WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.039 Big Food and be on with Cliff and Bubo. These 2 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:12.839 guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and raid 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:20.039 it five stock and me righteous on us today and 4 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:25.320 listening watching Limb always keep it's watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:31.399 And now your host's Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay, Hello, 6 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:35.880 Bobs up nothing man, just chilling hanging out, getting ready 7 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:37.280 to do a podcast right here. 8 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:40.320 I thought you were Gonnay, I'm getting ready. Like building 9 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:41.960 Melissa's haunted house stuff. 10 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.079 Well that is for after the podcast today. Actually, there's 11 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:49.119 a couple of things on my agenda, and certainly getting 12 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.439 all the Halloween stuff out of the shop is part 13 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.479 of that. You know, Sammy, she has more than one 14 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.000 complete shelving unit, and you know, like I build these 15 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.399 shelving units out a two by fours, they're you know, 16 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.280 two feet by eight feet essentially, and she has more 17 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:06.439 than one full of just halloween stuff. So that is 18 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:09.079 gonna be a big part of my afternoon today. So yeah, 19 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:11.439 we're gonna go buy some pumpkins and all that sort 20 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.040 of stuff because it is Halloween time, which is at 21 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.040 least half the year at my house, but it's also 22 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:20.439 the most important season of the year. So that's kind 23 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:23.519 of what I'm up to so today, at least today. Yesterday, 24 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:24.920 though I was in the woods, I got out to 25 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:28.439 the woods yesterday a little bit found a possible track way. 26 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:31.640 It was pretty vague interesting. I mean, it wasn't just 27 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:33.760 like one print in the ground, and it wasn't clear 28 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:36.959 by any means, but there were toes at least what 29 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.159 I'm interpreting is toes. But it was on a rocky 30 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:42.599 gravelly road, actually the same spot I took you when 31 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.200 you me and Dave went out last year. At some 32 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:50.040 point right at that intersection there, I observed four tracks 33 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:52.439 in the ground, and I think I was a three track, 34 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.599 no One two. There were three clearly observable, and I 35 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:58.920 think I'm missing one, and there was also a partial 36 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:00.920 that might have been one, and it's hard to say. 37 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:03.640 So yeah, I thought I was missing one in the 38 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:09.240 sequence of tracks. But if these were Sasquatch tracks, I 39 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.240 cast one as usual. It looks terrible. But if these 40 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.520 were Sasquatch tracks, it was I may measured about fifteen 41 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:19.639 inches long a little bit more, which is a different 42 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.400 new size, new size for this place. So far, I've 43 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.840 only gotten the fourteen, which is actually a thirteen and 44 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.199 a half and twelve, which is actually only eleven and 45 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:31.159 a half. But there's a decent chance that this is 46 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.240 actually the thirteen and a half or fourteen inch individual, 47 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:36.560 just leaving a little bit bigger print as all. So 48 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.360 I don't know. I don't know, but it might be 49 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.639 a new one. So I'm going to keep my eye 50 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:42.120 on the area, try to get out there once or 51 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.680 twice a week as weather permits. Although I shouldn't even 52 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:47.319 say as weather permits, because it dumped on me yesterday 53 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:49.520 when I was out there. I was out there alone, 54 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.960 just walking in the downpours, getting soaked. Man, it was 55 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:56.280 cold and wet. And then I went to a different 56 00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:02.039 elevation and sure enough, snow yesterday. Snow no way, yeah, 57 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.159 I mean, I mean, not only was it just hailing 58 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:09.439 because the tumultuous weather, but there was actually light dusting 59 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:11.360 of snow everywhere. 60 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:11.960 Yeah, it was. 61 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.599 So it's winters here, man, It's the middle of October 62 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:16.560 and the winter's already here. 63 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.000 So well, I guess that's not that out of the 64 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:20.960 organ I guess for this time of the year. It's 65 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:22.520 a little early, but unheard of. 66 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.520 No, No, this is the time when the light switch 67 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:28.400 changes and suddenly it's not nice every day anymore and stuff, 68 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.520 and it's basically winter. So yeah, I think the upper 69 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.919 elevations are going to be closed now. I might be 70 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:35.960 able to squeeze one more trip up to Timothy Lake 71 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.319 or something like that, but that's about it. After that, 72 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.080 I think it'll be done. I'd like to go poke 73 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.240 around there. Some tracks are found in November of last year, 74 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.319 just outside of the Timothy Lake area. I'd like to 75 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:48.080 go check out that area, walk around, see if there's 76 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:51.000 anything going on that I can detect. But we will see, 77 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.400 we will see. We're at the mercy of mother nature 78 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.080 as usual. Anything going on with you. 79 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.800 I'm just down with the folks has done so. I 80 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.560 also not doing my which I've called Wally a couple of times, 81 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:02.800 trying to get ahold of them, but I haven't heard 82 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:03.520 back anything. 83 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:05.879 Well, you know there's other people down there too. Maybe 84 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:07.439 you can get together some of the old funny big 85 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:08.960 foot folks or something and hang out with them and 86 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.479 be good to see them, I'm sure. 87 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:12.840 Or organize a pigeons reunion. 88 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:14.960 Or yeah, pigeon reunion. Now, I'd get the flock back together. 89 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:17.920 There is gonna be a little bit of one on Saturday. 90 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:20.879 Really get some pictures for us. 91 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of guys. 92 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:28.160 It's where we went to a grade school. In junior high. 93 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:32.439 There is the annual fair, So we'll go down there. 94 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:34.480 Oh yeah, I go perch a little bit in some 95 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:35.800 of those trees. Used to hang that in. 96 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:38.879 Those are all gone. Not because of us either. 97 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:42.439 You might be too big to perch in those things nowadays. Anyway, 98 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:43.720 you've grown a little bit since then. 99 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.279 I talked with you for yesterday. He did tell me 100 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.920 that where the origin of the word, because I can't 101 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:51.160 remember where the pigeon came from. And it was because 102 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.560 when he was in when him and tr another pigeon 103 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.120 were in grade school, like seventh grade or something, that 104 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.480 coach wanted to call him the seagull their soccer team, 105 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.519 and it was a sisters team's name in the year 106 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:07.040 before was the Seagulls, and so they were protesting that 107 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:10.000 it was a girl tame name, and the goes, what 108 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:11.639 do you want me to call you guys the pigeons, 109 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:14.079 And those guys thought that was pretty cool, so they 110 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:16.319 that's where the name came from. 111 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:18.360 You know, you could have called yourself the he Goals. 112 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:24.720 When we get old, we can call ourselves the bald Hegels. 113 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:29.000 That's good to let you're on fire. 114 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:31.519 No, I haven't changed a bit, Bobs. I'm just wearing 115 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:33.439 you down. You're coming to the dark side. You're just 116 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:35.680 appreciating my humor more. You're changing. It's not me. 117 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:37.639 I appreciate the good stuff. 118 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.800 Well anyway, it's it is Halloween times. So we thought 119 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:47.680 that maybe a fun thing to do for this particular 120 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.879 episode is kind of get into the spookier side of 121 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:54.839 things and you get outside the Bigfoot thing just for 122 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.920 a second, go beyond Bigfoot, if you will. So a 123 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.560 couple of people have been writing in and then asking 124 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.079 for some stuff. So maybe I'll pass the microphone to 125 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:05.800 Matt prou and you can kind of set us up here. 126 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:06.279 Yeah. 127 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.040 One of our members on the Patreon side, Nick McKay, 128 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:13.040 had written in for our members only Q and A episodes, 129 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.560 and he had said quote Cliff had alluded to a 130 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.199 ghostly experience in the past. Although I'm a firm believer 131 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:20.600 in the Squatch, I'm more of a skeptic when it 132 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.519 comes to ghosts. Nevertheless, I love to hear ghostly stories 133 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:25.800 and was hoping you guys might have something to tell, 134 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:28.319 And so I thought, you know, rather than doing that 135 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:31.360 in an answer to a question in a whole series 136 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:33.639 of questions, since it's Halloween, we could be fun to 137 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:37.680 do a whole Halloween special episode because I know both 138 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:39.680 you guys have some pretty good ghost stories. 139 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.399 Yeah, I've had some really weird things happened to me 140 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.720 in my life, and you know, and people might be 141 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.079 surprised because I'm the science s guy or whatever, you know, 142 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.279 I'm an advocate of science and all that sort of stuff. 143 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:52.800 But at the same time I've had weird stuff happened. 144 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.000 My weird antenna has been up for quite a while, 145 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.680 and when your antenna is up, it attracts the right 146 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.839 kinds of stuff. The whole reason I liked the bigfoot 147 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:04.279 thing is because I was such a weird kid essentially 148 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:09.480 and weird young adult. I just liked unusual things, you know, 149 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.360 And I stumbled across bigfoot stuff, and I realized that 150 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.439 it wasn't as weird as I thought. And the weird stuff, 151 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:18.519 you know, could go in a different corner of my 152 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:23.399 life just for entertaining thought experiments, whereas this bigfoot thing, well, 153 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:26.879 that's biology, you know, and I can apply biological methods 154 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.120 and that sort of stuff to it, and that's what 155 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.000 I started doing. So I don't think there's anything weird 156 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.800 or paranormal about sasquatches at all, really, And many people 157 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:37.839 would disagree, and that's fine, do what you want to do. 158 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:42.360 But I'm only basing on my experience, my thirty years 159 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:46.399 plus experience in this field, being around these things, having 160 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:48.319 seen one or two of them in my life, been 161 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:52.759 tracking them and smelling them and hearing them. Never ever, ever, once, 162 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:55.600 if I ever had anything weird happen to me that 163 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.279 out of the ordinary around Bigfoot stuff. So I don't 164 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:00.639 think there's anything there, but that is me that I 165 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:04.560 don't enjoy the idea or of paranormal things, you know. 166 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:09.079 So just to dispel that incorrect belief and rumor that 167 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.480 circulates about me out there that I'm no fun about 168 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.279 all that sort of stuff, I just don't think it 169 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.399 applies to Bigfoot in any way whatsoever. But yeah, I've 170 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:18.319 certainly had some ghost stuff, and I know Bobo has 171 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.279 had more than his fair share of ghost weird stuff. 172 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:24.720 Too, fair share, not more than more than well, yeah. 173 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.560 You're fair share Okay, yeah, Bobo. Here here's a question 174 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.360 for you. Before I launched a couple of short stories here, 175 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:36.080 how far back can you remember, like how old were 176 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:38.600 you when you had some some of your very very 177 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.120 first weird things happened to you. 178 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.720 My next door neighbor's house, which since it's been torn down. 179 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:47.000 When I was growing up, they had weird stuff out 180 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:49.840 at their house, Like did hear the drawers like the 181 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.600 civil where George stuff like that in the kitchen, Like 182 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.559 it was like those little round circle latches that like 183 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.679 run a hen so like you lived at the circle 184 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:00.200 finger and pull the drawer. 185 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.840 Were out, oh kind of like a door knocker or 186 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:03.360 something like. 187 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.879 That, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, those would go off sometimes. 188 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:09.519 I heard that a couple times. They talk about it, 189 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:10.759 and I heard it once or twice. 190 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:12.240 And how old were you then? 191 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:15.840 Junior high like maybe like you know, under sixteen, like 192 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.360 anywhere from twelve to fifteen. But I didn't seeing or 193 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:23.440 hear anything. They never felt anything. The person I had 194 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:28.120 that was like really weird para normally was the Evering 195 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.519 around two thousand, two thousand and two. Somewhere there was 196 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.320 when I had my first where I saw like that 197 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:34.120 shadow thing. 198 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:36.440 Well, you tell us a little bit more about that. 199 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:36.679 I don't. 200 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:36.879 I don't. 201 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:38.120 I can't remember which one this is. 202 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.440 Oh, I was living in that house and we were 203 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.000 moving out, and I had that by big pit bull Dday, 204 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:46.960 that big one hundred and five pound pit bull that 205 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.600 was like a really good guard dog, and he was 206 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:52.840 he was chilling there with me and I was in 207 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.399 the bedroom and we had a big open door with 208 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:59.200 like a ten foot wide doorway going into the kitchen 209 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.039 area from the the living room dining room. There's an 210 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:04.759 old house with like the fourth oldest house in Arcada. 211 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:07.559 So and everyone told us it was haunted, but it 212 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.120 made so much noise all the time anyways that you know, 213 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:14.519 stuff settles and temperature changes. You know, there's pops and 214 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.320 all that kind of sounds. And so I never I 215 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.240 never listened to people and they say those places wanted. 216 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:21.639 I can feel it, and I was like, I don't, 217 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:23.240 I don't know. This seems fine to me. And then 218 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.399 after being there for several years, it was moving out 219 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.039 and I was actually unloading my shotgun, you know, put 220 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.759 it in the truck and move it. And as I 221 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.639 was unloading it, I see the my bedroom door look 222 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:38.000 out into the dining room right where it went into 223 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:40.519 the living room. I mean it in the kitchen area. 224 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.000 The kitchener had like a like a ten foot wide doorway, 225 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.720 you know, so we had an old quilt pinned up 226 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:47.960 over that to keep the heat in the living room 227 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:50.240 and dining area where we hung out because the kitchen 228 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.480 was big and kind of drafty. And I was sitting 229 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:55.360 there and all of a sudden I saw it when 230 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:59.080 I like, it looked like a uh like just someone 231 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:03.000 like whatever. All it was just all black, like a shadow. Yeah, 232 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.679 that curtain lifted up and the shadow went through like 233 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:06.960 where the curtain looked up, it went through, and I 234 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.399 was like, I thought it was like someone saw that 235 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:11.279 thought the house was empty because we were moving out, 236 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.120 but came into sea or something. I didn't know what 237 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.159 it was. And I had my shot and I ran 238 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:19.279 out and DD he was barking and charging out and 239 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.120 my next onever was flushing his engine on his on 240 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:25.320 his outboard. Right there, Bo was there, and I said, dude, 241 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:28.120 I go, and he's like, no one's, no one's here. 242 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.080 And I ran and looked down through the field and 243 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:32.320 there was there was no one there. And I was 244 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.080 like they must all they went into the bathroom. So 245 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.559 I got DJ we ran back in the house because 246 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.039 he could go off the kitchen into the bathroom, and 247 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:40.600 there's a pantry in there, and I thought, it's in 248 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:42.679 the pantry of the bathroom, and I ran and there 249 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.039 was no one in there, and I thought, well, they 250 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:46.320 must have circled back through the house and there was 251 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.120 nobody there. And then a couple years that I've heard 252 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:52.399 about the shadow people whatever you like, people like there's 253 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.000 just a silhouette of a black shadow and that's I 254 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.919 guess what I saw. It was. It was perplexing and refuddling, 255 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:02.240 but it wasn't like scary. 256 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.759 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I mean, 257 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.799 because not all ghost things or whatever are scary. 258 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:08.080 Right. 259 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:09.960 Sometimes it's like, what the heck was that? Then you 260 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:12.120 realize later that shouldn't have been there. I've even heard 261 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.159 of Bigfoot reports like that where they thought it was 262 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.120 a person or whatever, and then later on was wait, 263 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.720 that wasn't a person. You just thought it was something normal, 264 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:23.159 which is probably the first instinct of most people. Stay 265 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:26.279 tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo 266 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.240 will be right back after these messages. 267 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:38.000 I did have one. Another weird thing happened the time 268 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:42.480 I saw I remember it was December two thousand and one, 269 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.559 and I was staying at the Volcanhouse on North Shore, 270 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.360 a walk who read a pipeline and one of the 271 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.320 guys lived in, This guy Brucey Brews, iarns he won 272 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:54.799 the pipe Maasters. That day there was this huge party 273 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.240 and so it's just going richter. And then that night 274 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.080 I was outside because it started getting pretty dark and 275 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.879 like real bad energy, like really batter. There was like 276 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.080 a bunch of fights, and then so I was outside 277 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:10.480 with this guy Kai Kayborg. He was like two time 278 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.879 super heavyweight street fighting Chapion of the world down in Rio. 279 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.440 It was him and this guy Sunny Garcia, who was 280 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.519 like this. He was a really well known kind of 281 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.360 Hawaiian guy, like he'd win the world title like the 282 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.879 year before or two years before, something like that for 283 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:27.039 a pro server. He was a big, pretty buff dude. 284 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.080 He was. He was a known tough guy whatever. And 285 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:31.360 so the three of us are sitting out there talking 286 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:34.600 and we were like going, Madison's getting pretty ugly in there, 287 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.159 and Ty was getting ready to throw everybody out. So 288 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:39.679 we're sitting and I'm looking I had my back to 289 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.879 the house looking at the ocean, and Ty was forty. 290 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.200 He was like a nine yearree angle from the beach 291 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.720 looking he was looking down like up up the beach, 292 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.679 looking east. And then Sonny was he had his back 293 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.320 to the ocean looking at the party, then be off 294 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.840 to like Sonny's left shoulder on the right side, on 295 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.480 my right. In the bushes, it's just a small space 296 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:03.519 like maybe twelve feet wide, like fifteen feet at the most, 297 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.840 like twelve feet or some bushes there along between the 298 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.080 sand and the and the where it drops off down 299 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:11.639 on the beach from the property. There's there's still about 300 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.799 twelve foot space. And in those bushes, I swear to 301 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:18.279 you also there's like three heads just kind of like materialized. 302 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:20.840 They were all kind of brown, like what were they 303 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.559 almost see through looking, but they were like three or 304 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:25.679 four times the size of a normal human head. They were. 305 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:27.879 They were big. They were probably like you know, two 306 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:30.480 foot by like you know, twenty four by eighteen inches 307 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:32.639 or something like that, you know, something like that. And 308 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:36.120 they were all like touching each other like three dots 309 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.559 like a pyramid shape almost like like a pyramid tilted 310 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:41.840 on its side. I guess thereic cahunas whatever. So that 311 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:43.639 was a hay out. That was a hay out they sacrifice. 312 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:45.759 Wherever we were standing was a hayout. They used to 313 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:50.600 sacrifices there. What's a hayout like a temple old Hawaiian 314 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:55.600 temple area. So I go, no way, I'm like, there's 315 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.879 some ghost heads and I don't I don't think even looks. 316 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.240 He just goes and Sunny just started chanting, dude, and 317 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.639 I guess I guess what he was singing. It was 318 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.559 like a chant was he was saying, I'm Sunny from 319 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.960 the this and this family line, and you chant out 320 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:14.080 like your your back of your family lineage and who 321 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:18.320 your family vanquished, because those might be ghosts of someone 322 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.799 that your family killed, that you killed them. It's not 323 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:22.960 like you got to be scared because your family killed them. 324 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:25.279 Is like we're more powerful than you, Like this is 325 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:27.639 my family line, Like whatever your family line is, you're 326 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:30.240 not as powerful with my family line. It's kind of 327 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.320 like how I guess he explained it later, but like 328 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:36.080 he started chanting like like these Hawaiian I didn't I 329 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:37.320 didn't know what the hell I was saying, I guess 330 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.279 it was mostly just names. They sayd the son of 331 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:42.320 the son of that. And then ty Tony closed your 332 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:43.960 eyes and looked down. They both had their eyes closed 333 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.919 looking down, and I did. And then I those my 334 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:49.639 eyes and looked down. I waited about thirty th I 335 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:51.279 opened up my looks and go, they're still there. He like, 336 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.480 close your eyes and look down, and he just didn't 337 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.600 say nothing, and Sonny was doing his little pant thing. 338 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:01.120 Then I closed my eyes for like another thirty seconds. 339 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.679 I opened him again. They were gone. Yeah, so that's 340 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:07.039 the only time I've ever seen the ghosts. Really. Yeah. 341 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.679 I thought I saw a second shuttle Man in Ohio, 342 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:12.559 but that turned out to not be a shadow man. 343 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:17.879 Yeah, that was actually a Sasquatch. Yeah, that was That 344 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.320 was pretty funny. I remember I went to the You 345 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.679 were in the suv at the time because you'd already 346 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:26.919 finished your interview, and I go, bobes Man, there's a dude. 347 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:29.039 You go, Clive, I think I saw a shadow man. 348 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.039 What there shadow mass? No, No, you you saw a Sasquatch. 349 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:34.639 I came here to tell you there's one here right now. 350 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:37.679 It's like shadow man. That's that's the most logical explanation, 351 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:39.399 that was a big foot man. It followed us back 352 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:40.279 to the base camp. 353 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:40.759 It was cool. 354 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.320 Yeah, Flippy had a rocks thrown at him. I heard 355 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.360 Knox while I was doing my interview. Several of the 356 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:49.840 producers got pretty close with that thing, and I know 357 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:51.840 you saw it, and a couple of other people heard 358 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.720 it and got scared out of their place and stuff. 359 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.120 And that's not paranormal, that's just the big foot stuff. 360 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:59.679 So that female preducer that smokes cigarettes, that she was 361 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.639 bad I to got and smoked away from, you know, 362 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.039 the main area. She went down by the river. She 363 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.720 thought it was messing with her, like going back and forth, rumbling, 364 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.359 mumbling and like picking rocks down in the creek. And 365 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:13.079 then it came up and walked up behind her, and 366 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:16.880 oh and she flipped out and ran and shut herself like. 367 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.279 I didn't tell anybody till till afterwards that it happened 368 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:20.599 to her. 369 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.160 Yeah, some pretty cool stuff happened off camera. And of 370 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.720 course if it doesn't happen on camera, it doesn't make 371 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.000 the show, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah, well, you know, 372 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:31.839 so you sound like you're you're dip into that the 373 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.559 weird paranormal ghost stuff happened pretty late in life. Yeah, 374 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:37.880 because I look back at my life and I don't know. 375 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:40.839 I mean when you're when you're really young, it's hard 376 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.400 to say what's real and what's not, you know, because 377 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.319 I think that the little day you look at the way, 378 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:50.880 like small small young children behave like they're clearly on 379 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.240 a different level, you know, they're they're the veil is 380 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:55.359 much thinner for them, right, It's kind of like cats, 381 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.839 you know. I do like small children, I mean like 382 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.039 two or three years old, maybe four, there are kind 383 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.759 of like cats. They see things and experience of reality 384 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.839 that the adults just simply do not, Right. So I 385 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:10.880 look back at some of the things that happened to 386 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.400 me when I was very very young, and I would 387 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:17.279 venture a guess I was three or four years old, 388 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:19.519 and I don't know what's real. I assume a lot 389 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:21.480 of this stuff isn't real. But I had some very 390 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.440 weird things happen to be back then. One of the 391 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:27.759 earliest memories I have is being at the end of 392 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:29.640 the hallway. We had a long hallway in my house, 393 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:31.920 you know, connected all three of the bedrooms in some 394 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.519 various ways to the living room and stuff. I remember. 395 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:37.160 I don't even know how young I was. Again, this 396 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.319 is one of my earliest foggy I do remember being 397 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.079 in my crib. I have a couple weird memories of 398 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.400 being in my crib. Cheese that just reminded me of 399 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.079 another one. Yeah, I'll tell you that one first. I 400 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:50.680 do remember lying in my crib. And again, I don't 401 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:52.559