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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pegana show.

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Oh we have a treat here, two guys that love

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to do the deep dives. So let's try to keep

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this under three hours. Gentlemen, how you doing, Stormy? Doing well?

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Speaker 2: Doing well?

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Speaker 1: What's going off, ILOs?

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Speaker 3: Everything's good in the hood.

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Speaker 1: Who wants to go first? We're we're going to talk

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about a We're gonna get controversial again, but and probably

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piss a bunch of people off, But you know, I

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think that's what this shows for. So who wants to

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start this off?

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Speaker 3: Fine, well, yeah, I'll I'll just play it straight. So

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the essential information to know for the Dolls brothers is

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John Foster Dolis was an American Secretary of State and

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Alan DoLS was the Director of Central Intelligence from nineteen

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fifty three to nineteen sixty one. That was concurrent with

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the time that JF. Dolis was Secretary of State. Now,

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you might assume that two men, being brothers in high

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positions of power in the federal government, would exercise some

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kind of undue influence on the foreign policy of the

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United States, And you would be correct to go into

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the life of the Dulles brothers is to understand the

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trajectory of both the foreign policy of the United States

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from about the forties through the late sixties early seventies,

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but also to understand big changes, sweeping changes that occurred

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within the internal structure of the government. So I guess

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on this stream, I'll kind of be the straight man,

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presenting information from primary sources. I deliberately tried to stay

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away from especially very convoluted elements like Alan Dulles's appointment

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to the Warren Commission, as well as the ultimate culpability

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upon him for the Bay of Pigs. But other than that,

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I'm happy to just kind of go through his life

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the source material to keep it short and not overwhelm

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the conversation. I was very fortunate to come across a

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trove of primary sources from the Deputy Chief of Staff

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for Logistics in the Military Assistance and Advisory Group, and

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that individual was the head of Walker Air Force Base

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in the nineteen sixties. And as we go into alf

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Fletcher Proudy's book, The Secret War, one thing that you'll

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understand is that the CIA had an extra component, and

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that was its Defense Department, not so much equivalent, but

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its partner and how it conducts operations. So having a

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lot of these primary sources from a side of that

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organization that's intimately involved in the story is a bit

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of a tree. Very briefly, I'm just going to outline

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the sources so you know what I'm referencing, and these

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will come up again. For the early life of Alan Dulles,

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I'm citing Gentleman Spy by Peter Gross as well as

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The Devil's Chessboard by David Talbot. For my more esoteric sources,

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I also have The Secret Team by L. Fletcher Proudy,

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as well as This Secret War by Sanche de Gramont

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from nineteen sixty two. I have a nineteen seventies book,

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The Man Who Kept the Secrets about the CIA. I

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have Donovan and the Cia, which was the CIA's first

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external biography of itself in the OSS. And I also

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have the absolute classic and privilege of a first edition,

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first printing copy of Carol Quigly's Tragedy and Hope, which

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outlines the overall United States foreign policy in the twentieth century.

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So those are my sources for the stream and I'm

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happy to get into it.

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Speaker 1: You want to add anything before we start, Stormy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Alan Dulles was, and John Foster Dulles was National

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socialist sympathizers and American heroes. And we can take it

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from there, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, that filus sure so.

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Speaker 3: In getting into the early life and biography of these men,

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and to be clear, this stream is primarily going to

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be focused more on Alan Dolles than John Foster. But

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in looking at them, we also have to consider that

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most biographies that are highly critical of the Dullest brothers

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and their activities are written by leftists. So the most

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recent and prominent of these biographies, The Devil's Chessboard, asserts

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that Alan DoLS is a pro Nazi sympathizer, which is true,

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and that he didn't do enough, even though he knew

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about the Holocaust to stop German activities against Jews and

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so on and so forth. And if you're very sympathetic

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to that cause, then that book will be very enlightening.

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trove of information within that book which suggests many more

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unknowns than are available in other conventional sources about the

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Dulles brothers. So I'm going to start with one book here,

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Gentleman Spy by Peter gross, so I guess you have

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to start first off with Alan Dolles. His early life

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is straightforward, wasp. He's one of five children of a

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Presbyterian minister. He is part of a very blue blooded

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aristocratic family. There's Wikipedia articles back I think four generations

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about his family, Stormy, you might know more on that.

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His maternal grandfather was Secretary of State, his uncle was

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Secretary of State under Woodrow Wilson, and Dulles went to

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Princeton University, so already starting out he was destined for

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big things. Initially, his career began after he exited Princeton

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by a brief stint in Vienna, I believe eight months,

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and then transferring over to Bern in Switzerland. And Switzerland

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is going to be a theme that pops up a bunch.

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War One, and there's an issue of national displacement after

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Vienna and Burn, he starts interacting with people from all

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over the world in his capacity, as I believe his

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technical title was a Foreign Service officer. I'd have to

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double check that, but going into it, his job is

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to gather and collect intelligence on the surroundings. He's collecting

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information upon people dignitaries that are visiting the embassy. Since

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he's working for the State Department, he's primarily assisting people

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with things like immigration claims, and that his function as

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the Cerve Foreign Office was that, you know, he'd have

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to occasionally help Jews, so very often there's very wealthy

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and powerful Jews. This is something pointed out in the

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Peter Gross biography. An interesting little anecdote that Dullest like

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to tell throughout his life was that he missed meeting

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Vladimir Lenin by just one day when Lenin was the

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leader of the Bolsheviks. So right before Lenin left for

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the Finland station, he had arranged a meeting to come

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to the United States Embassy and have a meeting with Dulas.

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loved that story, which is that you should never pass

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up an opportunity to meet people. And that's a theme

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that's going to happen again and again. Dulas is a

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very good, ideous job. Well, he starts off as kind

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of a basic secretarial role. He quickly in the State

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Department rises to a position of prominence. I believe he's

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the second in command at this embassy, and his dispatches

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are of a significantly higher quality than his peers. So

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at this point in time teen eighteen, nineteen nineteen, Walter

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is right on the collapse of the Central Powers, and

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and the insight that Dulas is noticing and the people

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and the circumstances around him. So Litman resolved to keep

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his eye on Dulles. Many things are happening at the

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conclusion of the war. On previous podcasts with Pete, I've

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brought up how Edward Brenees went to the Paris Peace Conference,

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and that you know a multitude of other diplomats and

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people that were responsible for World War Two ultimately as well.

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and well Dulles. I don't think he's actually present at

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the Paris peace conference, but the information and the dispatches

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that are going from Las to Lipmann are used by

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Litman to persuade Colonel House that the collection of intelligence

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is an urgent priority and that if conventional diplomats don't

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have much interest in pursuing it, then there needs to

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be a shift and a change in how American intelligence operates.

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of what intelligence is to help people understand what makes

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Alan Dolles's role so special. So, the way the intelligence

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process works is that you have a central mission and

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in that mission, you have to collect data. You have

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to process and exploit it. You have to analyze and

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produce it. You have disseminate it and to integrate it.

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And then that follows with planning and direction. So the

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role of mister Dulles as he's going and he's talking

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and he's meeting to people, these aren't casual acquaintances. Dulls

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is setting up a network than Switzerland that he's going

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to lean on in the nineteen twenties and thirties as

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he goes through his career. And let's see here, I

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have to my sources are a little bit jumbled here

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other stuff. Do you want to take over for a minute, Stormy, repeat.

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Speaker 1: That, Stormy. If you don't have anything lean just now.

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Speaker 2: I was doing the thing where you talk into your

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microphone but don't realize that you're muted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sure. Professional. Every professional podcaster does that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm a professional. Now. I finally had my

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cherry popped. I didn't like it. So my knowledge of

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dulles Alan and really John Foster happens when it starts

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when they get home from the peace conference. World War

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two is I'm sorry, world War one is is you know,

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a distant memory. And they are at the law firm

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Sullivan and Cromwell. So I don't know if I is

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is where you're going next Sullivan and Cromwell.

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Speaker 3: Or no, that's correct, but finance isn't really my area

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of expertise. I only know that he was generally pro Nazi.

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I have some other specific little anecdotes from that.

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Speaker 2: But did you find your source?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 2: Jump in there, take over and I'll take it in

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the post war riors.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I found my source. Good job there.

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Speaker 3: So he's at Sullivan and Cromwell, and at this time

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he is making network connections to the Nazis. So the

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Nazis sees power in nineteen thirty three and let's fuck.

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Speaker 2: We should just wait and make it super awkward.

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found it. So Doulas is in burn and Switzerland. And

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the reason that that matters is because both in World

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War Two and in the interwar years, Doulas is making

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connections financially as well. So the Dulles brothers their lost

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their Wall Street law firm is Sullivan and Cromwell, and

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that sits at a connective node between all these different

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international banks, investment firms, and industrial conglomerates. And during World

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War One, the German economy is totally devastated, and the

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rebuilding of that falls to these banks and industrial companies,

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and so there's a lot of US and investment that

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the chemical Congomlate and Krupp Steel. There's a great book

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like two thousand pages of this history. This German steel company,

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it's entirely centered within the rule and they are producing

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the best quality steel in the planet for hundreds of years.

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which is an economic powerhouse for Germany, and because it's

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the profits that are generated by these investments then go

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in the Versailles Treaty, these flow back in the form

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of war reparations and then also back to the United

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States to pay off war loans. And so Alan Doles's brother,

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John Foster Dolas he it's very, very lucrative to have

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these investments within Germany. And even after Hitler takes power

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isolationist party. Stormy, you've touched on it in other streams.

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at this time very prominent WASP Americans had a positive

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opinion of Hitler's Germany, and Foster refused to shut down

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the Berlin office of Sullivan and Cromwell in the nineteen thirties,

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and he ordered the attorneys at this at his firm

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to sign their correspondence with Hyle Hitler until his business partner,

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who's also his brother, Alan Dulls, grew increasingly worried about

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a public relations disaster, and then it in nineteen thirty five,

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partners meeting at forty eight Wall Street, John Foster agreed

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to remove the Heyle Hitler from the letters and apparently

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was so devastated by this that he broke down in tears,

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the Hindenburg I mean, up until the disaster in nineteen

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thirty eight. It was this huge, positively received public gesture

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to see the Hindenburg flying with a huge swastik on

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its tail.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let me jump in here for a second, goes.

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I told Thomas we were doing this, and he threw

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this in there. He said that Alan Dulles met with

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Hitler in nineteen thirty three, one of the few Americans

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to do so, and it said that he came away impressed.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and that fact he kept secret from the

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successive director for the Central Intelligence Agency until he was

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on his deathbed, guy called Richard Helmes. So he kept

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it very private after the war that he had made

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and known so many different Nazi connections. And that's also

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why there's a huge gap in all the primary sources

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during the early Cold War, none of it. And I've

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looked through all of the sources and reference for any

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kind of German connection that was known during the old

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the early Cold War. The only thing that I was

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able to find was in a book detailing the rise

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of the OSS and wartime activities in World War Two.

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It was a very brief footnote mentioning that at one meeting,

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Alan Dollas had to be away because he was negotiating

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with German diplomats, and that document, that primary source used

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in the book was part of the Truman presidential archives

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and was marked as top secret with compartmentalized clearance, And

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that was the one. That book itself was from the

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official history of the agency. So all of these other

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publicly accessible sources are included, but the CIA went through

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that book specifically with a fine tooth comb to remove

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any reference to any of the German dealings. So most

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of the references come from things that are way after

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the early publications about That was the book published Donovan

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the CIA that is from nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Eighty and so after Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: The more recent one that reveals a lot of his

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German connections, that's from twenty fifteen. That's the David tal

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About one about Devil's Chess Board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what you want to do is check the rock

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off other archives for sure. That's where you find a

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lot of the German stuff because he and his brother

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only had one main client that they focused on. This

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is why the lefties hate him so much, because you know,

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if some pissant government of some pissant South American country

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wants to get up at theat and nationalize a bunch

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of United Brood or Standard Oil stuff. The CIA would

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take time out of their day to fuck you in

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the ass and take it all back and probably you know,

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do bad stuff to you. So the lefties kind of

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give him all the shit because like, oh he was

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you know, you know, a servant of you know, capitalism

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or whatever. Now he was a lifelong friend with David

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and Nelson Rockefeller, and a lot of the business relationships

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between Standard Oil, which there are many, and the Third

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Reich bringing IBM in to the Third Reich, bringing Forward

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and General Motors in a lot of the companies that

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you saw in the Third Reich got there because two

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of the top lawyers at Sullivan Cromwell and their largest client,

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John Rockefeller, wanted them there. It wasn't just it wasn't

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just John and Alan having these sympathies. This was the sympathy.

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I mean, Pete, you remember our our episodes and the

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robber Barons and like second or third when we go

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through who all aligned against I mean short, this is

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shortly after FDR was place and power. But you had

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the entire upper crust of American society, Democrat and Republican,

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trying to tear this motherfucker out of the office, including

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the guy who was the president of the Democratic Party

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and the previous presidential candidate, the guy that just put

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him in there because of who he brought with him,

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the communists, literal communists, Jewish communist underneath his little wheelchair.

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So it was vital for the ruling class of America

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while they were still ruined. It's not more than just kinship,

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like you know, like, oh, you know, this is a

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similar struggle. They viewed it as in their interest domestically

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to strengthen Germany domestically.

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Speaker 3: And I have some I have some evidence for that.

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Let's see nineteen thirty seven. He says John Foster was

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impressed by a man who, from quote humble beginnings has

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attained the unquestioned leadership of a great nation. He also

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stated in nineteen thirty nine Foster did the Germany's position

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is a morally superior to that of the Allies. Alan

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Dollas met face to face with Hitler in Hitler's Berlin

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office in March of nineteen thirty three. He was ostensibly

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on a fact finding mission to Europe for President Roosevelt,

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but was particularly interested in determine what the rise of

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Hitler meant for his lawform's corporate interests. I disagree with

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the author on that. He probably already knows by this

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point what the firm's interests are in Germany, if he's

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been doing business with them for years. He was also

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impressed with Joseph Goebbels.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, Pete, remember when we talked about how a

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lot of the people behind the American Liberty League, So

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this would be Henry Ford and and Jack Morgan, and

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I Redo Pont. I Redo Pont a longtime funder of

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hard right politics in the United States. Right, this is

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the businessman. This is right at the time of the

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businessman's plot, so to speak, right when these men and

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the Rockefeller brothers obviously these men we're also what do

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I mean like these men? So like Morgan, Ford and

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what's his name? Townsend? No, Tom has finally you found

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the I remember after talking to you about this, gentleman,

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Tom Lamont. There we go. Anyways, these men were sending

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several fact finding missions to three of the fascist nations

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at the exact same time. So I would be disappointed

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if I found out that Alan Dulles was on a

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state funded fact finding mission. You know, in the Third Reich,

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and he was not also doing the exact same thing

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as in you know, uh legal capacity. Even though he

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was there at behest of you know, Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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and the administration, he was also a the He was

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also the attorneys for a lot of these men and

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representatives and sorry was their representative of their interests in

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Europe anyways. So to think that Alan Dallas was not

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on a similar fact finding mission in relationship to how

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these fascist governments came about, how they sported a communist

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revolution and instead brought in something new, because at the

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same exact time Morgan and I Redo Pont are spending

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six million or six or seven million dollars the equivalent

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of like, uh, you know at the time four or

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five billion dollars today, sending you know, groups of people

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all with varying expertise, this historians, this linguists, not like propaganda,

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and like media wasn't a thing yet, so you got

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like they sent writers, they wanted like messaging, Like these

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guys were actively studying fascism and how to bring it

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about at the exact same time as Alan Dulls is

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on a fact finding mission at the Third Reich, the

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lawyer that represents all of these men in their business

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capacity back in the States. I there's no way he

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was not doing the exact same thing. I'm sure he

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told Roosevelt he was fact finding some other shit.

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Speaker 3: What do you know about the Bank for International Settlements?

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Speaker 2: A lot?

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Speaker 3: Okay, because that's that's coming up next?

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Speaker 2: Is that? I bet it is.

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Speaker 3: One of Doulas's most important contacts was a guy called

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Thomas McKittrick, who was a Wall Street friend of his,

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who was the president of the Bank for International Settlements.

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Speaker 2: What was he the president before that?

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Speaker 3: I'd have to look it up. If you know offhand.

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Speaker 2: A bank and financial institution you'd have heard of. I

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don't know if he was president of.

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Speaker 3: Lee, Higginson and Co.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, which would now be c in company. So

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Bank of International Settlements, my friends, is a sovereign nation.

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They issued their own passports, they have diplomatic immunity, they

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have diplomatic cable immunity. They are, for all intent and purpose,

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diplomatically and otherwise, a sovereign entity. They're as much of

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a country as Liechtenstein is, even though they're just a building.

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Is it like fourteen or fifteen floors, so they get

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to do you know, diplomatic stuff, as in like move

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people to places, move things from place to place without

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them being interfered with. The Bank of International Settlements got

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a lot of the Nazi leader the person. I can't

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prove this, but I believe like my favorite, you know

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ss Upper Crustman un Ober Group and fewer Hans Kammler,

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the man was in charge of the commerce Stott the

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fifty square miles in Poland that Los Alamos and the

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Manhattan Project and later DARPA were based on. Right, The

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accounts of his death are really really, really really sketchy,

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but I know a lot of other Nazi leadership below

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on over group inferior. They got out of the country

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through the BIS. This is actually where the fondness for

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Argentina came from, is that BIS is. I believe they

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were restructuring the Central Bank of Argentina at the end

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of the war. Anyways, But between that and Dallas's work

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in Italy with propaganda due to Ballpark, we're talking about

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thousand of third Reke officers and bureaucrats of various levels,

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like actual party people got out of the country because

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of Alan Dulls paper clip was just a drop in

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a bucket of what he was doing. We didn't just

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take scientists thanks to Alan Dulles. We took hundreds of

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thousands of people out of the Third Reike before the

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Soviets put them in camps and shot them. So for

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anybody that says that Alan Dulls isn't down for the

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cause a great risk to himself, both physically in post

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World War to Berlin and professionally. He made it a

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priority of Sullivan and Cromwell and all of the businesses

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that Sullivan and Cromwell represented that we're in there. I

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know it came out that a lot of I think

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it was like four or five relatively high ranking, not

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super duper high rankings. Again, those people are all you

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know on lists came out when IBM pulled its people out,

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and I believe the same for Standard Oil. He was

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also the one that set up that leaned on Rome

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heavily using the BIS because the BIS was doing the

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banking for the papacy, I believe at the time and

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through the leverage provided or basically through the leverage that

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the BIS had over Rome, made the Catholic Church down

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for the cause, even though they weren't super down for

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the cause. But yeah, BIS is a diplomatic entity. Follow No,

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everybody thinks it's just a bank. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I can go a little bit more into their specific

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operations leading into World War two. So they were Five

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of its directors for BIS were later at the end

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of the war charged with war crimes. That was I. G.

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Farban and one of the one let's see here, the

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secret of BIS became the crucial financial partner for the Nazis.

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The vice president of the Reichsbank, Emil Pool, who was

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a close associate of McKittrick, once called BIS the Reich's Bank,

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only the only foreign branch. It was responsible for a

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lot of the Nazi gold management within Switzerland. One thing

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is that BIS is located within Switzerland. That's not wins

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all the kind of that kind of like trite fraying

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that like all phrasing that all the Nazi gold is

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in Switzerland accumulated during the war. I would presume that

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that's because of BIS. Dulls is very very close to

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McKittrick at the start and continuing through the war, and

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both Dulls and McKittrick are not popular with either FDR's

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inner circle or FDR's Treasury Secretary Henry Morgan, though, and

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there was a time where the Roosevelt administration moved to

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block bank for international settlement funds within the United States.

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McKittrick hired Foster Dolus as the legal counsel who successfully

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intervened on the bank's behalf. Morgan, though, was outraged in

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the winter of nineteen forty two when McKittrick made a

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business trip to the United States and was warmly welcomed

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by Wall Street. These are the executives of several corporations

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such as General Motors and Standard Oil. They had profited

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from doing business with the Nazis, and a banquet was

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held for mckindrick's honor at the New York University Club

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on December seventeenth. Morgan thou then tried to prevent mckindrick

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from exiting the United States to return to BIS headquarters

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in Switzerland on the grounds that the bank was very

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clearly aiding the Nazi war effort. Vice versa. Alan Dulls

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came to mckittrick's rescue and was able to get him

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on an April nineteen forty three flight to Europe if

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you know about aviation at the time, it is very,

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very hard to fly transatlantic during World War two. You

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need a lot of permissions to do that. Dulson McKittrick

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continued to work closely for the rest of the war.

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They what is this project safe Haven Morgan Thou's Treasury Department,

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which was trying to to fiscate a lot of the

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wealth of the Nazis. Dulas and McKittrick within OSS and

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BIS respectively worked to protect Nazi commodity interests after the war,

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and Dulls believed that a lot of these powerful German

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figures should be returned to political power within the post

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war period. One interesting thing at the end of the war,

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as an anecdote is that Alan Dulles when peace with Germany,

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when kind of the overall this is like after the war,

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00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:44,599
but pre Nuremberg, Dulles is advocating for a restoration of

476
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,880
many Nazi officials within Germany. He doesn't want the Germans

477
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,559
to unconditionally and fully surrender and then be for whatever

478
00:35:54,639 --> 00:36:01,280
we're criminally charged, which at Nuremberg is just bullshit. A

479
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,440
lot of you know, McKittrick and the Bank of International

480
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,039
Settlements had a lot of problems with Morgan Thou essentially

481
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:12,840
looting Germany and my earlier stream with a forestall on.

482
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:17,199
You know, Morgan Thou wanted Germany left destitute. It's obvious

483
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,559
that Morgan Thou's treasury was going to seize that wealth

484
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:26,360
for Jewish interests away from major German corporations. So throughout

485
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,559
the war there's it seems that there's this this kind

486
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:34,000
of behind the seams financial war between BIS and other

487
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,079
banking interests behind the Roosevelt administration.

488
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I wonder if any of that gold that

489
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,639
they would have tried to take would have made it

490
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,360
to would have actually made it to the destination as

491
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,199
they said, or if it would get lost, because I've

492
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,679
for a long time basically viewed it as well, Morgan

493
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,599
Thou's attempted to trying to get at the gold just

494
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,519
to be another you know, looting attempt that these people

495
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:10,199
are quite famous for. Because at this point, the Germans

496
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,679
have accumulated quite a bit of gold and quite a

497
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,559
bit of property. As far as rare art things like that,

498
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:26,719
the BIS was actually kind of critical and keeping a

499
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,760
lot of that stuff hidden. Majority of the gold never

500
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,639
got well, I'm assuming maybe Cia hasn't. I don't know,

501
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:49,760
but Dulles is I mean so often, and not just Astral.

502
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,320
I hope he listens to this. It's not just Astrail.

503
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,840
I have to constantly argue this point with. But I

504
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,800
have to argue this point with a lot, like a

505
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,840
lot of accounts. There are people that like refuse to

506
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,719
believe that this guy was anything other than a shit

507
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,800
lib at best and a collabor regime collaborator at worst.

508
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:20,239
I mean, is that that point is untenable. I don't

509
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,400
know what your thoughts are, Pilo, but is there any

510
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,239
way to read what the documents that you've gone through

511
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,719
and remotely see Alan Dallas says anything other than extremely sympathetic,

512
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,639
if not outright supportive of the Third Reich.

513
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,679
Speaker 3: I don't think there's so, I mean, there's there's not

514
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,840
another way to look at it, especially with this, uh,

515
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:42,639
this David Talbot book. If I didn't have access to

516
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:44,400
the other sources, it would be a little trickier.

517
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: But what about Rheinhart Galand let's talk about him.

518
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:51,119
Speaker 3: I'd have to look him up.

519
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:56,199
Speaker 2: Oh, hold on, I got you. Reinhard Galen was the

520
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,960
head of Nazi intelligence.

521
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:01,639
Speaker 3: Oh, I have something on him.

522
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: I hear, yeah, just preserve Galen. He didn't keep Galen

523
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:17,440
out of the news. He kept the entire National Socialist

524
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,519
Intelligence apparatus intact because he said he needed a fight,

525
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:28,480
because now like Patent, like Patent had already figured out

526
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,719
for him. Actually, it's not that you know, oh, we

527
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,400
found out later that we were going to be at

528
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,639
war with the Soviets next, or that the Soviets weren't

529
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:44,960
our friends. And this was a surprise. Almost everyone in

530
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,599
the American establishment, the military defense establishment, they knew this

531
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,000
from the beginning of World War Two. What they couldn't

532
00:39:54,039 --> 00:40:00,199
stop is an administration that was sympathetic to the Communist

533
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,840
At no point in time did we think that you

534
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,119
were either a Communist collaborator inside the US government, which

535
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:14,880
Roosevelt and it really stems in his whole team very

536
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,559
much was, or you basically knew that these people were

537
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,719
going to be our enemy immediately afterwards. And by afterwards,

538
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,599
I don't mean the end of World War two, I

539
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,679
mean as soon as we can get this fucking guy

540
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,119
FDR at office. I think there was absolutely no illusions

541
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,719
to that. So the entire administration.

542
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:39,559
Speaker 3: Hold on one second, I have a source pulled up

543
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:40,519
for Galen.

544
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: Once Stormy's ready cat removal, exactly, cat removal, she doesn't

545
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:53,159
get to hang out anymore. She's lost her inside privileges. Ah.

546
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,000
I was told that like that, men that have cats

547
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,519
are men that get women, and men that don't don't.

548
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,559
I surely hope so, because proposition is significantly diminished. If

549
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,159
that's not the case, it's absolutely one hundred percent tro

550
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,320
I think.

551
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: So I have a wife and a cat, but they

552
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,320
were a package.

553
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 2: Deal, I'd be actually lucky.

554
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,599
Speaker 3: Then I wouldn't say it was luck.

555
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: Well, I would because you didn't have a cap force.

556
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,639
You obviously didn't understand women, So I said, I would

557
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,960
say luck is is probably accurate that you know she

558
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:33,719
was dumb enough to marry you. You are a very

559
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:34,239
lucky guy.

560
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: I would say that. Yeah, I'd agree with that. Yeah,

561
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,800
Richard Galen, I have little Riinhard Galen. Excuse me, so

562
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,320
funny Littlennec thought about him who was at the nineteen

563
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,000
fifty one World Series with his CIA handler, and he

564
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:53,000
went there because one of his advisors was some kind

565
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:57,320
of autistic savant who'd memorized all these different baseball statistics

566
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,800
and uh, you know understand rein Hart Galen. So during

567
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,519
the war, Galen had served as Hitler's intelligence chief on

568
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:12,119
the eastern front of the Lemhost apparatus. They were looking

569
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:18,920
for weaknesses in the Soviet defenses let's see here. Most

570
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:21,920
so he was in charge of extracting a lot of

571
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,360
the intelligence out of the Soviet prisoners of war, and

572
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:31,280
he eventually rose upward to become a major general. The

573
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,880
big deal with him was that at the end of

574
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,880
the war, when he was realizing that things were you know,

575
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:43,559
the Germans were beat, he concluded that the US Soviet

576
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,920
alliance that was temporary during the war would split and

577
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,559
that some of the Nazi hierarchy would be able to

578
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:54,239
survive by journeying forces with the West against Moscow. That's

579
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,719
very common. A lot of Germans very intelligent. There's a

580
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,719
story about a fight pilot, a German ace who flew

581
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,800
into an American airbase in German, you know, as the

582
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,440
Americans controlled parts of Germany, and a lot of high

583
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,039
ranking people would much rather you know, work with the

584
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,760
Americans and again than get killed by the Soviets. That

585
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,360
was the blunt alternative of it. Because he went around

586
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,679
the Bavarian mountains at the end of the war, he

587
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,559
was able to bury cases of microfilm containing Nazi intelligence

588
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,719
in the Soviet Union. He then leveraged his expertise and

589
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,360
connections within Eastern Europe built up during the Eastern Front

590
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,320
Offensive to convince US military officials that he was indispense.

591
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,199
So he, unlike other German captives who get temporarily interned

592
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:52,199
within the US Midwest or worse yet, sent to BS tribunals,

593
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,760
he got transported out on a DC three and he

594
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,880
was moved into comfortable quarters at Fort Hunt, or Virginia,

595
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,320
and there he was introduced personally to Alan Dolls, who

596
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:09,880
decided on the spot to bring mister Gellen into US

597
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,960
government operation. So they were then sent back to Germany

598
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,800
in the service of the United States, and they were

599
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,639
centered in Pulac, a village near Munich, and that began

600
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,119
to lossom into the Gellen Organization, which was then West

601
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:34,880
Germany's principal intelligence agency. In nineteen forty eight, the CIA

602
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,320
then takes over the supervision of the Gellen Organization from

603
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,880
the US Army, and it becomes very clear, you know,

604
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,559
Gellen promised the army officials he wouldn't hire anybody from

605
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,159
the SS or Gestapo. But of course as it grows

606
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,039
and you need the most competent people, those are the

607
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:58,039
most competent men. So he hires all these different SS figures,

608
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,519
and especially as they're starting to get released from US

609
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:06,679
Army entertainment after the war in the late nineteen forties,

610
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:10,840
they're getting hired. Some people within the CIA wanted to

611
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,559
liquidate Gallon's operation, but it was shielded by Dulles. His

612
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:20,239
backing was primarily from the Dullest faction. In nineteen forty eight,

613
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,880
you know, the person directly put in charge of monitoring

614
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,519
all of Gellen's activities at the CIA in Munich was

615
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,639
a direct appointee by Dolls, and that this individual concluded

616
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:40,199
that Gallen's intel organization is performing phenomenally with two hundred

617
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,920
top staff and their wives and children living in this

618
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:51,199
intelligence compound outside Munich, and the decor of the main

619
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,000
facility had a lot of you know, Nazi adornment on

620
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:59,400
the building, which, if you know anything about the denocification programs,

621
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,079
that was like exceptionally rare. They went throughout Germany destroying

622
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:06,880
every Nazi symbol they could find, and the Germans and

623
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,119
Americans that were working together at this installation in the

624
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:13,280
early history of the CIA, grew very close. The Germans

625
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,280
and Americans working together there. Their families were going on

626
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:21,760
skiing trips in the Bavarian Alps, and let's see where

627
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:27,480
do I go from here? His overwriting goal, Gallon's goal

628
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,199
was to rebuild the Nazi power network and return Germany

629
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,960
to a dominant role on the European stage. One interesting

630
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,440
thing to know, is Thomas brings up occasionally, is that

631
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,719
it was made illegal to be right wing after Nuremberg

632
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,440
in nineteen forty five, and it was exceptionally illegal to

633
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:58,239
be a Nazi in Germany. Let's see one of my else. Everybody,

634
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,880
all the Americans, from what I can tell in the

635
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:03,599
CIA documentation that worked with Gellen had very positive opinions

636
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:06,039
of him, to the point where they facilitated him going

637
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,119
to the nineteen fifty one World Series because Gellen's aid

638
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:19,960
liked baseball and what else was there the nineteen fifty

639
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,119
one trip to America was Gellen was given the code

640
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:28,360
name Utility, which I think is very interesting. So he's

641
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,159
very good at what he does. And he also on

642
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:34,880
October eighth, nineteen fifty one. During this trip to the

643
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,679
United States, Gellen also attends a private dinner club with

644
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,320
Germans and several CIA officers, as well as Richard Helms,

645
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,840
who had run the US intelligence operations in Germany after

646
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:55,079
the war and also succeeds Dulls after his resignation in

647
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:03,440
the early nineteen sixties. Let's see. Yeah, all of so, Dulas,

648
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:06,440
interestingly enough, had invited Gallon to all of his different clubs,

649
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,920
the Metropolitan Club, the Chevy Chase Club, any time that

650
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:15,280
the German spymaster visits Washington. Dulas has this kind of

651
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,559
open door policy that's not unique to just his relationship

652
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:23,679
with Gellen. He's also like throughout his life, Dulas is

653
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,119
very open with how he's meeting people. What happens to

654
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:35,239
this Gallon organization in nineteen fifty five, they are let's see,

655
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,840
late nineteen fifty four, Dulles gets Gellen's eldest daughter into

656
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:46,320
a good US college and then so she gets admitted

657
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,280
to Hunter College in New York City. This is like

658
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,920
totally unprecedented for the time to have this tide of

659
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,280
a relationship. In nineteen fifty five, as the CIA prepares

660
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,840
to transfer the Ellen organization back to the West Room

661
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,039
and government. The agency generously gave him enough money to

662
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:15,719
buy a lakeside estate, and they Gallen purchased. Allegedly, it

663
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,679
was probably more likely a gift of about a fifty

664
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:26,800
thousand dollars estate. Gellen's code name for Dulls was the Gentleman.

665
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,599
Gellen wrote in his memoir, in all the years of

666
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,360
my collaboration with the CIA, I had no personal disputes

667
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,880
with Dolan. He pleased me by his air of wisdom,

668
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,760
born of years of experience. He was both fatherly and boisterous,

669
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:45,239
and he became a close personal friend of mine. What

670
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:52,800
other items are here? Whenever Gellen saw the US government

671
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,920
policy about the Soviet Union was beginning to soften or

672
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,679
weaken in its rhetoric, the Gallen Organization would decry it.

673
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:09,920
And you know the Soviet Union. Gellen said that the

674
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,639
Soviet Union enticed you with this and that, but underneath

675
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,519
its skirt one will see the cloven hoof of the devil.

676
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:18,519
Speaker 2: What else is there?

677
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 3: Alan Doles had a soft spot in his heart for

678
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:31,519
the good Germans. JEdgar Hoover was also present. When other

679
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:33,280
items are there? I think That's kind of all that

680
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,440
I have to say on Gellen other than he was

681
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:43,760
extremely active as a West German spymaster, and that he

682
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,079
was worried about kind of the softening also of Germany.

683
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:59,159
Speaker 2: And his intelligence reports. Because let's keep in mind the

684
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:04,440
after rose and I think again, the more and more

685
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,960
I think back and I tied back different things, like

686
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,079
I haven't thought about Gellin in forever, but it reminded

687
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,719
me that the CIA, ever since Dulls was pushed out

688
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,119
of the agency he created by a man by the

689
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,400
name of who I've been screaming about for some time,

690
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,639
but has now recently come back into the spotlight with

691
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,679
the JFK document releases. One James Jesus Engleton. If you

692
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,679
want to know who pushed Ellen Dulles out of the CIA,

693
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:48,320
it was James Jesus Engleton shortly before JFK was murdered.

694
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,760
JFK did not have any JFK's beef with Dulles or

695
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,719
with with the CIA, had very little to do with

696
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,320
had nothing to do with Vietnam or the Bay of Pigs.

697
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:12,199
Even the Bay of Pigs wasn't a failure. All of

698
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:18,039
the guns that were supposed to be going to the

699
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:22,480
bay to the Cuban resistance fighters were actually being stolen

700
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:29,440
for Israel out of a shipping and whatsh McCall it

701
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:37,679
company Import Export company out of Virginia, and Alan got

702
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:45,880
word of it literally, I believe, I think the night before,

703
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:51,199
the day before, and went to Kennedy with it. So

704
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,039
Kennedy knew why the Bay of Pigs was a failure.

705
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,440
He didn't neither of them knew in time to stop it,

706
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,039
but I guess it was in charge of the Bay

707
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:08,159
of Picks, James Jesus Angleton, along with all the other

708
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:11,559
stuff that he did when the f But not to

709
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:16,679
get sidetracked, like there was no daylight really between Dulles

710
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:23,840
and JFK. Except for nuclear disarmament. He went way over

711
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,400
the top really, to be honest, I don't think a

712
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,519
lot of us today realize how much we probably would

713
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:35,920
have disliked JFK. If he had lived, he probably would

714
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,519
have gone down as a as a Jimmy Carter, what dummer.

715
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,320
He was so serious about nuclear disarmament. After the Cuban

716
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,360
missile crisis, he was having back channel conversations with Khrushcheff

717
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:57,760
about both countries' nuclear disarmament, you know, intentions, and both

718
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:04,920
men agreed that the priorities and the priorities of America

719
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:11,639
needed to be nuclear force reduction and eventual disarmament. And

720
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,280
khrush Chef obviously saying he's going to get a lot

721
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,039
of pushback and whatever. That's why they had to use

722
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,519
back channels, just the two of them, so like not

723
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:22,400
Soviet back channels and not like American back channels, but

724
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:28,079
like JFK familial relationships talking to Khruse Chef, familial relationships

725
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:36,639
outside of their own intelligence agencies and national apparatus. Kennedy

726
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,679
was going to start disarming first as a show of goodwill, like,

727
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,039
oh yeah, well, let's get rid of our nukes and

728
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:49,480
that that's how you'll know we're legit. If you have

729
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:52,519
trouble selling it to the rest of the polyp Buro,

730
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:54,719
it'll be much easier when we just get rid of

731
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,719
our own nukes. And Alan got wind of this, and

732
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,960
so did the Pentagon type people, and basically that's where

733
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,960
the static came from, which is also where a lot

734
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,360
of the static between JFK and David Ben Gurion came from,

735
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:17,000
because you know, trying to disarm the Soviets only to

736
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,199
find out that nuclear armament, rapid armaments happening in Israel

737
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,079
from all the shit that they stole from you. So

738
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,039
that's where the beef was. All of the stuff that

739
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,599
you've read about Douglas and JFK, Dear listeners, is bullshit

740
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,440
almost in its entirety, because if you talk about nuclear,

741
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,000
if you talk about what the real disconnect was, you're

742
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,000
going to land on Israel because it's all about disarm

743
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:50,719
it's all about nuclear non proliferation. Sorry, Corey Hughes's book

744
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,159
is probably the best on it. I think he did

745
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:58,280
a recent podcast with Astral and the one he did

746
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,280
with Jake Shields is really good, at least like the

747
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,039
last fifteen minutes. Talks exactly about what we're talking about

748
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:10,559
now and cites all the sources and his research is

749
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,719
really impossible to argue with. And he basically tells you

750
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,320
exactly what the relationship is with Dulls and JFK, and

751
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,960
it's not what you're told. This is also why he

752
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:26,880
went on the Warren Commission, so like after the death

753
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,960
of JFK and Lyndon Johnson. So if you're Ellen Dulles,

754
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,480
the guy that's been openly supported the Third Reich. You

755
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:38,760
and your brother openly hostile the State of Israel. You

756
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,960
and the now previous dead president. We're in the process

757
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,039
of trying to stop nuclear armed proliferation by the State

758
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:50,679
of Israel that stole the nuclear materials. Like, there's like

759
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,559
ten guys that know what the actual story is. And

760
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:57,400
the guy with all the political power JFK is dead,

761
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:03,039
and a person who is an actual trader and pussy

762
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:07,039
whipped by a urgoon terrorist is in the White House,

763
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:13,920
and Jewish power has just like wiped off the face

764
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:22,719
of the earth JFK, And very little attention gets given

765
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:28,920
to outside of JFK and RFK about the I don't

766
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,840
know a dozen and a half two dozen other people

767
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:36,440
that were in lower positions but also had all of

768
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:40,719
the same information and the same exact idea of like, oh,

769
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,119
this needs to be stopped. There's probably about twenty assassinations

770
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:49,000
in the JFK assassination. So if you're John, if you're

771
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:52,360
Alan Dulls and you're in your seventies or like late sixties,

772
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:58,079
what the fuck are you gonna do? You're going to

773
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,199
be an old man that has an accident, which is

774
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:04,119
what I'm assuming he was told, because the day after

775
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:07,880
JFK's assassination, Alan had already been pushed out of the

776
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:14,480
CIA by a whatever I'm trying to think of the

777
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,199
term for it. If it was if it was geopolitical,

778
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:21,000
I'd call it a false flag, but planting of evidence

779
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:28,320
and fuckery by by Angleton, his subordinate. He basically set

780
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,320
up a little mini privacy CIA out of his living

781
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,440
room with all the guys that got pushed out by

782
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:39,320
Angleton and a bunch of guys still at the Agency

783
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,199
trying to figure out what the fuck had happened. And

784
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,119
as soon as LBJ got into that fucking White House,

785
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:52,440
somebody apparently had a conversation with Alan and he closed

786
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:58,559
up shop immediately. So it's not like it's not like

787
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:00,639
they didn't know what's happening. It's not like they didn't

788
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:03,280
try and push back. But at that point in time,

789
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,840
they have all the cards. Like, yeah, at that point

790
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,519
in time, resistance to organize Zionism was impossible.

791
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,559
Speaker 3: Well in the building up of it as well, Like

792
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:20,159
for your call from the forest All Stream, LBJ met

793
00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:23,800
with Forrest All in the mental hospital, along with all

794
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,119
the other pro Zionist elements that were in Truman's administration

795
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:32,639
at the time, and that was in nineteen forty eight

796
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:33,599
nineteen forty nine.

797
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was open season on anybody that was

798
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,039
against the Zionist agenda. And they had all the political

799
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:46,079
power to basic and you had what's his fucking face

800
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:51,960
in the in the Supreme Court, like they could basically

801
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,280
torment you out in public and there was nothing you

802
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,000
could do about it. That was a real dark period

803
00:59:59,039 --> 00:59:59,360
of time.

804
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,119
Speaker 3: There was an interesting I guess there's many There's three

805
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,480
different angles that could kind of go. I'm gonna start

806
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,000
with the Angleton one and then go into Israel and

807
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:15,960
also nuclear I suppose Ah to know about Angleton.

808
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: He was find that monument I told you about.

809
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have it. I pulled up as you were

810
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,039
talking about it. Yeah, I can tell you all right.

811
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:27,360
So for those who don't know within uh So, it's

812
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:33,239
located at Joe at Yemen musche So this is a

813
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,719
place that is immediately adjacent to the King David Hotel,

814
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,159
which I think is very strange. It's in the It's

815
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:46,039
located in all these key like like a park complex,

816
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,639
very close to Mount Zion and also next to like

817
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,320
these large the Menacham Bacon Heritage Center, which is is interesting.

818
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,880
But he has this little corner in this park and

819
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,400
to know about it. The park is located in a

820
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,960
spot I'm getting this off of the Jerusalem Foundation website.

821
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,159
The park is located in a spot Angleton visited and

822
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:15,800
admired in the early nineteen sixties when it bordered on

823
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,000
the barbed wire friends that divided the city. The project

824
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,840
was initiated by the then Mayor of Jerusalem, Teddy Kollik,

825
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:27,400
the Defense Minister Yitzaklabin, who later became the Prime Minister

826
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,320
and then was assassinated, and also the head of the

827
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,239
shin Bet Amos Manol, and the shin Bet is the

828
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:40,960
that's like the FBI equivalent within Israel. So there's the Masad,

829
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:43,440
which is kind of the CIA equivalent, and then the

830
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:51,519
shin Bet is FBI. This little corner for Angleton is

831
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,119
one of four small memorial gardens. Another one is the

832
01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:03,639
Rothshield Rothschild Sitting Corner. So the location there is very uh,

833
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:06,840
it is very talent. I mean it is like it's

834
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,679
the nearest park over to the King David, which if

835
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:12,119
you know about the history of Israel, that was where

836
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:16,599
the I think the Ilgoon blew up the hotel to

837
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:22,400
kill a lot of British soldiers prior to Israel being created.

838
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're big into something called a practice called geomancy.

839
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:36,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe, yep, yep. This is true personal experience

840
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:40,000
on this. Like there's there's four not getting to a cult,

841
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:43,639
there's four cities within Israel at each correspond to elements

842
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:45,960
and the mysticism there, and they're like.

843
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:52,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, demon shit m.

844
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,519
Speaker 3: But I don't want to anyway. That the last thing

845
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,199
I'll say about I mean kind of the first. There's

846
01:02:57,199 --> 01:02:59,559
so many things to say about this. The joke in

847
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:01,719
Israel when I was there was that there was a

848
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:05,840
textile factory in Deomona and that was code for the

849
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:09,800
nuclear site. So it's an open secret that when Israel

850
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,960
was getting its nuclear arsenal, that was set up at

851
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,920
Demona in Israel.

852
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:18,239
Speaker 1: And then.

853
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,159
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so that's the Israel stuff. That's Engleton.

854
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:27,679
Speaker 2: I can kind of who is the person that got

855
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:35,400
caught but whose apprehension was deliberately thwarted by one James

856
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,800
Usus Engleton. Right, So the one of the interesting intelligence

857
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,800
documents that came out. What I didn't know because I

858
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:48,559
knew about like all the Angleton stuff just from like, yeah,

859
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:57,320
like stories I would hear. And what I did not

860
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:04,639
know is that James Jesus Engleton with out. I'm almost

861
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:07,840
I can guarantee that Alan Dulls was unaware of this.

862
01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:13,000
But James went to the FBI and told the FBI

863
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:18,840
that Alan wants him in charge of everything is reel

864
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,360
and Israeli intelligence because at this point and that everything

865
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:28,360
that the FBI collects should be brought to him directly,

866
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,039
not through like the other official channels, because you know,

867
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:34,880
the FBI had channels at the CIA, and if they

868
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:38,320
you know, we're working on, you know, come across some

869
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,000
counterintelligent stuff like oh, FBI thinks that like these people

870
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,320
are a bunch of fucking spooks. Okay, we'll go tell

871
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,639
the guys that are our spooks, okay, like they have

872
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:53,039
official channels for that. Angleton wanted it to not like that.

873
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:57,079
He said, on orders of Alan Dulles directly from the top,

874
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,119
We're not to bring any of the israel stuff and

875
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:03,679
any of the stuff that you guys find on you know,

876
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,440
any suspected Israeli intelligence agents operating in the US that

877
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,599
needs to come directly to me and I am going

878
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:16,199
to bring it right to Alan directly because we think

879
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:21,639
there's a mole. Well, so, what was what was James

880
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:27,280
Anglaton's job? He gave him this free reign? Why why

881
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,639
was he this person with that, you know, out of

882
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:30,880
pocket all the fucking time.

883
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: It's the principal agency liaison for the Foreign Intel.

884
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: Services now, but he was also the at the time.

885
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:44,280
At the time, the CIA knew that they had a

886
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,360
mole and someone was giving something to the Soviet It

887
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:53,039
was somebody was giving information to the Soviets. Guess who,

888
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:58,400
a person other than Alan Dulles. But I believe a

889
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:05,400
genuinely good person on person you suggested one James Jesus

890
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:13,360
Engleton to be the person that finds the mole. Except

891
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:24,440
for James's Engleton was an an asset for Israeli intelligence, Like, well,

892
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:29,880
that's not Soviet intelligence, is it, Except it was, we

893
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,960
didn't have a Soviet mole. We had an Israeli mole,

894
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:42,280
and Israel the nation was our Soviet mole. Because James's Engleton,

895
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,840
at the end of every single day would spend two

896
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:50,559
hours talking to a florist that had a that whose

897
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:55,840
shop was on his walk home, and nobody fucking suspected it,

898
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:03,199
like nobody bothered. Hey a, there's a florist owned by

899
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:10,960
a foreign national and the mole hunter of the CIA

900
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,719
hunting is like he stops by this same florists and

901
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:21,400
talks for two hours every day. And James doesn't have

902
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:27,440
any fucking flowers. He doesn't even have plants at his house.

903
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,280
Where the fuck is he talking? Nobody asked these questions.

904
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:36,800
But anyways, so the person who he was talking to,

905
01:07:37,719 --> 01:07:39,760
I can't remember his name, but I believe he would

906
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:44,719
later become head of Israeli intelligence for a period of time.

907
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:53,719
But the person that got sorry was the person that

908
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:58,079
almost got arrested by the FBI, but James Jesus Angleton

909
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:04,480
stepped in and stopped the FBI arresting him when caught

910
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:14,719
stealing criytron triggers from you know, the naval docks in California.

911
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:21,720
Southern California was one bb net in Yahoo. Young Bibi

912
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,520
was the person that stole the other half of the

913
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,399
nuclear bomb, and he would have gotten caught because the

914
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:34,079
FBI had him pretty well stitched up. They also had

915
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:38,479
Demona pretty well stitched up. And the only reason Benjamin

916
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,239
att Yahoo wasn't on the front page of every fucking

917
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:48,560
newspaper in the country. Was James Jesus Angleton kind of

918
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,720
like your little quip about like, oh and there was

919
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,760
a time like you know, I should have taken that meeting.

920
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,079
I would have saw Lenin and I could have put

921
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:59,479
a bullet in his face. Imagine what the world would

922
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,960
have been like if Benjamin and Yahoo was still rotting

923
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:11,079
away in some fucking get mo place and the last

924
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:17,119
I don't know, twenty years, thirty years didn't happen.

925
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 3: It's hard to tell. They wouldn't have the resources to

926
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,039
pull at Jonathan Pollard and get him extra dieted. That

927
01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:31,159
whole ability to do espionage would be neutered. Can I

928
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:32,399
flesh out? I'm a little.

929
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:35,199
Speaker 2: More stuff would have lost their guy.

930
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:37,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

931
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: Uh, anyways, sorry.

932
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 3: I think so it's interesting because, uh, what was the party?

933
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,920
I don't want to screw up with my Zionist history here,

934
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,119
but there's a reason I think yet such were being

935
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,000
commissioned to statute when he was defense chief, not Prime minister,

936
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:53,039
defense chief.

937
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:59,279
Speaker 2: Of political party. Uh in Israel lakut?

938
01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 3: Uh shit? Is that? Yeah? Uh?

939
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 2: Or are you talking about the opposite of the opposition

940
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,199
party that was only in SELFUS one time.

941
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,199
Speaker 3: So generally it was like broadly leftist until nineteen seventy

942
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:18,000
seven it was mapile Veda, and then they switched in

943
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:21,479
nineteen seventy seven, uh to Monock and began and they've

944
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,479
been like pretty much solidly lacut ever since. So yeah,

945
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:26,319
Rabin is.

946
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:29,199
Speaker 2: Uh, Yeah, there's been a one party state ever since.

947
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:34,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they they split hairs domestically about this, but yes,

948
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,800
purposes the coalition, it is a one party state.

949
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: Is that any different than what they do in the

950
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:42,720
United States? No, what really is the difference between a

951
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,520
Democrat and a Republican? What really is it? Like, Oh,

952
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,079
these are the things that we're going to debate fiercely

953
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:51,680
on and make it look like we hate each other

954
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,880
and we disagree about everything, but in fact we agree

955
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,439
about everything, and we pretend to disagree loudly about this thing,

956
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:00,760
and we only do it in front of you.

957
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: At least the Reich didn't, you know, fake it. At

958
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,119
least they said all that their parties are illegal. You're

959
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:11,319
either with us or you're against us, because.

960
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:13,199
Speaker 2: It always devolves down to this always.

961
01:11:13,359 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I'd like to flesh a little bit more

962
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,000
circumstantial stuff about it, Angleton and then get into like

963
01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:26,520
agency structure. Angleton was put in charge of the CIA's

964
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,359
relationship with the FBI. There's a big rivalry at this

965
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:37,159
time between FBI and CIA. Angleton was also pursuing a

966
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:41,199
CIA partnership with the mafia. Who are some of these

967
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:47,319
people that were getting involved with According to this, Angleton's

968
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:50,000
work also brought him into close contact with the agency's

969
01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:55,239
rougher characters, including Chef Edwards's security cops who helped install

970
01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:59,640
his bugs, and Bill Harvey, who was prominent in a

971
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:05,159
number of the agency's assass the nation jobs. Angleton shortly

972
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:09,119
after Fidel pat Castro took power in Havana, he summoned

973
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:14,800
two Jewish CIA officers, including Sam Halpern, who had been

974
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,000
assigned to the agency's Cuba team and the other one

975
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:21,800
isn't mentioned, and then both of them were flown to

976
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,920
Miami and set to meet with Meyer Lanski, who'd been

977
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:31,039
forced to flee Havana ahead of the revolutionaries. Lanski was

978
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:33,000
part of the Jewish Mob but had close business ties

979
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:36,199
in the Italian mafia. Angleton told Halpern and the other

980
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:40,000
Jewish CIA agent to see if they could convince Lanski

981
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:47,319
to arrange for the assassination of Castro's It's kind of

982
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:50,399
overblown at this point, but people like to talk, especially

983
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:52,520
in the left, about how many times the agency tried

984
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,479
to kill Castro by like pouring stuff in his drink

985
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,520
and giving him an explosive cigar or whatever else the

986
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,840
deal was. But I did not know that Angleton was

987
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,199
so prominently involved with this.

988
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cory Hughes also documents kind of conclusively that all

989
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,279
of that stuff about US trying to assassinate Castro was bullshit.

990
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,439
If you hear the I mean, and when he says it,

991
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,319
you're like, that's not true. And then you think about it.

992
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:28,079
If you know, like anything about how propaganda works, you're like, oh, fuck,

993
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:34,119
god damn it. Like whenever you hear public like that,

994
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:39,720
there's I mean, if it's like a cultural meme about

995
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,439
like the silly, cartoonish looney tunes acme fucking exploding cigar

996
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,680
things that the CIA tried to do to kill Castro,

997
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:56,119
that should tell you that the CIA is lying to you. Yeah,

998
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,840
just off off rip. They were the CIA after Dulles.

999
01:14:03,159 --> 01:14:05,760
I mean, they made it illegal to be right wing

1000
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:11,079
after Nuremberg, and after Dulles, they made it policy in

1001
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:18,399
the CIA. The only reason that fucking bearded fuck lived

1002
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:20,680
as long as he did is because of the CIA.

1003
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,239
They've been a fucking left this institution ever since, ever

1004
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:35,279
since Dulles, once the wasps were purged, everything in that

1005
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:39,319
involves foreign policy out of the United States is leftist

1006
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:41,960
if it's an institution that deals with anything outside of

1007
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:47,000
our borders. After Dulles, and I guess you're saying maybe

1008
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:52,520
maybe now even so, now after Dulles and the executive

1009
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,239
branch has already fucking compromised. Second Nixon starts to try

1010
01:14:56,279 --> 01:14:58,800
and do his own foreign policy. Nobody told, nobody gave

1011
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,960
him an update. Go by the way, we only do

1012
01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:04,479
leftist shit internationally. Second he tries to conduct his own

1013
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:09,680
important policy, you've got to go. It's it's been a

1014
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:15,159
leftist institution ever since. CIA is basically a total loss.

1015
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 3: Now is this a good time to bring up a

1016
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,600
secret team? By Fletcher Prouty.

1017
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,039
Speaker 2: It's always a good time to talk about the secret team. Okay, Sure,

1018
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,880
it's an important thing for people to know. So everyone

1019
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,159
should pay attention to this bit because it still applies today.

1020
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:40,039
Just because a person is doing fuckery out of Agency X,

1021
01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:42,880
does not mean that they are an Agency X person

1022
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:47,479
and that is an Agency X agenda. Sure, maybe from

1023
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,079
somewhere else.

1024
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 3: So there's there's two interesting points before I start here.

1025
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,680
The first is that, like something you can google when

1026
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,640
you find in the CIA reading room, is that there's

1027
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:06,600
a reading list for all of the different you know,

1028
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,600
introductory officers to the agency, and that they have to

1029
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,600
read a lot about the agency's history, but particularly they

1030
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,479
have to read about the OSS. And if you know

1031
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,680
about the OSS, you'll know that there's a bit of

1032
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,760
a delineation between like intelligence collection that the agency is

1033
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:30,920
doing and covert operations that the OSS is doing. And

1034
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,039
another thing to bear in mind about this information, because

1035
01:16:34,039 --> 01:16:37,720
the book I'm referencing was published in nineteen seventy, is

1036
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,680
that prior to the mid nineteen seventies, the agency did

1037
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:48,840
not button up all of its top secret information as

1038
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,680
tightly as it does now. Currently. You know, if something

1039
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,840
is classified within the agency, you're not going to ever

1040
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,359
get your hands on it. But back in the day,

1041
01:16:57,399 --> 01:17:00,239
in the forties, fifties, and sixties, because there's this big

1042
01:17:00,279 --> 01:17:03,840
confluence of different agencies and the CIA is still forging

1043
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:09,880
its identity and clawing resources away from other federal departments.

1044
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:17,640
There's kind of missed overlaps of compartmentalization for security or

1045
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:23,399
clandestine reasons. So that's how someone like el Fletcher Proudy

1046
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,039
can exist, and also that he can present the information

1047
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,800
that he does in a way where it's not censored.

1048
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:34,199
So to understand who this man was. El Fletcher Proudy

1049
01:17:34,279 --> 01:17:38,520
worked as the focal point officer for contacts between CIA

1050
01:17:39,039 --> 01:17:42,720
and DoD on matters pertaining to the military support of

1051
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:48,279
the agency's special operations. He personally worked with Alan Dolls

1052
01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:52,520
and John Foster Dolls. He recommends a series of books.

1053
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:58,279
I have some of them, not all of them, but

1054
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,600
he says that there's only a handful of books that

1055
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:08,199
really tell the true story of the agency. There's an

1056
01:18:08,199 --> 01:18:11,039
interesting inference to one of Doullas's famous quotes starting right

1057
01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:13,960
off the bat from Proudy. The first is that Alan

1058
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:17,600
Dollas is quoted as saying that intelligence is about ten

1059
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,840
percent real intel, in the other ninety percent or so

1060
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:28,880
is clandestine operations. What that sets up for Prouty is

1061
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:34,239
that Dulles believes that the agency is operating around the

1062
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:38,680
world all the time countering all aspects of the Invisible War.

1063
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:45,119
What this means is essentially intervening in the internal affairs

1064
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:51,079
of other nations without their knowledge or their permission, beginning

1065
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,960
in both Berlin and Iran in the late nineteen forties

1066
01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:59,800
and continuing all the way through until Vietnam, that pro

1067
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:04,960
argues began as a major intelligence operation. Much of what

1068
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:08,199
this Central Intelligence Agency as it is today, it has

1069
01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:14,319
become because of Alan Dulles. So to understand the overall

1070
01:19:14,399 --> 01:19:17,760
function of it, one document in my research that I

1071
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,359
pulled up was something called the Dulles, Jackson Correa Report.

1072
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,279
It's from nineteen forty nine and it follows the official

1073
01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:28,800
creation of the agency after the National Security Act of

1074
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,119
nineteen forty seven. That's the document that formally creates it.

1075
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:37,640
But it's very specific. It's very compartmentalized in the functions

1076
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:45,119
that it grants for the intelligence operations. Previously, it was

1077
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,560
something that was done under direct supervision of under the

1078
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,039
Joint Chiefs of Staff. To go back to Forrestall, you'll

1079
01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:57,720
see that the intelligence capacities of the War Department were

1080
01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:01,680
very explicitly by Forestall record amended as Secretary of Defense

1081
01:20:02,199 --> 01:20:04,920
to be directly supervised by Joint the Chairman of the

1082
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:09,760
Joint Chiefs of Staff. What this Dullest Jackson Carreer report

1083
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:13,720
that primarily Dullest rights and is put out on January

1084
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,359
first of nineteen forty nine, is that this is like

1085
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:23,319
the blueprint how I, as head of CIA, am going

1086
01:20:23,359 --> 01:20:29,439
to set up, design, and internalize the agency's responsibilities for

1087
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,680
it to function in exactly the manner that I wish

1088
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,640
it to function as, not as it is explicitly set

1089
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:42,039
up in previous government documentation in the National Security Act

1090
01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:46,520
of nineteen forty seven. Just make that complex point very simple.

1091
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:50,880
The federal government in the late nineteen forties after World

1092
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:55,199
War Two, transitions from OSS to CIA through it. It

1093
01:20:55,279 --> 01:20:59,920
goes through a series of bureaucratic processes. It gets stymy,

1094
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:04,239
it gets changed. Congressman at various points, edit it alter it.

1095
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:08,359
The agency is in a big period of transition, So

1096
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:12,520
there's four directors of Central Intelligence before Dulls. But it's

1097
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:20,560
essentially this underutilized government agency until Dulls writes this plan,

1098
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,039
publishes it in nineteen forty nine, and that as he

1099
01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:29,399
presents it to Truman, it's essentially, oh, your audience coming

1100
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:34,920
through stormy bad. It's all good. It's all good. The

1101
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:40,039
Jackson Carrera Report then comes out. It's now Dullas's agency.

1102
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,680
He is appointed after Korea after the Korean War is

1103
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,840
kind of an intelligence failure to run and oversee this

1104
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:54,600
and that is where sorry, I'm like really over complicating

1105
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,039
this because there's just so much detail. So okay, the

1106
01:21:58,119 --> 01:22:02,760
Dallas Jackson Carrera Report was the CIA's mind coomp Doles

1107
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,119
describes exactly how he's taking this from a low key

1108
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:08,279
intelligence coordination center to a major power center in the

1109
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:11,960
US government, and he can therefore position himself as the

1110
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:16,199
closest advisor to the president. So the function of this

1111
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:21,079
secret intelligence organization is to have a top echelon operations

1112
01:22:21,119 --> 01:22:26,479
facility at the White House level, a hidden infrastructure throughout

1113
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,239
other departments and agencies of the government, and also the

1114
01:22:29,279 --> 01:22:33,560
greatest operational capability all over the world. So when you

1115
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,800
read about Cold War era agency facilities, they're located everywhere

1116
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,199
on the planet. And so how this comes to be

1117
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:45,800
done from Dulles is that in the report in nineteen

1118
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,119
forty nine, he recommends a daily twenty four hour briefing

1119
01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:54,359
being presented to the president and that the best information

1120
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,760
and actionable and operationalized intel should be collaborated on and

1121
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,279
resented solely by the CIA for the reception of the president. Now,

1122
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:08,680
why something as bureaucratic as that matters is that the

1123
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,359
agency has direct control over what the president sees, and

1124
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:17,880
therefore they are the only organization in a position to

1125
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:23,920
set forth the response to the intelligence. So intel comes in,

1126
01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:27,039
the CIA produces it, They recommend a plan of action

1127
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:30,039
to the president, the President signs off on it, the

1128
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:34,399
CIA executes it. It's a cycle, and that is what

1129
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:39,840
establishes the agency into the most powerful organization in the

1130
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:44,680
United States government outside of the DoD. Because the DoD

1131
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,840
does not have such direct access to the president, they

1132
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,800
have to go through the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which

1133
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,319
is much more of a council and which is much

1134
01:23:54,359 --> 01:24:00,960
more hierarchical and is generally presumed to be an assigned

1135
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:07,640
to be nonpartisan. But the CIA has no such limitations.

1136
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:15,399
So let's see here, what is there to glean from

1137
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:24,279
this rowdy is monitoring the agency? So okay, so you've

1138
01:24:24,319 --> 01:24:29,920
created all these different departments and the agency has control

1139
01:24:30,039 --> 01:24:32,960
and the era of the president. But what happens when

1140
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,119
the president wants to derive information from DoD, Well, the

1141
01:24:37,159 --> 01:24:40,880
agency can just put somebody in the DoD. And if

1142
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,399
that sounds insane, I'm going to give a real world example.

1143
01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:51,520
The way that the agency operationalized its offensive capabilities was

1144
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,600
by working with it Crowdy as a focal point officer,

1145
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,840
so he has to sign off on all the special

1146
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:02,119
operations and the agency, Yes, it can purchase planes. But

1147
01:25:03,159 --> 01:25:08,359
imagine if you have a CIA pilot, a CIA you know,

1148
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:14,680
team of operatives, you have a CIA electronics warfare or

1149
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,199
like decoder on that plane, and that plane gets shot down. Well,

1150
01:25:18,199 --> 01:25:20,880
now you're fucked because the enemy country can look at

1151
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,119
it and see that. You know, you can't have an

1152
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:26,439
ID in one of those guys pocket that says CIA.

1153
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,640
It has to have something else. So they would either

1154
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,119
use foreign governments or they would use DoD. Now for

1155
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:36,640
the DoD to have fake members created for the agency,

1156
01:25:37,039 --> 01:25:40,960
that requires DoD approval of the creation of those operatives.

1157
01:25:41,319 --> 01:25:44,720
So the way that the US government and in particular

1158
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:49,039
the CIA, conducted offensive operations was they would have this

1159
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:53,640
like like a d C six or like a d

1160
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:58,079
C three, a Douglas aircraft, which is a fairly large

1161
01:25:58,119 --> 01:26:02,239
aircraft at the time propeller driven. They would make everyone

1162
01:26:02,279 --> 01:26:04,760
in there a member of the Department of Defense. They

1163
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,359
would have ID, they would have rank, they would have uniforms,

1164
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,560
they would have all US Army or US Air Force

1165
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:15,039
weaponry and paperwork, but they would be Central Intelligence Agency.

1166
01:26:15,079 --> 01:26:18,000
That would just be a cover. And the agency realized

1167
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,720
that if it could operationalize all these people all over

1168
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:25,800
the world to do everything from reconnaissance to regime change,

1169
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:31,039
to covert operations, whatever espionage function, guiding and training local

1170
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:35,079
militias in country, why couldn't it just you know, if

1171
01:26:35,079 --> 01:26:37,359
you have a colonel flying the plane of a CIA

1172
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,279
aircraft and that man is a CIA agent, why couldn't

1173
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:44,159
you just have someone in the Pentagon who's CIA. So

1174
01:26:44,399 --> 01:26:47,479
I know that this is one of your core points, Stormy,

1175
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:53,680
with how the agency puts agency people in various positions

1176
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:57,239
of power. So do you have anything to add on

1177
01:26:57,279 --> 01:26:57,720
that point?

1178
01:26:58,079 --> 01:27:03,079
Speaker 2: No, that was extremely detailed and not being facetious. Aw

1179
01:27:03,119 --> 01:27:08,720
that was actually great. Yeah, so I can there, so.

1180
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 3: I can add on that. So like, okay, so one

1181
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,359
other thing, give me, I'm just gonna turn the lights

1182
01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:19,800
on here, just perfect, okay, So page one forty eight.

1183
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,000
So okay, so so proud. He's in this position and

1184
01:27:22,039 --> 01:27:24,520
he's seeing all these D O D guys getting flown

1185
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,920
over the world that he knows are CIA, And ultimately

1186
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,920
it becomes a point of contention because at the time

1187
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:35,640
I think he's a he's a colonel, full bird colonel.

1188
01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:39,000
And I think you said something very interesting on your

1189
01:27:39,079 --> 01:27:41,880
last podcast, Stormy, which is that colonels are the ones

1190
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,479
who really make shit happen within the US military. Generals

1191
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,319
are much more of like a political role, but if

1192
01:27:48,359 --> 01:27:51,560
you want something to actually get done, right, I think

1193
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,520
both you and Pete have talked about this, like there's

1194
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:58,640
there's colonel McGregor, there's that other colonel who was also

1195
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,920
featured on Tucker talking about the Ukraine funding. So a

1196
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,359
lot of these on the ground guys are going to

1197
01:28:06,399 --> 01:28:11,520
be lieutenant colonels and colonels, and so he sees this

1198
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:17,399
stuff on the ground and what he's let's see here,

1199
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,520
I have to pull a good point, so I'll pull

1200
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,319
this as a direct quote so it's more coherent. During

1201
01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:25,520
the past twenty years, there have been many times when

1202
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,359
the Secretary of Defense or other military official has stated

1203
01:28:28,359 --> 01:28:30,720
that the United States needed to go ahead with the

1204
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,039
development of a new bomber, a new submarine, or even

1205
01:28:33,039 --> 01:28:37,279
a new missile system because intelligence had acquired information which

1206
01:28:37,319 --> 01:28:40,119
indicated that the Russians had such a bomber, submarine, or

1207
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:44,960
missile and if they develop it, then of course we

1208
01:28:45,159 --> 01:28:55,319
find that we're behind the times. So very very seldom

1209
01:28:55,319 --> 01:28:59,479
are these facts about military information revealed to the public,

1210
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,319
even to congressional committees, and huge expenditures have been made

1211
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,159
on partial information. Why do I bring up that kind

1212
01:29:08,199 --> 01:29:13,079
of institutional point, Well, because a lot of the information

1213
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:19,880
that guides procurement in Congress or guides DoD experimental technology development,

1214
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,279
like Trump just announced the F forty seven. Well, for

1215
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,319
some accounts, it's been operational for the last five years.

1216
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:33,560
DoD developed it because probably at some point someone in

1217
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,319
the intelligence community wrote a briefing saying that the Russian

1218
01:29:37,319 --> 01:29:41,319
and Chinese are developing more advanced fighter aircraft. Right, So

1219
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:45,199
DD would not have made that decision without agency advice.

1220
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:52,880
So to understand how the agency operationalizes its own intelligence,

1221
01:29:53,600 --> 01:30:02,760
it's that there's monumental amount of raw political information out there.

1222
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:08,680
According to Dulles. In Tragedy and Hope, Carol quickly writes

1223
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:13,079
that Dulles said, ten percent of agency information is actually

1224
01:30:13,159 --> 01:30:17,840
legitimately classified. Ninety percent of it is open source intelligence information.

1225
01:30:18,119 --> 01:30:21,000
So that's all stuff that you can publicly see through

1226
01:30:21,039 --> 01:30:26,640
like reading newspapers or you know, just pulling a poster

1227
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,920
off a wall or reading a political dispatch or something

1228
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,720
in a government office. For the most part, like declassified

1229
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:38,520
information is what it works in. So if that is

1230
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:42,399
the case, using that information as a machine as a

1231
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:47,399
function to turn it into eventually an ask with that

1232
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,840
like very small amount of classified information to become like

1233
01:30:52,279 --> 01:30:59,199
adod weapons system that requires the selective release and control

1234
01:30:59,239 --> 01:31:08,640
and analysis of information. If let's see it's Grace Jackson report,

1235
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:15,920
UH to do. As General Dolevant Donovan and Allan Dalls

1236
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,880
had proposed, the very success of secret intelligence would from

1237
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:23,680
time to time create its own requirements for subsequent clandestine

1238
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,159
operations for no more reason than the intelligence input had

1239
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:33,680
detected something somewhere. The legislators knew that clandestine operations would

1240
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,039
grow out of the findings of secret intelligence, whether or

1241
01:31:36,119 --> 01:31:39,039
not there was any national plan or policy to carry

1242
01:31:39,039 --> 01:31:42,159
out in the first place. This is why the Donovan,

1243
01:31:42,199 --> 01:31:45,600
Dulles Clifford school of thought requires the existence real or

1244
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,960
imagined of a constant enemy Communism. With a constant enemy,

1245
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:52,720
every bit of secret intelligence that reveals the existence of

1246
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,960
Communism is its own reason for the development of an operation.

1247
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,920
Then the CounterPunch becomes the action of a mission, not

1248
01:32:01,079 --> 01:32:06,720
of minds. So I bring that up because the modern

1249
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:14,800
conception of how the US conducts espionage overseas and how

1250
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,399
it carries out covert operations is that the US like

1251
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:23,760
systematically went to every left wing country in Latin and

1252
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,479
Central America and Eastern Europe and just and Africa and

1253
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:32,880
just like knocked them over needlessly. A lot of that

1254
01:32:33,319 --> 01:32:40,479
was on clear intelligence of Communism. And because this is

1255
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,399
very key, and it speaks to like the anti communist

1256
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,760
like pro Nazi element of dullest like the guys at

1257
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,119
the top were looking at the United States as the

1258
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:55,760
most powerful country in the world, which had poached the

1259
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:00,680
best possible espionage operatives from the Nazis, and we're now

1260
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,439
tooling them against the Soviet Union. So if you have

1261
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:08,439
the most powerful country with the best people, you would

1262
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:12,319
want to leverage that as strongly as possible against the

1263
01:33:12,319 --> 01:33:15,000
Soviet Union. And if you have the biggest stick on

1264
01:33:15,039 --> 01:33:18,840
the block, why wouldn't you use it on every possible

1265
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:24,880
instance of communism that you could find in the world.

1266
01:33:25,279 --> 01:33:28,079
The next part I would talk about would be the

1267
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,680
guatemal in a United Free Company stuff. I was wondering

1268
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,520
if you had any thoughts on that, Stormy, But that's

1269
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:34,880
a bit of a subject change.

1270
01:33:37,039 --> 01:33:39,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, we might have to save that for another day,

1271
01:33:39,079 --> 01:33:40,800
to be honest, that's a whole other tangent.

1272
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:46,039
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, that's a I mean, that's a series unto itself.

1273
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 2: I think it's a good series because I think it

1274
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,680
was the last time the CIA was actually doing things

1275
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:58,039
that were for America. And anybody that thinks that it's

1276
01:33:58,119 --> 01:34:01,640
just for like rich people overseas possessions, they don't understand

1277
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:02,800
how power works.

1278
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 3: I have a good, very specific incident on that point.

1279
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,359
There's a good inside look at the agency from the

1280
01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:16,520
mid nineteen seventies from It's a Biography of Richard Helmes.

1281
01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:20,279
At one meeting in nineteen sixty one, this special group

1282
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:24,279
at the agency discussed an incident in Singapore in which

1283
01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:28,119
two CIA technicians have been arrested while trying to polygraph

1284
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:33,039
a potential recruit in Singapore's Special Branch of the National Police.

1285
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,439
The polygraph operator had literally tried to eat his graphs

1286
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,720
when he didn't like the results. So the Prime Minister

1287
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,760
at this point, the brand new le kwon U, was furious,

1288
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,920
and his anger only increased when an attempt was made

1289
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,720
to bribe him with three million dollars in cash to

1290
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,439
drop charges against the CIA people. And there's a back

1291
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:57,960
and forth between at the time Bundy whose Secretary of State,

1292
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:05,039
sorry George Bundy Andy special assistant to this fucking title,

1293
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,760
special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. Very

1294
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,960
arrogant guy, more State department than agency. He got into

1295
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:20,159
an argument with Doulas over this incident. Bundy wanted all

1296
01:35:20,199 --> 01:35:22,920
future agency operations of this sort to be cleared in

1297
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:27,720
advance with him. Dulas refused to agree. This was CIA's province,

1298
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,920
the very heart of its expertise. Bundy was in effect

1299
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,039
proposing that he be put in charge of foreign intelligence collection,

1300
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,600
and that he was about to be entrusted with the

1301
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:40,159
identity of just about every agent's in the CIA. Imply employee.

1302
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,159
Dulas was not about to explain his objections to this

1303
01:35:43,279 --> 01:35:49,920
young man. He just said no. Dulles's tone was almost courtly.

1304
01:35:51,279 --> 01:35:55,600
Let's see, so Bundy says to Alan, you must realize

1305
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,520
this has a political aspect to it. Dulas's tone was

1306
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,720
almost courtly, his voice saw each word distinct. Yes, Mac,

1307
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,239
I do understand that there are some political aspects to this.

1308
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:06,720
Thank you very much for pointing this out to me.

1309
01:36:07,399 --> 01:36:09,600
But Dullest knew how to say no and Dullest one.

1310
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,560
But that only brushes the surface of Dulas's underlying flint.

1311
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,159
He was a hard man. He did not shrink from

1312
01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:19,800
ordering the assassination of foreign leaders, and as a general rule,

1313
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,319
his charm but not his power, stopped at the water's edge.

1314
01:36:24,199 --> 01:36:26,800
At a State department meeting about how to how to

1315
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:32,119
deal with Jamal Abdul Nasser, it's in the Egyptian president

1316
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:35,239
I think around nineteen fifty six and nineteen fifty seven,

1317
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,520
Dulles told a state department officer, if that colonel of

1318
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,239
yours pushes us too far, we will break him in half.

1319
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,840
The threat was not an idle one. Other national leaders

1320
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,720
who elicited the anger of the Dullest brothers did not survive.

1321
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:55,920
Mohammed Masadech of Iran and Jacobo are Benz of Guatemala,

1322
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,800
for those who don't know. In nineteen fifty three, the

1323
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:05,640
CIA overthrows the Iranian government because Masada nationalized Anglo Iranian

1324
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:11,880
oil company, and I think they used Roosevelt's cousin or

1325
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,159
something for that one. There's there's so many other sources

1326
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:18,840
with this, like I haven't even touched a tragedy and

1327
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:24,760
hope as well as shit, what's the other one. There's

1328
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,359
a couple other little like stories I have about the agency,

1329
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:34,520
kind of funnier, lighter ones. Sukarto was I think the

1330
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,920
president of Indonesia in the nineteen sixties and the Agency

1331
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:43,359
wanted him removed. And the agency thought that the best

1332
01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:44,800
thing they could do at the time was make a

1333
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:49,039
sex tape of Sukarto because if they showed this sex

1334
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:52,319
tape to the Indonesian public, they would be scandalized about

1335
01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:55,319
it because they were like a majority Muslim nation. So

1336
01:37:55,960 --> 01:38:00,000
they got they got this like fat Mexican guy who

1337
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:03,520
looks like Cicarto to like fuck a prostitute. And then

1338
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,960
they took that recording and they sent it to Indonesia

1339
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,319
and like publicized it there and the Indonesians thought it

1340
01:38:10,399 --> 01:38:14,479
was Zukarto. But in Indonesia, you're like a big man.

1341
01:38:15,039 --> 01:38:19,359
If you're like promiscuous. So the popularity for Szukarto actually

1342
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:25,880
increased in time. And uh was another anecdote about the

1343
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:29,239
agency operations. I want to like quickly illustrate the difference

1344
01:38:29,279 --> 01:38:32,520
between like how the United States and how Israel does

1345
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,119
things specifically.

1346
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:39,239
Speaker 1: Filo, Let's let's do a part two.

1347
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds good. I know this is like, this is

1348
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,720
a lot, this is a lot of topic.

1349
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're gonna we're gonna jump into something else

1350
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:50,079
and and we could be like I said, I think

1351
01:38:50,119 --> 01:38:52,319
I started this off by saying I have a feeling

1352
01:38:52,319 --> 01:38:55,159
we could go three hours and if I don't cut

1353
01:38:55,159 --> 01:38:57,319
it off now, I think we will. And Stormy has

1354
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:01,600
to jump too, so I will. Yeah, let's do that.

1355
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:06,800
Thank you, Filo. Us do a quick plug, we'll get

1356
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:07,279
out of here.

1357
01:39:08,079 --> 01:39:11,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a YouTube channel, follow Spiscelani, not really active,

1358
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,319
but that's my plug.

1359
01:39:14,399 --> 01:39:17,159
Speaker 1: All right, Stormy, you want people to follow you, follow

1360
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:18,119
you on Twitter.

1361
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 2: Follow me on Twitter. That's the only thing I have.

1362
01:39:20,279 --> 01:39:24,720
And next time I will budget at least two hours.

1363
01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:27,039
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I think we're gonna need it. All right, guys,

1364
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,239
I think this is enough for people to chew on

1365
01:39:30,359 --> 01:39:31,039
for right now.

1366
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,039
Speaker 2: So it's important for people to know how like intelligence

1367
01:39:35,039 --> 01:39:38,800
actually works because it's it's such a a meme that

1368
01:39:39,039 --> 01:39:41,760
I think is kind of hurts people's understanding when they

1369
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,159
try and you know, figure out what's going on.

1370
01:39:45,079 --> 01:39:48,039
Speaker 1: All right, all right, guys, have a good night. Thank you,

1371
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:53,359
all right, boys, good night. Well to welcome everyone back

1372
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:56,960
to the Peak Canana Show. I've been waiting for Part two.

1373
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:59,960
Glad we could do it now. Stormy, how are you doing.

1374
01:40:01,159 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic, pleasure.

1375
01:40:04,039 --> 01:40:06,359
Speaker 1: Filos, how are you also doing?

1376
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:08,239
Speaker 3: Excellent? It's great to be here.

1377
01:40:09,279 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 1: Awesome. All right, Part two talking about the Dulles brothers

1378
01:40:13,319 --> 01:40:17,600
and the CIA and Filos. You remember where we left off,

1379
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,520
so please just jump right in.

1380
01:40:20,319 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 3: I do.

1381
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 2: So.

1382
01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 3: Where we left off was we were going through the

1383
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,840
early nineteen fifties in the CIA and how the US

1384
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:34,600
military had been infiltrated by the agency and how a

1385
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,600
lot of these different points of information that we have

1386
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:41,399
accessed to today or because there's a lack of classification

1387
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:45,319
over them, and there's a few kind of smaller stories

1388
01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:51,079
about their activities. And a big takeaway also was James

1389
01:40:51,159 --> 01:40:53,800
Jesus Angleton. So just to kind of jog the audience's

1390
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:59,079
memory there pretty obviously associated with Israel and all the

1391
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:04,560
different operations, So there's many different angles we could work

1392
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,680
on today with this. I'd like to still keep going

1393
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:14,000
through the nineteen fifties in the Agency and talking about

1394
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:18,640
a guy called Lyman Kirkpatrick. But before I get into that,

1395
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:21,520
there is another subject I want to talk about, which

1396
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:27,319
is how do I kind of couch this In reading

1397
01:41:27,359 --> 01:41:31,479
about the Dullest Brothers, there's all of these lefty and

1398
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:36,439
progressive sources that are written describing these men as fascist

1399
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:42,479
and authoritarian and oppressive for going around the world knocking

1400
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:47,800
over native governments and causing regime change. And I wanted

1401
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:52,239
to just very briefly address some of the more critical

1402
01:41:52,319 --> 01:41:56,640
perspectives against the Dullest Brothers and against the CIA in

1403
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,000
the fifties, because so much of what we know nowadays,

1404
01:42:00,199 --> 01:42:03,000
so much of our perception of these men and their

1405
01:42:03,039 --> 01:42:07,199
activities is colored by a bunch of lefty academics. So

1406
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:10,039
if you two are cool with that, I can kind

1407
01:42:10,079 --> 01:42:16,279
of go through a few academic presuppositions and I guess

1408
01:42:16,359 --> 01:42:17,319
kind of debunk.

1409
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 2: Of I'm cool with that. I'm also cool with my

1410
01:42:20,039 --> 01:42:26,479
Intelligence Agency toppling Nicaragua and Guatemalan hundering governments whenever they

1411
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,079
want to fuck with United fruit or standard oil.

1412
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:34,239
Speaker 3: So this is where this is where I imagine we're

1413
01:42:34,279 --> 01:42:39,600
going to find some agreement. So the first critical lefty

1414
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:44,079
presupposition that you find in guys like David Talbot in

1415
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:47,920
the Devil's Chess Board or the Chompsky Angle of things

1416
01:42:48,079 --> 01:42:52,159
is that all colonialism that happens in the world is

1417
01:42:52,279 --> 01:42:55,920
bad or evil. But rather than calling out these other

1418
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:59,600
systems like the Chinese system or the Russian system, or

1419
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:04,039
the Britain system or the French system, they'll go after

1420
01:43:04,119 --> 01:43:07,159
the United States because the way that the United States

1421
01:43:07,159 --> 01:43:13,039
conducts colonialism is I would argue, actually more beneficial than

1422
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:17,840
all of those other systems. Something that's curiously absent from

1423
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:23,359
most progressives is criticizing other forms of regime change and

1424
01:43:24,279 --> 01:43:29,560
economic dominance. I would argue that the Dullest Brothers going

1425
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:34,399
into Guatemala and Nicaragua and a lot of these other

1426
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:40,000
CIA activities, even the Cuban Revolution, it's actually much more

1427
01:43:40,039 --> 01:43:46,079
benevolent and respectful of a culture's autonomy than other countries

1428
01:43:46,119 --> 01:43:50,119
conducting colonialism. And how can I possibly justify that when

1429
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:53,439
there's people getting killed. Well, what the Chinese do when

1430
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:57,159
they impose colonialism on a country is they take out

1431
01:43:57,199 --> 01:44:01,239
a one hundred year lease on infrastructure development for ports

1432
01:44:01,279 --> 01:44:06,760
and highways and wholly cut out the native population. They

1433
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:12,279
conduct widespread economic exploitation of whatever country in Africa or

1434
01:44:12,359 --> 01:44:17,760
Southeast Asia or Latin America that they go into. And

1435
01:44:19,079 --> 01:44:21,600
a similar system with the Russians and the Soviets. They

1436
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:26,640
would come in and impose their ideological change, but generally

1437
01:44:27,039 --> 01:44:31,119
as long as the country was nominally communist, they wouldn't

1438
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:34,279
care as much about the economic production that's going on there.

1439
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:39,199
And before I try and really defend American colonialism, I

1440
01:44:39,279 --> 01:44:43,640
have to describe the British and the French background here

1441
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:47,720
a little bit. So the world in which the Dullest

1442
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:51,720
Brothers are operating is the beginning of the post colonial

1443
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:56,199
world in the twentieth century. Prior to the nineteen sixties,

1444
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:02,720
most of the world was directly administered in a colonial fashion,

1445
01:45:03,239 --> 01:45:05,399
and most of that was done by the British or

1446
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:09,880
the French or the Americans. And the British system was

1447
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:14,079
they would pick a country and they would establish a

1448
01:45:14,119 --> 01:45:16,439
cast of people within that country. They would point to

1449
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:20,119
them and say this group is wider or more Anglo,

1450
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:25,039
or more ready to be westernized than another ethnic group,

1451
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,920
and then that first group would receive power, and then

1452
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:33,560
they would totally dominate the second group by using British

1453
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:39,840
colonial administrative structure with like a nominal overcast of British

1454
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:43,640
administrative officials. This is why the British promoted the caste

1455
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:47,960
system within India. And then conversely you have the French system,

1456
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,840
and in the French system you have a very strict

1457
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:56,920
colonial apparatus. Particularly this was in French West Africa, and

1458
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,600
the French would come in with their system of Napoleonic

1459
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:03,800
code and their departments, and they would entirely staff the

1460
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:09,159
colonial regime on an indigenous meritocracy within that country. And

1461
01:46:10,079 --> 01:46:13,439
it's very unpopular nowadays to defend that kind of Western

1462
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:19,680
colonialism against its alternative forms. But one thing I kind

1463
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:23,840
of arrived at when researching the activities of the Dulles brothers,

1464
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:30,119
I sort of realized that the modern liberal calculus of

1465
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:36,199
just economically desecrating countries and having the IMF and the

1466
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:40,039
World Bank go around in greater world economies in the

1467
01:46:40,119 --> 01:46:45,239
nineteen nineties and two thousands by allowing a Jewish international

1468
01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:50,239
capital to buy like a native state owned enterprise that's

1469
01:46:50,319 --> 01:46:54,279
actually significantly more harmful in the long term than a

1470
01:46:54,359 --> 01:46:57,760
short term regime change that the Dullest Brothers were doing.

1471
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:01,720
It's a pretty controversial statement, So do either of you

1472
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:03,960
have any thoughts on that.

1473
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 1: That Stormy?

1474
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:16,239
Speaker 2: I do actually so right first off, like the in

1475
01:47:16,319 --> 01:47:24,560
this analysis, they are basically weighing one thing that's not real,

1476
01:47:25,279 --> 01:47:28,920
it's never going to be real, and then what we

1477
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:36,239
do because if I am let's say, like an alien civilization,

1478
01:47:37,279 --> 01:47:40,840
I zip up and I find Earth. Unless I find

1479
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:48,720
Earth six thousand years ago, might I have I'm everyone

1480
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,319
would expect me to just take whatever the fuck I wanted,

1481
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,520
and that that is the things that would naturally happen.

1482
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:07,119
So there is not like an alternative, not an actual

1483
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:14,840
real politics where we just come across either strategically valuable

1484
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:22,560
real estate, whether it be location or in minerals resources whichever,

1485
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:29,239
that we can leverage in actual life or death competition

1486
01:48:29,399 --> 01:48:36,119
with the other developed nation states. It's a game. It's

1487
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:41,600
geopolitics is like the fucking Highlander. There's only going to

1488
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:47,000
be one and when there's not, there's going to be

1489
01:48:48,079 --> 01:48:51,399
great struggle and eventually, we hope that some of these

1490
01:48:51,399 --> 01:48:55,960
struggles balance each other out. Right, and it's just infinity stalemate.

1491
01:48:57,279 --> 01:49:02,159
But any one of those participants, their aim is not

1492
01:49:02,279 --> 01:49:08,239
Infinity's stalemate, right. Their aim is survival. And the only

1493
01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:13,640
way to ensure a nation's survival is to crush its enemies. Right.

1494
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:17,880
Politics is what its friend and enemy, And so there

1495
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:24,159
are no neutral countries. If you're undeveloped, you don't get

1496
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:28,159
to be neutral. Right, we have no reason to recognize

1497
01:49:28,199 --> 01:49:33,319
your sovereignty. You have something that is valuable, you are

1498
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:36,720
enable to stop us from taking it. If we don't

1499
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:39,800
take it, our enemy will take it and use it

1500
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:47,399
against us. So that's the actual alternative, right, There is

1501
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:50,279
no alternative reality where we just go, oh, this is

1502
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:57,880
the Suez Canal, this may be really important. Well, these

1503
01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:59,960
guys don't look like they can get their shit together,

1504
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,640
so I guess we've set the fuck off home. Then, huh, Like,

1505
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:10,000
that's not a reality. So the reason the lefties criticize

1506
01:50:10,039 --> 01:50:14,760
only America is because we're the biggest and we're the best,

1507
01:50:15,079 --> 01:50:20,800
and they hate greatness. Right. If another country was the

1508
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,880
biggest and the best, they would hate that country more

1509
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:28,119
than us. Rights they need to align themselves with the victim.

1510
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:34,640
Therefore they cannot align themselves with the Hegemen, so there

1511
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:41,720
is no non colonial eventuality. So that's I think what

1512
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:44,199
needs to happen as far as any type hold on

1513
01:50:44,319 --> 01:50:45,760
is I can have a screaming cat that's about to

1514
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:49,000
get tossed outside for being a Brett taken from taking

1515
01:50:49,039 --> 01:50:49,800
from their filo.

1516
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 3: It's just something that came up as I encountered this

1517
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:59,680
strange all of mirrors, especially when reading the David Talbot

1518
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:04,399
book and Chomsky, because it looks at it looks at

1519
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:08,119
like a very small Latin American or African or Southeast

1520
01:51:08,119 --> 01:51:14,560
Asian country and says they are just one Western educated

1521
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:21,640
communist away from being a utopia, you know, especially when

1522
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:24,119
they're talking. And we'll get into Guatemal a little bit later.

1523
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,840
But the way that they refer to Guatemala is that

1524
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:32,760
even though this country since and most colonial powers since

1525
01:51:34,119 --> 01:51:38,479
really the year eighteen hundred, since the Industrial Revolution, there's

1526
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:42,000
just been even in the era of like after Bolivar

1527
01:51:42,319 --> 01:51:46,920
in the eighteen twenties, there's continuous resi regime change between

1528
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:49,800
what is at the time very far right and very

1529
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:55,399
far left regimes. The overall cycle of regimes within these

1530
01:51:55,439 --> 01:52:00,000
different countries far out paces anything that the United States

1531
01:52:00,279 --> 01:52:01,760
is able to even really conceive of.

1532
01:52:02,359 --> 01:52:04,319
Speaker 2: Well, okay, real quick, real quick, let me interjugte the

1533
01:52:04,319 --> 01:52:07,039
reason why, the reason why, the easiest way that you

1534
01:52:07,039 --> 01:52:09,560
can defend the US system of colonialism versus any other

1535
01:52:10,279 --> 01:52:16,279
right is simply because we are going to keep toppling.

1536
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:22,560
So why did we rebuild Europe? Why was that important

1537
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,920
to us? It wasn't because we particularly love French people,

1538
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,479
and we know how you know, the people that were

1539
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:38,159
running the show felt about German people at that time. Yes,

1540
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:41,359
there was people that did not feel that way. Q.

1541
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:48,119
Allen Dulles and John Foster, but we rebuilt those nations

1542
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:55,039
at considerable expense because there is not more fertile ground.

1543
01:52:55,239 --> 01:52:57,920
More fertile ground does not exist anywhere in the world.

1544
01:52:58,359 --> 01:53:06,239
For communist revolution, then a bombed out shithole. Bombed out

1545
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:10,840
shithole is about as good as it gets, right. It

1546
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:15,920
is a revolutionary's wet dream. And all the countries in

1547
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:20,680
South and Central America at the time were bombed out shitholes,

1548
01:53:21,279 --> 01:53:26,199
either bombed out by themselves or just shitholes day facto.

1549
01:53:28,119 --> 01:53:33,039
Either way, it's fertile ground for a communist revolution, as

1550
01:53:33,079 --> 01:53:36,239
you can see, because communism just catches very very quickly.

1551
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:39,640
So if we are in a life or death struggle

1552
01:53:40,279 --> 01:53:43,840
against the Soviet Union, we have two options. I think

1553
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:47,239
Thomas lays it out great when I think you guys

1554
01:53:47,239 --> 01:53:51,079
were talking about Vietnam right at the point in time

1555
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:54,079
that you're talking about Filo. In the fifties and later

1556
01:53:54,119 --> 01:54:00,399
in the sixties, the US was losing to communism. Communist

1557
01:54:00,399 --> 01:54:03,319
we're talking up w after w after w all across

1558
01:54:03,359 --> 01:54:10,119
the Eurasian land mass and in Africa. So we just

1559
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:16,159
don't fuck with these countries in our own backyard is

1560
01:54:16,199 --> 01:54:21,119
not an option. It's not right. We're not going to

1561
01:54:21,159 --> 01:54:26,680
become a garrison nation. And no leader, no responsible leader

1562
01:54:27,039 --> 01:54:31,399
of the American nation, would in any good conscience, do

1563
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:35,159
that or allow that to take place. Right, if there's

1564
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:39,760
any place that needs to be toppled, it's the one

1565
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:43,760
in your own backyard. If there is a country full

1566
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:49,479
of resources or just really real estate, that is the

1567
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,720
country that you can't turn around and just you know,

1568
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,960
let them exist. However, it's the one that is directly

1569
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:58,880
connected to you via land. Right. The reason that the

1570
01:54:59,039 --> 01:55:02,159
US is in defensible position that it is is because

1571
01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:05,399
the people that hate us happen to have an ocean

1572
01:55:05,439 --> 01:55:09,199
in between us and them, So creating a situation where

1573
01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:11,560
they no longer have an ocean between us and them

1574
01:55:12,119 --> 01:55:16,680
isn't simply not allowed. So we didn't go impose some

1575
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:20,119
harsh caste system like Philo mentioned. We didn't do the

1576
01:55:20,199 --> 01:55:23,880
terrible French way, which I mean still goes on today,

1577
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,119
by the way, which everybody should check out, the West

1578
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:32,720
African frank. We didn't do any of these. We just

1579
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:41,399
did a test of anti fragility. Filo like Pylo just said,

1580
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,560
We're gonna keep on toppling these until you can fucking

1581
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:48,359
build one or assemble one that is resilient to communism.

1582
01:55:50,399 --> 01:55:53,439
And you're gonna try, and it's not going to be resilient,

1583
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:56,640
and then it's going to be taken over or begin

1584
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:58,920
to be taken over by communists, and then we're gonna

1585
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:04,640
topple that one again, and eventually you will have a

1586
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:08,600
government that's able to defend itself from communism that you

1587
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:14,479
built yourself. Right, So we are forcing them right. The

1588
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:17,760
US is acting as the evolution the rapid evolutionary forcing

1589
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:25,199
function for resiliency, Like, yes, US companies will do business there.

1590
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:27,680
The fact that there are US companies that do business

1591
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:31,399
there is actually what stops the Communists from invading or

1592
01:56:31,399 --> 01:56:34,000
trying to take it over. Right, the same reason that

1593
01:56:34,039 --> 01:56:35,479
Trump's like, yeah, I'm not going to try and put

1594
01:56:35,479 --> 01:56:40,399
troops in Ukraine, but I'm going to put businesses in Ukraine.

1595
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:43,600
I think it's a dumb idea because fuck Ukraine, frankly,

1596
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,920
But if we're talking about Monroe Doctrine like my backyard,

1597
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:52,520
then I do care, right, But putting businesses in Ukraine

1598
01:56:53,039 --> 01:56:56,920
is his way of not putting troops. It is as

1599
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:00,279
much of a trip wire, right, So, once the US

1600
01:57:00,399 --> 01:57:06,319
business is there in Ukraine, if Putin comes in and

1601
01:57:06,439 --> 01:57:10,560
tries to take it away, it gives you the diplomatic

1602
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:12,880
leeway to act the same way as if you had

1603
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:18,079
troops there. So the population, since the hypothesis of US

1604
01:57:18,199 --> 01:57:22,279
not taking them in a colonialist effort does not exist

1605
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:27,039
in reality, we have two options. We either station troops

1606
01:57:27,079 --> 01:57:31,520
there or poor capital into the country. Right, no matter

1607
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:34,000
how many troops we station there, that's never going to

1608
01:57:34,039 --> 01:57:37,720
develop the country anymore. Will take what we want, but

1609
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:39,760
there will be no knockdown there will be no second

1610
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:43,000
and third order effects that benefit anybody else there, right,

1611
01:57:43,039 --> 01:57:45,079
So business is always going to be better than bullets.

1612
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,159
And rather than imposing a form of government, we will

1613
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:53,039
allow one to form organically. And if it is, if

1614
01:57:53,039 --> 01:57:57,520
it ever ceases to be able to defend itself against communism,

1615
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:59,960
we're going to knock it over again. And we'll keep

1616
01:58:00,079 --> 01:58:03,159
knocking the sand castle Overlert until they build one that works.

1617
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:06,239
But the key factor in there is they built it,

1618
01:58:06,359 --> 01:58:11,000
not us. So just on its face, the US's form

1619
01:58:11,039 --> 01:58:16,600
of colonialism is the best if we're viewing the you know,

1620
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:23,520
happy feels of the natives as you know, the prime

1621
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:27,359
judging mechanism. Personally, I think other forms of colonialism would

1622
01:58:27,399 --> 01:58:32,279
have been a lot more easy to administer because none

1623
01:58:32,319 --> 01:58:34,600
of that optionality would have been given to the native population,

1624
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:38,039
nor would any of you know, anybody care about their feelings.

1625
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,279
But if we're judging by the feels of the brown

1626
01:58:41,359 --> 01:58:44,600
people in these places, then the US is by far

1627
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:48,720
the most superior, and the non colonial option doesn't actually exist.

1628
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:54,239
Speaker 3: It's false, exactly. And there is not a peep about

1629
01:58:54,479 --> 01:58:58,600
the Chinese exploitation of Sri Lanka. And that's a very

1630
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:02,399
Niche example. But everywhere that China goes and does business

1631
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:07,680
in an undeveloped country, it will build extractive infrastructure, and

1632
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,600
when it can, it will not interact with the native

1633
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:12,960
populace at all. It will not give them a dime.

1634
01:59:13,439 --> 01:59:17,119
And the people, the Chinese nationals that exit China to

1635
01:59:17,159 --> 01:59:21,760
go live in a place like you know, wherever in Africa,

1636
01:59:22,359 --> 01:59:26,319
to go mine resources and put them on Chinese trucks

1637
01:59:26,319 --> 01:59:29,279
on Chinese highways to go to a Chinese port in

1638
01:59:29,319 --> 01:59:33,000
another country. When you ask them where are they in

1639
01:59:33,079 --> 01:59:35,640
the world, they will look at you and tell you China.

1640
01:59:36,479 --> 01:59:38,520
And there's a reason for that. There's there is no

1641
01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:44,880
autonomy or sovereignty with any other model of colonialism. That's

1642
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:51,159
a very it's a very interesting distinction there. I'd like

1643
01:59:51,239 --> 01:59:55,600
to pivot back to the Central Intelligence Agency and the

1644
01:59:55,640 --> 02:00:05,039
Dullest brothers. Let's see here. So there's something to point out.

1645
02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:09,159
Very recently to tie it in. Trump recently appointed all

1646
02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:12,159
of his cabinet level officials. They all went through Congress,

1647
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:16,039
most of them got approved, and they were all sworn

1648
02:00:16,079 --> 02:00:21,680
in on television. And usually when someone at cabinet level

1649
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:26,079
secretary is confirmed by Congress, they give a brief speech

1650
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:29,079
after being sworn in by the President of the Congress

1651
02:00:29,079 --> 02:00:32,000
in this case JD. Vance. You know, usually it's about

1652
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:35,079
five or ten minutes, there's some media appearances, and then

1653
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:38,920
they get to work. Well, the current Director of Central

1654
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:42,399
Intelligence is a man named John Ratcliffe, and so JD.

1655
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:48,079
Vance gets up there before the swearing in and Vance says, quote, Normally,

1656
02:00:48,199 --> 02:00:51,000
after I administer the oath, I would invite the new

1657
02:00:51,039 --> 02:00:53,640
guy to say a few words. But given that he's

1658
02:00:53,680 --> 02:00:56,840
the leader of the CIA, John Ratcliffe is not going

1659
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,800
to give any remarks because every piece of knowledge and

1660
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:02,920
hit his brain is actually classified. So he's going to

1661
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:05,479
head straight to Langley and do the job that the

1662
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:11,479
American people need him to do. That's a very interesting position.

1663
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:15,159
How could a cabinet level official in front of the

1664
02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:21,479
Vice president say no words, give no speech, be accountable

1665
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:25,600
not at all to the media, and simply walk out

1666
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:28,119
of the room at the behest of the Vice president.

1667
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:33,680
That is because as I explain the position of the

1668
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:37,520
Director of Central Intelligence, it will be very clear that

1669
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:41,199
this is depending on who you ask, the second or

1670
02:01:41,279 --> 02:01:46,039
third most powerful man in the country period. And that

1671
02:01:46,279 --> 02:01:52,079
all begins with Alan Dulls. The question has to be asked,

1672
02:01:53,079 --> 02:01:58,119
who is the Director of Central Intelligence? Who staffed the

1673
02:01:58,159 --> 02:02:02,239
Central Intelligence Agency between nineteen forty seven and nineteen sixty one,

1674
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:05,520
that such a man of such power could come from

1675
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:09,399
it and enter into a position to run it well.

1676
02:02:09,439 --> 02:02:12,439
There's three generations of men that are present in the

1677
02:02:12,439 --> 02:02:15,920
Central Intelligence Agency at this time. The first is a

1678
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:21,520
senior group. These are American military men and corporate men

1679
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:25,840
either in finance or law, that generally served in World

1680
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:31,359
War One and who had vast foreign contact networks. These men,

1681
02:02:31,399 --> 02:02:34,319
I found in reading biographies and direct histories of the

1682
02:02:34,359 --> 02:02:42,239
agency are exceptionally competent, worldly, and political. The second generation

1683
02:02:42,359 --> 02:02:46,520
of men were the World War Two OSS guys. These

1684
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:53,000
are highly plugged into military They are extreme experts in

1685
02:02:53,039 --> 02:02:57,800
the state of global affairs and also covert operations. To them,

1686
02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:01,720
they are the hammer to which every problem is a nail.

1687
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:05,399
And the third group, the group that begins to come

1688
02:03:05,439 --> 02:03:08,000
into the CIA as it is set up, is the

1689
02:03:08,039 --> 02:03:12,800
new recruits. These are the people that are enrolled in

1690
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:18,039
the Junior Agency Office training program. According to Lyman Kirkpatrick,

1691
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:23,079
this training program rivaled the executive the best executive development

1692
02:03:23,079 --> 02:03:27,039
programs in the industry. Procter and Gamble. When someone in

1693
02:03:27,079 --> 02:03:29,319
the late nineteen forties and early fifties goes into the

1694
02:03:29,359 --> 02:03:34,800
Central Intelligence Agency, an entire year is devoted to formal training,

1695
02:03:35,319 --> 02:03:38,680
followed by three years of control and guidance by the

1696
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:42,319
Office of Training. And what kind of people are recruited

1697
02:03:42,359 --> 02:03:46,159
into the Central Intelligence Agency? According to a nineteen fifty

1698
02:03:46,159 --> 02:03:50,359
one House Appropriations meeting, some of the most recruited quality

1699
02:03:50,399 --> 02:03:54,960
men in the CIA were actually FBI agents and military

1700
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:59,760
officers and men from corporate fields. That I think is

1701
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:03,600
very interesting that the CIA would be going into all

1702
02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:07,680
other government agencies and poaching their best people. And I

1703
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:12,640
want to elucidate an example of a man who is

1704
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:15,920
detailed by L. Fletcher Prowdy, and that man's name is

1705
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:20,800
Lyman Kirkpatrick, because I think the trajectory of his career

1706
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:25,800
really shapes out how the Central Intelligence Agency is taking

1707
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,840
shape at this time. He why should you care about

1708
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:32,840
him in relation to Dolls. Well, he was the executive

1709
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:38,359
assistant to the prior Director of Central Intelligence, Gender General

1710
02:04:38,479 --> 02:04:42,960
Walter Biddell Smith, and he was also the Inspector General

1711
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:47,159
of the CIA, appointed by Dolls. This man also created

1712
02:04:47,199 --> 02:04:52,479
the Defense Intelligence Agency, and he also wrote the Keystone

1713
02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:55,359
Report on the Bay of Pigs invasion. So the reason

1714
02:04:55,359 --> 02:04:58,399
that you should give a shit about Lyman Kirkpatrick is

1715
02:04:58,439 --> 02:05:01,039
that he is the highest authority in the Central Intelligence

1716
02:05:01,079 --> 02:05:06,880
Agency that wrote a detailed primary source book after his service.

1717
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:10,159
And he's also one of the very few men, one

1718
02:05:10,199 --> 02:05:14,159
of three, that L. Fletcher Proudy believes realistically depicts the

1719
02:05:14,199 --> 02:05:18,359
inner functioning of the CIA. And we'll start off with

1720
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:22,239
how he was recruited into the agency. Prior to the

1721
02:05:22,319 --> 02:05:26,079
nineteen seventies, really intelligent people would be recruited on merit.

1722
02:05:26,439 --> 02:05:28,560
It's kind of the opposite today. It takes about two

1723
02:05:28,640 --> 02:05:35,159
years to get into the agency. Kirkpatrick was recruited, Okay,

1724
02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:37,439
So I'll just give a brief exposition of his life.

1725
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:39,880
He wrote a book in nineteen sixty nine called The

1726
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:45,399
Real CIA where he details all this. So Kirkpatrick graduates

1727
02:05:45,399 --> 02:05:48,199
from Princeton in June of nineteen thirty eight, and he

1728
02:05:48,279 --> 02:05:51,159
was urged by his boss, a former naval aviator, to

1729
02:05:51,239 --> 02:05:54,199
apply for a commission in the Naval Air Intelligence. He

1730
02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:57,439
gets rejected by the Navy for being mildly colorblind in

1731
02:05:57,479 --> 02:06:01,159
May of nineteen forty and through a friend he's introduced

1732
02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:05,439
to wild Bill Donovan. At the time, in nineteen forty,

1733
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:10,439
Donovan is heading up the Office of Coordination of Information.

1734
02:06:12,479 --> 02:06:16,239
Based on the interview, Donovan really really wants this Kirkpatrick

1735
02:06:16,239 --> 02:06:21,680
guy on board. Kirkpatrick knows this because as he is

1736
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:25,159
hanging around federal buildings trying to get a job after

1737
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:29,119
being rejected by the Navy, an agent comes up from

1738
02:06:29,279 --> 02:06:33,600
the Civil Service Commission and flashes a badge. Kirkpatrick looks

1739
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:36,960
at this badge and he realizes that this is a

1740
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:40,760
fake person. And if you recall, during part one of

1741
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:47,560
this series, the Central Intelligence Agency and also the OSS

1742
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:52,159
was very adept at getting fake people created to staff

1743
02:06:52,199 --> 02:06:55,760
government agencies and the military. This is a tool that

1744
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:58,880
they're able to use to get information out of people.

1745
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:04,279
So this man who walks up to Kirkpatrick does not

1746
02:07:04,359 --> 02:07:09,640
actually work for the Civil Service Commission. He knows the

1747
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:13,319
investigator is obviously a little new and he's investigating on

1748
02:07:13,399 --> 02:07:17,680
behalf of Donovan's organization to try and find out Kirkpatrick's background.

1749
02:07:18,239 --> 02:07:23,119
Kirkpatrick knows this because the investigator mistakes him for his boss.

1750
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:26,760
And so this man comes up to Kirkpatrick and says,

1751
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:30,520
you know, what's you know? Are you know? Do you

1752
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:33,199
work with Kirkpatrick? And he goes, well, yeah, you know,

1753
02:07:33,239 --> 02:07:37,840
where's this going to go? The first question is did

1754
02:07:37,960 --> 02:07:44,119
Kirkpatrick's attitude towards the war change any after Russia became involved?

1755
02:07:45,359 --> 02:07:49,920
This question was asked in right after I think Operation

1756
02:07:50,119 --> 02:07:55,239
Barbarossa in early nineteen forty two. And why would a

1757
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:59,960
spook interviewers first question be about Russia in nineteen five?

1758
02:08:00,479 --> 02:08:03,159
I wouldn't it be some kind of allegiance towards the

1759
02:08:03,239 --> 02:08:09,039
Nazis or some kind of overall sympathy with communism. I'm reminded,

1760
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:12,800
Stormy of your point that all of the really involved

1761
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:16,520
players in World War Two were concerned about the Soviet

1762
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:21,760
Union right from the start. So he goes through this

1763
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:26,159
brief questioning process and then he doesn't really think much

1764
02:08:26,199 --> 02:08:28,279
of it. He's being vetted at this point by several

1765
02:08:28,319 --> 02:08:32,520
government agencies. He then gets a call very mysteriously from

1766
02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:35,920
the Secretary of the Navy himself. So at this point

1767
02:08:36,039 --> 02:08:39,439
Kirkpatrick isn't in any government agency or service. He's just

1768
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:43,600
agreed to work in Donovan's department, and the Secretary of

1769
02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:48,920
the Navy asks this Basically, this nobody. Come into my

1770
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:50,760
office and you and I are going to have a talk.

1771
02:08:51,279 --> 02:08:54,479
So he comes in and very quickly he's sitting in

1772
02:08:54,479 --> 02:08:57,479
front of the Secretary of the Navy, and the secretary

1773
02:08:57,520 --> 02:09:00,760
asks him, how would you like to become mission tomorrow

1774
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:04,600
is a Navy ensign, and Kirkpatrick says, no, I've agreed

1775
02:09:04,640 --> 02:09:08,119
to join what will become the OSS. And the Secretary

1776
02:09:08,119 --> 02:09:10,680
of the Navy leans over his desk and he says,

1777
02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:14,439
don't go into that crazy outfit because there's no rules

1778
02:09:14,439 --> 02:09:20,880
and there's no regulation. So Kirkpatrick, again similar to the

1779
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:24,920
fake military personnel, gets a direct commission in the Army

1780
02:09:25,279 --> 02:09:27,720
even though he's not in the military, and he was

1781
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:32,479
rejected from the Navy. So he has a very illustrious

1782
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:35,039
career in World War Two, and as a fake Army

1783
02:09:35,079 --> 02:09:39,560
lieutenant he is personally advising General Patton in General Bradley,

1784
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:44,560
and then through his meteoric rise, he eventually becomes the

1785
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:48,319
number three man at the Central Intelligence Agency. So why

1786
02:09:48,359 --> 02:09:53,239
does this matter? Why does this one man his trajectory matters. Well,

1787
02:09:53,239 --> 02:09:57,159
it's sort of an archetype for how this central intelligence

1788
02:09:57,199 --> 02:10:03,319
agency could orchestrate control over different aspects of government in

1789
02:10:03,439 --> 02:10:08,239
order to bring the most meritocratic person to their operation.

1790
02:10:09,159 --> 02:10:12,760
And this was the thrust as the organization was beginning

1791
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:17,640
to coalesce together after the war as well. And I

1792
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:20,880
want to bring up to contextualize Dulls. I want to

1793
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:25,600
bring up briefly the previous Director of Central Intelligence, and

1794
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:29,319
that is a man named General Walter Bedell Smith, who

1795
02:10:29,439 --> 02:10:33,760
was DCI from October of nineteen fifty to February of

1796
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:40,199
nineteen fifty three. Interestingly, when Dolls replaces him as DCI,

1797
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:43,399
Smith goes on to join the board of United Fruit Company.

1798
02:10:44,239 --> 02:10:48,439
Very interesting little fact there. The mood at the time

1799
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:52,319
when General Smith was DCI was that the Korean War

1800
02:10:52,479 --> 02:10:55,600
was the final blow needed to force the United States

1801
02:10:55,640 --> 02:10:59,239
to revitalize its defense establishment and also to build a

1802
02:10:59,319 --> 02:11:05,199
modern intelligent system. And at Smith's right hand is Alan Dolles.

1803
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:09,000
So General Smith arrives in DC in October of nineteen

1804
02:11:09,039 --> 02:11:12,640
fifty and he calls Dulls at his law firm, Sullivan

1805
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:16,319
and Cromwell, and he says, verbatim, you wrote the report

1806
02:11:16,399 --> 02:11:19,840
on the CIA, now come to Washington and help me

1807
02:11:19,960 --> 02:11:24,079
implement it. At this time in the Central Intelligence Agency

1808
02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:29,079
in nineteen fifty, there are two units operating overseas. Clandestine

1809
02:11:29,079 --> 02:11:34,760
collection is by the Office of Special Operations, and the

1810
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:39,119
covert operations are conducted by the Office of Policy Coordination.

1811
02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:43,960
The OsO has elements of State Department and DoD, but

1812
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:49,680
the Office of Policy Coordination is just agency. So under

1813
02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:55,800
Dolls's direction, he consolidates these two halves, and that's where

1814
02:11:55,920 --> 02:12:03,039
the recruitment of people to sort of act as fake

1815
02:12:03,159 --> 02:12:07,399
military members or government officials becomes entirely the purview of

1816
02:12:07,439 --> 02:12:11,119
the CIA. So to make this make sense, he is

1817
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:18,560
removing administrative control from non CIA departments in order to

1818
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:24,319
create more ambiguity about getting people involved overseas that represent

1819
02:12:24,399 --> 02:12:28,520
those departments, because you don't want somebody who reports into

1820
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:31,800
State Department saying, hey, there's a guy walking around here

1821
02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:34,439
who's claiming to be a member of the State Department.

1822
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:36,920
You know, do you have him on record? Well, no,

1823
02:12:37,039 --> 02:12:41,600
he's actually agency. That no longer is a problem. So

1824
02:12:42,520 --> 02:12:46,760
General Smith is initially opposed to wanting both of these

1825
02:12:46,840 --> 02:12:51,920
things combined, the Special Operations and the Policy Coordination combined

1826
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:56,199
into one organization, but Dulls has been pushing for this

1827
02:12:56,720 --> 02:12:59,680
since May of nineteen forty eight, and in June of

1828
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:03,560
nineteen teen fifty one. He combines the Latin American divisions

1829
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:07,039
of these two departments as the first keystone move. Now,

1830
02:13:07,399 --> 02:13:11,159
early in his career, Dullas hadmanned the Latin America desk

1831
02:13:11,199 --> 02:13:15,960
of the State Department, and that becomes very critical as

1832
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:18,600
you start to get into the United Fruit Company in

1833
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:30,760
guatemal later on. Let's see, the CIA then begins under Dulles,

1834
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:35,640
And there's a few interesting facts here. So the CIA

1835
02:13:35,800 --> 02:13:40,279
is formerly under Dulles's control from February of nineteen fifty

1836
02:13:40,279 --> 02:13:44,560
three until November of nineteen sixty one, and according to

1837
02:13:44,680 --> 02:13:49,520
one of his successors, Richard Helms, the National Security Act

1838
02:13:49,520 --> 02:13:53,800
of nineteen forty seven gave Dulles authority over the entire

1839
02:13:53,920 --> 02:14:03,119
intelligence community. It's been claimed that Dulles was, you know,

1840
02:14:03,319 --> 02:14:07,920
threading many different bureaucratic parts within the agency, but honestly

1841
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:11,199
a more objective look. And this is according to Richard

1842
02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:16,439
Holmes personally, that all that Dulls ever gave a shit

1843
02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:21,560
about was operations. He cared about how to recruit KGB officers,

1844
02:14:22,199 --> 02:14:25,359
he cared about the vulnerabilities of on cooperative foreign governments,

1845
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:30,760
how to get information from friendly intelligence services, and he

1846
02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:34,039
didn't really care about the line items of multi billion,

1847
02:14:34,319 --> 02:14:38,279
multimillion dollar budgets, and why does he have this free

1848
02:14:38,359 --> 02:14:42,880
bureaucratic movement. Well after Eisenhower created the President's Board of

1849
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:50,640
Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Tech activities, Dulles suggests, you know,

1850
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:56,279
he creates this board to consult on these activities. Every

1851
02:14:56,279 --> 02:14:59,199
single person, all ten members of this board are handpicked

1852
02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:03,640
by Dulles, so they have complete control over him, over

1853
02:15:05,039 --> 02:15:12,319
the activities of the committee. And they're trying to also

1854
02:15:12,479 --> 02:15:15,159
pat him on the back. They're putting him Dulus more

1855
02:15:15,199 --> 02:15:21,720
and more into the White House. And the other close

1856
02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:25,000
coordination that Doulas had to access at this time period

1857
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:29,399
was his brother, John Foster. DoLS is Secretary of State

1858
02:15:29,439 --> 02:15:33,600
and he wants an activist CIA. So Dolus himself is

1859
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:39,119
very very good at conducting these operations. But there's a vulnerability.

1860
02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:44,199
There's a setback, and this is from Lyman Kirkpatrick, who

1861
02:15:44,319 --> 02:15:48,359
he has a meteoric rise in the Central Intelligence Agency.

1862
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:51,720
He would have been director, but he contracted polio on

1863
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:54,840
assignment in Southeast Asia on nineteen fifty two, and this

1864
02:15:55,000 --> 02:16:00,600
precludes him from really being able to rise to position.

1865
02:16:03,079 --> 02:16:08,960
The Kirkpatrick writes that in early nineteen fifty four, McCarthy

1866
02:16:09,079 --> 02:16:13,960
is continuing to attack the Central Intelligence Agency because supposedly

1867
02:16:14,279 --> 02:16:17,600
there's a whole bunch of communists that are present. This

1868
02:16:17,640 --> 02:16:20,199
is something that comes up very frequently with McCarthy. His

1869
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:25,119
tactic is to point to a government administration and say

1870
02:16:25,159 --> 02:16:29,239
that there's a secret cabal internally that is a group

1871
02:16:29,279 --> 02:16:33,520
of communists that's all working to advance the communist agenda. Now,

1872
02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:37,600
for the most part, that's completely accurate and true, but

1873
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it's not true for the Central Intelligence Agency. And Doulas

1874
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takes this very personally. He's extremely anti communist. The unbeknownst

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to McCarthy, and according to Kirkpatrick, the CIA had been

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completely and thoroughly investigated after World War Two for communist activity,

1877
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regardless of employment or the security clearances that anyone within

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the Central Intelligence Agency had held. So Dulls knew that,

1879
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for the most part, everyone at the CIA was pretty

1880
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clean in terms of Communist activity at the time, according

1881
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to Kirkpatrick. But Dullus goes further. He sits down at

1882
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a meeting. I wouldn't call it a meeting, it's more

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of a convention. He puts six hundred agency employees in

1884
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a room with him, and he says to all of

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them directly that he will fire anybody who goes to

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McCarthy without his personal authorization. Dullus also notes in a

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different source that quote, since I have been with the CIA,

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a mountain of harbd evidence on communist intrigue has passed

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over my desk. Soviet spies have been operating in the

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United States for more than forty years, and the apparatus

1891
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all over the world went into high gear for the

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Cold War. So that explains the emphasis on the anti

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communist tendency within the Central Intelligence Agency, and they would

1894
02:18:10,959 --> 02:18:16,639
end up doing much more like pro lefty activities after

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the Dulles brothers are outed. But there's another quote here

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that is from a book called The Cultural Cold War,

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which claims that the CIA influenced and infiltrated the cultural

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sphere of the left wing progressives and bankrolled them. Everyone

1899
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from Isaiah Berlin to Jackson Pollock, to bertrand Russell Desartra,

1900
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they were all in the CIA payroll. And well, people

1901
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might associate that with Dulls. That's actually not quite true.

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In the book, it says about men like Dulls that

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these men like Dolls quote school in the principles of

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a robust intellect, athletic prowess, pilyitess, noblige, and solid Christian ethics.

1905
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They took their example from men like the Reverend Endicott Peabody,

1906
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trained in the Christian virtues and the duties of privileged.

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They emerged believing in democracy, but wary of unchecked egalitarianism reversing.

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This was the elect that had not been elected, So

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a lot of the other I'm gonna I guess I'm

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straying a little bit, But basically these guys were extremely

1911
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motivated internal to their own agency to get rid of

1912
02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:45,040
the communism that was present. And how they actually conducted

1913
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:48,959
these operations, well, okay, they had a legal network that

1914
02:19:49,079 --> 02:19:53,040
was also present in the agency. It was very limited

1915
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:56,159
in its scope and its manpower. Right, This is the

1916
02:19:56,399 --> 02:20:01,440
uh More espionage side of the house. Every important American

1917
02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:06,239
embassy and consulate has its quota of CIA men who

1918
02:20:06,239 --> 02:20:10,760
are given a cover rank but whose work escapes diplomatic discipline.

1919
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The CIA Legal operative reports directly to Washington. His job,

1920
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:20,399
like his Soviet counterpart, is to recruit illegal agents, build

1921
02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:23,680
up contacts with non governmental forces in the country, and

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collect information through sources not available to the regular embassy staff.

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So this begins to create kind of an elite class

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of people within the CIA. So you have the analyst

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side of the house, which is usually you have a

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country desk where you have anywhere between half a dozen

1927
02:20:46,920 --> 02:20:49,760
to a dozen experts on any given country. They all

1928
02:20:49,799 --> 02:20:52,920
have a specialty area for that country. One person is

1929
02:20:53,559 --> 02:20:57,280
very very knowledgeable about the economics of a country, the

1930
02:20:57,360 --> 02:21:00,680
other knows a great deal about the religion. Another person

1931
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knows about the recent history and political situation of the country,

1932
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and those people form an analyst collective about the country,

1933
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which then will create intelligence reports based off of mostly

1934
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open source intelligence information and sometimes clandestinely gathered information like

1935
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satellite activity. I should also stress that this is prior

1936
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for the most part. I think Stormy can correct me.

1937
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This is prior to a lot of the psychic activities

1938
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that were going on at the agency. I know that

1939
02:21:37,959 --> 02:21:43,159
they had mk Ultra, and I listened to Astrol's episode

1940
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on that, but I'm not an expert in that area,

1941
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so I'm not going to over extend myself on that front.

1942
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Speaker 2: I started in the six in the in the late

1943
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sixties early.

1944
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Speaker 3: Seventies, sure, okay, so also came out.

1945
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Speaker 2: Of it also came Another thing is that while this

1946
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is happening in the CIA, another thing that you another

1947
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group that you will butt into when you butt into

1948
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the CIA, which is a lot harder to find anything on, frankly,

1949
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is the Naval Intelligence. And it's a naval intelligence kind

1950
02:22:24,680 --> 02:22:29,239
of sits in the background, right. So as he's describing

1951
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:33,120
all this, keep in mind that all of the branches

1952
02:22:33,159 --> 02:22:38,079
of the military have kept and grown their own intelligence

1953
02:22:38,120 --> 02:22:43,680
off agencies internally, and they're the only people with equally

1954
02:22:43,719 --> 02:22:49,159
as unlimited and equally as unchecked and equally as classified budgets.

1955
02:22:50,600 --> 02:22:56,680
So sometimes these groups will overlap. Remote viewing I believe

1956
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came out of the Pentagon.

1957
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Speaker 3: First, and it would kind of track with the overall

1958
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trajectory of the intelligence community because this number three man

1959
02:23:06,719 --> 02:23:10,879
at the CIA, Limon Kirkpatrick, he founds the Defense Intelligence

1960
02:23:10,920 --> 02:23:14,440
Agency in the nineteen fifties. He's response and he's called

1961
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the father of the d IA by people within that community.

1962
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Speaker 2: And yeah, there's not much Defense Department in the Defense

1963
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Intelligence Agency though.

1964
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Speaker 3: Sure, I mean it's it's mostly uh, I'd have to

1965
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like double check the information there, but it's it's a lot,

1966
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it's a lot of O. And I right, yep, yeah,

1967
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I mean that because that makes sense because the Office

1968
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prior to I have a book on the origins of

1969
02:23:44,799 --> 02:23:49,959
the OSS. It's the big internal CIA one had to

1970
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:53,079
be gone through twice before they were able to publish

1971
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:57,600
it by Troy Baker. I think that one to.

1972
02:23:57,719 --> 02:24:01,159
Speaker 2: Say, a good example is like the Defense both the

1973
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:07,280
Office of Naval Intelligence had their own I guess Warren Commission,

1974
02:24:09,639 --> 02:24:13,399
all right, that was strictly internal for them, and you

1975
02:24:13,479 --> 02:24:16,079
still can't get the classified not even a single freaking

1976
02:24:16,120 --> 02:24:19,319
page of it, including the Trump administration, you can't get it.

1977
02:24:20,959 --> 02:24:24,120
Speaker 3: I know that they were the dominant intelligence force in

1978
02:24:24,159 --> 02:24:27,920
the country prior to World War Two. I mean, that

1979
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was it. There was. And also if you look, you know,

1980
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I think kind of the hidden story about Kirkpatrick's recruitment

1981
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is that, and it's very interesting. So there's this unspoken

1982
02:24:41,799 --> 02:24:47,920
subtext of a relationship between the Navy and the recruitment

1983
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:52,760
apparatus within the OSS. Right, so the Secretary of the

1984
02:24:52,840 --> 02:24:57,520
Navy knocks, he knows, I mean, he is informed the

1985
02:24:57,559 --> 02:25:01,639
next day, you know, because he calls this candidate, this

1986
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:05,440
Kirkpatrick guy. Because if Oss wants him. He's been rejected

1987
02:25:05,440 --> 02:25:07,799
to be enable candidate. The only the only way he

1988
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:10,639
can secure his loyalty is, you know, he says, hey,

1989
02:25:10,719 --> 02:25:13,959
do you want to commission tomorrow? I mean that's and

1990
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:18,200
that sounds people might not appreciate just how major of

1991
02:25:18,319 --> 02:25:19,360
like that doesn't happen.

1992
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Speaker 2: It doesn't the president you exactly, like the President of

1993
02:25:25,159 --> 02:25:26,920
the United States calling you saying, hey, do you want

1994
02:25:26,920 --> 02:25:27,600
a job tomorrow?

1995
02:25:28,440 --> 02:25:31,920
Speaker 3: Right, So, there's there's there's there's many things going behind

1996
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:34,360
the scenes, and who.

1997
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Speaker 2: Knows univers If you notice, all the CIA guys tend

1998
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to come out of where CIA leadership, right, So, I

1999
02:25:42,799 --> 02:25:45,360
guess you could say, like the class structure within the CIA,

2000
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:46,319
so to speak.

2001
02:25:48,360 --> 02:25:52,200
Speaker 3: At the time, they're all coming out of Yale and Princeton.

2002
02:25:52,319 --> 02:25:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. How come we never see like a West

2003
02:25:58,760 --> 02:26:04,040
Point or any of the other military academies which are

2004
02:26:04,959 --> 02:26:10,600
far harder to get into than Yale. I would imagine

2005
02:26:10,639 --> 02:26:11,399
those guys mentioned.

2006
02:26:12,520 --> 02:26:15,959
Speaker 3: My guess is that they've already been intoctrinated with do

2007
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D thinking the methodology of war gaming things. And you

2008
02:26:21,639 --> 02:26:26,440
know they've also been trained very hierarchically and with an.

2009
02:26:26,319 --> 02:26:30,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all these guys were routing. These are all

2010
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:31,520
the most important thing.

2011
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Speaker 3: This is a great book called Wise Men by Walter Isaacson.

2012
02:26:36,639 --> 02:26:39,200
It details how all these guys, you know, all the

2013
02:26:39,239 --> 02:26:42,440
World War One guys. There's also a huge thing for

2014
02:26:42,520 --> 02:26:47,399
Navy intelligence. So Kirkpatrick's boss was a naval aviator and

2015
02:26:47,479 --> 02:26:50,959
all of the people that founded early UH naval aviation

2016
02:26:51,079 --> 02:26:54,079
and Navy intelligence that were working in that field. These

2017
02:26:54,120 --> 02:26:57,360
guys had like all of the powerful connections that are

2018
02:26:57,360 --> 02:26:59,719
going on. And I mean it's it's still the case,

2019
02:26:59,840 --> 02:27:03,479
like it's uh, you know, you know, find me a

2020
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:07,440
very interesting parallel today is if you look at all

2021
02:27:07,440 --> 02:27:09,719
the people that are in charge of the Department of Defense,

2022
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:13,120
like the Joint chiefs of Staff, they're all fighter pilots,

2023
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:17,239
but also overrepresented as like the Navy's opinions. I mean,

2024
02:27:17,239 --> 02:27:20,319
then the Navy really runs the show when it comes

2025
02:27:20,319 --> 02:27:23,600
to the bureaucracy in DC nowadays. And also like basically

2026
02:27:24,479 --> 02:27:30,239
like throughout American history, Yes, you know that the Army

2027
02:27:30,319 --> 02:27:33,079
is out in the nineteenth century fighting the Indian Wars.

2028
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:36,920
The Marine Corps is deployed you know, all over the

2029
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:38,159
world to you know.

2030
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:40,840
Speaker 2: The Googles. But yeah, the Marine Corps, the Marine corps

2031
02:27:40,920 --> 02:27:46,159
under who now at the time and still are technically.

2032
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:49,319
Speaker 3: Then the Navy, yeah, exactly, and so all these naval

2033
02:27:49,360 --> 02:27:52,959
personnel are in d C, and all the admirals and

2034
02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:55,559
all the general staff, and uh, if you look at

2035
02:27:55,600 --> 02:28:00,200
Trump's changes, you know, well, here a.

2036
02:28:00,159 --> 02:28:02,719
Speaker 2: Real quick example that everyone at home can google. Right now.

2037
02:28:02,840 --> 02:28:04,280
You can do it too far, though, I'd love to

2038
02:28:04,280 --> 02:28:13,079
actually hear your opinion. Type in pentagon militia, destroys kills

2039
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:15,479
whichever pick an adjective, Cia, militia.

2040
02:28:18,200 --> 02:28:19,319
Speaker 3: Okay, I stand by here.

2041
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this.

2042
02:28:27,399 --> 02:28:33,280
Speaker 3: I remember what Los Angeles time sorticle. Yes, oh, man,

2043
02:28:33,319 --> 02:28:34,440
I could tell you about this one.

2044
02:28:35,159 --> 02:28:42,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the CIA was trying to at the best

2045
02:28:42,520 --> 02:28:45,040
of I guess you can call it at the best

2046
02:28:45,079 --> 02:28:48,959
of Zionism. This is the thing is that I didn't

2047
02:28:48,959 --> 02:28:52,840
want to interrupt you, but Alan Dulles was right about communists.

2048
02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:57,520
He just didn't really understand communists all that. Well, you

2049
02:28:57,520 --> 02:29:00,840
could hate communists and be very anti communists and not

2050
02:29:00,959 --> 02:29:03,639
understand communism. And let let's say the way the three

2051
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:08,719
of us understand communism, right, we understand communism a little

2052
02:29:08,719 --> 02:29:13,200
bit differently, and we understand that there's no difference between

2053
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:18,040
that and Zionism, right, guys. So he may have had

2054
02:29:18,040 --> 02:29:22,799
a blind spot because the reason why Alan Dulles couldn't

2055
02:29:22,799 --> 02:29:25,520
figure out how the Soviets kept on getting all of

2056
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:29,600
their shit was it never occurred to him that it

2057
02:29:29,639 --> 02:29:37,600
was Israel giving all of the materials. The mole that

2058
02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:43,040
that James Jus Angleton was, you know, commissioned to find

2059
02:29:43,559 --> 02:29:46,159
this Soviet mole wasn't in fact the Soviet mole at all.

2060
02:29:46,799 --> 02:29:52,159
It's a Zionist mole, and he was it. James Ington

2061
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:55,239
was the guy that he was supposed to find. But

2062
02:29:55,760 --> 02:30:01,040
who was Zionism at this point? Find me a Israeli

2063
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:05,479
prime minister? Who's I have to covey at this because

2064
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:10,360
I could just say every Israeli prime minister was a

2065
02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:15,879
former member of the Soviet intelligence apparatus. But then I

2066
02:30:15,879 --> 02:30:18,879
have to caveat that because Benjamin and Yahoo exists and

2067
02:30:18,920 --> 02:30:22,479
he's just the son of two Soviet intelligence officers.

2068
02:30:24,319 --> 02:30:29,040
Speaker 3: Well all of them are huguanah Iragoon. Yeah, every single

2069
02:30:29,079 --> 02:30:31,159
prime minister and they were also what.

2070
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:36,520
Speaker 2: I mean, organized crime and intelligence go like handing glove right.

2071
02:30:38,360 --> 02:30:42,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely with Angleton as well. There's some little interesting

2072
02:30:42,079 --> 02:30:43,360
anecdotes about Angleton I.

2073
02:30:43,319 --> 02:30:45,600
Speaker 2: Try and tell people like the Masad existed before, long

2074
02:30:45,639 --> 02:30:46,600
before the state of Israel.

2075
02:30:48,520 --> 02:30:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, reference the previous uh,

2076
02:30:52,280 --> 02:30:59,120
previous streams on forrestall and you know, just the the

2077
02:30:59,319 --> 02:31:04,239
prevalence like Angleton. Engleton's deathbed said, you know, he said,

2078
02:31:04,239 --> 02:31:06,120
I'm going to burn in hell for all eternity for

2079
02:31:06,200 --> 02:31:10,159
what I'm what I've done in my life. And uh,

2080
02:31:10,239 --> 02:31:12,520
there's some very there's some I mean, he had some

2081
02:31:12,559 --> 02:31:16,520
realizations well, you know, and it's interesting reading the David

2082
02:31:16,559 --> 02:31:19,959
Talbot book on him, because you know, the reason Doulas

2083
02:31:20,040 --> 02:31:23,920
didn't suspect Angleton is because they were very close. Uh,

2084
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:26,440
you know, there was a huge amount of trust that

2085
02:31:26,719 --> 02:31:30,879
Dulls put in Angleton. And I'd have to pull up

2086
02:31:30,879 --> 02:31:31,799
the source here, but.

2087
02:31:32,799 --> 02:31:35,079
Speaker 2: It's it's the same thing that always gets them. Why

2088
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:37,719
would a Princeton guy like, why would a man of

2089
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:41,239
my class? Possibly? This is how, this is how everybody

2090
02:31:41,239 --> 02:31:47,399
missed Kim Philby. All right, there's no there's no there's

2091
02:31:47,399 --> 02:31:52,120
no daylight between Champagne socialists and communists and all these

2092
02:31:52,120 --> 02:31:56,239
little posh boys. Their life kind of lacks a certain

2093
02:31:56,280 --> 02:32:00,799
type of excitement and being a double agents pretty exciting,

2094
02:32:02,799 --> 02:32:07,000
you know they. I believe Dulles missed Angleton for the

2095
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:09,959
same reason that everyone missed, and I six missed Kim

2096
02:32:09,959 --> 02:32:14,040
Philby right because for him to throw in with the

2097
02:32:14,079 --> 02:32:17,639
Communists would be so unimaginable, because glaring in the face

2098
02:32:18,159 --> 02:32:24,319
long before national betrayal would be class betrayal. So I

2099
02:32:24,360 --> 02:32:30,239
no one saw FDR. All of the people that were

2100
02:32:30,280 --> 02:32:33,840
aligned to try and oust the recently elected FDR, A

2101
02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:39,079
lot of them had the last name Roosevelt. Nobody ever

2102
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:40,360
sees class betrayal coming.

2103
02:32:42,440 --> 02:32:45,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, not all of them betrayed either, Like Kermit, Roosevelt

2104
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:51,440
was involved in the most standard oil the Iranian action, one.

2105
02:32:51,399 --> 02:32:55,639
Speaker 2: Hundred percent, Like dude, a majority of Roosevelt's entire family

2106
02:32:56,200 --> 02:33:03,600
was like part of the campaign to oust FDR. Like

2107
02:33:03,719 --> 02:33:05,760
the level of betrayal, they were the most they were

2108
02:33:05,799 --> 02:33:10,639
the most vehement, like the most venomous anti Roosevelt people

2109
02:33:11,239 --> 02:33:14,879
were members of the Roosevelt family. Because of that betrayal,

2110
02:33:15,719 --> 02:33:18,639
it caught them so like they couldn't they couldn't imagine it.

2111
02:33:20,559 --> 02:33:25,319
And I imagine that this is why why Dulles couldn't

2112
02:33:25,319 --> 02:33:30,239
imagine class betrayal. Let's put this way, Like what you said,

2113
02:33:30,879 --> 02:33:33,840
it may sound really corny, but the quote that filoed

2114
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:36,799
just that read out earlier about what these men were

2115
02:33:36,840 --> 02:33:40,799
actually like, what their values were like, right, what their

2116
02:33:40,799 --> 02:33:45,719
religious faiths were like, and the type of priority in

2117
02:33:45,799 --> 02:33:51,799
prominence these men put into matters of faith. It leaves

2118
02:33:51,840 --> 02:33:54,840
them open for this type of thing because it is

2119
02:33:54,879 --> 02:33:59,280
physically impossible for a man like Alan Dulles with the

2120
02:33:59,360 --> 02:34:04,159
values and beliefs that he has. It's his whole paradigm, right.

2121
02:34:05,399 --> 02:34:07,680
It's not like, oh, these are my values and they're

2122
02:34:07,719 --> 02:34:10,520
like this line item list right, these are my bullet

2123
02:34:10,520 --> 02:34:13,120
points right here. These are all the things. That's not

2124
02:34:13,159 --> 02:34:16,120
how it works, right. All of these things are part

2125
02:34:16,159 --> 02:34:19,600
of his paradigm. Right, they physically represent the way that

2126
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:24,440
like they physically are not represent They are the lens

2127
02:34:24,440 --> 02:34:27,879
in which he views reality. He lives through those, He

2128
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:31,840
analyzes all information through those, He experiences life through those.

2129
02:34:31,959 --> 02:34:34,079
He understands the options that are available to him at

2130
02:34:34,079 --> 02:34:39,399
any given time through those, which is why the class

2131
02:34:39,440 --> 02:34:43,479
traders always get through always.

2132
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:52,040
Speaker 3: There's a very interesting uh. There's two very interesting elements

2133
02:34:52,079 --> 02:34:55,239
to Angleton. The first was that when he was in

2134
02:34:55,319 --> 02:34:59,920
school at Yale, he founded a very modern evant gard

2135
02:35:00,120 --> 02:35:04,239
literary magazine and was very into modernist poetry, which later

2136
02:35:04,280 --> 02:35:07,559
became The Beats and Everything else, and they got a

2137
02:35:07,559 --> 02:35:12,200
lot of CIA funding from that. So Angleton there's a

2138
02:35:12,280 --> 02:35:15,559
very interesting thing, which is that he was exceptionally interested

2139
02:35:15,559 --> 02:35:21,280
in the metaphysics of assassination, and people that worked with

2140
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:25,680
Angleton said one did not always have to agree with

2141
02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:27,799
him to know that he possessed a unique grasp of

2142
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:31,760
secret operations. As a friend remark, he had the ability

2143
02:35:31,799 --> 02:35:35,319
to raise an operational discussion not only to a higher level,

2144
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:39,399
but to another dimension. It is easy to mock this,

2145
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:41,920
but there's no one within the agency with whom I

2146
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:45,239
would rather have discussed a complex operational problem than Angleton.

2147
02:35:46,159 --> 02:35:51,600
Angleton's activities ranged from opening the mail of US citizens

2148
02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:55,879
to wiretapping the bedrooms of CIA officials. It was his

2149
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:59,040
job to be suspicious of everybody, and he was keeping

2150
02:35:59,079 --> 02:36:01,319
a treasure trove of set files and photos in the

2151
02:36:01,360 --> 02:36:04,479
locked fault in his office. Every morning at CIA, he

2152
02:36:04,520 --> 02:36:07,399
would personally report to Dulles on the results of his

2153
02:36:07,559 --> 02:36:12,559
quote fishing expeditions, as they call this electronic eavesdropping missions,

2154
02:36:13,239 --> 02:36:15,840
which picked up everything from gossip on the Georgetown Party

2155
02:36:15,879 --> 02:36:21,440
circuit to Washington Billodstock As Dulas was well rare. Angleton

2156
02:36:21,479 --> 02:36:23,799
had even tucked a tow explicive secrets about the CIA

2157
02:36:23,879 --> 02:36:27,239
director himself. That is why Dullas had rewarded him with

2158
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:30,000
the most Well, I disagree with this. That's not why

2159
02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:32,520
Dallas rewarded him with the most sensitive job. It's not

2160
02:36:32,559 --> 02:36:36,959
like blackmail. It's because he had like really full trust

2161
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:42,959
of Dulles. He also like a lot of Angleton's coworkers.

2162
02:36:44,520 --> 02:36:49,760
They were all Ivy League graduates. Engleton was a huge

2163
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:52,559
fan of Britain and had attended the upper crust British

2164
02:36:52,559 --> 02:36:57,520
boarding school Malvern, and he worked a lot with British

2165
02:36:57,559 --> 02:37:02,120
secret intelligence. And what else was there?

2166
02:37:04,959 --> 02:37:06,920
Speaker 2: Also why he didn't see Kim Philby coming?

2167
02:37:08,120 --> 02:37:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Philby is a little interesting. Let's see what

2168
02:37:14,719 --> 02:37:20,159
can I find about Philby? M zoom in here. So

2169
02:37:23,319 --> 02:37:24,639
they're like families just.

2170
02:37:24,719 --> 02:37:28,319
Speaker 2: For the listener, these people sound irrelevant, But these people

2171
02:37:28,360 --> 02:37:34,920
have far more to do with the with history being

2172
02:37:35,000 --> 02:37:40,639
created than really anybody in any elected or visible position

2173
02:37:40,719 --> 02:37:44,520
of power in either of these governments or any of them. Frankly,

2174
02:37:45,879 --> 02:37:51,040
Alan Dulles shaped world events, historical events far more than

2175
02:37:51,079 --> 02:37:55,239
anyone in Congress, far more than any individual army officer.

2176
02:37:55,440 --> 02:37:59,600
General doesn't fucking matter. Any president doesn't matter. Like these

2177
02:37:59,600 --> 02:38:01,600
are the men and actually create history. This is why

2178
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:03,440
it's important to know them.

2179
02:38:04,079 --> 02:38:08,879
Speaker 3: And it's even more interesting because generally most people are

2180
02:38:08,920 --> 02:38:12,639
aware of the fact that Eisenhower is not personally going

2181
02:38:12,680 --> 02:38:15,840
around approving all these foreign government interventions. I mean, it's

2182
02:38:16,600 --> 02:38:21,680
pretty standard knowledge nowadays that Dulls and the Agency were

2183
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:24,600
wholly responsible for all of this. But there's this weird

2184
02:38:25,479 --> 02:38:28,719
cognitive dissonance over the fact that something similar could be

2185
02:38:28,719 --> 02:38:30,639
happening today that the people.

2186
02:38:31,079 --> 02:38:37,360
Speaker 2: How Eisenhower was the compromise between military intelligence and civilian

2187
02:38:37,360 --> 02:38:40,200
intelligence because who was at the height of their power

2188
02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:45,840
after World War Two? The military they frankly run American society,

2189
02:38:46,319 --> 02:38:51,600
They run the American political apparatus, right, it was, he

2190
02:38:51,719 --> 02:38:54,120
was the compromise between the two.

2191
02:38:53,959 --> 02:38:58,719
Speaker 3: Factions, exactly, And the CIA took a lot of ground

2192
02:38:58,760 --> 02:39:02,559
from the military element because of the Korean War. And

2193
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:05,479
you know, initially off the bat, the UH that the

2194
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:08,200
military intelligence component of it really dropped the ball on

2195
02:39:08,280 --> 02:39:11,600
it because the Koreans had been building up their forces

2196
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:14,920
for months before the invasion. But UH, back to like

2197
02:39:14,959 --> 02:39:20,760
Philby and Angleton. Yeah, Philby and Engleton were both British schoolboys,

2198
02:39:20,879 --> 02:39:23,399
you know they were. They grew up together and their

2199
02:39:23,399 --> 02:39:27,159
families hang out and uh would do dinner parties all

2200
02:39:27,159 --> 02:39:33,680
the time. And one thing that was Richard Helms was

2201
02:39:33,719 --> 02:39:36,280
like a party to both of these people. And he commented, Uh,

2202
02:39:36,799 --> 02:39:39,639
I have no doubt that the exposure of Kim Philby

2203
02:39:39,719 --> 02:39:43,200
was lodged in the deepest recesses of Jim's being if

2204
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:45,760
he were the sort of Oh that's the separate part.

2205
02:39:46,200 --> 02:39:49,200
Angleton told a friend in British intelligence after the betrayal, quote,

2206
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:57,000
I would kill Philby. The betrayal was painfully intimate. Let's see,

2207
02:39:57,440 --> 02:40:01,479
you know, there's a separate point. William Colby, who was

2208
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:05,399
the guy who finally terminated Angleton's tenure in nineteen seventy five.

2209
02:40:05,479 --> 02:40:10,040
So Angleton's like active for a very long time. The

2210
02:40:10,079 --> 02:40:13,239
guy who terminated him said quote, I couldn't find that

2211
02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:18,680
we ever caught a spy under Jim. So Angleton, you know,

2212
02:40:18,840 --> 02:40:21,959
was the mole hunter for decades within the CIA, and

2213
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:27,520
he never caught a spy. Crazy crazy, He operated quote

2214
02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:30,760
a virtual CIA within the CIA, reporting and only to

2215
02:40:30,840 --> 02:40:42,680
Doulis himself. Let's see, big alcoholic Angleton was very much

2216
02:40:42,719 --> 02:40:53,680
into art and what are their stuff? Was there he said?

2217
02:40:55,159 --> 02:40:57,440
He said as part of his testimony before the Church

2218
02:40:57,440 --> 02:41:01,079
Committee in the nineteen seventies, quote, it is inconceivable that

2219
02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:03,520
his secret intelligence arm of the government has to comply

2220
02:41:03,959 --> 02:41:09,159
with all the overt orders of the government. CIA overseers

2221
02:41:09,159 --> 02:41:12,959
were a priestly cast that must be allowed to operate

2222
02:41:13,079 --> 02:41:17,159
unfettered and above the law. What other stuff was there?

2223
02:41:17,840 --> 02:41:19,559
I don't want to like tread on ground from the

2224
02:41:19,600 --> 02:41:23,879
previous stream, but he worked on pursuing a CIA partnership

2225
02:41:23,879 --> 02:41:28,559
with the mafia with Cold War countries France, West Germany, Turkey,

2226
02:41:28,600 --> 02:41:35,079
Taiwan and Israel. He had a special bond with the Israelis.

2227
02:41:38,319 --> 02:41:39,920
Speaker 2: And that's probably where you want to go next. But

2228
02:41:40,280 --> 02:41:42,479
because next comes with the Kennedy assassination.

2229
02:41:44,079 --> 02:41:47,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's see, i'd have to I'd have to

2230
02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:51,520
pull up I I listened to the astral stream. I

2231
02:41:51,559 --> 02:41:54,760
didn't do too much research into Yeah, that's right.

2232
02:41:55,559 --> 02:41:58,600
Speaker 2: Corey Hughes is an animal. He is probably the best

2233
02:41:59,559 --> 02:42:01,360
on this. Austin is really really good. But I don't

2234
02:42:01,360 --> 02:42:04,719
think anybod who's able to put it together as linearly

2235
02:42:04,760 --> 02:42:06,120
as Corey has.

2236
02:42:06,840 --> 02:42:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll have to. I'll have to go through it

2237
02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:15,840
because I didn't. I didn't quite understand the the references

2238
02:42:15,879 --> 02:42:18,440
in there to mk Ultra and Oswald, Like I can

2239
02:42:18,559 --> 02:42:21,040
understand the idea, like it fits very well into the

2240
02:42:21,079 --> 02:42:23,959
picture that you know Oswalt is not only a Patsy,

2241
02:42:24,040 --> 02:42:26,399
but perhaps could be a series.

2242
02:42:26,079 --> 02:42:28,920
Speaker 2: Of different for something else. Right, he doesn't have to

2243
02:42:28,920 --> 02:42:32,319
be involved to be a Patsy, bro, Yeah, No, I

2244
02:42:32,319 --> 02:42:36,079
mean I think Oswald belonged was being groomed for something

2245
02:42:36,079 --> 02:42:39,719
else by another intelligence agency, probably the Pentagon related.

2246
02:42:40,239 --> 02:42:42,719
Speaker 3: Well, the framing is that he would he would infiltrate

2247
02:42:42,719 --> 02:42:46,440
the Silviet Union. That was to be his assignment to

2248
02:42:46,479 --> 02:42:50,120
get closer within those communist circles. You know, they kind

2249
02:42:50,120 --> 02:42:51,879
of made, as I understand it from the stream, they

2250
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:54,760
made up afterwards that he was a Communist and like

2251
02:42:54,799 --> 02:42:57,559
that's all bullshit, And almost everything about his life and

2252
02:42:57,600 --> 02:43:00,000
his biography is in tribe.

2253
02:43:01,399 --> 02:43:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's multiple ones, but it's basically some of

2254
02:43:04,159 --> 02:43:07,159
a project that got started very very very young. So

2255
02:43:07,159 --> 02:43:10,239
they were creating fake Oswald's when he was in still

2256
02:43:10,239 --> 02:43:14,200
finishing grade school for elementary school or sorry, a high school,

2257
02:43:14,200 --> 02:43:14,879
I can't remember which.

2258
02:43:15,559 --> 02:43:18,239
Speaker 3: And then his mother worked for like the Navy intelligence

2259
02:43:18,360 --> 02:43:19,000
or something.

2260
02:43:18,920 --> 02:43:21,479
Speaker 2: Yes, Naval intelligence. A lot of the people associated and

2261
02:43:21,559 --> 02:43:24,120
adjacent like so if I want to if I am

2262
02:43:24,159 --> 02:43:27,120
in a rivalry, right, and I want to, because the

2263
02:43:27,159 --> 02:43:36,000
DD did not want Zionism.

2264
02:43:32,440 --> 02:43:34,680
Speaker 3: No, and how could you blame him? I mean, Zionism

2265
02:43:34,719 --> 02:43:35,840
whacked the first.

2266
02:43:35,559 --> 02:43:42,040
Speaker 2: Sectath yep, exactly. So if you're going to again, Oswald's

2267
02:43:42,079 --> 02:43:44,959
purpose has nothing. Oswald has no knowledge. You can literally

2268
02:43:44,959 --> 02:43:48,440
watch in the video of when basically somebody asked him

2269
02:43:48,440 --> 02:43:51,120
about like literally when he's being carried away, you can

2270
02:43:51,159 --> 02:43:54,840
see it dawn on his face that he got set up. Right,

2271
02:43:54,920 --> 02:44:00,200
somebody knew who Oswald was and picked him as the patsy.

2272
02:44:00,399 --> 02:44:04,879
He doesn't have to know he's the patsy, right, So

2273
02:44:04,920 --> 02:44:07,040
if I'm going to burn somebody, why would I burn

2274
02:44:07,079 --> 02:44:10,360
one of my guys and I can burn one of yours.

2275
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:17,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I'm trying to just find a good section

2276
02:44:17,760 --> 02:44:18,079
on it.

2277
02:44:20,040 --> 02:44:23,920
Speaker 2: Remember I'm hanging the and this way, if anybody looks

2278
02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:26,959
into him, they're gonna bump into your shit, not mine.

2279
02:44:34,799 --> 02:44:41,760
Speaker 3: Uh. The So I'm looking through the Talbot book for

2280
02:44:41,840 --> 02:44:48,280
the GfK assassination stuff. Problem is is that there's just

2281
02:44:48,319 --> 02:44:51,040
so much material on it that it's hard to like

2282
02:44:52,639 --> 02:44:53,680
find good quotes.

2283
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:58,000
Speaker 2: We don't have to go into the assassination, but we

2284
02:44:58,040 --> 02:45:02,520
should go into how do us exit the CIA, why

2285
02:45:03,000 --> 02:45:06,840
who exited him? And what was immediately done after he exited?

2286
02:45:07,280 --> 02:45:09,600
And what did Alan Dulles do once he figured out

2287
02:45:09,639 --> 02:45:10,360
what had happened.

2288
02:45:12,719 --> 02:45:17,280
Speaker 3: Uh sure, yeah, you'd I think you'll probably have to

2289
02:45:17,280 --> 02:45:19,000
take over the lead for it because most of the

2290
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:22,520
rest of my research is on the coups in Congo

2291
02:45:22,879 --> 02:45:28,079
and Iran and in Guatemalas. So I kind of left

2292
02:45:28,200 --> 02:45:31,639
the Kennedy assassination stuff. So if you want to cover it.

2293
02:45:32,479 --> 02:45:39,000
Speaker 2: Well we've thoroughly uh So. In in James Jesus Angleton's

2294
02:45:39,000 --> 02:45:48,600
tenure right of not catching spies, he did, however, have

2295
02:45:48,719 --> 02:45:54,479
a interesting relationship which apparently no one bothered to look into,

2296
02:45:55,520 --> 02:46:01,520
with a florist that he would stop in every day

2297
02:46:01,879 --> 02:46:05,639
on his way home and talk to for two to

2298
02:46:05,719 --> 02:46:09,840
three hours. The FBI knew this, but in some of

2299
02:46:09,879 --> 02:46:15,959
the recent documents that have been declassified and released will

2300
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:22,680
be James Jesus Engleton going to the FBI saying, at

2301
02:46:22,680 --> 02:46:27,479
the direct request of the Director Dulles, anything that has

2302
02:46:27,520 --> 02:46:32,920
to do with Israeli intelligence or Israel whatsoever needs to

2303
02:46:32,959 --> 02:46:38,319
come directly to me and only to me. Nobody else

2304
02:46:38,399 --> 02:46:41,159
in the CIA. Bring all of the Israel shit to me.

2305
02:46:42,959 --> 02:46:46,559
And this is exactly what Alan Dulles wants, I promise.

2306
02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:51,920
At the same time as the FBI is noting that

2307
02:46:52,280 --> 02:46:57,799
the CIA, fucking guy, he doesn't have many fucking flowers,

2308
02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:05,879
doesn't have a garden. But day in day out he

2309
02:47:06,040 --> 02:47:11,120
stops by the florist on the way home and chats

2310
02:47:11,319 --> 02:47:22,239
for two hours, sometimes three, usually more than one. And

2311
02:47:22,520 --> 02:47:25,079
we never find out who owns that florist, not that

2312
02:47:25,120 --> 02:47:26,959
it would matter, not that it would be a real person,

2313
02:47:27,559 --> 02:47:30,959
not that it would lead anywhere, all right, So we'll

2314
02:47:31,040 --> 02:47:34,159
never know who was in that florist that he was

2315
02:47:34,200 --> 02:47:39,920
talking to, all right. But what was what was James

2316
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:43,440
Jesus Angleton's relationship with the State of Israel Philo.

2317
02:47:45,280 --> 02:47:47,559
Speaker 3: Well as we as we covered in the first dream,

2318
02:47:47,559 --> 02:47:53,479
he was extremely connected with the Defense Secretary as well

2319
02:47:53,520 --> 02:47:58,479
as the the head of the shin Bet within Israel

2320
02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:00,680
I mean, and he was that's where he is.

2321
02:48:00,680 --> 02:48:02,440
Speaker 2: The shin Bet the shin.

2322
02:48:02,280 --> 02:48:06,079
Speaker 3: Bet is Israel's domestic intelligence service, and they are.

2323
02:48:06,239 --> 02:48:11,920
Speaker 2: Both foreign domestic intelligence. That's right, yes, Okay, So basically

2324
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:17,760
the guy is a fucking and an asset of the

2325
02:48:18,319 --> 02:48:24,639
Israeli intelligence agencies. All right, So I don't know what

2326
02:48:24,680 --> 02:48:28,040
it is that James Jesus Angleton thinks he's rotting in

2327
02:48:28,280 --> 02:48:33,079
hell for. But again keep in mind that James Jesus

2328
02:48:33,120 --> 02:48:39,319
Angleton does not need to know the intentions of the

2329
02:48:39,360 --> 02:48:46,239
Israeli state to be helpful to the Israeli state, just

2330
02:48:46,440 --> 02:48:51,840
like Oswald, who put it together literally as the journalist

2331
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:54,479
is like, when did you decide to kill Kennedy? And

2332
02:48:54,520 --> 02:49:00,200
you just see the fucking look on this guy's face, like, oh, motherfucker,

2333
02:49:00,600 --> 02:49:04,760
I'm being set up. I know what this is. He

2334
02:49:04,840 --> 02:49:08,040
was clueless. He had no idea what those reporters wanted.

2335
02:49:08,239 --> 02:49:14,040
He had no idea about anything, all right. James Jesus

2336
02:49:14,079 --> 02:49:19,799
Angleton didn't need to know that he was helping a

2337
02:49:19,840 --> 02:49:26,079
foreign government kill his president. All he needed to know

2338
02:49:26,520 --> 02:49:30,440
was that he's helping a foreign government. Probably thought he

2339
02:49:30,520 --> 02:49:36,799
was helping a foreign government for whatever reasons they told him,

2340
02:49:36,920 --> 02:49:41,680
But basically so just because he is involved in the

2341
02:49:41,760 --> 02:49:45,280
Kennedy assassination does not mean he knew what was happening.

2342
02:49:48,079 --> 02:49:52,520
He did know what happened afterwards. But then are you

2343
02:49:52,559 --> 02:49:57,840
going to run and say anything, No, because you're basically

2344
02:49:57,920 --> 02:50:01,479
sworn to secrecy, whether you like it or not. Because

2345
02:50:01,559 --> 02:50:04,760
to not be sworn to secrecy is to effectively indict

2346
02:50:04,799 --> 02:50:08,399
yourself for treason, and you would be and especially right

2347
02:50:08,440 --> 02:50:10,959
after the president got killed, Your ass would be shot.

2348
02:50:12,040 --> 02:50:13,719
You wouldn't have a trial, you wouldn't have anything. You

2349
02:50:13,719 --> 02:50:19,719
would have an accident or a suicide or something like that. Right,

2350
02:50:20,200 --> 02:50:24,120
most cases of treason don't involve a trial or a

2351
02:50:24,159 --> 02:50:28,719
tribunal or anything like that. When it comes to intelligent stuff,

2352
02:50:29,200 --> 02:50:36,440
that person just dies, however mysteriously or unmysteriously it happens.

2353
02:50:38,479 --> 02:50:40,200
And that's what would have happened to Angleton if you

2354
02:50:40,200 --> 02:50:42,920
were to have said, like, oh shit, I think that

2355
02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:46,879
I shouldn't have. I was giving these people information thinking

2356
02:50:46,879 --> 02:50:49,479
it was for this, but turns out it's actually for this,

2357
02:50:49,559 --> 02:50:52,600
and I think I did a bad thing. That's never

2358
02:50:52,639 --> 02:50:54,840
gonna happen. He's going to have to live with that

2359
02:50:54,879 --> 02:50:58,239
every day till day dies, which it sounds like he did.

2360
02:50:59,159 --> 02:51:03,760
Unfortunately for us, he didn't die sooner. But what did

2361
02:51:05,680 --> 02:51:08,440
what did Allan Dulles do? Because he was pushed out

2362
02:51:08,479 --> 02:51:19,440
of the CIA? All right, and like like Filo said,

2363
02:51:20,120 --> 02:51:23,239
the man was running an intelligence agency inside the Central

2364
02:51:23,280 --> 02:51:28,520
Intelligence Agency, mister mister Engleton, very busy guy. And according

2365
02:51:28,520 --> 02:51:33,200
to two of the sources that he referenced, he had

2366
02:51:34,040 --> 02:51:37,319
material on Alan Dullas himself the head of the CIA.

2367
02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:44,479
So between running an office inside an office and having

2368
02:51:44,559 --> 02:51:49,360
material on the current head of the Central Intelligence Agency,

2369
02:51:49,840 --> 02:51:52,239
if there's anybody that could have pushed Alan Dulles out

2370
02:51:52,280 --> 02:51:54,559
of the agency he created, because there's no way in

2371
02:51:54,680 --> 02:51:59,520
fucking hell that he would have decided to leave without

2372
02:51:59,520 --> 02:52:04,040
being pushed out. So who pushed him out? I don't know.

2373
02:52:04,079 --> 02:52:05,719
Maybe the guy with the secret folder full of shit

2374
02:52:05,760 --> 02:52:10,200
on him probably a good place to look. So what

2375
02:52:10,239 --> 02:52:14,680
did Allendells do after he got pushed out? During the

2376
02:52:14,840 --> 02:52:16,840
Everyone's like, oh well he Allen Dolls was on the

2377
02:52:16,879 --> 02:52:21,040
Warren Commission. No shit, right, no shit, he was on

2378
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:25,200
the Warren Commission. That doesn't make him complicit. And you

2379
02:52:25,239 --> 02:52:27,600
can be on the Warren Commission because the nation knows

2380
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:31,280
that you're the intelligence guy. So if someone's going to

2381
02:52:31,360 --> 02:52:35,200
make something believable, right, or actually because the Warren Commission

2382
02:52:35,239 --> 02:52:37,120
what's his name? Two members of the Warren Commission came

2383
02:52:37,120 --> 02:52:40,959
out and said that their investigation was deliberately derailed. And

2384
02:52:41,079 --> 02:52:46,000
there's parts of the Warren Commission that's still classified. Right,

2385
02:52:46,040 --> 02:52:48,600
So these guys just because somebody's on the Warren Commission.

2386
02:52:48,639 --> 02:52:52,399
This is the thing about people need to be way

2387
02:52:52,479 --> 02:52:55,200
when you look at stuff like this, anything intelligence related,

2388
02:52:55,680 --> 02:53:01,360
anything like this, you have to be way more right.

2389
02:53:03,680 --> 02:53:05,799
You have to basically take everything that you see and

2390
02:53:05,840 --> 02:53:08,159
then you look at it from every single angle. Is

2391
02:53:08,159 --> 02:53:10,559
it possible to be on the Warrant Commission and not

2392
02:53:10,559 --> 02:53:15,799
be involved in the Kennedy assassination? Yes? It is. What

2393
02:53:15,879 --> 02:53:22,399
was Alan Dllis doing well? I believe in the book

2394
02:53:22,879 --> 02:53:27,639
what was that book that you mentioned, Devil's Chessboard? I

2395
02:53:27,680 --> 02:53:31,399
believe they document Alan Dallis after being pushed out and

2396
02:53:31,479 --> 02:53:37,000
immediately after the Kennedy assassination, basically recreating a mini CIA

2397
02:53:37,120 --> 02:53:39,559
in his living room full of only people that he trusted,

2398
02:53:40,680 --> 02:53:44,200
imagining after just getting pushed out of the Central Intelligence Agency.

2399
02:53:44,200 --> 02:53:46,840
That was a very small list of people. But what

2400
02:53:46,840 --> 02:53:51,120
were they investigating in Alan Dullis's living room? Each day

2401
02:53:53,159 --> 02:53:58,159
all day, probably piecing together what the fuck just happened,

2402
02:54:00,040 --> 02:54:03,280
Because if you just got pushed out of the CIA,

2403
02:54:03,559 --> 02:54:06,760
and you know enough to know enough that some CIA

2404
02:54:06,840 --> 02:54:10,360
people were involved in this, or at least adjacent to it,

2405
02:54:11,959 --> 02:54:13,799
you would probably try and get to the bottom of that,

2406
02:54:15,280 --> 02:54:20,680
at least if no other reason then to make up

2407
02:54:20,680 --> 02:54:23,159
for being ignominiously thrown out of the thing you created

2408
02:54:23,239 --> 02:54:28,479
and shamed. But probably for other reasons. I mean literally,

2409
02:54:28,479 --> 02:54:38,559
I mean John Foster was a part time Protestant theologian

2410
02:54:40,040 --> 02:54:44,159
and Ellen, John Foster's son is a very prominent Catholic

2411
02:54:44,280 --> 02:54:48,680
was a very prominent Catholic bishop and imminent theologian. Like

2412
02:54:48,799 --> 02:54:53,319
these men took their religious stuff very seriously. So if

2413
02:54:53,319 --> 02:54:55,639
somebody just kills the president, you know you're gonna try

2414
02:54:55,639 --> 02:54:57,479
and get to the bottom of it, Like you're not

2415
02:54:57,520 --> 02:55:01,799
a fucking heathen, you know, it would be a it

2416
02:55:01,799 --> 02:55:04,079
would be a call to action for a man like

2417
02:55:04,159 --> 02:55:10,799
Alan Dallas. So why didn't anything happen with that, Like,

2418
02:55:10,840 --> 02:55:14,159
why did Alan Dellas just just stop? Well at that

2419
02:55:14,239 --> 02:55:18,479
point in time, the uh, the man who was having

2420
02:55:18,479 --> 02:55:28,280
an affair with the Israeli Burgoon terrorists, right and member

2421
02:55:28,280 --> 02:55:34,040
of the stern Gang. I can't remember her name right,

2422
02:55:34,200 --> 02:55:36,479
But that guy is now in the fucking White House.

2423
02:55:37,760 --> 02:55:44,040
He's the president. The Israeli asset now very very very guilty,

2424
02:55:44,399 --> 02:55:48,319
feeling very very very very nervous, probably very very very

2425
02:55:48,360 --> 02:55:54,399
very twitchy. James Jesus Angleton, the guy that pushed you

2426
02:55:54,399 --> 02:56:04,040
out is now running the CIA. So if the president

2427
02:56:05,600 --> 02:56:08,520
is nearest, makes no difference in on it, and the

2428
02:56:08,520 --> 02:56:10,959
guy that's run CIA now is nearest, makes no difference

2429
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:14,719
in on it. And you're just an old man without

2430
02:56:14,719 --> 02:56:19,280
a job, you know, playing CIA in your living room.

2431
02:56:19,280 --> 02:56:21,520
It doesn't matter what you find, because someone's going to

2432
02:56:21,559 --> 02:56:23,120
come up to you and have a conversation with you

2433
02:56:23,200 --> 02:56:25,440
that says, hey, like you need to just go be

2434
02:56:25,479 --> 02:56:30,559
an old man now or you're going to die. And

2435
02:56:30,600 --> 02:56:34,159
that's what he did, and he died shortly after anyways,

2436
02:56:36,840 --> 02:56:42,879
So I really think it's uh. I really think the

2437
02:56:42,920 --> 02:56:48,319
whole CIA killed or was involved in any capacity officially

2438
02:56:48,360 --> 02:56:50,159
as in like officially, as in like the organs of

2439
02:56:50,200 --> 02:56:54,559
the CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination needs to

2440
02:56:54,559 --> 02:56:57,719
be put to bed. Alan Dulles being an evil man

2441
02:56:58,920 --> 02:57:02,280
and involved in some way in the Kennedy assassination needs

2442
02:57:02,280 --> 02:57:06,600
to be put to bed. Right the reason, I don't

2443
02:57:06,600 --> 02:57:08,440
know if we talked on the first episode about the

2444
02:57:08,840 --> 02:57:11,680
Kennedy and Dulles beef, Pilo.

2445
02:57:15,520 --> 02:57:18,159
Speaker 3: Kennedy and Dullest beef. Yeah, I mean Dullas hated Kennedy.

2446
02:57:18,920 --> 02:57:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kennedy hated Dulles. But why I had nothing to

2447
02:57:23,280 --> 02:57:26,479
do with the Vietnam War. Right, Everything that we have

2448
02:57:26,600 --> 02:57:31,280
from Kennedy, both internal White House transcripts, right, recorded phone

2449
02:57:31,280 --> 02:57:36,559
calls and official statements of Kennedy's that are now declassified,

2450
02:57:37,239 --> 02:57:39,959
he was ramping up Vietnam. Kennedy never wanted to pull

2451
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:44,040
out a fucking Vietnam. That's a made up that's that's

2452
02:57:45,200 --> 02:57:50,319
that's made up. Because you would need a reason for

2453
02:57:50,520 --> 02:57:53,719
the beef, right, you need to point the finger somewhere else.

2454
02:57:56,719 --> 02:57:57,719
Speaker 3: Dull Kennedy.

2455
02:57:58,440 --> 02:58:02,200
Speaker 2: Kennedy, uh huh. Let me tell you exactly what he

2456
02:58:02,200 --> 02:58:06,719
was naive about. The one thing that after the Cuban

2457
02:58:06,719 --> 02:58:12,399
missile crisis nuclear this is actually where why he Kennedy

2458
02:58:12,520 --> 02:58:18,440
was as committed. Besides the fact that, besides the fact

2459
02:58:19,159 --> 02:58:22,639
that his father, Joe Kennedy, had a run in with

2460
02:58:23,079 --> 02:58:27,799
the Focus Group in the UK prior to the outbreak

2461
02:58:27,799 --> 02:58:31,959
of World War two all right, and was roundly squashed

2462
02:58:32,079 --> 02:58:36,760
and thrown out of his ambassadorial position by FDR because

2463
02:58:38,079 --> 02:58:40,639
Joe Kennedy was screaming like, hey, why aren't the British

2464
02:58:40,719 --> 02:58:43,239
doing peace? Why are they taking his offer? Like we're

2465
02:58:43,280 --> 02:58:44,959
going to start another world war, We're going to do

2466
02:58:45,000 --> 02:58:49,440
it all over again, And the focus group was like, yeah, guy,

2467
02:58:49,520 --> 02:58:54,719
that's the fucking point. And turns out Joe Kennedy found

2468
02:58:54,760 --> 02:58:57,639
out that FDR was already in on it. They're about it.

2469
02:58:59,200 --> 02:59:07,399
So Joe Kennedy, like in his last years, had a

2470
02:59:07,440 --> 02:59:14,559
tremendous amount of resentment towards, particularly desion his outfit in

2471
02:59:14,600 --> 02:59:20,280
the United Kingdom. Right, the focus group that basically, I

2472
02:59:20,280 --> 02:59:23,799
mean he would actually send letters back and communications back

2473
02:59:23,879 --> 02:59:25,360
saying that they were trying to that he thinks that

2474
02:59:25,399 --> 02:59:30,040
they were trying to poison him. At one time, he

2475
02:59:30,079 --> 02:59:36,040
actually gets deathly ill and almost dies. Right he comes

2476
02:59:36,079 --> 02:59:38,959
home to America shortly after he legitimately thought they were

2477
02:59:38,959 --> 02:59:42,120
trying to kill him. Because Joe Kennedy was not on

2478
02:59:42,200 --> 02:59:45,520
team let's go World War two. He was on team

2479
02:59:45,600 --> 02:59:52,639
let's not do World War two. So Jack Kennedy had

2480
02:59:52,760 --> 02:59:57,120
no real love for the Zionist cause to begin with,

2481
02:59:57,239 --> 03:00:03,959
but he's rather indifferent about it until the nuke stuff happened.

2482
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:13,479
Like I mean, Jack and Robert Kennedy like literally took

2483
03:00:13,520 --> 03:00:18,000
their kids to mass on Sunday I at the height

2484
03:00:18,040 --> 03:00:23,319
of the Cuban missile crisis. I made sure every single

2485
03:00:23,319 --> 03:00:29,719
one of their kids got communion. And funny enough, Khrushchev's

2486
03:00:29,959 --> 03:00:33,879
son will tell you that his dad did the exact

2487
03:00:33,879 --> 03:00:38,840
same thing. Because both world leaders were thinking, there's a fucking,

2488
03:00:39,959 --> 03:00:42,680
very very very high probability that we're going to go

2489
03:00:43,079 --> 03:00:44,799
like everything is, we're all going to go to hell

2490
03:00:44,920 --> 03:00:52,159
like now nuclear hell fire tomorrow. And after that pass,

2491
03:00:54,159 --> 03:00:59,399
Jack became very very serious in his nuclear anti proliferation.

2492
03:01:01,079 --> 03:01:05,520
Like you know, as I imagine, taking your kids to

2493
03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:08,239
what you think was going to be their final communion

2494
03:01:08,680 --> 03:01:15,479
will probably be a formative experience in a father's life.

2495
03:01:15,799 --> 03:01:23,200
I don't know. I think so, because Jack Kennedy was

2496
03:01:23,239 --> 03:01:26,920
literally going to the Soviet Union his friend mister Khrushchev

2497
03:01:28,360 --> 03:01:31,719
and saying, like, we need to do total nuclear disarmament.

2498
03:01:31,840 --> 03:01:36,120
Khrushchev at this point in time now getting significant pushback

2499
03:01:37,440 --> 03:01:42,760
from the Soviet defense establishment. Khrushchev was on board, but

2500
03:01:43,639 --> 03:01:48,079
Khrushchef couldn't. Well that's put this like, the Soviet military

2501
03:01:48,120 --> 03:01:50,959
apparatus at this point in time is starting to have

2502
03:01:51,000 --> 03:01:57,559
a lot more power than mister Krushchef, and Khrushchev was

2503
03:01:57,600 --> 03:02:00,479
not able to move the ball down the court. And

2504
03:02:00,840 --> 03:02:05,040
I think you can look in the conversation that what

2505
03:02:05,159 --> 03:02:12,079
you call it the telex stuff, I can't remember. It's

2506
03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:15,159
either like the transcribed phone calls from the recorders in

2507
03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:18,200
the White House or the telex I can't remember which whatever.

2508
03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:23,920
They're going back and forth and Kennedy, Jack Kennedy's like, hey,

2509
03:02:25,000 --> 03:02:29,000
so how about we just start disarming first, and that

2510
03:02:29,120 --> 03:02:32,280
way you'll know that we're serious about it. And that

2511
03:02:32,360 --> 03:02:35,239
way you can go back to the military guys and say, look,

2512
03:02:35,319 --> 03:02:40,000
there's the Americans are serious about it. And Alan Dulles

2513
03:02:42,399 --> 03:02:47,120
and the Joint chiefs of Staff found out about this,

2514
03:02:48,079 --> 03:02:50,239
and they are not naive. They're like, are you out

2515
03:02:50,280 --> 03:02:55,520
of your fucking mind? Like you're you're talking about like

2516
03:02:56,600 --> 03:02:58,760
you're going to try and you know you're going to

2517
03:02:58,799 --> 03:03:04,360
destroy some of our missile in hopes that the Soviets

2518
03:03:04,399 --> 03:03:13,799
do the same. Like I'm sorry, this is where the

2519
03:03:13,799 --> 03:03:19,319
beef came between the two had nothing to do with

2520
03:03:19,319 --> 03:03:21,879
the Bay of Pigs, the whole Bay of Pigs conversation.

2521
03:03:22,040 --> 03:03:27,200
As Corey Hughes documents extensively, the reason the Bay of

2522
03:03:27,319 --> 03:03:31,639
Pigs failed had nothing to do with the CIA, nothing

2523
03:03:31,680 --> 03:03:34,319
to do with John F. Kennedy, had everything to do

2524
03:03:34,399 --> 03:03:38,040
with those arms never fucking making it to Cuba in

2525
03:03:38,040 --> 03:03:42,639
the goddamn first place. Where did they go. The arms

2526
03:03:42,639 --> 03:03:45,319
that were supposed to go to the people in the

2527
03:03:45,319 --> 03:03:48,479
Bay that would be doing the Bay of Pigs never

2528
03:03:48,520 --> 03:03:51,639
made it there because with the help of James Jesus Angleton,

2529
03:03:51,680 --> 03:03:56,799
they were going through an export import business in Virginia

2530
03:03:57,239 --> 03:03:58,760
which I canot remember the name of it, but again

2531
03:03:58,840 --> 03:04:03,920
Corey Hughes documents extensively, and being shipped to Israel. Those

2532
03:04:03,959 --> 03:04:07,680
guns were going to Israel, and unfortunately none of them

2533
03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:11,920
ever made it to Cuba. And that's why the Bay

2534
03:04:11,959 --> 03:04:17,040
of Pigs failed, because every fucking bullet and every gun

2535
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:20,959
ended up in the Levant and not on the shores

2536
03:04:21,000 --> 03:04:25,120
of Cuba, which is where they were really sorely needed.

2537
03:04:28,360 --> 03:04:32,600
So it wasn't the Bay of Pigs either, It was

2538
03:04:32,639 --> 03:04:38,719
the nukes. Kennedy, in his naive, little lefty brain because

2539
03:04:38,719 --> 03:04:41,239
only wrong. If Kennedy didn't get his fucking top blown off,

2540
03:04:42,200 --> 03:04:44,120
every single one of us would have hated him as

2541
03:04:44,200 --> 03:04:48,639
much as we hate FDR. The only reason that we

2542
03:04:48,760 --> 03:04:51,159
have any nice things to say about him is frankly

2543
03:04:51,239 --> 03:04:56,920
because our OP, you know, killed him, and be we,

2544
03:04:57,639 --> 03:04:59,959
at least me, I love America enough to where no

2545
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:02,159
nobody gets to fucking kill the president, no matter how

2546
03:05:02,200 --> 03:05:06,840
fucking left he is, sure as how not some pissant

2547
03:05:06,879 --> 03:05:11,680
state in them at least, but we would have hated

2548
03:05:11,760 --> 03:05:15,040
our JFK like he would have been like, we would

2549
03:05:15,040 --> 03:05:19,399
have looked at him like a disaster. He was a

2550
03:05:19,559 --> 03:05:24,680
naive leftist, like he literally thought that, well, I just

2551
03:05:24,680 --> 03:05:26,680
think I think we could just make nukes go away.

2552
03:05:26,719 --> 03:05:28,639
Maybe we can uninvent them, and the Soviets are going

2553
03:05:28,680 --> 03:05:32,239
to do it with us totally, this is actually gonna happen.

2554
03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:37,840
And someone like Alan Dulles and someone like the guys

2555
03:05:37,840 --> 03:05:40,120
in the Joint chiefs of Staff would have thought that

2556
03:05:40,159 --> 03:05:44,559
this man is absolutely insane. And that's exactly what they thought,

2557
03:05:44,760 --> 03:05:47,600
and they sabotaged him every fucking chance that they got,

2558
03:05:48,600 --> 03:05:53,639
and they did sabotage him several times, some of them

2559
03:05:53,719 --> 03:05:59,959
leading to rather embarrassing moments. And that's why Jack Ken

2560
03:06:00,079 --> 03:06:01,799
he says, I'm going to break the CIA into a

2561
03:06:01,799 --> 03:06:04,959
million pieces, because shortly before then they just made him

2562
03:06:05,000 --> 03:06:08,280
look like a fucking retard in front of the Soviets

2563
03:06:08,280 --> 03:06:10,760
while he's trying to do this crazy idea of his

2564
03:06:10,920 --> 03:06:13,159
that like, we're just gonna wave the magic wand and

2565
03:06:13,239 --> 03:06:15,200
the Communists are going to make all the nukes go away,

2566
03:06:15,559 --> 03:06:17,120
and we're going to make all of ours go away.

2567
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:23,120
So the whole fucking that's that's the dullest JFK beef

2568
03:06:24,200 --> 03:06:27,959
has nothing to do with Vietnam, has nothing to do

2569
03:06:28,000 --> 03:06:30,559
with the Bay of Pigs. The Bay of Pigs has

2570
03:06:30,600 --> 03:06:34,639
everything to do with somebody else, and it had everything

2571
03:06:34,639 --> 03:06:37,440
to do with nukes, which is the same reason JFK

2572
03:06:37,719 --> 03:06:40,600
was losing his fucking mind at was. It's monoc and Began.

2573
03:06:40,760 --> 03:06:43,639
I always get I always get them confused. Is that

2574
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:46,280
the one or is it Ben Gury and Ben Gury.

2575
03:06:46,040 --> 03:06:49,319
Speaker 3: In right well Minock and Began was a member of

2576
03:06:49,319 --> 03:06:52,280
the Year Gun and Prime Minister in the late seventies, and.

2577
03:06:54,079 --> 03:06:55,760
Speaker 2: Who is the one in the sixties when who is

2578
03:06:55,799 --> 03:06:58,520
the one that the Kennedy letters or I think they're

2579
03:06:58,520 --> 03:07:00,639
called like the Israel the Israel letter or the Kennedy

2580
03:07:00,719 --> 03:07:04,319
letters or whatever. The basically the telex fight that he

2581
03:07:04,360 --> 03:07:06,159
was having with the Israeli Prime minister at the time

2582
03:07:06,159 --> 03:07:08,959
about the nuclear sites in Demono, when he said, yeah,

2583
03:07:09,000 --> 03:07:09,680
we know what you did.

2584
03:07:10,239 --> 03:07:13,120
Speaker 3: If if you give me a year, I could tell

2585
03:07:13,159 --> 03:07:18,040
you a year. Yeah, like when the phone call happened.

2586
03:07:18,120 --> 03:07:24,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh no, no, like this would be Oh shoot, Pete.

2587
03:07:24,600 --> 03:07:26,360
Do you know when the Kennedy assassination took place. I

2588
03:07:26,360 --> 03:07:29,360
can't believe I'm fucking blanking on this. I thought you.

2589
03:07:29,319 --> 03:07:30,239
Speaker 1: Literally it was.

2590
03:07:30,840 --> 03:07:31,040
Speaker 2: It was.

2591
03:07:31,799 --> 03:07:35,440
Speaker 1: It was in sixty three, but it wasn't Bengurion.

2592
03:07:36,440 --> 03:07:42,000
Speaker 2: At the time. Yes. So anybody that can go search

2593
03:07:42,079 --> 03:07:45,719
the what is it the what's the office, what's the place,

2594
03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:48,120
what's the It's not the Library of Congress. Who's the

2595
03:07:48,120 --> 03:07:49,920
people that keep the presidential records?

2596
03:07:50,959 --> 03:07:54,280
Speaker 1: The Office of the Historian one of the Yeah, the

2597
03:07:54,280 --> 03:07:58,200
Office of the Historian, Yeah, holds letters. They have the

2598
03:07:58,360 --> 03:08:01,520
uh it's number three wait letter for Prime Minister ben

2599
03:08:01,559 --> 03:08:05,440
gurians a President Kennedy June twenty fourth, nineteen sixty two.

2600
03:08:06,920 --> 03:08:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a whole bunch of them. This letter

2601
03:08:11,360 --> 03:08:14,520
war went back and forth and back and forth, and

2602
03:08:14,680 --> 03:08:18,440
anybody that reads those letters, if you think that these

2603
03:08:18,479 --> 03:08:23,239
two men, you know, I would say that as much

2604
03:08:23,280 --> 03:08:30,079
as I think jfk hated him more than Donald Trump

2605
03:08:30,120 --> 03:08:37,840
hates Benjamin at Yahoo, and that's quite a lot. I

2606
03:08:38,280 --> 03:08:42,799
don't think there was a relationship, a diplomatic relationship that

2607
03:08:42,920 --> 03:08:45,040
John F. Kennedy had with any other world leader that

2608
03:08:45,200 --> 03:08:48,280
was as hostile as it was with the Prime Minister

2609
03:08:48,319 --> 03:08:55,600
of Israel at the time because of nukes. And that's

2610
03:08:55,680 --> 03:08:58,920
also why I think, I don't know if Filo would

2611
03:08:58,920 --> 03:09:00,920
you say, like, that's the fine reason why that he

2612
03:09:00,920 --> 03:09:02,040
got assassinated by them.

2613
03:09:02,959 --> 03:09:05,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's interesting because the whole talk of

2614
03:09:06,920 --> 03:09:12,319
nukes and the president, you know, Angleton being interviewed in

2615
03:09:12,360 --> 03:09:14,760
nineteen seventy five in the church community, he's he's bringing

2616
03:09:14,840 --> 03:09:19,079
up Israel, He's bringing up nuclear weapons. I mean, even

2617
03:09:19,479 --> 03:09:22,280
you know, at that point thirteen years later, it was

2618
03:09:22,319 --> 03:09:28,600
still like the highlight of the congressional investigation into him.

2619
03:09:28,959 --> 03:09:31,360
So I think there's there's very good supporting evidence of that.

2620
03:09:31,799 --> 03:09:34,840
And also you have to track like the global trajectory

2621
03:09:34,879 --> 03:09:37,440
of the acquisition of nukes. It's been it's been a

2622
03:09:37,440 --> 03:09:40,120
hot minute since I've researched this, but you know, first

2623
03:09:40,159 --> 03:09:44,040
off it's the United States and then later the Soviet Union,

2624
03:09:44,079 --> 03:09:47,719
I mean leaked through. I think a British COMMI by

2625
03:09:48,159 --> 03:09:52,159
a scientist was how it got to the It was

2626
03:09:52,799 --> 03:09:53,719
nineteen forty nine.

2627
03:09:54,520 --> 03:09:57,440
Speaker 2: I know the person was it the Rose was it

2628
03:09:57,479 --> 03:10:01,159
the Rosenbergs, No, it doesn't matter, or they were the

2629
03:10:01,159 --> 03:10:03,200
person that found or they were the person that was

2630
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:05,680
running the cell that this person that was working at

2631
03:10:05,719 --> 03:10:07,840
Los Alamos operated out.

2632
03:10:07,680 --> 03:10:11,920
Speaker 3: Of something like that. But I do know that there's

2633
03:10:11,920 --> 03:10:14,959
a lot of other atomic stuff going through them. But

2634
03:10:15,000 --> 03:10:17,360
then anyway, I think it's it's Britain, in it's France,

2635
03:10:17,440 --> 03:10:24,680
and then UH Israel one one one increase one interesting Yeah.

2636
03:10:24,760 --> 03:10:27,000
One interesting thing from the nineteen seventy five interview is

2637
03:10:27,040 --> 03:10:33,479
that Angleton says that right around the Suez Crisis, he's

2638
03:10:33,479 --> 03:10:37,360
having talks with UH. I can have to pull up

2639
03:10:37,360 --> 03:10:42,520
the damn source he's he's having talks on with like

2640
03:10:43,000 --> 03:10:47,200
scientists UH that are that are working on the development

2641
03:10:47,239 --> 03:10:51,520
of a nuclear material within Israel. Because there's like a

2642
03:10:51,680 --> 03:10:55,520
dynamic of he's getting intelligence about the Soviet Union from

2643
03:10:55,559 --> 03:11:00,879
the Israelis, and then there's there's other new clear related

2644
03:11:00,920 --> 03:11:05,040
information that passes through Israel's kind of a conduit. So

2645
03:11:05,159 --> 03:11:09,760
a lot of internal speeches within the Soviet Union in

2646
03:11:09,799 --> 03:11:13,680
the mid fifties are going through Israel. He's talking about.

2647
03:11:14,360 --> 03:11:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the telegenis apparatus was literally you know, these

2648
03:11:18,000 --> 03:11:25,239
were these were former coworkers, right. Granted the Soviet Union

2649
03:11:25,280 --> 03:11:26,920
would later turn on Israel.

2650
03:11:27,840 --> 03:11:31,319
Speaker 3: Oh totally. And Israel also was playing both sides, like

2651
03:11:31,360 --> 03:11:34,319
in Israel, I learned this that like that was not

2652
03:11:34,600 --> 03:11:36,079
was not mint right.

2653
03:11:36,159 --> 03:11:40,120
Speaker 2: Just type in now today, Just type in Pentagon or

2654
03:11:40,360 --> 03:11:45,920
US military. Pick an explicitive word that's similar to angry

2655
03:11:46,079 --> 03:11:52,840
whatever Israel. Or type in just Israel cells US military blank,

2656
03:11:53,600 --> 03:11:54,840
and then hit enter.

2657
03:11:55,479 --> 03:11:58,399
Speaker 3: And less none than that is Israel.

2658
03:11:58,440 --> 03:12:01,879
Speaker 2: Because this is the China. This is how the Chinese

2659
03:12:01,879 --> 03:12:04,440
got ahold of the F twenty two. Right. The only

2660
03:12:04,479 --> 03:12:06,959
people we ever get like the F thirty five is

2661
03:12:07,000 --> 03:12:11,440
the fucking is the down syndrome, you know, baby, that

2662
03:12:11,520 --> 03:12:15,360
came after the F twenty two. Any fighter pilot that

2663
03:12:15,719 --> 03:12:18,440
you know has any experience will tell you that the

2664
03:12:18,520 --> 03:12:22,799
F twenty two is is the real deal. The F

2665
03:12:22,840 --> 03:12:25,319
thirty five is a nightmare and a joke.

2666
03:12:26,639 --> 03:12:28,760
Speaker 3: Did you know that the you'd like this one. The

2667
03:12:28,799 --> 03:12:32,399
F thirty five has an I variant within Israel where

2668
03:12:32,399 --> 03:12:36,479
they they have their own aircraft where they fitted out

2669
03:12:36,520 --> 03:12:39,479
with all kinds of Israeli developed daviy onyx and then

2670
03:12:39,479 --> 03:12:40,000
send them back.

2671
03:12:40,239 --> 03:12:41,719
Speaker 2: But do you know why they're not allowed to have

2672
03:12:41,760 --> 03:12:43,000
the F twenty two anymore?

2673
03:12:44,319 --> 03:12:47,959
Speaker 3: Probably because they sold every part of it to China,

2674
03:12:48,120 --> 03:12:49,399
I would guess, yeah, to China.

2675
03:12:49,520 --> 03:12:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, so even Popular Mechanics talks about it. Popular Mechanics

2676
03:12:57,200 --> 03:13:03,639
got invited to Beijing to witness this amazing fifth generation

2677
03:13:03,719 --> 03:13:08,000
fighter that the Chinese had built. And what amazed Popular

2678
03:13:08,120 --> 03:13:13,399
Mechanics the most was this plane, this plane's avionics system.

2679
03:13:13,799 --> 03:13:15,680
It wasn't the fact that it looks identical to the

2680
03:13:15,719 --> 03:13:20,799
F twenty two, literally identical. It was that the avionics

2681
03:13:20,799 --> 03:13:31,319
equipment was still in English. We only gave I think

2682
03:13:31,360 --> 03:13:33,879
we only gave one or two, and I know we

2683
03:13:33,920 --> 03:13:36,280
took one back, so I don't know where the other

2684
03:13:36,319 --> 03:13:39,840
one went. And I don't know what Israel got in return,

2685
03:13:40,239 --> 03:13:42,440
but I imagine quite a fucking lot.

2686
03:13:44,799 --> 03:13:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a good rabbit hole is the

2687
03:13:49,280 --> 03:13:53,000
Israeli weapons industry and China and no one, no one,

2688
03:13:53,040 --> 03:13:57,120
knows about this, but it's openly discussed over there like

2689
03:13:57,159 --> 03:14:00,600
that that was touted as a as a big big fact.

2690
03:14:00,760 --> 03:14:03,639
Was like the you know like that because that was

2691
03:14:03,639 --> 03:14:05,559
a big deal at the time for the three years

2692
03:14:05,559 --> 03:14:07,600
that I was there was you know, Israel receives this

2693
03:14:08,360 --> 03:14:12,559
F thirty five and ostensibly DoD tasks them to develop

2694
03:14:12,799 --> 03:14:15,639
all the avionics within their own F thirty five ivary

2695
03:14:15,719 --> 03:14:19,120
and that they're going to keep, but then send some

2696
03:14:19,239 --> 03:14:22,000
of their tech back to the United States to help,

2697
03:14:22,360 --> 03:14:26,639
you know, further develop this technology that's going on within there.

2698
03:14:26,719 --> 03:14:29,479
But you know, it's.

2699
03:14:30,959 --> 03:14:35,159
Speaker 2: A fucking pox on both our houses. Sorry, China pretty much.

2700
03:14:36,120 --> 03:14:39,520
Speaker 3: There's also like yeah, there's a lot of a lot

2701
03:14:39,520 --> 03:14:41,319
of work within China the Israel.

2702
03:14:41,120 --> 03:14:46,399
Speaker 2: Soon and so think about this, think about you would

2703
03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:48,920
probably know this. Do you remember what was it called?

2704
03:14:50,559 --> 03:14:54,680
I can't remember what the gate was. It happened shortly

2705
03:14:54,719 --> 03:14:57,719
after the or shortly before the Lewinsky scandal.

2706
03:15:00,040 --> 03:15:02,799
Speaker 1: It's the bombing of the as This would be after

2707
03:15:04,319 --> 03:15:07,879
the bombing of the aspirin factory in uh Africa.

2708
03:15:09,079 --> 03:15:11,399
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I think I think no, I was

2709
03:15:11,399 --> 03:15:15,159
talking about like the a K for the Chinese guns

2710
03:15:15,200 --> 03:15:17,280
that were being that they got caught importing into the

2711
03:15:17,399 --> 03:15:21,440
United States and just like a big deal, like there

2712
03:15:21,520 --> 03:15:26,600
was like some millet, there was some Chinese ship. It

2713
03:15:26,680 --> 03:15:29,000
had to do with that guy that the guy that

2714
03:15:29,079 --> 03:15:32,159
was running it, uh at the time, the guy that

2715
03:15:32,319 --> 03:15:35,719
was deeply involved in it. Was the same guy that

2716
03:15:35,959 --> 03:15:38,799
killed himself by tying himself to a tree and then

2717
03:15:38,840 --> 03:15:40,719
shooting himself in the shot in the chest with a

2718
03:15:40,760 --> 03:15:41,440
shotgun twice.

2719
03:15:42,280 --> 03:15:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember.

2720
03:15:45,479 --> 03:15:49,639
Speaker 2: It's like the it's like the most famous Clinton suicide here,

2721
03:15:49,680 --> 03:16:01,639
hold on, uh Clinton. Yeah, Like there's just too much

2722
03:16:01,680 --> 03:16:06,360
shit in my brain. Nineteen ninety six campaign finance controversy. Yeah,

2723
03:16:06,559 --> 03:16:10,600
campaign China Gate. It's called I'm so fucking dumb. God

2724
03:16:10,639 --> 03:16:14,239
damn it. Oh man, that's hilarious.

2725
03:16:14,959 --> 03:16:17,319
Speaker 3: I have a quick quick side note on that earlier point.

2726
03:16:17,440 --> 03:16:21,360
I'm looking at the nineteen seventy five Church thing. Angleton says, quote,

2727
03:16:22,520 --> 03:16:24,520
you know, I'm talking about in terms of Israel, talking

2728
03:16:24,520 --> 03:16:29,280
about the signal intelligence. Most of the information that we

2729
03:16:29,360 --> 03:16:32,680
gained from the surfaced air missiles which had a direct

2730
03:16:32,680 --> 03:16:35,680
bearing on you using B fifty twos in Vietnam, we

2731
03:16:35,799 --> 03:16:38,399
gained through Israel. We could read a whole lot of

2732
03:16:38,399 --> 03:16:41,440
the computerizing and so on of those SAMs. And therefore

2733
03:16:41,479 --> 03:16:44,239
we were prepared to give highly sophisticated equipment to Israel

2734
03:16:44,280 --> 03:16:47,000
to work against the Russian business in order to transfer

2735
03:16:47,040 --> 03:16:50,520
the knowledge to Vietnam. And so this goes back, you know,

2736
03:16:51,319 --> 03:16:55,920
sixty years of a kind of two way five way

2737
03:16:56,239 --> 03:16:57,239
street or whatever.

2738
03:16:57,399 --> 03:16:59,559
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say it's a five way street. That

2739
03:16:59,600 --> 03:17:01,959
sounds like somebody's gassing up a bunch of senators that

2740
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:02,840
don't know any better.

2741
03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:10,920
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, it's he's you know that the senators.

2742
03:17:11,840 --> 03:17:14,479
Speaker 2: Well, here, let me tell you why Israel's is so important.

2743
03:17:15,319 --> 03:17:16,879
You know, I'm sure I would love to hear what

2744
03:17:16,879 --> 03:17:19,280
the senator's question that prompted that was.

2745
03:17:19,680 --> 03:17:24,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me mind it for you. Are you saying,

2746
03:17:24,600 --> 03:17:27,399
in effect then, that any questions he raised with you

2747
03:17:27,440 --> 03:17:30,600
about the transfer of visual material or deeper technology or

2748
03:17:30,600 --> 03:17:34,360
manpower for that matter, to the Israeli government was couched

2749
03:17:34,360 --> 03:17:35,520
in c who is who?

2750
03:17:35,639 --> 03:17:36,200
Speaker 2: Who is who?

2751
03:17:37,239 --> 03:17:37,719
Speaker 3: Senator?

2752
03:17:38,920 --> 03:17:42,159
Speaker 2: No, isn't like you said that any any intelligence or

2753
03:17:42,200 --> 03:17:45,200
any anything. Here. Read that first sentence.

2754
03:17:45,040 --> 03:17:50,159
Speaker 3: Again, Senator Tower to mister Engleton, are you saying an

2755
03:17:50,159 --> 03:17:52,840
effect then that any questions he raised with you about

2756
03:17:52,840 --> 03:17:54,280
the transfer of visual material.

2757
03:17:54,680 --> 03:17:55,200
Speaker 2: Who is the he?

2758
03:17:56,639 --> 03:17:58,879
Speaker 3: Uh that is mister Schwartz.

2759
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:00,440
Speaker 2: I bet it's still US.

2760
03:18:01,879 --> 03:18:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a there's an individual named mister Schwartz. This

2761
03:18:06,840 --> 03:18:09,719
is talking about Israeli government technical assistance.

2762
03:18:10,639 --> 03:18:15,840
Speaker 1: Schwartz. Schwartz's Irish, irishsh.

2763
03:18:15,159 --> 03:18:18,719
Speaker 2: I wonder if he's a flower shop you patron.

2764
03:18:19,120 --> 03:18:23,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you confirm to sol a different guy during

2765
03:18:23,959 --> 03:18:26,079
the late fifties, subsequent to the sUAS War, that the

2766
03:18:26,079 --> 03:18:29,639
CIA made available to the Israeli government technical assistance and

2767
03:18:29,680 --> 03:18:33,639
the availability of one or more distinguished nuclear scientists or

2768
03:18:33,680 --> 03:18:38,200
physicists for the purpose of developing atomic weapons. Mister Angleton,

2769
03:18:38,600 --> 03:18:42,040
that is completely false, but we know it's true.

2770
03:18:43,040 --> 03:18:45,440
Speaker 2: Oh so it wasn't It wasn't. I guess they couldn't,

2771
03:18:45,440 --> 03:18:49,040
even after they stole the uranium and stole the By

2772
03:18:49,040 --> 03:18:52,399
the way, Benjamin and Yahoo everybody makes his first appearance,

2773
03:18:53,079 --> 03:18:56,440
his first time to the US was not, unfortunately, to

2774
03:18:56,520 --> 03:19:01,719
testify as a Iranian nuclear weapons expert like he does

2775
03:19:01,879 --> 03:19:05,719
in his role of Prime Minister every ten minutes, and

2776
03:19:05,760 --> 03:19:10,600
not his appearance on the fouls on the Florid Congress

2777
03:19:10,959 --> 03:19:14,360
as a terrorism expert, as he did shortly after nine

2778
03:19:14,360 --> 03:19:18,719
to eleven and also a terrorism expert before he was

2779
03:19:18,719 --> 03:19:23,280
even Prime minister. He was the terrorism expert after WTC

2780
03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:30,639
the first time in ninety three, but his first his

2781
03:19:30,719 --> 03:19:35,719
first escapades in America had nothing to do with lying

2782
03:19:35,719 --> 03:19:39,840
to our congress people, which is his seemingly his career now.

2783
03:19:41,319 --> 03:19:46,479
It was stealing critron triggers, which are the triggers for

2784
03:19:46,600 --> 03:19:52,479
nuclear weapons in the naval facilities in California. At the

2785
03:19:52,479 --> 03:20:00,319
same time, his co ethno religiousists, I would say co nicks,

2786
03:20:00,360 --> 03:20:02,280
but depending on who you ask or when you ask,

2787
03:20:02,760 --> 03:20:07,680
it's a religion, so cover on my basis, while they

2788
03:20:07,680 --> 03:20:14,920
were stealing nuclear material out of the naval facility in

2789
03:20:15,000 --> 03:20:19,079
New mech Pennsylvania. So between the two you got both

2790
03:20:19,120 --> 03:20:22,120
half of both halves of a nuclear bomb. And it

2791
03:20:22,159 --> 03:20:26,639
was actually the mob the guys like my Orlanski, that

2792
03:20:26,799 --> 03:20:28,719
made sure that nuclear material made it out of the

2793
03:20:28,840 --> 03:20:32,799
United States. I mean, when you find out how they

2794
03:20:32,799 --> 03:20:35,280
were shipping it, I'm sure a whole bunch of random,

2795
03:20:35,360 --> 03:20:40,520
nice people got radiation poisoning mysteriously. It's really fucking gross.

2796
03:20:40,559 --> 03:20:44,239
Don't expect the mobsters to take a lot of precautions.

2797
03:20:44,520 --> 03:20:47,879
But anyways, do you have a challenge what you're telling

2798
03:20:47,879 --> 03:20:49,959
me is that even with those two things, they still

2799
03:20:49,959 --> 03:20:53,440
couldn't get it to work. And James Jesus Angleton had

2800
03:20:53,479 --> 03:20:56,280
to make sure that they got nuclear experts too. So

2801
03:20:56,399 --> 03:21:01,920
this is after JFK. This is after So why would

2802
03:21:02,520 --> 03:21:11,159
the Israeli nuclear program and James Jesus Angleton and the

2803
03:21:11,200 --> 03:21:15,239
Suez crisis be relevant at all to the Warrant Commission

2804
03:21:18,360 --> 03:21:24,280
unless nuclear weapons? The Israeli nuclear weapons program was not very, very,

2805
03:21:24,399 --> 03:21:29,719
very important to the Kennedy assassination. And I think you

2806
03:21:29,799 --> 03:21:33,719
will get the impression when you read those those letters

2807
03:21:33,760 --> 03:21:42,799
back and forth between Ben Gurion and JFK, you come

2808
03:21:42,840 --> 03:21:48,200
away with an idea that they already the Israelis already

2809
03:21:48,280 --> 03:21:51,159
planned are they already knew who they were planning on

2810
03:21:51,280 --> 03:21:55,559
using these weapons against, And I think that was the Egyptians.

2811
03:21:56,559 --> 03:21:59,600
They were going to nuclear first strike them. Instead they

2812
03:21:59,600 --> 03:22:01,959
did a surprise attack like hey, we're not at war,

2813
03:22:02,360 --> 03:22:06,319
Oh surprise, you're at war with us today with fighter jets.

2814
03:22:06,879 --> 03:22:09,399
That's the only reason that Israel didn't get wiped off

2815
03:22:09,399 --> 03:22:13,000
the face of the earth by the Egyptian army, which

2816
03:22:13,000 --> 03:22:17,760
it actually still very well made, by the way, was

2817
03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:22,200
because the Israelis, without declaring war or really any hostilities

2818
03:22:22,319 --> 03:22:27,840
or any real intent whatsoever, decided to just send literally

2819
03:22:27,840 --> 03:22:35,239
every fighter aircraft they had and surprise the Egyptians and

2820
03:22:35,440 --> 03:22:37,959
shoot all of their planes while they were still, you know,

2821
03:22:38,600 --> 03:22:44,040
not at war, hanging out on the ground. I don't

2822
03:22:44,079 --> 03:22:47,600
think that was the because they didn't know that the

2823
03:22:47,639 --> 03:22:52,799
Egyptian air defenses weren't going to be activated the way

2824
03:22:52,799 --> 03:22:56,600
they were. Right, the Israelis had to assume that they

2825
03:22:56,639 --> 03:23:00,200
would have lost a tremendous amount more fighter aircraft, and

2826
03:23:00,280 --> 03:23:02,159
the Israelis had to assume that they wouldn't have been

2827
03:23:02,200 --> 03:23:05,719
as successful as they were at nailing those fighter craft

2828
03:23:06,559 --> 03:23:11,159
on the ground. Right. I bet you Israel was more

2829
03:23:11,200 --> 03:23:16,600
surprised than anyone that they got that many Egyptian fighter craft, uh,

2830
03:23:16,959 --> 03:23:19,959
you know, caught them sleeping on the ground. Well, granted,

2831
03:23:21,159 --> 03:23:22,920
it's not really the Egyptian's fault if you don't know

2832
03:23:22,920 --> 03:23:25,239
that you're at war. In your next if you think

2833
03:23:25,239 --> 03:23:30,440
of Canada anyways, right, because I mean being on nuclear

2834
03:23:30,479 --> 03:23:34,600
first striking Yeah wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

2835
03:23:34,600 --> 03:23:38,520
wait wait wait wait wait? Who was I mean? Actually, Pete,

2836
03:23:38,600 --> 03:23:41,079
I believe you have at least two episodes on this.

2837
03:23:41,600 --> 03:23:45,440
Who was Egypt's ally?

2838
03:23:45,719 --> 03:23:49,680
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean that's easy, the big guest Union.

2839
03:23:50,600 --> 03:23:57,520
Speaker 2: Yes, it was the Soviet Union's largest ally in the region,

2840
03:23:58,639 --> 03:24:02,639
and I believe they shouldn't be too hard to find.

2841
03:24:03,639 --> 03:24:10,440
I believe at least one instance that the premiere of

2842
03:24:10,559 --> 03:24:17,239
the Soviet Socialist Republics mister Khrushchev or either Khrushcheff work.

2843
03:24:17,520 --> 03:24:23,760
Actually Khrushchev was ousted shortly after JFK, but is so

2844
03:24:23,799 --> 03:24:26,200
it maybe either Khrushchev or the guy that followed him

2845
03:24:26,559 --> 03:24:32,879
that any attack on Egypt would be viewed by the

2846
03:24:32,959 --> 03:24:37,399
Soviet Union as an attack on the Soviet Union. The

2847
03:24:37,440 --> 03:24:41,000
Soviet Union wasn't retarded. They knew how important Suez was.

2848
03:24:45,079 --> 03:24:50,040
So basically, what Isra was trying to do would start

2849
03:24:50,079 --> 03:24:55,600
World War three with nukes, and they were perfectly okay

2850
03:24:55,639 --> 03:25:03,920
with that if it meant greater Israel. The only reason

2851
03:25:03,959 --> 03:25:08,239
I go off on that tangent, dear listener, is because

2852
03:25:10,280 --> 03:25:14,799
it is a very useful lens to apply to the

2853
03:25:14,840 --> 03:25:21,959
Middle East today. So if Israel was perfectly okay, granted

2854
03:25:22,440 --> 03:25:24,719
they thought the US was going to get involved. They

2855
03:25:24,760 --> 03:25:27,399
thought if the US got involved, that the Soviet nukes

2856
03:25:27,680 --> 03:25:31,920
would fly at the US and not at their little

2857
03:25:31,959 --> 03:25:37,719
tiny state in the Middle East. We would be the

2858
03:25:37,760 --> 03:25:42,760
bullet magnets. But with nukes, they were perfectly okay starting

2859
03:25:42,840 --> 03:25:47,959
nuclear war to get greater Israel because this point in time,

2860
03:25:48,159 --> 03:25:52,920
the Soviet Union was very, very very clear that anybody

2861
03:25:52,920 --> 03:26:00,559
that attacked Egypt would be at war with the Soviet Union. Basically,

2862
03:26:01,719 --> 03:26:05,760
JFK was literally looking at Cuban Missile Crisis two point zero.

2863
03:26:06,879 --> 03:26:11,000
Nobody just we just didn't know it yet. So if

2864
03:26:11,079 --> 03:26:14,639
Israel's willing to literally light the world on fire using

2865
03:26:14,719 --> 03:26:24,920
nuclear health fire to satiate their territorial expansion desires, everybody

2866
03:26:25,000 --> 03:26:28,600
needs to be well aware that they would be They

2867
03:26:28,600 --> 03:26:31,600
would be more than willing to do it again. So

2868
03:26:31,639 --> 03:26:35,559
there really is no geopolitical fallout that these people are

2869
03:26:35,600 --> 03:26:41,879
not willing to risk, whether it's to them or whether

2870
03:26:41,959 --> 03:26:45,440
it's to us, or to really to anybody. Right, there's

2871
03:26:45,479 --> 03:26:50,799
no nukes in the Middle East now except for theirs.

2872
03:26:52,479 --> 03:26:56,760
But when the Soviets would have fired nukes at them,

2873
03:26:57,319 --> 03:27:02,360
they were still willing to do it. So really there's

2874
03:27:02,360 --> 03:27:05,319
really nothing they're not willing to do now, considering they're

2875
03:27:05,319 --> 03:27:06,920
the one with all the nukes in the region except

2876
03:27:06,920 --> 03:27:11,959
for Turkey. So I think that's actually apparently we're right

2877
03:27:11,959 --> 03:27:13,239
back where we fucking started.

2878
03:27:21,959 --> 03:27:25,840
Speaker 3: In addition to spending the last you know, thirty maybe

2879
03:27:25,879 --> 03:27:32,040
longer years trying to destroy Ran yep. And that's still

2880
03:27:32,120 --> 03:27:37,120
like even like last week, the the D and I

2881
03:27:37,159 --> 03:27:41,000
put out the twenty twenty five Threat Landscape and that

2882
03:27:41,159 --> 03:27:43,479
you know, number one threat outside of you know, China

2883
03:27:43,600 --> 03:27:44,639
Rush or whatever is you're on.

2884
03:27:45,559 --> 03:27:46,159
Speaker 1: You know it.

2885
03:27:46,239 --> 03:27:48,399
Speaker 3: It's it's just the same thing every single year.

2886
03:27:48,399 --> 03:27:52,639
Speaker 2: It's that's right. Don't pay too much attention to don't

2887
03:27:52,639 --> 03:27:55,440
pay attention to to D and I that much. You're

2888
03:27:55,440 --> 03:27:58,559
basically hearing the CIA and the CIA is nearest, makes

2889
03:27:58,600 --> 03:28:02,719
no difference, fully fully zogged. Right, pay attention to what

2890
03:28:02,760 --> 03:28:07,879
comes out of the Defense Department, Defense Department prior to

2891
03:28:07,920 --> 03:28:14,000
October seventh, and there is ample policy documents from many many,

2892
03:28:14,040 --> 03:28:18,639
many army and navy and stuff war colleges to start

2893
03:28:18,639 --> 03:28:21,239
pulling troops out of the Middle East. And what do

2894
03:28:21,239 --> 03:28:26,680
you know, You can judge how serious they were about

2895
03:28:26,680 --> 03:28:30,799
it by the level of covetching against it. So if

2896
03:28:30,799 --> 03:28:35,200
the Pentagon wasn't serious, everybody should go to their search engine,

2897
03:28:35,600 --> 03:28:40,360
do go to settings and go to select time and

2898
03:28:40,959 --> 03:28:44,040
scroll the clock back before October seventh, and type in

2899
03:28:44,120 --> 03:28:48,239
Pentagon pulling out of the Middle East, or Pentagon plants

2900
03:28:48,280 --> 03:28:53,360
to pull out of the Middle East, whatever, and you

2901
03:28:53,399 --> 03:28:56,120
will have to go through three or four pages of

2902
03:28:57,120 --> 03:29:03,200
Foreign Policy Magazine, The Atlantic Counts on Foreign Relations, Chatham,

2903
03:29:03,200 --> 03:29:06,920
howse this fucking place, this other fucking place, doesn't matter.

2904
03:29:07,000 --> 03:29:09,920
Just every single one, all the way on the line

2905
03:29:11,280 --> 03:29:14,920
about how it will be an absolute disaster if the

2906
03:29:14,920 --> 03:29:19,360
Pentagon pulls out of the Middle East. Well, let's just

2907
03:29:19,399 --> 03:29:24,399
say the Pentagon never said that. Hypothetically, let's just do

2908
03:29:24,520 --> 03:29:27,200
the counterfactual and say, like, the Pentagon wasn't planning on

2909
03:29:27,319 --> 03:29:30,559
doing that, Then why the fuck are you guys screaming

2910
03:29:30,559 --> 03:29:34,440
about it so loudly? Why are you screaming about how

2911
03:29:34,479 --> 03:29:36,639
this thing will be a disaster that no one's talking

2912
03:29:36,680 --> 03:29:44,200
about doing and no one's serious about doing. Oh, that's

2913
03:29:44,200 --> 03:29:47,520
because they are serious about doing it, and we're all right.

2914
03:29:47,600 --> 03:29:51,040
Pentagon has done three separate war games, two of which

2915
03:29:51,120 --> 03:29:57,319
were with the IDF about joint attacks and not just

2916
03:29:57,360 --> 03:30:00,920
fighters and not just you know, missiles. But actually, I

2917
03:30:00,959 --> 03:30:03,719
think one of them is called the war game is

2918
03:30:03,719 --> 03:30:08,040
called like Archangel or something basically something to do with

2919
03:30:08,040 --> 03:30:11,920
the archangel Michael. I can't remember which right, and the

2920
03:30:12,040 --> 03:30:17,840
US and Israel lose and they lose within three weeks,

2921
03:30:20,840 --> 03:30:26,000
and the Pentagon doesn't like to lose. Same reason why.

2922
03:30:26,200 --> 03:30:30,559
And this is why it's important to think about the

2923
03:30:30,600 --> 03:30:36,879
two intelligence apparatuses, one military and the other one's civilian right,

2924
03:30:36,920 --> 03:30:42,520
because like Filo said, the head of the CIA is

2925
03:30:42,520 --> 03:30:50,360
the third most powerful person in government. The military number

2926
03:30:50,360 --> 03:30:57,239
two is well, the military isn't in government. The military

2927
03:30:57,319 --> 03:30:59,559
is its own thing. The military doesn't have elections, So

2928
03:30:59,680 --> 03:31:03,120
people aren't appointed unless you think the people that the

2929
03:31:03,159 --> 03:31:06,520
president appoints the changes every four years, unless you think

2930
03:31:06,520 --> 03:31:10,000
those people actually run shit. And I'd be like telling

2931
03:31:10,079 --> 03:31:13,879
me Joe Biden ran shit, he didn't, or who is

2932
03:31:13,920 --> 03:31:17,959
it that black guy, the guy that the guy that, yeah,

2933
03:31:17,959 --> 03:31:20,799
the guy had disappeared for literally eight months, and not

2934
03:31:20,840 --> 03:31:24,000
only did his secretary not know or his deputy not know,

2935
03:31:24,879 --> 03:31:28,760
but his deputy didn't care, and really nobody else cared.

2936
03:31:30,159 --> 03:31:33,840
So if the person that the that the president appoints

2937
03:31:34,440 --> 03:31:39,319
to oversee the Pentagon can fuck off and literally disappear

2938
03:31:39,440 --> 03:31:42,040
in like a private cancer clinic for eight months and

2939
03:31:42,079 --> 03:31:45,840
nobody gives a shit or notices. How much do you

2940
03:31:45,920 --> 03:31:49,280
think that that position actually controls shit at the Pentagon?

2941
03:31:50,559 --> 03:31:56,280
Not very much. So. The war in Ukraine is a

2942
03:31:56,280 --> 03:32:00,399
perfect example of this. It is clear any body that

2943
03:32:00,440 --> 03:32:04,120
was paying attention, it looked like there was the Russians

2944
03:32:04,239 --> 03:32:09,760
versus the Ukrainians, and there was our government versus itself. Right,

2945
03:32:09,920 --> 03:32:11,760
one half of the government was like, We're going to

2946
03:32:11,799 --> 03:32:16,760
go to a war in Ukraine against Russia tomorrow. Right.

2947
03:32:16,799 --> 03:32:22,840
In fact, actually President Biden said in Poland, hey, you

2948
03:32:22,959 --> 03:32:27,000
boys talking to American troops this time next year, and

2949
03:32:27,000 --> 03:32:28,479
it was actually close to the end of the year,

2950
03:32:28,959 --> 03:32:31,079
or he said, he just said next year. Right, this

2951
03:32:31,120 --> 03:32:32,479
will be like two or three months at the end

2952
03:32:32,479 --> 03:32:34,840
of the year next year, you guys are going to

2953
03:32:34,879 --> 03:32:42,879
be fighting in Ukraine. Right, State departments like, yeah, very

2954
03:32:42,920 --> 03:32:48,559
next day. Somebody from the Joint chiefs of Staff. I mean,

2955
03:32:48,600 --> 03:32:51,479
how many public media press conferences have you heard from

2956
03:32:51,520 --> 03:32:54,159
the Joint chiefs of Staff before? Personally, that was the

2957
03:32:54,159 --> 03:32:58,719
first one I've ever fucking heard of. But Joint chiefs

2958
03:32:58,719 --> 03:33:02,200
of Staff want staff pres conference and Georgie of Staff

2959
03:33:02,239 --> 03:33:07,239
says everything that guy just said is bullshit. That's a

2960
03:33:07,319 --> 03:33:09,440
very strange thing to say about the commander in chief.

2961
03:33:12,840 --> 03:33:18,360
And the very next day after that, the president's fucking

2962
03:33:19,399 --> 03:33:23,360
melanated mouthpiece comes out and says, Yeah, everything the the

2963
03:33:23,399 --> 03:33:26,000
President said the other day, sorry about that guy is bullshit.

2964
03:33:27,719 --> 03:33:35,000
I've never seen that ever before in my life. So yeah,

2965
03:33:37,639 --> 03:33:46,520
Da sorry is zogged. Cia, Sorry is zogged. But the

2966
03:33:46,559 --> 03:33:49,840
thing we keep in mind is that everybody in the

2967
03:33:49,840 --> 03:33:53,239
Biden administration, all of the appoint like the cabinet positions,

2968
03:33:53,280 --> 03:33:55,920
the people that actually ran the government, seventy percent of

2969
03:33:55,959 --> 03:33:58,920
them hold dual citizenship with the nation in the Middle East,

2970
03:33:58,959 --> 03:34:02,200
and really really really really like their ethnic homeland of Ukraine,

2971
03:34:02,959 --> 03:34:05,280
and really really really wanted to go to war in Ukraine.

2972
03:34:06,079 --> 03:34:10,079
And so if the president is a vegetable and the

2973
03:34:10,120 --> 03:34:15,399
cabinet actually runs the government and the intelligence agency wants

2974
03:34:15,399 --> 03:34:19,000
to go to war in Ukraine, and all of the

2975
03:34:19,159 --> 03:34:22,559
people that run the Biden government, all of the important

2976
03:34:22,600 --> 03:34:25,520
cabinet officials, from the fucking head of the secretary or

2977
03:34:26,079 --> 03:34:28,559
the Treasury secretary, it says, oh, yeah, I know, we

2978
03:34:28,559 --> 03:34:30,799
have this hyperinflation problem, boys and girls, but we still

2979
03:34:30,840 --> 03:34:34,399
have money to go to war in Ukraine. Anthony Blincoln,

2980
03:34:34,719 --> 03:34:38,120
all the way down the line. So if all of

2981
03:34:38,200 --> 03:34:41,280
Zog says that we're going to go to war in Ukraine,

2982
03:34:42,799 --> 03:34:48,680
but yet somehow we're not at war in Ukraine, how

2983
03:34:48,760 --> 03:34:51,079
is no one talking about that. All of the people

2984
03:34:51,120 --> 03:34:55,120
that hold all the positions of power, apparently, if these

2985
03:34:55,159 --> 03:34:58,799
are the positions of power, they want to go to

2986
03:34:58,799 --> 03:35:04,360
war in Ukraine, but we're not in war in Ukraine.

2987
03:35:05,879 --> 03:35:07,760
And all those same fucking people want to go to

2988
03:35:07,799 --> 03:35:12,520
war against Iran, and we're not at war with Iran.

2989
03:35:14,520 --> 03:35:19,079
So there is obviously right, Like, how do you know

2990
03:35:19,120 --> 03:35:22,639
a black hole is somewhere? You can't actually see the

2991
03:35:22,680 --> 03:35:27,040
black hole. You can only figure out the black holes

2992
03:35:27,079 --> 03:35:30,120
there by watching the effect of its gravity on the

2993
03:35:30,159 --> 03:35:36,239
things around it. There's something else there, and it's not

2994
03:35:36,280 --> 03:35:40,360
the CIA, because CIA they really want war in Ukraine.

2995
03:35:42,079 --> 03:35:44,680
So I think, I think, I mean, it's a weird

2996
03:35:44,680 --> 03:35:48,280
way to end it out. But unfortunately that other place,

2997
03:35:48,840 --> 03:35:51,799
I think the Office of Naval Intelligence viewed my guess,

2998
03:35:54,200 --> 03:35:57,520
considering they pre date the CIA by I don't know

2999
03:35:58,000 --> 03:36:04,520
eighty years, that'd probably be where I look, and I

3000
03:36:04,520 --> 03:36:06,600
think that's where you see the kind of war within

3001
03:36:06,639 --> 03:36:13,159
our government that doesn't seem to have eased up any

3002
03:36:14,799 --> 03:36:16,079
that was a ridiculous tangent.

3003
03:36:16,120 --> 03:36:23,200
Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, I mean I had let's do this filous.

3004
03:36:24,079 --> 03:36:26,360
How do you want to wrap this up? I'll give

3005
03:36:26,399 --> 03:36:29,120
you the floor, Stormy. You can insurject any way you want.

3006
03:36:29,799 --> 03:36:34,120
Speaker 3: I figure, I figure there's two ways. The first is,

3007
03:36:34,200 --> 03:36:36,399
I mean, I'd love to get kind of the current

3008
03:36:37,239 --> 03:36:40,360
Stormy's current opinion on the Trump administration and you know,

3009
03:36:40,440 --> 03:36:46,959
foreign policy generally, alternatively we didn't touch Guatemala and United

3010
03:36:47,000 --> 03:36:49,959
Free Company, but that might be too big of a

3011
03:36:50,040 --> 03:36:53,600
subject to wrap things. I would just it would just be.

3012
03:36:53,559 --> 03:36:56,959
Speaker 1: That that should actually be separate, because that's not only

3013
03:36:57,000 --> 03:36:58,120
the CIA.

3014
03:36:59,000 --> 03:37:02,719
Speaker 3: Right, that's Berne and all the other stuff. That would

3015
03:37:02,719 --> 03:37:05,719
be my preference would be, you know, I can understand

3016
03:37:05,760 --> 03:37:09,200
the Biden administration their stance on foreign intervention, the five

3017
03:37:09,319 --> 03:37:16,559
hundred ish dual citizens or ethnic representations, but you know,

3018
03:37:16,600 --> 03:37:20,280
they're on the one hand, seven languages, but go on

3019
03:37:20,319 --> 03:37:23,440
seven hundred. On the one hand, the language from the

3020
03:37:23,479 --> 03:37:29,840
administration is changing on Ukraine, but on the other the Iran,

3021
03:37:30,760 --> 03:37:33,719
the pro Israel element of it. I mean, I does

3022
03:37:33,760 --> 03:37:40,639
that does that shape towards like a renewed effort on

3023
03:37:40,680 --> 03:37:43,920
that intervention? Or is that just the same policy line

3024
03:37:44,799 --> 03:37:47,879
that the right's been trotting out for thirty years? You

3025
03:37:47,879 --> 03:37:49,280
know what will that eventually?

3026
03:37:49,280 --> 03:37:53,479
Speaker 2: The way I see it is that in Ukraine, what

3027
03:37:53,600 --> 03:37:56,399
Trump Donald Trump wants first right now is Ukraine? Right?

3028
03:37:57,200 --> 03:38:01,000
You want Ukraine to end? What vers does Donald Trump

3029
03:38:01,040 --> 03:38:07,520
have over Vladimir Putin in Ukraine? The answer is none. Literally,

3030
03:38:07,600 --> 03:38:10,040
Putin holds all the fucking cards. We can't escalate, we

3031
03:38:10,079 --> 03:38:13,959
can't ratchet, We literally can't do fuck all to influence

3032
03:38:14,079 --> 03:38:20,719
him into basically at least making it look like we

3033
03:38:20,760 --> 03:38:23,000
could both chalk up a win. You know, when you

3034
03:38:23,040 --> 03:38:25,719
want to, like if you want things tonight not escalate, like, hey,

3035
03:38:25,719 --> 03:38:27,159
what do you need to so you can go home

3036
03:38:27,200 --> 03:38:29,520
to your people and say that this was a win,

3037
03:38:30,280 --> 03:38:31,840
and this is what we need to go home to

3038
03:38:31,879 --> 03:38:37,079
our people to not get fucking just excoriated. He has

3039
03:38:37,120 --> 03:38:39,600
no leverage over Putin at all, but he really needs

3040
03:38:39,680 --> 03:38:44,319
this to stop because if he doesn't, I mean, I

3041
03:38:44,360 --> 03:38:46,879
know I've talked to this with, talked about this with Pete,

3042
03:38:46,920 --> 03:38:48,399
and I know Fi the way I've talked to this with,

3043
03:38:48,559 --> 03:38:53,680
talked about this with you privately. The European nations like

3044
03:38:54,120 --> 03:38:57,639
will go do the stupid thing, because it's either they

3045
03:38:57,680 --> 03:39:00,680
go do the stupid thing or they have a lot

3046
03:39:00,680 --> 03:39:04,799
of explaining to do at home when their government defaults

3047
03:39:04,799 --> 03:39:06,600
on all thats debt and goes bankrupt or whatever.

3048
03:39:07,479 --> 03:39:09,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, the UK and France issue in all kinds of

3049
03:39:09,520 --> 03:39:13,000
statements about they're gonna launch a military and everything.

3050
03:39:13,079 --> 03:39:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy bro Germany just sent troops for the very

3051
03:39:15,879 --> 03:39:19,879
first time outside of German border since since Operation Barbarossa.

3052
03:39:20,399 --> 03:39:22,639
Speaker 3: And what happens when they get killed? You know?

3053
03:39:23,079 --> 03:39:24,200
Speaker 2: Or do they put them? They put them on the

3054
03:39:24,239 --> 03:39:24,879
Russian border?

3055
03:39:25,280 --> 03:39:25,680
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

3056
03:39:26,399 --> 03:39:28,719
Speaker 2: The new guy, the new chancellor to replace Schultz, is

3057
03:39:28,760 --> 03:39:34,879
even more fucking insane, like actually an insane person. I

3058
03:39:34,879 --> 03:39:38,200
would say that the Europeans have gotten even more insane

3059
03:39:39,040 --> 03:39:39,760
with escalation.

3060
03:39:39,920 --> 03:39:42,319
Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know what. I don't know what fucking

3061
03:39:44,840 --> 03:39:49,239
I don't know what demon is causing this. But that's

3062
03:39:49,280 --> 03:39:51,559
all I've been talking about lately with you know, in

3063
03:39:51,639 --> 03:39:56,479
my private in my private chats with people, is there's

3064
03:39:56,520 --> 03:39:59,719
a demon that has control over millions of people right

3065
03:39:59,719 --> 03:40:03,639
now in Europe yep, yep, and they're they're bringing it

3066
03:40:03,680 --> 03:40:07,280
down upon themselves. And yeah, it's like some of the

3067
03:40:07,280 --> 03:40:11,600
stuff that we've talked about privately. It's uh, it's going

3068
03:40:11,680 --> 03:40:12,079
to be hell.

3069
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:17,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it's obvious, But there is no strategic reason

3070
03:40:17,879 --> 03:40:22,639
to send any Western European military into Ukraine. There there

3071
03:40:22,680 --> 03:40:26,639
is just not any kind of rational or political or

3072
03:40:26,680 --> 03:40:30,879
even economic reason. I would argue to justify.

3073
03:40:30,520 --> 03:40:35,280
Speaker 2: It if you're worried about staying in power, because how

3074
03:40:35,280 --> 03:40:38,760
does it? How does it collapse? Happen? How does it real?

3075
03:40:38,799 --> 03:40:41,920
Quick me, I don't want to dodge your question. On Iran,

3076
03:40:42,799 --> 03:40:45,040
they have I ran in Russia have a mutual defense pack,

3077
03:40:45,079 --> 03:40:45,440
did they not?

3078
03:40:48,639 --> 03:40:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? They do, and they also have a lot of

3079
03:40:50,440 --> 03:40:52,479
natural gas ties, if I recall correctly.

3080
03:40:53,200 --> 03:40:59,479
Speaker 2: Yes. So, by leaning on Iran, mister Trump has found

3081
03:40:59,559 --> 03:41:04,239
a level in which he can exert some pushback against

3082
03:41:04,319 --> 03:41:09,799
mister Vladimir Putin. He can't escalate in Ukraine, he can't

3083
03:41:09,840 --> 03:41:14,920
posture in Ukraine, but he damnsure can do it in Iran.

3084
03:41:16,079 --> 03:41:21,719
And the Russians know that a large portion of the Congress, right,

3085
03:41:22,120 --> 03:41:25,000
the State of Israel and all of their far reaching tentacles,

3086
03:41:25,200 --> 03:41:28,399
very very very much want Donald Trump to go to

3087
03:41:28,440 --> 03:41:31,559
war with Iran. So if Donald Trump threatens to go

3088
03:41:31,600 --> 03:41:34,079
to war with Iran, that is a very credible threat.

3089
03:41:35,959 --> 03:41:38,600
So now the man that has no leverage all of

3090
03:41:38,639 --> 03:41:46,319
a sudden found some. So I don't know if that's

3091
03:41:46,360 --> 03:41:51,399
actually what he's doing, But all the John Meersheimer's, all

3092
03:41:51,440 --> 03:41:54,280
the fucking David Sachs, all these other fucking assholes will

3093
03:41:54,399 --> 03:41:57,319
tell you all day about how Donald Trump has absolutely

3094
03:41:57,360 --> 03:42:01,600
no leverage against Russia and that how they just need

3095
03:42:01,639 --> 03:42:04,399
to do exactly as Russia says and just fuck off

3096
03:42:05,959 --> 03:42:07,600
and don't be wrong. I think we should fuck off

3097
03:42:07,600 --> 03:42:08,879
and we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

3098
03:42:09,719 --> 03:42:13,040
But to pretend to be like some geopolitical analysts, you know,

3099
03:42:13,200 --> 03:42:16,440
going on the DURAN and do whatever fucking song and

3100
03:42:16,520 --> 03:42:19,120
dance you do. David Sacks, You're supposed to be a

3101
03:42:19,120 --> 03:42:22,760
smart man. And if some half retarded and non can

3102
03:42:22,799 --> 03:42:28,000
figure out what a mutual defense pact means, right since

3103
03:42:28,040 --> 03:42:30,600
you fucking assholes have been screaming about mutual defense packs

3104
03:42:30,600 --> 03:42:33,360
in NATO and Article five for forever, like this shouldn't

3105
03:42:33,360 --> 03:42:37,360
be rocket science. So I don't know if that's what

3106
03:42:37,360 --> 03:42:41,440
Donald Trump's doing, But if the man would be searching

3107
03:42:41,479 --> 03:42:44,600
for levers to exert on Vladimir Putin in some way

3108
03:42:44,600 --> 03:42:47,479
shape or form. None of those levers exist in Ukraine,

3109
03:42:48,040 --> 03:42:50,799
but they do, however, exist in Iran.

3110
03:42:53,600 --> 03:42:55,559
Speaker 3: I also want to add to that point.

3111
03:42:55,520 --> 03:42:58,159
Speaker 2: Something bad has happened in Europe and I don't like it,

3112
03:42:58,399 --> 03:43:03,840
and capital markets wise, Martin Armstrong's never wrong, I'll put

3113
03:43:03,840 --> 03:43:07,040
it that way. I want to add predicting Thus, for

3114
03:43:07,120 --> 03:43:08,719
years down.

3115
03:43:08,559 --> 03:43:12,600
Speaker 3: To the day, there's no more economic levers. I think

3116
03:43:12,600 --> 03:43:16,200
that Trump can pull as regards like sanctions on Russia,

3117
03:43:16,879 --> 03:43:19,760
like every I mean, like I mean, for all the

3118
03:43:19,799 --> 03:43:23,239
talk of like soft power, it does. It does reach

3119
03:43:23,280 --> 03:43:26,479
a limit because soft power is basically sanctions, and sanctions

3120
03:43:26,479 --> 03:43:29,639
are basically done. There's there's not there's no one else

3121
03:43:29,680 --> 03:43:33,559
to sanction. There's no more institutions or organizations or energy

3122
03:43:33,600 --> 03:43:36,719
resources that like it's.

3123
03:43:37,680 --> 03:43:39,959
Speaker 2: And we couldn't move enough troops to fucking Europe to

3124
03:43:40,000 --> 03:43:41,399
scare Russia fast enough.

3125
03:43:42,840 --> 03:43:45,559
Speaker 3: List we put a second had enough.

3126
03:43:45,360 --> 03:43:47,600
Speaker 2: Forces and being though in the Middle East.

3127
03:43:49,120 --> 03:43:51,559
Speaker 3: Which explains the second aircraft carry in the Middle least

3128
03:43:51,559 --> 03:43:52,040
they put in.

3129
03:43:52,959 --> 03:43:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thinking, oh my god, Trump sent three aircraft

3130
03:43:56,280 --> 03:43:58,840
carriers to that means war. They ran like nigga, do

3131
03:43:58,879 --> 03:44:02,000
you not remember there were fucking three aircraft carriers shooting

3132
03:44:02,000 --> 03:44:05,399
at the Houthis like two months before Donald Trump got elected.

3133
03:44:06,040 --> 03:44:07,920
They leave because they ran out of AMMO, and they

3134
03:44:07,959 --> 03:44:12,440
come back, and this is now some indicator like do

3135
03:44:12,520 --> 03:44:15,079
we just forget the three aircraft carriers were already there

3136
03:44:15,719 --> 03:44:19,079
shooting at the Houthis and then they leave and now

3137
03:44:19,079 --> 03:44:21,440
they come back, and this this is the signal that

3138
03:44:21,479 --> 03:44:23,600
he meets like, I mean, come on, it's like the

3139
03:44:23,639 --> 03:44:30,680
pants wedding is ridiculous. Like those fucking aircraft carriers already there,

3140
03:44:30,959 --> 03:44:32,799
they just fucking ran out of bullets.

3141
03:44:33,559 --> 03:44:36,079
Speaker 3: And the air operations have been ongoing against the Hoothies

3142
03:44:36,120 --> 03:44:39,079
for years as well without resolution.

3143
03:44:40,920 --> 03:44:45,639
Speaker 2: Pete, how many times have you heard of Scott Horton

3144
03:44:46,920 --> 03:44:50,000
freaking out about what the US is doing in Yemen

3145
03:44:51,159 --> 03:44:52,280
on behalf of the southeast?

3146
03:44:53,559 --> 03:45:01,920
Speaker 1: Uh? I mean at least since twenty fifteen, like every week, yep.

3147
03:45:02,239 --> 03:45:04,440
Speaker 2: And who do we really need onside right now? This

3148
03:45:04,600 --> 03:45:10,239
pretend Israel doesn't exist? Russia's God do we need on side?

3149
03:45:11,440 --> 03:45:14,000
We need? Russia's got twenty percent of global oil supply

3150
03:45:14,040 --> 03:45:15,959
and supply. Who do we need onside right now?

3151
03:45:17,639 --> 03:45:17,719
Speaker 3: Is?

3152
03:45:18,559 --> 03:45:24,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if this is what's happening, but

3153
03:45:24,319 --> 03:45:26,799
well there's a very close. We've been doing this shit

3154
03:45:26,840 --> 03:45:27,639
already for forever.

3155
03:45:28,399 --> 03:45:31,040
Speaker 3: And during Trump's first administration, there was a very close

3156
03:45:31,120 --> 03:45:33,520
tie between the Saudis and the Trump's I mean, it's

3157
03:45:33,600 --> 03:45:37,200
just it's you know, all kinds of stuff. There was

3158
03:45:37,239 --> 03:45:39,760
a lot of then the key things to watch in

3159
03:45:39,799 --> 03:45:43,559
that relationship were not just like these diplomatic measures, like

3160
03:45:43,639 --> 03:45:46,239
the US was making appearances in all these different economic

3161
03:45:46,319 --> 03:45:49,000
forums that were being held in Saudi Arabia, and I

3162
03:45:49,239 --> 03:45:50,920
It's been a long time because this was you know,

3163
03:45:51,719 --> 03:45:55,600
Trump's first term. But you know, if I re call

3164
03:45:55,680 --> 03:45:59,360
that kind of relationship, and didn't you mention at one point,

3165
03:45:59,360 --> 03:46:02,399
Stormy that like that's where most of Trump's money comes

3166
03:46:02,399 --> 03:46:03,879
from is the Saudis.

3167
03:46:04,479 --> 03:46:11,360
Speaker 2: Uh Saudis, Russians and the US people. It's so Trump now,

3168
03:46:12,040 --> 03:46:16,840
it's it's it's a combination. But to Pete's point, back

3169
03:46:16,879 --> 03:46:19,000
in the day, it was the Saudi like basically who

3170
03:46:19,079 --> 03:46:21,760
helped Donald Trump the entrepreneur. It was the Saudis and

3171
03:46:21,760 --> 03:46:29,120
the Russians. Oh shit, fuck Pete, remember when I told

3172
03:46:29,159 --> 03:46:32,520
you that the the Egyptians moved all those tanks to

3173
03:46:32,559 --> 03:46:38,079
the Israeli border. Yes, I wonder if Russia were to

3174
03:46:38,120 --> 03:46:41,360
have like I wonder if Russia has a lot of

3175
03:46:41,399 --> 03:46:45,600
ties inside the Egyptian military. Still, well, you.

3176
03:46:45,600 --> 03:46:48,399
Speaker 1: Got that from Martin Armstrong, right, Martin Armstrong. I think

3177
03:46:48,600 --> 03:46:50,520
I was listening to the same show when he was

3178
03:46:50,559 --> 03:46:54,360
talking about that, uh.

3179
03:46:53,639 --> 03:46:56,680
Speaker 2: The Egypt thing. The young person i've I've heard about

3180
03:46:56,680 --> 03:47:00,399
the tanks is McGregor. Okay, but that I went and

3181
03:47:00,520 --> 03:47:03,920
checked it out in Israeli papers and guess what. Guess

3182
03:47:03,959 --> 03:47:08,360
what fucking tanks they are. They're like two, they're like

3183
03:47:08,399 --> 03:47:10,840
something like I think it was like either fifteen hundred

3184
03:47:10,920 --> 03:47:15,959
or two thousand and fifty thousand supporting troops got moved

3185
03:47:15,959 --> 03:47:20,079
to the Israeli border. But they're M one Abrams tanks.

3186
03:47:22,280 --> 03:47:25,879
Egypt's got unbeknownst to me, I didn't fucking know, but

3187
03:47:26,280 --> 03:47:33,520
they've got like several, like you know, more than a thousand,

3188
03:47:33,760 --> 03:47:38,440
less than like eight thousand M one Abrams tanks. Apparently

3189
03:47:38,520 --> 03:47:43,120
Egypt's been getting a lot of aid, and some of

3190
03:47:43,159 --> 03:47:45,879
it it likes to receive in tanks, and the other

3191
03:47:46,120 --> 03:47:49,040
likes to receive in dollars to give Russia for green

3192
03:47:50,959 --> 03:47:54,000
So as CC has been starving his people, he's damned

3193
03:47:54,000 --> 03:48:00,559
sure been stocking up on tanks. Anyways, I know we

3194
03:48:00,559 --> 03:48:02,000
were supposed to wrap this up, but I think we

3195
03:48:02,079 --> 03:48:06,239
just I think I just took us further downfield. I

3196
03:48:06,280 --> 03:48:09,719
would be interested, though, in hearing you and Filo tie

3197
03:48:09,760 --> 03:48:14,280
the Breneese thing together into United Fruit, because that is

3198
03:48:14,319 --> 03:48:16,280
a rabbit hole I have not gone down.

3199
03:48:18,479 --> 03:48:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can. You and I can do that one

3200
03:48:21,959 --> 03:48:24,000
on our own.

3201
03:48:23,799 --> 03:48:27,280
Speaker 2: I'm happy to join, but I'm gonna give me.

3202
03:48:27,280 --> 03:48:29,040
Speaker 3: The rundown if you have time.

3203
03:48:30,440 --> 03:48:33,399
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean we're still probably gonna want to

3204
03:48:33,399 --> 03:48:35,239
do it. I mean two minutes is nothing.

3205
03:48:35,719 --> 03:48:38,520
Speaker 2: No, especially if Edward fucking Brene is involved.

3206
03:48:39,600 --> 03:48:40,520
Speaker 3: Yep, that's truth.

3207
03:48:43,239 --> 03:48:45,680
Speaker 2: I'd say this is probably more dangerous now than it

3208
03:48:45,719 --> 03:48:48,680
ever was at the height of Russia Ukraine under Biden.

3209
03:48:49,760 --> 03:48:51,639
I'd probably say this is we're This is probably the

3210
03:48:51,639 --> 03:48:52,680
most dangerous it's.

3211
03:48:52,479 --> 03:48:58,319
Speaker 3: Been and we haven't even touched like the the tariff

3212
03:48:58,440 --> 03:49:00,879
negotiations and the all that other stuff.

3213
03:49:02,200 --> 03:49:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think the Russia China thing is actually

3214
03:49:04,319 --> 03:49:05,559
as strong as everyone thinks of this.

3215
03:49:08,799 --> 03:49:11,719
Speaker 3: They've always been like allies of a geographic convenience.

3216
03:49:13,479 --> 03:49:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how's the China. How's the China thing going

3217
03:49:17,719 --> 03:49:24,520
to happen? Though? China? You know, basically says that anything

3218
03:49:24,559 --> 03:49:27,360
that goes into Taiwan has to come through China first.

3219
03:49:29,079 --> 03:49:33,799
US says that's unacceptable. Who knows what the hell happens

3220
03:49:33,840 --> 03:49:34,239
from there?

3221
03:49:35,600 --> 03:49:38,920
Speaker 2: That's a very I mean, yeah, So this is actually

3222
03:49:38,920 --> 03:49:44,360
why I think you see the Trump administration not only

3223
03:49:44,399 --> 03:49:47,280
not buckling when the stock market was freaking out, but

3224
03:49:47,360 --> 03:49:52,920
barely saying words like Scott bessn't uh, that's Scott or

3225
03:49:52,959 --> 03:49:56,000
Stephen Beston. I always confused it to Scott Scott Scott

3226
03:49:56,559 --> 03:49:59,479
So Scott besnt ran out on Tucker first, kind of

3227
03:49:59,520 --> 03:50:04,040
like because if you think like that that Tucker episode

3228
03:50:04,040 --> 03:50:06,520
that you sent me with him, all right, you sent

3229
03:50:06,559 --> 03:50:08,559
me that on the day that the market started tanking,

3230
03:50:08,959 --> 03:50:10,799
all right, But there's no way that they recorded that

3231
03:50:11,239 --> 03:50:12,959
on the day that the market started tanking and got

3232
03:50:13,000 --> 03:50:15,280
it out in like three hours, because the market was

3233
03:50:15,280 --> 03:50:18,079
tanking right from the fucking open. So unless you know

3234
03:50:18,200 --> 03:50:20,000
they were recording it at four in the morning and

3235
03:50:20,120 --> 03:50:22,440
edited it or whatever, like, no, that was recorded the

3236
03:50:22,520 --> 03:50:26,559
day before, right. But ever since then, there's been very

3237
03:50:26,600 --> 03:50:30,840
little communication out of the Trump administration about any of

3238
03:50:30,879 --> 03:50:37,879
the shit that's happened. And in the interim, has anybody

3239
03:50:37,920 --> 03:50:40,920
been watched. I've seen a ton of news articles about,

3240
03:50:40,920 --> 03:50:44,559
oh my god, China is tank is dumping US treasuries

3241
03:50:45,559 --> 03:50:49,079
sixty billion in treasuries. First off, China does that shit

3242
03:50:49,120 --> 03:50:51,559
every quarter. It's not a big deal. It's roughly the

3243
03:50:51,559 --> 03:50:53,399
same number that it's always been doing it every quarter.

3244
03:50:53,639 --> 03:50:56,520
And the bigger news is that Europe is actually the

3245
03:50:56,520 --> 03:51:00,600
one gobbling them up. In fact, like god, gobbling up,

3246
03:51:01,239 --> 03:51:04,719
trying to gobble up eighty billion when there's only sixty

3247
03:51:04,760 --> 03:51:07,079
billion being sold, right, So like that's that's not the

3248
03:51:07,120 --> 03:51:11,120
big news. The big news is the fucking Renman b

3249
03:51:12,159 --> 03:51:18,319
Jesus Christ. Like I haven't seen it like really reported anywhere,

3250
03:51:18,360 --> 03:51:20,319
but like unless you're watching it on the tick, like

3251
03:51:20,399 --> 03:51:25,840
unless you're watching like the Bloomberg feed or like the chart,

3252
03:51:26,200 --> 03:51:31,159
China's currency's falling off a fucking cliff, like really really, really,

3253
03:51:31,200 --> 03:51:34,879
really crazy.

3254
03:51:34,959 --> 03:51:37,159
Speaker 1: So I wonder if are you talking about the Are

3255
03:51:37,159 --> 03:51:38,280
you talking about the one?

3256
03:51:38,959 --> 03:51:39,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

3257
03:51:39,920 --> 03:51:41,520
Speaker 1: I think it started coming back today.

3258
03:51:42,159 --> 03:51:42,680
Speaker 2: Oh did it?

3259
03:51:43,399 --> 03:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it started coming back today.

3260
03:51:45,159 --> 03:51:48,200
Speaker 3: I'm seeing that there was a huge drop on the thirteenth.

3261
03:51:49,399 --> 03:51:53,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're watching that, you're watching this the fucking Chinese currency.

3262
03:51:54,399 --> 03:51:57,399
They have two currencies, yep. The one is the external

3263
03:51:57,399 --> 03:52:00,600
one that they used to trade with other countries. And

3264
03:52:00,600 --> 03:52:04,040
I think the Redman B is the internal one. And

3265
03:52:04,120 --> 03:52:09,120
my friend like Redman B. There we go.

3266
03:52:10,280 --> 03:52:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, another wand right now the wand since the sense

3267
03:52:16,000 --> 03:52:21,040
of clothes of our markets dropping is dropping hard.

3268
03:52:21,479 --> 03:52:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you might be right, Pete,

3269
03:52:26,319 --> 03:52:29,120
but I think maybe we may be firing the first shots.

3270
03:52:32,799 --> 03:52:35,360
Speaker 3: Forgive my ignorance of a trade war between the US

3271
03:52:35,399 --> 03:52:36,360
and China, Like.

3272
03:52:37,959 --> 03:52:39,399
Speaker 1: No, let's.

3273
03:52:40,680 --> 03:52:41,840
Speaker 2: I think it's the currency war.

3274
03:52:41,920 --> 03:52:42,079
Speaker 1: Man.

3275
03:52:42,079 --> 03:52:44,879
Speaker 2: We're trying to destabilize them. You don't fuck with the

3276
03:52:44,920 --> 03:52:48,000
internal currency unless you're trying to destabilize the nation itself.

3277
03:52:48,520 --> 03:52:51,959
Mm hmm, right, because what he has been acting fucking insane.

3278
03:52:53,440 --> 03:52:54,280
Speaker 1: But think about it.

3279
03:52:54,719 --> 03:52:58,000
Speaker 2: He's fired all the military brass and replaced them like

3280
03:52:58,040 --> 03:53:00,000
in the last three or four months. It barely got

3281
03:53:00,079 --> 03:53:03,159
reported on, but he has been acting generals and replacing

3282
03:53:03,200 --> 03:53:08,520
them like crazy. Oh yeah shit, yeah, the Redmen B.

3283
03:53:09,719 --> 03:53:12,559
The dollar gained on the Redmen B. What is this?

3284
03:53:16,760 --> 03:53:19,360
Speaker 1: What is that? That's the internal the internal currency?

3285
03:53:19,440 --> 03:53:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I can't remember where Yeah,

3286
03:53:22,559 --> 03:53:25,200
the CNY, I can't remember which one it is. But

3287
03:53:27,280 --> 03:53:33,559
is this right? Is that really does that really? Say? Yeah, okay,

3288
03:53:33,559 --> 03:53:37,360
so it's a couple points, and they keep in mind everyone,

3289
03:53:37,799 --> 03:53:40,159
a couple percentage points doesn't sound like a big deal

3290
03:53:40,840 --> 03:53:44,680
in currency. But the reason that four X traders are

3291
03:53:44,719 --> 03:53:48,799
always blowing up is because four X moves so little

3292
03:53:49,719 --> 03:53:51,600
that they have to trade with one hundred and a

3293
03:53:51,680 --> 03:53:56,000
thousand times leverage to make any money at all. So

3294
03:53:56,520 --> 03:54:00,719
these guys are trading, you know, fractions, a fraction of

3295
03:54:00,719 --> 03:54:05,200
a percent, which generally would be absolutely worthless unless you

3296
03:54:05,280 --> 03:54:10,280
leverage yourself a thousand acts. So like a currency moving three,

3297
03:54:10,440 --> 03:54:14,079
four or five percent would be like a stock moving

3298
03:54:16,159 --> 03:54:20,879
like fifty eighty percent in a day. It would be huge.

3299
03:54:22,639 --> 03:54:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because times they collapse really fast. If you look

3300
03:54:26,440 --> 03:54:33,319
at the five day chart on the lawn, the offshore

3301
03:54:33,920 --> 03:54:41,600
lawn has recovered, but the uh, the internal is not

3302
03:54:41,719 --> 03:54:45,760
doing well at all, and they're both at fourteen cents

3303
03:54:45,799 --> 03:54:47,120
to the US dollar.

3304
03:54:48,040 --> 03:54:50,920
Speaker 3: The offshore room and be recorded an all time low

3305
03:54:51,559 --> 03:54:56,879
on Wednesday, slightly strengthened. The onshore is its weakest level

3306
03:54:56,879 --> 03:55:00,959
in almost eighteen years. That just happened in the last hour.

3307
03:55:02,520 --> 03:55:06,639
Speaker 1: Now here's the here's where you have to be careful.

3308
03:55:09,559 --> 03:55:11,959
You have to know what you're doing in this because

3309
03:55:13,719 --> 03:55:18,079
these people are fucking crazy, and I'm one of these

3310
03:55:18,159 --> 03:55:22,120
people who believes that they can turn our fucking lights.

3311
03:55:21,840 --> 03:55:28,440
Speaker 2: Out yeap China, Yes, yeah, yeah. I urge everybody to

3312
03:55:28,600 --> 03:55:31,079
look at the North Korean satellite that has a very

3313
03:55:31,159 --> 03:55:34,520
it's I think it's their only satellite. It doesn't take

3314
03:55:34,520 --> 03:55:38,559
any pictures, doesn't do anything all right, but has a

3315
03:55:38,639 --> 03:55:43,239
very peculiar orbit that would be pretty much useless as

3316
03:55:43,280 --> 03:55:47,079
a satellite unless that satellite was anything other than electromagnetic

3317
03:55:47,079 --> 03:55:50,399
pulse device. It also happens to be at the perfect

3318
03:55:50,399 --> 03:55:55,559
altitude that one would And unless anybody believes that North

3319
03:55:55,639 --> 03:56:02,200
Korea would that ump themselves, you can believe that North

3320
03:56:02,239 --> 03:56:06,799
Korea whipped that up themselves, and that's not actually Chinese.

3321
03:56:07,520 --> 03:56:10,000
But if you do believe that, you also have to

3322
03:56:11,319 --> 03:56:15,120
believe that China would have at least if North Korea

3323
03:56:15,159 --> 03:56:18,639
has one, China's got more than one. And remember that

3324
03:56:18,760 --> 03:56:21,520
Chinese satellite that went and was like eating other satellites

3325
03:56:21,920 --> 03:56:24,319
back in the day. This was like last year or

3326
03:56:24,319 --> 03:56:29,120
two years ago. It literally like was going or it

3327
03:56:29,159 --> 03:56:31,559
was the satellite. It's actually really crazy. Everybody wants to

3328
03:56:31,559 --> 03:56:34,440
look into it. It was big news. China had a

3329
03:56:34,479 --> 03:56:38,639
satellite that was zipping around and basically crunching other satellites.

3330
03:56:40,079 --> 03:56:43,559
Speaker 3: Huh.

3331
03:56:43,600 --> 03:56:48,159
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe, you know, we want to talk not

3332
03:56:48,319 --> 03:56:52,079
talk about it that this is rhetorical. You know, maybe

3333
03:56:52,200 --> 03:56:54,520
someone wants to talk about the fact that there are

3334
03:56:54,520 --> 03:57:00,200
two hundred and fifty thousand Chinese nationals in our universe

3335
03:57:00,200 --> 03:57:02,280
cities at this very moment.

3336
03:57:02,840 --> 03:57:09,040
Speaker 3: M every time, every couple of weeks they get busted

3337
03:57:09,079 --> 03:57:11,440
in the military for leaking information.

3338
03:57:13,600 --> 03:57:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we need to be racist

3339
03:57:15,319 --> 03:57:17,159
as a matter of national security because it seems that

3340
03:57:17,200 --> 03:57:20,000
all the leaks and all the people that get caught

3341
03:57:20,120 --> 03:57:23,639
doing espionage all have a name like Shing Chang Chong, Like,

3342
03:57:23,719 --> 03:57:27,799
holy shit, who could have seen that coming? Wait? How

3343
03:57:27,799 --> 03:57:32,840
do we how do we find the Chinese moles get

3344
03:57:32,840 --> 03:57:33,280
the roster?

3345
03:57:33,440 --> 03:57:37,079
Speaker 1: You know, the you know, the whole leaguer thing was

3346
03:57:37,120 --> 03:57:42,000
the biggest fucking distraction. It was the distraction against all

3347
03:57:42,040 --> 03:57:45,600
of this. It was it was to distract us. Oh,

3348
03:57:45,680 --> 03:57:50,000
we have to worry about these these like literal terrorists

3349
03:57:50,440 --> 03:57:53,360
who were caught into in the summer of two thousand

3350
03:57:53,399 --> 03:57:59,600
and one training with the CIA in Afghanistan, and you

3351
03:57:59,799 --> 03:58:05,079
get to be sent back to China to disrupt them,

3352
03:58:05,200 --> 03:58:08,239
And yeah, sure that's something to think about. But no,

3353
03:58:08,399 --> 03:58:14,000
it's when you when you start fucking with a country

3354
03:58:14,000 --> 03:58:16,200
that has a billion people. And then I heard somebody

3355
03:58:16,239 --> 03:58:18,239
the other day arguing they don't have a billion people.

3356
03:58:18,239 --> 03:58:22,079
That's a lie. I don't care when you start talking

3357
03:58:22,079 --> 03:58:27,280
with their Yeah, do you when you start fucking with

3358
03:58:27,360 --> 03:58:37,360
their currency to people that have no god other than Machiavelianism,

3359
03:58:38,280 --> 03:58:39,120
watch the fuck out?

3360
03:58:40,079 --> 03:58:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many Americans do we have embedded in Chinese

3361
03:58:42,879 --> 03:58:44,280
institutions within China?

3362
03:58:46,040 --> 03:58:48,559
Speaker 2: I bet you'll be really easy to find and.

3363
03:58:49,120 --> 03:58:51,520
Speaker 3: Can freely conduct business and communication.

3364
03:58:52,000 --> 03:58:59,840
Speaker 2: They're both named Tim Walltz go into that.

3365
03:59:00,559 --> 03:59:04,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's absolutely insane that this open, this open

3366
03:59:04,840 --> 03:59:09,200
society this oh, and America is an idea. Anybody can

3367
03:59:09,239 --> 03:59:14,079
come here and be an American. Oh oh, how important

3368
03:59:14,079 --> 03:59:17,600
it is to have to bring to bring foreigners here

3369
03:59:18,159 --> 03:59:21,200
to educate them in our universities so they can see

3370
03:59:21,200 --> 03:59:23,520
how nice we are and how you know they can

3371
03:59:23,559 --> 03:59:24,440
fall in love with the.

3372
03:59:24,399 --> 03:59:27,360
Speaker 2: American and put them in our military.

3373
03:59:28,040 --> 03:59:30,479
Speaker 1: How about wet how about we how about we just

3374
03:59:30,520 --> 03:59:32,719
by default don't trust anyone?

3375
03:59:33,479 --> 03:59:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd that work out?

3376
03:59:34,440 --> 03:59:37,760
Speaker 1: With and we'll start off with about one hundred and

3377
03:59:37,799 --> 03:59:40,200
fifty to two hundred million Americans right now.

3378
03:59:41,159 --> 03:59:45,440
Speaker 2: Yep. And you want I can't remember whose article it

3379
03:59:45,600 --> 03:59:48,360
was it was either shit. I want to make sure

3380
03:59:48,360 --> 03:59:51,280
I give credit where credit is due. But actually I'm

3381
03:59:51,319 --> 03:59:52,719
not even going to say who wrote it. I'm just

3382
03:59:52,719 --> 03:59:55,360
going to refer people back to your episode about the

3383
03:59:55,399 --> 03:59:59,360
recruitment crisis. I can't remember who wrote that article that

3384
03:59:59,399 --> 04:00:02,600
you had on, but I thought it was that article

3385
04:00:02,680 --> 04:00:04,959
to a lot of people that, let's put it this way,

3386
04:00:05,000 --> 04:00:10,239
would be in positions of, you know, in the type

3387
04:00:10,280 --> 04:00:11,959
of people that would be able to have influence on

3388
04:00:12,000 --> 04:00:15,479
that policy inside the DoD or at least how long

3389
04:00:15,680 --> 04:00:19,799
bring out the people's attention? It was insanely well written.

3390
04:00:21,200 --> 04:00:22,680
Speaker 1: How long ago is that episode?

3391
04:00:24,639 --> 04:00:25,479
Speaker 2: Over a year ago?

3392
04:00:25,879 --> 04:00:29,000
Speaker 1: This would it was lee Enfield? Yeah, and it was

3393
04:00:29,000 --> 04:00:31,200
an army war. It was an army war college paper.

3394
04:00:33,319 --> 04:00:35,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, about the draft or something like that.

3395
04:00:36,159 --> 04:00:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, about how we have about how if we

3396
04:00:39,440 --> 04:00:41,760
would have went up against Russia and Ukraine the way

3397
04:00:41,840 --> 04:00:44,239
Ukraine went up against Russia, we would have been out

3398
04:00:44,239 --> 04:00:46,559
of soldiers in twenty nine days.

3399
04:00:47,000 --> 04:00:50,680
Speaker 2: Yep. That's the one that's the one, but particularly in

3400
04:00:50,719 --> 04:00:53,479
that article or in the conversation the two of you had,

3401
04:00:55,680 --> 04:01:00,959
he dropped a fact about the ethnic makeup of men

3402
04:01:01,000 --> 04:01:05,559
that enlist under combat arms and then being like ninety

3403
04:01:05,600 --> 04:01:09,559
three percent a certain type. Yeah. So if you were

3404
04:01:09,559 --> 04:01:12,319
to reduce the population to one hundred and fifty two

3405
04:01:12,360 --> 04:01:15,360
hundred million, like you just said, the amount of fighting

3406
04:01:15,399 --> 04:01:17,719
men that we would lose would be zero.

3407
04:01:18,799 --> 04:01:19,079
Speaker 1: Yep.

3408
04:01:20,239 --> 04:01:22,600
Speaker 3: It's why Eric Prince is going on about the uh

3409
04:01:23,280 --> 04:01:26,520
the tip to tail, the sorry, the teeth to tail ratio,

3410
04:01:27,200 --> 04:01:29,920
and that's certain that's why he's talking with Trump.

3411
04:01:31,000 --> 04:01:33,479
Speaker 2: It's the tail ratio where all of the all of

3412
04:01:33,520 --> 04:01:40,000
the uh, the DMV workers exist.

3413
04:01:40,559 --> 04:01:41,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

3414
04:01:42,239 --> 04:01:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting, man. I don't like,

3415
04:01:46,719 --> 04:01:50,079
I know, I've been kind of hyperbolic in the past

3416
04:01:51,360 --> 04:01:54,200
about like what's coming down the pike, but I really

3417
04:01:54,280 --> 04:01:58,440
think right now and like I know, there's literally like

3418
04:01:58,479 --> 04:02:01,079
I got a lot of commentators in our sphere basically

3419
04:02:01,079 --> 04:02:02,840
saying like, oh, it's like a slow news day and

3420
04:02:03,000 --> 04:02:06,200
we don't have a fuck all to talk about. I've

3421
04:02:06,200 --> 04:02:11,719
been kind of absent on Twitter and in the discourse

3422
04:02:12,000 --> 04:02:15,360
for like two or three weeks, but this is probably

3423
04:02:15,360 --> 04:02:21,719
the most not depressed, I would say, but like spiritually

3424
04:02:21,799 --> 04:02:26,639
apprehensive period I've had that I can remember in like

3425
04:02:26,680 --> 04:02:32,840
the last five years, like to where like the amount

3426
04:02:32,879 --> 04:02:37,840
of times that I pray is an order of magnitude

3427
04:02:37,879 --> 04:02:41,559
higher than it was pretty much any time in the

3428
04:02:41,639 --> 04:02:45,440
last five or six years. It just it feels like

3429
04:02:45,479 --> 04:02:49,239
something bad is gonna happen. Man, it really does, and

3430
04:02:51,000 --> 04:02:52,680
was at least the most dangerous.

3431
04:02:53,479 --> 04:02:55,559
Speaker 1: If what if it is what you and I were

3432
04:02:55,600 --> 04:02:56,840
texting about, then.

3433
04:02:59,079 --> 04:03:04,280
Speaker 2: That help us, Yes, God help us all. And you

3434
04:03:04,319 --> 04:03:06,799
know what's really crazy is that every other person at

3435
04:03:06,840 --> 04:03:12,120
the decision making table outside of Donald Trump is basically

3436
04:03:12,799 --> 04:03:17,639
fighting for the worst case scenario to happen. Europe, they're

3437
04:03:17,680 --> 04:03:21,239
fighting for the worst case scenario to happen, and at

3438
04:03:21,319 --> 04:03:24,360
least Israel fighting for the worst case scenario to happen.

3439
04:03:25,719 --> 04:03:28,600
Half of our fucking government fighting for the worst case

3440
04:03:28,639 --> 04:03:29,479
scenario to happen.

3441
04:03:30,719 --> 04:03:34,520
Speaker 1: Yea, And I question, I really question the people who

3442
04:03:34,520 --> 04:03:37,680
are in charge right now. I didn't talk about that

3443
04:03:37,799 --> 04:03:41,440
signal leak when it came out because it was turned

3444
04:03:41,440 --> 04:03:48,879
into slops so quickly. But the talk about the oh

3445
04:03:48,920 --> 04:03:51,200
we're tracking this guy, Oh he's going to visit his

3446
04:03:51,239 --> 04:03:53,600
girlfriend in this building. All right, we'll just drop a

3447
04:03:53,639 --> 04:03:55,280
bomba in this building. Hey, way to go.

3448
04:03:56,520 --> 04:03:59,360
Speaker 3: Where's the crisis of conscience? I mean to tie it

3449
04:03:59,399 --> 04:04:01,479
back to the doll thing. If you read these guys,

3450
04:04:02,079 --> 04:04:05,879
everyone in a position of major authority within the agency,

3451
04:04:06,159 --> 04:04:11,120
these men had deep metaphysical convictions and a lot of

3452
04:04:11,200 --> 04:04:15,440
weight to their you know, their ethical decision making processes.

3453
04:04:16,000 --> 04:04:19,319
I mean, looking at this administration, every everyone fixates on

3454
04:04:19,360 --> 04:04:22,639
the wrong angle. They focus on the like op sec

3455
04:04:22,760 --> 04:04:25,280
involved of the chat and yeah, sure I agree, But

3456
04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:29,239
the big problem is there's not a single person it's

3457
04:04:29,319 --> 04:04:31,760
asking in that chat, Hey, is this the right thing

3458
04:04:31,799 --> 04:04:36,159
to do? Should we be doing this? Right? You always

3459
04:04:36,200 --> 04:04:38,319
need to red team it.

3460
04:04:38,319 --> 04:04:41,879
Speaker 2: It was also kind of brilliant though not gonna lie right,

3461
04:04:41,879 --> 04:04:44,280
So if you remember the person who is the person

3462
04:04:44,319 --> 04:04:46,319
that brought in that.

3463
04:04:45,639 --> 04:04:51,280
Speaker 3: That reporter, Mike Waltz Alec Mike Waltz.

3464
04:04:53,799 --> 04:04:59,520
Speaker 2: Wasn't he like the third pick for what is he

3465
04:04:59,639 --> 04:05:00,399
the uh?

3466
04:05:01,239 --> 04:05:04,120
Speaker 1: He's the security as.

3467
04:05:04,920 --> 04:05:08,440
Speaker 2: Everybody should look back at the previous two people that

3468
04:05:08,520 --> 04:05:15,559
Trump and Tulsi. Tulsi wanted for her second in command.

3469
04:05:17,000 --> 04:05:20,159
They were both shot down. You know, choice number one

3470
04:05:20,200 --> 04:05:22,520
and choice number two were shot down for not being

3471
04:05:22,559 --> 04:05:28,479
anti Israel, but just not being pro Israel enough. And

3472
04:05:28,600 --> 04:05:32,920
this guy was number three that basically sailed through the

3473
04:05:32,920 --> 04:05:39,879
Senate confirmation in like an hour. So if you wanted,

3474
04:05:39,959 --> 04:05:42,159
if you thought you had a leaker that wasn't playing

3475
04:05:42,200 --> 04:05:47,319
for the team. And this guy has been vocally anti

3476
04:05:47,440 --> 04:05:52,479
Trump in the past and is a huge fan of

3477
04:05:52,920 --> 04:05:58,159
you know, the levant. Could you imagine like an easier

3478
04:05:58,200 --> 04:06:01,600
way of like just waiting, like letting that guy out

3479
04:06:01,680 --> 04:06:05,520
himself because all of it, all the media attention has

3480
04:06:05,559 --> 04:06:09,639
been on heg Seth, right, and all of the basically

3481
04:06:09,760 --> 04:06:13,959
everybody that the media has already hated already, and nobody

3482
04:06:14,000 --> 04:06:16,159
seems none of the media wants to talk about the

3483
04:06:16,200 --> 04:06:18,680
guy that actually brought the journalist in.

3484
04:06:23,399 --> 04:06:24,239
Speaker 3: No, I'm seeing all.

3485
04:06:24,719 --> 04:06:27,840
Speaker 2: That conversation is being had inside the Trump administration.

3486
04:06:29,280 --> 04:06:32,200
Speaker 3: He was also the guy pushing the the weaker stuff

3487
04:06:33,479 --> 04:06:37,680
in twenty one. And yeah, I agree with you that

3488
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you know heg Seth is, I mean, he's just like

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a line officer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I literally think Pet's Pete's interpreted. Pete's take on

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heg Seth initial was the best, and I think it's

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the one that holds true the most.

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Speaker 1: What did I say?

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Speaker 2: This is this is a guy that's not qualified for

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the job, and he's there because he is loyal to

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Donald Trump and no one else.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's that's a lot of the people

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around him. But you know, when it comes to that

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signal chat. Dave Smith was on Joe Rogan the other

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day and he was talking about that, and he said,

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do any of these people fear God?

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Speaker 2: Does he?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're dropping everyone in that chat, including a Catholic,

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including a Hindu, and including Protestants. We're celebrating dropping a

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bomb on a fucking apartment building to kill one guy

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that they thought may have something to do with something.

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Speaker 2: I wonder.

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Speaker 1: This is what This is what happens to you when

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your country is taken over by fucking Zionists. You become

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just like them. No morality, you don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the same point, yep. You can only watch so

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much of what we've been forced to watch without being changed.

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All right, We're watching dehumanizing acts, saying how unhuman the

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perpetrators of these acts are, but it has an effect

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on us. You don't watch the dehumanizing of someone else,

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large wonds of people without being dehumanized yourself. Right, we

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are all less for what has been happening in Gaza.

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Whether you want to say, oh, well, you know you side.

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But if I hear like anybody, I mean Pete knows

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like uh me personally, anybody that wants to call me

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a third world this, I will happily invite you to

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come call me that. And that's not what I'm talking about. Like,

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you can't watch what we've been forced to watch with

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out being dehumanized yourself, Like everyone's value of human life

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has been cheapened now for just having been witnessed to it.

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I firmly believe that because we've all been forced to

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abide evil as a country, as individuals, we've been forced

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to look away, whether we have no other choice but two,

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or whether we've actively doing it like the people in

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our government, right, like I think you are, you are

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spiritually lessened by having abided it. And I don't know

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what the long term effects of it are, but I

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really think that everyone has become less for having been

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forced literally forced like like the fuck like clockwork orange,

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our eyes taped open, watching what happens or watching what's

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04:10:22,399 --> 04:10:25,799
been happening. You don't you don't do that without you

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don't you don't watch what we've had to watch, eyes

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taped open, right, not being able to fucking look away

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from it and not be changed.

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Speaker 3: One thing that really bothers me is when I see

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Trump administration officials lie while wearing a cross. I have

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a big problem with that. And I also have a

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big problem with the lack of any kind of shame.

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I mean, I mean and every you know, I agree

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with everyone on the journalist thing, but you should need

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to have an answer for when a journalist asks you

3547
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a hard question about ethics, and I think you have

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a huge obligation as a Christian to answer honestly and

3549
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truthfully and thoughtfully. Uh, when you kill someone or when

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04:11:21,520 --> 04:11:25,079
you order someone's death, you need an answer beyond deflecting.

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And it just it really rubs me the wrong way

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that people can lie we'll wearing cross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I only wish these journalists weren't atheists, like fucking retards,

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because I think a better question to be thrown at

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any of these assholes, where do your actions honor God? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: All right, that's that's it, and that's that's the end

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right there. That's that's your actions honor God, that's the

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end right there. Anybody want to promote anything.

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Speaker 2: Nothing to promote, no, nothing to celebrate either, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, gentlemen, thank you so much, and let's

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do it again real soon.

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Speaker 2: Fuck man. Yeah, it's fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,