Speaker 1: Wait, hell, look, challenge for an issue? Then I didn't
Speaker 1: it that that's going to be a battle. Looking forward
Speaker 1: to it, looking forward to watching that Michigan will take
Speaker 1: on Washington this week. What does m miss you need
Speaker 1: to do to at least hang with Oregon?
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you what they need to not do,
Speaker 2: and we all know what that is. Right. You can't
Speaker 2: turn the ball over. And you could say that about
Speaker 2: any football game, but this team in particular. Too many turnovers. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you could do is you could say take
Speaker 1: care of the ball. Yeah, you know how you always
Speaker 1: tell us in when we look in the eight o'clock hour,
Speaker 1: and you always bring us the daily wager, and you
Speaker 1: always say, if you don't want it, if you don't
Speaker 1: want to take my advice, bet against me. You can
Speaker 1: do the other way too, right, That's how I look
Speaker 1: at it with Michigan State. Instead of saying what they
Speaker 1: can't do is turn the ball over, well, just say
Speaker 1: I'll take care of the football. I'd love to see
Speaker 1: him take care of the football. The other thing I'd
Speaker 1: like to do to see them do and this is
Speaker 1: not going to be good, right. Gabriel's really good as
Speaker 1: a quarterback for Oregon. How about getting off the field. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't expect Michigan State to score out every possession,
Speaker 1: but what was Ohio State eight for seventeen on third
Speaker 1: downs Trent eight for flipping seventeen That that cannot happen,
Speaker 1: just can't. So too many turnovers. Yes, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: they've got thirteen turns, five fumbles, eight picks in five games.
Speaker 2: And the picks is really what it's. I mean, fumbles
Speaker 2: can be a little fluky, and you and I have
Speaker 2: talked about how picks can be fluky at times too right,
Speaker 2: it hit some receiver in the chest or something like that.
Speaker 2: But with Child specifically, what you're looking at is those
Speaker 2: interception numbers. You want to see a clean game tonight.
Speaker 1: I think some well, yes, one hundred percent. I believe
Speaker 1: it was Brian Lindgren. They're off some coordinator who said
Speaker 1: this though he felt I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: the turning point, but I do remember him saying after
Speaker 1: the game that the crusher for his team was they're
Speaker 1: getting into the red zone and they fumbled twice. I
Speaker 1: know they can be fluky, but those were huge against
Speaker 1: Ohio State.
Speaker 2: They were that was I mean, the Jack velling one
Speaker 2: in particular inside the five. Yeah, I mean that's a killer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now the reason I say that about get off the
Speaker 1: field and Ohio State eight for seventeen is the number
Speaker 1: I recall and I just looked it up and yes
Speaker 1: that is correct. Is that Oregon they don't give up
Speaker 1: a lot of points. Okay, look at their schedule, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to bottom line is numbers oftentimes can matter. Okay,
Speaker 1: look at their numbers for Oregon and their defense. Look
Speaker 1: at what they do. There's a reason the ranks sixth
Speaker 1: in the country. Okay, Yes, they weren't great against Idaho,
Speaker 1: high scoring, but close game against Boise State and then
Speaker 1: an absolute ass kicking of Oregon State before doing the
Speaker 1: same to UCLA. And I know we don't respect UCLA
Speaker 1: all that much, but well we don't know the the
Speaker 1: Oregon State. The Oregon State thing is what do we
Speaker 1: always say, Oh, rivalry games, anything can happen. Well, nothing
Speaker 1: happened for the Beavers in that game. This one might
Speaker 1: be personal for Jonathan Smith, and I think it will be.
Speaker 1: He won't let that get in the way because you know,
Speaker 1: his his alma mater was embarrassed by Oregon. A couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and he knows this rivalry well right.
Speaker 2: Right, and you carry that hatred with you. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're not going to like imagine Ryan day someday is
Speaker 2: coaching in the ACC. Is is he gonna hate Michigan
Speaker 2: any less than he does? Now?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so, right, you know, Ryan Dayton played
Speaker 1: Ohio State. But yes, you're right. I mean he has
Speaker 1: developed that hatred, right, Jonathan Smith, it'll get there for
Speaker 1: him right now. You can't blame him if that is
Speaker 1: aimed at Oregon without letting that seep in too much. Right,
Speaker 1: But the Ducks only allow nineteen points a game, Trent,
Speaker 1: they only allow two hundred and sixty seven yards per game.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough to move the football on them.
Speaker 1: So when I say get off the damn field, make
Speaker 1: sure the defense gets off the damn field. I mean
Speaker 1: that because I think it's a key. I think it's
Speaker 1: really important. You want to possess the football, and if
Speaker 1: it doesn't end in points, so be it. Possess the
Speaker 1: football a little bit, make them work. And I remember
Speaker 1: we're talking about staying in the game, We're not talking
Speaker 1: about necessarily winning the game.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. You want to be competitive, and how
Speaker 2: do you hang with a team like Oregon. You move
Speaker 2: the football a little bit, you make them punt a
Speaker 2: few times, right.
Speaker 1: Field position, right field position.
Speaker 2: Game decision making with the coaching staff, all these things,
Speaker 2: play calling, pace of the game. It's gonna be a
Speaker 2: hostile environment. You know that, and I have no doubt
Speaker 2: that Jonathan Smith has prepared them for that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's Look, it's not gonna be any Oregon's
Speaker 1: not gonna be any worse than playing at Penn State.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be any worse than playing at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I'm convinced those two teams. Quite honestly, I think Washington
Speaker 1: is louder than Oregon. I honestly believe. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: talking about the Big Ten. I think when when you
Speaker 1: play at Penn State, I think it's the loudest stadium
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten. And I think Ohio State's next.
Speaker 1: What comes after that, I don't know, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, Penn State's not one. You're exactly right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin can get a little out, so I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think that has much to do with it.
Speaker 1: I think you bring up a really good point coaching
Speaker 1: decisions when it's fourth and three or fourth and two
Speaker 1: at your own forty eight and people are screaming, people
Speaker 1: in Spartan gear are screaming, go for it. My hope
Speaker 1: is he punts that sucker away.
Speaker 2: And I think after the Ohio State game, because we
Speaker 2: all know what happened on the first drive of that game,
Speaker 2: I think he will if that's the case tonight. So
Speaker 2: something to watch for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you've you've got to play and look,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith's alive. All that's smarter than I am. I
Speaker 1: just think when it comes to this, these types of
Speaker 1: games against these superior talented teams, so they are, you've
Speaker 1: got to admit that for sure.
Speaker 2: I think what you're getting to is your margin of
Speaker 2: error is razor thin.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, Ohio State was superior. They're the number three
Speaker 1: team in the country, but Michigan State moved the football
Speaker 1: on them, which was really impressive. But you've got to
Speaker 1: be able to You've got to be able to say
Speaker 1: to yourself, the ego's got to be set aside for
Speaker 1: a minute. The bravado has to be set aside for
Speaker 1: a moment. Yeah, we all want to stick our chest
Speaker 1: down and go, damn it, I'm going forward on fourth down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can do that at a bar with my friends
Speaker 1: while watching MSU and hoping for the best. I don't
Speaker 1: have it. There's no repercussions for me, right.
Speaker 2: And you can always like say, well I would have
Speaker 2: gone for it there. If they don't go for it,
Speaker 2: or if they go for it and don't get it,
Speaker 2: you're like, well they're gone for it.
Speaker 1: Damn it, Trent, What the hell do they put Jackson
Speaker 1: job in for? I never would have done that. Hey
Speaker 1: another round? Here plays? Oh, some more wings for my friends?
Speaker 1: Please come on, No, no, you don't have to You
Speaker 1: don't have to do that. Michigan State is going to
Speaker 1: have to understand and they will understand that you've got
Speaker 1: to play field position against a team like this that
Speaker 1: is this talented. They are better than you. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they're going to beat you, but talent wise they are
Speaker 1: better than you. Ohio State talent wise better than you.
Speaker 1: Accept it. We said this about the Tiger series. Houston
Speaker 1: talent wise better than Detroit, and yet the Tigers advance.
Speaker 1: Why how they played the game, took the extra base,
Speaker 1: stole bases, bullpen was dead on, didn't overwork that bullpen,
Speaker 1: situational hitting, situational baseball allowed them to advance. That's how
Speaker 1: you win, Okay, that's how you win against teams that
Speaker 1: have more talent. And if you can't admit that, if
Speaker 1: you get well, we won, so we had more talent.
Speaker 1: Not always the more talented teams don't always win, all right?
Speaker 1: Did you think the Giants were more talented than an
Speaker 1: undefeated New England Patriots team with Tom Brady a down?
Speaker 2: Hell no? And I'll use the Michigan State example, Michigan
Speaker 2: State going into the Shoe in twenty fifteen and winning
Speaker 2: that game with the backup quarterback. It was Michigan State
Speaker 2: more talented than Ohio State was that day. Of course
Speaker 2: they weren't.
Speaker 1: Right, It's a good example. It's a really good example. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: Connor Cook that day? Right? How the hell did you
Speaker 1: win that game? Coaching decision making? Right? Like we can
Speaker 1: we get really we try to rally around emotion, and
Speaker 1: I'm all for it too, and I sports is emotional.
Speaker 1: You and I get emotional about a lot of different
Speaker 1: things when it comes to our favorite teams. But it
Speaker 1: only takes you so far. You guys like Ray Lewis
Speaker 1: coming out and dancing and doing the slide step, you know,
Speaker 1: and Lebron James puffing up all that baby powder just
Speaker 1: before the game. It only lasts a little bit of time.
Speaker 2: Man, It's like a shot of adrenaline. It only works
Speaker 2: for you know. I mean, yeah, game is a yeah.
Speaker 1: Eventually, somebody's gonna punch you in the nose. How are
Speaker 1: you gonna respond to that? I saw a video clip
Speaker 1: of Terry Bradshaw talking about frank O Harris. Terry Bradshaw
Speaker 1: got body slammed by Hollywood Henderson on a play that
Speaker 1: shouldn't happened. I think they were trying to. I think
Speaker 1: they were blowing a dead or whatever, but he body
Speaker 1: slammed Terry Bradshaw. Frank O. Harris got in his grill
Speaker 1: right away. I mean he was pissed. And Terry Bradshaw said,
Speaker 1: I've never seen frankele like this because he was a
Speaker 1: pretty mellow mannered guy, good running back, mellow mannered guy.
Speaker 1: He goes back to the huddle Frank Co Harris does
Speaker 1: after putting his finger in Hollywood Henderson's chest and screaming
Speaker 1: at it, or not even screaming at him, but giving
Speaker 1: him a stern talking. He goes back in the huddle
Speaker 1: and he says to Terry Bradshaw, I want the ball.
Speaker 1: Give me the ball, Brad. They called him Brad for Bradshaw,
Speaker 1: give me the ball, Brad, And Terry Bradshaw said Franco
Speaker 1: never did that, and he ran left guard up the
Speaker 1: gut and into the end zone and was pretty fired
Speaker 1: up over it. That emotion worked at that point. Okay,
Speaker 1: can you carry that type of emotion all the way
Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter? It's hard. How many times if
Speaker 1: you played golf and you've drained a long putt for
Speaker 1: birdie and you're like, yes, come on, and then you
Speaker 1: go to the next tea box right shank right, oh,
Speaker 1: b in in one out and two hitting three right.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the those happen. The emotion only
Speaker 1: lasts so long.
Speaker 2: And the intensity it is emotion, I agree with you,
Speaker 2: but I think it's also intensity and there's a slight
Speaker 2: difference there. I mean, being able to bring it in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter when you're tired and you've been playing
Speaker 2: all game and you've done it all game that you
Speaker 2: gotta find that extra gear too, and sometimes just aren't
Speaker 2: built to do that.
Speaker 1: Some teams aren't. You're right, But I think the great
Speaker 1: athletes are able to do that. They're able to bring it.
Speaker 1: But Mike Singletary, if you ever watched him play, Mike
Speaker 1: Singletary the middle linebacker for the Chicago Bears on that
Speaker 1: eighty five team that I still think is the best
Speaker 1: defense I've ever seen. Those guys were he was intense
Speaker 1: on every single snap, But he doesn't always not every
Speaker 1: single snap because as he's saying, I like that kind
Speaker 1: of party. I like that kind of party. Bring it.
Speaker 1: That's a famous NFL Films clip. It's only so much
Speaker 1: you can do, right Spencer's Torkosen sliding head first with
Speaker 1: a run to clear the bases, Thank you, Andy I
Speaker 1: Banyas with the basses loaded, clearing double sliding into home plate?
Speaker 1: Is is he going back on the field with that
Speaker 1: same type of emotion. You've got to bring it down
Speaker 1: to a certain extent. And I get it. It varies
Speaker 1: on the sport, right, I understand that, But eventually it's
Speaker 1: gonna be That's why people talk about momentum, the momentum
Speaker 1: shifting and swinging and so on and so forth. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a hell of a challenge from
Speaker 1: Michigan State. Let's hope they are up to it, because
Speaker 1: that would be arguably the best win of any Big
Speaker 1: Ten team this season. You go to Oregon, rank six
Speaker 1: in the country, having the type of numbers that they boast,
Speaker 1: and coming off of back to back losses, one of
Speaker 1: which you could have easily won, the other where you
Speaker 1: hurt yourself more than anything else, but you still lost
Speaker 1: to a better team. You go into Oregon, you go
Speaker 1: into Eugene and beat that team, I would argue would
Speaker 1: be the best win of any team in the Big
Speaker 1: Ten this season, unless unless a team goes in to
Speaker 1: Columbus and beats Ohio State when they weren't expected to
Speaker 1: come even close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point, because these docs are
Speaker 2: top ten in the nation for a reason. You're playing
Speaker 2: on the role you're playing on a Friday night. It's
Speaker 2: kind of a weird spot. I will say this, This
Speaker 2: is the last thing I'll say about this game. There
Speaker 2: will be moments, there will be plays where the Oregon
Speaker 2: Ducks are going to punch you in the punch you
Speaker 2: in the mouth. You gotta take it on the chin, right,
Speaker 2: and you've got to get off the mat. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be about how you respond. Right if Michigan State shep
Speaker 2: you and I have talked, if they're able to stay
Speaker 2: in the game, stay competitive, That to me, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you lose to Oregon by three tonight, it'll it'll
Speaker 2: be gut wrenching, it'll suck for the fans that traveled
Speaker 2: out there to go. Yes, but you will be able
Speaker 2: to come back home and take on Iowa with a
Speaker 2: little bit of a different mentality, saying, Okay, I know
Speaker 2: we've lost three in a row, but you know what,
Speaker 2: we gave the Ducks our best out there and we're
Speaker 2: ready to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not just Iowa. I think it does
Speaker 1: help you moving forward, no doubt now.
Speaker 2: Because you got Michigan right after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not take this too much out of content.
Speaker 1: For example, if Perdue goes into Columbus at the end
Speaker 1: of the year and beats Ohio State, then that would
Speaker 1: be a better Absolutely. I just don't foresee that happening,
Speaker 1: and I don't foresee Michigan State winning at Oregon either.
Speaker 1: But if you're able to do that, and you're able
Speaker 1: to stay in the game, like you just mentioned, and
Speaker 1: you're able to make the right decisions, you're able to
Speaker 1: take care of the football. They've proven they can move.
Speaker 1: If you're Michigan State, if you're Aidan Childston, you're that
Speaker 1: offense and coach linger, and you're saying to your guys
Speaker 1: all week long, you realize, I'm sure we move the
Speaker 1: ball against what many would consider a better team and
Speaker 1: be a better defense. If we can do that now,
Speaker 1: I was at home, but I'm not sure how much
Speaker 1: that truly matters. If we can do that, then we
Speaker 1: can do that against Oregon. Let's just let's remind ourselves
Speaker 1: that we've done this before, we can do it again.
Speaker 1: Like I know how people feel about the home field advantage.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't buy enough into it. I probably should.
Speaker 1: Ohio State doesn't give a crap where they play. Their
Speaker 1: defense is going to be good no matter what. They're
Speaker 1: not worried about. You know, some fraternity from Michigan State
Speaker 1: getting loud than anybody else. Okay, just because they're not
Speaker 1: you know, it's not Ryan Field. It's louder than Ryan Field.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that Ohio State is going to go, oh
Speaker 1: my god, how are we gonna move the football? We're intimidated?
Speaker 1: No wrong answer that stuff gets way overblown, way overblown.
Speaker 1: If if we've seen it time and time again, I've
Speaker 1: talked about it before on this show, and I've given
Speaker 1: you the numbers two. If it's that, it was pretty
Speaker 1: intimidating last night in Milwaukee during the ninth inning, Pete
Speaker 1: Alonzo's up Gavin Williams, one of the best closers in
Speaker 1: all of baseball, has a disgusting change up all right,
Speaker 1: sometimes I mean it's borderline unhittable. Peter Alonzo delivered was
Speaker 1: that moment too much? Remember earlier in that game. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you watched it. Earlier in the game,
Speaker 1: he dropped a foul fall of a foul pop up
Speaker 1: right in front of the stands, and the stands were
Speaker 1: giving it to him. They were all in his face.
Speaker 1: They were pointing at him, they were screaming at him.
Speaker 1: They were saying every possible thing you could possibly utter
Speaker 1: to a professional athlete. And he hurt it. Then he
Speaker 1: had to go back to his post at first base
Speaker 1: and try to swallow a little bit of pride and say,
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta get through this. Then he stands
Speaker 1: in the in the batter's box. Not that you have
Speaker 1: to have rabbit ears, but he stands in the batter's box.
Speaker 1: If you don't think anybody was screaming at him about
Speaker 1: what he had just failed to do, catch a pop
Speaker 1: up and get on him. You don't think that's intimidating.
Speaker 1: Did he handle it in the opposite field? Three run
Speaker 1: Jack and his team suddenly takes the lead. Yeah, that'll
Speaker 1: do okay, So the home field, I get it. It's
Speaker 1: in motion. We love to cheer. We feel like we
Speaker 1: make a difference, and I think a lot of times
Speaker 1: you do. But it's not the be all end all.
Speaker 2: It can certainly help you out. I think it gets
Speaker 2: a little overboiling how much it can hurt you at times.
Speaker 1: So if that makes sense, Ohio State going into Michigan State,
Speaker 1: there's nobody on that bus trip going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: how are we gonna deal with this pressure? I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the case at all.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: In fact, I would argue they embrace it. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure Michigan State is looking at it like, let's go
Speaker 1: shut those guys up. I know Michigan feels that way.
Speaker 1: They're glad that they're leaving home. We've been at home
Speaker 1: long enough. Let's go test ourselves on the road,