women, but they
wanted to manipulate all of God's creation, animals, plants, everything.
And so if you take what they did, what we
know they did in Genesis six, verse four, and you
apply that to correcting all God's creation, and I think
it's in I think it's in the first chapter of Enoch.
Actually it talks about this, if I remember correctly it
What do you get when you take a fallen angel
doing that with a gorilla, or a fallen angel doing
that with a wolf or something like that, Like, I
think that these creatures might be a remnant. And there's
also the idea then that I introduce, and I'm actually,
to be honest with you, I'm actually putting together a
whole talk about this that I'm going to do from
time to time. But I think that the when you
get people talking about you know, they had a big
foot encounter and it showed paranormal type activity, right, and
and people are like, well, you know that's impossible that
there's a physical creature. Well, if these creatures, if they're remnant,
if they if their ancestors are half half physical and
the other half is a spiritual entity that went astray,
maybe they do have paranormal type abilities. Not every single one,
just like you know when you have a family of people,
not every person is going to be the same height.
Not every person's gonna be able to display the same
physical talents, but they do have similarities because they all
come from the same family. It makes me wonder if
sometimes these creatures, some of these creatures display these paranormal
type abilities, is because they somewhere in their gene pool,
they got that gene that was passed down through generations.
That's just like I, like I say, with everything, I
don't know, but I'm just thinking out loud, and that's
what I do. I just think out loud and say
what you want. But that's kind of how I look
at things. And once again I forget what the question was.
Speaker 5: You need to slow down on the coffee man. What
do you think, Brent, do you think there's an increase
in and you can apply it more than descryptids, but
I mean like paranormal activity aliens. Do you think there's
an overall increase going on? And if so, why, I
think there. I think it's it's manyfold.
Speaker 7: But I think, yeah, I think that there are the Well,
we definitely know that people are probably now more than
ever more prone to discuss what they've seen because of
the social acceptance or better acceptance within our society to
discuss these kind of things, because you know, years ago
you talked about seeing a flying saucer and you just
became that guy, you know, I mean you were just
kind of ostracized, and the same thing for bigfoot or
any you know, ghosts and such. But I think I
think that now it's okay to have these discussions, or
at least there's places for people to have these discussions
where there never was before, And that of course can
be part of the attribution of an uptick in in
reported sightings and events. But I think, you know, I
think that it seems like there are more of things
like bigfoot around, and you know, I don't know whether
it's just more people are coming forward or I've heard
theories bounced down around about this, and some of them
seem to make sense to me. And one of the
things that I heard, and this could probably be a
whole different show in itself, but you know, perhaps when
the smallpox blankets were given to the First Nations people,
there's accounts going around in the First Nations of having
contact at least to some degree with these beings. And
is it possible that small smallpox had spread into cryptid populations.
I don't know, but if they have a similar physiology,
would they also be decimated by that? And maybe now
we're seeing a recovery of sorts. Maybe it's just easier
for them to survive now, so it's easier to have
their increase population numbers because of their ability to adapt
to our presence, and probably in a favorable way, Like
they don't have to you know, go scrape tree bark anymore.
They can just hit a dumpster or something like that,
you know. I you know, there's ideas like that around.
It's hard to know for sure because unless you've seen it,
I guess it's hard hard to say. But those are
my ideas on it. I think that that it's just better.
It's easier now to have these discussions, and it does
seem like there's more of them going on.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if that's the case or if
that's just a perception.
Speaker 5: I know John has an interesting question, he posted it
on Facebook.
Speaker 2: But before we get to that, don what do you think?
What's your take on that?
Speaker 8: You know, I think that these I think it's very
possible that these things, whether they be paranormal, cryptid, you know, alien,
I think it's all viable. I think it's all possible. Therefore,
I think that a lot of people have had experiences
that they just don't know how to come out and
talk about. And I agree with Brent on a lot
of things when it comes to this. You know, I
think it's because you know, people like you know, Art
Bell and all these great people that brought it out
in the late eighties and early nineties, and just the
evolution of this kind of talk show or podcast or
whatever it is, you know Ted Lohman in Arizona in
nineteen ninety five. You know, just all these people made
it possible for us to have an outlet to either
talk about our experiences or talk with people who have
these experiences. So I don't think it's necessarily an uptick
in sightings or paranormal activity or alien you know, abductions.
I just think I, like I said, like Brent said,
I think it's just the availability to be heard and
say the things that you need to say and not
necessarily be believed, but not become the pariah, you know.
I think it's just a lot of a growth within
society in general.
Speaker 6: You know, now that I listen to you guys show
those answers, I realized, I don't think I have actually
answered that question. Oh so I guess what I'll say is.
Speaker 10: I agree with friends.
Speaker 2: Okay, Tony's like I concur.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Sometimes I just get going and I lose track
and my mind goes off on a million different directions.
When I come back back around, everybody's just looking me,
you know, like okay, So I'll just.
Speaker 4: Sit in here with puzzled looks on her faces. That
was great, It was good.
Speaker 5: You know one of the no I think you answered it,
Tony John, He said, I always wondered why people who
have had encounters usually have more than one encounter.
Speaker 2: I would guesstimate ninety percent of.
Speaker 5: Your guests have had one or more more than one encounter,
whether it be sasquatch, dog man, aliens, et cetera. Most
people have never had an encounter, but the ones who
have have multiple counters.
Speaker 4: Why, great question. I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'll just start quick. I don't know why that is.
And here's the thing. Now, I know, I know I
host a show and it's a paranormal show. And isn't
it really convenient that I can say I've had several
paranormal occurrences.
Speaker 4: Honest to God, they're true. Why I don't know. Is
it maybe that.
Speaker 7: Something happened during one of them that just changed my
ability to perceive things? I don't know. I've wondered that
very same thing. But it's really common in cases of
people seeing UFOs, if they see one, there's a really
high percentage chance that they're going to have another sighting.
And you know, I've heard that, like in things like sasquatch.
I heard Bear talk about it, and he's like, you know,
you just have to know how to look. Bear is
talking about there's you know, you can't look at the trees.
You got to look between the trees. And once you
learn how to do that you'll see him everywhere. So
maybe that's something that happens in Bigfoot Bounce, is that
people just learn how to see them and then suddenly
they're not as hidden anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't know, though. That's a great question, but I
wish I had the answer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Brent, I agree with you, man, Like I think,
I think a lot of it's situational. You have to
put yourself in the situation, you know. And I think
people who are having recurring encounters they're they're living in
a situation where it's it's fruitful to have encounters, whether
they're having them on their property because their property is
right in the middle of this Sasquatch territory, or they
really enjoy hiking and camping and they go out all
the time and they have these experiences. On the paranormal
line of things, I have a paranormal show, and I
don't have a whole lot of paranormal experiences. It's one
of the things that fascinates me about is I get
to hear people's encounter stories and I'm just like, Wow,
I don't know how you went through it, Because if I
actually had that experience, I'm wanting to do this show,
you know, So I think it's people are put in,
putting themselves in situations to have these types of experiences
as far as cryptids go, and I think that it's
a lot to do with it, a whole lot as
far as paranormal stuff goes. I think it's I don't know.
I think there's a lot of factors that can go
into that. I mean, are you living in a haunted home?
Are you a haunted individual? Are there people in your
family that are haunted individuals that this kind of goes on?
How many times do you guys hear somebody telling a
story and they're like, and this is something that my
grandmother went through, my mother went through, all the women
on my side of the family go through it. It's
it seems like it's a generational thing. And so I
think a lot of it if I don't know if
situational is the right word, but that's the word I'm using.
It seems situational, like are you in a situation that
is conducid to these kind of experiences?
Speaker 4: Right? And there is you know, in terms of like
ghosts and stuff. I mean, there's there.
Speaker 7: It seems that the more the more gifted a person
is likely with latent or actual realize psychic ability, the
more likely they are to have hauntings or contact with spirits.
And and there's a belief in that situation where those
people act as maybe like a beacon. We've all heard
of the stories of these spirits that have unfinished business
or they just want to tell their story, and that
kind of creates a closure for them to be able
to transition to you know, what's next.
Speaker 4: And uh so.
Speaker 7: That that, of course, if you have a lot of
if you have a lot of haunting experiences, there's a
chance you might actually have some ability that you're not
aware of, and you might want to look into that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for an upcoming show, here's a good one. Barry
wants to know flying cryptids. Why don't more investigators study
these like the thunderbird? And to be honest with you,
I don't really get a whole lot of those. What
have you guys looked into flying cryptids?
Speaker 4: We've covered them on our show.
Speaker 7: You know there's some there's some accounts of flying cryptids
that I just can't get my head around. When you're
I mean, there's a there's a batsquatch apparently, so it's
it's basically a sasquatch, but it's.
Speaker 4: Got bat wings and it flies around.
Speaker 7: Now that's it's got to be like twelve hundred pounds
of meat and I don't know how you get that
off the ground with bat wings, you know. So, I mean,
for me, there's a lot of it that I just
can't get my head around. And quite honestly, you're right,
those those accounts are really rare, and it's hard to
build a whole narrative around very little information.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's also something just with you know,
why do you know we don't have a ton of
marine cryptids, you know, sightings, but the most we have
are the ones that are on land. Why because we're
on land, we don't fly, We don't swim around in
the ocean all day. You know. It's a very just
simple answer, but it's true, you know, I mean, unless
you're breaking your neck all day looking up in the
skies hoping to see a dinosaur flying by. I mean, really,
how many times are we going to come across these things?
It's when they land, when they're in a tree, or
you know, when we do see them flying in an
open sky. But when we have these crypti encounters where
like it's bigfoot dog man or whatever. You know, We're
in the woods. We're hunting, we're fishing, we're camping, we're hiking.
We're out there in the woods. But a large percentage
of the population isn't in the ocean all day or
in deep diving in big lakes or you know, hang
gliding off of cliffs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rich wants to know who wins a fight between
West and Tony.
Speaker 6: I'll let Breton don answer that because I already know
what the answer is for me.
Speaker 7: You know, I don't know. I'm gonna just say that.
You know, we're all just gonna get along.
Speaker 5: I'd never fight a friend, plus, no one actually wins
a fight, but for the record, I.
Speaker 4: Would, okoyness, that's true. Maybe that's true.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Did you guys see that mystery or flying over Kansas City?
The National Weather Service said, we honestly have no explanation
for the floating objects over Kansas City. I threw it
up on sas watch chronicles dot com. Do you get
a chance to look out of Tony.
Speaker 6: No, I didn't get a chance to look at it.
I mean I looked at it briefly, but not you know,
in depth, but I saw that they had some kind
of like mapping or or something like that. I guess
the path that took or something like that. I'm not sure,
but I saw the pictures, and you know, it looks
like an orb to me. It's hard to tell because
it's so far away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brent and Don, if you guys get a chance,
check it out. It's up on the website and it's
I don't know if it's a balloon or it's kind
of bizarre looking and you see planes kind of kind
of passing by it. You know, the orbs that like
what you guys deal with, Brent and Don. You know,
people will show pictures or videos of orbs flying around
and ghost hauntings and that sort of thing. And I
think when you get more into the cryptid world, when
we talk about orbs or balls of light, seems like
balls of light.
Speaker 2: People say orbs. Do you guys notice the difference between
like a ghostly orb and a ball of light?
Speaker 7: Yeah, there seems to be a pretty I mean, there's
there's like three kind of orbs, it seems to me.
There's the spiritual orb, which is about the size of
a quarter or fifty cent piece generally some people report
them as big as basketball, but I think those are
really rare. And then there's the ones that seem to
run around the woods and mountains and stuff. And then
there seems to be a UFO style of orb as well.
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 7: If they're all into related or what, but I mean
the spirit orbs. Of course, you see the photos out there,
and anytime there's a lens flare, people like, oh there's orbs.
Speaker 4: Your loved ones are all around you.
Speaker 7: It's like, you know, I do photography as well, And yeah,
it can be dust, it can be like, you know,
any kind of precipitation in the air if they're outside,
can be you know, bugs flying. You know, there's so
many things it can be. And I honestly, I've seen
very very very few representations of what people claim are
spirit orbs. I would say less than one percent that
I would say actually have a chance. So now I
have seen a spirit orb in real life and like
right in front of my face and it was like
there's glowing yellow ball, but it was about the size
of a quarter and it was about two feet in
front of my face. And another time I saw one
going around the floor about at knee level, and it
didn't look anything like what I saw in those pictures
most of the time. So I think that a lot
of times people really misrepresent you know, the lens flares
and and light reflections from a flash as an ORB.
But the spirit ones or the ones in the woodlands,
I think are the ones that really intrigued me the
most because and Wes, it was on your show. I
think you were talking about these investigators that were out
looking for bigfoot and they saw this orb and then
it became it like popped into something else.
Speaker 4: Am I are you? Do you remember the show that
I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: No, I can't think of that one.
Speaker 7: It was like there's two guys out there investigating for
a bigfoot and I don't remember the area they were in,
but they were. They were up and and looking around
and they had this this weird light orb appear and
then as the watching it, they had a flashlight and
it landed on the path in front of them, and
it turned like suddenly there was like these two little
I don't know, I'm looking things growling at them or something.
Maybe maybe it wasn't your show. I thought for sure
I heard it.
Speaker 2: We're talking about Adam Davies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when he was out at Matthew Johnson's thing and
he said that red thing opened up and two beings
came out.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean that's really curious.
Speaker 6: I think Matthew Johnson on your show, Wes, what's that
you should have Matthew Johnson on your show.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I interviewed him one time and he yeah, I interviewed
him one time, long, long time ago.
Speaker 6: I know, I'm just trying to beg you.
Speaker 8: You know, I was just, you know, I instantly when
somebody says you should look something up, I do. And
so I see this report from the end of June,
and I don't see any video because my my laptop's
slower than my grandma. But you know, it says social
media was ignited by this news many of the speculations
that an alienation was taking place. However, it turns out
to be supposedly DARPA and something called adaptable Lighter than error,
the ALTA program, and they're supposed to be basically high
altitude lighter than air vehicles. So you know, it's it's
hard to tell anything because of the disinformation possible disinformation,
and you know, the different aspects of the people seeing it. Now,
apparently there was a lot of people that saw it,
But then you have to get into individual accounts of it.
And what I've always found is that no two accounts
are alike. I mean, just like when you know, if
you if you, if you've listened to the show, or
you know you you you know a little bit about me.
I have a background as well and as in corrections,
and so you know, you talk to one person and
they've got a great story. You talk to another person
the story is totally different. But they were standing right
next to each other. They had the same experience. So
who knows what the heck it was.
Speaker 2: Don't are you talking about that Kansas City.
Speaker 6: Or Kansas City?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I saw that too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And somebody, as a matter of fact, somebody at
work mentioned it to me the other day, and they're
they're pretty heavy into the conspiracy community, and so you know,
it was being put to me that, yeah, these are
being pushing around by next rad Radar and and it's
you know, it's got everything to do with geo engineering
and blah blah.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 8: So you know, I would rather look out and say,
you know, what it was an alien invasion, but there's
you know, just no proof of that. So it's just
me being the skeptical.
Speaker 2: Just being Debbie Downer, like Donnie Downer.
Speaker 4: By the way, it's much beard for a Debbie, you know.
Speaker 7: It's I'm looking at that too, and it's like, uh,
they're talking about these darbas later than air vehicles, saying, well,
you mean a balloon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's called exactly.
Speaker 7: It's like they don't just get to reinvent something just
because they made a balloon.
Speaker 8: I was wondering where all the helium has been going lately.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you. I mean the UFOs that are,
you know, popping up in the news now and stuff
is an intriguing thing though. Uh the fact that don
and uh Brent or Brenton don however you say it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: I I was on your show the other day and
we were talking about this. But I mean, I don't
remember a time in my lifetime that UFOs have been
talked about this much in mainstream media, to the point
that I have people in my everyday life that think
I'm a goofball for doing the things that I do,
talking to me and say, hey, did you see the
news last night, they're talking about UFOs and they're talking
about the military knows about it. I'm like, I know
this already, move on subject like this is and that
this is the problem that we're in, and here we go.
I'm sorry if my wires getting cross.
Speaker 8: But.
Speaker 6: We're in't a problem right now where we're so focused
on certain things in mainstream media. We're being brainwashed by
certain things in mainstream media. We have blinders on and
we don't look around to see what else is going on.
The news that the Pentagon was investigating UFOs dropped in
two thousand and seven. That's two years ago, and we're
just talking about now because two years ago we are
still a mess of a country because of the elections
and so like people are this is all new to them.
But the fact is, yes, the government has been investigating it,
and yes they changed the way that they approach UFO
settings by the people who are serving in the military
so they can feel free to come forward and share
what they saw. And now videos are coming up like
the tic tac UFO. The reason why they call it
TikTok is because it actually looks like a tictac. One
of the interesting things about that, and I think Bob
Lazar brought it up on his interview with Joe Rogan.
But the way it moves in the video, it lifts
up and it goes vertical in the video, and he said,
that's exactly what it would do according to the technology
that he worked on. And I think it was what
S four right. It wasn't area fifty one. It was
like a subcategory which was S four, I believe is
where he was actually working on these technologies. But this
stuff is popping up all over the news. I think
it's something that really takes serious and everybody's you know,
all caught up in how it's being presented, and they're
upset on the so called disclosure that's going on now,
and it's not what they were expecting because they want
they want. What they want is aliens to drop down
from the sky on the on the front lawn of
the White House and be like, we're here, like it
or not deal with it. But that's not how this
is going, right, And so you know, we're we're they're
gently talking about it into the news and it's it's
what we need to do, though, is we need to
stop and look at this and say what else is real? Now?
And for us we do that all the time. But
the people who are living there every day lives going
about things, not thinking about this stuff and thinking Bigfoot's fake,
Oh that's a fake, that that everything's fake, UFOs, aliens, demons,
everything's fake. Well, as this disclosure happens and we progress
more and more too, because I really do believe it's
going to get deeper and deeper as time goes on.
Now we have they not we, They have to stop
and think and say, okay, what what if within the
next ten years the government, all the world governments come
out and say, yes, aliens are real. We have confirmed
that these UFOs are manned by extraterrestrials, and that comes
out all the people who were naysayers to these kind
of ideas. They have to stop and think what else
is real? And I really think that that that that
might have a domino effect for a lot of other
categories outside of the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 4: I hope, so, I really do.
Speaker 7: But you know the other thing is is how hard
I mean, if you look at some of the explanations
for for some of the stuff that goes around, I mean,
some of the attempts at debunking it are more more fantastic.
Speaker 4: To than just saying, well it's a ghost.
Speaker 7: I mean, it can just they can come up with
these just fantastical narratives of stupidity to try to still
remain in their paradigm. You know, It's like people defend
their paradigm just death with tooth and nail. They just
don't want to give it up because I mean, and
and I understand it. They want that comfort. They want
to know what the world is, and when they don't know,
suddenly it's scary again, and they don't like that.
Speaker 4: But I hope so I really do.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you a quick story. A guy at work,
you know, he always ragging on me about the Bigfoot thing,
and he said to me one day it is something like,
you know, I can't believe you believe in Bigfoot. And
I looked at him and I was like, yeah, you know,
it is what it is. I said, do you now
he's he's a Christian, you know, all that stuff goes
to church. And he I said, well, you believe in UFOs, right,
I mean, everybody sees UFOs. You can him online. Everything's
like nope, like you don't believe in UFOs. Nope, I said, okay,
so I guess aliens are out of the question, right, Yep,
aliens are out of the question. I said to him, well,
I mean you believe in God, right, absolutely, I believe
in God. I said, only you believe demons, right, And
he's like, nope, don't believe in demons. I'm like, you
don't believe in demons and he said nope, And I said,
so the only thing you believe that is there's a God.
But there's nothing else, and not even the the arch
enemy of God, right nope.
Speaker 7: Okay, Wow, that's that's cherry picking your your your ideology.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that sounds pretty good. I only believe in leprechauns.
Speaker 6: That's all I believe in, right because I can get
a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people like that, correct me up.
Speaker 4: That's awesome. Wow, that's craziness.
Speaker 5: Thanks guys for coming on. It was fun chatting with
you guys. Tony Merkle The Confessionals every Tuesday. He's got
a show on iTunes and all your other podcasts. Definitely
check out the Confessionals dot com or the Confessionals podcast
dot com and then Brent and Don you guys got
your show. Check out The Paranormal Portal on YouTube and
it's on every night seven o'clock Pacific Standard time.
Speaker 2: They do it live.
Speaker 5: You guys, I'm surprised you guys haven't burned out yet.
And then you guys do a podcast three days a week,
The Paranormal Portal. Check it out on your podcast player.
Anything else you guys want me to add to that.
Speaker 4: No, that was beautiful. Thanks thanks for having us on.
We really enjoyed it cool.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on, guys.
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