Speaker 1: What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I may have,
the improbable.
Speaker 2: Must be true?
Speaker 3: Then it is not a question of the libero cultism
all a touch of mysticism is today it.
Speaker 2: Is Empires as a host of them souls, telophaps, my father,
spirit dude for a certain termed or the night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the old gods aunt dead and what is the
true God when he's dead?
Speaker 2: You can't complain.
Speaker 3: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause
to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,
it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy
wymy stuff.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio.
Speaker 1: Hi, everybody is Desire in Alamborough as the host of
the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show to the
Paranormal UK Radio network. And this is where I get
the brain block every time. I don't know why, but
Mark Johnson's with me.
Speaker 4: It's introducing your co host. It's just like one of
those unimportant things that you just you know, struggle to remember.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just like everything just shuts for
that second. It's like, oh, I forget, No, No, it's
not that I forget. It's just like someone's closed the
door for a few minutes, for a few seconds, you know,
as if I don't know what it is, Mark, I
really don't know. But it's been happening now far and
off for ten years, isn't.
Speaker 4: It pretty much?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think it's just what makes you special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the point is right. Ever since you told
me that your aunts used to call you Marco Farcal,
I always I want to call you Marcael Farkele instead
of Mark Johnson, because I think that's a lovely name. MARKL. Farkley.
Speaker 4: Well, it was cute when I was five.
Speaker 1: Well it's cute. It is cute now, you know, Mark
Le Farkel. So when I get to the point of
introducing you, it kind of jumps onto my tongue and
then I have to freeze, as just freeze for a
few minutes, because, you know, to get back where I
was meant to be getting bound in mind. I'm waffling. Okay,
come on, let's introduce it.
Speaker 4: I guess Okay. Well, our guest tonight.
Speaker 5: Has had not only a lot of his own paranormal experiences,
but he is the publisher of a new paranormal magazine,
over in the UK called a nigmazine. So we want
to welcome Neil Armstrong to the program. How are you
doing tonight, Neil?
Speaker 2: Hi Mark and I mean very well, thank you very much,
glad to be here.
Speaker 1: Unpleased. Okay, So you're going to talk to us and
tell us about how you started this magazine, Neil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So I've been in publishing general publishing all
my careers since since I was twenty I guess twenty
twenty one, and started as a jobbing journalist and a
magazine writer, and then working on magazines and kind of
work your way up become editor, and then I went
off into the world of PR and marketing and all
that sort of thing, and I have a creative agency business.
But I've always published, and we've done all sorts of
different types of magazines over the years. From starting off
in you know, computer game magazines, I've done general lifestyle magazines,
high end stuff, celebrity stuff, and I've done every type
of magazine and papers from you know, the local paper
that goes through the door to high end, nice glossy
magazines that you might find in airports or in this
case W. H. Smith and Tescos and stuff like that,
So varied, varied length of different subjects. But the paranormal
and the kind of supernatural stuff has always intrigued me.
And I've also was worked as part of the team
that launched Encounters magazine in the UK in the nineties.
I remember that, Yeah, that was it was Encounters, and
then it was Alien Encounters, and then it became I
think after my time Uri Gella's Encounters. But that same
sort of that that same sort of format I think
is part and parcel of a nigmazine. But we want
to when when we wanted to bring it out, we
wanted to stretch some of the things that we can
that we want to cover. So it's not just about paranormal, supernatural,
alien type stuff, but also about a wider anything that's
interesting and mysterious or unknown or as yet unproven. So
quite a wide remit because I think if you're curious
about one aspect of the unknown, you're likely to be
open minded to others. And that's kind of the thought
process of bringing a magazine out that covers all of
this stuffy Yeah, and it comes out how often it's
monthly in the UK, so AL the first issue was
extended because we had a slight distribution issue. So the
first issue as as we speak, is still on sale
until kind of mid March, and then the second issue.
Speaker 1: Finding it down finding it down here. I looked in Tesco.
You don't put it into Tesco, do?
Speaker 2: Yes, it has Tesco.
Speaker 1: I went all through the magazines in Tesco. No, it
wasn't there. I haven't been into Carmarthen yet to go
to w. H. Smith. But it's only a tiny w H.
Speaker 5: Smith.
Speaker 1: So whether it will still be on the shelf because
these things down here, you don't see much of the
paranormal magazines down there, so when they do get out
onto the shelves, they get snatched up pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that that's looking at the sales
that we've had and when they've gone, I mean they've
you know, it's not quite sold out, but you know
there are certainly places that have not got it anymore
and are awaiting the second issue. So but in the
UK it's been available since I think the first issue
came out twenty third of January and then it was
extended for a couple of weeks because there were parts
of the northwestern Scotland. I think that didn't get it
on time, so the next one comes out March twentieth.
And yeah, it's been in wh Smith and Tesco's and
Asda a few of the other places like that, independent
news agents, and it's also available for their online news
agent that you can order magazines from, but we also
have them on our website at a enigmazine dot com.
You can buy subscriptions. There are various types of subscriptions
as well. You don't have to buy the print version.
You can buy a digital version, or there's even the
cheapest way of doing it is a PDF version which
comes through your inbox. But the yeah, it's it's it's
difficult because the you know, back in the days when
we did Encounters magazine that we were just talking about,
I mean that that was that was big. It was
it was still in the in the height of where
magazine's general mainstream popularity. So you know, it went very well.
We did like something like one hundred and sixty thousand
sales or something in that first issue, so you know,
the the magazine world on the newsstand isn't quite like
that anymore. But the idea of doing this is that
you know, we we connect with the audience. We involve
the audience and we get involved in the community, and
then you know, we just keep putting it out there
and hopefully keep growing and also in new territories, you know, USA,
Canada and Australia. We're in discussions with people to start
putting the magazine out there as well, but we're just
concentrating on the UK at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, See, I don't like a physical magazine, especially
if it's a paranormal one. I like it physical, especially
in the summer. So you sit out in the garden,
you've got guars of wine, you've got the magazine. It's
no use taking a computer out like because you can't
see the screen because of sunshine. So you know, and
you don't want to be sat indoors on a nice,
hot sunny day when it can be set in the
up there reading the magazine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you absolutely. I mean, I'm a
magazine person anyway. I loved magazines when I was a kid.
I used to get I used to get a football
magazine called Match Weekly. I used to get a Smash Hits.
I used to get a brilliant magazine called Sky Magazine,
which wasn't the it wasn't the broadcaster, it was it
was just a brilliant general interest kind of lifestyle magius
to get that every two weeks. So when I went
into publishing as a as a as a kid, it
was partly because I was, you know, enthusiastic about magazines
and it is sad that they have dropped off slightly,
but they still have an audience and that audience is
dedicated and an actual fact, it's not really the Internet
that's put paid to to magazines. It's more the fact
that I mean that there was a lot of there's
a lot of trauma over the COVID years, and that
the market has has lost an entire third of its
marketplace since. So that's a third of people that would
buy magazines before COVID are not buying magazines now, and
the industry doesn't think they're going to come back. So
it's a it's a smaller marketplace, but that's at the
news stand. But in general terms, subscriptions are up. You know,
I'm sure if you if you talk to fourteen Times
and a Haunted magazine, both very good magazines in this
in a similar sector, that their subscriber bases are very
good and vibrant, so you know you in fact, it's
very difficult. I mean, we were just talking about how
difficult it is to find Enigmas in the in the shops.
It's really difficult to find fourteen Times and Haunted magazine.
I don't think Haunted I've seen in a shop for
many months or years, which is a pity.
Speaker 1: No, I believe that Paul Stevenson. I think he stopped
putting them in the shop at one time, didn't they
Whether he's put them in there again now it came
to a point they used to get the physical magazine
because I used to get it, and we've interviewed Paul
several times, and then they stopped going in a shop
for some reason or the only could only read it online.
But I heard that back in the shop again. But
whether they are or not, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know you can you can buy with
any of these things. You know, there's there's subscriptions, and
I think if you're into, if you're curious and open
minded and you're into these sorts of subjects, then you
know why not that they're not you know, massively expensive
to buy a subscription, get it sent to you. It
saves trapesing out to the shops and then not finding
it when you get there. But the good part of
getting copies out into W. H. Smith and Tescos and
the like is is that, first of all, obviously we
had to we're launching a new magazine. But after that,
it's about drawing in new people. Because one of the
other thought processes we had in bringing a enigmazine out
is that, you know, there's always a point that you
get into a subject, and you know, we become curious
about parts of the unknown, of the paril normal at
different parts and different moments in our lives. And you know,
if there are magazines out there on the sho she
it might draw new people into the subject matter. And
I think of a nigmazine as a as a gateway magazine.
You know, we're not specializing in just one or two
subjects and going really in depth into them. What we're
trying to do is give a an overview of many
of the many of the different subjects within the whole
unknown realm, and then drill down into some of them.
But also recommend to readers who were interested, go and
read this book, go and have a look at this
film or this documentary or listen to these podcasts if
you're interested to find out more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you think of that?
Speaker 4: Mark?
Speaker 1: It's great, I'll get it. You've got no Tescos.
Speaker 5: Now, now I could always get the online version now,
So there. Well, Neil, you've been in publishing and especially
with magazines for so many years, but you also mentioned
a couple of different paranormal publications in the past.
Speaker 4: Now we have a Enigma zine.
Speaker 5: What really draws you into doing a magazine on the paranormal?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, as I think it's interesting. So
I had an experience, not a paranormal experience. I'll get
onto that in the moment, But I had an experience
a few years ago just going just going on holiday
and going into W. H. Smith at the airport and
looking at this wall of magazines and finding nothing that
speaks to me or nothing of interest. There was nothing
really that I could pick up and just dip in
and out of to take on an airplane to fly
to America, for instance. There was nothing that was of
interest to me. And that sort of got me thinking
a little bit about there must be lots of people
who are not interested in all of that. That the
thousands of magazines about life's mainstream and you know, there's
very little alternative thought magazines out there. So that was
that was one of the things that that that made
me think about bringing out or getting involved in bringing
out a paranormal or unknown or unexplained type of magazine. Secondly,
I like that type of content anyway. The podcasts that
I listened to tend to be in and around those subjects,
the the books that are tend to be in and
around those subjects, and also the documentaries that I watch.
So I'm interested in and I'm naturally curious and open
minded to a lot of stuff, to most things, and
I think there's a lot of people like me that
are interested. And then third is that they are these
subjects are not They are kind of niche, but I
think they've been in the mainstream forever, but they're not
taken that seriously. So you know, Hollywood spends billions of
dollars every year making films about hauntings and about UFOs
and about aliens and about mystery. Yet you know, you
look at you look at the the news stand, and
there's there's nothing really talking about it. So all of
those things added to the fact that I have had
some unexplained encounters in my life myself that that I,
you know, have happened to me, and I've I love
reading about other people's experiences as well, and I get
the final point is that I think through certainly in
the UK, through things like Uncanny and the stuff that
Danny Robbins has been doing bringing some of the ghostly
stuff more into the mainstream, has kind of and and
filling theaters with people that are interested in that as well,
which is either thing that you know Danny is doing
with a kind of live ghost show essentially means that
there is he's either captured he's either created the audience,
but I don't think he has. I think he's just
captured the mood that there is an audience that is
happy to be taking down that paranormal route. So that
there is it is in the mainstream. It's just not
catered for, and I think there's room not just for
the three publications that we've mentioned, but probably more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that Uncanny, that program's good. Oh gosh, shame
it's just finished again. But I'm hooked on that. I
really am hooked on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean my wife introduced me to the
Uncanny Podcast a couple of years ago, and yeah, it's
really good. He's got a really nice style. A he's
a nice bloke and he's you know that. What is
good about it is that they are really people with
real stories. Now, whether whether you're a believer or a
skeptic or team believer in team skeptic, as he would say,
these people are offering up their their stories and that
is real. These are things that have happened to them.
They're not making it up. So this is proper testimony.
And that's interesting, and that will speak to other people
that have had similar experiences. That will intrigue people. And
the more that we talk about these things that then
the more we might get a deeper understanding of them.
Because it's clear that there's something happening. We don't quite
know what it is with all of these different elements,
but it's it's nailed on that there's something happening because
there's so many people saying they're having these experiences, so
and you know they're not lying. There's no point in
making it up.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's very true. So right now, let's get
to the nitty gritty as well. That what was your
experience the worst experience that you've had, Well, normal.
Speaker 2: I've had. I've had. I've had a few things through
my life, mostly when I was when I was a kid.
But I'll briefly tell you a couple. One of them
was recent, so what one of them is just a
few years ago. In fact, during the COVID kind of summer.
I think it was twenty twenty, Yeah, twenty twenty, I think,
or twenty twenty one. I I was ill and I
didn't know it. I was visited by my grandmother and
my uncle, which is very nice to see them, except
that my grandmother had died in nineteen ninety one and
my uncle in nineteen eighty five or nineteen eighty six,
and they they came and told me that I had
something that was seriously wrong with me and I needed
to seek medical attention. It turned out because there was
no pain, and I did feel a bit a bit weird.
But I had an infection previously, the first infection of
my life, which didn't go away even though I took
a full course of antibiotics. And when I had this visitation,
I essentially had sepsis and I didn't know it, and
because of that intervention, I ended up getting medical attention,
getting into the hospital, and then I was in intensive
care and was in hospital for six days. And had
I done what I was going to do, which was
go home and just sleep it off, and then that
wouldn't add a woken up dead, if you know what
I mean. So that's a recent, a recent one. I've
written about that in issue one, So there's a full
account of that in issue one of Enigmazine, and in
issue too, I've got a slightly more sinistered one because
you asked about what was the worst of the scariest
one when I was. When I was a kid, and
so I would have been around about six five or six,
my dad died. He died young, so in fact, How'm
older than he was when he died, So he was
fifty one I think when he died, and I had
an experience talking to him when I didn't know he
was dead at the time. But what that wasn't That
wasn't scary, But what was was that we we moved
that summer, were in the northeast. I'm originally from County Durham, Gatewells,
County Durham. When I was born Gateshead and we moved
down to Yorkshire and I my mother stayed in the
Northeast to sell the house and I moved down. We
were going to move to Yorkshire because that's where one
of my sisters and a husband lived, and I moved
in there so that I could start the school term
and then the idea would be my mother would follow afterwards.
And it was this house in the middle of nowhere
really in south Yorkshire, between Doncaster and Rotherham, in a
little village called Clifton and a tiny little village. It
is actually only you know, one small square of a
few houses, and I had a poltergeist experience there on
the one and only night that I stayed in this
in the in the in this bed bedroom.
Speaker 1: It was it was a spare so we like podcast experiences, Mark, Oh, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: So although I was only you know five or something
like that, five or six, so I it was a
very nice place, you know generally, you know, there was
some other kids that lived in the street. There was
dogs and and my sister had a cat to play with,
so you know, it wasn't it wasn't all bad. But
the first night that stayed there, I was put into
the spare room, which was this this tiny little room
at the back of the house. It was a two
bedroom house and this was this was upstairs at the back.
I was freezing cold in there. I mean it only
had like single single glazing, and it was it was
I remember it, you know, being very kind of cold
but also moist in their you know, condensation on the
windows and that sort of thing. And I was I
was put to bed. But back then I was I
was mad on drawing and painting and and I've always
kind of done that. I even do that still really,
and I was before I would go to sleep, I
would maybe draw, color in that sort of thing, and
then drop off. I don't have any problem dropping off now,
by the way, Irene absolutely love sleep, But back then
I used to. I used to color in and draw
and stuff like that and then fall asleep. And then
on this particular occasion, I was sort of woken up
by movement and the I opened my eyes and the
the lamp was still on beside me. I hadn't switched
it off. I'd just fallen asleep, and everything that I
had been playing with was pretty much flying around the room.
So there was there was the pens and the pencils
and the pad and the protractor and the ruler were
basically swirling around the bedroom, this small bedroom, in the air,
and it was really, really, really scary, and I tried
to call out and I couldn't. I couldn't make a sound.
Vividly remember a pair of green plastic scissors just coming
past my eyes move moving, you know, cut in the
air in front of me.
Speaker 1: Reminds me, Oh, sorry, Mark, just one thing. This is
the thing with polar guys. You know, I've had a
lot of polagalist activity and I've investigated a lot over
the years. But that's when something's thrown. It's always seems
to be thrown to miss you close, but miss you
and this stuff swirling around, scissors right in front of
your eyes, you know, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't actually hitting me or or
anything like that, but I did I did feel I
recall feeling a kind of push on my arm as well,
on the on the on my left arm. And then
I eventually, after you know, a few seconds, managed to
find what I could move and I was out of
there like a shot and straight into my uh, straight
into my sister's and bedroom because she had gone to bed.
I think her husband was away on on night shift,
so she was she was in there reading And that
was the last night that I stayed in that back room.
But I had to stay there. I had to stay
there for a couple of months before my my mother
moved back down. I never went back into that room.
My my sister actually that I stayed with on that occasion,
she's she's she's actually dead now, bless her. But she
I remember speaking to her a few years ago about it.
You know, we were just we were just chilling out.
One one day, I visited her wherever she was and
I said, you know, do you remember that that house
in Clifton And she was like, oh my god, I said,
do you do you remember the night that that that
I came in, ran in and to you And she's said, yeah,
I remember it really well. She said, I went into
the room and I found all of your stuff all
over the place, but there was nothing flying around or anything.
I mean also, the I remember also the curtains were
kind of wafting in the air and stuff like that,
but the window was shut. Anyway, she said she remembers
that night but she also then recounted to me all
sorts of experiences that she'd had in the house as well.
And there was things. There was lots of things like
possessions going missing and then turning up on the window
in the back room, the room where I was, and
the and again this is this is in the in
the magazine and in issue too. I tell this story.
She said, on the day they moved out, or a
couple of days or a few days before they moved out.
That's right. There's two parts of this bit. She was
having a conversation with one of the neighbors who had
told her that there was a a few years ago,
there was there was a guy who was kind of reclusive,
and he was also a bit of a hoarder, and
he used to live all of the all of the
rooms in the house were full of junk, and he
just used to live in this back room and that's
where he died. And that was that was the room
that I had the experience in. But he was was
he died, and he wasn't found for several weeks because
he was he was a kind of nobody. He didn't
have any friends or anything like that. He was found by.
It was a cancel house, so he back in the back.
In these those days used to have rent collectors that
used to come around and get your rent in cash.
And he was found by a council rent collector who
was who was owed lots of back rent. But she
she she said the bizarrest thing that happened, and she
had heard footsteps upstairs in the room. The cat would
never go in that room and would hiss at it,
hiss at the door. She had heard footsteps. She had
things that were moving around the house from one location
to another, though she never saw anything moving on its own.
But she said the bizarrest thing was the day that
they moved out, so they had a van booked in
the morning, they packed up all of the house and
they were moving to another local village called Edlington, and
they had packed up the house and everything was basically
downstairs in the kitchen in boxes, and they woke up
in the morning and all of the boxes were open
and they'd all been sealed shut, and that was bizarre.
And then they put everything in the van and they
went around checking, just doing a final check on the
house to see if there was anything left that they
missed anything just to make sure that the house was
completely empty. And they found this blue toolbox in the
back room on the window sill. And it wasn't theirs.
They'd never seen it before. It was a It was
a rusty blue toolbox with tools inside it. And they
they they were like, well, how did that get there?
And yeah, so the the apparently the guy used to
do up, used to be a mechanic and used to
mend things. He actually had a pit dug in the
gardens and an inspection pit and would always have tools
at the back, at the back door and all over
the and all over the house. Again, that's what one
of the neighbors had told them. So yeah, and I
I mean I was right. I was remembering this and
writing the story, and I mean I've been near that
area on many many occasions, and I haven't got the
courage to go and have a look at the house.
And it was even freaky just looking at the pictures
on Google Earth of the house which is still there.
So one day and now that I've got a paranormal magazine,
maybe I'll go and knock on the door and ask
if they've had any experiences there. But it was certainly
scary for me, A.
Speaker 1: Big good idea. Mark. I'm sorry I interrupted you just
now I see I saw your eyes roll ah.
Speaker 5: Well, you know it's funny when you said that. You know,
you're it's freaky for you to think about going back there,
and for someone like me, I'd be like, oh, I'd
be back there in two seconds. So you know, but
I've also been investigating for a long time. We did
it just briefly. We did a case in October here
in New Jersey and it was kind.
Speaker 2: Of a wild night.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of energy.
Speaker 5: We had a lot of b vps, some things that
didn't feel so good.
Speaker 4: Even caught a partial apparition on camera and the.
Speaker 5: But you know, that's one of those places where I
could go into and doesn't bother me one bit, even
if I'm feeling the intense energy like that point.
Speaker 3: We done.
Speaker 1: We've done one over here, didn't we We've done the
pub when you came over to visit me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that that one, well, that.
Speaker 1: Was there's too many people in there that night.
Speaker 4: You know, we were all partying.
Speaker 5: How can you do an investigation when you're partying?
Speaker 1: This is it? You know, the area where we were
it was empty, but in the snug they were kind
of celebrating after time sort of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and sound travels so I contamination. Yeah, but you
know that that pub that's just down the road for
Myrenes is really a fascinating place called the Mansis Arms.
Wasn't it voted the best public?
Speaker 1: Yes, just that I have after ass and you just
let the namail. Well, well they don't have after as
now they've got new landlord.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well at the time they did.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's a beautiful old pub and the
first time we went there to have lunch, the uh,
that's when we saw they have big glasses hung on
hooks going all the way around the bar. And as
we're sitting there, we just looked over and there's one
glass just swinging back and forth all on its own. Now,
somebody would have bumped it, you know, through friction, it
eventually would settle.
Speaker 4: Down and stop. No, this damn thing kept going for
I don't know a few minutes.
Speaker 1: The strange thing about it, it wasn't it hitting the
is either side of it.
Speaker 4: No. No, I did see the glass next to.
Speaker 5: It in the video that I have moved a little bit,
but stopped quickly but that one just it just kept.
Speaker 4: Going and going and going like the energizer bunny.
Speaker 2: M Well, for me, I'm not I'm not scared. I
don't get scared easy.
Speaker 1: But because you were a six year old boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that experience was vivid and really really, really
really scared me at the time. I've kind of got
a reticence and and and have a look at it.
But that's that's the only reason. And I think one
day I probably will pluck up the courage to go
and knock on someone's door there and ask them. But yeah,
it was, it was. It was freaky. So I think
for me, those those and I've had some you know less,
you know less important, but yet it's still unexplainable things
that have happened to me. Ghosts and potential and certainly
visits by dead relatives have happened two or three times
to me. Actually, but this this the one, the one
where where they said there was something wrong with me
and I should get medical attention. That that was an
interesting one for me because, as I tell you the story,
it's that's exactly what happened to me. It was just
you know, four years ago, I think it happened or
three years ago, so it's it's like, you know, it's
not it's not connected with me being a kid. It's
real and tell you that the story absolutely as it is.
But whether I was actually visited by the ghost of
my dead grandmother and my uncle, or whether my sub
const brain knew that there was something wrong in my
conscious brain didn't because there was no pain and decided
because I would have had if you know, I had
blood poisoning, so my temperature would have been one hundred
and ten plus, which is where you hallucinate. So maybe
the subconscious brain used hallucinations to I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: It was something there.
Speaker 1: No, I was visited when I was heavily pregnant with
my second son. I was visited by my father, who
died at fifty three years old from cancer. And he
was sitting on the bed and we were talking, but
we were not talking. We were it was esp like esp.
It was mine to mine, it was not mouth to mouth.
And he was there for quite some time, and he
was wearing some clothes that I had bought him from
Pierre Garden years before before he died, and it was
so real. He was there and I sat up in bed,
and as soon as I said, because it had never
met my husband because he died before I got married,
as soon as I may have said or told him
that I wanted him to meet Brian, right, and I
started to nudge Brian to try and wake him up.
That's when my father just disappeared. But I swear blind
to this day he was on that bed.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's no doubt that he was. And there's no
doubt absolutely that that that's what you saw. All I'm
all I'm saying for me is is I absolutely saw
my grand my grandmother, and my nana was and she
spoke to me, and she you know, she wasn't see through.
She was you know, she wasn't floating, she was she
was just there like like one of the last times
I would have seen her. And and and you know,
for me, I definitely was jolted into action. And I
didn't tell my wife because this happened down at the
beach during the during in the morning, by the way,
this visitation, and my wife and daughter were swimming in
the sea while while while it happened, and so when
they returned, I just said, look, I'm feeling really ill
and I want to try and get back and maybe
get some sleep, and it was it was really my wife.
That's that. When we did get back, thought let's be
on the safe side, ring NHS one one one and
get some advice, and then an ambulance came out, et cetera.
But without the intervention. Be it, be it something in
the mind, be actual visitation and paranormal whatever, the truth,
the result is the same, which is some action was taken.
I was, I was made aware of a situation, some
action was taken, and essentially I'm alive to tell the tale.
So that's you know.
Speaker 1: The strange thing about this is this is a message
to you right about your health. But my father, he
sat there and told me that my son, I was
going to have a son and he would be born
within three days, which he was right. So of course
he was named after my father. But I am convinced
it was my father. But something in the back of
my mind, after doing all this work in the paranormal
first what I'm not going to say how many years,
but a lot longer than you've been born a right,
I now wonder whether this message, this messenger was something
in disguise of my father like an alien being or
somebody that could clone themselves to look like my father
so that I would be relaxed, and some messenger from somewhere.
Speaker 5: You know, it's fascinating to me that you've mentioned that,
because that's something that I've thought about.
Speaker 1: To keep an open mind about it now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because these there's so many encounters people have. I mean,
especially if you start talking about people who had near
death experiences and who they supposedly see and meet, and
even in UF abduction cases is screen memories. It's you
think you're meeting or talking with a person, and it
may not be the really the person, you know, but
that's what they're projecting in order to put you at ease.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know, since over the years, now I'm
beginning to wonder whether I did. I was convinced it
was my dad.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, I've still got to keep that open mind it
but you know, well, you know what I do, Mark,
You know who I am. Not many people do, because
it's kept secret who I am more or less. But
I have so much information about this stuff. Really, it's unbelievable.
Still in the mind. Let's get on the show. I'm
drifting off and waffling again.
Speaker 4: Now, Okay, I personally find it fascinating. But that's great. Well, well, Neil.
Speaker 1: Will listen to your teacher Grasshopper.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So Neil with with the magazine kind of covering
basically a little bit of everything, trying to, you know,
bring a more broader approach. Is there a particular subject
that would fall under the paranormal banner that you personally
find more fascinating than maybe others?
Speaker 2: Well, funny during the research for this, So a little
bit of other background is that when I started to
kind of take the paranormal a bit more seriously as
an interest again, was probably six or seven years ago,
and I started to read quite a lot of books
and online references, and that's when I started to listen
to some podcasts and kind of got right back into
the wide kind of subject matter. And then was researching
for a couple of things. So one of them because
I've written a couple of books as well. So I've
written a book about time slips called a Time Slip Phenomenon,
and I've just written a book which is both of
these are available on the website or on Amazon called
Ghostly Encounters and phenomena. And while I've been researching for
those researching and for the magazine and all of the
articles that we've got planned in the future, one of
the things that is particularly intriguing to me is time
slips and the time travel phenomenon and and the possibilities
of that. And right, yeah, I mean time slips. I
mean I've never had I've never experienced a time slip.
I have, what was your experience?
Speaker 1: I mean, there's lots of different ones. Have a lot
of different ones. There's some in my book. We've talked
about a lot of them on the show, and we
are one famous one that I talk a lot, or
we talk a lot, but on the show is my
son in London was there was this big, old empty
house and his boss had bought it, big massive old house,
and my son was put in there to do certain
work in there, and he said that he could have
a couple of rooms for himself to live in while
he was doing the work. And Jamie used to come
home and he used to tell me that. But every
time he went out with his girlfriend at the night,
if he came back late, there'd be this woman standing
at the top of this big spiral staircase kind of
looking at him and one thing or another. But what
happened when he took me and my husband round the
house when we went to visit in one day, to
show us all these different rooms and what he'd been
doing in these rooms, And we ended up in the
attic where the servants used to live, and it was
just an empty attic. There was a blanket fixed or
seemed to be fixed to the floor. Looked like a
blanket box to me. It was a wooden box. And
that's about all that was in these in these rooms
up in the attic they you know, it was it
was obvious that they had been where servants in the
day had been living and sleeping. And they went to
walk out of the attic to go back to the
staircase to go downstairs. And as I got close to
the door to leave this specific room we were in,
I saw this woman and she was dressed as a
head what the headhouse house person, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And like a housekeeper, Yeah she was. I just knew
she was the housekeeper. She wasn't a maid or anything
that she was the housekeeper. And I just looked at her,
and she looked at me, and she saw me, and
that's there was. We connected in that split second between us,
and then my son, are you coming, mum? And that
was the end of it. And I just went outside
and we went back downstairs. But I know she saw me,
how she saw me, whether she saw me as like
a ghost, and I saw her as clear as anything.
I can even tell. I can even remember what she
looks like now, color of her hair, the clothes she wore, everything.
Speaker 5: Could you get an idea what time period she might
have been from.
Speaker 1: She was eighteen hundred, late eighteen hundreds, I should imagine.
Speaker 2: And it was clear that she had seen you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was shocked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's interesting.
Speaker 1: You see that she was shot. The shock on her face.
Obviously there was a shock on my face. But I
wasn't facing the door. It was just as I was
going to go towards the door, and I saw her
like she'd come in. And we stopped and we stood
there and we looked at each other and both of
us mouth wide. O't sort of thing shocked?
Speaker 4: Was she solid or see through?
Speaker 1: She was clear to me. I don't know how you
can explain solid or see through. You know, it's not
a person. She wasn't see through. She wasn't see through.
She was clear like somebody that just walked in there.
Whether I would have been able to touch her, No,
I don't think I would have been able to touch her.
But she was as clear as a bell. Yeah, so
clear as me looking at you two on this on
this screen now.
Speaker 2: So that that you know time sling. Yeah, the you
know they are. There are different varieties of them, and the.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you another one. Crystal Palace were my other.
My boyfriend at the time lived in a big, old
Victorian house in Crystal Palace with his parents, and I've
moved in with him. I've been there for some time
and this particular day, i'd been out in the garden
some bathing, come back in. Everybody was out of the house.
There was no one in the house. And I went
into the room, a room that I normally go into,
and as I steped open the door went to step
in the room, the whole roomor changed. It wasn't the
decor and everything that I knew, It was completely different.
And in those few split seconds, I just took it
all in and then I looked down at my feet
and I saw my shoes and with that the whole
thing went back to what I should be. So that
was another one. Yeah, I've known some of them, absolutely
loads of them, you know.
Speaker 2: But how about how about you? Mark? Have you had
any time slipper experiences?
Speaker 5: Only if I drank too much and that was in
my younger days. No, I've never really experienced time slip
or loss of time or anything like that. Uh, it's
a subject that fascinates me. And that's one thing Ireena
and I have talked about her experiences before, especially with
the the housekeeper head housekeeper who you know, there's always
been the debate when people see a ghost or they think,
oh it's somebody who's died and they don't know they've
passed on and they're still doing their work.
Speaker 4: YadA, YadA, YadA. You know. They everybody recycled. She saw me.
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm saying is this, it's in this
state where and this is exactly what a time slip
would be, since time is more fluid and not linear.
That I always felt that you and her were both
very much alive in your time periods, living breathing human beings,
but the conditions were right that you were able to
see each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not only then that there's also other things
where I've seen things hundreds of thousands of miles away,
you know, And it's just absolutely impossible when I don't
leave the house to experience what to explain what I've experienced.
But I can tell you what was going on here
and what was going on there. And you know, I
contacted you early in the morning. I said, look, make
notes of this. This is what's happened to me. Make
notes of it. Mark.
Speaker 5: Yeah, whether something's happened to you, or even you know
some dreams that you've had, Yeah, yeah, trying to keep
track of all those.
Speaker 2: Because then the thing, the thing that got me into
time slips, even though I've not had one myself, is
a few years ago I was in a dinner party
with friend of mine and he told me of a
time slip that he'd had. And I'd never really even
heard of time slips before before that, but it was
his story that kind of intrigued me, and then I
started to research time slips and then put the put
the book together. But it was that was one of
those ones like you've kind of described, where there is
interaction between the viewer and and a being in seeming
to be in this this other time. So my guy,
my mates called Barry Barry Field and his his story
is actually in My Time Slip book. But essentially he
was working at the time, he was in Wales. He
was working at this place in Wales, and at the
at lunch time, he used to go out for a
walk and you know, go out into the country because
it was fairly rural around where where he was working.
And this one particular lunchtime he walked and he thought
to himself that it was a bit overgrown suddenly. And
he would walk this path, you know, five days a week,
and so it looked slightly different to him. And as
he sort of came around the corner, he noticed a
kind of old tree stump that he'd never noticed before.
And just beyond that there was a gate and there
was a man there who sort of acknowledged him, and
and and they started chatting. But essentially, to cut a
long story short, his it was about the guy who
he encountered was talking about the loss of the king
and they had they had a conversation about about King
George having just died. The guy mentioned bronchitis researching afterwards
that that's that's the king that died in nineteen thirty six,
but the guy that he's encountered or this person, so
it's not a ghost it it is genuinely a time slipper.
He thinks he's he's gone into the same place, he's
encountered this person who's in a different time and is
speaking from their time, and then he's moved on. He
told me this story in detail, and there were a
few more details to it, but that story really got
me thinking and started researching time slips and then found
out that you know, they've been happening for thousands of years,
and they happen all over the world, and there's a
growing number of accounts of them, and one of my
early ones, well, it's just the only point I was
just going to make was that you know, for one,
for multiple time slips just to happen to one person
is rare. I think I've come across a couple of examples,
but you've two or three times that's happening to the
same person, is at different times in different places. Is amazing.
Maybe that's that you you've clearly got some sort of gift.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it might be. Yeah, it might also
be tied. Well, yeah, I've got some sort of gift.
Speaker 4: You don't know the half of it, Neil.
Speaker 2: I can. I can sort of guess, but a bit.
But you know, I think something there isn't there?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: There is? Oh, there was. There was two i'd like
to tell you about. I really would like to tell
you about these two. One was when my son, my
second son, Billy, was only a baby in a pushchair.
You know what they're like at that age. Anyone who
walks past hello, Hello, Hello. Do you understand what I mean?
They just stop, do they?
Speaker 4: Kids?
Speaker 1: They've got to say hello to everyone where they're in
a pushchair. And I was walking through the park heading
to my mother's house. She lived in an old Victorian
station master's house. When that was built, the whole area
around there was just fields. And I was walking through
the park heading towards her, and I saw this little,
this old woman coming towards me. And she was dressed
in oh early Victorian clothes right down to the ground,
very heavy material. And it was a summer's day and
she was coming towards me. And I said to Billy,
don't talk to that lady, Okay, because I don't want
to get into conversation, so don't talk to the lady.
I just thought in my head she was some sort
of extra, you know, old fashioned person that you know,
we got loads of them living in England. What they
called ah, I forgot what they called.
Speaker 2: Like what they're just like to dress in vintage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah and all that. Yeah. Anyway, she came towards us,
and Billy never said anything. He was just carried on
looking in the direction of my mother's house, because we
see my mother's house in the distance. And she turned
her and said, it's very lovely day here today, darling,
isn't it. I said, yeah, it's nice. She says, nice
day to be out for a walk, and I said yeah,
And she looked at me and I said, I've just
got to go. I've got to go to my mother's
I've got to go see my mother. I was only
a young mother myself at the time, so I scooted off. Now,
there was no way that this woman could have got
out of that part because there was railings all the
way round. The only way she could have got out
of the park would have been the entrance that I
came in. That was some distance away or the entrance
I was headed for to go out of the park,
and she didn't come back past me. I took about
five steps, turned around and looked behind me.
Speaker 4: She was gone.
Speaker 1: I got to my mum's house. She said, what's the
matter Why you look like you've seen a ghost? I said,
I think I have, but I now know it was
a time slip. Another one was when I was at school.
We used to skive off, me and my friend and
go up on them the downs at Riddlesdown near Croydon
Kenerley Way, and we were right up on the downs.
There was this rocky footpath that went along along on
the top. But just before you got to the top
of the downs there was a bank and the footpaths
used to go long below the bank. And we were
chatting along there, messing around, and there was a man
playing some bathing and he had a shirt on, but
that's all the ad on was a shirt as so
two fourteen year old girls. We scooted back the way
we came and as we got closer there was a
woman in that I saw a woman in an old
fashioned dressed woman in the distance, and we ran part
of My friend ran past her and I stopped and
I said, don't go down there, lady. There's a man
and he's not got his trousers on. And she turned
around and said, don't ever be tempted, though, do never
be tempted. And she carried on walking towards him in
the direction that he was, and she disappeared. And when
I got to my friend, my friend said to me,
I held you up, Why did you stop? So I
was talking to that lady or lady, and I turned
around because she'd gone m And that was that's in
my book, that one. Yeah, I'll never forget what she said,
don't ever be tempted. Boy, I was tempted.
Speaker 4: To go see the bloke with no pants.
Speaker 1: No, not him, but there he was. He was just
laying up there. He had a shirt on, or a
T shirt, but he had nothing else on. He was
laying on this bank, sub bathing. And we were fourteen
at the time.
Speaker 4: That's really funny. Funny ha ha, funny streams.
Speaker 1: I get some weird times, don't I.
Speaker 4: Yeah, weird ones.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're just scratching the surface there too. Well, we
are coming up on the end of the show here, so.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Mark, do you know this is this zoom. I'm
not used to it. I can't. I don't see when
you're talking for some reason. But I would like Neil,
what was the name of that book again, I'd like
to say that.
Speaker 2: Well, was the time slip phenomenon? That is, it's on Amazon.
It's but it's so I've written it, but it's by
Ralph Neil Armstrong because that's my my full name, Okay,
Ralph en Armstrong. But yeah, the the it was that
that that piqued my interest again really and and that
really then started not just that book and the next one,
but also you know, a enigmazine and then also just
finding that there's a real nice, good community of really
good knowledgeable people in and around that I'm doing things
like paranoral podcasts and and and you know, writing good,
good content and making good content. And it's it's it's
interesting for me to be hopefully for us to be
part of that and you know, trying to hopefully evolve
it and keep it going into the mainstream because I'm
sure there's a there's a lot more people interested in
these subjects than than we think, and that are engaging
engaging with us right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is why we do this podcast.
There's a way also the reason why we do it
this way so that they average housewife or whoever you
know washing up in the kitchen can sit and listen
to all the things that we say, isn't it Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, excuse me and make kiddie screaming his.
Speaker 1: Head off outside the magazine. So again, when's the next
one coming out?
Speaker 2: So it's the issue too, is coming out on March twentieth,
So you should be able to get that in wh
Smith and Tescos and Asda, et cetera, or wherever you
get those from. Should there are some places online you
can get it from as well, and if all else fails,
you can always get it from a enigmazine dot com.
We have them as part of a subscription, or just
when it's beginning to be superseded by the next issue,
we put it on as a back issue. So yeah,
March twentieth, and then it should be every month after that.
I don't hopefully there won't be any other distribution errors
so that we can because we've got lots and lots planned.
But in the in issue too, we've got stuff about
we look at whether we're in danger anytime soon of
having an alien invasion. We look at ghost hunting and
we've got lots and lots of readers ghost stories and
their own encounters. We've got an ish an article about
a hot spot of Canic Chase where there's all sorts
of things happen in there. And look, we've got some
crippid stuff and some time travel theories, all sorts of things,
and that polterguy's story that I told you about is
also in there. But the other thing we also try
and do with the magazine, I'm sure you've seen that,
is that we also try and have a look at
and bringing mainstream things into it. So there is you know,
we are talking, there's an article about gothic horror. There's
reviews of some of the latest paranormal films that are
coming out, including Mickey seventeen, and we've got competitions and
things like that, so hopefully something for everyone, and that's
kind of the format that we want to continue on.
But the main thing is that it is this community element.
So we we are always asking people readers, if you've
got a story, let us know, and we've got a
dedicated email address for that, which is Readers at enigmazine
dot com and we'd love to hear people's stories and
put them in the magazine and if they get if
they get in the magazine, you get an exclusive enigmasine
T shirt as well, which is.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: That's good hopefully parcel of what we're doing.
Speaker 4: That's brilliant, fantastic.
Speaker 1: Are there you go? People, go and get the magazine
twenty years of March.
Speaker 2: Yes, and for those for those listeners outside of the UK,
it's not available yet. We're hoping it will be available
soon outside the UK, or you can come to the
website and there's digital subscriptions. As I said, there's a
PDF subscription as well, which which is the cheapest way
of getting it. But yeah, we're hoping. We're hoping to
have the magazine in the territories as we as we
move forward.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's brilliant.
Speaker 4: Absolutely well, Neil, thank you so much for coming on
the show. This sounds great. We wish you the best
of luck with the magazine. I can't wait to start
looking at the at the different editions here and uh,
well I'm having a brain freeze there.
Speaker 5: I'm starting to be like, well, I just want to
say thank you everybody, for listening to another edition of
the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show.
Speaker 4: Here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and Irene. Where
can people find us?
Speaker 1: Everywhere? People just about everywhere? Well, thank you anyway you.
Speaker 5: Call them pretty much wherever podcasts are posted anyway, Thank
you everyone, have a great week. We will see you
next time. Until then, be good humans and we'll talk
with you soon.
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