WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.679 --> 00:00:04.440 Golf Smarter number four hundred and twenty eight, published on 2 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:06.440 March eighteen, twenty fourteen. 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:11.640 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.240 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:21.280 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction never gets old. Our 6 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:26.160 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:29.800 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:33.679 The USGA's Rules of Golf is very hard to read, 9 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:39.439 but by design it is the legal explanation of the rules. 10 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.439 And you were talking about difficulty understanding. You know, there's 11 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:45.759 a ball and there's the ball, and they are completely 12 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.600 two different things. Or you have a golfer and the 13 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.640 golf No, technically that's the definition. You know, like I 14 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.960 am the golfer and you are a golfer. The ball 15 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.479 I'm playing is the ball as opposed to the one 16 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:58.359 in my pocket. 17 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:58.719 Which is a ball. 18 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.039 It is very confusing. The usg does a great job 19 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.680 at creating a definition that is the epitome of what 20 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:06.319 it needs to be. 21 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:14.760 The Golf Rules. Stroke Play, a fun and informative book 22 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:15.760 by Richard Todd. 23 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:21.239 This is Golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers 24 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:24.799 and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked 25 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:26.519 for your host, Fred Green. 26 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.239 Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Richard. 27 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:30.879 Hey, Fred, it's great to be on. 28 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:34.799 Thanks, thank you. So you've written this cute little book. 29 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:37.439 But you're not an author, you're not a golf instructor. 30 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.680 You're a guy with a job like all of us. 31 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:45.280 But you had this need to write a book about 32 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:46.840 golf rules. 33 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.680 Why I did? I, Like many golfers, I tried to 34 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.400 get through the USGA's rule book. 35 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:57.599 Uh it's I know, I know. 36 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.439 Well, actually, I guess I should say, like many most 37 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.159 people don't own a copy, let alone crack it open. 38 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:05.879 But I tried several times in my life to get 39 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.000 through the book. And the last time was about three 40 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:13.360 years ago, and I had read the section on tending 41 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:19.599 the flagstick and immediately flashback thirty years to me being 42 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:23.199 a teen and my dad taking me out with his 43 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:25.639 friends for the very first time on the course. You know, 44 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.159 of course, that's one of those wonderful times where you 45 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:33.960 really feel proud because the old man's showing you off 46 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.360 to his friends and the first tea, you know, had 47 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:39.280 the jitters. 48 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:40.199 But kept it in the faraway. 49 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:45.199 You're going, well, I'm on the first green, I'm tending 50 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:48.159 the flagstick. My dad's just off the green, and of 51 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:51.879 course he sculls it. It's going for a bee line 52 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:55.360 for the hole, and I start pulling the stick out 53 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.120 and he starts yelling me to throw it back in 54 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.919 because he's hoping for that ricochet, and of course that 55 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.800 doesn't happen. And what does happen is the ball shoots 56 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.039 right off the green and down the hill because it 57 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.840 was a hilltop green. And at that point he proceeds 58 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.759 to tell me how happy he is that I'm here 59 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.840 intending the flagstick. Everybody in the group heard him. People 60 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.919 on the course I think, heard his comments to me, 61 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.560 And at that point, you know, I'm feeling less than 62 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.159 a caddy, just I shouldn't even be on the course. 63 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.840 So again, flash forward back to thirty years. I read 64 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.879 this section and realize I was right, he was wrong, 65 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:46.199 but it stayed with me for thirty years. At that point, 66 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:48.680 I said, there's got to be a better way of 67 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.240 learning the rules than from somebody telling you, because that 68 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:56.000 somebody generally heard it from somebody else who heard it 69 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:00.159 from somebody else who did not hear it from an 70 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:05.840 authority figure who knows the rules right right, And so 71 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.400 I said, well, that story in itself is a great 72 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.840 example for this rule. Well why don't I do that 73 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:14.680 for all the rules? And one thing led to another, 74 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.920 and three years later we have the Golf. 75 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:23.759 Rules as opposed to the Rules of Golf, which is 76 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.279 the USGA's book. And you know, you're absolutely right. I 77 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.639 have it sitting on my desk, the Rules of Golf, 78 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:35.439 the twenty twelve, twenty fifteen version, and I've never opened 79 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.879 it because a couple of years ago I try, I 80 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:40.959 opened up the rule It's like, you know, I should 81 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.920 know this stuff, and I started in like I can't 82 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:47.360 get through this. I have no idea what they're talking about. 83 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:50.639 You know, it just didn't. It didn't sit with me. 84 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:53.839 I couldn't absorb it. But when I read your book, 85 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:59.040 everything changed all of a sudden, all these rules, everything 86 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:02.519 was in context of a round of golf, and I 87 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.560 started recognizing things that I've been through and that people say, 88 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:08.319 what's the rule on that fred because they think I 89 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:09.160 would know, and I'm. 90 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:15.439 Like, oh, exactly, So, then how how did it come 91 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:23.279 to be that you wrote the book as a story. 92 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:25.959 That first thought of the example, and then I just 93 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:28.680 started putting more and more together, and I'm thinking, well, 94 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:32.279 how can I blend this into a story as opposed 95 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:36.120 to just, you know, two hundred and fifty examples, because 96 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.920 that's out there and that's boring, and it just hit me. 97 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:45.360 So I've been golfing for thirty some years and I've 98 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.279 got lots of experiences, so it wasn't too hard to 99 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:54.439 piece them all together. Although this book, when you talk 100 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:58.199 about writing it, I didn't do it in a real 101 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:02.079 systematic way. I had the rules of or, I had 102 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:07.199 the USGA's Rules of Golf sitting open. I had notes 103 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:11.399 on what I wanted to do. I had the decisions 104 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.680 on the rules of Golf open, and I had a 105 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:15.800 notepad and I wrote this out old school with paper 106 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.879 and pencil, and I'm constantly flipping pages back and forth. 107 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.439 And of course I had scorecards laying around because I 108 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.279 was trying to come up with ideas for whole layouts. 109 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:33.399 And it took a while. But you're right, the USGA's 110 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:39.000 Rules of Golf is very hard to read it, but 111 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:45.439 by design it is the legal explanation of the rules 112 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.959 and you were talking about difficulty understanding. You know, there's 113 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.959 a ball and there's the ball, and they come they 114 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:55.399 are completely two different things. 115 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.199 Or you have a a golfer and the golf. 116 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.079 No, technically that's that's the definitely you know, like I 117 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.720 am the golfer and you are a golfer. The ball 118 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:10.240 I'm playing is the ball as opposed to the one 119 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.439 in my pocket, which is a ball. 120 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.199 Oh my god, that you've just Okay, that clarified that 121 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:16.160 I had no idea. 122 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:22.079 Awesome, Yes, geez, it's very It is very confusing. 123 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.160 You know. The USGA does a great job at creating 124 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:30.839 a definition that, shall we say, is the epitome of 125 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:32.439 what it needs to be. 126 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:33.399 It explains. 127 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.199 As a matter of fact, in two days, I'll be 128 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:40.240 heading up to Detroit for the USGA's rules schools. I'm 129 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.360 putting my little air quotes in the air. It's four 130 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:47.079 days of in depth fun going through the rule book. 131 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:49.800 Oh my gosh. And even after. 132 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:51.480 Does this open to anybody? Can go to this? 133 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:56.240 Yes, you can go to the USG's website sign up they. 134 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.720 Have that will be a party. I can tell you 135 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:00.920 there's gonna be guys who are are gonna just be 136 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:04.040 drinking their break. Really a bunch of guys who are 137 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.079 signing up to go hear about the rules that are. 138 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:12.000 Not it's oh well, it's a it's a diverse group. 139 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:15.920 Last year and you know, I was in Pittsburgh and now, 140 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.040 most of the play people in the room are. 141 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:20.600 Of course pros. 142 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:27.839 There was somebody from the Big Break, individual from the 143 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:32.639 Golf Channel tour. We even had USGA Hall of Fame 144 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:36.600 members in the group as well as tour officials. 145 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.480 So the level is is pretty up there. 146 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.919 Although there was a gentleman that had yet to complete 147 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:45.120 a single round of golf. 148 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:47.679 No, so. 149 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.639 Of course he had the most questions. 150 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.600 Of course, but it's like put it to use, you'll 151 00:08:54.600 --> 00:09:03.320 figure it out. So are you a rules freak? Do 152 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:09.840 you love rules? Do you love golf rules? I do? 153 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:12.519 And also part of my day job is I'm a 154 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:14.000 banking compliance manager. 155 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:16.759 Oh so you're a golf compliance manager. 156 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:19.440 On the course you're putting it. 157 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.960 Yeah, when you're on the courus you are the compliance guy. 158 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:24.639 Yeah yeah. 159 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:27.080 And do you call people out on stuff all the time? 160 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:28.960 No? 161 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.240 That was one of the things that when people heard 162 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:33.759 I was going to the school, They're like, oh, great, 163 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:35.759 you're going to be one of those guys that nobody 164 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:36.559 wants to golf. 165 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.759 With, right, because I won't play with you if that's. 166 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.639 Golf is as you know, it's it's a game for yourself. 167 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.080 Although if I'm playing with three other of my friends 168 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:53.919 and they're rolling their ball out of every divot and 169 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.919 they're not counting strokes in the pond, it's not an 170 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:57.519 even game. 171 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.120 And it's funny. Yeah, yeah, so many people. 172 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:06.519 It's irrelevant of how long you've been playing or how 173 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:10.440 good you're playing knowing the rules. This summer I was 174 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.080 playing with a friend of mine, just so you know. 175 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.519 He's a NASA engineer, so he's no dummy. 176 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.360 He's another so an engineer, so he's another complaint type 177 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:19.639 of guy. 178 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:22.279 Yes, but not about golf. 179 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:26.399 He still has his golf bank he had in high school, 180 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.360 which is he got from his dad. So it's the 181 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:32.960 old leather golf bag and the clubs to match. We 182 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.159 were on the third hole and he put one end 183 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:36.759 of the lake and he looked at me and he says, 184 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.080 what do I do? How do I score? 185 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:43.960 That? He had no idea. Interesting, my dad called me up. 186 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:47.080 My dad's been a scratch golfer He's been on leagues 187 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:50.039 at least twice a week his entire life. One of 188 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.919 his playing partners used to play at Ohio State and 189 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:58.360 he was telling me about being an embedded lie and 190 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:00.320 it took him four strokes to get out and he 191 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:04.240 finished getting onto the green. His playing partner said, well, 192 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:05.960 why didn't you just pick it up and drop it? 193 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:11.080 He goes, I didn't know I could. So you never know, You. 194 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.399 Never know, you never know. Well, now that you said that, 195 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.639 I think it's a good opportunity for a teaching This 196 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:21.440 is a good teaching opportunity. Here tell us what happens 197 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.360 when you hit the ball in the water. 198 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:30.600 Well, there are I believe four options now I write it. 199 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:34.240 I don't have it all quite memorized. Of course you can. 200 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:37.639 You can go back to the tee and play stroking distance. 201 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.000 There's oh I'm having. 202 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.519 A okay, but waite define stroking distance here if you 203 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:48.080 have to go back to the tee. And I see, 204 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.919 I'm obviously had that wrong in my head. I thought 205 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:55.120 stroking distance is you'll take the distance where the ball 206 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.039 went out, you pull it out, you just hit from 207 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:59.200 right there, but you're hitting your third shot. 208 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.440 Is that stroking distance, no stroking distances. You go all 209 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.240 the way back to where you hit it, and you 210 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:05.919 count the stroke. 211 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.399 But so you're going all the way back to where 212 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.519 you hit it from and you're hitting your shot, but 213 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.600 you're not hitting your second shot. You're hitting your third 214 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:18.960 shot correct. You count the penalty, you count the ball 215 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:21.879 in the water, you count pulling it out, and then 216 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.399 you count correct and then you count your next struck. 217 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:26.000 Right, and that that goes. 218 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.120 And let's let's pretend it's lost in the trees and 219 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:33.519 you know a general area where it went in. But 220 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:36.600 if you can't find it within your five minutes, it's a. 221 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:39.360 Lost ball and you have to go back to the 222 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:39.919 tea box. 223 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:45.600 And you know, let's not get into the slow play 224 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:46.279 issue there. 225 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:50.000 Yeah, but or what marshalls do or don't. 226 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:54.480 Do, right, I don't think I've ever seen anybody actually 227 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:59.440 drive back or walk back two hundred yards to the 228 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:00.679 tea box to hit again. 229 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:03.480 You know, Well, that's what a provisional, that's what a 230 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:06.720 provisional is all about. So you hit it, you like, oops, 231 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:09.480 I think it's in the bush, it's in the trees 232 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:11.080 over there, but I don't know if I'm going to 233 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.159 find it, I might, but I'm going to hit another 234 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:18.039 ball just in case I'm hitting. You announced to the group, right, 235 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.399 This is part of the roles, part of the rules. 236 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:22.639 You have to announce to your group. I am hitting 237 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.679 a provisional, which to me, i'm hitting a pro v 238 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.080 one provisional I'm hitting. That's why I won't play with 239 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.919 those balls. It's like I might hitting provisionals. So all right, 240 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:38.639 so now you're hitting the provisional. But if you don't 241 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.440 find the first ball, and you better know what ball 242 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.200 you're playing, then you've got to then you're hitting your 243 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:45.919 third stroke. 244 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:49.639 Yes, okay, exactly. 245 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.559 Glad I have that right. So then what what is 246 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:55.240 when do you get to say, all right, well, I 247 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.120 lost my ball over here, or it's not to be found, 248 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.480 or I hit it just beyond the out of bounds 249 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:04.320 line here and just pull it no closer to the hole. 250 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:10.519 But hit from that general area? Is that not? Is 251 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:11.000 that cheating? 252 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:14.679 Well, if you're talking out of bounds, yeah, there's no 253 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:15.759 dropping near. 254 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:17.279 It's go back. 255 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:19.960 Okay, Oh is this a lateral? Are we talking about 256 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.720 a lateral? What's a hazard? 257 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:25.320 Is it a red steak or a yellow steak? Well, 258 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:27.559 red steak is rare. I don't know what yellow means. 259 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:30.320 We get red and white out here. 260 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:36.639 Oh really, okay, I've never seen anyellow steak. Wait so yeah, 261 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:38.799 it gets very confusing as you can see. 262 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:44.600 Yeah yeah, so wait now we don't know if what 263 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:48.480 when you take a if it's a lateral hazard, what 264 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:53.120 does that mean? Do you know you can You didn't 265 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.720 write the rules of golf. You wrote the golf rules. 266 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:00.639 Right, which explains them like a lateral hazards. So we've 267 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.919 got the stroke and distance and go back. You can 268 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:11.559 drop behind the lateral hazard on a line from the 269 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:16.080 flagstick to where you're at. But depending on how that 270 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.000 creek moves, you could be farther back than the tea box. 271 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.639 Isn't it where the ball goes over when it when 272 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:31.639 it crosses the out of bounds or that area. Really 273 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:33.159 they're sitting here. 274 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.080 There's yeah, I know, I know, there's no there's no 275 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:37.279 line of flight rule. 276 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:40.759 Really mm hmm. 277 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:43.639 People have been making that up. I mean the guys 278 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:45.320 that I play with, it's like, you can't go any 279 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:46.399 closer to the hall. You got to go in the 280 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:50.440 line where it was like, really. 281 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:52.600 Oh boy, I might be confusing my water hazards up 282 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:53.200 right now. 283 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:56.240 Okay, but yes, sorry to put you on the spot then, 284 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.960 so okay, okay, So then let's talk about how this 285 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.039 book reads, because I don't want to put you on 286 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.759 the spot because I want to We're gonna we're going 287 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.919 to do a part two of this conversation and we're 288 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:10.480 going to get into some of these rules. So you 289 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.240 better you better hone up quickly because we got about 290 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:14.840 five more minutes and then we're going to head into 291 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.639 a uh part two of this conversation. Are you gonna 292 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:19.159 have time for that? 293 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:20.240 Yes? 294 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.840 Okay, so that's great, okay, good, so, so so tell 295 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:26.639 me how you you laid it out. So these are 296 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.080 not this is not an actual round of golf. Your 297 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:32.759 book doesn't. It's just like compiling all these different rounds 298 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.720 that you had in all these different moments where people 299 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.720 didn't follow the rules. I almost sad cheated they didn't 300 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.360 follow the rules according to the rules of golf, and 301 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:47.039 someone gets called on it. So explain because I love this. 302 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:48.639 Is what I loved about your book, is it put 303 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.679 it in context. And then you at the end of 304 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:55.519 each chapter, which there are eighteen because it's a round 305 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.519 of golf, right, right. So then at the end of 306 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:01.960 each chapter you have the footnotes to everything that you 307 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:06.720 mark throughout the throughout the book. It's like here, I'm 308 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.319 just I'm on page ten and he said I'll hit first. 309 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.240 Dick spoke up since I have the lowest handicap, and 310 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.960 then in parentheses you have C one dot three see 311 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:16.799 one dot four. And then you go to the end 312 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.519 of the chapter and says see one dot three. The 313 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.160 order of play on the first hole is decided randomly 314 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.079 by the lot. The person with the lowest score thereafter 315 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:27.720 goes first has honors on the next hole, and then 316 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.400 see one dot four. Order of play does not include 317 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.440 handicap strokes, only the actual number of strokes on a hole. 318 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:38.480 So it's like, oh, you know, it's like and I 319 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:40.039 have an issue with the honors rule as it is, 320 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.920 but that's my own kind of weirdness. But that's how 321 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:46.559 the book works. And in through the eighteen chapters you 322 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:48.720 pretty much cover all the rules. 323 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.519 Right, yes, in a stroke play. 324 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.920 In stroke well, this book is called the Golf Rolls 325 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:55.079 stroke Play. 326 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.680 Right, And of course you can't have stroke play and 327 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.480 match play at the same time, but want to make 328 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:02.880 that distinction because We've got two more books coming out. 329 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.200 The next one's on golf eatiquette, and the one after 330 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:06.559 that is on match play. 331 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.799 Oh okay, good, thanks for letting me know. And I 332 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.200 have a friend who does that every time goes aha, 333 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:13.960 I beat you on that hole. That's the first hole 334 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.039 I beat you on, but I'm down by nine strokes. 335 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.440 You know, it's like he plays both match and stroke 336 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.079 play on every round we play. 337 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:25.759 You can't do that, well, I suppose you could have 338 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:29.039 two different games going, two different set of roles playing 339 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:29.759 at the same time. 340 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:32.720 He's just trying to Can you play uno and poker 341 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:33.559 at the same time? 342 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:37.920 No, come, you can't know that. Well, we don't play 343 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:39.559 for money anyway, so it doesn't really matter. 344 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:43.279 That's interested in the book too? 345 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:44.759 What playing for money? 346 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.640 Yes, USG of course has comments on that. 347 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.720 And and go ahead explain. 348 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.920 All wagering and bettering must be done and agreed upon 349 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:58.119 before the round starts. 350 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:00.839 Well, that's the way I feel about all rules for 351 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.319 the for a round of golf. Everyone agreed before we 352 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:06.519 get started. Let's just agree that, you know, like anything 353 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:08.799 inside the leathers a gimme. Okay, fine, you know, it's 354 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:10.359 like as long as we agree on these things and 355 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:13.000 you can't go oh wait and now on the third hole, 356 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.400 Oh wait, I got another one. No, no, no, you can't 357 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:15.720 do that. 358 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:16.359 You know that. 359 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:20.039 That's an interesting point. This gets down to knowing the 360 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.400 rules and following the rules and what you're comfortable with 361 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.559 the actual rules. Say, you can't agree to not follow 362 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:32.599 a rule. That's disqualification. So what you just said would 363 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:37.440 means everybody in your group would be disqualified from what, Well, 364 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:38.720 there's not. 365 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:42.440 Yeah, you really don't have a big pride, But I'm not. 366 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:50.599 I'm not talking about competitive play, the local championship that 367 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:52.440 I'm not. I'm just talking about a round of golf 368 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:54.880 on Saturday with my buddies. 369 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:58.000 And it's like nothing, Yeah, you can do that. You 370 00:19:58.039 --> 00:19:59.119 can definitely do that. 371 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:01.960 You know whatever, you Golf is a game of fun, 372 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:02.720 it's supposed to be. 373 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.920 Just don't play with a compliance guy. 374 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:09.599 You know he may agree to that, but you know, 375 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:12.039 don't try to post your scores as a as a 376 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.799 handicap for your for your handicap calculations. 377 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:28.079 Oops, what's your favorite rule that you love to call out? 378 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:31.640 Do you have one that you like you see all 379 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.720 the time and go, you know you you really can't 380 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:34.160 do that. 381 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:36.599 You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with my son's 382 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:41.960 favorite rule, and that's do not give advice. And he 383 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:47.960 uses that because my father won't shut up the course 384 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.119 pro you know, of course that doesn't know any of 385 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.319 the rules, is always giving advice. So my son likes 386 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:56.599 to tack on two strokes every time he opens his mouth. 387 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:58.319 So wait, is that an official rule that you cannot 388 00:20:58.319 --> 00:20:58.880 give advice? 389 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:01.559 Yes, it is a two stroke pel. 390 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.920 Really, because I've got a guy who's telling you what 391 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:06.960 to do all the time, you just want to go 392 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:09.039 leave me alone. 393 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:12.000 Yes, rememborize that rule number I don't have a memory. 394 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:19.039 It's a two stroke penalty. Oh, David, you are me? Okay, 395 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:21.319 this is we're interviewing Richard. David is the guy I 396 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.640 was just talking about. It's so so I got to 397 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.839 ask you one last thing before we wrap this part up. 398 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.680 You're you've been listening to Golf Smarter. 399 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:34.279 You've heard it. 400 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.279 Yes, I've been listening for nine years. I've heard I've 401 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:39.680