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<v Speaker 1>We have an active shooter. We have an acre shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's go ahead of me, Claire with a mass casualty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Active Shooter, a podcast that covers the whys,

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<v Speaker 1>the hows, and the aftermath of active shooter and mass

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<v Speaker 1>casualty events. They have an active shooter in the building.

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<v Speaker 1>A teching call says they are big attacks. We got

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<v Speaker 1>chush fire at four fifteen as broaching ninety one, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I'm at a fire on active shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>Orts of an active shooter, active shooter, active shooter.

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<v Speaker 1>In mash casualty incidents. Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Active Shooter, a podcast that may

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<v Speaker 2>contain adult themes, explicit language, and graphic depictions of violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Portions of this show may be traumatic for those under eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty one years ago, a school shooting very briefly dominated

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<v Speaker 1>headlines in September of two thousand and three. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about four and a half years after what is arguably

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<v Speaker 1>the most widely known school shooting in US history at

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<v Speaker 1>Columbine High School on April twentieth, nineteen ninety nine. The

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<v Speaker 1>shooting we are covering today wasn't as deadly and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to make the same kind of impact in the

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<v Speaker 1>media as Columbine School mass shootings are much more common

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<v Speaker 1>today than twenty one years ago, and perhaps the media

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<v Speaker 1>held itself to a slightly higher standard. Still, all these

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<v Speaker 1>years later, the students at Rocori High School are adults

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<v Speaker 1>with children and and even some grandchildren of their own.

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<v Speaker 1>They have watched the world around us become complacent and

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<v Speaker 1>almost indifferent to maschool shootings, feelings that they will never

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend or share with the world. Worse, they face the

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<v Speaker 1>very real possibility that the person who shattered their innocence

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<v Speaker 1>will one day walk free, free to wander the same

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<v Speaker 1>streets as their children and grandchildren. For their sake, we

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<v Speaker 1>pray that the way we view guns, mass shootings, and

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<v Speaker 1>mental health has changed significantly by then. Today's case is

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to the two deceased students, Seth Bartel and Aaron Rawlins,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as any injured survivors. We'd like to make

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<v Speaker 1>a special mention in honour of the students and faculty

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<v Speaker 1>at Rocori High School, along with their families and loved

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<v Speaker 1>ones who are impacted by this tragedy. Active Shooter the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is a High five Holly production, and I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>host JT. If you've listened to our prior episodes, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that the Active Shooter podcast team has taken the

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<v Speaker 1>no notoriety pledge and we will not be sharing the

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<v Speaker 1>real name of the shooters that we cover. We will

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<v Speaker 1>be giving the shooters a pseudonym and refer to them

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<v Speaker 1>by that name throughout the episode. This will help in

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<v Speaker 1>clearing up any confusion in the story while remaining true

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<v Speaker 1>to our pledge and not naming the shooter by their

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<v Speaker 1>actual name. We will refer to today's shooter as Gabe. Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty fourth, two thousand and three commenced much like

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<v Speaker 1>every other morning for students at the Rocori High School,

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<v Speaker 1>located at five point thirty four Fifth Avenue North in

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<v Speaker 1>cold Spring, Minnesota. Cold Spring is situated within Stearns County

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<v Speaker 1>and sits approximately fourteen miles southwest of Saint Cloud, the

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<v Speaker 1>twelfth largest city in Minnesota. Cold Spring, for its part,

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<v Speaker 1>is a rather small town, consisting of just over four

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<v Speaker 1>thousand residents as of the twenty ten census. The morning

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<v Speaker 1>was chilly, as many autumn mornings in Minnesota are, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was cloudy, though it warmed up to the mid fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>There was only one student attending classes that morning who

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<v Speaker 1>knew that each student would leave that day an entirely

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<v Speaker 1>different child than they were walking into the building. Only

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years old, Gabe was aware of the panic and

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<v Speaker 1>palpable fear that would soon permeate the hallways of their

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<v Speaker 1>educational institution. It's important to note that this was two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and three. School shootings were not commonplace, and most

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<v Speaker 1>students still felt a sense of safety within those hallways

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<v Speaker 1>and classrooms. Before Gabe came to school on Wednesday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>he snuck into his parents' bedroom and stole his dad's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two caliber semi automatic stainless steel handgun. The weapon

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't loaded, and the bullets were hidden elsewhere in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>That didn't matter to Gabe. He knew where everything was hidden,

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<v Speaker 1>so he collected the bullets, loaded the gun, and placed

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<v Speaker 1>it into his backpack. Gabe left for school wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>T shirt that was either black or blue with a

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<v Speaker 1>white stripe. Today was the day that Gabe was going

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that his school bully, Seth Barton Tell,

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<v Speaker 1>was going to pay. Whether Seth was truly. Gabe's own

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<v Speaker 1>personal bully is debatable, but in Gabe's mind, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt he felt tortured by Seth and had for

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<v Speaker 1>many years. Gabe couldn't take it anymore, and he finally

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<v Speaker 1>decided that he'd put an end to the constant bullying.

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<v Speaker 1>He would take his father's gun to school shoot Seth,

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<v Speaker 1>and the consequence would be that everyone would know, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't mess with Gabe. You don't tease him or call

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<v Speaker 1>him pizza face. You don't laugh or point or push him.

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<v Speaker 1>Today he was going to show Seth why. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very evident, both from his full confession and from his

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<v Speaker 1>writings that were discovered later, that Gabe's sole motive and

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<v Speaker 1>intention was to seek out Seth and shoot him. Just

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<v Speaker 1>before Jim class started, Gabe took his backpack and entered

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<v Speaker 1>the locker for reference, The locker room is located in

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<v Speaker 1>the basement of the school, while the gym was one

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<v Speaker 1>floor upstairs. Gabe withdrew the firearm, entered a bathroom stall,

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<v Speaker 1>cocked it, and replaced it into his bag. He then

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<v Speaker 1>sat on a bench to wait for his target. Other

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<v Speaker 1>students entered and exited, but Gabe didn't ever see Seth enter.

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<v Speaker 1>After sitting there for a few minutes, Gabe suddenly noticed

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<v Speaker 1>Seth walking towards the exit. He had apparently entered without

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe's seeing and changed in another part of the locker

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<v Speaker 1>room where he wasn't visible. Seth and another student were

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<v Speaker 1>walking towards the hallway when Gabe again pulled the gun

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<v Speaker 1>out of his bag, aimed and fired at Seth. It

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<v Speaker 1>was eleven forty four am when Seth was struck in

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<v Speaker 1>the chest by the first shot. He clutched his side

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<v Speaker 1>and rushed towards the hallway leading up to the gym,

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<v Speaker 1>the classmates by his side. Gabe followed after him, guns

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<v Speaker 1>still aimed at Seth's retreating back, Gabe attempted to shoot again,

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<v Speaker 1>but the gun jammed. He quickly cleared the jam and

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<v Speaker 1>raised the weapon and fired off another shot before Seth

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<v Speaker 1>managed to make it to the stairs. He missed Seth,

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<v Speaker 1>and the bullet struck student Aaron Rawlins in the neck,

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<v Speaker 1>killing him instantly. Aerin was in the midst of walking

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<v Speaker 1>towards Gabe, trying to reason with him when he was

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly hit. Aaron's hands immediately flew up to his neck,

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<v Speaker 1>where he desperately tried to apply life saving pressure to

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<v Speaker 1>the wound. As he fell to the ground, Aaron murmured, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>help me, I'm hurt, Help me, I've been shot. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron was shot in a place and manner where life

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<v Speaker 1>saving intervention wasn't possible. Seventeen year old Aaron Rawlins was

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<v Speaker 1>born on February third, nineteen eighty six, to Tom and

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<v Speaker 1>Sherry Rawlins. His hobbies included golfer hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, and

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<v Speaker 1>most of all, spending time with his family and friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who knew him best say that Aaron was outgoing

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<v Speaker 1>and easily got along with others. The entire senior class

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<v Speaker 1>at Rocori was named honorary pallbearers, sitting together at the

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<v Speaker 1>funeral for one of their own, a child who should

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<v Speaker 1>have been graduating with them in a few months. Students

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<v Speaker 1>at the funeral wore black and white T shirts that

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<v Speaker 1>bore Eron's photo on the front. His death profoundly affected

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who knew him. Meanwhile, Seth and his classmate made

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<v Speaker 1>it to the stairs and were climbing up when Seth

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<v Speaker 1>lifted his shirt exclaiming quote, look, I'm shot. The two

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<v Speaker 1>boys made it into the gym, where they sought out

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<v Speaker 1>their pe teacher Gabe entered the gymnasium directly behind the

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<v Speaker 1>boys and raised his gun once more, walking towards Seth.

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<v Speaker 1>Though eye witness accounts of how close he was differ,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed that Gabe was approximately only two feet away

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<v Speaker 1>from Seth when he shot him again, striking him in

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<v Speaker 1>the forehead. Fourteen year old Seth Bartel was born coincidentally

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<v Speaker 1>the same date as Aaron Rawlins February third, but three

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<v Speaker 1>years later in nineteen eighty nine. Seth was adored by

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<v Speaker 1>his parents, Raleigh and Kim Bartel, and was sibling to

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse and Whitney. Loved Ones described Seth as a high

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<v Speaker 1>energy young man who was an extreme sports enthusiast. He

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<v Speaker 1>snowboarded and skateboarded, and was happiest when he was out

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<v Speaker 1>in active. Seth was buried at Saint Boniface Cemetery in

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<v Speaker 1>Cold Spring, and he is deeply mourned each and every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Pe teacher Mark Johnson was sitting on the jim bleachers

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<v Speaker 1>working on paperwork when he heard a commotion and looked

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<v Speaker 1>up in time to see a student Gabe shoot his

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<v Speaker 1>classmate seth in the head. In disbelief at what his

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<v Speaker 1>eyes had just witnessed. Mark began to walk after Gabe,

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<v Speaker 1>who was headed towards the exit. He stopped and turned

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<v Speaker 1>to see his teacher, and he aimed the gun at Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark stopped, raised his hands in the surrender motion while

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<v Speaker 1>loudly and sharply saying no. Gabe lowered the firearm, ejected

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<v Speaker 1>the remaining shells onto the ground, and dropped the gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark purposely strode to the weapon, snatched it up, grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>Four minutes after the shooting started, police were on the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Students were gathered from all corners of the school and

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<v Speaker 1>released on the east side of the building as classrooms

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<v Speaker 1>were cleared one by one. Police escorted petrified students to

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<v Speaker 1>the elementary school nearby, where those students and faculty who

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed the shooting were sent to the media center at

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<v Speaker 1>the high school to be interviewed and give statements. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a very stark contrast to the way we respond to

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<v Speaker 1>school shootings today. Emergency technicians arrived on the scene and

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<v Speaker 1>began attempting life saving measures on aaron Rawlins as he

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<v Speaker 1>was rushed to Saint Cloud Hospital, where he was declared

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<v Speaker 1>dead on arrival. Seth was airlifted by Lifeling Helicopter Services

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<v Speaker 1>to Saint Cloud Hospital, where he was sprinted into surgery

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<v Speaker 1>to treat massive head and brain trauma. Seth succumbed to

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<v Speaker 1>his extensive injuries, passing away sixteen days later on October eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three. As expected, police immediately whisked Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>away to the local station for questioning. He was eventually

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<v Speaker 1>interrogated by Agent Ken MacDonald of the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe fully admitted to shooting Seth, but he expressed surprise

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<v Speaker 1>that anyone else was shot and killed, claiming that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>his intent. He only meant to shoot Seth, but he

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<v Speaker 1>admitted that he could have missed and thus shot someone

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<v Speaker 1>else by mistake. When he was informed of Aaron Rollins's death,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe began to weep, claiming he didn't want to kill anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he didn't even mean to seriously injure anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>that he only wanted to shoot Seth in the shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>or arm so Seth would have a scar and always

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<v Speaker 1>remember Gabe just like Gabe would always remember the bullying

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<v Speaker 1>he endured. Gabe continued his confession, saying he didn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty two was powerful enough to cause much harm,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone kill someone. Gabe admitted that he planned the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting for at least two days prior. He essentially cased

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<v Speaker 1>the school by looking for metal detectors and security cameras

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the building. To a casual observer or listener, it

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<v Speaker 1>might have seemed that Gabe truly thought he could shoot

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<v Speaker 1>someone and only injure not kill them. However, when agent

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<v Speaker 1>MacDonald asked Gabe if he believed he'd done something wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe responded in the affirmative, replying simply, yeah, it was obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe knew he did something absolutely terrible. He understood that

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<v Speaker 1>he had taken not just one, but two lives, and

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<v Speaker 1>he most assuredly grasped that every action he took on

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty fourth, two thousand and three, had a deadly

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<v Speaker 1>conscert sequence that he must pay for. Gabe understood he

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<v Speaker 1>would be going to prison. Fifteen year old Gabe was

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<v Speaker 1>born on July nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, the only child

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<v Speaker 1>to loving parents who adored their son Gabe's parents married

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the shooting, though each had briefly lived

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<v Speaker 1>together before the elder children started moving out. Gabe's dad

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<v Speaker 1>He worked in law enforcement for twenty one years, with

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen of them spent working in undercover narcotics enforcement. Gabe's

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, separating for a period of about six months.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe and his mother moved into an apartment in Saint Cloud.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe took this separation very very hard. It affected the

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<v Speaker 1>to never upset his mother or misbehave. He was constantly

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<v Speaker 1>and if they even got into an apartment, Gabe shut

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<v Speaker 1>Not apartment, He was constantly anxious that something he did

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<v Speaker 1>got into an argument, Gabe shut down and became paranoid

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<v Speaker 1>that his family would break up again forever this time.

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<v Speaker 1>His mom described her as having a normal childhood and

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<v Speaker 1>she had a typical pregnancy with him. There were no

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<v Speaker 1>early childhood illnesses, injuries, or other known traumas. He was

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<v Speaker 1>towards his mother more and developed an exceptionally close bond

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<v Speaker 1>with her. In two thousand, which was during the separation

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<v Speaker 1>Cloud apartment, Gabe's behavior became increasingly combative with his mother.

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<v Speaker 1>She attributes the change in his behavior to the anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>experience because of the separation, which seems to track because

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe seemed to simultaneously become very protective over his mother.

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<v Speaker 1>When his folks reconciled, Gabe was relieved, yet he felt conflicted.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't enjoy his family being back together, because he

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<v Speaker 1>separate again. Around the same time Gabe's parents got back together,

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<v Speaker 1>he began noticing thoughts and feelings he was experiencing that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't feel normal. Gabe seemed to have some sense of

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<v Speaker 1>his mental health decline, but he was unable to vocalize

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<v Speaker 1>his fears to his parents because he worried it would

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<v Speaker 1>throw off their delicate balance at home. He developed an

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<v Speaker 1>irrational paranoia that he would cause his parents to separate again.

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<v Speaker 1>So the more his mental health deteriorated, the more Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>withdrew from the world. He became very isolated and started

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<v Speaker 1>spending nearly all of his time alone. Gabe had little

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<v Speaker 1>interest in physical activity. He occasionally went snowmobiling with his

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<v Speaker 1>older brother, but typically his time with his family was

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<v Speaker 1>spent doing things like playing card and board games. Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>made an effort to interact with his family just enough

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<v Speaker 1>to ward off concerns. He tried out for the football

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<v Speaker 1>team in seventh grade, but he didn't make the team

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<v Speaker 1>due to experiencing blackouts when he physically exerted himself. Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>later claimed that he never told anyone about the blackouts,

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<v Speaker 1>because again, he was worried about upsetting his parents or

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<v Speaker 1>causing issues that would make his parents split up again.

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<v Speaker 1>There doesn't seem to be any indication whatsoever that his

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<v Speaker 1>parents fought a lot after getting back together, or that

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<v Speaker 1>they gave Gabe a specific reason to fear their separation.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe acted as though another separation was inevitable, but research

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<v Speaker 1>only seems to suggest that his parents worked things out

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<v Speaker 1>and were happy to be back together. During seventh and

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<v Speaker 1>eighth grades, Gabe continued to isolate and withdraw. His parents

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<v Speaker 1>may have intervened, but Gabe went out of his way

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<v Speaker 1>to present an image of a high schooler who regularly

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<v Speaker 1>hung out with his friends and did high school boy things.

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<v Speaker 1>He was rapidly losing touch with reality, but no one

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to know because Gabe was able to hide it

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<v Speaker 1>from everyone around him. It seems impossible, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of being repetitive, it was two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 1>Social media wasn't nearly as prevalent, and people weren't broadcasting

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<v Speaker 1>every minute of their life to the entire world. Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>faked it for his parents, and because he had a

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<v Speaker 1>genuine connection with his mom, he enjoyed running errands with

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<v Speaker 1>and for her, and helping her cook. He did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot around the house to keep his mother from stressing out.

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<v Speaker 1>Keeping his mom happy and worry free is how and

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<v Speaker 1>why Gabe would later claim that he successfully concealed his

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<v Speaker 1>downward spiral from her. After the separation, Gabe developed a

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<v Speaker 1>fascination for making things, things being explosive devices like bombs.

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<v Speaker 1>He told a psychiatrist after the shooting that he made

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<v Speaker 1>the bombs in response to a voice in his head

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<v Speaker 1>that instructed him to do so. He created explosive out

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<v Speaker 1>of test tubes he stole from school, shotgun shells, and wires.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe's interest in the military increased at this time because

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<v Speaker 1>he associated making bombs as something one would do in

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<v Speaker 1>the military. Gabe began to be convinced that he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even need to attend school, believing his intelligence to be

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<v Speaker 1>off the charts and indeed certainly far more advanced than

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<v Speaker 1>his classmates. The only issues that seemed evident was Gabe's

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<v Speaker 1>claim that he was experiencing intense teasing that rose to

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<v Speaker 1>the level of bullying. He would say that Seth Bartel

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<v Speaker 1>was the main bully who relentlessly made fun of Gabe's acne,

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<v Speaker 1>which admittedly was rather severe. Allegedly, Seth called Gabe pizza face,

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<v Speaker 1>and he pushed, shoved, poked, and slapped Gabe. There don't

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<v Speaker 1>appear to be many, if any reports to the school

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<v Speaker 1>that Gabe was having a difficult time. Again, being that

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<v Speaker 1>this was two thousand and three, the world didn't acknowledge

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<v Speaker 1>that such behaviors like teasing and rough housing could indeed

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<v Speaker 1>be very dangerous and harmful to a young person. As

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<v Speaker 1>a young teen, Gabe's father introduced him to firearms, though

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<v Speaker 1>not in any sort of nefarious way. Because his dad

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<v Speaker 1>was in law enforcement, he wanted to ensure his son

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<v Speaker 1>understood guns, safety and how to properly handle firearms. Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>completed a firearms safety class, and he eventually took and

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<v Speaker 1>passed the Minnesota Fire and Arm Safety Training Exam. Because

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<v Speaker 1>his dad was a police officer a narcotics officer, that

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<v Speaker 1>his dad watched Gabe for signs of being overly interested

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<v Speaker 1>in guns, and he never noticed his son spending an

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<v Speaker 1>inordinate amount of time handling them, researching, or reading about them. Academically,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe struggled in elementary school. His grades were below average.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was in seventh grade, his language usage and

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<v Speaker 1>expression was rated at a fourth grade level. His report

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<v Speaker 1>cards contained score such as outstanding, satisfactory, though most were

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<v Speaker 1>needs improvement. During the summer following seventh grade, Gabe attended

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<v Speaker 1>a summer program where he reached the partial mastery in

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<v Speaker 1>problem solving. Despite no clear understanding of how or why,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe's brain just seemed to stop developing normally in his

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<v Speaker 1>preteen in early teen years. By eighth grade, he was

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<v Speaker 1>failing four classes, yet in his own mind he was

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<v Speaker 1>rather brilliant and didn't actually need school. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>background on Gabe didn't come out until after the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe claims that he kept everything a secret from his

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<v Speaker 1>family because he knew it would cause problems, which he

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<v Speaker 1>immediately assumed would break his parents up. It was around

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<v Speaker 1>the time he was in sixth grade when Gabe started

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<v Speaker 1>to hear a male voice. The first time it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>he was walking home from a friend's house when he

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<v Speaker 1>heard someone say his name. It was a muffled voice,

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<v Speaker 1>but they most definitely said Gabe's name. He was so

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<v Speaker 1>sure that he heard the voice that he looked up

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<v Speaker 1>and around, but no one was around, so he let

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<v Speaker 1>it go. The next time it happened, he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the school bus. Gabe reported. The next time he recalled

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<v Speaker 1>hearing the voice was when he was playing with his dog,

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<v Speaker 1>a Doberman pincher. Gabe stopped when he heard the voice

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<v Speaker 1>speak very clearly. However, it was obvious to Gabe that

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<v Speaker 1>the dog didn't hear anything. The dog was very territorial

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<v Speaker 1>and would have reacted if someone it didn't know was around.

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<v Speaker 1>He reported that the voice told Gabe that he was

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<v Speaker 1>Dante lu Cassilvara. Gabe denied picking the name up from

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<v Speaker 1>a video game or having heard of it from anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>besides the voice. Gabe said that the voice later changed

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<v Speaker 1>its name to Jake. Jake continued to speak to Gabe,

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<v Speaker 1>and although he tried his best to ignore Jake, he

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<v Speaker 1>started to do things like build bombs at Jake's sto direction,

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<v Speaker 1>but Jake wanted him to blow things like buildings up.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew this was concerning, but he still refused to

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<v Speaker 1>share with his parents what he was experiencing due to

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<v Speaker 1>his paranoi about causing them undue stress. He didn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else because he knew people would think he was strange,

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<v Speaker 1>and people would talk about him even more than he

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<v Speaker 1>already believed they did. Gabe made up stories, telling his

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<v Speaker 1>dad that he regularly ate lunch with friends at school

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<v Speaker 1>and attended social events. His dad seemed to believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>There didn't appear to be any reason not to believe

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<v Speaker 1>his son. He told detailed, believable stories. His classmates, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, seemed much less inclined to believe Gabe's

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<v Speaker 1>tall tales. He talked about being a paintball champion, winning tournaments,

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<v Speaker 1>and traveling the country. In the summer of two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three, Gabe spent even more time alone than normal.

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<v Speaker 1>He reported that he started to experience hallucinations and they

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<v Speaker 1>intensified at a startling rate, and he claimed to smell

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<v Speaker 1>metal and aluminum. His feelings of anxiety, loneliness, and depression increased,

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<v Speaker 1>and a feeling of pain like a vibration, would run

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<v Speaker 1>from his hand to his foot. During the same timeframe,

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<v Speaker 1>summer of two thousand and three, Gabe met a group

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<v Speaker 1>of individuals in which he started hanging out with. He

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<v Speaker 1>would later describe the group as a meth dealing drug gang.

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<v Speaker 1>These friends were essentially imaginary. They existed only in Gabe's mind.

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<v Speaker 1>While he recognized that he was seriously losing control over himself,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe just to seriously believe that this drug dealing gang

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<v Speaker 1>of friends from the Woods was real. His story about

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<v Speaker 1>being with this group were vivid. He described helping the

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<v Speaker 1>drug production by creating maps on his computer, and he

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<v Speaker 1>could describe the vehicles they drove, a van, their clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he alleged the group kept him protected all while

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<v Speaker 1>running a methamphetamine lab Gabe's He said that the gang

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<v Speaker 1>buried one hundred thousand dollars in the Woods and that

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<v Speaker 1>was his payment for all the work he did for them.

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<v Speaker 1>He further went on to say that he never had

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<v Speaker 1>an urge to try the drugs because he knew what

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<v Speaker 1>drug use could do to a person. He'd seen it

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<v Speaker 1>in his dad's work, but he never seemed concerned that

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<v Speaker 1>his father, who was an narcotics police officer, might catch

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<v Speaker 1>the gang. Gabe reported that when he decided he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to shoot Seth for bullying him, he asked the

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<v Speaker 1>gang to come up to the high school and shoot

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<v Speaker 1>him in the head when it was over. After the shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe said he saw the van arriving at school, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were too late. To carry out killing him. After

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting, Gabe was held at the Prairie Lake Detention

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<v Speaker 1>School and he was evaluated by a number of psychiatrists

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<v Speaker 1>and doctors. He was prescribed a variety of different medications

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<v Speaker 1>with varying results. However, in time, as he began to adjust,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe later reported that he became aware that the gang

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<v Speaker 1>was probably not real, but when he was living in

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<v Speaker 1>real time, he truly and completely believed that they were.

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<v Speaker 1>He admitted he didn't really know what was real and

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<v Speaker 1>what wasn't. When teachers at the detention facility interviewed Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>about how he functioned at school, he claimed he thrived

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<v Speaker 1>excelling at school and was at about an eleventh or

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<v Speaker 1>twelfth grade, which simply isn't true. It was determined that

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe struggled with perceiving concepts and subtle or abstract meanings.

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<v Speaker 1>He lacked motivation and was far behind in math skills.

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<v Speaker 1>He showed a keen interest in very few subjects and

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<v Speaker 1>was often caught staring intently at other inmates, causing friction

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<v Speaker 1>because it was so off putting. Each of his teachers

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<v Speaker 1>at the detention school agreed that Gabe functioned emotionally cognitively

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<v Speaker 1>at the level of a twelve year old and did

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<v Speaker 1>not display the typical maturity of a sixteen year old.

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<v Speaker 1>While in the facility, Gabe disgussed having auditory hallucinations. He

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<v Speaker 1>was diagnosed by one psychiatrist as being schizophrenic paranoid type

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<v Speaker 1>and noted that there was evidence of cognitive and hallucinatory

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<v Speaker 1>experience of schizophrenia. In December of two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe reported that the voice Jake appeared at a morning meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jake entered, Gabe asked someone who the new guy was,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking it was perhaps a staff member. It quickly dawned

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<v Speaker 1>on Gabe that no one else saw the man, and

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<v Speaker 1>he became aware that the voice was truly only heard

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<v Speaker 1>by him. Yet he still failed to communicate these things

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone, even doctors. In December of two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe detailed a visual hallucination in which he he saw

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<v Speaker 1>dead bodies hanging from the ceilings in the bathroom. He

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<v Speaker 1>could smell the rot and decay and immediately became ill,

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<v Speaker 1>but again chose not to report because he was afraid

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<v Speaker 1>no one would believe him. It wasn't until Gabe was

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<v Speaker 1>sitting with his attorney's paralegal, that he began describing the voice, hallucinations,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest, and she urged the attorney to get

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe properly evaluated, and he finally made the choice to

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<v Speaker 1>participate in his own medical treatment. During the initial police interrogation,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe told agent MacDonald that his issues with Seth began

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<v Speaker 1>in the sixth grade and escalated. He claimed that Seth

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<v Speaker 1>mainly teased him about his acne. A number of students

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<v Speaker 1>testified at Gabe's eventual trial, and of the twelve that testified,

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<v Speaker 1>only two could ever recall noticing any issue with Seth

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<v Speaker 1>and Gabe. These two students reported some pushing and shoving,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did not mention Seth calling Gabe names or

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<v Speaker 1>teasing him about his acne. One of the students testified

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<v Speaker 1>to the grand jury that they witnessed Seth and some

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<v Speaker 1>friends approach Gabe and start pushing him around, but on

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<v Speaker 1>cross examination, the student admitted that they didn't actually witness

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<v Speaker 1>the interaction. They actually heard the story through the quote

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<v Speaker 1>rumor mill. During high school, Gabe began to correspond with

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<v Speaker 1>a female student named Brittany Kelly. They knew each other

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<v Speaker 1>since elementary school and became friends of sorts. In middle school,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe claimed to Brittany that he had a girlfriend and

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<v Speaker 1>asked her if she would like to correspond with her too.

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<v Speaker 1>The pretend girlfriend was a fantastical Japanese female named Suki,

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<v Speaker 1>though he sometimes referred to her as Soki. She was dominant, fearless,

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<v Speaker 1>and aggressive. She was everything Gabe was not, which probably

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<v Speaker 1>allowed him the freedom to speak to his real life

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<v Speaker 1>crush in a way he could not. Brittany agreed, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was soon smiling with both the alleged girlfriend and Gabe,

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<v Speaker 1>who emailed her from his own account, which had the

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<v Speaker 1>user name Sharpest Shot two ninety. The fake girlfriend emailed

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<v Speaker 1>Brittany quite a bit, and Brittany eventually became suspicious that

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<v Speaker 1>she was really chatting with Gabe, but it wasn't something

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<v Speaker 1>she could prove. It seems Gabe developed a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>obsession with Brittany, although he certainly never acted inappropriately towards her.

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<v Speaker 1>He emailed Brittany one last time on the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting, saying quote goodbye my love. Gabe was charged

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<v Speaker 1>with six offenses as an adult, including premeditated murder in

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<v Speaker 1>the first degree, intentional murder in the second degree and

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<v Speaker 1>felony murder in the second degree, each of which applies

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<v Speaker 1>to the murder of Seth Bartel, along with account of

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<v Speaker 1>felony murder in the second degree for the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rollins, account of assault in the second degree for

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<v Speaker 1>the threat to Mark Johnson, and one count of possession

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<v Speaker 1>of a dangerous weapon on school property. The trial commenced

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<v Speaker 1>on July fifth, two thousand and five. Gabe's attorneys argued

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<v Speaker 1>that Gabe never intended to kill anyone and didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>really want to seriously injure anyone. He just wanted a

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<v Speaker 1>scare Seth. The prosecution argued that the deaths were premeditated,

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<v Speaker 1>as evidenced by Gabe's full confession to police that he

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<v Speaker 1>made the decision to commit the shooting several days prior

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<v Speaker 1>to the act. Six mental health experts testified about Gabe's

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<v Speaker 1>mental health and state of mind. Three diagnosed Gabe with

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<v Speaker 1>schizophrenia and the other three diagnosed him with major depression

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<v Speaker 1>in remission and quote in emerging personality disorder. The trial

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<v Speaker 1>was a benched trial before the judge rather than a jury, which,

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<v Speaker 1>given the defense's arguments, was likely the safest rout for

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<v Speaker 1>their client. A judge is better suited to weigh legal

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<v Speaker 1>issues than a jury of a defendant's peers. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>judge found Gabe guilty of first degree and second degree murder.

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<v Speaker 1>He sentenced Gab to life in prison for first degree

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<v Speaker 1>murder and twelve years for second degree murder. The sentences

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<v Speaker 1>are to be served consecutively to each other. Gabe's attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>tried to file a claim of guilty by reason of insanity,

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<v Speaker 1>which would have allowed Gabe to serve his sentence in

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<v Speaker 1>a mental health facility rather than prison. The judge denied

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<v Speaker 1>this claim, ruling that Gabe was sane based on his

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<v Speaker 1>writing and the videotaped confession to police. His attorneys filed

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<v Speaker 1>multiple appeals on gabe sentence, citing a life sentence wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>constitutional for a juvenile, but none have been successful. The

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<v Speaker 1>shooter is currently thirty four years old and is housed

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<v Speaker 1>in the Minnesota Correctional Facility in Oak Park Heights. He

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<v Speaker 1>will become eligible for parole in two thousand thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>when he is fifty years old. Two days after the shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>the Rocori High School reopened. We all have the unique

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<v Speaker 1>ability to help prevent such catastrophic event from happening. If

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<v Speaker 1>we keep our eyes and ears open and never hesitate

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<v Speaker 1>to report when something or someone just doesn't seem right.

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<v Speaker 1>With the delicate balance of mental health reform, education, active

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<v Speaker 1>shooter training, and common sense gun laws, we may one

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<v Speaker 1>day realize the dream, the dream that there will be

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<v Speaker 1>no more active shootings. We pray that love will prevail

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<v Speaker 1>over hate. Too many have died, we should say to ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>not one more. In the meantime, we urge our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>to stay aware of your surroundings and keep in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with your loved ones. If you see something, say something,

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<v Speaker 1>you never know how many lives you'll be saving. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for listening to today's episode of Active Shooter the Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember if you see something, say something, there's no telling

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<v Speaker 1>how many lives you may be saving. A big thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to Darren Curtis, who composed some of the songs

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<v Speaker 1>on our show. You can find him online at www

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<v Speaker 1>dot Darren Curtis music dot com. Make sure to check

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<v Speaker 1>us out on social media. You can find us on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook at Active Shooter the Podcast and on Twitter at

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Active. Thank you and be safe.
