1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Live. This is pet Life Radio. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: Let's talk pets. This episode of Catitude is brought to 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,039 you by me Augreens. Get a free Jumpstart trial bag 4 00:00:14,119 --> 00:00:18,120 for your cat today. Go to meowgreens dot com and 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:37,320 use promo code Catitude. 6 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: Hello, feline friends, Welcome to Catitude. I'm your show host, 7 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:46,280 Michelle Burn. Now this I was told this episode two 8 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:50,280 hundred I think sixty eight. I have never had a 9 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,439 topic quite like this, so I'm really excited. My guest 10 00:00:54,479 --> 00:00:59,520 today is a contributor to a book that talks about 11 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,719 cat and hord sci fi and fantasy movies. 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For more information on how you 22 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,879 can advertise on the number one pet podcast, and radio network. 23 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Visit Petlife Radio dot com. Slash advertised today. 24 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:58,879 Speaker 4: Let's talk pets on petlifradio dot com. 25 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome Christopher Robinson. He 26 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,120 is one of the collaborators of several for the book 27 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:12,599 Meau Kats in Horror, sci Fi and Fantasy Movies. Welcome Chris. 28 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,199 Speaker 2: Can I call you Chris, Yeah. 29 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 5: Of course, yes, thank you. Thanks for having me. 30 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,759 Speaker 1: Michelle, Yeah, I'm very excited to have you. Can you 31 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:21,520 share a little bit about your background. I know you're 32 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,800 one of several collaborators on the book there is. This 33 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:25,719 is quite a book. 34 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty it's like a companion of basically, it's 35 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,240 pretty exhaustive just about every cat themed horror and sci 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,560 fi you know movie known is probably mentioned in my 37 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,360 background is Yeah. I was generally writing about Western history 38 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:48,560 and film for a period because I was the senior 39 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,759 editor of an online publication called Western Magazine Digest. But 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,639 over the years I've been contributing to these reference guides 41 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:01,560 that Vanessa Morgan has been publishing. She's actually in Belgium. 42 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,039 She's they call her the Stephen King, the female Stephen 43 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,520 King of Belgium, well of anywhere I guess, but yeah, 44 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,840 she's the one that sort of agglomerates all these international 45 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:17,080 writers and her. You know, cats are an obsession for her. 46 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:21,159 She's written novels about pat and she's written these film 47 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:25,400 reference guide about horror and sci fi. But this time 48 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:30,120 she co leesed her too favorite interests and made a 49 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,639 whole reference guide that just covers every cat theme, horror 50 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,120 and fantasy and sci fi film out there. 51 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,719 Speaker 1: This is and that's Vanessa Morgan. 52 00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:44,919 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Vanessa Morgan. Yeah, there's there's another celebrity named 53 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,680 Vanessa Morgan that's probably more more known in North America, 54 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,680 but this Vanessa Morgan is pretty popular in Belgium and Europe. 55 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,759 She's in charge of a lot of film festivals and 56 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,639 some of her books have become films too. 57 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,199 Speaker 1: Okay, now what about you. I know you're a writer. 58 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:04,719 Are you into cats? 59 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 5: I'm not into cats. I'm into films, so okay, film 60 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,319 buff Yeah, But I since I helped her out with 61 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,400 these other, uh these other reference guides, I guess she 62 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:19,079 coaxed me into, uh kind of giving her something for this. 63 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,720 But there were some films that I was a fan 64 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,360 of that have cats in them, so you know, it 65 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:25,720 was an easy thing. 66 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they're calling to you, maybe adoption, you know. 67 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:34,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe this is getting me crept for 68 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,480 a new uh, a new pastime. 69 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Prepped to be a cat daddy? 70 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 5: Yeah right? 71 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:45,519 Speaker 1: So what was the reasoning behind the book? So why 72 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:50,199 did Vanessa decide I'm going to write an exhaustive reference 73 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:54,439 guide about cats and horror, sci fi and fantasy movies. 74 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, I guess uh. When her first reference guy 75 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,399 that she put together, it was called called When Animals 76 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:06,439 Attack These seventy movies Best Movies with Killer Animals, And 77 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,480 I think while she was putting that together, she was 78 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,480 thinking that it would be great if she could do 79 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:15,839 the same thing with one that just centered on cats. 80 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,680 And the more she edited that book, the more I 81 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,120 guess she discovered that there were plenty of those kind 82 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,240 of sub genres out there that you could actually fill 83 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,040 up another reference guide with that, and that it would 84 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,199 also be interesting to people and marketable. 85 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,759 Speaker 1: You know, as I went through this reference guide, I 86 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,079 couldn't help noticing that there are a lot, like a 87 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:44,519 lot of movies about cats. There's hard there's sci fi 88 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,199 and fantasy that's mentioned. How many movies are actually I 89 00:05:48,199 --> 00:05:50,959 didn't count them. How many movies are actually mentioned. 90 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 5: Well, there's I guess there's about at least eighty that 91 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,399 are with main entries, and then there's an additional chapter 92 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:05,920 that covers just memorable scenes with cats in certain films, 93 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,399 so that you could have those important moments mentioned without 94 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:13,439 devoting an entire essay to something that you couldn't write 95 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:17,360 about as much. But yeah, there's I guess it goes 96 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:20,560 back to the beginning of cinema. I think one of 97 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,480 the first Thomas Edison films featured a couple of cats boxing. 98 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,639 They had like gloves on and had them doing like 99 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,160 a sparring boxing match. And I don't know, I don't 100 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:34,279 know how realistic it was. It would it looked like, 101 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:36,759 but it sounds like something I might want to see 102 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:37,399 one day. 103 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,399 Speaker 1: Was that the first film ever with cats? 104 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 5: That might have been yet that might have been one 105 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,839 of the very first ones, if not the first one, 106 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:48,720 because that's like before the twentieth century, something like the 107 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:53,519 eighteen nineties. I think when he was doing these experiments. 108 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,519 Speaker 1: That's pretty incredible. I've talked about this on the show before, 109 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,560 but not in the genre of film we were discussing. 110 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,120 It was more with Halloween but this is not that, 111 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:08,079 and Halloween is many months away unless you're listening again 112 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,240 to this show during Halloween. Thank you. But let's talk 113 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:15,360 about this. Why are there so many cats in horror movies? 114 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:18,680 You know again with the black cats, the cats, and 115 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,160 the witches. I get that, But just in your opinion, 116 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:25,680 as you know, an expert, you wrote about this. You're 117 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,079 a writer, you're a fan of the films. You hear 118 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,639 about horror cats. You hear about, you know, bewitching cats, 119 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:35,759 but not so much like say dogs, I mean, except 120 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,439 for were wolves, and that's quite a dog. 121 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:39,519 Speaker 5: Yeah, different. 122 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: So why cats? 123 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's something that you know that the imagery of 124 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,480 cats has always I think spurred people's imaginations and fantasies. 125 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:52,839 I guess it goes back to their mysterious that there's 126 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:57,879 sometimes mysterious sort of persona, you know, their eyes and 127 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,560 the way they can move around, the whole nocturnal thing, 128 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,720 and that's always fed into people's imaginations in terms of 129 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:10,720 what you can do cinematically and in literature and so on, 130 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,160 which is probably why they're the subject of so many 131 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:20,759 fantastical and horrific films and videos and books. Or they 132 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:24,000 could just be in the periphery. Sometimes they're just they're 133 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,439 a part of the storyline or just off to the side, 134 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:32,360 but their imagery is memorable, even in a story that 135 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:38,279 doesn't concentrate specifically on cats, or they don't figure into 136 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,039 the story at all. 137 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,759 Speaker 1: It made me think about cats, and all three of 138 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,320 mine have very distinct personalities. I think the one that 139 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,919 would be best in film is Molly because she does 140 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,759 have that look. I think you hit it on the 141 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:54,799 head when you said their eyes, because cat's eyes are 142 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,519 so unique, and you know it's sometimes it's the shape 143 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,960 of their eyes. For instance, my cat Dennis, he's part 144 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,159 me incun is a rounder. He always has the innocent eye, 145 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,240 like what me, I didn't do it, you know, like 146 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,399 that innocent round. 147 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, that's their personalities, right. 148 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he has that personal Molly's are like more 149 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,799 evil looking, and she's a diva and she can be evil. 150 00:09:19,039 --> 00:09:20,600 So sorry Molly, but. 151 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 5: You know, well we should sign her up maybe. Yeah, 152 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,120 she's one of them to make it into a film, right. 153 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, she has to get in better shape though she's 154 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:30,559 a little fat. 155 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 5: I think those cats that did the prize fighting made 156 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:36,759 like thirty five dollars a week or something like that 157 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:38,440 that wasn't too bad in those days. 158 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,399 Speaker 1: Prize fighting. 159 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,519 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's boxing cat hopefully fake. Yeah, well they 160 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,679 didn't have what aspca back then, but hopefully, yes, somebody 161 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:49,559 was making sure it didn't get too crazy. 162 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so let's get back to the movies. Like 163 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:56,000 I said, there is a lot of movies. If you 164 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,039 like cats and you like movies, this is the book 165 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,279 for you. And now I mentioned black, but there's not 166 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:05,440 only black cats. I saw gingers, I saw white cats. 167 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,879 I saw what I think is gray because some of 168 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:11,000 these are in black and white. Most of them are 169 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,399 in black and white. All of them are in black 170 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,399 and white. Actually, so there's something mystique about cats. What 171 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,919 I find interesting is cats can be depicted as mysterious, 172 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,240 as evil, as sexy. You hear that. You know, dogs 173 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,639 are not considered sexy, but cats are. 174 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 5: Cat Woman from the Batman comics. They never had dog warmen. Yeah. 175 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: Cats have all these stereotypes placed on them for different reasons. 176 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:39,600 Why do you think that is. 177 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:45,799 Speaker 5: Well, it goes back to the like ancient ancient cultures, 178 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,919 ancient Egypt, they had a god, right, a goddess, cat goddess. 179 00:10:51,039 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: They did fast. 180 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:57,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's in the ancient Rome, ancient Greece, Japanese 181 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,399 and Chinese cultures, Nordic mythology because cats have always been 182 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,519 around and maybe that you know, they've had this long 183 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,799 lasting impact too, so their image just kind of transcends 184 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,200 storytelling almost you know, it predates. It goes back to 185 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,960 the spoken folklore, you know, just spoken stories before they 186 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,879 could write down histories and tell their stories their different mediums. 187 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense, and thanks to the 188 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:29,200 magic of Ai. I think the Egyptian Cat you were 189 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:29,919 thinking of his. 190 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 5: Best debt, best set, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even 191 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:37,840 in that The Old Mummy Boris Karloff, it has no 192 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:43,519 cat subplot, but it figures. The heroine's cat figures into 193 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:48,360 the story after towards the finale, and I think Boris 194 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,559 Karloff is taken back just by her cat because of 195 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:55,840 his you know, ancient he's actually this ancient mummy and 196 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:59,399 it goes back to, you know, his faith. No one 197 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,039 covered that. I don't think that movie in the book, 198 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,600 but that could have been one, you know, just because 199 00:12:04,639 --> 00:12:05,759 of the subtext of it. 200 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,919 Speaker 1: You know, there were a few that I looked up 201 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,240 that I didn't see and listed, but there are so 202 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:14,799 many listed. What is your favorite cat horror or sci 203 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:18,360 fi or fantasy film or one of each. 204 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 5: I really like Shadow of the Cat, the black and 205 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:28,679 white film from the early sixties, which was about this. Well, 206 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,799 it was a woman with a cat, with her pet cat. 207 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:34,080 She was reading I don't know if it was Poe, 208 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,519 but she was reading some poetry to her cat when 209 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,879 she was killed by her ex husband and some of 210 00:12:40,879 --> 00:12:44,480 the servants that he used to help him knock her off. 211 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:49,600 And after that point there's a big gathering of all 212 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:55,639 the benefactors of her will, and the cat is still 213 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:59,399 roaming the grounds, making them all nervous because I guess 214 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:02,639 her cat or cat Tabitha is the name of cat, 215 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,840 and tabith have witnessed the murder, and Tabitha is the 216 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:08,720 only one who knew who did it, and they're all 217 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,639 very guilty and apprehensive, and they're out to try and 218 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:17,600 try and forge a new will and get the fortune 219 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,919 and get away with murder, but the cat isn't going 220 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,039 to let them do it. So it's like a unique 221 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,440 kind of story that actually it's kind of a theme. 222 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:30,960 I don't think too many people too many other filmmakers 223 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,279 have touched upon. But it's not even that well known 224 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,240 of a film, I guess, but I thought it was 225 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:39,759 a good one. And it's a black bat too, so 226 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:43,000 it falls into the black category pun intended. 227 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: The black cat category is like a love and hate 228 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,279 relationship on catitude because while we love black cats, but 229 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,159 there's a stigma which causes people to adopt black cats 230 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,919 right around. A lot of shelters, won't you know, adopt 231 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,120 out black cats around Halloween because they get adopted out 232 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:03,879 people like you know, use them as their costumes and 233 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:06,320 then they either let them loose or return them to 234 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:06,799 the shelter. 235 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, that I didn't know, but I was aware 236 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,200 that there was they had problem that they had more 237 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,320 black cat in shelters that have a less chance of 238 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:22,600 getting adopted. Very true, but there are more black cats. 239 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: Not only cats, dogs too, but definitely with black cats. 240 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:28,960 Probably goes back to superstition, goes. 241 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 5: Back to the bad luck saying yeah. 242 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,799 Speaker 1: Which we know is just superstition. Anyway, We're going to 243 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:40,120 take a quick break and we'll be right back. Hey guys, 244 00:14:40,159 --> 00:14:43,279 Michelle Furne, here is your cat slowing down or having 245 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,159 health issues? Do you wonder what can I do to 246 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,200 make them feel better? 247 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:47,799 Speaker 2: Well. 248 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,679 Speaker 1: Meowgreens added to your cat's food for ninety days will 249 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:58,200 show amazing results. Guaranteed. 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Okay, so moving along with my 270 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:25,720 questions on cats and how are sci fi and fantasy 271 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:29,679 movies which I don't watch that many of them. I 272 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,840 have watched some, probably more sci fi than fantasy and horror. 273 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,120 I don't watch a lot of horror because then I 274 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:41,240 can't sleep. But very interesting how the cats are depicted. 275 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:45,600 It's also interesting to me that there's this is not 276 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:48,639 just something in North America. You know, we're based in 277 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:51,600 the US. We have lots and lots of listeners, which 278 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,039 I'm always grateful for in the US, but our listeners 279 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,000 are all over the world because you know digital, We're 280 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:00,679 on the Internet. So with that in mind, it's interesting 281 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,039 that this book has films from all over the globe. 282 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:09,279 What country do you think has the most. I think Japan, 283 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:11,480 That's what I was going to say. Yeah, they have 284 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:15,519 a whole subgenre just about supernatural cats. So that's a 285 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,480 popular thing right there. There's a multitude of movies and 286 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:24,279 stories made just about those type of cats. But that's 287 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:27,799 probably like just like China, I think that's that's something 288 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,640 that's been in their culture for a long time, that 289 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:35,559 kind of those entertainment ideas. And the other thing is 290 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:39,519 I had a show a long time ago, and cats 291 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,680 are just they're very popular in Asia and they're also 292 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:46,680 popular I think they have. I might be getting this wrong, 293 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:49,359 so somebody will send me an email correct me. But 294 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,160 I believe either in China Japan, cats are actually considered 295 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,920 good luck not bad luck. 296 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 5: It's interesting, yeah, because it depends like whether poosh culture 297 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:02,359 is influenced by neighboring you know, country's culture or something 298 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,240 like that, you know, and that would make sense that 299 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:08,000 another region would see it in a totally different way 300 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:11,240 and proliferate a different, different kind of traditional It was 301 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:14,880 even that the mule cat, which is I guess that's Nordic. 302 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,480 It's it's supposed to be a myth of this of 303 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,960 a giant, giant tiller cat. I would equate it to 304 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:27,519 sort of like children's tales. Fairy tales seek to encourage 305 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,559 kids to be good children by remembering certain fairy tales. 306 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,160 I think in the case of the mule cat, it's 307 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,079 a monster that comes out when the Norwegian children, if 308 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:42,039 they haven't done their chores before Christmas. The cat will 309 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:44,519 know by the you know how the way the house looks, 310 00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:47,599 and then the cat will emerge from the shadows. 311 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: You know, Saint Nick not to bother. 312 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I guess that I would imagine that would 313 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,000 do the trick, that would that would scare me into 314 00:18:54,039 --> 00:18:54,839 doing my chores. 315 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,559 Speaker 1: That would okay, So I got clarification. It's Japan, Scotland 316 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,960 and parts of England that consider black cat's good luck. 317 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,160 I remember doing a show way back and it was 318 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,079 actually Japan. That was what I had previously talked about, 319 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,640 that black cats are considered good luck. And there's actually 320 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,400 really nothing against black cats crossing your path. Don't do 321 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,920 anything other than any other cat crossing your path. But 322 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,680 there's the stigma of imagination which will cause people to 323 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,759 say something bad happens after I see a black cat. 324 00:19:28,839 --> 00:19:31,400 Let's attribute it to the black cat. 325 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:33,599 Speaker 5: Right, you have to blame something or someone. 326 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. So I found in going through the book, 327 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:42,279 I found some that I found interesting. There's those few 328 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:44,400 popular movies. These are the ones that I found. The 329 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,359 most popular horror pet cemetery. You can talk about the 330 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,440 nineteen eighty nine and twenty nineteen version Cats Eye, and 331 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:55,200 of course the Black Cat with Edgar Allan Poe, and 332 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,079 then for science fiction Alien and then the Cat from 333 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,319 Outer Space Fantasy. There's just a lot And when you 334 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,720 mentioned Japan, because a lot of it is anime. 335 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,519 Speaker 5: Am I anime? 336 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a few movies in that style as well. 337 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:18,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty predominant. I believe in that genre as well. 338 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: Yes, And there's even you even discuss TV shows, So 339 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:25,079 when anybody thinks of a TV show, they think of 340 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,319 Sabrina the teenage witch, right with the talking cat. 341 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,799 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I forget the name of the cat, right. 342 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,839 Speaker 1: And then this is an old old I wasn't around 343 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,519 when this came out, but it's I've seen it bewitched, right, yeah, 344 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:41,880 because I think in the. 345 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,319 Speaker 5: It was a black cat from what I recall. 346 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, like he has a cat jump into arms and 347 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,759 it becomes her husband in the intro. 348 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:51,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, that went along with the witch stereotype. 349 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: The witch stereotype. Yep. 350 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned the cat jumping. That's even considered like 351 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,720 a cliche. And uh, suspense movies are horror movies. The 352 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:05,559 cat jump where it's one of those false scares where 353 00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:07,880 you want to get the audience to get a rise, 354 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,480 get get a big jump, you know, jump out of 355 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,200 their seats without showing any hard like just a faker, 356 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:17,119 you know, Oh it's just a cat. You know. They'll 357 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,559 throw a pat into some of those horror pictures just 358 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:22,519 so they can do that, you know. At some point. 359 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:27,079 Speaker 1: Okay, if you were to write your next movie and 360 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,000 it had cats, and it was either horror science fiction, 361 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,240 which would you choose? When what kind of a movie 362 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:33,720 would it be? 363 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 5: Yeah? I would go into science fiction or out because 364 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,920 you could project all your ideas alongside some of the 365 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,960 tropes and mythology that's already out there, with what you 366 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,960 can sort of foresee in the future in a time 367 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:55,480 that hasn't happened with technology, maybe taking the story into 368 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,440 a different direction that nobody's really covered yet. So I'd 369 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,759 probably go this science fiction or out for that reason. 370 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:05,400 And I think I think cats, you know, could figure 371 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,880 into that kind of scenario very, very interestingly. 372 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,559 Speaker 1: I agree with you, okay, with everything we've talked about 373 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,119 cats and with just every you know, you're a writer, 374 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,359 You've written about all kinds of things. Is there any 375 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,240 other animal I know we think of that cats as 376 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,200 are for babies, but they are an animal that could 377 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:30,599 fit into movies or even books, not as a book 378 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,279 about cats, but where cats are either a side character 379 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,160 or the main character. Is there any other animal that 380 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,480 could fit into that role? Because I can't think of one. 381 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:44,079 Maybe wrote into a little bit, but that's I don't 382 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:44,440 want to talk. 383 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 5: That's you know, yeah that when you said wrote that 384 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:52,480 reminded me of that movie Willard. That's what came to mind. 385 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,799 But they brought cats into that also into that storyline. 386 00:22:56,839 --> 00:23:01,039 But yeah, you're right, it's hard to sort of imagine 387 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,559 another kind of animal. Whereas you could tell those you 388 00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:08,920 could do the same things in terms of these films, 389 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,279 you know, at least stories and these TV shows. 390 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:13,839 Speaker 1: I couldn't see a dog, and I love dogs too. 391 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,240 I love cats and dogs and lots of other things. 392 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:18,200 Couldn't see a dog, couldn't see a fair, couldn't see 393 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,519 a fish, couldn't see a lizard or iguana, snake. I mean, 394 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,319 snakes can be a little creepy, but I can't see 395 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,079 a snake having that range just in harm maybe not 396 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,680 the range horse, snow turtle, pig, duck, goat. 397 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, we can see ourselves a little. 398 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,039 Speaker 1: Or we could sit here and just get through them. 399 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:40,960 But I think that's why people either, you know, they 400 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,720 have such a love hate relationship with the cats. Not 401 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,960 that many people hate cats, only a small percentage. Actually 402 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:50,680 not everybody has cats because of allergies. But I think 403 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:54,079 the people that don't like cats, I think just don't 404 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:58,720 get them because they are stoic creatures. They're not easily 405 00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:01,680 red which could be part of the mistake and why 406 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,640 they're successful in you know these types. 407 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,599 Speaker 5: Of right, that's true. There's an inscrutability about them, and 408 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,200 there's a human, almost human aspect, and that's why we 409 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,720 can't envision that, I think like a dog doing some 410 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:17,440 of these same things. 411 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:22,759 Speaker 1: No, never, where can people purchase meaw exclamation point Cats 412 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,880 and Horror, Sci Fi and Fantasy Movies? And it is 413 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,079 by Vanessa Morgan. 414 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,519 Speaker 5: Yeah, I almost forgot the exclamation point myself. 415 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: And well I put an exclamation point because if you're 416 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,119 doing a lot of folks do you know searches and 417 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,279 if you look just up me how you're not going 418 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,440 to find this? It's mew explanation point Cats and Horror, 419 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,960 Sci Fi and Fantasy Movies. Where can we buy it? 420 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 5: Well? Amazon is I think the best outlet to order. 421 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, and do you have anything cal related that 422 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,359 you're working on soon? 423 00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 5: Well, actually, Vanessa Morgan will be t trying out a 424 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:05,759 similar reference guide but with the dog scene, So maybe 425 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,519 we'll find out some of the answers to what you 426 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:13,240 and I were just speculating. If that comes together, I 427 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,960 guess it'll be just like this, but it'll be dogs. 428 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,880 I believe in horror and horror movies, maybe there'll be 429 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,319 a lot more of those than we realized existed, just 430 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,720 like we didn't know there were so many cat horror movies. 431 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,839 Speaker 1: Right who knows? Well, Chris, thank you so much for 432 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,079 coming on Catitude. 433 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. I enjoyed it mentally. 434 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,599 Speaker 1: My feline friends, I hope you enjoyed this show. I've 435 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:40,680 never had a show quite like this before. Again, the 436 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,759 title of the book is Meow exclamation Point Cats and Horror, 437 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:49,079 Sci Fi and Fantasy Movies, and it is a great 438 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,440 reference book for all of you horror, sci fi and 439 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,599 fantasy movie lovers that also, of course love cats. Thanks 440 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,240 to my guest Christopher Robinson for coming on the show. 441 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:03,559 Thanks to my cat crew, Dennis, Charlotte and Mollie. I 442 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,480 think Mollie would be the device. She would be the 443 00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:09,519 best one in films. But Dennis probably is. He listens better, 444 00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:12,880 so maybe he would be Who knows. And thank you, 445 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,000 of course, my listeners of Catitude. I appreciate your listenership 446 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,240 so much, Thank you very much. And this show would 447 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,319 not be possible without the magic of my producer, Mark Winter. 448 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,640 Thank you Mark for all you do. And remember, lose 449 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,880 to Attitude, Have Catitude 450 00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:34,799 Speaker 4: Let's Talk bests every week on demand only on petlfradio 451 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:50,759 dot com.