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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and twenty eight, published on

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March eighteen, twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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like this that are no longer available in any podcast app.

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Speaker 3: The USGA's Rules of Golf is very hard to read,

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but by design it is the legal explanation of the rules.

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And you were talking about difficulty understanding. You know, there's

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a ball and there's the ball, and they are completely

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two different things. Or you have a golfer and the

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golf No, technically that's the definition. You know, like I

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am the golfer and you are a golfer. The ball

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I'm playing is the ball as opposed to the one

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in my pocket.

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Speaker 4: Which is a ball.

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Speaker 3: It is very confusing. The usg does a great job

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at creating a definition that is the epitome of what

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it needs to be.

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Speaker 1: The Golf Rules. Stroke Play, a fun and informative book

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by Richard Todd.

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Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers

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and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked

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for your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Richard.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Fred, it's great to be on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you. So you've written this cute little book.

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But you're not an author, you're not a golf instructor.

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You're a guy with a job like all of us.

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But you had this need to write a book about

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golf rules.

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Speaker 3: Why I did? I, Like many golfers, I tried to

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get through the USGA's rule book.

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Speaker 4: Uh it's I know, I know.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, I guess I should say, like many most

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people don't own a copy, let alone crack it open.

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But I tried several times in my life to get

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through the book. And the last time was about three

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years ago, and I had read the section on tending

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the flagstick and immediately flashback thirty years to me being

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a teen and my dad taking me out with his

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friends for the very first time on the course. You know,

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of course, that's one of those wonderful times where you

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really feel proud because the old man's showing you off

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to his friends and the first tea, you know, had

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the jitters.

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Speaker 4: But kept it in the faraway.

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Speaker 3: You're going, well, I'm on the first green, I'm tending

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the flagstick. My dad's just off the green, and of

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course he sculls it. It's going for a bee line

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for the hole, and I start pulling the stick out

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and he starts yelling me to throw it back in

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because he's hoping for that ricochet, and of course that

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doesn't happen. And what does happen is the ball shoots

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right off the green and down the hill because it

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was a hilltop green. And at that point he proceeds

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to tell me how happy he is that I'm here

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intending the flagstick. Everybody in the group heard him. People

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on the course I think, heard his comments to me,

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And at that point, you know, I'm feeling less than

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a caddy, just I shouldn't even be on the course.

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So again, flash forward back to thirty years. I read

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this section and realize I was right, he was wrong,

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but it stayed with me for thirty years. At that point,

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I said, there's got to be a better way of

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learning the rules than from somebody telling you, because that

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somebody generally heard it from somebody else who heard it

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from somebody else who did not hear it from an

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authority figure who knows the rules right right, And so

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I said, well, that story in itself is a great

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example for this rule. Well why don't I do that

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for all the rules? And one thing led to another,

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and three years later we have the Golf.

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Speaker 1: Rules as opposed to the Rules of Golf, which is

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the USGA's book. And you know, you're absolutely right. I

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have it sitting on my desk, the Rules of Golf,

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the twenty twelve, twenty fifteen version, and I've never opened

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it because a couple of years ago I try, I

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opened up the rule It's like, you know, I should

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know this stuff, and I started in like I can't

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get through this. I have no idea what they're talking about.

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You know, it just didn't. It didn't sit with me.

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I couldn't absorb it. But when I read your book,

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everything changed all of a sudden, all these rules, everything

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was in context of a round of golf, and I

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started recognizing things that I've been through and that people say,

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what's the rule on that fred because they think I

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would know, and I'm.

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Speaker 5: Like, oh, exactly, So, then how how did it come

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to be that you wrote the book as a story.

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Speaker 3: That first thought of the example, and then I just

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started putting more and more together, and I'm thinking, well,

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how can I blend this into a story as opposed

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to just, you know, two hundred and fifty examples, because

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that's out there and that's boring, and it just hit me.

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So I've been golfing for thirty some years and I've

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got lots of experiences, so it wasn't too hard to

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piece them all together. Although this book, when you talk

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about writing it, I didn't do it in a real

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systematic way. I had the rules of or, I had

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the USGA's Rules of Golf sitting open. I had notes

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on what I wanted to do. I had the decisions

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on the rules of Golf open, and I had a

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notepad and I wrote this out old school with paper

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and pencil, and I'm constantly flipping pages back and forth.

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And of course I had scorecards laying around because I

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was trying to come up with ideas for whole layouts.

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And it took a while. But you're right, the USGA's

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Rules of Golf is very hard to read it, but

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by design it is the legal explanation of the rules

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and you were talking about difficulty understanding. You know, there's

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a ball and there's the ball, and they come they

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are completely two different things.

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Speaker 4: Or you have a a golfer and the golf.

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Speaker 3: No, technically that's that's the definitely you know, like I

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am the golfer and you are a golfer. The ball

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I'm playing is the ball as opposed to the one

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in my pocket, which is a ball.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that you've just Okay, that clarified that

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I had no idea.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, Yes, geez, it's very It is very confusing.

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Speaker 3: You know. The USGA does a great job at creating

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a definition that, shall we say, is the epitome of

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what it needs to be.

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Speaker 4: It explains.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, in two days, I'll be

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heading up to Detroit for the USGA's rules schools. I'm

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putting my little air quotes in the air. It's four

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days of in depth fun going through the rule book.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. And even after.

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Speaker 1: Does this open to anybody? Can go to this?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you can go to the USG's website sign up they.

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Speaker 1: Have that will be a party. I can tell you

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there's gonna be guys who are are gonna just be

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drinking their break. Really a bunch of guys who are

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signing up to go hear about the rules that are.

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Speaker 4: Not it's oh well, it's a it's a diverse group.

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Speaker 3: Last year and you know, I was in Pittsburgh and now,

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most of the play people in the room are.

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Speaker 4: Of course pros.

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Speaker 3: There was somebody from the Big Break, individual from the

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Golf Channel tour. We even had USGA Hall of Fame

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members in the group as well as tour officials.

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Speaker 4: So the level is is pretty up there.

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Speaker 3: Although there was a gentleman that had yet to complete

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a single round of golf.

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Speaker 1: No, so.

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Speaker 4: Of course he had the most questions.

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Speaker 1: Of course, but it's like put it to use, you'll

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figure it out. So are you a rules freak? Do

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you love rules? Do you love golf rules? I do?

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Speaker 3: And also part of my day job is I'm a

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banking compliance manager.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you're a golf compliance manager.

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Speaker 4: On the course you're putting it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're on the courus you are the compliance guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: And do you call people out on stuff all the time?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: That was one of the things that when people heard

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I was going to the school, They're like, oh, great,

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you're going to be one of those guys that nobody

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wants to golf.

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Speaker 1: With, right, because I won't play with you if that's.

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Speaker 4: Golf is as you know, it's it's a game for yourself.

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Speaker 3: Although if I'm playing with three other of my friends

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and they're rolling their ball out of every divot and

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they're not counting strokes in the pond, it's not an

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even game.

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Speaker 4: And it's funny. Yeah, yeah, so many people.

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Speaker 3: It's irrelevant of how long you've been playing or how

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good you're playing knowing the rules. This summer I was

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playing with a friend of mine, just so you know.

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He's a NASA engineer, so he's no dummy.

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Speaker 1: He's another so an engineer, so he's another complaint type

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of guy.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but not about golf.

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Speaker 3: He still has his golf bank he had in high school,

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which is he got from his dad. So it's the

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old leather golf bag and the clubs to match. We

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were on the third hole and he put one end

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of the lake and he looked at me and he says,

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what do I do? How do I score?

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Speaker 4: That? He had no idea. Interesting, my dad called me up.

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Speaker 3: My dad's been a scratch golfer He's been on leagues

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at least twice a week his entire life. One of

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his playing partners used to play at Ohio State and

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he was telling me about being an embedded lie and

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it took him four strokes to get out and he

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finished getting onto the green. His playing partner said, well,

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why didn't you just pick it up and drop it?

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He goes, I didn't know I could. So you never know, You.

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Speaker 1: Never know, you never know. Well, now that you said that,

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I think it's a good opportunity for a teaching This

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is a good teaching opportunity. Here tell us what happens

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when you hit the ball in the water.

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Speaker 3: Well, there are I believe four options now I write it.

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Speaker 4: I don't have it all quite memorized. Of course you can.

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You can go back to the tee and play stroking distance.

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There's oh I'm having.

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Speaker 1: A okay, but waite define stroking distance here if you

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have to go back to the tee. And I see,

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I'm obviously had that wrong in my head. I thought

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stroking distance is you'll take the distance where the ball

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went out, you pull it out, you just hit from

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right there, but you're hitting your third shot.

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Speaker 4: Is that stroking distance, no stroking distances. You go all

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the way back to where you hit it, and you

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count the stroke.

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Speaker 1: But so you're going all the way back to where

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you hit it from and you're hitting your shot, but

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you're not hitting your second shot. You're hitting your third

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shot correct. You count the penalty, you count the ball

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in the water, you count pulling it out, and then

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you count correct and then you count your next struck.

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Speaker 4: Right, and that that goes.

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Speaker 3: And let's let's pretend it's lost in the trees and

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you know a general area where it went in. But

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if you can't find it within your five minutes, it's a.

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Speaker 4: Lost ball and you have to go back to the

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tea box.

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Speaker 3: And you know, let's not get into the slow play

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issue there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but or what marshalls do or don't.

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Speaker 3: Do, right, I don't think I've ever seen anybody actually

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drive back or walk back two hundred yards to the

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tea box to hit again.

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Speaker 1: You know, Well, that's what a provisional, that's what a

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provisional is all about. So you hit it, you like, oops,

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I think it's in the bush, it's in the trees

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over there, but I don't know if I'm going to

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find it, I might, but I'm going to hit another

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ball just in case I'm hitting. You announced to the group, right,

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This is part of the roles, part of the rules.

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You have to announce to your group. I am hitting

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a provisional, which to me, i'm hitting a pro v

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one provisional I'm hitting. That's why I won't play with

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those balls. It's like I might hitting provisionals. So all right,

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so now you're hitting the provisional. But if you don't

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find the first ball, and you better know what ball

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you're playing, then you've got to then you're hitting your

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third stroke.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Glad I have that right. So then what what is

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when do you get to say, all right, well, I

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lost my ball over here, or it's not to be found,

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or I hit it just beyond the out of bounds

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line here and just pull it no closer to the hole.

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that cheating?

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a lateral? What's a hazard?

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red steak is rare. I don't know what yellow means.

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when you take a if it's a lateral hazard, what

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does that mean? Do you know you can You didn't

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write the rules of golf. You wrote the golf rules.

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got the stroke and distance and go back. You can

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drop behind the lateral hazard on a line from the

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flagstick to where you're at. But depending on how that

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creek moves, you could be farther back than the tea box.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it where the ball goes over when it when

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it crosses the out of bounds or that area. Really

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they're sitting here.

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line of flight rule.

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Speaker 4: Really mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: People have been making that up. I mean the guys

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that I play with, it's like, you can't go any

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closer to the hall. You got to go in the

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line where it was like, really.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, I might be confusing my water hazards up

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right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but yes, sorry to put you on the spot then,

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so okay, okay, So then let's talk about how this

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book reads, because I don't want to put you on

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the spot because I want to We're gonna we're going

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to do a part two of this conversation and we're

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going to get into some of these rules. So you

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better you better hone up quickly because we got about

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five more minutes and then we're going to head into

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a uh part two of this conversation. Are you gonna

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have time for that?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's great, okay, good, so, so so tell

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me how you you laid it out. So these are

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not this is not an actual round of golf. Your

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book doesn't. It's just like compiling all these different rounds

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that you had in all these different moments where people

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didn't follow the rules. I almost sad cheated they didn't

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follow the rules according to the rules of golf, and

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someone gets called on it. So explain because I love this.

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Is what I loved about your book, is it put

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it in context. And then you at the end of

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each chapter, which there are eighteen because it's a round

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of golf, right, right. So then at the end of

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each chapter you have the footnotes to everything that you

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mark throughout the throughout the book. It's like here, I'm

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just I'm on page ten and he said I'll hit first.

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Dick spoke up since I have the lowest handicap, and

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then in parentheses you have C one dot three see

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one dot four. And then you go to the end

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of the chapter and says see one dot three. The

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order of play on the first hole is decided randomly

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by the lot. The person with the lowest score thereafter

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goes first has honors on the next hole, and then

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see one dot four. Order of play does not include

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handicap strokes, only the actual number of strokes on a hole.

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So it's like, oh, you know, it's like and I

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have an issue with the honors rule as it is,

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but that's my own kind of weirdness. But that's how

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the book works. And in through the eighteen chapters you

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pretty much cover all the rules.

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Speaker 4: Right, yes, in a stroke play.

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Speaker 1: In stroke well, this book is called the Golf Rolls

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stroke Play.

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Speaker 3: Right, And of course you can't have stroke play and

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match play at the same time, but want to make

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that distinction because We've got two more books coming out.

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The next one's on golf eatiquette, and the one after

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that is on match play.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, good, thanks for letting me know. And I

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have a friend who does that every time goes aha,

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I beat you on that hole. That's the first hole

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I beat you on, but I'm down by nine strokes.

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You know, it's like he plays both match and stroke

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play on every round we play.

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Speaker 3: You can't do that, well, I suppose you could have

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two different games going, two different set of roles playing

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at the same time.

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Speaker 4: He's just trying to Can you play uno and poker

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at the same time?

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Speaker 1: No, come, you can't know that. Well, we don't play

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for money anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 4: That's interested in the book too?

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Speaker 1: What playing for money?

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Speaker 4: Yes, USG of course has comments on that.

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Speaker 1: And and go ahead explain.

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Speaker 3: All wagering and bettering must be done and agreed upon

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before the round starts.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the way I feel about all rules for

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the for a round of golf. Everyone agreed before we

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get started. Let's just agree that, you know, like anything

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inside the leathers a gimme. Okay, fine, you know, it's

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like as long as we agree on these things and

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you can't go oh wait and now on the third hole,

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Oh wait, I got another one. No, no, no, you can't

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do that.

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Speaker 4: You know that.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting point. This gets down to knowing the

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rules and following the rules and what you're comfortable with

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the actual rules. Say, you can't agree to not follow

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a rule. That's disqualification. So what you just said would

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means everybody in your group would be disqualified from what, Well,

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there's not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you really don't have a big pride, But I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about competitive play, the local championship that

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I'm not. I'm just talking about a round of golf

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on Saturday with my buddies.

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Speaker 4: And it's like nothing, Yeah, you can do that. You

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can definitely do that.

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Speaker 3: You know whatever, you Golf is a game of fun,

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it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: Just don't play with a compliance guy.

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Speaker 3: You know he may agree to that, but you know,

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don't try to post your scores as a as a

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handicap for your for your handicap calculations.

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Speaker 1: Oops, what's your favorite rule that you love to call out?

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Do you have one that you like you see all

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the time and go, you know you you really can't

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do that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with my son's

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favorite rule, and that's do not give advice. And he

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uses that because my father won't shut up the course

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pro you know, of course that doesn't know any of

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the rules, is always giving advice. So my son likes

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to tack on two strokes every time he opens his mouth.

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Speaker 1: So wait, is that an official rule that you cannot

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give advice?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is a two stroke pel.

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Speaker 1: Really, because I've got a guy who's telling you what

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to do all the time, you just want to go

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leave me alone.

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Speaker 4: Yes, rememborize that rule number I don't have a memory.

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Speaker 1: It's a two stroke penalty. Oh, David, you are me? Okay,

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this is we're interviewing Richard. David is the guy I

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was just talking about. It's so so I got to

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ask you one last thing before we wrap this part up.

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You're you've been listening to Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 4: You've heard it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've been listening for nine years. I've heard I've

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heard every episode you've ever done.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, thank you really okay, thank you, that's very matter.

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Speaker 3: In fact, you've mentioned you've mentioned me four times throughout

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your career.

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Speaker 1: You've got a scorecard on that. That's very funny. Well,

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thank you, well, I got to say, because this book

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is the foursome that you have in this book is

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your son, your dad, right you?

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Speaker 4: Yes? And me and my brother in law and.

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Speaker 1: Your brother in law. Okay, so it's a family affair here,

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and you did a very nice job. I got to say,

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I'm kind of freaked out by this. But you dedicated

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the book to your dad and your son, and your

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daughter and your wife for being so supportive. Why, Richard,

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why would you possibly include beyond your your wife, your daughter,

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your son, your father. Why did you dedicate the book

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to me? I was so blown away when I saw that.

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It's like, dude, you listened to a podcast, But what

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did I do?

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Speaker 4: Well? You know, as it says in You've done a

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number of things.

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Speaker 3: You provide such great content that's.

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Speaker 4: So wide in variety.

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Speaker 3: You know, I loved listening to the caddies that have

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played all over the world and hearing talks behind the

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ropes as well as new products and inventions. But really,

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the last line you did help me to drop twenty strokes?

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Speaker 1: How is that possible? I never I've never played with you.

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I've never held the club for you.

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Speaker 3: One of your podcasts made a very simple comment. It

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was really off the cuff. May have him been by

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Martin Chuck. I'm not sure, but my dad, despite him

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being such a great golfer, gave me no lessons, and

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he was left handed and I'm not so he probably.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't have helped anyhow.

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Speaker 3: But you've the Golf Smarter podcast has been very enjoyable.

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Speaker 4: We'll go to share please being a friend. Wow, what

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that tip was?

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Speaker 1: Do you know?

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Speaker 4: Do you remember? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but it's going to make me sound like a

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terrible golfer. I didn't realize that.

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Speaker 1: You just said you dropped twenty strokes.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I was really, really, really bad.

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Speaker 3: It was about this swing plane being circular and not.

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You know, you don't hit on a straight path to

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make the ball go straight. That was always my interpretation.

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So I literally my swing path was almost straight down

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the line, and that's why it's a terrible hook slice.

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Speaker 1: Oh so then you you you just went out and

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realized that and started doing a different swing path, and

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you and your game changed dramatically.

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Speaker 4: Yep, along with other things that you've mentioned. You know,

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just relaxing.

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Speaker 1: It's not that I mentioned Richard Richard. I never mentioned

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these other people. I'm just asking questions.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm I am. I am so humbled and flattered by

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by the dedication. I can't tell you how it was

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nice enough you to write in my copy of the book,

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but then to read on and went what my name's

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in print? That just blew me away. And I thank

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you very very much. And and that's not why I

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had you on the show to talk about me, But

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I really really did enjoy your book, and I think

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it's a valuable collection, a valuable piece for everybody's book

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collection because in this simple read, and again it's not

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even one hundred pages, you're going to get clarification on

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so many things that have come up in your rounds,

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and you're like, oh, and it makes so much sense.

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So congratulations on really putting a very good book together.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: All Right, so now I'm going to have you read

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it to yourself really quickly, because we're going to go

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back into this conversation and we are gonna talk about rules,

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specific rules, and that'll be part two. The book is

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available in our Golfers Maart via Amazon. Is there a

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digital version of it? You just need to have it

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in your library.

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Speaker 4: There is an ebook available.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, so you can get it for your kindle type

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of thing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, awesome.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you can do that and you can get

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more at the Golf rules dot com.

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Speaker 3: Right absolutely, We're on Facebook, Twitter, there's a YouTube, book trailer,

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and we have a blog. All of that can be

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found at the Golf rules dot com.

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Speaker 1: To spring Off Richard, thanks so much for again for

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the kind words and for joining us here.

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Speaker 4: My pleasure for it. Thanks so much,