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<v Speaker 1>your exploration. Hey, what's going on today? Let's do some

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<v Speaker 1>pod crashing. Episode number four seventy seven is with Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Scheffler from the podcast Wayfinder. How are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent? Tell you so well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited to share a conversation with you because

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting to do what so many of us would

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<v Speaker 1>like to do. But for some reason, we keep hitting

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<v Speaker 1>these walls, and I don't understand why we can't just

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<v Speaker 1>let go and just go on a wayfair kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I tell you what it is besides the finance components,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's leave that out for a second. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think people feel like it's daunting because it needs all

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<v Speaker 2>this planning. But I have been trying to encourage people

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<v Speaker 2>to just start traveling in their own city, in their

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<v Speaker 2>own state, in their own whatever small region, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it starts to feel less daunting, and then you can

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<v Speaker 2>expand it out of state, out of country, and perhaps intergalactic.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's possible now too. So I think people

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<v Speaker 2>worry that there's there's these unknowns. People worry about the unknown,

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<v Speaker 2>right they think, what if this happens? But if you

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<v Speaker 2>change your mind and just says, and you can tell yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>what if this magical adventure happens, then little by little

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<v Speaker 2>something wayfindery will find you.

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<v Speaker 1>But see, I'm so inspired by this wayfinder attitude and journey.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is because I've sat with many

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<v Speaker 1>medicine men who always tell me how they use mile

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<v Speaker 1>markers to, you know, kind of show them what the

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<v Speaker 1>path is. They didn't have a map, they only had

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<v Speaker 1>these places of discovery and that's where and they would document,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how they would make their way into a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new day.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Kenya a week ago, spending time with

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<v Speaker 2>the Samburu people's tribe in the northern part of Kenya,

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<v Speaker 2>and one night we were sitting under the stars and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a sort of distant thunderstorm. So some lightning

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<v Speaker 2>coming through the clouds, and the stars had opened up

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<v Speaker 2>in the Milky Way, and the elder tribal member started

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to me about how they had been navigating

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<v Speaker 2>by the stars and how even today they know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where everything is. It was magical, like because I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>used to going on my phone and using it to navigate,

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<v Speaker 2>and it reminded me to trust a sort of something

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<v Speaker 2>more primal in me, something more, something less digital, something

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<v Speaker 2>more analogue, to just kind of navigate your world. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>See, that's what I love about traveling and being in

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<v Speaker 1>r V is the fact that I document everything in

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<v Speaker 1>journals and so'll and I'll go into these journals and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see what we did the last time, What did

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<v Speaker 1>we learn from this? But when you talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>looking up at that sky and stuff, maybe it's because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from Montana, but looking up into the sky to

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<v Speaker 1>find out where.

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<v Speaker 3>You are in May, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, there's just something up there that is constantly

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to every one of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're totally right. We forget. I think it's because

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<v Speaker 2>we're so we live such digital lives because everything is

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone, and there's a part of my travel

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration that I try and hand to people. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>working on a book at the moment, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>what the book will be about, and it's put the

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<v Speaker 2>phone down. It's okay to get lost. Look, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>moment where you get lost and it's dangerous, but for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, you're getting lost and it's magical if

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<v Speaker 2>you have the right attitude. But if you follow your

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<v Speaker 2>phone the entire time, we lose the ability to navigate. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We become android androids, we become robotic. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>for myself, I'm going to Korea this week. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that there are a couple of places I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to see and soul, But for the most part, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just going to walk. You know. I pack comfortable shoes,

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<v Speaker 2>I pack some sunglasses, and I'm off. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>sort of try and get off the map and off

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<v Speaker 2>the phone, and then that is when the adventure happens.

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<v Speaker 2>But I understand that for most people this is hard

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<v Speaker 2>because we're so used to the support of well now

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<v Speaker 2>it's ai right, like Lord, it's there all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>not it is helping us. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to know when to put that down. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to know that the adventure is not on the phone,

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<v Speaker 2>because you can do that at home, the adventures right

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<v Speaker 2>in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that I'm very much afraid of is the

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<v Speaker 1>Google Calendar, because that is a map that really because

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<v Speaker 1>for me to put today together, I actually start almost

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<v Speaker 1>a week and a half ago.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's just the way that it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you speak of this open land, this

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<v Speaker 1>free I can go out and look at the stars

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff I'm going, But how would my Google calendar

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<v Speaker 1>handle this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>I Am going to come and take your phone away

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<v Speaker 2>from you and just challenge you and come ride with

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<v Speaker 2>you in an R and B and see where we

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<v Speaker 2>end up. That's my challenge to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's usually in a place where there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>wild animals, because I am an animal activist in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that I don't know if you've ever read Ted Andrews,

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<v Speaker 1>but I believe animals speak to every one of us

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<v Speaker 1>every day, and if we are not listening, we are

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<v Speaker 1>missing out on a major page in history.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that, you know, my dog talks to me

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. I love it so I can relate,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when I was in Safari in Kenya, last week,

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<v Speaker 2>I did see a lot of animal It was that's

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<v Speaker 2>saw the Big Five and it's just magical. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also saw animals I've never seen before. There's some there's

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<v Speaker 2>a small cat to settled like it sort of looks

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<v Speaker 2>like a large house cat, a very large, very lean,

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<v Speaker 2>very mean house cat. And I sort of communicated with

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<v Speaker 2>this cat in a weird way. We spent time together.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on the game drive vehicle, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of quietly sitting there. And then my guide

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<v Speaker 2>said to me, you know, it's very rare to see those.

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<v Speaker 2>There are two of them in the MASSI Maha, and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw them both and it was interesting, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>when I go to Africa, I was born in South Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a sort of homecoming and a part of

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<v Speaker 2>us that wants to commune with animals, that wants to

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<v Speaker 2>understand that's something primal in us, and we lose touch

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<v Speaker 2>with that, not just because we live in the city,

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<v Speaker 2>but also just the way we live our lives. Right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something so magical to sit at a watering hole

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<v Speaker 2>watching the elephants play and communicate with each other, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, spread have them mocked bath and spray water

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<v Speaker 2>and there's something that we're missing in our day to

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<v Speaker 2>day life where we're not doing enough of this.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what's really interesting about this, Daniel, is

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<v Speaker 1>that your podcast has given us the opportunity to live

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<v Speaker 1>vicariously through you and so and as we listen to

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<v Speaker 1>each episode, we're kind of soothing that little itch that

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to be with animals and stories and traveling

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. But at the same time, you

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<v Speaker 1>also challenge us get your little thinking noggin in order

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<v Speaker 1>here and start planning your own journey.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. There is a Safari episode coming in

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<v Speaker 2>season two which I think people will appreciate, especially you

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<v Speaker 2>if you're an activist. It's coming from someone very smart

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<v Speaker 2>and interesting to talk about conservation and new ways of

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<v Speaker 2>understanding conservation. Conservation is such a complicated topic, especially in Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>but the episode's going to be great. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>do feel like I most people cannot travel for various reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>but I encourage people to just try and start small.

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<v Speaker 2>Just try and travel in your own town and then

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<v Speaker 2>in your own state. But it is magic to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go somewhere and to lose yourself in order

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<v Speaker 2>to find yourself. That's the goal, right, Like we want

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<v Speaker 2>to grow and travel is a travel like a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a magical way of doing it, like it offers it

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<v Speaker 2>to you so on a silver platter. It's like ready

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<v Speaker 2>for the taking. You know, people go to Morocco, they

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<v Speaker 2>have been to this, to this exotic as Americans would say,

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<v Speaker 2>exotic place. The smells, the hot air balloon rides, the

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, snowball sandboarding, and the dunes, going into

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<v Speaker 2>the soup, and suddenly you're changed as a person, like

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot remain the same version of yourself if you

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<v Speaker 2>go to these places and open yourself up.

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<v Speaker 1>Please do not move. There's more with Daniel Scheffler coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next. The name of his podcast is Wayfinder. We're

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<v Speaker 1>back with Daniel Scheffler. You know what, I'm so jealous

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<v Speaker 1>of something that you said earlier about having this relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with your dog and that your dog speaks to you

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and then you're talking about traveling and storytelling

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<v Speaker 1>and the scent of the air. I wish that I

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<v Speaker 1>could have the what a dog does inside their nose,

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<v Speaker 1>because we are missing out on so much history by

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<v Speaker 1>not smelling the ground that we walk on. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know that sounds gross, but I think that we're missing

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<v Speaker 1>out on so much stuff. When you talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>scent in the air of Morocco.

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<v Speaker 2>You're totally right. You know, my dog I live in

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<v Speaker 2>Madrid now and she goes to the park every day

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<v Speaker 2>with her friends, and on the way she smells. And

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<v Speaker 2>my husband and I were talking about this the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>We were like, she's smelling more intensely here. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>crystal's longer history. Here, She's like smelling back to where

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<v Speaker 2>the Arabs founded this town, and then to the Spanish.

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<v Speaker 2>She smells the Inquisition. It is magical. She knows that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming home. She can smell me before I arrive.

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<v Speaker 2>There is something kind of crazy about that. Although she

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<v Speaker 2>does travel with me a lot, she's a travel dog.

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<v Speaker 2>On dog is like, isn't that the most sacred, sacred thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I love my husband, but my god, the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife and I are convinced that you are a

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<v Speaker 1>modern daytime traveler. Do you feel like you're wearing those slippers?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, why not the ruby slippers? Yeah? I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I do feel that way. I'm forever on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is something that does feel sort of crazy

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<v Speaker 2>and chrontimistic, antigodness, oh no, what's the world and chromistic

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<v Speaker 2>anachronistic to me that I sometimes go back to places

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<v Speaker 2>that have never seen a white person, Like I spent

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<v Speaker 2>some time in Benning recently to go see the voodoo,

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<v Speaker 2>and these people had never seen a white person. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I go to places like Japan and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I am in the future, right, Like you see

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<v Speaker 2>how things operate there, and then you're like, am I

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<v Speaker 2>in the future. I'm going to soul this I told

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<v Speaker 2>you this weekend, and it's like, you know, these these

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<v Speaker 2>countries have a very futuristic perspective, so it does feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that. And then you know, I go to Africa

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<v Speaker 2>and you're in a tribal village in rural Kenya, and

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I guess, I guess I haven't thought about

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one of the things that your podcast offers us,

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<v Speaker 1>and this this is just strange old me, mister Powart,

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<v Speaker 1>where that needle probably is, but I'm never going to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that is years and years of practice. Find it

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<v Speaker 2>the needle, or perhaps I put the needle then in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place, right, you know, I you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a As a professional traveler, it is my

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people they like, this is my one time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to whatever London and I want to give

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<v Speaker 2>you the best of London, not necessarily the touristic things

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<v Speaker 2>that you will find by yourself. Walk the streets of London.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll have an adventure. But trust me, I've spent enough

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<v Speaker 2>you in a way that you will love, love, love,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the role for the show. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>listen to us will help you find the things that

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, though, Daniel, is the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>in listening to the podcast or the one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>predict a weather storm before it gets here, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>that I felt maybe in Kenya. I think it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you're so you're showing the money. I

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<v Speaker 2>There were some big rains in Kenya when I was

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<v Speaker 2>That is a skill that I've had, Like I know

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<v Speaker 1>So then how how are you going into each podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm a podcast writer as well as producer, and

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that is that is the skill. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>my producers are wonderful, is that we're curious. Right, We're

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<v Speaker 2>you things that perhaps you wouldn't know, like I just

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<v Speaker 2>Stans so Kazakhstan to Afganistan and she Opekistan. And the

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<v Speaker 2>so you have a little context, but it also allows

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<v Speaker 2>you to start uncovering in your own mind the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of that I have prejudice about the Silk Roads. What

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<v Speaker 2>And how can I go there? And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the goal we've got with the show, right, So perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>the Silk Roads is a hard trip. It's far, there

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<v Speaker 2>are no direct flights from America. But if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do something really special, you can travel with your

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<v Speaker 2>mind's eye with Joanna, who's want the interviewee. And then

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps when you're thinking about a trip and you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be really adventurous, this is the one you'll pick.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Mexico's great. I love it. I go all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and I think it's one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>They're wonderful, but there's also thank you stand waiting for you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I think that's what I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the show, that what we're trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the show is kind of get people out of

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<v Speaker 2>themselves up in order to feel something. Travels should feel

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<v Speaker 2>something other ones. It's a holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to come back to this show anytime in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. Twenty minutes is never.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be enough. With you, Daniel, please come back.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>You be brilliant. Any day you be brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you sir, Thank you so