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Last hour we talked about I went over 11 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:34,439 all of the details of this ruling against the one 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,159 bunch of the tariffs basically the Liberation Day tariffs that 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,520 Trump imposed using a law called the International Emergency Economic 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,240 Powers Act AIPA, and a three judge panel determined that 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,119 he exceeded the authority granted under the Constitution, but also 16 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:59,399 the various laws that they cited for why they had 17 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:03,399 the power to do the wide ranging, you know, ten 18 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:06,599 percent baseline on everybody and then another set of tariffs 19 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:08,840 on everybody. On top of that, there is a chunk 20 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:13,519 of tariffs that are remaining because they did justify it 21 00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:18,640 under law. This is like aluminum automobiles, parts and stuff, 22 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:21,319 and these are you know, national defense reasons or whatever, 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,280 and so under a different law those remain in place. 24 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:30,560 But the widespread ones, particularly the ones on Canada and Mexico, 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,599 that were used to exert pressure to get them to 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,640 do something unrelated to trade that broke the bounds of 27 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:43,640 IEPA as delineated in the law. According to these three judges, 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,239 who are lawyers with a wardrobe change, but one of 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,200 them was a Trump appointee, one was a Reagan appointee, 30 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,239 and the other was an Obama appointee, they all agreed. 31 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:58,079 It's being appealed to the US Supreme Court. The Court 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,560 stated that Congress is typically respond contible for issuing tariffs, 33 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:04,599 not the president alone, and that Trump's rationale for the 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,959 exception to the rule did not meet the Emergency Act 35 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,520 threshold to act unilaterally. 36 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:11,439 Speaker 1: Quote. 37 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: The President's assertion of tariff making authority in this case 38 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:21,280 unbounded as it is by any limitation in duration or 39 00:02:21,319 --> 00:02:26,159 in scope, exceeds any tariff authority delegated to the president 40 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:31,039 under AEPA, because there's no limiting principle. Based on the 41 00:02:31,159 --> 00:02:34,960 arguments put forth by the government in the court case, 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,960 and so they said, the worldwide and retaliatory tariffs are 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,960 contrary to law. The lawsuit was brought by the nonpartisan 44 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,680 Liberty Justice Center on behalf of five small businesses that 45 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:52,919 get goods from countries dinged by the White House's tariff policy. 46 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,560 All right, so we had a bunch of people call 47 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:57,400 in at the end of the last hour. We still 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,759 have Stan and Jim. Start with Jim first. Hello, Jim, 49 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,759 Welcome to the program. 50 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete. I think there have been times in our 51 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,439 history when a strong peasancy, maybe even I'm not a 52 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,439 history maybe even save the country. Most recently, Roosevelt comes 53 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:18,400 to mind. During World War Two. He gave us all 54 00:03:18,439 --> 00:03:21,960 that social cramp which we'll never pay for in the thirties, 55 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,879 but he made some decisions in World War Two, including 56 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,759 hanging out with Churchill and Churchill's own special bedroom man 57 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,199 in the White House for almost six weeks during World 58 00:03:33,199 --> 00:03:36,159 War Two, and made some decisions that got us through that, 59 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:40,159 even a really key one, you know, Stylin kind of 60 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:44,039 embracing someone, embracing Stalin to try to get rid of 61 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:47,240 this Hitler, you know, world War two. Minutes. 62 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:52,319 Speaker 2: Wait, hang on, Jim, are you suggesting that people throughout 63 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:58,199 history may be a bit more complex than simply all 64 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,879 good or all evil, and that they sometimes do some 65 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:04,159 good things and then do some things that are not 66 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:04,599 so good. 67 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:05,479 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? 68 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 69 00:04:07,159 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: Wow? 70 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:12,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah. Lincoln the Civil War, he made some decisions 71 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,480 that I helped I think helped the North prevail and 72 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:22,199 the country benefit as a result. So a strong presidency 73 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:25,560 is not necessarily a bad thing in the history of 74 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,439 this country. Right now. The thing that I really got 75 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,759 excited about with Trump coming in just swinging left and right, 76 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,360 saying whatever he needs to say to try to bring 77 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,560 some kind of meaning to the uncontrolled administrative state that 78 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,279 we call sometimes called the swamp in d C. This 79 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,000 judgment that came out by this agency or whatever were No, it's. 80 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: A three judgement. No, it's a three judge panel. 81 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:56,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a classic example of it. And I kind 82 00:04:56,439 --> 00:05:00,680 of disagree. You said the presidency executive branch's kind of 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,000 gotten out of control. I still say it's in a neck. 84 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,920 I'd say the main thing out of control is the 85 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:09,279 swamp and DC itself. 86 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:12,519 Speaker 1: And but that's why. But that's Jim, We're saying the 87 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:12,959 same thing. 88 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,199 Speaker 2: The reason why the swamp exists is because of the 89 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,839 executive branch overreach. 90 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: All those agencies. 91 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:22,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think it's bigger than that. 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: Well no, but Jim, all of the agencies that write 93 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,399 the rules, whether it's low flow faucets and shower heads 94 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:36,399 and tank toilet tank sizes, right to climate change rules 95 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:39,680 written by the e p A or Obamacare rules written 96 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,399 by the Health and Human Services Secretary. 97 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 4: Right. 98 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: The offloading of these decisions to executive branch agencies is 99 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,399 the problem that is the deep state. 100 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: So what you're saying that came from the executive branch. 101 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:56,079 Speaker 2: They are in the absolute So they are in the 102 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:02,160 executive branch, Yes, but Congress abdicates their responsibility and their power. 103 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,439 They turn it over to the executive branch and they say, well, 104 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:09,360 the Health and Human Services Secretary shall right the rule. 105 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,680 And then you had the Chevron doctrine, which for fifty 106 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:17,079 years whatever forced or allowed these agencies to get the 107 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,519 deference in court, and it created this monstrosity of the 108 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,279 executive branch. And now you're at a point where the 109 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:28,879 executive branch leader, the president can't even fire people inside 110 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:31,519 the executive branch, right, Like, this is the where we 111 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,360 agree at identifying the problem. But the head of the 112 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:40,800 executive branch is still the president. And I still want 113 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,800 that entire branch restrained. President all the way down to 114 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:48,000 the office workers. I want all of them restrained. 115 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:52,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, not in my lifetime. And I go back 116 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:55,959 to Osenhower. That's how old I am. Do I recall 117 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:59,759 a president in the White House that had the gut 118 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:04,720 and shall I say whatever to make the decisions and 119 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,079 do and say what Trump is making. I'm getting a 120 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:11,319 little bit discrmal now with this bill that's coming through 121 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:14,600 right now. Don't remember, don't forget Trump's first term. He 122 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,079 spent money like crazy. Yeah, okay, but he also rebuilt 123 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,920 a lot of the military, which I thoroughly agreed with. 124 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:24,680 I think we needed it at the time. I think 125 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,439 we still need some changes in the military on the 126 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:33,240 spending side, unfortunately. But he's making the decisions and he's 127 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:37,199 making some calls. I've never seen any presidency making my lifetime. 128 00:07:37,279 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: And all of that is Jim. All of that is fine. 129 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:42,959 Speaker 2: So just like you said at the beginning, that people 130 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:45,040 have good in bed, right, they do good things. They 131 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,480 do things that you don't like, and you can point 132 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,879 to all the good things as reasons why you like him. 133 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,879 I'm not arguing with you for why you can like 134 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,759 the president, I'm pointing out that this legal ruling seems 135 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:02,000 to fit. This is not an example of the judicial 136 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:05,920 overreach that we have seen in all of these other cases. 137 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm fifty to fifty on Trump right now. I can 138 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,000 take him or leaving with some of the things I'm 139 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,480 seeing going on. But let me tell you something about 140 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,759 these tariffs we have as a country. Let the whole 141 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,160 world dump stuff in this country. All of my lifetime, 142 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:23,680 I've seen it, from the Japanese cars, the German cars. 143 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,399 Everything comes into this country. But when we try to 144 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:30,480 get those markets, it's impossible. I thoroughly agree with what 145 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:34,200 Trump's doing with tariffs. It even has an outside chance 146 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,440 with enough revenue generation to flatline our taxes. 147 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:39,919 Speaker 1: I doubt that bill. 148 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: This new bill still does not get a fifteen percent 149 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,279 corporate tax rate, which we desperately need, or even lower 150 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:50,519 for all manufacturing in this country, like a whole lot 151 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,960 of the rest of the world has right now. 152 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:55,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're not going to get me to defend 153 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,039 the big beautiful bill because I cannot. I don't like 154 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,080 a lot of that stuff either in it. Yeah, So, Jim, 155 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,120 I appreciate the call. It's good to hear from you. Yeah, 156 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:11,320 good and bad. Everything's a mixed bag, right. There is 157 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:17,440 no perfect president, because there's no perfect person. I just 158 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,080 want to make sure that when an executive is doing things, 159 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,559 even if I agree with them, that they are within 160 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,639 the bounds of the law, because if you allow it 161 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:30,960 for your guy, then you are in no position to 162 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,559 argue that the guy you don't like who takes over 163 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,840 next can't do the same thing. This is exactly what 164 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:39,840 I've been telling the left when Obama was doing it, 165 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,080 when Biden was doing it, right the very same reasons. 166 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,159 Speaker 1: This is not what we should be okay with. 167 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: All Americans should not be okay with an executive branch 168 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,600 that does all of these things that it has been doing. 169 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,879 That's a consistent argument that I've been making, and this 170 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:03,799 ruling seems to line up pretty well with that principle 171 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:05,559 for me. Again, that's just for. 172 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Me, all right. 173 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 2: If you're listening to this show, you know I try 174 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,360 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 175 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:12,480 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 176 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:16,720 say get your news from multiple sources. Why, well, because 177 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:19,440 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 178 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,799 been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and 179 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,919 it's a website, and it combines news from around the 180 00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:28,639 world in one place so you can compare coverage and 181 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,559 verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, 182 00:10:32,879 --> 00:10:35,879 dot news slash pete. 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Your subscription then not 192 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,120 only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News 193 00:11:08,159 --> 00:11:12,480 as they make the media landscape more transparent. Stan, he's 194 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,399 been hanging on a long time. Stan, Welcome to the show. 195 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: How are you hello? 196 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 4: First, it's Sam. That's okay, Sam understood. But second is 197 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:27,159 we the people. If stations like yours and media like 198 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,559 yours would take and start publishing a list of names 199 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:37,639 of the representatives and senators who vote to increase spending, 200 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,320 to increase our dead If you guys would get on 201 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:45,080 there and start publishing their names, outing them to the public, 202 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,279 calling on the American public to start doing petitions for 203 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,759 recall elections every time they do it, we would really 204 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,120 quickly these people figure out, Hey, this is going to 205 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,879 cost be my job, This is going to cost me 206 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:00,879 my attention. 207 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:01,399 Speaker 1: Sam. 208 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:03,759 Speaker 2: So a couple of Sam hangout a couple of things. 209 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,279 Number one, are you talking about the build that or 210 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,440 the big beautiful bill? 211 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,639 Speaker 4: I don't care what bill it is. 212 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,919 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is our debt. Okay. 213 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 4: So the bill goes through, increases the debt of this country. 214 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:18,240 They spend more money than our country's taken in and 215 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,360 put us more in debt. If those names get published 216 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:27,639 with a clause or suggestion from your people, media like yours? 217 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:30,399 Speaker 1: What do you mean? Media like ours? What do you 218 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,000 mean media like ours? 219 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 4: Not left right wing status. 220 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,639 Speaker 1: So right so conservative outwork. 221 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:41,759 Speaker 4: Do you believe that your media outlet is for the 222 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:43,679 best of the American public? Yes or no? 223 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely? 224 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 4: Okay. Then if media outlets like yours in the best 225 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:53,519 interest of the American people in this country start outing 226 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,720 these centers and congressmen who vote to increase our debt? 227 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: Right, So do you think that we have not done that? 228 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,759 What do you think that I can only speak for myself? 229 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:08,799 Do you think that I have have like protected Republicans 230 00:13:08,879 --> 00:13:11,279 for passing bills that increase spending. 231 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:15,919 Speaker 4: I ain't saying about protecting. I'm said outing, because that's 232 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:19,480 a complete opposite. That's like, I'm not saying you're you're 233 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,159 a man. I'm just I'm not I'm saying you're not 234 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:24,600 a woman. 235 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,759 Speaker 2: I'm not following your analogy. I'm asking because you said 236 00:13:29,759 --> 00:13:33,000 what I need to do is tell tell everybody who 237 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,000 voted for the bill, And I'm asking, are you aware 238 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,080 of me not doing that? Do you not ever hear 239 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:43,240 me talk about bills that pass and how all the 240 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:47,480 Republicans either opposed it or voted for it, and Democrats 241 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,240 voted for it or voted against it. 242 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 4: I'm not saying just you, I'm saying media outlets. 243 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: Like, well, okay, but Sam, all I can do is 244 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,360 speak for my All I can do is speak for myself. 245 00:13:59,399 --> 00:14:01,759 I can't speak for any other like host on the show. 246 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,399 I can't speak for the news department. So all I 247 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:06,919 can speak for is myself. So I can tell you 248 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,960 that whenever one of these omnibus spending bills comes down 249 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,799 the pike and the the Republicans sign off on it, 250 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:16,679 I object, and I say all of the Republicans voted 251 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,159 for it. I've called out Republicans who voted for or 252 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,039 against if they break with their party on stuff. Yes, 253 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:28,519 I identify them. The second part of your your call 254 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,000 is for is for me and I guess everybody on 255 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:36,960 the station to launch a recall effort against these lawmakers. 256 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,639 But there is no such thing as a recall of 257 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,360 federal elected officials. 258 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:45,399 Speaker 1: You cannot do it. It's an election. 259 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:49,279 Speaker 2: There's no recall for a US senator. There's no recall. 260 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,440 Have you ever heard of a US senator being recalled? 261 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:55,799 Speaker 4: Then maybe we need to start something new. 262 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: Okay, well I mean that that's then okay, then that's fair. 263 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,840 You'd you'd have to get that approved by the very 264 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:05,519 people that you want to threaten with recalling. So that's 265 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:08,120 the challenge there is. You'd have to get a constitutional amendment. 266 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,240 I'm just laying out if this is something that you 267 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:13,759 are interested in pursuing, I'm just laying out sort of 268 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:15,960 the blueprint for you, which is you would have to 269 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,639 get a constitutional amendment passed by the states, and you'd 270 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:23,919 have to go through the both chambers of Congress, right, 271 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:26,840 and then you would also then have to get it 272 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:29,519 done in North Carolina because we do not have recall 273 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,240 ability in our state laws or for our state lawmakers either. 274 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,080 So I'm just laying out the blueprint. But that's why 275 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,799 you don't hear anybody in any media trying to launch 276 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,600 recall petitions for US senators or US congress members, because. 277 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: Okay, can we go a different direction then? So she 278 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,039 said that's not possible. Not yeah, yeah, or either way, 279 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,919 but she said that's not possible. We can go another direction. 280 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:59,759 We can start they go fundme to file criminal charges 281 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,720 against these people, which I'm believe anyone can file criminal 282 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:08,120 charges no for it being an act of treason and 283 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,759 have these guys charged with treason. 284 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: So what would the desdrawing. 285 00:16:13,039 --> 00:16:16,639 Speaker 4: Our country and destroying our dollar the Secret Service used 286 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:20,399 to be original purpose of Secret Service was to protect 287 00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:24,200 our currency. So they don't do it anymore. What was 288 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,000 what would politicians? 289 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:31,519 Speaker 2: So you're asking, you're asking for federal charges of treason 290 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,360 to be filed, and you and you want to go 291 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,840 fund me set. 292 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:37,399 Speaker 1: Up in order. 293 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: Well, lawyers cost money, right, but the. 294 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: But the charging comes from the US Attorney's Office or 295 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:46,799 the DOJ. 296 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 4: The people. People. You're telling me American citizens are not 297 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:53,399 allowed to pol charges against anybody. 298 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,799 Speaker 1: No, not against not against charges. 299 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 4: Really, who do you think, I'm I know people have 300 00:17:01,039 --> 00:17:01,399 done it. 301 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: You can petition, No people convicted. 302 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,319 Speaker 2: No, the state tries and convicts. 303 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: No no, no no no no no, yes yes yes. 304 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,839 Speaker 4: For the fact the public can who tries. 305 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: The case larger who tries the case. 306 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:20,799 Speaker 2: So let's say Sam, you and I we say, let's 307 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:22,759 say we pull our money, we get to we get 308 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:26,079 a million dollars together, and we want to go file 309 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,000 charges against somebody somehow criminal charges. Who then goes to 310 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:32,359 court to prosecute that. 311 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 4: Case is the lawyer that you hired? 312 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:35,519 Speaker 2: The lawyer? 313 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:36,319 Speaker 1: So do you hear? 314 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:42,039 Speaker 2: So? Are you aware of private prosecutors trying criminal cases? 315 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 4: Yes? Where Lanchester County Courthouse? 316 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:48,839 Speaker 1: In what case. 317 00:17:50,599 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 4: A person had stolen some stuff from my store, My 318 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,960 brother and his wife used to run and they filed 319 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,240 charges and the guy was convicted and sent to jail. 320 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,559 Speaker 1: And this was tried by a non DA non solicitor. 321 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 4: Correct, they had to hire their own lawyer to the 322 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,119 prosecuting party would not touch it. They hired their own 323 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,000 lawyer to prosecute it, and. 324 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: The guy went to jail. 325 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,839 Speaker 2: Yes, he went to jail based on that trial, or 326 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,319 not in a subsequent trial or not through some plea 327 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,720 deal or not through like you're saying, this was a 328 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:26,720 criminal trial. 329 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: Tried and convicted by a private prosecuting attorney. 330 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: Who convicted Was it a judge or a jury trial. 331 00:18:35,319 --> 00:18:36,079 Speaker 3: A judge? 332 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, what you're describing to me is unlike any other 333 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,079 process I have ever heard of. And now, granted, I 334 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,400 mean I don't know all of the different processes in 335 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,279 all of the different states, but I am pretty confident 336 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:58,440 that private citizens cannot prosecute US senators for treason, pretty 337 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,160 confident on that one. 338 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 4: All the they're immune. Do we have royals and nobles 339 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,759 in this country now there are no from prosecution. 340 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:09,799 Speaker 2: No, I'm saying the private city. There is a system 341 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:12,640 of justice that takes it out of. 342 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: Want the fox to go, you want the fox to 343 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:16,920 stop the fox? Right? 344 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,519 Speaker 2: Did I say that that's that's absurd. You're just now making. 345 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: Up say you said we can't know it? 346 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:24,839 Speaker 2: No, I said, I'm not aware. I said I'm not 347 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,519 aware of whatever the process you just laid out about 348 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:33,279 private citizens criminally convicting somebody in a criminal court of 349 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,680 law and then going into state custody for it. And 350 00:19:38,839 --> 00:19:42,839 then I said, I'm pretty sure that the US senators 351 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,160 cannot be tried by private citizens. 352 00:19:46,759 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 4: Well maybe we need it. 353 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe you should research that. Yeah, maybe maybe maybe, 354 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,200 maybe it's lots of maybe's there. Uh, I cannot verify 355 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:58,680 anything that Sam just said. 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I said, I 382 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:37,599 am not aware of any law that allows somebody to 383 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,039 just a regular citizen to criminally prosecute somebody else and 384 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,839 try a case and then get a judge to incarcerate 385 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,640 somebody in a state prison. So I asked, and the 386 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:58,519 answer In the United States, private citizens generally cannot initiate 387 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:06,160 criminal prosecutions, cannot even initiate them, let alone try them. 388 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:13,039 The right to initiate criminal prosecutions is typically reserved for 389 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,240 government officials, such as public prosecutors or in South Carolina, 390 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,680 they are called solicitors or district attorneys. Right, But they're 391 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,680 all prosecutors and they represent the state. That's why in 392 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:33,720 all cases it's always the state versus Joe Schmo. Right, 393 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:40,039 it's never Pete Calendar versus Joe Schmo. If it is, 394 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,920 that's usually a civil matter. And if you are, you know, 395 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:53,079 suing somebody in a civil matter, the standard of evidence 396 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,640 in order to convict is lower. That's a preponderance of evidence, 397 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,200 which is basically fifty one. Like if you get fifty 398 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:06,960 percent plus one, then you then you win. You've convinced 399 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,880 the judge. And you usually don't get jury trials, but 400 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,640 sometimes you do. 401 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: You can. 402 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,319 Speaker 2: But that's the civil proceeding. You don't have the state 403 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:21,400 involved in that except to adjudicate the matter between two parties. 404 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,279 And so when Sam said that there was this example 405 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:33,240 in Lancaster, I assumed Lancaster, South Carolina. Well, in South Carolina, 406 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:42,079 a private citizen can initiate a criminal case by approaching 407 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,799 a magistrate, and that that's the same. In North Carolina, 408 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,359 a private citizen can also initiate a criminal case through 409 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:57,559 a magistrate. The magistrate then can only issue a summons, 410 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:02,079 not an arrest warrant in North Carolina, but a summons. Oh, 411 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,000 same goes for South Carolina. You can issue a summons, 412 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,519 the magistrate can, but that's not a warrant for somebody's 413 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:14,440 arrest because that's the state that does that. The state 414 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:19,240 issues a criminal warrant for your arrest because the state 415 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,960 is prosecuting you for something. People get into Magistrates deal 416 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,759 with this stuff literally all day. This is all they 417 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,640 deal with is people coming in wanting to get warrants 418 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:35,480 out on somebody else, usually domestic related, but also property 419 00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:40,039 crime kind of things. Right, you can initiate doesn't mean 420 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:43,400 you try the case the state. If it goes to 421 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,640 a trial and somebody's liberty is at risk, the defendant's 422 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,960 liberty is at risk, that's not a private citizen that 423 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,960 is trying that case. 424 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: That's a civil matter, it's not a criminal matter. 425 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,559 Speaker 2: So I think maybe that's what Sam was talking about 426 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,279 unless because I also had some time I check this 427 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:10,599 Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvan Maybe, but I thought he said 428 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:17,519 South Carolina. Rule five h six of the Pennsylvania Rules 429 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,960 of Criminal Procedure permit an individual to file a private 430 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,400 criminal complaint with the Office of the District Attorney. If 431 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,880 you file a private criminal complaint, you become the affiant 432 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:32,599 or the person making the allegation. Just as if you 433 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,359 were a police officer. The same rules apply to you 434 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,880 in filing charges that apply to a police officer. A 435 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,200 mere allegation is not sufficient to initiate criminal charges. Filing 436 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,559 a private criminal complaint in no way guarantees the criminal 437 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,839 charges will be filed, just as a police officer must do. 438 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,319 You have to demonstrate probable cause exists that the person 439 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,599 you wish to have arrested committed a crime. Probable cause 440 00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,720 is the legal standard of proof that the courts require 441 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,680 in order for charges to be filed in other than 442 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:11,200 summary offenses. The DA must approve every private criminal complaint 443 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:17,160 before a district judge is permitted to issue process, and 444 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,319 then it talks about the procedure. You have to fill 445 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,359 out all of these forms here return the forms. The 446 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,920 DA's office will then look to approve it or reject it. 447 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,319 They usually would then forward the complaint to a county 448 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,640 detective to conduct an investigation of the crimes. With the 449 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,880 additional information provided by the investigation, the Assistant DA will 450 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,279 then make a determination if probable cause exists to justify 451 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:49,759 the charges. If the Assistant DA determines that the law 452 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,079 that probable cause exists, the complaint will be approved and 453 00:26:53,119 --> 00:27:00,279 referred to the District Justice to proceed with the process. Then, 454 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:04,519 if the private criminal complaint is approved, you must appear 455 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,960 at any and all core proceedings that result, and you 456 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,759 will be responsible for providing the District Justice with the 457 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,960 names and addresses of all persons you wish to call 458 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:23,359 as witnesses on your behalf and summary offenses are defiant, trespassed, 459 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,400 disorderly conduct, and harassment. 460 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: So maybe that's what he's talking about. 461 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,039 Speaker 2: But he said, I thought he said something about it 462 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,160 being theft related or something, So I don't know. Maybe 463 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,400 it was Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, but wasn't aware of that product. 464 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,119 Like I said, I don't know what all fifty states 465 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,640 have for all of their laws. 466 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: And I heard years and years. 467 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 2: Ago that like you know, you could be a you know, 468 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,279 you could file like a private you know, cause of 469 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,759 action or something against somebody and whatever. But there's a 470 00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,200 reason why you never hear this stuff happening is because 471 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,839 states don't allow it. And it's usually the state that's 472 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:09,720 prosecuting crime and civilians doing civil all. 473 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: Right, Hope that clears it up. 474 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,839 Speaker 2: So I don't want to misinformation getting out there for everybody, 475 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,880 all right. So spring is here a time of renewal 476 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,519 and celebrations. You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries and the special 477 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,079 days for mom and dad. Your family's making memories that 478 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,240 are going to last a lifetime. But let me ask you, 479 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:30,640 are all of those treasured moments from days gone by? 480 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,359 Are they hidden away on old VCR tapes, eight millimeter films, 481 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:38,880 photos slides? Are they preserved? 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Mail orders 492 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,759 are accepted to get all the details that createavideo dot 493 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:23,799 Com got this message from Dwayne, who says, regarding Sam's call, 494 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,039 in regards to the listener who spoke about private prosecutions 495 00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,720 criminal prosecutions, I have been in law enforcement in Lancaster 496 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,599 County for over thirty years. I have never heard of 497 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,279 or observed any private prosecutions. I am aware of instances 498 00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,960 where the solicitor's office had conflicts in a case and 499 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,480 they would have a solicitor from another circuit come in 500 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:50,400 and handle that prosecution. Yes, that is very standard. Also, 501 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:54,640 citizens in South Carolina do not press charges, only law 502 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,920 enforcement officers can. Tony says, these people watch way too 503 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,319 many movies. And to answer Sam's question, and I look, 504 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,720 I'm not picking on Sam. I understand the frustration. I 505 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,799 think I think he has a bit of a misunderstanding 506 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:14,559 about the way the court system works and such. But 507 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,920 I understand the frustration absolutely. And when he says, you know, oh, 508 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,319 do we have royals, No, we do not. That's the 509 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:24,319 whole point of you know, the bald eagle, right, there's 510 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,160 no crown. But the whole point of this experiment of 511 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,200 America is that we do not have royals. People don't 512 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,039 just get you know, deeded titles and property and power 513 00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:40,839 because of their family lineage. No, what we have is 514 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,799 the rule of law. That's that's the difference, and that 515 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:50,400 we are all equal under the law. And so that's 516 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,759 why you have all of the you know, this this 517 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,160 scaffolding that has been built up over time called the law. 518 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,000 And maybe it's too much at this point. It does 519 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,720 seem a bit overbearing oftentimes, but no, that's the point. 520 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:12,599 And so when so when trying to seek redress for 521 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,400 these things that frustrate us, we have to work within 522 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,759 the rule of law. And that's what the whole tariff 523 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,079 ruling was about. And if you don't like what the 524 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,400 law says about a particular thing because it's you know, outdated, 525 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,000 or there are loopholes, or it's unjust or whatever, there 526 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:41,319 are ways to go about dismantling the law, taking out 527 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,839 that law. There are laws about how to do that, right, 528 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,200 so we're all on the same page. This is how 529 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,839 it's supposed to function. This is how it's supposed to operate. 530 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,960 And I have never been somebody that has ever tossed 531 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,880 around the idea, let alone the call for somebody to 532 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,279 be charged with tree, because that is a death penalty 533 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,720 and I don't do that. I don't call for people 534 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:13,079 to be executed because I really don't like their votes 535 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:18,240 on things. And honestly, it is not a it's not persuasive. 536 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,799 It doesn't get people to your side in an argument, 537 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,799 generally speaking, unless you've only surrounded yourself with people that 538 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,079 think exactly like you do, you know, and then it 539 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:37,519 usually becomes this drift towards the more extreme because it's like, well, 540 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,759 oh yeah, I think they should be charged with trees. Oh, 541 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:41,799 I think them and their families, so I think everybody 542 00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:46,680 should be. So you're constantly pushing more and more outward 543 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:51,519 against those bounds. So I don't that is not something 544 00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:52,079 I call for. 545 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:52,559 Speaker 1: Lightly. 546 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:56,279 Speaker 2: Now somebody steals a bunch of nuclear secrets and gives 547 00:32:56,319 --> 00:33:01,880 them to our enemies. Yeah, okay, I'm thinking that's treason us. 548 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,359 You know that like that warrants the charge of treason. 549 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,000 Here's one, uh, the the people who have been engaged 550 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:14,200 in the cover up of Joe Biden and signing all 551 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,599 of the legislation. 552 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,759 Speaker 1: That depending on the. 553 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: Circumstances, and that's that's a very big caveat right, I have, Well, 554 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,920 the people that are that were involved in it, to 555 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,400 what extent, I do not know what exactly were they signing. 556 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,000 Was there any compensation for what they were signing? 557 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: Right? Some of this stuff. 558 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,839 Speaker 2: I am open to be persuaded that maybe some trees 559 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,440 in charges could be applied to some of these people. Sure, 560 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,240 but again, the details the facts of those cases would 561 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,559 matter immensely. But I don't call for it now because 562 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,200 I don't I don't have any of those facts. Where 563 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,720 hopefully we get some and then we can decide from there. 564 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,720 But no voting the wrong way on a bill and 565 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:10,880 putting the nation into further debt, that is not That's 566 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:17,360 not something that you execute people over. In my mind, now, 567 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,039 maybe you would have no problem executing a whole bunch 568 00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:22,920 of people because they voted the wrong way on a 569 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,840 spending bill, but that's not my take. 570 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: On it at all. 571 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,679 Speaker 2: And I dare say that is a fringe position, but 572 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,719 you're welcome to have it. I mean, you're totally allowed 573 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,800 to have it. Yes, Jay, I agree. I think Sam 574 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,079 is talking about a civil dispute versus a criminal one. 575 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,679 I agree, Seth says Pete. I see the entire book 576 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,320 of rulings Trump is creating at a breakneck pace, closing 577 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,639 doors on loopholes that they have seen past administrations use, 578 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,800 or Trump's team sees as a future problem they need 579 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,360 to quash. Four D chess at its finest. You are 580 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,639 free to believe that as well, Seth. I know every 581 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,280 time I look at what I'm looking at and I 582 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,159 have no idea what the hell is going on with 583 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,440 some of these decisions and strategy. And I am told 584 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,480 you don't understand, Pete. This is multi dimensional chess. You're 585 00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:15,960 playing checkers. Whatever is like, we'll see. And as I said, 586 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,639 with the tariff stuff, you better be right, that's all. 587 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:23,199 You better be right because if you're not right, we 588 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,000 are screwed in some really bad ways. 589 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm not saying we are. I'm not. 590 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,679 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so the world is any I'm not 591 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,400 saying that all I'm saying is the people who are 592 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,599 advocating that there are all these unknown plans behind the 593 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:40,039 scenes and we just don't understand it all. And this 594 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:44,239 could be a grand strategy to close down every single loophole. 595 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,599 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see, and I hope you're right. 596 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 2: Equal under the law, Pete. This is from Tim. He says, 597 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,960 some are more equal than others. Many in DC come 598 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,599 to mind. Yeah, two legs good, four legs bed. That's 599 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,199 an animal farm reference for folks who aren't to wear 600 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,960 at A message from Timoteo, who says, dang it, boy, 601 00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:13,679 I was all in on the obstructionist judge's narrative and 602 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,239 then you change my mind. I wasn't trying to change 603 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,800 anybody's mind. I'm just giving you the information and I'm 604 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,239 offering you my opinion on it, and you are free 605 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:30,880 to have different opinions. Absolutely I encourage them. Void says 606 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,760 he now has a massive migrain. He's going to have 607 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,360 to go lie down now. Well, you can still listen 608 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:41,000 while you're lying down. D Stewart says, having lived through 609 00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:43,320 the loss of over two hundred and fifty textile customers 610 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,320 in one and a half years, I was willing to 611 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,440 see fair trade work as free trade legal or not. 612 00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:50,920 The Congress can't even stop forty million dollars a week 613 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,119 payments to the Taliban. I'm pretty sure they can't do 614 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:55,519 better making trade deals. 615 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: I agree. I'm not confident in Congress's ability on any 616 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:00,599 of the stuff either. 617 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 2: However, if we are a nation of law, right we 618 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,920 live under the rule of law and not of men, 619 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,559 then Congress needs to give power to one guide to 620 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,360 do it. I would oppose that, by the way, because 621 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:18,800 I don't want a president that can slap two hundred 622 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,119 percent tariffs on every single country. 623 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,679 Speaker 1: I said this at the time Trump announced it. 624 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 2: I don't want that kind of power because if Trump, well, 625 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,239 when Trump is out of office, somebody else comes in. 626 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,239 They may have a different set of enemies and friends, 627 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,519 and I don't trust that next person either. All Right, 628 00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:43,880 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 629 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,960 for listening. 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