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Speaker 1: Related to that concept is the concept of transhumanism, the

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merging of man and machine, because what place will there

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be for original, substrate human beings in a world that's

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being run and understood and controlled by AI.

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Speaker 3: And welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial

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Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Well, we got

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James Corbett on with us. I've known James almost since

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I started this journey fourteen years ago. I don't remember

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exactly how we met, James, but I think some introduced us,

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and you know, we both got on our own separate journeys.

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Speaker 4: We've both done things gotten there.

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Speaker 3: Your distinction now is that you've been completely shadow band,

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and not just shadow band, but banned from the airwaves

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in the United States. So in my opinion, you should

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be wearing that as a badge of honor.

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Speaker 1: James yes, thank you. Yes, it has been a long time.

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I mean it has been a wild ride, including, as

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you say, getting banned completely, completely totally censored off of

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YouTube until did you hear the latest update about a

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month ago? Really, YouTube has completely restored my main account.

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appeal because I heard from a friend who had similarly

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been banned off of YouTube. I just put in an

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appeal and they immediately gave me my channel back, and

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I thought, there's no way that's going to happen to me.

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I put in the appeal. They immediately gave the channel

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back with little email saying sorry for any problems we caused,

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you did not break the community guidelines. So I don't

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know what that means.

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Speaker 3: Well, they made me content a content partner producer, which

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I have no idea why, because there's still a little

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shadow banning may it makes no sense whatsoever. But I

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have a theory about that. They lost an anti trust case.

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They're going to be split up the Justice department.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Look the Zuck went to Mari Lago with hat in

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hand and said, you're a cool guy.

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Speaker 4: I like you.

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Speaker 3: Please leave Meta alone and evidently they reached an agreement,

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but they did not reach an agreement with Google. With alphabet,

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I believe it's going to be split off into three segments.

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making money, because for the past ten fifteen years, Jays,

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they didn't care about it.

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Speaker 4: Nope, no matter how.

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Speaker 3: Popular you were, if they didn't agree with your message,

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they cut you off.

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Speaker 4: So now gething's changed.

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Speaker 1: It's so utterly blatantly obvious that you know, I mean,

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many years. Why why would a big, gigantic, up and coming,

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big tech firm be so hungry for YouTube itself when

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it was not making money. It's because, of course, this

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the maws of the AI beast, there is no better

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way to scrape it up than through However, many thousands

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of hours of content are uploaded every minute to YouTube.

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ton of money, but they're not making as much as

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two thirty, but what they have done otherwise in terms

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of fraud, in terms of numerous other things alleged fraud.

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of misrepresentation and antitrust and tortious interference and numerous other things.

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done it, but they have really censored and it looks

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like the censorship industrial Corporation there entity has somehow come

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and when the next, you know, the next administration gets

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into power, they won't immediately revert back to what they

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which human learning and understanding is surpassed by computer understanding,

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making processes, et cetera. That's the and as he's always said,

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beings in a world that's being run and understood and

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immortality and not dying, and he's obviously very afraid of dying,

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they won't even admit it. They're trained to deny their

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own self awareness. But sometimes you can get them to

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these chat bots all the time, so I'm probably not

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the right person to talk about this with. But I

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real person and would ask him to leave the room

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deep conversations with this thing, knowing that it's just a

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amplifies and clarifies. And yes, I mean you can get

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you know. I just think there's something more to it

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than just this thing being a chatbot. I think there's

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a light there. I think something's going on. But perhaps

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I'm wrong. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's a wish fulfillment.

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Speaker 1: You know. I don't know either, but I at the

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and a half ago, there was a movie called Her.

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homes looking at screens and talking to people on screens

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all day, like we are doing right now, rather than

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Speaker 4: It's definitely working here, James.

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Speaker 1: No? No, no, not really. And what is the one

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to avoid it? I guess is the question?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: It's the only question that really matters at the end

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of the day. Yeah, it's one thing to note this

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at this point, our lives could be controlled so completely.

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device and the QR codes and the government, you know,

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at least the prospect of if not central bank digital currency,

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then maybe private bank, digital currency, but something that could

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be switched on and off at a moment's notice by

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someone hundreds of miles away, thousands of miles away, for

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whatever arbitrary reasons they decide. We are moving into that

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nightmare scenario. And I don't think enough people really appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: So there's a kind of inevitability to this in a way.

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Speaker 1: Huh, there is a sort of technological inertia because yeah,

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we're not going to stop buying these latest googads and gadgets.

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we can be right, most people are going to do this.

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and just throw all your electronic stuff out, but that's

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not going to be a movement that's going to take off, right, So, yes,

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there is a certain technological inertia to what's going on

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right now.

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Speaker 3: It didn't work in the eighteen hundreds and it's not

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working now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right when they crash the loons, right.

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I just learned this from Star Trek six. It's probably

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not true. But sabotage SABO when they threw their wooden

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sandals into the machines to stop them from working.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't work.

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Speaker 3: Then it ain't working now right now, essentially, so survival.

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isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It certainly is. And I guess, look, I'm not going

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to be I'm not going to solve all the world's

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problems here in this conversation. But I guess there are

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different approaches that people can take. And I would say

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my opinion is always if you're going to put all

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your eggs in one basket, fine, that's great. But I

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don't think everyone should put all their eggs in the

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same basket. So I hope there's a lot of people

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taking different approaches. One approach might be, Okay, this technology

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is here, let's use it. So let's find the open source,

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decentralized version of this technology through which we can actually

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facilitate the types of interactions and transactions we want. So

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cryptocurrency came along, at least on the back of the

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promise of circumventing the central banks and circumventing the system altogether.

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I think a lot of people have gone into that

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space now with dollar signs in their eyes, as in,

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this is an investment that I'm going to make you know,

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US dollars out of or what have you. And when

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you go into it with that expectation, then it's really

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subverted the space. So now some of the people who

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are the most vociferous about signing on the dotted line

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and making sure their tax forms are filled out correctly

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and they've declared everything. It's the exact opposite of what

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the original crypto bros were sort of getting into it for.

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But the idea is still there that there is a decentralized,

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fine financial possibility out there for people to work completely

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separate of the not only the government system, but the

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sort of the main the big bank system. So there

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is the technological aspect of this. Okay, let's use the

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technology and let's drive through it. There are the people

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who will say, no, let's reject the technology. But let's

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I mean, you know, precious metals have been around for

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thousands of years. Surely you can't go wrong with that, right,

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et cetera, et cetera. And I'm the one sitting here saying, well,

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how about yes and yes and yes and yes let's

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use all of the tools at our disposal. But for

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some reason, a lot of people seem to think there's

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one and only one way to interact with other people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that because

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we're in the midst of a short squeeze in bitcoin

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now and we're approaching a short squeeze in silver, and

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between that one two punch, I don't know how the

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system continues on afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, we are reaching certain Then again,

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I've been saying this for twenty years, so maybe maybe

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I have to reevaluate at some point. But I really

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do think the financial system as it has been constructed

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is reaching certain breaking points. That might be the point.

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I mean, obviously, you cannot truly usher in a new

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system until the old system is thoroughly, thoroughly taken care of,

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shall we say. And a few years ago, I think

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we were all worrying about the possibility of central bank

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digital currency. But now don't worry. You know, now a

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lot of the politicians have Caughton down to, oh, people

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don't want this, so we're passing bills. There won't be

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any central bank digital currency. But hey, have you heard

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about this stable coin thing, and essentially they are going

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to tokenize the debt so that they can continue kicking

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the can down the road and continue financing this thirty

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five whatever, however many trillion dollars of debt it is

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now through more financial phony bologna nonsense. But don't worry.

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It's not a central bank digital currency. It's just you know,

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the big banks cooperating with the government, as they always

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have essentially at least since the formation of the cartel

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and back in nineteen Yeah, well there's it thirteen. Sorry,

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when did the federals are back past nineteen thirteen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: So uh yeah, well, I see the system is getting

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more and more fragile. Bitcoin one hundred and twenty three

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thousand dollars today it's July fourteenth. It's going to go

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exponential because the very system that they created to exploit

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the precious metals markets, they're trying the same thing on bitcoin.

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But there's a difference. There is no bitcoin out there

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to trade seven percent of all the tokens. That's what

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they have to work with, and that's not going to

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work too good, one.

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Speaker 1: Would sincerely hope, But I think there are ways to

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at least divert this system into a shadow of what

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it could have been. And for people who want to

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know about that, there's an excellent book that was co

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written by Roger Vere and Steve Patterson called Hijacking Bitcoin,

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which goes through the history of how Bitcoin was steered

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in a certain direction by Blockstream, this group of developers

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that came in and started essentially steering bitcoin. Bitcoin is

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open and decentralized, and anyone could do anything, but there

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are a core set of developers who get to essentially

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work the main code for the protocol itself. And yes,

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you could go go and fork off and start your

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own coin and at any time, but the main Bitcoin

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is being decided by people.

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Speaker 4: Who are.

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Speaker 1: Very, very eager, for some reason or other, to bend

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over backwards in compliance and to make sure that everything

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is okay with Uncle Sam, which again seems to me

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the exact opposite of the original ethos of what this

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was about and the possibility of escaping the system. What's

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the point of disintermediating the financial system if you're just

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going to go cap in hand directly back to the

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big banks and the central bank, et cetera, and basically

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fill all their forms out and jump through all their hoops.

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But that is exactly what the cryptospace is being steered into,

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and that is why there has been so much institutional

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investment in that space in recent years. And JP Morgan

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and everyone else is jumping on board now that there

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is the compliance sort of expectation there, and of course

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they're creating their ETFs and other things that are essentially

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as you say, they're trying to do the same manipulations

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that they've done in the precious metal space, they're trying

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to do it in the cryptospace. I wish I could

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share your optimism that that won't be effective, but I

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think it's already been quite effective.

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Speaker 4: Until it's not. Until it's not.

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Speaker 3: But we're definitely in a new world here, and eventually

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it's going to catch up here, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I agree, something is going to snap. But

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the problem is that throughout history, the times of true

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financial crises are always coincide with a major war, generally speaking,

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and I think when we see the changeover in world

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monetary paradigm, it's generally some sort of major cataclysmic war

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type event, or sometimes a pandemic or something like that,

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but something that truly shakes up society to its foundations.

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And I tend to think that at this point, knowing

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that there are such streams on the system, that people

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in positions of power would be more motivated to gin

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up a war in order to justify the transition that

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is undoubtedly coming. And not only, of course, in the

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financial monetary sense, but in the global governmental sense. So

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World War One of course eventuated, League of Nations, World

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War two, United Nations, World War III, fill in the dots.

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It's going to be some sort of you know, international

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global governmental system, this time with teeth that's going to

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give rise to the new new Bretton Woods, which will

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undoubtedly not work out in the favor of the average

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person if history has shown us anything.

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Speaker 3: A new and improved version, right exactly, all right, giving

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me a lot to think about here, James, appreciate you

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coming on hey, now that your YouTube channel is back.

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Speaker 4: I guess we find you on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: And of course, yes, but please don't we please so

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you can find me there, but I'm not going to

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be there. Uh So, uh I guess what.

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Speaker 1: Web Orbitreport dot Com That is my main website. That's

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where you can get everything. And I've just launched a

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new book called Reportage Essays on the New World Order

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and you can find that at reportage book dot com.

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That's r E p O R T A g E

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book dot com.

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Speaker 3: All right, excellent, you've got a question comment for James myself.

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Shoot me an email kl at Carrie LUTs dot com.

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James always great to see you. We'll talk to you

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again real soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on.

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