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<v Speaker 1>Last week, we covered part one of the Canadian cult

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<v Speaker 1>case known as the ant Hill Kids. We discussed the leader,

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<v Speaker 1>how the cult originated, and the abuse many of the

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<v Speaker 1>members endured. Here in part two, we will continue with

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<v Speaker 1>the horrific tales of torture and abuse that only escalated.

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<v Speaker 1>As well, we will talk about the final resolution and

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<v Speaker 1>the conviction. My name's Ben and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>And Grim, a true crime podcast. The following podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>material intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna need a drink today. I'm warning you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got whiskey because oh boy, this this is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>This is no pun intended not to that's what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>This is hard, just straight up it's gonna suck. Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I was really living my best life

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<v Speaker 2>before this. I was drinking a Christmas drink and watching

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<v Speaker 2>a Christmas movie.

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<v Speaker 1>A good old like Hallmark movie where everything's like happy

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<v Speaker 1>and like small town sort of situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow, And now I'm coming to.

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<v Speaker 1>This, Well, this is small town stuff too, just very

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<v Speaker 1>dark small town stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I just love to say really quickly too,

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<v Speaker 2>because someone I can't remember what platform it was. I

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out in Patreon. Patreon totally called me out because

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about when we great and we're like

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<v Speaker 2>December first people, but then like before December first, I

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of Christmas shopping and then I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>watching Christmas movie. So it's a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit what will be.

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<v Speaker 1>The work, But it's pick and choose when you do

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<v Speaker 1>it that at least, you know what I mean. Totally like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't want to have a Christmas Day, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to. When you decorate, it's a Christmas Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's very true, you know, yes, very true.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to quickly give our our patrons a shout

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<v Speaker 1>out because I don't want to talk too much on this.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to get into the case today because this

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<v Speaker 1>is a part two. But we did have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of people sign up for Patreon this week, so shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to Kim and her girls, Kinsley and Braylin and

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, yeah, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all getting the behind the scenes stuff and even

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<v Speaker 1>the extra episode at the end of the month.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is coming up soon. Actually it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta. We got to figure out which case we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do. For that, we got a big old lisp,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got to die there and get our stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in order.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you've made us wait long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for Part two of The ant Hill Kids. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you now you're not ready.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do not know this case yet, be prepared.

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<v Speaker 1>This gets graphic, it's gross, it's disturbing. The abuse and

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<v Speaker 1>torture is a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness. You compared it to another one of our cases.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a doozy juneco.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's not comparable, but it's at that level

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<v Speaker 1>of holy shit, if that makes sense. Yeah, okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So last episode or sorry episode, we covered a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of like rasch or roche or rock apparently is more

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<v Speaker 1>how you pronounce it, but I'm going to stick with

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<v Speaker 1>Roche because of how I've been pronouncing it. So Roche

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<v Speaker 1>and how he started his cult known as the ant

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<v Speaker 1>Hill Kids. We covered the development of the abuse tortured

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<v Speaker 1>and covered the events that unfolded, and we left off

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty seven, when fourteen children were removed from

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<v Speaker 1>the commune and placed into foster homes. The cult was

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<v Speaker 1>left with just adults, two men and eight women, and

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<v Speaker 1>Roche once again seemed to level up his abuse. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where we left off. Kay, you ready for this? Okay? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>as he leveled up his abuse, he only worsened. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem like anything really mattered. Just every year, every month,

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<v Speaker 1>every incident, whatever, he just intensified in his wicked behaviors.

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<v Speaker 1>With just a few drinks, he would launch into ramblings

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<v Speaker 1>about the Master of life and death, the good and

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<v Speaker 1>bad Creator. On one occasion, inexplicably enraged at one of

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<v Speaker 1>the commune members, whose name was Claude Oulette, he issued

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<v Speaker 1>a very bizarre ordered. He instructed him to wear an

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<v Speaker 1>elastic band and wind it very tightly around his scrotum.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know why. I wasn't expecting that.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you this is gonna get graphic and wow, brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not skimp when it came to any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of torture by any means necessary. He was like he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>And see, I've said this before, but how does he

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<v Speaker 2>even think of that? Like, I'm sorry about I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what's wrong with you to even think. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>that as a torture thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Okay, Well, Claude adhered to the strange

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<v Speaker 1>order by his messiah that they called Moses, remember, and

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<v Speaker 1>he proceeded to wear the rubber band tightly wound over

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<v Speaker 1>his scrotum, and he wore it overnight and the next

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<v Speaker 1>morning it resulted in irreversible damage to his testicles.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I can only well, you know what I can.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, well, that's apparently you feel like this

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<v Speaker 2>is much worse.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm kind of feeling it a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Yeah, but this is actually even apparently an

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<v Speaker 1>older method of castrating animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've never heard this.

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<v Speaker 1>So event you basically just wind the band around the

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<v Speaker 1>testicles and eventually they fall off. Gosh, because it cuts

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<v Speaker 1>off circulation and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, but I feel like that it just can't be.

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<v Speaker 2>That can't feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I can't imagine it would. Yeah. In response, Roche

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<v Speaker 1>decided didn't decide to actually to take pity or feel

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<v Speaker 1>remorseful to this incident. Instead, he decided to take matters

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<v Speaker 1>into his own hands. After all, he has performed surgeries

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<v Speaker 1>and his commune members before, Right, so what would be

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<v Speaker 1>the different about this situation. So Roche began performing a

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<v Speaker 1>very gruesome procedure on Claude in order to quote repair

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<v Speaker 1>his testicle.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, how the fuck does he think he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to repair his testicle?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he started by using a razor blade to slice

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<v Speaker 1>open claud scroll and with his hand, he manually removed

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<v Speaker 1>the now infected testicle. What and cauterize the wombed with

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<v Speaker 1>a hot piece of iron?

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<v Speaker 2>What the ship?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>He removed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he cut open his scrotum and pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>his testy and then seared it shut with a hot iron.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm sure that felt real good.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm sure it did.

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<v Speaker 2>Something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Subsequently, Roche decided that he needed to hold a vote,

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<v Speaker 1>so he orchestrated one, and this was to decide whether

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<v Speaker 1>Claude should be stoned to death for allegedly quote offending God. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the vote did not go through as Roche was hoped,

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<v Speaker 1>and his proposal was overturned. So Roche resorted to wielding

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<v Speaker 1>an acetylene torch, which is that torch they use in

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<v Speaker 1>welding oxy acetylene towards. They call it so it makes

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<v Speaker 1>his oxygen acetylene so that torch that literally melts metal.

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<v Speaker 1>He began and wielding this and threatening to use it

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<v Speaker 1>to cut open Claude's stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I mean, look what the guy just did

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<v Speaker 2>to him. Not that it's oh sorry, who the Shitroch.

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<v Speaker 1>Was wielding this because the vote was no.

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<v Speaker 2>So now he has something even more so against Clyde Claude. Claude.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So he's like, okay, you know what, This surgery

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<v Speaker 1>is now done, but you offended God for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>because I guess his testicle gout infected. So he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>should we stone him to death now? And they're like no.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's like, well, fuck this, I'm going to fucking

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<v Speaker 1>just cut him open with him the subtlean torch instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Then screw you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so say so, my mind altered what you said

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<v Speaker 2>to make it more easy for me to digest. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was literally this guy that was getting his testicle

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<v Speaker 2>cut doing the voted, like doing a vote and going

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<v Speaker 2>to no.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but okay, that's not what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Roche saying, okay, for whatever reason, now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not done with your surgery, and I just want you

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<v Speaker 1>to suffer more, so should we stone them? Is yes? Okay, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>Well Claude was rightfully terrified in the situation, so he ran.

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<v Speaker 1>He resorted to seeking refuge in the woods nearby. They

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<v Speaker 1>lived kind of out in the woods anyways. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a strategy that was not unfamiliar to the commune at

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<v Speaker 1>this time. He and others regularly use this tactic when

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<v Speaker 1>Roche descended into his bouts of frequent drunkenness. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of a routine tactic at this point. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like to temporarily get away from the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>The madness.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically kind of like a kid running to the room

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<v Speaker 1>and closing the door. It's their safe place. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing they can think of to get away.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really sad.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the members, by the name of Jissel in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>would occasionally take shelter at her father's house until Roche

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<v Speaker 1>would persuade her to return to what he deemed her

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<v Speaker 1>quote true family. Despite a temporary period of good treatment

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<v Speaker 1>upon her return, Giselle inevitably faced repercussions for running away

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<v Speaker 1>and bringing dishonor to Roche. So even though he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all good, Just come back. We're your family, and

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<v Speaker 1>say the first day or two was good. He's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all good, you're back. We're happy to have you back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he resorted to a ship right away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all.

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<v Speaker 1>One incident, in February of nineteen eighty seven, Roche impulsively

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<v Speaker 1>hurled a hunting knife aunt Chizelle, inflicting a three inch

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<v Speaker 1>deep gash on her thigh that immediately began gushing blood profusely.

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<v Speaker 1>Roche showed zero remorse for any feeling for that matter,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead he just simply fetched another beer and went

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<v Speaker 1>to bed. Holy shit, Yeah, wow, this guy is fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that you would just hurt someone to

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<v Speaker 2>that extend and just like pace, Yeah that is that's

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of monster right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it gets even worse than that situation because he

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<v Speaker 1>went to bed with his beer. But then he woke

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<v Speaker 1>up two hours later and discovered a clot had formed

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<v Speaker 1>in Jizelle's swollen leg as a result of the injury.

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<v Speaker 1>And once he discovered this, Roache decided to take matters

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<v Speaker 1>into his own hands, opting to perform another makeshift operation. No,

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<v Speaker 1>so he pressed hard on Jizelle's leg to force the

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<v Speaker 1>wound to reopen. Gosh, he probed it with a red

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<v Speaker 1>hot iron file and poured cup after cup of boiling

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<v Speaker 1>water onto the injury, scalding it and burning her over

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<v Speaker 1>and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's way too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is just scratching the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh. Okay, I felt that one though.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, the shit he's doing is beyond gruesome, beyond horrifying,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's no words.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and it's so sad that these people can't get away,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh, I'm going to touch on a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, well, her poor damn leg, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean a week later, though, the woundn't became infected,

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<v Speaker 1>no barbaric surgeries that are being done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so then what.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Roche decided to give it another go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, no, I don't want to hear about

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<v Speaker 1>No, so to this same girl who he just sliced

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<v Speaker 1>oil and spruce gum. So because it's infected, he's shoving

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, eventually Giselle was able to recover enough that she

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<v Speaker 1>was able to attempt to escape once more. But a

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<v Speaker 1>few days later she returned to Roast just as before,

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<v Speaker 1>truly believed that she needed to return to fulfill her

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<v Speaker 1>role in God's plan and to remain with Roache despite

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<v Speaker 1>the ongoing cycle of abuse and control that's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he really has a hold on them, he really does.

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<v Speaker 2>It's shocking that you would just go through that much

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<v Speaker 2>and then and then you know, still feel the need

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<v Speaker 2>to be coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not that they're coming back for Roche. They're

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<v Speaker 1>coming back because of God. They believe he is this

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<v Speaker 1>conduit through which they are serving the Lord. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they think. It's not that, oh, Roche is all

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<v Speaker 1>powerful and all knowing, it's he is bringing God us

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<v Speaker 1>through God, and like he's the pathway.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're having to go through these things to get

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<v Speaker 2>through this pathway or closer to God or whatever, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of kind of yeah, Okay, it's more so they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going through them to get closer to God. It's

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<v Speaker 1>that this is just like how it is and what

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<v Speaker 1>has to happen for whatever reason. These things are serving

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<v Speaker 1>a purpose that they just don't know about, but Roche

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<v Speaker 1>clearly does.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, of course, Giselle wasn't the only one of the

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<v Speaker 1>group though, who was suffering at the hands of their

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<v Speaker 1>supposed messiah. Roche subjected another member, Josie, to the a

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<v Speaker 1>settling torch, the one that he liked to wave around

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<v Speaker 1>so frivalently and threaten people with. He held the burning

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<v Speaker 1>torch up to her flesh until her skin began to bubble.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a burning torch that is to weld metal.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what does this fucking guy think he is?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he thinks he's something He really does. Another member

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<v Speaker 1>was giving birth for the first time, and in that

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable moment, he callously passed the torch across her stomach

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of her giving birth. He just runs

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<v Speaker 2>You're fucking kidding me.

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<v Speaker 1>Another member, Jaquez, suffered a blow to the head with

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<v Speaker 1>a blunt axe and his ribs were fractured by the

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive and mercy swing of a wooden club. The brutality

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<v Speaker 1>never got better, It only continued to worsen. A woman

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Nicole experienced a miscarriage due to

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<v Speaker 1>the trauma of a beating from Roche. On a separate occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>Roche even shot her in the shoulder with a three

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<v Speaker 1>or three caliber rifle.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, Okay, this is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you this is a fucked up case.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even believe that the harm he is doing

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<v Speaker 2>to these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we covered a lot in episode one in the

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<v Speaker 1>first part of this, and I mean there were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of children getting injured and abused as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>now that the children are gone, for whatever reason, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like he just is upping it even more, getting worse.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think he could get worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he is. That really hits me the whole,

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<v Speaker 2>like giving birth and injuring her at the same time, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you freaking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what he did.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't get any lower than this sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck And like I'm sure that was even his kid, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like, yeah, most likely actual fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was constantly on a rampage. He was he

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<v Speaker 1>was looking for ideas to torment abuse anyone for any

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<v Speaker 1>fucking reason. H He didn't need a weapon either. Giselle

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<v Speaker 1>fell victim to his steel toe boots, resulting in broken ribs.

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<v Speaker 1>Claude endured methodical torment, including the deliberate spraining of his

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<v Speaker 1>toes in a gruesome incidant where a piece of broken

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<v Speaker 1>glass was used to slice open his arm. Roche extracted

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<v Speaker 1>eleven of Claude's teeth with a pair of pliers despite

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<v Speaker 1>having absolutely no dental issues whatsoever, and he commanded one

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<v Speaker 1>of his wives to break Claude's legs with a sledgehammer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that is so much abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>He used vice grips as a torture method on Gabe,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabrielle and esz L's nipples until they bled. Claude, in

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<v Speaker 1>one horrifying incident, was hog tied and suspended from the

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<v Speaker 1>ceiling for an hour while Roche ordered others of his

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<v Speaker 1>wives and to shave off Claude's pubic hair and pour

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<v Speaker 1>boiling water all over him. Cool Roche punched another member

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Solange brutally in the neck, knocking

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<v Speaker 1>her out cold. Jaquez was ordered to inflict pain on

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<v Speaker 1>Gabrielle by smashing her thigh with a sledgehammer, while Roche

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<v Speaker 1>personally squeezed Gabrielle's hand in a vice and whipped her

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<v Speaker 1>in the eye with a belt. Man it doesn't stop.

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<v Speaker 1>The abuse extent into more sinister acts too. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm laughing that. It's just it's an uncomfortable thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's uncomprehendible.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, I don't I don't know how to present this information. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, it's so far beyond fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm, well you're yeah. I laugh often when I'm uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a coping mechanism.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is, honestly for me right now. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>this abuse went far more sinister in other acts too.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, Roche was roast stuck a hypodermic needle into

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<v Speaker 1>Gabrielle's back, containing an unknown concoction, and he, while it

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<v Speaker 1>was in Gabrielle, began twisting the needle until the tip

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<v Speaker 1>broke off underneath her skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When I was researching that one, that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ones I felt the most.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, holy I I yeah, okay, Yeah, you were

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<v Speaker 2>right when you said that you're gonna need a drink

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<v Speaker 2>for this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. My whiskey is almost gone already. M you good?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, the last episode, please remind me here he

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<v Speaker 2>had he killed, he'd killed like a kid or a

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<v Speaker 2>baby or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, he had?

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<v Speaker 2>And like, are none of these adults succumbing to these injuries?

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<v Speaker 1>Not so much? No.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I can't even believe what these people can endure

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right. There was some adults, at least one

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<v Speaker 1>passing away as a result, but that is to come

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. Still we will talk on that, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Regarding Gabrielle, though with the hypodermic needle, he also further

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<v Speaker 1>subjected her to torture by burning her breasts and genitalia

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<v Speaker 1>with that same torch.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my, gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack has under orders cut off half of Gabrielle's left

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<v Speaker 1>pinky finger with a pair of wire cutters, and her

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<v Speaker 1>other fingers were broken with a board. Oh Roche struck

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<v Speaker 1>and broke Slange's cheekbone when she was six months pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>The cruelty even extended to animals, as Roche in one situation,

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<v Speaker 1>beat one of their horses to death with a chain.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, there are literally no words I have that

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<v Speaker 1>can truly describe this individual. Yeah, I can't. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>And the real fucked up thing though, that just came

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<v Speaker 2>to my mind is like this is the shit that

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<v Speaker 2>you're just able to find right like out there, Like

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<v Speaker 2>how much more is there that like was forgotten or

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<v Speaker 2>that they didn't want to, you know, say, or whatever, Like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is honestly as disturbing as it is. It's probably

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<v Speaker 2>just like the tip of the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. Yeah, And I can imagine, Okay, they're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>in this situation, so and so got struck in the

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<v Speaker 1>face and had their cheekbone broken. How many times were

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<v Speaker 1>they struck in the face before the cheekbone was broken?

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<v Speaker 1>Were they struck the day before the day before that,

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<v Speaker 1>the day before that, and were they being struck for

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<v Speaker 1>the last month or two in a row every morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the one incident we're talking about is when

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<v Speaker 1>they were hit and their bone broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like it's so fucking sick.

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<v Speaker 2>It is really, really, really disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, though, you are right, we are only

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<v Speaker 1>scratching the surface because there is still more to come

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, everything you say, I'm like, Okay, that's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be it. That's got to be it. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to pull the label off my fucking drink here because

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<v Speaker 2>it's I'm just like, need something to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your anxiety is getting to you. You need an outlet.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't blame you.

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<v Speaker 2>I need like a stress ball or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, if you guys are listening to this while you're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in your office or something, I can guarantee you

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<v Speaker 1>probably are either a sitting back and you're like clenching

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<v Speaker 1>your coffee mug or cup, or you are biting or

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<v Speaker 1>chewing on a pen or fiddling with it fivorously, or

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<v Speaker 1>you do have a stress ball in your hand. One

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<v Speaker 1>of those three things.

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<v Speaker 2>Why the shit do I not have one of those?

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<v Speaker 2>We should get one of those for like a person listening,

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<v Speaker 2>We really should. That's an amazing idea, that is, But to.

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<v Speaker 1>Move on to say that we are only looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the tip of the iceberg. Another incident, for example, was

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<v Speaker 1>Gabrielle experienced a very horrifying medical incident when her uterus prolapsed,

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<v Speaker 1>which is commonly caused as a result of childbirth. Rather

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<v Speaker 1>than seeking professional medical help, she endured another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Roche's makeshift attempts of medical surgeries, and in this case

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<v Speaker 1>a correction including punching the uterus back inside and fashioning

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<v Speaker 1>a wooden cone and trust to essentially plug her up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, her uterus was prolapsing, so he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>punch it back in place, and when that didn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>he used wood to basically cram it and hold it back.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, my jaw is like on the ground right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Now. She did run away to a woman's

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<v Speaker 1>shelter at one point, but Gabrielle returned to the compound

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<v Speaker 1>instead of seeking proper medical care. It took a year

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<v Speaker 1>before she could undergo a partial hysterectomy at Ross Memorial

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00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Hospital in Lindsay, but she had to do so under

426
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.839
<v Speaker 1>one of Rosche's abstinence trips to Utah behind his back.

427
00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Dang, that is just oh man. The fact that they

428
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>just keep going back is just so it just like

429
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 2>makes my heart hurt so bad.

430
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't and I'm not.

431
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 2>Blaming them or anything, oh, definitely not, but it's just like, yikes,

432
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.319
<v Speaker 2>I would do anything to get them out of the situation.

433
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, like, all these things are so fucking disturbing,

434
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 1>but the worst part of it is is that psychological

435
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.880
<v Speaker 1>control that Roche has over there. That's the biggest mind

436
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>fuck to me. Like I can't fathom being in that

437
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>situation and still this individual has that control. That is

438
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>so disturbing to me that he has that power.

439
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again when he's doing things like this.

440
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again, I'm not blaming the individuals whatsoever. And

441
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned that, we're going to try and like

442
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:54.079
<v Speaker 1>get a peek at their point of view. This is

443
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:55.759
<v Speaker 1>the moment that I have here. I actually have a

444
00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.039
<v Speaker 1>letter that one of them wrote to Roche, so that

445
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:05.839
<v Speaker 1>goes like this, good day, Moses, my master. I would

446
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:08.599
<v Speaker 1>have liked to have talked to you yesterday evening, but

447
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it is preferable to write these things down

448
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>rather than saying them for fear of talking too much.

449
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I am going to talk to you about the last

450
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.200
<v Speaker 1>fit of anger that your master exercised through you. I

451
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>really believe that what you did doesn't come from you,

452
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.279
<v Speaker 1>but from someone much higher. For my part, I really

453
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.319
<v Speaker 1>believe that you were possessed by a very powerful spirit.

454
00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>That's what I saw in what you did, the throwing

455
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.839
<v Speaker 1>of the knife, the rifle shot, the harm done to many.

456
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.119
<v Speaker 1>My eye saw things that went beyond them. My body

457
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.039
<v Speaker 1>is very afraid of all these things. I understand it

458
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 1>very well because of the law of death in which

459
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>it exists. But within myself I am well. I am

460
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:59.319
<v Speaker 1>very well and very happy to belong to a real

461
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>mass her who himself belongs to the only real master

462
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>of life. Love. Rachelle in Brackets aka Solange Boillard.

463
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Hmm. I was not when you said that you were

464
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>going to read a letter. I wasn't expecting that for

465
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:18.519
<v Speaker 2>some reason.

466
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>So this is the individual who had the knife thrown

467
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>at her, Yeah, gash in the boiling water and the

468
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.519
<v Speaker 1>iron prod and then the wound packed, who ran away

469
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to come back and was shot in the shoulder with

470
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:37.839
<v Speaker 1>a rifle and I want to touch a one specific

471
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:45.039
<v Speaker 1>thing here. The very first sentence, it goes like this,

472
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I would have liked to have talked to you yesterday evening,

473
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's preferable to write these things down

474
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.640
<v Speaker 1>rather than saying them for fear of talking too much. Yea,

475
00:27:57.759 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 1>talking too much.

476
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like she to go in punished if she had

477
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.559
<v Speaker 2>said all of that, which isn't even a long letter

478
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 2>to him, not Yeah.

479
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>So holy fucking that alone. And then of course the

480
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>whole point of her saying that there's another spirit acting

481
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>through you, it's not you doing it. I feel very

482
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.599
<v Speaker 1>blessed to be serving you because you serve.

483
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 2>A higher being.

484
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Like, holy fuck. That is so fucked up. Yeah,

485
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>that he has them believing this, even after all the

486
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 1>things he's doing to them. I feel so bad for

487
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>these individuals because they want so bad to serve their

488
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 1>their savior, their Lord, their their religious idol. I understand

489
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>individuals have their religion and that's what they believe is

490
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.279
<v Speaker 1>going on, is it's simply God. And I feel so

491
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>bad that Roche or Rock or whatever the fuck this

492
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 1>douchebag's name is is taking that away from them and

493
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:10.559
<v Speaker 1>replacing it with this horror that they don't even know

494
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 1>is happening.

495
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so hard to even know what to say.

496
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>That letter, for some reason has me just a little bit.

497
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't even have words, like just heart broken.

498
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the best way I can play.

499
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Like you almost just need to sit there for a

500
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 2>few minutes and just digest that. But then I feel

501
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>like if you think about it too much, you just

502
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:32.920
<v Speaker 2>like ball your face off.

503
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I could read this letter every day

504
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of my life, and I don't know

505
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.519
<v Speaker 1>if I could fully ever digest this letter.

506
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, you probably couldn't, Like I mean, we couldn't.

507
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:45.839
<v Speaker 2>There's no way, No, there's no way.

508
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I could never put myself in their shoes. I could

509
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>never understand the pain, the power, the faith that went

510
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>into this. Never could never. Yeah, it baffles me, and

511
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.759
<v Speaker 1>I feel so bad for the individuals.

512
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's bizarre that someone could possess this much power

513
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 2>over someone else, It really is. Yeah, it's mind blowing.

514
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well we're going to carry on away from the

515
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 1>letter here though. Now we're into the fall of nineteen

516
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>eighty eight, and this marked a very tragic and terrifying

517
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>episode in Solange's life. Solange is the one who wrote

518
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the letter. Convinced by Roche that something was wrong with

519
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 1>her liver, Solange was manipulated into believing that she needed

520
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>on operation.

521
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, and this is like a big one.

522
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're talking liver, We're talking yeah.

523
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

524
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>So, during an afternoon of excessive drinking, Roche's behavior took

525
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.720
<v Speaker 1>another violent turn as he began strangling the women in

526
00:30:55.839 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 1>the commune, claiming that their breath belonged to him. Holy shit,

527
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>And in a disturbing sequence of events, he now adorned

528
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>himself with jewelry and announced his intention to quote treat Solange.

529
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, oh no.

530
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>He led the group to their bakery, where he cleared

531
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 1>a table and instructed Solange to undress and lay down.

532
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>He inserted a tube into her rectum and used a

533
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 1>mixture of molasses, oil, and water as an enema fluid.

534
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 1>This ordeal lasted for half an hour, during which Roche

535
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>encouraged Solange not to be embarrassed about losing control of

536
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>her bodily functions. I mean, after all, she is going

537
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 1>through an enema here with some terrible fucking fluids. And

538
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>he then proceeded to press and punch her stomach, insisting

539
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that she moved her hands when she dared tried to

540
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 1>fend him off and fight back. Adding to the cruelty,

541
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>he inserted a tube down her throat and instructed to

542
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>blow and suck on the other end of the tube.

543
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>What the shit.

544
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Then, with a knife in his hand, Roche made a

545
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:14.519
<v Speaker 1>five inch vertical incision on Solange's stomach, just below her

546
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>ribs on the right side. He took his hand and

547
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 1>reached into the incision with his fingers and pulled out

548
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>a strip of tissue approximately four inches long and a

549
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>quarter of an inch thick. He tore it off and declared, there,

550
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be all right, as another member of

551
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the group was tasked with sewing her wound closed.

552
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, he and he's doing this and she's

553
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 2>just like awake.

554
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's awake. She has no form of any sort

555
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of like painkillers, nothing.

556
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Holy okay, that makes me feel ill.

557
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Time well. Following this quote procedure if you will, Solange

558
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 1>was sent back to the cabin, where Roche ordered her

559
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 1>to take a warm bath filled with cherry. This only

560
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.480
<v Speaker 1>aggravated her condition, so Roche then subjected her to a

561
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>cold bath instead, because if the first one didn't work, well,

562
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>this one will. And upon her taking the cold bath,

563
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 1>she then would return to bed, and Solange began bleeding

564
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>from her mouth and would pass away.

565
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. No.

566
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Medical professionals later determined that Solange's cause of death

567
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:43.599
<v Speaker 1>was acute pertonitis, which is an inflammation of the pertinonium

568
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:50.279
<v Speaker 1>resulting from digestive fluids leaking into the abdominal cavity. It's

569
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>assumed what was cut from what Roche cut was part

570
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>of her intestine.

571
00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because I was just like, what the sh

572
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>did he pull out?

573
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>We don't know, It's just that's assumed. But it was

574
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 1>some part clearly of her digestive.

575
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Track, something that like her body needed.

576
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.039
<v Speaker 1>He literally pulled out an organ, ripped a chunk off,

577
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 1>shoved it back in, sewed her up.

578
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.679
<v Speaker 2>O oh man, I.

579
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Am so appalled, dear, okay, okay, yeah, her poor body,

580
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 3>what it endured, Oh my gosh, for absolutely like no reason.

581
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when she was completely fine.

582
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.

583
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Now. The aftermath of Solange's death plunged Roche into a

584
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>state of despair, leading him to attempt suicide. In various ways. Initially,

585
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 1>he implored Jaquez to shoot him, then he tried an

586
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 1>overdose on Tyler Know and ultimately attempted to drown himself. However,

587
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.559
<v Speaker 1>in a letter later addressed to the spirit of the deceased,

588
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Roche declared a peculiar experience where a mysterious force intervened,

589
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.400
<v Speaker 1>freeing him from his binds. During the drowning attempt, he

590
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 1>emerged from the waters exclaiming, God doesn't want me to die. Yeah, sure,

591
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>that sounds pretty fucking convenient to me. Yeah. So, following

592
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>this ordeal, he contacted doctor Jess gost Beck and traveled

593
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>to Utah in October of sixteenth. October sixteenth of nineteen

594
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>eighty eight, in a meeting with doctor goes Back, Roche

595
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>claimed that Slange had died suddenly in the woods due

596
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 1>to a spontaneously erupted vein in her esophagus.

597
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, could that have been any more false?

598
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Right now? Doctor goes Beck reassured Roche that there was

599
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing he could have done to save her, but Roche,

600
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:56.480
<v Speaker 1>guided by his strange dreams, asserted that God has designated

601
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>doctor gos Beck as his guide, and in these dreams,

602
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Roche claimed Solange was inside his body with her form

603
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>emerging from his ejaculate. So he and doctor, you know what,

604
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>fuck doctor, it's just goes back to me. I'm not

605
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna call him a fucking doctor anymore because fuck that.

606
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.599
<v Speaker 1>This person's fucked too. The two of them them concocted

607
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a fantastical belief that Solange was to basically experience a

608
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 1>reverse birth through the belly of a male, mirroring the

609
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.599
<v Speaker 1>birth of the womb from a female basically. So Doctor's like, oh,

610
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't stop the death. Oh yeah, sure you could

611
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:41.559
<v Speaker 1>give birth to I mean, I mean, maybe maybe I'm

612
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.760
<v Speaker 1>reading too much into it. Maybe this doctor is like

613
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 1>talking completely hypothetical here and is like, maybe it's being

614
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 1>a little more therapeutic. But Roche literally is thinking he

615
00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>can rebirth Solange just as paralleling birthing through a female

616
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:00.519
<v Speaker 1>l womb.

617
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Because I was like, what the fuck are you talking

618
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 2>about here? I was so confused, but that I was like,

619
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 2>that's not what it is, But that is what it is.

620
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, that's exactly what it is. He was now

621
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 1>convinced that he was basically pregnant with Solange. Yeah. He

622
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 1>even actually went and performed a post mortem marriage by proxy,

623
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 1>officially recognizing the union between him and Solange.

624
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this shit is just getting worse and worse.

625
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I told you this is fucked up.

626
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Holy what are you doing to us here? This is okay?

627
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I fucking told you. Okay, are you good? You're crossing

628
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>your arms down.

629
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:45.639
<v Speaker 2>And like, I know, well, I've like been my like this.

630
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I've been putting my nails into my hands, like I

631
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 2>this is just okay, I just am. I'm going through

632
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of emotions right now, Okay.

633
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough. I mean, it's just so, it's so messed up.

634
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Like I haven't no other words. I have no words

635
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 1>at all to describe. I have nothing, like I don't

636
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.639
<v Speaker 1>know what to say. I literally don't.

637
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how you went about researching this.

638
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I don't even know if I would

639
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 2>physically be able to so like, good on you that

640
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 2>that is something.

641
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I appreciate that it was not an easy task.

642
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, every episode takes its toll, don't get me wrong,

643
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:27.840
<v Speaker 1>But then there are.

644
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Some that are more so, Like I would be stress eating.

645
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I probably would have gained ten pounds researching this episode.

646
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's things that we research and it becomes almost expected,

647
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.079
<v Speaker 1>it becomes almost the normal. When you're looking at true crime,

648
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 1>and anyone out there who listens to true crime or

649
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:50.039
<v Speaker 1>researches or anything on a regular basis, there's murder. Is

650
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.440
<v Speaker 1>it's normal in the true crime world. Doesn't make it

651
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 1>less horrific, don't get me wrong, but you are caught

652
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>off guard when something, all of a sudden is worse

653
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 1>than a murder. It's like, what the fuck? H So, yeah,

654
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and this one is it's beyond messed up by any means.

655
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like I've already said, it's it's literally uncomprehendible

656
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.719
<v Speaker 2>what he did to these people.

657
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, once Roche returned from Utah to see this

658
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>doctor or whatever, he ordered Claude to exhume Solange's body

659
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>from her grave, and Gabrielle was instructed to open Solange's

660
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 1>body and pour vinegar on her internal organs to deter

661
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 1>worms before reburying her.

662
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.239
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, she's even passed away and he's not even

663
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 2>leaving her alone.

664
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.920
<v Speaker 1>The plans didn't end there. A few days later, he

665
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>had them redig up Slane.

666
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

667
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Once more, Roche instructed Jaquez to drill a hole in

668
00:39:54.559 --> 00:40:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Solange's skull, and then Roche then began to masturbate into

669
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the opening, ejaculating into the whole of her skull, all

670
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.320
<v Speaker 1>in the misguided belief that he could somehow rebirth or

671
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>bring her back to life.

672
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm sorry, but this guy is an fucking idiot. Yes,

673
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought that I was angry, and now I'm just

674
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.599
<v Speaker 2>so beyond pissed that I don't even think I'm gonna

675
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>be of sleep tonight. So thanks a lot, dude. Sorry,

676
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I am so mad right now, rightfully, So don't get

677
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 2>mad at me. I know you look scared. Wow, but

678
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 2>that just that is just too much. Like this person

679
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.400
<v Speaker 2>is deceased. What the fuck is he doing?

680
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

681
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.840
<v Speaker 2>And he is the one that made her deceased. Yeah,

682
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>and now he's doing this to her.

683
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

684
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, I'm not okay.

685
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Neither am I trust me. I don't think anyone listening

686
00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to this right now is okay either. Okay, again, excuse

687
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>our laughter because we are so uncomfortable with this episode.

688
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 1>You like, it's beyond ridiculous.

689
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and poor Ben is now breakwor life.

690
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I kind of am now his attempt at rebirth or

691
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 1>bringing her back to life, however he wants to freaking

692
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>phrase it. His plan, of course, didn't work, and initially

693
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Roche was before all this. Roche was informed that Solange's

694
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 1>wish was to be cremated, reportedly, and he eventually reluctantly agreed,

695
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 1>and the group did burn burn Solange's body.

696
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 2>How would they have done that? They don't have that

697
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 2>means to do that, did they?

698
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming just a bonfire, and by the sounds of

699
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>the following information it makes sense. So before the cremation,

700
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>one of Solange's ribs were removed at Roche's request, which

701
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.119
<v Speaker 1>he kept in a leather wrapping as a morbid keepsake.

702
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Then after the cremation, each member of the group took

703
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 1>some of her bones for themselves in memorial. Roche collected

704
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>bone fragments in a jar and filled it with olive oil,

705
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:14.039
<v Speaker 1>which he regularly used as a misguided attempt to bring

706
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Solange back to life, continuously through his twisted notion of

707
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 1>rebirth that he still thought might happen. I guess so,

708
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming it was just on a large fire, because

709
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>they were able to collect fragments of her remain still. Hmm, Okay,

710
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 1>is that label almost off?

711
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would be ripping it off right now, but

712
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying not to make a lot of noise.

713
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 1>So fair. Now, Roche, being this all powerful being, his entity,

714
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 1>his Messiah being Moses, would soon first meet its first

715
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>ever act of real defiance.

716
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.639
<v Speaker 2>I've been waiting for this for some time now.

717
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Roche was trying to entrust his next soon to be

718
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:11.639
<v Speaker 1>born child, conceived by Francine, to the care of a

719
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 1>man by the name of Alex Joseph to prevent childcare

720
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 1>and family services from intervening. Okay, however, Alex started an argument.

721
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 1>This argument ensued between Alex and Roche over the treatment

722
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>of his wives, and Alex successfully stood up to the

723
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.360
<v Speaker 1>group's quote Messiah.

724
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.719
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't part of the group though, right.

725
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I believe he was. Okay, he might have been. Maybe

726
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 1>he's not. That's not too clear to me. I'm not certain.

727
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe a previous member. I don't know. He clearly has

728
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.079
<v Speaker 1>inside knowledge yet, because he knows the treatment right, So

729
00:43:56.119 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure the relationship of Alex with the

730
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 1>group intimately. But now, no one, regardless has stood up

731
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:12.079
<v Speaker 1>to Roache before, and this momentarily momentary display of defiance

732
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>left a very large impression on Roch's wives, showing that

733
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't actually this all powerful being. Instead, it portrayed

734
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 1>him rather human okay. As a result, group member Josie

735
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Pellettier successfully left the cult during the winter of eighty

736
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>eight and eighty nine.

737
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Nice Yes Nice.

738
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:41.280
<v Speaker 1>On July twenty sixth of nineteen eighty eight, intoxicated as usual,

739
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:49.039
<v Speaker 1>more violent tendencies escalated. Jisselle, Claude, Francine, and Maurice managed

740
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>to sneak away into the bush to hide, but Gabrielle

741
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 1>was not so fortunate. Roche screamed and ordered her to

742
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 1>place her hand on the kitchen table, and then then

743
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.800
<v Speaker 1>he rained down a knife and stabbed her in the

744
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>hand with a hunting knife, pinning her hand directly to

745
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:07.159
<v Speaker 1>the wooden table.

746
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

747
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Blood began to pour from her hand immediately, as Roche

748
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>just nonchalantly grabbed another beer and left the room. Jeeus,

749
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Gabrielle forced herself to remain conscious, and after staying there

750
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>with a knife pinning her hand down for forty five minutes,

751
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 1>Roche returned to the room. He noticed her arm had

752
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 1>now turned blue, clearly from a lack of blood in

753
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:36.119
<v Speaker 1>the extremity, so he fetched a carpenter knife and began

754
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:40.039
<v Speaker 1>cutting away at the flesh on her arm, halfway between

755
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 1>her elbow and shoulder, ultimately cutting the flesh away all

756
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>the way to the bone.

757
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

758
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>He then dislodged the hunting knife from Gabrielle's hand, took

759
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 1>her over to the stump on the kitchen floor, and

760
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:58.199
<v Speaker 1>used a dull meat cleaver and swung at the exposed bone.

761
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 1>First swing missed, but the second struck the bone and

762
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 1>broke it in half, amputating Gabrielle's arm entirely.

763
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow Okay.

764
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Remarkably, Gabrielle somehow endured this hole ordeal, and the following

765
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.480
<v Speaker 1>day she left and sought refuge at a woman's shelter.

766
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah wow, But she returned to the compound at Chaquez's request,

767
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:33.280
<v Speaker 1>urging her to return. Days later, Roche and again another

768
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:39.119
<v Speaker 1>drunken state, decided that Gabrielle's stump was now gangrenous gangrene.

769
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Using scissors, he cut off the infected flesh, but he

770
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't stop there. He also took a chunk from her

771
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 1>breast for unknown reasons. In a further act of cruelty,

772
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.599
<v Speaker 1>he struck her on the head with the side of

773
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 1>an axe, leaving a very large gash. She managed to

774
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 1>run once again and fled into the bush, but she

775
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 1>ultimately would black out.

776
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:06.079
<v Speaker 2>And I.

777
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.719
<v Speaker 1>She regained consciousness two days later.

778
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Two days Lakers still.

779
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Laying on the forest floor, and discovered that insects had

780
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:18.519
<v Speaker 1>now laid eggs in her open wounds.

781
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

782
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:24.559
<v Speaker 1>Still, she returned back to the compound.

783
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 2>This has to be she has to get away. At

784
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:29.800
<v Speaker 2>this point, She's not going to live.

785
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 1>She once again found Roche drunk and eager to perform

786
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.360
<v Speaker 1>yet another operations.

787
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

788
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:42.000
<v Speaker 1>The acetylene torch was used to cut a piece from

789
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the drive shaft of a junk car, which Roche heated

790
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.199
<v Speaker 1>until red hot and pressed against Gabrielle stump where her

791
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 1>arm once was. Finally, she had enough and she left

792
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the cult behind.

793
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I on assume stock that she lived, so am

794
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I like, that's that's something. Yeah, I for sure thought

795
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 2>that she was gonna pass away.

796
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought the same. But she endured so much

797
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and she finally left the call behind, and her escape

798
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 1>marked a very large turning point in nightmarish saga. Of

799
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 1>the antil kids.

800
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, and.

801
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Because of that she is our badass of the day.

802
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:29.719
<v Speaker 1>No shit, I mean, I can't imagine surviving that and

803
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 1>then going back, going back because of your faith being

804
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:37.800
<v Speaker 1>that strong, and then finally still surviving enough to be

805
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the one to leave and have this becoming the turning point.

806
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow.

807
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.960
<v Speaker 1>On August sixteenth, nineteen eighty nine, she reached a hospital

808
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and concocted a story explaining her missing arms. She fabricated,

809
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't explain that it was roach or anything like that.

810
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Speaker 1>The police were called, leading to a filing of an

811
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.679
<v Speaker 1>aggravated assault charge against Roche, so the police went to

812
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.199
<v Speaker 1>find them. However, when the police arrived at the compound

813
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:13.360
<v Speaker 1>on August nineteenth with a warrant for Roche's rest, they

814
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 1>found it deserted. Roche knew what was coming, so he,

815
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>along with Jaquez, Chantelle and Nicole, with the two youngest

816
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.119
<v Speaker 1>babies that had now been born, had fled to Quebec.

817
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 1>The others took Gabrielle's lead and had returned to their families,

818
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 1>breaking free from Roche's manipulative hold.

819
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm glad most of them. So he has what

820
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.800
<v Speaker 2>three women and two kids still with.

821
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Him though, right, I believe so, yes, Okay. So it

822
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:50.119
<v Speaker 1>took six weeks for the police to locate Roche. But

823
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>on October sixth, nineteen eighty nine, the day Giselle decided

824
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to finally disclose Solange's death to the authorities, Roche was

825
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 1>apprehended by the police. Good everyone, not just Roche. Everyone

826
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:10.599
<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty to charges related to Gabrielle's amputation. Roche received

827
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.119
<v Speaker 1>a twelve year sentence, later reduced to ten years due

828
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to his claimed quote genuine remorse and concern for the victim.

829
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is not even close to enough.

830
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Jaquez received five years, Chantelle received two less one day,

831
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:32.159
<v Speaker 1>and Nicole eighteen months. While facing additional charges for first

832
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:36.119
<v Speaker 1>degree murder, Roche's trial for second degree murder was pursued

833
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 1>when insufficient evidence of premeditation was found. Now it was

834
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 1>at this time very obvious that more charges were to

835
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 1>come as more and more evidence and accounts of Roch's

836
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 1>actions were being discovered. So Roach's lawyer did the only

837
00:50:54.920 --> 00:51:00.159
<v Speaker 1>thing that he could do. He negotiated a deal, a

838
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 1>deal where Roche would plead guilty to second degree murder

839
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.599
<v Speaker 1>charge in exchange for no further charges.

840
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Oh, this case is exhausting.

841
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.320
<v Speaker 1>That's one word for it.

842
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:16.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm exhausted.

843
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a very large burden, even just to hear, yeah,

844
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.760
<v Speaker 1>let alone to be a part of. So the deal

845
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:29.760
<v Speaker 1>occurred on January eighteenth, nineteen ninety three. Roche their Day

846
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.719
<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to life in prison, with parole eligibility set

847
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:41.280
<v Speaker 1>for nineteen ninety nine, only six years later. Are you good?

848
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm good? But I'm like, did this guy get the

849
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.159
<v Speaker 2>fuck out of jail or not? Did he like? He didn't? Right,

850
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.639
<v Speaker 2>he didn't get out of jail, right, there's no way.

851
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll touch on that here in a second.

852
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

853
00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, there were individuals such as Francine Chantelle Nicole known

854
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:08.159
<v Speaker 1>as Holga, Ruth, and Deborah respectively. They remained loyal.

855
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:11.039
<v Speaker 2>To Roche wow.

856
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Even having conjugal visits with him.

857
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, Okay, okay.

858
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Other survivors attempted to adapt to a new life without him.

859
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Roche's numerous children, numbering over twenty, were dispersed among foster

860
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.280
<v Speaker 1>homes across Canada and the United States.

861
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Those poor kids, Can you imagine that being your father?

862
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:33.880
<v Speaker 2>My head hurts. I'm a headache now.

863
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Now. Interestingly, and very disturbingly enough, despite the horrific nature

864
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:44.079
<v Speaker 1>of Roch's crimes, prison staff spoke very highly of him,

865
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 1>describing him as very charismatic cool, which we know from

866
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.760
<v Speaker 1>any fucking psychopath out there.

867
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes sense.

868
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Case in point, I mean the classic, the cliche Ted Bundy.

869
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, yes, but he sucks.

870
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.039
<v Speaker 1>We all know he sucks exactly. Now. In two thousand

871
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and two, Roche would officially apply for his parole, but

872
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:10.519
<v Speaker 1>his request was denied due to being assessed as a

873
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 1>high risk to people.

874
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 2>You don't say, yeah, I.

875
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Do say I very well do say. Now. In two

876
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:22.239
<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, he attempted to sell his jail cell artwork.

877
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 1>He's sitting there and his cell doing some artwork on it. Well,

878
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.239
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to sell it on a murder themed auction

879
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 1>website catering to true crime enthusiasts. Oh so true crime memorabilia.

880
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe document signed by Ted Bundy for example.

881
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.440
<v Speaker 1>We just spoke him already, so we'll just say Ted

882
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Bundy signed court documents or something like that. Right, So

883
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.719
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to sell his own artwork on this website.

884
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Which is so disturbing because people would buy that.

885
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:51.760
<v Speaker 1>For sure, Yeah they would, But the attempt to profit

886
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>from his crimes was denied as artwork was blocked from

887
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 1>leaving the prison.

888
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Good Yeah.

889
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.519
<v Speaker 1>As the final piece to the puzzle, the chapter of Roche,

890
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.760
<v Speaker 1>their day would finally come to an end on February

891
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:11.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth in two Thy eleven, before he ever had

892
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to see parole or the outside world, Roche's

893
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 1>cellmate approached him and stabbed him in the neck repeatedly

894
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:27.360
<v Speaker 1>with a makeshift shank, killing him behind bars. After the attack,

895
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:32.159
<v Speaker 1>the roommate casually walked to the guard station, handed over

896
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>the weapon, and declared, quote, that piece of shit is

897
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 1>down the range. Here's the knife. I've sliced him up.

898
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.679
<v Speaker 1>Roche was discovered dead near his cell at the age

899
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:53.280
<v Speaker 1>of sixty three.

900
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.679
<v Speaker 2>And that guy just didn't give a fuck. He was like, fuck,

901
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:55.920
<v Speaker 2>this just needs to end.

902
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Pretty.

903
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.119
<v Speaker 2>It's basically his thought process there.

904
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I think, so wow, and that is the case. That

905
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.719
<v Speaker 1>is the story. That is the cult known as the

906
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>ant Hill Kids.

907
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Huh. I feel like wow, that was a ride and

908
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:19.639
<v Speaker 2>a half. I feel right now like my like, my

909
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 2>chest is tight, my eyes feel like they could start crying.

910
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know why, because the end of that

911
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:30.159
<v Speaker 2>was just such just so much mixed emotions there. Oh

912
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:30.920
<v Speaker 2>my gosh.

913
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's about how I feel too, It's so fucked up.

914
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Wow, what is what did you say to the guard?

915
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Can you say that again? Please? I need to hear

916
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:41.239
<v Speaker 2>that again.

917
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the quote is that piece of shit is

918
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:49.000
<v Speaker 1>down on the range. Here's the knife. I've sliced them up.

919
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:59.360
<v Speaker 2>WHOA not a single fuck given? Yeah, huh. I mean,

920
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:01.880
<v Speaker 2>but the thing is, if it wasn't for that guy,

921
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:03.880
<v Speaker 2>like he would have got out.

922
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Of jail for sure, probably would have.

923
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 2>And I can only imagine what would have happened. Yeah,

924
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 2>because he still had followers too.

925
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:19.280
<v Speaker 1>He did, Yeah, he very much so did. And I

926
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:23.039
<v Speaker 1>mean a life sentence is not it's not a person's life.

927
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:24.840
<v Speaker 1>It's not for the rest of your life. Like you

928
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:28.119
<v Speaker 1>can get out on a life sentence very much so easily,

929
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.239
<v Speaker 1>totally you serve that time you're still out well.

930
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and they were already saying that he was

931
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.719
<v Speaker 2>doing good in there, so like I'm sure they'd been like, yeah,

932
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was an angel in jail, like he's

933
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:40.039
<v Speaker 2>he's good.

934
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean like he was denied parole in

935
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:48.039
<v Speaker 1>what was it two thousand and two when he was

936
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:52.239
<v Speaker 1>up eligible for parole in nineteen ninety nine, so he

937
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:56.039
<v Speaker 1>was denied his parole, then give him a few more years, sure, yeah,

938
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.800
<v Speaker 1>probably freaking try it again and probably get it because.

939
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like he really wasn't very old when he died

940
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:06.079
<v Speaker 2>sixty three, So I mean, the chances are very high

941
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 2>that he would have gotten out of there when he was,

942
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:12.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, at a still reasonable age or whatever. Yeah,

943
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.639
<v Speaker 2>but I'm actually surprised that he did stay in jail

944
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:16.159
<v Speaker 2>that long.

945
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>A little bit, it's same because we've seen a lot

946
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of people with more sentences get out sooner.

947
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, that was that was something.

948
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 1>That was definitely something.

949
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:36.079
<v Speaker 2>I am going to have some cheese and crackers now,

950
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.440
<v Speaker 2>just comfort food. Well before this, I was like, oh,

951
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't need a snack, but now I do you

952
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.480
<v Speaker 2>know that that was just that was unbelievable.

953
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Do you need a hug?

954
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Now?

955
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

956
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I love you too, don't I don't think it's a

957
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.239
<v Speaker 2>hug that I need. I don't know what I need. Wow,

958
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.079
<v Speaker 2>you probably need a hug after researching that.

959
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm honestly I feel like you know, when you

960
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:06.599
<v Speaker 1>like take a deep breath and you exhale after like

961
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a major like stressful event or like you're super like

962
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 1>angry about something, there's that like just like weight off

963
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:18.039
<v Speaker 1>your shoulder almost every time you do it. That's how

964
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 1>I felt all fucking day.

965
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay, I mean it's it's it's insane

966
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:32.679
<v Speaker 2>that like this. It's good we covered that, you covered

967
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 2>this or whatever, but that's also like crazy to me

968
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.639
<v Speaker 2>that this was Canadian. For some reason, I.

969
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Can't believe I've never heard of this growing up.

970
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because we would have been alive at this time.

971
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I was born and we we were

972
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.679
<v Speaker 1>both born in eighty eight, so he was apprehended when

973
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:53.960
<v Speaker 1>was it it was eighty nine, was it? Or no,

974
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 1>it was later than that.

975
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:56.320
<v Speaker 2>But still he would have had it been in the

976
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>news and stuff when like his parole was coming exactly

977
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 2>and when he died and stuff. When he died, we

978
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:06.039
<v Speaker 2>definitely like we were it's surprising we didn't. Maybe we did,

979
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and we just you know didn't look at it.

980
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:15.280
<v Speaker 1>We're kids, We you know, we don't know sort of thing. Yeah, yeah,

981
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:16.159
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to say.

982
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is wild.

983
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. October sixth nineteen eighty nine, so he was apprehended

984
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.000
<v Speaker 1>when we were one year old, but.

985
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Not that we would have known at that point. But

986
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's I'm just surprised that I don't remember

987
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:31.679
<v Speaker 2>this case in the news and stuff.

988
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fair enough. Okay, Well, I think we're gonna go

989
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 1>eat some cheese and crackers and pickles and pick at

990
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:48.039
<v Speaker 1>cheese crack crackers and pickles, crack cheese cracking. No, definitely

991
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:51.199
<v Speaker 1>not that. We're gonna go eat some cheese, crackers and pickles.

992
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:56.280
<v Speaker 1>And to our friends in the United States of America,

993
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.679
<v Speaker 1>you got Thanksgiving coming up here for a couple of days.

994
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.480
<v Speaker 1>We want to wish you a very happy Thanksgiving. Yes,

995
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:06.800
<v Speaker 1>hopefully everyone out there is not too traumatized by this case.

996
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.719
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you sticking through to the end Part one

997
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.360
<v Speaker 1>in part two, if you want to check out our

998
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 1>social links, they're all in the description of the podcast.

999
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:16.960
<v Speaker 1>If you want to check out our other podcasts or

1000
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:20.880
<v Speaker 1>our sister podcast, if you will. Fearful Jacko hosts that

1001
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.039
<v Speaker 1>every Wednesday he comes out with a new episode. So

1002
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:25.639
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow he's got a new episode coming out. Just go

1003
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 1>check it out. Yeah, have you ever heard of the

1004
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Highway of Tears.

1005
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely have.

1006
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Jack was talking about that. Wow, so go

1007
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:38.119
<v Speaker 1>check it out. Yeah we're gonna beat cheese and crackers.

1008
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Now, h Yeah.

1009
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was worth it was worth staying for

1010
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.760
<v Speaker 2>this part two like this was. I mean, I'm I'm

1011
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:46.880
<v Speaker 2>glad I heard it, but I'm glad I didn't or

1012
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:49.119
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck I don't even I can't even speak.

1013
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.400
<v Speaker 2>So until next time, like we gotta go here.

1014
01:00:52.760 --> 01:01:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Until next time, stay wicked