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Speaker 4: Alli Ward we're back with an episode of Smologies. Sosmologies
Speaker 4: are these classic Ologies episodes, but we cut them down
Speaker 4: and make them shorter, and we edit them for the
Speaker 4: language so that they are kids safe and classroom appropriate
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Speaker 4: listened to the full version of this episode about fish
Speaker 4: and you're not around impressionable ears, it's linked right in
Speaker 4: the show notes for grown ups, the longer one it's
Speaker 4: there for you.
Speaker 5: Go straight to that.
Speaker 4: But if you're down for a family friendly, shorter version,
Speaker 4: this episode of Smologies.
Speaker 5: Is for you also.
Speaker 4: Quickly, before I get into it, I'm going to be
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Speaker 4: an Anaheim. It's on Friday, March twenty fourth. I'll be
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Speaker 4: six pm and say hi, Okay, now ichthyology smologies.
Speaker 5: Ooh, this is a good one.
Speaker 4: So I was giddy to talk face to face about fish. First,
Speaker 4: the etymology of ichthyology pretty straightforward. Ichthys means fish in Greek.
Speaker 4: It also sounds like a cat sneezing, like ichthys.
Speaker 6: Do it?
Speaker 5: Do it right now? Ex these right? Whatever? Okay.
Speaker 4: So this ologist let me into the bowels of a
Speaker 4: natural history museum to the very basement where she walked
Speaker 4: me through Florida ceiling gray metal shelves filled with jars
Speaker 4: of fish suspended in these amber, chunky liquids, past these
Speaker 4: articulated fish skeletons.
Speaker 5: Apparently the collection.
Speaker 4: The museum is over five million specimens of just fish,
Speaker 4: which weigh a lot of pounds. So they got to
Speaker 4: put them on the bottom floor because they're so heavy.
Speaker 4: That's the thing with museums. What you see on display
Speaker 4: is the tiniest fraction of what they really have. So
Speaker 4: much is kept in the back in libraries and warehouses.
Speaker 4: Is like a catalog for research. So we pulled up
Speaker 4: some chairs in this little library and this ologist. Honestly,
Speaker 4: she has the regal presence of Robin Wright, but she
Speaker 4: has the timing of a comedian, and she has the
Speaker 4: obsessive fish knowledge of a savant. And I just could
Speaker 4: not get over her. I couldn't get over her. It
Speaker 4: was like, you're amazing. So you'll learn about the touching
Speaker 4: relationship between a fish and a shrimp that I want
Speaker 4: to write a quiet indie movie about what seafood you
Speaker 4: should not eat and how you can save the planet.
Speaker 4: You and me. So we cover a lot of ground
Speaker 4: in By ground, I mean ocean. So let's dive in
Speaker 4: with ichthyologist doctor Chris Backero.
Speaker 7: Alogy, minology, knowlogy.
Speaker 4: So you are an ichthyologist, that's right. I study fish.
Speaker 4: How long have you been an ichthyologist? Since birth?
Speaker 5: Since? Yeah? Since ever.
Speaker 4: Chris has worked at the Natural History Museum of Valley
Speaker 4: County for almost twenty years, and she's been studying a
Speaker 4: specific group of little fishies for almost twenty five years.
Speaker 4: That is a long term relationship with fish.
Speaker 5: The fish that I work on are called Gobi's and
Speaker 5: they are a group of reefishes and stream fishes. They're
Speaker 5: found all around the world, Gobi's are so fascinating and variable.
Speaker 5: They do anything like any evolutionary thing you want to study,
Speaker 5: a gobe is doing it. Pretty much.
Speaker 4: Let's back up and can you tell me what a
Speaker 4: fish is?
Speaker 5: Okay? A fish is a vertebrate, which means it has
Speaker 5: a bony skeleton with a backbone. It's a vertebrate that
Speaker 5: lives in the water. That's about well, that's about it,
Speaker 5: although it obviously doesn't include some water living vertebrates like whales.
Speaker 5: Fishes breathe water, they don't have lungs. The bony fishes
Speaker 5: are part of a claye called actionopterigii. Okay, what was
Speaker 5: that word?
Speaker 4: Acting after a gi, which means ray finned fishes. It
Speaker 4: kind of sounds like the first line of a camp song,
Speaker 4: like the sequel to John Janle Jimberheimer Schmidt, right, Okay,
Speaker 4: back to it.
Speaker 5: Which describes some characters of like the way the fins
Speaker 5: are arranged, some kind of details of the bones. But
Speaker 5: basically they're a vertebrate animal in the water. That's not
Speaker 5: a whale. That's not a whaler a dolphin right or
Speaker 5: a seal okay, or a snake right or human being
Speaker 5: or human you know what I mean or your dog
Speaker 5: at the beach.
Speaker 4: Exactly, as soon as you have a backbone r in
Speaker 4: the water, you become a fish. Well no, I would
Speaker 4: like to think so, so this is a I mean
Speaker 4: going back to like when you were a kid and
Speaker 4: you were marveling at the tank.
Speaker 5: This is such a basic question. But how to fish breathe?
Speaker 5: It is? It is? That's not a basic question. That
Speaker 5: was a complicated Okay, gases, so they need oxygen. They're
Speaker 5: like us. They need oxygen to run their cells. They
Speaker 5: absorb oxygen from the water, but that's more difficult than
Speaker 5: absorbing oxygen from the air. Although remember our lungs are
Speaker 5: wet like air, we also absorb oxygen from water. It's
Speaker 5: just a thin scrim of water inside a lung.
Speaker 4: Oh hey, heads up, you got moist lungs now, you know.
Speaker 5: But fishes have a very frilly, complicated blood enriched gill
Speaker 5: sort of filament looks like feathers, like a filament. Well,
Speaker 5: you've seen them on an ax a lode.
Speaker 4: So an ax a lottle is a great word. It's
Speaker 4: also a type of salamander and it's lungs they look
Speaker 4: like frills on the side of its head.
Speaker 5: Kind of like it's.
Speaker 4: Wearing two feathery fans where our ears would be. It's majestic,
Speaker 4: it's slimy, it's glamorous. Axilettls are amazing. Well, fish have
Speaker 4: that kind of thing, but on the inside.
Speaker 5: Yeah, inside the head, And the purpose of that is
Speaker 5: to exchange, have a lot of surface area, exchange with
Speaker 5: water and oxygen diffuses from the water into the blood. Okay,
Speaker 5: so then what is the deal with a fish? Bladd Okay,
Speaker 5: so you mean a swim last swim swim blast. Yeah,
Speaker 5: fishes have swim bladders, well not all, but most of them,
Speaker 5: and those are for regulating points. Because remember, fishes live
Speaker 5: in sort of three D. They move side to side,
Speaker 5: they move forward and back, but they also move up
Speaker 5: and down. Oh yeah, you know, compared to the fishes,
Speaker 5: we're sort of just like in flat land, Like we
Speaker 5: move like just in a few directions, but fish are
Speaker 5: actually basically always flying.
Speaker 4: Underwater, never wearing pants, flying without ever falling. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: I get it. Like fish have the best lives. They
Speaker 4: have the best lives. They also have swim bladders which
Speaker 4: fill with gas and floats them up and down kind
Speaker 4: of like a functional whoope cushion.
Speaker 5: Most of the time, and it's there are also some
Speaker 5: types of fishes that can actually gulp air and put
Speaker 5: it into their swim bladders, but obviously that's not gonna
Speaker 5: work for a fish that lives, you know, one hundred
Speaker 5: feet ble of surface. So there's two different.
Speaker 4: Kinds, okay, saltwater fish freshwater fish. I think we don't
Speaker 4: think about it until it comes time to have Perhaps
Speaker 4: one is a pet and you're like, oh, if you
Speaker 4: have a saltwater aquarium, you are a millionaire.
Speaker 5: It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I you have a bowl with a fish in
Speaker 4: it that costs a dollar. What is the difference in
Speaker 4: how they live and how they breathe and exist?
Speaker 5: The difference in how it has to do with osmo.
Speaker 5: It's called osmo regulation, which is their regulation of salt
Speaker 5: basically in your body and outside your body. So the kidney,
Speaker 5: you know, pump salt one way or the other. Freshwater
Speaker 5: fishes live in a situation where they've got too much
Speaker 5: salt relative to the freshwater around them. Saltwater fishes have
Speaker 5: less salt than the water around them, so they just
Speaker 5: have to be careful with their kidneys. Some of them
Speaker 5: go back and forth. What oh yeah, well salmon, right,
Speaker 5: salmon go down, They go up the river, they have
Speaker 5: their babies, they wash back down, they live some time
Speaker 5: in the ocean, they switch back. Lots of go do
Speaker 5: this too? Really? Yeah, how do they do that? They're kidneys?
Speaker 5: That's how wow.
Speaker 4: You know, I never knew. I always thought like once
Speaker 4: they got to a brackish zone, they'd be like, I'm
Speaker 4: out of here.
Speaker 5: Some do okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen salmon spawning in a stream, and I've
Speaker 4: always wondered, like, clearly that makes them so vulnerable to predation.
Speaker 5: If you wanted sashimi was just like any of them. Well,
Speaker 5: I mean you've seen the bears. Yeah, just scooping them,
Speaker 5: just scooping them up. Just watch them, just watch them
Speaker 5: go by, grabbing them one by one. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of them, Yeah, and some of them make it and
Speaker 5: some of them don't. But a lot of them make it.
Speaker 5: And also you know, a lot the ones that do
Speaker 5: make it, they'll have hundreds and thousands of eggs and so's.
Speaker 5: That's kind of how fishes deal most of the time
Speaker 5: with the lottery of having children, is that they have
Speaker 5: a whole bunch and just hope that some survive. Right,
Speaker 5: they're like, by good luck, sia, yeah, have fun, yeah, okay, okay, bye,
Speaker 5: good luck and farewell.
Speaker 4: When it comes to the little guys, you study a
Speaker 4: lot of little guys. You showed me some cool specimens.
Speaker 4: Is that also a numbers game? I mean they're kind
Speaker 4: of are they kind of lower on the food chain, right, it's.
Speaker 5: Kind of a it's a value lating term. It's evaluating.
Speaker 5: Sorry sorry, yes, yes, they are. They are. It's their
Speaker 5: food for a lot of other things. It's true. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of them. There's a lot of them.
Speaker 5: There's so the larger group that they're a part of
Speaker 5: is maybe twenty, say, twenty five hundred species, and the
Speaker 5: total number of bony fishes is like twenty five thousand,
Speaker 5: so that little more so that's ten percent of fishes
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 4: How many fish species have been identified.
Speaker 5: So, like I said, twenty twenty six thousand in that ballpark. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's more all the time. People are finding more all
Speaker 5: the time, and there's more out there. We don't know
Speaker 5: about it. I mean, there might be fifty thousand out
Speaker 5: there that we just haven't we haven't gotten them yet.
Speaker 4: And you just walked me through the collections. You have
Speaker 4: five million specimens here. What's the craziest fish you've ever seen?
Speaker 5: Irl? Something called a hulafish?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 5: Okay? A hula fish is a small refish that lives
Speaker 5: in Australia and it is only found in Australia. And
Speaker 5: I'd never heard of it. I've never seen it. And
Speaker 5: there's just like a couple of years ago, I'm sending
Speaker 5: fish all this time and I'm done in a crime
Speaker 5: in Sydney and I saw this fish in the tank
Speaker 5: and I had no idea what it was like, no idea,
Speaker 5: And that's a weird feeling, right given you know what
Speaker 5: I do. And I just stared at as stared and
Speaker 5: start and it was like I was five again looking
Speaker 5: at this tank, going how is this possible? What is
Speaker 5: this alien thing? Yeah? Hulafish freaky looking and it looks
Speaker 5: like nothing. It's a little got blue and white stripes,
Speaker 5: but it moves in a very sinuous way like a
Speaker 5: hula answer hence the name. And that's where they got
Speaker 5: it exactly.
Speaker 4: I saw a video and a hula fish does have mooves.
Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite fish? I have several favorite fish.
Speaker 5: Have you ever seen a wahoo?
Speaker 3: It's beautiful, It's beautiful.
Speaker 5: A wahoo is kind of like a tune. It's a great, big,
Speaker 5: silvery pelagic fish, and it's just spectacular. It looks like
Speaker 5: a torpedo. It's like a silvery torpedo. I really like
Speaker 5: mund skippers. I like shrimp goobi. Some of the shrimp
Speaker 5: gobies I work on are just beautiful, a very delicate,
Speaker 5: you know, colorful. Fish is do all kinds of weird things.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, what's their relationship with shrimp?
Speaker 5: Shrimp? Goby's live with shrimp and burrows. The shrimp builds
Speaker 5: the burrow and the gobi lives with the shrimp. So
Speaker 5: it's a symbiotic relationship, like a mutualistic relationship. They help
Speaker 5: each other. Oh my god, they're like Burton nerdy they are.
Speaker 5: And Gobi's actually do this a lot. There's gobi's that
Speaker 5: live in sponges and sea urchins and you know, all
Speaker 5: kinds of different places. They like, they're friendly, they like
Speaker 5: to participate in mutualisms. And a goby and a shrimp
Speaker 5: will the gobi is actually the watch dog, so the
Speaker 5: shrimp is blind. Oh this is this is a great story.
Speaker 5: The shrimp is blind. This is nature, This is evolution,
Speaker 5: this is just all. This is our world we live.
Speaker 5: This is a planet we live on with these things,
Speaker 5: which is kind of like just blows my mind. This
Speaker 5: is fishes. I think of my fishes every day with
Speaker 5: that sort of tone like, this is on our planet
Speaker 5: with us. Are these creatures? So shrimps and gobi's. The
Speaker 5: shrimp is blind, the goby watches, sits on the bottom
Speaker 5: and watches and is a guard dog. The little shrimp
Speaker 5: builds the burrow and takes care of the burrow, and
Speaker 5: they are in touch with each other. They communicate via
Speaker 5: a tactile communication system, a touch system. What the antennae
Speaker 5: of the shrimp are very long, and the antennae of
Speaker 5: the shrimp. As the shrimp, you know, scrumples around and works,
Speaker 5: it keeps in contact with the gobi's body, and the
Speaker 5: gobi will flick its tail or move or dart back
Speaker 5: and forth to let the shrimp know what's going on
Speaker 5: if there's danger, if you can come out no way
Speaker 5: condumer cent. True.
Speaker 4: I'm sure people ask you this day in and day out.
Speaker 5: Do you eat fish? Yes? I do eat fish. Okay
Speaker 5: for fish, I always recommend this is and it's serious.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is one again one of those things
Speaker 5: we got to watch out for with the ocean. Don't
Speaker 5: eat most kinds of wild cott tuna, do not eat
Speaker 5: orange roughy. For your convenience, you can go to seafood
Speaker 5: watch dot org. Okay, and the Monterey Bay Aquarium has
Speaker 5: a list and it's always changing. They're always updating it.
Speaker 5: But a lot of farmed fish is fine to eat.
Speaker 5: You know it's done responsibly, you know, eq logically conscious.
Speaker 5: And you can also check and see if it's if
Speaker 5: the seafood that you're buying is MSc certified miss Marine
Speaker 5: Stewardship Council.
Speaker 4: So okay, I didn't know about that. I read one
Speaker 4: story about how there's some oh god, now I can't remember,
Speaker 4: some fish who holds her eggs in her mouth.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, cardinalfish. Cardinal fish do it. Jawfish do it. It
Speaker 5: is fantastic. They will go sick lids. Sicklet fishes which
Speaker 5: you might know from aquaria, will sometimes do it. It's
Speaker 5: just a way to keep the eggs safe. We don't judge.
Speaker 4: I mean, but the main thing with fish is you've
Speaker 4: got to make a lot of babies. Hope they survive
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. And the idea is that.
Speaker 5: The the lower the amount of care that you put
Speaker 5: into your babies, the more you've got to have. So like,
Speaker 5: if you're just gonna blow them out to the wind
Speaker 5: like a seed or fish egg, you know, into the water,
Speaker 5: you gotta have a bunch of them. If you're gonna
Speaker 5: take care of them, you might have fewer. And if
Speaker 5: a mouth breweder is just gonna have a couple of hundred,
Speaker 5: whereas a spawner broadcast spawner might have a couple thousand.
Speaker 5: A broadcast spawner broadcast spawner broadcasting to you, yes.
Speaker 4: Is that just like holding eggs out of a moving
Speaker 4: car and you just.
Speaker 5: See it's like salt the fields just everywhere. Although sharks
Speaker 5: have those cool sacks, yeah, sharks, sharks are have some
Speaker 5: lay eggs like that, and some actually have live young
Speaker 5: and some fish have live young too.
Speaker 4: They have a few live young, but it's rare. And
Speaker 4: sharks are fish, sharks are fish. I have so many
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Speaker 4: Okay, let's get back to it. Okay your questions, Greg
Speaker 4: wants to know how has climate change affected fish species
Speaker 4: and fIF fish populations across the world, and how are
Speaker 4: plastic and other pollution affecting fish biology and health.
Speaker 5: Number One, fishes are moving like we will see things
Speaker 5: off the coast California we never used to see because
Speaker 5: they came from warmer waters to the south. So with
Speaker 5: fishes that can move, our moving in response to climate change.
Speaker 5: What is plastic? Very very bad? The number one thing
Speaker 5: that I would say to people when they say to me,
Speaker 5: what can I do sort of for the planet and
Speaker 5: for the oceans is watch it with your plastic. Keep
Speaker 5: your plastic. Like, if you are using plastic, fine, but
Speaker 5: recycle it, don't you know, don't let it get into
Speaker 5: the ocean. Be careful what you let into the waterways.
Speaker 5: I went to Hawaii.
Speaker 4: I got to go for a job and I got
Speaker 4: to see I know, I was mostly in hotels and
Speaker 4: in donut shops. It was a it's a weird job,
Speaker 4: but I but I walked by the marina and.
Speaker 5: It looked like a beautiful.
Speaker 4: Aquarium and like a Durido's bag just floated by, and
Speaker 4: I was like, this is a picture of dystopia.
Speaker 5: What have we done? Plastic is very bad and it
Speaker 5: bugs me, bugs me like emotionally like, it upsets me.
Speaker 5: So yes, please, please, people be careful with your plastic.
Speaker 5: Just recycle it. It's not even that hard. Just recycle it.
Speaker 5: Just recycle it. That's all I ask.
Speaker 4: We have full length episodes on oceanology and discard anthropology,
Speaker 4: which is all about garbage environmental toxicology. Those are linked
Speaker 4: in the show notes. But here is some ocean advice
Speaker 4: for you. Now carry a reusable bottle. We use a
Speaker 4: bunch of bottles all the time. You can say no
Speaker 4: to plastic straws, say no to disposable cutlery. You can
Speaker 4: avoid things with microbeads and carry a shopping bag.
Speaker 5: Look at that boom.
Speaker 4: You're already a better person, better than you were fifteen
Speaker 4: seconds ago.
Speaker 5: We did it. We save the planet. Yay, okay.
Speaker 4: Brian Edge wants to know have the populations of any
Speaker 4: species changed for the better since orgs like Monterey Bay
Speaker 4: Aquarium Sefood Watch have come around?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yes, absolutely, And one of the beautiful things about
Speaker 5: the ocean and working you know, with fish and thinking
Speaker 5: about fisheries and climate change and whatever, and you know,
Speaker 5: even horrible scary things like coral bleaching, is that if
Speaker 5: we take action the problem, it will help, the problem
Speaker 5: will get better. Fisheries are rebounding that have been protected,
Speaker 5: so it's definitely worth it. Is there a hope for
Speaker 5: coral reefs? Yes? Okay, yes, oh good, Yes, it is.
Speaker 5: It is. It is. It is a failure of will.
Speaker 5: It is not a failure. It's not that we don't
Speaker 5: know what to do. What we need to do is
Speaker 5: watch it with the carbon emissions. It's just that we
Speaker 5: don't have the will to do it. But if we
Speaker 5: were to take care and you know, cut that down,
Speaker 5: we would we would see some recovery in the coral reefs.
Speaker 5: I have no doubt. You never hear about the ozone
Speaker 5: hole anymore. Remember that word. Yeah, yeah, and that's because
Speaker 5: that's because CFC's got banned and it helped and boom
Speaker 5: problem solved.
Speaker 4: Oh good to know. That's actually that gives me a
Speaker 4: lot of hope.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: We have a full length and a Kid Savesmologies episode
Speaker 4: on nidariology on coral reefs and that will be linked
Speaker 4: in the show notes too. Jenna Kawala cal I say
Speaker 4: her name wrong every time I read it. I'm sorry, Jenna, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is a I once heard this when I was
Speaker 4: twelve things. But can fish not feel pain? Or do
Speaker 4: they just have short memories?
Speaker 5: This is a common misconception and the answer is, of
Speaker 5: course they feel pain. Of course they feel pain. Fish.
Speaker 5: You have to feel pain. Otherwise, when a predator starts
Speaker 5: running at you, you wouldn't feel it and you just
Speaker 5: get eaten. So, yes, they do feel pain. How are
Speaker 5: their memories? Well, probably not that great. But I mean,
Speaker 5: let's just you know what, let's just not hurt fish, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: don't make them feel pain. Don't make them feel pain.
Speaker 5: Why do they need to feel pain? What kind of
Speaker 5: brains do they have? They have brains like ours, but simpler,
Speaker 5: but the same basic the same basic you know road map,
Speaker 5: same basic nerves, same basic vertebrate brain.
Speaker 4: So they can't feel pain. I'm sorry fish. Mike Melshuer
Speaker 4: wants to know.
Speaker 5: Do fish sleep? They do? They do? They do? Yeah,
Speaker 5: you sometimes parrot fish will kind of you'll see them
Speaker 5: on the bottom at night. They like wrap themselves in
Speaker 5: this bubble of mukis, just tucking in nice and cozy
Speaker 5: and just lovely. And yeah, they'll they'll, you know, they
Speaker 5: doze off. I wonder if they dream. They must, right,
Speaker 5: some big uh, you know, big plagic fishes, they'll just
Speaker 5: you know, obviously they don't go down to the bottom
Speaker 5: to sleep, but they'll just you know, they'll doze off
Speaker 5: a little bit at a time. They'll sleep in little bursts. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I bet they have so many shark nightmares. Oh, man,
Speaker 5: I wonder right what that must be like.
Speaker 4: Else Bin Hey wants to know what kinds of fish
Speaker 4: are the most ethical? Oh to keep his pets. I
Speaker 4: love my beta fish, but whenever I'm in a pet
Speaker 4: store and see all the betas and their tiny cups,
Speaker 4: I feel sad. I want to take them all home.
Speaker 4: Should I contribute to that market? Or should I get
Speaker 4: a different kind of fish next time? Are beta raised
Speaker 4: in captivity?
Speaker 5: Excellent question, and thank you for being so you know,
Speaker 5: so responsible. Yeah, beta fish are raising captivity. Go ahead
Speaker 5: and have as many as you're like. Okay, our beta
Speaker 5: was the best beta he's ever seen. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you have any advice for someone who is who
Speaker 4: is trying to be an a chatheyologist?
Speaker 5: Yeah, learn, take a lot of biology classes, you know,
Speaker 5: go take as much organism biology as you can and
Speaker 5: get out in the Oshan as much as you can
Speaker 5: and swim and die. Learn to die. If you want
Speaker 5: to be a professional marine biologist, learn how to dive,
Speaker 5: get good at it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I have never been diving, but I have
Speaker 4: someone who's listener who offered to take me diving.
Speaker 5: It's amazing. Okay, should I go? Yeah, you should totally go. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's amazing. But if you need there, if
Speaker 5: you need to work, you know, doing it for work,
Speaker 5: you gotta really, like you guys, study it. You gotta
Speaker 5: mean it. Yeah, yeah, you gotta study. Yeah, but just
Speaker 5: but it's wonderful. Definitely go diving. What do you love
Speaker 5: of your job? What's the best best, best, best, best
Speaker 5: best best best part? And there are so many. It
Speaker 5: is a great job. It's just figuring these things out.
Speaker 5: I love learning about the fish. I love figuring out
Speaker 5: their evolution. I love figuring out how the evolution of
Speaker 5: fishes corresponds to the evolution of the planet and through
Speaker 5: geologic time. I love the work I do popularizing science.
Speaker 5: I love the people I work with. It's a blast.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for doing this. Oh you're so welcome.
Speaker 5: My pleasure, my pleasure at joy yeay, Gobi's Ugh, how
Speaker 5: obsessed with her? Are you right?
Speaker 4: I'm like fully mom, jeez, So ask some more people
Speaker 4: fishy questions, because look at how contagious that love for
Speaker 4: fishes is.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: Doctor Chris Haacker is now at the Santa Barbara Museum
Speaker 4: of Natural History and Ceacenter and remains a favorite guest
Speaker 4: of mine. You can follow doctor Thacker at thachfish on
Speaker 4: Instagram and Twitter, and you can find more Somologies episodes
Speaker 4: at aliward dot com slash asmologies. We have several dozen now.
Speaker 4: They're also linked in the show notes. And thank you
Speaker 4: to Mercedes Maitland and see Gredriguez Thomas for working so
Speaker 4: hard on these. We like to keep things small around here,
Speaker 4: so the rest of the credits are in the show notes.
Speaker 4: But if you stick around until the end, I give
Speaker 4: you a piece of advice, and this week's is that
Speaker 4: if you take a camera on a phone and you
Speaker 4: use the slow motion setting and you film yourself or
Speaker 4: your friend, or your grandpa or your mom making this
Speaker 4: noise with your mouth, you know, when you flap your lips,
Speaker 4: take a slow motion video of that. It's hilarious. I've
Speaker 4: never seen anything funnier. Okay, have fun with that and
Speaker 4: until next time smologizes.
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