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Speaker 1: What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I may have,

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the improbable.

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Speaker 2: Must be true?

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Speaker 3: Then it is not a question of the libero cultism

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all a touch of mysticism is today it.

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Speaker 2: Is Empires as a host of them souls, telophaps, my father,

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spirit dude for a certain termed or the night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the old gods aunt dead and what is the

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true God when he's dead?

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Speaker 2: You can't complain.

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Speaker 3: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause

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to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,

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it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy

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wymy stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody is Desire in Alamborough as the host of

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the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show to the

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Paranormal UK Radio network. And this is where I get

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the brain block every time. I don't know why, but

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Mark Johnson's with me.

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Speaker 4: It's introducing your co host. It's just like one of

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those unimportant things that you just you know, struggle to remember.

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's just like everything just shuts for

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that second. It's like, oh, I forget, No, No, it's

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not that I forget. It's just like someone's closed the

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door for a few minutes, for a few seconds, you know,

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as if I don't know what it is, Mark, I

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really don't know. But it's been happening now far and

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off for ten years, isn't.

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Speaker 4: It pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think it's just what makes you special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the point is right. Ever since you told

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me that your aunts used to call you Marco Farcal,

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I always I want to call you Marcael Farkele instead

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of Mark Johnson, because I think that's a lovely name. MARKL. Farkley.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was cute when I was five.

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Speaker 1: Well it's cute. It is cute now, you know, Mark

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Le Farkel. So when I get to the point of

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introducing you, it kind of jumps onto my tongue and

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then I have to freeze, as just freeze for a

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few minutes, because, you know, to get back where I

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was meant to be getting bound in mind. I'm waffling. Okay,

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come on, let's introduce it.

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Speaker 4: I guess Okay. Well, our guest tonight.

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Speaker 5: Has had not only a lot of his own paranormal experiences,

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but he is the publisher of a new paranormal magazine,

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over in the UK called a nigmazine. So we want

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to welcome Neil Armstrong to the program. How are you

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doing tonight, Neil?

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Speaker 2: Hi Mark and I mean very well, thank you very much,

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glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Unpleased. Okay, So you're going to talk to us and

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tell us about how you started this magazine, Neil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So I've been in publishing general publishing all

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my careers since since I was twenty I guess twenty

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twenty one, and started as a jobbing journalist and a

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magazine writer, and then working on magazines and kind of

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work your way up become editor, and then I went

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that sort of thing, and I have a creative agency business.

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But I've always published, and we've done all sorts of

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different types of magazines over the years. From starting off

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in you know, computer game magazines, I've done general lifestyle magazines,

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high end stuff, celebrity stuff, and I've done every type

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of magazine and papers from you know, the local paper

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that goes through the door to high end, nice glossy

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magazines that you might find in airports or in this

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case W. H. Smith and Tescos and stuff like that,

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and the kind of supernatural stuff has always intrigued me.

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And I've also was worked as part of the team

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that launched Encounters magazine in the UK in the nineties.

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then it was Alien Encounters, and then it became I

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think after my time Uri Gella's Encounters. But that same

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that we want to cover. So it's not just about paranormal, supernatural,

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alien type stuff, but also about a wider anything that's

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interesting and mysterious or unknown or as yet unproven. So

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quite a wide remit because I think if you're curious

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about one aspect of the unknown, you're likely to be

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process of bringing a magazine out that covers all of

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first issue as as we speak, is still on sale

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Speaker 1: I went all through the magazines in Tesco. No, it

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wasn't there. I haven't been into Carmarthen yet to go

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Speaker 1: So whether it will still be on the shelf because

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these things down here, you don't see much of the

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paranormal magazines down there, so when they do get out

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onto the shelves, they get snatched up pretty quick.

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that we've had and when they've gone, I mean they've

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of the northwestern Scotland. I think that didn't get it

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on time, so the next one comes out March twentieth.

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news agents, and it's also available for their online news

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agent that you can order magazines from, but we also

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as well. You don't have to buy the print version.

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cheapest way of doing it is a PDF version which

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comes through your inbox. But the yeah, it's it's it's

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magazine's general mainstream popularity. So you know, it went very well.

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sales or something in that first issue, so you know,

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Canada and Australia. We're in discussions with people to start

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, See, I don't like a physical magazine, especially

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if it's a paranormal one. I like it physical, especially

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in the summer. So you sit out in the garden,

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you've got guars of wine, you've got the magazine. It's

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no use taking a computer out like because you can't

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see the screen because of sunshine. So you know, and

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hot sunny day when it can be set in the

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up there reading the magazine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you absolutely. I mean, I'm a

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magazine called Match Weekly. I used to get a Smash Hits.

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which wasn't the it wasn't the broadcaster, it was it

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was just a brilliant general interest kind of lifestyle magius

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to get that every two weeks. So when I went

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and it is sad that they have dropped off slightly,

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but they still have an audience and that audience is

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dedicated and an actual fact, it's not really the Internet

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that's put paid to to magazines. It's more the fact

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that I mean that there was a lot of there's

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a lot of trauma over the COVID years, and that

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marketplace since. So that's a third of people that would

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buy magazines before COVID are not buying magazines now, and

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the industry doesn't think they're going to come back. So

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news stand. But in general terms, subscriptions are up. You know,

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and a Haunted magazine, both very good magazines in this

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good and vibrant, so you know you in fact, it's

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difficult it is to find Enigmas in the in the shops.

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many months or years, which is a pity.

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for some reason or the only could only read it online.

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whether they are or not, I don't know.

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minded and you're into these sorts of subjects, then you

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know why not that they're not you know, massively expensive

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to buy a subscription, get it sent to you. It

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it when you get there. But the good part of

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it's about drawing in new people. Because one of the

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get into a subject, and you know, we become curious

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about parts of the unknown, of the paril normal at

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different parts and different moments in our lives. And you know,

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it might draw new people into the subject matter. And

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of the many of the different subjects within the whole

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unknown realm, and then drill down into some of them.

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read this book, go and have a look at this

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film or this documentary or listen to these podcasts if

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you're interested to find out more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you think of that?

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Speaker 4: Mark?

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Speaker 1: It's great, I'll get it. You've got no Tescos.

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Speaker 5: Now, now I could always get the online version now,

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Speaker 4: Now we have a Enigma zine.

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Speaker 5: What really draws you into doing a magazine on the paranormal?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, as I think it's interesting. So

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looking at this wall of magazines and finding nothing that

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interest to me. And that sort of got me thinking

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a little bit about there must be lots of people

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who are not interested in all of that. That the

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thousands of magazines about life's mainstream and you know, there's

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very little alternative thought magazines out there. So that was

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that was one of the things that that that made

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me think about bringing out or getting involved in bringing

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out a paranormal or unknown or unexplained type of magazine. Secondly,

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I like that type of content anyway. The podcasts that

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I listened to tend to be in and around those subjects,

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the the books that are tend to be in and

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around those subjects, and also the documentaries that I watch.

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So I'm interested in and I'm naturally curious and open

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minded to a lot of stuff, to most things, and

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I think there's a lot of people like me that

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are interested. And then third is that they are these

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subjects are not They are kind of niche, but I

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think they've been in the mainstream forever, but they're not

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taken that seriously. So you know, Hollywood spends billions of

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dollars every year making films about hauntings and about UFOs

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and about aliens and about mystery. Yet you know, you

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look at you look at the the news stand, and

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there's there's nothing really talking about it. So all of

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those things added to the fact that I have had

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some unexplained encounters in my life myself that that I,

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you know, have happened to me, and I've I love

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reading about other people's experiences as well, and I get

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the final point is that I think through certainly in

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the UK, through things like Uncanny and the stuff that

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Danny Robbins has been doing bringing some of the ghostly

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stuff more into the mainstream, has kind of and and

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filling theaters with people that are interested in that as well,

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which is either thing that you know Danny is doing

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with a kind of live ghost show essentially means that

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there is he's either captured he's either created the audience,

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but I don't think he has. I think he's just

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captured the mood that there is an audience that is

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happy to be taking down that paranormal route. So that

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there is it is in the mainstream. It's just not

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catered for, and I think there's room not just for

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the three publications that we've mentioned, but probably more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that Uncanny, that program's good. Oh gosh, shame

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it's just finished again. But I'm hooked on that. I

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really am hooked on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean my wife introduced me to the

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Uncanny Podcast a couple of years ago, and yeah, it's

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really good. He's got a really nice style. A he's

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a nice bloke and he's you know that. What is

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good about it is that they are really people with

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real stories. Now, whether whether you're a believer or a

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skeptic or team believer in team skeptic, as he would say,

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these people are offering up their their stories and that

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is real. These are things that have happened to them.

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They're not making it up. So this is proper testimony.

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And that's interesting, and that will speak to other people

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that have had similar experiences. That will intrigue people. And

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the more that we talk about these things that then

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the more we might get a deeper understanding of them.

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Because it's clear that there's something happening. We don't quite

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know what it is with all of these different elements,

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but it's it's nailed on that there's something happening because

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there's so many people saying they're having these experiences, so

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and you know they're not lying. There's no point in

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making it up.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's very true. So right now, let's get

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to the nitty gritty as well. That what was your

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experience the worst experience that you've had, Well, normal.

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Speaker 2: I've had. I've had. I've had a few things through

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my life, mostly when I was when I was a kid.

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But I'll briefly tell you a couple. One of them

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was recent, so what one of them is just a

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few years ago. In fact, during the COVID kind of summer.

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I think it was twenty twenty, Yeah, twenty twenty, I think,

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or twenty twenty one. I I was ill and I

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didn't know it. I was visited by my grandmother and

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my uncle, which is very nice to see them, except

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that my grandmother had died in nineteen ninety one and

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my uncle in nineteen eighty five or nineteen eighty six,

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and they they came and told me that I had

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something that was seriously wrong with me and I needed

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to seek medical attention. It turned out because there was

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no pain, and I did feel a bit a bit weird.

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But I had an infection previously, the first infection of

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my life, which didn't go away even though I took

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a full course of antibiotics. And when I had this visitation,

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I essentially had sepsis and I didn't know it, and

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because of that intervention, I ended up getting medical attention,

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getting into the hospital, and then I was in intensive

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care and was in hospital for six days. And had

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I done what I was going to do, which was

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go home and just sleep it off, and then that

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wouldn't add a woken up dead, if you know what

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I mean. So that's a recent, a recent one. I've

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written about that in issue one, So there's a full

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account of that in issue one of Enigmazine, and in

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issue too, I've got a slightly more sinistered one because

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you asked about what was the worst of the scariest

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one when I was. When I was a kid, and

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so I would have been around about six five or six,

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my dad died. He died young, so in fact, How'm

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older than he was when he died, So he was

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fifty one I think when he died, and I had

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an experience talking to him when I didn't know he

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was dead at the time. But what that wasn't That

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wasn't scary, But what was was that we we moved

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that summer, were in the northeast. I'm originally from County Durham, Gatewells,

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County Durham. When I was born Gateshead and we moved

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down to Yorkshire and I my mother stayed in the

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Northeast to sell the house and I moved down. We

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were going to move to Yorkshire because that's where one

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of my sisters and a husband lived, and I moved

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in there so that I could start the school term

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and then the idea would be my mother would follow afterwards.

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And it was this house in the middle of nowhere

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really in south Yorkshire, between Doncaster and Rotherham, in a

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little village called Clifton and a tiny little village. It

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is actually only you know, one small square of a

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few houses, and I had a poltergeist experience there on

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the one and only night that I stayed in this

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in the in the in this bed bedroom.

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Speaker 1: It was it was a spare so we like podcast experiences, Mark, Oh, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So although I was only you know five or something

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like that, five or six, so I it was a

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very nice place, you know generally, you know, there was

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some other kids that lived in the street. There was

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dogs and and my sister had a cat to play with,

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so you know, it wasn't it wasn't all bad. But

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the first night that stayed there, I was put into

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the spare room, which was this this tiny little room

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at the back of the house. It was a two

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bedroom house and this was this was upstairs at the back.

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I was freezing cold in there. I mean it only

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had like single single glazing, and it was it was

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I remember it, you know, being very kind of cold

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but also moist in their you know, condensation on the

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windows and that sort of thing. And I was I

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was put to bed. But back then I was I

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was mad on drawing and painting and and I've always

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kind of done that. I even do that still really,

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and I was before I would go to sleep, I

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would maybe draw, color in that sort of thing, and

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then drop off. I don't have any problem dropping off now,

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by the way, Irene absolutely love sleep, But back then

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I used to. I used to color in and draw

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and stuff like that and then fall asleep. And then

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on this particular occasion, I was sort of woken up

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by movement and the I opened my eyes and the

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the lamp was still on beside me. I hadn't switched

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it off. I'd just fallen asleep, and everything that I

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had been playing with was pretty much flying around the room.

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So there was there was the pens and the pencils

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and the pad and the protractor and the ruler were

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basically swirling around the bedroom, this small bedroom, in the air,

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and it was really, really, really scary, and I tried

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to call out and I couldn't. I couldn't make a sound.

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Vividly remember a pair of green plastic scissors just coming

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past my eyes move moving, you know, cut in the

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air in front of me.

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Speaker 1: Reminds me, Oh, sorry, Mark, just one thing. This is

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the thing with polar guys. You know, I've had a

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lot of polagalist activity and I've investigated a lot over

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the years. But that's when something's thrown. It's always seems

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to be thrown to miss you close, but miss you

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and this stuff swirling around, scissors right in front of

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your eyes, you know, mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't actually hitting me or or

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anything like that, but I did I did feel I

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recall feeling a kind of push on my arm as well,

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on the on the on my left arm. And then

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I eventually, after you know, a few seconds, managed to

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find what I could move and I was out of

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there like a shot and straight into my uh, straight

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into my sister's and bedroom because she had gone to bed.

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I think her husband was away on on night shift,

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so she was she was in there reading And that

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was the last night that I stayed in that back room.

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But I had to stay there. I had to stay

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there for a couple of months before my my mother

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moved back down. I never went back into that room.

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My my sister actually that I stayed with on that occasion,

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she's she's she's actually dead now, bless her. But she

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I remember speaking to her a few years ago about it.

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You know, we were just we were just chilling out.

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One one day, I visited her wherever she was and

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I said, you know, do you remember that that house

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in Clifton And she was like, oh my god, I said,

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do you do you remember the night that that that

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I came in, ran in and to you And she's said, yeah,

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I remember it really well. She said, I went into

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the room and I found all of your stuff all

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over the place, but there was nothing flying around or anything.

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I mean also, the I remember also the curtains were

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kind of wafting in the air and stuff like that,

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but the window was shut. Anyway, she said she remembers

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that night but she also then recounted to me all

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sorts of experiences that she'd had in the house as well.

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And there was things. There was lots of things like

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possessions going missing and then turning up on the window

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in the back room, the room where I was, and

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the and again this is this is in the in

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the magazine and in issue too. I tell this story.

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She said, on the day they moved out, or a

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couple of days or a few days before they moved out.

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That's right. There's two parts of this bit. She was

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having a conversation with one of the neighbors who had

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told her that there was a a few years ago,

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there was there was a guy who was kind of reclusive,

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and he was also a bit of a hoarder, and

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he used to live all of the all of the

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rooms in the house were full of junk, and he

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just used to live in this back room and that's

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where he died. And that was that was the room

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that I had the experience in. But he was was

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he died, and he wasn't found for several weeks because

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he was he was a kind of nobody. He didn't

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have any friends or anything like that. He was found by.

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It was a cancel house, so he back in the back.

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In these those days used to have rent collectors that

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used to come around and get your rent in cash.

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And he was found by a council rent collector who

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was who was owed lots of back rent. But she

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she she said the bizarrest thing that happened, and she

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had heard footsteps upstairs in the room. The cat would

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never go in that room and would hiss at it,

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hiss at the door. She had heard footsteps. She had

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things that were moving around the house from one location

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to another, though she never saw anything moving on its own.

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But she said the bizarrest thing was the day that

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they moved out, so they had a van booked in

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the morning, they packed up all of the house and

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they were moving to another local village called Edlington, and

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they had packed up the house and everything was basically

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downstairs in the kitchen in boxes, and they woke up

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in the morning and all of the boxes were open

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and they'd all been sealed shut, and that was bizarre.

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And then they put everything in the van and they

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went around checking, just doing a final check on the

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house to see if there was anything left that they

475
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,039
missed anything just to make sure that the house was

476
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:07,160
completely empty. And they found this blue toolbox in the

477
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,200
back room on the window sill. And it wasn't theirs.

478
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:13,160
They'd never seen it before. It was a It was

479
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,720
a rusty blue toolbox with tools inside it. And they

480
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,279
they they were like, well, how did that get there?

481
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:30,720
And yeah, so the the apparently the guy used to

482
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:35,400
do up, used to be a mechanic and used to

483
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,079
mend things. He actually had a pit dug in the

484
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:43,240
gardens and an inspection pit and would always have tools

485
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:46,240
at the back, at the back door and all over

486
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:50,519
the and all over the house. Again, that's what one

487
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:54,599
of the neighbors had told them. So yeah, and I

488
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,839
I mean I was right. I was remembering this and

489
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,039
writing the story, and I mean I've been near that

490
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,920
area on many many occasions, and I haven't got the

491
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,480
courage to go and have a look at the house.

492
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,880
And it was even freaky just looking at the pictures

493
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,800
on Google Earth of the house which is still there.

494
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,440
So one day and now that I've got a paranormal magazine,

495
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,599
maybe I'll go and knock on the door and ask

496
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,639
if they've had any experiences there. But it was certainly

497
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,519
scary for me, A.

498
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: Big good idea. Mark. I'm sorry I interrupted you just

499
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:35,679
now I see I saw your eyes roll ah.

500
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 5: Well, you know it's funny when you said that. You know,

501
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,719
you're it's freaky for you to think about going back there,

502
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,599
and for someone like me, I'd be like, oh, I'd

503
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:50,800
be back there in two seconds. So you know, but

504
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,880
I've also been investigating for a long time. We did

505
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,760
it just briefly. We did a case in October here

506
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,079
in New Jersey and it was kind.

507
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: Of a wild night.

508
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: There was a lot of energy.

509
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,079
Speaker 5: We had a lot of b vps, some things that

510
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:08,360
didn't feel so good.

511
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 4: Even caught a partial apparition on camera and the.

512
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:18,559
Speaker 5: But you know, that's one of those places where I

513
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:23,039
could go into and doesn't bother me one bit, even

514
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,960
if I'm feeling the intense energy like that point.

515
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 3: We done.

516
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,159
Speaker 1: We've done one over here, didn't we We've done the

517
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:30,880
pub when you came over to visit me.

518
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that that one, well, that.

519
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: Was there's too many people in there that night.

520
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,039
Speaker 4: You know, we were all partying.

521
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 5: How can you do an investigation when you're partying?

522
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: This is it? You know, the area where we were

523
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,559
it was empty, but in the snug they were kind

524
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:53,039
of celebrating after time sort of thing.

525
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, and sound travels so I contamination. Yeah, but you

526
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:02,840
know that that pub that's just down the road for

527
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,760
Myrenes is really a fascinating place called the Mansis Arms.

528
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,840
Wasn't it voted the best public?

529
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,039
Speaker 1: Yes, just that I have after ass and you just

530
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:20,280
let the namail. Well, well they don't have after as

531
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,480
now they've got new landlord.

532
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

533
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: Well at the time they did.

534
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,519
Speaker 5: But you know, it's a beautiful old pub and the

535
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:33,360
first time we went there to have lunch, the uh,

536
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:37,320
that's when we saw they have big glasses hung on

537
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,079
hooks going all the way around the bar. And as

538
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,920
we're sitting there, we just looked over and there's one

539
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,360
glass just swinging back and forth all on its own. Now,

540
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,000
somebody would have bumped it, you know, through friction, it

541
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:52,960
eventually would settle.

542
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: Down and stop. No, this damn thing kept going for

543
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:56,159
I don't know a few minutes.

544
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: The strange thing about it, it wasn't it hitting the

545
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,280
is either side of it.

546
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,599
Speaker 4: No. No, I did see the glass next to.

547
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 5: It in the video that I have moved a little bit,

548
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,400
but stopped quickly but that one just it just kept.

549
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,639
Speaker 4: Going and going and going like the energizer bunny.

550
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,079
Speaker 2: M Well, for me, I'm not I'm not scared. I

551
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:20,320
don't get scared easy.

552
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: But because you were a six year old boy.

553
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:29,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that experience was vivid and really really, really

554
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,599
really scared me at the time. I've kind of got

555
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:37,480
a reticence and and and have a look at it.

556
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,760
But that's that's the only reason. And I think one

557
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,480
day I probably will pluck up the courage to go

558
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:48,239
and knock on someone's door there and ask them. But yeah,

559
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,480
it was, it was. It was freaky. So I think

560
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,800
for me, those those and I've had some you know less,

561
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:04,039
you know less important, but yet it's still unexplainable things

562
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:09,159
that have happened to me. Ghosts and potential and certainly

563
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,000
visits by dead relatives have happened two or three times

564
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,280
to me. Actually, but this this the one, the one

565
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,039
where where they said there was something wrong with me

566
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:24,880
and I should get medical attention. That that was an

567
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,920
interesting one for me because, as I tell you the story,

568
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,239
it's that's exactly what happened to me. It was just

569
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,679
you know, four years ago, I think it happened or

570
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,960
three years ago, so it's it's like, you know, it's

571
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,760
not it's not connected with me being a kid. It's

572
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,960
real and tell you that the story absolutely as it is.

573
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,400
But whether I was actually visited by the ghost of

574
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:59,559
my dead grandmother and my uncle, or whether my sub

575
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,880
const brain knew that there was something wrong in my

576
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,880
conscious brain didn't because there was no pain and decided

577
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,840
because I would have had if you know, I had

578
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,599
blood poisoning, so my temperature would have been one hundred

579
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:15,519
and ten plus, which is where you hallucinate. So maybe

580
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:21,679
the subconscious brain used hallucinations to I don't know.

581
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,599
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

582
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,679
Speaker 2: It was something there.

583
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: No, I was visited when I was heavily pregnant with

584
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,519
my second son. I was visited by my father, who

585
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:36,519
died at fifty three years old from cancer. And he

586
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,880
was sitting on the bed and we were talking, but

587
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,119
we were not talking. We were it was esp like esp.

588
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,000
It was mine to mine, it was not mouth to mouth.

589
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,480
And he was there for quite some time, and he

590
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,320
was wearing some clothes that I had bought him from

591
00:39:53,400 --> 00:40:02,079
Pierre Garden years before before he died, and it was

592
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:05,159
so real. He was there and I sat up in bed,

593
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,800
and as soon as I said, because it had never

594
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,719
met my husband because he died before I got married,

595
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:16,320
as soon as I may have said or told him

596
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:21,039
that I wanted him to meet Brian, right, and I

597
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,840
started to nudge Brian to try and wake him up.

598
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,239
That's when my father just disappeared. But I swear blind

599
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,920
to this day he was on that bed.

600
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: Yes, there's no doubt that he was. And there's no

601
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,960
doubt absolutely that that that's what you saw. All I'm

602
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,079
all I'm saying for me is is I absolutely saw

603
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,800
my grand my grandmother, and my nana was and she

604
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,079
spoke to me, and she you know, she wasn't see through.

605
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,320
She was you know, she wasn't floating, she was she

606
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,239
was just there like like one of the last times

607
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,559
I would have seen her. And and and you know,

608
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:08,000
for me, I definitely was jolted into action. And I

609
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,719
didn't tell my wife because this happened down at the

610
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,079
beach during the during in the morning, by the way,

611
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:19,320
this visitation, and my wife and daughter were swimming in

612
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,960
the sea while while while it happened, and so when

613
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,719
they returned, I just said, look, I'm feeling really ill

614
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,360
and I want to try and get back and maybe

615
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,960
get some sleep, and it was it was really my wife.

616
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,480
That's that. When we did get back, thought let's be

617
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:39,599
on the safe side, ring NHS one one one and

618
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:43,320
get some advice, and then an ambulance came out, et cetera.

619
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,239
But without the intervention. Be it, be it something in

620
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:54,320
the mind, be actual visitation and paranormal whatever, the truth,

621
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,400
the result is the same, which is some action was taken.

622
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,159
I was, I was made aware of a situation, some

623
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,599
action was taken, and essentially I'm alive to tell the tale.

624
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,840
So that's you know.

625
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: The strange thing about this is this is a message

626
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,199
to you right about your health. But my father, he

627
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,159
sat there and told me that my son, I was

628
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,320
going to have a son and he would be born

629
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:26,199
within three days, which he was right. So of course

630
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:30,679
he was named after my father. But I am convinced

631
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,199
it was my father. But something in the back of

632
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:36,440
my mind, after doing all this work in the paranormal

633
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,159
first what I'm not going to say how many years,

634
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,360
but a lot longer than you've been born a right,

635
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,199
I now wonder whether this message, this messenger was something

636
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,840
in disguise of my father like an alien being or

637
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,880
somebody that could clone themselves to look like my father

638
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:03,920
so that I would be relaxed, and some messenger from somewhere.

639
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,079
Speaker 5: You know, it's fascinating to me that you've mentioned that,

640
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:11,039
because that's something that I've thought about.

641
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: To keep an open mind about it now.

642
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, because these there's so many encounters people have. I mean,

643
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,639
especially if you start talking about people who had near

644
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,119
death experiences and who they supposedly see and meet, and

645
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,239
even in UF abduction cases is screen memories. It's you

646
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,159
think you're meeting or talking with a person, and it

647
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,800
may not be the really the person, you know, but

648
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,719
that's what they're projecting in order to put you at ease.

649
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: That's right, you know, since over the years, now I'm

650
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,880
beginning to wonder whether I did. I was convinced it

651
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,440
was my dad.

652
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,079
Speaker 2: You know.

653
00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: Well, I've still got to keep that open mind it

654
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,840
but you know, well, you know what I do, Mark,

655
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,079
You know who I am. Not many people do, because

656
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,199
it's kept secret who I am more or less. But

657
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:22,719
I have so much information about this stuff. Really, it's unbelievable.

658
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,840
Still in the mind. Let's get on the show. I'm

659
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,519
drifting off and waffling again.

660
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:36,679
Speaker 4: Now, Okay, I personally find it fascinating. But that's great. Well, well, Neil.

661
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,119
Speaker 1: Will listen to your teacher Grasshopper.

662
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 4: Sometimes I do.

663
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,679
Speaker 5: Yeah. So Neil with with the magazine kind of covering

664
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,920
basically a little bit of everything, trying to, you know,

665
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:58,400
bring a more broader approach. Is there a particular subject

666
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,880
that would fall under the paranormal banner that you personally

667
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:08,039
find more fascinating than maybe others?

668
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: Well, funny during the research for this, So a little

669
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,760
bit of other background is that when I started to

670
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,719
kind of take the paranormal a bit more seriously as

671
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,480
an interest again, was probably six or seven years ago,

672
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:32,800
and I started to read quite a lot of books

673
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,239
and online references, and that's when I started to listen

674
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,400
to some podcasts and kind of got right back into

675
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,400
the wide kind of subject matter. And then was researching

676
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,199
for a couple of things. So one of them because

677
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:51,079
I've written a couple of books as well. So I've

678
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:57,960
written a book about time slips called a Time Slip Phenomenon,

679
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:02,480
and I've just written a book which is both of

680
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:07,239
these are available on the website or on Amazon called

681
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:14,760
Ghostly Encounters and phenomena. And while I've been researching for

682
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,599
those researching and for the magazine and all of the

683
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,679
articles that we've got planned in the future, one of

684
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,960
the things that is particularly intriguing to me is time

685
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:33,039
slips and the time travel phenomenon and and the possibilities

686
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:41,320
of that. And right, yeah, I mean time slips. I

687
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,920
mean I've never had I've never experienced a time slip.

688
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,440
I have, what was your experience?

689
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there's lots of different ones. Have a lot

690
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:54,280
of different ones. There's some in my book. We've talked

691
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,800
about a lot of them on the show, and we

692
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,199
are one famous one that I talk a lot, or

693
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,719
we talk a lot, but on the show is my

694
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,519
son in London was there was this big, old empty

695
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:10,280
house and his boss had bought it, big massive old house,

696
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,000
and my son was put in there to do certain

697
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:15,760
work in there, and he said that he could have

698
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,639
a couple of rooms for himself to live in while

699
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:23,840
he was doing the work. And Jamie used to come

700
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,519
home and he used to tell me that. But every

701
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:28,360
time he went out with his girlfriend at the night,

702
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,760
if he came back late, there'd be this woman standing

703
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,480
at the top of this big spiral staircase kind of

704
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,679
looking at him and one thing or another. But what

705
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:41,960
happened when he took me and my husband round the

706
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:46,239
house when we went to visit in one day, to

707
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,400
show us all these different rooms and what he'd been

708
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,280
doing in these rooms, And we ended up in the

709
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:57,639
attic where the servants used to live, and it was

710
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,079
just an empty attic. There was a blanket fixed or

711
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,039
seemed to be fixed to the floor. Looked like a

712
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,000
blanket box to me. It was a wooden box. And

713
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:09,679
that's about all that was in these in these rooms

714
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,559
up in the attic they you know, it was it

715
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:16,480
was obvious that they had been where servants in the

716
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:22,559
day had been living and sleeping. And they went to

717
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:26,039
walk out of the attic to go back to the

718
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,239
staircase to go downstairs. And as I got close to

719
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,199
the door to leave this specific room we were in,

720
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,039
I saw this woman and she was dressed as a

721
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,199
head what the headhouse house person, do you know what

722
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:44,559
I mean?

723
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

724
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:53,119
Speaker 1: And like a housekeeper, Yeah she was. I just knew

725
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:55,440
she was the housekeeper. She wasn't a maid or anything

726
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,800
that she was the housekeeper. And I just looked at her,

727
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,119
and she looked at me, and she saw me, and

728
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,840
that's there was. We connected in that split second between us,

729
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,239
and then my son, are you coming, mum? And that

730
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,400
was the end of it. And I just went outside

731
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,880
and we went back downstairs. But I know she saw me,

732
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,320
how she saw me, whether she saw me as like

733
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,239
a ghost, and I saw her as clear as anything.

734
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,639
I can even tell. I can even remember what she

735
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,960
looks like now, color of her hair, the clothes she wore, everything.

736
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: Could you get an idea what time period she might

737
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:39,000
have been from.

738
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,519
Speaker 1: She was eighteen hundred, late eighteen hundreds, I should imagine.

739
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: And it was clear that she had seen you.

740
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was shocked.

741
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's interesting.

742
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: You see that she was shot. The shock on her face.

743
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,719
Obviously there was a shock on my face. But I

744
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,320
wasn't facing the door. It was just as I was

745
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,679
going to go towards the door, and I saw her

746
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:12,840
like she'd come in. And we stopped and we stood

747
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,159
there and we looked at each other and both of

748
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,639
us mouth wide. O't sort of thing shocked?

749
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,039
Speaker 4: Was she solid or see through?

750
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,119
Speaker 1: She was clear to me. I don't know how you

751
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,679
can explain solid or see through. You know, it's not

752
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,440
a person. She wasn't see through. She wasn't see through.

753
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:38,280
She was clear like somebody that just walked in there.

754
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:40,360
Whether I would have been able to touch her, No,

755
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,840
I don't think I would have been able to touch her.

756
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,599
But she was as clear as a bell. Yeah, so

757
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,920
clear as me looking at you two on this on

758
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,159
this screen now.

759
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,559
Speaker 2: So that that you know time sling. Yeah, the you

760
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,760
know they are. There are different varieties of them, and the.

761
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:08,199
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you another one. Crystal Palace were my other.

762
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,679
My boyfriend at the time lived in a big, old

763
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:16,760
Victorian house in Crystal Palace with his parents, and I've

764
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,960
moved in with him. I've been there for some time

765
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:22,400
and this particular day, i'd been out in the garden

766
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,880
some bathing, come back in. Everybody was out of the house.

767
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,360
There was no one in the house. And I went

768
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,159
into the room, a room that I normally go into,

769
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,280
and as I steped open the door went to step

770
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,039
in the room, the whole roomor changed. It wasn't the

771
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,760
decor and everything that I knew, It was completely different.

772
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:49,559
And in those few split seconds, I just took it

773
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:54,280
all in and then I looked down at my feet

774
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,719
and I saw my shoes and with that the whole

775
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:05,719
thing went back to what I should be. So that

776
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:11,119
was another one. Yeah, I've known some of them, absolutely

777
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:13,360
loads of them, you know.

778
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:19,519
Speaker 2: But how about how about you? Mark? Have you had

779
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:24,440
any time slipper experiences?

780
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,559
Speaker 5: Only if I drank too much and that was in

781
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:34,360
my younger days. No, I've never really experienced time slip

782
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,159
or loss of time or anything like that. Uh, it's

783
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:42,079
a subject that fascinates me. And that's one thing Ireena

784
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,920
and I have talked about her experiences before, especially with

785
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:55,679
the the housekeeper head housekeeper who you know, there's always

786
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:59,400
been the debate when people see a ghost or they think,

787
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,079
oh it's somebody who's died and they don't know they've

788
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,280
passed on and they're still doing their work.

789
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,599
Speaker 4: YadA, YadA, YadA. You know. They everybody recycled. She saw me.

790
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm saying is this, it's in this

791
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,599
state where and this is exactly what a time slip

792
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,920
would be, since time is more fluid and not linear.

793
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:24,760
That I always felt that you and her were both

794
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,719
very much alive in your time periods, living breathing human beings,

795
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,159
but the conditions were right that you were able to

796
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:33,760
see each other.

797
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not only then that there's also other things

798
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,599
where I've seen things hundreds of thousands of miles away,

799
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:49,159
you know, And it's just absolutely impossible when I don't

800
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,440
leave the house to experience what to explain what I've experienced.

801
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,599
But I can tell you what was going on here

802
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,440
and what was going on there. And you know, I

803
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:06,280
contacted you early in the morning. I said, look, make

804
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,559
notes of this. This is what's happened to me. Make

805
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:09,440
notes of it. Mark.

806
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, whether something's happened to you, or even you know

807
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,679
some dreams that you've had, Yeah, yeah, trying to keep

808
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,599
track of all those.

809
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: Because then the thing, the thing that got me into

810
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,280
time slips, even though I've not had one myself, is

811
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,880
a few years ago I was in a dinner party

812
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:40,360
with friend of mine and he told me of a

813
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,360
time slip that he'd had. And I'd never really even

814
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,639
heard of time slips before before that, but it was

815
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:52,239
his story that kind of intrigued me, and then I

816
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,159
started to research time slips and then put the put

817
00:54:56,159 --> 00:55:01,840
the book together. But it was that was one of

818
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,400
those ones like you've kind of described, where there is

819
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:14,159
interaction between the viewer and and a being in seeming

820
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,679
to be in this this other time. So my guy,

821
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,000
my mates called Barry Barry Field and his his story

822
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:27,320
is actually in My Time Slip book. But essentially he

823
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:32,400
was working at the time, he was in Wales. He

824
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:38,079
was working at this place in Wales, and at the

825
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:41,880
at lunch time, he used to go out for a

826
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:48,119
walk and you know, go out into the country because

827
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:51,159
it was fairly rural around where where he was working.

828
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,840
And this one particular lunchtime he walked and he thought

829
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,039
to himself that it was a bit overgrown suddenly. And

830
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:02,639
he would walk this path, you know, five days a week,

831
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:08,400
and so it looked slightly different to him. And as

832
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,920
he sort of came around the corner, he noticed a

833
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,880
kind of old tree stump that he'd never noticed before.

834
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,239
And just beyond that there was a gate and there

835
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,440
was a man there who sort of acknowledged him, and

836
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,440
and and they started chatting. But essentially, to cut a

837
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,079
long story short, his it was about the guy who

838
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:42,000
he encountered was talking about the loss of the king

839
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:49,519
and they had they had a conversation about about King

840
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:59,840
George having just died. The guy mentioned bronchitis researching afterwards

841
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,920
that that's that's the king that died in nineteen thirty six,

842
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:07,239
but the guy that he's encountered or this person, so

843
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,880
it's not a ghost it it is genuinely a time slipper.

844
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,159
He thinks he's he's gone into the same place, he's

845
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,880
encountered this person who's in a different time and is

846
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,519
speaking from their time, and then he's moved on. He

847
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:24,679
told me this story in detail, and there were a

848
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:29,039
few more details to it, but that story really got

849
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:34,760
me thinking and started researching time slips and then found

850
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,639
out that you know, they've been happening for thousands of years,

851
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:40,679
and they happen all over the world, and there's a

852
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:45,000
growing number of accounts of them, and one of my

853
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:50,880
early ones, well, it's just the only point I was

854
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,119
just going to make was that you know, for one,

855
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:58,440
for multiple time slips just to happen to one person

856
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:02,840
is rare. I think I've come across a couple of examples,

857
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,480
but you've two or three times that's happening to the

858
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:10,760
same person, is at different times in different places. Is amazing.

859
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:16,599
Maybe that's that you you've clearly got some sort of gift.

860
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:22,559
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it might be. Yeah, it might also

861
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:26,039
be tied. Well, yeah, I've got some sort of gift.

862
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,199
Speaker 4: You don't know the half of it, Neil.

863
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,199
Speaker 2: I can. I can sort of guess, but a bit.

864
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,639
But you know, I think something there isn't there?

865
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

866
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: There is? Oh, there was. There was two i'd like

867
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,719
to tell you about. I really would like to tell

868
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:46,840
you about these two. One was when my son, my

869
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,880
second son, Billy, was only a baby in a pushchair.

870
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:54,000
You know what they're like at that age. Anyone who

871
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:59,239
walks past hello, Hello, Hello. Do you understand what I mean?

872
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,599
They just stop, do they?

873
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,239
Speaker 4: Kids?

874
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:03,599
Speaker 1: They've got to say hello to everyone where they're in

875
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:07,559
a pushchair. And I was walking through the park heading

876
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,159
to my mother's house. She lived in an old Victorian

877
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,199
station master's house. When that was built, the whole area

878
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:20,079
around there was just fields. And I was walking through

879
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,440
the park heading towards her, and I saw this little,

880
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:26,199
this old woman coming towards me. And she was dressed

881
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:32,039
in oh early Victorian clothes right down to the ground,

882
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,519
very heavy material. And it was a summer's day and

883
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,880
she was coming towards me. And I said to Billy,

884
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,000
don't talk to that lady, Okay, because I don't want

885
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,000
to get into conversation, so don't talk to the lady.

886
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:50,079
I just thought in my head she was some sort

887
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:55,360
of extra, you know, old fashioned person that you know,

888
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,239
we got loads of them living in England. What they

889
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:02,039
called ah, I forgot what they called.

890
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: Like what they're just like to dress in vintage.

891
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:14,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah and all that. Yeah. Anyway, she came towards us,

892
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:17,840
and Billy never said anything. He was just carried on

893
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,199
looking in the direction of my mother's house, because we

894
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,199
see my mother's house in the distance. And she turned

895
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:26,039
her and said, it's very lovely day here today, darling,

896
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:30,480
isn't it. I said, yeah, it's nice. She says, nice

897
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:34,039
day to be out for a walk, and I said yeah,

898
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:36,440
And she looked at me and I said, I've just

899
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,119
got to go. I've got to go to my mother's

900
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:39,639
I've got to go see my mother. I was only

901
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:44,960
a young mother myself at the time, so I scooted off. Now,

902
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,239
there was no way that this woman could have got

903
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,039
out of that part because there was railings all the

904
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:53,000
way round. The only way she could have got out

905
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,760
of the park would have been the entrance that I

906
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,400
came in. That was some distance away or the entrance

907
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,480
I was headed for to go out of the park,

908
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,599
and she didn't come back past me. I took about

909
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:06,920
five steps, turned around and looked behind me.

910
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:07,679
Speaker 4: She was gone.

911
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:12,639
Speaker 1: I got to my mum's house. She said, what's the

912
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:14,719
matter Why you look like you've seen a ghost? I said,

913
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,440
I think I have, but I now know it was

914
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,719
a time slip. Another one was when I was at school.

915
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,679
We used to skive off, me and my friend and

916
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:30,760
go up on them the downs at Riddlesdown near Croydon

917
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,199
Kenerley Way, and we were right up on the downs.

918
01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:41,320
There was this rocky footpath that went along along on

919
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,360
the top. But just before you got to the top

920
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,039
of the downs there was a bank and the footpaths

921
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:49,239
used to go long below the bank. And we were

922
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,719
chatting along there, messing around, and there was a man

923
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,760
playing some bathing and he had a shirt on, but

924
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,280
that's all the ad on was a shirt as so

925
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,360
two fourteen year old girls. We scooted back the way

926
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:10,039
we came and as we got closer there was a

927
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,320
woman in that I saw a woman in an old

928
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,880
fashioned dressed woman in the distance, and we ran part

929
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,800
of My friend ran past her and I stopped and

930
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,880
I said, don't go down there, lady. There's a man

931
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,440
and he's not got his trousers on. And she turned

932
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,519
around and said, don't ever be tempted, though, do never

933
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:33,280
be tempted. And she carried on walking towards him in

934
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:39,480
the direction that he was, and she disappeared. And when

935
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:41,239
I got to my friend, my friend said to me,

936
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:45,000
I held you up, Why did you stop? So I

937
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:48,440
was talking to that lady or lady, and I turned

938
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:55,199
around because she'd gone m And that was that's in

939
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,440
my book, that one. Yeah, I'll never forget what she said,

940
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:05,159
don't ever be tempted. Boy, I was tempted.

941
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 4: To go see the bloke with no pants.

942
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: No, not him, but there he was. He was just

943
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,679
laying up there. He had a shirt on, or a

944
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:22,119
T shirt, but he had nothing else on. He was

945
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:26,039
laying on this bank, sub bathing. And we were fourteen

946
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:28,199
at the time.

947
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,159
Speaker 4: That's really funny. Funny ha ha, funny streams.

948
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Speaker 1: I get some weird times, don't I.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, weird ones.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're just scratching the surface there too. Well, we

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are coming up on the end of the show here, so.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Mark, do you know this is this zoom. I'm

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not used to it. I can't. I don't see when

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you're talking for some reason. But I would like Neil,

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what was the name of that book again, I'd like

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to say that.

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Speaker 2: Well, was the time slip phenomenon? That is, it's on Amazon.

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It's but it's so I've written it, but it's by

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Ralph Neil Armstrong because that's my my full name, Okay,

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Ralph en Armstrong. But yeah, the the it was that

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that that piqued my interest again really and and that

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really then started not just that book and the next one,

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but also you know, a enigmazine and then also just

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finding that there's a real nice, good community of really

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good knowledgeable people in and around that I'm doing things

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like paranoral podcasts and and and you know, writing good,

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good content and making good content. And it's it's it's

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interesting for me to be hopefully for us to be

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part of that and you know, trying to hopefully evolve

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it and keep it going into the mainstream because I'm

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sure there's a there's a lot more people interested in

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these subjects than than we think, and that are engaging

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engaging with us right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is why we do this podcast.

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There's a way also the reason why we do it

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this way so that they average housewife or whoever you

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know washing up in the kitchen can sit and listen

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to all the things that we say, isn't it Mark, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, excuse me and make kiddie screaming his.

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Speaker 1: Head off outside the magazine. So again, when's the next

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one coming out?

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Speaker 2: So it's the issue too, is coming out on March twentieth,

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So you should be able to get that in wh

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Smith and Tescos and Asda, et cetera, or wherever you

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get those from. Should there are some places online you

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can get it from as well, and if all else fails,

987
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you can always get it from a enigmazine dot com.

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We have them as part of a subscription, or just

989
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when it's beginning to be superseded by the next issue,

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we put it on as a back issue. So yeah,

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March twentieth, and then it should be every month after that.

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I don't hopefully there won't be any other distribution errors

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so that we can because we've got lots and lots planned.

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But in the in issue too, we've got stuff about

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we look at whether we're in danger anytime soon of

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having an alien invasion. We look at ghost hunting and

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we've got lots and lots of readers ghost stories and

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their own encounters. We've got an ish an article about

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a hot spot of Canic Chase where there's all sorts

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of things happen in there. And look, we've got some

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crippid stuff and some time travel theories, all sorts of things,

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and that polterguy's story that I told you about is

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also in there. But the other thing we also try

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and do with the magazine, I'm sure you've seen that,

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is that we also try and have a look at

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and bringing mainstream things into it. So there is you know,

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we are talking, there's an article about gothic horror. There's

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reviews of some of the latest paranormal films that are

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coming out, including Mickey seventeen, and we've got competitions and

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01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,159
things like that, so hopefully something for everyone, and that's

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kind of the format that we want to continue on.

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But the main thing is that it is this community element.

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So we we are always asking people readers, if you've

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got a story, let us know, and we've got a

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dedicated email address for that, which is Readers at enigmazine

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dot com and we'd love to hear people's stories and

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put them in the magazine and if they get if

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they get in the magazine, you get an exclusive enigmasine

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T shirt as well, which is.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 2: That's good hopefully parcel of what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: That's brilliant, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Are there you go? People, go and get the magazine

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twenty years of March.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and for those for those listeners outside of the UK,

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it's not available yet. We're hoping it will be available

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soon outside the UK, or you can come to the

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website and there's digital subscriptions. As I said, there's a

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PDF subscription as well, which which is the cheapest way

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of getting it. But yeah, we're hoping. We're hoping to

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have the magazine in the territories as we as we

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move forward.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely well, Neil, thank you so much for coming on

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the show. This sounds great. We wish you the best

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of luck with the magazine. I can't wait to start

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looking at the at the different editions here and uh,

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well I'm having a brain freeze there.

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Speaker 5: I'm starting to be like, well, I just want to

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say thank you everybody, for listening to another edition of

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the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show.

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Speaker 4: Here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and Irene. Where

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can people find us?

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Speaker 1: Everywhere? People just about everywhere? Well, thank you anyway you.

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Speaker 5: Call them pretty much wherever podcasts are posted anyway, Thank

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you everyone, have a great week. We will see you

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next time. Until then, be good humans and we'll talk

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with you soon.

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