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<v Speaker 4>Y'all, it's part two of the encore of Chiropterology. You

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<v Speaker 4>spook Toober content today right now, huh, click the link

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<v Speaker 4>ones next week and the next week after. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 4>get into it. Oh, hey, it's still your friend's baby

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<v Speaker 4>who looks like a turtle. Alley Ward back with a

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<v Speaker 4>part two episode of Ologies. Hey, did you listen to

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<v Speaker 4>part one of Chiropterology about bats?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 4>Then, what are you doing here? Would you walk into

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 4>So go listen to part one. You're gonna hear all

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<v Speaker 4>about cave tales and bat flimflam debunkery and what is

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<v Speaker 4>it bad, and how are they similar to primates? And

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<v Speaker 4>what makes them able to sleep upside down? And why

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<v Speaker 4>should we protect them? And can you build a huge

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<v Speaker 4>habitat that they'll come and live in? And who makes

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<v Speaker 4>good bathouses? And how can you train one in some

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<v Speaker 4>real tight spots that chiropterologists can get in, but real quick.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you to all the folks at patreon dot com

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<v Speaker 4>science giants. Thank you so much for that, and for

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<v Speaker 4>telling friends about the show, and of course for leaving

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<v Speaker 4>a review for me to creepily read and choose one

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<v Speaker 4>each week to thank such as For example, Nicole thirty

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<v Speaker 4>four ninety six said, I've been listening to Ologies at

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<v Speaker 4>work and it never gets old. I wish I had

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<v Speaker 4>more time in the day to listen to every episode.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the uniqueness of each episode. It will keep

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<v Speaker 4>you extremely interested in wanting to learn more. PS Merlin

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<v Speaker 4>is my new celebrity crush thanks to the Bats episode. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you, Nicole on behalf of myself and America's favorite

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<v Speaker 4>bad expert. So this week Part two. Now, after a

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<v Speaker 4>quick potty break for both of us, we concluded Part

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<v Speaker 4>one of this massive three hour bat extravaganza. Took a

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<v Speaker 4>little break. Merlin just went into his office and grabbed

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<v Speaker 4>an iPad containing an archive of bat calls he'd recorded

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<v Speaker 4>using an ultrasonic microphone, and he lent a play by

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<v Speaker 4>play like Vince Scully of the bat world. And then

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<v Speaker 4>we dove back into your patroon questions. So hang out,

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<v Speaker 4>open your ears to hear bat conversations about echolocation and

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<v Speaker 4>how to put up a bath house and more info

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<v Speaker 4>on white nose syndrome and bat coitus and habitats and

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<v Speaker 4>his favorite species and what he does in his leisure time.

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<v Speaker 4>So settle in for the wildlife wizardry of human treasure

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<v Speaker 4>and America's favorite chiropterologist, Doctor Merlin Tuttle. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not every day you get down with the Marlin title.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, this is just a very slowed down recording and

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<v Speaker 6>allay there, that's a call of a free tail bad

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<v Speaker 6>Now that one he's just coming up on some obstacles. No,

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<v Speaker 6>he's actually chasing an insect that's his feeding bug. He's

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<v Speaker 6>locked in. Hear that that's that's where he caught the insect.

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<v Speaker 6>Now he's going back to what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. So that ultrasonic recorder is called the Echometer Touch

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<v Speaker 4>and it's made by Wildlife Acoustics. They're not sponsors. They

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<v Speaker 4>just make cool gadgets for scientists and friends to animals.

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<v Speaker 4>And this thing can plug into an iPhone or an iPad.

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<v Speaker 4>They're between like two hundred and three hundred fifty bucks,

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<v Speaker 4>depending on how pro of a model you get. And hey,

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<v Speaker 4>holidays are coming up. How about everyone gives each other

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<v Speaker 4>bad houses and maybe chips in for tiny ultrasonic microphones

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<v Speaker 4>and some of Merilin Tittle's books just wing in the

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<v Speaker 4>new year. Also, what if you just want to see

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<v Speaker 4>some bats now? First time question asker and part time

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<v Speaker 4>at chiropterologist in Alaska, Dave Hayna asked about bat research

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<v Speaker 4>instruments and I hope that he gets one of these things.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe he already has one. Also, patrons including Iris McPherson,

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<v Speaker 4>Lisa Butterscotch, Jamie Kishimoto all asked about the best way

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<v Speaker 4>to spot one, and Nicole Bratt asked where can I

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<v Speaker 4>go to give bats? A tender little hug, provided they

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<v Speaker 4>want it. If you want to go bat spotting, if

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<v Speaker 4>you want to see a bat, what's the best pace?

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<v Speaker 6>If I want to see a bat, Yeah, I'm probably

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<v Speaker 6>going to do one of several things. First of all,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to learn a lesson learn right here in

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<v Speaker 6>front of my house. One night. I wanted to test

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<v Speaker 6>this out when I first bought obtained it, and I

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<v Speaker 6>went downtown and went all over places where I thought

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<v Speaker 6>there'd be bats feeding, and I couldn't pick up hardly

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<v Speaker 6>at bat They left town and went out to the

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<v Speaker 6>agricultural areas defeat.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 6>When I came home, Paul wanted me to try and

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<v Speaker 6>see if they're any in the yard, and I said, no, no,

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<v Speaker 6>there wouldn't been out here. And it turns out that

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<v Speaker 6>in our neighborhood, as in most neighborhoods, most of the

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<v Speaker 6>street lights are yellow now and don't attract insects, but

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<v Speaker 6>the one in front of our place is white. And

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<v Speaker 6>I got such good recordings right standing in front of

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<v Speaker 6>our house that the manufacturer asked to use them for

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<v Speaker 6>promoting the product.

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<v Speaker 4>Merlin says that these are social calls like I love Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>so they do chit chat a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>These are just telling them what's right in front of him,

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<v Speaker 6>but much more detail.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's a type of sonar.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, with a bad detector, you'd be amazed how many

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<v Speaker 6>times I can go out and even with a spotlight,

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<v Speaker 6>spot a bat, but I can hear at least one

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<v Speaker 6>or two right close, and I'm like, where hell are they?

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<v Speaker 6>First place I'd go looking for a bat if I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't have a bad detector, would be a white street

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<v Speaker 6>light or any outdoor powerful white light, because they attract

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<v Speaker 6>insects the bats like to eat, is opposed to yellow

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<v Speaker 6>lights that just expose into moralpredation and don't attract insects.

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<v Speaker 4>So go crash an insect party, but do not invite

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<v Speaker 4>any owlse.

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<v Speaker 6>The other thing i'd do if there was a river

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<v Speaker 6>or a lake anywhere and there were boat docks and

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<v Speaker 6>there were landing lights, white lights on the docks, I

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<v Speaker 6>would look around those, because it's a lot easier to

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<v Speaker 6>spot bets out over clear open water, lying low over

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<v Speaker 6>the water than it is up high around street lights.

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<v Speaker 6>If you can find a white street light still, and

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<v Speaker 6>that's hard these days. Sometimes you need to shield your

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<v Speaker 6>eyes from the absolute center of the lights doesn't blind you.

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<v Speaker 6>But then look around and you'll see bats. I used

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<v Speaker 6>to take people up to the state Capitol in the

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<v Speaker 6>springtime and we'd sit there with a bat detector and listen.

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<v Speaker 6>There wouldn't be anything for a while, and then we'd

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<v Speaker 6>hear several bats coming into the zone and we'd look

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<v Speaker 6>up and you'd actually see the wings dropping from the

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<v Speaker 6>maths that they're eating.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, now, the wings just drop like snickers wrappers, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Like they don't want those, They just want what's inside, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize that about mobs until I was helping

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<v Speaker 4>renovate a kitchen up in Montana and found out that

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<v Speaker 4>animals don't eat the wings. They just like to eat

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<v Speaker 4>the right squishy part, right, Yeah, it's like candy wrappers.

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<v Speaker 4>So in this case, it was a mice infestation on

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<v Speaker 4>our family's little teeny tiny prairie house, and the mice

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<v Speaker 4>just hmm huh, they yum yum it up with the moss.

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<v Speaker 4>But yes, they leave the wings around like swaps. Nobody

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<v Speaker 4>wants them.

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<v Speaker 6>So there are other ways to see bats too, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>watch a cave entrance where they come out at night.

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<v Speaker 6>I have often, you know, even been in a foreign

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<v Speaker 6>country and just look up and see a woodpecker hole

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<v Speaker 6>in a tree and wait and watch and see a

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<v Speaker 6>bat come out.

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<v Speaker 4>Who's there.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're in the tropics, then most places you go,

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<v Speaker 6>like anywhere in the tropics, you'll have various kinds of

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<v Speaker 6>bananas growing banana plants. Bananas are bat pollinate. We didn't

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<v Speaker 6>even get into this whole part of how important bats

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<v Speaker 6>are pollinating economically important and yeahologically important plants.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, patrons such as Sophie Cosino and Laura Kinney who asked,

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<v Speaker 4>aside from bats chowing down on insects, some bats are

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<v Speaker 4>important pollinators, right, Gwen Boat simply demanded, what can you

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<v Speaker 4>tell me about bats as pollinators? I want to know everything,

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<v Speaker 4>Gwen Boat. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 6>So if you're staying in a resort hotel in the tropics,

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<v Speaker 6>and well, in fact, I've done this down along the

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<v Speaker 6>Gulf of California coast in Mexico, some of a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of the resorts will have cardone and organ pipe and

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<v Speaker 6>sahuaro cactus growing right up outside your door or in

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<v Speaker 6>the parking lot, and there'll be lights around and in

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<v Speaker 6>the right season, bats come and pollinate. They're mostly bat

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<v Speaker 6>pollinated in bat sea dispersed. And I've sat in the

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<v Speaker 6>back of a hotel room in Mexico and watched bats

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<v Speaker 6>four feet away coming and pollinating flowers. And a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of places will have bananas. You know, bananas flower over

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<v Speaker 6>very long periods during the year, and you see a

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<v Speaker 6>banana that has one of the stalks that hang down

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<v Speaker 6>that eventually developed bananas on them.

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<v Speaker 4>Ps Merlin was like, what what is the word for

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<v Speaker 4>a stalk of bananas? Like a stem of them? And

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, got me, dude, but I'll look it up.

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<v Speaker 4>So I did, and let me tell you, there were

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<v Speaker 4>some search returns that are more than new Bargain for

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<v Speaker 4>when you type in banana plus anatomy. Now, at first glance,

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<v Speaker 4>it seemed like the word we were looking for was

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<v Speaker 4>just stem or stock of bananas. But then I saw

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<v Speaker 4>that when it's a bunch of flowers, it's called an inflorescence,

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<v Speaker 4>which sounds like a new Calvin Klein perfume. Also, is

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<v Speaker 4>now a good time to remind you that a banana

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<v Speaker 4>is a berry? Or are we still reeling from that pumpkin

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<v Speaker 4>fact in the qu Crebatology episode? We are? Anyway, bats

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<v Speaker 6>After sun goes down, or starting a little bit before,

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<v Speaker 6>When it gets open, then the bats come and pollinate them. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>So bats are important pollinators for another plant. And al

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<v Speaker 4>gave a clue of what that affects tequila. It's agave.

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<v Speaker 4>The plant's agave. Oh, but if it grows a big

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<v Speaker 4>Now, are you a night person or you a morning person?

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<v Speaker 4>What happens when you're out doing nocturnal fieldwork? Do you

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<v Speaker 6>I have been accused of trying to kill people from

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<v Speaker 6>like that, You've got to carry all these heavy ropes,

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<v Speaker 4>Tell the tale. Do you get sick?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, do I need to remind you to never do this? Okay, good,

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<v Speaker 4>So bring water or emergency water purification tablets or filters. Listen,

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<v Speaker 4>you spend literally fifty years in the field and some

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<v Speaker 4>shit's going to go down, but he survived. Just don't

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<v Speaker 4>you do it? Please? So have you have you learned

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<v Speaker 4>a lesson? Did you never let that happen again?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think anybody knows me would say I fully

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's like some Indiana Jones stuff right there. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god.

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<v Speaker 6>One more thing on bat watching. Another way to see bats.

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<v Speaker 6>wingspans catching minnows under dock lights.

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<v Speaker 7>Catching minnows.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 7>Fisher bats.

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<v Speaker 6>They have big hind feet and laterally compressed toes so

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<v Speaker 6>that they slide through the water of minimum friction. They

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<v Speaker 4>That sounds like a pterodactyl or something. Okay, side note,

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<v Speaker 4>I look this up and it's impressive as hell to

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<v Speaker 4>use sonar to scoop up a fish with your feet. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>also your hands are wings. But I did think it

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<v Speaker 4>was funny that fisher bats were featured on one nat

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<v Speaker 4>geodocumentary called I Mean they catch fish? So was the

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<v Speaker 4>documentary made for fish? Anyway? Sounds like another fearmonger smear campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>A bunch of bullguano you catchment drift. On the topic

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<v Speaker 4>of guano, some people asked how you felt about the

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<v Speaker 4>term batshit crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't have any particular response to it. I firmly

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<v Speaker 6>believe that if you're too much in love with the

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<v Speaker 6>kind of animal, you can't really effectively conserve it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>if you're too much in love with it, you're probably

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<v Speaker 6>going to go out into combat with everybody that doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>do what you think they should do. When I first

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<v Speaker 6>started trying to say baths, virtually everybody I met hated them,

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<v Speaker 6>and they would often tell me about how they kill

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<v Speaker 6>large numbers of them. And I had to learn you

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<v Speaker 6>can't win battles without allies, good point, and you can't

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<v Speaker 6>get allies by fighting with everybody that disagrees with you.

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<v Speaker 6>If the majority disagree.

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<v Speaker 4>With you, welcome to Merlin's School of Conflict Resolution Wizardry.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's role play, shall we?

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<v Speaker 6>And so I would simply ask, well, I'm curious, why

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<v Speaker 6>do you do that? Well, one tried to attack me

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<v Speaker 6>on it. Oh, really, I'm very interested in text, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and all my life staying baths, I've never been attacked

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<v Speaker 6>or see anybody that was. So I'm really curious. Could

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<v Speaker 6>you tell me about how this attack occurred? And we

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<v Speaker 6>usually end up finding out that it was imagined and

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<v Speaker 6>certainly unproven, or they say, you know, somebody told me,

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<v Speaker 6>and I just asked, we has this person ever been

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<v Speaker 6>wrong about anything?

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<v Speaker 4>You're like, well, they're my drunk one call, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>wrong about everything.

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<v Speaker 6>You just keep asking questions until finally, you know, what

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<v Speaker 6>would you think of bats if you understood that just

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<v Speaker 6>one of that species can catch a thousand mosquitos in

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<v Speaker 6>an hour, or can catch enough potato beetles or cucumber

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<v Speaker 6>beetles in a summer to protect your garden from all

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<v Speaker 6>kinds of havoc. You know, I've had people that thought

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<v Speaker 6>they had a terrible problem with bats in their attic,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'd come and actually tell them how to get

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<v Speaker 6>the bats to leave. But when I'd finished telling them

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<v Speaker 6>about what bats did and what they were like, they'd say, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't want to get rid of them. Now we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to keep them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, what do you do if you have bats in

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<v Speaker 4>the attic? Is it okay just to leave him up there?

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<v Speaker 6>I certainly wouldn't advocate allowing bats or any wild animal

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<v Speaker 6>to come into human living quarters inside, But there's absolutely

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<v Speaker 6>nothing to worry about from a bath that wants to

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<v Speaker 6>live behind your window shutter or lives in the attic

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<v Speaker 6>and isn't causing you know, bat droppings. Too much of

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<v Speaker 6>anything in the wrong place is not good. One guy

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<v Speaker 6>put up a bathouse over his front door because he

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to look and see the baths every day. Well

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<v Speaker 6>after they start got to be hundreds of them in

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<v Speaker 6>his house and start dropping a half inch iguano, he

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<v Speaker 6>was calling to know how he could move him.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe just consider that before you hang it up. H

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<v Speaker 4>So where do you put a bat box? A lot

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<v Speaker 4>of you want to tips, A lot of you, such

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<v Speaker 4>as Josie Gombas, Molly Henning, Trisha Lauren Dean and Blanchard

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<v Speaker 4>May Merrill, Robin Kewan, Eva Jen Henry, Addie Markin, Deborah Diller,

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<v Speaker 4>m Wings, Sarah Greer, Robert Pulcini, Carolyn Armitage, Liz Powell,

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<v Speaker 4>Gretchen Herriford, Fernando Derek Allen, Ellie Abbott, Anna Thompson, Jennifer Alvarez,

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<v Speaker 4>Julie Noble, Highly Stouschnoff, Tristan Kwasinski, Brandy Madeleine Runyon, Charlotte

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<v Speaker 4>fielke Guard, Sarah Crocker, Amy, Sally colleinib and Kevin List,

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<v Speaker 4>who asked, what's to do with bathouses? Why do they

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<v Speaker 4>need to be on a standalone pole above a certain height?

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<v Speaker 4>Or Janet Sebastian Coleman, who asked, how do I befriend

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<v Speaker 4>the bats? How do I get them to come and

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<v Speaker 4>hang out in my yard? Or Jessica Shunk, who asked,

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<v Speaker 4>how can I attract the bats to a bathouse after

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<v Speaker 4>we evicted them from our eves? Or will they forever

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<v Speaker 4>tell tales of our lack of hospitality? She sounds guilty

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<v Speaker 4>as hell. Okay, so I looked it up on Merlin

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<v Speaker 4>Tittle dot org. He has a whole guide about bat boxes,

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<v Speaker 4>write clickable there on his homepage. Read it and figure

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<v Speaker 4>out how big of a bat box would be good

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<v Speaker 4>for this species in your area, and even what color

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<v Speaker 4>to paint it depending on your region. So, darker bath

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<v Speaker 4>houses tend to retain heat and are better for colder climates,

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<v Speaker 4>and ones mounted on a building retain more heat that

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<v Speaker 4>the bats dig, and temperate and warmer climates might be

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<v Speaker 4>better served with a bat box on a pole. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>in general, bats aren't crazy about ones mounted on trees

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<v Speaker 4>because predators can scramble right up the tree where birds

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<v Speaker 4>of prank and hang out in a branch and snack

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<v Speaker 4>on their babies like popcorn shrimp. Also, apparently there's not

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<v Speaker 4>much evidence that adding batguano will attract bats faster, so

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<v Speaker 4>don't deal with that shit. And if you have an

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<v Speaker 4>empty bathouse that just isn't getting a lot of action,

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<v Speaker 4>it might be because it needs seven hours of direct

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<v Speaker 4>daily sun, so it might need to be moved. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>go to Merlin Toddle dot org figure it out, and

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<v Speaker 4>then just breathe easy. He writes. If you know you

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<v Speaker 4>have a good bathouse mounted in a good location, be patient.

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<v Speaker 4>The bats will likely run.

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<v Speaker 6>Eventually as long as as you know, the bats are

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<v Speaker 6>think that's perfectly fine. And they're the old pest control

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<v Speaker 6>operators are trying to make a lot of money scaring

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<v Speaker 6>people would tell you that they bred like rabbits, that

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<v Speaker 6>they once got their sin established, you'd never get rid

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<v Speaker 6>of them, and all that kind of thing. But not true.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Remember, bat breeding goes a little slow, and many

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<v Speaker 4>of them have only one pop at a time, unlike

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<v Speaker 4>a soft, squirmy pile of rabbit babies. So flim flam debunked. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>it didn't strike me until later then I totally forgot

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<v Speaker 4>to ask Marilin about bat Jenny's what's happening in a

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<v Speaker 4>chiropterology crotch? So Cassiana Brook wanted to know. Do bats

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<v Speaker 4>have penises? How do they approcreate?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>I looked it up, and they do have sexual intercourse

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<v Speaker 4>with their penises and vaginas they are mammals. Also, bat

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<v Speaker 4>dicks sometimes have eratonized spines on them that may serve

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<v Speaker 4>like a barbecue brush, just to get out other bats sperm. Since,

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<v Speaker 4>as we mentioned briefly last week, bats love and orgy. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>bats performing falatio and connlingis. Can you tell me more?

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<v Speaker 4>Julie Berry put it more plainly, truth or flim flam

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<v Speaker 4>bats engage in oral sex. Derek Allen, friend to bats,

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<v Speaker 4>chimed in on the Patreon questions and said, I have

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<v Speaker 4>seen this happen when I was a zoo volunteer. Both

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<v Speaker 4>falatio and connal lingus have been observed. So yep, bats

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<v Speaker 4>will get down and they will go down. That is

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<v Speaker 4>a fact. Now. Tay Solis left the Patreon plea, please

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<v Speaker 4>talk about homosexuality and bats. We deserve gay bat talk. Tay,

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<v Speaker 4>I looked it up and sure as heck, yah, bats

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<v Speaker 4>are gay. Bats will bone when everyone's awake. They'll also

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<v Speaker 4>bone each other while one is taking a snooze, which

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<v Speaker 4>is reprehensible in human mammals. Researchers tasked with quantifying bat

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<v Speaker 4>sex say up to thirty five percent of the sleepy

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<v Speaker 4>sex is just man on man bat action. What about

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<v Speaker 4>lady bats? Can we talk about their bat boobs? Sure? Can?

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<v Speaker 4>Their bat boobs are sometimes located in their armpits so

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<v Speaker 4>that their one to two babies can just latch on,

419
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<v Speaker 4>bite a nip and go zooming through the sky.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

421
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<v Speaker 4>Side note, if you google bat nipples, the first ten

422
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<v Speaker 4>thousand or so returns are about George Clooney's be leaguered

423
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<v Speaker 4>be nippled batsuit, which Batman director Joel Schumacher later explained

424
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<v Speaker 4>that he had told the lead customer of the film,

425
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<v Speaker 4>let's make it anatomical and then he gave photos of

426
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<v Speaker 4>those Greek statues. The costumer did the nipples, and he says,

427
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.480
<v Speaker 4>when I looked at them, I thought that's cool. You

428
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<v Speaker 4>know what would have been cooler armpit nipples and maybe

429
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<v Speaker 4>a same sex romantic subplot. Let's spice up these franchises

430
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<v Speaker 4>people now. This next question, asked by not Clooney, George,

431
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<v Speaker 4>was echoed by Brian Wharton and austinite let's see George

432
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<v Speaker 4>Farrar wants to know how did different types of bats

433
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<v Speaker 4>evolve to have such varying food sources like fruit bats

434
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<v Speaker 4>having fruit, vampire bats blood. I was thinking it was

435
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<v Speaker 4>like birds having different beak types, but fruit and blood

436
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<v Speaker 4>are not the same in any way.

437
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<v Speaker 6>So hmm, Well, there are a lot of these things

438
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<v Speaker 6>that we can't know absolutely, we can only speculate based

439
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<v Speaker 6>on what we see today. But one that's particularly interested me.

440
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<v Speaker 6>You go to my website photo gallery, you'll see pictures

441
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<v Speaker 6>of bats pollinaying cacti, and one of them is Some

442
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<v Speaker 6>of those pictures are pallid bats pollinating Cardone cactus, the

443
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<v Speaker 6>world's largest cactus. It gets up to fifty sixty feet tall.

444
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<v Speaker 6>And this is a bat that predominantly was thought for

445
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<v Speaker 6>most of my career to eat only insects, scorpions, and centipedes.

446
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<v Speaker 6>Then one night I'm out trying to catch a nectar

447
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<v Speaker 6>feeding bat to put in my studio, and I watch

448
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<v Speaker 6>a bat come in and obviously stick its head in

449
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<v Speaker 6>the flower. It comes out with its head covered and

450
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<v Speaker 6>pallen gets caught in my net, and it turns out

451
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<v Speaker 6>to be a pallid bat, not the nectar bat that

452
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<v Speaker 6>we thought was should have been their pollinating the plant.

453
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<v Speaker 6>And later it's been well documented that pallid bats are

454
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<v Speaker 6>major flower pollinators. Probably how this's all started was palid

455
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<v Speaker 6>bats love to eat things like sphinx moths that come

456
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<v Speaker 6>to those same flowers. So a palid bat coming too

457
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<v Speaker 6>a cardone cactus maybe just as likely to grab a

458
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<v Speaker 6>sphinx moth or as it is to grab a drink.

459
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<v Speaker 6>Can I give you a night cup.

460
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<v Speaker 4>So they're kind of like omnivorous a bit.

461
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<v Speaker 6>Sure, they are bats that are quite omnivorous.

462
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<v Speaker 4>Now, what about fuzzy blood guzzlers. Are they low key

463
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<v Speaker 4>monster creeps or are they just like your friends on

464
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<v Speaker 4>the Keto diet but very hairy with wing hands.

465
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you can imagine that. You know, even vampires a

466
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<v Speaker 6>little harder to figure out. But you know, they may

467
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<v Speaker 6>have been attracted. You know, when you had these giant

468
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<v Speaker 6>animals jabbing each other with tusts and things, there are

469
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<v Speaker 6>probably some fair open ones and they probably attracted insects,

470
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<v Speaker 6>and bats may have come to catch those insects and

471
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<v Speaker 6>then found out that the blood tasted good. And before

472
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<v Speaker 6>anybody wrinkles up because bats eat blood, let me point

473
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<v Speaker 6>out that it's only been relatively recent years. It hasn't

474
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<v Speaker 6>been popular with humans.

475
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's so you know, we're in Texas

476
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<v Speaker 4>right now.

477
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<v Speaker 7>There's a lot of people eating steak today. I'm sure

478
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<v Speaker 7>that is eating blood.

479
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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, well, blood sausage, you know, still probably pretty

480
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<v Speaker 6>popular in some parts of.

481
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<v Speaker 4>The world, oh for sure. Now, of course, vampire bats

482
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.200
<v Speaker 4>were on the brains of many of you, including Caleb

483
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<v Speaker 4>Patten Jody Riek, No Fun, Nicole Radley, Megmahali, Dane Goding,

484
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<v Speaker 4>Hayden Sloan and first time question asker Kira Die. Do

485
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<v Speaker 4>you think that the vampire bats are maybe where vampires

486
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<v Speaker 4>got the lore of being associated with vampires Transylvania types.

487
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<v Speaker 6>What's interesting is that the whole vampire legend occurred before

488
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<v Speaker 6>anybody knew of a vampire bat. There are independent vampire

489
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<v Speaker 6>legends in many parts of the world, from Europe to

490
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<v Speaker 6>the Pacific Islands. There was this whole idea of vampires

491
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<v Speaker 6>and drinking blood long before they found a bat that

492
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 6>did it seriously. In the earliest vampire stories were people

493
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<v Speaker 6>that were vampires, and in fact, people did, even in Europe,

494
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.920
<v Speaker 6>do really despicable things, not even two hundred years ago.

495
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:46.640
<v Speaker 6>There were major generals and people who after battle would

496
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<v Speaker 6>impale enemies by sticking them a sword handle up through

497
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:57.720
<v Speaker 6>their body and leaving them alive dangling on it. People

498
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 6>who would fill a tub with human blood. And there

499
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 6>are all kinds of crazy things, horrible things done by

500
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<v Speaker 6>people involume blood. But when we finally discovered a bath

501
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.160
<v Speaker 6>that ate blood like we still many of us do,

502
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<v Speaker 6>all of a sudden we'd found the despicable, terrible nasty thing.

503
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<v Speaker 4>You know what's not despicable? Sharing a meal now, Since

504
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 4>it's hard to sneak up on bird butts and mammal

505
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 4>nipples to slice and lap up the blood. Sometimes vampire

506
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 4>bats will get hungry if they don't feed for a

507
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 4>day or two, so their friends will know that and

508
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.200
<v Speaker 4>they'll just barf up blood for them to share. Is

509
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.799
<v Speaker 4>there anything more goth and selfless than that? It's just

510
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 4>like offering your neighbor hot talk, except you have eaten

511
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:47.799
<v Speaker 4>it first. Not to mention the vampire finch. No one's

512
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:49.400
<v Speaker 4>out there worrying about finches.

513
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<v Speaker 6>Go to my website, go to the photo gallery and

514
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<v Speaker 6>look under vampires, and you'll find that at least one

515
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<v Speaker 6>species of vampires is one of the cutest animals around.

516
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:00.799
<v Speaker 6>Is cute?

517
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<v Speaker 4>Merlin got up to get this beautiful little full color

518
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<v Speaker 4>pamphlet smaller than a deck of cards, slim is a

519
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 4>credit card. He hands them out to strangers to spread

520
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 4>the batfacts like how invaluable bats are as pollinators, that

521
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.440
<v Speaker 4>they can live up to forty years, that they save

522
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.759
<v Speaker 4>farmers up to twenty three billion dollars a year in

523
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 4>pest control, that a bat can catch up to one

524
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 4>thousand insects an hour, that one point five million live

525
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.599
<v Speaker 4>in Austin, that they form long term friendships that may

526
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<v Speaker 4>involve blood vomit. So many great facts on this pamphlet

527
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 4>except for the blood vomit part. But the front of

528
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<v Speaker 4>the pamphlet has his squish faced bat. It looks like

529
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<v Speaker 4>a very hairy, tiny fridge bulldog.

530
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<v Speaker 6>That's Oh, it's so good, Looms, Oh so cute.

531
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 4>Oh that's a vampire bat.

532
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:56.720
<v Speaker 7>I'd let him take a nibble.

533
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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Now onto the sweet difficult question of picking a

534
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<v Speaker 4>favorite species, a thing wondered about by patrons Crystal Mendoza,

535
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<v Speaker 4>Ruby Austrich, Iras McPherson, Kathleen Sachs, and Jay, who asked,

536
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 4>what's the best bat? And why is it the flying fox?

537
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<v Speaker 4>Not so fast? Jay? So many people asked, if you

538
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<v Speaker 4>have a favorite species at bat? Is that so hard

539
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 4>to ask?

540
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<v Speaker 6>It's virtually impossible for me to pick a favorite. You know,

541
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<v Speaker 6>it would tend to be the ones I worked with

542
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<v Speaker 6>most recently. I used to thank my favorites were the

543
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<v Speaker 6>larger carnivores. Then I found out that these tiny little

544
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 6>bats smaller than a nickel are so intelligent thing to

545
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.759
<v Speaker 6>start training me, it's hard not to fall in love

546
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<v Speaker 6>with them.

547
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<v Speaker 4>Rillin says that an unfortunate part of conservation means preserving

548
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<v Speaker 4>some individual specimens to keep in collections for future ecologists,

549
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<v Speaker 4>and he says it's in the name of learning as

550
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.400
<v Speaker 4>much as possible about each species to keep millions of

551
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<v Speaker 4>them safe. Now, one thing that's a real threat to

552
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 4>bats we don't talk about often is wind turbines. Now,

553
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 4>a few of you, Samantha Mitz and Derek Allen asked

554
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<v Speaker 4>about how dangerous harnessing wind energy is, and Merlin has

555
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 4>an article on his website about all of this. But

556
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 4>the long and short of it is that sadly, wind

557
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 4>power kills tons of bats from collisions and from a

558
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.440
<v Speaker 4>drop in air pressure that affects their oxygen levels and

559
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.920
<v Speaker 4>their lungs and can kill them instantly. Now, hundreds and

560
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 4>hundreds of thousands of bats die just in the US

561
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 4>each year, and the estimates are likely way lower than

562
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 4>the reality since so many scavengers will just gobble up

563
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 4>the dead bats before they're found and counted. So what

564
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 4>can stop all of these bats dying? Things that can

565
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 4>stop it involved raising the wind speed threshold for when

566
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.599
<v Speaker 4>the turbine starts rotating, so waiting till it gets a

567
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.519
<v Speaker 4>little bit windier to have them start going around. That

568
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:53.000
<v Speaker 4>could save seventy seven percent of some species killed with

569
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 4>only a one percent decline in energy output, or perhaps

570
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<v Speaker 4>adding an annoying ultrasonic deterrent kind of a loud noise

571
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 4>that they just hate, kind of like when bars play

572
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:09.200
<v Speaker 4>the semisonic hit closing time at intolerable volumes at one

573
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<v Speaker 4>fifty five am. Now, Merlin says that until the wind

574
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.960
<v Speaker 4>folks and the bat folks figure it out, we can

575
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:22.680
<v Speaker 4>each try individually just to use less electricity, just turn

576
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.680
<v Speaker 4>out the lights for the bats.

577
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 6>The goal is to save as much of healthy nature

578
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 6>on this planet as we can. It's not to quibble

579
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<v Speaker 6>about every little thing that goes wrong.

580
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.640
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the bigger picture for sure.

581
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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's return to the topic of cuteness. A listener

582
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<v Speaker 4>named Georgia wants to know is it true that they

583
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<v Speaker 4>drink by licking water off their bellies.

584
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 6>Flying foxes do drink by kind of belly flopping into

585
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 6>a river water, and when they come up, there's a

586
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 6>bunch of water clings to their fur and they drink that.

587
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's just like dunking your hair in the sink

588
00:32:58.640 --> 00:32:59.519
<v Speaker 4>and then sucking on.

589
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:00.880
<v Speaker 7>Is go about your day?

590
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<v Speaker 4>Tons of you had the foresight to submit questions about

591
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 4>bad eyes, such as Gracie and Gretchen and a few

592
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 4>others ask if there's any truth to the same blind

593
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<v Speaker 4>as a bat? And does batvision vary from species to species?

594
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<v Speaker 4>How what's the range of eyesight for bats?

595
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 6>It varies from species to species. But I don't know

596
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 6>of any bath that doesn't probably see fairly well. Their

597
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 6>baths that have very small eyes, and we wonder how

598
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 6>well they see. But most baths that have been tested

599
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 6>certainly see fine.

600
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:40.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh I do.

601
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 6>In fact, some even see color. What's cool, though, is

602
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 6>that using sound alone, bats can see everything we see,

603
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 6>except perhaps in some cases color. But they can also

604
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 6>see things we can't see. Because by looking at this table,

605
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 6>you do not know if that's rubber painted over or

606
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 6>if that's hard wood. The bat would know.

607
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 4>And how is that echolocation working? Is it similar to Wales?

608
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<v Speaker 4>Some listeners wanted to know. Patrons Helena, dave Wooddriff Curious

609
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 4>DNA y'all wanted to hear about echolocation and sonar.

610
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's been estimated by the Don Griffin, the guy

611
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:28.800
<v Speaker 6>who discovered bat echolocation. He estimated that it was on

612
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<v Speaker 6>a what for what ounce for round spasis billions of

613
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 6>times more efficient than anything ever developed by humans.

614
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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, have you heard of there are a

615
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<v Speaker 5>few people who are not cited who are blind to

616
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.840
<v Speaker 5>use echolocation themselves to avoid obstacles.

617
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:48.559
<v Speaker 4>Have you heard about that?

618
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 6>All bats have been model They've been used as models

619
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<v Speaker 6>for developing aids for the blind to navigate. In fact,

620
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 6>the military is using bat models now to try available

621
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 6>artificial bats at flying anime territory to spy on the

622
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:05.679
<v Speaker 6>anime like.

623
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.119
<v Speaker 4>Little tiny baby drones.

624
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the little ones.

625
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 4>Now, A few people wanted to know about citizen and

626
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<v Speaker 4>community science programs, like Elizabeth Alien, Clara Simpson, and Janine Williams,

627
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<v Speaker 4>who asked a bit too humbly, what is the best

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<v Speaker 4>thing us plubs can do to support that conservation? Also,

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<v Speaker 4>thing this podcast episode is doing is tossing some money

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, back to your questions about community science programs. Janine

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<v Speaker 4>Williams and some others wanted to know what's the best

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<v Speaker 4>thing that community citizen scientists can do to support that conservation.

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<v Speaker 6>The first thing you do is help your neighbors and

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<v Speaker 6>friends get over unfounded fears of bats.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the mind to killer.

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<v Speaker 6>The single most prevalent reason that I have seen worldwide

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<v Speaker 6>for destroying large numbers of bats is fear. I've got

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<v Speaker 6>pictures of piles of batbones in a cave in Mexico

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<v Speaker 6>that where the owner had sealed it shut with hundreds

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<v Speaker 6>of thousands inside. I have been at places where millions

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<v Speaker 6>were burned in caves by just putting old car tires

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<v Speaker 6>in the entrance and dwsed in the kerosene, lighting it

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<v Speaker 6>on fire. I was told by colleagues that there's this

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<v Speaker 6>beautiful bat cave in this place. I should go there

673
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<v Speaker 6>if I went to Kenya. I went there and it

674
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<v Speaker 6>had all been bulldozed over, and the owner said, well,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I built a house just a quarter mile away,

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<v Speaker 6>and everybody told me that that if I didn't get

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<v Speaker 6>rid of those bats, they would move from the cave

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<v Speaker 6>into my house. Those bats would never cared a bit

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<v Speaker 6>about his house. He has stayed right in the cave.

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<v Speaker 6>But people, you know, just in the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 6>it's even been on National Public Radio that bats are

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<v Speaker 6>arguably among the most dangerous animals on our planet. In

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<v Speaker 6>an NPR story that's probably still there and can be

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<v Speaker 6>looked up, they report is almost a direct quote. When

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<v Speaker 6>bats are flying overhead, beware that poop that falls on

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<v Speaker 6>your shoulder may be ebola. And not long after that aired,

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<v Speaker 6>I was down at the Congress Avenue bridge. A gal

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<v Speaker 6>saw me and realized that I probably knew something about bats,

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<v Speaker 6>and she was very concerned. They're there with her husband

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<v Speaker 6>and said, can you tell me, am I safe? Can

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<v Speaker 6>a bat poop on me here? And I knew she'd

692
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<v Speaker 6>been listening to radio and these wild stories linking bets

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<v Speaker 6>to every kind of conceivable dangerous thing. It gets back

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<v Speaker 6>in my opinion, well, it starts with the fact that

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<v Speaker 6>Raby's treatment is so lucrative. I mean, just look at

696
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<v Speaker 6>the difference of treeing a dog and a human right,

697
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<v Speaker 6>I mean talk about lucrative.

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<v Speaker 4>So Merlin has a blog post about it, and he

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<v Speaker 4>says he usually loves MPR but was deeply, deeply disappointed

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<v Speaker 4>by this. And of course, once again, do you have

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<v Speaker 4>a job or pastime that involves encounters or permanent handling

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<v Speaker 4>of wildlife not a bat idea to get a Raby's vaccine.

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<v Speaker 4>We did cover Raby's stats, which are much lower than

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<v Speaker 4>public perception in part one, but these patrons asked about

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<v Speaker 4>Raby's and rabies vaccines. Pauld Simmons, Margaret Abacherini, Emily Martinez,

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<v Speaker 4>deb Nervous and Brandy Mandy Bender, Madz Clement, Caitlin O'Connell,

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<v Speaker 4>Eric Mahanka Greer, don A Wald, Alissa Wearing Crisper, and

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<v Speaker 4>Lauren Eggert Crowe. And I will repeat the disclaimer from

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<v Speaker 4>part one. Doctor Merlin Tittle reminds us he and other

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<v Speaker 4>bat researchers, like vets, they have received pre exposure vaccination

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<v Speaker 4>against rabies that protects against defensive bites from animals that

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<v Speaker 4>they might handle who are unfamiliar now unprotected people bitten

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<v Speaker 4>by any animal should seek advice regarding a possible need

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<v Speaker 4>to be vaccinated or have the animal tested for rabies.

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<v Speaker 4>But Catherine Stacey asked, can the bats get the vaccine?

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<v Speaker 4>Is there a bait laced with rabies vaccine for bats

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<v Speaker 4>like what's used for other wildlife such as foxes and raccoons.

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<v Speaker 4>What's going on with that? As someone asked about giving

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<v Speaker 4>bat vaccines like they might do without other wildlife, like

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<v Speaker 4>if vaccinating bats for rabies is even a thing that's

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<v Speaker 4>worth looking into.

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<v Speaker 6>I was part of a panel discussion and actually have

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<v Speaker 6>a paper I believe in press now in which that

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<v Speaker 6>is disc gust I happen to be one of there

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<v Speaker 6>are several authors. I'm one that says I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>it's worth it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, This next sunny or perhaps not so sunny question

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<v Speaker 4>was asked by Leanne Schuster, A zamb And Amelia Hines

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot of well on that topic, A lot

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<v Speaker 4>of listeners have the question if you see a bat

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<v Speaker 4>during the day, is it a bad sign?

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<v Speaker 6>Not necessarily depends on where the bat is. If the

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<v Speaker 6>bats hanging in a normal position where that species lives.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, I have plenty of times walked

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<v Speaker 6>under a tree, and I know what kind of leaves.

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<v Speaker 6>Bats that live under leaves like to hang on and

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<v Speaker 6>I'll look up, Oh there's a bat. Well that bat's

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<v Speaker 6>doing He's perfectly normal. That's not a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>If the bat is out on the ground or out

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<v Speaker 6>where a bird could easily catch it in the daytime,

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<v Speaker 6>then that bat is almost certainly sick. Now, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>mean he's rabid. Ninety five percent of such bats aren't rabid,

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<v Speaker 6>but five percent are. Most of the statistics you hear

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<v Speaker 6>about rabies and bats come from there. Taken from the

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<v Speaker 6>Health Department only gets suspect bats submitted. If the bat's

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<v Speaker 6>not acting abnormally, it doesn't get submitted. So this is

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<v Speaker 6>like deciding what proportion of Americans have cancer based on

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<v Speaker 6>checking cancer clinics.

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<v Speaker 4>Seah, that works. Now, the next question was asked by

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of you, and I mean approximately one million.

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<v Speaker 4>So I will say your name's with my mouth very fast.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a white hot topic. It was right under

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<v Speaker 4>our noses. Now. Even though Merlin's a fun guy, I

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<v Speaker 4>had to ask him this tiny pummer white nose syndrome

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<v Speaker 4>asked about by Ruby Austrick, first time question asker, Jesse Spencer,

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<v Speaker 4>Emily Jean, Alicia Gailan, Margaret Matera, Bronwin, Trum McDonald, b

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<v Speaker 4>and K Boys, Quentin McKenna, Larsen, Jennifer Downey, Live Scheffer,

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<v Speaker 4>Samantha Bold, Pandora Two, Hannah M Childers, Acacia Sprague, Lauren Harder,

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah Luchesi, Cassie Flint, Leah Wilber, Ana Thompson, jcw Adam Weaver,

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<v Speaker 4>tanging At, Mandy Bender, Caitlyn Fitzgerald, Roonda Grizzle, Madeline Rodgers,

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<v Speaker 4>who says, where is white nose syndrome the worst and

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<v Speaker 4>what species does it affect the most? And how bad

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<v Speaker 4>is it? What can we do?

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<v Speaker 7>What's going on with white nose?

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<v Speaker 4>And now when it comes to white nose, what can

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<v Speaker 4>be done to help them?

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<v Speaker 6>The most important thing that could be done now to

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<v Speaker 6>help bats that have populations that have crashed because of

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<v Speaker 6>white nose syndrome is to help protect and restore more

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<v Speaker 6>roosting habitat, more habitat in general, but particularly roosting.

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<v Speaker 4>Habitat and now roosting habitat that's the overnight sleepy.

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<v Speaker 6>Time mostly where they hibernate.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, well, that was the next question.

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<v Speaker 7>Do they eat in winter?

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<v Speaker 4>Do they hibernate?

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<v Speaker 6>The bats that have been hardest hit by white nose

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<v Speaker 6>syndrome are bats that hibernate in k's all winter. God,

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<v Speaker 6>there's very little food in a temperate zone from you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you might get away with staying active in the winter here,

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<v Speaker 6>but you go a little bit north of here and

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<v Speaker 6>throughout most of the United States and Canada, there are

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<v Speaker 6>no insects available to eat at night, so you have

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<v Speaker 6>to either migrate south for the winter or hybernate in

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<v Speaker 6>a cave. And the biggest losses of all time have

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<v Speaker 6>occurred when their hibernating caves were destroyed and are disturbed.

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<v Speaker 6>And here's the problem. Years ago, I know evenly would

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<v Speaker 6>say the cavers. What's the problem with saving less than

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<v Speaker 6>one percent of caves for bats, leaves all the rest

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<v Speaker 6>for you. Well, it's not quite that way. We humans

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<v Speaker 6>want the same caves that the bats want, So we're

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<v Speaker 6>competing for the one percent that have gigantic entrances, huge passages,

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<v Speaker 6>multiple you know, complexity. Those are the first ones we

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<v Speaker 6>humans want, and so many huge numbers of our us

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<v Speaker 6>baths were lost before anybody even reported that they were present.

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<v Speaker 4>Is there anything that can be done to medicate them

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<v Speaker 4>at all? Or to medicate yeah, can you give them

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<v Speaker 4>anti fungal No?

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<v Speaker 6>No, okay, I'm absolutely adamant about that. I believe that

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<v Speaker 6>more harm is being done than help in trying to

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<v Speaker 6>find a cure for white no syndrome.

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<v Speaker 4>It's more just trying to recover the populations.

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<v Speaker 6>Since since this began, there have been cures found. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I remember a rehaber that just mixed a dilute vinegar

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<v Speaker 6>and water mixture and could cure white no syndrome. But

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<v Speaker 6>when they banded all those baths and released them back

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<v Speaker 6>the while, they got infected again and died. So curing

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<v Speaker 6>because you find something that'll kill the fundungus is not

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<v Speaker 6>a cure that keeps you from getting reinfected. And even

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<v Speaker 6>if you found something that would prevent reinfection, imagine trying

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<v Speaker 6>to treat all the bats or the locations. There must

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<v Speaker 6>be billions of locations infected with that fungus. Now, I

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<v Speaker 6>mean just mammoth cave alone that used to house many

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<v Speaker 6>millions of baths, has more than four hundred miles of passages.

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<v Speaker 6>Imagine treating all those with something that's going to kill

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<v Speaker 6>this fungus, and then understand that this fungus is only

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<v Speaker 6>one of thousands of kinds of fungi, and if you

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<v Speaker 6>found something that would kill it, you might cause a

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<v Speaker 6>horrible problem chain reaction, destroying whole ecosystems that we don't

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<v Speaker 6>even know much about.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, is the best course of action.

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<v Speaker 4>To let it run its course and make sure that

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<v Speaker 4>they have enough places to roost and just repopulate.

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<v Speaker 6>If you go to my website again and look under

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<v Speaker 6>each horses under white nose syndrome. I did a thorough

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<v Speaker 6>investigation a few months ago of what has happened where

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<v Speaker 6>it has passed over the last decade, and we're seeing

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<v Speaker 6>clear signs of recovery. Genetically resistant bats are apparently recovering.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Okay, that's promising. That's the good news, and so

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<v Speaker 4>it's wonderful that we have Merlin going to bat for

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<v Speaker 4>these critters. I hate myself.

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<v Speaker 6>I did find evidence that it's very interesting. There are

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<v Speaker 6>colonies that have fully recovered that dropped by at least

834
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<v Speaker 6>eighty percent when it passed that are now fully recovered.

835
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:48.039
<v Speaker 6>The ones I'm thinking about, many of them have been

836
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:53.280
<v Speaker 6>banded by researchers, and when they look for them, they

837
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 6>never find them in hibernation.

838
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Huh.

839
00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 6>This means that those survivors are doing so well well,

840
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 6>haven't had to put up with humans trying to save them.

841
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.079
<v Speaker 6>Let me point out that before white nose syndrome was

842
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:12.519
<v Speaker 6>a problem. I mean, I founded the first two endangered

843
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:18.119
<v Speaker 6>species recovery teams for bats in America, and we were

844
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 6>adamant that nobody would go in disturb bats during hibernation

845
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.119
<v Speaker 6>more than once every two years, even to census for

846
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 6>the government to tell how they're doing and retrospect. Now

847
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 6>I think we should have made that every three to

848
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:35.679
<v Speaker 6>five years, because I have again on my website published

849
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 6>resources about the cost of hibernation disturbance. When you go

850
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.159
<v Speaker 6>into a cave and force about to wake up out

851
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 6>of hibernation in the wintertime, he burns up on average

852
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 6>thirty to sixty days worth of stored fat reserve. This

853
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 6>fungus is killing bats because it makes them. You know,

854
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.320
<v Speaker 6>like if you've ever had chiggers or poison ivy, you

855
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 6>don't sleep well at night, you wake up, Well, that's

856
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:04.039
<v Speaker 6>what's happened to the baths. They're waking up out of hibernation.

857
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 6>It's very costly, and that's why they're coming out before spring.

858
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 6>They're desperate, they're starving, and that's why they're dying. Well, imagine,

859
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 6>once white nose syndrome came along, there were some places

860
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.519
<v Speaker 6>where researchers are going in there half a dozen times

861
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 6>or more winter and sometimes spending hours.

862
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 7>Oh wow, and they're even more tired.

863
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 6>That would have been enough to knock the population that

864
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.280
<v Speaker 6>cave out without any fungal problem.

865
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.239
<v Speaker 4>So let those snoozy, little floppy faced fuzz puppets sleep people,

866
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 4>get out of their beautiful vulvenoses, let them catch somesease.

867
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.159
<v Speaker 6>Evolution is going to play its course.

868
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that makes sense.

869
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:48.239
<v Speaker 6>And I don't know of any evidence yet that any

870
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 6>species is going to go extinct because of this, All

871
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.840
<v Speaker 6>the ones I know of that where it's passed by

872
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.519
<v Speaker 6>far enough we'll go to have an idea seem to

873
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 6>be hanging on. I won't call it thriving, but hanging

874
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 6>on and showing signs now of recovery.

875
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 4>So if you're worried about about the bats, don't lose

876
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:13.440
<v Speaker 4>all your sleep over just white nose.

877
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 6>White nose is only affecting right now, less than a

878
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:23.880
<v Speaker 6>dozen species wow, out of forty some species in the US.

879
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:27.400
<v Speaker 6>They don't all have to hibernate in caves. Some species

880
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:29.920
<v Speaker 6>are actually probably benefiting because they don't have to compete

881
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 6>with the ones that are dying from white nose syndrome.

882
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.760
<v Speaker 6>And I'm not going to say that's beneficial overall. The

883
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.599
<v Speaker 6>good side may be that we have suddenly become much

884
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 6>more aware of bats and how harmful it could be

885
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 6>to lose them, and more people have learned about bats

886
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.079
<v Speaker 6>and care because of white nose syndrome. But I do

887
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 6>believe all the colonies that have been best monitored that

888
00:50:54.840 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 6>I know of are starting to recover. They're good and

889
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:06.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm very optimistic. One thing that I'm very concerned about

890
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:13.760
<v Speaker 6>is working with sport cavers, who often discover old roosting

891
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:19.199
<v Speaker 6>sites and caves that nobody else knows about. During this time,

892
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:24.559
<v Speaker 6>government agencies have blanket told the cavers oftentimes they just

893
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 6>couldn't go caving, and I actually made enemies out of

894
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 6>former allies. And we need those cavers out there telling

895
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.079
<v Speaker 6>us where our places are that we need to protect,

896
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.559
<v Speaker 6>and often they're very happy to do it for us

897
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.679
<v Speaker 6>if we just cooperate with them instead of just saying

898
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:44.000
<v Speaker 6>you can't go caving anymore.

899
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, is to try to get them invested in it

900
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:51.639
<v Speaker 4>as well. Merlin Tuttle, National treasure Skilled Diplomat. Now on

901
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.679
<v Speaker 4>Merlin Tuttle dot org you can find a fifteen minute

902
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:58.599
<v Speaker 4>video titled the Power of Winning Friends and not Battles

903
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Merlin Tuttle's observation philosophy. I love him. Have you mentioned

904
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 4>he's an American hero? Okay, So it's dark and mysterious

905
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.039
<v Speaker 4>in caves, and how do cavers tell if there have

906
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.039
<v Speaker 4>been past bat parties?

907
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:15.360
<v Speaker 6>They stained the limestone, and you can tell by the

908
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:18.840
<v Speaker 6>contours and the stain on the limestone. You can actually

909
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.360
<v Speaker 6>estimate roughly how many bats lived there in the past.

910
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:26.119
<v Speaker 6>And there are plenty of those places where bats could

911
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 6>be restored, even millions. And I personally have seen at

912
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:37.920
<v Speaker 6>least at least multi millions restored where there were none.

913
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:42.440
<v Speaker 6>Oh wow, not multimillions in one cave, but like in

914
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.920
<v Speaker 6>one Tennessee cave it was down to sixty five gray

915
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.079
<v Speaker 6>bats and now it's up to a quarter million. There

916
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:53.360
<v Speaker 6>are many encouraging instances where we can see that we

917
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:56.199
<v Speaker 6>are re establishing hundreds of thousands of bats. It's not

918
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 6>all about millions dying. There are things that we can

919
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 6>do to restore habitat. We can put up bathouses in

920
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:10.559
<v Speaker 6>our backyards, and we should be very concerned about caves

921
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:14.480
<v Speaker 6>that can be restored. Years ago, when everybody was scared

922
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:18.400
<v Speaker 6>death of rabies, commercial cave owners and they don't like

923
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:21.800
<v Speaker 6>call themselves commercial cave owners. They used to not want

924
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.960
<v Speaker 6>any baths in their caves because people are so frightened

925
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:28.039
<v Speaker 6>and freaked out by them. But we have a cave

926
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 6>right here in North Austin. Now it's a commercialized tour

927
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:37.119
<v Speaker 6>cave and it's got quite a few hibernating baths in

928
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 6>it that have learned to ignore people because it's very

929
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.559
<v Speaker 6>well protected and nobody ever harms them. And people walk

930
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.159
<v Speaker 6>right by within two meters of those baths and the

931
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:54.480
<v Speaker 6>bats don't even pay any attention. And you know, the

932
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 6>bats are very good at adapting to us, if we'll

933
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:02.480
<v Speaker 6>only adapt to get along with them. Right And despite

934
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Speaker 6>all this stuff about how bats are supposed to be

935
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:08.840
<v Speaker 6>such dangerous disease carriers, let me point out that they

936
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:11.360
<v Speaker 6>have one of the world's finest track records. I don't

937
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.519
<v Speaker 6>know if any animal has a finer track record than

938
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 6>bats that living in close association with people without causing

939
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:18.840
<v Speaker 6>human sickness.

940
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 4>Right, And it's so cool to think that they might

941
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 4>be all around us and we just don't get a

942
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 4>chance to necessarily see them. And Ryan and Jasmine want

943
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 4>to know what material is closest to that of bat wings,

944
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 4>like how can you make a batsuit?

945
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:39.840
<v Speaker 6>I have seen comparisons in terms of strength where I

946
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 6>think there's actually a medical doctor that wrote this said

947
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 6>that the average bat wing was nineteen times sturdier than

948
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 6>a surgeon's glove. Oh my gosh, that's the best statistic

949
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 6>I can come up with on wings.

950
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 4>Pretty solid stats. So I looked into it and their

951
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:01.400
<v Speaker 4>skin that stretches like a living drum between those gorgeous,

952
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:06.079
<v Speaker 4>freakishly long fashioned model fingers. That's called a potassium or

953
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:10.920
<v Speaker 4>petasia plural, and it's two thin layers of skin with

954
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.639
<v Speaker 4>a last in between it. Also, Listener no fundacal says

955
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:16.639
<v Speaker 4>she got slapped once in the face by one and

956
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 4>it felt leathery. And I don't know why she calls

957
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:22.480
<v Speaker 4>herself no fundical because that's a top notch story. Boy, howdie,

958
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 4>She's fine. So moving on, to things that are not excellent.

959
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 4>What is something about bats or about your job that

960
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.159
<v Speaker 4>you really don't like? What sucks about being a chiropterologist?

961
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:36.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I don't like.

962
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:38.440
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, what's the worst part about your job?

963
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Speaker 4>The thing that you're like, Oh, this, The worst part.

964
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:42.360
<v Speaker 7>Is just.

965
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 6>I have founded more than one conservation organization and spent

966
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:55.239
<v Speaker 6>most of my life. You vowed to that, And the

967
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:59.679
<v Speaker 6>worst part for me is day to day wanting to

968
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:04.880
<v Speaker 6>be sure that I find the financial resources to keep

969
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:06.960
<v Speaker 6>those good people that follow me and want to help

970
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:13.960
<v Speaker 6>it's financially healthy and their families. Okay, it isn't easy

971
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.920
<v Speaker 6>even now to raise money for bats. People and organizations

972
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 6>will line up and compete with each other to protect

973
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:25.719
<v Speaker 6>cute things like pandas. And the crazy thing is there's

974
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.719
<v Speaker 6>nothing uncute about bats. It's just the belief. Here's another

975
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.000
<v Speaker 6>one of our craziest about humans. You know, we perceive anything.

976
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 6>The bigger the eyes, the more beautiful. You don't want

977
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:42.960
<v Speaker 6>a very big nose, You don't want to be very

978
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:43.639
<v Speaker 6>heavy set.

979
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, quick aside. For more dirt on incredibly screwed

980
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.559
<v Speaker 4>up beauty standards, listen to the two part coology episode

981
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 4>with psychologist doctor Beni Ngel. We did not discuss pandas

982
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.480
<v Speaker 4>in it, but it is otherwise very juicy in life changing.

983
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.840
<v Speaker 6>What animal by those token should we dislike the most?

984
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.320
<v Speaker 6>Some panda, elephants.

985
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.639
<v Speaker 4>The elephants, okay, I was saying, the panta is a.

986
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:12.519
<v Speaker 6>Little Everybody loves elephants. And you want to know another

987
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.880
<v Speaker 6>interesting statistic, more humans are killed annually in the United

988
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:18.480
<v Speaker 6>States by elephants than by.

989
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:22.519
<v Speaker 4>Bats by the Bye. I looked up most deadly animals

990
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 4>to humans, and the top two are mosquitoes and humans.

991
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 4>Bats are like, don't look at me, man, I'm eating

992
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:33.159
<v Speaker 4>the mosquitoes that are killing you. And I've never been

993
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:35.920
<v Speaker 4>caught up in a life insurance scandal that's on y'all.

994
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.199
<v Speaker 6>That just shows how rare it is for anybody killed

995
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:39.679
<v Speaker 6>by bat.

996
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:43.880
<v Speaker 4>I think what you will do for bats is what

997
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.920
<v Speaker 4>people did for whales in the seventies and elephants. I

998
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.920
<v Speaker 4>think that I think that your work alone may bring

999
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 4>bats into human consciousness where they are not just.

1000
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:57.280
<v Speaker 7>An October decal or decoration.

1001
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.840
<v Speaker 6>You know, well, you know that's that's one of my

1002
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:08.320
<v Speaker 6>primary purposes and being a photographer until I learned to

1003
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:12.159
<v Speaker 6>take pictures of bats as they really are. You could

1004
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.760
<v Speaker 6>almost never see a picture of bat that wasn't snarling

1005
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.719
<v Speaker 6>in self defense. You take a little bat whose head

1006
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.960
<v Speaker 6>is no bigger than my thumb, provoke him. He thinks

1007
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:23.360
<v Speaker 6>you're about to eat him. You take a picture, blow

1008
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 6>it up to page size. Looks like a saber tooth

1009
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:28.880
<v Speaker 6>tiger on the attack. Who in the world wouldn't be

1010
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:29.800
<v Speaker 6>afraid of this critter?

1011
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.440
<v Speaker 4>And what kind of speeds do you have to use?

1012
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.280
<v Speaker 4>What kind of camera? What kind of speeds and lenses

1013
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.159
<v Speaker 4>do you have to use to get these gorgeous pictures?

1014
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.239
<v Speaker 6>You don't have to take everything that fast, But now

1015
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:44.159
<v Speaker 6>I take almost all my pictures, at least if they're

1016
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.039
<v Speaker 6>flash pictures, they're taking it about a forty thousands of

1017
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:47.559
<v Speaker 6>a second.

1018
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:49.840
<v Speaker 7>Wow, they're gorgeous.

1019
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:54.119
<v Speaker 6>Well, the pictures have been a major, major part of

1020
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 6>the public turnaround when it comes to bats. Seeing is believing,

1021
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.360
<v Speaker 6>hearing is not quite there.

1022
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.559
<v Speaker 4>And now the best part of your job, your favorite

1023
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.480
<v Speaker 4>thing about bats, your favorite thing about your job.

1024
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:12.800
<v Speaker 6>Anybody that associates with me would tell you loud and

1025
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:17.480
<v Speaker 6>clear that I am a bat photography addict. I love

1026
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:22.679
<v Speaker 6>getting great pictures that nobody else has thought of getting

1027
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:31.400
<v Speaker 6>and I will sit out for seemingly endlessly waiting for

1028
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:37.360
<v Speaker 6>something to happen, And usually it's for the purpose of

1029
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 6>promoting conservation. Everybody knows. I'll spend ten times more time

1030
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:43.199
<v Speaker 6>trying to get a good shot of a bat catching

1031
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:47.159
<v Speaker 6>a insect that costs billions of dollars in crop losses

1032
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:50.119
<v Speaker 6>as an insect that's just pretty or ugly or something.

1033
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:55.480
<v Speaker 6>But people ask me what I do in my leisure time.

1034
00:59:56.320 --> 01:00:00.960
<v Speaker 6>I study baths and photographed bats for vacation time. I've

1035
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:02.719
<v Speaker 6>had a lifelong vacation.

1036
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:05.840
<v Speaker 7>That is the best.

1037
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:13.320
<v Speaker 6>And one of my favorite things is developing, perfecting my

1038
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:17.599
<v Speaker 6>ability to change attitudes for the better for the environment,

1039
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.719
<v Speaker 6>and that over time takes a lot of skill. Yeah,

1040
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:26.039
<v Speaker 6>you learn to ask questions rather than debating people who've

1041
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:27.440
<v Speaker 6>done things you disagree with.

1042
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:29.719
<v Speaker 4>I think you would have been a great politician, but

1043
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad that you helped the bats instead.

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<v Speaker 6>Probably more productive. I didn't really say that.

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<v Speaker 4>This has been just years in the making and quite

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<v Speaker 4>possibly my favorite conversation I've ever had. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 4>much for letting me come to your place, your roost here.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you're very welcome, and just know that we didn't

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<v Speaker 6>even cover a tenth of what should have been talked

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<v Speaker 6>about about bats. So if you get a big encore,

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<v Speaker 6>come on back. You'll be welcome. A great job.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, doctor Tuttle.

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<v Speaker 7>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>So there you have it. Shamelessly ask the sharpest minds

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<v Speaker 4>the dopiest questions because that is how they learned, and

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<v Speaker 4>people who love things want to share those things.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, follow Merlin Tuttle on all social platforms. He

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<v Speaker 4>and his social media right hand, Teresa Nikta, are both amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>He is on Twitter at Merlin's Bats, Instagram at Merlin

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<v Speaker 4>Tuttle Photo, on Facebook at Merlin Title Bat Conservation, and

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<v Speaker 4>of course Merlin Title dot org has all those links.

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<v Speaker 4>That website is an incredible resource for photos of bats

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<v Speaker 4>and articles and blog posts for Merlin and future trips

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<v Speaker 4>in the field with him, so check that out. The

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<v Speaker 4>worst thing about his work, and he has drank out

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<v Speaker 4>of cave puddles, is making sure it's all funded, so

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<v Speaker 4>of course a second donation went to his organization for

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<v Speaker 4>this episode. To support you can go to Merlin Title

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<v Speaker 4>dot org.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Links for this episode are up at aliwar dot com,

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<v Speaker 4>slash Ologies, slash Chiropterology, and there are links in the

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<v Speaker 4>show notes. There are also shirts and hats and tots

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<v Speaker 4>and Ologies merch available at aliwar dot com. Thank you

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<v Speaker 4>Shannon Feltiz and Bonnie Dutch for managing that, and also

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<v Speaker 4>check out their comedy podcast You Are That. Thank you

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<v Speaker 4>to admins of the Ologies podcast Facebook group Aaron Talbert.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you to all the Ologies transcribers helmed by Emily White.

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<v Speaker 4>Transcripts and bleeped episodes are at aliwar dot com slash

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<v Speaker 4>Ologies dash Extras. There's a link in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you to assistant editor Jared Sleeper of the mental

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<v Speaker 4>health podcast My Good, Bad Brain and the mustachioed bat,

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<v Speaker 4>which I believe is a species of bet Stephen Ray

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<v Speaker 4>Morris of the percst Cat Pod and the Dino Pod

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<v Speaker 4>c Jurassic Wright, who edits all these pieces together each week,

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<v Speaker 4>And if you listen all the way to the end,

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<v Speaker 4>you know I tell you a secret each week, and

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<v Speaker 4>this week the secret is that I'm recording these asides

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<v Speaker 4>from a hotel room in Austin. I'm here shooting for CBS.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty sad because I don't think I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 4>to see Marlin again while I'm he but hopefully I'll

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<v Speaker 4>be back in Austin soon. Austin, You're a great town.

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<v Speaker 4>What's up with that? Why are you so good? This?

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01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:13.639
<v Speaker 4>Pretty people are nice? Food is good. It's got a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of antique malls. Also, one more secret. I had

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<v Speaker 4>fu today and it was very onion heavy, and I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like my hands still smell like onions, and I

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<v Speaker 4>can't figure that out because i didn't eat the soup

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<v Speaker 4>with my hands and I've washed my hands several times.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just alone smelling like onions and a Hampton

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<v Speaker 4>in in Texas, Google and bat Dicks.

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<v Speaker 7>This is the life I chose, and I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, next week, I'm not going to tell you what

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<v Speaker 4>the episode is, but I'm very stoked about it. Okay, Okay, Pacadermatology, mambiology,

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<v Speaker 4>rbdo Zoology, Lithology, Technology, meteorology, paratology, anthology, zereologylology,
