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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion

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is advised. We got some one or something rolling around

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out here.

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Speaker 2: You see what it was?

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Speaker 1: Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't know.

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Speaker 2: I know that my underway came on and I did

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happened to Glenn be the thing running.

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Speaker 1: Across the good Bye man? Nothing looked by the men.

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I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience Podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore.

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Speaker 1: Always grounded in research and respect.

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Speaker 2: We've interviewed eye witnesses experts since skeptic like because understanding

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Bigfoot isn't just about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly

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two decades later, we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories.

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The search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Hello,

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get somebody out here, and good evening, everybody, Monday, November

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twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Turkey Week is upon us

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and we are excited for our Thanksgiving. I'm Sean FKA.

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That's Vance Nez, but he's James Baker. Three out of

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five aim bad tonight, and we're gonna have kind of

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an open mic off the cuff show tonight, calling it Bigfoot,

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Bears and Bosh as we're going to kind of talk

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about what's on our mind regarding what's you know, recent happening.

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So gentlemen, good evening and welcome.

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Speaker 1: Good to see.

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Speaker 2: I know it's been a couple of weeks since we

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last engaged, but we've all been incredibly busy doing one

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thing or another. Latest episode of Sasquatch Sasquatch Investigation Bigfoot

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on Small Town Monsters is out going on right now,

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which in this episode we introduced Jeff and Julie Anderson,

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Paul Bogden and other individuals that are out there on

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the quest for Bigfoot out in the Alleghany National Forest.

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So go over to Smalltown Monsters dot com or small

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Town Monsters dot com or small Town Monsters on YouTube

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and check it out. And Vance, I don't know if

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you've had a chance to watch it yet, but interested

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in here I have your opinions on.

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Speaker 1: That, Oh, I have, and I find it rather intriguing,

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and I think intriguing is the big point in all

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of this. I would kick this open mic show off

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with a couple of points regarding small town monsters. If

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our audience has not had a chance to go to

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Siege of Ape Canyon yet, I encourage you to do that.

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But there's a couple of points I want to bring

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up on that entire topic. It's a really good documentary

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and yeah, it's very good, and I would start with,

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you know, a great thank you to Mark Matsel who

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did a lot of investigating into what the encompassed of

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where the happen was built, where this whole situation happened at.

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Now there's five. There are five different I would say

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events that have happened in vintage Bigfoot. This is one

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of them. This story has always intrigued me and for

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Mark Masel to go out and he did eventually find

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some physical evidence of where the cabin where this event

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happened at. And I don't want to jump too far

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ahead because I don't want to ruin it. For anybody.

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But if you follow through with the story, these guys

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did not have a whole lot of cash dollars to

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their pocket to build something. As far as the cabin

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goes under Osha, you know, there was no foundation. Yeah, right,

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there was no foundation. There was minimal amount of hardware

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to put this cabin together. So when he did find

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nails and a saw blade and some binding wire or

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banding wire rather, that represented where this cabin may have been.

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I have five different points, and I want to throw

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four of them out there and maybe get yours and

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James' fifth interjection into my opinion. Sure, I would say

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that the siege, the Siege of Ape Canyon has an

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interesting aspect because of the fact of it's called Ape Canyon.

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Why that was never brought up in the documentary. I've

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watched it twice. It was never brought up in the

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documentary as to why it's referred to Ape Canyon. Now,

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like Boggy Creek for example, Boggy Creek, Well, that's understandable.

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Speaker 2: It was named Abe Canyon after the incident.

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these things, it's model does an ape, So you know,

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experience in what these gentlemen did have at that time.

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shelter for their equipment on the off season. I'm certain

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to the fact that they probably did not have every

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aspect of hardware to make this cabin last for years

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and years. Most likely not. I'm sure it was done

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on a minimal budget and it could have fallen down

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and rotted away. That makes sense. Mark Bncel in the

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documentary of Siege of a Canyon to come across the

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artifacts in which he did is extraor ramely profound to

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me that I think he did find where this cabin

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once stayed because it wasn't built on a foundation. I

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think it was just built as a shelter. I think

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we firmly agree that's the spot they found. I don't

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have any questions about that. And I think it.

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Speaker 2: Goes back to people with translatable skills. You know, Mark

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had experience as a surveyor and being able to take

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those and get roundabout ideas and use you know, logical

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thinking and deduction to come.

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Speaker 1: To the reasoning of where this place was.

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Speaker 2: I think is very you know, very critical as to

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why we we meet people with different backgrounds to join

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up into this field. This is a perfect example of that.

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you know, a lot of the intro introductory stories into

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the cascading and excitement a big foot, and they're able

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to put some more legitimacy to it. You know, you're

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talking about a canyon, ye get its name. You know,

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we go back to these threes and the genesis of

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all these things. I think it's great and we can

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actually prove that they were physical places that actually these

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things happened. And it's that in itself is you know,

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pretty slam dunk and I other than you know, probably

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naming it for something they experienced. You know, there's a

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lot of places vans that have names that I don't

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have these names that you know are probably named after

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some sort of experience that folks have had there. Or

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you know, there's some other places too that have some

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very negative names. I'm not going to say, but you know,

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just for you know, traditions at the time.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have Hey, I gotta interject here somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Say it again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if murdered, get murdered for wearing white after labored.

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Speaker 1: Sial, Mom, check it out. Then put your next point

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on that one. Well, my point is there's five vintage

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stories that I find very enthralling to reality to this effect,

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and I will leave the fifth one for the three

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of us to give at least our opinion of. One

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of them is Boggy Creek. Uh. You know, everything that

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happened at Boggy Creek. I find that very compelling and

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a lot of it true. The next one would be

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the Albert Ottsman story. I find that really and then

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I think that entire story with some film evidence, I

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find that very compelling and to be true. But I'll

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leave the fifth one up to you, guys, because I

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have my fifth. But I want to leave it up

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to you, too, guys, to throw what you think would

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be the fifth story to be the most compelling in

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a vintage Bigfoot story.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely go to the William Rowe encounter.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Probably also I would throw Ruby Creek in there. I

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would probably because I don't consider Boggy Creek to be vintage,

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because that's even still towards the middle of the century, right, seventies.

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Speaker 1: In the seventies, right, I consider that vintage, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know I should because of you know, my

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relation to the timeline. But when I think of that,

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I go back to William Rowe, Albert Ausman, these nineteen

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twenty to nineteen sixties stories, you know that really kind

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of set the stage for the big Foot mania that

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would follow. And we did a whole couple episodes on

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Ruby Creek of folks want to go back. It was

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our Monsterfest live show that we did where we really

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talked about the Ruby Creek incident. But then also again

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Albert Ousman, and there's a lot of contention on Albert Osman,

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did that really happen? I think that man, there's so

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much that was going on in that story. He had

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to be really bored to make that up and where

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: But where did he get that creative edge from? Because

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humans really aren't that creative. Yeah, you know, we take

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things that we learn and we observe and we kind

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of make them in the stories. Very rarely do we

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just pull a whole new idea out of the air

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Speaker 1: You know, like no, no, I totally get it right,

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Speaker 2: Perhaps, But I think for the core of it, the

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Osman situation really happened. You know, if we threw Boggy

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the Boggy Creek was an incredibly interesting area, definitely had

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some sort of cryptozoological situation going on, and I think

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it still perpetuates in that area today. I don't think

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I do too, because really, the folk monster, fouk monster

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has gone off anywhere. Patterson, Gimblin, I'm on the fence

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for for many different reasons. As soon as I want

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to dismiss it, something else comes in my way and

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wants to give me more credence. And I met Bob Gimblin.

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be the nicest guy and still be able to pull

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the wool over people's eyes. Has nothing to do with

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being nice.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, no, no, it's it's the initial gut reaction.

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Go ahead, James, what's that big?

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Speaker 3: But I think we've had this discussion a few times,

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and the fact is you have to look at it

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in a way that even if he lied, and Patterson lied,

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and everybody lied, and the horses lied, you know, and

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the video was made on a foreign studio next to

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the moon landing, whatever lies you want to go with

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at the end of the day, is that the only

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piece of evidence you have to hold to the theory Like,

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I've never seen the Locknest monster, but I also have

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talked to many people that are way smarter than me

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read all the books, looked into it and go, oh hey,

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it might be eels, or it might be a Leopleuridon,

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magic leop anyway, but they I just think that what

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the bigfoot thing. We always have these big conversations about

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whether whether this sighting was real or this sighting was real,

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of what other people saw, to kind of get a

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collective idea, and also to create, you know, to collect evidence.

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Like you and I say it all the time, Sean.

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You know, we may not have seen a deer on

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the land, but if I got hoof marks and droppings

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and my corn is eaten, I can put those together

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and say deer now with.

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Speaker 1: You can build the case. You could build a case

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from ancillary evidence like I got all this thing. You're

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Speaker 3: You've got to make sure that you don't go too

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white off. Oh hey, it's it's got to be this,

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or it's got to be that. No, no, no. You

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take the evidence and then from there you go, Okay,

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I know there's a deer within let's say five hundred yards. Okay,

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let's look around, get more evidence, and eventually you've got

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to get a point where they catch something that looks

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like a deer, or you've just been wasting five months

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of your time looking at a piece of land.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I want to show you something, Baker, just

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because you said evidence. And it was something that Matt

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had sent to me earlier today that he wanted us

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to go over before he, you know, needed to arrest

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his Sciattica. We hope Matt gets better here soon. And

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of course Henry's not here tonight because of really bad

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weather going on down in Mississippi, so we want our

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friends to be safe.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull he's getting some nasties. Yeah, they

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got some bad storm through tonight. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Potential nocturnal tornadoes from what I understand, yep, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nocturnal winded missions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you are kind of what you experienced in the

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middle of the night. Yes, I see that picture there.

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whole this was Why can't I get it to display

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in a great way? Why did it have to be

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a schmuck? Where are we? Let's get us back to

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a way. I have a schmuck too, But that's okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's where that nocturnal mis game.

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Speaker 2: Anyhow, if I could figure out to use this damn thing,

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this would be a picture. What's that look like to

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you guys? Clearly I see bear tracks in there, right,

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I can't make it out.

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Speaker 1: I just see I just see footprints of whatever sort.

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I can't make that out specifically.

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Speaker 2: But it's funny you say that, because that's the point

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what we clearly have here or overlays of bear tracks

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stepping into bear tracks, and how they make these you know,

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bigfoot like footprints, right and that and that happens and

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we start talking about things like that secondary evidence that

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we were just talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the rear foot falls into the fun foot. Yeah, understandable.

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Speaker 2: Of, you know, you can't prove a deer was there,

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because we could prove a deer was there because we

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have droppings, we have footprints, and we have sample. Right,

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there's a perfect example of somebody could say there was

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a bigfoot there, but de're just completely misinterpreting the the data.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Understandable.

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Speaker 4: And it's not saying that like I and I didn't

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realize that a deer is a stupid analogy in a way,

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but it's not because the fact is that we know

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deer exist.

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Speaker 3: You can go to you can go to a deer

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penning zoo, you can go to deer Ascic Park, which

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is a place there's help for. We didn't see any

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deer deer Ascic Park, which was weird. But we did

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see Meldrum before he passed. He we actually have certificates

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of him showing us how to make casts. It's one

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of my best.

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Speaker 1: Kurt makes a good point here with it.

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Speaker 2: But the fact is, you know, with all the people

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that say that people in suits are costumes, are kids

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out in the woods making those structures. That would be

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more amazed if that than actual bigfoot people are too

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lazy to do all that today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Kurt Hurt.

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Speaker 2: I think that is an apt I think maybe years

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ago people were a lot more venturous to go out

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and do things to hoax.

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Speaker 1: Now people are too freaking lazy to do it.

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Speaker 2: Lazy And he's got a he had commentary on that picture.

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I showed toes look like bear paws, but yeah, toes

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didn't look long enough. I would say double bear print. Yeah,

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and when you look at him there's actually a and

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I'll try to load it up. Oh shit, hit myself

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with the microphone. There's a long series of trails going

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through that which you could clearly see are our bear

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prints that are stepping into each other. But if you

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only saw the inlay of the of the feet stepping.

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Speaker 1: On one another, you could really you could. That could

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fool people. Oh sure, that could absolutely yep. I agree.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I would go back because I stated to you Sean

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and James, five vintage evidence stories, a vintage evidence stories,

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and I would throw the fifth one in to leave

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it up to you guys to throw what you thought

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your fifth one was. But I would say the Paul Freeman,

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the video footage from him.

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Speaker 2: What makes Freeman compelling for me is there goes right.

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I think there was some genuine reaction to that. And

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I spoke with Mike Freeman. And when you speak to

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a son who pretty much who pretty well knows his dad,

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he get an idea of what the man was like

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at him right right. There's a lot of questions as

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to some of Freeman's evidence, and that's a shameful thing

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because sometimes it does taint the overall, you know, image

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that somebody has the reputation of somebody. But I think

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at the whole what he brought us was legitimate, and

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I think that video is a solid video.

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Speaker 1: I really I do too. I think when he came

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across the footprints and was started to follow them, and

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his reaction and his gut reaction, and then when he

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actually saw the creature, I feel within my gut that

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that was a genuine reaction to something he experienced as real.

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Speaker 2: I think the problem is, as with a lot of

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these videos, people go in and take liberties. Oh it's

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lifting up a baby.

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, right right.

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Speaker 2: I don't start circle and I don't really care. What

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I start caring about is the ability to uh, you know,

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see the intentional object that's there in front of us

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that we can see and make out that I care about.

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And so can we get adding things to uh to

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videos to try to make them more credible? It actually

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just makes us seem more bullshit and crazy, right, I

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don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we need to talk about bears and bullshit.

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Speaker 3: You make a perfect example, is you know, with bears

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and with the other things. Is that the problem is

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is that it seems like we had a sighting of

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something very strange, and we go back to our dear story,

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but we had a sighting of very something strange. We

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may augment to what we remember and we talk amongst

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ourselves and we add little points, but we don't say, magically,

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an alien sucked up the body, you know. And a

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lot of that comes from people stop listening, right, or

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people stuff or us up getting calls for hey, can

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you do this conference? Hey can you do this conference?

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That's why a lot of when you said, like the

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five points of why you would believe in a supernatural

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creature or even a cryptid creature, the main reason I

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believe in a lot of these cryptid creatures have nothing

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to do with anything that happened before the eighteen hundreds

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or after the eighteen hundreds, because, honestly, when people thought

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you were crazy for seeing something in the woods, you

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didn't tell these stories to everybody, right, The Indians didn't

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tell the stories to everybody. They only tell the stories

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to something, to some of the passer bys, and hey,

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by the way, there's a strange creature in the woods.

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It's not negative.

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Speaker 1: They would share the tribe themselves, right right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Some of it. Yeah, they were poking at the white man,

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why not he sucks, you know, but not all of them,

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you know. And they weren't running around the woods with

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with well, they were running around woods with Deren bearhead,

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but that was a whole other problem. But they weren't

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running around the woods faking sightings for all the Pilgrims

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and ship like that. They were just living their life

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and going by the way. There's some other creatures that

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you might not be aware of that are out right too,

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you know, because we didn't know what Orne was until

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they explained it. Take a hike and wow, wow, you know,

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the other day I was going to get.

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Speaker 2: Deer tick ticks suck, no pun intended. I don't know

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about stone picker, but thanks for tuning in. Even if you're.

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Speaker 3: They're hard to find when they're on your butt. You

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would think would be easy because not looking for those ticks.

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Speaker 2: Larry said that I always thought the head looked a

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little smallish and round as it sits on the top

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of the shoulders. And you know, that's one thing I

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think that makes the The Freeman film a little different

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is it's proportions. It's a lot more barrel chested than

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the Patty creature.

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Speaker 1: Right, But again, let's take a look at the difference

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of sexuality between the two. Was one male and one female?

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That's we're not allowed to assume it's gender, well, but

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we should scientifically. Let's take a look at the gender.

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Speaker 2: Well, now, Patty had breasts. Yes, Now listen, listen, the

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I just did devil horns. Now we're going to be

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accused of something else. Listen, squash titt. The details not

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there enough to determine the gender of the Freeman creature, right,

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I mean it's it's VHS and it's pretty. The quality

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of it's.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's horrible, I get it. But you can still

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see the movement of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well listen, it's very large and lumbering. That's what

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makes that different than Patty.

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Speaker 1: Patty kind of lighted.

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Speaker 3: You notice if it had a slan.

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Speaker 2: Now, Patty had breasts, babe, if I there's no question

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about that. I think we can all agree that Patty

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had breast Yep, yep, did you say Patty long?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Good god, Wow, this is an adult show. The

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night or what to take a break here? Oh? No,

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you know, a couple of nuys.

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Speaker 2: Take the nights off and the show goes to the birds. Anyhow,

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we'll be back and just you know, a couple of

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minutes as I'm very confused and.

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Speaker 1: The brain damage, yeah, I get it, I'm brain damaged.

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Speaker 2: To Larry, Joe was chiming in. I think Freeman was

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a female too. Cliff went to the site and took

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measurements and Kurt h Patty, I think had breast and

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the muscled definition is why he thinks it's real and

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egg plant all right, and guys stay with us as

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we come back. Sasquatch experience. Sean Floker, Vince and has

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been James Acre. Right after this the big football Hoorn news.

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Speaker 1: Steve I Simb.

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Speaker 6: Tell my kids about Thanksgiving a couple of months ago

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and they're like, what's the deal with Thanksgiving? I'm like, oh, Thanksgiving.

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The Pilgrims going to America and they didn't know how

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to have any food or any place of lips to

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the Indians saw them how to hunt and farm and

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build houses. And my kids are like, wow, that's really

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nice of them. What happened to the Indians?

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Speaker 1: We got rid of them? Why did we do that?

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Speaker 6: Because they didn't any their vegetables?

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Speaker 1: Ah? Yes, well, happy day to you all. I hope

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this all finds you doing well and prepare yourself for

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those holiday leftovers so that you get a big belly.

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Speaking of big bellies, a statement was sent in from

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Texas and the statement goes as follows. My husband is

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a belly dump semi truck driver in Athens, Texas. He

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was on State Route twelve fifty three heading towards a

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four way stop in Garden Valley. As he was driving

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around ten am on November eighteenth. Oh, that wasn't long ago.

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It was a clear, sunny morning and he looked over

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into a clearing near a wooded area and saw a

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dark harry man or something about two hundred feet from

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the road walking at a steady pace with arms swaying

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beside its body. The creature was about six foot tall

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or maybe a little taller. My husband was driving at

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about sixty miles an hour, but slow enough to get

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a really good look whatever it was. He didn't tell

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anyone at work because people really don't believe in these sightings.

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He just told me. The sighting was in Smith County, Texas.

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The clearing had about three foot tall of dead grass

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and dense woods. As it joined the clearing area. He

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didn't see any clothes on this creature, and it didn't

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seem to have anything in its hands. Unfortunately, there were

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no other cars or trucks near the area. He asked

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himself many times if he really saw what he saw,

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but it was a clear day and he still can't

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believe it after almost fifty years over the road trucking.

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This is the strangest thing he had ever seen. Again,

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this is quite fascinating to be an only witness with

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no other vehicles in the area. I am not familiar

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with the area, but again, it's an interesting account. When

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we come back, let's go galactic.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the big football hunt right here on

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the Sasquatch Experience.

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again for listening to this edition of the Bigfoot Bullhorn

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right here on Anomalous Entertainment's Sasquatch Experience. And as James

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always says to Matt at the end of each show,

496
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until we meet again, keep your toe in the mind.

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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome. That was an interesting face to come

498
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back to, was it? Okay, kind of well, thank you

499
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Vance for the bigfoot bull horn this week. And while

500
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we were on break, you know, Kurt and the chat posted.

501
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,079
I wonder if they got any updates in the State

502
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College sighting. We wish they would have done it better

503
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in terms of just announcing it to the public. Most

504
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likely messed up the area, you know, Kurt, that's a

505
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,839
big problem that Matt and I have run into because

506
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when you start taking sightings and posting more precise locations,

507
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,079
they just get inundated with people wanting to go out

508
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there and being excited because there was a recent bigfoot siding.

509
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But it makes it harder for those of us that

510
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actually do investigate. And I drove through there about two

511
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and a half three weeks ago at this point, around

512
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the same time as the sighting, and you know, it's

513
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a busy road, it really is. So I again, I

514
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don't put a lot of validity into the siding, but

515
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it doesn't mean I'm going to write it off. Hopefully

516
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the folks that were driving the other vehicle, perhaps they

517
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come forward and hearing some of the because that that

518
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:06,440
article was shared so many times about these stories, that

519
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hopefully they come forward and if anybody else saw anything,

520
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,679
they can provide more detail. But that area we got

521
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activity reported to us earlier in the year, around the

522
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end of spring, beginning of summer. And I'm trying to

523
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recall that's why my eyes are closed. Are I didn't

524
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develop a palsy or anything.

525
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Speaker 1: And ah, damn it. We're gonna try to do more

526
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in that area. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I get leery only because of you know, how popular

528
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the area could become to people, like or is it

529
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worth it? Or do we let it settle for a

530
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little while and then come back a little later, right,

531
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And it's a fear I have that what we're doing

532
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with the A and F. You know, when we did

533
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anytime we do a show and we started talking about

534
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,599
these areas, we're going to. The A and F is

535
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an our area that's open to everybody, right, it's a

536
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national forest. And bigfooters do take their research areas a

537
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:08,920
little personally because they spend a lot of time and

538
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,639
cultivate these places. But it's a fear that I have

539
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,559
when we start talking about locations we're going that other

540
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,880
people might want to go, and you know, research demand

541
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up disturbing more than they're helping.

542
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's half.

543
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Speaker 5: A you know, right, go ahead, James, I would I

544
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would say is then what I would say is if

545
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some place became popular and you were worried about critical

546
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evidence currently excuse.

547
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Speaker 1: Me, I had it worked in there. I had to

548
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get rid of all my oh boy, we'll get rid

549
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of the post.

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Speaker 3: So I think that if you have an area that's

551
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critical to where you want to research, and you know

552
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,159
that it's a hotspot, like and for the next six

553
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,519
months it's going to be a hotspot, that's where you

554
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,920
kind of dive into the local legends and some of

555
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,880
the artifacts, some of the previous sightings and things like that.

556
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That way, then you have a base to kind of

557
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narrow down where you want to look while everybody else

558
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is trumping around.

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Speaker 2: Well, so we did that in clear Field, and we

560
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did that in the A and F exactly what you're

561
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talking about, and we were really able to kind of

562
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shelter our principal research areas away.

563
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Speaker 1: I just think it gets.

564
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Speaker 2: Harder and harder and harder to do with the technology

565
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,599
becoming better able to narrow down places and the context

566
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clues that we give when we do these things, that

567
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it you know, we just start making those We're instead

568
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,559
of having a wide net we've cast over this area,

569
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we're starting to make it a lot easier. So I

570
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,079
don't know, it's the catch twenty two. Because we want

571
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to get that information out there, we want to share

572
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it with people. We want people to be excited about

573
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the continuing mystery and let people know that there's activity

574
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happening and going on. The church is happening. But at

575
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the same time, are we hurting ourselves in the process.

576
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Probably probably we are.

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Speaker 1: Well, unless you come across some solid evidence, you know,

578
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which is possible. It's possible you can find some amazing

579
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evidence in that area. Describe to our listeners.

580
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Speaker 2: What you mean by a n F the Allegheny National Forest, Okay,

581
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and that's a National forest and you know northern tier

582
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:40,320
Pennsylvania and upstate New York. It is gorgeous, absolutely stunning,

583
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,199
and it's just an area of a lot of activity

584
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:49,639
and it's not a sex You're not gonna The problem

585
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,119
is to get to the areas that we go to,

586
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,000
you really need to know the A and F. So

587
00:37:55,519 --> 00:38:02,159
do I really do I really think that you know

588
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we're we're going to get a giveaway our honey holes. No,

589
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I just think we're going to make it easier for

590
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them to potentially be found.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm occurred.

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Speaker 2: I didn't take that at all from what you said. Sorry,

593
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I talk a lot sometimes I don't mean to take

594
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when wean to get your guys a show. No, no, no,

595
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I think that I love the dialogue around it because

596
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I think you bring up some really good points there,

597
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And uh, it's a concern I've always had and Vance

598
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,000
and Baker, I've said it on this show probably a

599
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,480
hundred times now. We've created the world's greatest guides to hoking,

600
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,639
hoking hooking, and uh, it's it's it's the risk you

601
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,519
take when you're doing shows like this to put the

602
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:48,039
information out there right, no way around it, and all

603
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:50,239
of us that do podcasts are guilty of. But unless

604
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,599
you're just those shows that talk about scary made up

605
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,079
bigfoot encounters but.

606
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Speaker 1: Even a blind squirrel finds and.

607
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Speaker 2: Nun't think they do. But that's okay. I think they

608
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,719
bring interest into the subject. I don't think they give

609
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,639
a realistic idea of what big footings like or what

610
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,400
the creature could potentially be like. I think it does

611
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,320
a lot to enhance fear, which sells horror cells. Yes,

612
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and that's that's what their purpose is. Cheap clicks.

613
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Speaker 3: Right, It's like ghost hunters and things like that. A

614
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,639
lot of that has to do with how tight the

615
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,719
shirt you can get on the curl and how high

616
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,000
she can scream. Good personnel, what your ratings are. But

617
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the fact is, though, is wow, they show a lot

618
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of stuff that if somebody make a ghost sighting, even

619
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though you know it's basked. I loved Mountain Monsters, but

620
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,280
we all knew they were making stuff up as they went.

621
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I mean, they would admit.

622
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: To it, you know.

623
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Speaker 3: I mean, you need to tell me that the man right, Yes,

624
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:56,480
But but the thing is is that they knew it.

625
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,239
They took it at that camp. But at the same

626
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,599
time is if you watch the shows, they were smart men.

627
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,079
They knew stuff and they showed you different things. It's

628
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,880
like I watch a lot of these videos like Fat

629
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,440
Guys in the Woods, Mountain Monsters, a lot of these

630
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,159
are they teach you stuff. Oh my god, we need

631
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,639
money for that, and Fat Guys in the Wood that

632
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,480
was us you me?

633
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: And at first I guess I would ask, right, I

634
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guess I would ask. Then on that comment, what shows

635
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,239
have been put out there that are the most reliable

636
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:42,000
or most believable?

637
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: Oh, Alaskan Killer Bigfoot? Okay, I couldn't even say that

638
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,639
with a straight face.

639
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: You're kidding me. You know, Finding Bigfoot tried, and I

640
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,159
think they.

641
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: What they do a million dollars was probably different than

642
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,480
how it was edited too, Do you know what I'm saying. Yes,

643
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,719
Like editing goes into a lot of it, and that's

644
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,239
not necessarily under control the.

645
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Speaker 1: People that are filming this stuff, right, right, or the

646
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,760
intention of those that are putting the project together. Right?

647
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:17,760
I agree?

648
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,679
Speaker 2: I think there was some Yeah. No, I think Finding

649
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:28,239
Bigfoot was really good. Monster Quest was skirted that infotainment line,

650
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:32,039
right because they talked about a lot of different topics

651
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,880
through monster Quests. But the Bigfoot episodes were pretty top

652
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,719
notch and they just kind of retold the stories.

653
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:44,119
Speaker 1: You know, I would say on the Monster Quest the

654
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,199
aspect of the episode, I don't remember what the episode

655
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,760
was called that involved doctor Meldrum when the rocks are

656
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,599
being thrown at the cabin up in Canada. Yes, yeah, attack,

657
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,719
I think is what it was. Yeah. Yeah, that had

658
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,360
a lot of credibility to it. We were talking to

659
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,480
Doug Haischik about Snowgrove Lake and.

660
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: We were talking to I believe so, Bake. I think

661
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,280
you and I were talking to Meldrum off.

662
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: We weren't.

663
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: We were just at an event somewhere. We were just

664
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standing off to the side talking to doctor Meldrim about

665
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:19,840
snow Grove.

666
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: Lake and still amazing.

667
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,119
Speaker 1: Man. You have to.

668
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: You know that area is more remote than people realize.

669
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,079
And I know there's people saying, well, there's another village

670
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so and so far away.

671
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:38,039
Speaker 1: Great, okay, yeah village what three? Yeah, Okay, that's fine.

672
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,599
What's the likelihood of them coming out there for rocks

673
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:41,559
at somebody? And why?

674
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,119
Speaker 2: Right?

675
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: You also have to recognize the oh sorry, this one's right.

676
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Speaker 1: Up your alley, James. I honestly don't know the best one.

677
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,639
Speaker 2: Did you guys ever watch The Naked and Afraid where

678
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:56,920
they found a cowie nest and had to sign where

679
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,920
they were around so not to sign where they were

680
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,800
aren't around to say anything about it. I did not

681
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,360
see that one, but Vance and Baker, you guys seem

682
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,400
to know about that one a little bit.

683
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,159
Speaker 1: I heard about it. I don't believe I watched it

684
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,480
the entire episode.

685
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was not familiar with that. But Naked

686
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,559
and Afraid is a good show. Alone is another good one.

687
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,159
Speaker 3: Alone is good and alone though alone is another one

688
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:28,119
of those shows that teaches you things, right because like

689
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,760
they make a cabin at enughing. You know, I had,

690
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,760
I had an axe and some sticks and I've a

691
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:39,639
you know, a four story summer home.

692
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

693
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: Well, and again I think it goes into you know,

694
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,199
finding that any show like that that gives you a

695
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,880
perspective of the outdoors, I think is imperative to watch.

696
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,920
Even though they do get an idea of a little

697
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,760
sensationalized uh that, you do get a lot of information

698
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,320
from them.

699
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: It does.

700
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: It does keep your ass in the seat, You're right,

701
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,079
But I think it also gives you a good information

702
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,960
too and makes it interesting. And I'll tell you I've

703
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:10,199
learned so much, uh, you know, watching shows about bears

704
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,920
and other animals. That has built my confidence being out

705
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,840
in the woods. Uh, you know quite a bit. I know,

706
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,960
somebody just put in there, you know, go for a hike.

707
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,360
We spend more time out in the woods than you realize.

708
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,920
Pal Uh, don't let the fat fool you. We also

709
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,440
like barbecue, so that's the other downpoint.

710
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: But you know, building my.

711
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: Comfort up around yeah, is done from learning about known animals.

712
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,760
Like we jokingly talk about rattle snakes, and I had

713
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,480
a paralyzing fear of snakes.

714
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: And you still do ye, You've still gotten over it

715
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,400
for the most and.

716
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: You know, how you educate yourself and learn more about

717
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,920
the animals and why they react the way they do,

718
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,400
you start getting a little bit more comfortable with the

719
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:03,239
idea of them sharing. You know, you sharing their space

720
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,280
because you're invading their territory and you respect them and

721
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,519
leave them alone and don't poke and prod at them.

722
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,360
You're probably going to be left alone. So anytime you

723
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,400
can immerse yourself with something natural or learning about the

724
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,880
natural world, I think as a win. When there's an

725
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:22,400
entertainment aspect to it, you have to question a lot

726
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,719
of it, but I still think it's the Merit is

727
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,079
worth watching. But then it leads you into other things,

728
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,000
like I just picked up this book ouch that was

729
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:39,519
a chair because Baker was watching some of them. Baker

730
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:44,960
was following a guy on social media and we asked

731
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,559
him to come on the show and he said, it's

732
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:50,039
not really what he does, but I ended up buying

733
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:55,199
his book called Essential Wilderness Navigation, How to learn to

734
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,559
navigate without all these tools and everything.

735
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,679
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a sciety element there. And this

736
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,119
is just.

737
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: Networking with other outdoors people. So anytime we can connect

738
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,880
and bring somebody into this world and take something we're learning,

739
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,639
that's a win. And it doesn't have to be just

740
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,239
cryptozoological related. It could be any kind of science or

741
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:22,400
natural exploration, right, exploration that helps bring us along.

742
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:29,519
Speaker 1: Right. Well, No, that's very helpful, you know. And I've

743
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:34,400
learned a lot from my eldest brother, who taught me

744
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,599
a lot because he spends so much more time in

745
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,320
the wilderness than I did. And it's called wisdom. You

746
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,800
spend enough time in that area, or in any wilderness area,

747
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,880
you start to gather information what to do and what

748
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,800
not to do, and then that information gets passed on

749
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,679
to a younger generation like myself. And then I picked

750
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,800
that up, and I pick up wisdom of other things. Two,

751
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:09,000
you know, stay away from So go ahead, bake.

752
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,079
Speaker 3: You were going to say something there, well, vans bankes

753
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:16,599
h A great point is we used to sell cameras

754
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:18,760
to people and people will always say I'm too old

755
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,119
to learn the technology. I'm too old to do this, right,

756
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:22,760
I just don't want to. I said, okay, what do

757
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,199
you want to do? And then they want to, Oh,

758
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,280
they want to go out in the woods and find Bigfoot. Okay,

759
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,960
first let's start with go out in the woods about

760
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,440
the things like that. And the thing is is but

761
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:36,400
here's the thing. What happens is is you go out

762
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,960
in the woods and and this happened to me, and

763
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,159
this happened to Sean when we when we got land.

764
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,000
Was you realize that it opens up questions like okay,

765
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:48,920
I noticed there's a track here, what kind of animal

766
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,079
could this? Then you start learning about deer and bear.

767
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,239
Then that answers other questions, and then you look across

768
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,960
the thing like we we were hearing voices, not the

769
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,519
ones in my head, but real voices. Well we thought

770
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:05,400
they were real, and so we tried. We couldn't figure

771
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,320
out where they were coming from. So over the next

772
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,199
two weeks, me and him independently are like learning about

773
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,119
how voices project, where they could come from in different angles.

774
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,880
And then the next time we heard the voice, go

775
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:18,840
all right, man, we know it's not coming from over

776
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,400
here because the reflections from over there and it could

777
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,599
be that lady down the block down there, because it

778
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,639
could have cared. But we knew individual things about voices

779
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,039
and different kinds of way people communicate. And then we

780
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,480
found out there was an old Indian there was an

781
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,159
Indian battle site right where my land is that the

782
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,599
local college had been doing it. But we learned all

783
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:44,639
these individual things. Was started with let's get some land

784
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,519
and do you know and makes it?

785
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,159
Speaker 1: Yeah? You compile all that information together right right? Well,

786
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,039
and again we know and.

787
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: Instead of jumping to conclusions, we researched and eliminated what

788
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,960
it could be. Right And now, I mean, you know,

789
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,440
the creepy thing about is we were standing there, he

790
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,519
and I were in two different areas of the land,

791
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:12,079
and we were hearing what we thought was chatter and

792
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,199
we couldn't identify what was coming from. And so after

793
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,519
weeks and weeks of this, you know, he comes up, Hey,

794
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:20,760
by the way, this is what I just son of

795
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,679
a bitch like it?

796
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 5: You know it.

797
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 3: We narrated where it wasn't We narrated what it couldn't

798
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,760
have been. We realized you couldn't have been this. We

799
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,800
were at one end of the land, at one point

800
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,039
and we heard this large whatever and we're like, what

801
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:35,440
is that?

802
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: Was that?

803
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 3: Then we walked over and there were trees that are

804
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,760
of the tree just fell over, and I said, okay, well, okay,

805
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,960
that's a that's nature taking its course, or it's just.

806
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,559
Speaker 1: Fell out of the tree. The yard of deduction.

807
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: Yes, chestnut hit chestnut hit a metal roof, you know.

808
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,360
Like but you the more like mister hiker guy, the

809
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,440
more you're out there, the more you are susceptible to

810
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:06,360
hearing and seeing things are true because you have a

811
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,760
knowledge of what's false.

812
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,559
Speaker 2: How many times people think that there's stuff being thrown

813
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,159
at them, but it's really just stuff falling out of

814
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:16,039
a tree. Yeah, well I had stuff thrown at me

815
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,400
and it didn't just fall out of a tree.

816
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:24,679
Speaker 1: So I have used on that, right I did. And

817
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,719
you know what, it didn't come from It didn't come immediately.

818
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:33,000
It came years later. And that's the thing as to

819
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,639
what happened with my brother and myself. You know, we

820
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,719
had pine cones thrown at us and we were in

821
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,280
a clear fire break. We were in the center of

822
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,719
a fire break and we had stuff thrown at it.

823
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,800
And I'll go through that story some other point. But

824
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:56,639
what we heard sounded like a t rex romping through

825
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,760
the forest. And then have these pine cones, you know,

826
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,920
those pine cones that are not fully exposed yet. They're

827
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:06,639
like a cigar. They look like a turd. Yes, they

828
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:08,559
look like a And one was thrown at me, and

829
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:11,000
one was thrown at my brother. The one that was

830
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:12,639
thrown at my brother hit them in the back of

831
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,559
the head. The one that was thrown at me flew

832
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,280
over my head. But that did not fall from trees

833
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:23,199
from above us. It just did not. And I knew

834
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,519
nothing about this subject at the time. Well nothing.

835
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: If we can't get a guest for the next show,

836
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,000
I think that's worth the merit of us talking about

837
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,519
our strange encounters, because I think we've had some interesting

838
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,400
things happen out there that, you know, we don't really

839
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,239
associate with bigfoot or could be Bigfoot that we just

840
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,159
didn't talk about.

841
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:49,679
Speaker 1: I've got turd coats. I had a friend of mine

842
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,719
they called them egg tones. I'm like, an egg cone,

843
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,360
what is that?

844
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:55,119
Speaker 3: Anybody?

845
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 5: You mean?

846
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: An egg corn and a pine cone? Buddy Jimmy over

847
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:06,400
at oh boy, oh boy, turd cones? Yeap.

848
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 3: So let's take a piece of evidence that a lot

849
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,199
of people say it's not plausible. How can an animal

850
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,199
move through the woods one hundred yards or even at

851
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:18,440
a quarter a mile without making a lot of sound

852
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:21,639
and no one noticing. I will give you a perfect example.

853
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,119
I was digging a hole four feet by six feet

854
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:32,480
buddy liner in a classic liner in for a pawd. Okay,

855
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,559
I'm sweating, I'm moving dirt. I'm a fat guy at

856
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:39,760
like almost dying, but need to get it done because

857
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,480
nobody else is helping me. Because my other friend was

858
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:48,440
his days are different. Now, Okay, I had three deer

859
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:51,960
in my vicinity. One of them was standing over my shoulder.

860
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:55,599
The other two were at the other end. They chose

861
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,880
to move in a certain way for me to hear them,

862
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,840
but I never heard them creep up on me. That

863
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:03,880
was making I guess I was making reasonable noise, but

864
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,119
it wasn't whatever. But the thing is, no, you're natural

865
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:11,480
right when you're not trying to focus on the quiet,

866
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,239
these things could sneak up on you anywhere. That's like

867
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,719
they always talk about predators like lions and type.

868
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: Right, how did nobody see you?

869
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: You just tiger come at you? Because it knows how

870
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,000
to move when you're not attention.

871
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:31,599
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, And Baker, you hit the nail on the head.

872
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: How many times have we just been there and all

873
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,079
of a sudden we look up and there's another animal.

874
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,840
There's a deer, there's a fox, there's something standing there

875
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,760
that wasn't there a little while ago.

876
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,159
Speaker 1: Now I didn't hear it. Hell, bears can move and

877
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,639
not make a hell of a lot of noise. No, no,

878
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:51,119
I totally agree.

879
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't really realize something's there until it's right

880
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:56,559
up on you, and then you've got I.

881
00:53:56,599 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: Had a bear comb up on me up in on Terror, Canada.

882
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,960
I didn't see it until it was standing no more

883
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,079
than eight feet in front of me and stood up

884
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:11,360
on inside legs. I didn't hear it approaching me, not

885
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:14,800
at all. And here it comes up standing at I

886
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,400
was like, oh crap, and all I've got to defend

887
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,880
myself is my car keys. That was it.

888
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: I've got this story that when Matt and I were

889
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,880
up in Elk County and we're driving through the research

890
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,719
area and we happened to drive by and I thought

891
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,039
I saw a glimpse of something large and hairy standing

892
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,239
alongside the road and I said, holy shit, what was that?

893
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,480
And then we backed up and there were seven elk

894
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,159
standing there right like if I hadn't just caught that

895
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,400
out of my peripheral like we.

896
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Drove, yeah, you would have never known. We were right

897
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,159
there in the clearing man and so.

898
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 2: And I've got great and I don't let the glasses

899
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,800
for you, like you know, Matt calls me eagle eye

900
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,920
because I've got a good eye for picking stuff up.

901
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,559
We were just so ingrained in what we were doing

902
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:02,159
and having conversation. It didn't catch us.

903
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:04,559
Speaker 3: Uh, you know it.

904
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: We didn't catch it. And so that stuff happens more

905
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,880
often than than not.

906
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,039
Speaker 4: Uh.

907
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:16,679
Speaker 2: And it's just one more of those natural phenomenas, like

908
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:22,199
there's so much bake that leads credence to this creature

909
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:27,480
aside from sightings being a realistic animal, and the behaviors

910
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:32,559
of it aren't necessarily any different than known animals that

911
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:33,760
are that are out there now.

912
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,599
Speaker 3: Mm hm. I guess the best way would be to

913
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,320
test that theory would be is you'd have to find

914
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,119
somebody like Jane Goodall, Oh, I mean, somebody alive, but

915
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,760
you know, have to pick some And that's why I

916
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,000
used to love Meldrum and some of the other ones.

917
00:55:55,159 --> 00:56:01,639
Is they studied apes because when they found was is

918
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:06,239
could an ape move one hundred yards and nobody noticed?

919
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Yes? And this.

920
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,199
Speaker 3: Could what you're thinking, And then you study that because

921
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,559
you can see that. You know, if you if you

922
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,559
think it's a large lizard, look at small lizards and see,

923
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,599
you know, just double the recipe.

924
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: I guess you know, Kurt posted.

925
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: Every time I think of cryptids or ets, I think

926
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,679
about how they move and not make any noise, but

927
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,760
the cloaking and the eyes, I always think we're they

928
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,679
were telling us something like in the Predator movies. Listen,

929
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:38,639
and we're starting to get accounts of this thing that

930
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:41,639
lawn Strickler is calling the shimmer.

931
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: Man, of these.

932
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:50,159
Speaker 2: Kind of cloaked beings that people are seeing out in

933
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,280
the out in the wilderness. I don't know how much

934
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,440
art to put into it, but folks are starting to

935
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:59,199
observe this phenomena. You know, again, is that something that's

936
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,079
paranormal or is that something that has an ability to

937
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:05,159
really blend in with this environment. We were talking to

938
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,360
somebody not long ago and they were, you know, the

939
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:13,239
hairs and the translucent hair follicles, right, that was something

940
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,239
that is something we need to study and look into

941
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,280
more unnaturally.

942
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that at some point in a

943
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:25,800
future show, I think, so. I agree, But I think

944
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,760
that's pretty much wind us up to the night. Any

945
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,000
final thoughts from you, guys, Hey, we're almost burned through

946
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:35,039
this hour. Wow, that was fast.

947
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,039
Speaker 2: I said it was bigfoot and bullshit and bears, and

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we talked about all three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't talk much about bears, but you know,

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we'll talk about the polar bear that the hairs are

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The hairs on a polar bear are actually translucent and

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its skin is actually black. But that's what helps it

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to survive. So there you go. See, animals have incredible

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abilities to survive in their environments, and they can move, uh,

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rather silently. You might have a bear with a very

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large paw, but I'm sorry, but the larger the paw,

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the quieter it can move. Well.

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Speaker 3: However, here a lot of the stories, the guy didn't

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see the bar till he's up on top of it.

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Then you're at a disadvant I don't care if you're

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caring commando with.

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Speaker 1: A commando knife, going commando.

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Speaker 3: Ship myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, right, folks. On that note, I want

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to thank you all for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, thank you everyone. That's Vance Nesbitt, He's James Baker. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Again, we want to thank h you guys for tuning in.

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We wish Vance or we wish Henry and uh Matt

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Matt Erner to get better, ask some luck, and to

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be safe and we will see you guys in two weeks.

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Thanks for listening to us Babylon the night. Enjoy your turkey, Babylon,

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I know that place.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy yourselves this week. Be safe. I have a wonderful

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thanksgiving everyone, and keep on.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you're that sucker out because when you go

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reaching up for them giblets, if it's frozen, it should.

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Speaker 1: Have it should have been.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you should be there. You should have been putting

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that turkey in the fridge yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, you learn a lot when you try to

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put your hand up the fridgeid crevice.

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Speaker 1: And don't forget.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience. Please rate and

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review wherever this podcast is consumed. For more information, please.

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Speaker 1: Go to our website, Sasquatch Experience dot com. Keep on spatching,